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WHAT NEEDS GRAPPLING

>Queue for the hard weekly
>There's a Fist and/or descendant
>They ruin everything and wipe us
Every single time.

Any codes?

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>even reddit knows the heroic weapons are bad
They’re 100% getting buffed

Anyone wanna clear the hard weekly?

>>538203569
But it is terrible. Anyone who plays the game knows that. (the devs don't)

>>538203640
Post codes

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>>538203569
When even reddit is criticizing you instead of just sucking you off, you know you fucked up

>>538203065
MAGAZINE OUT
MAGAZINE IN

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>>538203065
Decimus is my favorite unhinged maniac.

>>538203569
>Balanced
>Fast weapon
>1 speed
>only +1 damage

>>538204142
The draw is supposed to be the punch-shoulder bash combo it can do, which might actually be good if it was block, but it’s balanced lmao

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What's the least cringe chapter where marines tend to use axes?

>>538204901
No idea, retard. How the fuck would we know what you find cringe? Or do you think we are hivemind?

>>538204901
Black Templars because Deus Vult... oh wait you said less cringe. Sadly none exist

>>538205078
>Black Templars
>THE designated sword autists
>Axes because "Deus Vult"

You are just a prime dickhead, aren't ya?

So, to summarize

>Pyreblaster/Pyrecannon
So monumentally overpowered in comparison to the rest of the weapon roster that they're 100% getting nerfed. Very slim chance it opens Saber's eyes up to how shit most other guns feel.

>Power Axe
Absolutely garbage, another melee weapon that hits like a styrofoam tube, complete with a terrible hitbox on its heavy attacks meant for clearing Minoris. However, it has niche utility on Vanguard because the back step attack always gives him enough range to immediately grapnel finisher.

>Chaos Spawn
Unfitting Elden Ring boss style movesets intended for 1v1s in a game where you fight five of them at once. Unbelievably gay and retarded.

>Stratagems
75% of them are zero fun, restrictive artificial difficulty garbage.

>>538205315
>Elden Ring style boss movesets
This is just a claim by one (1) guy who keeps whining that delayed attacks are bad but never actually backs up his argument with any sort of logic when pressed, don’t listen to him

>>538205315
Don't forget all the bugs they have introduced over the patches and not fixed.

>>538202684
is this ai slop? looks kino

>>538205791
Do you have eyes? Some of the delayed attacks are comical

>Crab Spawn swings back
>Holds
>Locks claw
>Holds
>Locks claw again
>It's been like 3-4 seconds now
>And finally swings

>>538206085
To be fair they actually fixed a lot this patch, like the block and fencing bugs that have been around for months, or the Carnifex rapid-fire bug

>>538206338
And this is bad why?

>>538206541
Because this isn't Elden Ring where enemies where this kind of moveset is restricted to 1v1s, and to be honest, was spitefully included because From hated people just on-reacting to their enemies. You won't find these sorts of moves on enemies you're expected to fight in the dozens even in those games.

So, in a game where you screen is filled with shit, and a blue marker appears off the corner of your screen, you have less than a second to see if it's an on-react, where you may have already missed the window on Balanced, or if it's a fucking pantomime that arrives in three business days.

>>538206996
Feh, half deleted the first sentence but missed a bit.

>>538205315
We'll most likely get a nerf in patch 11 in a few months for flamer and another "bolters can't buffed :sadface:" comment in the patch notes.
About the chaos spawn, while the blue circles are definitely so mistimed that I agree they might as well be removed (the suggestion to delete blue circles from everything except minoris jumps genuinely sounds like an interesting idea for higher difficulties), the little potatoes are fun to fight. I personally like the barrage of attacks they can put out, so with a bit of learning and giving the mouth spawn a damage downtune they should basically fix chaos. It's already so much better.

Also, don't forget the rest of the update
>Heroic Weapons
Garbage balancing leaving only the best as interesting but mediocre sidegrades while the rest are absolutely shit to use

>triangles
Not enough rewarded for dailies

>New Map
Overall fun but boss needs to open up and let someone get close to it so melee classes can play (honestly this is true for every boss, going up to them when they're not focusing you is too dangerous because you'll get hit by no warning area attacks and if you're the target you'll have few opportunities to fight back, but this one is extra bad with the disco mode)

8/10 update, dragged down to a 5/10 by numerous poor design choices for no good reason.

>>538206996
This isn’t an issue once you learn the animation. In fact it’s actually a good thing if you know about the token system, because that means that one enemy is using up the token system to do an attack that won’t land for 9 business days, which means you have 8 business days to respond to the other enemies before having to dodge/parry it. Now if your argument that this is unfair to new players who don’t know the animation, sure, but there’s been plenty of stuff like that in since the start of the game. The Ravener, Hive Tyrant, Helbrute, and Trygon all have some delayed ass attacks that you won’t know when to parry until you’ve seen it a couple times. This is nothing new.

the tact flamer with -75% charge perk is pretty kino

>>538204901
Blood Angels and Space Sharks

>>538207370
The animation is irrelevant when the deciding factor is exclusively the circle in a lot of instances. Again, if the enemy is just offscreen, or you're hyper-focused on 2-3 enemies already, your attention is stretched to the absolute limit because you can only bounce between so many directions visually. The blue circle was intended to help you mentally filter through the chaff and respond. By disjointing the blue circle from an on-react to a delayed warning more and more with every new enemy, it muddies how players are meant to react to it to the point it's bordering on deceitful. You see a blue circle on the edge of your vision, you parry, it's a Tzaangor so you instantly kill it. You see another blue circle on the edge of your screen, you parry, it was a Chaos Marine going in for the melee, you successfully respond because it's an on-react. You see another blue circle, you parry, oh sorry lol it's a Chaos Spawn, now you're standing there like a lemon.

>>538203770
They're right. Xenoblade is the only good one of the bunch so far and it's only barely viable compared to relic options. Bolt Pistol is still a bolt pistol and does dick for damage while chewing through your ammo and not having a lot of ammo to boot. Knife is balanced and has a completely worthless ability. Combi melta is ok but again, you're trading half your ammo reserve to get some ok horde clear in melee range (also it doesn't get ammo back from the tac perk lol). Chainsword is again balanced and the perk locks you into animations.

Heavy plasma is the only one I haven't heard much about. But considering it trades deleting hordes and majoris with charged shots in exchange for light spam I'm not holding my breath.

The chaos spawn are fine, I like having more melee stuff on chaos, the delayed attacks fit the creature and I bet in 2 weeks when people figure out their timing we'll all farm them on sight

Change the color of circles on delayed attacks, simple. Make them green or orange or something.

>>538208036
>the indicator is blue
>it's bordering on deceitful
So this is Tzeentch's doing...

>>538208036
I’ll be real, this sounds like a you issue, because whenever I’m fighting multiple Majoris I make sure my camera is turned so I can see all of them. If it can’t, then I back up or position so that I can see all of them. And again, this “you saw blue and parried, now you’re standing there like an idiot” has always been a thing with Raveners, Hive Tyrant, Helbrute, etc. It’s nothing new. I personally like that not every blue attack has the same parry timing and that I actually have to learn the animation, if every single blue attack had the same parry timing that would rob the game of what little depth it has and the game would be a lot more boring.

>>538205315
Chaos spawn is a great addition to chaos. They'll probably need to tone down the tentacle guy since his combos easily overlapse with other dudes but learning to fight them has been so much fun.

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>"Bro just learn the attacks"
>Meanwhile new players will simply get frustrated that nothing works consistently and stop playing

>>538208698
Don't bother with this guy. He is just salty as fuck because he got skill issued. He can't even bring up which spawn and which attack he has problems with. And I'll tell you which spawn he's referring to - it's the crab claw guy, who has literally 4 attacks and 2 of which are variation of each other. He's talking about the blue charge attack which takes AGES to come out and has a HUGE Telegraph because he has to charge towards you before leaping into the air to do a double pound. It is such a slow and telegraphed attack that there is no excuse to get hit by it, even in a mixed hoard.

>>538208698
I can't speak for the difficulty you're on, but at this point on Absolute I avoid the hell out of anything that I can be staggered against. Being knocked into a wall is an absolute death sentence, because the stagger animation borders on 2-3 seconds, and you can be chain attacked by stuff that normally you'd be able to avoid. A big one for example is the Carnifex's leap attack, the followup where he rips his claws out of the ground is guaranteed to hit you if you collide with a wall beforehand. If you have no armor, it's a 100-0. Zoanthrope double beams can also do it if the first beam knocks you into a wall.

I've had far too many bad experiences trying to hold a cramped chome to ever justify doing it again.

>>538209046
How about actually engaging with what's being said instead of making up some imaginary version of me inside your head. You've already claimed I was parroting some other dude who also made the some connection to Elden Ring with the comically delayed attacks.

>>538209332
*choke

>>538209046
youre talking about these enemies like they exist in a vacuum. delayed attacks are a serious problem when youre also dealing with 30+ enemies, not least of which includes a helbrute and some terminators

>>538209672
If you think you’re ever actually dealing with 30+ enemies, you either don’t know the token system exists or don’t understand how it works

>faggots itt defending rollslop
thats a yikes from me, game is going to shit and the new update made me play for exactly 2 more hours before dropping the game again

>>538210151
the token system simply puts a cap on how many enemies can attack you at once, and that cap from memory is 5 or 6, but when you kill an enemy, they're immediately replaced and there's no cap speed on the aggression of the new enemy. they often jump you the moment they enter the queue.

>>538209440
Whats there to engage with you? You're too stubborn to admit that it's a skill fucking issue. And you're being disingenuous too since you never even explain which attack from which spawn that you have problems with - which I did. I've been training myself against the spawns, and the only one that has a delayed blue attack is one with the simplest movesets.

>>538210468
how old are you? Im starting to near that age where I consider 30 year old men talking about muh heckin skillerino just git gut etc when it comes to video games absolutely fucking pathetic

>>538210408
Each attack has its amount of token. For example if a tentacle spawn is doing his aoe attack literally none of the other will try to initiate an attack. Also, no more than 2 will attack you simultaneously, outside of maybe the rare case where one is doing a long combo. You will never have 6 enemies doing melee against you. And I'm sure only 3 rubrics can shoot at you at once but they don't stop shooting between bursts so it doesn't really help.

>>538210675
I accept your concession

>>538210894
Im not even that guy lmao, theres 2 anons laughing at you kek faggot

>>538210742
im gonna disagree with that purely with what ive definitely witnessed. its either saber jank or something else, because ive defo had 3+ chaos spawn all jumping me at once, one will start up a very delayed leap attack, another did the aoe smog, and the other did the whiplash attack.

>>538210468
What's with the autistic need to have me explicitly say which attacks are giving me issues? I don't care that you're in the hyperbolic chamber analysing frame data, or that it's just one enemy, it doesn't exist by itself in a horde. The same way a Helbrute is a pushover until you throw three of them in the mix and then suddenly it's the hardest content in the game.

>>538211003
It's simple. Spawn 3 spawns and test it out. It's what I did.

>>538211517
So do you or do you not know which attack for which spawn? It's a simple ass question.

>>538211760
incel.

>>538211760
Yeah, considering I've already gave you an explicit example way earlier in the thread. The Crab Spawn. Both its double clack delayed attack and the leap. Again, not an issue when its by itself. When I'm dealing with Terminator missile spam, different issue entirely.

Hey pvpfags, how does the new mode work, also did they nerf the flashbangs?

>people trying to do the hard weekly not having any perks letalone a team perk
you are a fucking nigger

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Is Astartes Overhaul worth it or is the vanilla experience superior?

https://youtu.be/4dHPpO5R224?feature=shared

Shield rush has to be the best addition made to the bulwark. They definitely have to rein in the stun since you can shield cancel the slow recovery, but what a great mechanic. Sometimes saber just hits us with cool shit.

even with the new majoris, chaos isnt fun

>>538215063
>tranny zamby

>>538215208
In fact, it's even less fun than before.

538215425
It’s insane to see a take as contrarian as this lmao
Don’t reply to me

>>538203770
>GOTTA MAKE THE GAME HARD
>Instead just makes it boring and bad

>>538204901
Blood Angels and Space Yiffs are the only chapters I know of that use them regularly. Technically Bloody Magpies too, common in the campaigns.

>>538205315
You forgot the pointless addition of ANOTHER mode and ANOTHER currency no one asked for and which never needed to exist.

Dudes will literally pretend that an enemy that shoots at you from 20 feet away, spams unblockables, and then teleports away when you get close are more fun than a melee-only enemy because it has 2 delayed attacks

>>538215910
they all burn the same to me

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>>538215063

>>538215208
The problem I have with Chaos, and its present with Nids but less noticeable because there are less of them, is that ranged units will shoot rather than stab when you're near them.

It not not fucking fun to run up to a chaos marine and go to attack, only for them to unload a mag in your face which unlike our bolters actually does a fuckton of damage. The 'counter' to this is a roll, which puts distance and likely leads to them firing more fucking rounds at you which you can't parry or engage with. The only thing thats viable against Chaos then is making sure you stagger lock them one way or another.

SM1 didn't have this problem, because all ranged enemies died in a hit or two, which was 1. more satisfying and 2. how a fucking bolter SHOULD work.

>>538210232
Im playing HD2 for a few more weeks until the plebs stop playing, and then I can get carried by the rusted on losers who play this all day.

>>538216158
>SM1 didn't have this problem, because all ranged enemies died in a hit or two, which was 1. more satisfying and 2. how a fucking bolter SHOULD work.
The issue with that is that warriors and rubrics should be tougher than various unarmored boys (though nowhere near as tanky as they are now). It should be balanced by having more termagaunts and shit like them but making them not take eight fucking rounds to the body to kill

>>538216372
>It should be balanced by having more termagaunts and shit like them but making them not take eight fucking rounds to the body to kill
Agreed, but Saber fucked themselves by designing around having the same number of enemies always spaced the same and engaged at the same amount of time. Instead of playing with types/quantities/frequency.

Nids could for example if having more is not possible, come more often. While chaos could come less often. Waves could last a lot longer to fit the horde theme that Nids are.

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>>538204901
Executioners. It's their goddamn chapter badge.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Executioners

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>>538210742
>Also, no more than 2 will attack you simultaneously

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>>538216579
They kinda did it...

>assault joins weekly hard mode
>he always goes down first, hogging all resources
>lose

>>538217128
Such a clusterfuck of concepts what are they thinking

>>538217072
This video only showcases 3 enemies attacking simultaneously, and 1 of them was doing a long combo
Not sure if this is the epic own you thought it was

>>538217419
The most useless, worthless class in coop gaming.

>>538217072
Youve been posting this for ages. What part of that being a counter attack do you not understand?

>>538217072
>>538210742
Dont forget you can avoid ranged damage by looking at the floor. Enemies don't target you and deal less damage if they're not on screen, keeping your camera pointed right down in the most ugly view possible makes you far more survivable.

Its so funny when both other team mates die and then go "Holy fuck what a save!" when I stay alive infinitely, and all im doing is keep everything off my screen but the 1 enemy im targeting. Moronic game design, its not my fault they designed it like this but ill abuse it.

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>>538217128
i can't fucking do it man, i have no idea how people finish vox anymore
there's too many retards that sit in the middle and die fighting instead of rushing to the motherfucking elevator, and i ALMOST made it and then our retard fucking bulwark runs off while i'm down and the other teammate is respawning and fucks the end for everyone

>>538216158
>SM1 didn't have this problem, because all ranged enemies died in a hit or two
This isn't an entirely accurate statement.
Shoota boyz and tank bustaz(a bit more durable) were understandably fragile and did indeed die very quickly to a burst of bolter fire, shoota nobz were more tanky and required some focus from a single player but still died to a reasonable amount of fire(like a single mag to the body), and unlike warriors in SM2 you basically never saw them in such numbers that 8 of them were bombarding you at the same time.
Chaos space marines were the tankiest sponges I've ever encountered in a video game, to a ridiculously unfun degree, and that's what made chaos in the first game also such an utterly unenjoyable slog.

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>>538217776
Four enemies majoris were in an attack animation targeting me simultaneously. There is not a blanket cap of two attacks at a time.

>>538218151
It's a counter attack, because you staggered them. This only happened because you have 5 of them standing together and you managed to hit all of them, so they all went into their counter attack. You're using an exception, an extremely rare one at that, when there are countless evidence of clear display of a token system at play.

>>538218151
Nope, only 3, and 1 was using a long combo, which the post you’re referring to said was a possibility. The frame that you parry an enemy the token system considers that enemy’s attack over and the token is freed up for a new enemy to use. Just because an enemy is reeling from being parried doesn’t mean that he’s still using his token anymore.

Honestly just give assault a primary weapon at this point. He would still be mid but a little less so

>Heavy, who was already tanky as fuck, gets even tankier with Pyrecannon which gives him another easy as shit way to proc armor regen
lmao

>>538218151
It's not a blanket yes because different attacks have different token values, so do different enemies. Melee tend to have higher token than ranged attacks.
https://youtu.be/PkKkOth7IZ0?feature=shared

Terminus enemies do not obey the rule of token system, which is why when there are multiple of them the game becomes a stun lock fest.

>>538218834
>It's a counter attack
>It's an attack
Yes.
>>538218880
>only 3
>and 1 was using a long combo
>3 were attacking and one was also attacking
Yes.
Four majoris attacking one player simultaneously.

>>538209010
Filtered

>>538219098
I don’t mean 3 were attacking and 1 was using a long combo for four attacks total, I said that of the 3 attacking, one was using a long combo for a total of 3 attacks, which is something the original post you’re referring to said was possible.

>>538210468
how autistic are you to not understand that not everyone is you who enjoy cbt. games shouldnt be griefing the player to get them the stop playing the game, where only the chosen ones have the honor of beating an action game, people dont play games as a test of honor

>chaos is disproportionately difficult for all the wrong reasons and unfun to fight
>saber makes them even worse
I wish I knew if it was intentional at least, I cannot fathom their thought process regarding 99% of their design decisions.

>>538215063
>best class in the game gets brand new toy that makes them ever bester

Why is there are two melee classes and one is undoubtedly the teacher's pet while the other one is the worst class in the game?

>>538220464
A combo is an attack.

>>538205791
>everyone who doesnt agree with me is one guy
okay, schizo

>>538220549
Saber doesn't play the game, they literally just balance off of pick rates and wins/losses.
It's like those retards at gaijin that handle war thunder. One plane is used by multiple national trees, this means they're both used by different groups of players(one is a lot worse than the other), so they perform differently in the statistics gaijin uses to balance, then they just straight up put one at a different battle rating despite both being literally exactly the same plane.

>>538221032
Russians and not playing their own games goes hand in hand. Sputniks are the epitome of the theory crafter. Dota2fags from that nation are renowned for having like 100 hours played and then 1000+ hours analyzing spreadsheets and basing opinions on what they're reading instead of how the game actually fucking works when players are involved.

assault players need to stop griefing in this week's hard strategem

>>538220670
It is. So of four Majoris, the most we ever see in an active attack animation in that clip is 3, which the original post said was a possibility, while the 4th is reeling from being parried.

After hearing about the weekly stratagem on hard I didn’t fancy my chances since my friends sent great, but I first tried it with two of them and second tried it with one of them and a random. Full tank block power sword bulwark, the new charged bash is incredibly strong and the last man standing buff plus two block charges let’s you mow bosses down so fast. Hate the darkness effect thing though, reminds me of the dog shit one from vermintide 2, but the lictor thing is neat it just has too much HP. Don’t sleep on the last man standing buff anons and go full tank on bulwark, the aoe damage on parry sounds good but when things do that much damage the extra 25% dr makes a massive difference, especially since the buffed team perk gives you armour for free every 30 seconds. Fist is probably easier but I just can’t deal with lictors on block fist

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>>538219097
>thumbnail
Not clicking on that gay shit.

>>538222209
No, four were in an attack animation simultaneously.

>>538221440
Sounds like most Russian stuff, people argue that the T-34 was the best WW2 tank on paper but when in reality it was a shitshow made piecemeal in shitty factories and never had the real specifications it was supposed to have.

Spawn feel fine to me, only attack I don’t get is the cloud of shit. I just dodge away because it looks bad so no idea if you can grab a block charge from it or not. The huge delay on the indicator on that charge is odd and they should probably change it but it’s pretty much same as the ravanors one attack, once you get used to it you know what to do. I just wish killing spawn would make zangores panic or something so chaos were fully in line with nids.

>>538223023
Yeah I have no idea how to read that. It seems to lead into them either leaping away in retreat or jumping you, but what's the tell?

>>538222283
Well Russia and tanks has always been a case of on paper hard numbers vs the soft numbers that actually make the machine good in combat like how well the crew can actually work the fucking thing.
>wow it’s so small and look at that slope
>the crew are dying of heat stroke and can no longer feel their limbs
Plus lying, always the fucking lying

>>538222704
i cant remember which russian tank it was, but there was supposedly a really shitty one that used a shitty flammable lubricant and because the turret was also shittidly made, it caused a lot of sparks when you tried to turn it, which cause the tank to burst into flames if they tried, also the armor was paper too when they did get shot there was a chance they burst into flames also
>>538223023
because the smokescreen has three different follow up attacks, one of them is unblockable

>>538222704
>>538223250
Retard moment
>>538223202
I’ve tried keeping an eye out but they just seem to shoot the gas out when they feel like it and once they do I can’t actually see the spawn and in my mind big cloud of shit equals get the fuck away.

>>538223410
>Retard moment
Prove we're wrong.

>>538214818
>Vanguard join the team
>Not using the health recovery team perk
Deserve a kick in stratagem hard bth

>>538223202
>>538223023
Red warning = jump attack. No red is either a long ranged swipe or it jumps backward.

Remove Inner Fire from Vanguard and give it to Assault.

>>538223761
Yeah, but how are you supposed to read the latter?

What's the best team perk for the bulwark? I have the armor regen one. Is it contested health?

>>538223762
Make squad cohesion refund skills on dodge instead. Instant pick

>>538223823
Not sure yet, but I always assume it's the whip. The evasion doesn't really do much on its own. Another tricky one is the clawed one with its flurry. That one needs to have a different sound effect or blue marker because it's very difficult to differentiate from the regular leap into double slash. You can only tell because it doesn't knock you back further if you're deflecting it, and the follow up from the leap is ever so slightly different

>>538223589
No I mean I replied to the wrong post like a retard kek

>>538223896
either of those two depending on what you feel like
the extra armor helps prevent as much damage as the contested hp can help you recover

>>538224229
Oh my bad, sorry for being a dick.

>>538223762
I honestly think it should be base line for everyone, in darktide a meeting pack goes a long way and you have healing stations as you go on top of a linear health bar. Here you first 70% of HP is really not much and heals are pretty rare so if you fumble early you’re limping along on nothing for most of the map UNLESS you have a vanguard or a bulwark that can run two brain cells together (not many of them out there). Feels all over the place, depending on team comp you can have way too much healing or next to nothing.

>>538223896
Both are good, but i’m leaning toward armour gen because on absolute the biggest road block are bosses. One sliver of armour can eat an entire melee attack from a boss, on top of working in random with your final perk that gives you uninterrupted attacks if you have armour. Armour regen is strong and there aren’t many sources of it in the game, it looks less sexy on paper but when the chips are down it can really save your ass.

Making the power axe the gunstrike melee weapon was a weird move.

>>538224472
It’s cool brother I didn’t word it well, luv me tanks and mechs simple as.

how are you suppose to build power axe, the end the points are weird

>>538224823
Yeah i’m not feeling it, but if you like fencing it’s probably best in slot for vanguard since the parry heavy puts you far enough back to get a grapple execution. Guess that’s neat

>>538224954
Just have fun with it. It's dogshit right now.

>>538224954
I think it’s not laid out as intended, bottom tree gives you a second heavy attack after the party attack but too tree buffs that move? It makes no sense to me and I hate that it’s so linear

>>538225106
i am but i questioning the thought process your suppose to have
>>538225198
i dont think that perk works, i think you can pull that off without that perk and you dont gain enough distance for that perk to hit the target you parried+backstepped

>>538225373
Really? I’ll need to give it another try, haven’t used it much since i’ve been enjoying the new black templars fashion with the dark angels helm and a power sword. Muh lore I know, but it looks so cool.

Given the way the flamer is a perfect melee compliment it’s a damn shame vanguard can’t use it.

>>538225665
its the dodge attack, but i dont know if its just bugged, but latter doesnt really make the case of it being worth picking regardless, the fact you dont get enough distance to follow is weird

>>538224954
do not get the infinite whirls point, waste of a point when you can just chain heavy-light forever anyways and its better

>>538225838
Agreed, but I'm starting to wonder if the hard lock to two possible flame weapons is because the game would shit itself otherwise. My fans fucking spike whenever I'm using a Pyre weapon and then dip the moment I stop.

>>538225838
>no assault flamer kino
AGHHHH IVAN STOP BEING PUSSIESSS
>>538225373
It's a parry stick. Also the gunstrike perk is kind of a scam because if you gunstrike too early your use it too late after a gunstrike you don't get the bonus.

>>538225925
Turn off ray tracing.

>>538226037
It is off.

>>538223023
I get tripped up by spawn because of their stupid raised arm so im thinking theyre getting ready to attack all the time.

>>538225925
Doubt it, seems to be a 2d effect with a lot of baked in bloom. Fuck do they need to lower the opacity for other player though I can’t see a fucking thing when the flamers start going off

>>538226164
Yeah they can be tricky, I think using a block weapon helps leaning their moves a lot since you need to be more accurate with your timing. When i’m on fencing I’m a lot more spam parry happy, but on block I find myself looking at the animations much closer since I know I can’t get away with just throwing it out. Block weapons also seem to on combo them super easy with two charges, feels like they have less HP than a melee nid.

Has anyone here beaten the hard strategem here? What is the fucking trick? I'm trying to play with randos and everything keeps going wrong.

>>538226546
Yes
I only beat it through sheer luck of not getting incredibly unlucky extremis spawns during terminus spawns. Getting Biovores is the absolute worst when visibility is completely done.
I managed to clear it but it was by a hair's breath. The last guy alive extracted while me and the other guy were dead and a carnifex was hounding us most of the final section.
Get a Heavy with a Plasma Cannon, a Vanguard/Bulwark who isn't completely retarded, and a Tactical/Sniper who knows how to prioritize targets and pray to god you don't get bad spawns.

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This is what i use for it right now, the issue seems to be the same as the thunder hammer where its animations are too slow/janky for how little damage it deals, its basically a worse version of the knife right now because you can barely sneak hits in against the mob and then parry in time

>>538226546
fire
blindness is the biggest problem because bad neuro or zoanthrope spawns will kill you because you cant find and shoot them well enough
lictor is manageable if people know how to fight a lictor

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>join into hard strategem mission
>one player is assault
>already dead on a timer
>bulwark is frantically running away during a wave
>I spawn behind on top of the assault's corpse
>get swamped by three lictors and a neurothrope
>mfw

>>538226546
The trick is you need to get lucky.

They really should have a proper fucking INDICATOR or notification that the immortal lictor has retreated because it's so fucking anxiety inducing thinking if this thing actually despawned or turned invisible to strike back 3 seconds later when your guard is down.

>>538226546
I ran block power sword bulwark with DR on armour break, ranged DR while surrounded, DR on low HP, aoe damage healing banner, shield bash damage boost (charged bash is really fun) and armour gives knock back resist. Buddies ran tac and vanguard but they really aren’t the best players. The biggest thing going for you on it is the last man standing buff, if you’re on vanguard with the build you are tanky as fuck and shit out damage. If you like fist no doubt it’s stronger than power sword, on a different run I fucking four shot a boss with the block fist as last man standing. I think bulwark is the absolute strongest class you can play for this one, be selfish and take the relics and heals, if you have a relic and a heal when the team dies you’re killing the boss and majoris wave 100%, which brings the team back.

>>538226814
I've been trying the flamer as the tactical and it seems to do enough damage to the lictor to scare it off but it just comes right the fuck back. Like, in between my fucking auspex charges. Why is it coming back that fucking fast?

>>538226864
>it's so fucking anxiety inducing thinking if this thing actually despawned or turned invisible to strike back 3 seconds later when your guard is down
that might be the point

>>538226927
because it is "dead", the reason you take fire is because of the warriors, you really dont want to be dealing with them for long

I think this update dragged in people who dropped this game are month after release because some of the players I've seen in Strats are absolute dogshit. Like I'm not expert, but if my team had died 5+ times collectively before I go down, there's a problem.

>>538226794
I’d say it’s on par with knife, but knife has a good block version which lets it actually do something. Why block can’t use the unique feature of axe is fucking insane to me

So hard mode is absolute spawns but with siege level 20+ enemies right? Because they’re hitting very hard

Why are there single level players trying hard mode? This is insane.

>>538227239
its absolute difficultly, like hard siege

>>538227553
Enemies are hitting harder than in absolute I feel

>>538226794
I believe they were fine with it doing so little damage. 20 per light AND HEAVY ATTACK was ok. Assuming both parts of the heavy hit (they won't). If they just wanted a weapon to buff gun strikes in exchange for dogshit melee ability why did 2 out of 3 classes who got it revolve their entire playstyles around melee?

Heroic heavy plasma seems good if you like the light shot spam playstyle, massive dps. The others all seem pretty sub par to bad, with the knife being truly terrible. Disappointing overall, hopefully they do more with this foundation going forward. Nice update overall to kick year two off with, just sad there’s no mention of new weapons for original classes coming

>>538228027
The Combi-Melta is the only real standout weapon because it's straight up just a Melta with a 12(?) round mag that also has an Auto Bolt Rifle strapped on it for dealing with shit too far away from the Melta.

>>538228129
I heard it doesn’t get melta ammo back from emps executioner is that true?

>>538227650
They also take less damage. - 15% I think. Lots of breakpoints are fucked because of that.

>>538228129
It’s a Bolt Rifle, not an Auto Bolt Rifle, despite having the Auto Bolt Rifle model

THAT FUCKING LICTOR DOESN'T GET STUNNED BY GUNSTRIKES AND THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT. YOU SHOOT AT IT AND IT JUST CHARGES THROUGH THE GUN STRIKE AND KILLS YOU.

I’ll never complain about stun lock in this game ever again after trying helldivers, fucking rag doll sim if you don’t run away enough what the fuck. Managed a difficulty 9 mission solo and I think I don’t want to touch it ever again

>>538228893
>>538228129
Not replacing my x2 headshot multi accuracy Bolt Rifle, no sir. That thing is actually really underrated, it's like a Stalker where you don't have to mash the trigger. It so casually melts heads, it's pure sex.

>>538229536
But it does by bulwarks charged bash, bully that bitch anon. Shove it in the locker and laugh at it

>>538229694
based accuracy bolt rifle appreciator. one of my favorite weapons as well.

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New Armor stuff kicks ass

>>538230026
I hope we get the fancy beak soon as a community event or something, was really excited for it only to find it wasn’t in the new shop. Although I guess raven guard are getting the most love they’ve ever gotten this year, but still. Either way looking good heretic

>>538228650
Definitely something fucky. The usual one shot build with block power fist them assault with just over charge and no knowledge of the enemy will one shot on absolute but not the stratagems.

>>538229659
Everything about helldivers is like they designed to feel bad on purpose. I do not understand why people like the game. The shooting, driving, movement, and enemies all feel bad and clunky on purpose.

Where Phobos helmet?

>>538230328
Yeah just doesn’t feel good to play to me, I have moments of fun but then something while always pull me out of it. Shame, I liked the first one a lot back in the day.

>>538226546
Luck
You better pray you don't get fucked with terminus and extremis spawns because let me tell you that having to deal with a lictor, dual zoans and a fucking neurothrope at the same is genuine cancer

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Heroic power fist that is a bolter fist. While aiming your sidearm you can click the same button the combi melta and grenade launcher bolter use to fire it.

>>538231259
That’s not really luck at this point though, bosses will always spawn a majoris wave when they spawn and again at half HP. Dealing with that almost ensures you’ll be seeing the extremis spawn during it. Just stack DR because it stacks with the last brother standing buff, you can have over 90% DR on bulwark when the randoms die.

>>538231345
It could easily function as the single fist does now
>melee 1 and 3 are the right
>2 and 4 are the left
>pistol is underslung on the left fist and works exactly the same as aiming and shooting does now
Functionally the same but way cooler

>>538231345
Its called a boltstorm gauntlet anon and I sure as shit hope we get it some day

>>538231426
It is absolutely luck because some extremis are less annoying than others. I'd rather deal with two raveners than a fucking biovore or dual zoans.

WHERE IS MY AUTOCANNON YOU DOUBLE HERETIC TRIPLE NIDDERS

>just tried the hard weekly stratagem
There is absolutely zero way anyone playtested this.

>>538231570
It’s all contextual, if i’ve got a melta i’ll take biovore over anything, if there’s a sniper then the floating headshot kills are welcome. I’ll give it to you that triple lictor plus the unkillable one on you is full blown aids and pretty much a wipe situation though, had that once with randoms and the sound of the pounce attack just stopped working. Horrible

>>538231345
some Bayonetta shit

>>538231775
Most of the hard dailies have been worse so far.
There's going to be so much backlash if a weekly strategem shows up with the great responsibility modifier.

>turn crossplay off
>get no games
>turn crossplay one
>have to play with console niggers
What is the right answer

>>538231547
I thought my idea was more realistic for saber to do. Two fists would mean making a bunch of new models and animations for each sidearm you could pick. Although I like the idea of having two fists more, what would the heroic perk be then?

>>538231570
I thought a boltstorm gauntlet was when a storm bolter was built inside of the fist and had double barrels. Instead of just being mounted on the side.

>>538231775
I’m not taking the piss but it’s actually going to be one of the easier ones going by some of the other shit, this is pretty much just limited visuals and a non stop lictor fight. There’s so much worse in store, they need to overhaul it yesterday

>>538232028
>>538231987
I got gibbed by double zoans and my allies died in the first wave
Couldn't do shit.

>>538232028
I don't see how anything could be worse than Zoanthropes and Biovores hiding in the darkness in another nation and you have to play Marco Polo with them.

>>538232014
The heroic could be after each charge attack you can tap light attack to do a buffed up light 4 (the cool uppercut spin) and if it kills something you get armour and it makes the next charge faster.
>charge up and blast them into execution range
>upper cut their head off and go right into a faster charging punch

>>538232147
Spam dodge and follow the trails, the fast charge plasma can down them pretty quick and you’ll get your ammo back for the most part on bulwark when you finish them
>>538232160
You can find the biovores by following the spore mine trail when you hear them shoot. Bulwark can also stagger lock them to death with charged shield bash once they un burrow

>>538231702
loyalists arent suppose to use autocannons

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>>538231848
It took me 3 tries to beat it with assault and the first two I got fucked with dual zoans and a neuro boss with a fucking biovore. Most miserable thing in the game along with three ranged scarab termies.

>>538232014
Nah boltstorm gauntlets dont have a built in weapon they're all mounted

>>538205231
Black Templars literally have more axes in their kits than space wolves do
black templars are the definitive no standard template chapter, they only weapon they use in abundance besides meltas and fire, is chainswords

>>538232552
Fair play for getting it done on assault but you must know you were opting for even harder mode? Assault needs to have the jump dash be base line dodge now that bulwark can shield bash around faster than sprinting on top of being an absolute tank with back pocket full heals

>>538232673
One of the axe skins is also perfect for them, the dark steel one with the hammer back end.

>>538232734
Yeah but that was only because I was prestiging my bulwark which im done with now so next time ill run him (depending on the modifiers) assault does need help but I think the mode is horribly unbalanced because what the fuck do you mean enemies take less damage.

>>538233113
It’s certainly not balanced, but if you roll in with a maxed out team running the best shit this one really doesn’t feel that bad. But next week could be near impossible with how much worse a lot of the debuffs area. This week the only bad one was fighting a tanky lictor. Next week we could have 75% less hp and dodging does 10% health damage to you. Shit needs changing, and enemies need to be in line with absolute not high siege, saw a sniper get near straight one shot by a nid sniper today which is fucked, they were at about 90% hp which is a perfectly normal amount to have because of how much chip the little shits are doing and the got clipped through the dark and just dropped.

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Devourer warriors are such horribly unfun enemies. They do so much to discourage closing in a game that's supposed to have you close and fight in melee.

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>>538233468
Just wait until they hit us with the broken bulwark modifier next week

>>538233481
Yet they gave arguably the best class an instant gap closer that stuns them long enough to get off a killing combo or close to, and if they dodge away you just bash dash after them and go again lmao. Bulwark is insane this patch, even more so than normal. You guys need to try this shit out, just hold forward after a bash to skip the end lag.

>>538233657
Double flamers melta zealot would probably be the play but you’d need to team shoot the shit out of zoans hard with your pistols.

>>538233735
I don't know what they were thinking with that bash. It does 186 damage on a full charge and I don't know how it interacts with the bash damage perk and all the other melee buffs bulwark gets. And it blocks while charging and you can block cancel the recovery.

Meanwhile assault still has to sacrifice their entire build just to use your jetpack dodge.

>>538234789
It’s really fun, shouldn’t stagger bosses but i’m all for other classes getting cool things like it that makes them more fun to play. Just odd to start with such a strong class. Assaults normal dodge should be the jump pack dodge, maybe even with wings of flame as the new passive so you have the super fun but niche dodge build simply built in as default.

Man the BT champion is so good but I really wish the sword was just a normal power sword with fancy shit.
I know they were going for an executioner's sword in style and those can look neat but I just don't like it.

>>538230316
It's already in the game and ready to go. They've just set it to hidden because they want to dripfeed it to you months later.

Gotta love games as a service :)

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I purchased the mittens first, in sacrifice of my own desire for the MK VII, so you may all judge how they look.

>Immortal Lictor comes out of the tunnel with the rest of the wave in the last part of Inferno
I dunno that seemed hilarious.

>>538237140
Ehh something just looks a bit off about them

>>538237140
There's two? Or is that the assault champ skin glove as well?

>>538235082
Don't get me wrong. It's super fun and I love it and finally got me to start bulwark but of all the classes that needed some love and new mechanics or rework it definitely wasn't bulwark. I hope they at least continue to give a new mechanic to each class over the next few patches.

>>538237569
Two gloves for either side, exclusively for Vanguard and Sniper only.

>>538237549
They're too round, they genuinely look like mittens. If they were more angular in the knuckles, they'd look a lot better.

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Guys I think I'm going to call it, I don't think I'm good enough to beat that hard stratagem. I'll try again tomorrow but I'm really starting to doubt myself. I've tried as a tactical, vanguard, and bulwark, and despite everything I do the game just conspires against my abilities. I've hit the wall.

>>538238139
Keep trying on bulwark if you know you’re going to take a lot of hits, or tac if you’re confident. As long as the random vanguard can stay alive and stagger shit with the melta they’re helping. I think bulwark, flamer tac, and vanguard are the best team for it. Flamer heavy is also great but tac helps melt bosses faster.

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United in our love for vomit green.

>>538237549
Maybe it's that they're absolutely gigantic gloves over the armored gloves you're already wearing.

>>538238139
Do you use block weapons? Hard in this mode seems to have enemies at siege level 20 or so difficulty meaning they have more health and damage, which means you need an extra gunstike on average to kill, but block only need to sneak a tiny bit more damage in, and you really need the burst to get the lictor to fuck off because that thing seems to have half the HP of a boss.
>>538238574
I can’t believe raptors are actually getting a cosmetic pack, truly is year of raven guard. Just wish sharks got theirs in q4 instead of raptors. Raven guard champ dropping with raptors cosmetics would have been amazing.

>>538238494
Dipshits keep picking assault or vanguard with the wrong goddamn team perk. I know I'm not perfect but goddamn the people I keep playing with should have some fucking clue.

>>538238836
>Do you use block weapons?
No, I actually enjoy game mechanics.

Brothers, I can't finish the Hard Strategem this week. It's just too hard.

>>538238848
Vanguard picking anything out the heal is insane, the cool down on execute can be good if you’re with a bulwark and tac that have their shot together but jumping into match making with it is just so fucking stupid.
>hey sniper and heavy here’s 15% back off of the ability you feather on and off
Wew lad

>>538238937
Well give it a try or continue to enjoy the mechanics of the fail screen, it’s the equivalent of high siege you need your A game.

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>>538237140
>>538237549
I think it kinda works here. The smoothness of the cloak helps not make the glove look so jarring.

Is Sniper with bolt carbine good in absolute/hard strategem?

I’m an xbone plep but i’ve helped some friends with the hard weekly, if i’m not too hung over tomorrow i’ll post some codes if you want but you’ll have to turn crossplay back on.
>>538239138
Yeah the colours works too. I wish we had a beakie with that visor bolt on and antenna, honestly the armour system would be so much better is it was like halo reach.

>>538239284
I always felt like the Bolt Carbine was taken on Sniper purely because it justified the melee build enough. In terms of raw "fuck everything put in front of you", the Stalker or Las and just dumping everything in headshot damage, ammo count/recovery, and cloak uptime means those two guns far outpace the Carbine even at face range. The Las has almost zero spread even when hipfired.

>>538239284
Struggles bursting down the lictor and boss damage isn’t amazing unless you use full charge cloaked shadow stab, but when you do that you’re in the danger zone until it’s recharged. Sniper can also be two shot very easily, you need the DR on armour break prestige perk and even then you get chunked. The enemy HP buff makes the carbine feel a bit shit, but if you find a melta early you can cheese the mission out with cloak cancel tech as long as you don’t mess it up, if you do dodge early and waste charge you’re in a lot of trouble. Basically if you main sniper yes, if you don’t I wouldn’t recommend it because it was tough.

>>538239612
>cloak cancel tech
how do i do this? is it a prestige perk?

>>538239525
You should pretty much always go melee build unless you’re all in on las, and even if you do use las it’s still a toss up as to which is better. Ammo is no longer an issue on sniper so just blasting out more shots takes down more enemies faster than cloak cancelling between every shot, it’s just not as safe. On stalker though you should absolutely be melee, the cloak damage buff isn’t hitting any break points unless you use the damage version.

>>538239763
you can turn it off manually

>>538239804
I genuinely don't know how people use Shadow Stab, I despise using the damn knife offensively.

>Cloak
>Lock-on
>Charge Shadow Stab
>Enemy fucks off chasing somebody else

>Cloak
>Lock-on
>Oops an enemy was executable over here, you just wasted your setup

>Cloak
>Don't lock-on
>Charge Shadow Stab
>Throw it out
>Doesn't seem to lunge as far when not locked on and whiffs

I've yet to reach the guard camp in the stratagem.
This shit's wild.
My current Linux related issues do not help as I have to quit to title after every failure since I can't sit in lobbies for some fucking reason.

>>538202684
OO for the O?

>>538239763
Nope, you cloak, and as you cloak hit melee to cancel the cloak animation. Do it right and the cloak will take next to nothing from you ult bar, take the free 2 seconds of invis perk and the invulnerability on cloak prestige perk and you can be very safe, on top of the contested heal on cloak. But if you do it wrong the charge will bug out and you’ll loose a huge chunk which puts you in danger if you don’t have trash to headshot since cloak has the second longest cool down. It’s very strong give it a try, but since you’re asking i’d say don’t try sniper in the weekly, too much pressure on you to do it without messing up as a new sniper player.

>>538240001
It’s tricky, you pretty much go off of feel or the enemy being mid animation and using the invulnerability prestige perk to set it up. That or when everyone is dead, if you’re the last man standing invis causes everything to stand still. Light into double heavy is almost always the safest bet, doesn’t spend invis charge and has good damage with two block charges, but when you get it down you can burst the last quarter of the boss down, for instance say you see the carnifex going for its leap attack. You can cloak and start charging it as it leaps, it lands while you’re in I frames, and before it pulls it’s claws out you let go and nuke it. Similar for lictors ect, you want to get them in a long animation.

>>538240324
I see, i-frame abuse the shit out of it.

>>538240014
>My current Linux related issues do not help as I have to quit to title after every failure since I can't sit in lobbies for some fucking reason.
For me it's going through an op without CTD. They fucked up something on their backend or with the game itself. I've seen anons posting the very same problem a few times now and Saber definitely made another mess.

>>538240014
You need decent to godlike teammates to beat Hard stratagems.

No Assault, no Sniper, no underleveled shitters, no non-maxed prestige 4 lazy shitters, Vanguard needs the Extremis heal perk, Bulwark with the contested heal perk and great timing on banners.

>>538240489
Exactly, you can’t count on the lunge or the enemy AI not walking away. But you can count on their long animation recovery attacks and your two seconds of invulnerability after invis. But if your brothers fall you can get spicy with it, but again it’s very risky because if you don’t have invis at the ready you’re walking the razors edge because you are squishy, so it’s an opportunity cost thing, is it worth not having invis for 10 seconds to hit something with the burst damage? Sometimes yes, mostly no. Light into double wide sweep stab is always safer and decent damage, not chainsword rev tech tier or power sword rake spam but not still good with nice stagger.

>>538240801
I’ve ran bulwarks armour regen team perk for my runs, it’s far better against bosses. One bar is all you need to trade damage with the carnifex or eat a sneaky lictor hit. It’s going to be something like 180 bars of armour across the team for the mission regened.

>>538239284
>Is Sniper with bolt carbine good in absolute/
Sure
>hard strategem?
Current one? Hell no, it's as useless as the Assault
Inferno Hard needs the Vanguard + Bulwark, the last choice is a Tactical with either the plasma or pyreblaster or the Heavy with pyrecannon or multimelta

>>538240801
>>538241034
Sniper isn’t useless on it but it’s super luck dependent, if you get a melta early you can do a lot especially with a tac on the team. If you don’t though you’ll struggle since carbine falls off against enemies this tanky, and your melee combos leave you open. It’s pretty much like playing high siege. Sniper can do well in high siege but it’s all about melta cycling.

>>538241236
Thing is the map doesn't shit out Melta bombs like in siege mode and if there is one the Tactical should always get first dibs on it since he will regen it faster compared to Pattern of Excellence.

Your job is to just stealth heal downed teammates and your guns are useless thanks to fog of war. Vanguards don't even carry bolters in this map and take the Melta rifle for crowd clearing.

>>538232160
How about they have a "bulwark doesn't work modifier" (randoms will still join your lobby using bulwark), dodge rolls hurt you, and you take all the damage your teammates do? Or maybe combine having no max health with the dodge roll deals damage modifier? And why not turn off gun strikes while at it?
This week's modifiers are at least fine until you run into an unlucky spawn. There are plenty of modifiers that will make the game entirely unplayable on their own and there is no way they will manage to avoid using them for the weekly for long. Things could be so much worse.

already maxed out my HBR, Plasma, Melta, and Pyre for my Tactical. i just hit prestige level 3 right now whats the next good weapon I should go with? Stalker bolt?

>>538241410
Sniper gets a melta every 30 seconds, and another every 60 seconds from the tac. Sniper should always get the melta bomb, no one can spam them faster. Snipers job is getting in the mix and bombing blobs if carbine, or doing that while not spamming as many metals but fucking deleting zoan/nueros for free if las. Never spend cloak charge to res just melee cancel it and use the free 2 seconds to do it.

>>538241569
Yes

Do the ABR/HBR last

After the Stalker bolter do the carbine then the normal bolter since the Heroic combibolter is useful

>Axe isn't bad /sm2g/ just sucks
Lol
Lmao
Rofl

>>538241569
Stalker and carbine are the hands down best bolters so i’d say one of them, stalker for meaty headshots and carbine for run and gun brrrt. Stalker also ruins the floating brain boys which is a very strong niche. But it’s looking like flamer is actually tacs strongest weapon right now just above the plasma build. I’d say do stalker next since you have good close range stuff already, new playstyle and all that.

>>538241601
>Snipers job is getting in the mix and bombing blobs if carbine, or doing that while not spamming as many metals but fucking deleting zoan/nueros for free if las. Never spend cloak charge to res just melee cancel it and use the free 2 seconds to do it.
You haven't played hard Stratagem and if you did you never got past a certain point.

Your idea works in normal Absolute and hard siege mode.

>>538240761
I dunno.
I've ran the gambit of diagnosing whatever it is. I've posted it here before so thread regulars will recognize. Game freezes. ram usage maintains but everything else goes to idle. Remains stuck on the last image and sound queue.
Has a chance to happen in lobbies (both when I'm alone and with groups) and whenever a siege mode wave spawns if I'm with a group.

>>538241827
I’ve carried by so so friends through it, 4 wins on it so far. Granted 2 were on bulwark because it’s just the best class for it. The sniper runs were harder but the buff you get when your brothers die is insane and invis tech lets you just light heavy the carnifex to death with ease, floaty boy isn’t a threat on sniper.

watch them nerf the pyreblaster and pyrecannon that they become useless like the grenade launcher
they'll also nerf the heroic combibolter's melta, as someone who cheated in accolades to bypass saber's bullshit it's actually incredibly useful in this current crop of stratagems

>>538241982
You say that but last patch they buffed power fist. To their credit the devs haven’t ever been nerf happy, hell the even walked back bulwarks healing banner nerf by 50%.

Xenophase blade is Balanced but has 1 speed and 2 cleave, that's not Balanced at all and more like Block.

Does the game still run like shit

>>538242423
Not unless you have an absolute garbage pc.

>>538241827
Sniper isn’t the strongest class but a good sniper can pull some real cheese off, it can absolutely pull it off in the weekly. It’s just the average sniper doesn’t know all the tech to actually play it to the fullest, which is fair enough, they see sniper and pick it to sit back and click heads not to cause MGS3 levels of mischief.

>>538242472
16gbs ram
3060

a wave turns the mud into minecraft and delays sounds

>>538242537
Crazy since the game somehow runs on xbox series s, maybe look up some configs you can change? Get rid of particles and all that

>>538242524
The FOW prohibits sniping which makes sniper builds useless, the guy is banking on a Melta spawn which barely happens if not at all

Without the Melta bomb your utility is just resurrecting dead teammates since they will die if you don't at first

Without FOW you can pick the Las Fusil and delete enemies at a distance, the sight isn't even 30m but more like 5m

>>538242524
>cyrus
>scipius
stealthy sniper characters eternally doomed to have their sniping aspect sidelined for abusing enemy AI with their stealth and spamming explosives

>>538242850
that's because the las fusil and bolt sniper rifle don't oneshot enemies without taking specific builds and the horde gameplay punishes true snipers
at least the las fusil can pierce multiple minoris

>>538242537
I had run SM2 with a 3080 laptop which is basically a kinda shittier version of a desktop 3060 and it run it fine, tinker with your settings.

>>538242845
First brother again, you’re really underestimating how silly sniper can get when played to perfection. You can keep invis (plus invuln) up at a near 100% up time, i’ve slowly stabbed siege 30 hellbrutes to death. I’m not saying your average random is going to come in clutch, but the class is insanely strong it just requires a lot of understanding to do it. Carbine is probably stronger in strat mode since you miss some breakpoints with the las because the enemies have more hp for some stupid reason. But playing it like high siege is absolutely the play and it’s how i’ve gotten all of my wins, it’s all about buying time and space when you brothers fall on every class. Which is why I value bulwark so much, free armour on a cooldown and banners charging for blocking ranged chip while you kite on top of the buff you get is massive. Hardest thing about this modifier is simply how buggy the unkillable lictor gets with its sound. The darkness stuff really isn’t that big of a deal you just need to ping like you’re playing darktide when zoans show up, biovores aren’t too tough to find and spore mines really aren’t all that bad now after the nerfs.

>>538239138
I think you found the only possible combination of parts where the glove won't look like shit.

>>538242850
Snipers rarely work in these types of games so i’m happy we have a sneaky niche, one of the strongest niches top that always flies under the radar. I’ve been expecting nerfs for awhile now but with all the new stuff I think we might just sneak on by. Corax would be proud

What other retarded modifiers has Saber conjured? or have they slowly pulled them back from the server?

I bet we're going to get an unkillable Chaos sorcerer constantly reanimating Chaos Marines or an unkillable Terminator.

They hate their players so much I can see a hard stratagem map with just Neurothropes and Zoanthropes.

>Do the weekly with a friend
>They get the Ruthless achievement
>Do it with another friend
>I get the Absolute achievement
Huh?

>>538243486
>>538242850
>>538242845
>>538242524
Should just rename Sniper to Scout since most high level/lategame players don't even play sniper builds but carbine scout

Fits in the lore and universe too since there are Primaris scout marines

They wanted Eliminators but their style of play is horrendous for a mass horde game

>>538243558
Unkillable sorc might not actually be too bad, you’d only have to deal with its shit during bosses and events. Rest of the map would just be speed run mode. Actually sounds more fun than a lictor randomly destroying you

>Splitting up a dying game across 8 missions
These devs are beyond saving, SM3 is fucked

>>538243782
>Unkillable sorc might not actually be too bad, you’d only have to deal with its shit during bosses and events. Rest of the map would just be speed run mode. Actually sounds more fun than a lictor randomly destroying you
Yeah but it'll be in Vortex and Broken Vanguard is also on :)

>>538243710
It basically plays like a 30k mor dythan, can be a sneaky sniper but is also just as at home back stabbing dudes and planting bombs, blowing people away with combi meltas in ambush ect. Actually pretty cool to think about it that way

>>538243885
Vortex is just fucked, the boss is horrible and will be the main source of wipes after a long as fuck mission.

Sniper and vanguard should get bolt rifles and auto bolter. Sniper should get the oculus carbine. Vanguard should get the flamer. Everyone should get every pistol. And may as well give tac power sword and axe and vanguard the power sword, not like chainsword is on par if not better.

>>538230026
which ultramarine successor chapter are you playing as, brother?

>>538244795
Tactical should get combat knife, thunderhammer, power sword and power axe
Vanguard should get the normal bolter, ABR and pyreblaster
Sniper should get the normal bolter, heavy bolter, pyreblaster, plasma pistol, chainsword, power axe
Heavy should get combat knife, power fist and chainsword

Having classes in this game is one of the most retarded design decisions I have ever seen.

>>538241547
protip: queue as bulwark yourself. if you join a mission in progress, change to another class. if you get on a battle barge, wait till both guys join and are on the landing pad, then quickly change from bulwark to the desired class and sprint towards the thunderhawk so they don't have time to change themselves.

>>538237757
Well that's fucking gay it's locked to phobos.

>>538243868
I need to farm sieges for purple mana, fml

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KARAK FUCKING STONE
GIVE ME KARAK STONE
GIVE IT TO ME

>>538240801
I did it with randoms on assault. Just get lucky and don't get a neurothrope spawn and you can win on any class. Oh and definitely don't be leveling anything.

>>538245674
This

Personally liked the anon's idea from last thread where it was a weighted loadout system, and every single item from armor patterns to jump-packs to weapons to abilities had a resource attached to it, and then you crafted your loadout based on the resource costs.

The only good Space Marine game would be a Tides game but even then Fatshark would create zero content for it until years post launch.

>>538245550
Eh sniper doesn’t need that stuff, the carbine and bolt rifles would be enough. Knife could use a bit of a buff to be in line with chainsword and then maybe sniper could have chainsword too.

>>538246720
>then maybe sniper could have chainsword too
>Cameleoline cloak active
>>BRMMM BRMMMMMB BRRRMBBB

>>538246678
>Marinetide game where simply sprinting had the same properties as the Ogryn charge ability
I'd fucking nut.

>>538246678
Fatshark curse, make an amazing base game with some small issues. Take a 6 month vacation for the game to die then come back with a shit update. Spend the next year fixing it, games in a great state ready for the comeback, drop some great new content, and then disappear as the player base does likewise. Every fucking time. Love their games they really are the best in the coop business but they suck ass at supporting them. They could have had all of helldivers success and more if they just updated their shit

>>538246868
Full rev also needs a fat ass buff, it’s so bad for no reason

>>538246312
That makes the game unplayable with rando online. It's already difficult getting people to pick the helpful team perk. With that kind of set up, it's borderline impossible to get rando to pick items to cover for the team.
Class system is already good as it is. Every class already have a set list of utility they can provide

>>538246973
Make it have infinite cleave on a max charge and way way further distance. Let me rip through 40 gaunts and bury my sword in a warrior in the middle of them.

>>538245550
>>538244795
Classes and passives should be removed, its fucking stupid. There isnt even builds, there is 1 build per class, its all just an annoying waste of time to grind.

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I want to strangle whoever implemented stagger mechanics this way.

>>538247352
>there is 1 build per class,
you're not good at this game if that's what you think. or did you watch a youtuber say that?

>>538247638
>make a claim
>post a video which is supposed to illustrate the claim
>the video starts with a missed dodge and follows with a missed parry
why would you post that, how are we supposed to treat you seriously

>>538247652
There is no worthwhile alternative to unmatched zeal.
There is no worthwhile alternative to invigorating icon.
There is no worthwhile alternative to bonds of brotherhood.
The overwhelming majority of class perks in this game usually share their column with something infinitely better and they're probably useless on their own either way.

>>538247638
>Whip enemies have an attack that pull you in
>Regular whip warrior has this
>The boss has the exact same move, and even the same follow up after he pulled you in
Woooooowwwww

>>538247852
>missed dodge on a wonky red grab
>missed parry on a followup attack that's usually a reflex parry
How much health would I have lost if my teammate's melta didn't stagger me out of my parry that was going to hit? Zero, you stupid nigger.

I’m so glad there’s such a cool Neurothrope move where he just screams and drains your health bar and if you’re in a bad spot you literally can’t get away from it and just die
That’s so fucking cool and I’m so glad they kept that shit in the game for this long

I did it. I cleared the weekly on hard. I'm not a fraud and I pulled the run back on the brink of failure as last man standing against one of the boss and one of the 2 for the other boss.

>>538248118
And not one indication of its radius either so if you think you're far enough away, but just sit on the edge, your entire armor bar vanishes

>>538247652
There is 1 build per class

>>538248118
Honestly, that move is only deadly due to the the modifier. You don't even get hit by it after the first time outside of stratagem because you just shoot it from far away

>>538248118
learn the pattern.

>>538248118
>neurothrope spawns a bunch of devourers
>they just crowd around him in his shield and you can't approach him as he psychic waves you to death
What a well designed game.

>>538247907
All of these 3 are only the best at ruthless and above. That are equal to other perks at low/mid level. You are only that scared for stim at high difficulty and also have enough extremist to make the execution heal worth while

>>538247907
I agree with you. It's just not what a build is. It's the combination of class perks, weapons and weapon perks, and there are plenty of viable options here.

>>538248568
And there is objectively the best perks, weapons and weapon perks; meaning there is only 1 real build.

But go ahead and use something other than Fist on Bulwark while being a detriment to your entire team.

>>538248527
>all of these are only the best above the difficulties too easy to lose
No shit.

>>538248568
>plenty of viable options here.
>Each perk lane only as 1 viable perk
>Each weapon only has 1 viable selection pathway
>There is at best 1-2 good weapons for each class
There are no builds, shut the fuck up.

>>538247146
And faster charge, same for shadow stab. 2 seconds is a second too long in this game.

>>538248645
>But go ahead and use something other than Fist on Bulwark while being a detriment to your entire team.
I absolutely do, because low damage on the stats screen is not "a detriment to your entire team". I know how to game the system and get a high score, it's just i don't find that fun anymore.

>>538248825
>Shitter who gets carried thinks anyone cares what he thinks

>>538248118
It’s bullshit but once it does it the move goes on cool down and you can power fist the shit out of it.

>>538248825
>Anecdotal evidence
The fist is the strongest weapon by far, its not even a competition. To pretend there are other "viable" builds is bullshit, you can take sub-optimal shit and win but that isn't a "build" its just playing badly.

>>538241901
For me it's a freeze than CTD. I've checked my temps as one anon suggested (they were fine though), analyzed everything from GPU voltage/mem frequency and temps to CPU behavior. With the exception of nvidia drivers which are from two weeks ago everything's up to date, including bios. I am on win 11 though not on Linux and I have a feeling recent updates might've added problems to the mix. I guess I'll go and uninstall the ones I still can (thanks M$!).
It's a mystery to me too, especially given that throughout the year I never encountered such a problem. That's why my assumption that there was a change on Saber's end that could contribute to problems of smaller player group.

>>538247907
>The overwhelming majority of class perks in this game usually share their column with something infinitely better and they're probably useless on their own either way.
This is the worst part. The best ones are when the perk does nothing or is a detriment.

>>538248926
what does build have to do with being the most optimal you turbo autist

>>538249027
you WILL hit breakpoints or you will be called a shitter

Just cleared the weekly with randoms while drunk as skunk on xbox, you can do it brothers. 7th clear this week. Just play bulwark, take the damage reduction perks across the board and you can not die as last man standing it’s silly

>>538248072
>Parry that was going to hit
Your parry wasn't on the same zip code as that attack lmao.

>>538249392
>take the damage reduction perks across the board
NOOOOO THERE IS JUST ONE VIABLE BUILD FOR EACH CLASS

>>538249453
My second parry went out before he hit me, retard.

>>538249816
next time do it right the first time. or even better, dodge the first attack and gunstrike

>>538249816
perhaps you should have evaded away from his firing lines.

>>538249959
The first parry hitting would have been irrelevant because the melta exploded right before the tyrant attacked, any correct parry would have been staggered.
Getting the dodge wouldn't have mattered either because the tyrant would have closed and then I get staggered by a melta either way.
Think ahead for once in your life.

The "people" who constantly defend saber's atrocious game design in this general are the same ones who get to level 25 prestige 4 without realizing you can heal mortal wounds.

>>538250530
the people who play games they don't like have masochism disorder.

>>538250683
Can you point to a single post in this thread that says they don't like space marine 2?

>>538250905
are you a woman?

>>538251037
No?
That's two non-sequitur posts in a row from you.

>>538247852
>missed parry
He was staggered out of the parry by a melta going off

>>538247907
>bonds of brotherhood
Maybe if you're playing pubs but the other perks are just fine

>>538252082
Being able to heal out of a mortal wound with a single medicae is invaluable and if you and your friend group as a team haven't completed at least ten absolute operations in a row without a single incapacitation you can't really claim it's not the best.

>Assault 30% gunstrike + axe 20% gunstrike
>still cant one shot with a gunstrike
Lame

>>538255995
Yeah it’s not great

>>538252286
Yes, it's good if your team isn't the best but the other perks offer great values too regardless of experience level. Ranged damage reduction in particular is very strong.

>>538255995
What gun? The absolute best is the damage HBP but yeah you're not 1 shotting anything anyway

>>538255995
For a weapon that has no damage outside its parrying gimmick, a full tilt parry-gunstrike build honestly should be able to kill a warrior with just parry->backstep->gunstrike even on absolute. However, I'd rather it get some more damage to its regular attacks, being a parry stick to the point you might as well not attack yourself sounds dull. Ideally the build paths for it would let it choose between one of those two options.

>>538257551
I'm pretty sure if you backstep, you don't get the gunstrike damage bomus

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>>538210468
>I've been training myself against the spawns

>>538257621
I've heard the timing is very strict but not impossible

>The player base is so bad the game is easier with bots.
Time to go back to Heckdudes

>>538257746
"While you're here bitching about the blue marks, I've been honing my blade" - Anon