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Slow & Steady Edition

>News
30/08/2025 : Blizzard is taking legal action against Turtle. This doesn't stop the server, but it may impact some individuals working for Turtle under US jurisdiction ( https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127.1.0.pdf )
17/08/2025 : Turtle's new realm Ambershire is out along Epoch's Kezan, Gurubashi and Menethil!
15/08/2025 : Turtle Wow has just released 3 zones, 2 leveling dungeons, MC extension and bosses changes, new items and updated loot. Updated classes, rated PvP arenas and more!

>Released Servers ranked by current global popularity
Turtle WoW - https://turtle-wow.org (Vanilla+)
Project Epoch - https://www.project-epoch.net/ (Vanilla+)
Warmane - https://www.warmane.com/ (TBC, WOTLK, MoP)
Ascension - https://ascension.gg/en (Classless, Reborn Classic+, Custom Classes/CoA, Epoch)
Tauri - https://tauriwow.com (MoP, pre-patch and WoD areas in near future)
Mistblade 3 (Sheilun) - https://stormforge.gg/en (MOP Progressive)
Chromiecraft - https://www.chromiecraft.com/en/ (PVE, progressive)
Netherwing - https://stormforge.gg/en (TBC Progressive)

>Guilds
To join a guild, type /who g-"Guild Name" to see who's online, and whisper anyone for an invite once you're above level 5.
<Evil> - Turtle WoW, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /wpsg/'s guild
<Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /heals/'s guild (ERP) >>>/trash/heals
<Full Moon Company> - Turtle WoW, Nordanaar realm, crossfaction
<Totally Nice Dudes> - Bronzebeard+, Ascension, whisper Kott

>Turtle
All Turtle addons (copy & paste github links on the launcher) - https://turtle-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Addons
Misc - https://database.turtle-wow.org | https://talents.turtle-wow.org | https://twow.link/classchanges | https://turtle-timer.vercel.app

>Mods, Tutorials and /wpsg/ Creations
https://pastebin.com/4Awe3bxX

>Previous Thread
>>537786198
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tvrtle won
POChie lost
blizzkeks lost
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Tauri. WoD on the 30th of September. Join now.
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>>537916309
Asmongold reacting to Bellular reacting to us next
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There's too much soulful content and genuine humans on Turtle, I'm going back to retail
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Bronzie!
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>>537917486
I want to try Turtle WoW but im fearful of Vanilla because most classes were simple 1/2/3 spell spam
Is it the same on Turtle or did they actually overhaul the classes so i dont fall asleep when playing?
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>>537918505
you should go back to retoilet where you belong, micktouirist
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>>537918614
Im not a tourist and im not going back to that stinking pile of dogshit you fucking retard, stop seething already
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>>537918706
You are a tourist, go back.
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Turtle or Epoch?
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>>537918505
There's some new spells here and there to make it fresh but the gameplay will feel the same, might not be for you if you think it's boring. What classes are you interested in?
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>>537918378
BBC+!!!
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>>537918848
Priest>Rogue>Hunter>Warrior
In that order
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>>537918790
if you are brown and like to play with americans epoch
if you are european and hate americans turtle
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>>537918790
New Turtle zones:
-Lvl 1-10 Thalassian Highlands (High Elf starting zone)
-Lvl 1-10 Blackstone Island (Goblin starting zone)
-Lvl 28-34 Northwind
-Lvl 29-34 Balor
-Lvl 33-38 Grim Reaches
-Lvl 39-46 Gilneas
-Lvl 48-53 Lapidis Isle
-Lvl 48-53 Gillijim's Isle
-Lvl 54-60 Tel'Abim
-Lvl 58-60 Hyjal
New Epoch zones:
-

New Turtle dungeons:
-Lvl 25-34 Dragonmaw Retreat in Grim Reaches
-Lvl 34-39 Crescent Grove in Ashenvale
-Lvl 35-41 Stormwrought Ruins in Balor
-Lvl 43-49 Gilneas City in Gilneas
-Lvl 48-56 Hateforge Quarry in Burning Steppes
-Lvl 60 Caverns of Time: Black Morass in Tanaris
-Lvl 60 Stormwind Vault in Stormwind
-Lvl 60 Karazhan Crypt in Deadwind Pass
New Epoch dungeons:
-Lvl 39-44 Glittermurk Mines in Stranglethorn Vale
-Lvl 57-60 Baradin Hold in Tol Barad

New Turtle raids:
-40 players: Emerald Sanctum in Hyjal
-10 players: Lower Karazhan Halls in Deadwind Pass
-40 players: Tower of Karazhan in Deadwind Pass
New Epoch raids:
-
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>>537918337
retail (non classic) is unplayable for a new character
your character isnt given appropriate gear and you cant fight anything lmao
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can someone post the webm of that retarded orc warrior attacking a priest and failing horribly, i think it was from the classic era kek

i need it for reasearch purposes
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>>537918505
its the original wow tab target mmo from 20 years ago
its all been mathed out and all fun has been optimized out of all raiding groups
theres literally no reason to play unless youre mentally ill or a tranny
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>epoop
at least you get TBC talents
lol
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>>537920203
You get TBC talents (half of them are bugged tho)
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>>537920475
You get TBC talents (except for random wrath abilities for the dev's pet classes)
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>>537920203
I'm still baffled they used TBC instead of WotLK as base.
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>>537919097
You'll get a ton of tweaks to spells and talent trees but it'll be the same flavor as vanilla, you can read there most of the changes, it was the biggest class changes patch https://forum.turtle-wow.org/viewtopic.php?p=102974
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>>537919324
are the two original epoch dungeons actually good?
all I hear about are the VC and WC reduxes but nothing about Glittermurk.
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>>537921785
glittermurk is literally every cave .wmo in the game stitched together and called a dungeon
im serious
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God, i want to matepress impregnate Shenna so hard.
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I DAB ON TURTLETRANNIES FUCKING GRAVES!
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why is alex browsing here
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>>537922065
how is /epog/ defending this???
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It's over boys public is against us.
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>>537922604
because he was right
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>>537922604
because what else is he gonna do while he lives in his broken down trailer stuck in a walmart parking lot while he leeches wifi?
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>>537922716
something something shenna something something i love gargling blizzards shit something something banned from twow
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>>537923248
Shenna...
He won...
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>>537922716
because it’s full of people disgruntled about turtle and are desperate for an alternative
say anything mildly critical about Epoch and you just get dogpiled on
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flying from theramore to astranaar on turtle is like 15 minutes good fucking god this is so long with too many out-of-the-way routes
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>>537919324
Trolls got a new starting zone and i assume gnomes did so, turtle added some gnomer zone as well where you can quest
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need more tanks for BM :)
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>>537919097
Can only comment on Rogue. PVE rogue is pretty braindead. With my spec (Assassin), you maintain Slice & Dice and Envenom, spam Noxious Assault (generator) and, try to keep 4-5 pt Rupture up on bosses. If you get tons of energy and have 5 combo points without a need to refresh anything, you press Eviscerate, but that's not gonna happen until high gear and a respec to deep combat, if ever. In dungeons you might use distract to keep a pat at bay or blind something if shit's getting a bit sketchy. Combat is probably Backstab/SS instead of Noxious Assault with no envenom but otherwise the same. Combat does get Surprise Attack to hit on proc, but I don't even know if it's good.
PVP rogue obviously has a bit more depth.
Anyway, it ultimately doesn't play that differently from normal vanilla rogue if you've played it before.
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>>537923739
same as in classic wow, try to snatch the azshara flight point next time
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>>537923936
rapebait
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Any servers besides Turtle running on the vanilla client?
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i love purple women so much bros
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>>537922721
Finally the stupid grifting fuck will do something worth justifying his existence.
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>>537922721
I watched some of the video and skimmed the rest earlier when I was waking up. He wasn't shitting on Turtle and had some positive things to say about it while most of the video had more of a "this is what's happening" tone. The comments were mostly either pro-Turtle or anti-Blizzard. I don't think those votes mean what you purport them to mean.
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>>537922721
>trust me bro Classic+ two more years
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I just visited the goblin starter zone on turtle
Why did they cut down the trees?
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>>537925585
>why did the goblins turn a nice island into a desolate mined out wasteland
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>>537924941
>>537925359
we have 30 years of top tier night elf art and your stupid brown ass is posting shitty aislop
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>>537925178
Watch the second half then.
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what does the Horde even need all that lumber for?
you never see the Alliance chopping down whole forests and their infrastructure is 10x more advanced
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>>537925689
aislop mogs
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I think I might have a problem. I really, really like my draenei.
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>>537926037
i already assumed youre brown no need to tell it to me again
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>>537925910
totems
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>>537924941
go to bed Ellinna
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>>537925585
Make a goblin and you'll know :^)
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>>537923936
Does she taunt her enemies by pulling aside her panties and getting gangbanged by them?
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>>537925359
>>537924941
being an orc must be so fucking based bros
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>>537925804
I caught enough of it, anon.
>Turtle put themselves in the crosshairs by advertising, boasting their player count, and having a cash shop
>Turtle broke the law and infringed on Blizzard's IP and wouldn't be the same if it didn't use Blizzard's IP
>It's Blizzard's fault for not making their own Classic+, and fan projects should be supported, but Turtle is monetized, and that's fucking them
>Hitting Turtle is probably Bliz gearing up for official Classic+
Yes, so negative. It's not like these are either exactly the case or almost certainly true (official Classic+ inc).
I love Turtle, but it's an obviously risky move to advertise your infringing work, and it's obviously risky to involve monetization. Everyone knew this. There's a 0% chance the people in charge of Turtle weren't aware this day would be more likely to come when they chose to act.
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>>537926037
to be fair if you jack off to drawings drawn by men thats pretty gay so i for one welcome our new ai overlords where we can have non gay hentai now
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>>537926037
>>537925359
>>537924941
do people find this attractive?
or am i gay? i am a sex addict so i dont think so
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>>537926835
You're a fag
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>>537926125
im white
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Lapdogs! All of you!
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>They almost look like elves. But they are far too tall, and far too savage. -Grom Hellscream
I miss old Night elves
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so you hate niggers but have no qualms about copyright theft, so if you made your own game and started it up and someone suddenly stole it and marketed as his own you would have no problems yes?
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>entertain my pilpul
No lmao.
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>>537927243
Who are you even talking to
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>>537927243
>if you made your own game and started it up and someone suddenly stole it and marketed as his own you would have no problems yes?
making games isn't a real job
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>>537926835
>do people find this attractive?
yes
>or am i gay?
probably
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>>537927430
>>537926945
>>537926907
exaggerated proportions are not hot, they are infantile and bereft of erotica

you guys are the bottom of the barrel, a caste lower than slaves, you belong in platos cave for all eternity
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>>537927243
I've never seen Turtle team savagely assaulting people, stealing from everything and everyone, raping and killing people
Stealing from Blizzard is fine. They have no idea what they're doing with their IP. Warcraft has been a prisoner of nuBlizzard for years now being butchered with every passing year
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>>537926835
>>537927648
>people
>you guys
It's just one autistic tranny dumping his folder every thread.
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>>537926945
american white
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>>537927648
>stop liking what i don't like
you have autism
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>Turtle Pally lv 37
Should I do Stranglethorn, Swamp of Sorrows or grind Scarlet Monastery until early-mid 40s?

Haven't been to SoS or SM yet (new-ish player).
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american whites are the best race on the planet
any seething in response to this post was typed with brown hands
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>>537925689
What about orclsop?
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>>537928178
>>>/vg/epog
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>>537928184
swamp has that new alliance hub you could check out
strangle is good for making money
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>>537928315
infinitely hotter than>>537928178
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>>537919324
Turtle has years of development
Epoch just came out

There's a high chance Turtle's development will slow down and become lower quality in the future, because of the lawsuit
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>>537928184
swamp of sorrows has a quest chain that leads to SM and it gets you a pair of shoulders literally designed for pallies with int/str and holy damage
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>>537928184
Scarlet Monestary has crazy good stuff for paladins, you can gear yourself for Stormwrought there
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>>537927648
You're a homo
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american whites (brown people) are the best race on the planet indeed mutt
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>>537928548
If you're sincere, don't make me pull out Epoch roadmap because its laughable, maybe in 3 years, maybe
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>>537928193
Post hands and eye color.
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Sup y'all I'm new around here.

I hope you already went and thanked Bellular for the shoutout. It's not every day one of the foremost, and most talked about WoW content creators gives your little place a shoutout.

Also since it's obvious Bellular posts here, no I'm not him.
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>>537928193
>american
>white
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These threads would be nice slow high-quality weeks-long discussions without all of the off-topic.
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Some normal NElf since disgusting exaggerated proportions are being posted
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>>537929124
faggot
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>>537929218
hot, fuckable, breedable, lickable

still I find this >>537928178
>>537927430
slop and shit
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logistically how did the alliance find the fleet to rescue the helves?
did bolvar send a message to jaina and teldrassil for a combined relief force? he cant trust his nobles so I guess he did this
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>>537928178
>>537929358
its mostly indians that like AI slop
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>>537928532
>>537928681
>>537928743
That's awesome bros if I get two birds with one stone. SoS -> SM it is.

Thank you.
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>>537929358
Stop talking about the cat like that you fucking freak
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HNNNNG
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>>537929743
what server are you on
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>>537930167
In the PvP one.
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>>537930585
MUH QVEEN
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should i play shaman or paladin on turdle?
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>>537929920
current blizzard could never
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>>537921263
>>537923972
Thank you guys.
Can you tell me on which classes you had most fun on Turtle?
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>>537929124
that’s so funny bellular
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>>537931814
I've only been playing rogue, so I can't really give you a fair opinion. The buff/debuff maintenance and combo point system has kept it engaging enough for me to not get bored with, and the different gameplay of PVP helps break things up. But if you're looking for a game with fast-paced and complex PVE, I doubt any class is going to suit your fancy. It's still vanilla PVE at its core.
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>turtle won
>shenna won
>'nillers won
>alex lost
>blizzard lost
>and, epoch lost the hardest
i love private servers so much bros.
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>>537932593
did something happen to pochie?
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wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and much less PR damaging for blizzard to just buy turtle?
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>>537928184
tent up grind the baby green dragons by the entrance on the duskwood side of the swamp. pocket all the smalll flame sacs for serious golds later on (prices already going up i bet).
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>>537932593
turtletrannies will not survive the winter
copyrightinfringementtrannies will not survive the decade
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>>537932772
>PR damaging
Like they fucking care
Blizzard fanbase are drones. They are constantly shat on, spat on and they just don't care.
They'll take that plate full of shit and eat it clean
Some people are just not people
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>>537932772
>would depend on the owner(s) being willing to sell
>would set a precedent of rewarding pservers and general copyright infringement
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>>537932731
they didn't even get sued. relegated to obscurity. also, some 10,000 bugs.
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>>537932772
what is there to buy lmao its their fucking game retard
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>>537932772
They are owned by myopic midwit kikes. So the answer to your question is a resounding "Yes," but this is not the world we are living in.

Imagine suing a private server instead of fixing your own game. Literal fucking jew behavior.
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>>537933143
playerbase + custom content, retard.
being contrarian/dismissive doesn't make you look smart, just so you know.
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>>537932978
how about they make their own game not suck and then people wouldn't even want to play private servers? is this rocket surgery, or something?
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>>537933143
well clearly it isn't otherwise they wouldn't need to bother filling all of those lawsuits you mouth breathing midwit. which still weren't able to bring the server down btw.
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>>537933350
you are literally retard, turtle owns none of those legally and thus blizz would never need to pay for them
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>>537932879
>turtletrannies will not survive the winter
how?
>copyrightinfringementtrannies will not survive the decade
how?

you can make absurd blanket statements. that's your prerogative. but be prepared to back them up with reality.
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>>537933538
its their game and turtle is using it illegally, thats why they filed a lawsuit? which southeast asian or brazilian shithole do you live in you retarded nigger?
crazy to think impoverished turdworld zoomers think turtle own or have any rights to anything lmao
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>>537932978
>would set a precedent
that's pure BS.
private servers will always be around and will keep popping up regardless of that.
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>>537933540
>durrr udrrrrrrrrrrrrrurrrrrr.
turtle does own all the code they have written, legally. prove me wrong, retarded nigger.
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>>537933828
if they used blizz's copyrighted code as a base and modified it, they dont
prove me wrong double nigger tranny retard kthx
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>>537933750
Yes, and? If there's a chance of a payout at the end, there would most likely be even more private servers popping up. It's like the principle behind governments not wanting to (openly) negotiate with terrorists. They'll always be around and fucking shit up, but you invite more of them when you demonstrate that there is a potential for a positive outcome for them.
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>>537933704
>its their game and turtle is using it illegally,
except you have no concept of what these words mean in practice. and you are also flat out wrong. congrats on being a midwit redditor.
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>everyone argues for decades that X faction is full of shitter faggots who suck at the game
>turtle proves its the player, not the faction by uniting them and making everyone realize its the player, not the group
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>>537933704
>its their game
no its not?
turtle is still up, and blizzard owns nothing of its earnings?
which is why they try to take it down with lawsuits, because their objective is for it to be gone so they have no competitors.
which straight up buying it would most likely end up way less costly.
you midwit discuss pointless abstracts as if they have any relevance to real reality.
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>>537933981
congrats on no argument because you have no idea what youre talking about. i win. you are brown and a retarded monkey nigger. gg ez no re
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>>537933920
emulation is legal, faggot. you literally don't have a single idea of what you are talking about. go read a bunch of US civil law case studies and get back to me.
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I don't care if Blizzard owns the copyright, they don't deserve to have it on account of being gay retards
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>>537933920
>if they used blizz's copyrighted code as a base
this literally didn't happen btw. no private server has access to "blizz's copyrighted code." this is how utterly clueless you are on the real principles that would decide a case like this.
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>>537934081
world of warcraft is blizzards game, didnt read the rest, you are a retarded monkey nigger, kys
>>537934137
they literally provide the client for free, not legal
the original copyrighted game was reverse engineered to create private servers that they they then used to generate income with, not legal
another retarded monkey nigger down, keep em coming retards
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>>537934297
they had to reverse engineer the game from the actual product retard, another monkey nigger down, stop replying about shit you dont know shit about you 20 year old favela ape MONKEYNIGGER
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>>537934248
only good post in this thread because its also the only post not from some third world blizzard shitguzzler
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i hate blizz too but i hate monkey niggers more
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>american posted
not reading the rest
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>>537934356
>world of warcraft is blizzards game
and how exactly does that helps them in that situation?
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Max points blessing of might or blessing of kings for a pvp turtle ret paladin anons? That point for the latter could be invested to a better benediction for example.
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Why are the turtle forums down
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Reached level 50 and LW 260 and kind of don't want to play anymore.
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>>537934248
Any ip older than one, maybe two decades should automatically become public domain teebeeaych.
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because blizzard is destroying that tortle bussy
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>>537935132
>how doesnt it?
turtle is still up, they still get no money from it, they waste money on lawsuits that may or may not end up working?
how is it a better option than just buying the server, which will most likely end up being overall cheaper than all the lawsuits and will 100% work if the other side agrees to sell (they will because they do it purely for money).
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>>537934248
Everyone who made the game (forget WC2 and WC3, even Vanilla) left the studio years ago.
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>>537935286
its fucking world of warcraft, what do you think is waiting for you other than shitty raid groups full of turdworlders and loot drama?
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>>537935227
It's happening...
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>>537935396
the lawsuits been filed retard, companies dont lose lawsuits against private servers and certainly not fucking activision-blizzard
the trannies are cooked and you have no ground to stand on to indicate otherwise, now kys NOW
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>own an apple
>some huge gorilla nigger takes apple from you
>REEEEE its MY apple its MY apple
how does the apple being philosophically "yours" helps you at all in this situation?
you can scream and cry about it until tomorrow, but the fact of the matter is that no, the apple in fact is not yours.
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>>537935592
>companies dont lose lawsuits against private servers
okay they win the lawsuit.
explain to me in detail how it leads to some tranny in bumfuck russia shutting down his server.
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>>537935635
tell it to the judge cuck
>>537935782
you do realize the game servers arent in russia right
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>>537935973
okay then explain the process in detail
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>twow database and forums up and down
>_<
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>>537935227
turtletrannies.....
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>>537934130
>you have no idea what youre talking about. i win
but i do and you don't. tell me what turtle did that's "illegal." cite applicable US laws and cases. and tell me how they ran afoul of established copyright law. you won't do this because you are retarded and clueless.
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What are anons watching while they grind? Unveiled /r/ post
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america be da bess cuntry nigga muhfugga
finna get dem ypipo in dey place nigga
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Gilneas has unironically too many quests.
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>>537937678
Smartest orc in orgrimmar
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Havin fun is ILLEGAL.
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>>537928538
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Is Gilneas the move as a 43 Hunter :)
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>>537938948
that's a good starting point yes
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do you have a LOICENS for all that fun you're having you fucking TERRORIST?
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>>537939031
the bitcoin assassins have already been dispatched, shenna and co only have about 336 hours left on this earth, give or take
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retailchads won turdwowcucks lost
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>TurtleWoW
:)
>No draenei
:(
I just want my spacegoats...
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don't you know that blizzard OWNS fun
you stupid fucking worm
now PAY UP
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I've levelled like 11 characters to 60 in the past and I still don't know rotation for anything but mage, have never used a macro, click to target shit and have no idea how to target tank's target, I just click on whatever has the least health. I also click most of my abilities because fucking remembering key bindings beyond 1-6 plus shift and control modifiers for them.
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>>537928538
maybe if you're a judaic tranny
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>>537940096
unless you are a hardcore pvp autist you don’t really need more than that to play vanilla wow at a competent level
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>>537927243
Low impulse control, disobeying authority and refusing to pay taxes is based and Aryan and passive obedience is something only niggers do.
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>>537940096
>click to target shit
Tab targeting isn't good enough to not need to do this at times anyway, right?
It shouldn't be difficult for you to remember what keys you have shit on, anon, especially if you're using them as you level and are gradually adding to the list rather than trying to learn it all at once.
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>>537940273
the main thing keeping me out of pvp is having to farm consumables to use in combat, having to use fuck ugly minimalist no aesthetic UI mods to compete and the amount of addons that people can be utilizing that give them absurd advantages like autotargeting people through walls or choosing abilities automatically, it feels like playing an FPS vanilla while someone else has aimbot and wallhacks
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>>537940662
I still fumble and fuck up my 1-6 shit sometimes and forget how to get around cities I've run through thousands of times

also have no idea how to track cooldowns or make sure an enemy isnt immune to my shit, the werewolves in SFK always piss me off with this

tab targeting is worthless, half the time it either does literally nothing or decides to target some random enemy across the room
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>>537927243
the problem is that blizzard, a gorillion dollar business that has have been collecting a paid subscription from millions of players for 20 years, refuses or cannot provide as good a product as a team of 10 third worlders working on donations alone. the way blizzard approaches wow is so hilariously extractive that it's hard to be sympathetic to them
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>get random guild invite
>leader is a spastic brazilian maniac ranting about faggots and niggers
>laughing my ass off and encouraging him in chat
>everyone else is whining about him being immature and threatening to send screenshots to GM

This is why we can't have nice things.
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>>537941923
<Evil> moment
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>>537942060
<Tree of Life> actually
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Evil status: dragon raped us
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>>537942621
brutal, mogged by the big black dragon
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>>537942621
>pet Raptor named Raptor
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>>537942849
soul
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>UMM BUT SWEETIE IF BLIZZARD (PBUH) ACTUALLY GIVES VANILLA+ WE WILL SURELY SUB!!!!!!

no, never ever ever again faggot
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>>537941923
update: gm came into the guild chat, promoted the people whining about being offended and muted the guild owner

we are never getting the old internet back, are we? It's just normalfags and trannies forever
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What is momo's coin. Is it for a quest or vendor trash

>website is kill
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>>537943046
>t. twitch zoomy who just unsubbed 3 weeks ago and will change his mind when streamer says so
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>>537943193
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>>537939626
But you can find them in swamp of sorrows silly anon
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>>537943193
On the old internet, we would have all /gquit when a BR sperged out. Or we wouldn't have been in a guild with a BR.
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I just want WOTLK+ with high elves and worgen.
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Bronzie hype!
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LMAO THE SHELLCOIN QUEST COST ME 15 GOLD
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Why didn't he just fuck the ghost? Is he stupid?
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>WOTLK+
>crossfaction pvp realm(you can kill the tauren in your guild on sight if you see him in the wild)
>1x
>RDF removed/changed to only compile groups
>heroic and ascended dungeons and raids like stormforge frostmourne
>hardcore, 50% xp, no rested xp, etc challenges like turtle
>40% rented horses like turtle
>carts and profession overhaul like epoch
>new mounts mogs and cheevos(cata and beyond backports and such)
>High Elves and Worgen for alliance
>Goblins and Pandas or something for horde
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>>537943759
i havent subbed since 2011 unc
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>>537944884
You don't understand
I need the sexy ones
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what a slimy bitch
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they should either add a third faction or make pvp free for all
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>>537945120
kill all goblins
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>>537917486
As of now
>Undead
Not a bad revamp, the manor quest is quite simple and it rewards undead paladins with a good 2h sword as other classes too, the boss fight needs 2 players since is quite challenging solo, also is quite simple, wish they could expand it to eastern tirisfal where the groove is, maybe reference that malfurion was there and the undead came back more "alive" than they were.
>Tauren
The new Grimtotem area isn't bad, is quite a way to explain early on why the grimtotem are grimtotems This group worship the spirit of the hyena, also well made too, in line with 2004, the boss fight is hard solo and with 2+ people is challenging, also not even looms can deal with him.
>Orc/Troll
This one is really well done, the cave, Village, the concept, the "entity" the troll witch was following, from afar as i said it felt like a mid1.5/1.8 vanilla zone patch update, the boss can be soloed just fine if you know what you are doing.
>Dwarf
Felt like a 2004/2005 zone update, well detailed, quests arent bad, really good worldforge stuff to be found, and the boss fight is also not bad, but 2 people is necessary here.
AND PRAISE ATOM AND BE BATHED IN HIS GLOWING LIGHT!
>Human
This one needs fixes due to the retarded respawn rates at the "dungeon", is not bad either, they really handcrafted this with care, also the defias mobs hits hard, the boss fight at the end is quite challenging solo Fuck Shadow stun, but works great in group, the murlocs are a extra.
>Night Elf
The new zone is literally a druid death cult who worships the aspect of death The great vulture, in contrast to the grimtotem i mentioned who worships the hyena not bad but could be better, also their leader is a cute birb. the boss fight on the other hand since its the nelf starting zone, is impossible to do solo and needs a group because she hits hard with her spells.

And thats it, all new BBC+ zones, not bad, quite gud.
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>>537947481
when is it releasing
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Hey kittens *smooch*
How do I train past 225 in Alchemy? Already talked to everyone in the Apothecarium, Undercity.
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>>537947827
trainer in swamp of sorrow for horde
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>>537947481
Waifu Alert
Repeat
Waifu Alert
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>>537947957
ty fren
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>>537947481
impregnation
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>>537947643
very soon, they want to launch this month
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I want to play a warrior but im scared tank be asked to tank...
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Turtle WoW. Rogue or Warlock? Gnome or Dwarf? Male or Female? Cute or Ugly?
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>>537948917
female high elf ret paladin
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why are people so dismissive in this game? I ask someone 'where do you get snowballs?' and get no reply. it's like not knowing the ins and out of this 20 year old mmo makes makes you some kind of outcast.
>cool mount where did you get it?
>thanks :D wardens of time rep
>oh I've seen that one. how much did it cost, 1.5k?
>no reply
it's starting to get on my nerves and I see no reason why I should make a clown out of myself any longer. I ran MC while host grabbed all BoE and mats despite not advertising as such and got my somewhat rare drop but I didn't win the roll. some other guy SR'd it twice and the lootmaster didn't register his 2nd roll. the guy who "won" messaged me shortly after but I didn't bother replying, instead I went offline for 15 minutes so he couldn't make use of the 10 minute trade window because that's what people apparently do in this game.
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>>537949065
Sounds like rapebait
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>>537949226
You are a bad person and I hope bad things happen to you.
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>>537946657
God I miss Draenei. Only thing about Turtle WoW that disappoints me, even though I know they are right to leave them out
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>>537949491
how so?
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>>537946657
I understand. We don't need the futa annoyances.
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My high elf is a futanari.
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>>537949743
>2 people didn’t answer my easily-googleable questions so I knowingly ninja’d loot from some poor sap
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turtle mindbroke me
i can never again play without helves in the alliance

fuck space goat shit and fuck belves
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>>537950407
I also SR'd some schematic but I had to run after the LM linking epics in chat. somewhere around Garr a BoE recipe dropped that was worth around 100g, instead of rolling for it in chat he simply took it for himself. after that point I was pretty pissed off and the opportunity to make raid lead seem worse arose and i took it.

as for the questions which were more than just two over the course of two months or so, they were also easily answerable. there is no point in discussing anything but porn fetishes on the internet because wikipedia exists.
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>>537951310
Would really miss vanilla goblins if I went to a different server.
Should have always been playable desu.
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Why isn't Bronzebeard more popular. It's so much more polished than Epoch.
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>>537952020
I'm not playing a server called "BBC"
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>>537951310
>fuck space goat
>fuck belves
Yes
Sexually
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>>537952020
its not even out yet, people dont want to play characters that are going to get deleted, i just played until i got to level 30 and dropped it
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when is turtle going eos
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consider the following: cross faction orgies
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>>537950407
>NOOO why are you attempting to interact with fellow human beings in this fellow human being interaction simulator? Treat it like a job and have qualifications!
Kys nigger
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>>537952670
there's no fucking way in hell hosting 3 servers is costing them 5, much less 6 figures a MONTH
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>>537950378
Lame when night elves exist. My night elf is a futa and accosting short high elves in teldrassil is fun
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>>537952906
blease understand we can not simply post numbers kurwa
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>>537952906
Its more about paying the devs and artists.
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>>537953151
>paying the devs
what
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>october
get better "leaks" lil bro
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>>537953041
Night Elves are savages and fuck animals. High Elves prefer to share their beds with humans.
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>its all real
Turtlebros……..
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These screencaps are all old as fuck. Back from when Turtle got hacked.
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>>537952889
who are you quoting lil bro?
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>>537952906
C'mon Anon, Shenna wouldn't lie to you, right?
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You're being too obvious lil bro.
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What's up with that guy?
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>>537955227
Must be bored or something
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Is Northwind worth making the trek for as Horde? Heard there’s not many quests there.
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>>537928315
>>537938792
what generator
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>OMG LEEKS OF A PROJECT I HAVE NO STAKES IN MY LIFE IS SO EMPTY AND PATHETIC I HAVE TO SPAM SOME SHIT ABOUT WHO CARES WHO BECAUSE THIS WILL ALLOW ME TO GET THAT 3 SECONDS OF DOPAMINE I OTHERWISE ONLY GET FROM MY MEDICATION AS I AM A BROWN RETARDED NIGGER AMERICAN
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Shenna's shills are losing it
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>>537955479
Don't think there are any quests there. Haven't seen a hub and there are no flight paths there.
Zone is pretty tightly related to the internal affairs of Stormwind with Defias remnants, Onyxia manipulating the houses to be as inefficient as possible, and blackrock forces invading from the searing gorge. The main quests line leads directly into Balor at the end.
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>>537956468
>I have no stakes in
But this is a videogame board
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>>537956550
Bit of a shame. Will have to check it out whenever I make an Alli alt.
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>>537956848
no it isnt
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>>537957009
you forgot your selfie, my transgender friend
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>>537956468
The leaks were funny at the time just because of how mismanaged things were but I don't think anyone seriously expected good business decisions from a wow pserver.
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If those messages are legit, I'm glad Akalix is about to take it up his arse.

>>537956321
>let's destroy ourselves for short term gain, then expect everyone to still trust us and come back after we rollback the changes
lmao.
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>hell yeah posted it again
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why is ascension's main website down? i tried a few hours ago and its still down
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why didn't blizz name bowser?
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Nothing in these screenshots is even remotely interesting, its pretty typical project talk, having one retard guy chime in some p2w idea doesn't mean it'll be implemented when so far the actual turtle shotcallers have been smart enough to not do that shit
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>>537958545
the blizzard ninjas fear the nintendo ninjas
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>>537954929
sex with bowser
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>akalix has a mihomo avatar
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>>537959110
>mihomo
the jokes write themselves
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where did they get these aryan beast character models from
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>Epoch says they'll communicate better and use their site more
>No activity on the site since the 14th
Nice nice
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>have TurtleRP
>hover over a character
>IC: Character info hidden because NSFW is not toggled in the settings.
>OOC: Character info hidden because NSFW is not toggled in the settings.
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>nordic kid forced to mingle with browns and azns

not on my watch!
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i saw this on reddit and it made me laugh
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>>537965168
>i saw this on reddit
What the fuck happened to this site that you feel safe admitting this here and why the fuck are you not being banned for it INSTANTLY?
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Turtle team members apparently removed all their Discord roles today
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>>537969852
>DELETE ALL EVIDENCE ERASE EVERYTHING
lmao the blizzard lawyers are going to fuck them so hard
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I don't want to support the Russian pserver mafia but TWoW has by far the most players outside of Epoch, and Epoch is still a mess and I refuse to play until they reduce the talent reset cost.

TWoW terrible scummy people involved in shady shit? Yes.
TWoW making bank and gives 0 fucks so the server is likely to stay up? Yes.

You can't even make an Epoch/Ascension account right now because their site has been down for a day. I might be interested in Bronzebeard when that releases.
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>all of the paladin changes and set tweaks
>the kara set appearance and bonuses
You can really see where their design time goes. They care way more about the class than any of the others. Not even SoD was this egregious
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>>537969852
Its happening kekw

>>537970137
Ascension website is down for repairs and because of the new store stuff for epoch, and the name reservations for BB.

>>537970145
Their Karazhan raid was always a joke, even Bronzebeard's 5man dungeon in lower kara crypts was better than this.
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>words words words
lol sorry unc not reading allat

im still playing turtle and buying shenna coins
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What is the 100% historical value in Aux based on and why are some things like sungrass 550% over that?
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>someone at SW gates tents doing /ready /moon
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Ascension website been down for hours now. they about to get hit?
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>check in on Turtle today after a weeklong break
>server is dead, vibes are horrendous
Blizzard won
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Bronzebeard will eventually progress to TBC and Wotlk too, right?
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>all the turtle devs removed discord ranks
uhhhh
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>>537973270
Yeah
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>>537973270
that's the plan and i hope with new content in those expansion too
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>>537973309
Don't know what reason they could have for this, bet Blizzard lawyers have already exåprted the whole Discord server chat log. This all seems very pointless. Especially given the fact that Discord is an Americn company that can nuke the server at any moment to comply with the lawsuit. I think a lot of pservers will move to self-hosted Matrix servers and the likes, in the future.
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>>537973620
yet another reason Pisscord is complete diarrhea and should have never existed
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>>537970145
>the kara set appearance
This. The paladin set and the shaman set looks good. The rest looks like utter garbage. Literally just some black reskinned cloth armor with some retail shoulder armor.
Priest is just a plague doctor in a leather coat. What a downgrade from T3 looks-wise. You go from a angel with wings to some larping London reject.
I see a priest in full Kara40 priest armor I feel compelled to throw him some silver, thinking its custom content from SFK or something.
The mage hat is literally just the red wizard hat reskinned. Imagine leveling and raiding for months and this is what you get.
All the robes from the cloth wearing classes look almost identical even.
The warrior armor is just the most generic, stereotypical idea of a knight that I've ever seen.
Meanwhile the paladin has all kinds of insignias and custom accessories on its armor. Unique boots, unique pants, banner hanging from its shoulders and so on.
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Just made a new retail account. Putting this part of my life behind me.
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>>537970145
>>537974170
it's because of dramaqueennovi
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>>537974170
You got any galleries so I can see?
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>>537969852
They did that like 2 days ago
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Turtle = Shenna
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Is there a full list of features for bronzebeard anywhere?
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>>537976751
https://ascension.gg/en/news/bronzebeard-warcraft-reborn-the-next-chapter-unfolds/497
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Is warmane any good?
I'd make a sexy draebae mage girl.
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>>537976751
>>537976823
Sorry it seems like website is down atm
Try this: https://web.archive.org/web/20250824055419/https://ascension.gg/en/news/bronzebeard-warcraft-reborn-the-next-chapter-unfolds/497
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>>537976951
does anyone know why the ascension website is down? i swear its been like that for hours now, very strange
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I can't play turtle AND bronzebeard...
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>>537977124
probably just updating stuff
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>>537976864
This is Warmane.
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>>537976823
>>537976951
Thank you
>>537977124
They said they're looking into it but it is weird that it's been down for so long
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>>537970145
Paladin is fucking hilarious on turtle. Im running around with a full on extra attack (holy strike) given to me at level 6 and just genociding elwyn
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For anyone who isn't aware of Whitemane's new attempt at Wrath, have a laugh tonight
>https://frostmourne.stormforge.gg/en
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>>537977539
yeah it's cancer, that's all wrath+ servers
same shit with gamer-district back in '16
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>>537977618
There's no challenge for any class until about 20+ anon...
But yes, Paladin can do everything with no major drawback
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How is project epoch?
I kind of wanted to make an undead paladin. Is seal twisting a necessary thing? i'm a massive retard and certain i'd suck at it.
Turtle sounds fun too but wpvp seems like an afterthought there and i want to fight.
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>>537977980
Warrior was aids until i cleared deadmines and got a blue weapon. It was HC mind you but still. Paladin spells just carry you like crazy early on regardless of your gear
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>>537917952
does this have crossfaction?
300 players is really low if not
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>>537978201
I played there for a while then stopped when they merged both pve servers
It was pretty buggy and it seemed like the merge brought in more bugs somehow, on top of the megaserver meme pop
>>537978201
>Is seal twisting a necessary thing?
don't know if it's necessary but it does exist
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Blizzard alwats wins.
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https://youtu.be/curV7-G3npw?si=c8a3YHv-vy_OzFeF

THE KING HAS SPOKEN
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>>537924665
No, nobody else is that stupid.
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>>537977980
>see a fagadin with immortal mount
I /spit
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>>537977680
Other than it being 5x, why should I be upset at? I might play a hardcore warrior on it.
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>>537976951
holy shit they actually have a lot more stuff than I thought, looking good
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>>537981430
the website is up again, there's more stuff that was posted apparently
https://ascension.gg/en/news/warcraft-reborn-expanded-azeroth-exp-and-difficulty/504
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>>537953151
turtle's dug themselves into a hole with their business model and general methodology for how they provide their server to their players.
>fork open source project to provide vanilla+ experience to players
>fork is kept closed source with exception of a leak happening out of fear of competitors stealing from them (lol)
>crowd funding for server expenses be it for hosting or paying devs/artists/support team is done through a "donation" system that rewards donators with either useful items they can't get anywhere else that are must haves or rare, otherwise unobtainable mounts.
>staff are paid some of their earnings for their efforts along with bills. any remainder of earnings that go unspent is up to your imagination to determine what happens with becuse zero transparency.
this flawed, greedy system, common in private servers before wow, lacks transparency, hiding earnings and enabling profiteering. a fairer system: real donations, no cash shops, using patreon for simple thank-yous. low funds? transparent community fundraisers with clear goals. pricey coders/artists? offer fixed, fair bounty rewards for desired features. cut costs, community volunteers often handle support, coding, or art for free. open-source code could inspire unpaid work to improve the server. turtle's corporate approach, ignoring community driven solutions, ruined their rep and brought legal issues on to themselves in the end.
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>because zero transparency
lol
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>>537977539
why is it so hard for retards to make their own 10 man groups?
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>>537983495
that's what you got out of that you dingus?
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>>537983663
>people make their own groups with their own requirements
>some newfag shitter cries about it, but wont bother making his own group or join a guild
yea?
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If you're playing warmane, you should be on Onyxia.
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i will be tanking your dungeons
no i have never done it before
look forward to it
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>>537984063
>piss on the floor
Congratulations, you've worked out 99% of the paladins tanking kit (i assume you're a paladin)
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>2h holy strike does a little twirl
S-Should I switch from prot to ret?!
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>>537980147
You won't be much upset if you were not already familiar with Whitemane/Sunwell.
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>>537986493
Yes and be my buffslut
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>>537988772
fvvvy vryvn kvvv
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>>537989424
NVM, prot just got good.
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>>537982803
Nigga nobody owes you explanation with transparency what they spend money on except goverment with taxes you pay. And they dont even do that.
Not even trying to defend troondle but grow up nigga
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What are we thinking?
Cringe? Based?

I played on bbc+ for a while its really enjoyable but im worried the balance will be non existent for specs and group content is gonna be a faceroll, dungeons and solo questing was decently challenging, especially solo levelling

They do atleast listen to feedback and adding commonly requested features from discord, and the Grey guy is pretty based.
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>join random guild on ambie launch day
>its growing little by little
>gm is some weirdo who wants to become an eceleb and cant shut up about getting 1k tiktok subs or something like that
>kinda gay but already got couple of friends in the guild, so I'll stay for now
>he sets up a discord yesterday and starts talking about "guild taxes"
>I check it this morning
>picrel
>wtf is this bullshit lmao
>check his yt
>he streams league for 2 people and makes microsoft office tutorials in arabic
>/gquit
i cant stop laughing, bismillah
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>>537990025
they kind of do when they are actively taking 'donations' from the community in order to cover operational expenses for their server. otherwise it kind of leads one to believe that it's not really donations at all but more a front to make money from. oh wait..
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>>537990218
>What are we thinking?
Cautiously optimistic
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>>537982803
>>537990846
>babbys first wow private server
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>>537990530
>no i don't want to support my gm
Why? Least you could is give him a sub. Costs nothing.
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>>537990846
Ever donated to charity like doctors without borders?

I did.
Let me tell you what happened:

>Some younger guy in store was taking "donations" by front doors
>Apparently you just need to swipe your debit card, so its convenient!
>Well little did i know, it signs you up for MONTHLY payment
>Oh well, im just gonna cancel it
>Nonono, you cant cancel it, you have to send a LETTER to them
>Aka doing everything they can so you dont cancel
>Go to website from link in email
>Set donation amount per month to 10 euro cents
>Week later recieve email "thank you for your continous support, we wont be accepting future payments however"

TLDR: ITS JEWS
ITS ALL FUCKING JEWS SCAMMING YOU
WAKE UP

Yes, the owner of server probably drives a lambo and fucks russian hookers on daily from your money, but at least you get to play the game
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>>537991779
No. I just assume all charities are scams made by Jews so I find it easier to just donate toys and food to my local services instead of sending money to a faceless corporation.
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>>537991779
>Yes, the owner of server probably drives a lambo and fucks russian hookers on daily from your money, but at least you get to play the game
If I could pay a $15 sub fee and get both continuous Turtle content and videos of Shenna fucking Russian hookers, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
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wtf? why?
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>>537990530
lmao. Trying to become a popular wow and lol content creator in 2025 is peak 3rd world.
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Redpill me on gnomes. How serious is the gnome hate? Will I get unprompted whispers from "pineapple on pizza is icky" normalfags who buy into the gnomes are lame meme? I need an Alliance character and it's either a gnome with a gun or a kino Kaldorei Druid and I want to explore the Eastern Kingdoms over Kalimdor so...
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>>537994581
nobody hates gnomes, people just won't take you seriously
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>hyped for Tauri legion
>turns out they'll make a tier of wod first
le sigh... at least now I have time to level up and chill a bit
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>>537993983
Darnassus has a mail armor set.
Ironforge has a leather armor set.
>>537994581
Gnome hate is real. >>537994654 never played a gnome. If you do, you won't get messages, but people will randomly /spit on you and if you're in world chat you will constantly hear about how your race sucks even by GMs. Do not play a gnome.
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ambershire is a fucking month old and the bgs are already completely fucking unplayable for alliance
every bg, EVERY bg at least 1/3 of people afk because they realized you can farm easy honor
WHY DO WE GET THEM, WHY NOT HORDE
fucks sake
then theres the russians and chinese that do jack shit
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>>537994797
>alliance sucks at pvp even with all the changes in their favor
At some point you just have to accept that you are playing the inferior faction. Either go Horde or get farmed, faggot.
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>>537994797
the alliance has always been a joke in pvp, they're dogshit even though humans are the best pvp race by far
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>>537994797
What is honor and how do I afk farm? I play a Tauren shaman if that helps
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>>537994797
>pvp on turtle
you did it to yourself
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>>537994889
>>537994923
I won almost every bg until lvl 40, alliance just has more ACTUAL UNDERAGED kids that drag down the average, the noshoes lose every single time its all adults in an alliance party
>>537994965
just spam join arathi, you win every single one
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>>537994581
Gnomes are undignified. They're a faggot reddit race. They're a joke and anyone playing them is a retard.

There shouldn't be gnomes. There could, in theory, be a halfling race that is dignified and cool, but gnomes are freaks and ugly and unserious and a blight on warcraft lore.
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>>537995058
>one faction wins every battleground
>if my faction, things are fine
>if not my faction, BAWWW
Sounds like the tables have turned then. Be a good sport and keep queueing to lose.
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about to attempt another HC warrior run
any advice? talents, professions etc. was probably gonna go arms to tank dungeons and pick up mining/smithing to make my own gear along the way
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horde is pvp faction, ally is pve faction, this is known
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>>537995819
if we lose because we get outplayed, or even because our team has low level retards and the opposite team is all twinks, thats ok
whats not ok is losing every bg because half your team is afk
and it exclusively happens to alliance for some reason
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>even with all the ret paladins running around ally still get graped
figures, all the pinkies are fucking morons
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>>537996104
>when my team wins it's because we played well
>when my team doesn't win it's because THIS IS SO UNFAIR BAWWW
You sound like a child. Grow up.
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>>537996054
Go engineering instead of BSing. If you're gonna do dungeons and tank dungeons, you'll get gear there. Engi gives you valuable tools like grenade stuns and target dummies. If you're doing your HC stuff on Turtle, then I wish you luck. The retarded-ass cooldown they put on Hamstring makes that infinitely tougher.
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>>537996357
fuck, yeah that's right they nerfed hamstring. absolutely fucking wild they thought that was a good idea
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>>537996549
I seriously don't understand it at all. Now every time my HS gets dodged or parried, I quietly seethe.
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>>537996054
Turtle? Don't bother, Warrior is awful on that server. They want you to play Paladin, so do that
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>>537994797
I have the complete opposite experience, every alliance player is a complete gigatryhard that's already twink BiS for this bracket while every horde player is at least 5 levels under the max
I just want the rank 3 discount man
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>>537997121
You are a complete man child. Really, QQing over low level pvp?
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>>537997464
As opposed to what pvp? Don't tell me you rushed to 60 because you think endgame is the only thing that matters.
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>>537997597
Not him but you shouldn't cry other PVP period. It's just a game, and PVP is an optional part of the game. Rank 3 is ridiculously easy to obtain as well.
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>>537996640
Sounds like you need to play your class better. Perhaps you should roll something easy like healer if you can't manage ability queueing.
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>>537997670
What the fuck are you talking about? What does ability queuing have to do with a 15 second cooldown or whatever it's been set to?
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>>537996549
>>537996640
A dev couldn't figure out how Blessing of Freedom work after they renamed it (and buffed it lol) so they nerfed Hamstring for him.
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>>537997650
>not him
its totally you, youre that pussy sensible to people saying negative things, you freaks break down into tears whenever people say anything negative about anything
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>>537997747
Learn to manage it better. All I am going to say. Think about it for the betterment of yourself.
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>>537997807
I'm not that anon.
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>>537994581
Everyone that plays gnomes is an annoying asshole. If you play a gnome I will always kick you from my dungeon party or raid.
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>>537997909
Whatever you say, retard. You don't even know what ability queuing is kek
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>>537998017
You are the one clueless of your class and asking questions on how to play here of all places. I'm just trying to empower you to being capable of figuring things out on your own.
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>>537994581
It's just a meme on turtle, like how clanker is making the rounds even outside of battlefront 2. No one really gives a shit.
>gnome with a gun
I see you are a man of culture as well.
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>>537998165
Stop smoking weed
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"Mr. Zimmer, do you agree that Blizzard set the cooldown on Hamstring to 0 seconds during Vanilla?"
"W-well it's technically 1 second due to the.."
"And you agree, Mr.Zimmer, that increasing the cooldown on Hamstring reduces the quality of playtime if a player chooses to play as a Warrior?"
"T-The players can use Speed Potions or Engineer.."
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>>537998046
Fantastic invention you have made there. Hoffman lenses in mirror form! Bravo, just don't look at yourself too much, now.
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>>537998308
lot of words for "i'm coping"
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>>537998335
I didn't ask for a selfie or your explanation for giving it. Just plain weird!
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>>537994797
>classic pvp
>TURTLE pvp
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>DISCLAIMER, I'M NOT TROLLING I'M JUST NEW TO PRIVATE SERVERS.

I started a warrior on Ambershire, turtle wow, then I heard about the lawsuit. What are the chances that turtle wow will completely shut down as the result of the lawsuit? I heard that the servers are located in a country that complies with USA laws.

I just don't want to get too much into it if it's goonna get shut down by Cuckzzard.
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>>537998480
>Just plain weird!
don't be so hard on yourself
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>>537998605
100%
Shenna is already planning her exit strategy.
The server will be gone by the end of the month.
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>>537997121
People are calling random deadmines blues and wsg rep weapons full BiS it's hilarious
stop being lazy and go tank/heal dungeons instead of crying, people queueing 10-19 and 20-29 in greys are complete retard cry babies, it's not the first week anymore you have zero excuse for not taking a evening to dungeon run for gear.
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>>537929920
>small glimpse into what ogre females would look like
>never got ogres as playable race
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>>537998987
>small glimpse into what ogre females would look like
It's just a fertility statue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf
Or was that a joke, and I'm just dumb?
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Turtle wow is forever and will never close down. That is a fact! Screenshot this post and save it to an SD card and place that SD card somewhere safe! In a hundred years when we are all dead and gone some future Turtle wow player will find it and then all will be proven that I was right.
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>>537929920
Anyone who uses that icon in their TRP is a whore.
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pserver consoleport addon support never ever. forever stuck with arthritis and carpal
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Do tanks and healers appreciate each other in your runs?
https://files.catbox.moe/sv0egh.png
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>>537999518
No matter what I'm playing, I commend healers after a dungeon if they carried a messy run, either because the tank was bad or the dps were tards.
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>>537999459
I've got it configured with non-xbox paddle controller. Tanked SFK too.
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how is loot competition for hpalas on turtle? In classic bosses drop the tier gear directly instead of the marks or am i wrong?
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>>537978264
yeah he's retarded
warrior struggle is fucking real early on without good gear and only good players strive through that 1-20 warrior journey
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>>537999805
Simp.
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>>537998865
You don't reach 1.5k health at level 19 just from DM blues.
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someone explain to me why ascension even bought epoch?
their bronzebeard server seems better
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>>537998865
>>538000229
The gear doesn't matter as much as the enchants do. Which is why higher level enchants should be level restricted.
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>>538000317
I agree with enchant restrictions and 10-19 has always been a shit bracket but I haven't seen a single low lvl twink with crusader yet only a few are running around with fiery right now.

But at this point you're going to have plenty of people easily running black label, high end fort, and healing/swiftness/fap pots since they're all dirt cheap in the AH now even a non twink can afford them.
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>>537999518
had the reverse of this picture in one of my dungeon runs earlier was troll female shaman healer with blue ponytail
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>>538000541
But did you bang?
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>>537999518
If only fem trolls looked like this in game.
>>537999459
just click your spells.
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>>538000254
get people hyped and more easily hop over on bbc+
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>>538000254
They can host the servers for practically nothing while reaping in the money the stores bring in.
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>>538000254
Hosting as many difference types of the game for all different types of players helps them reach a wider audience with their launcher. Thousands that would have never downloaded their launcher now have it to play Epoch. This brings in people to their other projects as well which are also contained in the launcher.
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>>538000938
>>538000989
>>538001270
Yea, you guys are right. That makes a lot of sense explained that way.
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Every race has a natural rival in this chart. But dwarves just hate other dwarves.
remove undead, add dark iron as a faction. make undead their own scourge faction.
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>>538002036
dwarves are fighting and fucking over every single horde race except forsaken
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>>538002036
forsaken are not a human rival, their rival is scourge so a faction of undead, so same exact thing as dwarves
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>>538002036
Tauren player here
Night Elves and Orcs HATE eachother while Tauren are a sidenote. Apparently cutting down trees in Ashenvale is more interesting than two sister races betraying eachother and joining opposing sides in a world war.
It's actually Dwarves that are digging up Tauren ancestral gravesites
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Is Hyjal only reachable by the cave in the south of Winterspring? Is there interesting stuff in Hyjal?
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>>537999934
There's no analog movement, is there?
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>>537999518
Holy sex
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>>537996054
Overlevel. Abuse tents and do quests when they are green. Avoid caves unless you are in good gear because odds are you will die to hyperspawns
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>be on turtle
>itching to do some pvp
>can't because i'm not within a x7-x9 level range
>would literally just be griefing my team if i queued up for arathi basin
quite possibly the most retarded "feature" of the vanilla wow experience that all these vanilla wow recreators insist on bringing back. but what really grinds my gears are the people who defend the system because they live in such a bubble that they can't imagine literally any other system. average out all player levels in a team, then match them with another team that has the same average. fucking done. instantly better system with faster queue times.
>buh buh buh muh twinking and stomping noops experience
100% kill yourself honest to god
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>>537996104
I always report the afks and a GM removes them in like 2 minutes
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>>538002878
Remove the chance to hit penalty in BGs and homogenize and/or average health pools across the entire team. Still rewards higher level and gear for the respective teams while giving lower level players a chance to actually contribute.
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>>537917486
Legit question guys, why do we not have a guild on Warmane?
As shitty as the server might be, it's been around for like +10 years and it's also full of chuds
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>>538003949
pay2win puts people off.
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>>538003459
i think changing up the hit penalty and attempting to average out stats would genuinely be beyond the ability of the private server devs, and i would accept the argument that it goes against the "spirit of vanilla". however, they could tighten the level ranges down to like a range of 4, while averaging out the player levels. i present this idea to my friends and they say "no because of queue times" which is genuinely either stockholm syndrome tier retardation or outright gaslighting. the queue times would be FASTER because

1) it would flex the level range from 36-39 (which is what it currently limited to, in practice) to something like 32-35, or 28-31, etc. so you'd have a wider range to pull players from

2) people would actually queue for pvp since they would actually have a good experience instead of twinks on the enemy team and some level 22 retards on your team trying to afk farm honor on yours

i could literally write this matchmaking system out in pseudocode in an afternoon so it should not be too hard for turtle devs either. there would literally be no downside except twinks wouldn't be able to optimize for a specific level and then proceed to stomp
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>>538004313
>1) it would flex the level range from 36-39 (which is what it currently limited to, in practice) to something like 32-35, or 28-31, etc. so you'd have a wider range to pull players from
what i meant is that the range would be moving depending on the players who are queued into matchmaking. like say, if there are 10 level 31-33s, and 10 level 35-38s queued up, then it would create a level 31-33 range match and a level 35-38 match separately instead of trying to mix them together like this outrageously barebones bracket system
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>>538002358
I went there yesterday to explore, and my report is as follows:
-You can farm there to gain "Hyjal currencies," since the elves over at Nordanaar are basically Minecraft NPCs trading gear for emeralds. Check if there’s any faction reward you might need there.
-There is a quest chain taking you all around the world to unlock a Nordanaar teleport, and more importantly a Hyjal south teleport, as it's a pain to access otherwise https://database.turtle-wow.org/?quest=40984
-I wanted to do the "Swift Travel Form" quest chain there, but I got cockblocked since I needed stuff from the Emerald Sanctum & Zul’Gurub.
tl;dr area seems mostly irrelevant as long as the Emerald Sanctum raid is locked. Might be relevant later. You can loiter around killing mobs while waiting for dungeon/BG queues to pop, but there’s nothing of real value otherwise. I might have missed some stuff though.
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>>538002358
Also, yes, you can only access through a summon or the eltie canyon south of winterspring
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>>538002036
>>538002289
This
Almost everytime i play a NE i try to avoid fighting with a Tauren and it seems that they try to avoid fights as well
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how much hit rating is too much? I am currently sitting at 10% and it feels like overkill
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>>538002878
>such a lazy dumb fuck he can't gain 7 levels
>cries about
even if you were x9 you would still suck I can tell
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>>537999518
>no hot troll mommy to heal
it's over for me bros
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>>538002362
Can do 8 directional
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>>538006509
i am already overleveled and have xp disabled because of some of my friends had the bright idea to go with slow and steady
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Matepress impregnating Shenna's/Torta's tight Slav pussy.
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>>538007175
every thread you guys talk about this womans slav pussy.
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>>538007456
I want to cumblast her womb at least once before she goes to jail.
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>>537994797
as ive heard from my friends its actually supposed to be shit
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>>538007686
she will never step foot in jail, in fact russia might give her a medal for making such a good mmo.
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>>538007686
>>538008015
The only place she will step on is my face
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>>537997747
It's only 6 seconds
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>>538005794
anything over 9% is overkill

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b5wfBLYoopE7_4r2lhrJHx395K1AlZKx8qMeu821nW4/edit?gid=0#gid=0
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>>538008015
>she (He actually) will never step foot in jail
They will export her with the quickness the moment a good trade opportunity (of pirating cucks) arises
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Hes right you know.
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>>537996054
I mean this in the most sincere way possible: don't play Warrior. It's an uphill battle all the way to 60 and all you have to show for it is being the weakest dps until you get some gear and even then you get beaten by ret paladins, you're flat out the worst tank in the game and thanks to the hamstring nerf even more reliant on support in pvp which chances are you won't get because all the supports are 3rd worlders
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>>538003949
I dont know anyone other than me that plays there
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>>538009946
>low testosterone male behavior
Any point he might or may have is overshadowed by his buzzword spouting
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>>537999518
Sauce?
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will i get erp with horde women if i play a male high elf
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>>537999518
this reminded me of my ex and now im sad
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Big strong futa nelfies parading my helfie in Darnassus...
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>>538009965
>specs piercing howl
>actually becomes one of the most powerful classes in pvp
nothing personnel
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>>538011394
It's AI
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>>538011394
A slopper on /wowg/, here are the ones from current thread
https://files.catbox.moe/a2gahv.png
https://files.catbox.moe/61ccuo.png
https://files.catbox.moe/5pyyqv.png
https://files.catbox.moe/sv0egh.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ckonfz.png
https://files.catbox.moe/qupms0.png
https://files.catbox.moe/74dmwu.png
https://files.catbox.moe/lc37rb.png
https://files.catbox.moe/dsnjvu.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bsthb1.png
https://files.catbox.moe/nta96v.png
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>>538011726
This should be me.
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>>538011726
So based
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>>538009965
all of this is bullshit except for the last part about supports. they don't exist because every class capable of doing so will only use their support abilities on themselves
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>>538007456
>woman
Please see the Adams apple
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>>538011647
Please do this to my Helf priestes...
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>rend gives 1 rage per tick
need it or keep it?
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If Turtle adds Draenai i MIGHT come back.
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>>538011647
>>538012167
Too many desperate helf sluts in here, geez
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>>538012167
>>538011647
Names?
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>>538013230
Elicia and Asalys.
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>>538002878
It truly is crazy that no server attempts to do something that obvious
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Troons cant reproduce so they have to recruit
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>>538009725
Russia wanted an arms dealer for a female basket ball player who got caught with weed.
For what blizzard want to do to shenna they'll ask for trumps first born son.
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>>538009946
He's always right. He's never wrong. Except for druid levelling talents on a pvp server.
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>>538014235
Biden was willing to trade a literal terrorist for a lesbian basketball player who got arrested for having and consuming weed in russia.

You kind of twisted that around.
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>>538014445
How did I twist it around? What do you think happened in that exchange?
That biden called putin up and opened instantly with hey, you want this terrorist for the WBNA player?
Fuck no they wanted some marine arrested after they found out putin wanted the arms dealer for the nigger, but putin came back and said no way boss they're both civilians, the marine is espionage.
Russia didn't call the US first and Biden didn't open with sure take this merchant of death, they would take no other deal.
That deal happened 11 months after the war and assumingly 8 months after the sanctions. now it's been years worth of sanctions they'll want the moon.
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>1 russian is worth 1 black lesbian
bur
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It was a no brainer for russia to accept the deal.

I dont know the details but the arms dealer was in prison for years in usa, so his term was ending and it was probably logical to return him to russia either way.
Just speculating.

Anyway it would be blizz who would grease russia for the tranny if they wanted to
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>>538014830
Thats exactly what happened.

Russian media (and usa media) was spamming how badly the poor dindunothing was treated in russian prison.

Biden made the move for the exchange
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Can someone shill me on epoch project?
I kinda wanna play but are there enough americans playing to make it worth for me? I love meeting new people but i'd like to raid eventually and can't make euro raiding times for obvious reasons.
I'm ok with some bugs and weird shit as long as the population is there. I very briefly glanced at the discord and i saw tons of garble mouth language guilds recruiting and that was an immediate turn off.
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>>538015529
This is pointless. You think the US didn't get finessed by Russia and are just retards. But we have new reports that contradict this, biden wanted more, biden wanted Paul Whelan and Marc Fogel, biden didn't get them because Russia didn't want to negotiate.
Russia wanted to come out on top on the deal and still do.
Just this year trump gave got back Marc Fogel in return for Alexander Vinnik.
Marc Fogel tried to bring canabis 0.6 ounces into Russia.
Alexander Vinnik is a cybercriminal charged with money laundering.
There's an obvious pattern in these trades anon.
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>>538016132
the hmm, the epoch 4chan general has shota porn, that's the only positive
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Turtle should add turtle people as a playable race
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>>538016163
Im saying they make it look like russia finesses the usa in these deals, but we dont know what is going on actually.

They make russia look like evil villains all the time, does not mean its reality
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>>538016241
im honestly fucking stupid and didn't notice there was a general. i will bug them instead. thanks anon.
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>>538016668
They get abused to leave by turtle staff
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>>538011726
So fucking hot
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Just met this Bimbo Bird but couldn't keep myself from spilling the spaghetti. Oh well!
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Bimbo Bird, please unblock me, I promise to not talk about the holocaust.
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Dwarf girls :3
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>the klaxxi betray you at the end of their questline
ok that was kino
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>>537994923
Nice gaslight faggot. Alliance used to win most AV's on Nord 2.5 years ago when paladins were better and shamans not as good.
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>>538020052
are you me
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>>538020594
what server?
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mating pressing my elven companions after a long day of defeating orcs

ps does anyone need deadmines? lv 20-30 pls
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>>538023270
mating pressing my femtroll companions after a long day of defeating orcs
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>>538021621
any mop server
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>>538023270
That level 32 mating pressed you.
I saw it all.
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>>538023638
listen
it happens
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>>538023270
>23 domming 32
I beg AI poster here to gen her femdom amazon positioning him
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I have like 10 deadmines quests but I'm lvl 30 on my hardcore slow and steady so I'll just have to go back and solo it at lvl 50 or something since putting together a 25-30 group might be too difficult.
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>>538011726
God, i wish that was me (human male).
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Wait, so when does BBC+ release?
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>>538027773
1.5 months.
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>>538025864
He posted moar
https://files.catbox.moe/7eeuy9.png
https://files.catbox.moe/agewl4.png
https://files.catbox.moe/hzdbk8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/4azesw.png
https://files.catbox.moe/yuwj3u.png
https://files.catbox.moe/5j2gqg.png
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>>538029248
Fuuuuuuuuuuckkk
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>>538029248
god i wish that were me (troll female)
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>>538024826
huh
how do you even get to level 30 on slow and steady and not just do deadmines at 22-25
did you spam a shitload of wailing caverns or what
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>>538029248
These are okay, but he should do Onyxia straight shota.
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>>538030027
The only dungeon I've done is stockades, I've just been going around doing all the gray and green quests because it's safe and I want the loremaster title.
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>>538030407
You just know.
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what sever is worth playing?
>>538030407
you just know they have a lot of sex when the husband in't around.
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>>538030407
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>>538030407
she looks like me wtf
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>>538011726
>>538029248
female trolls don't look like that
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>>538030407
What's more cringe, the phantom troop tattoo or fucking your own mother?
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boys, they are bullying our itemshop ...
>>538015178
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>>538031337
Epoch will get the same shit like the rest of Ascension in 2-3 months.
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>>538027773
Every night in your mom's ass.
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>>538030924
Yes.
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Any games to look forward to before the year ends? I think it's just Metroid Prime 4 at this point right? Or am I missing something? Keeping an eye on the new Pokemon but I don't have high hopes for that.
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man this twink shit sure gets expensive fast. i need to spec frost on my 58 mage and start farming lashers, probably faster than anything my 60 war could do aside from casual raid income
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what the best class at making gold on turtle wow?
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>>537999518
>>538011726
>>538029248
>clear a dungeon together
>spend an entire month fucking
they will never reach lv60 this way...
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>>538029248
god i wish that were me (male human holy paladin)
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Choose.
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>>538035747
A is a solid choice, but you can't deny that C will intimidate people.
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C is the cool one.
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>>538012148
>woman
She is
She is also remy lacroix lost slav twin.
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>>538031337
Knowing ascension, either the serer will get shutdown after a while or this will get added too in their shop.
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>>538036624
>he doesnt know of the fel warchest
Turtlefags are desperate and epochfags are the bottom of the sack of shit, a bunch of retail and classic babies.
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>>538030924
The tattoo. His mom's hot
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LEVEL 33
ONLY ONE LEVELING PERSON ON THE OTHER FACTION WITH WARMODE ON they jumped off their mount about 3 seconds after I targeted them (out of range) to Sprint away(???????)
I WANT TO JUMP ON SOMEONE
I WANT TO BE JUMPED ON
I WANT TO FIGHT
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>>538037621
no one cares about pvp
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>>538037621
The new zones has had plenty of flagged players in my experience
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>>537998605
Almost 0%. You have nothing to worry about. The server will be around at least another year or two.
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>>538037621
play on gurabashi
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Wallcraft Gigapatch just dropped. Been playin for 45 minutes, and I can confirm - We are going home, boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwcKIQxbqU
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>>537937859
Correct. So does Northwind.
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>>537937859
Maybe if you're Alliance.
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>>538039521
I'm heading to Balor soon I'm ready to turn this island into 9/11
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>>537937859
>>538040629
Let me guess, you're not slow & steady(the way turtle is designed to be played)
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>>538037621
I've found a moderate amount of world PvP but somehow 70% of the horde flagged are shaman which is not fun to fight
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>>538040764
It's not about out leveling it, most of my characters are slow and steady. It's about being level 40 where you start getting quests for Booty Bay, Feralis, Hinterlands and Tanaris all at once, how the fuck do I fit all that shit in my quest log with only 20 quests?

If I abandon them, I'm either inevitably going to forget some quests when I head somewhere, or I have to sit down and open a spread sheet to plan out my leveling experience, which I'm not going to fucking do.

Gilneas should have been a level 30 zone anyway. Silverpine > Hillsbrad Foothills > Gilneas would have been the Elwynn > Westfall > Redridge > Duskwood of the Horde. Instead, they added Northwind to the already perfect alliance leveling experience making it even better, and the horde only got 2 zones rather than 3 despite needing it far more.
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>>538035747
These are all good but fit a specific fantasy:

>A
(Shadow) priest, cult of the damned type fantasy.
>B
Warlock, Scholomance demon-summoning skulker type.
>C
Rogue, ganks shitters in Stranglethorn Valley and makes videos about it.
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>>538041242
Just....don't forget? Skill issue, unc.
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>>538041242
>It's about being level 40 where you start getting quests for Booty Bay, Feralis, Hinterlands and Tanaris all at once, how the fuck do I fit all that shit in my quest log with only 20 quests?
Just skip those quests?
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>>538041242
I have 10 quests all sending me to a different locations, and 10 quests all sending me to 4 different dungeons. Classic experience, I suppose.
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>>538040782
Shaman are just as busted as paladins so it's not surprising that half the horde population is playing one.
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>>538035747
is that asmon?
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I want to fuck shenna, or at least see her naked. how can I do this?
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>n-nyooo you can't all play paladins snd shamans you're supposed to all play woyers and wogues!!!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr3x7tS__dE
give me more undead-rogue-core songs
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>>537994581
>gnome with a gun
I don't even dislike gnomes but gnome hunters are the absolute worst players I've run into on Turtle. One wiped us twice in armoury last night, an easy as fuck dungeon, by leaving their pet on aggressive even after our tank asked them to stop.
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>>538002358
farming shards with raid group north of nordanaar
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Thoughts on Turtle census data?
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>>538043327
Too many elves.
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>>538043327
The data is clear, the people want high elves. Why do other servers fail to meet this demand?
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>>538043327
Taken from their forums.
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>>538041804
I heard she had an OF in the past buuuuut well the WoW business is booming and she is a reformed lady of dignity now.
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>>538043423
seen any elves? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Anyone up for comfy kara crypt spam?
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>>538043663
Username?
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>>538043663
Yeah I wrote that as a shitpost 3 threads ago, I 'member that fact
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>>538043929
God, i want to fuck you so hard.
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>>537917486
><Evil> - Turtle WoW, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /wpsg/'s guild
><Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /heals/'s guild (ERP
Is this the reason FMC is dead? Or is it because of Pochies?
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>>538043929
Tribbing this slut
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>only 8k on a friday night
wow, the lawsuit really killed turtle
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>>538044880
Some FMC went on pochie, some on Evil, some in tryhard normie guilds, and some stopped playing.
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Is anyone with a background in WoW development actually impressed with TWoW's "custom zones"? The first time I started running around in one I was really let down by just how lazy and uninspired the Noggit work was. Their gobject decorator guys are also out to lunch. There's so much talent for them to poach from Epsilon...
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>>538046545
The cliffs and hills are very annoying the traverse, the map doesn't show where the roads are.
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>>538046545
Shenna isn't going to pay anybody with actual talent.
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>>538047163
This is because the people who did it have zero idea what they were doing. There were A-grade mappers making better-than-Blizzlike content over a decade ago for servers nobody can even remember the name of.

This is what really depresses me about WoW private development: It's almost entirely bad projects made by foreigners and ideas guys (Azeroth at War), or else scams to defraud people addicted to the Vanilla map (Turtle) and any semblance of normalcy.Ten years ago, we had things like Warmane, but also a lot of really high-concept projects.
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>system message pops about someone dinging 60 HC
>tons of people gratsing in chat
>couple people point out he's on the other faction
>instant 180
>"fuck him"
>"not gratz"
>"he must've cheated"
My fucking sides
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Do you think that is Shenna?
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>>538050137
>3rd left front row
Wood.
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>>538030863
How do you prefer them?
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>>538043327
>belerian 2500
i truly hate these niggers and their retarded ultra normalfag leaders
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>>538052251
God I wish people played female troll more
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>>538041804
please please please
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>>538053859
AI nudify NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOW
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pirogovanid@gmail.com
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She's going places.
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>>538053859
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX PLESE TO CUM TO BOMBAY
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please invite me to <branded>
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my indecisiveness is starting to kick in... do i continue playing my undead warlock because the aesthetics are perfect and i've never played lock? do i keep playing the alliance story for the first time since it's supposed to be good (for an MMO and compared to the horde)? do i play my tauren druid so i can be flexible and find groups easier? do i play something else all together!?
AAAHHHHHHHH SHENNA SAVE ME
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>>538030581
i swear i just saw this reply on another board how often do you wistfully comment on the wrestling incest webm?
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>>538053859
Is that a...
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>>538041804
She looks different in every picture she's in
Are real girls like this I've never met one
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>>538057976
Yes. Add full, casual and no make-up and you have 3 girls. Now some pics have filters, other good light and other from the good angle, and some permutations and that's dozens.
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>>538057976
These pictures are nearly a decade apart. Here's one from 2013.
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>>538056148
probably just a common thought, atleast 2 other people had the same idea but expressed it with different words.
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>>538053762
Females of the Horde are the definition of sex.
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>>538055631
kek
bur even
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>>538041804
>I want to fuck shenna, or at least see her naked.
here's how we do it. join my private military company. we will airdrop into moscow and extract her. blizzard will pay us millions to bring her to justice.
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>>538053859
this shot is killing me
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>just joined a warlock hunting elites
>my resto ass did literally nothing to help because his pet, fear and life drain made all of my resto talents unneeded
It felt like a humiliation ritual, just casting my basic attack spell and dot and doing barely any DPS to help out
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>>538062316
resto druid can solo elites btw. learn your class.
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>>538061554
She looks Asian here.
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>>538046545
Object density through the roof. When you accept the starter quests in the goblin zone you get over 200 objects on the minimap. Custom mobs are all OP compared to blizzards, have to eat/drink so frequently that respawns can trap you.
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>>538063532
resto shaman... ._.
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>>538056148
It was 2 days ago, HERE, in these threads.
>>537732731
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>>538063764
oh, i take that back. travel form + refreshing moonfire is all you need vs. an elite as a druid though.
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>>538040474
What is this realm about? This guy seems more unhinged than Gummy
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healers need buff. these ques of ridiculous
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>downloaded retail wow and join RP server
>orgrimmar filled with humans (evoker) and elves
>no one plays orc,tauren,goblin (darkspear)
>game doesnt feel like world of warcraft
my only fear at the moment is turtle going down and i wasting months lvling my character
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>>538072971
Unhinged? Not sure why people claim that, I've not seen it and I've been in the discord since last year. a new patch released today, with lots of new races and ive been playing as a Mechagnome all morning
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>>538072971
It's a schizoid mish mash of 100 different terrible ideas from dead MMOs that were never worth playing but with a WoW skin over it. The poster you are replying to is Wall himself, he shills his dogshit server like this all the time.
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>>538076715
and yet he is more of a man than you will ever be. how does it feel to be a bitter loser?
>t. not wall
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>>538073023
Can you translate that to English you disgusting subhuman shitskin? Also, go back to classic and rejoin the other brownoids.
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>>538076036
Never too late to join Epsilon WoW, if your goal is RP.
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>>538076956
PS, sorry if you are just some eurotard that was typing too fast. i am on high alert for brown scapegoats to my anger right now.
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>>538076817
Your server is dogshit wall.
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Hey wall, if you want "unforgettable memories" try getting married and starting a family LOL
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Shills are spewing, I'm going to investigate this Wallcraft right now.
Shenna will do life in an American mens jail.
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>>538064771
you run out of mana before the elite runs out of health though
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any idea on how to disable that castbar, or what addon causes it?
its not shagu plates because i disabled it because it was overlapping on top of the cast bar in pic related.
i would like to use just the shaguplates one.
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Now we making dat ma'nie
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>>538079768
holy sheeeit nigga u got dem stacks
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>>538080354
Nobody is even buying my black lotus'

;_;
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>>538080792
his ai gens are good
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wow this post really called out wpsg!
yet another L for fmc, mop furries like khazar milkers, pickles, yarrick, hadrianus, zuluhed etc!
kill all ecelebs and namefags amirite chat?
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>>538080852
So? I thought we're "art" only. Also I feel like if I would gen some midgets or blue haitians with tusks you'd change your tune.
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>>538080792
I think you have me mistaken for someone else, anon. I'm just the guy talking about Epsilon WoW all the time.
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>>538081078
no because the artstyle you rip off just sucks
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>>538081172
You don't like anime? That and I used a lot of different artstyles famalam.
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>>538080792
>Retarded? The only "rivals" are maybe humans and orcs, if you consider lore.
that's blatantly false, if you consider lore. dwarves and trolls, for starters. orc-niggers are brand new to the lore, so everyone is their rival, other than old-world established niggers (trolls).
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>>538081607
>dwarves and trolls
How so? Not at the time of WoW or at the end of Warcraft 3. Most trolls have become merely a nuisance, rather than a threat or a rival.
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>>538081738
arathi highlands. vanilla wow lore is 100% cannon by now, btw.
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>>538081738
also elves vs trolls. this is a major storyline, yes? since elves are kind of like white people and trolls are the african monkeys that we evolved from. this is official lore.
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>>538082647
***sorry, meant the hinterlands. basically, it's lore that trolls are disgusting niggers and no one likes them.
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>>538082647
>>538083054
I'm not sure you know what rival means. A rival needs to be someone that is somewhat equal to you. The trolls are spread around into tiny corners of the world. By your logic the goblins are the trolls biggest rivals since they hand the players quests to hunt trolls.
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>>538076817
>>538077445
>>538077451
>>538077652
been playing it most of the morning an its been a very smooth and enjoyable experience. The combat particularly feels great, very responsive for vanilla standards. Vanilla usually bores me but I can see the PVP being really good here.

Favorite thing so far is the Vrykul Druid forms
>pic related
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>>538080852
I deleted my post, I really should not pick fights like this and escalate things. Its very unnecessary.
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>>538084186
good idea
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>>538084185
Looks like shit
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you guys are dickheads, you told me prot warrior was shit but it's way fucking better for levelling. shield slam does as much damage as mortal strike with the whirlwind axe except it costs 20 rage instead of 30 with a shorter cd and gives a guaranteed block which refunds 5 rage too. conc blow being free and even generating 10 rage is absolutely goated, that combined with imp revenge makes you stunlock like crazy.
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>>538085794
Anon 90% of the warrior posts are made by people that don't play the game...
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>>538085878
and the shield slam damage is in defensive stance with some random dogshit green shield I picked up. I'm literally doing more damage with this setup as prot than I was as arms with whirlwind axe. shouldn't have even bothered getting that piece of shit axe.
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>>538085794
>>538086089
they're advising you based on a fully progressed server, warrior tank is amazing until later raids come and then gets outshined and becomes a liability
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>>538086426
Yeah warrior threat is really bad once your dps start getting decked in purples. It's amazing how theyve managed to completely break druids and paladins in pretty much all specs but cannot (or will not) address warriors horrid threat scaling problems
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>>538085794
i was tempted to level as protection but was talked out of it even for HC, being a tank i would have thought it would be the best bet to keep everyone alive in dungeons
whats your spec?
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>>538086943
since its just for leveling I avoided all the threat talents in prot, you need to take almost everything else to advance the tree. from here I will just get cruelty and whatever other damage talents
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Leveling a priest feels like a test of will like holy shit this is boring
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>>538089781
is it better as nelf with the access to bows?
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>frost mage blizzard aoe farming was nerfed, doesn't slowdown enough anymore to effectively keep enemies in the damage field

>paladin aoe farming left untouched
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>>538089817
bows are a meme
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>>538086943
Cruelty and imp tclap first, rest into prot. Parry is nice too and tac mastery is a trap, you won't be changing stances and even if you do just spend your rage wisely before you change
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>>538089817
How the fuck should I know. Im new to questing on priest. Picked undead. Cant solo shit, mana contantly drained, wet noodle damage. There's no postives I have seen yet
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>>538090071
welcome newfag. mages can still aoe farm btw.
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The true rivalry is the goblins and gnomes go-kart competition in the Thousand Needles
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>>538090484
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>>538090971
>Swap mana drained for an even more boring rotation
So this is the priest life
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>mfw Bronzebeard name reservations costs 30 DP (10 dollars)
It's basically pocket change, but goddamn Ascension isn't beating the jewry allegations lmao
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>>538091218
it won't be as bad after you get a wand. priests are really good. shadow just got un-nerfed even.
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>>538084328
Sorry, I'm stupid.
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>>538092540
Ascension is mega jewy. For instance, their seasonal realm on normal servers gets a new class leveling book every season, so if you bought one, it won't work on the next season.
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I'm scared to sell enchants because i know anons will recognize me...
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>>538095779
It would be in your vanity items
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>>538096856
Jib...
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>>538043929
whatcha need in there, sis?
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>want to do loremaster title
>no idea which quests are okay to not do, like "find the greenwarden" or fishing or cooking quests
We need WOTLK+ for the cheevo system.
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>>538098491
>WOTLK+
would be goated honestly, I have been wanting that for a long time. scale all the vanilla and tbc endgame content to level 80 and remove the wotlk welfare gear systems.
t b h I would be okay with cutting out tbc entirely leaving only vanilla and wotlk content but I think that's very unlikely.
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has eos for turtle been announced yet
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>>538098491
Everything count except repeatable. Also, need to be able to pick them up for them to count. If you do some profession quests then abandon the profession, they won't count anymore.
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>>538099280
>and remove the wotlk welfare gear systems.
I have been wondering why no one has done this since I started playing private servers over 10 years ago. So many of the long running popular servers are wotlk but in a totally stock 3.3.5 state, meaning literally every piece of pre-ICC wotlk content is worthless.
even just changing 5 mans to only give the lowest level badges would mostly solve that problem, but still no one does it.
warmane has been running 10 years now as an ICC simulator, literally the only thing anyone runs is ICC and voa. totally baffling.
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Timbermaw Hold looks kino, might be a 10man raid now.
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>>538099280
>>538099639
A WOTLK+ should have azjol'nerub as a zone like planned.
Tier 7 should be TOC as the opening Kara like raid with the tournament rewarding blues instead of welfare epics and Utgarde/Nexus as raids (Rework Malygos into being the final boss of Nexus)
Tier 8 Old Kingdom raid, Tier 9 ICC and Tier 10 Ulduar.
Removing the fart bosses in ICC to be replaced with a Nerubian wing and have the ice spiral stairs as the walk up to the Lich King.
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>>538101146
Also Gundrak Citadel between tier 9 and 10 for catch up gear like ZA/ZG.
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>>538101146
>ice spiral stairs as the walk up to the Lich King.
I never thought about that before but I remember that from the wc3 cinematic. why would they not include this
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>>538101436
Why would Arthas leave stairs to easily access his throne.
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>>538101146
>(Rework Malygos
damn I forgot about this. vehicle bullshit really is the cancer infesting wotlk. you would have to gut all of it except for maybe flame leviathan and wintergrasp. remove strand of the ancients entirely since it's the worst bg ever made.
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>elaynna is still being a retard in these threads
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now this is how you play world of warcraft
if you dont pvp like this and listen to this music you arent a real gamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSMk-vwMB9w
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plappin shenna until i can no longer think
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The progress up to Wrath of the Lich King +

Alliance
>Humans (Vanilla)
>Dwarves (Vanilla)
>Gnomes (Vanilla)
>High Elves (Vanilla)
>Wildhammer Dwarves (BC)
>Vrykul (wotlk)

Horde
>Orcs (Vanilla)
>Jungle Trolls (Vanilla)
>Tauren (Vanilla)
>Goblins (Vanilla)
>Ogres (Vanilla)
>Forest Trolls (Vanilla)
>Mok’nathal (BC)
>Mag’har (BC)
>Taunka (wotlk)

Forsaken
>Undead Humans (Vanilla)
>Undead Elves (Vanilla)
>Leper Gnomes (BC)
>Nerubian Crypt Fiends (wotlk)

Night Elves
>Night Elves
>Dryad (BC)
>Keeper of the Grove (BC)
>Green Drakonid (wotlk)

New Classes
>Tinker (Potion Doctor | Sapper | Steam Warrior)
>Runemaster
>Dark Ranger (Forsaken Exclusive)
>Death Knight (Forsaken Exclusive)
>Demon Hunter (Night Elf Exclusive)
>Paladin (Alliance Exclusive)
>Holy & Discipline Priest specs (Alliance Exclusive)
>Unholy & Necromancer Priest specs (Forsaken Exclusive)
>Witch Doctor Priest spec (Horde Exclusive)
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>>538109178
I AM FORSAKEN
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>>538109979
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>>538109178
Why not have a Priestess of the Moon spec for Night Elves
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>>538109178
honestly I use to see people bring it up back in the day, do you think 3 factions would have worked like WC3?
I know daoc was booming back then but I feel like it would have just had population issues later down the road.
But I always enjoy a third party gank in pvp games that allow it
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I feel like at every opportunity blizz dropped the ball with wow.
The games story was basically established through the rts, and deviation from that just to subvert expectations for the sake of subversion was annoying as fuck.
I dont care how they fudged the lore to make it work. Blood elves joining horde was retarded, the horde had killed a bunch of high elves previously and the forsaken are too scourge-like. And the space goats, fuckin ass pull. Alliance should have had High Elves, horde should have had ogres. To this day the two most obvious races still arent playable.
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>>538110576
4 Factions could work.
Depends on how its implemented.
World PvP is probably where it matters most, might be cool to have all those opportunities for conflict.
For BG's youd probably have to allow forsaken to party up with horde and night elves with alliance.
Arenas should be open to any faction combo. Like mercenaries or gladiators, not really loyal to a faction just to themselves and survival.
Dungeons could probably be faction restricted.
Raids would probably need the BG pairing.
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>>538110447
Well, the idea was necromancer & unholy specs would just be cosmetic and visual adjustments to holy & discipline. I guess necromancy and unholy would heal forsaken team mates functionally the same.
Then Witch Doctor would be a cosmetic and visual adjustment for horde priests. So instead of healing with holy magic it would be like spirits and ancestors type shit.
Basically a reskinning of specs with the few odd original spells or something.
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>>538110874
>Blood elves joining horde was retarded, the horde had killed a bunch of high elves previously and the forsaken are too scourge-like.
You need to play wc3 again man
I agree with the rest though
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>>538111806
>You need to play wc3 again man
The greatest misconception in Warcraft is that the Frozen Throne Curse of the Blood Elves Campaign has anything to do with the Alliance or Blood Elves of WoW.
The Humans in that campaign are remnants of Lordaeron under Garithos' command, not the Alliance of Stormwind that was founded after the events of WC3.
The Blood Elves are Kael'Thas followers who left Quel'Thalas, not the Silvermoon Remnants who stayed behind that we see in WoW. The Blood Elves we played as in WC3 are the ones we killed in TBC.
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No server will be able to come close to turtle until they start adding high elves.
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>>538111926
How can someone be so wrong so confidently, play it again faggot.
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>>538112091
Explain how I am wrong
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During the Second War, the Orcs' campaign against the High Elves was in the northern borderlands, burning down areas of Quel'Thalas.
Why the fuck would the elves join the horde, especially with the forsaken apart of it after the scourge dead scared their homelands. I get their separate factions but i mean youre probably absolutely done with the undead of all sorts after that.
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so how trash is bronzebead going to be for someone who doesn't enjoy WoW past a vanilla to WotLK playstyle? i saw it has a lot of slop shit like mythic + and retail shit
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>level shaman and get full prebis as enhance on ambershire but kind of lost the enjoyment of the class.
>have urge to level prot paladin and get it to 48 to play with friends
>now that I don't want to level past friends on the paladin getting the urge to make a shadow priest
help
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Blood Elves only make sense as a playable race if Illidari is an additional playable faction.
>Blood Elves
>Naga
>Man'ari Eredar
>Broken
>Fel Orcs
>Satyrs
>Nightelf Demon Hunters
It would be a dope faction.
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>>538113094
>Blood Elves only make sense as a playable race if Illidari is an additional playable faction.
See >>538111926
With that said, I would have loved Illidari as a third faction. It was by far my favorite faction in WC3 since you could play Blood Elves and Naga. I played the mission in outland where you had to close the portals over and over again.
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>>538113094
I will now play your game.
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>>538113636
You can play them in retail
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>>538113248
The blood elves named themselves "blood elves" to honor the countless High Elves who died during the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas.
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>>538113854
I'm aware, how does that refute any point made?
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A reimagined TBC where (among other changes) we get Illidari as a third faction has been a dream of mine since vanilla.
They had more than enough races and their own faction-specific class to warrant being their own faction.
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>>538113636
draenei attract so many mentally ill troons who turn them into off model futa monsters so hell no

give us ogres
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>>538113885
Murlocs speak Nerglish, a language shared by the Makrura.
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>>538113094
Belves make sense because the plot of the game has long advanced beyond Warcraft 1 and 2

I know it must be hard to understand for tranillers
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I don't care if horde get belves, I just want WOTLK+ to have helves.
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>>538112127
>>538111926
>The Humans in that campaign are remnants of Lordaeron under Garithos' command, not the Alliance of Stormwind that was founded after the events of WC3.
True but irrelevant, their allies are still the same dwarves and high elves. They're a different human kingdom but they're still regular goofy ass humans in the eyes of other races. It's not like there's that much difference between them compared to some others like Stormgarde or shit, Gilneas. Lordaeron certainly weren't racist faggots, it was mostly Garithos who just came to leadership by total dumb luck, and he fucked them over good.
>The Blood Elves are Kael'Thas followers who left Quel'Thalas, not the Silvermoon Remnants who stayed behind that we see in WoW. The Blood Elves we played as in WC3 are the ones we killed in TBC.
This is just make believe bullshit, It's the same fucking Quel'thalas, same fucking people living in same geography, Kael'thas was still the prince. They got fucked by Arthas, undead high elves became scourge and some later forsaken and Kael'thas just took a lot of the survivors on a power hungry quest, shit didn't work out and a part of them said adios in TBC.
And about the blood elves joining the horde and forsaken, you do know forsaken is/was led by the fucking former R A N G E R G E N E R A L of WHAT? Certainly not fucking orc breeding huts.
They hate humans more because of Garithos fucking them over royally than the "undead" because scourge was controlled by Arthas, who was the crown prince of FUCKING WHAT? Forsaken however are led by their former ranger general and also include their families, families who regained their free will. So thats - for humans + for forsaken overall
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The forsaken shouldn't be part of the horde.
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>>538116549
>This is just make believe bullshit
No it isn't, some with with Kael'Thas and some stayed behind. The playable ones are the ones who stayed behind and the ones who left were the ones in Outland with Kael'Thas.
I don't think them allying with Forsaken is that crazy due to Sylvanas leading the faction, but Trolls and Orcs? Come on now, they have been sworn enemies with Trolls for thousands of years and the Orcish invasion is still fresh on people's minds. The beginning missions are even based around this conflict before the Cult of the Damned start acting.
And let's not avoid the obvious, the lore bent to suit what the devs wanted. They wanted a "pretty" race on the Horde so they bent the lore to have Blood Elves join the Horde.
If I remember correctly in early alphas for WoW (like prototype level builds still using the WC3 engine) they even had High Elves instead of Night Elves in the Alliance.
It would be idiocy to sever racial ties that span over thousands of years because one racist leader.
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>>538117179
>If I remember correctly in early alphas for WoW (like prototype level builds still using the WC3 engine) they even had High Elves instead of Night Elves in the Alliance.
total bullshit and zero evidence of this existing at all
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>>538117179
The playable Trolls are Jungle Trolls, which are not the same as the Forest Trolls that the High Elves fought.
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>>538117423
Not that anon, but you can see a High Elf in the lower left.
Source: it was tweeted by Dave Wilson who worked on the game.
https://x.com/gopherstick/status/607593223758868480
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>>538117518
>The playable Trolls are Jungle Trolls
Yes I am fully aware, if your argument is that they will generalize humans after thousands of years of cooperation based on one mans actions they they would certainly generalize all trolls by thousands of years of warfare with forest trolls
>>538117423
see >>538112091
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>>538117713
>they would certainly generalize all trolls by thousands of years of warfare with forest trolls
But they don't. Instead they recognize Jungle Trolls are different. Humans are Humans.
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>>538117656
doesn't mean high elf was in place over night elf just means they reused a WC3 asset to test proof of concept bullshit
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>>538117852
>But they don't
Yes, they have inconsistent writing due to the devs wanting to bend the lore to get a pretty looking race into the Horde in TBC
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>>538110874
>and the forsaken are too scourge-like
In appearance, sure. But they're also Quel'Thalas's neighbors, and the Forsaken's leader is the former Ranger General with a number of former High Elves following her. Wanting to make nice with your only direct neighbor who also has close ties to you isn't without sense. Even if a number of High Elves hate undead because of the scourge, it's strategically sound to ally yourself with the one directly next to you, especially when that one was one of your own who only parted because of uncontrollable circumstances. It's not like the Alliance was a terribly appealing option either.
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>>538117912
It's possible, but why not use a Night Elf unit to test with if that was the intention then?
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>>538118032
Same reason literally uther is in that same shot because they used random ass assets to test whatever
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>>538117940
Or human beings in the real world aren't entirely consistent with their prejudices.
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>>538118102
You can argue that it's a placeholder, but the claim that they had High Elves in an early alpha for WoW that used the WC3 engine is still entirely correct.
>>538118207
I'm not speculating, I am giving you the devs reason for adding Blood Elves to the Horde according to them. It was to balance the faction populations by giving the Horde a pretty looking race.
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>>538118338
I'm not denying that the dev didn't have other reasons for adding blood elves to the game, just that "their prejudices are inconsistent" is consistent with how prejudices work in the real world. Human beings are complicated and everyone is a hypocrite in some fashion.
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Some faggot used his mount to block my view of a flower so his boyfriend could get it so I /ignored him.
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>>538119384
cry little sister
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The recent Turtle lawsuit has me wondering why there haven't been any new games made using TrinityCore or similar? The only one I can think of is Shinobi Story but that's a WotLK mod. Surely it's not crazy difficult to make a new client in Unity or something? Obviously the scripting is all tailored to WoW but that's only a fraction of the server code.
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>>538119647
For the same reasons Turtle Wow didn't make a new IP: because nobody gives a dick if it isn't WoW or some other popular IP. Even Shinobi Story was Naruto, which is why it got shut down. That and lack of talent.
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>>538119384
Out fucking played.
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>actually managed to get one of my favorite song names as my priest alt's name
For once I'm glad I've only met a few other people who're into Circa Survive
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I don't know what it is but competing with other players for nodes is so fucking fun.
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>>538119384
I think the only person I've kept on my ignore list is a cunt who joined a dungeon group and then left halfway through because he was tired. He was the healer. Fuck that guy.
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These private servers and their 3rd world populations are making me long for the days of retail. I don't wanna play with Russians and Bulgarians and South Americans.
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>Join guild
>it’s ran by a group of friends
>loot rules SR plus loot council on “highly sought loot”
Should I go ahead and save myself the trouble and gquit?
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>>538118625
Inconsistent is an understatement when Elves and Humans worked together for THOUSANDS of years and Trolls and Elves were in brutal conflict for THOUSANDS of years.
This isn't a generational bond, it is an ancient bond that was severed because ONE guy? He treated the Dwarfs like shit as well and you don't see them turning their backs on the Alliance.
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>>538119384
I had people on Tauri blocking my fishing pools for several weeks on the STV fishing event just so his friend could win it. Herbs are no big deal, bruv.
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Bronze...Beard....
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>>538120267
High Elves weren't that friendly with humans. They turned their backs on the humans during the First War, letting them get ORCED. Then they only helped in the Second War because the Horde brought the war right to their doorstep, and even that ends with them officially abandoning the Alliance. By the Third War, the only High Elves that really help the humans are priests on a humanitarian mission, and sorceresses who are agents of the Kirin Tor. The idea that High Elves and humans were buddy buddy isn't present in Warcraft lore.
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>>538121167
>The idea that High Elves and humans were buddy buddy isn't present in Warcraft lore.
They weren't best friends but they were allies, even if they had rocky times.
That is still leagues ahead of their level of diplomacy with the Trolls or Orcs.
I could see them remaining neutral in the faction conflict but joining the Horde is clearly a stretch. If they treat their allies of millennia the way they do you think they would just let bygones be bygones with the Horde races?
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>>538104039
How can I be retarded?I don't play ret
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>several bad bugs not being fixed on Twow since news of lawsuit
It’s over
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If you don't make a new thread quickly I will make it a thread about my main. You have been warned.
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>>538122162
>>538122162
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>>538121774
The horde races are all on the other continent save the undead, with whom they have a number of kin in. Did the Blood Elves join with the Horde, or did the Blood Elves join with the undead (and by extension the Horde)? Imagine:
>like 80-90% of your population is dead or undead
>your territory is Fucked
>your capital is fucked
>scourge remnants are still at your doorstep
The one saving grace of the situation is that your former military commander has now started a new faction on the other side of the scourge forces from you, and with her are a number of your people's friends and family. Sure, some/many won't recognize the connection and hate the undead, but others won't, and that doesn't diminish the value in capitalizing on those ties to help resecure your territory.
Alternatively, if the Blood Elves joined the Alliance, the undead become enemies. Your former Ranger General is a hostile who well knows the exact situation of your lands, and your people would likely (even if not immediately) once more fight the living corpses of loved ones.

I don't understand why this shit seems to go unacknowledged. I'm certainly not a lorefag, so there's probably something I never saw or paid attention to that explained why these things don't matter.
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>>538122262
If we already agree that they don't act rationally and have hubris related to other races, they would at the very least remain neutral out of pride rather than side with their killers of many conflicts.
It seems like you are applying a sort of prideful, grudge bearing hubris to them when it comes to their interactions with the Alliance but then granting them a pragmatic, almost humble, acceptance of needing allies in those they have fought for their entire history old and new.
That is why it is considered inconsistent writing and lore bending by many.
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>>538122468
>It seems like you are applying a sort of prideful, grudge bearing hubris to them when it comes to their interactions with the Alliance
What are you talking about? I barely mentioned the Alliance in my post. I'm not the same guy you were replying to. It just seems like some very strong reasons for the Blood Elves joining the Horde have been mostly ignored throughout the discussion, and I don't really get why. Neither the Horde nor Alliance seem like great choices, but the Blood Elves obviously needed to make one. There were going to be disincentives no matter what they went with.
>almost humble, acceptance of needing allies in those they have fought for their entire history old and new.
I get that this was probably mostly meant for the other guy, but all I was saying was that the rest of the Horde was mostly a continent away, out of sight and out of mind. Meanwhile, the only faction (subfaction) they might be able to build a decent connection with is right next door to them. Also, the consequences of aligning themselves opposite the undead are potentially severe.
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>>538119834
>nobody gives a dick if it isn't WoW
That's not true, folks are always itching for a new game to dick around in. It's just that modern MMOs always have cash shops and other bullshit that kills them right out of the gate.
>That and lack of talent.
Probably this.
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