Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8624 - Psychic Hog Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Animationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocBa8jTXUA >TailsTube #13 - Pit Crewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYfo0Wy2NA >Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - CrossTalk 7 | Dr. Eggman, Zavok, & Zazzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7MOcp_ZX4 >Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comics Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 22 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 5 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 26 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ cytube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg>CrossWorlds dialogue datamines:https://pastebin.com/kAx2DP5c (EN)https://pastebin.com/0vg53isp (JP)>/sthg/ #10000 Project Threadhttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone:>>538496004
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>>538526612best hog
>>538526703Stop
>Both threads have sauceless windless faggot opsAAAAAHHHHH LET ME OUT. I HATE THIS GENERAL AAAAAAHHHHH
>>538526703Why are black people this lame?
>>538526612shit fraud op
>>538526991God you people are sad.
Give Silver a new backstory that isn't full of holes
Silver is a bottom for human men.
Shadow and Silver exists to protect the world where Sonic is notSonic can't be everywhere
>>538526703He's getting a lot of attention you know, also post cute ships
Having a tragic background does not automatically make you a good or interesting character
All of this without 1 good gameImagine if he had one.
>>538527428This entire franchise is like that. Fixing Silver would require they fix everything, and that just isn't happening. Enjoy your 5 years too late fall guys game and shitty kartslop title, stupid and pay for the deluxe version while youre at it, stinky.
>>538527428Sega won't let Nakamura fucking cook
>>538527428I'll fill his holes alright
>>538527661But enough about Sonic.
>>538527634this is a pill shitverfags are incapable of swallowing but they're able to suck cocks just fine
Shadow and Maria are cute lovers
>>538526612Everyone is easily fatigued from this edgytard, time to change it!
>>538527696Why the fuck would they when the games sell just fine as is? There's no need to put money, let alone effort into a project that is guaranteed to sell because the blue rat is on it.
Why Shadowfags hate Silver oso much? there's barely anything related to them both, hell they barely mean shit to one another.
>>538527847Now people are ignoring shadow was shit, since 2010 until sega changed his ways since recent times?Silver is crap too, but for real shadowfags are just hypocrites.
Tails ^-^
>>538528126Why do you think it's Shadowfags specifically? Silver isn't a popular character. Its not a stretch to see a silverhater.
>>538527983>shitverfag tantrum>chadow hate out of nowhereshitverfags are jealous faggots. your faggot ripoff belongs in the vault it will stay there
Is Frontiers worth replaying? I thoroughly enjoyed the game, but the DLC was a major disappointment. Maybe the time away from mainline Sonic games is what I needed
>>538527634>>538527847Alright samefag don't break your arms fingering yourself
>>538527896Not lovers, Maria is dead
>>538527428>>538527665And people shit their pants when you point out Preboot Archie Sonic STILL has the most well rounded and well established world building even 13 years after cancelation
>>538526612I can't explain it but this kind of shipping fanart is straight-up garbage, it feels like some kind of lgbtq erasure or something
>>538528276Shadow and Maria were lovers!Maria is alive in Shadow's heart!
>>538528246>>538528247Shitdowfags are getting so insecure Silver might over shadow them, it's the only explanation, else they would've not cared
>>538527847Don't care what Shitdowfags say, I just want more Silver
>>538528268No.
>>538528268>Is Frontiers worth replaying?If you wantI prefer playing the arcade modes instead of starting a new playthrough every time, I don't care for the "open zone" aspect that much>the DLC was a major disappointmentWhat did you dislike about it? It's my favorite part of the game, although in The Final Horizon is kinda hard to understand what the game wants you to do
Remember when Arin Hanson was credited in Mania?
>>538528270Keep your delusions to yourself tranny
>>538528270>all chad shitver haters are samefagsyou're just as stupid as your faggot twink
>>538528484Who?
>>538528484What a time it was to be alive
Look at this vegeta ripoff trying to milk the same shit over and over again, Shadowfags are killing themselves quickly without realizing it
!!
Sonic
>Shitnic>Shitow>Shitails>Shitmy>Shitkles>Shitver>Cream <3>Shitga>Shitouge>Shitnik>Shitmy>Shitspio >Shitx>Shitsper>Shitgle>ShitlinThis franchise has no good characters.
>shitverfags getting uppity lashing out at the superior hedgehogchadow got 2 games and shitver will never get even 1. kwab
>>538528173Shadow was never shit. His game still sold better than Colors and Lost World. Sega was just very obsessed with appealing to nintendobabs
>>538528661Shadow is literally Sonic Team's pet character. If it wasn't for upper management they would replace Sonic with Shadow.
>>538528796Shitdowfags are the ones lashing out just because people talk about Silver
>>538528580You're just as retarded as you self-insert, that's why you're obvious.
Shut up and kiss
>>538528751the pedo doesnt even likes marine or sage? now that's sad
>>538525752I'm gonna cry.
>>538528898Honestly that'd be the best move for them anyways. Seeing how Sonic isn't allowed to have a personality anymore.
>>538528661>past ten years>only 1 thing isn't from the year of shadowshitverfags are fucking retarded
Silver
Why is it that when I save pics other users have posted here, they suddenly become over 4MB and too big to be reuploaded by me?
>>538528832Vegetadow was a thing for almost a decade.
>>538528796Shitdow has one shitty game, the other is just DLC of repeating SA2, that never got better then TSR, should've kept him as a one off, no one wants him except from little moviefags.
>>538528661>an ENTIRE dlc episode>it's just 3 short stages using recycled assets>before the game's release Shadow received little to no content for 10 years>after the game's release Shadow received little to no content for 6 more yearsMost of that pic is for Year of Shadow. Hopefully Silver will have his time too someday
>>538526612>Silver
What game does Silver have again?
Shadow
>>538529110Because they didn't want to touch any of his actual lore from SA2 or Shad05, again, because of wanting to slurp nintendo weiners.
>>538528832>sold better than Colors and Lost World.PFHAHAHHAHAHA
>>538529303Just you wait. 2029 will be our year!
>>538529217As much as I want every character to get support from Sega, no one is getting as much as Shadow except a member of the core 4
>>538529353>no actual argument
>ACK SHADOW-SAMA I'M SORRY FOR BEING AN ANNOYING FAGGOT
Amy
>>538529321Made for "mental illness" people
>>538529348Splatoon lore and Metroid lore is just as fucked up if not more so, so why the hell did they think that was necessary?
>>53852930306, Rivals and Rivals 2 he's fully playableSecret Rings, Black Knight only in minigames
>>538529512OOC. Silver would never apologize for being a massive unlikable faggot.
>>538529303He only has one game to his name and it’s eternal. 06 remake is inevitable
>>538529562which archie issue is this wtf?
>>538529453You might be right, but we'll see. None of us thought Year of Shadow could happen until we saw the end of movie 2, the franchise has been surprising lately>except a member of the core 4Like even this was kinda unthinkable until The Final Horizon
Metal
>>538529532
Why do so many people here have such a hateboner for this guy?I don't get it
Douge
>>538529580Because they miserably and pathetically wanted to be like Mario? Did the setting of Colors and Lost World not give it away?FFS, Sega was so fucking ashamed of Sonic, they wanted to replace him with Boom Sonic, even calling him Legacy Sonic at one point, before rolling it back due to how much of an even bigger shitshow Boom was.
>>538529648>06 remake is inevitableWhy would they do that when P-06 already exists? There's no way they could live up to even the fan efforts. You need to think smaller scale. Something they can rush out in a year despite claiming they spent several developing it.
If Sonic hates Amy so much, why doesn't he just tell her? Just rip her heart out already!
>>538528661Would you rather be Crash Bandicoot at the moment? Getting replaced by fucking Bubsy.
>I AM STRONGER THEN YOU! I JUST NEED THE EMERALDS INIFINTE POWERS AND TO STOP TIM-ACK!
I used to know this kid who unironically liked Silver. I tricked him into cutting his finger off during shop class. Shitverfags have room temp IQ
What if Sonic's rival was an emo blonde girl?
>>538529794It's the character you're not allowed to enjoy from the game you're not allowed to enjoy. There isn't much reason nor sense to make out of it, they just like punching down and mock anyone who likes him
>>538529853because that would make her cry and sonic hates tears
>>538529794>gay>no cool moments>leech>nerdy voice>shitty debut>UWUver infection>slow gameplay
>>538529648Nta but they are not remaking that, broski. They are going to keep stealing from it like they did with both the Generations games
>>538529970No it wouldn't. Amy is a girlboos who doesn't need no man now. She wouldn't cry either.
>>538529884They did that to you, didn't they anon...
>>538529980But enough about Shadow
>>538529837P-06 isn't a full remake, neither in the sense of it replicating all the content nor the sense of it fully remaking everything (it's mostly just using the original's assets). A fan project also has no way to know what internal unpublished or unfinished content and concepts Sonic Team had.
windfags fear this
>>538530075shitverfags much like their shitty gay trunks ripoff are too retarded to understand when they're being manipulated. I bet that faggot offed himself out of honor
>>538530397I wish Sonic was real
Im making a list of "cool" games I can play that are like Sonic, but actually quality. Some out and some not yet.I got JSR/BRCF, Crazy Taxi, DenshAttack, Star Garden, Spark the Electric Jester, and Rolling Rascals. Are there any cool games along that sort of feel that you would recommend? I'm a sucker for low poly and nu-low poly games.
>>538530272holy rape
Why Shitdowfags are this fucking scared of Silver? he can't do anything to them
>>538529794I just don't really like him.
>>538530395Play, sure, but unless SEGA put effort into it (lmfao), I struggle to find a reason Id buy it over something fan made and likely controls better.
>>538529826Cute N Canon!
Shitver the cringehog
Krack VS the Sonic fandom
>>538530498Aren't Shadowfags one of many many retards on xwitter who turn into trannies at the smallest inconvenience? not even shitdow can forget about a 12 yr old that he met for a couple of weeks, what makes his fags any different?
>>538529980>gayfanon>no cool momentshis 06 opening cutscene was cool, also his Generations boss fight was great>leechThere are more stories where Silver is with any other but Blaze, it's the opposite Blaze needs to leech off Silver to stay relevant>nerdy voiceCurrent Silver isn't and never was in japanese>shitty debutSilver is still able to show his character and powers>UWUver infectionNo different than other character being OOC by western writers, only that Silver gets it worse>slow gameplayPlay Rivals if you haven't, he's fast there and "Silver being slow" is not a rule set in stone
>>538529648An 06 remake would reinstate the trifecta and make sure shadouge and silvaze are never questioned again
Isn't he a Silver villain?
>shitdow seethe
>>538530873>year of silver>knuckles fucking dies
Why fight? Literally all the current versions of the characters are garbage? No one is being written well? And why would they when the games sell regardless?
>>538530873No he's just a "god" villain.
Silver is not Guts.
>>538531181We have to fight ourselves because our rage would be shrugged off impotently if we directed it at the actual parties responsible.
Amy Rose
>>538529857This is by far the biggest m. Night shaylaman plot twist video game mascot characters and the video game industry as a whole had in recent years.How the fuck bubsy is still alive, he's above crash and mega man now.
>>538531196Still, he's pretty cool.
>>538531314If we truly banded together we could force SEGA to bend the knee. We made Paramount move, we just dont demand the same quality from the games like we did with the movies.
>>538531314>our rage would be shrugged off impotently if we directed it at the actual parties responsiblemaybe because all of your complaints don't actually matter?
Sheer headcanon I know but I like to imagine that it's considered extremely rude and impolite to ever touch a foxes' ears or tails without their permission so whenever someone grabs or tries to fluff Tails' tails without his consent he's either really frustrated or distraught about it. Foxes only allow people they consider close friends or family to touch and cuddle with their tail(s).
Explain this
>>538529217>Hopefully Silver will have his time too somedayWhy should Silver have anything over the other characters? He's not as iconic or popular as Shadow or even as known among casuals like Knuckles, Tails, Amy, Rouge and Metal Sonic are
>>538531539Well, you see...
Shadowtrannies to every characterfag:
>>538531539Eh?
Cute!
>>538531383I really like these, moody? kit pictures you post, anon
>>538531327The story of how this happened is so ludicrous that you won't believe it.https://youtu.be/cPNUWarDu2o?si=Kq31vodzSIvJwjYhThis is all it took to convince the Atari CEO to fund a new Bubsy game. Meanwhile, Capcom fired/let go the main guy behind Mega man 11 cause they're retards.
>>538531539Midichlorians
>>538531589So character is allowed to have any focus besides them?
>>538531786I wish there were more of them
>>538531517Pretty sure foxes irl have scent glands meant for marking on their tails and they get angry if some random person they don't know tries to stroke them.
>>538531737Think fast, stinky
Sonic should be like the California Raisins
>>538531589Because they already had something? its the enclosed mentality we're having, imagine if they listened to you and focused on other characters now, we wait for sometime until we forget about them, and you would say the same exact thing again, the idea is that Silver is the only character who never had any good things, and it's a waste.
>>538531509Most Sonic fans think Sonic games are in a good place right now
>>538532009Because he is fairly obscure I would assume, but I don't know why moody art of him speaks to me so much. Maybe a weird desire of patting him in the head or something
>>538532232Because they are fucking stupid.
Last one, seeya
>>538532232And that's why Sonic will never improve. The fans yearn for mediocrity.
>>538532282why do you think that? What's wrong with current Sonic games?
>>538532426Take care, anon
>>538527428His current backstory is perfectly fine. Sonic Team are just shit at explaining things.
>>538529794Pick any of the below >His game was the final straw for bad gameplay and too many shitty friends >He is a third male hedgehog where some believe Shadow should have been the limit (some think Shadow also shouldn't exist which I sometimes agree with>Everything regarding him, Blaze, and Eggman Nega >His time travelling to Sonic's past and what that means for the present cast's ability and overall narrative to protect their world >His appearances as an "important" friend of Sonic and Shadow while severely lacking any real bond with themBasically Silver has a significant size of hardcore autists against him
>>538532487They are stuck in the past
>>538531980>>538532146It's not fair for Silver to have his own Shadow Generations style game before Knuckles and Tails
>>538528484Is that why everyone turned on Mania?
It's actually hilarious some of you genuinely think Silver will ever get a game of his own
A reminder to everyone by the superior Shadowfag
Get those pencils out sthg
>>538532798No one said that, we just want to play as him first and go from there
>>538533042>Esoteric trans compendium Quit it you'll awaken Shadowhater that poster has been on a roll.
>>538532085*dies*
>>538533210Silver's character still isn't properly established to most of the fandom. He just has cooler vibes now.
>>538533210Silver should be fed last and not before
>>538533303Now's my chance to finish!
>>538533416Yeah and everyone has been fed before.
Maria would molest Shadow even if he was trans.
It's weird how Blaze is in no CrossWorlds promotional material.
>>538533303
>>538533387Add him as another playable in a 3d game and see if he get's established
>>538533663Who gives a shit, it's a kart game.
>>538533579No, they haven't
>>538533518You bumbling-
>>538533663She is you can see her for a split second in one of the trailers, i don't remember which one tho
Shitdowsisters? we're spoken for by who??
>>538533113The silly
Sonic Re-Rush looks like it's doing what Sonic 3DRush was trying to do, but better. Which is good. 3DRush's dev went on to do useless youtube shit and spend their time on Twitter. We need more indie devs that just fucking do it.
>>538533931>A split second in one of the trailers>No graffiti art>Not in the posters>Not in the game's intro movie>Not in the promotional animationWhy is she so absent? She's partnered with Silver and he's prominently in all of the above
>>538533729I hope you know you're banned for life, Amy.
>>538534212Watch it ending up the same.
>>538533856I prefer it when the body is still warm.
>>538533042Ok, I am now officially a Silverfag instead. I will just imagine he is what he could be with a good game and a small rewrite, not what he actually is
>>538534212I find it amazing because SAGE themed its entire run that year after it.
>>538534425And people call Silver the leech?
>>538534007LOL
>>538534482Kek, at this point, I expect it. I refuse to get truly hype about an indie sonic game until they offer at least 3 levels. The fucking endless grid test level never counts.
>>538533042The fact that Krack has continuously been talking more and more like a tranny makes it a non-zero chance that she's going to troon out one day and it'll be hilarious if she does yet would be right in her ballpark of behavior over the years considering she has BPD.
>>538534508>not what he actually isWhat is he actually to you?
>>538534425She has a shirt, and she should be away from Silver since he's the one who's ruining her
>>538534686That's not for CrossWorlds.
>>538534686Sonic and his rivals
Silver will be playable at some point but it sure as hell will not be a spin off nor dlc
>>538534680What are you talking about schizo?
>>5385346862004 ass renders
>>538534875Genuine question then, what the hell is "racing around the world" then?
>>538534686Whoa Eggdad is fast!
>>538535000It's this year's version of Fast Friends Forever but it fell to wayside with all the other stuff they've put out.
>>538534964The last time Sonic's model was touched in any way, a gamestop employee was maced. At this point, those dated ass models are here to stay.
>>538534680projecting newfag tanny, krack doesn’t have bpd she’s a Sparkytype autist
I NEED SEX
>>538534909Please make him fast
>>538534680I thought Krack had asd
>>538535208No one wants a new character design. We just want a new model that better reflects the 2D artwork.
The fact we're more excited to talk about namefags than the games is infinitely hilarious to me.
NO HER WIND
Armchairing someone's mental condition is a surefire way of losing marbles. Would not recommend.
THERE WAS NO "PROBLEM" WITH AMYS CHARACTER, SHE WAS CUTE, SILLY, FUNNY, AND CHARMING, HER WANTING TO DATE SONIC WAS A GOOD RUNNING GAG (literally) AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO STOP DOING IT OTHER THAN SOME FUCKING FEMINIST OR JEW OR BOTH WHO NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAMES COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND COULDNT ACCEPT THAT NOT ALL ART EXISTS FOR THEM SO THEY DESTROYED SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.I WANT AMY TO BE OBSESSED WITH SONICI WANT SONIC TO RUN AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE HE THINKS SHES ANNOYINGI WANT IT TO BE A FUN RUNNING GAG LIKE IT WAS BEFOREI DONT GIVE A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT ((((CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT))))) FUCK THAT SHITGENOCIDE ARCHIEFAGS, GENOCIDE SAT-AMFAGS, GENOCIDE (((CONSULTING))) FIRMS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NUKE ISRAEL.
>>538535271ben dover
>>538535425/ourguy/ Pariah695 said Sonic needs a redesign
>>538535439Which Sonic games have better movement physics? Unleashed and 2011 Gens or Frontiers and Shadow Gens?
>>538535726>BoostNone of the above. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.
>>538535286There is a 90% chance he will be. The last 10% is Sonic Team being retarded again and fucking him over with a different gameplay style because they wanted to experiment
>>538535642Pariah is a classicshitter, I don't take him seriously
>>538535856SA1 and SA2 have worse physics than all of those games. They have fucked turning, grind rails, jump physics, and slope physics.
>>538536012No Respect.
>>538536126I don't respect someone who act like they need anti-depressives
>>538535726SA2 Sonic has the best controls and moveset
Also, >>538536012>>538536126>cum cum cum cum cummiesA thousand lashes ought to do the trick.>>538536270>act likeLmfao
>>538535286>>538535912Silver was supposed to have a Speed Boost item in 06 but it couldn't be coded properly. He's faster in P-06 because the only way to implement it was to make it his base movement speed.
>>538535286He was fast in the Rivals games
>>538536292how so?
>>538536123Bad bait, Boosttranny.
>>538536123Hahahaha, good one, anon.
>>538536414>>538536513In what way am I wrong?
>>538536390>>538536638Let's start with the obvious point. SA1 and SA2 dont have a fucking run button or rollercoaster hallways.
>>538536339>the only way to implement it was to make it his base movement speedThat doesn't make any sense, just program it in>>538536390The controls are precise and tight yet still give a lot of freedom of movement, the rolling flows nicely, Spin Dash jumping off of slopes works perfectly (SA1 was close), rail grinding is the best it's ever been and requires skill, and best of all the SA2 Bounce is the best move in the series with how it interacts with slopes and how it can give a ton of height and speed
>>538447197>What's the difference?Lantern palettes are applied to all models rendered with palette lighting, and they all share a global light direction. All vertices pick colors from a pre-determined palette by their brightness index, so it's impossible to create dynamic lights that would affect the characters and the environment around them.With Ninja lights, Sega could create multiple lights and dynamic lights, including spot and point lights. This system also uses backface culling, which can be seen in Tokyo International Forum footage. Red Mountain, for example, got a lot of use out of spot and point lights, seen here. In the final, those are removed:https://files.catbox.moe/qst0rw.pngIn TIF footage, you can see Gamma walk under a spotlight, which creates a dynamic shadow.https://files.catbox.moe/e71cgm.mp4The final game uses Ninja Lights as well (alongside palette lights) for objects like the Hint Monitor or red switch. The final ended up removing a lot of point and spot lights due to it being costly on performance. Chaos had a ninja light called "Chaos Underlight" that illuminates the environment and characters, which is only visible with Ninja Lights. Its color was dynamic, too. https://files.catbox.moe/089a56.jpgIt's still left over unused in the code in all release builds, including DX releases. Strangely, it's null'd out in the AutoDemo, but the release builds added it back for whatever reason. PkR, the Dreamcast Conversion and mod installer author, started replacing pointers to palette lights with pointers to Ninja Lights. I made my own patch for characters to use Ninja Lights instead of palette. In the AutoDemo, like the final, many of the custom lights are unfortunately not present. All levels still have a main Ninja Light set up, though, and IceCap still has its specular light.>>538447631SA2 uses neither. Well, it uses Ninja Lights, but it's not the main lighting system as far as I know.
>>538536679>SA1 and SA2 dont have a fucking run buttonSA1 has the spamdash. Imagine having to spam a single button in order to move fast.>or rollercoaster hallwayslol
>>538537072Holy cope
>>538537072Even if your argument had merit, dont you think its embarrassing they still haven't learned? Kinda shatters your whole argument.
>>538537072You spam once to gain some speed, if you keep spamming you lose control and crash into walls fall or fall of cliffs
>>538536638SA1 and 2 have seamless turning, decent physics and one of the best jump controls in the 3D games. You’re either baiting for attention or played the shitty demasters.>SA2 having worse grinding than the Boost gamesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>538536123Okay I'll bite.> fucked turningCorrect. While it's still far better than not being able to turn at all in the Boost games, it's perhaps overtuned to the point you never feel fully confident in if you'll turn or fly off the side.>grind railsSkill issue. You need to balance and crouch at the right times.>jump phyiscsSkill issue. Hold to jump higher, press again to boost foward/homing attack. It's simple.>slope physicsNo 3D game has this correctly.
Tails is cute ^-^
Sally-Tails is as big of a problem for Tails characterization as UwUver is for Silver yet Tailsfags don't complain about it anywhere near as much as Silverfags complain about UwUver.Why?
>>538537694I know next to nothing about Sally so I don't exactly know what you're referring to, but I saw someone (you?) say Tails behaves like Sally in the Pontaff scripts for Colors and Lost World. If that's what it is then no I do complain about that
>>538537694I don't care.
>>538537694Sally-tails? you mean actually smart?
>>538537694Shut up already.
>>538537694Tails, being a kid, is supposed to be uwu to a degree. Silver is a self-serious hero that's supposed to be one of Sonic's rivals yet the American branch keep infantilizing his character.
They really need to bring back the SA2 Bounce
>>538538185Rouge doesn't have tits anymore anon
I'm posting thread theme next time if no one else does
>>538534007Goofy's heartless
>>538537694Why every time, a character take initiative or make a plan, retarded people always use sally as an excuse.Fuck, that forgotten chipmunk is not relevant anymore.People genuinely think Sally is the only one capable of making plans? Or taking initiative to lead a plan?It happened with lanolin, it happened with amy, now tails.Fuck that retarded way of thinking, I don't even know why fags are even obsessed with her, she's has been dead since 2017 almost a decade.
>>538527607kill yourself cuck
NO COPYRIGHT LAW IN THE UNIVERSE IS GONNA STOP ME NOW.
What is this generals obsession with characters being “dead” or not, who cares?
>>538537317I know 3D Sonic games are far from great.>>538537319same goes for the boost, especially in Unleashed>>538537495In Adventure games you lose speed AFTER you make a turn which is extremely retarded.>best jump controls in the 3D gamesYou lose all of your speed when jumping and the jump has moon gravity and extremely stiff controls>SA2 having worse grinding than the Boost gamesSA2 grind rails are insanely janky. >>538537502>You need to balance and crouch at the right times.That's not the problem with SA2 rails. I actually like that mechanic.>Skill issue. Hold to jump higher, press again to boost foward/homing attack. It's simple.The jump still feels horrible to use>No 3D game has this correctly.Unleashed and 2011 Gens did
>>538538579
>>538538558When Sonic isn't the one to initiate everything people complain. Nevermind the fact that Tails is always the man with the plans in the games.
>>538538579Why do Blazefags act like they are always on the period?
>>538538558Even ABT didn't dismiss the Sally comparison.
>>538537694>this character is sallyFuck off and fuck you.
>>538538795He's retarded too then.
That chipmunk really mindbroke this general.
never think with your penis
>>538538682Boost you have to hold the button most of the time to gain speed and to kill enemy hordesSpamdash you only need to tap once in the moments you want more speed but you don't need to
>>538538757Why do you see blazefags everywhere? Maybe some silverfags just hate this shit ship? Why retards act like they are always out of their meds?
>>538537694 (Cont'd)Of course Evan Stanley wrote this. You can always tell when Archie alumni touch Tails.This isn't Tails. This is Sally Acorn with a bad dye job and an extra tail. "If my plan is going to work," "We're not here to party, Sonic." This is the exact dynamic Sally had in SatAM, the level-headed tactician trying to keep the "wind" focused on the mission. It's character assassination for Tails.Tails is a mechanic and an inventor, a tinkerer. He's Sonic's best friends who wants to go on adventures with him, not the guy who masterminds the entire operation and has to drag Sonic along. Maekawa started this rot by making him a super genius on par with Eggman, and writers like Flynn and Stanley took that and ran with it, turning him into a stand-in for their beloved Sally. They want to write archie stories but SEGA are too cowardly to let them use the actual Freedom Fighters, so they just graft their personalities onto the game cast.He's the one who got the "really hard to get" invites. He's the one with the plan to catch the thief. Sonic is just along for the ride, bored out of his mind. You could replace Tails with Sally in this scene and it would automatically be an improvement since at least the characters would be acting in character. It's a complete betrayal of Tails' original character.>>538537995The issue isn't that Tails is smart. It's that he's being a nag, an anti-wind character. Tails is supposed to be a humorous, goofy, and fun-loving character at his core. Sally-Tails undermines this. Take a look at his original characterization in Actual, Existing, Sonic the Hedgehog material such as the OVA. Pic rel.>>538538558The issue isn't that he's 'making a plan'. It's that he isn't behaving like his original characterization. He's behaving like Sally Acorn. A nag. A drag. An anchor. An anti-wind bossy 'mother knows best' type character.>>538538807Why are you angry that I'm pointing out issues with characterization because of western writers?
>>538539091Blazefags are the ones complaining that Silver ruins Blazebut no Silverfags complains about Blaze ruin Silver
Was Tails "acting like Sally" in SA2?Fuck off.
Is this Sally
>>538539195Retarded post. Windfaggots are a disease
>>538538757In the Sol Dimension periods last for 20 days, you gotta understand it's not Blaze's fault.
Shipfags are by default wrongGet used to it.
>>538539295I literally hate this ship because of the latterWhy do I need to point this out so some local autistic troon wouldn't lash out on me
>>538539195Retarded post.
>>538539517Be careful, jannies can and will ban you for daring to question tailspedos. There is a legit and very apparent bias and favoritism towards tailsfags. Just dont feed them, ignore. Worst case they reply to themselves. Literally nothing else can be done about them.
>>538539647For being such a shipping obsessed general, Silvaze seems to be the only ship that is outrightly hated here but while every other ship do not
Does Tails copiously make out with Sonic as well? Is that what we are saying now?
>Silver fans like Blaze but Blaze fans don't like SilverSonic Team turned Blaze into an accessory to his arc and character. It's a one-sided relationship where Silver has everyting to do with Blaze but Blaze has nothing to do with Blaze.
>>538539906And that is good and deserved
>>538539176She looks like she is designed to have babymaking sex with Sonic that night.
>>538539971Don't fucking put your shit opinion as something general fag, I love both.
>>538539971*Blaze has nothing to do with Silver
>>538539195>Tails is supposed to be a humorous, goofy, and fun-loving character at his coreSince whenTails has never had a funny moment, unless it was at his expense. He's the tag-along kid.
>>538539971And the moments Silver gets focus away from Blaze, they also throw a fit because she's not included
>>538540098>I love bothYeah well a lot of people think their entire relationship is stupid and don't like Silver because he is impossible to like unless you like their relationship.
>>538539195>Maekawa started this rot by making him a super genius on par with Eggman,Meanwhile in Sonic the Fighters:
Aaaaahhh he's so cute and cool and nice and his voice is amazing! I love him
>>538540147Tails is a cartoony fun character like the other classic characters. He's cute and fun
>>538540339You really think people can't like Silver without Blaze?We have whole community that makes Silver vs Sage Future fanart and fangame. Eat a dick Blazeshitter
>>538539295>but no Silverfags complains about Blaze ruin SilverYes we do. Silver is bad for both characters because it makes Silver a helpless baby and Blaze into his bland nanny.
>>538538795Source?
I'm starting to hate Tails.
Tails is bossing Sonic around and telling him to get serious in a not super serious situation. Tails already knows that Sonic knows the Chaos Emeralds are somewhat important and he has probably been sitting there playing with olives for several minutes.It is OOC if you even think about considering the games as canon.you all are just angry the anon compared Tails to Sally.
>>538539971They had to push the fan favorite somewhere in the story, it's the same thing that happened with Cream and heroes, yet for how shit the game was, Blaze is better off being next to Sonic, and Silver is better off being away from her.
>>538540565I like how Sonic and Tails are serious in Unleashed compared to the more comic relief characters Chip and Pickle lolIt feels weird when Colors makes them the main source of humor
>>538540587>we have whole community that makes Silver vs Sage Future fanart and fangame.oh pls, its called a fad retard, it will be dead in a month
>>538539971>posters want to make a character fans fight eachother.As a blazefag, Silver and blaze are fine, and their friendly relationship is fine, what is not fine, was how halfassed sega explanation was about blaze actually being from the future just to be teleported in the sol dimension when it was created as a retcon.Doesn't help, blaze and eggman nega have confusing origins depending on the game.People bitching about are just rush radical fans.
>>538540640Why?
>>538540147You don't understand Tails' original characterization.https://youtu.be/02u3tDkkez8?sihttps://youtu.be/xGhblIJfpZ4?si>>538539517You don't like Sonic.
>>538540948Either you have one or you don't. Which is it?
>>538540892Undeniable proof that Silver is cooler without her and that your shipbrain agenda is just too faulty.
>>538540339Nah, their frienship, is cool to me, shipping fags are the main problem, shipperfags are a general problem, not just for certain characters.
I know "darn..." is nothing bad, but it irks me that Tails said it in Crossworlds ONT half the time he did badly in a lap. What the fuck, is he auditioning for Team Fortress 3 Engineer? Will we get a hardhat Tails skin? Cowboy hat should be for Knuckles. Why not "oh, no" or some vague groan, or something more verbose?
>>538540892So you want it dead out of spite because you can't handle Silver having something of his own away from Blaze
>>538541047Sorry wrong reply
Evan wrote naggy Sally Tails earlier in the comic.
^-^
>>538541190Oh. Carry on then
>>538541173its going to die because no one actually cares about silver that much, not because i want it to die
>>538540204Yeah wtf is up with that? though they'd be happy they got nega back? what do they want really?
>>538541221This isn't really nagging Sonic promised to do something with him and he wants him to honour his promise>>538541025>AoStH
Evan saved Amy but needed someone else to be a nag.Remember she is the one mostly responsible for Lanolin.
I think Sonic should be like the California Raisins.I think Tails should be a yellow iPad baby.I think Knuckles should be chained to his cuckrock.I think Eggman works best as a loving father. I think Amy deserves to be a girlboss.I think Silver is best written as uwuver.I think Shadow should go through his origin story 4 more times at least.And, I think Metal Sonic should job more.
>>538541221It's okay Tails I'll play with you if Sonic is busy he will join us later
>>538539971>we literally had a trend of people wanting silver on a solo epic action adventure in the actual future, with no blaze involved.>b-but silver can't be relevant if they are not associated with blaze.This place needs to start looking at other parts of the internet, besides this place, because this place really fog people's minds.
>>538541221Tails shouldn't be a nag who tries to anchor Sonic.
>>538541276Not a Silverfag, but this shit has grown way too much that i doubt it, sure it might get ignored soon, but it would be remembered as the Sonic community being good, and that's heavy name for us.
>"Uuuuuuuuuuu... Tangle ate all MY cookies.. WHY?!">"Ms. Whisper, there's still-">"Lanolin was supposed to protect my snacksies from her, uuuuuuu...">"...twenty cookies left in the jar.">"But... *sniffles* Tangle ate all the strawberry ones, and I wanted strawbeeerrryyyyy..!"
>>538541276I think (you) don't care about Silver that much
>>538541221>>538541542Apparently no one here fucking play the actual games since sonic unleashed.
>>538541579it will be forgotten just like every other fad this series has had
Why are you calling Tails a nag in the pre-Pontaff games?Lady Sparky is only complaining about Tails being a nag in IDW.
>>538541663I don't touch Boost. That's an entirely fair point to have. There's no point in playing the games if they dont appeal to me.
>>538541663Honestly the last time in the games Tails could be seen as a "nag" in any capacity was in like Lost World
>>538541770Which is the most OOC he's ever been in the games
>>538541460These people think Silver is nothing without Blaze which is not trueAnd they can't be happy when he's not with Blaze
>>538539971>Silver has everything to do with BlazeYou guys can't be real
>>538541770Evan writes lost world tails.
>>538540640He's never dismissed the comparison and he's made art of Lanolin getting Sally's outfit(this isn't it but it's inspired by it.)
>>538541826Silver is nothing whether Blaze is there or not
sonic characters for this feel?
>>538541884She doesn't>>538541819I know but it's been 12 years
>>538541691Never saw a fad like this, best one is Nicole x Sally, and these fucks got vaulted yet are still around as a "canon" ship.
>>538541868>>538541460Yeah I don't get people from this place, is like they are living on a different realm.
>>538541995She is writing tails annoyed at Sonic's basic behavior
>>538541995Yes, you're right
>>538541962Whether who is there or not?
>>538542078Examples? Because this >>538541221 isn't nagging
>>538541663>Comic and tv fags ruined the fandom.More news at 9.
>>538542052How many "realms" would you say there are in the Sonic fandom? Does anybody have any idea?
>>538542208>>538537694
There is no hype for Crossworlds outside here and going by this thread, not even here. Good
>>538542052They want Blaze to get all this love and attention but not SilverMake your own Blaze fanart and fangame then, not our faulth people don't care
>>538542318Who the fuck gets hype for low budget kart racers?
>>538542318I'm excited for it, just not talking much on it as there's little to discuss other than characters, and we all know how that goes here.
Why doesn't Sonic just go and steal the Chaos Emerald?
>>538542463Sonic fans
O B E YU S EM E
>>538542291I think there are more than any of us can actually imagine. Even things that are accepted as universal truths here are completely absent in other "realms"
>>538542570Is that a fucking echidna in the second panel!? INFORM SONIC TEAM AT ONCE
Hyper Sonic isn’t canon because…. IT JUST ISN’T
>>538542709The orange one? Echidnas don't have ears.
Holy shit this faggottron legit hates silver because he is a sonazetranny. Xe also seethes at Amy lmao
>>538542570becuz steelin iz rong
>>538541868>>538542052At least we had really cool art, and I hope that trends doesn't stop, at least form a time.>>538542291Nta but, I don't know, how many sonic alternate universes this franchise have?1. Aosth2. Satam3. Underground4. Sonic x5. Fleetwood6. Archie7. Idw (although this one is supposed to be on the game universe)8. Movies universe9.those French comic with an echidna princess10. The manga with lizards11. The shogakukkan manga13. The comedic manga with sonic passing on a hill.14. The sonic ova.That's the ones I can think of.
>>538542812Why are you under the impression that A.) Sonic has a consistent canonand B.) That it would matter even if it did
>>538542836Why doesn't Xe posts some good Sonaze?
Do we like Update 3 Cyberspace stages?
>>538542709>>538542813
>>538542813Where do you see ears? Those are her bangs.
>>538542812It isn't canon. The Egg Robo only rises at the end of the Super Sonic ending, which leads into Knuckles' campaign where he fights the Egg Robo. The Hyper Sonic ending only has a generic congratulations screen https://youtu.be/X3Gsy6GAtvM?si=BzDdTMYZl_LBHFb1
>>538543086I do
>>538543086Update 3 didn't remove boost, so it's still fucking trash.
>>538543168PLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAPPLAP
>>538543043Yeah, not even the games are consistent about humans, the sol dimension and silver future, no to mention the whole shit with eggman nega.Shadow was supposed to be a gerald experiment entirely, but the shadow game reconnected stuff to make shadow half alien thanks to the black arms.
>>538543086I don't like Cyberspace anything. I don't like Frontiers.
>>538542709>>538543168Anon was looking at the wrong panel.
>>538543235Why were you expecting such a fundamental change from an update?
The more the Tailstroon keeps talking about how they want Tails depicted, the more I realize this faggot doesn't even like Tails to begin with and just wants them to be Sonic-lite but smart. No wonder the troon used AI to argue with Sparky. They can't actually debate with other Tailsfags without resorting to using it because them come across as a schizophrenic non-fan who refuses to pay attention to anything in the franchise that suggests otherwise.
>>538541906I've heard in his streams that he thinks it's silly that people see her as Sally and that anyone pushing it just wants her back. Of course this is just relaying what can't be proven except by asking him ourselves
>>538543406Buddy do you seriously want Evan's Tails who does not even like baseline Sonic?
>>538542463It plays surprisingly well, genuinely would say feels better than Mario Kart 8 so far.
>>538543309GET PREGNANT
>>538543479The troon doesn't even like Tails when he was written well. They claim all of his major writers wrote him wrong and when you try to pressure him into admitting who he thinks wrote him the most correct they give some nebulous non-answer about how he was written in the classic games which is a bullshit answer because Tails in the classic games was barely written about outside of a few paragraphs between manuals. Tailstroon doesn't even accept Sonic the Fighters or Sonic R stuff as canon because it immediately disproves their claim that Tails wasn't a gear head before SA1 which is an easily proven false claim.
>>538543008I love how much weight sonic has a a character in the main universe.Like elise confusing sonic with silver. Or people confusing sonic with shadow while shadow himself was originally superconfused about what the fuck sonic even is as a being in the adventure games.I love too how many sonic doppelgangers have an imposter syndrome/low self esteem/inferiority complex when they compare to sonic.He's just that cool.
>>538543669Its fun sure, but its not anything I'd play for hours on end.
>>538543342Why? I get not liking Frontiers and Cyberspace but Update 3 is doing its own thing with the level design. It's way less automated and more focused on 3D platforming
>>538543406They unironically swallow the sparkypill without thinking is just his fanfiction because he self insert as tailsI dont blame them I blame people like sparky that saw themselves on tails
>>538543406You're the one who doesn't like Tails. You're defending the character assassination that turned him into a nagging bitch who just sits on his ass and complains about Sonic acting how he always does. Goofing around, being a fun-loving adventurer, like the wind.I want the Tails who was a friendly rival to Sonic, an action character who could keep up. The one who competed with Sonic for fun and brought out the best in him.
>>538543398No. I merely answered the question.
>>538543406Are you actually brain-dead? You're so wrapped up in trying to own some rando on the internet that you can't even see the point they're accidentally making.IDW is ruining Tails. Evan Stanley has been ruining Tails since she first got her grubby hands on the character. He's the one who turned Sonic's cool little brother into a whiny, insecure nerd who builds useless crap and cries about his "trauma." The kid used to be a little badass who could fly a biplane and build a submarine. Now he gets mad when Sonic goofs off looking for the Chaos Emeralds something he should be used to because he looks for Chaos Emeralds with Sonic all the time.Just like her hideous Tumblr artstyle, I bet she learned to understand Tails's character by reading Tumblr blogs rather than playing the games and reading Sonic Channel.
>>538543956So you should judge it on its own terms
>>538543958Evan is an Archie alumni. They know Sonic more from Archie than the actual games.
>>538505791Whatever happened to Slick?
>>538543773What hard-core image lad, thanks for posting it.
>>538543768You're missing the point while you slap-fight. Who cares what some trans person thinks? Evan Stanley is the one actively turning Tails into a woke, whiny, no nonsense guy right now. Her garbage writing is the real problem, not some imageboard argument.
>>538544071I refuse.
>>538544337Why?
Evan will try to make Tails the new Lanolin.
>>538543924I'll ask this question again then.Who do you think wrote Tails the best and most accurate way possible?>>538543958Tailstroon doesn't like anyone who has written Tails since SA1. Evan isn't even the one who started the character assassination of him in the comics. That's been an obvious case since Archie itself fucking started and the only character that was even relatively close to writing Tails accurately in the comic was ironically Penders but he barely even focused on him and instead just made him a generic "war orphan child prodigy" type. The moment Ian got his hands on him, he fucked him over in characterization and story progression on several levels so don't even try to make this about Evan specifically. What happened/is happening in the comics is an entirely different argument from what I'm making here which is that Tailstroon doesn't like any character depiction of Tails whatsoever and their entire idea for Tails is almost 100% fucking headcanon because the refuse to adapt anything that's actually shown about the character in any media of this franchise to him.
>>538543924>>538543958>>538544328I don't like how Evan writes Tails either but stop exaggerating
>>538544424Because the simple addition of Boost ruins the game. You can polish a turd, but a turd it remains. Its a fundamental gameplay mechanic I despise, so why SHOULD I engage with it?
>>538543309Anon! What have we said about getting too attacks to background OCs? You get Lanolins! Down, boy, DOWN!!
ScourgeTikal
>>538544328No the point I want to make is that the troon doesn't like ANY canon depiction of Tails and their only reason for liking him is because he's an easy to self-insert character for their retarded AU.
>>538543773why isn't silver in the image?
>>538543743Is that when men really think when they're having sex with you?
>>538544454The difference will be that Lanolin is actually capable of improvement while Tails will repeat he's wildly inconsistent ad-nauseum but never ever improve.
>>538544629/sthg/ despises IDW and yet they still engage with it. Why can't you do the same with Update 3 Cyberspace?
>>538544850no, we usually aren't thinking at all
>>538543773What the fuck sonic even is?She's a cartoon hedgehog, that has the power to kill eldritch horror monsters, gods and killing machines capable of destroying a planet.Angel island had mural about a hedehog fighting a massive robot. While the abstract concept of death wants to kill him.She's a key character involving silver future, while even other dimensions like the sol dimension habe a close reaction to sonic worlds thank to himEven magical realms like the 1 thousands nights and Avalon in the arthurian legends summon him as an actual force of nature, with powerful skills.
>>538544956/sthg/ is retarded.
>>538544956Because I'm a little less retarded than the braindead retards here. Not by much, but enough to not stomach shit I don't like. If I dont like something, I will not play it. I haven't played a single mainline Sonic game since they introduced Boost.
>>538544537>Who do you think wrote Tails the best and most accurate way possible?Judy Totoya is the original writer for Tails so obviously the best person to write him.Failing that, Mayori Sekijima and Masashi Kubota are great Tails writers as shown by their writing for the OVA. Akinori Nishiyama is the best writer for Tails for the games.I enjoy Tails' depictions in AoSTH and SatAM.
>>538544945Ian's fanfiction is irrelevant
>>538544850>ywn have a man shout "GET PREGNANT" at the top of their lungs right before he's about to cum
>>538545097The IDW haters literally announced their departure from /sthg/ at least a dozen threads ago.
>>538545062>>538543773you guys are so cringe...
>>538545194This is Stanley.
>>538544731Silver is not obsessed with sonic as every single doppelganger on the image, even of he's technically a doppelganger too.In story he's just an average joe that happens to look like a hedgehog.Telekinethic powers were supposed to me comon in the future too, bit sege never tried to gave us more info about it.
>>538545261The "wildly inconsistent" line you mentioned came from Ian and the dialogue for that scene is completely different in Japanese
>>538545125Why boost specifically? 3D Sonic games already had way worse things like the homing attack and dash panels. The boost is nowhere near as bad as those things.
>>538545217then why are they still clearly here motherfucker
>>538545217Arigatourigatou
>>538543958>I bet she learned to understand Tails's character by reading Tumblr blogs rather than playing the games and reading Sonic Channel.Tails was written a nerd and target for bullying way before Evan Stanley.
>>538545097We know.
>>538545191Oh so you just straight up fucking admit that your favorite depictions of him are mostly non-canon shit. At least I got you to admit that.Outside of Judy (who only wrote a few paragraphs on how he should be/act) everything else to you is a mistake or non-canon even when you are given literal examples of him being a gear-head first and Sonic's lil bro second with adventuring being something he has to push himself into. Hell even SATAM had him acting like this at times.You don't like Tails as a character entirely. You just made up most of your bullshit about him.
>>538543773Sonic is the coolest dude in his universe, hes the embodiment of cool.>>538545062He's the main character so, sonic being super important is a no Brainer.
>>538545549I don't understand most of this
>>538545549What happened to the /sthg/ mansion?
>>538545387It's a run button. Holding the button down for instant speed is completely antithetical to Sonic's core game philosophy of earned momentum. Boost pads and homing attack chains are very minor in comparison to a button that makes you barrel through a bunch of trash mobs that add nothing. Boost is the complete and utter death of any sort of challenge and offer nothing to the gameplay. If you want Boost, do it like in Rush, where at least you do cool tricks to earn meter.
BRING ME LANCELOT
>>538545549I love this franchise, but this pic is legit talking about the fandom alone.
>>538526612>Silver opBased. >Shadow fatigue shitter seethed immediatelyDouble based.
>>538545452But he was not a nag
>>538545781We still live there we just got kicked out of the fancy school for assigning people ocs
>>538545841>People wanting to make lanolin cool>when shes the most pathetic being in the universe, along tangle and whisper.Pic related is accurate lanolin.
>>538544850For me, what I feel when I'm close is this sudden deep-rooted drive to 'mark my territory' if that makes sense.
>>538545841BRING ME NEFERATA'S HEAD
Could you yourself beat up Lanolin? If you are both unarmed?
>Just stops responding and ignores my post the moment he can't counter argument.You can't debate anyone who isn't significantly mentally handicapped and that's kind of hilarious.
>>538546204Am I allowed to have protag privileges or am i going in there with my normal strength
>>538545784>Holding the button down for instant speed is completely antithetical to Sonic's core game philosophy of earned momentumDash panels already give you free speed and they are always placed near loops and uphill slopes so the boost hardly makes that any worse.>homing attack chains are very minor in comparison How? They replace platforming with mashing a single button>If you want Boost, do it like in Rush, where at least you do cool tricks to earn meter.I think Colors does meter management pretty well, especially with Egg Shuttle.
>>538546249Honestly astonishing you weren't banned for challenging his opinion considering how the jannies favor them
>>538546339Neither of you have protag privileges.
>>538546401I'd beat her ass for sure then.
>>538545579I never claimed to be a 'canon purist'. I could care little for what is 'canon' by SEGA's whims. I care about good writing and characterization.The OVA and SatAM are some of my favorite Sonic stories, and notably in them, Tails is a fun goofy character who is inspired by Sonic and likes going on adventures with him. Consistent with his original characterization as conceived by Judy Totoya.The OVA served as a template for the first adventure game and many elements from it would later be recycled for usage there. I.e. Knuckles being a treasure hunter. I find it strange that you take issue with the OVA on grounds of it being 'non canon' when it was the first attempt at a faithful SEGASonic animated adaptation during the classic era.SatAM's Tails wants to prove himself. He wants to be taken seriously by those around him and to go on adventures with Sonic. During Season 2's second half, he begins to blossom into a hero within his own right and earns the respect of Sonic and Sally. This is good writing for Tails.I love Tails as a character. Miles Prower is one of my favorite Sonic characters. The insinuation that I don't like Tails is, quite frankly, laughable.
>>538546204>She doesn't have actual powers while shes a womanlet, and a newbie in literally everything.I don't have to beat up her, I just need to lift her up,
>>538546105>Now I will tell you a story. About a mother and a little boy who lived alone in a cabin in the dark woods. There was a monster in the woods, but the mother caught it and kept it locked in the basement. The monster always made scary noises at night, but the mother would tell the boy not to worry because it could never get out. Then she would sing the boy a lullaby to sleep. One day, the monster stopped growling and instead, listened and learned the lullaby. The next day when the mother went out to find food, the monster sang the lullaby from the basement. The little boy heard the lullaby and opened the door.
>>538546569https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dNKYQVJio
>>538544629The way the boost in Frontiers works is completely different from the way the boost in Unleashed through Forces works. They are not the same mechanic
>>538546204She's a nobody with no powers, if shes not using her wisp, she's toasted.
>>538546390>Dash panels already give you free speed and they are always placed near loops and uphill slopes so the boost hardly makes that any worse.I agree that dash panels were a bandaid to an issue that never needed fixing. If I could remove them I would. But they're so minor in comparison. I can ignore them and fly through the levels through a bunch of different paths. >How? They replace platforming with mashing a single buttonThe way they built them into the levels is an accent, not a detractor. You still have plenty of platforming outside the few times you do those chains. In comparison, you have boost, which got so bad you can complete Forces levels one fucking handed.
>>538546105>people like the concept but not how it was handled officiallyShould sound familiar to any Sonic fan
>>538546249NTA but sometimes you have someone so broken and braindamaged that debating isn't even productive.
>>538546705THE MIMICCCCC
>>538546772It's still fucking complete trash. I don't care what flavor shit is if its still shit
>>538545784>Boost is the complete and utter death of any sort of challenge and offer nothing to the gameplayUnleashed is the hardest Sonic game
>>538547058I'm sorry you believe so.
>>538545062>>538543773He's just a guy that love adventures.
>>538547058>Unleashed is the hardest Sonic game
>>538547058You could have said most beautiful, and no one would have questioned you. But this?
>>538546541Totoya was one of the people on ST at the time that literally gave them the idea to develop him into a gear head and someone who works on gadget and technology in workshops. This is most abundantly evident and clear by Sonic the Fighters which precisely falls into classic territory which by your own logic is his "original" depiction of him.OVA is non-canon for multiple reasons, namely that the world that it operates in and the rules the characters follow for themselves were later scrapped entirely when developing SA1.SATAM Tails, as I said, also has moments where Tails is clearly meant to be less adventurous and 'goofy' than Sonic is especially in the later episodes.This isn't about what (You) personally take and consider as canon because you've argued stricktly against that from the beginning and yet when pressured to give a clear idea of what you think Tails is supposed to be you claim him to be a very specific early 90's depiction of the character that existed at most for like 2 years and was later scrapped because it doesn't fit well within a world that takes things slightly more seriously than Saturday morning cartoon shows. You actively want to take character traits away from him that you mistakenly think aren't for him even though these traits were given to him by ST themselves before SA1 was even an idea.If you want a goofy side-kick character for Sonic then just make a different character. Tails isn't that and he hasn't been that since 1996 at the latest.If I'm going to be an armchair psychologist for a moment, I'd say you're so tunnel-visioned and locked onto fusing Amy and Tails into one character that you're actively ignoring both traits of both characters and making them worse just to make it happen. Your idea for what and who Tails is, is demonstrably not anywhere near what Tails is actually depicted as in the vast majority of what this franchise wants him to be.You don't like Tails. You may like his design but that's it.
>>538543773muralGODS
>>538546204She's strong enough that she can defend herself without hitting back at an enraged Whisper in CQC, who is fast enough to almost stab Surge to death without her wispon, so she wipes 90% of this general easily.
>>538547058>Unleashed is the hardest Sonic gamenot even eggmanland with his dogshit design lil bro
>>538546842>I can ignore them and fly through the levels through a bunch of different paths.Yeah but the level designers will still use them as a crutch and you don't have to think about your speed thanks to dash panels.>You still have plenty of platforming outside the few times you do those chains.Not really. Platforming is surprisingly pretty rare in 3D Sonic games. Thanks to the homing attack you can skip the platforming when enemies are present in platforming sections.
>>538547514The insinuation that I don't like Tails is, quite frankly, laughable. I hate what hacks like Stanley have turned him into.You're missing the point. Being a mechanic isn't the problem. The issue is turning him into a passive tactician who holds a tablet and nags Sonic from the sidelines. That's not Tails, that's Sally Acorn. He's supposed to be a hero inspired by the wind, not a handler trying to anchor it.My original point, which you clearly missed, was that Stanley writes him as an anti-wind sally-clone. Taking a hero who used to compete with Sonic and turning him into a pathetic damsel who needs saving is character assassination. Stop projecting your weird ideas onto me and learn to read.
>>538547039Your stated reason for why the boost is bad is that it gives invincibility>a button that makes you barrel through a bunch of trash mobs that add nothing...which is not what it does in FrontiersYou also complained about the boost in Unleashed moving you forward by itself>boost, which got so bad you can complete Forces levels one fucking handed....which it doesn't do in Frontiers. You need to hold the direction you want, pressing the button does nothingYou're also not getting the S ranks and collectibles one-handed
>>538547514She understands Tails more than Flynn or Stanley.
>>538547579You're seriously using the whisper cqc excuse when every single poster here tought it was the most retarded scenario ever created?
>>538546705He left Lanolin on her kart in utter shock Meanwhile this fucker
>>538547579We said no protagonist powers, that was bullshit
>>538547579No one here thinks that panel makes sense in the slightest.
>>538547205>>538547316>>538547404>>538547702Post screenshots of your S ranks in the DLC stages. Or even just something like Dragon Road.Oh wait, you can't because you refuse to play the game because "muh boost to win".>eggmanland with his dogshit designLearn English and get good at the game-
>>538548175okay champ
>>538547514>If you want a goofy side-kick character for Sonic then just make a different character. Tails isn't that and he hasn't been that since 1996 at the latest."1996 at the latest"? Did you even play the games?In Adventure, he steps up to save Station Square on his own. In Adventure 2, he's piloting the Cyclone and fighting Eggman directly. He's a playable speedster in Advance 2 who keeps up with Sonic just fine. He's a competitor in Riders, not a pit crew chief.He was an active hero inspired by Sonic. The rot started when Maekawa made him a super genius and hacks like Stanley and Flynn turned him into a passive sally-clone who just whines from the sidelines. He's meant to be a hero, not a handler.
>>538547837>Learn to read.That's funny coming from you since I literally addressed your original point in tandem right here >>538544537 and frankly I don't give a shit about arguing that because that problem started the moment the comics started to be written since Tails in Archie never acted like Tails in SATAM to begin with.If you're going to gish-gallop at least make sure you're not doing it with an opinion and point that I already clearly and pointedly addressed earlier.The point I'm trying to elucidate here is that your bearings for what and who Tails is supposed to be has no basis in any realm of this franchise outside of an extremely temporary and now very outdated version of the franchise that didn't last for more than 2 or 3 years.You don't like how Tails is written even in the majority of cases because you want him to be like Amy and constantly follow Sonic everywhere that hasn't been the main operational driving force behind Tails' characters since the mid 90's.You learn to read and then after you're done learning maybe you can take some courses on how to actually have a proper debate and formulate arguments that isn't you just constantly backpedaling and shoving your foot in your mouth because you don't bother reading the entire argument against you.>>538547942Brother in Christ, Pontaff understands Tails more than those bozos. That's not the point of this argument. I genuinely just want to see if this guy can actually handle a debate with someone who doesn't have an IQ below 70 and he genuinely seems to be struggling even formulating a defense for himself because he has to ping-pong his points off me while ignoring what I'm saying.
>>538547579>whisper was supposed to be an actual war veteran>lanolin bitch slapped her just because the plot demanded it, when shes just a civil with no training.Boy, how much I hated that issue, lanolin shittin on silver to make him look bad was the cherry on the cake.
>>538546946Rip?>>538548078>implied to have chased down the vankek
Eggmanland is the best final level and it isn't up for debate.No other level has so many death traps and puzzles.
Sonic and Tails aren't rivals. Tails was always a super genius. Maekawa did nothing wrong. The Miles Electric is a good addition. Tails can make plans. Tails can do both physical action and tech stuff.
>>538548757I like Titanic Monarch more
My name is Eggman, I made the Tinkerer.
>>538548757I love that level, at the time eggmanland as an actual level, was the biggest hype deal ever.Even the name of the theme was badass: crimson carnival
>>538548437Maekawa helped write SA1 and SA2, he barely even writes Tails at all actually. Do you guys even fucking double-check what you're arguing about and stating or do you seriously just pull statements out of your ass?>The rot started when Maekawa made him a super genius TAILS LITERALLY BUILDS HIS OWN PERSONAL FUCKING ROCKET IN SONIC THE FIGHTERS AND BUILT HIS KART IN SONIC RWhat the fuck are you saying? That shit happened before Maekawa was even in the fucking dev team. Oh my god you people are actually retarded.
>>538547404What do you think is the hardest Sonic game then?
boob in my owski
was this in character
I THINK SILVER SUCKS
>>538548138Whisper was only a veteran for 6 months max and barely would've ever fought in cqc, but you're all so set on choking her non-existent dick that you never even think of that. The real retort would be that beating Whisper isn't actually impressive at all, but everyone subscribes to the stupid fanfic narrative that she's this huge war veteran with infinite experience instead of the reality that's less experienced than fucking Rouge.>>538548635She was talking about Silver not being used to a chain of command, not that she's "stronger" than Silver. Besides if you're going to Silversperg I'll just point out that your beloved Whisper was the one who actually fucked his ass. She knew he was right, Lanolin didn't, yet she also votes him out. And your bunch's blind retardation allowed it to happen AGAIN in 79 by not begging to divorce him from her fast enough because apparently you didn't get the memo the writers are chickenshit and bow down.
>>538548973Holy shit.
>>538548757Forgot pic
>>538548973You're retarded.Maekawa didn't write SA1, that was Akinori Nishiyama. Maekawa had some minor design roles, but his first writing credit was Sonic Adventure 2. That's when he put Tails in a mech and the rot began.The issue isn't that Tails is smart, he always built his own shit. The issue is that Maekawa flanderized him into only being the tech guy. He killed the action character and friendly rival from the classic era and SA1. Now he just sits on his ass and builds things for Sonic.This is too low-IQ of a conversation to continue. You don't even know who wrote the games you're arguing about.
>>538549149Rouge is highly experienced though.
>>538548757I don't know, Final fortress on sonic heroes was spectacular too.The palace level on secret rings, the last story on adventure 2, the black comet and specially terminal velocity are on the same levels of hype.
>>538549073>how the bae looks at me when i pull up to her crib with 500 cigarettes(i will have to get more in three hours)
Why are the worst writers the ones given the most writing jobs with Sonic?At least get Barnes and Gigi, they at least get what a story is more
>>538548652There's a mod for unleashed in reference to how fast it moves it did chase down that van
>>538549307>The issue is that Maekawa flanderized him into only being the tech guy.Never happened.>friendly rivalTails was never a rival.
lol
>>538549073
>>538547579Everyone thought it was the most stupid scenario when lanolin was barely trained.
>>538549563Rouge should be shadow too
>>538549601i liked it because it really solidifies how pathetic whisper is
OMG
>>538549307When and how does Maekawa flanderize him?>SA2He's adventurous and actively goes out of his way to be so.>HeroesHe literally drags Sonic along with a save-the-world adventure that Sonic was not previously privy about.>06Tails barely has any dialogue here>Secret RingsTails literally isn't even in here, an AU version of him is.>Zero GravityContinuation of his character role in Riders.>Black KnightSame thing with Secret RingsTell me, when does Maekawa write Tails OOC for you, you're claiming I'm the retard here but I'm having an extremely difficult time figuring out when the fuck this happens because it seems like you're just blowing hot air up my ass.>You're retarded.Excuse me? You seem to be the one genuinely confused as to who did what here. I put down "help write SA1" when I meant to say "designed" but mistyped.
BRRRRRRRR WRRRRRRRRR
>>538549149No one here thinks whisper is cool anon, what are you up to? In fact everyone agreed both are pathetic and lame.Don't be a characterfag.
>>538549745>Akira but no Jackyfake
>>538549307>Maekawa flanderized him into only being the tech guyThis never happens. Play Sonic Heroes.
>>538549507>hacking ring count instead of replayingNGMI
>>538549745Nah, I don't belive it, where's your source?>using toys for bob lame ass crash designs God, I wish this is fake.
>>538549925Sonic Heroes is a less serious game
>>538536812In ninja lights Ice Cap, It looks like there’s a pink light coming from inside the caves and illuminating Sonic’s model. That looks nice.
>>538549519>Tails was never a rival.This is the most historically illiterate take I've ever seen. The entire reason Tails exists is because Yuji Naka wanted a 2-player versus mode in Sonic 2, something he couldn't fit into the first game. Judy Totoya, Tails' actual designer, has stated this multiple times. "In the second game, when a 2 player mode was confirmed, the American staff came up with many ideas for the character, but the programmer, Naka-san, said he wanted a “1.5” player character that could be played with his sister and that could be handled by beginners. The character was not a rival, but a sidekick."The "not a rival" part there means "not an antagonist" like Knuckles. They were designed to race each other for fun. He's a friendly rival, someone to compete with. That's the entire basis of the 2P versus mode.>never happenedIt absolutely happened. Pre-Maekawa, Tails was an action character who happened to be a tinkerer. He raced Sonic, he went on his own adventures. Maekawa took over for SA2 and immediately stuck him in a mech full-time. After that, he became Sonic's glorified tech support, a walking talking PDA who rarely gets his hands dirty. They killed the character Totoya and Naka created and replaced him with a boring nerd.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3--KA85p_zEhttps://sonic-city.net/2022/11/22/sonic-2-character-designer-shares-interesting-tidbits-about-tails-super-sonic-mecha-sonic-and-more/
>>538549149No one likes your loose sheep excuse of a character, whisper is no better, she sucks as much, it's like comparing two different turds.
>>538549745>SticksThat girl is long gone>Elise in the top rightC'mon now>the Ray fan-render with the gogglesLazyGet back to the drawing board
>>538550113Tails spends the entire game actively adventuring without his gadgets and every other game Maekawa writes for afterwards barely has any focus on Tails at all so you can't even claim he flanderized him into anything.
>>538549478Anon, did she relapse again? She keeps saying she'll quit.>>538549565hubba-hubba...
>>538549874>No one here thinks Whisper is coolYou say that yet Silver is in this situation entirely because his retarded fandom did entirely let her off the hook because she's cool to them. Doesn't even matter if most of it was outside of here. Silverfags deserved 79 for being complacent retards who were blessed enough to get the writers attention, and immediately wasted it by tunnel-visioning themselves into only seeing the lesser half of their own problem.
>>538549745>that dusty ass Beat render
>>538549773>>06>Tails barely has any dialogue hereAt the beginning of the game he asks Sonic if he can help, Sonic responds that he values his helps and that things will be easy thanks to him. When Sonic is absent Tails hears that Elise is with Eggman. People in Soleanna ask him to go look for Elise and Tails decides on his own to run after the Egg Carrier. Tails eavesdrops on Eggman's conversation with Elise, goes back to Soleanna and informs Sonic that Eggman is going to Kingdom Valley. At the end of the game Tails is one of the characters that retrieve the Chaos Emeralds to revive SonicIt's not much, but literally every single minor thing he does in the story destroys Violet arguments
>>538549745Nigger Doom is in
>bestie
>>538550263>Developer literally says he's not a rival for Sonic>"Actually what they meant by not a rival is this..."......Are you actually insane?>Maekawa took over for SA2 and immediately stuck him in a mech full-time.This literally never fucking happens.I can't tell if your trolling or if you're actually this stupid. Genuinely I can't tell. I want to believe you're smart enough to realize the internal contradictions of logic here because of how obvious they are but this is the same place that has people like Slashy, Sparky and Krack so it's not out of the realm of impossibility that you are just straight up this media illiterate.
>>538549507>Woah this guy faster than Sonic!
>>538550263The "not a rival" part there means "not a rival". Tails is an action hero in all the games Maekawa wrote that include him.
>>538549565That's one delicious lookin' dish.
>>538549745Too bad this is fake>Surge but not KitMaybe I should be relieved that this is fake actually
I'm beginning to realize Violet hasn't played barely any Sonic games and mostly just consumes side material stuff. They don't know what happens in Heroes, 06, Secret Rings, Black Knight, Unleashed or the majority of other Sonic games.They do know an awful lot about SATAM and the comics though.
>>538550665The absolute state of your reading comprehension. Are you deliberately being this obtuse?>Developer literally says he's not a rival for SonicYes, you fucking moron. In the context of Japanese game development, a "rival" is an antagonist. He's not an enemy like Knuckles or Shadow. He's a friendly competitor. The entire reason he was created was for the 2-player versus mode so you could race your friends. Is your brain too smooth to grasp this simple concept?>Maekawa took over for SA2 and immediately stuck him in a mech full-time. This literally never fucking happens."Name a single on-foot gameplay stage for Tails in Sonic Adventure 2. You can't. His entire gameplay loop is the Cyclone. He went from racing Sonic on foot in SA1 to being a slow, clunky mech pilot. That is the definition of being stuck in a mech. Maekawa took the tinkerer aspect and made it his entire personality, killing the action hero.You're the one who's media illiterate. Stop getting your opinions from wikis and actually play the games before you try to argue about them.
>tails should be a rival to sonic/sthg/ is entering new levels of autism that should not be possible
>>538550697Casually grabbing a collectable off Sonic actively rotting corpes
>>538551119What IDW obsession does to a mf
>>538551046Maekawa worked on more games past SA2. Tails being in a mech doesn't make him not an action oriented character either. You should actually play Sonic games sometimes.
>>538549874>i never said shit about silver the fuck are you talking about him?
>>538551029Wrong. I grew up with the classics, the adventure games, Colors, Lost World, and even Sonic 06. I know exactly what happens in all of them.I've watched all of Black Knight's cutscenes, it's an enjoyable story but lacking in Sonic chaaracters besides the main man himself. Secret Rings is completely irrelevant and not worth discussing.You're confusing my knowledge of side material with ignorance of the games. I talk about SatAM and the old comics because they actually understood Sonic as a character, the "windnic" ideal that came from the Japanese creators. The games you listed are mostly Maekawa's fanfiction that strayed further and further from what Sonic was supposed to be. Maybe if you understood the character's history, you'd get it.
I sent a question to Evan Stanley's Tumblr a week ago asking if Lunar was based on that one "I don't have pronouns" joke video, and I didn't get an answer. I think that proves the answer is yes.
>>538551119That's one person, not representative of /sthg/ as a whole
>>538551394Heroes is the worst offender. Maekawa makes him scared of ghosts, a complete fabrication. His creator, Judy Totoya, established his canon fear is lightning. It's character assassination.And what about the storybook games Maekawa wrote? In Black Knight, Tails is just a blacksmith. In Secret Rings, he's a non-entity. He's completely sidelined and pussified. You're defending the hack who took Tails out of the action and turned him into Sonic's cowering tech support.
>>538551046>In the context of Japanese game development a "rival" is an antagonist.No. A "rival" in Japanese anything is a fucking "rival" not an antagonist, dumbfuck. Do you think that Japanese culture and folklore just don't have the idea or terminology of a rival in their zeitgeist? When they say "rival" they are pretty much exactly referencing what you're trying to claim Tails is right now. He is not a rival, he is a partner or brother/sibling to Sonic. His eternal backup man. Knuckles is Sonic's rival. Shadow is Sonic's rival. Tails was never meant to be Sonic's rival and you trying to intentionally twist words around for your narrative to work makes no fucking sense if you understand even a little bit about Japanese culture and society, they are not so fucking different from the west that the concept of a "rival" is foreign or different to them. Unironically fucking culturally enrich yourself by reading their folklore and maybe you'll understand how psychotic of a take this is. You make no god damn sense.>Name a single on-foot gameplay stage for Tails in Sonic Adventure 2.He's not meant to play like Sonic in SA2, he goes right back to running along side him and being alongside Sonic in Heroes and that doesn't change a single time afterwards. Stop hyperfixating on one game where the reason why Tails is significantly different from Sonic is clearly because of gameplay reasons to be a Team Heroes counterpart to Eggman's gameplay.
Sex with androids
>>538550434I never said shit about silver , why are you using him in my reply? Talk to actual silverfags if you want to fight about it.
>>538551482Tails isn't in a mech in Heroes and 2006>>538551678Tails has and can have multiple fears. In Sonic Adventure he is also scared of Chaos and monsters in general>took Tails out of the action and turned him into Sonic's cowering tech supportTails is always in the action in Maekawa's storiesTails doesn't cower in fear in Maekawa's stories
I have a terrifying and scary confession related to that little Lanolin/Whisper/Silver spat above. I like all three of Silver, Lanolin and Whisper regardless of how poorly they've been handled, and regardless of whether or not the latter two are canon or not. I also genuinely wish they'll all get handled better in the future and that you all will stop being at each other's throats over the writer's fuckups.
>>538551482Tails was always scared of ghosts and lightning/thunder. That's not something Maekawa wrote into him.
>>538551708Don't lecture me on Japanese culture, you moron. I said "friendly rival," not antagonist. Tails and Sonic compete for fun and push each other to be better. Knuckles and Sonic are antagonistic. They aren't friends. You're deliberately twisting my words to argue against a point I never made.And you're using SA2 to prove your point? That's the game that proves MINE. That's exactly when Maekawa started the rot by putting the fox in a fucking mech. He was an action character in the classics and in Adventure 1. Maekawa turned him into the "tech guy" and "Eggman's rival" because he's a talentless hack. It wasn't just "gameplay reasons." It was the beginning of the end for his character.
>>538551234Sonic on the ground...get it
>>538551901does that fence feel good against your pucker you cuck
>>538552013You genuinely are too stupid to understand what "rival" means and on top of that you don't understand basic game design.I'm screenshotting this take just so I can ass blast you with it the next time you're not obviously trying to troll someone.
>>538552251Based
This is the level of intelligence you have to assume Tailstroon is on. Read it, save it and then post it whenever you are about to start arguing with him.Sparky his unironically smarter than him. I genuinely mean that.
>>538551119??? >>538551901is fine anon, I line the diamond cutters design, but until now thats it, I hole they can improve too.Silver is fine to me, hes even loved right now by social media.>>538552126Well that escalatwd quickly.
You idiots let violet bait you into an argument about if Tails is the new Sally are you kiddng me
>>538552030The blue magenta and green hedgehog suits are obviously based on them but what about the Jester? We only just got a jester character
>>538526612>Make game set in Silver's future>Show Silver's struggle as he fights against impossible odds>Silver comes out victorious, ushering in a bright new day in his timeline>1 or two Sonic games later>Silver has come to the present because something Eggman did doomed his future again
>>538552572Is just one guy fighting, no one cars about sally in general, besides the two satamfags and richard kuta.
One good thing at the cost of an avalanche of misfortune.
>>538552572No one was even talking about Sally. This dude just straight up does not understand the franchise on any level.>Hurr I was only pretending to be retardedSure buddy. Sure.
>maekawa turned him into the tech guy
>>538550560Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations
One namefag is arguing with themselves
>Tailstroon can't have an honest conversation about Sonic because he doesn't understand anything about it.keeeeeeeek
>>538552786
>>538553013I love Miles Prower as a character. I hate what Maekawa and his bootlickers did to him. He was flanderized into the 'tech guy' and made into Eggman's rival when that was never his role. Maekawa put the fox in a fucking mech, and western writers just used that as a template to turn him into a Sally stand-in who fumbles with a tablet.You're the one who can't have an honest conversation. You only know the character through the lens of Flynn's slop and Maekawa's rot. You don't know the actual history.
>>538551720robopenis sounds painful...
>>538552697>Silver goes back in time to convince everyone Eggman did something really bad and ruined the future>Actually he just really wants to go kart racing again
>>538552580No one in particular just but does referenceShadow with one of it alt colors
>>538552697I don't get your complain, thats his whole deal, it even works similar to the timelines in time squad, the past just keeps degrading so silver has to stop things for a bright future.Give it a check, it was a great cartoon.Shit happening in the past to stop it, doesnt mean shit is not happening in the future for silver to stop it.
>>538553201>Maekawa put the fox in a fucking mechWrong. Tails, Rouge and Shadow weren't meant to be playable characters. That's why they reuse Sonic's, Knuckles', and Eggman's gameplay styles
Maybe people would like you more on here Violet if you weren't a rampant fucking shitposter and offsite dramafag. You being a disgusting mutant freak of nature also doesn't help but generally I can look past physical abnormalities as long as the person is at least genuine about things.
>>538553443>time squad being talked about.Fuck yeah!This post theme:https://youtu.be/um-x-g_jp34?feature=shared
>>538552580>>538553407cuties
>doesn't even know tails was forced at last moment thats common knowledge i shan't discuss with you until you get informed more
>this thread
>>538553443My point is that it makes a game set in Silver's time virtually pointless story wise.
>>538553443>>538553636>Time Squad mentionedWe're so back
>Knuckles and Sonic aren't friendsThey are, he's even one of Sonic's FFFs.Saying Knuckles isn't Sonic's friend is like saying he still gets tricked by Eggman.Don't throw Knuckles under the bus like that just to make Tails look better, fucking loser.
>Bullies autists>Lambasts people on here for offsite drama unprompted for months>Tranny>Uses AI when they get caught in an argument they can't win>Plays the "lol I so trolled you omgz" card when they're shown to be directly wrong about something.I've met trannies who would unironically hate you and tell you to kill yourself.
>>538553530The thread had another melty about me, didn't it?It is disheartening to see so many people disagree with what is blatantly apparent in the story.You may call it shitposting but I am just pointing out how your conception of the characters has been poisoned by Ian Flynn and the western media.
>>538553927>Saying Knuckles isn't Sonic's friend is like saying he still gets tricked by Eggman.I mean he has a huge record for getting tricked
>>538553976Sonic x Pajama Sam
>>538553938>>Lambasts people on here for offsite drama unprompted for months>>Plays the "lol I so trolled you omgz" card when they're shown to be directly wrong about something.Please cite a single time I have ever done either of these things.
>>538554028Yes, and the characters actually call him out on it until he stopped doing it.He stopped believing Eggman's shit, he stopped 20 fucking years ago.
>>538553905Not those anons but it's crazy that in the past week that show has been popping up in my mind recently and I haven't thought about it for almost 2 decades.Collective consciousness is real.
The day of the rope will come for you.
People just refuse to fucking READ the characters profile now
>>538554494>Destined to stay in one placeFuck that, we've got a kart racing tournament to enter
>>538536812I like that the ninja lights in the Final Egg screenshot adds that shadow at the end of the tunnel while the palette version just leaves a wide open dead end that leads nowhere. The power of dynamic lighting.
>>538554494This is boring. Penders' echidna lore mogs
>>538553840Is just an intersting scenario, depending how it works.>>538554217Really? Thats interesting.
>>538554494The knuckles I know is a treasure hunter who takes any chance he can get to leave the island.
ENERJAK SAVE ME ENERJAK.
>>538554217I think it's because we were talking about old early 00's shows on here a few weeks ago. That Code Lyoko binge wasn't as fun as I wanted it to be but it was a nostalgia trip.
>>538554494I like how they wrote an excuse to never have him appear in a mainline Sonic game ever again.
>>538554391>Sonic won't die because he's a fairy>Shadow won't die because he's immortal>Silver won't die because all the time time traveling messed up his aging process
>>538555198Sonic is dead in Silver's time you FUCK
>he can also be easily deceived>Sage tries and failed to trick Knuckles into fighting Sonic in CrossWorldsJust accept that what you said about Knuckles and Sonic not being friends was very retarded and move on, this doesn't have to be anymore humiliating for you than you've already made it.
>>538555286Evidence?
>>538555534
>>538555286Sonic being an immortal fairy is cooler so fuck you
Sonia AdventureSonia Adventure 2
Reminder that Evan said she was great in her writing classes at college.
>>538553201>Maekawa put the fox in a fucking mech,That wasn't his original intention, at first Tails wasn't even gonna be playable in SA2. Even then who gives a shit, the cyclone is cool. It doesn't take away from his physical abilities >and western writers just used that as a template to turn him into a Sally stand-in who fumbles with a tablet.1. Just because this has it's origins in SA2 doesn't mean that it's Maekawa's fault. Both Heroes and 06 feature Tails on foot and those games were written by Maekawa. The mech was a one time thing to make him parallel Eggman in a gameplay sense2. The miles electric was introduced by Kiyoko Yoshimura in Sonic Unleashed and I'm pretty sure Tails doesn't act like Sally in that game. Also, Yoshimura wrote for Sonic X which significantly downplayed Tails' abilities and sadly infected the games for a very long time until recently with Frontiers. This wasn't a result of "western writers" and if anything once Maekawa left is when the Sonic X version of Tails completely took hold. Maekawa treated Tails with more respect than those that came after him>He was flanderized into the 'tech guy' and made into Eggman's rival when that was never his roleWhile I do agree Tails' technological expertise was flanderized in that specific scene with the fake chaos emerald, it's not a large stretch given the stuff he was making during the classic games like the Lunar Fox in Sonic the Fighters. And his rivalry with Eggman is good for two reasons: It elevates him to Sonic's status by becoming a rival to the main antagonist of the series, and also expands on the idea that Tails as a character represents the harmony between nature and technology, and will use technology for good to build the Sonic CD good futures. Tails has the potential to become like Sonic, but with a greater connection to technology
Sonic is alive in Silver's future because Sonic is the wind and he reborns every time the Eggman Empire is going to do something sinister
>>538556013Bad games
Sonic is alive in Silver's future because Eggman swapped minds with him.
>>538556095So the whole Iblis thing didn't matter to him huh
>>538556236Hot
Violet successfully beat the entire general in a debate about Tails. Wow.
>>538556513What going on I wasn't paying attention to that
>>538554494>Because of his earnest and earnest personality>earnest and earnestThis can't be real, sorry, this is stupid. Nice try anon
>Doom Shadow is the true form of the Ultimate Lifeform that Gerald and Doom created>Shadow feels complete when he has every Doom Power and he feels they are natural to him>Doom Shadow appears to be no less powerful than Super Shadow is, with Gerald's dialogue infering that if he took off his rings while being Doom Shadow he'd die like he almost did as Super Shadow in SA2>Shadow's true form is no less powerful than Super Sonic>Shadow and Sonic are equals in every regardWouldn't this just imply that Super Sonic is Sonic's true form? He's the only one the emeralds won't always scatter from.
>>538556485I know right?
>>538556768No
It's unfortunate that Tailstroon is such a dishonest shitposter. It would be nice to be able to have friendly conversations about Tails without some troon butting in to ruin it.
>>538556768Yes it's implied that Super Sonic is a more "complete" version of Sonic
>>538556868What are you talking about about? She's a windfag who understands the characters deeply
>>538556935No it isn't.
>sheMore like "it" but I'll continue to call him "he" just because I know it bothers him.
You guys know you could just not respond right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12K7BGVXwsCHADow is back on the menu
>>538557013In Sonic 3 & Knuckles when Sonic is standing on the edge of a platform, an idle animation plays showing Sonic struggling to not fall. His Super Sonic idle in this context is standing at the edge looking all cool. Base Sonic is more goofy but Super Sonic becomes cooler
It's funny watching sthg get mad that a person who happens to be a woman in a manner that they don't like understands Sonic characters better than they do making her difficult to debate with
>>538557221I've tried to have a normal conversation with him like several times now and they always resort to shitposting even when I do use their preferred pronouns. No wonder him and Krack get along. They're both retarded shitposters who can't act normal. The troon probably grew up on 4chan just like her and is socially and mentally stunted over it.
Nope, too late, looking into it.>Sonic is the only one the emeralds won't always scatter from>Sonic's existence was prophesized thousands of years ago>the Chaos Emeralds are said to have a mind of their own>Sonic's super form is more vibrant than Shadow's and Silver's>the 7 emeralds are servers, Sonic is the controller who unifies their power and enriches it with his own heart, becoming Super Sonic
>>538557689its not that fucking deep
>>538557402>Base Sonic is more goofy but Super Sonic becomes coolerthey do this in riders too, he sounds colder when he goes superhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIqrl2b65a4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Oqd-4gglw
I also forgot>Origins showed that at the end of Sonic 1, the emeralds gave Sonic a vision of where they were headed and that there was a secret 7th emeralds before scatteringOh yeah, it's deep.
>>538557509You sure sound pleasant to talk to
>>538558078>>538557689okay, Frontiers changed all the emerald lore, now what does this mean for your narrative
>>538558432Only thing Frontiers did is giving the emerald an origin place, it doesn't change what powers the emeralds have
>>538558328Oh please, don't give me that bullshit. I was perfectly cordial with him several times and he still went out of his way to act retarded and pretend he was trolling. He's not as smart as he thinks he is and when he's caught in an argument he can't win he resorts to just flagrant shitposting. That's by far more dishonest and annoying then anything I've done towards him.
>>538558620It completely ruins whatever cockamammy bullshit you have cocked up as how they relate to Sonic, unless you think he's a fucking alien.
>>538558968ooc
Can you share me some Sonic females you like? Preferably those that need more attention.
>>538559193
>>538559193My OCI just think she's neat
>>538545958>tails the fox Fucking grifters
>>538559193Momma Foxa
>>538558629>argument he can't winAre you sure it's not just because he heard something so stupid from you that his brain couldn't compute?
>>538559359I'm not the one who genuinely believes that Tails was in a mech the entire game for Sonic Heroes. If he doesn't believe that then he should stop saying it because it makes him come across as a retarded shitposter.
>>538559193Marinearine
>>538559075Shut the fuck up.
>>538559532Built for abducting
>>538555286No, Sonic's spirit remains in the wind in that very same game
>>538554976>>538555129>knuckles was present in frontiers >he's gonna be present in crossworlds.>people make scenarios to complain anyway.Why are you guys like this?
>>538559671
Sthg for absolutely mogged by some Tailsfag saying he's become the new Sally. Windfags always win debates.
>>538559768That's still dead idiot.
>>538559328I still miss her, cosmo was so pure, i miss the seedrians as a race too.
>>538559956yeah that post is going down in the pantheon of greatness I don't even care if they are my personal opps
>>538559924What I don't like about Sonic remodels is that they try to look like the 05 CG model which was never on-model
>>538559924aw this is kinda nostalgic, i remember a lot of pics like this back on deviantart
>>538559956She didn't win anything. She hasn't replied to my post >>538556073
>>538559335GTFO Woefag
>>538560164Nobody has any actual artistic vision for Sonic
>>538559956>>538560125Who the fuck cares, drama here is so forced.
>>538560202He's shitposting to get more (you)s.
>>538558432>Frontiers changed all the emerald loreIt didn't, it simply said the Chaos Emeralds were in space at one point in time>but the Bumblek-Irrelevant unsupervised noncanon made up nonsense
>>538560238just ignore them, they'll get tired soon
>>538559193Amy is just peak.
>>538558432Frontiers did not do that.Frontiers actually supported the emeralds not scattering from Sonic in Final Horizon's fight against The End, them staying with Sonic after he loses his transformation so he can retransform and keep fighting and Frontiers did not establish that the emeralds had no will of their own to retcon them having wills of their own.Did you pay attention to Frontiers' story? I know it's hard to play videogames, but I'm not sure if you actually know what it is you are criticising. Did you at least watch all the cutscenes?
>>538560202She completely destroyed her opposition, analyzed their points with catlike precision, and tore apart their points one by one. Honestly I would feel humiliated if I went up against her here. You people are pathetic. You wish you understood Sonic like she did.
>>538560364How did the emeralds end up in a completely different planet?
>she
>>538558968>sonic not blushing ic
>>538560497Ok now I know you're just baiting now. Keep talking to yourself in third person if you want
>>538560401it's still up>>538526678>>538526678>>538526678
>>538558872They relate to Sonic with him representing the positive embodiment of chaos and therefore can fully utilize the chaos emeralds powersNo matter if the emeralds are from earth or another planet, their function as an powerful energy source that anyone can use either for good or evil is still the same but only a master like Sonic can fully utizilize it's true powers. Black Doom is also an alien with chaos control but he can't go Super since he's represent negative traitsThe only thing Frontiers says is that this Chaos Emeralds can't form naturally on earth
>>538560680And we're still not at 750 and page 8.
>>538560680It's too early to move dude
>>538560801>>538560818LOL
>>538560202I don't disagree with you enough on those points to bother. I never said that 'westerners invented the miles electric'. My point was that Tails being mischaracterized is a result of western writers, especially Pontaff and Evan Stanley, using him as a stand-in for Sally Acorn. Making him a nag to Sonic, making him oppose the wind, and downplaying his action hero element.I was primarily arguing against shitposters initially who argued that Tails was not a funny or goofy adventure lover initially. Which he absolutely was. The mischaracterization rot came later. Maekawa is not as much of an offender as those who came after him but his contributions laid the ground work for the character assassination.You largely brought up points I agree with you on (Sonic X being terrible and its effects on game characterization being largely negative, bar Amy who was always a terrible character in the games to begin with).You also conceded that SA2 flanderized Tails' tech skills.I don't see why I should continue engaging when you pretty much already gave me every inch of ground I wanted.None of which was related to my original point.
>>538560501See >>538557689The emeralds scatter and can go wherever they want. There are also multiple aliens around the world that may have taken them and moved them, the original classic manuals also talk about "the gods" that gave the emeralds to the Echidnas
FUCK SHADOW
Maybe think next time before challenging a windfag to a debate. Violet clearly understands the characters with real depth.
>>538560571
>>538560202Violet unambiguously BTFO'd himself the moment he said "rival doesn't mean rival in Japanese"
If you see negro StC Super Sonic in the wild just know this post was all me. The OP, your posts, all of it.
Who is Violet?
>>538561116I'd argue saying Sonic and Knuckles aren't friends was worse than that.
>>538560906Your original point was retarded and you're wrong about everything. Don't try to find some middle ground with a post that called you out on your nonsense
>>538560882Lots Of Love indeed.
>>538561234Everything he said is very stupid
>>538557689>the Chaos Emeralds are said to have a mind of their ownSo what do they do?
Real!
>>538561116The whole point of my statement is that Tails, while not intended to be a direct adversary for Sonic, was intended to be a character who pushed Sonic. Who accompanied Sonic and who playfully rivaled his speed skills. That is the point of his character. That is the point behind the inclusion of the V.S. mode multiplayer. To establish Sonic and Tails as friendly competitors who push each other.This contrasts a rival like Knuckles who was not depicted as Sonic's friend until much later. I do admit that Knuckles eventually became Sonic's friend but that was not the original depiction or the depiction early on in the franchise. Tails was the friendly competitor to Sonic, as shown in the games' multiplayer modes and his story mode in Sonic Adventure where he literally speedruns against Sonic through stages.Knuckles was the antagonistic rival, the guy who'd always be cruising for a bruising and pick fights with the blue blur. Knuckles was initially a purely oppositional force to Sonic until his 'redemption', and even then, after that would play numerous adversarial roles to Sonic throughout titles such as Sonic Adventure, Sonic Triple Trouble, and Sonic Advance 2.Sonic and Knuckles being "clear cut friends" was a much later development. Knuckles' opposition to Sonic and their more intense rivalry contrasted Tails' good spirited competitive streak with Sonic.
>>538560906>My point was that Tails being mischaracterized is a result of western writers, And I disproved that by saying his mischaracterizations originate from a Japanese source. You even say it yourself >The mischaracterization rot came later. Maekawa is not as much of an offender as those who came after him but his contributions laid the ground work for the character assassination.He didn't lay the groundwork for anything. In the games Tails was consistently an action focused character between Sonic 2 and Rush, and in 06 as well. Maekawa didn't change anything. Putting him in a mech doesn't change anything. It was a one time thing for symbolic/gameplay purposes, and the next two games he wrote for had Tails fighting on foot. You're trying to attribute the faults of the Sonic X writers and the JP Sonic Team on Maekawa for a stupid reason. That's like saying Oshima is at fault for Sonic being flanderized in 90s American material because he wanted Sonic to be cool. The misinterpretation of a concept by other people is not the fault of the conceptualizer >You also conceded that SA2 flanderized Tails' tech skillsI'm not "conceding" I'm saying that that scene in particular was indeed forced. But Tails being a genius in general is not a retcon. Tails was a child prodigy in the Classic games, he already built a fucking rocket in Fighters, and there's a time skip between whatever is the last classic game and Sonic 4/Adventure which gave Tails more time to hone in his technological abilities.
How do we feel about the next mainline Sonic game? Will it be slop or peak?
>Tails is funny and goofyNo Violet, Tails is a cute cartoon character, but that doesn't mean he's a goofy humor comic relief character. Tails is not Charmy. Tails is not Orbot and Cubot. Tails is not Chip. Tails is not Yacker. Tails has a relatively serious attitude.
Why do these posts read like AI?
>>538562108Because the tails tranny uses AI
>>538562108he uses ai
>>538562026I think it will be fun
>>538562026I hope it's good
>>538562057I wish you stopped writing for the comic Evan
>>538562108He's using AI because he doesn't know how to not talk like a normal person and can't have debates or arguments without it.
why its always something related to tails bros....
The world I grew up in has ceased to exist long ago. this new era is alien and has no place for me.
Well anyways I think Tails is cute and cool and capable. He's so amazing
Why do we have so many Evan glazers here?
>>538562545It sucks. Tails is my favorite character but I'm exhausted of participating in these arguments. I think I'll take a break from this place
I'm so tired of it all.
>>538560680lol should we just migrate there and retroactively consider it Thread #8625?
>>538562725mostly idwfags and shippers
>>538562725Because she's literally our only option if Ian is given the boot.
>>538562829Alternatives? Waste good 1s and 0s? What for
>>538562026If it supports my headcanons it will be peak.If it doesn't it will be slop.Simple as.
How are Sparky and Slashy considered stupid?Sparky makes great points about Sonic and Slashy was the first person to call out IDW as a dumpster fire here and predicted all of its failings.
>>538562842No we have Barnes and SEGA can just bring in someone from Sonic Team. Even Katie could do it?Why do you automatically assume Evan will be given the position if Flynn leaves?
>>538561527They gave Sonic a vision of the near future and it was inferred that they were responsible for bringing Sonic and Tails to Blaze's dimension and Tails believes that all the Emeralds were extremely stable in Rush Adventure's ending because they wanted to be used to get Sonic home.For reference, Sonic being the go-to emerald guy wasn't a new thing by Rush, Knuckles thought of bringing the six he got from Chaos 6 to Sonic back in SA1, the same game where Sonic learns how to use the emeralds to generate power even when they're drained by Chaos' grief and anger.
Evan is a better writer than Violet.
>>538562980I can help you out with the second personBecause he is unironically and genuinely stupid.
>>538562926I mean the alternative is what happened last thread where multiple geeks bumrushed each other baking a new bread.
>>538563065Toyoda should be the main writer instead
>>538563159Then help me out.
>>538562980>Sparky makes great pointsNo, no he does not.
>>538563129Ooh, now that's a good stinger.
>>538563129I doubt that because I trust Sparky more than Evan and even AAR can write better than her.
/sthg/ didn’t live and learn…
>>538563219He wrote Forces. No.
>>538563129You will be proven wrong once I finish the script for Stone Warriors.Speaking of which, I should get working on more of that once I finish my dinner.
It's pathetic watching you all trip over yourselves to attack this "Violet" person. You're so desperate to defend your precious Evan Stanley that you'll dogpile anyone who makes her look bad, even by accident.You're all ignoring the fact that she's taken a massive dump on Shadow, too. But that's fine, right? Because you love the mopey, sad-sack edgelord she writes. You love that he's just "Dark Sonic," a walking trope for the yaoi fangirls to drool over.You're defending the same woke hack who turned Tails into the same garbage that the other back did to Amy. You're defending the same woke hack who pushed a second whiny nagger with Lanolin.Please get your heads checked before posting again!
>>538563438Ian wrote Frontiers
>>538563484>Stone WarriorsHi Slashy.
>>538563314Slashy you couldn't even get her to finish a comic that you explicitly paid for her to finish. A story can only be judged on it being a story and a story needs a beginning, middle and end, and Evan has at least done that, even if you don't like her work.
>>538563484That's AARs story, and you are going to ruin it you hack.
>>538563578Evan Stanley is CUTE and deserves death by a thousand PLAPS!
Hmmm, yea actually.Evan and Ian are both better writers than Slashy or Violet ever could be. At least they finish their arcs and stories and don't need to use AI.Sorry but this is just how the world works. Can't call yourself a writer if you can't even write a whole story.
>>538563712AAR gave me permission to rewrite and finish Stone Warriors.I already completed the first issue of eight's script.Afterwards, it'll be given to an artist to draw into a comic.
>haven't been in /sthg/ for a while, what are they discussing?>the same westernshit comics>the same westernshit writers >the same westernshit characters>the same westernshit drama
>>538563636Kishimoto wrote Frontiers..
I am writing the next Sonic game, ask me anything.
>>538563484How has one story taken you five years to make
>>538563934Did Sonic PLAP Amy in the interim?
>>538563859That would mean that you would be a better writer than AAR according to /sthg/
Reminder that Evan is responsible for every Whisper breakdown post MV, dropping the premise of Tangle wanting to go on adventures in favor of chaining her to the restoration, botched the concept of the new diamond cutters in favor of more drama and milking whisper’s trauma and writes Whisper ooc. You thought Silver was her only problem? She can’t even get her own comic ocs right. She has no concrete plan for Lunar either, just more virtue signaling and in the blind haze of that made a minority caricature of the only non-binary character being a literal mentally ill villain. She’s not a good writer.
I defended Violet occasionally but I think I can easily say I'm tired of him now.
It's funny when shitposters have their shitposts turned on them and they reveal themselves to actually be deeply insecure about it.Don't throw Stone Warriors in a glasshouse, dumbass.
I hate namefags on principle.
>>538563905Kishimoto rewrote Frontiers for the japanese version*
Alright, that's it, you asked for it.>fires a laser at Amy Rose that gives her toestake that
>>538526678>>538526678>>538526678
>>538564034Still a better writer than Slashy.
>>538563703Not only has she finished stories but I don't believe for second you believe that because even if Violet finished it you are not going to read it.
>>538564131And it was so bad even Japanese players called it out
both ian and evan are dogshit at wiritng an they don't even read the character profiles of what they write.The only reason they have a job its because no other people want to work on sonic.
>>538564278I have read many stories here. Including your own. Which is why I know you haven't finished any. God you are stupid
>>538568875It's genuinely impressive that this idiot continues to try and gaslight people on here how intelligent he is fucking 8 years later. You'd think he'd eventually just give up and realize that he's never going to get anywhere with us but nope, he'll literally fucking pay people to come on here and suck his dick publicly.At some point this shit went from mildly annoying to genuinely insane antics and behavior and I think partially the reason why it's so hard for this autist to find an actual friend is because the first thing kind people try to tell him is to stop fucking coming here.It's honestly a miracle that someone on this general hasn't made a KF thread about him yet. This is CWC levels of obliviousness.
>>538569672>mildly annoying to genuinely insane antics and behaviorNo fucking shit, AWF literally said this was going to happen eventually because he was already going down that road years ago. Everything that guy said about Slashy was 100% correct and I really fucking wish this general actually listened to him and started shitposting his real name on here more often until he left.
>>538570651AWF being right about Slashy does not make him correct about anything elseAWF's a massive idiot, but idiots hae the capacity to be right
>>538572053I don't consider AWF intelligent on any level and most of the stuff he did back when he was active on here was retarded, especially when he would pick fights with anons for no reason other than drama, I'm just saying that his evaluation on Slashy and how we should have kicked him out of here years ago has been retroactively proven correct not even because AWF is intelligent but because of Slashy's own actions proving him right.
>>538564454Enough with this narrative, they only complained about one line early in the game and the animations not matching the dialogue.
