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consider the following

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This games good an all but when are the swimsuit skins coming out

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This character is pure fucking sex.

i need them to de-marvel-ify this game as much as they can

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holy
fvcking
KINOO

my two glorious kings saam and biran f gooning together!

>>539374435
nah, it's just her S1 that has a really long charge time

pair her with point braum, and you can charge a massive fullscreen tornado

so far characters that are cheap frauds
Braum, Ilaoi, Darius.
The rest has actually buttons that don't reach fullscreen, Armor, retarded chip

>>539381050
They're playing a juggernaut Blitz otp who has fury unblockable ToDs off of commandgrabbing the incoming from snapback
Pretty funny
But yeah labfreaks always lose when you put a labber in a scramble he falls apart

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>>539380184
Sorry doomgod you lost
Casuals enjoy tagfighters
There'll never be another street fighter game ever again
It'll be tag games for the next ten years

>>539379694
AAAIEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME MOTION INPUTS PLEASE!

i never use assists when pressuring my opponent, i'm just not enough of a faggot to do it, is it time to start using juggernaut?

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>>539385129
>juggs vs juggs
but they're playing street fighter mode, sis

>>539384216
>darius
>cheap
you can parry 90% of his options on reaction, skill issue

>>539385129
wha? where's the throwing? the... striking? ACK!

So hold on, for shit like Jinx laser super or the gatling or Ekko projectile suoer, you have to fucking know the exact hit count and the rhythm to parry those shits and punish??????

>>539375462
What? More than Sonic and Supernoon? They are inarguably the two greatest players right now but you pick dekillsage.
You don't know the game at all.

>>539389564
I just said the set was good man? Relax dawg
Sage is just the best Braum I've seen so far and I thought it was dope
Also sonic is literally in that set

>>539386230
This girl has black features

>>539386249
Is that character....what the fuck ... are they.. running forwards??? JUMPING FORWARDS???
wheres the footsies?? t-t-t-the shimmys??? w-w-w-w-wwheres my neutral ????? AIEIEIEIIEEIEIE

Is this thing region locked like LoL or can i play with any server like valorant?

Seriously. This is a great fucking game. It's so much fun if you enjoy tag fighter kusoge (which is my favorite shit)

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>>539388646
yes, now get to labbing, sweaty
it's actually pretty mashable, because of a change they made after alpha1

>>539385129
Is this the new strategy? Become old and ugly then become a vtuber? I've seen several female streamers on the same path

>>539390979
It's region locked
I also just played 200+ ping matches and it'd look like they're teleporting when they do jump ins and made it hard to react if they're just rushing it down.

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Found this myself but don't know if I can get more.

>>539393595
she was always ugly

Kinda wish both characters did something in the winscreen
At least have a group shot at the end back to back or something yk
Feels weird only showing off one guy

>>539393595
Well she was always ugly af. Vtubing just wasn't a thing back then

What character should i pair Vi with?

>>539394686
whoever you want there isnt a meta yet and the game is not restrictive at all
Just pick someone you like there'll be some fucked up mixup or setup to abuse no matter what

>>539393781
Jinx footdive into charged hammer is so gas to do
Shit just feels good

I cannot do L after 5S1 with Vi, the attack just doesn't come out until the dude hit the ground. What am i doing wrong?

>>539394257
I feel you and it might come in the future. Given Strive is going to a 2.0 phase and Marvel Tokon is getting "10 years of support", "fighting games as a service" is definitely about to become the norm

I have no idea why but my connections in this game are fucking trash and it feels like I'm the only one.

>>539396210
What's your address?

Collosal need a huge buff

What the fuck do i do when blitzkrank start swinging like a retard?

Any pro player running Illaoi/Blitz so I can watch and pretend I'm good enough to steal his tech?

>>539398689
Parry if he tries to pull you in or go into the rocket punch

Who do I pair with Jinx? I can play ehr well enough but I suck with everyone else

>>539398868
Vi, their supers work well together with Double Down

>>539399041
>Vi in every match
god this game needed more characters yesterday. i see what you mean, though. i got clapped by a vi/jinx last night

>>539398868
Ekko or Vi for stupid mix
Braum for stupid zoning
I recommend Braum Jinx that team is actually fucked up if you know how to keep space

>>539399434
I wanna see some matches from that team, any pros trying it out? If not, please explain a bit more about it brother

I know juggernaut isn't the best and all, but is Ahri any fun with that fuse?

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this game makes it so easy for a retard like me to lab for myself
in sf6 or tekken it feels like slapping random buttons until something works

>>539400337
it's not great, but it works, sure
i pretty much always recommend sidekick over juggernaut

Please buff colosal. I don't wanna play with tags.

>>539400279
I only messed around with it briefly but I got ran by a duo on the team
You cycle through all your projectiles and you use Braum's dumb as hell assists to keep people out
His neutral assist pushes them stupid far and his back assist can block jump ins
Can even go sidekick to let you abuse charged neutral assist behind her projectiles which is actually an egregiously fucked up thing to do to people but you cant get unbreakable

>>539398868
Blitzcrank has weird synergy with her that leads to some dumb combos with triple supers

I won't deny, this kusoge is growing on me, but it's still a kusoge

So why does this game have a parry outside of the devs like third strike?

>>539405663
So niggers can't chip you into infinity with strings.

>>539405663
So Darius has 1 (one) weakness

>>539405663
it is the only answer to some strings

And not complex ones either, like, blitzcrank stringing you into grab is like infinite

what are some practical ekko bnbs

i am not sexually attracted to ahri. never have been, don't find her particularly hot in 2XKO, but she seems fun. is she bad? why does her neutral feel like ass

>>539406103
You're supposed to neutral skip with an assist and then just airdash back and forwards above people while spamming charged heavy, crossups and tags
She's probably the single worst character without an assist yeah

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>>539406103
>is the only character with an airdash in a tag fighter bad
absolutely not lol
just gotta get used to her ranges better milord

>>539406496
>charged heavy
the timing on some of these things feels so fucking bad

>>539406656
wdym
I think it feels p good whenever I smoke someone with it shit's always pretty meaty

TIL: 2xko has an offline mode. At least r*ot shows some love for local and tournament play.
On paper it looks like the best FG ever, but the tag nature + endless amount of features and options is really frustrating.
>Will this be your main fighter?

>>539410697
not only that but the offline mode has all characters unlocked FOR FREE
imagine

>>539410697
>on paper it looks like the best fg ever
it's made by nepotism hire bong smokers from california who despite playing fighting games their whole lives did not simply copy other games basic solutions to their systems
they need the good will of "by the community, for the community" because without it they have literally nothing

>>539411147
it's bro's time of the month :100: :100: :fire: :fire:

how the fuck do you play Braum. He feels weird as fuck

>>539411147
Wasn't this thing builded from that fighting robot game that i don't remember from many years ago? wdym it was copy from other games.

>>539411504
a lot of the game is trying to reinvent the wheel instead of learning lessons from existing games on why they're functional
for example, in skullgirls, bursts are minus on hit so that the defender doesn't immediately get offense off of bursting because offense is extremely strong in that game
in bbtag, burst is mostly trash and can be option selected like 70% of the time despite offense being almost as strong, it also is much better on hit in the chance that you get to use it
even though bbtag's way of doing it is way worse, for some reason 2xko's implementation of tag fighter burst is 80% bbtag 20% their own terrible ideas like being able to punish burst on block but not whiff

diaphone is suspiciously handsome

it's crazy how they let yasuo combo his level 1 into his level 3 for the price of 3 meters
riot favoritism is so cool

>press button during superflash
>die
i hate this

the more I play and learn yasuo combos the more I kind of want to drop him
I feel like he's just too strong, and his combos take fucking 30 seconds to do and his voicelines are starting to get really annoying
I play him with darius and I'm starting to feel more hype about doing darius shit than yasuo 40 hit combos
not sure what I would replace him with though

dude im sorry but if you lose as jinx you got gapped outrageously fucking hard. RETARD enabler character

>>539405986
L5 > M5 > H5 > H2 > Air L5 > Air M5 > Air H5 > S2 > S2

The light to medium to heavy to air shit works for literally every character by the way, it's nice to fall back on if you don't know what to do and can usually be chained off of a low light too. Ekko's nice cause he can chain into that air dive attack he's got twice AND that can then chain into your ult super. The timewinder also means you can reliably get this off if you're choking in the moment and wanna capitalise on them being paused.

>>539413962
who's the harder character to play between yasuo, ekko and jinx? I have heard them all referred to as the hardest character in the game

>Free-to-play no $60 buy-in + DLC wall
>Rollback + Riot servers best online experience
>Cross-play + cross-progression play anywhere, keep progress
>Live service model steady updates instead of sequels
>League champs + slick artstyle instant character/lore appeal
>EVO founders (Cannon brothers) on dev team FGC authenticity + GGPO pedigree
>Riot backing big esports push + prize pools
Will this be the most played (traditional) fighting game ever?
I'm still not sure, because of the tag mechanic and the watchability. It's just too much going on.
I hooked someone on Tekken 7 by showing him JDCR (drag) vs LilMajin (King) commented by Avoiding The Puddle, he loved it.

>>539414158
Yasuo > Jinx > Ekko imo

I've only really fucked around with Vi, Jinx and Ekko, but from what I played with Yas he has a little bit going on and definitely is input intensive. Jinx can be pretty intensive too but I think she's a lot simpler to wrap your head around than Yas comparatively. Ekko SEEMS complicated but he has so many just solid tools and bullshit he can use that you can kinda be shit with him and not know what you're doing but still be fine. Also his combos are just a lot more forgiving and easier to pull off

>>539414516
I honestly think it might. they need to pump out characters and make sure it doesn't spiral too out of control with the touch of death shit that every character seems to be able to do now though. but I'm impressed by how fun it is.

>>539414158
yasuo is only "difficult" in terms of needing to learn long combos, playing him at a basic level is just "spam backdash, set up wind wall, if they approach do tornado if they don't then stab" and his buttons are privileged as FUCK
jinx and ekko are both lab monkey characters where you get more mileage the more you learn, difference just being do you want zoning with jinx or mix with ekko

told you this game would have favorites

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game's fun

>>539405663
Genuinely and unironically: SF6 released during development and they saw how HOOOIP those perfect parries were. Any sort of consideration of how it affects the gameplay or how fun it is to play were of course never made, if they were given into such considerations they wouldn't have made tag kusoge in the first place.

aaaaa I don't know what team to play
yasuo/darius
darius/braum
jinx/braum
jinx/blitzcrank
braum/illaoi
something with ekko
something with vi
I'm not getting anywhere, help

>having fun with Ahri
>dropping every single fucking combo I do
>carried by my main
i can't wait to replace her with Teemo

>>539418172
pick darius
always darius
finally getting your hands on these backdash spamming spergs and splattering their guts with him feels so fuckin good every single time

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>add snapback to 1 fuse for some reason
>don't give the incoming character throw protection

>>539418970
yeah, the more people lab juggernaut the more it feels like that's gonna be the shit that gets nerfed asap

>>539414516
you niggas are delusional in so many ways, can't wait for the release to crush your dreams.

I am new to fighting games and I am so bad them. Can't even win the tutorial fight. Help pls.

>>539419459
the first thing you should do is just go to training mode and learn how to control your character comfortably. walking back and forth, dashing, jumping, that kind of thing. then learn what each of your basic buttons do: they're just as important as special attacks, even if they're less flashy

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>>539380117
I can't do the properly hard stuff yet but at least I'm ready to beat mashers when ranked drops.

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this took me about 30 minutes to land
the instant air S2 is annoying but the rest is pretty easy once you get the hang of it
but you do no damage if the air S2 drops since it's so early in the combo

>let's copy skullgirls and have a fuse so you can play a solo character, but it's also really bad and tuned horribly!
>let's make a baby mode fuse for the e-girls so they only have to worry about assists! (literally no one but retards will use this)
>let's make babytag fuse, but then give basically no one but Ekko and Ahri mix!
I just don't see a reason to pick anything but DHC or 2x Assist. Both of those are good in every single situation, all the time. DHC is just free fucking damage and easily probably the strongest while being braindead. Babytag fuse COULD be good, but the mixup in this game is just trash and since it relies on you winning 50/50s it's just not reliable enough to lose DHC or 2x assist, because you will always run into people who have good defense and quick reactions.
DHC should just be part of the base game desu.

Why the fuck does Vi's sway follow up not come out half the time. I can see the input being registered but she just stands there.

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shake my hand lil nigga

>>539423725
>Genuinely over 10 seconds for a normal BnB even before the super cinematics
I genuinely don't understand how people enjoy this. The game is enjoyable enough when you are playing against someone who can only do lm2h jump lmh special, but as soon as you hit someone who can do combos most of the match is spend either doing literally nothing or doing boring, predetermined input sequences instead of playing against another human being.

>>539423725
I don't think these routes that rely on getting a weird hit on the jS2 are going to be match viable maybe outside of punishes, it's completely dependent on the distance of landing the starter and exactly how much you kara in.

>>539425990
How about you stop playing games in genres you don't like? Seems like it might make you happier.

>>539426564
>Tag has to have overly long combos as a natural law!
No, fuck off. MvC 2 had short combos barring infinites that were unintentional.

>>539426716
So why are you complaining about a game where 15+ second combos are completely intentional? If anything this game is only going to get worse for you because if they nerf the damage then you'll be seeing more combos.

>>539426021
maybe, but when I watch K7 play he hits it pretty much every time

yasuo is the most carried character in the game by an enormous distance

>>539427393
>nnoooo you have to pick shit characters like me
why is this a thing again

>>539427535
It's honorable. You lack honor!

Noob question: Whenever Ekko jumps on you and use his projectile, are you just forced to block that and then it's his turn again or can I do something about it?

redpill me on ekko

>>539427535
you don't have to but when they nerf his neutral out of being the easiest thing in the game by a mile most yasuo players won't win anymore
the supposedly retard friendly button character character darius has worse buttons and half the movespeed

>>539426823
What the fuck kind of logic is that? We aren't allowed to complain or criticize anything as long as it is intentional?

>>539425670
>previous betas damage was too low so everyone was timer scamming for wins
>now you can be at 90% life at 81 seconds remaining and get 1 touched
I don't know how to feel about this

>>539427907
idk lab it, just go with ekko and see how + you are after doing that

>>539428931
it's the same as complaining that they used league characters as the fighters, it's a pointless waste of time. The devs are mvc3 fans and they wanted the game to be like this.

>>539430104
The devs are fans of everything and the game is very bloated with 20 seconds long combos because of it, they've swung wildly between different game styles per alpha test too

>>539430104
Do you genuinely believe that most devs read fucking 4Chan and change their games accordingly? Just because the devs are not going to change the game doesn't mean criticism and complaining is pointless. Such an odd perspective to have. Do you also believe all film and book criticism is pointless because the movie/book has already been released and thus won't be changed?

>>539430625
Your criticism is like picking up a horror book then complaining it's not a romance, the whole thing is pointless waste of time. The game isn't what you want, this is different from wanting the game to be better or worse.

>>539430284
>they've swung wildly between different game styles per alpha test too
because it's literally in the name: alpha test
it's just a good way to test things, by checking edge cases, the extremes

if you make minor changes, it'll be easy to overlook what impact a change actually has

this kind of thinking applies outside of gamedev, too
eg, testing logic with extreme hypotheticals to see if it remains consistent

>>539431476
It speaks to having no consistent vision for the game from the word go IMO

How come i can't find a match. I just beat the 3 NPC matches

>>539431661
not really
every game has tests like these, but you're just exposed to it with 2xko

what you're more familiar with are those 'betas' that are too late in development to actually make changes
i'm sure you can think of your own examples of betas with awful ui, visuals, features, performance, ...,
and then they release like a month later with the exact same issues

>>539431975
just press find a match

backdash backdash backdash backdash S1 5[H]

anyone else got a problem launching the game? tried everything, starting in offline mode, launching with admin, reinstalling vanguard, restarting pc
im going fucking insane did any1 else come across this problem?

>>539434856
no

My autism doesn't allow me to pick a team where the characters have no relationship lore wise and I just happen to like playing with Darius, so now I'm stuck using Ahri with him because they have 3 or 4 different dialogues during intro.

>>539434856
you can send support tickets now

I was enjoying the game then this guy just starts doing UMVC3 combos, alright uninstalling

new to this game and genre, how do I install this game anons

just received my code what characters do you recommend to get familiar with the system mechanics? sf6 ed player btw

>>539435643
any of them are good
none of them don't use the system mechanics

>>539435568
Is this your first time on a PC

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>>539425990
welcome to modern fighting game design post SF2
Every single game decided they needed to boil the interactive game space into I touch you and take 30-70% of your life lmao haha handshake gg
There are seldom few games where your spaced heavy punch has a large impact on the game, where your fireball has a large impact on the game.
NO NO THATS WRONG AND CHEAP
but please go ahead and do crouch medium kick xxxxxx super and take 50% of my life.

this game does not have a proper feedback forum... you're kidding me right? I'm just supposed to @ these niggas on social media?
what is this shit.

>>539436562
They only take feedback from their friends who they invite to their office to playtest during working hours so there hasn't been any need for a feedback forum.

>>539405792
>>539405843
>>539405978
So bad game design got it.

>>539411442
Do blockstring / do neutral / exist half a screen away from people
Press assist
charge Forward heavy
Dash cancel
Mix
Win the game

>>539436840
this game feels very unfinished or very in alpha still

>>539436679
can't really blame them, 99% of people whining about fighting games are just retarded and their opinions are worthless

>>539437162
congrats on having 1% of players then. hope that's sustainable.

>>539437242
fighting games have about 1% of the playerbase of other genres, yes that's about right

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>>539436809
Yeah I got bodyblocked by my assist into whiff a lot
Needing to legit like jump over them is pretty fucked up
But it is true to league. maybe its in the game to encourage people to active tag still kinda goofy
>>539436562
if i were making a game i would NOT be talking to any of you guys either

>>539436840
explain why needing to parry things is bad game design

What’s the best partners for Vi?

>>539436840
>why is rock the only answer to scissors?? WTF???
>I dont want to do ROCK rock is STINKY!!!

>>539437363
Street fighter 6 doesn't :)

>>539437532
The problem here is that playing rock costs you a resource you might not have while playing scissors is free. Checkmate situations aren't usually considered desirable in fighters, especially if they occur frequently. This in turn leads to the current gameplay where they give out meter like crazy because meter is the only counter-play to many things so being in a situation without meter feels terrible, which in turns leads into every single combo ending with a super or two, which feeds into the long combos feeling even longer.
The rounds originally started with 0 meter but they changed it because Darius could just do his special at roundstart and there wasn't anything most characters could do to contest it.

>>539438135
>Darius could just do his special at roundstart and there wasn't anything most characters could do to contest it.
have you tried backdashing or jumping?

>>539438095
maybe 2xko will live if we let people do fury dash cancelling all the time then

>>539438262
Nigga jump
nigga JUMP

>>539436185
isn't it a closed test, maybe he's asking how to register

>>539437419
If you have some that needs to be parried why does it cost 1 bar to parry

>>539438605
because when you parry it you get to do 50% damage into oki

>>539438669
You literally avoided the question.

>>539438748
it's tied to a resource that you start the game with and don't lose until you decide to spend it because the reward for parrying is so high it needs to be metered

>>539438748
no he answered it, it's because if you parry you get a super combo

it's still shit design btw they have absolutely no idea what they're doing

>>539438882
WHY DOES A DEFENSIVE MECHANIC REQUIRE ONE BAR TO DEFEND AGAINST SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED PARRY TO DEFEND AGAINST

>>539438135
>>539438605
>>539438940
If you're getting hit by Darius you've already LOST neutral
Him mixing you into an inevitable combo is what you deserve
Parry is not the answer, the "answer" is winning neutral and putting him in a blockstring
Parry is an extra facet that lets you get out of punishment, not an answer

>>539439010
Thank for actually answering the question.
I won't argue with whatever else you're trying to posit because I lack the matchup understanding and have already uninstalled the game.
This genre is dead if every game that comes out is just combo slop and nothing else.

>>539439267
Reducing the entire game to a silly binary rock paper scissors moments on block is the most autistic thing people do on the internet

I guarantee not a single person who complains about them has ever won or lost a game off of any one binary they just sucked giant dick the entire game and fixated on the one moment they guessed wrong or they had no agency instead of the 50 other moments they guessed like a retard

>>539438940
>>539438135
>when i get hit whyy is my only option BURST??
>i dont HAVE burst??
>WHERES MY AGENCY IVE BEEN CHECKMATEDD

>>539440103
Please go back to Sajam's youtube comments section. Some of us are trying to have an actual conversation.

>>539438503
That ship has sailed, the real hype died 3 years ago and street fighter ate its lunch desu

>>539440223
the convo is over
you lost

Juggernaut down + tag should be eject, forward and back tag should be purple RC at the cost of half fury.

>>539441167
youre already playing sf6 in fury bro you dont need guilty gear too

What's even the point of the charged heavies? Feels like a hold over from an earlier version. 36-39 frames to be plus on block in a game where everyone's slamming fullscreen degeneracy covered by assists and there are universal parries? You can't even use them as meaties because they're so reactable.

>>539441951
that's the real taunt of the game, if you block it instead of parrying it you're a clown

>>539441951
this game is just a clusterfuck of ideas put together with no cohesive plan

>>539441951
If they hit the opponent cant use pushblock, burst retreating guard or parry for a second
Which lets you do your insane sandwich mixup for free
Most freestylers have to find a way to charge heavy in your face before they go for their 9 way mixup

>>539441951
>>539442058
If you swap out while holding it you can continue charging the heavy while pilioting your other champ.
It's in the game for that extra layer of degeneracy.
Also, it disables defensive mechanics on block

Are casual lobbies down?

i don't know if i'm a lunatic or if most people lack empathy, including the fighting game developers, but having autocombos only benefits the retards, and the not-so-sweat-but-still-a-bit-sweat league/fps player quits when he notices the next step, e.g, doing long and optimal combos, is boring

>>539445068
I agree I think the game would be better off if it flashed something like LMH + launcher at every noob when they boot the game up until they managed to do it
But idk it seems to work just look at modern in SF

>>539445232
MODERN SF IS ONLY POPULAR IN JAPAN WHERE THEY UNIRONICALLY TREAT IT AS A NATIONAL PRIDE

STOP SPREADING THIS FUCKING LIE ABOUT SF BEING POPULAR

LTG IS MORE POPULAR THAN SF IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW

>>539445430
Release the 2xko active player numbers and we'll have that conversation Mr Rioter :)

>>539445587
Do I have to post a massive fucking list of caveat's for every fucking post on here you massive fucking faggot?

>>539445709
SF6 owns the genre

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>>539445939
SO TRUE

https://x.com/i/status/1968082367844909154
Holy fucking shit

>>539446165
So funny that we have exactly the same people who cry about SF in /sfg/ crying about it in /2xkog/

>>539446254
issa accessible game

>>539446165
Y'know, maybe if 2XKO had a better artstyle, some of the jap league players would play it. I heard their league scene is growing due to Valorant being popular and some vtubers streaming LoL.

>>539446254
ok ill play jinx again FINE

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>>539446292
WHO BROUGHT UP SF?
>>539445232
>But idk it seems to work just look at modern in SF

Implying that since SF is "popular" and it gets away with mindless fucking dogshit in its game design
ITS PERFECTLY FINE

please call me when sf6 reaches 11 billion dollars ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION

>>539414516
>FGC authenticity
10 years dev time. Still trying to pass it off as beta so they are not held to any criticism. Less than 10 characters as it stands. No clear direction with the game with a huge identity crises.

getting to level 3 takes so fucking long in this game i don't mind the tods

>>539446521
try doing a limit break combo, see how much meter you're gonna get

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>>539446521
but taking 50% of your life meterless is fine.

>>539446498
Yeah SF6 will just keep on having the most players and the most entered tournaments and the highest retention rate of new players.... That's really awful

>>539446740
Go outside and see how many people you need to talk to before one of them knows what SF6 is.

>>Bbbut the convention full of dedicated fans arrived

>>539440103
This but unironically. Actually well-designed fighters give you agency in every combo so that you continue to play against the opponent even when comboing and getting comboed instead of putting the controller down while the opponent plays a 20 second rhythm game.

>>539446703
yeah
you have two health bars my nig
>>539446627
i do, i guess i should've clarified it's hard if you're also using level 1's from time to time compared to other fighting games

A bunch of characters have "low hitting" buttons that aren't actually lows for balance reasons but it means they can't use them to punish retreating guard. Sucks man.

Vi's fat futa cock inside her sister.

>>539446498
street fighter will never reach sf2's heights again because fighting games aren't the de facto multiplayer game like they were in the 90's

>>539446881
Are we pretending like League isn't all centralised in Korea and Japan again lol
>Inb4 arcane
If we're talking about that then you have to acknowledge SF as a series and way more people know about it than league lol

>>539447097
It's a huge problem in fighting games in general where it's impossible to tell the properties of the move by just looking at it. It's not hard to design moves that aren't lows not to look like lows, but it feels like devs have artists and animators make the moves first and then start assigning properties to them and seeing if they are balanced.

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Once this game has 20 champs it'll be the best fighting game ever made
Unironically

>>539448030
Xayah feels like they'd force a dual release with Rakan. Unless they integrate him into her kit.

>>539448030
Can't wait for 2035

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>>539448240
Yeah that's what sucks fuck that guy

>>539447246
Insane cope

$11 billion dollars is roughly $24 billion dollars in today's money
meanwhile $350 million dollars is equal to $164 million dollars in the early 90's.

STREET FIGHTER 6 is doing as well as games like
>Commando 1985
>Pit-Figher 1990
>Centipede 1991
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Arcade_games

which means that With SF in MASSIVE decline you cannot just LOOK at SF and say WELL THEYRE DOING IT SO IT MUST BE OKAY

When we already know the game is insanely irrelevant in the west with 90% of the player base being based in Japan. >>539446165

Thats like trying to talk about Pachinko machines when talking about Las Vegas Roulette machines.

>>539448601
This dude got throw looped lmao

so is there a place to see all the BnBs for characters yet?

>>539448705
Just write "2xKO <character name> ToD combo" into Youtube.

>>539449308
grim

are lobbies down?

>>539447060
which fighters let you press buttons while getting combo'd

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>30 second combo
>oki
>30 second combo
>next character swaps in
>30 second combo
>restand
>game winning mixup
i'm getting sick of seeing my own combo

What characters can actually combo after an otg? Most moves hit otg, but I can't follow up for the life of me.
Specifically, I want to follow up after Illaoi overhead special.

>>539450013
Dead or Alive

>>539450013
melty
2xko with sidekick fuse

>>539450141
Melty most certainly DOES NOT

>>539450195
what are you on about dude

>>539450092
Its really not interesting to watch, win or lose.
Truly dogshit game they have hobbled together with 20 years of retarded ideas.

Fighting game players know less and less about proper universal laws of game design, fairness, and fun as time goes on.

Stop hiring these retards to design games.

>>539450094
You can always push an assist button, anon...

>>539450092
Medium medium special bros, we won.....

>>539450092
>reduce combo length
>maintain current combo damage
Game improved instantly

>>539450648
>>maintain current combo damage
tods off 2L? why?

>>539448601
that has nothing to do with my reply?

>>539450687
i agree i'd tone it down but you gotta throw the animefighters a bone
they aren't going anywhere and they are professionals at making a big stink

>>539450776
Don't reply to /fgg/ shitposters

>>539450776
The fucking point is SF6 is irrelevant to the landscape of fighting game aside from shills and the japanese

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if we keep telling ourselves this is the greatest fg of all time it will eventually be true
trust

>>539450013
Killer Instinct gives you a combo breaker opportunity for every combo. It's the best combo breaker system I've seen in a fighting game and it's absurd that no other fighter has copied it, it's so fucking good. Man, I wish Microsoft was doing another KI instead of an another shitty tag fighter.

>>539450013
any game lets you do that


most dont do anything when you press tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>539452413
Imagine the concept of allowing player 1 and player 2 to participate in the game

NONOONO I MMUST LAND MY 80 SECOND COMBO INTO OKI MIX EVERY TIME

ekko is so fucking sick
wish he was in a different game

>>539452871
guest character in tokon, trust

>>539452271
i didn't say it was

>>539453412
Please retard educate everyone here on your vast knowledge of fighting games.

>you can combo Darius 5H into S1 on counterhit
>grounded hitstun proration actually exists in this game and means after headbutt 5M5H 6S2 you're +8 instead of +13 so you can't go into the regular route and there's no real advantage to getting the counterhit in the first place
Am I missing something or is it just lame and gay on purpose?

>>539454017
Make a post on the forums about it.

>>539454017
>counterhits
that's a thing in this game?

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>>539379932
They had them in the other beta, I'm not sure why this one launched without them

>>539448030
>Once this game has 20 champs it'll be the best fighting game ever made
by the time it has 20 characters Marvel Tokon will have announced it's sequel

>>539453704
ok well left right mixups make you guess to block right or left high low mixups make you guess to block for an overhead or low and f shikis abuse long blockstun from a crouching block to follow up with an overhead that's guaranteed to land

>>539446414
>maybe if 2XKO had a better artstyle, some of the jap league players would play it
no because they still don't care about tag games, its basically only americans that care about tag fighters

>>539455174
the best dbfz player was a nip

https://x.com/Play2XKO/status/1968359295181013301

>>539455547
>THE EXCEPTION IS THE RULE ACTUALLY!
you're all fucking terrible at arguing, get off twitter.

>>539455760
he kinda owned u lil gup

>>539455174
exactly, theres no reason to appeal to japs when they're going to overlook the game anyways.

ladies and femboy's I present to you Exhibit B >>539455971

am i hallucinating or the previous betas had uncapped fps during combat? Why did they locked to 60 now?
inb4 b..but fightans always had 6-I KNOW YOU FUCKING MORON
2xko was the exception and you can decouple game logic from rendering

>>539457428
what does that have to do with my post

>>539457428
Wouldn't matter anyway since the animations are a slideshow in 2xko

>>539457705
i fart in your face I FART IN YOUR FUCKING FACE

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>>539450580
just had ptsd
don't say those words in that succession again

>>539455596
vs jinx's minigun into rocket

>If you aren't point blank you can jump the gap between the minigun and rocket then stick out a button to counter hit the 2H attempt
>Parry the rocket then dash up for pressure, characters with long range buttons/specials can outright punish here. Darius parry into S2 will usually hit
>Retreating guard to push yourself back to make space to jump

It changes when she has zap though, if she does minigun into zap then she will clip your jump.
It also changes if she just calls assist to keep the string true into beam super tag which is bullshit
They should really change the parry mechanics vs multi hits to just auto parry the entire move because she can't true blockstring into minigun but you have to time your parrys correctly or you get punished

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>friend signs up for the beta out of curiosity
>he gets an invite 1 hour later
that can't be a good sign

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why the fuck I can ToD from a 2L lmaooo

>>539460613
I'm pretty sure they're not being strict about this beta and limit testing the network, my little brother hasn't played league or any riot game much in years and got in

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How active is this game compared to games like SF6?

>>539460613
Yeah its not a good sign, this shit is DOA

>>539460719
THE GAME HAS SAUCE BRO!!!!

>>539460613
>>539461265
>>539461489
Why would getting an invite quick be a bad thing?
I don't usually sign up for betas so genuinely asking out of ignorance

>>539461691
low demand, or low server stress = no one playing
they also don't have a proper forum set up for ANY feedback

>>539460719
Because out of all the mechanics they jammed into the game, somehow combo proration wasn't one of them. Parry also has zero proration so you can get your entire team wiped out in a single combo if they successfully parry during a mix-up that used an assist.

>>539461413
karina!

>>539460613
I had a friend that signed up before the beta and didn't get it till yesterday, meanwhile I got in days before and I never signed up. I don't think it means anything they are just inconsistent with invites

>>539461880
Proration is there but it's not done right. Minimum is 15%, 45% for supers and it seems like some moves have much higher minimum scaling. Yasuo S2/j2S for example doesn't seem to go below 40% which is why all the twitter combos suddenly switched from the stance cancel stuff to just looping 3 of them in a row.

>>539461879
>also don't have a proper forum set up for ANY feedback
I didn't even think about this, what the hell
Even indie games like Subnautica were really aggressive about getting feedback to the point where they had a feedback/bug report button on their pause screen

this game needs 2 more years in the oven,
and by these dev's pace that = 6 years.

>>539462170
There's scaling but no initial proration, ie. your combo starting from parry/2L is going to do the exact same amount of damage as a 5H starter, minus of course the damage differential of the starter itself. In other games, the starter itself applies additional scaling, so for example SF6 Perfect parry combo does fuck-all damage, because even Woshige managed to realize that mashing parry on defense and turning the entire game around with your opponent taking 60% damage and ending up in the corner is kind of dumb.

>>539462641
Please do not give woshige any credit.

>>539462173
riot deleted their own league forums as well a while ago and just uses reddit now

>>539462170
>>539463053
>>539461880
chances they fix it? I like the game as a concept + I'm an ex league player, butit's wayyy too kusoge to take it seriously

Don't praise SF6 or else the schizo will have a meltdown

>>539450648
>2xko would be better if it was Strive

>>539450648
No it wouldn't, god i hate you casuals

>>539462641
Difference is in sf6 you can literally hold the parry button if you fail a perfect and there's hardly any downside to just holding it down on wakeup, you can't mash it here since it costs a bar

>>539463446
it just is the king of the genre though

there are more than 14k+ coments reddit begging thread for invites for this game and you people thinkthis game will fail kek.

I am betting that the game will have over 1 million concurrent players per day.

>>539463936
Trying to parry makes you take extra damage and lose extra drive from a throw, which is a very big downside since almost the entire cast relies exclusively on strike-throw to mix you on wake-up and all the good characters have a throw loop.
But that's beside the point, it was just a random example. For another, ArcSys games have additional proration on light starters so you don't get blown-up as badly from getting mashed on while on offense. Initial proration depending on the starter is very common mechanic in fighters, especially ones that allow cancelling normals into other normals.

>>539463968
So true everyone outside of asia >>539446165 plays it I swear and It almost made as much money as "Goddess of Victory: Nikke"

>>539464672
>Trying to parry makes you take extra damage
You are the biggest dumbest fattest ugliest most retarded retard I have ever seen on this planet.

>jinx can cast minigun, call assist, tag out, continue holding minigun as the point starts pressure and then still cast rocket, rocket jump or zap on demand WHILE TAGGED OUT if point inputs their S2
Holy FUCKKK
its so fucking sick

>>539465367
I cast retreating guard 18 times

>>539464171
14K players divided by 20 is 700. Youll be lucky to have that number online post launch if they don't fix this shit.

>>539465291
Punish counter causes extra damage. If you throw someone on wake-up who is trying to parry, they take extra damage from the throw in SF6.
I think it is you who is the dumbest gorilla nigger in this scenario.

>>539447240
It's ahri for me
https://youtu.be/3g3DSwN6pcA?si=HGtjR-tOB0GltCia

>>539463907
I know you hate casuals, you hate the idea of anyone posing you any threat in the game, you want your light / medium into combo to last as long as possible, corner carry do as much damage as possible and set you up for oki / reset so you can do it all over again.

God forbid player 2 gets to breath.
This is why nobody will play this shit 1 month after launch.

>>539465586
Oh but lil bro you already identified that qualifier already
HOW EXACTLY DO I TAKE MORE DAMAGE FROM NON THROWS DURING OR AFTER PARRY ATTEMPTS IM TRUELY CURIOUS

>>539465472
bro game isnt even out on consoles tho. Once you add those numbers it will easily have more then milion plaers average per day.

>>539465913
I'm sure it will be huge for less than a month too lil bro.

>>539465586
Not him but the extra damage is basically irrelevant because the oki doesn't change, taking an extra half a throw in a game with 60% corner bnbs is fine when if you guess right you get to throw loop them back. It's why parries were the only system mechanic nerfs in the season patch.

>>539466031
Like lol and valorant right? Riot knows what they are doing.

>>539465810
I never claimed you take extra damage from non-throws when trying to parry. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

>>539466180
LoL is a hugbox game where you can just do whatever and get by
Valorant is an FPS so you already know thats the case
2xKO is a dense game with long ass combos and little breathing room for the average normie.

The only game in this genre that had any staying power online was DBFZ because of the insanely large fanbase of DBZ enjoyers of which who were begging for a 2D fighter since "Ultimate Battle 22"

This game will fizzle out faster than you can sneeze

>>539466257
maybe you should learn how to write dumb faggot

>>539466459
we will see. I think has a bright future and I trust in Riot.

>>539465675
lowering combo times would do jack shit for player retention. no casual think theres any difference between either since when they play it'll just be spamming pulse combos and jump attacking back and forth over and over again. no non-casual will care because none of them are stupid enough to play what is basically an anime tag fighter and expect a game with short combos.

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>>539467141
Do you know what the #1 complaint from LOL players is when they try to play Dota2?

The stuns are too long

>>539465652
That wine/burgundy Ahri should be an alt color.

wtf my chat in lobbies isn't working

>>539467251
LOL players aren't people

>>539467251
the complaint about stuns being too long isn't literally about them not being able to play the game for that long, it's about thinking that it's too strong of a crowd control move.

What are you guys doing with Illaoi tentacle summon super? At the end of a combo, with Blitz I can't do much but stall until it ends so I can grab and get a followup from the tentacle for a 2 hit kill (still more damage than DHCing from her other super). I don't think Blitz gets much out of it on block, but I didn't work on it yet.

>>539460613
people that get into the beta get like 3 invites, it being a closed beta is just a formality and an excuse to why the game doesn't have much, it's basically already released

I can't do it bros...
I picked up Yasuo for the cool anime swordsman shtick but I can't for the life of me do hit that jump s2 after the stance + upward slash that seems to be present in all his combos. Should I pick someone else? How's illaoi?

>>539468035
you can do it, just train more
i practice doing a 2 hit combo 1000 times when i wake up in the morning, and 1000 times again before i sleep, tomorrow i will do it 2000 times again but i will add a 3rd hit

>>539467557
retard, they don't like not being able to move for long periods of time. to them the balance concern comes second.

stop hoarding keys you dum-dums

Any body needs a key?

>>539468446
it is an entirely a balance concern though, they aren't thinking about losing a few seconds in a 30+ minute match and then going back to league because they "move more". and dota does not have people leaving in droves to LoL just because the stun times are, in general, a little shorter, most casuals don't care either way.

>>539469726
you're a fucking retard making up arguments that no one is making.
what the fuck are you even on about
just type I DISAGREE instead you stupid fucking moron. You don't know shit.

>made someone quit mid game by winning in 2 interactions(random 5M and a throw)
kekekek this game is so funny

>>539469824
you're the one randomly bringing up dota/lol stun times. I'm trying to make the point that it doesn't matter if stun times are longer or combo times are longer it's not what keeps most people from playing either game, and if you're the one who believes that either of these things are the deciding factor on what makes any of these games popular then you don't know what you're talking about.

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>see opponent pressing something
>assist blitzcrank + laser super with jinx
>swap to blitzcrank and watch him slowly run towards his free almost ToD combo as the opponent is stuck in the laser
not only it's completely retarded, it also looks completely stupid

>>539470496
THE FUCKING POINT IS THE MAIN REASON TO MAKE THIS GAME WAS TO BRING IN LOLS LARGE FUCKING AUDIENCE YOU MASSIVE FUCKING DUNCE

>>539470960
never played league, i'm only playing this because it's a fighting game, if they expected anything but people like me then lol

man I really hope ranked is good I have like 90% WR and I'm not even a top fighting game player

>>539470960
it's literally not though, riot is making a fighting game to appeal to westerners and not people like koreans who make up a huge portion of the LOL audience. they're trying to break into the fighting game scene, not a fighting game whose main player base is LOL players only. They've realized that with games like LOR that slapping league onto something won't bring the players in by itself. The whole reason its a tag fighter and not something more traditional is specifically to appeal to those people.

>>539471890
You just keep digging a bigger and bigger hole for your stupid fucking retard brain
the reason its a tag game is because the fucking dev team loves marvel games
the reason its using the LOL ip is to CAPITALIZE ON THE LOL FANBASE
Are you fucking retarded?
Are you?
Are you a fucking retard?
Hello?
Retard?

ITS REALLY NOT COMPLICATED DUNG EATER

>>539471784
Just wait until the more of the faggots learn how to bait you to them and do 50% meterless combos from lights.
Oh you want to zone them out ? LMAO just do the same thing they are doing lmao! Game design! I'm a game designer! lol!

>>539472150
why are you so upset and why do you think LoL players would be interested in a fighting game?

>>539472150
>completely losing it
Mind status?

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>>539472493
WHO SAID I THINK THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED? CLEARLY YOURE PAYING A FUCKING DEV TEAM TO CREATE SOMETHING YOURE BANKING ON THEM MAKING SOMETHING WITH THEIR IP FOR THEIR FANS ITS NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE YOU STUPID FUCKING WASTE OF RESOURCES

>>539472150
yes anon they are using LOL characters because its safer than using original characters, they know they can't get away with that like they did in valorant because fighting games are niche where FPS games are huge. my point is this game isn't solely made to attract only people from LOL. it's hoping to draw in players from the FGC which is where the ACTUAL playerbase of fighting games comes from. if the game was solely meant to appeal to LoL players than they would have made an entirely different different fighting game to appeal to them.

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WE DID IT !!!!

>>539472841
OH NOW YOU AGREE WITH MY POINT YOU FUCKING DICK SUCKER?

>it's literally not though,
>my point is this game isn't solely made to attract

ROPE YOURSELF TROLL FAGGOT

>>539472686
or riot just wants to branch out into other genres like they have been doing, all because they decided to use LoL characters doesn't mean it's a game for LoL players, it means it's easier to develop because you already have character designs made for you
if they don't already like fighting games they aren't going to play it no matter how the gameplay is designed, sure there may be edge cases where some LoL players get into fighting games for the first time because of this game, but in no world could that be a normal occurrence and riot knows that, that's why they hired fighting game players to develop the game instead of league players, because it's a game for fighting game players

>>539473367
Congrats you are on the path to failure if you unironically believe this

>>539473191
no anon you said "the main reason", its not the main reason, a fighting game meant to appeal to LoLfags first and foremost would fizzle and die. they know this which is which they use the characters to break into the genre but try the tag team gameplay to appeal to the FGC, which is where the longterm playerbase will be.

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>>539473367
Yeah fighting game players love Special 1 and Special 2
its truely for fighting game fans and only fighting game fans
heres a picture I found of you

>>539473515
if everything Riot does is to capitalize on League's success and try to capture the League audience, why didn't Valorant use League characters?

>>539473819
They could if they wanted to you dumb fuck
but guess what they did for 2xko
BUT OH WE ACTUALLY DONT WANT ANY LOL PLAYERS TO SEE OR HEARD WE MADE THIS
ACTUALLY LETS HIDE IT FROM THE RIOT LAUNCHER

>>539406103
>i am not sexually attracted to ahri. never have been, don't find her particularly hot in 2XKO
2xko is the new horror engine

>>539473934
combos are staying long haha

>>539406103
shes a lot better once you have boots and some cheap AP items

>>539473367
>or riot just wants to branch out into other genres like they have been doing
to try and save a sinking ship yes
>all because they decided to use LoL characters doesn't mean it's a game for LoL players
nah man if they weren't concerned about appealing to LoL characters they wouldn't use them, but they do and they also specifically used Arcane designs, they are very much hoping both LoL players and Arcane fans jump onto the game and really if the game actually want to have a life it needs to get those audiences too in addition to the autistic FGC tag fans
>it means it's easier to develop because you already have character designs made for you
It should, but 9 characters after 6+ years proves it didn't help this team.
>if they don't already like fighting games they aren't going to play it no matter how the gameplay is designed
This is cope, people who didn't play fighting game before find love in the genre constantly, are we gonna forget how Strive brought in tons of people? are we gonna forget how SF6 literally caused tons of people to play FGs, especially in Japan? are we seriously gonna say that the SFIV playerbase were just people that already liked fighting games?
This is cope, a fighting game should try and make you a fan, to say its only for people that already like it is just admitting its a failure.

>>539465675
cry bitch i do NOT care if shitty ass casuals enjoy fighting games. they should be catered to the people that actually want to play it. not mash like a retard and feel rewarded for their stupidity. suck my dick.

>>539474006
then it will fizzle out quickly. Enjoy your long combos for a month or two. Casual audiences do not want to play some long combo coin flipper game.
And Hardcore audiences will stick to whatever game they believe takes more skill than a game with two special buttons.

They were better off making a smash clone.

>>539474239
>Hardcore audiences will stick to whatever game they believe takes more skill than a game with two special buttons.
2xko is harder than any other fighting game on the market right now, no fighting game player thinks motion inputs are hard, they think 2xko would be easier if it had motion inputs instead of 2 special buttons

Best partner for Darius?
I've been using Illaoi because both are top laners but I'm thinking of picking something more meta (unless it's giga lame)

>>539473367
>that's why they hired fighting game players to develop the game instead of league players, because it's a game for fighting game players
also forgot this, this is genuinely just stupid, Riot didn't buy the studio 10 years ago to make a small little niche fighter just for fighting game fans, they bought it because they wanted a big f2p fighting game with broad appeal, the Cannon brothers were just better at selling themselves and were cheap in 2016.

>>539474239
ive never seen someone craah out so hard from losing, its not even ranked dude why are you so mad?

>>539474231
>cry bitch i do NOT care if shitty ass casuals enjoy fighting games. they should be catered to the people that actually want to play it.
>>539474212
>This is cope, a fighting game should try and make you a fan, to say its only for people that already like it is just admitting its a failure.

You can tell these people are bronze/silver in every other game and fail to see the bigger picture. The honeymoon phase will end and you will be hit with reality, but dont worry when its all dust and tumble weeds we will be here to say "I told you so"

>>539474384
It really doesn't matter. You can find any kind of fucked up shit no matter your second character. Pick your favorites and then go into training mode and see what kind of messed up stuff you can do.

>>539474442
ur bad lmao

>>539474453
i'm good at literally every game I play, because I don't sit there and bitch and say the game needs to be catered to my retarded ass if I suck. once again, suck my dick. i don't care if casuals want to play fighting games. never did, never will.

i would rape you in league, dota, whatever the fuck. git good or fuck off we do NOT care about your shitty opinions.

>>539474453
them being low rank is pretty irrelevant, it's more they're just dumb and trying to pretend Riot isn't obviously trying leverage the LoL IP to get their huge playerbase onto other games.
This isn't bad by the way, it's just common sense, Marvel Tokon is also trying to get Marvel fans with the IP, it's just how using IPs works.

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>>539474472
fair enough

>>539474453
>You can tell these people are bronze/silver in every other game and fail to see the bigger picture.
way to assume things, you do realize that every fighting game is trying to get new players right? if they didn't try and appeal to new people the genre would've died in the 90s.
>>539474453
>The honeymoon phase will end and you will be hit with reality, but dont worry when its all dust and tumble weeds we will be here to say "I told you so"
I think you're being really mad right now because you don't even seem to understand who you're arguing against

>>539474717
people don't understand in fighting games catering to casuals does nothing to maintain player count. all it does is make the actual players suffer. look at tekken 8 for example, it's a game that's been heavily casualized. they added a ton of offensive mechanics and hurt defense the best they can. they made is easy as hell to abuse your opponent and feel good about mashing buttons. It isn't as successful at 7 because it's flat out a worse game from top to bottom. 7 was WAY harder, and casuals and competitive players alike enjoyed it because it was a good product.

same with sf4 to 5. they removed the 1f links, removed fucked up oki, nerfed fireballs/zoning, made anti airing easier, etc. and what was the result? 4 was higher selling and more played because it was a better game.

2xko is a great game. they put a lot of effort into making this game and you can tell once you play it. yes the roster sucks. yes the dev cycle was terrible. but the game itself is very good. casuals will enjoy it because it's fun. duos are fun. you don't need to hit TODs and fucked up mixups every touch to have fun. there's plenty of shit in this game that's not only easy to do, but strong and easily abusable that casuals will enjoy. a casual vs a competitive player should ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SHIT in any game, ever. that's the mark of a good fucking game.

>>539475054
reading comprehension
you know what
>green text
is right?

>>539474717
uhh wrong LOL players would never play fighting games why would riot try to make a game with characters they love or try to cater to them like they obviously did not do for 2XKO ? I mean its called 2XKO not League Fighters it could be any characters just like valorant doodz

>>539474717
the point isn't that they aren't trying to leverage their IPs it's that if that was their main draw for their playerbase then they would have made a game that more catered to them. putting league characters in a game and then making a game league players wouldn't want to play with no other playerbase in mind to appeal to long term is asking for a failure.

>>539475242
Congrats you have noticed the first failure step of appealing to casuals in modern game design
Hey did you know you can actually design a game that casuals and hard core gamers enjoy and like to play?

Did you know that in Street Fighter 2 if you press a heavy punch or a throw you deal 20% of the opponents life?
Thats pretty big damage for a masher casual to pick up and enjoy the game!
Do you know how much damage those buttons do in modern games?
Want to guess?
Ill give you a hint its between. 8% and 12%