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mina's farts smell like blood

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-04-2025-update.80693/

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

Threadlocked: >>539412279
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mina ha!!!!
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Waiting with great anticipation for Mina to get her face caved in by the nerf hammer
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>>539490598
>skin isn't purple
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>>539490692
no
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>>539490837
Same my fellow shitlowbro, hoping that comes alongside Haze and Bebop nerfs!
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>>539491774
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The black wοman of Valve unοriginality.
These are TWΟ different characters.
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>>539492150
So what I'm getting from this is that Seven fucking sucks and needs to be buffed. Got it.
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>Get fucking nuked by gun paige
Holy fuck she fucking hurts
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>>539492150
they got 0/11 hazes even in eternus
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>>539492150
>13-1
>still only accounted for 10% of gold
So basically the Baus strategy of retard farming 24/7 and dying constantly seems to be the best possible option
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SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
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>>539492303
She has the lowest deaths in the lobby.
She's Vindicta 2.0 in that she's played by waifufags that are utter dogshit at the game so her winrate is always low despite the hero being literally hitler.
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>>539492150
Bebop, Billy, and Holliday did all the work btw
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>>539492150
Even these "pro" games are an unbalanced broken mess.
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>>539492150
Your pubs are not like pro games LOL
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>>539492694
It's still a snowball game
If you get ahead early with a competent team it's hard to lose.
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>>539492694
as far as I know every pro game is a stomp and laning phase decides the outcome
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>>539492850
And yet people are playing this joke competitively.
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>constant seething over the devs listening too much to pros supposedly
>some ritualisttard sees a mina overperforming in a pro game
>calls for nerfs
this general is so dishonest
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>>539492150
Wow I think I played with the left team
Didn't know I was playing with pros
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>>539493030
>>constant seething over the devs listening too much to pros supposedly
tell me with a straight face that the gameplay has improved and is on a good spot
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>>539493103
i think you're misunderstanding my post, I'm not defending balancing around pros, simply pointing out how retarded it is to call for buffs/nerfs over pro games
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>point out that mina has clear strengths
>NOOOOOOOOO SHE HAS A LOW WINRATE IT DOESNT COUNT
>pros do the whole "never get caught" and "instakill objectives" thing
>NOOOOOOOOO IT DOESNT COUNT SHE'S WEEAAAAAK


lmao
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>>539493342
eternus matches are nowhere near the level of pro matches and you think your initiate games are? lrn2buy slowing hex timmy
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>>539493481
the name is TIMOTHEUS, get it right cletus
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I play Abams and Pawadox and instakill Mina so I don't know what all the fuss is about
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>>539493212
Your statement opens with the implication that the general is retarded and that the general feelings about the way the devs are balancing is incorrect, if you then back walk and say that the general is correct then the entire post and opinion goes to shit.

Dumb nigger.
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>>539490598
>deadlock general /dlg/
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You guys find it odd the people whining about Mina never share what heroes they play?
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>>539490598
drifter chads how the fuck do I stack up and go crazy I keep all inning and they just bite my balls off
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tank tierlist
>mo n kill yourself
>billy
>abrams
>geist
>victor
why did they have to make my boy so useless outside spirit only teams (without draft btw), fuck redditors and pisslow crybabies
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Have you guys realized yet that Tanks run this game?
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>>539493961
they really don't, it's just that mokrill is allowed to be permabroken
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>>539493780
You ever notice how when people make fun of me they don't volunteer material for me to bully them with?
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Watching the DNS right now and it's comforting how even pros do blatantly throwing plays.
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>>539493961
80% of /dlg/ will still tell you with a straight face mo and abrams aren't strong so
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>>539494495
I don't think it's physically possible for a team with both an Abrams and a Billy to lose, genuinely. They'd need to be massive throwers.
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>MINA IS SO BROKEN NERF NERF NERF
>MINA IS SO AWFUL BUFF BUFF BUFF
i just think she's a cute vampire and i like glass cannon characters
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>>539494495
abrams is really strong, mo is just straight broken nigger tier. fuck yoshi for allowing this character to exist
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>>539494661
uhhh dude only tanky heroes like warden or abrams should be allowed to do damage
>>539494654
people will tell you "just parry bro!" like their kits aren't great otherwise, shit abrams hasn't dipped below 50% winrate in basically the entire game's lifespan and his ult is a meme
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Mina is in a good spot but simply way too strong at laning. They should nerf her laning by adjusting her scaling.
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>>539494967
laning is basically all she's good at and suppressor and spirit shielding are a thing
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>>539495050
The ongoing deadlock night shift game proves you entirely wrong for one.
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i dont get how you play infernus like he just runs at people and dies
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>>539495050
>a genuine mina downplayer
hello initiate brotha
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>>539495235
you need to light them on fire first
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>>539495235
flame dash is your best source of damage for lane, and remains until you max your afterburn. always put 2 levels into dash at the start to maximize your early dps.
once you start doing good damage with your M1/afterburn you should exclusively use dash to escape.
you can use every other ability while flame dashing, by the way. shooting, throwing napalm and using your ultimate.
if you light people on fire, the flame dash will also reset the burn
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>>539495167
>1 pro game means this hero is broken!
seekerbro...
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is it possible to animation cancel the parry? yesterday I got parried by a Paige while she was in the middle of shooting me, and kept shooting me as I was parried. it was like an automatic thing. any item that does this? or is that hax?
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>>539495664
>1 game
enjoy the nerfs
>>539492150
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>>539495814
video? you can download a replay demo of the game
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>>539495664
She's been picked in every match today
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>>539495989
>>539495879
what does this have to do with your archon lobbies though
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>>539492694
it's a moba, sir
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>>539496148
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>>539496148
why are you such a niggerfaggot mina downplayer
better learn a new hero before the nerf next patch
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uhhh... mina good when played good player... but i play mina, mina weak?
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>>539496323
so the devs should nerf every hero that performs well in the top 0.001%?
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>get on
>play two to three matches
>get bored
>stop playing for the day
Game is too disjointed and none of the mechanics resonate with each other.
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>>539496548
Are you capable of elaborating?
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>>539496417
i play honest heroes like doorman, lash, and bebop though
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>>539496668
You people are not worth the effort.
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>>539496740
>any of those heroes
>honest
ahahahahaha
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>>539496929
what heroes do you play?
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>>539496821
That's a convenient "No"
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>>539496740
>honest heroes like doorman, lash
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my drifter strategy of sitting in juke rooms around the enemy's jungle no longer works because I ranked up
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does heroic aura stack
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>>539497019
Doorman is one of the highest skill expression heroes in the game unironically
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>>539495895
check it
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>>539497113
with other heroic auras?
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>>539497019
Doorman is lousy, so he's honest.
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>>539496968
post-nerf victor
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I like Holiday but having to press melee everytime I throw a barrel to get it to go where I want kinda sucks. Throw should be the default and roll should be like, hold 1, or something
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>People complaining about Mina and Doorman
What the fuck is the average rank of /dlg/ jesus christ, you guys are probably more retarded than the leddit
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okay /dlg/. no goalposts, no bullshit, just questions.
>who do you play?
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
discuss.
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
Lash, Wraith, Doorman, Haze, Calico
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Talon
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
Tie between Mo and Seven
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
Phantom
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO MINAS WEAK SHES BAD SHES USELESS
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>>539490598
What are the characters that every time they land on your team they are the worst of the whole match but every time they are on the other team they are godlike?
>>539490837
did she get too many buffs recently? during the laning phase she was doing fuck loads of damage.
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>>539497225
>>539495814
youre whole animation would already cancel early if you get a parry. youre free to move, roll, jump parry punch shoot if you get a parry.

otherwise eat shit
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
Mirage, lately
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Probably Ivy
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
Mo & Krill
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
Alchemist 3
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Is anyone seriously watching this tournament with shit-ass commentary? Also

>NOOO A PRO PLAYER IS GOOD WITH X CHARACTER
>THAT MEANS THAT ME TOO, STUPID SHITTER, COULD BE OVERPOWERED WITH THEM TOO

lmao. Ex League of Legend players, I presume?
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as an honest seven/warden/mo/infernus player mina players need to be stopped, this hero is absurdly broken and we need a hotfix at once that guts her
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>>539497392
>victor, billy, seven when he was shit before shop rework
>sinclair
>lash
>arcanist
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>>539497392
>>who do you play?
Paradox, Haze, McGinnis
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Yamato, Gray Talon
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
mo & krill, lash, infernus
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
Oracle 5
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I'm glad to see the sentiment has changed from Lash being super high skill expression and weak, but I wouldn't exactly call him dishonest. He's very strong but has solid counters, I only wish they'd make his slam less janky
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>>539497392
Lash
McGinnis
Billy
Ritualist
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
paradox, mina, calico, pocket
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
mirage
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
viscous
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
oracle 3
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is the mina whining just one person or is /dlg/ actually this low iq and incapable of buying slowing hex
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>>539497392
>>who do you play?
prio 3: ivy, doorman
prio 2: billy
prio 1: lash, grey talon
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
billy for sure, his kit is all super obvious and extremely risky
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
vindicta
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
archon III
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>>539498386
When the absolute fuck has Lash ever been super high skill expression and weak?
Maybe in the first month he was considered high skill but his insane fucking mobility and damage while not sacrificing anything for that has always made him retarded and a huge rank inflating character.
I genuinely do not remember a single patch where Lash was actually really weak and most patches it is rare that he's not top 5 and perma picked in pro with 50+ish winrate in higher ranks where people are doing everything they can to stop him and like 53% winrate in other ranks.
Hell he's getting picked in pro as we speak.
Not to mention that he has LITERALLY changed the entire map geometry single handledly multiple times solely because of how fucking hard he can abuse almost everything in the game.


Just look at this shit, very quickly after the alpha opened up and it wasn't only retarded valve devs and friends (where he was getting buffs because they didn't know how to play) he was already considered cancer
https://deadlock.wiki/Lash/Update_history
Almost nothing but nerfs and adjustments after that initial discovery process.
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
Bebop, Abrams, Drifter, Haze
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Bebop
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
Viscous
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
Initiate IV
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
Abrams, Pocket, playing more Paradox as of recent. I used to play Haze but she sucks too much right now.
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Billy
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
Viscous
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
Yoshi decided that I should bully new players out of playing the game forever with his rank decay bullshit so I climbed out of Initiate into Alchemist so far
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>>539497392
>who do you play?
Pic related, i don't play any of them well but Abrams and Mcginnis are the only ones I had decent success with.
>who do you think is the most honest character in the game?
Doorman and Vyper. One requires High IQ and the other is so shit you can only do well if you are godlike
>who do you think is the least honest character in the game?
Seven, Victor, Drifter and now Mina
They are way too strong and good in every phase of the game
>HARD MODE: what rank are you?
I have bellow 100 hours.
Apparently I am Initiate 2, which feels weird since I had where I was ranked way above that. Idk how these ranks fucking work. I have 86 games but only 39 victories. Most games either have someone way above rank and they usually end up on the other team.
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It's pretty funny to see a lot of these honest/dishonest opinions.
Like yeah I agree Yamato and Bebop are probably the most honest heroes if they go spirit, you know exactly what they're gonna do, how they're gonna do it and how to put a stop to it, but weapon Yamato and Bebop have also been dishonest nigger cancer that require 2 braincells max several times.
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>there's no counter to being stunned to death
>just buy these item that temporarily makes you immune also you cant use it if you are already stunned

add in diminishing returns. stunned? 50% reduction on the next stun. Then immune for X seconds. Or just a hatred buff, +20% ALL damage per second of being disabled, lasts for 30 seconds, stacks.

Enough of the fucking stuns in this game.


>mo and kril
>doorman
>mina
>infernus
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>>539498386
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>>539499936
Diminishing return has done nothing but made video games boring. there is history of DR across all platforms among different games for different reasons. next youll cry about slows being too long and strong because that's where people will drift towards if people are stuck doing only 1 meaningful stun instead of stacking.
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People are blaming MM because of stomps but I seriously believe it's actually a problem of the game. Every comp game is a complete stomp.

How would you stop the snowball effect without artificially lengthening game time?
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>>539500525
>Every comp game is a complete stomp.
that's because the players themselves are just better
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>>539498995
If only we had IDs
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>>539500525
nerf midgame powerspike heroes
make stealing enemy jungle do quintuple damage and apply antiheal
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>>539499236
lash's gun got some hard nerfs over the year making him a rather poor laner. so most people wrote him off but streamers still abused him. it doesn't really matter how bad he loses lane since he comes online mid-game and then a game-winning ultbot later on
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>>539500434
terrible for my gonads, always empty because of her
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>>539500525
you can't, the only thing you can change is making the early game artificially longer by making heroes and items weaker and power spikes less impactful making the game last longer but more boring
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>>539499936
The stuns are not really the issue, they rarely are, they're a symptom of a bigger problem on the gameplay design.

>mo and krill
The problem is that he's extremely mobile, extremely tanky, shits out damage, can dive insanely easily and pretty much impossible to 1v1.
His one supposed drawback is completely nullified by the hero's kit allowing him to buy so much mobility in combination with burrow completely removing the ability to headshot him at all AND IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH he can also disarm you on an aoe, not only his drawback is not even that big with how much healing and health he has but he has two built in tools to not worry about that whatsoever.
>doorman
The problem is the amount of damage he does and cart being insane CC on a hero that's also a playmaker team oriented support character.
>mina
The problem is Nox Nostra damage in combination with her being impossible to catch, Nox Nostra is one of the most overloaded abilities in the game and after they spent months patching out massive objective damage one shot abilities they kept this on Mina for some unholy reason
>infernus
The problem is literally everything else, he's the hardest carry in the game but also a lane bully, a tank buster, a 1v1er, a teamfighter, a flash farmer, a split pusher, a tank, an escapist, burst damage, sustained damage, weapon damage, spirit damage, etc


The real problem is always the lack of proper downsides, almost a jack of all trades master of all scenario, whenever a hero is being picked you have to ask yourself:
>What am I gaining by picking this?
>What am I losing by picking this?

If you gain almost everything and lose next to nothing congratulations, you have a broken mess.
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>>539500525
It really feels like everything outside of lane trooper farming feels weird as fuck and hard to balance
>Golden buffs can be a huge unknown variable when looking at enemy loadouts
>Stealing jungle is easy as fuck depending on team comp
>Teammates often don't even know how to farm boxes and statues
>Urn is one of the worst objectives they ever could have added and only has now has leaks for what it could be turned into in the future
>Rejuv is aids to counter, the enemy will just throw themselves at you and heavily benefits already tanky characters like Victor
>Mid boss fight is also (sometimes) team comp specific, some teams can duo it in sub 30, some can't.
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>>539492303
>205600 * 0.1 = 20560
>20560 != 41175
?
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right now on DNS eido is making Doorman look broken with proper teamplay. Insane to watch.
https://files.catbox.moe/bxhpnw.mp4
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>>539500525
Remove the jungle and the urn.
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Add draft and fix up the matchmaking and the game is mostly fixed, it's genuinely that simple enough of nothingburger value change patches
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>>539501329
>we're already whining about doorman when he's actually performing for the first time

lol
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>>539492461
>literally hitler
you're on the wrong website.
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>>539501673
Nice 2B skin
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>>539501673
that cart did massive damage. wtf
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>>539493103
the game is in a better state now than it was a year ago.
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Mid Boss needs to be an actual fight so that he doesn't die in 5 seconds and also reasonably softens up the team trying to take him
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>>539501673
idk, feels like hydra nation were just ignoring him. just focus fire him.
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>>539501673
Um excuse me, why is this man using mods? Reported.
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>>539494967
I never realized Sinclair's mustache was that goofy.
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>>539495235
>hehehe, you see that shit?
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>>539501707
>>we're already whining about doorman when he's actually performing for the first time
He was nerfed twice back to back within a week and half since release because of how broken he was
https://deadlock.wiki/The_Doorman/Update_history

And he's STILL performing at the highest levels of play and top ranks because of his overloaded kit, this problem will also get worse overtime due to the amount of plays he can enable.
Why is this general full of low rank revisionists?

>>539501986
>just focus fire him.
He has door warpstone and knockdown with 4 stamina, plus any attempt to chase him would be met with his ult or you getting carted.
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>>539502242
>still overperforming
>46% winrate

bro, we've had over a year of kelvin and other heroes dominating everything, just let the meta develop for a few weeks at least lol
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>>539497380
all the heroes they cry about only have positive win rates at the bottom ranks.
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why did they even make doorman's ult burst damage? shouldn't it just be a DOT while in the hotel?
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>People are calling for Doorman nerfs now
Holy shit thank god the devs don't listen to you retards
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>HOLY SHIT GUYS THE TEAM 30K SOULS AHEAD IS SHITTING ON THE ENEMY TEAM WOW DAMN

Meanwhile the real issue is the enemy team picking brainless "we win lane for free" characters that can brool and push that advantage and there's nothing you can do to stop it because winning lane decides the game.
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When are they nerfing this broken piece of shit?
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>>539492461
>despite the hero being literally hitler
Weird compliment but okay.
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>>539502385
people refuse to buy unstoppable or silence.
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Unstoppable should cost 4800
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>Found out Haze VA is a tranny
Unless they changed it?
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>>539497392
currently learning Lash. next character to learn after Lash is Yamato. going to learn at least the basics of all of them.
characters I currently like get a ^ for priority.

Abrams is probably my current favorite.
most honest hero is probably Dynamo.
most dishonest hero is probably Ivy.
I was Archon during the shop update, took some time off, now I'm Ritualist.
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Someone please explain the shop to me and when I should start fights and back out Mobas are new and scary to me
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>>539502378
well because then you'd still take damage even if you win the little minigame
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>>539502327
>>still overperforming
>>46% winrate


He has 52.61% winrate on eternus
https://tracklock.gg/heroes-tier-list/7d/all/eternus
In fact he has those low winrates on the lower ranks, you opened the site and didn't even look at the data you're spouting.


>>539502638
>bro just spend 6k souls to counter one of the abilities of this extremely slippery character that plays at extremely safe distances
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>>539502739
unless you have an iframe, you already take damage in the minigame
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>>539502747
52% isn't emergency hotfix territory, chill
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REAL chads hit the random button
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>>539502747
>>539502827
>That sample size
Disingenuous subhuman retard
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>>539499936
>dr
go back to wow.
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>guy dies 7 times in lane to yamato before 8 minutes
>runs to our lane and dives the tower alone and feeds our lane too
nice man
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>>539502880
Go on then
Press play.
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why the fuck aren't they picking mina? she's broken cancer, are they stupid?
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>>539503181
only Eido knows how to play her
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>>539501673
two mobility items is crazy
in tryhard matches, is cultist sac still mandatory?
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>>539501673
eido has really good schmovement too, so he can utilize doors properly.
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mina's passive does a shitload of damage now, wtf
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>>539503181
>lash
>yamato
>kelvin

lotta glue for her to deal with probably. also I hope hydra nation loses for the shiv-kelvin cheese lane
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>>539502827
No one said anything about emergency hotfix, the point is Doorman being retarded strong and has been strong since the nano second he was added into the game to the point he needed several nerfs and is still performing.

That was enough to send people on a tard rage BUT MUH DOORMAN because even suggesting that the hero they can't use in their shitty arcanist game with their shitty arcanist knowledge is actually strong as fuck is enough to make their blood boil.

>>539502980
That's Eternus the highest rank in the game no shit it's a lower sample size compared to the other ranks with x100 the amount of players, are you genuinely retarded?
If you actually looked at the data he wasn't even very low on the pick rate, he was picked more than Warden and as much as Kelvin and Wraith.
And look at that, Doorman banned, wonder why.
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>>539502721
just queue a build and autobuy it.
keep fighting so you learn when to fight and when not to.
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>>539503305
why would a mina give a shit about lash or yamato, she can break yamato hook thing very easily, shift out of the telegraphed power slash and silence the yamato which deletes the character, for lash she can avoid pretty much everything he throws at her too
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>>539503448
yea, but both of them coordinating in a comp game over mic? dunno
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>>539503310
point is you shouldn't use a couple hundred matches to justify nerfing any hero, isn't it odd how when i sort by 14 all of a sudden his winrate starts getting lower and lower? and look at all these heroes above him too, you gonna say they don't need nerfs too?
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>>539503181
>Victor pick
scripted throw that's why
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>>539502378
the only way to get out of the hotel fast is if you have some strong mobility skill, like wraith teleport. everybody else has to spend 2-3 stamina dashing and jumping and will barely make it out in time. making it a dot would mean it does full damage 99% of the time.
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>>539503576
>that 10 hp bebop hook
SCRIPTED THROW
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE WATCHING THIS
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>>539502880
you ain't me. >>539502718
and you ain't him. quit frontin'.
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>>539503310
are you Eternus where it affects you? calm down
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>lane phase typically ends when the lane's guardian falls, after this focus more on jungling/neutral farm and helping other lanes
what if i lose my guardian first, though? do i stay in lane while the enemies piss off and push the guardian while they're doing whatever, or should we start running off to neutral farm as well? how important is it to clear creeps and keep lanes pushed up, like is it something i should be doing between camps/sinners or are the camps/sinners higher priority?
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>>539503819
lane phase ends at 8 minutes for your public lobbies.
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>>539503819
>do i stay in lane while the enemies piss off
100%. if the enemies fuck off it's good, they're missing waves
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So what's the Kelvin Shiv cheese
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>Hero I don't like has a high winrate
WTF NERF LOOK AT THEIR WINRATE
>Hero I don't like has a poor winrate
WTF NOT ONLY IS THIS HERO BROKEN BUT RETARDS PLAY THEM DRAGGING DOWN THE WINRATE
>Hero I don't like sees any usage at all in pro play
SEE I TOLD YOU THEY WERE BROKEN
>Hero I don't like sees no usage in pro play
WOW THESE PROS ARE RETARDED THEY HAVENT NOTICED HOW BROKEN THIS HERO IS THEY MUST ALL BE SHITLOW UNLIKE MY RITUALIST SELF
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>>539503819
I stay in lane and let my lane partner go roam or if they're staying in lane I go roam. It's literally the best way to power farm for souls. Checking in on them periodically o see if the enemy gets too ballsy.
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why are they calling baroness hotel a pug team? 5 of them were on melee creeps together? it's just melee creeps without poshypop.
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Calico is actually just a better drifter
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>>539500525
It's both MM and the way the game has been changed overtime to promote brain off gameplay. >Forcing normal and ranked in a single queue completely destroyed a lot of MMRs and forced the DUDE WEED 0/20 seven with Johnny the eternal try hard literally cold sweating trying to fix this mess
>Removing solo lane and forcing you to lane with that same DUDE WEED guy on a game with no rhyme or reason for roles and lane combos means you're basically rolling dice
>Nerfed farming, hard buffed walkers and the amount of souls gained from kills makes carrying games way harder because one single player feeding one player on the enemy team snowballs into an impossible game
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Shiv is dogshit, why do they pick him
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>>539504469
it's just a team they put together for this week
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>>539504476
drifter mogs calico in a 1v1 tho
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>>539503181
>pro
>banning fucking heya hoya man
na this shit is ass
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>>539504119
>be literally stunned for 8+ seconds with mo and doorman
>bro just buy unstoppable and use it a nanosecond before they stun you at 10 minutes
>minas bats hit around corners, 6+ seconds of silence
>hehe

Stuns are a cancer. Nerf in combat healing so we dont need this retard shit
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>>539504502
Kills dont give that many souls
>>539504573
Not really she can cancel his burst combo and wait for teammates and why would she ever get caught in a 1v1 she has cat form
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>>539504516
but it's just melee creeps with a new name and without poshypop.
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>>539504512
If you removed rage and just kept all of the upgrades, would he even be broken?
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>>539504642
NTA but what I know is that kills give enough souls for a T2 item around 20 minutes in but also the bounty varies depending on the networth of the player
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MOMO
DON'T BACK DOWN
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>>539504746
hes broken with rage so having no rage with upgrades, yes he would be broken
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When are we gonna see some Talon nerfs?
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>abandon 2 weeks ago
>15 minute penalty
>abandon today
>6 hour penalty
wtf?
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>50 minute game of dominating but 3 players just roam until they die and continue to feed and refuse to push

I don’t think this game is healthy, it’s just a rage trap.
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They should make speech bubbles appear in game above your character model like good old MMOs. And then get some artist to draw some emotes.
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>>539504803
MORON!!!
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>>539504942
find enjoyment in something other than winning.
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>>539504983
I just want the mouths to move when you talk on the mic, like old school CS.
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>>539504642
>Kills dont give that many souls
Not on their own but it also takes souls from the enemy, eliminates their ability to gain souls, open up objectives, allows you to deathball their jungle, allows you to roam, etc.
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>>539504512
NA just believes in Shiv for some reason, I don't get it.
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>laning with a kelvin
>he does literally nothing except ice beam and then run
>stands behind turret with full health watching me get dived just holding m1
>he's now 0/4
>all chats "man, im too tired for this, yall got it. GG" and quits
>still have to wait 10 mins for the game to lets us quit because he didnt abandon
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I KEEP FORGETTING HOW MUCH THIS STINGS!
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Do replays have dialogue? A Mina in my game said something funny but I didn't screenshot it on time
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Stinktor sweep
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>Player vs. Enemy
THAT'S NOT WHAT PVE STANDS FOR!
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>>539505560
yeh
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>>539505581
am i tweaking or does it stand for "player vs event"
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>>539505560
text, not voice.
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>>539505643
Player vs environment.
It's a MMO term where the distinction is important.
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>game is PUSH AND KILL THE THRONE
>"DUDE YOURE RUINING EVERYONE'S FUN."
>imprisons you into a 45+ minute game
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>>539505643
Player vs. Environment.
Player vs. Player.
and if you're old enough, you would've encountered: Player vs. Monster.
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>>539505560
>A Mina in my game said something funny
i implore you to share it when you find it anon i fucking love chat screenshots
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>>539505710
anyway to get a chatlog? like i dont want to watch the whole match and on 8x and above the replay feature shits itself
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>>539505842
press enter and scroll up.
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>>539505216
so what, that's good
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>>539505943
I am but nothing is happening on replay
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please someone give me drifter tips
he's all I got to remind me of slork I'm so alone without him
I'm using this janky melee build
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I'm pretty sure 95% of my teammates deserve to to be brutally murdered.
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>”victor throwpick” in dns
>You can’t kill me
>0 deaths
how
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>Top 1 NA Deadlock team just got beaten by random matchmaking
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>>539506245
His team was shitting on them so he freefarmed
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>>539505259
>hit grey talon a mile away while he owls with 3 knives
>kills him
>non-stop dashing in combat
>using shotgun as a 3rd jump
>just try and stop me:use dash, any minor bump such as billy or mo breaks it
>functionally garbage until building up some meter and edge himself
>has no stun, self heal, or ability to farm fast
>weapon is garbage in lane
>getting my ultimate spell parried multiple times: priceless

If shiv was released today:

Daggers have a stacking slow, and each dagger hit increases the number of pellets in his gun

shiv move now also heals and gives movement speed

If his ult doesnt kill, shiv will now knock them down and optimus prime style shotgun to the head execution, if they are still alive, stun them for 5 seconds
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>pick viktor
>farm
>win
I love being shitlow bros.
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Every fucking game my teammates just take the most retarded trickle in fights imaginable
Seriously these """"""people""""""" do not deserve to be alive.
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>>539505821
Sadly I think it was lost in a game where nobody loaded in
Found this Talon though
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>>539506080
build for fire rate, mobility and stealth potential with shit like burst fire, point blank, vampiric burst, shadow weave, etc
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>>539506245
enemy team picked drifter and yamato, what was even the plan, how do they kill anything?
where's the brool enablers?
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>>539505560
more images like this?
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>>539506013
chat history shows in your hideout.
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well, /dlg/?
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Do you think Mirage and Nashalla ever.... you know?
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>>539506996
BUT BEBOP IS THE WORST HERO IN THE GAME WAAAAH
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Did they nerf Drifter? He feels weaker now.
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>>539506996
>annoying faggot heros like kelvin, pocket, paradox and mo/krill in the top tiers
yeah i believe it.
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>>539506996
This doesn't tell me anything, where's the winrates?
What's the point of a hero that got picked every game but had 0% winrate.
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>>539506996
I thought Holliday was a big pick in pro play
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>>539507187
They nerfed him near release but not recently, no.
He's just feast and famine and very easy to shutdown.
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>majin buu = viscous
>goku = warden
>spirit bomb = alchemical flask
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>>539501673
must be nice getting 130+ fps in team fights
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>>539507327
she got nerfed pretty hard last week.
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>honest characters
This is a fucking third person shooter with 4 abilities. You know exactly what's coming every single time you see an enemy.
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>>539507571
pretty sure you can get that in 1080p for less than $600, even if you have nothing right now.
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>>539507723
I have a 3060 and 32GB of ram but I think my cpu is what's fucking me over. I can't afford to buy anything new because i've been a neet for the past 3 years
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>>539506996
the only worthwhile stats are the ones that support my narrative specifically
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>>539506996
So the Mina whiners want nerfs for all the heroes above her as well right?
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>>539506996
>Never banned
>In every game and usually picked first
Abrams is truly John Deadlock
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>>539507948
Yes
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>>539506996
Why is owl nigga permabanned
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>>539506996
But you guys told me Wraith and Infernus were broken, I'm confused.
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>>539508092
a good grandpa is fucking misery to play against
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>>539506996
wtf I thought Infernus was OP?!?!?!
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>>539508092
he's BULLSHIT
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>>539508092
>dare be lower than half hp in laning
>FOR THE DJINN
>dare to enter a teamfight
>700+ snipe on charges
this owl nigga is BROKEN
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>>539508092
because at higher levels you cannot exist anywhere on the map if you're below half health
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>>539508117
>>539508172
they are when games last past 30 minutes, like every pub game
these games with more coordination rarely go past 25
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>>539507796
what's your current CPU and motherboard? any 6-core or higher from Zen 3 or later should be able to do it. the nvidia GPU might be handicapping you though.
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>>539508451
i have an i5 10400 and some generic ass motherboard that i don't even remember the name of
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>>539508415
Uh, no dude. Only pro play matters.
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I'm going back to overwatch. More fun fights, more balance. No autistic laning. Feeding doesnt matter. This game is just ass and your teammates are ALWAYS retarded.
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I'm starting to feel lighthearted and my chest is hur
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>>539508415
victor is even more shit without it going that far, yet he won
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>>539508528
>Feeding doesnt matter.
bro is shitlow even in overwatch and doesn't know feeding gives the enemy free ult charge
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>>539508092
>global execution + aoe + stun + nuke
>scales infinitely
>chunks you for 1k on a 3 charge skill with a low cd
>shits out a trap that gives curse and armor shreds in a large aoe
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>>539508092
ult is actually really good if you are playing with a stack that communicates
also does loads of damage with his arrows if you can hit them
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>>539508092
They didn't design his owl with the concept of players communicating with each other in mind.
Also his 1 is stupidly overpowered.
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>>539508591
They played victor as a low damage tank, purely to steal resources on the enemy side of the map, and draw fire in teamfights while not actually pumping much damage. The victor is bad early meme only applies if you're trying to 1v6 hypercarry lol
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>>539508501
>intel + nvidia
sorry broski. it's terminal. hopefully when you collect some money you can correct this.
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>>539508830
is going full AMD the play?
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bayo crossover/homage when
spirit/gun works perfectly with her design
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>>539508645
Shitlow in overwatch is more fun than shitlow in deadlock where the games are determined by which retard goes 0-10 in lane
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The shitlows are whining about Talon now, pro play was a fucking mistake lmao.
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>>539497392
Vindicta, Calico, Pocket, Mina, Yamato
Nobody
Everybody
Alchemist
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>>539508925
>valve
>crossovers
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Paradox
Sweep

Slowly learning to really like late game focus lens. Not sure if it's that good on Paradox since i've only used it this game but the idea of charging up, silencing them so they can't get away, then doing full swap combo (which silences them even further) might stack up even more damage. Also obviously useful for shit like this
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>>539509048
ermmm your sam and max, thoughever????
honestly id be fine with an homage desu
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>>539509164
just buy an actually good 6400 item like curse or crippling headshot
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>>539509048
Dota had some cosmetic crossover stuff.
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>>539509164
as long as your team doesnt have spells debuff remover is good against i really like focus lens, it's nice to get just a bit more damage to 100-0 people
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>>539509048
I always knew chad posters were retarded, now I have undeniable proof.
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>>539509164
curse is just better.
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>>539509164
imo just get curse
at this point in the game the fights are so short and decisive that you won't be able to use focus lens' shorter cooldown anyway
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>>539508893
yes but it's also the worst possible time to buy a GPU. rumors of PS6 are substantially increased RAM. AMD has caught up with upscaling, FSR4 is as good as DLSS now, and they're finally adding Ray Tracing since Sony wants it in the PS6.

Intel is on the downward spiral to bankruptcy and are almost completely gone from DIY, and being replaced by AMD in professional.
NVidia is an AI company, they're becoming Apple, not a gaming hardware company. also their driver instability since the RTX 5000 series has been pathetic. recent scandals over CPU driver overhead too, so if you have a weaker CPU or want to play at higher refresh rates they are the worse option.
AMD has the best CPUs, their GPUs now have enough software that features like DLSS and Ray Tracing are no longer a reason to buy NVidia over AMD.
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>>539509164
genuinely have no idea why would anyone ever buy lens over wave and curse
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The Jacob Lash
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>>539509427
i'll keep this in mind if I end up getting my shit together and start making money again at some point
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I LOVE PARADOX
I LOVE PARADOX
Only killed him because idiot mistimed his cloak tele and doorman carted him into tower
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>>539502487
>Beat the "we win lane for free" duo in lane
>They start roaming instead
>10k souls lead in ten minutes
There is no winning. If you beat them, they'll just feed off of the less competent people on your team.
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>>539509561
forgot webm

>>539509225
>>539509329
>>539509352
>>539509430
focus lens is obviously for the damage, not pure utility of a silence. That's why I specify it as a late game item.
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>>539509776
>obviously for the damage
then buy crippling headshot and land your shots
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>>539509776
it's not good damage though. just buy a damage item

>>539509835
crippling feels really fucking good on paradox
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>>539509776
>Paying 6400 for a "damage item" that is countered by a 3200 item everyone already buys
???
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>>539509551
you can also head over to >>>/g/pcbg when you decide to upgrade, but keep in mind there are paid shills and fangirls in the thread. posting an image of what you're considering and what your budget is and your use case is the best way to get responses.
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i think i have somewhat of a grasp on item building but how do i determine ability upgrade order
obvs some builds are built around a certain ability but how do i know when it's worth it to delay upgrading ability A to get the big upgrade for ability B
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>>539509048
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Promotional_items
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>>539510365
Depends on the match, for example if you're seven and the enemy team has lots of ways to counter your stun, pocket, ivy, dynamo, etc. you would want to prioritize upgrading literally anything else first
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>>539510365
you'll probably notice a trend in the public builds if you look at different ones.
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>>539510380
not him but has valve even made promotional items recently? tf2 was probably the last game that did that with some frequency.
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>>539502721
If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight!
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>>539509835
>>539509917
>>539509927
Silence lens is really good for 1v1 burst damage (which paradox does well). I don't think it's a hard concept to understand, you lens into full combo and they take 1/3rd of the entire damage again. Yeah it can be removed by debuff remover but again that's why i'm getting it late game, the enemy team either has debuff remover or they don't, you can just check their items and if they do then don't bother. Like I said i've only used it for one game so I want to test it out more but I think it has potential. I've used it on other characters where it's more obviously good like haze
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>>539510632
Last promo I remember them doing was some 40k sets in Dota 2? Thing is, it's not happening, this is fucking Valve, they don't do anything with other companies.
Unless you count music kits in CSGO/2.
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>>539510805
yeah but it's not a 6400 item under any circumstance
even on haze just buy 3200 silence wave and invest 3200 on a damage item
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>>539510805
The problem is the opportunity cost of a slot and 6400 souls. Curse isn't dispellable, Crippling Headshot gives you a MASSIVE damage buff as well as being anti-heal, fuck i'd take Glass Cannon over it 9/10 times
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>>539510365
Dude, how is someone supposed to give a blanket generalized response to this??? It's COMPLETELY character specific AND build specific. It can even be matchup specific sometimes.
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>>539510806
they had a hades collab, warhammer collab, halo collab, battlefield collab in cs2
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>>539510806
>this is fucking Valve, they don't do anything with other companies.
You're actually retarded.
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>>539510878
>2 slots
what are you on man
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>>539511259
you have 12 slots nigga
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>sam & max collab
IMAGINE
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if you play Wraith or Seven and your building dmg isn't in the 5 digits they should ban you from this game and physically castrate you without anesthesia
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The 1maxing drifter build is so funny, you actually delete like 70% of people's healthbars instantly
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>>539510002
thanks big dog
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>its another calico and doorman never run the urn game
nice
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>>539512047
why would calico run the urn? it has a movement speed cap
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>>539512113
ljl
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>>539505821
Infernus would say this.
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>shit on someone in lane so hard they leave the game
feels sooo goooood
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>>539511814
I mean that's nearly anyone with an ability that counts as melee, you get so much synergies to buff it.
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Remove shiv, its not even about balance anymore, auto kills are fucking dumb
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>>539506996
Is Geist actually good?
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>>539510365
What hero? It depends. Sometimes you need one sometimes you need another
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>>539512291
>vyper goes 0-1 in two seconds and leaves instantly
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>>539512482
Geist is a weird character in that her impact relies on the correct skill order at the time.
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>>539508995
>0-10 in lane
wtf how low mmr are you? I've seen 4 deaths at worst.
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>>539512639
alchemist or ritualist i think, i cant see my own rank in game just average
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>>539512639
I've unironically seen people die 9 times in 8 minutes in eternus games.
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>>539512725
yeah it's more of a tilt thing
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I've had to scurry like a rat since I was a child, now they will the ones who run.
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>>539513140
Wow way to go 2B from Deadlock
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>>539513140
how do you get it to show the average match elo afterwards like that
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>Infernus and Shiv can kill you with DOT
>Pockets DOT can't kill and leaves you at 1
Such bullshit
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>best personal performance in a while tonight
>30% winrate
that's gambling for you
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>>539513614
One of those is an aoe that applies to a fuck ton of people in an instant and also can't be dispelled with debuff remover...........................
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>Watching friend play
>35 minutes into the match
>Look at abilities
This pains me
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cant wait for the skins to come out for monetization purposes and kill the entire aesthetic of the game lol
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>>539514040
what the fuck
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>stuck in one lane
>if I leave, the enemy player will push and take walker
>if they leave, I will push and take walker
>solo kill not possible since we both retreat to walker whenever we engage on each other
>rest of the team is always fighting elsewhere
What the fuck do I do in this situation?
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>>539514040
>my friend has 800+ games played
>he decides to give Victor a try
>he buys ZERO spirit resist and does 5k damage in 40 minutes
cmon man it's not rocket science, you've seen dozens of fucking victors by now WHY ARE YOU RETARDED
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>>539514159
you stay put and farm up until your teammates kill someone and generate an advantage or a big fight pops off somewhere and your lane opponent is forced to leave
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god bebop just feels so pointless now
Used to main him, now his bombs feel like pokes and the hook->uppercut->bomb combo on gunbop just doesn't hit like it used to. Maybe it's even just the feel of it being so clunky and unsatisfying nowadays, idk.
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>>539510806
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.
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>>539514506
he's an M1 carry now get blood sac and you will never be stunned while pooping out damage
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>>539514556
I'd rather just play an M1 character at that point.
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They killed Bebop because he was a better Paradox.
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Bebop deserved better
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I'm glad they killed bebop
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I'm not
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Bebop is a comp pick right now nigga
Build gun instead of echo shard
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>>539512553
mina
i want to shred objectives with ulti but afaik you straight up need max ult to do that so i'm wondering what i'd lose by just rushing max ult
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>>539515168
I don't give a fuck, I didn't want a fun spirit hero to be turned into another generic hold M1 niggerfaggot
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So is Haze actually voiced by a tranny? Or did devs mask it really well now that it sounds like a girl whispering?
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>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED TO BE HARD REWARDED FOR PRESSING A POINT AND CLICK AAAAA
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>>539515438
Gun trannies btfo
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>win teamfight
>instead of pushing objectives
>two people go into the jungle
>two push but get minimal done
these people are fucking retarded, and of course it was a mina player farming the jungle.
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>>539515525
Pushing objectives early is a surefire way to throw the game, you're better off taking their jungle and urn.
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>>539515253
then you shan't be playing deadtrannycock because that's all this game is: gun builds
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how do i aim while slip and slidin as vyper
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>>539509776
>pocket dives your tower
>while all his minions are still back at the bridge
>while you have all your cooldowns
holy fucking shit man. this must be what my teammates are doing all game.
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>>539516160
he literally said he won a teamfight, there's no reason not to push if there's no resistance, even if you don't get the objs at least you did big damage. anon didn't even clarify if that was early game.
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>>539510805
Dont listen to them. I buy focus lens on drifter every time I can afford it and am ahead. They can't dispel my hp drain skills if they have it, win win
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>>539516194
use your mouse
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what part of of the matchmaking algorithm puts 2 guaranteed retards on your team every game?
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>>539514506
I opened an old copy of the game to compare the combo and something obvious I noticed - you used to be able to uppercut them before they hit the ground after the hook. I feel like this might be a key reason why it 'feels' so shit now.
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>>539516515
it actually only guarantees one retard, anon.
(you)
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>>539515253
Bebop's best build has been gun since his inception you fucking monkey. Bomb has always been pushed because it's funnier and because of AverageJonas gaslighting the entire community as he has personally always despised gun, but Bebop has always done retardedly high gun damage, they even had to giganerf his weapon damage not long ago and he's STILL doing good gun damage. How the fuck do people still think he's a spirit character.
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I feel like I have such a low impact on this hero but I haven't lost yet. I still don't know how to deal damage. I understand the idea of 1+3 and run while those are on cooldown, but maybe I'm just not farming enough so it feels like it's not doing any damage, and my end game screens are reflecting my lack of damage.
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>>539516252
Some people watch streamers play and dive all the time and think they can do it too without knowing how to do it properly and when the right time is. Absolutely no reason to dive paradox there. MAYBE if you had ult but even then, the best that would happen is that she just backs after if you time your skills to not get hit by swap
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>Pick bebop
>hold M1
>pick haze
>hold M1
>pick mirage
>hold M1
>pick infernus
>hold M1
>pick wraith
>hold M1
>pick vyper
>hold m1
sigh
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Alright I've played a dozen games and still have no fucking clue what to do. Always lowest spirit, lowest player damage, highest deaths. Nothing from dota translates to this game.
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>>539516834
You forgot Drifter
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>>539516621
50% of Lash's value is his ultimate. His single-target damage isn't high past midgame, but when you tackle the entire enemy team into one spot and stomp 6 people at once with your ground strike, you deal a lot of spread out damage that helps your teammates finish them off. You can't actually last long in a fight if you face people head on, you rely on your grapple and mobility items to go in and out while you wait for your cooldowns. So his gameplay is about giving his teammates opportunities with this ultimate, and dealing a lot of burst in extended fights.
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Kinda weird that there isn't a single character that wants to immediately max out their ult
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Valve should add a moth inspired hero to the game.
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>>539516834
Oh noooo, there are a whole 7 M1 gun heroes in a game with 32 heroes total... How will retard anon survive?
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>>539516834
>pick Ivy
>hold m1
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>>539517085
drifter maxed ult can turn games if done at the right time
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>>539506996
am i retarded how is dynamo a nothing hero? do pro matches just end too fast for him to be useful?
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>>539517093
There's more though dumbass
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>>539517431
Then play any of the vast majority that aren't.
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>mfw our Paige was building gun because "thats the meta"
take a wild guess how many times she died and how much damage did she actually dealt
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>>539517414
Dynamo feeds off poor communication and lack of awareness. His ult will never matter much if people are well positioned; if you don't black hole at least 2 people in the late game then it's just a worse Mo ult, if you black hole 2 people in the early game then your cooldown is far too long and their respawns are too short. You will never black hole more than one guy because pro players simply won't group up to give you that opportunity. So might as well just play Mo and get the guaranteed pick on a 60 second cooldown.
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>>539517494
If I build gun, how am I gonna shield, heal and protect my teammates? Also Stamina Mastery + Veil Walker is one heck of a rat combo! I use it to get around be on rooftops and yoink my teammates with lifeline when they get in sketchy situations! Going full support has actually increased my winrate significantly!
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>>539517761
Let's have sex
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>>539517895
Good, now get a real artist to fix up all the obvious flaws and we'll have some decent gooner material.
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>>539517761
Full support gameplay is actually much more cerebral and complex than stupid fps nig point and click gameplay. That's a fact
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>>539517865
I'm very iffy with physical contact, most I can offer you is a hug and half my sandwich!
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>>539517414
Dynamo is so dogshit without farm and items. He's been giganerfed long ago and never got any compensation since.
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I tried Victor and I didn't like it.
How can people enjoy this useless waste of a slot?
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>>539518221
>shit pants
>run around people

what's not to like?
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>>539518221
Saiah plays a lot of Victor and just won against the best NA team on Victor and he probably has a build published if you look for it. He's about the only player I've seen make Victor work
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>>539518327
If I wanted to do that I'd just play Abrams.
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>>539518221
When you main source of damage is just being close to the enemy and having nothing in his toolkit to do that in an interesting way, it's a bit shit design wise. It feels bad to have to kill him twice too (or 3 times if he has rejuv, holy shit). We didn't need another lumbering hero like Shiv.
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>enemy team goes full spirit when I’m victor
>literally have 84% spirit resist when I’m at 800 hp left (61% normally)
>die once with 44k damage
ahahahaha, this hero’s winrate will skyrocket with draft
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>enemy team taking midboss
>I'm the only one close enough
>I'm victor
>run in
>these idiots kill me as the rejuv is falling
>my stun procs right as its landing
>they all get stunned
>I parry and they all get stunned again
>my team has arrived, we clean up, take rejuv and win the game
holy lol
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Why do so many people playing this game have main-character syndrome?
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>>539517085
lol, retard.
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>>539516865
lies, it's similar to dota 2 you are probably just mechanically terrible
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>>539517414
singularity is harder to make use of in this game compared to black hole because warp stone doesn't cover an entire screen like blink dagger, it's just a dash length.
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>>539518221
>run around 50000 miles an hour
>be annoying
>heal a lot
its fun. His gun being so utterly shit compared to his 3 is an issue tho.
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>>539517085
viscous, vyper, mo and krill

though some value points in other stuff are usually taken
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>>539518376
His build is literally just the standard one...
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Game seems fun. Is there a good guide for new players? The one in OP is an useless glossary.

I have no idea where boxes and shit are, or when you are supposed to even go get them. Also what's the best thing to do after a parry? Heavy melee or just shoot lots?
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>>539516621
like here's my stats from a match. I just feel very low damage and low farm. I'm typically top damage and farm by a significant margin in this bracket on other heroes. I do manage to not feed with him though. but I think I'm also just playing way less aggressive than I normally do because I don't understand his damage and game-flow yet.
>>539517003
I miss my ult most of the time but I'm still winning. I still don't really understand the range on it, but it seems like I need to literally be on top of people unless I'm close to the ground. I guess that's where all my damage is supposed to come from though, grabbing multiple people and then following up with a 1-3 combo to massive aoe damage.
I'm using discovirtuoso's build if that matters.
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>>539519081
>viscous, vyper, mo and krill
>viscous
right now ball is shit you're trolling if you're running ball
>vyper
are you actually retarded if you're maxing your ult before your slide or venom depending on build?
>mo
ok you're retarded
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>>539517086
Uuuoo moth shake, erotic...
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>don't do too well one game
>their top player who was bm commends me
>next game get him in my lane
>destroy him and the whole lobby
>commend him
revenge is sweet
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>>539519692
bm?
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>>539518913
dota is the sameway
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>>539519759
bad manners, he was talking shit
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>>539516319
>>539516160
It was late game they had 40+ sec respawn
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Shiv buff idea:
make his execute prompt glow when it's actually going to fucking execute
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>>539519901
put it on instant cast
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>>539519065
I think honestly giving victor basekit fleetfoot passive would make it feel not so ass
You are either forced to waste an item slot on a very item-dependent hero to use his gun or you just become omega slow for trying to tickle dmg them with a staples
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I'm not a ranked obsessed fag but why do matches with leavers count as losses? If it's 5v6 from the 10 minute mark there is literally nothing you can do unless the other team sandbags.
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>five of the enemy team is trying to push in our base
>MIDBOSS HAS ARRIVED
>three seconds pass
>THE REJUVINATOR IS DESCENDING
>*clink* *clink* *clink* *clink*
Mina is not fucking okay
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Pocket and Calico are the same hero and do the same thing, Pocket just has higher dps potential in exchange for lower immediate burst

Debate me
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Am I missing something or is Mina's passive objectively better than Mirage's? Aside from the map vision I guess
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>>539520239
DEBATE THIS
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>>539520360
AIEEE MY NECK WHY WOULD YOU VIOLATE MY FREE PEACH
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>>539520248
From a pure damage point, yes. Otherwise Mirage is easier to apply directly (at least for the initial burst) and the map vision does help see where enemies are hiding or if they're preparing for a gank.
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Do you think per-bullet effects will ever count individual shotgun pellets as separate bullets, or would that make them too much of a menace (like Abrams immediately building like 8 stacks of ER on a meatshot)?
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So how do you counter abrams?
I had armour piercing and crippling headshot and I still dealt no damage to him.
It didn't help that I was the only human being on my team, the rest were just fucking retards that even struggled to find the parry button on their keyboard.
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>>539520576
never. idk if this was exactly the reason like how you described it, but there was a time shortly after the item update where shiv's alt fire would immediately proc toxic bullets at any range. it'd just be too strong
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>>539520637
healing reduction
if he's a melee build get rebuttal it's only 800 souls and it reflects the melee damage back to him and heals you for the same amount. also reduces your parry cooldown by half so if you fuck up its not as big of a deal
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>lose multiple games in a row that are needlessly 40+ minutes because the winning team refuses to mid or push

I'm just uninstalling, this isn't fun, it's lame. Also tired of stuns.
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>>539520864
I also quit today
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>>539497225

she read you
like a book
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>kelvin ults to steal someones kill
lol'd
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>>539520441
Huh. Oddly fitting considering vindicta is a insane woman on a quest to kill all white men
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>>539520864
>enemies drag out their win because they want to farm kills
they will never add a surrender button, valve wants you to be a hostage in losing games that are 40 minutes long
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>>539521309
>vindicta is a insane woman on a quest to kill all white men
Based! I love Vindicta
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>>539519901
Characters get a red outline and glowing effect when they hit the threshold. Unfortunately, there's also a metric fuck-tonne of VFX that share or otherwise obscure it so in a teamfight you've either got to tunnel vision a target or just eyeball an hp bar and hope for the best. Funny enough, them healing past the threshold while you're mid-ult also removes the instakill factor.
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and before you ask no I will not share my ign
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>>539521846
Forgot to add that there's also a "slimy" sound cue that generally takes priority over other SFX.
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SlimeGODS.... we WON...
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How do we fix him?
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>>539522085
Round up and exterminate all faggots, futa lovers, femboy homos, and everyone else who has encouraged the faggotification of men.
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>>539522145
you loooooove drifter
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>>539522145
A bold plan, but we don't have the funding for it.
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>>539501673
This is the second time Eido just filled in for DFN/DNS and won. Pretty based.
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>>539518987
I'm Immortal in dota and 20k premier in CS
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>>539519287
Not really. Honestly, experience is the best guide in this game. Play some bot lobbies to get a grasp on the controls and the characters you want to play. Once you feel familiar, go into real matches. In my experience, knowing how to build your character matters much more than people lead you to believe and copying someone's build can result in a character not doing what you want. Take your time, read the item descriptions, look at other people's builds and slowly try out items you like. Have fun!
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>>539521309
>all white men
no just the billionaire funded psyops
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Deadlocks for this feel?
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What exactly does this mean? That my performance with said character is typically better than the rank I'm placed in?
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>>539522585
What other billionaires were there other than Rockefeller at the time?
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So just to get this straight, Lash is not.. you know?
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>>539522673
Lucky Shitter
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>>539522927
Black? No.
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>>539521309
wtf Vindicda is keyed?!?!
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>>539522717
various monarchs
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im here to abuse op heroes and give you cancer
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>>539523228
/d2g/ told me with complete certainty that Seven is THE most OP hero in the game so it's all good.
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>>539523324
i didn't know diablo 2 had a general
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>>539523324
He is but Abrams comes close
not sure about Ivy, I think she's just good but infuriating to verse
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>>539522956
I accept your concession.
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>>539522145
But have YOU had sex with a woman?
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>>539522927
they're either trying to make him gay or italian, neither really fit him.
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>>539522673
it means, overall you are good with that character and the game will try to give you that character more often
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Every fucking game i had as Lash last week had at least 3 enemy heroes that can cuck my ult + a few others built unstoppable or counterspell
And I only keep getting Lash over new heroes, just fuck my shit up.
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>>539523995
>game will try to give you that character more often.
My wife has chosen me then.
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>Lash slams you for half your HP instantly
>Abrams shoulder charges you and takes half your HP instantly
>Talon shoots an arrow at you and chunks half your HP instantly
All good here, this is fine!
>Mina shoots you 4 times close range for half your HP
WTF NERF NERF NERF THIS IS BULLSHIT AAAAAIIIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME YOSHIMAN
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>>539524330
counterspell cucking lash is so dumb, i saw my teammate do it and was disgusted
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>tell our 0/7 Infernus to stop being a retard and go farm instead of fighting in mid
>mfw the braincells on this motherfucker actually made synapse and he farmed enough to buy half a build that allowed him to melt the enemy base after wiping half of the enemies
Miracles can happen in this dogshit elo form time to time
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>>539525510
This is how we can get the boomer audience.
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20 games in I was thinking I'm old and washed and stupid because I didn't immediately know how to play
50 games I'm not dooming anymore and I'm happy to play and happy to improve I'm so happy rn
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>>539525872
Yeah that was basically me.
I think I just expected other moba knowledge to transfer easy. Learning items is annoying.
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>>539522927
The Lash is loved by all
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>>539526235
No hes a massive faggot and I would not complain if they removed him entirely.
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>>539526285
The Lash knows that anger is often response to envy. Its ok, theres enough of Lash to go around.
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>>539524994
I did this and he bought refresher
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is melee on items just a meme or what, you can only get away with a melee after a stun, at which point you can just blast them point blank with your gun for the same/more dps
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I laned against a Haze today that just fucking ended me. I legitimately could not get out of cover or she would laser my head for 20 fixation stacks instantly and i'd lose half my HP (playing seven, who has a huge fucking head). I'm not a total shitter, i'm Archon. I know the basics of laning, i have laned against Haze dozens of time but this guy was Ascendant (checked after the match) and i was just completely dominated by a sheer difference in just raw aim. I don't even know what i was supposed to do, i was just getting shot to shit.
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>>539526579
i'm retarded, melee items on ABRAMS. people parry me even if its 40 minutes into the game and I haven't pressed Q once the whole damn game so naturally actually trying to go for melee as my BNB is asking for trouble
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>>539526649
Buy fleetfoot and HMC them to bait it out.
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>>539526579
It's really good on heroes that have abilities that enable melee or melee itself. Rend on drifter = melee items are super value because of it.

Abrams can set it up with wall charge, billy has so much pressure they cant really parry easily without risking eating a full mag and you cant just run away either because chain pulls you back. Vyper can also set up spirit snatch with her ult -> venom combo.
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>>539526604
this is why gunniggers need to be kept on an exceptionally short leash, if you allow them to even approach dominant they will be able to circumvent every other element of the game through raw aim skill
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God paige makes it so much easier for me to not spaz out playing with retards.
It actually rewards them, retard dives I shield them l, retard gets baited by a parry I root and burst down the guy that parried them. im pretty much going trophy hunter every game because you almost always max it out so early.
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>>539508925
I don't want any goyslop crossover shit
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>>539526604
beg someone to swap with you
buy bullet shielding
abuse right hand shoulder peeking
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>>539527373
2B crossover is inevitable
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>>539527428
Yeah i really feel l i should have swapped
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>>539503181
even compfags don't want to play against greytalon, that's funny.
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>>539528004
he's 10x better in comp than pubs so yeah, it's understandable
mirage gets picked every match for his global map presence, of which grey talon has an arguably more annoying and powerful version of
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>>539527816
time to boot up aimlabs, lanes are won and lost on aim, especially if there is a haze involved
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Why is my infernus never a good player and why the enemy haze is always a sweater
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>>539528293
cognitive bias :)
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>>539526707
why bother dancing around them and hope they actually fall for the bait when I could just shoot them a lot with a gun that entire time.

again, it would be one thing if abrams melee was actually better dps, but compared to a same money gun build its just not, especially when you consider the gun build can literally do anything past 15 feet
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>>539528350
sure nigga tell me why I have a fucking player from kazakstan in my EUW server
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>playing drifter
>teammate fighting vyper
>standing still around a corner
>vyper comes sliding over
>surprise her with a heavy melee and then press 1 and watch her explode
lmao
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who decided that kelvin/viscous should naturally be extremely good at surviving and escaping fights but also if you just buy a bunch of gun items their gun becomes a machine gun that shoots boulders and again you don't actually have to worry about anything but getting orange item because your skills naturally keep you alive
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landing a heavy melee gotta be the most satisfying thing so far for me
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>>539526649
you just get level 2 shoulder charge and only heavy melee when you get the stun, it's that simple
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>>539528578
but why spend money on melee items I can only use during charge when I could just buy gun items to unload in their face during the stun for more damage + they help outside of landing charge.

especially since if they buy debuff remover I have to them waste a slot on duration extender or the melee isn't guaranteed. this shit sucks man
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>>539528634
The melee is always guaranteed, start holding your melee button as soon as you start your charge and it will come out frame 1. If you're going melee you should max charge first for the cd reduction, and then mix with other gun items. Gun items also increase melee damage, hunter's aura, point blank, etc.
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>don't have any group CCs on my team
>enemy team has Lash, Dynamo and Seven
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>>539528696
>Gun items also increase melee damage, hunter's aura, point blank, etc.
yeah and having to buy stupid melee shit delays me buying all the good gun items + stuff like fury trance and express shot means unloading the gun in their face is more dps then the melee anyway.
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>>539528991
Ok don't buy melee items then, fag
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anyone else think drifters gunshots sound like wierd footsteps
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i just want my teammates to shove their lanes in
please shove your lane in before you go to the jungle please
i beg you put any kind of pressure on the map please PLEASE
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>>539529163
watched my wraith clear a t3 camp while the walker was getting blown up by minions
oracle btw
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>>539528481
Throwing out an occasional light with lifestrike is good just for the debuff and heal, other than that, yeah, investing more into melee is a bit of a trap.
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>>539529163
I agree but... shoving when the guardians are up barely does anything, I can't even get a sin machine by the time the wave is pushed back to my side
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New item ideas
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>>539529563
new item: gun
increases gun damage
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>>539527519
I know they shove her in anything, but i eat it up almost every time because I love her game and her design.
Except when Rainbow 6 made her a hideous mandroid.
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>>539529495
>I did a thing and lost no lane souls in the process
Wow almost as if that was the point you dumb fucking FAGGOT
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>>539529563
A new item that works like the cod throwing knife/hatchet that does more damage the further away the target it.
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>>539529563
Automatics aoe pushback once a certain amount of damage has been taken.
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who do I have to suck off to get a decent team just for once? How many matchmaking mandated defeats must I eat
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>>539530152
Isn't it interesting how everyone here is great at deadlock and all our teammates suck but we dont
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>>539522927
Lash is actually a normal guy, his asshole conduct is just a stage personality
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>>539529019
gassy doorman
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>mfw got carried to victory several games in a row while doing absolutely horrendous
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>>539530423
can you tell me what that means? I don't type like a woman
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>>539530612
You do type like a woman. Very feminine coded posts, hnnng, come here bb.
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>>539529563
Unbound phylactery
Tier 4 spirit

After killing/assisting a kill it stores a charge tied to that enemy hero, when used on a target it uses a random non ultimate ability of one of the heroes still in the phylactery, or throws it in their direction at the time of cast if non point n click, if you killing blow a hero with a phylactery charge it gives 3 charges, 8ish second cooldown
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>>539530612
>constant whining but not fixing the issue
All you do is write like a woman, faggy.
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I feel like it's impossible to win against a team with Mina if the enemy gets any momentum in the midgame because midboss is just instantly dead
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>>539530423
it's not my fault that I'm superior
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>>539531075
Her stupid objective nuking gimmick is antifun, they need to tweak the dumb bitch.
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>>539531075
B-b-b-b-b-but the tier list said Mina was POO CACA DOODOO
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>>539531208
That dude looks like he's below 6ft tall so his opinions don't matter.
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>>539531173
just nerf her objetive dmg with her ult like they did for beebop and seven.

>>539530959
my issue of another lane feeding a vindicta or dying alone while our base is getting raped?
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i hate that the heroes i really like playing don't solo carry games
i wish i had it in me to enjoy a M1 drone like haze or seven or wraith but that shit is just boring
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>>539531436
Deep down you know you're wrong which is why you didn't name your heroes
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>>539531436
who do you play
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>*does nothing in ur path*
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>>539531594
This is one of the best items in the game though
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>>539531508
I like Doorman/Mo&Krill/Paradox
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>>539531650
>doorman
>can't carry
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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>>539531436
>tfw only interested in playing dynamo, bebop, viscous and mo & krill
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I swear to gosh every McGinnis I see, on either team, always feeds their ass off. Something about this hero is either off or it makes the players retarded.
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Love being an annoying nigger on this hero
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>>539531436
as a kelvin player I just pray I one day find a good player and stick to him like a parasite
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>>539531647
...on opposite day.
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That's it I've had it with retards fighting forever and achieving nothing. I don't want to think anymore. I will play Infernus and just splitpush the entire fucking game. Fuck Brools, fuck teamfights, fuck the urn, and fuck the Midboss.
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UOHHHHH IM SUPPORTING
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>Win most of my games
>Doing really well
>Core skill rating goes DOWN
??????
I went down from Alchemist 1 to Seeker 4 despite winning 7/10 of my games. I had only one game in which I did poorly, and all the others I was well above average.
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>>539529563
Add a Zz'Rot portal or Banner of Command type item, something that lets me buff creeps
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>>539531650
Paradox can carry.
Mokrill can force any team into a win if get a pick every cd on some lone faggot.
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>>539532119
wait a minute, this turtleneck...
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>>539532119
This bitch is so god damn infuriating to play against. Just a literal faceroll on the keyboard.
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As Mirage I flee whenever they send a guy to deter my splitpushes (I usually then steal their jungle). Should I be taking duels? My aim is good but not great, and I fear against spirit dipshits with gay cc and less souls then me I'll get my ass handed to me instantly.
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>>539532525
if you have spirit items and maxed out 3 you will poke any rival to death, 16x modifier makes people fall over dead without realizing it and you can build stacks even at a healthy distance
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>>539532665
Building spirit? On Mirage? But his 3 range is... Hey wait a minute
>cannot imbue Mystic Expansion on his 3
Why the hell not?!
Anyway, spirit Mirage doesn't seem like a good idea
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>>539533635
Sadly it's not but on lower ranks you can abuse it as people don't take djinn mark seriously and just fall over dead when you hit 16x
The cooldown on multipliers also isn't affected by items, meaning he's got a worse version of lovebites right now
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I love playing Abrams but I feel like I never get to ult properly. The map architecture and geometry makes it so that I hit trees and corners instead of the enemy team and I end up just using ult to escape most of the time. Any tips on how to play this blue slab of meat better?
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Seems like the baxter society requires you to lose your right arm
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>>539533910
use it mid-fight and take the time in the air to find a squishy to land on and then punch them to death.
using it to run away is also a valid use.
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>>539533910
His ult just sucks, the windup animation is so slow everyone can just walk through a doorway most of the time if its not in perfect condition, just get phantom strike and shoulder charge.
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>>539534149
I'm pretty sure it's a glove just poorly modeled
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>>539533910
just use it before you feel like you 'need' to use it, which by that point it's probably too late anyway due to how slow it is, unless you think you'll need it to escape.

aka phantom strike > shoulder charge > heavy melee > shoot enemy and then you ult if it's a teamfight and you'll get any use out of it, instead of holding onto it 'until'.
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>>539534224
>>539534267
I buy phantom strike but by the time I do, it's no longer needed, as we're either losing or the enemy got caught and killed by my carries. It also tends to disorient me.
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>>539533910
It's literally the worst spell in the entire game so don't worry about that feeling, it's the same for every Abrams player. It's got a cooldown on the same tier as black-hole with not even a 10th of the effectiveness and the only time it's ever useful is if you dump 8 AP into it.
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Just played a game where enemy mina did nothing but splitpush all game and even backdoored us, she does way too much damage. 21k from just ulting walkers and patron
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>>539497225
>managed to miss on a not moving target
uhm paige players?
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>>539534149
Neon Prime holdovers, everyone had prosthetics like in overwatch.
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is miku as extremely miserable and frustrating to deal with or am i just not good enough to handle her yet. Feels like no matter what I do, she just buys gun stuff early, powerfarms and pushes like an obnoxious little rapist, and if the game goes late enough she just transitions to more turret focus so she never really falls off the way she ought to. Just oppressive and unfun
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>hey anon why aren't you teamfighting
>hey anon why aren't you teamfighting
>hey anon why aren't you teamfighting
I WANT TO RUN DOWN MY LANES AND I'M DOING A GOOD JOB AT IT WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT
>finally join a fight after it's halfway started
>die
>anon you fucking suck
I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS
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>>539521309
except me her husband (a hathorne)
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>>539534248
Well you are wrong. Every hero that is a member of the Baxter Society (Grey Talon, Shiv, Calico) has a prosthetic right arm.

>>539534760
They'll probably leave this. I doubt they'll give Shiv a normal arm.
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>Lash tries spawn throw cheese
>Gets stuffed and dies
You love to see it
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We did well in lane and then we got raped.
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Should I bother with this game at all if I'm not a mobatard and just miss games like Minimum, Gigantic and 2016 overcrotch? I've been burned by these sorts of games so many times I feel like an abuse victim
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>>539536310
This game is a fully fledged moba, sir. You're better off finding a shooter to play, this isn't for you.
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>>539536310
Depends on if you hate MOBAs or are just indifferent to them. If you hate MOBAs becayse you hate the idea of caring about your item build or having to lane, no you shouldn't play this.
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love when my team does nothing while they do all the objectives and jungle. Am sure sitting on your fucking ass at the spawn praying for them to make a mistake is viable
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>>539536407
wow an actual guide
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vindicta is going to gun down yoshi and his bloodline for killing her (again)
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>>539536310
nah it's not like overshart at all
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>>539537367
she is fine
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>>539536407
why does people want to show their personality so eagerly ?
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>>539536954
>Depends on if you hate MOBAs or are just indifferent to them
I've never properly sunk my teeth into them because they seem completely impenetrable with their six trillion characters. That and they just seem like complete aids to play solo
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>dominate lane
>gank all the other lanes
>my team is outskilled so I lose anyways
it's fine
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>>539537485
>winrate of 44% in lowest ranks that sinks even further to 37% as you climb to eternus
>lowest winrate hero at every single rank
i disagree
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>>539537679
If you can't gank another lane and get a kill without your team's help you probably didn't win lane as much as you act like you did.
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Hear me out, support drifter with lightning scroll
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>>539537929
because if she is buffed she will become a menace
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>it was just another game with danning kruger rusniggers who fed Sinclair 6-1 in 8 minutes
>lash was using his ultimate from the ground
>mole said he was better than me because he had more kills

man I hate rusniggers, why are they so stupid
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>>539538045
I should have never known they used to be segregated on their own server
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>>539538034
Doesn't work. Shortly after Victor came out they disabled it working on ults that give Spirit damage on hit. Even when it did work though I don't know why you would play it as a support.
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>>539538045
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Abrams 310761
Bebop 281685
Billy 314592 287665
Calico 313982
Doorman 291314
Drifter 298485
Dynamo 246699
Gray Talon 267471 312634
Haze 235999
Holliday 239225
Infernus 239350 239350
Ivy 236114 314451
Kevin 281999
Geist 260660 281716
Lash 235852
Mcginnis 322089
Mina 306546
Mirage 240971
Mo & Krill 292507
Paige 295962
Paradox 237103
Pocket 256463
Seven 276963
Shiv 317683
Magician 280256
Victor 301692
Vindicta 176747
Viscous 306766
Vyper 257281
Warden 223080
Wraith 228655
Yamato 268702

Best builds according to our guy
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still no eu lobby?
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>>539538039
i would not define that as a fine state for a hero to be in
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Is this game like LoL where I’m typically leveling an ability to max before I level anything else?
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they should make shiv gray but he turns redder as his rage meter fills up.
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>>539538391
depends on the ability because leveling unlocks new abilities in it like a slow



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