Precious moments Edition>Update 10.2 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/272-hotfix-10-2-patch-notes>August Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/253-august-community-update>Year 2 Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>Recommended prestige perks (WIP):https://i.imgur.com/oy6eQdx.jpeg>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinksPreviously on the Battle-barge:>>540332676
>That point in Hard Siege where it's just perpetually three missile spamming TerminatorsIf it wasn't for the ability to spam chain executes, this would be impossible.
Techmarine perks.
>>540719089DESU I would love it if it was first person style foxhole type game, but you fight against the against the AI.
>>540720757There literally not a single good reason there isn't a terminator class. You guys are going to feel incredibly retarded when they add it in sm3.
>>540722426>Terminator either does the exact same damage and has the same HP as everybody else which defeats the purpose of including a Terminator, or it blows every other class out of the water because it's better across the board so everybody just wants to play the Terminator and no one elseExplain how to fix this, genius.
>>540722143It looked so good in 1.0, they fucking butchered it.
>>540722426What >>540722680 said, and the fact I think our real problem is the lack of being able to run the same class in missions because the arbitrary restrictions don't make sense at all barring the incompetent slavniggery at saber.
What's a good salamander themed loadout? Pyrethrower sucks
>>540723127I'm willing to bet the only reason that's the case is we wouldn't hear precious voicelines from our characters and there would be little to no interactions audio-wise excluding what the player could pick from reactions/shouts menu. That and pure lazyness. Just like Salamanders champion skin was a sniper because he had a cape. As if it was beyond art department's abilities to make one for heavy.
Haven't played since release, are bolters still underpowered compared to other weapons?Any other significant balance changes?
>>540723021And yet it's still consistently in my top three. It's the better alternative to white in almost all instances because it makes your "white" look weathered and aged, and it pops the dirt on the armor to give it texture.
>>540723491>are bolters still underpowered compared to other weapons?yes sir
>>540723365The two meltas and the melta combi-bolter, Plasma
>>540723365>Pyrethrower sucksUnironic skill issue. Pyreblaster is the best weapon in the game. Pyrecannon is only letdown by bizarre hitbox issues.
>>540720757//// INCOMING TRANSMISSION ////>Imperial Administratum has granted access to records of all Astartes operating in Decidious System, CODENAME: ADEPTUS RETARDES>Dude Wall status: ACTIVE. >All Astartes present in Decidious System accounted for.>All First Founding Chapters accounted for.>All Astartes are to upload a FULL SCREENSHOT of their Dude and post their CHAPTER.Salutations, Brothers! You will be pleased to know that a new version of the Dude Wall has been deployed with a lot of changes:- All new submissions (and an IF#6 update) have been added to both versions of the Wall - there are two new successor Chapters as a result: Angels of Vengeance and Steel Confessors;- Website updates: -- All Unknown Founding chapters, Homebrew Dudes as well as Chaos Khorner collages have been updated to new format making Dudes more visible and prominent;-- Missing heraldry pads from certain chapters have been added.The only two chapters where the collage has to be updated are loyalists: The Risen and World Eaters. Once this is done I'll focus on making and updating custom frames for individual chapters.Thank you for all submissions, Brothers. Should you have a Dude to post, be sure to do so. Remember - the level bling is irrelevant.In the meantime, I hope you'll enjoy the latest edition of the Dude Wall.Signing off,Wall Anon=IMPORTANT=>**Ultra high quality version of the Dude Wall is available on the website**>**For more comprehensive info on submissions please refer to: https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/ **Glory to the Imperium!//// END TRANSMISSION ////
>>540722680Thats such a non issue weapons already dont match up with the portrayal in the lore. Give them extra armor and health and make their weapons work like any other weapons in the game. They could even make it a power of some kind where they drop in and you take over. You faggots are overthinking it.
>>540724824>Give them extra armor and health and make their weapons work like any other weapons in the game.So just flat out tankier with no loss by any other metric. Still a massive power boost over every other class where HP sustain is far more important than DPS.
What's consensus on relic chainsword?
>>540725137>first double sided chainsaw>still uses the animation made for single sided ones where the marine pushes down on it with his off handClassic Saber quality, that's the consensus.
>>540724606Submitting my dude, Mr. Dude Wall.Brother Carniphorus of the Mortifactors.
>>540725084Yes? An extra armor pip is not a big deal considering how hard enemies hit. By that logic every class that isn't sniper or vanguard have a massive power boost over them because of one pip.
>>540725619Very nice. Would be even better if those red clothes holding the bones were black, white or green but Saber gotta Saber.
>Relic is Gold>Heroic is Red>half the Heroic weapons have "Relic" in the nameANYWAYI'm fuckin speed running OPs with the Heroic "Relic Worn" Heavy Plasma Incinerator ™ niggas scraping by with a 100-200 kills while I'm wrecking 400-500
>>540725624>Yes? An extra armor pip is not a big deal considering how hard enemies hit.An extra armor pip, if that was turned into a perk, would quite literally be up there with +30% HP for Heavy i.e. an instant must-have that would never be traded out for anything. More armor means more chances to regenerate from perks like Restoration, or Focused Restoration, or Flame of Ascension. Consider that armor pips reduce any and all melee attacks from any source into one pip of damage, whether it's a Warrior, a Carnifex, or a Lictor, an extra armor pip can be the difference between 0% HP damage and losing 80% of your life.
>>540725848I was considering making him 3rd company, but the green shoulders on the Mortifactors is just too iconic.
Vanguard is ass and is carried by his heal.
>>540730840bossing with vanguard is hell
>>540731127Doing anything that's beyond killing a Majoris is hell with him.
>>540725619Received.
>>540725942>Rapid cooling perk>Decapitation bridge section
so i prestige 4 assault, heavy and bulwark, i hate the rest sniper is dog shit boring tactical is too generic i think vanguard is next
>>540724606Newfag dood in training.Any tips for getting gud with sniper in horde mode?Also I really enjoy the lore of the Salamanders and Raven Guard, I also like reading stuff about the horus heresy, it's actually fun to read.
>>540732728If you want to make your doods as accurate as possible, it's worth searching->40K <insert chapter> heraldryin Google.All the first founding legions have readily available information covering everything. So for example with your guy, the Raven Guard don't have the chapter iconography on the right shoulder. I don't know what the devs were smoking with that one. They also have a more silver/metallic grey chest aquila, instead of the solid black.
>>540732728>Any tips for getting gud with sniper in horde mode?Don't. Sniper is focused on removing primary ranged threats, but when everything is a primary threat and the mode revolves around shitting out as much damage as possible in as small a timeframe as possible, his kit falls apart. Your best bet is the bolt carbine and running around like a gimped vanguard.
>>540732728Received, Brother.
>>540731615>teammates don't have anything TO shoot until the bridge>flamer and melta spammers just trotting behind my doing finishers on majoris
>>540733535>I don't know what the devs were smoking with that oneIts so you can be in the Deathwatch
>>540724606iron hands tactical reporting in
>>540733535Deathwatch left shoulder is replaced, leading to them putting it on the right shoulder, regardless of chapter
rolling
>>540735728FOR THE EMPEROR
>>540735000But that shoulder is from the Raven Guard chapter pack, not the special snowflake meme pack.
>>540737373>This somehow changes that the Deathwatch wear chapter insignia on the right shoulder
>>540735439Received.
It's the 41st millennia. All gene seed, I said ALL should be consolidated into one soup. There should be a few mega Astartes/Primaris training centers on key planets and graduating Astartes should pick or get assigned their chapter like a duty station.No more of this roaming around like gangs cuz you all have shark teeth or wolf fangs or bloody gay rage
>>540738708Only if you want that soup to be BLAND.
>>540738708t. Emperor
>>540738771Ok so then, maybe once every 100 years they should combine their soups. A little mixing ain't never hurt no one?
>>540738708Big E pls heal urself up already
>>540735000>>540735493Right, but the default puts it on both sides. This isn't accurate. It's like the Ultramarine default having the chapter icon on both sides, it doesn't work for the default.
>>540738708But too many cooks will spoil the broth!
>>540738917>Take the one thing that makes the chapters unique and interesting>And just remove it by adding it to evertoneBLANDLAND
>>540738708Chimeric gene seed has been tried in the lore and is highly unstable. If the recipient survives at all, which isn't common, the result is a psychotic madman.
>>540740870Yes but a psychotic-madman Space Marine who can teleport through walls, shriek telepathically and cling to the ceiling like spiderman.
>>540738708t. Roboute Girlyman
>>540738708>No more of this roaming around like gangs cuz you all have shark teeth or wolf fangs or bloody gay ragebased
>>540710319Assuming Saber would be even allowed to do such a thing. IP itself may belong to GW, but rights to use those assets might be with Relic. Relic was cucked out of SM2 and DoWIV, but they were allowed to remaster SM1 and DoW1
>>540723021true>>540723532also trueBut of all things they fucked up I miss having real black variants instead of different shades of gray most.
>>540738708>instead of cloistering gay raging vampires, furries and genocidally paranoid maniacs in their own chapters we should mix them all upThis is one of those "it looked good on paper" ideas, isn't it
>>540738708All space marines should've been put to death before the Horus Heresy.
>>540748190no it's one of those "oh fuck it's actually cool and makes peoople buy our products, we HAVE TO kill it at once" ideas
>>540748894Yeah, the little toys aren't selling at all, huh?lmaomaybe they know better than you do
>>540748894Deathwatch is cool precisely because all the other chapters exist, they would be only Raptors tier cool without that.
>one player has 100% more health, but you fail when he diesis it possible to tell which player is the chosen one, or do i have to babysit and force heal both retards just in case?
>>540749456Just play solo with bots, they don't seem to relay damage to you but you still take it as normal, so you just have 300% HP.
>>540741746No. The only "successful" chimera is Alpha Primus, and that required a complete re-engineering of his genome at the most basic level, beyond what even Custodes go through. Even then, he's in excruciating pain at all times and is psychologically broken to the point that he doesn't even consider himself a person and while he is a psyker, his abilities send that pain into overdrive so he doesn't use them much.Every other attempt has resulted in a mindless berserker that even Khorne would call excessive, or they simply died right there on the surgical table.
592 hours in, just realized that in ballistic engine you can see servitors hauling the payload even before entering the loading screen room. Please don't mind the threat level, I'm grinding the easy daily strats
>>540753634I want to see antlers on them at Christmas.
>>540753634You didn't notice the squadmembers commenting on it?
I'm getting tired of getting one shot by the helbrute charged plasma shot when coming out of an execution animation.
>>540753976>getting killed by [Literally Any Orange] while in the middle of some animation, making it completely unavoidablethat's the entire fucking game
>>540753634And if you look hard enough on Decapitation, you'll notice a hive tyrant before the bridge blows up.
>>540753634Isn't there remains of a Titan on one of the Demerium missions?
>>540726140It’s like how the best Company for the Imperial Fists is the 5th Company.
>>540754574pls no bully. why the fuck would i look in that direction
>>540754665Right at the start of Reliquary.
>>540753634One thing that blends really well into the background is the imperator titan wreckage out in the valley on reliquary. When not actively looking for it, it fits so well into the landscape that it's easy to just forget it's there.
>>540754914>He doesn't play a 7th company veteran sergeant
>people who are level 40 in pvpliterally how
I really miss how the eyes used to glow. Now there's barely anything since they made them colorable.
>level 15 assault and 25 tactical how bad could it go?>mfwI love back to back bosses with double zoantrope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SErsXR-VAB0>Blood Ravens>Mechanicus>Orks>NecronsIt's looking good.
>>540761054>black aquilas on the marinesgayfucking dropped
>>540761406Anon this has been a thing for years. This is their official heraldry.
>>540761487I won't repeat myself.
>>540761487whoever made the change clearly wasn't aware of how much the gold helps more adorned marines have a much cooler color scheme, and likely had black and red mental illness
>>540761487I really wish less chapters would resort to coloring the entire damn knee to designate company. The Blood Ravens were so close to perfection, they have the stripe (best way to designate company) but then they ruin it with the black background. The only company that should have a black background is third because red on red.
>>540733535Most pre-made chapter setups are wrong, actually. Wrong colors, wrong or missing markings, you name it. You need to spend quite a bit of requisition to unlock everything that's needed to make your space marine look like he's supposed to.
>>540738708>get assigned their chapterAnd then some won't like the chapter they got assigned to, organize into a unified front and start the second Horus Heresy. Perfect plan, Alpharius.
>>540735728>Blood Ravens and Black Templars>No Iron HandsWhat is it always IH that gets shafted
>>540765262Don't lose your head Brother.
>Only class left to prestige is Vanguard>Don't want to listen to Decimus' faggotry every mission
>>540767385Sounds like bitch in here
>>540767385Decimus is the personification of how I feel playing this game sometimes. I like his no-nonsense approach to utter faggotry.
>>540767385if magazine == out{magazine = in}
did the weeklies update yet?
>>540768356ño
Space Marine 3 but the multiplayer is more like Eternal Crusade with players being able to play more than just 2 flavors of space marines.
>>540767385>vanguard was the first one I did because only his prestige 4 cosmetic looks goodlol
I still remember when people were asking for heretic astartes PvE missions and saber was like>lol, you want chaos marines fighting alongside astartes? lol that's so not happening. no you silly faggots, we're not letting you use chaos skins in PvE ;)as if they were trying very hard to ignore the idea of adding the imperium as an enemy type, and were just trying to brush it off as the playerbase being retarded
im prestiging on ruthless and these guys are brutal
>>540770816Yeah they break a lot of the rules of a majoris enemy
>>540771015Saber wants to make some sort of DMC-lite but then doesn't even follow the rules of DMC combat, where enemies are specifically designed to never ever overlap attacks and will always sequentially chain their shit so you always have an out even after eating dirt.
>>540770816>>540771015i couldnt even get an attack off while it does its combo, if i had the stagger immunity perk it would have been okay
>>540770816>>540772018>Using blockI see your problem. Never had a problem with them with fencing.
>>540770267Saber are foolish if I were a dev I would design a campaign where in the first room you fight like 20-30 Imperial Guardsmen as an appetizer and then Archeran just orbital drops Tight ass and his Five Good Men on you and your campaign ends in an unwinnable boss fight. (Acheran didn't know about you he just wanted Tight ass to go pick up his son from a cram school)
>one of my favorite things to do is drink alcoholic beverages, run pic related, quick join random lobbies and tear shit up while emoting FOR THE EMPEROR and handshakes sometimes>longtime lurker of /v/ so I figure I'll come check out the general>anons talking about proper class builds, modifiers, map specific strategies, challenges etc>not many talking about having funIm not a jobber by any means but tbf the class is easy to play, like a true Btemplar im gonna continue to keep my brain off and just keep killing shit to support my teammates. Meta this minmax that, when's the last time you had fun?
>>540772568unfortunately fencing would make combat last twice as long which means more likely to receive damage
>its a "BT bulwark pings me while i'm 1v1ing the tyrant before immediately dying to a bullcharge episode"i'm genuinely not sure what either of the two were doing in the fight except fishing for melta bombs that just served to stagger my ass like they did with frags 5 or 6 different times throughout the missionSeriously getting fucking sick of faggots dropping frags at my feet
>>540761054>colored my blood raven's shield red because it looked good>new dawn of war confirms they color them bonegod fucking dammit, finewas already using the same model of shield as them, funny enougham I crazy or did these retards give them white veteran helms instead of bone helms
I like having two different melee stances to switch between because It's kino flicking my sword and energising it before battle like im powering up
>>540774805>drink alcoholSorry you don't live somewhere where weed (a superior substance to alcohol in every way) is legal, Anon.Godspeed.
>>540761406kawaiii
>>540776540>weeblord too young to remember the army painter limitations
Man, I fuckin' hate western devs obsessions with bitching at you in their games over either nothing or over shit that's unavoidable.Like how that modifier that makes someone shit heals every 90 seconds makes your teammates characters bitch at you because it doubles as an aoe attack. Like the game is telling me not to fuckin heal my teammates. Now that we got pyreblasters, I'm getting shit for helping my teammates soften up and make the majoris or extremis enemies they're meleeing more vulnerable to melee.>"HAS YOUR WEAPON MALFUNCTIONED?"Eat shit.Reminds me of those walking sections in games where you're getting escorted by an npc and there's no fucking time limit. They'll have a really nice backdrop or something that someone irl worked hard making that you wanna stop and appreciate, and the fucking npc will relentlessly bitch at you with looping "Hurry up!" lines. Fucking so annoying.
>>540777793https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDNHtM31OI
>dawn of war 4please don't be trash please don't be trash please don't be trash
>>540775163Fencing power axe gets you a parry, backstep, gunstrike, grapple into execute combo on majoris that leads to a cascading cleanup since your executes aoe everything down.
>>540778531Kek.See, it's literally ok when japan does it.
>>540777793>russia>western dev
>>540761054Graphics looks ass and similar to DoW3Blood Ravens aquila looks shit, even Saber's was better and they simply had the wrong head orientationI have zero expectations for these Iron Harvest devs
>>540777793>he actually plays with the fucking dialogue onlollmao even
Can someone post a 7 hour long video essay on how Tactical having more than 2 melee choices would break the game?
>>540782147I wonder what melees sniper and tactical will get, assuming they ever get them.I kind of wonder why heavy doesn't have a melee at this point.His entire skill tree is so fucking stupid.
>>540779251Every non jap dev is a western dev.
>>540782019>for the emperor>litany of hate>blood shower>two chainswords>carry a big gun>every pvp chaos voice line>pvp announcer letting you know when some retard switched the spawnsImagine being retarded enough to play with voices turned off.Couldn't be me. Lmao
>>540783030>he needs the dialogue for his faggy immersionlol kill yourself, niggerlmao
>>540783621>doesn't understand the concept of funDon't you have shoes to make, chinaman?
>>540785573lol turning the volume down on my music playlist and voice chat with the boys to hear the dumb fucking dialogue precisely makes the game unfun, you friendless nigger lmao
>>540786523>has to turn all that down so his frail mind doesn't collapse from sensory overloadDamn.Chinese AND autistic.
>>540724606Hey Anon, I'm keeping the Stonehewn name but have changed the color scheme. Turns out I enjoy brightly colored marines after playing as a Blood Angel assault for a while. Hoping this good, I'll take any criticism from other anons too.
>absolute is just a revolving door of people going down and giving up, and then a new guy coming in right afterbleak
>>540790431You need to be the rock upon which the enemy breaks, the anchor that stabilizes the shitters no matter how much they sabotage youUnless you're doing hard stratagems in which case you just need several doses of luck
>>540767385Decimus is the best because he’s completely unhinged, and constantly on the verge of screaming if he has to go a minute without killing something.
>>540791528I'd be willing to bet he calms way the fuck down when he's not on mission but also not doing boring busywork like "mission planning" or "preventative maintenance" or "team bonding" and is instead playing poker with chapter serfs
Finally prestiged all classes once to get that studded pauldron. Bulwark was my least favorite, eat shit shield shitters.
i like vanguard now. the accuracy occulus is insane and i like markman carbine too. he would be pretty garbage without the grapple aoe dmg reset execute perks.
>>540787761>I want to hear same fucking retarded dialogue every mission in perpetuity lol yeah bud the only fucking assburger nigger brain here is you
Going from bulwark to assault is pain. Bulwark is tanky as fuck while also doing a million more damage than assault with two perks massively boosting his damage. Assault is such a cucked class.
I thought they reduced the Chaos Spawn amounts? Why am I still fighting 10 at once?
>>540797416you have to use block on him. hes the only class whos melee weapon actually matters so you need the big block damage, it works with ground pound too, add o nthe recharge on kill perk and you'll do good
is there anything that dumbs the game down as much as a power fist?
>>540797909heavy's plasma
>>540797909I'm only switching it in for bosses and strats nowadaysits fun to use but it makes it almost impossible to lose sometimes
>>540797909Flamethrower tactPlasma heavy
The reason we don't see any genestealer cultists in this game is because by this point in the invasion, every one of them has either fled to other systems or gotten eaten.
>>540801942you played that well anon! same as your bulwark for coming in to back you up
>>540721379>excited to minmax techmarine>could be another five months until he comes out>still acting like he's going to be out tomorrow and wondering how to set him up
>>540796857>repeating media = autism>what is rewatching movies>what is relistening to musicToddlers understand this concept better than you.
>>540801942>that AoE rocket burstHow the fuck do you actually dodge that shit if you're mid animation?
>both battle brothers die during the tyrant fight>finish him off with a single charged cloak stab>Scipius: "Had to get my hands dirty for that one."heh
>>540804332if you time it perfectly you can usually dodge most of it with your dodge i frames
>>540804332You rollslop and pray. Then you turn around and contest what's left of your contested hp asap.They really need to code ranged enemies to fuck off and spam melee combos if you get within melee range.Melee enemies are so much safer and more interactive, I'd rather fight any melee extremis over an enraged ranged majoris.
Does the powerstance attack on axe make up for its shit damage?
>>540805118>time it perfectly>mid animationYou see my pointThe worst is that its an expanding ring of Fuck You so rolling away just rolls you into even more hitboxes. It's designed like a space clearing ability for a strategy game except you're one fucking dude trying to fight it.
>know I should buy one of the reds this reset>am probably going to buy a shoulder and a chest piecelmao, someone better post a codeI hope they add sniper primary reds soon, he needs something dumb to boost his power level up. Needs a new melee now too, because the red dagger did not fucking help him.
>>540790701I used to think I'm pretty decent at the game, but the -66% health modifier made me realize how many mistakes I actually make during normal gameplay and how I'm actually just another shitter in the pile.
>>540805806Yeah kinda.It's stylish. And you can choose whether you want to power backstep to hurt/stagger everything in front of you before doing an extra safe gunstrike, or you can skip the backstep and just gunstrike for the extra 20% gunstrike damage.Best melee weapon for parrying hands down. And especially the best for gunstrikes.Also they buffed whirl slash so it's actually decent at dealing with hordes now.
>>540807106You're a space marine. You should be able to tank things here and there.The healing systems outside of medkits are also obviously designed around you tanking through shit. With the amount of shit the game throws at you at this point with crazy extremis and terminus spawns at higher difficulties, and crazy high spawn rates in siege in general, the concept of realistically avoiding the relentless chains of attacks thrown at you at that point becomes ridiculous.They've been pushing the limits of what the combat system was designed to be able to deal with since they added lethal. Between the gayoss spawn and absolute+ stratagems with fucked up modifiers, 10.0 stretched those limits to the Nth degree.
>>540806489I would, but I'm still reeling from a stomach virus, brother.It's like the flu x10.Maybe tomorrow or the next day. We got a week.
the fall of atreus hard stratagem with unmatched zeal is pretty fun
>>540809121Nah, the limit is only reached with hard modifier. Regular absolute is a cake walk
>first hard strat run, some dude brings sniper for some reason>everyone dies across a courtyard from me, because apparently they haven't learned you can't just dive on the enemies and win at this difficulty>second hard strat>they're already both downed once and nearly dead in the very first elevatorthis is so fucking stupid
>>540811507>modifier: all your block/parry timings are now wrong, get fuckedthe entire saber office should be conscripted to fight in ukraine
>>540811507>because apparently they haven't learned you can't just dive on the enemies and win at this difficultyI don't get it. I would've figured that at 4 weeks into this experiment every fag would've already tried out hard strats to learn just how above their weight class it is for them yet every week i seem to run into someone who's just trying it for the first time and doesn't run above ruthless.
>hard stratagem, there's a vanguard>notice I'm not healing on extremis kills>he's level 5>back to battle barge
>>540735728Rolling
>>540812036it's just not possible to play heavy for this one, the default balanced timing is just so fucked by this it's insane
is the heroic chainsword good?
>>540812036>>540813135The modifier reduces your perfect block and parry window by 50%.
>>540804025>what is repetitive scripted dialogue in a video game
>fucks with fundamental component of the game that requires you to get used to it and do it on instinct>dumps so many extremis on top of you that there is no fucking way you're getting through with anything but the cheesiest builds>expects the entire community to complete this just using random matchmaking with no level barriersaber is genuinely fucking retarded
>>540814231>not cool enough to spam For The Emperor>not smart enough to take advantage of voice cues instead of relying on skyrim markers>literally playing handicapped and like a "handicapped"
>>540801942>>540802169Yeah you did alright but that bulwark saved your assHave you thanked your local bulwark lately?
>>540797909Heroic Plasma literally breaks the game's difficulty over its backt. above average but not expert shitter that got to Wave 15 solo in Hard Siege thanks to it.>Activate Iron Halo>Aim at floor>Spam fire>Spam execute>Win
>>540816293>still needs to be told where to go in opsI know this fucking general is full of shitters but jesus christ
>Emote "FOR THE EMPEROR">party night lord (cringe lord) declines>offer handshake on elevator>crimson fist accepts, cringe lord says "declined"Cringe lords should be a legitimate filter option
>>540816610the normal plasma does the exact same thing...
>>540817295Doesn't fire fast enough to stagger that amount of enemies, normal or charged. Tried it countless times, and I'd eat shit via heavy stagger either because a big enemy slipped through the cracks of slow common shots, or hit me mid-charge.HeroHPI fires so fast it just perma-staggers everything short of Extremis around you.
>>540816892you know everyone can tell you don't play the game?
>>540817536>he sits there waiting to be told that the fucking train isn't charging instead of immediately moving to the side that doesn't have the glowing ground cables anymorelmao
>>540818298inferno generator sequence would like a word with you
>>540818378maybe if you weren't all huddled around the ammo box you could keep someone below to keep eyes on 1 and 4
>>540818705The enemies spawn 10+ seconds after the announcement. Just take the L and stop posting.
>>540818829>10+ secondslol maybe on fucking average
Post codes if you can't beat it, Vanguard is absolutely necessary for this mission.Neurothrope spawn is an instawipe, hope for Helbrutes and Carnifex.Last area is hell with Terminator and Sorcerer spam.
>>540818965retard
>join hard weekly>p3 level 25 vanguard not running extremis heal>other person is an unprestiged level 8 assault>leave
This weekly strat is so much fun holy shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ5Sg6vsug
>>540819506Any Vanguard without the Extremis heal should be an instakick
>>540819382concession accepted, gigashitter
>>540819635you are so fucking stupid its unreal
>>540819328arguably with vanguard heal this would be easier than regular missions, especially with a sniper
>>540820453Sniper is a throw pick for Chaos missions and you're not hardcore nor cool for being a contrarian for rejecting Vanguard heals.
>>540820536at what point was there any implication of rejecting heals also lol maybe if u cant aim
>>540819328I did it. It fucking sucked but I did it. Nothing like just firing heavy plas at your feet so you never have to interact with buggy fucking nerfed parry timings. Crutched the whole way on heals and giant plasma balls making like 6 lesser sorcerers at once disappear.
>>540724606https://files.catbox.moe/n8fckb.pngIt's time I submitted this Dark Angels Apothecary Biologis to the wall.
>>540820286whats unreal is you clearly being one of the 80% and posting like you know fuck all
>>540774805I too play for fun.Custom chapter. Don't play higher PvE difficulty yet, ruins the feel (have to level up first anyway). Playing Assault or Bulwark (didn't try others yet)Always search for and point teammates to relics/medkits.Always keep an eye out for them to bail them out if they get in trouble.Always salute/handshake and give respect at mission endComfy
>>540820916>eyeball height with sternumI can get the height but I always forget the width
>>540820898In my game the Plasma actical switched to the carbine and died less, one of the rare instances where charging up a gun against hordes of Extremis means instadeath.Also fuck Terminator AoEs, not sure if they added this in the update.I literally died instantly when I grapplehooked into one.
>>540820916Received.
Dark Angels? GayBlood Angels? GayUltramarines? GayRaven Guard? GayImperial Fists? Gay
>>540821218shut up Bryce.
Chaos spawns are borderline ruining the game for meSuch an obnoxious enemy, worse than biovores ever were
>>540822024>enemy type that highlights how very little the blue and orange indicators actually mean>is basically just a mini-lictor that spawns in groups larger than 3>mobs the shit out of you with confusing, spammed out attacks that take you from 100 to 0 instantlyit's like they wanted to point out what was wrong with their own game
i got hard carried in vox liberatis by spawning in the lift sectionholy fuck the game needs to spawn players in safer areasi got spawned in between 2 terminators and got gunned down in seconds
>>540788309Received.
>>540820990its obvious you spend at least 99% more time shitposting than playing
>>540821218I feel personally attacked by this post.
>>540778604I'm sorry Anon...
>>540822024I wonder if people will stop complaining about spawns in two months from now once they learn their patterns by heart. You know, like it already happened with whip nidders, biovores and flying tzangors.
>>540724606Requesting the addition of my Dude to the Wall of Dudes. White Templars.
>>540822547yeah I get done with my weeklies and then play other games while making fun of retards here
Holy moly it's one of the harder weeklies and I keep getting p0s joining.
>>540823678Almost every player I've seen so far has been using balancedHeavy players sure, but seeing a xenophase blade or double-edged chainsword fills me with despair.
>>540735728Rollin for the Khan
>>540823258Received.
>>540823234whip nidders had their whip made more apparentbiovores and flying tzaangors were nerfed by slightly slowing their attacks and making a bit less aggressiveso by all means, let's have a similar result with chaos spawn
biovores are fucking annoying what even is the weakpoint
you melee them. spores don't hit you while you play simon says with the vore.
>>540824771The head of courseBut in turret mode everything except the turret is blocked so no weakspot, just eternal damage sponging if you don't have certain weapons
>>540824771krak.
XTPCAjoin up bros, lets do the strategem
>>540824863every time i shoot the head i just get shield icon
4 Biovores into 2 Biovores + 2 Ravs into 4 more biovores.
>>540825114they're in turret mode, you have to wait until they're movingAs for why they're immune in turret mode who fucking knows
>>540825281but when theyre movign theyre sprinting around at a million miles an hour away from me
>>540825843yep
The only way I see Assault ever becoming as fun as Bulwark is if Assault's jump dash becomes an innate part of his kit not tied to a cooldown, like it replaces his dodge or something. Shield Rush truly elevated Bulwark into "peak fun." Just that smug satisfaction as a Terminator shoots at you with his minigun, and it does precisely fucking nothing to you while you double charge your rush and smack him in the face.
>>540826089aftershock is more fun than power rake
>>540825131Try 5 biovores and 6 ranged terminators in the same runBiovores are honestly so tanky that unless you have someone dedicated to taking them out, you just skip them because by the time you've dealt with the second a new extremis wave spawns
>>540824892Still 1/3 if anyone's around
>>5408248922/3
6ZMKF>>540826736
>>540826736>>540826867Join you triple niggers.
>>540826987i'm waging right now bitch
>>540827112Quit your job
Finally make it past the 2nd alter and there's 10 chaos spawns, sorc, 4 rubicks, 3 terms and a hellbrute waiting.
>>540826867expired
You all understand that you get expired because you got each others blocked, don't you
>>540827598Hosted last thread, don't have anyone blocked, not even retarded punshitters.Still got "expired" responses from anons.
Jesus Christ the pool for the hard stratagem right now is like the gym on January 1st, every fucking ultra dogshit combo imaginable, sea of assaults, some guy level 4, all aligned aim no secure stockpile, extra ammo heavies, sonyggers and xboners everywhere
>>540827831>is like the gym on January 1stkek
>>540824892GGs!
>>540829931Got a little semi with my 39K ranged damage. Luv me Heroic Plasma, simple as.
If I use a heroic while my weapon is still not fully done, will I get experience for it still?
>>540829931I just realized that we got zero terminus spawnsDidn't know that was possible on this mapStill, we slapped pretty hard
>>540830104Yeah, if anything it's the easiest way to level the weapon. You get Relic+ tier stats and then get the perks after the fact.
>>540830197Awesome. Thanks anon
>>540830089>>540829931Oh sorry, shy of 38K. The fucking Extremis spawns on this level were nuts. I think the jingle went off every 2 minutes.>Screenshot from Steam Recording for some reason giving my game what appears to be comically dark contrast
Which class is the most viable with minimal prestige levels (one or none)
why did they make the pyrecannon so shit compared to the pyreblaster
>>540830620It really is necessary to skip biovore kills if at all possible. They take too long to deal with and just lead to getting slowly swamped as new extremis groups spawn before the first one is finished.
>>540830781HeavyThe class literally does not need perks to function at Lethal or below. It's only in Absolute where the perks start making a difference depending on your skill level. All of Heavy's power comes from his weapons and Iron Halo. His best perks just make him more tanky and give him more utility like ammo recovery.
>>540735728rolling
why are Necrons so cool bros?
>>540819328hows block on this? thinking instead of parrying once and stunning the enemy, you can block their multi attacks and kill them instantly
>>540830809yes.
>>540830781HeavyTactical Vanguard/BulwarkSniperAssault
>vanguard joins hard strategem>level 1>dies
>>540831401If you're good on the timings it's great. Block all 4 hits from a whip warrior and it'll kill itself, and then you can use the block charges to ruin another enemy. I also find block much easier personally against chaos spawn.
>>540831298I really like how they look, but storywise they really have no role. Other armies already fulfill the "ancient mysterious civ" role or the "deadly ravenous galactic menace" role. If I wanted Tomb Kings then I would just go for Tomb Kings.
>>540831724don't forget>leaves
I like the concept of long marines and kinda wish this is how they looked. I think it more greatly exaggerates the inhuman difference between Astartes and regular soldiers.
>bulwark has more ranged damage than heavy
>>540832736>burn damage doesn't count on the results screen
>>540832536they look more like women like this with the long legs, maybe if their legs and arms were proportional
>>540820536>sniper is a throw pick for chaosthis was at level 1 (76) on lethal
>>540836101>LethalBaby difficulty. It's what old Ruthless used to be like.
>>540836521old ruthless was harder
alright im locking in, lets get the Hard Strategem done brothers.ZNARN
>>540836521you'd bitch and moan if i joined absolute with a level 1 sniper
>>540836993Probably, yeah. Especially on Chaos. You could be doing so much more on any other class.
>>540735728Rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling WHAT
>>540775473The dreads still have their not-aquila colored gold. It's clear that they have their hands tied with regards to the official coloring but still want to get in as much gold as they can. I'm sure it'll be a very easy switch in the army painter.
>>540837209the only other classes that would probably have equal or greater impact at level 1 are heavy and tactical. p sure sniper still 3 taps rubrics to execute range with a maxed out bolt sniper at level 1 tho
FOR THE EMPEROR!
>>540836787please brothers, i require your aid, i do not want to acquisition random chapters for their assistance.
>>540837702The main problem is Sniper just kills, he doesn't do more "generalist" stuff on top of the killing.While Heavy is blowing his load spaffing plasma ropes everywhere, his Iron Halo is dealing AOE DOT all around him, so while he hyperfocuses a single priority target, he's horde clearing at the same time. It's something no other character can doBulwark melts enemies in close range, is super tanky, is only second to Vanguard for team health sustain, and is very good now at closing space thanks to Shield Rush. Puts him in very advantageous positions against enemies others struggle with like Terminators.Tactical can output near-similar DPS, but also excels at Extremis+ melting and smart placement of the 120%+ Auspex bubble, often on top of himself while he's surrounded, leads to the fastest deletion of enemies in the game. He also feeds the team infinite equipment.It's stuff like this where you kinda realize Sniper is too specialized in one aspect of the game, he just shoots heads and spams equipment.
>>540838397you sound fat.
>>540836787Sorry anon, I helped another duo earlier and I'm busy right now. I'd help otherwise.>>540838496I'm into Warhammer, of course I'm fat. You know the phenotype for this franchise.
>>540838397you dont really need more than just kills thoughjust pop heads and hand off bulk executions to your teammates who are facing the blob head onand if someone goes down you can just run in and revive them without a care and go back to popping heads
I really need to stop attacking flame rubrics because for some god forsaken reason, I can't dodge out of my attack chains.
>>540838397Killing majoris enemies doubles as minoris clearing for Tyranids so Sniper is doubly effective in Tyranid missions. Tougher for chaos because tzaangors are flying around, spawn heads are too tiny, etc.Still, removing majoris threats like Rubrics are still valuable. The sniper's boss damage contributions beyond neurothropes is minimal which is his real shortcoming but since those spawn with a wave now, he can remove distractions.
>>540838707This. Sniper can clutch out a fucked game like nobody else because of invis and contested health regain especially if you cloak cancel. The only reason he's mid on Chaos is because of the spawns, he has 0 weapons that are good for them besides maybe the Bolt Carbine SMG at which point, why play Sniper anyway.
>>540840903Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the long road to recovery anon, I wish you the best, know we love you brother.
>>540842317Everybody is more efficient in tyranids, it's basically 2 levels of difficulty down, compared to chaos
get in hard stratagemlvl 1 sniperleave
>>540840903>dodge>be entirely outside of the aoe indicator>still get hitit's all so tiresome
>>540840903>>540844094The trick is to Dark Souls bullshit it and roll into them right as they fire, abusing the i-frames.
>>540761054>can't even pretend to be a firstborn armyThere are no blood ravens in dawn of war 4.
Is this mission like "i got killed by 3 rocket terminators and i don't know where are they"?
>>540846195Nothing to steal in that game i guess
Word is the game is going down for maintenance for 90 minutes tomorrow. Potential 10.3 later this week?
>>540846678More hotfixes?
>Extremis bonanza for weekly hardLooks like it's time to Vanguard.Or Bulwark and Heavy after not being able to do the Obelisk weekly with them last time.
The steam autumn sale drops soon, what are /sm2g/bros gonna get?I'm kinda liking soulslikes games atm so hoping for Wuchang Fallen Feathers/Hell is Us/AI Limit and maybe Expedition 33
>>540724606Dude Wall anon, fix this
>>540848384I presume some slapdash fixes for existing problems, and MAYBE gutting some shit modifiers like damage on dodge which just requires changing a "1" to a "0" in the codebase.
>be assault>hold Q>nothing happens>let go and hold Q again>nothing happens>1-2 seconds pass>the pc jetpack dodges twiceI haven't played assault since 8.0, anyone else experienced this?
>>540849753So, basically if the yellow crosshair isn't visible on the ground, the game refuses to let you jump. It'll often delete the crosshair near implied ledges or otherwise. If you find yourself in areas like e.g. the walkway after the chapel on Decap, it's best to hard look at the ground under you.
Tried this perk on "Perfect block/parry deals damage" stratagem and it's hella fun, feels like it oneshots majoris. Now i don't wanna go back to health damage reduction..
>>540850259well, last time it happened was in the open after leaving the guardsmen camp in inferno, no ledges or invisible walls, just some uneven terrain. But what you're saying makes sense, i'll be watching the crosshair next time i play the sault.
>>540850490Anon, Intimidating Aura has been Bulwark's best perk investment since release.
>>540850792Literally every "guide" is recommending top perk in that tree... I'm just trying different things while doing prestige.
>>540850970>Literally every "guide" is recommending top perk in that treeYou are being baited by some shit guides if they recommend Conviction over Intimidating Aura.Don't get me wrong, Conviction is a good perk. It's not even close to IA. It's some shit like 180 damage in a 5-meter radius. A Lictor has somewhere around 250 HP.
>>540850970Most guides probably never played past Ruthless since that was the hardest difficulty on release.Intimidating Aura used to be the only way the Bulwark dealt damage before the buffs to power fist, power sword, shield bash/charge, and overcharge prestige perk.
>>540850970You can still find guides saying bringing a melta is mandatory on ruthless.
>>540851340My frustration bubbles even at that thought
>>540851141>kill a majoris>the one next to it becomes enraged>parry its next attack and it's immediately put in incapBack before this thing had a cooldown, a three hit ravener combo would have it just fucking kill itself.
>>540851732>before this thing had a cooldownI guess it was the only reason to have block weapon, i heard it was shit before some patch...
>>540724606I haven't played since early after the release, but I'd like to update my jousting Raptor. He's no. 2 on the Dude Wall. Awesome work Wall Anon! I'm glad to see this became a serious project.Btw, what's up with this Raptors chapter pack I've been seeing? They don't have any successors to speak of, so I guess lots of tacticool wargear?
Ok, then what's the good one in last row? I was always picking kill on perfect block every 90 sec, but with intimidating aura it doesn't feel like big upside, should i just go for cannot be knocked back without armor? Is it like stun immunity? Can i keep charging heavy through orange bubble attacks?
>>540851949Intimidating Aura? No, it's always been God-tier, the only change it ever received was getting a 5-second cooldown, which sent it from SSS-tier to SS-tier. It's still THE best perk in the game, arguably the only one that mogs Tactical's Battle Focus.
>>540852212His best Signature is Armored Advance, which is the bottom one. The game doesn't tell you that, when Bulwark has stagger protection, he shrugs off a fuckton of projectiles while blocking that would otherwise stagger him. There are tiers of stagger to every ranged attack in the game, and having the stagger protection allows him to block shots from e.g. Venom Cannons or Zoanthrope balls and not give a fuck.
>>540852212All three have their uses, but shock grenade and hyperarmour are definitely more useful. Especially since you risk instakilling an extremis and denying a teammate a potential 30% heal.>>540852219Didn't it get massively boosted by the update that made it deal damage based on difficulty? Before that it was still okay iirc, but that update making it two-shot any majoris+ is just wacko
>>540851963>Using explicit Imperial Fists gear on a Raven Guard descendant
>>540848747An unfortunate typo on my part which shuffled the files and Angels of Vengeance ended up in the wrong slot. I rolled out a fix and they are now listed in as correct successor chapter. Thanks for bringing that up, Brother.>>540851963Received, Brother.
New community update Brothers:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/278-september-community-update?
>>540851949Before the perfect block rework, Intimidating Aura didn't even proc with blocks.
>>540852428>the stagger protection allows him to block shots from e.g. Venom Cannons or Zoanthrope balls and not give a fuck.this absolutely is a gamechanger, I used to run the shock grenade perk then I saw a webm of anon just walking casually towards sniper nids while being hit by several beams at once and not giving a fuck. Being able to tank green balls also makes you feel you actually contribute to the fight instead of wasting the entire plasma magazine on the fucker.
>>540852428Armored Advance is yet another perk that was ignored by all the guides on release because shitters loved their free shock grenade on armor break.Even back then I was skeptical as shit.
>Spend two hours finding out everything I can about Dark Angels Heraldry and the best ways to paint them>Come out of it with 0 conclusionsAh yes...the secrets in the archives still obfuscated to an initiate like myself...
>>540852921>Over the course of the year, we are going to continue expanding customization options, not only with the new parts but with new options as well. Without spoiling the surprise, here are some hints about what we are going to implement:>1) Something we should have done long time agoChaos >2) Something we said we are going to do, but nobody noticedFace customization>3) Something we said we are never going to doMix wargear?
>>540852552I mean, if we didn't know it was from IF DLC pack then it would've been just a fancier shoulder pad. Even the shield doesn't have any IF related markings, that I know of, plus the fist 'keychain' haning behind is barely visible.
>>540852921>50 more conditions plannedHoly shit
>>540853134To be fair, the knowledge regarding AA is pure "test it and find out." It explains nothing about how it actually functions. When you're in a scenario where you can't dodge because so much shit is coming at you at once and you know you'd get clipped by something the moment you recovered, being able to hunker down with shield block and face tank all the melee hits AND the venom cannon beaming for you is just some insane survivability that no other class has.
>>540853145Did you spend those two hours on youtube or something? Their heraldry is pretty well documented.
>>540852921Another PROS event.... Yay....
>>540852921Blood Angels champion for Tact but a unique jump pack for the Assaults included.
>>540853432I'm not sure if you need AA for these two in particular but you can actually block the carnifex' spine bunkers and the neurothropes barrier shockwave attacks with the storm shield. You get staggered but you don't take damage.
>>540852921>we didn't playtest 10.0 because we made so many changes>there were so many changes that bugs crept in>from now on we will be playtesting every release>except when we make a release with a lot of changes like 10.0 wasThat's not... how logic works
>>540853480Its probably going to based on the Death mask Version of the Blood Angel Captain so we can still larp as sang guard
>>540852921>Something we should have done long time agoModular costumization, no retarded class exclusive items, colorable ropes and clothes, better coloring system, UI clean up, more customization slots, allowing us to use the cool ultramarine themed items from the campaign, mark 8 armor?There are like a fucking million things they should have done ages ago.2) Something we said we are going to do, but nobody noticed?3) Something we said we are never going to doCapes or iron halo for other classes, I guess.>>540853181Oh yeah, 2) is probably faces. The meshes are already there in the files.
>>540853442Mostly just being indecisive about how I want to color a veteran sternguard. It's pretty gay there's no lower robes for anyone but bulwark
>>540853469>fight a badly designed, unfun boss to unlock a primaris helmetlol
I'll so forget about it...
>>540852921>next Champion Pack will be the Blood Angels’ and it will be associated with the Tactical class. Yes, Tactical. Now, before all Blood Angels come to our office searching for Horus, please note that the Champion Pack will also come with its own unique Jump Pack,Called it. The separating of Champion parts means there's little to no incentive to actually worry about who gets what skin outside of armor pattern restrictions like Tacticus/Phobos/Gravis. They can add parts to other classes and not have to worry.
>>540853921Dude your number 1 would be actual peak, even just as simple as adding mark 8 would be a huge win but its defiantly going to be let people edit chaos marines it adds up with them adding new chaos champion skins coming out with allowing loyalist editing champions>3) Something we said we are never going to do Capes or iron halo for other classes, I guess.Iron Halos high chance capes would be huge.
>>540853181>>540853921I wonder if they're going to give us only stock faces or let us customize them a bit.
>>540852921>bots customizationStraban is going to be even more of a Straban when you have to do things by yourself. But I think that is going to heavily depend on whether the AI can properly lead targets with the heavy plasma projectiles or not.
>>540854479if we cant actually customize customize them whats the point I rather them just give us more helmets >1) Something we should have done long time agoWhat if its banner edits
>>540853921Never going to do was Chaos in PVE.
>>540854636They're gonna have to fix the shit out of the AI. I don't know if you know, but bots get stuck with the loadout of the player who was that class on leaving in Siege, and Tactical bot hasn't got a fucking clue how to use the Pyreblaster.
Is there any way to autoleave lobby on mission end so i don't need to wait another load to stay at my armoury for 10 min.When bots will get at least random team perk?
>>540854253Fortunately, they were mum as to the difficulty it needs to played at.
>>540854807I hope so but I doubt it.
>>540724606Retro Blood Angel for the Dude Wall
>>540854253>fightanon, you don't need to fight anything. you will unlock the helmet automatically 3/4 into the deadline. it's just the higher ups noticed that noone is queuing vortex after completing the datavault challenge and the devs seek to skew the metrics in their favor.
Auspex explosion on reinforcement calling enemies or auspex headshot kill on majoris/extremis for the weekly hard?
>>540852921Does this mean they're not gonna fix chaos spawns spawning by 2 digits?
Genuinely this better be fucking massive. Like even by Saber's standards. I'm not expecting the modular customization idea in the Focus forums with 2,000,000 score, but I expect at minimum for every class to have access to all the "possible" armor parts from their respective armor patterns.>Tactical, Assault and Bulwark all share from the same general main armor pool>Sniper and Vanguard likewise>Heavy and Techmarine when they drop
>Lastly on the Update 11 topic, a long-awaited feature will be added: Bots Customisation! When launching a PvE Operation with bots, they will automatically equip one of your loadouts. Now loadouts are fine, but if they can use your perks I'm going to do 90% less pub runs and just do bots. My Vermintide 2 bot Kruber and Bardin were better than most of the playerbase, even if their AI was very suboptimal and their loadouts had to be tailored specifically to their brand of retardation.
>>540852921Are these fucking faggots ever going to fix the servers? I am so sick of seeing everything jerking around. It worked fine for a while after maintenance.
>>540857507At least now I won't have my teammates with garbage team perks. The Vanguard and Tactical bot would help simply by existing.
>>540857707I pride myself on figuring out the best bot loadouts and will be doing the same here. Because SM2 bots have infinite ammo you can saddle them with funny stuff like firerate fusil which fires twice per second, or heroic plasma.
>>540855401Received.
>>540857507Will bots be able to use block weapons? Man, imagine giving a bot heavy the heroic plasma. This has the potential to make bots actually better than the majority of players.Presumably you can also get your entire squad looking like your custom chapter now too.>we aren't going to make the hard weekly stratagem easierwell then level lock it you fucking slavic monkeys
>>540858541Or get rid of the EXP reward for clearing Weekly Hards.
>>540858196The bulwark bot has been dropping flags on you when you perform finishers for like a year now. Taking a bulwark with healing flag is going to be such a simple and obvious boost to your solos. I wonder if they'll actually let you pick your bot classes?>bulwark with necron blade, full parry build, healing flag and the cooldown reduction on blocking shots>heavy with cooldown reduction on his shield, heroic plasmaI'd be willing to bet money that run would actually go smoother than 99% of public matchmaking runs.
>>540857256>Like even by Saber's standardsWhat? Their standards are evidently dogshit.
>>540857653The game works very smoothly on modern pcs. If youre having performance issues, its your PC, not the game, and you should get it resolved before blaming the game.As others have said, its likely the fault of the graphics card drivers.
Even after playing 48+ games to unlock all the PvE Chaos armor sets, I want to play more Helbrute mode.
>Our objective with Stratagems was to add the hardest content in the game and we are not planning to make Weekly Hard Stratagems easier. get fucked reddit
I guess we'll found out the first step of their master plan regarding customization in the PTS update dropping in late October? PTS always ran for two weeks.
if the>something we said we'd never doin regards to customization is letting you use chaos parts in PvE, they're genuinely fucking stupid
>>540857653are you sure it's the servers and not stuttering?
>>540853228it literally says "dorn"
>>540859443do you tap fire or charge the hellbrute gunare you meant to just hide as him or what
>>540860253It's the only thing I can even think of that they said they'd never do.
>>540860253>t. grinded 50 hours in shitty pvp for the skinslmaoing @ u
Why do cultists las guns hit so fucking hard wtf?
>>540859318The game runs smoothly when not playing online.
>>540860418Tap fire to kill Charge fire to briefly cover chokepoints with the damaging plasma trailYou might want to hide for a slight bit to get your healing scream ready but you're really going to be want to shooting back at opponents to recover contested health. Sometimes your luck is bad and the area you have to control has little to no cover.Just avoid chasing people to exclusively melee them, you're locked into the animation for way too long. Only swing with the hammer if someone is actually walking into melee range.
>Overall Heroic weapons are meant to allow different playstyles, they are meant to be a sidegrade for existing relic weapons. Heroic weapons will forever be completely useless.
>>540860696the servers seem to work great for me and all my friends with solid internet connections. i would recommend you reset your modem or router. should have started with this one but I couldn't find it
>>540860443getting the skins is not hardthe fact that we will have chaos marines in our missions is dumball we wanted was guardsmen and space marines as an enemy type for some chaos mission that was just there for fun
>>540861317No thank you Sabre T1 "support". Every other game seems to work fine. Fix your shit servers. I want to close this ticket.
>>540861269I don't hate the chainsword now that I fucked with it a bit.Apparently the heroic plasma cannon isn't bad neither.
>>540861269Until block heroic
>>540861416>all we wanted was guardsmen and space marines as an enemy type for some chaos mission that was just there for funno? nobody ever wanted that. you mentioned it twice, very recently.
>>540861571>nobody ever wanted thatthinking you speak for everyone while being incredibly out of touch takes a very low IQ
>>540861769Selfdamage tho
>>540861571Do people really want chaos operations where the only things you'll fight a armies of guardsmen and just some beefy loyalist marines? As if most of us didn't complain how boring fighting waves of rubric marines constantly were. Space Marines don't even have the benefit of having decent extremis/terminus enemies aside from loyalist versions of terminators, dreadnoughts, and maybe some ogryns on the imperial guard side. I don't feel particularly enticed by the promise of blowing up a bunch of big tanks neither.
>>540862801>while being incredibly out of toucheveryone was saying saber was retarded when they thought people were just asking for chaos customization in PvEpeople were asking for a heretic astartes mission against nids
They could have chaos marines fight thousand sons. They'd just have to stipulate that the chaos marine team is NOT thousand sons.
>>540863153Chaos marines have infighting all the time. It wouldn't be much of a stretch if a band of the existing CMs got together under the Black Legion and just started fucking with the Thousand Sons for some powerful mcguffin they wanted to steal.
Just ain't having fun on chaos missions.
I dont know what you guys are talking about, missions seems easy.And yea its the hard strategem, i tab for a second at the end.https://streamable.com/84zre5
Leave it to out of touch slavoid devs to lash out at their own playerbase for shitting on them for the first two difficult hard stratagems that they're doubling down.
>>540863184That's dumb, on both parts. Easy to implement as armor set by dev, but no because fuck you. Absolutely useless since the same gameplay for player. You can just fix your urge to look like clown astartes by mods.Ask for more enemy factions, not basically reskin of current.
>>540863504turns out we never wanted saber to fix chaos missions, we wanted to play as chaos marines and fight the imperium all along!
>>540863408Would be nice if Chaos had some unique perks
>>540863656The point of a Hard++ difficulty is that not everyone can do it, look at the people queueing for it, they arent even trying.
>>540865610Looking at this logically, Saber should lock it behind a level requirement. I'd go even further and set an additional limitation in the form of having X prestige levels. OR cut out experience reward altogether, bump the other ones.They should got with either first option or first and second one. Alternatively third option could help somewhat
>>540863656Weekly Hards is like 40% difficulty from the game being difficult and RNG screwing you over and 60% teammates being fucking useless
>>540861269>balanced CS will forever remain bis, because devs refuse to give the heroic non-abysmal swing speed. Like the heroic is usable after the speed buff, but it's still not it.
>>540866116Hard stratagems are not normal Absolute games with modifiers, they're wave 15+ hard siege mode with anti-player modifiers on top of those modifiers.You take way more damage in these games than in normal Absolute and some modifier combinations are simply unplayable like the first overtuned one.
>>540857507while they're at it, they should let loadouts save weapon and class perks
Nu-Vox Liberatis is the hardest operation since the Biovore updateI rather run Fall of Atreus or Reliquary
>Only ranged class vs Vortex Beast>Decides you're going to be it's personal fleshlight for the whole fight
>>540869762Sniper just deaggros with stealth
>>540869762>stepping on the landing pad with two melee classesguess who's to blame
>>540870416That's how I beat my first Absolute run on Vortex.
>>540870263and then does fuckall because no one is hitting constant headshots against a sperging target thats not aggrod on you
>>540871235Sniper became useless as more updates came byAnything other than a carbine build is practically throwing high level games away, you can get away with a Stalker bolter in Tyranid games but its still trashLas Fusil and Bolt Sniper rifle went from once OP to absolutely useless
>>540871628So it's not just me, I thought the sniper is the worst class currently and does 0 damage, not sure how everyone talks about ZOMG 3 MILLIONS DAMAGE ONES SHOTS LMAO.Sniper on max difficulty just does nothing
>>540865610>weekly "please come back and play the game" mission>make it so hard people will stop playing the gameI don't think player retention draws are the place to put high optional difficulty.
>vanguards and snipers desperately trying to act like they're important for this new weekly>vanguard eats shit nonstop and rage quits>get a tactical who gives me infinite grenades and doesn't suck assJust bring a power fist and double plasma guns magically everything just dies.
>>540871628>requires you to actually land headshots to do good damage>still does less damage than some retard with a plasma gun who can just hit the enemy anywhere on the body>saber will never change this because the cloak spamming and rezzing while cloaked is reason enough for them to think sniper is overpowered>even though his best build doesn't use cloak spamming, and a fucking carbine
>>540872201I clear Absolutes just fine with him but I haven't actually used him in hard strategems.I do which to a carbine when there's a terminus enemy at the very end.
Are hard stratagems any different from absolute beside those mods?
>>540872665Enemies have more health and deal more damage.
>>540872665feels like there has to be a health bump to the enemies, they don't die nearly as easily as they should
>>540872423Can you post the build? I only used stalker and the sniper rifles so far, I want to play a bit of him
How do you use the power sword?
>>540872420>>540872201the large number of enemies made sniping a useless playstylethey should reclass sniper into scoutturn scipius into a scout marine instead of an eliminatorthis way he can have access to more guns and will fit the horde gameplay style better
>>540873173>Switch to Power Stance>Spam lights against Minoris>Spam Power Rake (hold) against Majoris not in your face but like 5ish meters away>Spam Power Whirl (light > wait a second and don't make an input > light) against 2+ Majoris in your face
>>540873475Or just increase the ammo pool, what kind of retarded shit is that he has only 20 shots or less?
>>540872881>Column 1: More melee damage>Column 2: More ammo>Column 3: Weapon or choice perk on whichever weapon you like>Team Perk: Squad renewal>Column 4: Heal contested health on stealth>Column 5: Ranged damage bonus on cloak>Column 6: Less health damage on decloak>Signature Perk: Pattern of ExcellenceAny primary weapon on Sniper can fuck up high priority ranged majoris enemies, zoans, and terminators.
>>540873696Same devs who thought that the Heavy should only regain ammo back by MELEE executing an Extremis enemy while the Tactical can kill any Majoris any way they want for 30 seconds and get ammo back
>>540720757Darktide/Vermintide niggers are fucking seeeeething about this game, is it really that good? Depth and difficulty? Skill ceiling?
>>540873794thanks fren
>>540873986Only played Darktide but Darktide has way more going on in terms of mechanics.Both of the highest difficulty content will have mob enemies/non-specialists peppering you for significant damage but it's a bit harder to avoid those in SM2.I haven't fucked with Havocs in Darktide but I found the toughest content in SM2 right now (Hard Strategems) to be tougher than Auric Maelstroms.
>>540873986It's the best 7/10 game I've played in a long while. All of the problems only start becoming apparent when you're in Absolute / Hard Strat / Hard Siege where enemy numbers break the game's combat flow into an annoying mess.I'll give Saber this, their update schedule is consistent, unlike Darktide. The quality is all over the place, but we get decent updates every 2ish months.
>>540873986its not that deep, but the gameplay has more variation then v2 and its overall harder.i can solo twins/vanguard on cata in v2 for days with 100% winrate, but i can´t fucking do the currently weekly hard stratagem solo. but you´ll need to know that in sm2 its not like in v2, where you can defeat basically everything in endless amounts (bar assasins) if you are good enough. if too many enemies are on the screen you will die, mostly because of ranged enemies and unparriables.
>>540720757Does the heavy bolt rifle still inexplicably do less damage than the regular bolt rifle?
>>540874626Yes, refer to Reddit or the Focus forums if you want to see your complaints about it. Even they think bolt weapon damage is a joke.
>>540874510I know people fuck with the block knife but I feel the need to regain armor and delete minoris enemies so I personally roll with the fencing knife.
>>540874824>>540874626*if you want the devs to see your complaints
I will join your high difficulty games as lvl 1 and you will have to kick me and kvetch about it on here.
>>540782147It wouldn't because fundamentally the chainsword is the best weapon in the game, full stop.You'd figure he could at least get the power sword, or even just the rest of the bolt guns.
>>540874545Don't tide splain to me pussy. I'm a cataclysm God from vermintide. Darktide is fucking garbage easy shit.
>>540874837You're a Sniper you shouldn't be in melee anywayWith the carbine you gain grenades really fast with Pattern of Excellence
>>540873986I dropped Darktide after 60ish hours, it's mechanics are nice but the progression/unlock system is bare and you can't drip out your character and even if you could it's a first person game. Can't turn off crossplay and I found higher difficulties to be impossible when some consoletard playing Psyker joins.
>>540782147tl;dr: People would pick him more and you would never get to be a tactical
>>540819328Vanguard with the equipment recharge on kill and a melta bomb is CRITICAL for dealing with termie swarmsHe can get them ALL to red if he hooks into them on spawn and goes for the bomb, which he can then get back by killing some cultists
>>540874561>>540874561Now this is answer I'm after, just bought it. Based on this reply.
>>540874837Also I take the prestige perks for>more damage after gunstrike>uninterruptible gunstrike>2 second invuln on cloak>primary ammo gain on secondary weapon kill>>540875364You do but I can eventually get the same results with a pistol.I actually haven't tried to see if I could snipe zoans from max distance with the bolt carbine with all the spread reduction perks.
>>540873475or use a solution multiple horde shooter games worked out ages ago>reward precision hits with bigger damage and explosionsit would require a model tweak, but he really should have the hotshot las
>>540782519Nah, it's west - black hole - east (japan only)
>>540873986Tide players seethe about everything, that's what Fatshark does to someone.
>>540875824What are some good games by black hole developers?
>>540724606Black Templar Tactical Marine for the Wall, new arrival
>>540875918Kingdom Under Fire by the goreans.
>>540875908It's wild, there is literally one in this thread that replied to me. He said darktide has more mechanics lmaooooooooo. I don't think he knows what a mechanic is vs a number or % changing
>>540875643Tactical without Steady Supplies should be an autokick the same way Vanguards without heal and shieldnigger Bulwarks with no heal banners
>>540875690Spess Mehreens don't use lasgunsEliminators are just SM snipersScout Marines have more access to other weapons like bolters, heavy bolter, plasmas, missile launchers, etc.
>>540876056Heal banner? Are you fuckin retarded
>>540876041Being able to vault over stuff, ducking and sliding under bullets, dodging, and pushing already has more going on than rolling in SM2 in terms of defensive options.
>>540876056The truth is, a prestige IV tactical is easily the highest skill ceiling class in the game because everything in his kit is about making his damage numbers higher at the expense of having basically default defense, which doesn't matter if your fundamentals are good because you'll just kill shit at range or parry-auspex into shooting them in the faceMelta rifle and pyreblaster are trap options, plasma is as good as people think it is but HBR has ABSURD sustain if you're good at landing headshots
>>540876248Space marine 2 has dodges, perfect dodges, perfect blocks, blocks, parries and perfect parries. There is no use case for ducking or vaulting in darktide. You have slide dodge as the apex of skill kek
>>540876339charged plasma is trash in this weekly stratagemeven with the fast charge version it still takes too long to kill and regain chpi beat it with the carbine and pyreblaster on tyranid levelsthe heroic heavy plasma is great for this week, too bad the ammo pool sucks
>>540876535Heroic heavy plasma has better ammo eco than other plasma option and you should get ammo back from tons of extremist spawns anyway.
>>540876248You think Sm2 doesn't have a push block wtf? Have you played the game? There is also dashes and anim cancels within weapon combos. You have actually no idea wow
>no content until the end of November>"Heroic weapons suck on purpose and they will continue to suck">"Nobody likes Stratagems but we will continue to make them harder and also ruin Siege Mode by implementing them there too">"Customization will be good sometime in the next year, we promise™"What an inspiring community update. Good god, I need to find something else to play.
>>540848637Chingchang is shit, though.
>>540876772Didnt read the community post.... October isn't real, weird. Are you that darktide faggot
>>540876535I agree, I think this stratagem is fencing chainsword + carbine or HBRPerfect parries on this stratagem do extra damage like intimidating aura but with no cooldown, so that + auspex on perfect parries is just a no brainer combo that allows you to sweep majoris and extremis as long as your parry timing is on pointThe instant kill on auspex headshots is VERY useful for how many terminators you're going to be running into, also works well on biovores in a pinch
>>540876772I think Sabre is filled with ex Gaijin employees.
>>540853469What's this pros bullshit? I saw there was some gear to be had for linking accounts, but I don't wanna join some cringe tryhard esports community or whatever.
>>540876772All the heroic weapons are good besides the power sword and chainsword, and that's mostly because balance weapons suck (And even then vanguard can make the chainsword work because of his extra parry frames perk)The bolt pistol, combi-melta and heavy plasma are all great
>>540859318You don't even need a modern PC. My 9070 XT broke, I went back to 6600 XT and it still works fine, just looks worse.
>Stratagems are fine>Anyway, here's a really cancerous weekly stratagem modifier combo
>>540878080"We want stratagems to be hard but also not worth doing at all"10/10 game design
Current weekly strats are the most fun mission i had in long while. Surgical strike + bulwark intimidating aura combo is peak.
>>540875937Received.
>>540852921>Tac Blood AngelGod damnit. Why can’t these Slavs do anything right?
>>540878080The normal difficulty one is no problem, just finished it with no one going downThe hard one should be hard, I'm glad there's something worth bragging about when you finally beat it
>>540872201That's good, because personally I suck dicks at precise shooting.
>>540872201carbine/stalker sniper works, you just don't really have any team utility besides cloak revives where as vanguard and tactical can use the same weapons but have actual utility and/or shit way more damage out
>>540857256Chaos in pve? copium i know
>>540875918There aren't any.
>>540878973So someone brought up another thing that the devs said they'd never do.>Chaos cosmetics in PvE>Loadout, the devs claiming it was incredibly low on their priority and they'd likely never do itSadly, it's probably loadouts between these two. I mean I want loadouts, but this beats out Chaos cosmetics.
>>540878438Calm your skull tits Brother. They did say assault's getting a separate jump pack. But I do get where you're coming from.
>had to bust out flamethrower for the nidder part of the weeklyholy fuck it makes things much easier
>>540879238wtf is loadouts, you already have loadouts you can set in the armory.chaos stuff would be hype
>>540878438>>540879395At the very least it does mean us Blood Angels LARPers finally get the mandatory blood vial on the fucking knee/shin. Retarded that it was never part of the original cosmetic pack to be honest.
>execution animation ends>die to 1000sporemine explosions
>>540879505>wtf is loadouts, you already have loadouts you can set in the armory.Those aren't loadouts, they're weapon presets. Loadouts would actually change shit like your class and weapon perks per option. So if you toggled mid-mission, it'd change everything, not just your guns.
>>540879689why the fuck would they never do that? it's just some simple, obvious QoL. not something they have to overhaul some part of the game for.
>>540879505They meant, at least that's what I inferred, weapon+perks loadouts. Right now you are locked out from some builds/combinations due to fact you can't switch your perks mid game that would work with plasma weapons if you were starting your game with bolters and your perks were premade for those.
>>540879689>>540879813this would 100% break any semblance of balancing.im still going with my copium of something for chaos. They said they would never give chaos PVE
>>540857507Proper bots would be a massive improvement , better than 80% of the playerbase. This community is infested with gamerdads and grandpas who have a hard time cleaning substantial, but who insist on queuing for hard strats on their trusty lvl 17 tactical with aligned aim, while also bringing their brother in law on the deadly well customized lvl 13 heavy with extra ammo perk. Its been weeks, and yet they still queue. They still die before the first big checkpoint, but they don’t seem to take a hint. We have the exact same muppets queuing in a month after these stratagems released. What do they hope to accomplish? Nobody knows. Beyond your comprehension. Bots can’t come soon enough, at least you can make them bring the right perks and guns
>see Assault teammate in midair get shot down by assault cannon TerminatorsJUST
>>540880762Should have picked immunity prestige...
>>540880919He's level 20, no prestige..
If current bots could break call for reinforcement, that would be nearly good enough
>>540880762KWAB
by bot loadouts they just mean weapons, right? bots don't have perks iirc, nor do the loadouts.
>>540881097But does he have ANY team perk? Like literally ANY? Cause yesterday i got 2 guys 20+ level and both got none. May be they were leveling prestige but why don't you take passive while doing it?
>>540880919There are some attacks that hit you through that and the invuln as you're going up it might just be the neuro laser but with sabre you never really know.
>Vanguard zips to a Terminator>does its missile AoE spam>dies>can't get to him because there's two of them now
>>540881290Nigger can you not read?>When launching a PvE Operation with bots, they will automatically equip one of your loadouts.
>>540881329are you looking at the shit you are replying to and writing? are you dense?
Straban with Heroic Heavy Plasma would break the game
>>540881670My point is it could've been worse
>>540817012I can understand the first decline, that's just good rp. You are doing a mission together though. He should've shook your hand.
the marksman carbine and occulus bolt rifle are both bonkers with tact's +15% dmg
>>540881718He already does.
>>540881670Sorry, prob very tired
>>540878160This is my biggest problem with this. The modifiers make it the opposite of fun, all the while the actual rewards are sidegrades at best, downgrades at worst with some of their stat distribution.So what the fuck is the point of doing them if you have everything unlocked? It's just going to be a dead mode, because if I want a fun challenge I'll just do HSiege for like 15-20 waves.At least in Havoc 30+ in DT the enemy density is legit insane, making you feel like a god, even if you're normal human. Meanwhile I feel like I'm made out of tissue paper and can't even engage large groups as a space marine in SM2.
>>540883308Oh no I have the option to fight a bunch of extremis enemies while having intimidating aura on my perfect parries. This is so bullshit fatshark please fixActual skill issue>At least in Havoc 30+ in DT the enemy density is legit insaneYou only like it because you can google the class builds that make it possible, whereas SM2 requires skilled execution at every step while punishing mistakes
>>540883528Holy mother of cope
Animation team fucking cooked on the power fist executes for the chaos spawn.
>unlocked every Accolade reward>nothing new being added for nearly two monthsI guess I'm free from doing stratagems for a while. I thought they'd add more in October but apparently not. Have fun with this god awful weekly.
I still don't see how current weekly is worse than previous. Like in previous you had 2 best classes debuffed so you're forced into having 2 shit classes in team. Now you don't.
>>540884819There are so many Extremis in this mission that you're basically playing 15+ wave Hard Siege. Even with the best classes, 99.99% of the playerbase aren't build for it. I did it earlier with two anons from here, Bulwark+Vanguard+Heavy, and we almost flubbed the success run multiple times. You couldn't go five seconds without tripping over a squadron of Terminators.
>>540884819>Get to Nids vs Chaos section>Takes like 10 minutes straight to clear out the fuckhuge hordes>Soon as it ends it spawns 4 Terminators and a bunch of extra shitits pretty gay
>>540879973They said it was a customization thing so heres to hoping it is the chaos stuff.
>>540885510Might also be face customization as well since they said it was something they wanted to do ages ago.
You don't need to kill everything in Vox Liberatis, you're much better served sticking as one group and moving from one lift to another.You only really need to fight in the totem sections, everything else just move and run straight to the lifts.
>>540735728Rollin for the angel
>>540885071Didn't felt that way desu, done current one 2nd try with randoms. Bulwark destroys this mission. Like one perfect block - half of terminator is gone. Rest of team can run around doing anything just providing health regen through vanguard. To be fare in those 2 runs 0 calls for reinforcements succeeded, yet we had over 60 special kills in total.Previous one took me around 10 tries with randoms...
Joytoy has close ties to both GW and Saber, and have made multiple figures based on the high tier cosmetics of the classes from Space Marine 2. People are placing bets the Blood Angels Champion is going to be one of these two figures.
>>540885845Blood Angels always look so ass
>>540886020They look great when fanon'd, but their official stuff always looks really dumb.
>>540885845The worst part about them is blood part, it's very gay
>>540886020I actually like their low tier guys, those blue and yellow helmets are pretty cool. But yeah, the blinged out guys look fucking terrible in general.
>>540722426Well what playstyle is this class? How is it different from a bulwark?
>vox liberatis but with 500% more extremis enemiesFun
>>540885845They teased sanguinary guard on the trailer
>>540887097That was a stock image, I wouldn't take it 100% seriously. They used this art for the Salamanders, and we know we're definitely not getting power fists with mounted pyrecannons for Heavy.
It's not fun when you play on ruthless and your plasma gun doesnt one shot minoris. Come on, they are chaffs.
>>540854479>>540853181What's the point of face customization. I never, ever saw anyone walk around without a helmet. I don't want to see people like this to begin withUnless it's somehow connected to class stacking. If I can run thematic teams, then I'm willing to accept it
>>540854479>>540888178It's very possible the "thing they'd never do" is allowing multiple classes, and the solution is to allow you to put the head of any of the six characters on any class.
>>540888314>>540888178*multiple of the same classes
Looks like I won't be doing the hard weekly this week.
Reminder that the accolades id is req id-78 and to get the actual number, you take your current quantity x8+1
>>540888314Well that would make sense. I'd simply just make characters selectable separately from classes. Just add character select as an another row above classes.
Honestly they have to make a class stacking a thing for a Techmarine release. Otherwise this coop mode will become a singleplayer mode for a longer time
>get to elevator>Sniper is 100 meters behind us because he found a medpack>Is pinging it for the dude on deaths door to come back and grab it>dude runs all the way back>get a fuckhuge swarm>all of us lose a shit ton of health>elevator>termies and wizards spawn>retarded ass sniper is standing there fighting instead of getting on the elevator>we losesometimes i dont like this game
>>540888314>inb4 they add a melee weapon to heavy while he's using HBRI'd be laughing. But honestly lifting class restrictions would be the most reasonable thing to do, especially with a new class on the horizon which everyone and their grandmother will want to play as.
>>540876214The las fusil is just a big lasgun, it's too gay to be a small lascannon.
>>540889986>>540888314>They not only release the class limit and allow you to choose your character's personality, they also add a couple more for good measure just to increase varietyI'll stop dreaming now.
>>540889459>they make bots use your loadouts with perks and weapons>meaning that slapping a heroic plasma on a heavy bot would literally just make him more useful than an actual player>tactical bot with a flamer is also just outright better than an actual playerAll these niggers had to do was allow class stacking, but no we gotta have unique personalities for some reason, as if that is every a good idea with how milktoast the writing for these marines is
>>540889986I wonder how busted the knife would be with heavy giving it a 150% increased damage modifier
>>540890340>>tactical bot with a flamer is also just outright better than an actual playerTrust me, the bot doesn't know how to use it. I've seen it try.
>heroic weapons are meant to be sidegrades to relic weapons>but we gave most of them horrible downsides so they're actually objective downgrades in general playThe only value heroic weapons would have right now would be unlocking a skin but they couldn't even do that.
>>540890496No fucking way. Does it tap the fire and not actually spray?
>>540871235Does vortex beast even have a head hitbox?
>>540890948It has no concept of the range limitation, so it just "full autos" the Pyreblaster at 20+ meters towards a gaunt it can't reach.
>>540890674None of them have a downside outside of being a balance weapon
>>540890340u don't like cookie cutter stoic/virtue slop?
>>540891384>mfwI am convinced that the same people who designed the combat system aren't even working on SM2's support anymore, it's just a bunch of interns instead doing the balancing and coding. You'd think they could talk to the dlc support team but I guess not, and the dlc team has no idea what they're doing.>mfw we get melee weapon re-balancing every 3 months, because splitting parry types was a retarded idea from the startThe funniest bit is that all of that could've been solved by just giving every melee weapon type fencing parry and just adjusting the stats to have the weapons actually do damage. Them trying to make block type parry work just proves they have no idea how the enemies are designed to interact with melee.
>>540891516I would prefer if they actually had energy to themhttps://youtu.be/4MSZI6-m65Y?si=9jghrWASWs58IzZZThey don't even sound like they're fighting, more like they're having a water cooler talk back at the battle barge.
>>540887375Anon that was used to tease salamander cosmetics theres no way they put sanguinary guard and then not add it for the champion pack.
>>540892627>Use image of Sanguinary Guard>Use image of Salamander Hellblasters>We're gonna get one for sure, but not the other, that's dumbThey were both placeholder images.
>>540878438That is the best class to get a champion for now that customization is unlocked, considering tac parts can be used on all classes, not to mention they said there is also a blood angels jetpack added. I was afraid it was gonna be vanguard.
>>540891418>being a balance weaponRuined.>under 6 speed and not being blockRuined.>having half the effective ammo of a damage heavy bolt pistolRuined.>isn't based on the ammo variant of a relic weaponRuined.
>Bot customization is coming with player loadouts This is going to trivialize the game because 99% of players are worse than the bots lol
>>540890496That doesn't matter because if you're running bots you're also rushing through maps, which pulls the bots to you and therefore into range of everything. Infinite ammo pyre tact is going to be one of the most OP bots you can get.
>retarded vanguardnigger goes down in the first 60 second of vox while I have 3 extremis and horde and 6 majoris on mehow do these retards even breath?
>>540891418>None of them have a downsideWell you're mathematically wrong. They're all downgrades, the only exception is the Relic chainsword vs balance chainsword (block is still higher damage).
>>540892848Screencap this for when its revealed to be the sanguinary guard so you can feel like a mega retard.
>>540892848>>540885845Of all three options the Captain looks best and Sang guard looks worse.So its going to be the Sang guard. Because Saber doesn't actually like 40k and always picks the wrong shit to add.
>>540886020red and black dudes are cool but their golden dudes with fuck-ugly masks are just atrocious
>>540894518It's going to be the right one here or something like it >>540885845 because it's the least amount of work. The musculature on the armor is massive work alone for Saber. They're not gonna do a whole ass helmet on top.
what's the level/skill requirement to do hard strategem?
>>540895214max/max
>>540895214Based on how I always see the average pubbie fail horribly, pretty demanding.
>>540893542>Has to google loadouts just to play on lethalPost hard stratagem clear
>>540894503Tactical doesn't need to always take ammo variants because he's regenerating a full magazine every 30 seconds, and the combi-melta even has 5 more rounds per mag than the GL bolt rifleThe relic plasma is comically better too
so which team perk do you prefer for your battlebrothers to have? For me they are:>Tacticalgrenade refill>Assaultabilities recharge faster>Vanguardheal>Bulwarkarmour every 30s>Sniperabilities recharge>Heavyranged dmg reduction
>>540895294>>540895453damn back to farming ruthless then
>>540885824Yea but you have to.consider the fact that the average shitter rando job to a single terminator/lictor. Also, the tighter frame on parry means that balance weapons straight up get frame trapped (you can't parry some sequenced combo at all). You have to bring block or fencing.
>>540895214Solo bulwark with AI? Just the top row. Every other class typically max level.
>>540897491The same but assault gunstrike damage instead
>>540894234It's more that a significant amount of damage from pyreblaster is from the burn, not the direct damage. The burn damage is based on difficulty level, not weapon stat. Therefore, common lvl 1 pyreblaster does almost as much damage as a relic pyreblaster. Bot always have basic unypgraded weapons so pyreblaster bot does significantly better damage than any other bots and you get bot huge hp pool on top of it
Failed my first hard weekly. Who the fuck joins chaos missions as a chainsword assault with an inferno pistol?
>>540897491I prefer melee damage on assault on terminus/extremist. Gunstrike is the next preference. Ability recharge is last. Every class except heavy benefits from that melee bonus and 20% is substantial. Gunstrike is nice and universal but the damage itself is not insane (gunstrike is mostly for utility). 10% ability recharge is just too little.
>load into quad zoanNah fuck that shit.
>>540896417>heroic weapons have no downside besides this obvious crippling downsideRetard.>if I can do well with it it's not a bad weaponRetard.>Post hard stratagem clearPost hard stratagem clear
>>540899968>four zoanthropes and a biovore>immediately followed by four biovores
>why didn't you dodgeDamage on dodge modifier.
>next one is 4 termies with missilesWild ride.
>emptied the entire ammo crate with the heavy bolter into the vortex beast>pretty sure i didnt even cause 40% of its health as damage that waywe had a bot FYI
I just say fuck it and carry. Good thing i got my hand on a melta halfway through and put in work. It was nowhere near the ideal comp and we just slug it out.
>anon said hard strategem is easily soloed with bulwark>loaded up a solo game>immediately got jumped by a carnifex, 2 zoan, 1 lictor and 1 biovreokay
another week of unfun shit completed, the relic plasma cannon rapes on vox
>>540902103just kill them lol
>melee terminator remembers he has a gun and one taps melol
>Bulwark finally gets iron halos>thousands of players confused because they simply cannot tell what class they are playing with>their heads just implode because they no longer have class identityDon't do it, Saber!
Remember to load up the damage banner perk bulwark brothers. It's good shit>jump into 3 sorcerers solo>banner>proceed to sit in there fucking their shit up while the rest of the team grabs the altars>kill 2 out of 3 and only a massive enemy wave forced me to retreat
No codes? Everyone beat the weekly already?
>>540897491Same except for Bulwark, as I prefer contested health slowdown, as it means a difference between losing half of your hp or losing nothing.Assault is honestly better with Gunstrikes buff, as 10% recharge is basically fuck all, since you have other ability regen ways for most classes where it matters.Tactical grenade refill is so strong, however, that I consider those who don't take it to be throwing. Like what the fuck was saber thinking by giving already one of the strongest classes in the game ability to give his entire team limitless krak/melta bomb. It and vanguard heal are by far the strongest team perks in the game, with heavy's 25% rdr being a bit further behind.
>>540904931I would say tact's equipment perk > vanguard extremist heal > snipers ability recharge are the strongest team perk. Bulwark's contested health or armor and heavy's reduced ranged damage are next up. Ability recharge is insane because you can shoot head level into a mob of minoris and charge your ability back very quickly.
>>540904931>>540905282Extra supplies are better than Ranged damage reduction.
>>540905390I mean that bulwark and heavy 's perk are weaker than those top 3, but they are still really good of course
god this strat is fucking all my muscle memory
>>540885845Are the abs absolutely necessary?
>a tact with a HBROh for fuck's sake
>>540906758Leave or kickHowever for this week it's not a bad pick, the Pyreblaster and Plasma are dogshit for this weekBest gun for Vox hard strat is the carbine though
>>540906758Nothing wrong with that
>>540905872I loaded in as Bulwark thinking it'd be easier and ate dirt 3 times. Fucking that parry window modifier is a bitch.
>>540905390>sniper has infinite ammo>tactical has infinite ammo>heavy can get ammo from extremis execs, not ideal, but still regen>assault and bulwark don't really care about it>vanguard is fine even without extra ammo
>>540908080>sniper has infinite ammoThey don't especially against Tyranids
>>540908218Bro, your prestige perk? Your ammo version of the las fusil?
>5 fucking terminators spawn all inside each other on the last altar>vanguard and assault dive in right as i set off a melta bomb inside the group>all 5 are instantly executed and exploded from my signatureGood way to end that
>>540908362>Bro, your prestige perk?Nearly as useless as the Heavy's prestige perk, not ideal>Your ammo version of the las fusil?Only useful for Ruthless, completely useless in Absolute or Absolute+++ like in Hard siege/stratagem
>>540908080>>540905390The true answer is full health on revive. >but it's a crutch!Yeah, and a damn fucking good one. Especially if you're doing randoms. Never know what you'll get. It's the kind of perk that you'll miss when it's not there so just take it.
>>540908646Bonds of Brotherhood is fucking trash, the worst Heavy perk.It's like taking the Sniper's fast revive perk.
>>540908646literally the worst prestige perk
>>540908876>>540908943Nah. It's the absolute best one. Has been since Absolute released. Hasn't changed.
>>540909063Absolute best for gigashitters.
>>540908876>>540908943>>540909107Retard.
>>540908538>Only useful for Ruthless, completely useless in Absolute or Absolute+++ like in Hard siege/stratagemActually try it, as the breakpoints for damage fusil don't work for half of the enemies, so you're using an extra shot anyway.The perk also works better with the ammo versions of weapons for obvious reasons, just actually have to remember to pop a minoris every 15 sec.>>540908646Honestly fair. I tend to go for ranged reduction anyway, as at least I can solo carry until my team respawns.
>>540909203I might try ranged reduction since I'm seeing a lot of people suggest it these days. To be fair with the other anons I haven't played a lot since before Siege, and I can't even play Siege due to some issue.To me the reason to take Bonds is again, you simply do not know what you're gonna get with randoms but more than that, I am not going to sit here and pretend I'm some flawless giga gamer who never gets hit, especially on Heavy. If someone is that, and they don't care for the randoms, then sure take ranged damage reduction. But it's all fun and games till you fuck up once and suddenly you really wish that stim you're carrying could take you from half health with a moral wound to back at full and no mortal wound.
>perk which gives Sniper basically infinite ammo>'''uh it's actually useless btw"what a complete gutter this place is lol, you couldn't pay me to play with people from here
>>540909151theres a reason why that perk has been made into a meme, along with duellist anon. why plan for failure?
Do I have to take the free grenades every 60 seconds for tactical? I feel like the 15% ranged damage would be good.
>>540722680My suggestionsTerminators get a lot of extra armourGet slightly more healthOP shit like storm bolters and small assault cannonsExtra resistance to knock back/knockdownSlower build up of status effects like Tyranid puke vision and Obelisk spooky darkness.Ability is a teleportBalanced byMoving slowerSprint is barely faster than a normal marines regular runNo sidearmCan't dodgeCan't gunstrike
>play Heavy>die in melee because BalancedJUSTThey should turn Heavy's melee into Fencing
Either there are less people playing the game now (not even Chinese names) or the matchmaking has been more restrictive lately. Sometimes have to fiddle around with the private mode to make sure its well and truly off, because sometimes it's a ghost town even all the way down to Substantial quick play.
>>540910406If you're not getting matches that means your region (or nearby) is literally dead.
>>540909610I mean when Strategm mode came out I beat it in a few hours with randos, meanwhile this general was bitching about it being impossible a day later.Compared to many other generals, your average /sm2g/ poster is really bad at the game, but they sure do love calling other people retards.
Stormbolters always hurt but when there's four terminators on your ass they're insane.
>>540910086No dodge without a replacement is too much. There are too many attack types from dangerous enemies which are built around dodging away or through them. I would say that they need to be able to block these attacks to reduce the incoming damage at the very least. Either they can all hold parry to engage a bulwark-like block or you need to parry the orange attack (including psychic bubble waves) to mitigate the damage and avoid a hard knockdown. Given that just about any terminator is going to have a power arm of some kind by default we can "justify" how they can do it.
my darktide psyker would wipe the floor with ANY enemy in this gamespace marines are such pussies with their gay rolling lmao
Fact: All the Absolute codes posted here will always be wipes.Don't bother playing with this shit general and just go with randoms or the official Discordtroons, all of whom are superior players.
>>540904753Yea, I can help you if you want.
>>540910180Dude it's been a year now. Just learn the timing for active parry frames at this point.
>>540911114>smug psyker ain't so smug after getting jumped by 3 lictors
>no preview pics of the Salamander heraldryGoddamn it just let me see what I'm getting!
>>540911572Brazier backpack and a chilled lava shoulder
>>540910705But that's the thing. It is a sudden drop in activity from one week to the next. I blame matchmaking because before it is usually almost an instant match with at least one other person.
100% of my wipes in this strategem has been against terminators
>>540902409yes with my dick or something
>>540911742I have no proof of this but it feels like the game sometimes forgets what region you're in and the matchmaking breaks until you restart the client. I've had many experiences where the game can't find people even though it's peak hours on the US west coast and I have crossplay on. Or it can only find people on the other side of the world with awful ping and foreign usernames.The matchmaking for this game has been awful since launch, one of the worst I've ever dealt with, and its problems are going to get more obvious as the player population shrinks.
>>540910086bro how the fuck would Terminators teleport on demand? they need a homer beacon and a teleportarium for fuck's sake
>Las Fusil>Heroic bolt pistol>Block knifeWith this setup, sniper has the answer for everything at any difficulty. Get a melta bomb and be on point with cloak cancels, then you are set for comfy town. Don't even have to take Tactical Ambush because plain shadow stab already chunks terminus HP.
>>540914629
>>540914629>Block
>>540915138He is white, only brown people use Fencing
>>540914629Snoipah's job is to use his ranged weapons as much as possible. Fencing knoife is the best for keeping him out of melee.
>Las FusilUseless gun against Terminus and Extremis enemies>Heroic bolt pistolGood job outing yourself as a gigashitter who will always run out of ammo>Block knifeYeah you're not playing Absolute since you're watching yourself respawn
>>540910086Ah yes, let's make a class with LESS mobility. You get to slog behind your squad mates while perpetually shouting "wait for me" as they storm ahead and get pissed off having to sit and wait for your big back assOnly way I can see it being fun if they had a "space hulk" inspired mode or something, where you are all termies and work together
>>540915620I too love being opposite.
>>540915461>>540915620Retards like this think snipers are bad on absolute/hard stratagemThough I sometimes would use fencing/balance knife (particularly the heroic) if I use bolt carbine because of the reload on gunstrike perk. Block knife works with any gun and let you kill extremist/terminus that you can't do well with gun
>>540915461Indeed, but block knife mitigates one of his biggest weakness, which is damage vs terminus. Fusil and BSR are terrible against Carnifex, Hellbrutes, and Vortex Beast, which is why I pick the block knife. Block style will also make short work of chaos spawn, the worst enemy to fight using sniper.
>>540915535this was just before, bulwark is such a monster. been playing vanguard so going to this is crazy
>Hey, hope you enjoy a fleet of 6 biovores before you have to fight 6 terminators>hope you enjoy watching one of your teammates bar your progression forward while he waits for you to pick up a medicare like 30 seconds away
Are they going to optimize this game? It takes FOREVER to load on an nvme too.
>>540914629Personally>BSR>Inferno>FencingBut Inferno doesn't fit my Sniper's chapter so I gotta go with HBP sadly.
>>540898219Literally me.I prefer the chainsword over the power sword, hammer, and fist. It's just the best when it comes to feel and aesthetics. It's also not as mashy.Inferno pistol gives you a 20% melee damage boost. It's also a great opening for melee combos. I use block, so I don't really rely on gunstrikes that much, so the shitty gunstrike range doesn't bother me.
>>540916137>wading through the hordes, rip + tearing your way as an indestructible steel monsterKino as fuck, love me some bulwark
>Killing a sorcerer stuns all rubrics for a few seconds>Killing a majoris or higher demoralizes tzaangors and cultists, causing them to not attack for a few secondsI fixed chaos as a faction.
I did it brothers, I sprinted or rolled into 750 cultists, killing them with my huge power armored body
>>540917140>>Killing a majoris or higher demoralizes tzaangors and cultistsExplodes into heatseeking missiles? Gotcha!
>>540911115
>green plasma>20k damagewut
>>540917449
Stop fighting the tyranidsGet to the elevator and then into the chapelStop fucking wasting time for more extremis spawns to trigger
>>540917759kys rushing nigger
>>540914291My bad, I never played the table top so my experience of termies was the short range tele from the Dawn of War games.>>540910968Yeah I was hoping the short range teles would be a limited way to get away from unlockables once you can no longer tank but as the other anon pointed out it seems TT/lore breaking. A semi-bulwark solution sounds better in this scenario, and the downside to the class/team would have to be the termie is just slow af and the battle can move away from them if the team mates pursue enemies too far.
Reading through the wiki it seems like a power fist might complement a bulwark more than a power sword (which ive been using) due to the damage and aoe potential. Anyone have any suggestions? I've been using a power sword Parry build, would a block/Parry Pfist be a better choice? What would my fellow anons like to see from a bulwark squadmate?
>>540914291so the pocket teleporters from the dawn of war games are fake?
>>540918305Powerfist is the best melee option bar none
>>540915461then why does he have a permanent +45% melee damage buff from perks?
I almost got carried through Hard Weekly by a sniper with a las fusil, but the extremis spam finally killed everyone on the last altar
>>540918478Because melee is just that much worse than pressing M1 with a carbine.
>>540910086>moving slowerEnemy terminators already sprint faster than you do.
>>540883308>At least in Havoc 30+ in DT the enemy density is legit insaneYeah it's insane that that's the only way to get VT2 density and make the game not a complete snoozefest considering they nerfed hordes for console release and PC was forced to have the nerfed hordes because xD crossplay that can't be turned off.
I LIKE YOUR STYLE
>>540921541Daaaaamning praise
>>540919169t. Not being able to get double block stack consistently
>>540921541This nigga literally never shuts the fuck up.
>>540921618I tried practising it but i just end up standing in a gaunt horde for 20s with all of them refusing to attack me, sometimes i get a warrior decide to finally do a red attack.
>>540921702I don't know if I'd even hate him if they didn't give him that stupid fucking accent.Him and saarkaana have the most out of place voices, they remind me of the weird inquisitor from dawn of war.
>>540921702None of the characters do.
>>540922125Heavy is pretty quiet compared to the others.
>>540922221He's just autistic
>>540922221Straban’s entire deal is that he’s incredibly autistic, and doesn’t talk more than necessary. He still has tons of lines, but they’re just shorter than the others.
>>540922493>everyone gives an inspiring motivational speech when you're capturing the first altar in Vox Liberatis>Straban just says what effectively translates to "this place is bad, stand near it and it'll go away"
>>540923005Brother Straban is merely upset that he has been taken away from his model train collection.
>>540921959The inquisitor makes a bit more sense, but it's strange when you've got an army of vaguely British accented Cadians and then some middle eastern officer. I suppose there would be several accents in each world of the Imperium, but to maintain unit cohesion in the real world you try to recruit from the same vague area. Plenty of problems in forming cohesion when with recruits from different cities and I don't know how much human psychology would change in 39,000 years. The Ultramarine characters look like they are from all over the place too, but it makes a bit more sense given their ages, indoctrination and disparate origins. That being said they should at least sound very similar since several decades should be enough to develop similar accents.
>>540921796Welcome to the primordial truth, all the enemies are fake and only react when you do something. You will have to try whacking a gaunt or shooting something to get them to claw at you.
>>540923510>when you've got an army of vaguely British accented Cadians and then some middle eastern officer.Erm anon I dunno how to tell you this but...
>>540923638
>prestiged tac for the first time>try to run an inferno to get a few levels>crashed 3 times in a row at the midway point or later
>>540921959>hating DEH-SI-MUS's accentBrother, this makes you a fucking fag. I love how blood thorsty he is. He makes it easy to cosplay Mortifactors.
>>540923717Tell me what anon?
>>540924057darktide has a character that speaks pidgin too. i dont know why they push it
>>540924254variety maybe, i dont really mind it and its better than british guy, british guy and british guy.
>>540924254Because in a setting where you can be born on a jungle planet and saw aliens in half with a chainsaw, you need a Queequeg ass nigga to speak like a savage while he rips and tears.
>>540924673Exactly. I've been binging Gaunts Ghosts and I like the variety of accents for the different regiments. The Fantine Skyborne even have what I think are supposed to be American accents. Toby Longworth is the best narrator out of all the audiobooks I've read, and I always try to mimic his voice in my head whenever I read.
>>540921796Idk, practice on a majoris then
Cool. Also wish you could remove the dark boarder when you ADS/ are at low hp.
Hard Strategem by Difficulty>1. Vox Liberatis: Terminator Squads>2. Inferno: Blind>3. Obelisk: Just no Bulwarks or Heavies but just on principle of fighting Chaos>4. Exfiltration: Mostly because of the Trygon getting hungry for guardsmen>5. Decapitation
>>540924057>unga bunga muhfugga gibsmedats da empra niggaNah.Shit accent.
>>540924673>i dont really mind it and its better than british guy, british guy and british guyWhere was your kind begging for diversity hire voice actors in the 2000's? Nobody had an issue with cadians sounding like cadians, orks sounding like orks and space marines sounding like space marines back then, people liked it that way.
Would you rather have a vanguard, assault or bulwark running melee duty on your squad
>>540928154bulwark and it's not even close.
>>540928154Bulwark can just holding down the shield button and placing heal banner when needed is more useful than an assault
>mfw Greatsword isn't coming until year 3
Should I be taking melee mastery on Vanguard with power axe? I'm not sure if the power wave counts as melee.
>>540928829>want to cut through hordes of enemies with a giant chainsword>chainsword in space marine 2 harmlessly bats off of a warrior 15 times like a pool noodle without adrenaline surge>power fist punches the air and a chaos spawn 100 feet away instantly explodesThe combat balancing in this game is such shit man.
>>540918305I mean block powerfist is currently the best melee weapon in the game, far outpacing everything else, so comparing it to other melee weapons is a bit pointless, as it's just objectively a far superior option.I do prefer powersword for general use though, as it's nice and swift with great damage output on heavies/whirl.
>>540927820>>unga bunga muhfugga gibsmedats da empra nigga THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IT'S GOOD! You need a blood bath, or a blood shower.
>>540928147you misunderstand me. what i mean was (using your example) if orks also sounded like space marines, cadians, eldar, whatever, instead of their cockney accent. e.g. british guy, british guy, british guy, then that would be pretty bland
>>540929362Eh, balanced relic/heroic cs have decent dps actually with shoulderbashes, similar to that of block, give gunstrikes as well. The worst part is getting used to balanced parry window, especially on bulwark, but it's not the end of the world.The weird part is powerfist being a range weapon. Like why is the weapon's core design to shoot cones of damage 10m away I don't understand. Like I get the charge weapon bit, right, but it should delete a guy in front of you with hyperarmor, not cleave like it has a beam attached to it.
>>540929681its odd, but i get what theyre going for. charge weapons having AOEs attached to them to give them a "profile". power sword with the rake and whirl, thammer with the booms booms, and pfist with the cone. its just been overtuned
>>540929784See, I understand what you're saying, but why is the cone so fucking long. Like I get if it's like a cone cleave for enemies in melee range of pfist so it can actually horde clear, but the current range is fucking stupid. I use pfist in hard stratagems as a gun that can clear bosses, not really as a melee weapon.
>>540930023yeah id prefer the cone be wide rather than long and narrow. it can snipe everything from behind a wall or whatever unfortunate heretic is 20m in front of you
>>540929452That's exactly why it's bad. He sounds retarded.Berzerkers in old games managed to sound bloodthirsty without sounding so stupid and out of place like decimus.
>>540918356yes, who do you think they are, gay elves?
>>540930149He doesn't sound out of place, he sounds like he was recruited from a Feral Jungle world. If anyone sounds stupid, it's Vespasius. Dude sounds like a Space Marine caricature. Decimus is a real one.
>>540930345elves are gay eleves.
>>540930802>He doesn't sound out of placeHe does.>Vespasius>Dude sounds like a Space Marine caricatureHe sounds like a low energy space marine. So the closest one to sounding like a proper space marine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WEFlQva30The SM2 marines are all bland or stupid, except straban, who is funny just because of how autistic he is.
I like to imagine Salamanders having a very thick Jamaican accent. Blood Angels are Romanian. Alpha Legion are French
>Clearly can't handle all these new modes>Can't handle the difficulty settings>Can't even handle their own leveling system>Now have a community segregated by vanilla/prestige levels, weapon levels, difficulty settings and three modes with one of those modes having EIGHT different search queues for daily/weekly content >Its all an unbalanced mess>This is ALL self inflicted >Doubling down on these mistakes even harder than before A sane developer would have crunched the difficulties into easy, medium and hard scaling ONLY with enemy spawn type. They then would have re-designed Chaos so they melee when in melee range and just released more operations. The only other content to add beyond this point would be opening up cosmetics and adding new weapons for all classes. Thats all people fucking wanted. Cosmetics, operations and weapons it was SO FUCKING SIMPLE. There is another major coop game where the devs have just posted that they fucked up their recent release, and are doing an entire rework to fix it. Meanwhile in Saberland they've doubled down on Heroics being dogshit side grades (which they can't even achieve, because not ONE of them is a side grade). Its fucking maddening. The only fucking redeeming factor in all this shit better fucking be multiple same class selection is coming, because otherwise the tech marine launch will be a fucking disaster, and the current gameplay is stale as shit. We've also reached the point of imbalance that its a fucking joke to pretend this game is anything but a power fantasy simulator AS IT FUCKING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DAY 1 ANYWAY.
>>540932074Salamanders just look black. I always imagined they're more like rough coal miner brits.
>>540932136sensible chuckle
>>540932136idk, the game is fine for me. Your suggestion sounds like shit
>>540932359Saber could delete half the classes and you would bend over and say its great because you've never once thought about anything shut up you troglodyte.
>>540932136unfortunate that this is the direction every game goes when they have a solid foundation. idk what it is with these games, helldivers, darktide, sm2, vermintide, DRG, etc.
>>540932074>>540932271Justin Trudeau is a Salamander irl
>>540932517>Kind to everyone>Wants to help>Hopeless retardsHonestly Canada = Salamanders makes sense
>>540932557Even the war crimes part is accurate
>>540932557>kind to everyone>wants to help>commits warcrimes
>>540932759lol hindmive
>>540932136Yeah, 6 difficulty modes for operations, 2 modes for siege and 2 modes for strats is an absolutely retarded amount of modes.
>>540932136It's baffling how bad they made some of the weapons while thinking the special effect was worth it.Even if the melee weapons were straight upgrades in every way over their closest equivalent they'd still be questionable because they're all fucking balance.
>>540933257>dodge three times to barely get more damage than 2 blocks >spam heavy attacks and you deal the same damage as block >spam power rake and you do less than a fist charge attack Its crazy
>>540932426i wouldn't be okay with it but idk what makes you come up with such hypothical
>>540933553huh? i thought each dodge is 120% bonus adding up to 360% with 3 stacks. 2 block is only 90%
>>540933257I mean the power sword is a straight upgrade, having the same damage output as block ps, but with also having a defensive option for parry/gunstrike. Yeah it's balanced, but it's not as big of an issue as some people say. The timing is not that bad.The knife is a straight upgrade to the non-block knives.Chainsword is still too slow.
>>540933257the problem is you all retards think the weapons are supposed to be usable in absolute. That is not the case. You were never supposed to buy them. They are a pay-to-win shortcut for low level players so that they don't have to grind weapon xp with shitty weapons on lower threat levels.
>>540933887Wrong on both counts.
>>540933887The power sword is too slow.
>>540933936 but they are usable even for the hardest stratagem? You can use anything for absolute really.
>>540933990yes, thank you for your contribution. You can use anything for anything really, noone is stopping you. However, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
>>540933943You can look at the spreadsheet, bro, the stats are there. And just because you can't time balance window does not make it unusable.>>540933950Rake/Whirl are unaffected by attack speed and it's a heavy spam weapon.
>>540934137Yeah the math is clear, they're downgrades.
>>540934082Bro is trying to convince me that heroic isn't viable on the hardest stratagem. With your standard, only block fist should be used to clear absolute lmao
>>540933936Anon, you are not as smart as you think you are.
>>540933887>I mean the power sword is a straight upgradeHaving to spam one attack is not an upgrade>The knife is a straight upgrade to the non-block knives.No it absolutely fucking isn't. You have to land 3 dodges to get the same damage as 2 blocks. You also don't get any armor back for pulling that gimmick off. Its also far more challenging to land 3 perfect dodges than it is to land blocks.
>Pick any heroic melee weapon>forced to use balance>forced to ignore 90% of its moves because all they do is buff 1 type of attack Saber apologists think this is a brilliant idea: Hammer pommel bash now deals 200% more damage, all heavy attacks are now pommel bash.
>>5409342892 block is 90% damage boost and a single dodge is 120% boost?
>>540934289Block powerfist has no problem using one attack and it is the best weapon in the game by far
>>540934976>spamming 1 attack>not using the rest of its set >confusing fun and meta Retard
>>540934976NTA but I think the difference is the power fist's design is inherently satisfying. Sitting there and charging a small scale kamehameha activates dopamine receptors in a way that spamming power rake really doesn't.
>>540934848120% of what anon
Balanced is good
>>540935097All attacks. The "light" stipulation on the knife is a typo, it works on everything.
>>540935097Of your next attack?
>>540935140>>540935160Fucking retards the lot of you
>>540935079Idk, throwing energy slash with rake seem cool to me
>>540935126>Remove block>Remove fencing>Balance now starts its iframes the moment you hit parry>Block is now what happens when you hold down parry and reduces ranged damage, building stacks that explode when you attack >Everyone is happy
>>540935226You're not making any sense.>90%vs>120%It's that shrimple. There's no other magic factor at play here. Dodge once and get a +30% larger boost over block. Dodge twice and get a +150% boost, dodge three times and get a +270% larger boost over block.
>>540935332Boring
>>540935386>Still doesn't get it Jesus fucking Christ you're stupid as shit. Go look at their stat pages you absolute moron.
>>540935386Block weapons deal higher base damage than Balance weapons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyftkTf4BJcHere is the actual difference, its about 10% more damage in this situation.
I hate balanced so much. I can imagine how it went down>priviet ivans, today we discuss how to make the parry system interesting>*sips the tenth votka for the day*>what if *lights 30th cigarette* we added…>bears break in, drag away two developers and eat them >what if we *hic* added parry frames at the end of the animation, in complete contradiction to every gaming sensibility>silence falls over the room>the only thing you can hear is the geiger counter in the corner and the howl of the -30 degree wind outside>DA, ivan! Promoted, get extra vodka bottlentoday>dymka, do not forget to design enemies that will always throw the players off the timing>DA, comrade supreme developer! Also added a modifier to make the timing even worse!>the people’s party is proud of you. Now, we drink!!!
>>540935694Then this is a bug with the weapon, because 14 + 360% (50.4) should not be doing barely a little bit more than 16 + 90% (27).
>>540935820That isn't the equation and no its working exactly as intended.
>>540935438No, basic math and how the weapons should work should mean the Heroic knife does nearly double the damage at max charge.
>>540935851>This isn't the equationThen what is? On what level of fuckery is 360% "more damage" not massively bigger than 90%?
>>540935894>hurr durrrr the game says 14 so its 14 damage hurrrrrrrr
Sandstorm + heavy flamering me while I fight the rav. I can't SEE.
>>540935820Maybe there is a damage cap on the hit. I would need to see on 1 and 2 dodge proc in comparison
>>540935979It's the analogue for the damage, I know it literally doesn't do 14 damage, otherwise it'd take 20 hits to kill a Lictor.
>>540935965Google it. Saber is not using simple calculations. There are other factors that change how scaling works which is one of many reason the game can't be balanced well because its not >>540936045A single hit cannot do more than '600' damage, the only situation you can deal more is auspex because it reduces defense stats.
>>540936101Isn't that the case here then? The dodge knife hit the cap?
>>540935965>On what level of fuckeryThis is EXACTLY what is wrong with SM2. It isn't simple. Guns for example have headshot and body shot damage as well as firepower stats which then have to go through armor and difficulty equations. Its a fucking mess and its no wonder that the game is unbalanced.
>>540935787Well I don't mind it too much. Having to predict the timing of an attack and preparing ahead of time (with the correct timing) is something different but workable, and then if you fail (by being too slow) you can still avoid damage. The problem is simply that there is not enough of an offensive advantage to justify its defensive weakness compared to Fencing.
>>540936180The only situation I've seen the damage cap hit is sniper stacking all his melee buffs with block, its why he used the auspex scan it gets around that cap
Why are the devs handling damage values like this is ARMA? Why not keep it simple.>Enemy have health>Enemy have resistance to X>Weapon deal X>Weapon deal less X in relation to enemy resistanceThat's as complicated as this shit should get.
>>540935389Block/balance/fencing is not interesting.It is boring.Your only real options are balance but good or ignoring some of the most important melee mechanics in the game to do more damage with basic hits.
>>540936447Playstyle with current fencing/balance and block are completely different. Your suggestion is getting rid of the difference and blend it up in a boring style. No thanks
>>540935787>also add blue markers that trigger in the parry window for some attacks and completely outside of the parry window for other attacks>and add some attacks that are just as strong as blue marker attacks but with no marker to make the system 100% useless and arbitrary
>>540936548I have made no suggestion.
>Hard Strat with randos>Get to the second chaos altar>clear area and start capturing>10 seconds in 4 soulreaper termies spawn>all instantly do their missile bursts, 3 of which target me>attempt to rollslop my way out of them>last missile of the first burst nicks me in the leg, stunning me>raped by the other 2 missile burstsIs the heroic HPI worth this mental torture?
>>540936667If the devs want to add delayed attacks, they should still get a marker but just with a different color.>Blue is for attacks about to hit you>Red is for unblockables>Yellow is for attacks that are about to come in the next 3+ seconds with no consistency beyond the yellow marker
>>540937137>Is the heroic HPI worth this mental torture?Oh you adorable fool, you should have had it already for this mission. It walked me right through this bullshit challenge.
>>540897593It's just game progression to swap to full block at some point.
>>540897593>Also, the tighter frame on parry means that balance weapons straight up get frame trapped (you can't parry some sequenced combo at all). You have to bring block or fencing.This is the big one that truly makes balanced feel like shit. It doesn't matter if fencing deals less damage, it keeps you alive with minimal effort. If you can't use block, it's the best option. Balanced on the other hand baits you in with good allrounder stats but then flubs the moment two extremis enemies fight over your dick.
>>540936420nope, you're going to get additive and multiplicative bonuses but no indication of which is which
>>540905282Got plasma pistol on every class who can. Does ability recharge work if i graze head with it? Or is it basically only gunstrike kills for me?
>>540937721Block doesn't really accomplish much more than constantly getting gunstrikes from parries.It just makes the game more difficult to achieve the same result more than anything.
>>540937912Gunstrike kill doesn't count as headshot. You need at least one bolt weapon
>other missions solo>aw geez, better limit the number of objectives so you don't feel like you're doing a stupid amount of work>>>>vortex
Imagine actually rushing to objective instead of playing the game. lol, what a fags
>>540937721Full block is better for pure melee but balance/fencing is better to compliment a balanced playstyle depend on weapon perks/class perks. For example, for the bolt carbine, it's nicer to be able to just parry+gun strike to fully reload your gun via gun perk and go brr at the enemy as they get staggered.
>>540936382>>540936180Both the block knife and Power Gladius hit the cap.One guy in the comments claims that the PG hits it with even just one dodge stack.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJk7cXGTH4
>>540938179Balance cucks me when i get shit connection. Windup time is a bitch when you get 100+ ping and sometimes makes fun of you. Block on the other hand is instant so better if mastered. And fencing is meme without damage. I can see the only way to play it is power axe and some power backstep, gunstrike, shield rush/vanguard ability shenanigans.
>>540938112I'm just not fighting the five terminators at once when each of my teammates goes down to a single chaos spawn man
>>540938337I mean yea, if you have shit connection or the modifier is harder parry window, then balance is rough. However, outside of that balance has its place with solid damage while allowing specific parry perks and gunstrike perk to shine.
>>540938250I wanna say this would be incredibly good with Sniper's stealth auto-pop on dodge, but the problem is the cooldown is ridiculous. It should be like 10 seconds for cloak on dodge, not 30. It might actually have a cute and functional gimmick build over PoE if it were shorter.
>>540938445Honestly, it is better to build stacks then manually activate cloak for the extra sauce from the cloak damage perk bonus. Equipment recharge is so good that it is not worth giving invis on dodge for. You can easily recharge the cloak with a few headshot instantly anyway
When there will be max ping setting for MM..
>>540938532For bosses, sure. But in an idealized world stealth on dodge has a much shorter cooldown, the 150 + 120 boost Shadow Stab even under the retarded dev math would allow you to just nuke an Extremis instantly.
>Bulwark gunning down a staggered zone without full hpCan I just get some good aussie teammates?
I literally can't do the hard weekly my brothers keep on dying
>>540939608I'd help, but the game is about to enter maintenance mode literally within the next hour.
>>540939645don't worry about i'll get it complete eventually. i probably just have to turn off crossplay.
A battle-barge is here Brothers. Hurry!>>540939982>>540939982>>540939982
Elden Ring has better combat than Space Marine 2
I can't beat the new weekly stratagem even on normal.
>>540917748heh, nice spawn AI "director"
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