Remember that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. Report and ignore shitposters that only spam and argue in bad faith./ffg/ spam filter: https://pastebin.com/SJ1sb9r0>General Info on Final Fantasyhttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com>What version should I play?http://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLsIQEGj-E>Final Fantasy Tactics: The Ivalice Chronicleshttps://youtu.be/JRIElEOQa4c?si=d0hEChixTBdlYy_w>Final Fantasy XVI Infohttps://na.finalfantasyxvi.com>Launch Trailer "Salvation"https://youtu.be/_CrV3hkJuvs>DLChttps://youtu.be/RecsFD6SWfchttps://youtu.be/aveDvd66clk>PC Trailerhttps://youtu.be/LBqpFlA_4Is>Final Fantasy VII Rebirthhttps://youtu.be/WgdkN2tCAFw>Final Trailerhttps://youtu.be/Q56cRDseTG>Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisishttps://youtu.be/afTX-30KkaE>Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omniahttps://www.youtube.com/@DFFOperaOmnia>Final Fantasy Brave Exvius: War of the Visionshttps://pastebin.com/1yvynbW8>Final Fantasy Brave Exviushttps://pastebin.com/mwANP4fD>Final Fantasy XIhttp://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtmlPrevious thread: >>537657684
XVI is STILL a terrible game.
XVI is a gay game.
Some people really need to figure out that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. You don't have to go out of your way to remind everyone every time it comes up, and argue with anyone who does like it.
>>538112298BASED FIRST POST BEST POST
As long as no one makes negative remarks about Nomura, Kitase, Hamaguchi, Toriyama, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy XIII, Lightning, or Remake, we will be fine.
FFXVI is the best one.Its 10/10 quality lives rent-free in the minds of shitposters far and wide.Undoubtedly, it will stand the test of time as a fondly remembered Final Fantasy.
What morale can we extract from last thread?
If VIIR does it, it's okay.If XVI does it, it's not okay.
Before you make negative remarks about Yoshida, XIV, or XVI, I want you to remember that Naoki Yoshida is a human being.
>>538112298FPBP
>>538112543...that ruined the FF franchise
>>538112530>moraleMorale? None whatsoever. Only the zest for the downfall of their bogeymen held by people who hate Final Fantasy and want to see it fail. Moral? Well, I think the moral is that one bad apple ruins the bunch. Unfortunately, the bad apple thinks everyone else is the bad apple.
>>538112657Sadly true.
>>538110086>And I can confront any shitposter if I'm with Lightning, the strongest Heroine...Holy basedola. I kneel. Remaster imminent.
>>538112657Grim, but it has to be said.
>>538112748cringe
>>538112657This
>>538011375The best part of this image is how effortlessly Claire mogs the plastic pretenders on the rightLike they look fine or whatever, I like them both. But it's just no contest.
>>538112657*Savedand continues to saveWithout him you faggots would be playing gacha spinoffs cashing in on memberberries foreverYou wouldn't even have your precious 7Rslop if XIV didn't fund the whole project
Gays and tranny people tend to project their mental disorders outward. This is due to their unconscious anxiety about their identity, methinks. Deep down their mind understands that its host is sick, so it activates the host's defense mechanism through projection, trying to create such a picture of perception so that the "patient" thinks that the world around is not hostile to they/them, as if they/them have a place in this world. Many misunderstandings in the status of Final Fantasy characters are related to this. For example, nothing in Faris arc strictly indicates that she is a lesbian or a trans person, but for the mentally ill she is an idol and they constantly bring up her in conversation when talking about woke elements in the games of the series. Another example is how Vanille and Fang were made into lesbian icons, although they, unlike some, did not kiss on camera and nothing in the game script clearly indicates their orientation. Another and most telling example is bros from XV, and I doubt that it needs to be explained. These people confuse sincere feeling of sisterhood, or true friendship, with their mental erotic disorders. The main characters of Final Fantasy have always been about the first and second, and never about the third. The only exception is XVI. I am very worried about this change.
>>538112748What color are Lightning's panties?
>>538112657The Yoshida Cultist is going to have a meltdown over this, but you're correct.
>>538113095You can't reason these cultists. They're literally obsessed.
>>538113105You are correct
Hopefully Kitase will be fired/retire soon and Hamaguchi sent to gacha prison
>>538113105Meanwhile VIIR has Cloud going tranny, but I don't see the Final Fantasy House bringing this up, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
>>538113352see >>538112531The same goes for Nomura and Kitase.
>>538113413That explains why this worrisome cult shits irrationally on everything in XVI but gives VIIR a free pass, despite its troonification of the most famous FF protagonist.
>>538113352I'm personally willing to forgive anything as long as Yoshida isn't involved.
This thread sucks.
>>538113539Just like any modern FF game
>>538113494...anything?
>>538113105>The only exception is XVI. I am very worried about this change.We must stand firm against this menace at all costs.>>538113129It's already going into the night.>>538113110>What color are Lightning's panties?Gulp.....claret red
>>538113095>continues to save>dawntrail>just announced that 7.3 onward would be a new starting point for the way they make the game>immediately turns around and makes the next step of the relic weapon more tomestome grinding slop that we already got our fill of in endwalker
>>538113352If the 7R cultists didn't have those double standardsthey wouldn't have any standards at all.I guess that's why they slurp up the DEI Ubisoft slop and ask for more
Not a regular here. Going to replay Zodiac Age on Steam. I read the pastebin and didn't really find any new info for XII. The bin doesn't mention the Steam version but I'm assuming it's just the PS4 version based on the listed features.I know there's a few gripes with that version but I just can't remember what they are. Obviously I'm going to play with JP audio. What mods should I install? Hoping to maximize sovl.
>>538113539Better than XVI, at least.
>>538113691The pastebin is ancient but PedOOP won't replace it. Steam version with Struggle for Freedom mod.
>>538113691Blame the local shitposter. Someone made an updated pastebin but out resident shitposter didn't like it because there was a tiny joke reference in there somewhere so he scrapped the whole thing.
>>538113310>>538113352>>538113413>>538113479>>538113494>>538113591>it was an FFVII shitpost the whole timeColor me surprised. Not. I've seen this song and dance a million times before.>>538113691OP's pastebin is a decade old.Check out this one with most every major title.https://pastebin.com/CN4a45nR
>>538113691Except for the French translation being awful, I don't remember any big complain about Zodiac Age over vanilla FFXII.Maybe something about the spheres grid?
>>538113095>cashing in on memberberries forever...Nothing would really change then?
>>538113660>more tomestome grinding slop that we already got our fill of in endwalkerThis is an incredibly disingenuous thing to say. Endwalker was *only* Tomestones, and people were understandably upset (or pleased) with this. The first Dawntrail step took me way longer to finish than I thought it would, so I'm glad I only have to do it once. The second step is bullshit because it's roulettes rather than OC, but I'm also glad I don't need to do it every single time. Ideally, it would have been something to do with Forked Tower, but I think they avoided that due to the controversy surrounding it being unqueueable.
>>538113352>Meanwhile VIIR has Cloud going trannyAs a person, as a human being, he has nothing to do with your wet dreams. His emotional reactions to the cross-dressing situation perfectly show that he doesn't like it. His attitudes towards women and his male friends perfectly show that he is a completely normal person without erotic mental illness, ready to support a male friend at the right moment (as he does in the scene with barret in Rebirth) and ready to kiss a woman if he sees the need for it and wants it himself.This judgment of yours only confirms my hypothesis, unfortunately: some mentally unhealthy people see some weird eroticism where there is nothing but a silly joke of writers at best.Very sad state of affairs.
>>538113892You don't understand.FFXIV monthly subscription MMO memberberry goodFFVII Remake project AAA single player RPG memberberry bad.
>>538114003>AI slopMan, the cult is really desperate to defend their shitty game.
>>538113892>>538114013I thought the narrative is that cultists don't play Final Fantasy. How would they even know who this is?
>>538113352Cloud reluctantly disguises himself as a woman to save the woman he cares about. Not the same thing.
>>538114115People who are knowledgeable about yoshida hate yoshida.People who are ignorant about yoshida like yoshida.
>>538113892XIV has unique stories though, it just carefully references FF.
>>538113660>corpospeak>blahblahblah>"we aren't changing anything please understand"Yoshida needs to shit or get off the pot
>>538114117I literally never set foot in that place you posted, meaning it's not mandatory to save Tifa. Meaning Cloud went in there on his own.So he really is a tranny.
>>538113892You can tell this one hurt him bad, he usually doesn't deflect as quickly.
>>538113707Niot a high bar
>>538114175You keep parroting this but you're not knowledgeable at all.I know everything there is to know about Yoshida and I still like him.
>>538114236I skipped the cutscene where Dion kisses Terrence, therefore it didn't happen and Dion isn't gay. :)
>>538114331>Niot a high barCringe larper.
>>538114081>FFVII is a shitty game!Wow....the cult going mask off at full force tonight.What happened? Oh yeah....Claire was featured in an FFVII EC crossover
>>538114175Your made up, incorrect adage does not logically fit as a response, anon. I asked you to reconcile the narrative that XIV players don't play Final Fantasy games with the narrative that it is memberberries. I'm not disagreeing with you. Obviously a game full of homages and references to Final Fantasy would be in some capacity selling memberberries, which is also what Remake is also doing. I'm just asking you how you reconcile your narrative that XIVfags don't play Final Fantasy with your other narrative that they only play it for memberberries.
>>538114175This
>fatherless interrupts a VII discussion to make it about ximMan, growing up without a father really made it thin-skinned. Now, even the lack of attention struck xim nerves...
>>538114385*7R and Rebirth are okay games. They are shitty because they tarnish a classic.VII is a great game.
>>538114354I skipped every cutscene with Clive and Jill.Clive died a virgin.
Man, still going. And all of this because yesterday someone said Remake was a 7/10 and asked other people what they thought of it. I still don't understand how or why they started melting down about Kitase. VII cultists are really insecure, huh?
>>538114175Based and true. Unfortunately, Yoshi-P is a compulsive liar.
>>538114549In FFVII, Cloud reluctantly disguises himself as a woman to save the woman he cares aboutIn FFVIIR, Cloud reluctantly disguises himself as a woman to save the woman he cares aboutIn the original game, you could flirt with Don Corneo, but in FFVIIR Cloud only insults Corneo and basically mocks him for being a literal homosexual degenerate.
>>538114687I mean, they genuinely believed they were reincarnations of the game's characters, so...VIIRgins are really insane.
>>538114554FFXVI is the most heterosexual game in the series and the first to show actual sex having male and female couples naked.Something the anti-Yoshi conveniently forgets. The previous record sex-haver is Boko.
>>538114687This might seem as an attempt to change topics, but I need to say it : Nomura should be burned at the stake for these fucking boots.
>>538114785They didn't have sex, they just hugged nakedly.
>>538114870Cope.
>>538114003You've done some serious damage, partner. FFVII shitposters are circling the drain.
>>538113129Fraid so. They're gonna cry about VII throughout the entire thread, sadly.
>>538114785I skipped that cutscene therefore it never happened. Try again sweety. :)
Only a VIIRgin could melt down for multiple days over a post that didn't praise Remake enough.
>>538114785Based and Kweh'd
>FFXVI is the most heterosexual game in the series
>>538114870> they just hugged nakedlyJust like Barnabas with Ultima...Oh...no...our narrative...
>>538114785>Something the anti-Yoshi conveniently forgets.The Yoshidahater is a very forgetful person.>>538115081Oh no no no, you struck the fatherless' nerves!Now xe's going to rage even more and follow with xis self-humiliation ritual!
>>538115182lol
>The thread always, always comes to life with activity the moment I arrive and say something positive like "FF games are good games actually, and the developers who make them are talented and I respect their work">Naoki Yoshida is not an FF developer however. He's a corporate figurehead. So....
Playing FFXIII, why is Lightning so insufferable. Am I meant to find her sympathetic? She's a complete bitch to everyone around her, all I want is see her get a good rape and get broken.
>>538115420>The thread comes alive when I shitpost and baitbrilliant observation
>>538115182>Press R1 for Cinematic Cuddle>Mash the Square button to Tongue Wrestle with TerranceSomething ain't right over at CS3.
>>538115551Now you know why we all hate XIII. You won't find a single person here genuinely liking this piece of shit.It's a linear piece of shit with doormat characters letting Lightning walk on them because she's the corrupt producer's waifu.FFXIII is LITERALLY the twinkle twinkle nora rock me of Final Fantasy.
This thread still sucks.
>>538115420Yeah, you tend to walk into the thread, make seething, scathing shitpost replies to a few posts that upset you, then you start posting Lightning and saying "lol looks like the cultists are melting down about Lightning again!" but what actually happened is you made a few shitposts and then you ignore every post that calls you on your bullshit, which almost always involves that thing you do where you clearly reply to a specific post, but you don't link to that post. It's your calling card, if you will. Hope that clears things up.
>>538115551Play till the end. You will see her true nature as a person. Not everything that seems to be at first glance is actually true.
>>538115551Can I interest you in a Toblerone?
>>538115831And also that fatherless "forget" the many discussions that happens whenever it's not shitposting here to forget how he failed to sell his WoW gold.
>>538115782Nah, you get to enjoy the latest heroine meltdown.>>538115831Lol, looks like the cultists are melting down about Lightning AGAIN!
>>538115551The cast of XIII is easily the most unlikeable cast of any Final Fantasy game. Lightning is especially offensive because she's just a cunty girlboss. She's the original pink haired raging feminist. I don't know if you're supposed to like her or not, but disliking her is quite normal. Back before the Lightning avatarfag showed up, everyone universally agreed that XIII was shit. Now that XIII is being used to shitpost about XVI, the shitposter(s) likes it.
>>538115714Oh she's the producer's favourite, that's why she's such a bitch. Makes sense.>>538115835>Play till the endlol no, this game is trash. Fuck off, cultist.
>>538115831Bullseye. You struck a nerve, the fatherless is really, really angry.
I like how the literal shitposting cultists immediately dogpiled on an FFXIII samefag from the fatherless spammerJump from VII to XIII to XV shitposts all you want......XVI still stinks.
>>538115835I did. It sucked mega ass. >>538115980This.
>>538115942I'm telling you, the show we'll see on the day the Remaster is announced will be unforgettable. It will be the most spectacular meltdown in /ffg/ history.
>>538116134>the fatherless is really, really angryIndeed, it is...It's even back to its usual "r-r-r-remake soon" cope, lmao.
None of this would have happened if Kevin Nash wasn't raped in the summer of 1992.
>>538116164>I like how the literal shitposting cultists immediately dogpiled onmeant for >>538112657
>>538115980>Back before the Lightning avatarfag showed upWhich one? The one spamming poems, or the current fatherless loser who tried to impersonate him and failed pathetically?
>>538116190>I did. It sucked mega ass. Ah, then you should know that Lightning is not really a girlboss bitch at all, but a very caring, empathetic, emotionally fragile, sentimental, a little bit silly and hypocritical, but feminine person.Nice job anon!
>>538116164'fraid so
>>538116194>I'm telling you, the show we'll see on the day the Remaster is announced will be unforgettable. It will be the most spectacular meltdown in /ffg/ history.You're doing it again, Lightning avatarfag. Remember when you made shitposts for your bogeyman about how upset you think he would be able Remake being announced for Switch? And then no one was upset? People hate (You), not XIII. People generally do not regard XIII in high esteem because its characters all suck, but people don't hate XIII, that hate (You). No one is going to care if and when a Remaster Trilogy gets released. Quite frankly, it's needed, because that shit doesn't even work correctly on PC.
>>538116194I think this is what has gotten him so riled up in the last few months. The signs are everywhere, and it's causing his schizophrenia to become uncontrollable.>>538116279>1992>in my /ffg//pw/ is the most shitposty board on this entire website lmfaoNaoki Yoshida was raped in the scintillating fragrant spring of 2025
>>538116450...did you even play the fucking game?!? Nothing you said ever happens in the game.
I'd rather just discuss Fran if its all the same.
>>538116550I liked the part of FFXII where she did absolutely nothing.
>>538116507>>538116279>>1992>>in my /ffg/>/pw/What am I missing here? Why is this something that the biggest shitposters on /ffg/ know about but that I don't know about?
Tifa!
>>538116450Please don't feed that troll. It's the fatherless spammer false flagging. Observe the plan
>>538116503That fatherless always does that. It comes in a peaceful thread, shitposts, and then cries about being told to fuck off. He needs to be a victim so much that he actively antagonizes innocent people.
The Viera look better in XIV.
>>538116635>best TifaECfags are eating good. >>538116739Why are you doing another falseflag, Lightning avatarfag? No one thinks that. The Viera in XIV are just humans with bunny ears.
>Saying anything positive about XIV is a falseflagInteresting.
>>538116540>Nothing you said ever happens in the game.It absolutely does.
>EVERY SINGLE POST I DON'T LIKE WAS WRITTEN BY LIGHTNING AVATARFAG!! REEEEThe psychosis that occurs when XIII Remaster drops.......Priceless.
>>538116804>Viera in XIV are just humans with bunny earsSo they are not. Don't speak about things you do not know, cretin, you are only embarrassing yourself further.
>>538116739This. XIV >>>>> XII
>>538116882No, Lightning avatarfag. You are saying absolutely ridiculous things that literally no one thinks. >Kate did nothing wrong>Wuk is better than Clive>Dawntrail is better than XVI>XIV Viera look better than real VieraNo one thinks this shit.
>>538116993Is this modded? It looks better than when I played?
I will never lose faith in myself even in the most terrible battle, as long as I am shoulder to shoulder with Lightning, the most caring heroine...
>>538117001>>Wuk is better than Clive>>Dawntrail is better than XVI>>XIV Viera look better than real VieraAll true. Cope harder, shitposter.
>>538117096So in other words, you're a deluded schizophrenic who thinks his waifu is sitting next to him, and who equals a real life fight with an internet argument that you caused.You should really take your meds. They won't bring your father back but they'll soothe your struck nerves.
Absolute dogshit thread. Each and everyone of you should be really ashamed of themselves.
>>538117096One of the very best scenes in the game.We NEED this Remaster to come so that people can actually play the game (for once) and see it for themselvesVery few have ever even gotten that far.
>>538117118Really, really weird falseflag.
>>538116993XIV Viara best Viera
>>538117187I already played it. It was already shit.A remake won't fix Lightning being a mary sue or snow being a victim or shivah being a fucking bike.
>>538117174The only peaceful thread is one that the Lightning avatarfag is not part of. When he's not here, the thread is much slower, but also more peaceful, and people talk about Final Fantasy. With him around, you CANNOT say anything about Remake, at all. You have to just watch him melt down about Yoshida while insists repeatedly that everyone is melting down about Lightning.
>>538117307I fucking love how XIV Viera's ears are drawn. Straight, floppy... They're just cute.
They really are cute.
>>538117187Soon !!!
>>538117162>So in other words, you're a deluded schizophrenic who thinks his waifu is sitting next to him, and who equals a real life fight with an internet argument that you caused.No, I do understand the difference between fantasy and reality, I understand that Lightning is a fantasy character from a video game that has nothing to do with reality, and I did not start any argument. I'm just goofing around a little bit. No idea what you're talking about.
>>538117316Or he's melting down about people calling him the fatherless. Or just using the f-word around.
>>538117316I loved Remake, but I loved Rebirth even more. What about you?Do you want to talk about Remake or do you want to shitpost Remake?Is this going to launch you into a diatribe about how much you hate the game for ruining FFVII? How obsessed you are with mocking "VIIRgins"?You can talk about Remake all you want to. What would you like to talk about? Do you want to pick up the VIIR shitposts from earlier? Don't think that me posting images of Lightning or mocking your shitposts somehow stops you. Keep doing what you do.
>>538117490Need Claire pantsu...
>>538117932The aroma.......5 stars.
>>538117823I wish he understood why his presence is undesired and that if he just wanted to pretend to be a normal person he could maybe even post in a thread where people like him. I don't think he wants that though. I think he wants to be Barry, like I actually think that's who he wants to be.
>>538118175Why are you so obsessed with Paulie anyways?
>>538118175>I wish he understood why his presence is undesiredI think he knows that he's hated, and for some reason, it excites him.
>>538113801>>538113818>>538113836>>538113878Thanks for the replies. What soundtrack do you prefer? There's 3 options. Original, Reorchestrated, and OST.
>>538118287Start with Original.
>>538118287I always try to listen to the original soundtrack as much as possible in any remasterThat one is really up to your own ears, though
>>538118270>and for some reason, it excites him.It really does seem to be that way. I'm starting to think he's not self-aware enough to understand why he's hated, and most of his posts fundamentally hinge on him misunderstanding the situation or the post he's replying to, but I do think that he enjoys being hated. I think that's what drives him. He wants to be hated.
XIII-CHAD is the best poster in this general, tbqh.
>>538118425You'd have to be pretty brain damaged to think that
>>538118425Always was. That's why I follow his lead. You can ask him about any FF game and he will write an answer.Just look at how they all wriggle and squirm at the sight of Lighting. That's all you need to know.
>>538118425No way
>>538118619>he doesn't knowOur guy now.
>>538118758Yeah, I saw it last time you posted it. I also used to be the only person who defended XIII here before you commandeered it for your shitpost shtick. You never answered why you're obsessed with that Twitter/YouTube account, and I've never seen any proof whatsoever that your bogeyman is that YouTuber, which I've asked for many times.
>>538117310Same and true. Only zoomies that watch youtube video essays suddenly think XIII is good. >>538117903After the honeymoon phase I really began to see how sloppy, derivative and padded 7R and Rebirth were. They really stink of trend chasing.I think it's time for Kitase and Toriyama to retire.
>>538117768You're too nice, XIII-CHAD.That's the main difference between you and me.Not sure why some people can't seem to see that there are at least two of us, more like 3 or 4 actually at any given time.
>>538118758While I wouldn't agree with all of this, these seem reasonable opinions. Why do we hate him again?
>>538119029I hate him, Max, Genki and Audrey
>>538119129Is that why we're so obsessed with them?
>>538118917XIII-2 is kind of good. XIII and LR are really bad though.
>>538118414I wonder what makes someone so desperate for attention that they're okay with being humiliated for their stupidity.Surely a lack of father.
>>538117187In this Gran Pulse scene, Snow asks her, showing doubt again, just like in the subway scene:>we will se her, right?Initially talking with Snow face to face, she goes behind him on purpose, so that he does not see her crying, nudges him and answers, as if remembering their last conversation and again encouraging Snow:>no room for doubt.>we will see her again. And Soon. You convinced me on that. So stay strong.But in reality, we see that she herself is not sure of the correctness of the plan. This is why she goes behind Snow's back and this is why she nudges him, because she is actually weak and she herself relies on the strength of his convictions, which perfectly encapsulates the idea of her character stuck between roles of caring mother and attention seeking child abandoned by her parents. This scene also shows their dynamic of dependence on each other, like a family, how they learning to take care for each other. One detail I like: Snow notices that she is crying, so he deliberately does not turn around, as if playing along with her. Everything is done very economically, without purple prose or walls of text: very simple language and visual acting of characters communicate the essential idea of Claire as a character.Purest Muse.
>>538118915I didn't post that image last time but I am reposting it now for the lolz.Anon....I'm not 'Paulie'. Big Guy is not my boogie man. He knows that too, which is why pic related exists......Someone was really upset for a long time (seemingly, according to schizo lore, NSP is Jimbo?) but most people aren't so sure why that person was even upset in the first place (Tidus in Part 2 joke?) or whether or not any of this is even true or not. I don't know. I'm secondary to all of that. I don't care about someones secret name/identity.But I like Remake, and I liked Rebirth even more. On this, me and Jimbo agree. Therefore, he is based.
>>538119424You reddit spaced 4 paragraphs and posted an archives screenshot with some schizo shit, but you didn't answer my question.
>>538119356>word saladTake your mods again.
>>538118917I hope they do less open world in party Part 3.
>>538119553I answered your question by telling you that you've found the wrong man, detective. I have no ill feelings toward mister night sky.
>>538119634I guess you're not going to answer my question. You never do, you just say schizo shit.
>>538119559Word eclair. Delicious pastry!
>>538119767A Mary Sue pastry, disgusting.
>>538118915XIII-kun became very obsessed with Jimbo because xhe realized it was a new great way to spam shitposts using FFX Yojimbo. In general he really likes twitter and youtube ecelebs
>>538118917>open by shitposting young people while posting an image of FFXVI>attack the youth while paradoxically feigning support for them by defending XVI, a game that is made for zoomers>then call VIIR slop, derivative, and padded, while failing to type the numeral>call the game that honors FF traditional elements 'trend chasing', doubling down on paradoxical hypocrisy>finish it off by shitposting the developer calling for their resignationThis shitpost is extremely stale, I promise I've seen it regurgitated a million times before.Different image, different words, same shitpost.
>>538118917>>538119608Whatever they decide to do for 7R3, I know it'll be the right call. I'm already predicting a 10/10.
>>538119861He's still really butthurt about being called Paulie that one time too, it seems. If we post every Tweet and every YouTube video that NightSkyPrince makes, always insisting that he's /ourguy/, and if "Jimbo" is allegedly NSP, all I want to see is any proof whatsoever that links the 4chan posts he hates to the Reddit account he hates and then links either one of those things to the Twitter and YouTube accounts he's always talking about. Him or anyone else. I have never seen anything linking any of them, but there seems to be a small group of very agreeable posters who all know it's the truth but wont tell me how or why they know it. Like this time, he just posted some weird archives image he had saved for some reason while melting down about being called Paulie.
>>538119719I'm not the person you think that I am. The person who you are trying to call out? Yeah, he's not even me.Is that clear enough for you? No matter how many times you try to fabricate a connection between Lightning images and your thread boyfriend....it's never coming true.>>538119767Isn't it crazy how the Warrior of Light himself literally believes that he take on enemy with Lightning by his side?So cool......
>>538120394Please stop replying to me with your schizo shit if you're not even going to attempt to answer the question that I asked you.
>>538119968>Ubisoftbirth honors traditional FFlol, lmao
At least Rebirth honors gaming. XVI honors interactive movies lol
>>538120394>the Warrior of Light himself literally believes that he can take on any enemy with Lightning by his sideWoops, I was so excited about the reality of WoL and Claire that I made some spelling mistakes. Her light is simply that powerful.>>538120446>he's doubling downOh my....this is very interesting. Okay. I'll spoonfeed you.>why you're obsessed with that Twitter/YouTube accountI'm not. I'm not the person who you think I am. That's the point. I reposted that image from last thread for the lolz. You think this thread is serious business, however, and no fun allowed (unless at the expense of your preferred party)>I've never seen any proof whatsoever that your bogeyman is that YouTuberSame, I've never seen any proof that this YTer posts here either. You would know that if you had read >>538119424
>>538119767Hehehe
>>538120604Do you know what series this is?It's always been cutscene heavy.If *gaming" is copying the same old Farcry tower shit forever, I don't want it.Both games have a similar runtime when you remove all the padding from Rebirth.Even Crisis Core Reunion did it better than Rebirth.
>>538120761I didn't read your post, because I know all you did is say reddit spaced schizo shit while not answering my question.
>>538120910Cutscenes heavy game is not an interactive movie. These are different species.And in Rebirth you mostly have the freedom to choose whether to interact with the minigames if you consider them a source of entertainment and an essential part of the FF golden age legacy, or not to interact with them if you consider them padding. Even in this there is an interactive element that requires the playerto choose, to do something other than hammering a square for 35 hours straight and performing boring fetch quests in the empty corridors and fields of Valisthea.
The only thing anyone has ever posted whenever I ask them to link "the detective" and the 5 years to a XIII poster is......nothing actually.It's sheer imagination? The imagination is the only thing that could contribute to such a fabrication.Is it really just because someone once said "I like Remake, but I like Rebirth even more, and XVI sucks" while posting Lightning?Is it the same thing with NSP? Someone said something here that vaguely resembled something that a YouTuber's Reddit account said?Apparently there's a Reddit account. And I am supposed to care whose Reddit account said what now? Tidus in Rebirth?Nobody has ever dared to explain any of this lore to me since I've been here. It just seems like the thread culture at this point and it's just accepted.People absorb weird nonsense and then meme it for the lolz. That's why this webm exists.
>he is still melting about being called Paulie that one time, which didn't even happen in this thread
>>538121360>consider them a source of entertainment and an essential part of the FF golden age legacyWhy yes, I do actually.Whether it's card games, or timed button presses, or set piece sequences where you have to accomplish various sorts of tasks that aren't just fighting enemies or talking...All forms of interactivity belong in Final Fantasy. It requires courage from the developer to want to try new things, though. And it requires talent to imagine and then implement those more dynamic forms of interactivity.Like Chocobo gliding, or a card game, rhythm game, punch-out mini game, racing mini game......etc, etc.
>>538121773I've always called the golden age games a toy box-like games. I think that's a perception shared by most fans of those games. Rebirth captured that feeling very well, better than any other post X FF. There's still a lot to improve on, like mako sources, checklists, and Ubisoft towers are definitely worth leaving behind, but Rebirth is the best representation of the FF experience from the late 90s imo.
>>538121750Where did the name Paulie come from? Surely you can answer me succinctlyBecause I can find a Reddit account named Jimbodehobo (it was posted about in this general) with a quick google search, and that account has some revealing posts, some of them even look like what you see in this general and on /v/ on a daily basis in FFVIIR threads.So you should be able to share where that name came from right?
>>538120394The Warrior of Light is saying all of this shit and probably thinking smth like this >>538117096 frfrHe's /ourguy/.
I guess he's going to melt about being called Paulie that one time for the next few days. I think someone should remind him that no one called him Paulie this thread, and an archives search reveals that it's been 5 days since anyone said "Paulie" here. I just wanted to know why we all think and agree that NSP is "Jimbo", because I've never seen anyone even try to provide proof of this claim. Instead, he's been melting down for an hour about one time when he got called Paulie.
>>538122086>toy box-likeYes. I mean....what else is summoning and cinematic attacks other than toy box bullshit?The heart of all good FF is toy box>Then, a gigantic metal horse comes stampeding out of the sky BRUAUHRHASHSHHSCRASHHH>and then fuckin LIGHTNING shoots outta the horn and fucking KABOOOMOLSABLARJE;WLKHJF>9999 damage bro hell yeah>>538122559Both FFI and FFII protags loved her desu and they stood toe to toe with her....What's not to love? I need a AAA Rebirth-like Dissidia with lots of party members across time and space.....fund it
>>538122607>why we all think and agree that NSP is "Jimbo"That's the thing, I don't agree, it's clearly obvious that is not true Tone, Jimbo is a different guy seeIf you have seen anything about NSP you'd know that he likes Remake and Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children like any good FF explorer does. So...he would never post the seethe that's on that there Reddit account.Ay Tone....do you understand the concept of a meme?
>>538114817I also didn't like the boots at first, I considered them a joke. But once I understood the intent behind them, I became a fan. Now I don't think anyone should say anything bad about the boots.
>>538123196You're pretending to be an expert on a subject that existed for years before you did. While melting down about being called Paulie, which has not occurred in nearly a week. I guess I'll just have to ask the thread a different time to get an answer, but I think you're always here. There can't be melt downs for multiple years only for some new guy to come in, hand wave it all away, and say "it's just a meme guys"
>AHHHH HELP ME I'M A FUCKING TREEEEE
>>538123495*Real* New Dissidia when?
>NSP damage controlling this early
I still don't know why we're supposed to hate Jimbo. I can't think of anything he turned out to be wrong about, and apparently nobody else can either. And yet we're expected to consider him a big evil menace. I just don't get it.
I'm going to be honest, I didn't think he would take my Sopranos post this badly. Really sorry about that, I'll try to be more careful in the future.
>>538123667A few threads ago I asked for an example of something he was wrong about and I got the usual deflection meltdown and of course none of the dozens of dedicated jim haters were able to give me any information.
There's been a surprising amount of activity since I was last here, but did we ever find out what was going on with that guy who got mad that someone expressed a critical opinion of Remake and pretended they were presenting their opinions as facts in order to attack Kitase and VIIR fans?
>>538119424Honestly you two are probably the only good posters here, or at least the only posters here who like and talk about final fantasy
>>538123934No, we never did. We still don't know how Kitase is even involved in it.
>>538123459I never said I'm an expert Tone, the opposite in fact. I'm just putting two and two together here. I'm using my eyeballs and my ears, that's all. If you watch an NSP video, you'll see him say some shit like "I imported Advent Children to play the FFXIII demo", or "Kingdom Hearts has the best base for FF action combat mechanics".....That don't sound like something a guy who has a massive bone to pick with VIIR would say to thousands of viewers on camera.Now, since you keep mentioning your favorite, Mister Paulie....you got anything to show me, XIII-kun, that guy "everyone hates" about who Paulie is supposed to be?We know who Jimbo is supposed to be, that's a Reddit shitposter who hates VIIR. And we know who NSP is, he's a YouTuber and FF explorer.But we don't know who Paulie is. Is it a Reddit account? Can we see it? Any source for the name whatsoever? It should be instantly available, a google search away. You've made it clear you think Paulie is Jimbo's arch rival, and I'm willing to concede to you on that, because I have no clue if that is true or not. Paulie could be real, sure. But many keep trying to say that Jimbo is XIII-kuns boogie man, when that's clearly not true.TLDR; You've got the wrong guy, see. You're mixed up. My name ain't Paulie, and I've even told you my real life name and linked it, but all you wise guys ignored it to keep peddling your preferred pet name.>>538123724I told them my real name but they didn't listen. This is how things have to get done in waste management.>>5381242064chan is supposed to be fun.
>>538124394Oh so we're just going to pretend Kitase wasnt being attacked in the previous thread? And that FFVIIR fans weren't under attack either?
I seriously cannot believe he has been melting down for almost 2 hours about being called Paulie when no one even called him Paulie
>>538124206Who knew liking Remake and Rebirth, and Final Fantasy in general, would make us outliers in the /finalfantasygeneral/?But it is what it is. Thanks bro. Try not let the schizos get you down. I mostly just feel sorry for them (when I'm not laughing at them.)
>>538112221Yay Rydia!
>>538119356Eclaire...Such a well-written character...
>>538119356It's poetry. It's stagecraft. It's cinema, as it were.
fippy bippy!
>>538122607>>538123196>>538123459>>538124415Off-topic
>>538128521>none of them looks like lightningexcept Aeris maybe, with that negative ass
Tell me a non-Square Enix RPG that is better than XVI (no E33).
>>538133119Banquet for Fools
>>538133119KCD
>>538117001>Dawntrail is better than XVII think that. Dawntrail was a hot mess but at least the Alexandria stuff is decent. There is absolutely NOTHING good about XVI aside from maybe the voice acting.
>>538133119basically every RPG and every action game
>>538133119BG3
Tell me a non-Square Enix RPG that is better than Rebirth (no E33).
>>538142691>hi guys, I'm feeling insecure about 7R and need a confidence boost
>>538142798Well, objectively, there's Metaphor. Just as one example.
>>538142691Elden Ring is fun, especially the PC version with seamless coop and randomizer slapped onto it
>>538142691
>>538112221Square Enix should make a Star Wars game.
>>538142691I would say KCD2, BG3, Divinity: OS 1 and 2, Elden Ring are better as RPGs, but definitely not that piece of shit Metaphor (objectively).
>>538147030>(objectively)Sis...
>>538147320The assessment of the (((majority))), which consists of literal fag magazines and other shitty gaming journals, has nothing to do with the term "objectivity". Metaphor is clunky and rigid as a game, and as a story.
>>538148460>has nothing to do with the term "objectivity"I'm 100% sure that if Rebirth had won, we would be posting about how it's objectively better than Metaphor. Alas, the truly objectively better game won in the end.
>>538148654>we would be posting about how it's objectively better than MetaphorI wouldn't, so I don't understand your comment at all.
>>538148784I believe you.
Most RPGs are better than Rebirth.Is Rebirth even an RPG?It's more of an Assassin's Creed game than anything
>>538113615Umm...
>>538114782Oooooh no, not that shitThat was fucked
Chocobo Racing deserves one more chance.
>>538123578Once they put out the Dissidia collection (never)
>>538152662Why not? A new Chocobo Racing game couldn't possibly sell less than Rebirth did. Worth a try.
>>538151427>It's more of an Assassin's Creed game than anythingActually true.
>>538118758"Linearity bad" sissies....
>>538152662They need to see what the current racers are doing to assure the next game doesn't turn into a p2w shit mush.Also uncloth Esper Terra
>>538154578I love linearity. That's why I enjoyed the 10/10 FFX and FFXVI.
>>538155053I don't think they have it in them. A new Chocobo Racing that was just a straight up classic kart game with FF characters and tracks could be a lot of fun, and MKW/Crossworlds prove people just want a straightforward racer. But I don't think SE can look at it and not see garbage mobile whalehunting potential. Why make a good game when you can make a shit game that might milk one whale of a million dollars before EOS.
>>538155495There are certain posters in this thread who are not ready to have this conversation. Their cognitive dissonance is far too great.
>>538156098I could never accept anons calling some linear games good, and other linear games bad. If they weren't hypocrites, they would like all of them, or none of them.
>>538156740>>538154578This.
>>53815674013’s linearity is fine and reinforces a thematic element of the narrative. The problem is that this linearity is also tied to a tutorial system that doesn’t end until chapter 11 or some shit. Over half the game is hand holding the mechanics for you with completely arbitrary progression lockouts.10 front loads all of its explanations and doesn’t lock you out of half the games classes for 3/4th of the game.That is why 13 sucks compared to 10.
>>538159774irrefutable
>>538159774>13’s linearity is fine and reinforces a thematic element of the narrative.That Lightning suck cock and that it's not a real roleplaying game since you don't get to play a role, just watch Lightning be a bitch to everyone she meets?
>>538159774>13’s linearity is fine and reinforces a thematic element of the narrative.Not even the developers would agree with this. I am not sure as to why fanboys of particular entries like to tout its more glaring flaw as some sort of next level avantgarde decision, especially in a game like XIII where the devs have been more than open on the struggles of the development process.
>>538161873Whether or not the narrative connection to the linearity of the game was intentional the result is the same. You are a party given a fate that cannot be avoided and are forced down a singular path to fulfill it. The game mirrors that struggle.
sex with Lightningsex with Tifa and Aerith dressed as Lightning
>>538163415Hope...
>>538163497...for this franchise was lost when FF16 flopped
I wonder what happened to them.
Remake won
>>538165560Final Fantasy 17 let's go!
>>53816556030fps remake... I thought I left you on the ps quadruple...
>>538164679*when Rebirth flopped
Would you buy an FF Tactics sequel?I'm personally very excited to return to Ivalice for the Remaster.
>>538165340OO was a better game than XIII that also had better combat than XIII, even during the FR era
>>538168943As long as it isn’t getting made by CS3, I’d be down for a Tactics sequel.
>>538168943>Would you buy an FF Tactics sequel?Include some 7 cast cameos again and I won't be able to NOT buy it
>>538168943I don't think so. Tactic Ogre, though, the few I saw got me really excited.
>>538168943As long as Yoshi-P isn't involved.When I see his name I just tend to lose all rationality
>>538168943Give me a Square Enix version of Unicorn Overlord instead
>>538168943Is there one of these "We'll totally make a new game / sequel if you buy our remaster pinkie promise" statement that ended up delivering? I just tend to dismiss them as marketing white noise.
>>538169729>I would love to return to Ivalice, as long as it's not being made by the Ivalice team
>>538170369We noticed, don't worry.
>>538170701Kefka is the worst villain.
One true love and kissu hug! Canon and cute couple!
>>538171209Name a better one.
>>538171523Ultima
>>538170701Motomu needs to return for Revenant Wings 2It's what the series needs
>>538171523Your mum.
>>538171779Based
>>538171523my abusive father
>>538172720Tidus...
>>538172720Balthier...
>>538172892>>538173121Being a video game character would be an improvement...But enough about this.
>>538173505>not fatherless>father abusedLightning avatarfag...
>>538113095xiv didn't make any profit in the last year
>>538173790Barry, stop making up lies while posting images that disprove your own lies.
>>538173732Oh, I'm not that fatherless attention whoring loser whose nerves get struck.But not having a father would've helped me.
>>538171523GOOD VILLAINS:Chaos, Emperor David Bowie, Cloud of Darkness, EXDeath, Kefka, Sephiroth, Genesis, JENOVA, Meteor Parasite, Ultimecia, Garland, Kuja, Queen Brahne, Necron, Shadow Lord, Eard'narche & Kamla'naut, Promathia, Odin/Luzaf, Lilith, Hades, Vayne Solidor, Cidolfus, Venat, Gaius, Elidibus, Zenos, Athena, Barnabas, UltimaBAD VILLAINS:Zemus, Barthandalus, Bhunivelze, Ardyn/Ifrit, Lahabrea, Fandaniel
>>538175159>ZemusShut your mouth, Zemus was great.
>>538173790Here's your (You).
>>538173790Irrefutable. Dawntrail was really a disaster.
>>538173790XIV haters can't read, apparently. That's not what it says at all lol
>>538175159>>538175384I did not care for Zemus.
>>538176356Barry cannot read, this is true, but more importantly than that he is simply not concerned with facts. He has a narrative that he keeps repeating and that's all there is to it. It's not more complicated than that. In reality, XIV is more profitable than XV is or ever will be, and he doesn't like that.
hope you're ready for ff7 advent children in ff7r3they just made new advent children cg modelsplus ever crisis has advent children game models for enemies, environments and characters being added, all the ever crisis character, environment and enemy models are down scaled versions of ff7r, ff7 rebirth and ff7rp3 game models
hurr durr xiv didn't make any money
>>538173960>>538175895>>538176356>>538176792literally says net sales and profit is down aka no profit also xv made more profit in a month than xiv made in its 1st 7 yearsxv was far more profitable than xiv has ever beenthe xv mobile game was more profitable than SEs entire mmo division too
>>538176904If you tell me Kadaj is going to be in Part 3, I would call you a shitposting doomer. But I have a feeling that if he actually was, there would be a good reason for it.
>profit is down aka no profitB-Barry no, that's not how this works.
>>538176792Seems you were right kekHe doubled down immediatelyTo be very clear, less profit does not mean no profitXIV remains extremely profitable.
>>538176792how come ff14 makes so little money compared to xv?ff14s biggest region for revenue is the us yet ff15, ff7r and ff7 all made more revenue in the us than ff14 has
>>538177172>If you tell me Kadaj is going to be in Part 3, I would call you a shitposting doomer.Why? his whisper is in remake
Reminder than XV took years to even break even with Tabata's famous 10 Million sales required quote that he had to walk back. Meanwhile XIV ARR and XVI both broke even week one of their release.
>>538177172He won't be in it, shitposting doomer.However, if he was, he was already foreshadowed in remake, so not only do you not get to complain, but his inclusion is good actually.
>>538177034>>538177320>net sales and profit down yoy>this is somehow mad dosh>>538177429xiv is not extremely profitable at all
Aerisu!
>>538177771I'd take Kadaj and the boys over anime ass Nero and Weiss any fucking day
>>538177162Here's your (You).
>>538177724it took xv 1 day to break even and be profitable with 5m, it was profitable within the 5mthe additional 5m was pure profittabata never had to walk back anything because he never said 10m was the sales target, he always said that was nothing more than a personal goal because only 1 other ff had sold 10m (being ff7) at the time he said thatxvi still hasnt broke even or made any profit and xiv only slld 1.45SE stated XV at 6m in a month exceeded expectations which means it was already profitable by then
>>538178249
>>538178036nice cope>>538177724also se said xvi underperformed meaning it didn't profit at all, and we know ff16 cost $300m because a company involved in irs development disclosed ff16 cost $300m during one of their investor meetingsff16 only made $147m at absolute maximum on ps5 from its 3m salesdidn't break even let alone come close to profiting
>>538178556Wrong. XVI cost 100m.Even couldn't spend 300m on a game even if they wanted to.Costs only balloon like that in the USA where wages are much higher than Japan and there's a lot more corporate bloat.
>>538178556prof·it/ˈpräfət/nounnoun: profit; plural noun: profitsa financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.
>>538178538The headline is incorrect because he never said that was the sales target to begin with, it was misreported to begin withhe only ever said 10m was his personal goal, not a financial requirement for sustainability also SE stated xv sales exceeded expectations at 6m so it was profitable at launch meanwhile ff16 still hasn't broke even or profited yet
AND THEN YOU ADD KURT ANGLE INTO THE MIX
ffg still doesnt understand how corporate financing worksthinks games have their own bank accounts and debt oweddoesnt know that no game is financed off its own sales hasnt figured out that 13 paid for 14 which paid for 15 which paid for 16 and on and on
Guys... I know Barry is a schizo shitposter, but is he a legitimate retard too? Like, legitimately, is he retarded? I thought the "Barry math" was a cope or something to help with his shitposts, but he might just legitimately be retarded. He is currently reading the word "14th" as being "XIV" when it isn't, and he thinks "decrease in profits YoY" means ZERO profits, when the YoY comparison being made is one in which an expansion launched and one in which no expansion launched. >>538177494Your picture has nothing to do with XIV, shitposterkun. Your picture mentions Rebirth, XV, and Remake, but it does not say anything about XIV.
>>538178538>>538179057His exact quote was quite clear. That's why SE had to release a statement walking it back.The game was in development for nearly a decade and involved a costly movie as well, so I don't doubt his accidental sincerity.XV needed several mobile games to even start to recoup all the cash Tabata blew and continued to blow, culminating in his firing and closure of Luminous Studios.
>>538178835woah those are some big claimsI'm sure you could back that up.
>>538179760It's pretty obvious if you read SE's financial reports.
>>538178835ff16 cost $300myoshitpiss talked multiple times about how high the costs weretalked about being surprised SE allowed the budget to be so high it cost way higher than forspoken did>>538178941ff16 made no profit off its development/advertising costs
>>538179741>culminating in his firing and closure of Luminous Studios.these things happened 5 years apart btw.
>>538180010This was a PowerPoint slide created by an unaffiliated third party with zero sources to back up his claims.
>>538180124>unaffiliated third partythe company worked on the game, lil bro.
I feel with AI we’re only a few short years away from having a real Tifa sexbot.
>>538180124>source: trust me bro>"can I check your source?">no you're just gonna have to trust me
>>538180124We already have a real source in Japan that puts it at a much more realistic 59M budget, meaning XVI profited at minimum 3x that in its first week.
>>538179675Are you retarded and coping because xvi flopped and made no profit of its costs?do you not know how operating income works?mat piscatela from npd/circarna is talking about dollar sales for ff in the usff15 is #17r is now #2ff7 is #3dollar sales is revenue npd/circarna get numbers directly from SE including digital/mtx which counts ff14 subs, any spending on ff14 and ff14 cash shopff14 not even in top 3 let alone above 15 like you claimed if ff14 was the big money generator you claimed it would be top 3, its not
>>538180497The reports are all public, just go read them.>>538180484He put a company logo on his PowerPoint that he may or may not have talked to, that may or may not have worked on XVI, who may or may not have even known the game's budget. Hope that clarifies things for you lil bro.
>my source? >a folder of Tweets that I agree with>why do you ask?
>>538180539The original VII had a budget around that much. And that was before inflation. And Yoshida had to thank SE for even allowing him the budget to make XVI, implying it was high. That article is full of shit.
>>538180539Probably 59M for dev, 41M for advertising and merchandising. Sony also gave them some money for exclusivity so -15M from that.Any way you slice it, given XVI's sales, we're looking at a break even first week and 2x profit, by all possible estimates.
>>538180539>We already have a real source in Japan that puts it at a much more realistic 59M budgetthat was a guesstimate made before the game ever came out lol
>>538180774>The reports are all public, just go read them.No they are not. If this is that power point which asserts that XVI cost >$200 million to make, none of the reports are public. The guy tells you what the sources are at the bottom of the slides, but a layperson cannot go to those sources and verify for themselves that the information displayed is accurate, because none of the information is public.
>>538180539>>538181383>before the game came out>February 2025 articleNice try.
>>538180539The post that angered the anti-yoshida cultists.
>>538180774https://www.keywordsstudios.com/download/file/TnorY0t5U2EvWDlSRmNDRGVkeG9WZz09/Full-Year-Results-2023-Presentation/lmao lil bro that image is straight from keywords themselves
>>538181480That's right. The guy's PowerPoint is bullshit. SE's public financial reports are not. You can discern much if you actually read them.
>Jump from VII to XIII to XV shitposts all you want......XVI still stinks.
>>538179741FF16 lost SE 2bn in value and didn't make any profitTabata never said 10m was XVs sales target, he mentioned 10m because only one other FF had even sold 10m at that point in timeXV was barely im development for 3.5 years under Tabata SE specifically stated XV exceeded sales expectations at 6m so it was professionally at launch At launch Tabata was asked if XV was profitable and broke even and he said yes it broken even and was profitable day 1XVI was in development for 9 years under Yoshi-P and TakaiXVI still hasnt broken even yetXV made insanely high profit due to selling an additional 5m that was all profit and thats on top of the profit made within the launch 5m since it was profitable within that figure tooTabata left SE 2 years after XV released in 2018 after getting promoted and getting his team promoted, he then left SE 5 months later because he wanted to start his own company before he's at retirement ageThe non canon xv dlc were only canned as a result of that and lost no money because they hadn't even started yetthe 33m loss was for new IP projects abd cgi production being cancelled which are miniscule in budget that justice combined amounted to 33m, which is the cost of a low budget game anyway, xv on pc made over $33m in profit that same fiscal year anyway so entirely covered thatand the mobile game made $375m in that fiscal year tooluminous productions proceeded for another FIVE years of active development on top of working on ff7r and ff16 in the background from their new ipthen in 2023 SE merged luminous productions back to cbu2 and prompted Aramaki to head the new engine development dick to focus on setting up luminous engine for company wide use now and the xv staff are now in creative studio 4 where nozue from ffxv kingsglaive and ffxv and agni got promoted
>>538181685see>>538181685gonna have to cope a lil harder.
>>538181697Lightning avatarfag, what's actually happening right now is that Barry is shitposting everything that isn't XV. If you want anyone to take you seriously rather than making fun of you all the time, you have to be less obviously biased and sympathetic towards Barry when he's shitposting the games that you have spent your entire tenure on /ffg/ also shitposting.
>>538181627Sourced from the dubious original PowerPoint I'm referring to. It says right on their slide. It's not their own internal knowledge they are referencing.
>>538181543https://www-yomiuri-co-jp.translate.goog/economy/20230106-OYT1T50123/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=el*jan 2023
If you want an example of no profits, we only need to look towards Tabata.
>>538182125the company that worked on the game isn't some random dude you kept wishing it was.
>>538182192At least he's consistent
>>538180124keywords studio worked on ff16that slide is from their financial report >>538180539that was debunked back then you lying retard$59m was yasudas low ball estimate and him saying it cost at least that much not that it was ff16s budget, also that was from 6 months before the game even released and is not even officially tied to SE
>Lightning avatarfag is also the Chinese knockoff and the Chinese gacha shillGrim. But honestly, expected.
>>538180774keywordstudio worked on ff16the source for ff16s budget is them
>>538182284>>538182385You are willfully ignoring the sources listed on the PowerPoint of the company that worked on a small part of localizing the game. They are referencing other sources, not their own. They wouldn't even know the game's budget you tards.
Not reading all the slop, I'm afraid. Same arguments you've all been having with him for years now....Imagine still shitposting the same arguments with Barry after all this time LMFAOOOSo....let's talk about some FF games.I think we should talk about FF summons.What FF has your favorite summons? My favorites are FFVIII, FFX, and FFXIII.My favorite summon is probably Ifrit in FFVIII.
>>538181543its from January 2023>>538181583sounds like youre coping because ff16 cost $300m and made barely half that back>>538182125youre coping the source of ff16s budget is them because they worked on it
>>538182874>no argumentsI accept your surrender.
>>538182783>its just some random dude slapping logos onto his powerpoint.>well ok its a real company but who cares they wouldn't know>oh yeah well so what if they worked on it that doesn't mean anythingkeep going lil bro, this is funny.
>>538182791You actually are the Chinese gacha shill. Unbelievable. Well, no, believable, you are a liar after all, but still, this revelation evokes the feeling one has when they might say "unbelievable!"
>>538182192>>538182330Tabata's company made profits in the latest FY
>>538182617>>538182998>every single post I don't like was written by muh bfWhat is your problem? Why are you like this?I don't play gacha or mobile games.
>>538183136
>>538183121>one company made 200 million>one company lost 300 millionSo no profit. Thanks for backing up my claim.
>>538183225Why are you like this?Why do you hate this character so much
>>538182783The references are for games they didn't work on you idiot They worked on ff16 and thus ff16s budget is factually $300malso the forspoken writer is the source for forspoken costing $100m, how would the writer who doesn't even work in japan with the dev team even know Forspokens budget? the writer wasn't even involved in the game beyond doing the scriptif someone like that can gain access to know Forspoken cost $100m then a COMPANY who worked on ff16 has just as much ease of access to know ff16s budget
>let's talk about FF>instant seething replyJesus Christ this place is a disaster.
>>538182957yoshitpissisters getting uppity
>>538183507>They worked on ff16 and thus know ff16s budgetThat's... Not at all how that works.We're back to the less profits equals no profits maths again already
Was SE wrong to make XII?
>>538184025well if you say so, then it must be true.
I hope this isn't too much to ask, but I think we should support FFXV director Hajime Tabata by downloading his latest product, Hamapen Rap Maker.It is a revolutionary app that uses generative AI technology to create rap music by entering images and text.
>>538180774>Company sources another guy who made it up.Reminds me of journo "reliable" sources
>>538183312the article says they erroneously reported it as a loss before and corrected it as it was profitalso jp universe is an umbrella company of 3 seperate entitiesjp games is the games development company and that posted profittbt labs is asset management and logsys os for operation of ID services so any loss you're claiming is completely unrelated to game development at jp games that Tabata is making and if anything is asset management related which involves stakes in other seperate companies
>>538184025I will give the benefit of the doubt to ever barry schizo rambling but not this. I cannot believe this.
>>538184025Yes it is how it worksAnd xvi didn't make any profit
>>538184379JP Games lost 367 million in 2023. So they're still in the negative.
>>538184229They were wrong to target the ps2 and not ps3 for its release. An added year of polish and not compromising on graphics would have been pretty sweet.Could of had the HD remaster as the original release.
>>538184625You think every little contractor is privy to the budget of the project? Why do you think this?
Yoshida might be unoriginal, but naming your studio JP Games is even more unoriginal.
>>538184625Except SE reported a 16% growth on return for 2023.
>>538185146It’s a company that exists to export JP culture to the world. Effectively they operate off government grants for the purpose of pushing Japanese propaganda. Anime industries full of these government funded studios that just push out slop to sell overseas.
>>538185182I hate to tell you this, but this report is for april 2022 to march 2023, before XVI ever came out.
Looks like the gang's all here. We've got Paulie, and Barry, presumably Larry somewhere, and now we just need Jimbo to make an appearance and we've got ourselves a bona fide Final Fantasy House on our hands.
>>538184768Because it supports my narrative.
Wait, if Paulie's here, and I'm here, and Barry's over there... who's driving the car?
>>538184662He went quiet. I wonder if he's away looking at the data for JP Games before 2023 to try counter this.(Spoilers: The company is still in the negative 6 years on)
>>538184768>"hey yeah, I'll pay you $500 to do this window">alright, sounds like a deal>hey... by the way, if you don't mind me asking, how much did the other work you're having done on your house cost?>"oh well that's no issue, my good sir, all told it will cost about $200 million dollars, in fact I'm glad you asked and I'm happy to provide you with that information confidentially and not available anywhere to the public"
>>538185406Do you think the 300million spent wasn’t paid out until the game released anon?
>>538187387Regardless that you responded to the wrong person, the fact that amortization was listed as a reason for the drop when XVI DID launch means that yes, they did in fact pay up all the costs by the time XVI launched.
>>538186809>who's driving the car?Yes he is.
>>538184321That isn't his game thats another company toolThis is one of JPGames products which is from a middleware tool to help devs
>>538187684*All 59M of the costsLeading to 3x profit for the 10/10 FFXVI on release week.
>>538187684>they did in fact pay up all the costs by the time XVI launched.This also involves the settlement of all debts owed my Luminous Studios before it dissolved. These were reported within the same financial quarter, I will remind the audience.
>>538184662>>538186915JPU made 1.6 billion yen in 2023 so no
>>538188090That happened in a totally different financial year lmao
>>538185182no they didn't and your image doesn't factor ff16 at allthe fy forspoken release in performed better than the fy ff16 released in
>>538188218If that is true, you'll have to forgive me. I'm not paying attention to all of the Barry math. If we're talking about XVI's launch and "amortization", then it also involves the dissolution of Luminous Studios, as it occurred and was reported during the same financial quarter.
>>538188398>same financial quarterno it wasn’t lmao. It wasn’t even in the same financial year.
>>538187684A drop in amortization is expected when the company does not project a copyright to retain its current elevated value. IE there is nothing after release to maintain the interest generated before release. Or in even dumber terms there is no hype because the thing being hyped is now available. Has nothing to do with 16. Everything to do with future projections have no forward announcements of the next Final Fantasy matching 16 and Rebirth.
>>538188186Ryugukoku is gonna be fire when it drops this year.I look forward to importing my Mitsubishi NFT.
>>538188593Luminous Studios was dissolved in the same financial quarter that XVI launched during, yes.
>>538188380I’ll ask again, do you think SE just didn’t make payments on the 300 million spent to develop 16 until release?
>>538187387yes because all of ff16 dev and advertising costs were only amortised in june 2023>>538187997ff16 cost $300m>>538188090luminous productions had no debts as if they were they'd have been reported in fy 2023, the fy forspoken released inmay 1st is when SE official reabsorbed luminous staff back into cbu2, nothing moreSE specifically stated the loss in q1 fy2024 was because of ff16 not being profitable off its dev or advertising costs
>>538188090>>538188778I can corroborate this, as I am a reliable source that has actually read the financial reports instead of gleefully slurping barry misinfo.
>>538188824That is not how amortization works retard.
>>538188814*The 59 Million spent to develop FFXVIPlease try to avoid repeating inflated misinformation
>>538188218You do know financial years run to the end of March right Anon?Like you understand 2025’s financial report is April 2024 a March 2025 yes?You aren’t a fucking dumbass right anon?
>>538186018How will we know he's here? What's his "thing"?
>>538189171sweetheart, when do you think they announced luminous studios shut down?Can you even bring up one sentence where they mentioned luminous studios in the same report when XVI launched?
>>538188958>>538188593>I can corroborate thisWell, yeah, I also posted an image of the notice of the dissolution of Luminous Studios, as well as its effective date, as well as a snipped of the timeframe of the financial quarter its dissolution was reported during, and it is on the reader to then know that XVI launched on June 22rd of 2023, which would put it within the same quarter as the dissolution of Luminous Studios. >>538188824>luminous productions had no debts as if they were they'd have been reported in fy 2023Well, no, not necessarily. Any debts owed by Luminous Studios would need to be settled by Square Enix at the time of its dissolution and absorption. The amortization would necessarily involve 1) the cost to produce XVI as well as any current and bookmarked marketing campaigns, and 2) anything else that occurred at SE, which would necessarily involve the settlement of any debts that Luminous Studios may have had at the time of its dissolution, and this occurred during the same financial quarter that XVI launched during.
>>538188398no it doesn't because staff is irrelevant to hd games sector profitalso if luminous had any debts it'd wouldve been reported in fy2023>>538188778ff16 released june 2023 which was q1 fy2024forspoken released jan 2023 which was q4 fy2023forspoken staff were announced to be merging back as SE in march 2023 which is still q4 fy2023the may 1 date is just the date they actually back as regular SE staffforspoken costs were already amortized in fy2023ff16 is what had its costs amortized in q1fy2024 and it fucking tanked HD games operating profit which caused the shareholders to get pissed when they said ff16 underperformed and the tank dropped like a rockforspoken flopping didn't tank SE anywhere as much as ff16 flopping didalso Aramaki head of luminous productions was literally promoted and is head of SEs entire engine development division now
>>538189559Real and based. >>538189418Low IQ double-down. Sad to see it.
>>538189418See >>538188090And then kill yourself in a Final Famtasy game. Preferably while live steaming.
>>538189559>>538189768>>538189814why is it so hard to just post a sentence from a financial report?
>>538188958>>538189559xvifags really can't read >>538189559No because forspoken costs were ammortised when it launched and2) there was no loss related to luminous as all staff were retained and they even promoted Aramaki after that ff16 was cited as the drop not anything else
>>538188186>JPU madeNothing. The company has made no profit in the last 3 years.The 1.6 billion yen refers to the money they have got off other companies to fund their projects. Those companies are going to want to see returns on those funds at some point, so Tabby boy should probably think of actually generating some profit sometime soon.
>>538189741You clearly have not even the beginning of a clue of what you are talking about. I'm sorry. You are woefully ignorant of this topic which you are attempting to discuss. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that Luminous Studios *did* have debt. I don't know whether or not they did. However, I am telling you that *if* Luminous Studios had any debt, then that figure would have been including during the amortization that occurred during the same quarter that XVI launched. None of this is refutable, it is all fact. >>538189906What would this magical sentence even say? What are you hoping it's going to say?
>>538189906Why do you think a financial report is the same as an accounting book?
>>538189146See >>538180010ff16 budget is verified as $300m by staff who worked on ff16your made up $59m is not even talking about ff16 specifically, just a vague "aaa games can cost as $59" guestimate by a guy who made a post 6 months before ff16 even released and that's after yoshitpiss confirmed ff16 cost minimum $100m, then said it was the most expensive ff ever, which $300m lines up with
>>538190220see>>538189418just post a sentence where they mention luminous studios shutting down in the same report as XVI launch.I’m sure you both can, since you both were so confident in claiming it was just a few minutes ago.
Finally the thread is good again
>>538190440I already posted what you are asking. see >>538188090
>>538190243>LP was the cause of that loss, not XVI>ok then prove it>woah woah woah you think SE would actually say something like thatyoshifags…
>>538188814do you not know what ammortization is>>538188974yes it isSE has also gone on record stating they amortise costs within the 3 months of release but sometimes do it all in the quarter the game releases in if its like ff16 and releasing at the end of a quarter, in ff16s all Its costs were ammortized q1 fy2024forspoken released jan 2023 so start of q4 fyp2023 so no matter what all forspoken costs are accounted for in q4 fy2023
>>538190616that image isn’t the financial report lmao.And that image was made in march, a totally different financial quarter than XVI lmao
>>538190034>Aramaki went from being both the head of a studio AND the director of a video game to being the leader of a teamThat's a demotion
>>538190294see >>538182783300M is nonsense and has been debunked many times59M is much closer to the truth if not the outright truth
>>538189814>>538190243notice how that's from march 2023 so fy2023, not the fy ff16 released in
>>538190220They didn't have any because SE would have disclosed if they didforspokens costs were ammortized in Q4 fy2023ff16 was ammortized in q1 fy2024luminous productions is not hd games sectorff16 is hd games sectorthe loss in operation profits was in hd games sector attributed to the ammortization of ff16s dev and advertising costs SE said they hoped to profit in q2 but that didn't happen either because ff16 stopped selling by week 2 lmao
>>538190958Nigher did you really just read “May 1” as “March?
Methinks FFXVI cost $0 because they didn't spend any effort on the game. They just blew a few million on booze and bitches instead of working on it.
>>538191385Do you think a decline in profits is the same as negative operating income? Do you understand what YoY means?
>>538190616that statement is from march 2023so FY2023 Not FY2024 when FF16 released
>>538190784>And that image was made in march, a totally different financial quarter than XVI lmaoYou really, really, really do not understand how anything works. I've tried to explain it to you, and you've made it clear that you are adamant in failing to understand because the logical (and true) conclusion is one that you would prefer not to arrive at.
It's happening.
>>538190810Literally a promotion, he's leader of the entire bubble on the right now where before he was just head of something equivalent to a creative studio, which he's directly involved with all creative studios now
>>538191772Good fucking luck, honestly. I was actually scared my PS5 would melt (lol) during some of the Eikon fights, so I'm genuinely curious of how they plan to make it run on the S2 without the console exploding.
>>538190878it has never been debunked$300m is verified by staff who worked on ff16 from a financial report made after ff16 releasedyour $59m is a made up guestimate from an analyst from 6 months before ff16 even released and isn't even about ff16 specifically but just AAA games in general costing at least that much now
>>538191979Bro clean the dust off your console.
>>538191697>y-you didn't understandhttps://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/pdf/24q1slides.pdfplease point out where in the financial report where LP is mentioned once please.typing like a grade schooler isn't going to help you I'm afraid.
>>538191862He's going to be in charge of less people. And he's not directing games anymore. That's a demotion.
You can tell Big B is actually getting very upset because this is one of the very rare times I actually see him using punctuation. It's pretty funny.
>>538191772An actual motive to do optimization. Doom 2016 could fit on a Switch in under 30 GB.
>>538192065*reported on a PowerPoint, from a company that did some small localization work for the game,One single slide that clearly only references other companies' reporting on general industry estimates based on nothing.Go ahead and refute that. Show me how I'm wrong.
Between this and the Steam sales stats a few threads ago, I think we should rename ourselves:/ffgg/ - Final Fantasy Guesstimates General
>>538192478You claimed it was from some random dude who slapped the company name on it, so you're already backpedaling from your original stance.
>>538192202>typing like a grade schoolerAnon, if either one of us are typing like a grade schooler, it is (You). I've tried repeatedly to explain things to you and you refuse to listen, even when I create a nice picture for you as seen here: >>538188090You either literally do not and cannot understand, or you are choosing to remain willfully ignorant of facts that are being explained to you in about as clear and concise a manner as it is possible to do simply because you dislike the conclusion that the truth arrives at. *If* Luminous Studios had any debt, Square Enix would have settled it during the same financial quarter that XVI released during. That is just a fact. I don't understand why this is getting you so upset. It's literally just true.
>>538192702>Square Enix would have settled it during the same financial quarter that XVI released duringI gave you the source and you refuse to point it out where they would mention something that important.There's nothing stopping you right now.
>>538191409What's it like being retarded https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228_announcement_EN.htmlIt was announced on 28th of Feb JP time and reported 1st March by Western outletshttps://www.gamesindustry.biz/forspoken-studio-luminous-productions-merged-with-square-enixBeing effective May 1 doesn't mean that's when the bookeeping occurs you idiot
>>538191559Do you not see how the insane negative profits despite ff16s net sales aka revenue from 3m sales means that it didn't profit off its own dev and advertising costs?
>>538192294I like when people bait him into pulling out an old copy/pasta from 2018 or 2019. The stark contrast really shows how much his mental state has eroded over the years.
>>538192604I was referring to the actual original source of the 300m figure that was discussed long ago. This new source is just referring back to that. I'm sure you're well aware of that though.
>>538191772>june 2025that was 3 months ago lil bro and nothing came of it so far
>>538192870EFFECTIVE MAY FIRST DUMBASS
>>538192850>I gave you the sourceNo, anon, I gave (You) the source and you refuse to look at it. It's right here, by the way: >>538188090You can look at it with your eyes open any time that you would like. Luminous Studios was dissolved in the same financial quarter that XVI launched during. As such, if Luminous Studios had any debt at the time of dissolution, Square Enix would have settled it during the same financial quarter that XVI launched during. That's the last time that I'm going to repeat this to you. It cannot be made any clearer for you.
>>538193024Do you think every project a company works on is only paid with debt?
>>538192870>Being effective May 1 doesn't mean that's when the bookeeping occurs you idiotL O L O LThat is exactly what the fuck it means, you absolute mongoloid.
>>538192289He's literally in charge of the entire engine division and director of SEs in house game engine which is an evolution of luminous engine his entire career has been programmer for game engines so now he's leader of SEs division specifically for game engine development he's also still doing r&d for luminous engine too and is directly involved in all the creative studios now that SE is expanding luminous engine to be the defacto SE engine for new AAA titles that started up after the 2024 restructure
>>538189402nobody seems to know. or care.
>>538192478Reported in a financial report for a company that worked on ff16the ff16 stuff is from them because they worked on ff16, the citations are for games they didn't work onyoure clinging to an analyst guestimating shit 6 months before ff16 released and didn't even specify ff16 when talking about $59m being the low ball budget of AAA games these days
>>538193272>No, anon, I gave (You) the sourceno you didn't lol>It's right here, by the way:that's not the financial report lolthis is thoughhttps://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/docs/20230512/page01.html>Meanwhile, we have implemented several initiatives in FY2023/3 to help us to achieve future growth, including the overhaul of our development organization and title portfolio, and the strengthening of our publishing structure.>As part of efforts to strengthen our in-house development capabilities, we are in the process of consolidating our Group development resources through the merger of “FORSPOKEN,” developer Luminous Productions into Square Enix Co., Ltd. We look forward to the benefits the new structure will produce. >We would now like to begin the Financial Results Briefing session of SQUARE ENIX HOLDINGS (the “Company”) for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023 (“FY2023/3”).Not the same FY.sorry, but you lose.
>>538193645>He's literally in charge of the entire engine division and director of SEs in house game engine which is an evolution of luminous enginewhich is going to be a much smaller team than the team that makes up the Creative Studios. And he is no longer directing games.
>>538176904
>>538193204See the February 28th 2023 date? What fiscal quarter is that in?
>>538193925Your accomplice (or actually, (You) are Barry's accomplice) already folded under his own stupidity, little mansee:>>538192870>>538193580
New FFT looking lit.
>>538193272It was merged on the books in fy2023The staff physically went back as SE stsff may 1that also isn't a financial reportalso here is SEs official statement on their corporate site >>538192870Feb 28th is when it occuredAnd here >>538191385SE specifically state the operating income loss is due to amortization of ff16s development and advertising costs in Q1 fy 2024
>>538194467love battle realms
>>538194282>Report is about events ending in march 31, 2023>absolutely no mention in 2024 q1 report>well that doesn't MEAN anythinglmao clown show retard, concession accepted.
>>538194186See that “Effective May 1” line? What financial year is THAT
>>538194467FFT : The Frozen Throne...
>>538192294>>538193082You can tell Big B is owning his interlocutors because they keep making shit up, while Big B is posting direct SE reports and citations from specific quarters in different fiscal years.
>>538194617>>538194531Why are Barry and BA7RY both so flagrantly displaying their own stupidity like this? What would compel you to join forces and compete to see who can be the dumbest "cultist" in this thread? Do you really need to shitpost so bad that you will announce to the world that you are retarded just to do so?
>>538194728>>538194851Can you two explain why its in 2023 (april 2022 - march 2023) but not Q1 2024 with XVI?it should be easy for you both.
>>538192294You REALLY struck a nerve. Better watch out.
>>538194851When you have already decided on a conclusion your only job is to make the data say what you want it to. Instead of reading the data and drawing your conclusions from it.But then, that also requires a basic competency of the material being studied…
>>538194978So you do think a FR is the same as an accounting book. Got it.
>>538193352The difference between ff16 flopping and forspoken flopping is that when forspoken flopped nobody cared because it had such little riding on it to begin with and barely made a dent on SEs financials, while when FF16 flopped, it being SE's flagship title and flopping as bad as it did was catastrophic for SE and the brand, shareholders were furious which caused the stock in Q1 FY2024 to tank far worse than it did from SE's FY2023 results or them announcing Forspoken sales were lacklustre earlier in Q4 FY2023
>>538194978I have tried several times to explain to you that if Luminous Studios was dissolved effective May 1st, then if it had any debts at the time of its dissolution those debts would have been settled during the same quarter that XVI launched during, because the dissolution of Luminous Studios occurred during that same financial quarter (May 1st of the April 1st - June 30th quarter), but neither Barry nor BA7RY seem to be able to understand this for some reason>>538192870>Being effective May 1 doesn't mean that's when the bookeeping occurs you idiot>>538193580>That is exactly what the fuck it means, you absolute mongoloid.
>>538195241considering that's where the accounting is posted for shareholders, you tell me lmao
>>538193580No it isn'tfor example XV dotf dlc was cancelled in September 2018 but wasn't announced til November 2018November 2018 SE announced tabata had resigned SE but Tabata resigned in September not November September 2014 SE announced Nomura was no longer on FFXV but that occured in December 2013 not September 2014
>>538194583I wanna do the same for all the Clans, but I feel more Clans won't have that many units.
>>538195632>No it isn'tGood lord, you are legitimately retarded.
>>538195401>then if it had any debts at the time of its dissolution those debts would have been settled during the same quarter that XVI launched durinlol no that's just you making up excuses to get rid of any blame XVI had.You can't answer me, because you lost ha ha ha.
>>538193961He was only technical director of Forspoken because he was head of luminous productions after tabata left and was handling the technical aspects of the game in relation to game engine development on luminous engine terada was creative director of Forspoken also terafa left SE in September 2023 and went to Platinum Games working on new action games nowAramaki is now director of SEs in house game engine in totality, meaning luminous engines evolution will be spread beyond being used in 1 game at a time now and the entire point of the engine dev division is to be the division that assists on engine dev for teams using the engine going forward, so literally involved in multiple games now
>>538196043It's genuinely amazing to me that (You) are equally as retarded as Barry with exactly the same cult-like "conclusion-first" ideology as him.
>>538196217straight to insults in the face of losing an argument
>>538194282See the date up top?
>>538196275I can only repeat the same explanation so many times, tiny little man. You've demonstrated that you are not smart enough to understand, and I didn't even think it was something that required a lot of brain power either.
>>538194728because that's when they are physically moving bookkeeping was done by end of fy2023 and fy2023 report is when its mentioned not q1fy2024
>>538196467Making up excuses that don't follow any real facts can only go so far for you I'm afraid.
>Paulie prides himself on being BA7RY to Barry's BarryWhat a miserable fanbase to be part of
Forspoken and that SE Marvel game flopping had a huge impact. All Luminous btw.
>>538194742I praise Big B for posting direct SE reports, however given that he entered the thread claiming XIV didn't make any profit in the last year when it really made 9.6 billion yen has me questioning his ability to understand these reports.
>>538197716>however given that he entered the thread claiming XIV didn't make any profit in the last year when it really made 9.6 billion yenIt's even more egregious than that. The MMO division (XIV + DQX + XI [if it's even profitable]) made 9.6 billion yen in only the past quarter. There are 3 additional quarters to comprise a year.
>>538195035Big B is owning you.
Fuck sake the Serpent has nothing.
>>538195401SE holds the final earnings report for a previous fiscal year in may
>>538195736FY2024 report makes no mention of Luminous Productions or Forspoken It does however mention XVI which they specifically singled out as causing the OI to tank in Q1 FY2024Meanwhile FY2023 report is where all mention of luminous productions and forspoken results happened
>>538196217xvifags like you can never accept realitythe first ever mention of SE restructuring was after ff16 released btw, and was directly caused by ff16 flopping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRi2xsei_o
>>538196908SE marvel was crystal dynamics in california that had literally nothing to do with luminous and also released in 2020 in the same fy as ff7rforspoken released fy2023ff16 released fy2024 and tanked the oi and stock price worse than anything forspoken did
>>538191772They just really want it to flop on all three consoles + PC.
why doesn't odin ride a chocobo
>>538191772so it can flop a 4th time?
>>538191772I don't see any reason why it would be worth getting over pic.
so ff16 tonnerries in the dlc were repurposed cut content that they lied about being in main game before release
>>538188262Tifa....
>>538200249Don’t forget they also have Bayonetta. There’s no reason for them to buy XVI when they already have much better action games available to them.
>>538200249FFXVI is the better game.
>after a 20 minute break of complete silence, Barry and BA7RY have strapped back in and are at it againI wonder what they did while they were away.
>>538200653Not even close.
>XVI better than DMC3
>>538200653by being worse in everything
>>538200653Afraid it's true. Surprised this is even controversial in a Final Fantasy general.
>>538200664B won btw
>>538200796We don't like Final Fantasy here. Every other game series is presumed better.
I don't that poorly cloning DMC makes a Final Fantasy game better than the best DMC just because of a logo on a box.
>>538200796ffxvi is the worst ff an arpg ever made no wonder yoshitpiss was demoted afterwards >>538200945xvi isnt ffits a fake game hijacking the ff name
>>538200945True. Even Final Fantasy VII is just Ubislop now, no better than Assassin's Creed.
>>538200653Afraid so. FFXVI sold more, and if there's anything I've learned on /ffg/, more sales = winning bigly.
>>5382013174.5 million sales> 3 million shipped and digitally sold
>>538200796The post that angered the anti-yoshida cult.
>FFXVI is an uninspired clone kusoge, but if you suck its cock that means you're a true FF fan for swallowing absolutely anything they shit outYeah, I don't think so. I like FF games, which means party based games with unique mechanics that blends gameplay elements with storytelling. XVI is not that game. If you like FF, you have to realize this.
>>538201317>if there's anything I've learned on /ffg/, more sales = winning biglyTrue. I've learned this as well. That's why /ffg/ loves Yoshida and XIV so much - it's because it is the single most profitable Final Fantasy game in existence, and therefore it is also the best one.
I’m not even sure I’d say that XVI is better than DMC2.
>>538200796A shoddy imitation has no chance against the original.
>they worship Yoshida because of the money he made for the company (money that was taken from their pocket)The strangest cults are the ones that worship money.
>>538201317>if there's anything I've learned on /ffg/, more sales = winning biglyUNLESS Yoshida is involved in it, then suddenly sales don't mean anything anymore.
>>538200974I played both and enjoyed Final Fantasy more.
>>538201841>The strangest cults are the ones that worship money.Look around you. Don't you see all of the sales, earnings report, and Steam concurrent user conversation? Those are the things that are most important to /ffg/. Even Barry bends the knee to king Yoshida, lord of the sales.
Where did the money come from? Did it come from releasing a single player RPG that sold lots of copies for many years?Or did it come from monthly subscriptions and a cash shop?
>>5382014742.3 million sold in the generation it launched.Including ports from later generations is an unfair advantage.
>>538201474We know that XVI has sold more than 3.5 between PS5 and PC. We're likely at 5M now but they won't release it as not to embarrass Rebirth, which is totally fair.
>>538202012That says more about your tastes than much else. The depth of DMC3 isn't found in most modern action games at all.
>>538201879I cared about sales a lot and I shitposted about XVI's 3 million sales every single day for 9 months. Then, when Rebirth didn't even have a sales announcement, and still to this day has not had a sales announcement, I began to not care as much about sales and I insisted that anyone who mentions sales is a shitposter.
>>538201769It's why I prefer Far Cry to Rebirth desu
>>538202219>We're likely at 5M now but they won't release it as not to embarrass Rebirth, which is totally fair.While I can't say one way or the other whether 5m is a valid figure, you do bring up an interesting point about Rebirth. They can't give XVI a sales update before they say anything about Rebirth. It would look even worse than it already does to have not said anything at all about Rebirth's sales.
>>538202352Michael Mando is one of my favorite actors in Better Call Saul just because of Vaas.
>>538202219>>538202451That's sadly the reason they had to go radio silent after the initial Over 3M announcement and had to silence that journo only pegging it at 3.5.We are easily over 4M and very likely at 5M now. The 10/10 FFXVI was just winning too bigly for VIIbirth...
It is extremely revealing the way that Yoshi simps will literally put their neck on the line for Yoshida in absolutely any way possible, even directly contradicting themselves.XVI was made to appeal to a young audience, but also "only zoomers dislike XVI"?Rebirth is Ubisoft because it's side content and mini games, while XVI is a "standard Final Fantasy" game?XVI is quite literally a poor mans DMC, but it's actually somehow better than DMC3 (the very best and influential one) because "Final Fantasy" is on the box?Will they admit their tribalistic logic means that Rebirth is better than the best Ubisoft game? Just because FF is on the box?Or does "FF" being on the box only matter when it's "CS3" on the box?
>>538202841Shut up the fuck, fatherless loser.
>>538202712>The 10/10 FFXVI was just winning too bigly for VIIbirth...They really need to launch Part 3 as a complete bundle of all 3 games for like $70 or $80. Otherwise, I genuinely fear for how poor its sales might be. They should sell a complete bundle, all 3 games, same price as a regular game, and that way they can also count every sale as "3" different sales of the Remake trilogy, and then they can massively inflate the numbers to like ~15 million or something like that from just 2 million in sales of Part 3. (7+2+6)
>>538202917Nerves struck, are they? You're in a cult, you know.
>>538201761I was going to say you were crazy, but gun to my head if you asked me to choose between an action game that is completely busted but can be knocked out in 5 hours or less, or an action game that is 30 hours long and might put me to sleep, I might need to go with the former.
>>538202917You struck a nerve, the fatherless didn't even bother playing dumb this time. You angered him THAT much.
>>538203220Hahahahaha he thinks XVI is better than DMC3 because he's in a cult
This is what XVI needed. It's a game much longer than any DMC playthrough therefore it needed different weapons with big movesets. SoP did this right with many weapon and a job system.
DMC3 is 20 years old and is still being copied.Wonder what XVIs legacy will be in 2043.
>>538203220So did you, the fatherless is malding right now.
>>538203428>every Eikon swaps your weapon loadout like Jobs>unique gameplay identities for each weapon>elemental systems in tact, MP>unique status effects and itemization>Scan/Libra, enemy Bestiary>customizable Commands on the D pad to give Commands to party members for set upsEven if you aren't going to make a party based RPG, you can still make a functioning action game with Final Fantasy elements that could scale up to that 40-50 hour mark.It didn't happen though. It's a watered down action game that relies on MMO cooldowns and lacks any sort of real enemy mechanics.
>>538202012Millions felt similarly
>>538202352>I actually prefer half baked adventure shooter slop with zero depth where you heal by breaking your finger back in place and clear out 100 enemy camps, to the party based JRPG Final Fantasy game with 9 characters to play as and over 100 hours of optional toy box fun.>Because I'm in a cult and will say and do absolutely anything in order to shitpost "the other side", when shitposting the only single player FF game that rekindles a speck of the golden age of FF in 20 yearsWhat an embarrassment.
I can confidently say that I enjoyed FF16 more than DmC, DMC4 and DMC5
>>538204778Not that hard, the only good DmC is DmC 2.
Rebirth > DMC3 > Stranger of Paradise > XV = XIII >>>>>> XVI
>>538204736>shitposting the only single player FF game that rekindles a speck of the golden age of FF in 20 yearsI didn't shitpost the 10/10 Final Fantasy XVI though.I was just being honest about Ubisoftbirth.
>>538204969Nah, XVI sweeps all of those handily.
>>538204841True, I did have a lot of fun with 2
>>538205030>>538205173XVI faggots are truly subhumans.
>>538203428A fucking prototype chinese gacha could dohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUwzsXEeBU4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4m8gkqNmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VfsdZK8Uwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivndcMphvm0There's no real excuse for modern AAA games being incapable.
>>538205439I did like SoP and Rebirth btw. I just think XVI is better than both. SoP is better than Rebirth imo.XIII and XV are pretty bottom tier so I'm not even sure why they were brought up.XVI, Rebirth and SoP should definitely be compared to the PS1 classics.
>>538204778That is really bad taste. Nero the way he is in 4 alone has more depth than all of Clive.
>>538205676>XVI>PS1 classic>mainline title>no party members>no side content>no FF gameplay elements>console puts itself to sleep during the cutscenesSomebody come get this nigga.
>>538205612Off-topic nobody cares about your gachasDon't assume that XVI was trying to mimic DMC anyway. They hybridized it to do their own thing.
i have a feeling part 3 is gonna have two parts. one to deal with Ever Crisis content and Before Turks while the other half would deal with the entire game. Unless that's another intergrade. would you want a separate game for First Soldier/ Before Crisis? I wish they stop making slop based on ethnics and western pandering.
>>538205786I like 4 but that's not really true at all.
I have a feeling Part 3 is going to be even better than we can possibly imagine.
>>538205843>racism outside of /b/Not beating the ban evading allegations, fatherless.
I know for a fact that Part 3 is going to be my most favorite video game of all time. That is, until they Remake the Remake in 2050. Medicaid willing, I will still be alive to see it through.
>>538205854>Don't assume that XVI was trying to mimic DMC anyway. They hybridized it to do their own thing.They did the former and failed the latter. Clive's fighting is more like Nero with a Stinger and they bragged they poached a single combat developer from DMC5. They also didn't hybridize anything, they just removed features until it's almost unrecognizable. What did they add? QTEs and extending slow motion from dodging enemy attacks with massive dodge windows? Or the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm kaiju battles that remove most of your moves?
>>538206143Calling you nigga isn't racism. If I was a nigga myself, would you call me a racist? You're just fucking cringe. Pussy migrant.
I hope Elena wants to go build a snowman in part III
>>538206008Easily so. Red Queen lets you pause between hits for different combos. Nearly every enemy has a different Buster animation. His Exceed system and Max Act rewards timing your shoulder buttons. Clive doesn't have these features.
>>53817177916 is a great game but Ultima was overshadowed by Anabella, he doesn't provoke any strong emotions because everything he did is not personal (until the end). He kind of sounds autistic and monotone so he doesn't provoke any strong emotions that would make him memorable.>>53817515915 was mediocre but Ardyn accomplished everything he set out to accomplish. He beat the hero
>>538205843Different approach but it pays homage to the classics. Theme, atmosphere and story are more important than checklists when it comes to FF. We've had plenty of spinoffs try a variety of things but still keep the feel of Final Fantasy.FFXVI did this really well.
>>538206143You struck a nerve.
>>538195615Where is this fabled accounting book in any FR anon?
>>538206245CUTE
>>538171779>what should've been
>>538206386I like Anabella and Ultima. Both are great villains for different reasons. Loved both of their voice actors too.
>>538206396>it pays homage to the classics>surface level references to SNES games are more important than crafting any relevant gameplay mechanics>the existence of spin offs means that a mainline title is allowed to completely abandon party member gameplayYou are out of your mind.
>>538206319They weren't going for that. They had the means to implement DMC combat 1:1 if they really wanted to.That was not the goal. FFXVI wanted to take good parts from DMC, XIV and XV to create a great combat system all their own.They succeeded. That's what Final Fantasy is about. For those that dare to tread new paths to create something new in spite of the risks.
If making a game with a game of FFXVI's length with a single weapon for your protagonist, why does it lack this? By delaying your second press inbetween hits, you segway into different combos with different purposes. It's a way to have more moves without a single secondary input.
>>538206453https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/24q1earnings.pdf
>>538206994>They had the means to implement DMC combat 1:1 if they really wanted to.>That was not the goal.>FFXVI wanted to take good parts from DMC, XIV and XV to create a great combat system all their own.>They succeeded.No, they didn't. They utterly failed to produce anything of worth. They weren't going for anything of substance or use. The best parts of DMC are 100% absent from FFXVI. No combo variety, no different weapons to style on enemies, no in-depth high skill ceiling to master any weapon. DMC's complexity has been a key part of its identity as an action game. There are tournaments for this single player series for nothing but who can do the more stylish combo. There is depth in DMC that you won't find in nearly any other game. Remove the depth and you don't have DMC.
Theme, atmosphere and story are more important than 'checklists' when it comes to FF.And that's why the theme of FFXVI is "magic is bad and you are obligated to destroy your cultural traditions at all costs because racism exists".That's why the atmosphere of XVI is dark, dimly lit, and poorly realized altogether, like any generic modern game environment just had some FF monster designs pasted on top.And that's why the story of XVI is about one single mans lifelong quest to punch "god" in the face so he can free all the magic slaves from magical subjugation.
>>538207106According to this SE doesn’t make anything at all! Just moves money around!This isn’t an account book retard.
>>538207396swing and a miss retort lil bro.Come back when you have something to substantial to defend XVI's honor with.
>>538207106This literally cannot be XVI, it literally cannot be Remake, and it literally cannot be XIV. It can only be defunct gacha and Luminous Studios.
>>538206994Truer words have never been spoken
>>538206994>he thinks they took a risk when developing XVIFarcical.
>>538207337It's more a theme of progress, evolution and perseverance of humanityYou can see it as woke if you want but it's all presented through mysoginistic and anti-woke Maehiro's direction
>>538207554>$292,000 United States Dollars is what the yoshicult have been clinging onto for 2 years.pfffffffffttt ha ha ha ha.
FFXVI wanted to take good parts from DMC, XIV and XV to create a great combat system all their own.They succeeded. That's why absolutely nobody is asking for the next game to play like XVI.
>>538207837The theme is actually quite literally "Final Fantasy's legacy mechanics are outdated rubbish and should be systematically dismantled via genre kitbashing and a perverted defilement of RPGs"
>>538206534Bitch poked a dragon and found out.Seeing Dion kill her husband and laugh at her after killing her kid was the epitome of final fantasy. It only worked because she was such a cunt that it felt so satisfying. However, I don't really feel anything for most villains. For example I don't feel anything towards Sephiroth, Seymour looks stupid and his name is stupid so I couldn't take him seriously. I don't even remember what Vayne did. >>538206534Ultima felt a condescending autistic dude, Ardyn had charm
>>538207885It better not that shallow. It's the most anti-DMC game I've ever played and this counts DmC. There are past FF titles with some of the features I've criticized FFXVI for lacking. Both XV and SoP have >>538207028 and they weren't intentionally taking from DMC. It's like they surgically found features common to both DMC and recent FF titles and removed them for FFXVI.
>>538206515the manga i don't even know what's happening anymore. boruto is offering momoshiki a compensation to take over his body.
>>538208076>a homosexual murdering a child is the epitome of Final FantasyWhat the fuck sick shit goes on inside your cultist head?
The epitome of Final Fantasy is Eclaire, actually
>>538207843Actually, the only thing I said was something rather matter of fact and factual, which I tried to explain many times, but Barry and BA7RY are simply too retarded to be able to understand anything. So, I'll once again direct you to this image: >>538188090The only thing I ever said is that if Luminous Studios had any debt at the time of its dissolution, then SE would have settled the debt during the same financial quarter that XVI released during. That is simply a factual statement. I never claimed that Luminous Studio did have debt, only that if it did, it would appear in the same quarter that XVI released during. It's just a very simple and truthful statement, and you spent hours defending Barry because you're too stupid to even understand what you're arguing about. Also, I haven't actually review the report. I just scanned it for things that cannot possibly be anything current and could be Luminous Studios. We still don't know if it even had any debt. However, if it did, that would appear in the same quarter that XVI released during. Do you feel stupid now? You should.
Wait a minute, it's on Steam?...is it as good as IV?
>>538208253As expected the people that bitch the most about ffxvi didn't even play the game
>>538208473>really is clinging to 300 grand to own le heckin barrydamn, XVI flopping truly mindbroke you.
>>538208626It's very stylistically different with focus on a job system and 4 permanent party members who swap jobs.
>>538208750What happened is that I said a truthful and factual statement that both you and Barry were adamantly too retarded to even attempt to understand, and as a result you melted down for hours and are still melting. We do have gems like this though: >>538192870>Being effective May 1 doesn't mean that's when the bookeeping occurs you idiot>>538193580>That is exactly what the fuck it means, you absolute mongoloid.So your collective stupidity was good for something.
>>538208987>What happened is that I said a truthful and factual statementsaying a penny is 1/100th of a dollar is also a truthful and factual statement.Congrats on proving that LP didn't make a dent into the loss (caused by XVI) that you and your cult wished it did. I hope the ego trip was worth it!
>>538208842Yeah, but IV's 3D Edition added a lot of story and little things, is it the same for III?
>>538209290I don't understand why you're still trying to manufacture a tiny victory out of proving yourself to be a retard. Do you have no shame?
>>538209405>tiny victory300 grand is not the loss you wish it was lil bro, its time to move on and admit XVI flopped bigly.
>>538209497You spent hours proving definitively that you are retarded and you will stop at nothing as long as you can shitpost about it... and you still do not have the shame to know when to quit. You truly are fatherless.
>>538209727that's a whole lot of crying to admit that 300 grand is pennies to the billions lost by XVI.
>>538209376It shifted a few things around. Your 4 characters have different personalities from the 4 Onion Kids. You start with a Freelancer class that isn't the same endgame beast from V and you get Onion Knight through what was formerly trading texts on DS but ought to be doable solo on PC. Sage and Ninja are nerfed and not obtained through Eureka, instead the last crystal. Magic Knight is replaced by Dark Knight. I don't know if I recall any other big changes.
>>538207885I'm asking.
>>538175159BAD VILLAINS:Seymour, Yu YevonGOOD Villains: Jecht, Wakka
>>538209376>>538209861I remember again there's this ultimate blacksmith character who gives you weapons for maxing out your job levels. And the superboss is the Iron Giant.
>>538209807XVI profited week one lil broWe've established this many times
>>538211379>XVI profited week onelollmao even
I'm a neutral observer here but it seems to me that XVI-kun won this one bigly
Barnabas is pretty similar to Beatrix, isn't he?So Ultima is Brahne then.
>538207885>538208076>538206994>538205030>538204736>538203971>538213389Hey Larry, aka XVI-kun, aka Deamboum, aka Frenchie.You know, I just realized... you're always spamming male characters in this thread.Like, only dudes. Every single time. Starting to think you might just be 100% genuine faggot, lmao.Also, why do you keep defending XVI when it's clearly woke and pozzed to hell?
>>538213739Not Final Fantasy
>>538213739You REALLY struck a nerve. Better watch out.
>>538213389There is a lot of IX in XVI.Ultima is a pretty clear mix of Brahne, Garland and Necron.Ultima's goal is to revive his race like Garland wanted to revive the Terrans, and he wants to use Clive as a vessel just as Garland wanted to use the Genomes.
>>538213739Larry, (XVI-kun, aka Deamboum, aka Frenchie) meltdown in 1...2...
This thread is so goddamn awful today
>>538213739Not like it’s a secret anymore, he already outed himself as mentally ill homosexual
>>538213984XVI should have had Burmecians.
>>538213389So you're saying that Ultima is trans
My wife Eiko is very cute!
>>538215482The bestest
>>53821499814 should add them so we get a proper furry race
>>538215936Would be cool. I hope they do. Though after the female football player shoulders hrothgar and their reception...they'll probably shy away from adding furry races altogether
If 16 was such a failure and it’s debts spiked YoY earnings, why did SE’s liabilities sink lower from the previous year?
2b tifa soon
>>538219074>sold three million copies of their flagship product in a week>barely even moved the needleAbsolutely grim.
>>538201731My problem with FF14 is that its built up so much technical debt that it either dies as they develop FF14-2 or they don't make FF14-2 and there's no next game to hand it off to and it just dies a sad slow death of less people wanting to play the expansion after Dawntrail, then less after that one, etcas it is the game is fine but a live service games live and die by their trajectory and its trajectory is grim because everyone has played it now and they've seen its flaws and the flaws are there because SE kept thinking about the next expansion and didn't critically engage with FF14s flaws.
>>538219074"XVI-kun" and "yoshicultist" here. I'm actually all of the bogeymen, but last time I named them one of you deleted my post cuz he was mad. I'm also the guy who actually knows what he's talking about that proved Barry and BA7RY wrong earlier. None of you guys have any fucking clue what you're talking about with these earnings reports. Anyway:>Notes and accounts payable - decreasedLikely they let go of some contract workers >Income taxes payableThey made more money, and must now pay more income taxes>Provision for bonusesDecreased. Someone took a bonus cut or several people took a bonus cut. I haven't looked at all earnings reports, but Kiryu also officially became CEO around this time (I forget the exact date). It could be the previous CEO's bonus was cut, or it could be a restructuring of company bonuses done by Kiryu.>Refund liabilitiesIncreased, likely provisioning for possible XVI refunds - a necessary for new releases and not indicative of SE's perception of the quality of XVI>OtherIncreased - we have no idea what it meansSo current liabilities seem to have increased very slightly? I'm too lazy to do numbers, but it's close to break evenNon-current liabilities (will occur in the future, not immediate):>---This is mostly unchanged, who even cares, not worth commenting on, maybe one person retired
>>538219074Do you even know how liabilities work? It’s not some number that changes just because a game drops. It’s stuff like unpaid bills, taxes, payroll, etc. Unless they took out a loan to make FF16, it’s got nothing to do with it.FY2023 ended on March 31, 2023. The drop in liabilities came in the next quarter, probably just normal cleanup like bonuses and taxes being paid out. It had nothing to do with game sales
>>538220967According to the other anon SE didn’t start paying debt on 16 until after release. So why is that debt owed not added to the liabilities of that year?If 16’s debts weren’t being added to the books until after release where are they?
>>538188262>>538171520>>538114945Why is she flaunting her armpits?
>>538222083I'm the guy who explained the line items to you whom you did not reply to. I don't know what you're talking about, but if you can point to something I can explain it to you. Keep in mind that the person you're talking about probably also came into this thread, saw a "decrease YoY" and then falsely asserted that "XIV made zero dollars in the past year", which is so stupid it shouldn't even need to be explained.
>>538219997keep in mind that's completely setting aside the failure of dawntrail's story, its cash shop and lack of meaningful rewards, I'm talking purely in terms of job design, features, gameplay, etc.There are more problems than that but the foundational problems can never be fixed because we should've been beta testing FF14-2 like,this year but we weren't because they decided to do dawntrail and more expansions.
>>538222682This anon >>538190759 says SE didn't start making payments on 16 until after release. So where are those payments? Where is that money owed? SE has no listing of the amount of debt they hold.
>>538222083Like I said, unless SE took out a new loan for games like FF16 right before FY2023 ended, there’s no new debt. The dev costs were booked as assets during development, then dumped into expenses after release. That hit profits, not liabilities.So yeah, it affected earnings, not debt, people mixing up liabilities and expenses don’t understand how accounting works.
>>538187935>That isn't his game"The completed app is a new type of app that is difficult to categorize in a good way; it can be described as a game" ~ Hajime Tabata, JP UNIVERSE, Inc. CEO and Game Creator
>>538168943>Would you buy an FF Tactics sequel?No, I would dedicate all these resources to Asano's team, give them to Kazuya Miyakawa to make Triangle Strategy 2, because I am more confident that Miyakawa definitely will:1) Write a good, solid, meaningful story.2) Implement something new mechanically into the Tactics formula, while preserving its foundation, as was done in TS with the example of the elemental system reacting to the environment.
>>538190759>>538223476>SE has also gone on record stating they amortise costs within the 3 months of release but sometimes do it all in the quarter the game releases in if its like ff16 and releasing at the end of a quarter, in ff16s all Its costs were ammortized q1 fy2024If I am taking this as fact and attempting to locate this money given these parameters, we can look at the September 30th report (the quarter immediately following XVI's release) and find an increase in the "Other" category of liabilities to the tune of what currently amounts to ~$54 million USDIf we work under the assumption, as stated, that this is a sort of lump sum payment of XVI's entire development cost, then it would be in line with the "$59 million" figure that has been thrown around previously as to how much XVI cost to produce.So, if we take what he is claiming at face value, believe that it is true, search for the money within SE's earnings reports within the timeframe allotted by the poster himself, then we arrive at the conclusion that Final Fantasy XVI cost ~$54 million USD to develop and made $150 million USD in the first 6 days, meaning that if we take him at his word at face value and follow the money set forth by his own parameters, then XVI made nearly $100 million dollars in its first 6 days of release.
>>538190759>>538223476>>538226179Actually, no, I fucked up. I was looking at total liabilities. The "Other" category is only ~5,500 million yen, or 5.5 billion yen, or ~37 million USD. So the amount that XVI cost, going by what he himself said, is even lower than $54 million. Again, this is just taking his assertion of fact at face value and believing what he says and then searching for the money paid in one lump sum as her asserts it is done (I do not know this, he said it, not me). I can find no similar evidence of such costs being amortized in q1 fy2024, but q2 fy2024 has something going on. Again, this is just taking that post as fact and attempting to find the numbers that belong to it.
>>538226179>>538226880Thank you Anon.
>>538227187>samefagging this hard
>>538227726No, he's not. Keep in mind, all I'm doing is taking an assertion and attempting to find the money that belongs to that assertion given the timeframe that the assertion allows. If we take his post at face value, XVI cost ~$37 million to produce and made ~$113 million in profit. The reality is that there is much more going on inside of a company than a single game's production, release, and profit. We also have no fucking clue what "Other" truly means. I'm just taking his post and believing it as fact and applying what else we know (XVI sold 3 million copies in 6 days) to that equation.
>>538225529>1) Write a good, solid, meaningful story.together with this baldie, cause he's the main writer*. I like him.
I refuse to believe that the budget for XVI was 59 million. Too smol.
>>538228557It's probly 100M... 150M at the absolute MAX.No way in hell it's 300M thoughbeit.
>>538228557>>538229013youre thinking of cost in terms of western developers.consider the followingOT is nonexistent in JapanUnions are nonexistent in Japan"Crunch" is every day in Japan
>>538226179there’s so much wrong with this it’s crazy.first, the "$59m" ff16 budget is just some random number that got passed around reddit. keywords studios, who worked on the game, put ff16 at $300m+ in their investor deck.second, the "$150m revenue = $100m profit" math is straight-up wrong. square doesn’t get the full sale price. blatantly ignoring sony’s platform cut (usually around 30% of the sale price), retail fees, marketing, and other costs. actual take-home is way less, more like half at best.third, linking dev costs to a jump in "other" liabilities shows you don’t get accounting. dev costs aren’t liabilities. they’re assets amortized as expenses on the income statement, not liabilities. even if fully amortized in q1 fy2024, it wouldn’t show as liabilities in q2.last, you’re acting like ff16 is the only thing making money for square enix. it’s not. ff16 sells less than their other games and business.if ff16 was really selling well, they’d be bragging about it everywhere, not hiding the numbers in some random line. trying to say all that cash comes from ff16 is just dumb.
>>538228557correct, 59 million is some bullshit number with no credible source behind it
>>538229715>there’s so much wrong with this it’s crazy.Didn't read the rest. Everything I said is correct using the parameters that I was given. For reference: >>538190759>SE has also gone on record stating they amortise costs within the 3 months of release but sometimes do it all in the quarter the game releases in if its like ff16 and releasing at the end of a quarter, in ff16s all Its costs were ammortized q1 fy2024
>>538229436Remake's budget was ~$140 million.XIII's budget was ~$65 million.Etc.By Japanese budget standards of ten or twenty years ago, XVI's budget is just smol.
>>538229715>>538229995Anon never said 59 million Barry.
>>538230128so not only are you ignorant, you’re also illiteratestop posting financial stuff next time, you clearly know nothing about it.>>538230313lol nice try loser
>>538230313That's Lightning avatarfag larping as Barry. Yes, he is that retarded.
>>538229715>>538229995Damn you destroyed him good
>>538230484TIL 54 = 59 according to retards in ffg
>>538229715XVI truly was a failure huh?its the worst selling FF ever for a reason
I'm counting the developers of XVI and the team already exceeds 300 people. I will not count until the end, cause I think the point is clear: such an army cannot be fed with 59 million for 7-8 years. IMPOSSIBURU!!!
>>538230620well, it’s been fun. always funny seeing ignorant retards think they understand how financial stuff works.
>>538230774Also, I really meant ~$37 million, I was looking at the wrong number when drawing on the first image. And also *I* didn't even say that. Barry did. I'm just taking what Barry said at face value and believing it's true. For him to disagree with me means that he's actually disagreeing with Barry, because I'm just displaying the numbers that Barry is referencing in the post I linked.
>>538231056lol stop posting, you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.go back to spamming nonsensical stuff like 10/10 ff16, barry, fatherless, etc. that suits you better, this financial stuff clearly isn’t for you.
>>538231751>go back to spamming nonsensical stuff like 10/10 ff16I have literally never said this.
>>538229715>third, linking dev costs to a jump in "other" liabilities shows you don’t get accounting. dev costs aren’t liabilities. they’re assets amortized as expenses on the income statement, not liabilities. even if fully amortized in q1 fy2024, it wouldn’t show as liabilities in q2.Selling, general and administrative expenses grew from 64,802 to 67,546 or a rise of 2,744 million yen ($18 million) Sep '22 to Sep '23Incidentally if you take that 18 million and add it to the 37 from liabilities to pay off debt you get $55 million.IDK Barry sounds like FF16 cost around 54-59 million to make.
>>538232910you clearly have no idea how accounting works. sales, general & administrative (sg&a) covers everything from admin salaries to office, it’s not dev cost. dev costs are capitalized and amortized through cost of sales, not liabilities or sg&a.credible sources have stated that ff16 cost $300 million to make, and i’ll take that over some nonsense cooked up by an ignorant retard like you.just randomly adding numbers from unrelated line items to match your headcanon budget isn’t analysis, it’s cope. stop pretending you know this stuff.you're fucking embarrassing dude.
>>538233494>dev costs are capitalized and amortized through cost of sales, not liabilities or sg&a.SE Cost of Sales grew from 72,545 to 87,162 or a rise of 14,617 million ten ($99 million) from Sep '22 to Sep '23. Incidentally if you take that 99 million and add the 37 from liabilities to pay off debt you get $136 million.IDK Barry sounds like FF16 didn't cost $300 million to make like some random website said
>>538232910Stop replying to the Lightning avatarfag. Neither he nor Barry have *any* idea what they are talking about. They both spent multiple hours earlier being ignorant of the fact that "Effective May 1st" means that it is a change that is effective (and officially reflected) beginning on May 1st. They are both quite literally retarded. Not a single thing going on in their tiny little brain besides a small alter dedicated to hate worshiping Yoshida at all costs.
>>538232547don't pay him any mindyou are owning him with facts and logic and he's just desperately lashing out as usual
>detective-kun went to great schizo lengths to debunk $59M>detective-kun went to no such lengths to debunk the ridiculous 300M claimCurious.
>>538233909other liabilities aren’t dev costs lol, those are just debts and payables.dev costs get capitalized as assets and amortized over time in cost of sales, not dumped into liabilities or SG&A all at once.and it’s hilarious you’re using sep ’23 as proof when ff16 dropped in june ’23.>june 30, 2023 (q1 fy2024): cost of sales was about ¥87,378 million ($660 million usd)>september 30, 2023 (q2 fy2024): cost of sales was about ¥87,162 million ($658 million usd)so cost of sales actually decreased slightly (~¥216 million or ~$1.6 million) from june to september.means you’re just pulling random numbers to fit your headcanon.also it’s funny you’re calling eppylion analytics and keyword studios “some random website,” when both are official partners of major companies including square enix. their data is legit, analyzed and validated by industry pros, unlike your clueless rambling.
>>538236180He has one single mind, and it is that he hates Yoshida. It's not more complicated than that. He is not a complicated person. He is a simpleton.
>>538236815>other liabilities aren’t dev costs lol, those are just debts and payables.Ah, so FF16 only cost $99 Million. Still not the $300 you claimed.>dev costs get capitalized as assets and amortized over time in cost of sales, not dumped into liabilities or SG&A all at once.We covered this here. >>538233909 you are in fact replying to it. Did you not read the post you are replying to?>and it’s hilarious you’re using sep ’23 as proof when ff16 dropped in june ’23.You are the one that said SE would amortalize cost over the next three months here. >>538190759. I'll even quote you.>SE has also gone on record stating they amortise costs within the 3 months of release but sometimes do it all in the quarter the game releasesSeptember 30 is three months after June Barry. 16 released Q1FY24. 16's "amortise costs" would be reflected in a Sep 30 Q2FY24 report.>so cost of sales actually decreased slightly (~¥216 million or ~$1.6 million) from june to september.Ah so the development cost was even lower than the $99 million estimated. Thank you for pointing that out.> their data is legit, analyzed and validated by industry prosThat's nice. But Square Enix's financial reports say differently.
>>538238551Based, true and factual as always
>>538238551Based and truthpilled. The anti-yoshida death cult will never recover from this.
I saw quite a lot of weird things, but trying to larp as Barry to "own" your thread enemies (and absolutely failing because you can't hide your obvious resentment born from your inferiority complex) is definitely curious behavior. What drives this?
>>538239381Who are you talking to?
FF7 fans just couldn't handle that the characters didn't interact with everyone like their fanfictions. Like they expect Cloud to have an identity crisis about Zack when he ' already alive in the alternate universe and Sephiroth is seconds away from becoming God. I blame the MCU.
>>538240231FF fans haven't recovered from FF16 being shit and this post is proof
Sheep did nothing wrong.
>no one validated my post so i'm replying to it myselfBoth of your posts are retarded
>>538240340full-blown schizo ^
>>538240231...why the MCU???
>>538238551lol you clearly don’t understand a single thing about finance. thinking “other liabilities” = dev cost is peak cluelessness lmao.you’re just doubling down on the same nonsense I already called out and it’s wild how you're still missing the point.that whole “three months after release” line wasn’t even mine. you’re quoting your own post like it proves anything.I already explained >>538233494 >>538236815 : dev costs get capitalized as assets and then amortized through cost of sales, not thrown into “other liabilities” or SG&A in one giant lump.and funny you're still clinging to Sep '23 numbers like they matter? FF16 dropped in June. if the cost was fully amortized, it happened in Q1 FY2024, not Q2. Q2 has literally nothing to do with it.>Square Enix's financial reportssquare enix’s own financial reports show profits dropped hard in Q1, because dev costs were expensed then, not stored as liabilities.just like I said from the start >>538224039>dev costs were booked as assets during development, then dumped into expenses after release. That hit profits, not liabilities.and yeah, I’ll take Eppylon’s and Keyword Studios’ numbers, real industry partners with actual data, over some random retard playing accountant with random figures he barely understands.
>>538240231You upset someone with this post and they cried immediatelyGood job
>>538240861Barry looks like that??!
>>538240861We know that 59M and 300M are both extreme outliers estimated by retards.So let's just call it 150M and move on?
>>538240861Ah yes, that's the tard that sourced his 300M guesstimate for XVI from the Sony court case leaks about Horizon and TLoU2 budgets.
>>538239381Yeah, that was a really odd card to pull out of his back pocket for no reason. He was doing it for a while too. He might still be doing it? I dunno I'm not really paying attention.
reminder this is probably the same retard who goes through mental gymnastics to say that Yoshida saying XVI’s budget being over 100m wasn’t him actually saying it was about XVI.
>>538241874Well he said game budgets these days approach 100m100M-130M for XVI budget is reasonable
>>538242060>130m>SoTR’s budget was 135m>sold 4m>SE said it flopped>XVI only sold 3moh yeah, XVI crashed and burned alright.
>>538242354By those estimates Shadow of The Tomb Raider profited though, as did XVI week one.
>>538242713lollmao even.
>>538242713It stands to reason that even Rebirth may have profited as well despite its meager sales, since its budget was likely 100M or less.
>>538240661>he didn't played the games Retard
>>538244191>he didn't playedHi ESL.
>>538244239>no arguments I accept your concession
LMAO he really shut up after this post >>538244357
>he answers his own postsCringe...
>>538246141Yes you are
>no u That fatherless is so cringe...
>>538193871Looks that way. If only the one guy who's obsessed with me were here, then you would have gotten at least 5 "different" people replying to you (but still not answering the question)>>538243397Rebirth definitely made a profit. Think about how much work had been done already before they even started, thanks to Remake. I would imagine Rebirth cost a lot less to make than other AAA games on the same scale that would have to begin from scratch. Having the battle system down alone would be a huge saving.
>>538248983>Rebirth definitely made a profitWrong>Think about how much work had been done already before they even started, thanks to RemakeSo none?> I would imagine Rebirth cost a lot less to make than other AAA games on the same scale that would have to begin from scratchRetard >Having the battle system down alone would be a huge saving.Incorrect
>>538251073Fascinating counterpoints. I concede, you win. Great talk.
>>538248983>Rebirth definitely made a profitIndeed.>Think about how much work had been done already before they even started, thanks to RemakeMany work indeed, asset flip alone saves a lot of money.> I would imagine Rebirth cost a lot less to make than other AAA games on the same scale that would have to begin from scratchIrrefutable.>Having the battle system down alone would be a huge saving.Correct. There is no need to invent a system from scratch, which means spending time and money on pre-production and testing and shit.
>>538251437Based and correctpilled.
>>538251251>>538251842Hey kid try to be less obvious next time
>>538251979huh?
>>538251979I'll give you a million dollars right now if you explain what you mean by this in a way that makes any sense at all.You won't, because you're just a schizo.
See?
>>538254183Your father figure? I'm afraid I haven't seen him in years
>>538254740KEK
>>538254740wait why would it matter if you didn't see him, the guy ain't your father.you're slipping, try again.
>>538254740You struck a nerve.
>>538124206Once again this appears to be the case
>>538254183I can't, actually. Sorry.
>>538201317ff16 is the lowest selling mainline FF even ff2 sold more>>538207028even ffxv has pause attacks
>>538260126Are you high?
>>538207554you cant be serious
>>538260240300grand is the equivalent to 2b dollars that XVI lost for the yoshicult.
>>538208473you tried to cite the massive tanking in OI to lumiproyou got btfo then backpedaled after it was proven to be caused by ff16
>>538209405xvi caused the lossnot lumipro
>>538211379xvi made 0 profit it still hasn't broke even
>>538225449not HIS game
>>538226880SE said 16 underperformed and didn't profit
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-xvi-interview-creating-rpg>Yoshida-san: I have such respect for the development team for seeing it through to the end and completing development of the game and respect for Square Enix for approving this budget (laughs).If the budget was a low as $57 million dollars, the comment about SE approving the games budget wouldn't even make sense. Of course they'd approve of a low budget mainline entry that would guaranteed sell millions regardless of quality (see XIII and XV).
I see Yoshida's success causes quite a lot of friends to get upset.
Yoshida's plan to kill FF was a success!
>>538264216why are they so big?
>>538229013it was $300m because SE stated it didn't profit
>>538229715factsxvi-kun btfo
>>538232910yoshitpiss already said ff16 cost over $100m so noit cost $300m because it didn't profit and tanked SEs OI when making at maximum it couldve only made $147m in revenue at launch from the 3m sales, meaning it was not enough to recoup its entire costs which is why the fucking OI tanked and why SEs stock tanked when they told investors it underperformed
>>538238551I said SE said they tend to but in some cases do it in a single quarter like they did with ff16
xvi underperformed why is the xvipajeet pretending otherwise?
>>538260160ff16 is the lowest selling mainline ffff1-3 have all sold over 3mff4-6 have all sold over 5m1-6 pixel remaster sold 5m so it pushed ff2 over 3m finally, the others were already above 3mff7 sold 15mff8 sold 9.6mff9 sold 8.9mff10 sold 14mff10-2 sold 6.5mff12 sold 7mff13 sold 7.7mff13-2 sold 3.5m ff15 sold 10m+ff7r sold 7mff7 crisis core sold 4mff tactics sold over 3mff type0 sold over 3mff16 sold only 3mliterally in the kiddie pool with spinoffs like dirge of cerberus and lightning returns, which in japan both sold on par with ff16 tooalso ff15 does have pause attacks while ff16 doesn't
>>538248031Vanille here is like a shining moon whose light is visible even in the darkest, cloudiest, twilight skies of unending shitposting.
>>538254740LMAOOOOO
We hate Final Fantasy here
bump ;)
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>>538240231no i blame FF16
>>538265934I notice you're not answering the question...
>>538112543>>538113648Meltdown>>538112514>>538112372>>538112531Based
>>538113836>nooo don't bring up things relevant to the topic I was shitposting about!>>538114003>>538114117>>538114778>>538114945Yet the game glorifies it in remake, especially with Andreas whole thing.
>>538114785Based V Scholar.
>>538260126>ff16 is the lowest selling mainline FFbut it sold more bigly than DMC3, and we all know that sales = game more good
>>538260758>A non-game company approaches Tabata to collaborate and make a game>Tabata and his game company makes the game>but it's not Tabata's gameThen I guess Project Jewel was never Tabata's game either.All those years gassing up Tabata's next AAA game, and not only has development halted, but it was never Tabata's to begin with...Well, I suppose we just have to look forward to Ryugukoku, which as far as I can tell is purely Tabata's idea.
>>538275020The size of the gaming community, doing the establishing for the franchise after 2, physical sales given it's pre digital, competition on the ps2, etc.
>>538279559Sorry we can't use the size of the gaming community as a valid metric.Last time I pointed out that FFXV selling 10 million in the PS4 era wasn't all that impressive considering how FF managed similar numbers for the PS1 generation games, and how other franchises have doubled or tripled their sales since that generation, I got an angry response saying it didn't matter.
