the worst gun in the game edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-04-2025-update.80693/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/dead >>540251670
no way you niggas let it go to 1000you retards are UNEMPLOYED, step it up
>>540319612sorry I was too busy playing the game (afk in the hideout)
>Downplays Abrams>Downplays Paradox>Downplays Kelvin>Downplays IvyDoes /dlg/ get ANYTHING right? I swear to god this general is all just contrarian meta abusers, even the Haze whiners simmered down despite her having a positive winrate in relevant elo for the first time in ages.
>>540319773I was saying Veil Walker needed to be nerfed a month ago THOUGHI literally craft the meta, you live in my wake
>>540319773you forgot mina downplayersI don’t know maybe 4chan just attracts the most rejected spergy autists with anonymity shielding them from getting gassed for being a complete utter retard
>>540319928people who get destroyed by mina are clinically retarded, i have only run into a few decent ones and it has been in high phantom / asc
>>540319928>mina downplayersOnly because when first released, people are retarded and trying to build on her 1 or m1, then claim she's worthless because they are super weak.I've been trying to argue that Mina is super good with her ult since day 1.
>>540320089i mean if you're a walker sure the ult is good against you
Post-nerfs. Gun Holliday is actually fantastic
>>540320089ok mr phantom sir, time to go to bed you geriatric
>>540319928Mina is only good right now because of ult cheese if that gets nerfed (it should) she'll be dogshit again
Been away for a few weeks anything interesting happen
How about you niggas create a new fucking thread when one reaches 750 posts? Fucking retards
Deadlock is fun.
i don't know why i play this stupid shit ass game
>>540320854that's pointless. just make a new thread at page 9/10
>queue solo>play decent and win>queue with group>play horrible and losei hate this
are inhouses happening?
>>540320959Deserved for playing those characters
>>540321208no, too latecheck back on the weekend
>>540319773Paradox is only good because Holliday got gutted to oblivion. Buff her, and you will see paradox fall down to a couple token picks.
because of the guy in the last thread I gave spirit abrams a try, I assume something like this is what you want for bookmaxxing?it was pretty fun but kinda just victor jr
>>540321427t. retard
>>540321489t. subsaharan IQ.
>>540321065Almost every time I queue with friends they're shitty and we end up against a smurf stack, one time we got the same stack twice in a row
>>540320146>i mean if you're a walker sure the ult is good against yousee?You retards still have no idea how good her ult is.
>>540321562t. retard
>>540321454arcane surge and escalating seem troll to active arcane will leave you with 1 stamina and escalating is too easy to deny to justify T4
>>540321636it's more about actually playing her against competent players and realizing how bad it actually is against anything that's not a walker, midboss or patron in some cases
>>540321636>spend 1 stamina>you are no longer in mina ultwow
>>540321427Yes dude the hero that puts you in with the rest of your team, deals % max HP, silences you and whose kinetic carbine headshots do a third of your healthbar is bad. True story.
>>540321824with the rest of their team*
>>540321775>>540321819Yeah, no problem.Keep downplaying Mina.I wouldn't mind another buff for her.
>>540321427Both of them are good right now so this post just makes you look extra retarded
i hope they add bans to this game so i can pretend pocket doesnt exist (aka good deadlock)
>>540321941you don't play her, so the only thing more buffs would do is mindbreak you further
>>540321610I just play like ass and I'm worried I'm disappointing the people I play with and making myself look undesirable for the group
>>540322053I'm sure your friends don't care unless they're turbosweats
>>540321941i'm not downplaying her because her burst is nuts but the moment her ult loses the walker/midboss damage is the moment i keep it on T0 until the very end
sex with the doorman!!!
>>540322238nah
There is nothing less threatening than a Mina that's fed as long as you keep lanes pushed, if her burst was that insane you would all run spellbreaker but none of you counterbuy so you likely don't even know that item exists.
What's the best build for mirage?How should I play him.Idk but the daily builds don't seem to be that good.Especially in the farm department, even if I get cultists.
if there isn't a balance patch tomorrow and if it doesn't exactly match my expectations i'm gonna lose itgrrrrrrrrrrr
>>540321751>to active arcane will leave you with 1 stamina
>>540322530people just start shooting at mina, and then go apeshit when she presses her escape button to escapethey cannot comprehend anything beyond that so it's pointless to argue with them
>>540321454has the benefit of not being completely useless for the first 2/3rds of the match though
the only actual problem with mina ult is that she can do it super low to the ground/horizontally by airdashing first which is what lets her gank midboss/patron and means you can't just get under cover
>>540322530t. seething minamain doesn't like being (rightly) called a drooling paraplegic for playing mina
>>540322530>she activates your spellbreaker because her bullshit gun also does spirit damage for some reason and then hits her burst anywaysthank you for your input shitlow faggot
>>540322571I hope shiv gets nerffed
>>540321751arcane surge is range/duration/spirit power aka everything I want and because it gives you +1 stam you're still at 2 after using it.EE was because something that hits every second builds the stacks fast
>>540322772>threshold 150 damagethank you for your input shitlow retard who can't read
would echo shard crow EE vindicta be a shitty but moderately decent enough build to be cancer
baroness hotel beat hydra nation 2 weeks in a row.
>>540322772she would need 2300 spirit power in order for her gun to trigger spellbreakerdoes that happen in your games
>>540322998and sneaky golems beat them 3 weeks ago
Lefaa on suicide watch
>>540322987no
>>540322772>Mina whiners are this retarded
Eido's makeshift team just beat the number 1 NA team (now 2nd best) for the second consecutive time. This is their comp.Ivy was their designated hypercarry.
>>540322492you and your ilk aren't welcome to participate anyway.
pov: ivy doing all the shit retards are complaining about mina doing but better
>>540323148why are people picking mirage?
>>540323148Ivy has nearly 60% winrate in eternus right now and is a better gun carry than hazeShe is 100% getting kneecapped
>>540323257for the djinn
>>540323198Well guys pro play is the only thing that matters according to you all so we should nerf Ivy, Geist, Lash, and Talon before Mina right?
>>540323257traveler and tornado are goodthat's it lol
>>540323371unironically yes for all but geistand then fix spirit burn proccing more than once on towers/mid boss
>>540323198average bebop performance
MVP
>>540323470>NOOOOO GUN IVY LE BAD STOP IT YOU CANT BUY GUN ITEMS ON IVY NOOOOOO
this plus the fact that ivy has had a good winrate in phantom-eternus for months makes all the posts saying ivy was too weak so fucking funny, ivytrannies really are deluded huh? people were even saying her gun was weak lmao.let's keep whining about haze though guys
>>540323641>marked internally as a "marksman"
>>540322530>bro just buy a 6400 counter item
does sinclair have a place in tournaments
TOURNEY OVERRELEASE THE PATCH, YOSHIT
>>540323470What site shows item times?
>>540323257Mirage is one of the safest splitpushers in the game, in organized play his ult becomes extremely valuable as a "gank anywhere" tool and obviously tornado is very effective against most characters.
>>540323805yeah it's also how you counter every other spirit character in the game because spirit res is dogshit
>>540323874this is just the ending graphic for the tournament
>>540323470>fortitudeb-b-but /dlg/ said that's an instant loss
We all see how effective it is when they released polished and nice looking characters.When will they give up being stubborn and finally work on the visual for other characters?
>>540324120when you buy it 13 minutes into the game it isthey bought it 5 minutes before the match ended, probably as a way to regen a bit of health + bulk up without going to fountain for the last fight
>>540324120really shoulda bought glass cannon there baka
>>540324430i never buy it anyway, fuck green items. i stack pure spirit on viscous and let god sort out the rest
>>5403238056400 to completely neuter someone on the enemy team is good though? you could also just buy slowing hex for 1600 and kill her in seconds on nearly any hero but again, you don't counterbuy
they're not showing the total picks/bans this week so we can't laugh at dynamo being picked and banned 0 times.
>>540324676slowing hex travel time is delayed and good minas who understand positioning will not front line
why doesn't Doorman's ult have a Quick Cast option? Mo and Krill and Wraith get it and his shit requires you to be damn near point blank anyway, I feel like at least having the ability to remove an extra button press would be helpful
uhhhh guys why would pros ever run billy or abrams if you can "just parry bro" i mean im sure the best players in the world know about their f key right? is /dlg/ better than pros?
Pocket is transgender.If you play this game you support transgenders
>>540325017ok, i still hate ivy and ivy players though.
>>540323148>the team with mina//ivy wonhuh, who would have guessed
>>540324967>Abramsthey only melee after landing a T2 charge or during chaotic scuffles, you'll still see them parried and die instantly for it>Billyyou rush T3 blasted and light melee becomes better than siphon bullets, gambling the 50/50 on whether he light melees you or not is heavily skewed in billy's favor because if you're wrong he just instantly kills you with 2 heavy melees while your parry is on cd
>>540324842She has to be close to proc her love bites and use her rake though? Are you implying the Mina's you go against have robotic reaction time and insta dodge your slowing hex or silence wave point blank?
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>540324120>3 minutes before the game ended on a hero fed off their ass who stomped the entire time without it yeah real HIGH IMPACT item
>>540325160bro your hero is getting nerfed, be a good little chuddy and sit down. black women are talking *sips*
>melee paige buildis this actually anything and the guy on the enemy team was just shit or what
>>540326101paige has spirit scaling on her melee damage, I'm sure there's a semi viable build out there somewhere.
>>540326101>no ability applies melee damage>no way to secure melee hits
You aren't "Stealing" souls from your lane partner are you anons?You actively make an effort to pop balloons and dont just move on to the next creep right? Every deny you miss is stealing souls from your lane partner
>>540326101it's just shit
>>540326462what is this retard complaining about, being placed in low rank lobbies? or that he, a professional Gaymer, is higher rank than what Valve is placing him at?
>>540326938his lane partner is seeing the little "Denied!" pop up on their screen and is wrongfully assuming that the OP is "stealing" their souls by popping them
>>540326462>Teammates that think I, their lane partner, is the one stealing their souls when the enemy team is the one denying themMy fucking sides
>>540325017Oh good.
>>540327008then why is he crying about matchmaking and third party rank websites?
>>540327245because presumably, after 700 games, the matchmaking would recognize that they should not be with someone so new that they would think that is the case
>>540323148>banning pocketlol
>>540327363Pocket is one of the best heroes in the game right now, and Dew is a notorious Pocket one trick.
>>540325017proof?
>>540322567I got my Mirage build importing from some eternus called rocaine using tracklock, and some others, comparing themSome of the best items IMO are fortitude, burst fire, hollow point, toxic bullet, kinetic dash, QSRSometimes you can go a random improved spirit for djinn mark dmg but just go gun otherwise. I think something like that is better than full spirit anywayI play pretty aggressive pushing walkers since his jungling is slow. It's good to just put pressure on side lines and tp if needed
>want to play haze>ivy is just outright a better gun carry than her in every way this patchooogggggjhhhhj
>>540327330so he thinks he's a professional Gaymer and that Valve isn't accurately ranking him?
>>540328330sure, lets go with that
>invite people to test out deadlock>at some point, make a whole other development test build for certain playersSo whats the point of us playing the game if certain people are getting the special treatment
>>540328875what do you mean what is the point, you are still testing things, why do you need to be special. Show me one forum post you've made with feedback or suggestions to the game
>>540329423I only post my suggestions in /dlg/, because that's where the devs are
What am I supposed to do after we destroy the enemy guardian? Usually the enemy runs away and my lane partner fucks off somewhere and I then fall back on farm cause I wander around
>>540329803if that's true how come there's no hero based off of me huh? explain that
>>540329851take jungle farmtake buffstake boxes/statuesrun urnrotate to other lanes and look for picksrotate back to your lane to make sure the creeps don't die without someone to soak the souls
>>540329851if your lane partner fucks off to roam, you kill troopers every time they get to your guardian and spend the rest of the time shooting boxes and creeps nearbyit's a simple life
>>540329936the fat retard hero (abrams) is in game, though?
I wish the buffs/debuffs were displayed more prominently
>>540330090left side my niggy
>>540329423>why do you need to be specialThen why create the special build for the certain players?
>>540320768nope, no leaks even, everyone just back to waiting for the next update
>>540330090Yeah it's weird that souls are this big fanny pack on everyone, yet bridge buffs are hidden.
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/custom-match-lobby-issues-and-feature-requests.83445/Frenly reminder that a thread has been made with suggestion to implement basic features in custom lobbies like A FUCKING TEXT CHATPlease leave a like, and if you want post underneath, will help with visibility so we can organize inhouses better, while avoiding discord clique troonification.Support grassroots /dlg/ fun inhouses(No seriously even if i get stomped in inhouses its better than playing pubs for me)
>>540330382Do you want the REAL answer or politically correct answer
>>540330382they're better than you lil bro, more valuable, it's time to face the facts
>instead of clearing stragglers and fighting teammates run mid to clear minions>yell over my mic to tell them to kill stragglers>the don't listen>instead they filter in 1 by 1 and die>we lose the gameyep I love deadlock
>>540320768venator and boho with the Halloween patch, along with control point jungle objective
>>540330938i hope they're both m1 heroesi want to click more heads
You know what i dislikeWhen you play a hero that doesnt farm camps too easily, and you want to grab the sinner sacrifices and maybe a medium camp, but you get constant chip damage, and end up being like half hp and cant go engage or at risk of getting gankedWhich items are cost effective early to help with that sustain?Melee lifesteal helps, resto shot is fine, passive regen is kinda not enoughI miss when melee charge restored your ammo that shit was so good.Maybe i should just buy more healing rites, since its technically just 400soul investment if you sell it later
>>540331070healing rite is the answer
>>540330969venator (priest), most of his abilities scale with Gun>shotgun blast 1 that acts like Abhrams pin>grenade>timbersaw reactive armor but no HP regen>ult is he pulls out the AWP and gets 4 shotBoho>funky chain lighting goo>mina swipe that grants shield>warlock shared pain>some strange Grimstroke inkswell Neutral objective supposedly gives power ups
they should buff pocket's falloff on his gun a bit16m is too low rangethanks yoshi :)
>>540331070protip for the sinners near mid (the small room with 1 machine and 2 npcs) you can heavy melee punch close enough to one of them that it hits both npcs.
>>540331315both sound pretty pog, can't wait
>>540330938somehow i doubt there will be a significant halloween patch, might not even get the masks from last year
sex with doorman x2!
>>540331294nah def buy fortitude, theres literally no other way on god's green earth but to buy a 3200 item if you want to punch machines
>>540331464>feeling drunk feelsESL? Or New York Times bestselling author Ernest Cline?
I need helmet of dominator in deadlock
>>540331640probably esl lol
>>540331813denziens dont move, what are you going to do, grab a single lane creep?
Ok niggas Im dumb enough to jump into this game. Give me some tips and noob heroes to learn the game and movement.
>>540332232Search guides on youtube shits honestly too complicated to fit into a single text post
>>540332232the noobiest noob hero is abramseven a troglodyte could win a game with himfor movement, make sure not to waste your stamina by dashing around before a fight (the other techs youll learn naturally)
>>540332232this >>540332360it'll be simpler if you're coming from dota, but you really gotta watch youtube guides if you want to learn fast
>>540331070Get cultist early and boom you have many many souls in mid-game.
>>540332232wraith haze infernus.follow a build guide.watch videos if you need more.
>>540332232whatever you do, do not listen to this guy >>540332497
>>540332054YesDominator would give him same auras as his user, and allow remote pushing of waves or somethingYou cant directly control the big creep, but you can order him to "attack" towards objectives like walkers, and back off when you wantKilling dominated creep grants double bounty.With tbat being said, imagine if you COULD give those t3 denizen niggas legs ans order them to waltz down midlane
>>540332232FUCK youtube and all that shitevery minute in game is more valuable than a minute in a videopick a guide and just run around fighting people and shooting buildings
Ritualist 3 to Arcanist 5 in one day. Jesus this matchmaking sometimes.
>>540332467Its gonna get nerfed tomorrow togheter with veilwalkerCheck comp games they all build those 2
When are they adding invoker hero
>>540332884Soon all the items are going to get nerfed to the point of being utterly useless 1% changes.
>>5403329312 weeks. And he'll have 27 spells.
>>540325017Nu-Valve drones love trannies.
>>540325017no they aren't.
>>540330798They don't even know how to look at a crash log or even code. They're the worst testers imaginable. Doesn't help that some of these pro rus orcs/trannies are so brazen as to be selling access as well.
>>540325017We already discussed this. It's the frogs.
As a solo how should I be playing this game? I keep getting a negative k/d but winning games, I want it positive.Early game I do decent enough but come mid game I'm afraid to take on 1 on 1 fights because I know I'll get my shit pushed in because the enemy is now a tank or lane partners come to help. Should I just stay behind minions poking them until theyre low then go in for the kill if I can?
"nigger sneed"-me, in coms 2025
>>540333906you simply play off of vibes which will be honed the more you play.
>>540333906If you're consistently negative k/d but winning games, you're either playing support heroes exclusively (unlikely), or you're getting carried, and you can expect to regress soon. You don't need to take and win 1v1 fights, especially if your hero isn't suited to them, but instead you should try to look for profitable picks/objectives with your team. You can try to poke/harass them down, but don't do it at the expense of last hitting/wave control.
What are some character that can feed their ass off but still perform? The only one I know of right now is Kelvin because of his dome, healnade, slowbeam, and icepath.
>>540334335mo and krillliterally just press your ult on someone with your team around, and you're doing your job
>>540334335You should instead make a conscious effort to play safer.
>>540332360>>540332426>>540332460>>540332497>>540332674>>540332723Alright, gonna try some bot games, guides and just running around the map for now.
>>540329851>cause I wander arounddoing what? just staring at walls?push the waves and then farm while waiting for the wave to come back to a safe area, safe usually being within the lower platform of the lane or a bit pushed up, depends on the enemy comp and how quickly they can close in or CC you.Always farm with intent, you need to know what item you are farming for and in what way that item will enable you. We call this a power spike. Once you have the one or two items that make you strong at fighting, look for fights
>>540329851keep pushing waveskeep farming jungle, preferably enemypush waves some moreif you don't see the enemy on the map, they're coming for you and play safe, farm your side of jungleif they start fighting, try to push the walkerbut if you have a hero that's better in fights than in a sidelane, be the guy to go pick fights and let someone else guard the guardian
i think the #1 sign your team has low IQ and you are not going to win is if they let a walker die 100% to 0% without anyone coming to defend it.like just allowing that to happen confirms nobody on your team has functioning brain cells.
I have god-tier macro, map awareness, and decision makingI have boomer-tier aim and reflexesWhat hero should I main?
>>540334780>if you don't see the enemy on the map, they're coming for youNah I can take this one last sinner's before they g
>>540334852none of them because that's geezer copegrow some hands fag
>>540334493>>540332232Something tells me this guy will end up playing warden,Judging by the pics he posts
>>540334852seven
>>540334852mo and krill.you can burrow at 50mph and practically defend two lanes at once as long as they aren't actively attacking both at the same time.
>>540334892thanks for the bag, broyou farming it saved me a lot of time :)
>play at 4 PM>get eternuses in the match, lose>play at 4 AM>comfy emissary-archon lobbies, win every gameI really shouldn't be ranking up this way.. unless.. haha..
>>540335019Haze is missing Haze is missing Pull back
>>540334852As an Abrams main, go with Abrams, 100%.the tl;dr on his kit is, once you get level 2 on his Shoulder Charge, the stun is long enough to guarantee a heavy melee if you buffer it during the charge. If you have the right items, your heavy melee will do a third to half of anyone's healthbar.
>>540335259>land one (1) ability upgraded once (1)>do half (50%) of someones healthbar with zero counterplaySeems fair
>>540335397double jump over his ass
>>540335495PHANTOM STRIKE!
>>540335547>HOW DOES ABRAMS HAVE PHANTOM STRIKE ALREADY
>>540335397the counter play is to buy any source of debuff resistance and just parry him and do it back to him.
>>540335671Depending on team comp it is always my 6th or 7th item. If the enemy lane lets me get away with it, it's my 6th. And if is my 5th then they're truly cooked and it's going to be an easy game.>>540335851You need over 30% debuff resistance to parry his shoulder charge. Debuff Reducer + Weighted Shots is the cheapest option. No, Debuff Remover alone is not enough.
>>540335971this one's my favorite, but nobody buys it except me.
>>540334852Abrams unironically. Maybe dynamo
I find Dota player elitism annoying BUT I will give one thing to them, they don't fucking play at 4:3 stretched like the CS idiots
>>540336186this is like a shittier armlet
gun ivy might be the most inflating thing in any videogame i know of atm. i think outright aimbotting is a more honest way to boost your rating on some heros than playing gun ivy.
>>540336441the 40% fire rate is underrated and halving debuff durations just makes a ton of shit irrelevant.especially when you're the only threat on the team and people buy curse to fuck you.it drops curse's duration to 1.5 seconds.
how to fix itemizationyour active slots are that, slots for active items and open from the begginingthe 8 slots, and the 4 flex slots, are only for the other items that aren't actives
>>540336738yo what if the hero with the best-scaling gun in the game also could naturally build into the best active item in the game (capacitor), and then we gave that hero a stunning escape maneuver?and then what if we gave that hero another escape on top of that, in case you were fucking stupid enough to put the first one on cooldown?haha.
>>540336738Ivytroons were raging itt a few months ago when gun ivy got touched in a patch. She's been one of the most OP heroes in the game for over a year.
mfw joining inhouses
Is there a way to change the voice language yet?
>gray talon shit talking while demolishing people instantly with log sized arrows>finish fury trance + spell breaker + spirit res>cave his skull in every fightlife is good
how come when i play mirage nobody ever asks me to teleport to them? is this a low rank thing? they can just voice chat ask to be saved and nobody does it
>>540337903maybe you gotta be ACTIVE instead of REACTIVEyou gotta be CHAD instead of BETA VIRGIN KEKhow bout THAT????
>>540337903>they can just voice chat um, bro? My mom is one room over? If she hears me talk I'll be embarassed, lol?
>Being lifted - oh no!>fire now>card card card card>teleports awayi just wanna get some boxes man
>>540337903>ree voice comms required!mark of a shitter.
>matchmaking>parties>smurfs>broolingTHAT'S IT!!! I'VE HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I just can't COPE with these losses anymoreI am TIRED of pretending I'm having funI REFUSE to continue being Yoshi's little lab rat...........GOODBYE /dlg/I AM A FREE!!!! YOU HEAR ME?????FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>540339061what an awful image
Which characters have the best mobility?
Does support in this game even exist?>play doorman >go 6-0>my infernus and haze are doing mid Do I buy support items or transition into carry at this point?
is it good to go a bunch of spirit on wraith past QSR and Surge of poweri like gun/spirit mix but i usually ignore green items and play it like a glass cannon, idk if its good but i find it works well.
>>540339569boundless is goodvamp burst is essentialrest is dependent on game, spellbreaker is often a pick up
>>540339552you should always be buying significant amounts of spirit on the doorman
My mate always plays healers and wants to know if there are characters in this game with good healsI plan to play tanky aura leech Victor just for him
>>540340073I play a crazy heal mcginnis
>>540332426yet somehow it's too complicated for Durpy
>>540340073they literally just added paige
i won my first deadlock game as dynamoidk how to play him in lane though my fat ass got poked
>>540340073kelvin but you have to play pretty aggressively to get value out of him.if your mate is a female with no gaming ability i'm afraid there isn't a mercy function in this game yet.
>>540340107I personally dont like McGinnis since I often chase enemies around with my aura and I wont get to sit on the Dispenser, any actual mid-combat healing is great>>540340230Her ult is the only healing ability she has, that's kinda heh
>>540340306also if you're going to play victor and you guys are playing together kelvin can trap people in your pain aura.
>>540340306>if your mate is a female with no gaming ability i'm afraid there isn't a mercy function in this game yet.He's a dude and did play Mercy in OW, and Medic in TF2, but he can be an absolute tryhard with healer classesI'm just there mostly to enable his fun, truth be told
>>540340073kelvin and visc are both goated at saving pplpaige and dynamo also kind of theres no true healbots (hopefully we never get one), but buying rescue beam on anyone with a good disengage kinda feels like playing one
who are the good inhouse players so i can avoid laning against them
>>540340339her 2 is essentially power word shield thoughplus you can just itemize into rescue beam/guardian ward/divine barrier
they should double the cd on combo
>>540339061just check in on major updates for a couple weeks like most people.
>>540339552no.what do you think a support item is?
>>540338510I mean you're the one dying here, not me!
>>540340073no. this isn't overwatch.
I hate cringeginnis players so much >She's only strong if you push into her!!I have to when she's chunking my walker at 15 minutes
>play abrams>forego everything to just get warpstone and spirit snatch immediately>no matter what i bring value by delivering free kills to my teami feel like a lobotomite but im winning games
>>540341701>she's pushing you>but... you're... pushing... her?
>>540341701
honestly, you guys are all dogshit.I'd be shocked if there was even one Eternus player in here.
hey moI know it's a retard proof hero and all, but if you burrow up in front of ABRAMS you're gonna get shoulder stuned and then BURST by fucking mina you retard
>>540341963im phantom but i get eternus niggers in my games anyways
>>540341205Healing beam Silence Active itemsKnockdown
>>540341963i got shit on by him in a solo lane like a year ago, where does that put me?
>>540341963I will be in Eternus if they fix the damn rank/matchmaking system.
>>540339552>>540342238buying counter items for whoever you're dooring the most is good so that you continue to gimp them when they exit
>>540342238>one support item listed
>>540342380don't eternus smurfs unironically get stuck in oracle and phantom
>>540342380>everybody else climbs no problems>but Anonymous here is a professional being held back by his teammates
>>540341963this dude isn't even gonna crack the top 500 leaderboard when he comes back in a year
>>540342537this cope is on the same tier as people saying nekoscore didn't matter and that all the present top players would be shitlow
>ping infernus passive>"Oh I'm always lighting things on fire."had a good chuckle
>lane with retard mo vs lash>he burrows towards lash, they all dash roll away>he burrows up in front of them, right in front of tower, gets busted by ground pound and I forgot the other enemy hero>mo voice chat: WHAT THE FUUUUUCK?
>>540342532see >>540342498even the eternus streamers (that are only in eternus from being there for the last year) have to stack and turbosweat to even budge a rank on their smurfs
>>540342620no, it's based on the fact that the "top" players in minuscule betas never end up being the actual bestidra was the "best" sc2 player, and he never won anything of note after thatzhou and burning were the "best" dota 1 players, and they never won anything in dota 2
>>540342814nah bro deathy and lefaa will definitely be top competitive players and not some forgotten streamers in 2030
>>540342923lefaa has some chi long qua potential
>>540342923lol, they're clearly going to be washed up streamers, toothe point is that the "top" players right now aren't going to be the top players when the game actually releases to a wide audiencenobody will give a shit about mikaels in a year
badass hero
>>540342423>>540342424Isn’t support in this game just someone who can fight with less farm and buys CC actives or healing items + doesn’t take as much farm?
>>540343091yeah pretty much
>>540343091there's no wards/vision mechanic, no detection, and very little CCso yes, supports in this game are close to carries, because they don't have to do dota support shit
>>540343010>nobody will give a shit about mikaels in a yearhe will be remembered...
fire rate should have increasingly diminishing returns, so things like juggernaut actually do something
>>540342923I think deathy will still be around post launch.
>>540343091only gun builds don't buy cc actives.
>>540343275>educational deadlocksure nigga lmfaooooothe “content creation” for this game is so trash outside of DNS
>>540343242He was one of the only good streamers idk why people here were bitching>NOOOO WHY ISN'T HE SPOUTING ZOOMERISMS AND BAITING HIS VIEWERS CONSTANTLY FOR CLIPS LIKE MY FAVORITE FRIEND- I MEAN STREAMERS ON TWITCHActually nauseating that people got so filtered by someone just streaming good gameplay while only making comments here and there
>>540339061What an epic image
>>540343201bro i spend half the game in some gay sludge of stuns slows and silences and you're telling me this is considered "very little"??? what a shit genre
Valve should add a vampire hero to this game that's an actual white european instead of a gook or a homeless swarthoid.
>>540343824they’re not gonna add a 3rd vampire, so you can just do us all a favor and kill yourself now
>>540343824>posts a gook
i hope one day they release the rank data but they probably wont cause im sure it's embarrassingly bad, im assuming 90% of the playerbase is below archon maybe even emissary currently
I dunno what it is about today that we have so many mean spirited people playing. My "trying to go pro" Pocket was bullying my Viscous for not getting kills, as a support hero... Anyway. Ended up being a busy Doorman, took down all 3 walkers almost all by myself, stole the rejuv when my whole team was dead, and bought every counter item possible to defeat the enemy Lash, Abrams and Drifter. I only got a single kill, but man, did I try everything to save my crumbling team. I appreciate you Viscous, hope you enjoy better matches than this one.
>>540344046Forgot to mention, we won!
>>540342498I've solo queued to eternus 6, 3 times on different accounts. It's incredibly easy to do. The game intentionally promotes new accounts faster so unless you are really bad you should always be higher than your main
I like those voice lines Krill has for emerging from burrow, he sounds so happy and yet they're not in the game.
>vindicta is recommended for newbies>she is mega trashWhy?>stake is not a root and so fucking huge that the enemy can always take cover behind something, exclusively a team fight skill to let your team catch up fags>flight is gimmicky, slow, makes you a huge target and harder to aim>crows are a shitty debuff for the enemy team and mid damage even with a spirit build>snipe takes a second to charge, makes this retarded transformer sound and has a giant, visible laser telling the enemy where you are lookingWhat a shit hero
ever since installing the horse girl mod I can't stop playing vindicta
>>540343969Remilia is a french lady.
>>540344353What was your winrate? My main account was low Phantom, deranked to Oracle and on an alt I hit Ascendant 1
>>540344746Proof?
This is the third time asking for Yamato advice. I am good at gun characters but can't do shit as her. Always feed.Nobody plays her I guess?
>>540345354watch wander on twitch right now friend
>>540344668Vindicta had one OP for a few months so she gets gutted meanwhile heroes like Seven, Warden, Paradox, and Abrams have been broken for nearly the entire games lifespan and get slaps on the wrist
>>540344668Unfortunately she is also one of the few cute grils in the game so there's always someone playing her. She'll never get buffed.
>>540343824there's a pretty big chance drifter is actually french considering he's both cajun and older than the concept of being cajun
I want to like Viscous because of his look and voice lines but his gameplay is not whimsical >make whimsical goo character >gameplay is highly technical What the FUCK were they thinking
>newbie>want to play hot girl>mina is too hard>vindicta is bad>calico, vyper and ivy are ugly>haze is literally never available>holliday is way too hard>lady geist is a bitch>mcginnis is fat>not good enough macro for wraithI guess all I have is Paige and Paradox...
Can't be a valve game without 90% of the female cast being fuckugly
>>540347474Miss Pauling is beautiful
>>540347474let me guess you only play gachas
>>540346860>lady geist is a bitchkill yourself right now
Played a lot of Doorman, I don’t think he’s that hard or has that high of a potential >use ult >do damage>use doors to escape The really swag plays I can happen but idk seems pretty straight forward
lefaa should genuinely be permabanned from the game
How do you guys deal with adrenalines?Whenever fights get heated, my hand is shaking and I can't aim anymore.
my deadlock hot take is that people super overrate playmaking ability rather than just straight up stat checking people
>>540348227Just picture everyone as naked and you'll be less nervous
>>540348110He is at his best when your teammates can make use of your portals. I guess you need to speak for that.
My deadlock hot take is I’m gay actor Michael Douglas and you are, Chinese
someone give me a good viscous build
You know who would've made a good doorman voice actor? James Woods
>How powerful is {Item ive never used}>Needs redesign
>Don't play aggressively>An aggressive enemy just holds (more or less) W+M1 at me and I die>Try to play aggressively>The enemy just holds (more or less) S+M1 at me and I dieI don't understand how to 1v1. I buy green items. What could be doing wrong?
>>540350110Intentionally providing bad data used for the improvement of a service others enjoy does not fulfill the categorical imperative, and represents a fundamental failure of ethics and morality. You are destined for eternal hellfire.
>>540350212don't be a fucking retard and if you wanna fight 1v1 know your matchups and the respective power spikes. With heroes like haze/wraith/vyper if you pick the wrong time to all in them you're just going to die.
>>540350110Negroid mentality
>>540350285If it's uninteresting enough for him that he's never used it (which is the point of the "needs redesign" question), then he's being honest
>>540350285he's indian so he thinks deliberately being a drain on others is a mark of courage
>Have to buy a 3200 soul item just to exist>Have to buy another 6400 soul item to stay alive >Shit like this can still happen Midgame is horrible.
>>540350285what a gigatic brainlet fag you are. The>{Item ive never used}implies the item is fucking dogshit so it needs redesign
>>540350510>oh no i can't just face tank shit on a squishy burst heromaybe buy surviveability, maybe use your dashes to dodge the bomb, maybe try not being an inbred, down syndrome ridden mongoloid
>>540350510>Have 2 to completely evade sticky bomb>Still die mainly to sticky bombNobody else to blame but your retarded self
what am I missing with spirit+melee abrams. it seems like you have>a solid gun because you have top 5 gun damage before items + a weapon damage steroid in charge>tankiness from 3 and boosted lifesteal due to spirit build, also veilwalker and counterspell give a bunch of spirit power and reactive barrier scales with spirit and those are like the top 3 best greens besides armors>burst damage from charge + melee + even further boosted lifesteal/coldfront from spirit snatch>CC from charge and ult>fast waveclear/farming from boosted lifesteal/coldfront and top 10 bullet velocity on a spreadshot so you can actually deny soulsit just feels like I have everything besides mobility
>>540350510How do you think the bomb bebop feels needing to spend 36k souls and get 150 bomb stacks to exist?
>>540350808>it just feels like I have everything besides mobilityWarp Stone is one of the best items in the game on fat fucks like Abrams
>>540350602One is not forced to reply to the player feedback notification. Also, it is entirely possible for relatively common items that go un-purchased on particular heros/situations to still show up on these surveys. (Anecdotally, I can say this has happened to me several times.). Even functional items may go un-purchased for this or that reason in a given individual player's experience - not having utilized them does not necessarily indicate value or lack thereof. Willfully lying and responding despite having an option to forgo this is, however, a failure of character at a fundamental level. Not only have you acted dishonestly, you have done so in an attempt to mislead the designers of a service others enjoy for your own amusement. Highly antisocial and outright harmful. As such, hellfire will consume him for all eternity. Thankfully!
I love the phrasing of Doorman's ultimate.
>>540343064It's a good day playing only the top heroes
>>540350763>face tank Got caught in a gank while in a fight.>survivability*CDHence the 3200 soul item in my post.>>540350803CD>>540350823The same way that mina needs stacks just to exist. Minus all the utility of bebop's kit.
>>540351252>The same way that mina needs stacks just to exist. Minus all the utility of bebop's kit.Totally man
>>540351294If you learn how to aim, a lot of characters suddenly become useful. You should try it sometime.
>Dead on arrival hero shooter nobody asked for with gays and pronouns? EEEEEEEEEK!! its woke!>Dead on arrival hero shooter nobody asked for with gays and pronouns but made by Valve this time? Wow so hecking basedWhat causes this?
>>540351373No way the guy complaining that Mina of all fucking heroes is too weak, is talking about needing skill of any kind kek
>>540351489/thread
>>540351148great character all around
>>540351581I never said that.
Everyone here is a tasteless zoomer that doesn't appreciate my good takes
>>540351489This, deadtards cant make up their mind
>>540351489>but made by Valve this time?answered your own question. Valve makes good games.
>>540351489there's literally nothing wrong with being pronouns
>kelvin>ivy>abrams>monkey and krokodil>seven >yamato>b-b-but mina is 2 strongare you guys just shitters or whatit would be nice if we could see the average damage % a hero does in a match maybe then you guys would actually have a reason to complain
>>540352975Who is complaining about Yamato? You think Yamato is OP?
>>540346860Isn't Paradox just as hard as Holliday as you have to land your shots and wombo combo?
>>540353714Every single hero in the game needs to land their shots
>>540346860wraith macro guide>is tesla bullets in your inventory>if so is there a minion wave near you>clear it>if not>jungle>repeat until mercurial magnum surge of power
>>540353853>minion
Gross/sexy looking spider girl hero who can walk on walls and shoot webs
Decided to try Gunman. He really does do a lot of damage, but I struggle to track enemies. What is your mouse sensitivity? I'm using 1250 DPI and 1.50 in-game.
>>540353776Well can't argue with that. I'd still say Paradox is kinda hard to play, carbine has lengthy cooldown too. She can be really scary if you opponent has good aim though.
>>540354249>What is your mouse sensitivity?Never understand why people even ask this retarded question.It's like asking someone "Hey, you run pretty quick, what's your shoe size?"
Why are Abrams players like this?https://bsky.app/profile/rtzerobara.bsky.social/post/3lzjsysb4p22f
>blueskyI shan't be clickin
ermm which build from the browser for a first time doorman
>Try out new hero>Laned against Eternus Billy and his magician buddyAlright cool
>>540354695Your loss.
>>540354784Piggy's build is probably the best one
Paradox gun is burst fire thobeit and therefore objectively ass because she cant get the most op items (fire rate)I also think her skill req is over rated, its the same combo 80% of the time
>>540350285>>540351012Dont care, not reading all that shit>>540350402>>540350602The only anons with a brain
>>540354831>zero skill ''art''Nothing of value was lost
So how do you carry as a Doorman? Or is this another hero you play basically just for fun?
>>540355775You either get so fed that Gunman somehow works or you work hard enough to make it literally impossible for whoever you're backing up to not succeed
>>540321691>s teirMakes sense>a teirYam doesnt belong but ok, one tricks I get it>b teirGeist LOL>c teirGrey talon LOL>d teirAcceptable>f+ teir All understandable but I still think dynamo is underrated and should be mod prio
>>540356170*mid not mod
>win four games in a row>rank doesn't budge one inch from where I was before those four gamesHow the fuck do these fucking ranks work
>this thing is on your teamhttps://tracklock.gg/players/47887678>goes 0-12 as gun paigeit's one of you tards isnt it
>>540356719>53.2% wrbetter than yours innit
>>540356170That's not a tier list retard it's just pick/ban from a "pro" tournament.>I still think dynamo is underratedHe's not, he is very shitty right now in anything other than low ranks. He is easy to play around, has limited usefulness early to mid game and doesn't work a huge ton as a support. His only redeeming factor is his ult which needs a huge investment to be good and even then he can be easily killed or interrupted during it.
>>540355775Play gun and win 1v1s by clicking heads with your gigantic cannon ball bullets (stun from luggage cart makes it easier)You're extremely squishy and lose out on any numbers disadvantage so you're playing a very delicate game if you do that though
>>540356561They don't lol. If you care about ranks just create a new account abuse carries and get to mid oracle - low phantom in like 10-15 wins.
>>540356910Yea no, hes underrated. Every one of his abilities are good and the ult build is a brainrot that has infected everyone. His base ult is already overkill
>>540356809yeah that's a great point, because his tranny build works 53% of the time this game was not griefed because of it
>>540357218everyone has their bad matches. even you. don't worry about it and certainly don't stew in negativity to the point you vent on /vg/ about it, that's just immature! :)
>how fun is it to play against this hero? >Pocket>5 - very fun
>>540357481>Holier than thou hall monitor ITTFaggot
>>540342923The only one that might still be here is eido imo. The biggest redflag is actual content. The good players ain't got time for that, at most you get an unedited vod
New ish player here. How am I meant to play Abrams now that I’m queuing against people that know how to parry? You don’t really have any burst without the charge-melee combo.
So when are we going to see some Viscous nerfs, this hero has been gigacancer and if you think otherwise you haven't been against a good one. Having a CHARGED ability that deals heavy melee AND another spirit nuke that scales at nearly 2x is fucking insane, whether he requires skill or not this character is insane. Rest of his kit is great too.
>>5403402802 points in stomp for the dmg amp is your power spike but after you need to max heal, its kind of ass until maxxed
>>540357481That's you isn't it
>>540358207Understood. 3 damage decreased by 5%. Cube heal increased by 40%.
>>540357481also, they werent having a bad match it was just a literal grief to build gun items into their team but he did it anyway we needed aoe magic damage, support items, and shields but they chose to lose the game because they only want to play gun
Do you think people at the top of games lose their spot at full released because they're actually not that good or because they simply don't have the hunger?
Deadlcok more like DEIflop haha
>>540358536Proof read your posts nigga this aint discord
>>540358601This isn't english class neither
>>540358165Anyone? My first few games with him felt great but now I feel literally useless, and just not playing him anymore.
Is there any SFM porn yet?
>>540358705Your mistake is building melee in the first place. Go gun and burst niggers down with your trusty revolver.OR learn to bait out parries
>>540358845Get with the times old man, it’s blender porn now. And tiny amounts, you'll have to wait for it to leave invite only.
>>540331315>ult is he pulls out the AWP and gets 4 shotHows it different to vindicta?
>>540357948You mad.>>540358845Yes, see >>540354457
>>540355775Sharpshooter (because shooting through portals counts as being at range).Backstabber (will often proc as you can appear from random angles)And express shot.
>>540358328I should add also for the stomp power spike you want Mystic burst+kinetic dash. I know it feels like blasphemy to not go Arcane surge but this combo is the highest damage coinciding with your ability unlock
>>540357214>Yea no, hes underrated>stomptelegraphed ability that you can simply dodge or jump over with mediocre damage/utility.>QEvery situational short range dash+invincibility that kills all your momentum. On one hand you get to negate an incoming hit, but it also allows for the enemy to reposition for free>healonly good mid game or if you go full heal build, otherwise falls off hard>ultsituational and bad unless you invest heavily into it.On top of that his base scaling is mediocre, his gun is ass and his base stats are pretty middle of the road. Dynamo can't carry and can only make a significant impact mid to late game, but still relies on your allies being able to capitalize on your abilities and your team comp being somewhat geared towards him. But go for it and chase that 50% winrate with him in solo q with randoms.
>>540356934>>540359231Are you baiting me into going 1/12 next game or do people really play Doorman as a gun build now?
>>540359370Some people do yeah
bring back sololanes. if you wanna pick viktor, fine, but ruin your own fucking lane. stop forcing ME to lane with this hot plate of diarrhea.
>>540359370Dont get my doorman build, its such a gimmick.>Max out the portal ability with range>Juggernaut, fleetfoot, i am going FAST.>I AM FAST AND I AM TELEPORT>try flank enemy>die>try flank again>ez kills and kill an objective>Sometimes pull off the trick of portaling an enemy into a walker.But i also havent tried spirit doorman at all, seems the 1 ability can be a good bit of damage.
>>540359370You can pretty much freely harass and run away, get whatever angles you like, the cart is a free space maker, bell can help delay. It wouldn't be my go to but it’s definitely viable, if not as burst as like Haze or whatever. But people are gonna despise being anywhere within sight line or you or your doors.
>>540359410Well shit, gonna try this one after work then, my team is in for a surprise
>>540359265Stomp is cracked, literally his best abilityQe is free better eth shift Heals is probably his worst ability early because of the immobility but t3 is goodUlt is literally one of the best in the game and needs no investment beyond a way to land it + maybe unstoppable His gun is not ass(see gun dynamo builds), he has a dmg amp and a fire rate buff+free reload in his kit. I have 60% winrate on him and a couple hundred games. I would reccomend actually reading the abilities instead of listening to streamers with 3 games on him
shiv is such an odd hero. Aesthetically, thematically, mechanically. Just all around odd.
>>540359205Paige player isn't gonna let you hit lil pup
Parry should be an active item, rather than innate. OR there should be an item that ignores a parry every X amount of time.
>>540359947I don't care about ranks. I don't even know what rank Lil Pup is.
>>540359993>Parry should be an active itemMaking any close range sustain characters (Billy, Mo, Abrams, etc.) instant lane winners???
>>540358459Don't forget the community reaction which is constant whinging that a "weak" hero got nerfed like whenever Paradox or Ivy got nerfs
>>540359812what's the build for gun dynamo?
>>540360030You would explode reading blood meridian
>>540360115Considering that currently all melee items might as well not exist unless you're smurfing outside of the once every 5 matches moment when you bait out the parry? Yeah. Maybe include like a cheap long cd lower stun 800 version, better 1600, and so on. Melee should require counter picks like everything else in the game instead of everyone having a free long as fuck stun baked into the basic mechanics.
ruskies, what's the most undetectable cheat?
>>540357934>How powerful is this hero?>Mina>Weak [1]I can't wait to get her buffed again
>>540360395Try to speak like a normal person next time. Also, Blood Meridian is overrated, repetitive, edgy schlock. The prose gimmick is cool but the whole book is just "We went to another hot dusty mexican town and killed everyone and there were babies in cactuses wow" over and over. Read another book.>>540360515Adderall.
>>540360772>Talk like a normal personZero self-awareness
>>540360942What's with this sass? Are you still upset about some random Gun Paige? Who cares.
>how strong is close quarters>[2]You will NOT nerf the only melee replacement item.
>>540361068>Tell someone they're acting abnormal>Get called out>"What's with this sass?"Autist
>>540360317 There is a couple variants but basically its just fire rate I go for the mystic burst+kinetic dash+ t2 stomp powerspike, if your timing is tight enough you can qe aiming at your feet(ends the animation a little faster)to stack the qe fire rate with the kinetic dash fire rate. If you have an awake lane mate its a free kill even better if its a similar power spike timing like the doorman t2 bellAfter that you can go bullet resist shredder or burstfire then work your way up to shadow weave
>>540361140What the fuck is a Lil Pup? Is it some fetish term?
>>540360478Nigga if parry is removed as a basic ability those heroes can just walk at you spamming light melees and fucking kill you from the first creep wave
>>540361290>Euro hears the word pup and thinks of fetishesMan.
>>540358845valve does not make goonable characters so no
>>540360515Radar is basically impossible to prove2nd machine so your client is clean For lans they have peripheral cheats but I wouldnt reccomend, instead you can set up phone apps to vibrate signals to you while winning the grand final
>>540360515radar but it's barely going to help you in this game
>>540361445Okay then how do you make melee builds not a brick at anything above the lowest level play?
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198003856791/just went against this smurfnigger, check his friends list it's literally just a string of various smurf accounts with various 1 game owned and such, what the fuck is wrong with these faggots?
>>540361879add feints or keep the heavy melee charged until you release Q
>>540361068he isn't even the original poster about paige dude I am, and you do post weird.
>>540361493Every new buzzword-insult on this site is fetish related. "Cuck". "Tranny". Seems like a reasonable guess, and you are being rather cagey about it, so perhaps it's best not to inquire further.
>People are still downplaying meleeYou guys know Abrams consistently has top winrate in higher elo right
>walk near store>BING BONG BING BING BING BONG BING BING BING BING BONG
>>540362472BOUGHT THAT OFF A KNICKABOCKER THAT WAS ABOUT TO GET HIS LEGS BROKEN
>>540362459By not building melee yea.
>>540362674yeah
>>540362459Because Abrams is super tanky with hard CC that lets him be in the frontlines and have the ability to either setup a kill or peel for his teammates. If abrams never melee'd once in a match he would still be good at high. The melee is only good BECAUSE of abrams kit, he has nothing inherently that buffs his melee, he just has the easiest way to set it up
>>540360772adderall doesnt really help with decision making, working memory, cognitive skills etc it just gives raw focus. would only with if ur aim is already good, if you have boomer hands adderall wont do much in this game.
How much time does having a successful parry eat up on your end? Whenever I'm chasing someone if I'm out of utility / CC I just melee spam if I'm with teammates to try to slow them down, is this retarded gameplay or optimal?
statlocker is a load of horseshitIts not accurate at all
>>540363252Small sample size hurts it but there is nothing wrong with random uploading, across enough games there will be an equal number of wins and losses skipped
>>540363178If your prey is on their last legs, a successful parry is one of the only things capable of letting them escape or kill you, so don't do it if a few headshots will do.
>>540363178see for yourself
>>540362937Yeah that’s not a melee build thats one item to increase melee range solely to proc another that steals spirit & res.
hoping for mina nerfs to her laning, hitting for 2-300 with a passive is stupid as fuck
>>540322238People see cosmic entity disguising itself as bellhop and the first thing they think is "Quite frankly I want to fuck it/them". And its so cool, like sex isnt a tabboo anymore, and sex workers are common so humanity says to him hey you can also work as a prostitute and its okay. Can you imagine the confusion on Doorman's face when he hears that and the indescribable, intangible feeling... and the thoughts that follow>Think about how many guests it might bring to the Baroness Doorman, but the cage-thing is it... really necessary... He says to himself. Is he aroused maybe? ..An elder God mind you?... embarrassed a little? Probably both. Frankly this is so interesting and says a lot about society as whole.
This is the most damage I have ever dealt.I fucking hate Initiate. Get me out of here already.
>>540361879By only going for heavy melees on enemies that have whiffed their parries or are stunned long enough that they cannot parry me. Not every hero needs to be able to just run at people holding down the Q key
>>540363914
>>540364005youre never getting out of initiate lmaoand neither am I
>>540362937>Melee build>No crushing fists>No lifestrike>Literally only the item for casters and the one that makes your punch slowYou really need to spectate those games if you think Eternus level Abrams players are non-stop heavy meleeing people
>>540364005I loved it, I had like 80% winrate on bebop until Initiate 5
Why does Haze has 3 butts?
I just think it’s really fucking stupid that you can’t guarantee a heavy melee without a parry with Abrams S2 or ult. like there’s zero reason for that not to be a 1-2 combo bread and butter for him, that’s like his only burst option.
>>540364351you can though, just buy duration extender
>>540364351Ult stuns for 1.25 and charge like 1.15 without items, that's enough time for a heavy in both situations (assuming you didn't add distance to the equation)
>>540364351oh, youre probably just not buffering your skills properly or not on top of them close enoughyou should be holding melee mid charge so it comes out before they can parry
>>540363914Insightful!
>>540364845You can hold it in charge?>>540364524>doesn't work unless you rush a mid-game item
>>540363914you had me until the cage shit, tranny beheavior
>>540364967yes, google input buffering
>>540363914the cage can go that's too gay even for me but otherwise i'm in>tfw no cosmic god to ride you relentlessly just to watch you squirm why even live
>gun abramsis this viable? fuck parrying and fuck counterspell, i just need to get close enough to m1
>>540365375sex with fujo spirou
>>540364972>>540365375I just assumed (correctly) it will get me more reppeys, personally I dont see the appeal from either side
>>540365635yeah sure nigga you aren't into cage, totally doesn't start as a way to get reaction then devolves into obsession
I don't get how to play Shiv. Seems impossible to keep Rage up
>>540366073land yo knifes
>>540365754Not happening champ
>Stomp lane on doorCHAD>Rush veil walker early>Time knockdown purchase with maxxed cart>Sometimes even get something super cancer like decay if I'm feeling cheeky>Everyone on the enemy team runs in fear of me>Hard focus heroes I don't like (like Shiv and Bebop niggers)Good GOD this hero is kino
>>540365602You're supposed to go spiritmaxxing if parrying gets you down.Torment pusle rush + mystic slow / suppressor / yellow triangle / bullet resist shredder + AoE/duration expanders and cool down reduction + whatever active you can afford / counters them bestRush charge 5 and siphon 5 and brool with team. Get some basic greens like enduring speed and +1 stamina and passive makes you tanky enough if you know basic evasive movement
>>540360478Do you genuinely not understand why the change to parry stun was done? How letting players effectively ignore the counter play system to melee by stacking debuff resistance meant that for a good 2 months any character who had a good excuse to run melee builds, did so, because it was optimal?I *like* melee and while I agree its on the weaker side right now, you're fucking nuts if you think countering it is something players should have to opt into.
>1/8/2 Bebop giving horrible comms>Everyone does what he says>Everyone dies repeatedlyYou should not be allowed to use voice chat if you are bad at the game.
>>540366613sounds like absolute aids to deal with, i will try this next. thx bru
>>540366841did his items look like this
>>540366073I think people are running decay for that now
>>540367180That chadbop has 19 assits, put some respeck on him
>>540359812>voluntarily choosing to play as a fat fuckngmi
>>540367180too bad 19 assists on a walking healtard doesn't win the game
I just learned that tankbusters effect triggers based on the BASE damage of the attack PRIOR to resistances. Pretty insane value
>>540359370I've been having fun, 3 victories 1 defeat so far
>>540366841I don't know why but since like June 90% of the time when a player is being bossy about macro it's a Bebop and yea they're pretty much always negative. At the very least they're not always wrong about their calls, but then 50% of the time when they are they fail to follow through on their own calls. Like they make a good call for mid while they're shoving a lane that has only guardians left for objectives, I confirm it and immediately start moving for mid and 30 seconds later they're still up by yellow dicking around in jungle or something, not even pressuring guardians to make what's left of the enemy team choose.
>>540368050>passing up express shot
>>540368050How did your team get four Doormen?
>>540367060It's kind of good. I learned about it getting my ass handed byone in a casual game. Guy somehow got ahead so hard that he got Escalating exposure + Scourge and became Victor who stuns you every eight seconds.From what I have played as, there are some hiccups.>Passive requires time to regen - so it's better to learn about sightlines on lane and how to hide.>Abrams gun is absolute cancer when it comes to denying or using restorative shot>Melee lifesteal is acceptable as early purchase, even if it's only for the +30 heal you get from smacking creeps every now and then. The +100 hp flat from hittting someone who wasted his parry can be good.>Torment pusle is main roadblock. Getting 3200 can be hard if you are only essential green (which include enduring speed because Abrams is arbitarily slower than everyone else). >After getting it I usually get suppressor and mystic slow. You can start brawling after torment pulse and before them, but torment pusle damage is kind of low before you pick other purples. >It's better to try to get into enemy backline (easy with ult). Abrams is really good at picking off stragglers from fights, and being teams stunmaster doesnt really work before you pick up Superior Duration (propably most important purple upgrade, it adds to ever skill abrams has).
Matchmaking is sending its strongest demons as of late. It's killing me. I actually have strong desire to play Deadlock everyday and run some games. Yet as soon as I do one game I just get shit on by the matchmaking and lose all desire to play for the day. Then I go in the next day and expecting something to change.
EUW?
>>540368396Wouldn't you like to know
Mirage>fate has other plans for me today... today I try hotdog...I love this nigga so much
Did they get rid of the zesty looking guitar lessons billboard with the black ghost? I feel like I haven't seen it since May.
>DING DING DING>*WHISTLE*your response?
>>540369425F
>>540369425Look at her feet
>>540369425>swap back to other half of mapthat was close!
>Win some games>Queues start getting suspiciously long>Start getting Eternus players and smurfs in my lobbiesYoshi fucking kill yourself
>>540369425>I don't remember New York being so dangerous!
idk if im crazy but most of the heroes are severely lacking in funlike who finds wraith engaging
>>540369425>counterspell>warp stone>phantom strike>knockdown>unstoppable>an ability>positioningit's crazy to me how his ultimate is still so good despite so many available counters.
>>540371198wraith depends on the enemies to know how to play to have gameplay, otherwise its singleplayer freeroam until you eventually win. just play someone else until you get to Alchemist or something
While we're on Abrams talk, am I making a mistake going for his S3 first? It feels too passive but it lets me ignore early poke and needing to rush greens.
Wish quick silver reload was split into two items. I like the idea of being able to get a flat damage boost to an ability on a seperate cooldown but I also like the ability to reload using an ability and the two ideas kind of feel at odds.
>>540371404>get a flat damage boost to an ability on a seperate cooldownYour Mystic burst, mister?
>>540371404it's a great hybrid item
>>540363914Kill yourself
>>540327443fair enough
>>540334968I could see him playing the Glowie too.
>finish game>eternus 6 average bruhim phantom
here is an ideaonce you are into the very late game you can pay x ammount of souls to turn an item into a passiveyou keep the stats, you keep the effect but it no longer takes up an item slot
>>540365602'm playing gun Abrams exclusively>is it the best build?No fucking clue>is this the most fun build?1488% yes, melee is clunky, spirit is braindead, pure green is trolling
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dota2_gamepedia/images/a/a3/Vo_tusk_tusk_attack_09.mp3
>>540369425thats a nice hero you got theretoo bad i have a 3200 itempick a better hero next time
>>540371404the whole shop is fucked its impossible to get ammo nowadays, active reload is bad, fleetfoot ammo got removed, ammo scavenger removed, etc. i cant even remember. either you are blessed to be ivy or build qsr (if you have an ability for it) and suffer. in general the gun balancing doesnt really make sense, half the heroes cant build gun even if they wanted to cause the scaling is fucked
>>540371397Its a good idea if you are laning against poking m1tards like Fern or Mina, abandoning the lane to heal early might cost you a lane
Playable Fairfax
Why do I keep getting dropped from spectating games and why can't the client handle it without killing the process?
>>540372532
is there a fix for the crosshair border
A crazy snake lady is holding me hostage and forcing me to play her send help!Worst part of all these defeats?>Almost every time I am the highest scoring person on my team and that is a low, low bar to reach.
>>540371198I fall asleep playing seven
>>540373482the game used to reward this
>>540372865I think people sleep on active reload, its not the best but its also not bad
>>540373527
>>540373482Thanks Yoshi 4 lanes are gone, now delete Paige and we're good
is there a viable/fun gun hero that isnt a bullet hose
>>540374081Geist.
>>540373876Paige exists only to be split shot cheese or a pocket support for her eternus smurf, kill all Paige maines
>>540374114i play gun geist but it feels shitty when the only good "ammo" item is spellslinger and she also ends up with a bunch of fire rate with items like frenzy so it doesnt feel nice to playmaybe ill just play glocket or some shit
>>540373742Even without a fat snake pussy, Haze is bad anyway.Now they asked themselves "What if Haze could fly, area deny, heal herself and teammates, was able to hardstun and gain i-frames on a cooldown?" and made Ivy.They asked themselves "What if Haze but with spirit damage, an ability that makes you inherently immune to slows and also made you instantly faster than everyone else while covering the entire ground you walk on in massive DOT damage, 5 built-in debuff items and an ability to secure mdiboss?" and made Nigfernus.Haze is genuinely a joke gun hero to mock Soldier 76 players.
>>540371198mei like walking up to enemy jungle campsnuking the creepsthen teleporting 50 meters away and popping fleetfoot
>>540372219How lucky for you. I'm eternus and I keep getting put into games with emissaries in my fucking team
>>540371659mystic burst has requirements, QSR is a flat 60 damage no matter what the ability does, as long as it deals damage.
Is there any particular build for Mo & Krill or is it just unga whatever?
Weird game where we were constantly 10-20% behind in net worth and 20-30 kills behind, the enemies were about to win with our 2nd patron down to 20% health, our Lash did a team wipe with his ult at fountain, then single handedly breached enemy base and 1st patron, then got killed, the enemy team did teamwipe us after we respawned, but our creeps took their entire patron 2nd health bar while they were walking to our base.
>>540374081Due to the way fire rate is calculated its basically always the most optimal route, only exception being burst fire heros because it doesnt work on them. I think paradox is probably the least shit gun build of the burst fire heros
Where can I learn the exact spawn timings for the buffs and sinners?
>>540373731The problem I have with active reload is that it's doing too much while doing too little a lot of the time.Being able to essentially cut your reload in half with a timing mechanic is great and the buffs you get for using an active reload are great...But when active reload is on cooldown the item does nothing for you besides a bit of max ammo and the buffs you get for active reload are so good that it feels like something you'd want to start a fight with rather than once every 12s and after you already used your first mag...I would unironically rather they remove all of the buffs from using an active reload and instead removed the cooldown from active reload entirely (or maybe add like a 6s one if you mess up an active reload). Maybe have an upgrade to active reload that gives the buffs but have those buffs be on a seperate cooldown
>>540374872Buffs is at 5 min and every 5min after.Most boxes and urns at 2min + small camps.Bigger camps and sinners are 8min I think?
>>540374228just build her suboptimally, you can still win it will just be harder.
>>540374872wiki
>>540323874Tracklock
>>540375075>sinners have a minigameI didn't even notice and I got all four buffs 98% of the time lol.
>>540371334it's literally a flying multihit dynamo/holliday ult with gigantic range and the ability to displace the entire enemy teamwith a way shorter cooldown than dynamo's
>>540374938Ive used it a bit and I actually do start fights with it a lot, shoot 1 bullet then hit it right before going in, which does waste the reload part of it so I see what you are sayingI just like it because it gives me nostalgia for gears of war
>>540323773Really hope they don’t nerf her skills because they want to push Gunvy. I find support-debuff and pure spirit to be more fun builds than Gunvy. There are plenty of other fun builds but not many people have the same area denial & debuff + support combo package she does.
>>540371334>positioningthat doesn't work vs a good lash since they wait until enough of the team has no way to get undercover.
>>540375551yeah ivy should be a support, there are plenty of gun carries already.
>>540375551She has to be a gun support because every single other support is a spirit support
>playing victor>macro my ass off>get 35k souls while everyone else has 20k>"come online">every enemy just stays outside my tiny stank aura>can't do shit>end up with the lowest hero damage in the gameWhy do people consider this hero good when you need at least enemies in your aura to break even at 35k, and not even seeker-tards are dumb enough to pile on you?
>>540375826Nobody considers him good thobeit
>>540375826He is fun against retards or if you are far enough above someone skillwise that you get an insane lead. Playing him against humans is suffering though.
>>540375826He got nerfed hard, people who think he's good have the initial version of the character in their mind
>>540375826>every enemy just stays outside my tiny stank auraSlowing HexWarp StonePhantom StrikeVortex Web
>>540376095are you really better off doing that than just going gun
>>540375808Gun is way more oversaturated though. Everyone and their mother can go gun. Ivy's skills are too good and fun to be dumpstered for the sake of making yet another gun.
>>540376095>sacrifice all the items he literally needs to function in order to allow him to functionUh...
>>540373527preachin to the choir bro....
>>540373527welcome to moba games where most "pros" here will tell you every fight is on a vaccum and it's so easy to counter every character with one item
>>540376248That's how this game works. You can't have every good item. That's why they reduced the slots from 16 to 12.
>>540376228No they aren't. She has 1 actual spirit damage ability (kudzu bomb). And even then it's mostly just there Her ultimate shreds bullet resistance and applies silence as utility, her covenant gives firerate and bullet lifesteal, and her statue form is a heal and stun. She even used to have free Fleetfoot and it was only removed because it was OP, but the purpose was that it played into her gun playstyle.
>>540376637Most characters that require items to function actually function with items...
>>540375826Victor, like Abrams, is a punch-down character.If you aren't at least an entire bracket above the enemy team it's going to suck ass.
>>540377161Yeah it's truly too bad that Victor lacks any sort of self-sustaining ability or an ability that would be incredibly good at farming. Truly a shame
TIMETOBRAWL
Love how vyper fanart is just an entirely different character every single time i see her because no one wants to draw that frog looking fuck we actually have in game
>>540376825>kidzu>area denial, harassment, combos great with debuff items, can be built for surprisingly good damage>covenant is an okay buff, but more importantly shares healing so you get insane mileage out of healing actives>immunity & stun on statue>great utility on ult, great debuffs tooI'm sorry but just because her skills aren't all damage doesn't mean they're bad, I genuinely think gunvy is the blandest possible build for her.>but metaI said blandest, not least optimal. Ivy does need nerfs, I just hope the nerfs don't target the unique parts of her kit in exchange for yet another boring ass gun carry.
>>540377597Thanks for visiting our thread :^)
>>540377664They're gonna nerf her gun because it is doing more damage than Haze gun. But she is still quite clearly the gun-support hero.The fact her abilities aren't all damage and several of them benefit her gunplay just means she's never going to be as good with spirit as she will with gun. I'm just telling you the intent of her design.
>>540377597who drew this? she looks hot in this, just needs boobage
>>540377919Suitedwolf.word of warning, 95% of his art is just gay
>>540374540mystic explosion, QSR on 1, trophy collector, then magic carpet, you're welcome>>540375826get berserker and put surge of power on your 2 its still kinda ass but its the best ive found
>>540378314well that was disappointing, it's all redditor memes
>>540373527If you have the best score as a gun hero and aren't winning that's on you. Should be running down lanes and shredding their turrets 24/7
>>540377853If they want more gun supports they should make more support gun items, gun items are by far the most selfish. Nevermind that Kudzu w/debuff spirit items will by far be the better debuff applier outside of 1v1s or ultra long range poking.
>>540319487My greatest secret?I stole Vyper 1:1 for my D&D campaign to use as an NPC. Midwest accent and everything. The players fucking love her
>>540378641That would be tesla bullets really. Which every gun Ivy buys
Who are the most chad heroes to play?
>>540378851Abrams>punch>parried and die>win anywayliterally don't need to give a fuck on that hero like a true chad.
>>540378851brapbrams
>>540378851If you care for other's opinions in this thread then no suggestion might help you. Just kidding, its Abrams because I play him
>>540376276I dont even know what you are supposed to do with this character, just drive by people?
how to fix victor>t3 aura pulls enemies to the ground and reduces dash speed as well>is a sphere nowit’s crazy how a single wall jump counters his entire kit. No wonder he 42% wr high elo
>>540378851melee vindicta
Do you just cope and dilate if you're on a squishy hero and your team just leaves you to die in every teamfight, I'm not talking diving in the middle I'm talking I try to play the sidelines and get my damage and utility in and I get focused out by multiple people even when I get on mic and say "help x hero"
>>540379854Yes. They need to reduce damage across the board in this game, which likely won't happen because redditors would cry and shit their pants.
>>540379854yes, there's nothing you can do when your team refuses to commit to a fight or cover for a teammate. sometimes you're so out of position you just have to accept you got picked, other times it's obvious they're incompetent
>>540379854I don't play squishies I wouldn’t know.
>>540378851yep it's Abrams and also Lash. Everyone else is a faggot
>>540379854if youre playing a squishy hero with no movement or escape youre probably fucked and youre probably also positioning badly anyways so skill issue and brain damage problem on your end
>>540379854Buy items for escape/survival then, its always in your hands
>>540380401Dunno man it feels kind of nigger that 3 of my teammates be chasing one guy on quarter HP while another is hiding and a teamfight hero is holding his ult a little too long mostly spectating. Should I just adapt and toss my util and instantly fuck off or just give up on teamfighting if I start to notice those patterns and lane janny? I'm not very high rank usually hover around Oracle and Phantom seems like it happens in basically any game I get at times between Ritualist and Phantom
>>540379965They already did tard
>>540380819Not enough because Talon is still doing >200 damage on 3 charges by 4 minutes
Victor was knee-jerk nerfed.He was fine at launch, but no one knew how to fight him.Now that people know how to fight him he's heavily underpowered unless you're smurfing in initiate from Oracle+.
>>540380804>my teammates>chasing like retardsye see even in a "higher rank" people will do stupid shit. Fundamentally, it doesn't matter what theyre doing, farm the fucking map, split push the objectives, rake in the gold. the moment you start thinking about your teammates, relying on them and trying to process their decision making you start losing the mental game. you can only control your own decisions. make the optimal play yourself, learn how to do that. you want to focus on being more efficient, the direct results of teamfights, matches, whatever, does not matter.
>>540359265QE gives a completely silent warpstone with zero particles.
>>540376276At least I know im not alone in this suffering.
Character idea: combat maid for one of the high society characters. Guns under skirt. Probably a little more noire/steampunk-y.
>>540340137I was trying spirit abrams. Didn't work so good :(
>>540381431what build did you do?
>>540378485That is what I do, it does not matter when if the matchmaking has decided to roll you with 5 idiots who don't even brawl thus providing opening for pushing, no they just get picked. Over and over and over again.
>>540381420
>>540379687a mina apologist made this
>>540381560Just make the skirt longer with more layers and ruffles. So its less improper and more like a curtsy. Unless you mean like, maids as a concept in which guess yeah.
>>540381553I've been trying Mast's Soul Sucking Abrams. It sucks alright..it only works in pisslow lobbies, nothing Archon and above (for me)
wtd they nerfed fortitude
>try to build for an easier time early, brick my mid game>try to build for long term, brick my early?>>540381720Spirit abrams is fine Mast's is just really mediocre.
>>540381718We have the Doorman for the ''servile person in uniform'' archetype, enough is enough. See Paige and Mina filling the same niche already, shit gets boring fast
>>540381560it's called kino siradd dolljoints to the mix if you would like to cinemamaxx
>>540381420Boring
>>540382145urgot is better than your tranime
>>540375826Really doesn't help that most victor players i've seen are literally braindead and just walks towards their enemies without planning or care.
>>540382145Only if the main attraction is that the hero in question is a reanimated doll or a golem, and not the maid part. Maybe maid is some kind of disguise to hide its real purpose
>>540382145do you have any other creative source than touhou
I think /dlg/ is just gay because they seethe at all the cute girl characters like Haze, Vindicta, and Mina and bitch at any posts about potentially adding new cute girl heroes but talk about fucking Abrams and Doorman all the time
>>540382537He got what?
Veilwalker is meta on vyper because you are already doing dumbass loops
Born to play Bebop, forced to play Abrams
>>540382906drop the cringe hook character
When will Yoshi nerf Mina's structure dmg
>>540382650Because cuteshit, whether female or male, has never been good or interesting or original and has never attracted decent players either. Stick to gacha games animenigger.
>>540382960Abrams is cringe though
>>540381924Doorman technically is that yes but its part of a veneer of condescending, inscrutable cunt.>Paige and Mina filling the same nicheThe niche of being conventionally attractive? They're nothing at all alike.
>>540383010/dlg/ says abrams is chadbebop is omega cringe slop. hook characters are for rotund retarded losers
>>540382960t. Mina/Grey Talon/Vindicta getting hooked out of your gay ass flights
>>540383156Someone got hooked
>>540383127Miniskirt and thigh highs, thats their niche. Nothing else sticks out, Paige has no personality, Mina's attitude is Calico 2_0, down to the Pocket hate.
People were shitting on greenbop earlier, how do you build him? Gonna try him for the first time tonight when I get off shift.
>>540382906Prio Bebop then
I play Doorman and exclusively target tanktards, nothing more satisfying than making a cocky tanktard that's used to mindlessly holding W fear for their lives.
gun geist is my new religion
>>540383302How reductive of you.>>540383524Thanks for ulting me and letting me heal for half my hp.
>>540383519Vindicta should be moved up to requires a brain simply because she's a contender for worst hero in the game right now, metaslaves could never. Mina is also pretty unforgiving if you're bad at her despite all the seething here.
>>540383519I will not stand by as the hero with the highest iq requirement is slandered senselessly Mo and krill is the most cognitively demanding hero in this game and its not even close
>>540383651I decay before I ult though
>>540383885fucj
Can they nerf Spellbreaker? Yamato becomes unplayable when someone buys this item against her, it's incredibly annoying that I have to waste sweep slash before power slash while gun barely gets any 6200 counter item.
>>540384210Curse them or change your combo to force proc it.
>>540384210Cold front
I LOVE MY DEADLOCK TEAM MATESEvery fucking game I get a drifter on my team, its the most disgusting retarded drooling freak I've ever seen, one topping the other.And every time there's a drifter on the enemy team, he's equally retarded but always focuses me and wins fight through sheer retardation alone because his gun damage late game simply is not fucking balanced lmao.Point is, round up all drifter players and put them down, but don't aim for the head. Make it painful.And you know what, I could've fucking carried.I was solo winning every fight, but the retard fucking left, and once he left 3 others did. At that point there was nothing we could do. But of course it still counts as a loss for us.This system needs to change. If someone DCs after a terrible performance (not connection issues when they were performing well or something) they eat the loss of all 5 team mates, as well as their own, plus they get penalized plus the rest of the team ends up with a net zero impact on their rank. It's the only way to teach these animals a lesson.
>>540384210Oh no! An item designed to counter combo characters counters my combo...Anyway.
>>540384210gun has way stronger counters than spirit though lol
>>540382145sinclair would probably have doll joints in their finished modelsince they're possessing a mannequin
>>540384429There is 0 chance you could have carried because you ran no vit
New player here, any video I should watch, wiki to read or anything to understand and learn the game?Thanks.
>>540384210Plated Armour counters gun builds just as hard I would argue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nQhBD2UNs
>>540384695I had 3 lifestealing itemsAnd fortitude was my next buy.
>>540384429Just had a game with drifter go 0-5-0 and leave at 10mins. So I fully agree with you anon. It is always drifters. Put them to a camp.
CONJURING ARABS!
>>540385079british government be like
>>540385175it's lowkey embarrassing when you /pol/tards try to spread your vitriol in irrelevant spaces, general for a video game and you're posting this probably a grown ass man
How much green is too much green?
>>540385397Depends on the character.
>>540384296>>540384287It's just in one instance from each hero, right? Not like Counterspell where it parries everything within that second?>>540384497I mean yeah>>540384542>>540384770plated reduces gun damage taken by 40%, it's a constant reduction by 40% while spellbreaker is on a 10 sec cd with 75% reduction.
>>540385351I have never been on /pol/ a single minute in the years I've spent on this website.Also, insanely low quality bait. Unless you're brown, then it is to be expected.
nobody goes to pol, it's just mossad bait threads
>>540384429nigga playing mirage lol
When is the fucking patch, Yoshi!?
>>540385636It works similar to counterspell hence the description: "The next instance of high spirit damage you take is significantly reduced." Which means it's from anyone within that given moment.
>>540385778What's wrong with mirage?
>>540381720Absolute worst Abrams build I have ever seen.Use Iphonz july 30 patch spirit abrams build. Yes, it is up to date.
Veil walker simply highlights a flaw in dogshit map design yet it is going to get gutted into irrelevance, maybe if it's lucky it'll get made into a t4 and """buffed""" enough to have some niche usage like eshift, doubtful though considering shadow weave already exists but you never know with these tard devs.
>>540385965Probably why I played like doodoofard, I'll give those a try.
>>540386073Wtf does it have to do with the map people buy it for the healing and invisibility
remember when barrier items existed and veil walker instantly started their regenso you could run around with 800 gun barrier+800 spirit barrier, and any veil refreshed them with a cooldown of like 10 seconds
>>540379687Move Abrams and GT to the pedophile tier and Holliday to the Giga Chad tier and we're good
>>540386073No T3 item should ever provide invisibility. It is simply too powerful of an ability for only 3 thousand souls.
>>540321065>queue solo>mixed bag on comms/coordination>queue with friend>he brings other people along who have learning disabilities>they don't listen to a single thing I say >somehow have a worse time than playing with randoms
>>540386440>holliday>abducts people to molest them>aimbot hero >not pedo tier
>>540383492I am. But the enemy always gets him.
>>540358705I AM A LVOER NOT A FIGHTER
>>540386848my experience duo'ing with a friend I managed to improve his gameplay and we largely carried games and had a 10 game winstreak
>highest source of damage is pain batteryThis surprised me. Has anyone ever built around it?
i want to have fun who do i pick
>>540387220just pick the usual like escalating esposure and early spelldmg lifesteal
>>540385351How many kids did you stab today Ahmed?>>540386073Veilwalker is already irrelevant
>>540387230Viscous.
>>540387220pain battery hits like a fucking truck, and that +20% heal is busted
why stacking items like glass canon or trophy don't have a little number on their icon
>>540387230pure play: pocket, goo, lash, holliday, paradox if you are an aimer, abrams if you can't and want to punch like a gigachad
>>540385397Anything more than 3:1 ratio is too much greens. 3 greens:1 damage, should be noted that this includes soul cost, if you have 3 t3 greens then u want at least t3 in dmg
>>540387230bebop full spirit
This lane was so aids>>540387230A different game I suppose lol!>>540387294What about bursty stuff like tank buster etc.>>540387432I'm gonna try maxing it out first next game
>>540387627eh it's bursty enough and you'd have to cut on regen items or spirit amp like escalating.
>>540387481*abrams if you want to punch in the 5 minute window where you have duration extender and nobody has debuff reduction yet*
>>540383561build? i run this but i always win lane but i have to hard farm until spellslinger because i don't have the ammo to fight properly. its nice to draw a lot of pressure though because i can't really be 1v1d
So if I just want to farm for 30 minutes and then rape everyone I queue Seven, Haze, and Victor?
is melee geist anythingthe vision is stack malice and make big punchside synergy is hit spirit snatch into life drain
>>540387220Not in a spirit context but I have tried bloodtribute+bullet resist shredder imbued to pain battery
>>540387863seven wraith viktor probably for pure farmto win with haze you have to get a small lead early then snowball it by killing noobs with unsecured souls
>>540388087Ah, cool, thanks!
is a 6 man lash ult better than a 6 man dynamo black hole?
>>540388290No I think the black hole would be better simply due to the duration
Victorbros...
>>540387627You can play inhouse?
>>540388290no because overlaid aoe spells like kudzu or hexunless you throw them in base i guess
>paige or doorcuck sits in the back spamming mass cc>only works because spirit burn is broken as shitThey really need to give a hero spirit burn immunity for 20 seconds even if multiple people have it. This fuck ass item is so overtuned for 0 reason
>>540386376>>540386452The map is so small the burst of speed actually gives a shitton of map control, the invisibility is mainly a problem because most of the map is a cluttered rape alley.
every infernus i get on my team is an unironic knuckle dragging, drooling, braindead retard.
>>540387627holy fuck spend your money
>>540351583>>540351695one game is good and the other game is bad.
I wish Shiv S3 was on a more bruiser-y character. It doesn't match the rest of his kit at all.
>sinclair>hard>literally just build 1 shot and steal ults while swapping out character is easy
>>540388954I agree. The map is small as fuck. I hope it receives a resizing on release.
>>540389268If shiv isnt a bruiser what the fuck is he?
>>540388451swallow god is/was one of the regulars. Used to rape on bebop
>>540389326i cant even hit the bolt on the rabbits vro
>>540389268A bruiser in a MOBA is a melee champion who acts as a hybrid of a tank and a damage dealer, focusing on sustained damage and durability over burst damage or pure tankiness. Bruisers excel in extended fights, offering both offense and defense, and are often strong in one-on-one situations. They typically build items that grant a mix of health and offensive stats, positioning themselves as the front or mid-line in fights to engage and trade damage with the enemy.
>>540388620But both those character build gun
>>540336186>>540336441>>540336795the tech is to buy berserker with it. you can continously have max stacks even by pulsing it every so often to reset the berserker timer.
what ifsentry ward
>teammate pauses the game>I have to poop really badly>fuck it go poop>come back and we lost>report him!!kek, thankfully closed alpha no one cares
why dont they have wards in this game
>>540389797because it's a low iq hero brawler game
yet again... literally, what can you do when your yamato holl lane (two absolute lane stompers that should never ever ever ever lose against a passive pussy like ginnis) go 0/28HAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAI can do SO MUCH in these gamesThe only humans were mina, and mo had some good ults.It was literally a 1.66 against 9I can't fucking do this hahahaha i cant get me out of this absolute driftwoodlow division I cant
>>540342981lefaa has no sense of humor whatsoever so it'd never work
>playing lash in a bebop dynamo laneoh my gooood
I was doing some testing and it looks like having resistances actually makes it harder to build painbattery. Since damage is checked by the raw damage and then your resistance is applied (so the damage number you see is the raw damage taken) so I thought I thought you'd build from the former. So I wonder if max health might be an interesting way to build around painbattery so you can get it as often as possible.>>540388451I've been jetlagged for the last two days so I missed the last two since they were late but I do enjoy the inhouse matches, they're great for low stake experimentativefun. My aim is dogshit right now though because I haven't played in forever.
>>540390294oh my GOOOOOOd haha
>>540390576i literally couldn't do anything until i got debuff removerand by then the lane was lost and everything went up shit creek from there
>>540390438Is this a bot match?
>>540389356The leaks spoke of a global movement nerf so that's probably in the cards instead since they already redid the map. It will make it feel bigger i 4jhay
>>540390815global movement nerf is 100% the incorrect direction to take. the right direction is moving away from ancient sluggish retard moba shit
the government has decided i must lose this game
>>540390438I was doing lifesteal instead of hp cause Jumpstart takes from hp so if you have a lot it becomes more expensive
Bought and sold greater expansion in hideout and it glitched but I felt like it was kinda useful to see the two AOEs overlaid
>>540387735nta but how do you deal with the slower boolet on geist. just feels really bad.
>>540387735nta but I've been starting regen > mystic regen > radiant regen and that feels pretty good
>>540391230Yeah disregard what I said. Right after I posted I did some more testing and since pain bat builds based on your losing 50% of your max health having more max health means it's harder to build and that damage is harder to heal because jump start heals a flat amount but takes a percentage.
How the fuck do I play Pocket. I see people make it look so easy but I can't do shit on him is he so high skill ceiling that he requires 100+ hours to learn properly?
>>540391306Good pic and holy shit that nade range
>>540391572cooldown reduction affects pain battery's damage recharge as well
>>540392162no not 100 hoursyou need to dedicate maybe 10 to 20 games of focused practice to figure it out. obviously the more you play the better you will get.
>>540389420>>540389550Shiv isn't a bruiser he's a burst DPS. His S3 isn't for tanking, it's for keeping him alive long enough to burst because they didn't want to give him a stun or something.
>>540392540What is S3 means?
>do sinner's sacrifice>doo da doo doo doo da doo doo doo DOOT DOOT
>>540392619Skill 3.
Just got into a match with an Infernus that didn't buy ricochet and just power farmed the whole match.
>>540389420Look at the other bruisers in the gameAbramsBillyM&KThey're innately tanky, have abilities that heal them, and importantly have big forms of CC. A bruiser should be able to not just soak up damage but peel for teammates. Shiv technically takes less immediate damage but he has nothing in his kit that provides a true heal, he has no CC, and his mobility is ass. If he's getting out DPS'd and can't escape, he just dies. If Shiv isn't doing a lot of damage then he's not doing anything at all, outside of using his ults to secure kills in a team fight.
watching this guy deathy that you people mention so much, he uses the concepts BSJ used when coaching, very clearly someone who learned dota from BSJ coaching videos
>>5403930717 didn't do shit either
Oddest fucking Oracle game I've ever had the Viscous and Bebop just brooled all lane and chainfed
>>540392339Didn't know that, my telsa cdr victor looking slightly less shit now
>>540393126nah shiv secondary fire is pretty unique movement tech on a insanely short CD, he's not gimped in that aspect and his dash is also useful as an escape. moreso he's an all in type of guy cause of how rage works, very feast or famine. the other actual tanks can dance around and play positioning footsie better
>>540393126>Krill seeing knockdown about to fall
>>540383519>Ivy Vindicta, Mirage and Mina all insanely aim intensive characters on meta builds>puts them in low tiers out of spiteBebop on the otherhand does not require aim. You can miss 100 hooks with no penalty because you only need to hit 1 to get a kill.
>>540387735I ran zeno build that match (260660)was running deathy's build before but I think zeno does more damage
>>540390975>black hole>refresher>black hole>win
>>540392540>burst>his dagger DOT>his dash does 200 dmg???
>>540393370It's a situational "free" dash or slide extender. That's it. In some rare instances you can use it to get a unique escape but in a more practical sense it's not like it's going to allow him to shmoove around a big fight in a way that makes him super hard to kill. >>540393417Your point being? Krill is the single best tank in the game, he doesn't even need ult to be useful he's just incredibly good at soaking damage and he has other forms of CC with the knockup from dig and the ability to disarm which is insanely useful. He can do a decent burst of damage early on too that lets him poke very favorably.
>>540393659Dagger DoT stacks and his dash has incredibly good scaling, in rage it echos which can absolutely fucking melt people if both connect which you combine with coldfront and mystic shot
>>540393786it was just my imagination seeing your picture. Calm your fucking tits
>>540393786you think wall jump is "situational"?
Why have so little people taken the PRÖÖÖÖÖÖHpill ?
>>540394305There's like 5 heroes who'd wanna buy that item after the parry changes
where are my drifter killstreak voicelines, so the shitters feeding me can tilt even more
Non of the tanks/bruisers click with me the same way Herc and Chaac did when I played Smite like 8 years ago. Abrams almost does but melee is more risky than I'd like.
>everything about ivy suggests she is a support >is actually a gun carry>everything about haze suggests she is a gun carry>is actually a support
>>540394305>
>cheater Haze on enemy team>dies ONCE from Dynamo ult>rages in chat all game and afks
I love lag, I love having my inputs not go to the server. I love being hit through cover and haveing a delay on my hitbox. It's so much fun!
>>540394305feels shit at medium range on most.
>>540395061>I love lag, I love having my inputs not go to the server.>It makes me wiff my charge-melee combo, baiting out the parry>I love being hit through cover and haveing a delay on my hitbox. It's so much fun!>free heals
God, what the fuck is the point in the Comeback urn if all it does is give the enemy a bigger lead? It's never worth it to grab and fight for it because the leading team will always win. Like, do something better with it or remove it.
>>540395993You come back or lose faster. Its a win win.
>>540395749t. ddoser
11 AM, YOSHITWHERE IS THE PATCH, YOSHITGIVE ME MY PATCH, YOSHIT
>>540391338just get closer>>540391536i used to do this but spending 3k for something early that isn't offensive feels so bad, and the item feels bad late game.i wanted to build without going for leech but i couldn't make it work. maybe there's a way but idk
>>540394590You don't know what the word everything means
>>540397021>just get closerbut I don't want to I like hitting shots at range, it's fun.
>>540397165i tried high velo + long range geist and its fucking BAD but its funny shooting talon etc when he jumpsthe hero for that playstyle is probably doorman or maybe mirage
What is the exact timing on a heavy melee?
>>540397165geist's kit is stronger close range when you have gun build cause of you know, her abilities
I feel completely out of it.
>>540386452Invis isn't even the reason why it gets bought, retard.
What time inhouse?
It's over, demon.
>>540392648Just say 3rd you double shivnigger.
>>540393210>Banana shitstain slam jamma
>>540393210we need a Chi Long Qua to counter the BSJ
>got put in an Initiate 6 average ranked game as Archon 1That game actually made me worse. playing as abrams and i could actually just walk up to people and heavy melee
>deathy mentioned the clan_iraq build on spectreUHHHHH, GUYS???
>>540393210But is he as good as the greatest dota player the world has ever fucking seen?
>buy focusing lens>instantly kills victor when it expiresheal that you fuckin cunt
>>540397816I keep getting carried as Doorman.
>yamato has a higher wr% over time than infernus>the inverse is true short term?
*raises paw*backstabber needs an upgrade that silences active item sounds for real stealth bastards
update when ?
>>540400859later..
>>540399813Yamato is a feast or famine hero so if she reaches late game it's extremely likely that she was doing well but needed her team to seal the deal, while if the game ends early often means she didn't do well or the team was completely uncarriable because she starts taking over mid game.She's however dogshit at taking objectives so she can't really push very well even when she's fed.Infernus is good at all stages of the game but always played by subhumans, even a fed infernus is one coin toss away from naruto running into 5 40 minutes in, getting cursed into 3 ccs and losing you the game.
when they add clans to deadlock I'll create ours, it'll be:[HAMAS] Handsome Articulated Men Acquiring Souls
>>540399639congrats, you figured out why no one plays victor beyond the lowest elo monkleys
>>540399639Is this how you do it? I gotta give that a go.
>>540401219FOR THE DJINN
>>540400257Shut the fuck you hideous son of a whore
>>540401410>warps stone directly up in the air with no sound
>>540396423See, that's the thing, it's literally only a lose for one side>win fasterat that rate, just perma curse an entire team so they can't even try to fight back
>>540399137there used to be a clan_iraq wc3 replay on youtube being cast by a weird kid with less than 100 views but I can't find anymore
M&K is so obnoxiously strong but he literally can't do anything when your team is filled with a bunch of retarded faggots. I was having a good game where my teammates actually seemed to have map awareness, made call outs, and properly split pushed when we brooled on the other side of the map.....just for the game to end because 1 by 1 haze, infernus, then geist just pushed super far up for no fucking reason and just got piled on.
New Lock>>540401935>>540401935>>540401935>>540401935
>>540401581Dynamo can already do that
someone make a different thread please
>>540400859Thursday, next one
>>540394305Just realized I should be buying this whenever I rat. I usually just buy it on already low bullet velocity heros as a skill flex
Early echo shard with veil walker is so absurdly cancer and fun
>Play battlefield>80 kills, leaderboard god>Play deadlock >can't hit shit, like one kill, total damage slightly lower or equal to teammates but always bottom soulsI don't know what I'm doing wrong
>>540407548It's a moba first and a shooter second. I watched metro pissing blood the other day seething because someone said that I'm his chat but it's true. You need to know items abilities the map and movement. Shooting is irrelevant you can win games without ever even using the gun. If you're going to be an aim only brainlet pick a character with a strong gun and build oranges.
