The most powerful hero in the game edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-04-2025-update.80693/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>540669658
47W2F47W2F47W2F4 more for inhouse
who put a stick up that kelvin's ass
Innie house:47W2F
>>540746627the inhouse chat was funny
found out that express shot on abrams is the instakill solution
Only the finest of plays in DLG inhouses
>>540746905yeah I saw that and it was first time I've seen express shot built by anyone. Might try it.
>>540746873pic unrelated, right? are we stuck in 2003 or something?
RAW, SKIN ON SKIN, FACE TO FACE, LIGHTS ON, HOLDING HANDS, GAZING INTO EACH OTHERS EYES DURING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH THE DOORMAN
gg. Abrams kind of turned the game around. Me and the Seven just weren't on the same page during laning phase so I got mad at him. Also everyone was talking about TA assassin in the threads but the guy was legit fucking shit no idea what people are talking about. The only decent player on their team was the Mina and they were just hard carried by how fucking broken she is right now.
>>540746627Anyone got this art without the black bars?Also what's with dumbasses online acting like Vindicta is easy and saying she doesn't require better aim than most other characters?Like, are people trying to gaslight me or is it just people being salty retards?
>>540747301that would be a bad thing?
>>540747365he's hiding his power level playing a meme, also usually he is against really uncoordinated teams so his memebop strat works.
>>540747250>the most retarded bebop hook in history>the guy with the invincibility dome whining about Minafuck me, you are not sending your best are you?
>>540747432They're trying to gaslight you. Before the nerfs Vindicta was actually a hero you could be retarded on because you could make her stake so big it covered entire lanes and had like a 3 second duration. So then you got echo shard and your entire character was just being GoodDynamo.Now though she actually requires some thought to play.
>2 bebops on the same teamplease one of you swap, this isn't fair
>>540747365see >>540746846Get that stick out of your ass you play top tier
>>540747342Why are you gay?
>nearly kill the ultrafed abrams>doorman pulls up and ults him at last second to try and kill steal>whiffs his cart>abrams ults and get awaythanks man, now we both look retarded and i didn't get MUH STACK
>>540747575inhouses are the perfect place to do dumb bullshit and try new builds
>>540747432she use to be really broken and her 4 was an awp. Now she takes skill and is hotgarbage to boot.
>>540747250zased
>>540747617??? I wasn't the Kelvin I was the Yamato. She's good right now yeah but I wouldn't consider her broken.
>>540747690>plays main
this game is 100% predetermined by matchmaking. If you get put in a shit lane you lose. If you get put on unbalanced teams you lose. There's no "comeback" because the game decides if you're going to win or lose from the moment the lobby is setup
>>540747432She's one of the highest skill floor heroes, but has a lot of potential, same with Mina. It's why retards cry about them, they aren't good enough to play them so they just whine for nerfs.
>>540748051When her 4 was an awp she was retarded strong, honestly I wish I enjoyed her kit she seems like a fun playstyle.
>47W2Fget the fuck in
1 MORE for the inhouse47W2F
>>540747365Most of the half decent players pick stuff they don't play that much or do massive meme builds, don't give yourself too many props lil ritualist.
>>540747432Vindicta is shit. Kit nerfed to shit, endless cooldowns, hardest skillshot that only really damages people already dying, gun doesn't hit hard enough to be slow nor fast enough to make a good gun build.The problem with Deadlock is that all the people who make videos for it, aka where most people get their builds from, title their stupid videos like THIS HERO IS BROKEN!!!!!! and thus retards end up believing X hero is overpowered (cause they are shit and get stomped by anything)
Everyone ready up for the inhouse, it's full.
>>540747668he's not, he's an attention whore trying to be obnoxious
>>540748202Her 4 is still pretty strong if you're in the position to pick up the second extra charge item early on. The cycle time is what really kills it, but with that item you can dump two shots in quick succession. It's also pretty good for taking objectives since the bonus damage % health threshold works for them as well.
>>540747585>>540747693>>540748051Thanks, I appreciate you clearing things up, and the art too
>>540739240 >tfw you'll never feel paradox's gloved hands put a time pulse cockring on you that slows down the upwards flow of cum so you feel that intense pressure of gallons of sperm swelling up your shaft from the inside with one glacial edge after the next until it all comes gushing out in a loud kinetic carbine seconds after she's left
>>540748296give me a minute i'm logging it in the bathroom
>>540748530fuuuuck
just reported a guy for telling me to quit deadlock i hope he gets banned
>>540748812valve is very hands off with moderationI've been calling people niggers and nothing happened
>>540748504The cycle time between shots shouldn't exist. Like yeah there should be a ~1 second delay but the timing with RR is just absurd and feels bad. The fact that you actually have to buy an item to make the hero not feel like shit is just wrong IMO.
>>540748296give match id i just missed joining
>Getting chased through our own jungle for over two minutes straight by a single enemy hero who I can't manfight>Ping a million times begging for help>Haze and Grey Talon in adjacent lanes just stand AFK near the creep wave instead of helping
>>540748812just commended a guy telling some noskill autist to quit deadlock, I hope he plays this game forever
Is this an okay victor build?
Who do you have your money on? Guy or Man?
>>540747250Fun fact: Bebop has a line for hooking Abrams, Seven, and Haze mid-ultimate. Only the Abrams one is positive.>This could be a mistake.https://files.catbox.moe/b6w78w.mp3
>>540747250This was also funny, but only I and Seven got to see it.
The black wοman of Valve unοriginality.These are TWΟ different characters.
>>540747301I've noticed that people who participate in /vg/ stuff always tend to be completely autistic retards who clearly have no friends and think it's fucking hilarious to just spam edgy shit or randomly say nigger over voice chat
>>540747434for the developed world, no.
>love playing support Paige>teammates ignores defence entirely>I have to do it>I'm no longer supporting them>I cannot contest anything just clear adds…
>shoot out a projecting
>>540749716Needs more gun, specifically after leech and compress cooldown because you hit 9.6k in spirit and vit thereAlso I checked a couple of those build sites and all the top builds are gun heavy so there is that
why is bro buying refresher you guys already won
>have the perfect 10/10 match win in 23m>hard lose the next 4
>>540747434>>540750869>still operating with a 15 year old mentalityThis is why you are a friendless virgin
>>540751545>loses are hour long>wins are 20minutes
I...I think Seven is boring.... he's milquetoast, soft...predictable. Fighting him is dull, playing him is apathetic. Warden just does it better....
>>540752075But his gun is pure SEXO?
2 people in the inhouse need to choose a team and ready
>>540752130warden's is bigger
>>540752154well now we need two people
>>54075215447W2F47W2F47W2Finhouse^
>>540752303we can just do solo lane
>>540751585you do not fit in
>>540752365God, I'd hope. Who would want to fit in with you?
>shuffling teams until all the high MMR dudes are in one team
>>540750527>faceblind autist taking haze's black skin at face value keeps posting it even though people keep pointing up he's a face blind autistshiggy
How come we don't have a proper name yet like dotards and lolbabs? Deadtards just doesn't have a ring to it.
>trying to jungle to make up for bad start>drifter with soul advantage ganks methe entire fucking deadlock experience right theredropping this dogshit game
>>540752454yet you're here, trying
>leaver on the enemy teamGreat startThink ill play something else today
im in da inhouse but no ones ready and its already full
>>540752429Is this from the leaked VN?
Any leaks
>>540753421theyre prolly already in a game
You do play better than a girl, right?
Remember when invites for this game were rare and multiple homos here shoved things up their ass or pissed themselves on camera for an invite?That's the people you are playing with, in in-houses.
gimme 3 characters that have absolutely cancerous early game and dont hard fall off late game
>>540754923Eskay isn't a woman
>>540755276Geist and Gray Talon are the prime examples I reckon.
>>540754923>than a girl>posts someone with a cock and ballsbuh?
>>540755276yamato
>>540755371>>540755728Wait wait wait... that means you play worse than a tranny? AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>540753429yes
READY UP
>>540755894>let's make everyone a fat bitchThese DEI hires are out of control, Valve
SWAP OFF VICTOR YOU RETARDS WE CANT PICK BECAUSE YOU SELECTED TWO VICTORS
>>540755894Geist in the game is fine but holy god the VN Geist is pure sexo. She's so fucking thicc.
>>540753076yup called it, leaver on my team nextI fucking hate the weekends
Drakken change to a different hero
>>540755870trannies are good at games.
>>540752757Deadbeatspic related
i only play victor am i fucked
drakkenlordz ready up nigga
>>540756021silence, pedo
God I love punch viscous.
how the fuck are people still picking duped heroes
>>540756030They should make her thicker, buff her tits and give her VN hair.
>>540756179>defends that shit by posting a completely different piece by a different artistLow IQ
>>540755870wait are you an unironic trannyEWWWWWW
YES!I LOVE WHEN MATCH METADATA DOESNT LOAD PROPERLY AND I HAVE TO WAIT 20 MINS TO REPORT MY NIGGER TEAM! YES!
>>540756285>look for french milfs on the hub cause of geist-chan>Nini Divinethank me later
>>540756345Check out this retard that was too stupid to follow a 3 part conversation
>>540756345no just an ironic tranny
>>540755894>canonical oathkeeper handjob death in lore
>>540749746Mann, obviously
Is Bebop as braindead and bullshit as he looks?
What's the definitive Viscous build?
>>540752716Who are you quoting?
>>540757947all in on ult
>>540758092Not since it was nerfed 53 times
I fucking love Lash. Can you guys post Lash images so I can build my folder. This dude literally is too much fun not to play.
Should Doorman be dealing a lot of damage?I feel like if I'm behind the rest of the team in souls I shouldn't be second in damage, second only to the dude who doubled everyone's damage
Sex with Mina
>>540758631
>>540758631I don't even play Lash and the moment I tested him out I said "Holy shit, I would not be surprised if they built the entire game around this dude".
>>540758631not technically a Lash image but I need an excuse to post this
Mina is so blatantly overtuned, it's awful.
>>540759295While looking for that image, I also found this image that I've made shortly after Holliday was released to Hero Labs.
>>540759402>Mina is so blatantly overtuned, it's awful.It's better for the health of the game for now.
THROWING GRENADE
47W2F47W2F47W2F47W2F3 more for inhouse
>>540751585ywnbaw, and I've had more sex than you.
Get off of Yamato you fucking idiots
>>540759908does doll have puss puss?
>>540759815
>>540759969Yeah sure
>>540760019
>>540759815I don't get it.
>>540760337she instagibs (You)
>>540757947throw goo
>>540760337lash is american so he doesn't have a foreskin
>>540757947the one that lets you get solo kills.
>>540748007there ARE comeback mechanics, but most of my teammates are retards like you who throw in the towel after a lane loss and start running it down on respawn because they would rather lose in 20 minutes than win in 40.
>>540760337The joke is JEWS LEL
NERF CULTIST NERF VEIL WALKERAHHHHHHHHHHH HOW MUCH DATA DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THESE ITEMS ARE OVER TUNED?!?
>>540760930remove the attack speed and ability range from cultist buff.change the heal into a barrier that scales on boons for veil walker.there, I fixed your game.
I'm convinced Seven has a hidden passive where you get paired with autopiloting morons if you pick him and you're legit expected to 1v6 the entire enemy team every game.
please for the love of God add a surrender button already, I am getting fucking tired of being held hostage to a 40 minute game with 2 or 3 teammates with over 10 deaths and who do fucking nothing other than dicking around in the map or focing uneven fights instead of pushing lanes or farming camps or even breaking fucking boxes
>>540761179Just leave, cuck
>>540761179>/ffhahahahaHAHAHAHAHAgo back to lol.next you're gonna cry for pause to be removed LMAO!
>>540761179You aren't in League bwo, abandon or spread your cheeks and play it out
>>540749746Guy Mann is the fake name I used to sign up for stuff.This feels like a personal self conflict.
>>540761179I hope they never add /ffAdditionally, abandoning X amount of games should result in you getting access to the game removed
league has a surrender button because of pc bang culture. you really don't want your game to have a pc bang playerbase
ff is for pussies, why are you even playing the game if you want to quit every time youre even slightly losing. the point is to play, learn how to play when youre down
>>540761743I prefer Monster
>>540761743whats pc bang? I don't play league. or any mobas really just deadlock
>>540761935>america: internet cafe>:|>korea: internet cafe (pc bang)>:0
>>540746627>laning against Lash and Holiday>Mina teammate will not respect the combo>*twip* You're coming with me!>she escapes at 100 hp>DING DING DINGvery rough start
>>540762056Yeah net cafes are really popular in america
genuinely how the fuck are you supposed to play this fucking game
>>540761179just spin in spawn retard
>>540762206they were pretty popular in the early 2000s, but they've definitely fallen off.I played a lot of CS, and tournaments, at different net cafes.
>>540762337use WASD to move your character.look around with your mouse.try to aim your crosshair at things you want to shoot, then click to fire.use your abilities.kill their base before they kill yours.
>>540762337>SOMEBODY STOP GLORP>THEY'VE CLAIMED THE SPA TICKETS
finally won once today.
If anyone in here genuinely thinks DOTA 3 will ever have a surrender button they are beyond delusional. The game has mechanics baked into it's identity that allow for comebacks. What is the point of those if your bitch ass team FF's as soon as they start to struggle.
>his ult is fucking FROGS
>>540761179Reminder that sometimes farming the soul orbs at your base is better than going out to farm
>>540762631if a lead is sufficiently far ahead then they can legitimately be unkillable and spawnkill you and hold the game hostage
>>540762631the youths these days don't want to struggle, they just want to steamroll and get steamrolled
>>540762737idk I had some retards doing this to me last night and we wiped them then walked down mid took shrines and double patron and won the game.we were down like 30k souls too.this shit happens all the time in eternus lobbies too, where a late game wipe just ends the game regardless of soul difference.
>>540762737to be fair like 50% of that can be blamed on urnurn is such a shit mechanic currently, it's meant to be more of a comeback tool but it's just a winmore button in practice
>>540762708elaborate
>>540762631>The game has mechanics baked into it's identity that allow for comebackssure doesn't feel like it
>>540763016He's just wrong, if there's no creeps to safely farm then you should be getting boxes
>>540762885>we were down like 30k souls tooi've seen, although not been in one myself yet, games with massive soul differentials of like 70k where i'm 100% positive that the winning team could entirely hold the game hostage if they wantedand i've been in at least one game where two of my teammates VOICE COMMED to me that they wanted to make the game go on for longer, just because we were absolutely destroying the enemy team as they were clearly lower rank than us, rather than finishing as fast as we knew we could
>>540763091Good nigga don't get yourself into the position to need one anyways
>>540763094troopers won't die when they get close to your base unless you interfere. they will end the game for you.
>>540763281>BUT UHHHHHH WE BACKDOOR'D THEM AND UHHHHHH THE TROOPERS ARE ACTUALLY STALEMATED MIDDLE
>>540762783listchecker + banlist status?
>>540762973Pity urn should dunk in the throne as long as the urn has been delivered once. That's just how it is.
>>540763094some people win so infrequently that they are trying to savor the few that they get.
>>540763094I have friends that are not assholes, generally speaking, but would make the choice to not attack the enemy nexus and nexus turrets in League just so they could prolong the game and keep beating an already beaten enemy. If the minions killed the nexus then so be it, but why shoot the nexus when you can just farm the other players while they're walking out of spawn (or even in the spawn, it possible)?MOBAs just turn people into bastards.
Hey retard stop shuffling the teams. Hit the button once and be done.
>>540764010he wants to ERP in voicechat, please understand
I'm surprised nobody ever tried to make fanart of seven before the face melting
Practicing vyper so ill be ready when the inevitable buffs put her in s teir
>>540764010people havent picked yet, and the goal is to not have x or y players together because then its a stomp
>>540762973If you're on the losing team I genuinely don't understand how you're supposed to claim urn without getting raped, at best you get to alleviate pressure from somewhere else on the map to hopefully damage a Walker, but this isn't reliable unless you're playing against complete morons.
>comeback mechanics>they can just rape you in your own jungle and urn spot for free???
>>540764210have ivy and grab it when they are going to grab it.
pick you are champion bruh
He Cute.
>>540764694Hook him and give him a free initiation
>>540759510autistic screeching Mina players are not good for the health of the gameperhaps they'd get a notion of just how bad they are at the game if they couldn't press 4 for a free tower/player kill
>>540765019>keep your lanes pushed out>mina cant do thatcrazy
>>540762674he doesn't have sex with them however
I just passed 200 hours on the game and am only Ritualist 1.What rank are you and what's your gametime?
>>540762674extremely based character
>>540755870the only thing trannies have going for them is spending way too much time online and playing too much vidyalike 3/4 of the speedrunning community is tranniesof course they're good at video games
>>540761179Maybe they haven't added one because bitchy players like you would start mashing it the moment the game gets hard.I can see it now:Mentally unstable nigger dies twice in lane, loses the first teamfight, and start mashing surrender. Then, when his teammates don't give up because they're not fucking faggots like he is, he starts throwing a weapons-grade temper tantrum that lasts until the end of the game.
Inhouse match ID?
>>540764205post the ID if you're going to ask for players
>>540765225200 hours seeker 1 BUT IN MY DEFENSEI played most of that before ranked was even a thingI remember when it was only open on certain days and closed after 8. I quit around the time they introduced it.Now that I've come back, I'm struggling to climb because like half my team is not human every game.get me out of this pisslow hellllllllll
>>540762615same now its time to log off
>6 games won in a row>get queued with a 1/15 Seven next match>still win>next game queued with another 3/11 Seven and a 0/14 Mina>barely won ithow much you wanna bet next game they are going to queue me with people who installed this game just last week?
>>540761179No. Every game is perfectly winnable through teamwork and communication, go play something else, lil bitch.
>>540765662Matchmaking is ass. If you win too much the game puts you in matches where your teammates are worse than AI bots.
i would have hot sweaty sex with lash tbqh
>>540766026all you have to do is convince THE LASH that bebop made you cum through sheer prostate stimulation
>>540765662Matchmaking being some GTA wanted level shit where you get paired with increasingly more retarded team mates as you win is so funny.
Does Doorman fall off late game? Ive been running gun or bell and deleting people lane and mid game, then my kills kinda stop afterwards. I really focus on maxing out doors and aiding my team mostly, I like using his doors more than killing
>>540766467Yes, it's the tradeoff for having the most oppressive ass cancer laning imaginable
>>540766467>Does doorman fall off late game?Yes
>>540765225rank doesnt matter, ive played archon games that we're easier than ritualist games games
>>540765662I've played 12 matches since installing on Thursday.I'm coming for your lobby, anon.
>Whoop this guy has a 50.0000000000000000001% win rate>My gyoshi, that's too high! Send five russians with 10% win rate first timing a hero while drunk onto his team IMMEDIATELY!!
>>540766528>>540766554I wasnt sure. Kinda works for me really. By the time I get my kit up and running for max doors it should be around the time where late game begins. I REALLY wish they would hotfix his glitchy door placement.
>>540766923Why does the game sometimes put me on a team with five Russians? I don't speak Russian.
>>540767235Because they lied on their resume that they're western european
>>540767235because Valve workers are jeets
47W2F47W2F1 more for inhouse
>>540764694Let's go Momo
get out of the cuck chair and play
Why is Holiday supposedo to be hard to play?
>>540767913She combines pretty much every skill in the game to be functional, good ability usage, good aim, good movement. It is exacerbated by her kit being jank as fuck though.
>>540767913because it takes like 2 or 3 games to learn how to aim her keg
>>540767913uhhhhh.... barrel... uhhh... barrel?
Playing these inhouses makes me realize what actual bad matchmaking looks like. Some of you are omega retarded.
>>540767913no braindead autoaimed abilities ie seven 2 warden 3 mo 4
>Only won 1 game today because someone on the enemy team abandoned
>Get a bunch of wins>Suddenly all my lanes are against really good players sometimes even straight up Eternus players>Meanwhile my laner is never above Emissary and they go past wave, eat a shit ton of damage and die or just sit on the backlines at one HP without ever buying sustainNo really very subtle guys. When the fuck did tailoring matchmaking in games to this extent even become a thing? I don't give a fuck about rank but stop handing me wins or feeding me losses based off my performance, it's miserable carrot on a stick faggotry.
>look up deadlocc 34>mostly gayshit getting past my filtersgay
>>540768178theres too many leavers today. im 3 for 3 on people abandoning the match today so im playing something else for the rest of Sunday
>>540768128barrel is more or less autoaimed if you have elevation over the target
>>540768286they keep making sexy men
+1 47W2F
>>540768465fair enough.
>It's another episode of my comp is mostly squishies against a multi tanktard compAwesome I love having to watch my jungle get stolen with my dick in my hand
READY UP>READY UPREADY UP>READY UPREADY UP>READY UPREADY UP>READY UPREADY UP>READY UP
>MY TEAM IS HOLDING ME BACK>MATCHMAKING SUCKS>FORCED 50nah, you're just bad.https://youtu.be/WnKQokO5WJsbe humble, lil' bitch, sit down.
>you guys are shit now watch this!>*posts made up scenario on custom maplol
>>540769068WAAAAAAAHHHH?! BRO SOLO FOUGHT 5 EASY AI BOTS AND WON?! AND HE DIDNT HAVE TEAMMATES FEEDING THEM EASY SOULS???!!!Nope, sorry I refuse to believe this. This is staged.
>>540769068Even Eternus players say this shit though?
>just be a top player who dedicates his every second to the gayme lmaolets be real for a second
>>540769387>eternushitters
>>540769278>>540769373>NOOO IT'S NOT REAL HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY TEAMMATES TAKING PRESSURE OFF HIM>SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP IT'S FAKE!
>>540769068>oh man the guy who knows how to play the game doesnt have to share souls like the other team (who are literal mental patients) so he can easily get 20K lead and kill themshocking
>>540762737There's no buybacks in this game so it's extremely easy to throw in the other team's spawn. I had a Lash on my team that ulted their entire team and threw them into our fountain and wiped them and we won.
>>540769761not even that, its a custom match with retarded parameters.
>>540768195I shit you not, going from one win where there was 1 or 2 denies every wave on lane phase to the next match where the enemy lane pretty much had aimbot on and denying every sinlge soul in your way felt not very subtle as you say
love hearing the hitmarker noise/soul blocking my bullet just for it to be denied/confirmed
does anyone have any good build codes for victor, or is he still a throw pick?
when will deadlock be blamed for muh violent people
>>540755870trannies are notoriously highly skilled at anything they try? there isnt any shame in that
I cannot imagine how mentally deficient you have to be to go 0/7 in lane as mcginnis
how many initiates were in that match
Nah, too many shitters in the inhouses. Stop playing inhouses and go play matchmaking. >>540771138I laned with him and it was the most 2v1 lane I've ever played. I just can't be getting matched up like that.
>inhouse matches are for doing meme shit!>inhouse matches are serious bzns!make up your mind already niggers
>>540771235Carry the lane then mr pro player
>>540771235i play matchmaking a lot, inhouses are the only place where i feel like i'm actually punished for playing like a retard desu
>>540771347literally two different people.
>>540771462then the dumb fuck faggot ass jew nigger spic that makes the inhouses should state that its either a fun time or a seriously match
>>540771347There's nothing serious or fun if lanes go 0/6, serene always hard feeds but he got a lane of 2 mouth breathers so he snowballs into having massive impact.There's quite literally no opportunity to play the game, it ended in 22 minutes, it's so snowbally that you do not have the damage or souls to stop anything the enemy team tries to do, you're rewarded so much for winning lane that even a bad player can carry a game if he gets fed and and rolls his face on the keyboard.
>>540771652it's multiple people and they are always white.
>>540771235I'd rather lane with an 0/7 mcginnis than a crybaby bitch boy like you tb desu
>>540759402mina would unironically be fine if they fixed how spirit burn interacted with objectives, shed still be around top 5 but the most broken/unfair part of her kit would disappearalso maybe add a bit more cd to 2
>>540771817I know what I said queerbait
>>540771235how does playing matchmaking make a difference?
Goo Goo Ga Ga niggaaaah.
>>540771138heh but usually I go 2/11, 1/8 in the inhousesI just popped off that lane against the miku
>Metro openly smurfing
>>540771930No it's the fact her ult/bites are fucking retarded.She gets to be the strongest laner in the game that's impossible to punish while also being the best pusher in the game that hard scales.Pick a fucking downside, faggot yoshi is obsessed with these heroes that do everything and excel at everything.
No inhouse recap endscreen?
>>540772103He literally has like 12 accounts
>>540772235the team with the most retarded feeders fed the other retarded feeders that are somehow better than those so it snowballs into an unwinnable game for team 1 because the game is horribly designedthere, that's 99% of deadlock matches
>>540761119>change the heal into a barrier that scales on boons for veil walker.Isn't that what it used to be like? When I was playing a year ago, veil was my go to item on Shiv due to how busted it was.
>>540772235I don't have any of the match IDs saved so probably not
>>540772251what the hell is his twitch follow audio saying?
>devs spent like the last year nerfing mirage over and over again because his tornado was too good of a dodge and his passive did too much damage in laning phase>release a hero with a better version of both his dodge and his passiveWhat did they mean by this?
>>540772407It used to immediately refresh all of your shields yeah
>>540772552Valve are hacks. More news at 11 months
>>540772552well you see, mirage regularly gets to 3500 health and mina usually gets to around 2000, not counting mirage stealing 600 hp a scarab from heroes
Emporer palapatine vyperCDR + attack speed, to maximize lighting. Not a srs build but fun>capacitor >burstfireThis is already cap so we go cdr next>Transcendent cooldown>enchantress emblemThen more attack speed >Kinetic dash>shadow weave>Heroic aura>qsr >Vampiric burst
>decide to branch out and try a different hero than usuals>team is feeding faster than bots>game ogre in 15 minutesfuck me i guess!
can we get a non ranked mode?i want to try out new heroes but even miniscule impact is too much of an impact for mealso, it feels shit that if i win 10 times with a new hero, then lose twice once they're no longer "low impact", i end up losing rank overall
>>540772552It's literally the same shit all over again but a lot worse because we're on a different map now
Enemy gamers are about to win>They use their pauses to hold us hostageCringe!
>>540773194You need to play on a new account when playing new heroes or heroes you are awful at.>>540773254Brother, this is the non ranked mode.
inhouse still going on?
>popular Shiv builds don't buy Radiant Regeneration or Torment Pulse>I can't carry on Shiv without themI think I might be right, and they're wrong.
>>540773412They're done for now it seems
>>540773427People hate on Torment because it doesnt fit into the lowest ttk possible mindset
Reminder that kelvin's beam used to slow you by 90% and DISARM
>>540773645and he's still one of the most cancer heroes in the game somehow
>>540773327this used to be reportable in the discord for an insta ban
>>540773427those are definitely valid items on shiv, for instance eido is learning the hero and using radiant regeneration on him, also I think torment might be hard to fit if you use cold front/spirit snatch, SoP is another contender, hes just got highly contested slots desu but you should use what youre comfortable with
>>540773741I actually dont mind him at all, but it might be because i play brawler characters and tend to like buying enduring speed/juggernaut
>>540773807I thought he was following a combo of lightbringer/rocker, neither of them use rr?and he cut tp because of all the other fotm items, like cultist, veil walker, and cold front, that he wanted to fit in instead.
>>540774008he tried a few ones out from what I could tell, also the together build
>Shiv is still good, you just need to buy decay, multiple armors, regen, mobility, something to deal with CC, a bunch of purple items, and burst fire
is it actually faster to use Shiv alt fire to extend your slide, or is it just cooler?
>>540774313>heroes are le good when you buy le items??!?? impossible!
>shoot hook>phases through enemy>shoot hook>grabs enemy after hitting the air 6 feet to their leftI look forward to the next patch where they "fix" bebop's hook again, making the problem significantly worse instead
I figured out how to fix Victor.>When killed, he resurrects with his aura enabled and cannot be toggled offIt fixes the problems with killing him feeling shit when he has ult and makes for an engaging period after his ult when he's hunting you down to take you down with him.It's just that simple
>>540746627>want to play Doorman>know hes a shit characterwhat do
>>540774359you need a bit of firerate and/or slide distance increase and also have to move and shoot in a somewhat specific way but it is noticeably faster>>540774430good heroes become le good by only buying a few key t3s or t4's, not an entire endgame kit.
wait, when Warden starts glowing during this chase, does that mean he's in execute range?https://youtu.be/GwltS82ZS-c?si=7rFNEHP_J43umpsD&t=791 13:11
>>540774650Doorman isn't shit at all, what are you smoking
>>540773789Death penalty
>>540774708Yeah
>>540774701shiv comes online as soon as you buy decay and cold front retard, hell even just cold front lets you be an obnoxious nigger in lane
>>540774708yup, shiv and vindicta have mystic eyesdon't get trolled by the very similar red highlight enemies get if someone on your team pings them though
>>540774650I suck with his cart (especially out of ult) and don't know how to reliably place doors nor what their range actually is (both the range from door to door and the range to be able to place them), so I often die from faffing about trying to place them to escape.However I find him fun and do well with him regardless. I build him to deliver big bell damage then focus on big gun/ armor items. Wondering if maybe I should ditch Spirit Burn in favor of more gun stuff idk
>>540774441I love getting hooked around walls
>skill arrow down hero>always put in high rank lobbies>skill arrow up hero>always put in low rank lobbiesdo the devs know their matchmaking system is working in reverse?
>>540775039Speaking of Doorman, an enemy managed to cart us through into their spawn when we were attacking patron. I forgot to look at the replay after (since it's not available immediately). Does anyone know where he placed it the door? Bigly info I need to know
>>540775103They have vibe coded the mmr system so no. That's not actually a full meme, some insider has hinted that valve uses AI at least partially to balance dota 2 patches
>in lane>dynamo ults me and kelvin who are less than half>his billy is meleeing creeps in front of the tower>kill dynamo>abandonsyou love to see it
>>540774769>>540774862fucking 700 hours and I never knew that.maybe I should've moved past the green thumb newb friendly heroes sooner.
>>540775074getting hooked around walls is only half as painful as hitting someone with your hook only for it to inexplicably either not connect or just break off immediately
>mute all when match starts>entire lobby is bullying a femoid mina into tearsyeah made the correct choice that lobby
>>540573835 have you done it yet?
>>540775497>spoilerone of the people working on deadlock has already posted about "how great AI is" for helping with the matchmaking system and showed a bit of his prompts. the shitty algorithm for deciding match balance is unironically straight from chatgpt. I don't have the screenshot but I'm sure someone else here does
I'm learning to play Drifter and I'm wondering what you're suppose to do against lane opponents who play ultra safe? Always pulled back to their half of the lane, buying monster rounds, etc. Feels like if I try to 2 them I'll take way too much damage from lane creeps and guardian.
>>540758961what are you 18? get a more disgusting fetish like fucking doors
>>540775586>muted>but know what's being talked about?
>>540775586how do you know thats happening when you've muted everyone
>>540775497AI is actually great at parsing aggregate information, if you run reports gameboard stats over gametime by determination, skill level, hero, you'll find good meaningful data that an AI can give you summaries on. >Mina ranks highest objective damage at 10-15 minutes by 4 standard deviations before the next character, and has a 80% higher winrate when she doeswould be an example of a bullet point an ai would make
>>540775795you almost understood what the dev said, good job
>>540775869i got a better idea
>>540776097I have no problem with that, but I'm saying it makes the decisions about what to do with that information
>>540773427I don't like torment pulse on shiv and I don't understand the vision at all unless you're trying to combo it with like mystic slow or supressor. Yeah it combos with radiant regen but you're gonna buy another 3200 item just to combo with that??
You can't quickcast Doorman's ult?
>>540775816If they are turtling that's good, just shove then get boxes or jungle. You can try to gank one when they go for the first sinners
>>540776149nothing of what I said was wrong and you are running defense for a dogshit matchmaking system for free online
>>540776353the point is that every pulse is another tick of rage
>>540776590yes, everything of what you said was wrong. hence look up again what the dev actually said.the algorithm is not "from chatgpt", it's from 1955. what chatgpt did was function as a search engine that found the dev this algorithm. that's literally all there is to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_algorithm
>>540776353I always combo it with Escalating exposure
>>540776854you really thought I meant that the AI gained sentience and came up with an entirely novel algorithm just for deadlock's matchmaking? no moron the AI chose an already existing algorithm that is a poor fit for a competitive video game. you really weren't able to intuit that from my post?
>>540777438>the shitty algorithm for deciding match balance is unironically straight from chatgptYes, that's quite literally what your statement implies.
>>540775554average grassmuncher punk playercurbstomp them all like their larp hero would if he wasnt a giant coward
>>540775554dynamos fault, why ult when creeps are backthere they're worht more than kills
Playing against doorman is so fucking unfunHow the fuck does he have a billion bells with zero cooldown, that each practically stun you and take half your health.Not to mention, tough luck ever killing him if youre playing a hero that needs to go close range.If you get even within a whiff of his general viscinity, be prepared to eat three carts and an ultimate if he feels *reaaally* threatened.It's basically impossible to kill him unless you have a ranged comp.Cool concept, terrible execution.Needs a massive rework. Like... make his doors work like paradox ult when if you get sent through them (not walk, carted or other knockback ability) you take damage, and get stunned but don't get stunned by cart to walls, it deals no damage and they add an option to remove that fucking bell sound every time you get hit. It rapes my ears and actually disorients you irl.I want to like doorman but right now he's just too fucking cringe.
>Finally get to play Mina for once>Three people on my team go 0/10+/10-
>>540775929I unmuted at the end genius.
What is the most reliable vanilla Drifter build to try him out a bit? Pub builds are minefields of dumb meme builds.
>>540777710this is only true if you think chatgpt is AGI. I thought it was basic knowledge that AI can't come up with anything on its own
>>540778362yes using LLMs to program definitely isn't a thing since they can't come up with anything
>>540778329gg that was me
>enemy team absolutely stomps us early + mid game>they decide to fuck around for a while occasionally hunting down our brainlet kelvin>we somehow get items>shitstomp them when they finally try to push our base>sanic down mid and wingood, fuck 'em. making me endure 45+ minutes of shit only to lose ultimately must hurt
yapbrams.
>>540778352can use burst fire instead of blood tributeshadow weave feels good on this toon so you might want to get it instead of hunter's aura if you're stomping(surge of power goes on your 1)
>team loses fight>sneak out the back as drifter>hover around mid waiting for people to clear mid then boss>instakill two of them as they come in one by one>chase the third down with my broturn a 5v2 into a 2v2 and saved the game, we got mid boss soon after that toodrifter is so good at map control you always have to be together with a buddy or the burst is too scary
>>540779838>toon
>play pocket>hit 4 on my keyboard>it's frogs
>>540780289they is just like me
>>540780289frogs are cool
How does one get better at balling with ViscousI am either an unstoppable stunlock machine or just bounce into a corner and can't get out for the entire teamfight
Im peaking at OracleIdgaf anymore
>>540776353torment pulse is overall way more dps and thus rage build then something like cold front if you're a character who hangs out in fights for a long ass time instead of bursting and fucking off aka if you're shiv> Yeah it combos with radiant regen but you're gonna buy another 3200 item just to combo with that??yeah? it does literally everything shiv could want in an item except slide speed
heroes that are cut and uncut?
>>540781043mo: uncutkrill: uncut and it stinks
>>540778329at least you tried to play a game>finally get Last after 4 games of putting him on highest priority>match never started because one on the enemy team disconnected
>>540781043dynamo, abrams, doorman: cut
>>540781018Wow I'm a Shiv main and I've never fucking made the connection between building rage and torment pulse, always skipped it in favour of knifemaxxing. I don't really find much use in cold front though, but I'm a shitter.
this fucker would fucking ult -> refresh -> ult everyone i hit with seven stun. I CANT FUCKING SHOOT THEM IF THEY'RE IN YOUR STUPID MINIGAME FOR 15 SECONDS YOU FUCKKKKKEERRR
>>540780289
>>540779838Alright, thanks.
>>540780734>ball>bounce at a weird angle in a doorway>am now stuck in the doorway
>>540782546based lightning scroll doorman ult LMFAO
>>540783721holy shit how I didn't think of thisdoes it actually stun them inside the gay baby jail
>>540784058it's damage based, so no
>>540784058No it only stuns after they take the initial damage from the baroness. So once they are out they are stunned again, or doorman can recast his ult on you and you get stunned in the ult, then again if you even manage to make it out after a second go.
I assume archone is about average for current day matchmaking? Im pretty new and find it hard to keep up with my buddy and both our ranks are estimated about there. Its weird though because i thought i was bad, some maybe dl tracker sucks?
>>540785020for kelvin to be good it must be the shitiest of tiersso initiate 5 or something
Some niggers manage to repeatedly wall jump in multiple different directions around you while almost perfectly aiming at you.I'm getting too old to constantly have to keep up with this shit, damn adderal niggers.
>>540785359same difference since our matchmaking is so shit. half of those players are probably initiate 1
>>540762337>>540762582calvinball
>>540785020>commending the lasheven paige doesnt like nice guys......
>>540762631Dota 2 has a surrender option for full parties. And yes you can be hostage held for no reason as people farm you, that's reason enough to have some way to vote to end.
>>540785450This is me. I have no idea what im doing.
>>540785450what the fuck do you even buy to kill that nigger Josephus
>nvidia app is a piece of shit even disabling itself due to "copyright" randomly>finally look into steam recording>it's piss easy and bettercool
>>540785856you gotta buy the dediscombobulator to counter his discombobulate
>>540785450>me and Moloch getting beaten by Spoinky in lane like a dirty whore>check Moloch's build>winky dinky, mild sauce and powerpoint 20087 in his build>lose bingus before the 10 minute markthese ranks are fucked
>>540785927steam recording is so good
Free my nigga Trapper
>kill abrams in the hideout while waiting>instinctual teabag himmaybe I am toxic
>>540785313That's why they added heroes like mo and krill. For boomers.
>>540785856You gotta uninstall his excel
https://youtu.be/-cSFPIwMEq4so, how do you think the release trailers are going to be like?will it be more like tf2 with each character giving an interview or like dota2 and left 4 dead?
>My cat's name is Mina>Whenever I get a Mina in my game>She always thinks I'm talking to her so she comes up to me.Let me play in peace kot
>>540787117Probably one cinematic battle trailer and a few story based vids like meet the tf2 for the Main Characters (abrams geist)
>tearing shit up as wraith shredding a walker>but then i remembered the enemy team has dynamo, ivy, seven, calico, victor, and pocket>anytime i tried pushing ivy or victor came to rape my health before i get away>forced into a 50 minute brooling losswell fuck me then
>>540787117I want a "Welcome to the Cursed Apple" natural montage where it's just people going about their day. Some of them fighting, running, preparing for the ritual, others chilling.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=151ZPzZWdbY
>>540785927Either that or use OBS replay feature for clips and recordingWay more options and isnt as pozzed.And can also quick sync record if you are incel inside gamer.https://youtu.be/MIM0QJS_Owk?si=2HqwSURR56J49DjzWorks pretty good if i dare say so myself
>lane against Abrams>he's doing melee attacks nonstop>Victor and I both parry constantly>after a few times, Abrams just stops getting parried>like the heavy melee deals no damage, but he doesn't get stunned>even though he swung on both of us and we both put our parries upis there some item I can't find that makes you immune to the stun of getting parried or what the fuck
im uninstalling this game
>>540746627how is wraith?
>>540789438Se7en is the hero you want to rice my friend.
>>540789271another kelvin loss. what a surprise
>whiny incel leaves 8 minutes into a game because his lanemate died once>for some goddamn reason this counts as a loss on everyone else's records and the enemy team gets a free winWhygenuinelyI do not understand Valve's logicDoes this lead to higher player retention in some way? More profits, maybe?
>>540789798>if somebody quits the game then the game shouldn't count!shut up, fat retard.
watching eido do all this shiv alt-fire movement tech, it looks like most of it is irrelevant.
>decide on just one more match before bed>entire lobby just brools constantly so I splitpush and winThanks for the free win Yoshi, I needed one of those
why is it the game where i tilt and go off on people the games i win?
>>540790354they get off to your trashtalk anon
>>540778591yes using LLMs to generate basic programs is exactly the same thing as creating novel mathematical algorithmsyou don't even understand what you're talking about and even when its directly explained its beyond you. you are a lost cause
>>540790132>watching eido
Yeah game just put brand new fucking players on Ritualist lobbies haha I'm sure both them and their teammates will have the time of their lives playing together what a great matchmaking holy shit
>>540790870>not watching the best deadlock streamer
>>540790870who should I be watching instead?and don't you dare say the obese overgrown disneykid.
>>540791418I cant believe people watch/listen to metro he looks like a larval bogdanoff
>>540791086aka honeyskeleton
deploy the night inhouse
>>540791418someone who isn't an obnoxious zoomer
>>540791650?
>>540791771
>>540791726B-b-b-based
>>540791771unironically thougheverbeit
>>540791771make it then
>switch from my own drifter build to lightbringer build>75% winrate nowspirit drifter bros... our builds do not work
>get someone who beat my ass last game on my team>I purpose go afk multiple times>they leaveHehe easy report bye bye!!!
What do I buy when the enemy team has a fed victor? I don't understand what actually works against him since he can clear debuffs
>>540793504crippling headshot/silence
>>540793504a gun carry with crippling headshotfocus lens because he won't buy debuff remover
>>540793504healbane works on his but everyone needs to buy it.headshots also fuck him up if you are playing gun.after he clears the debuffs you can also apply them again trough items or passives.
>>540793504inhibitor if you shoot fast enough to just instantly reapply it.probably the single item that fucks victor more than anything, equally fucks the rest of his team too so it's not a bad item in general.
Why is there no way to see which players were teaming up in the results screen? seems like an obvioust hing to have, right?
>>540794260same reason valve tries to block sites from gathering match data, they don't want people to see their atrocious matchmaking and algorithms
Gee, thanks for playing with me today.
>>540794550bro how, I don't think I've ever seen a calico lose lane let alone have a negative kd.
>>540794707her laning is ass tho
alright anons, WHO'S THAT POKEMON?
>>540795051victor
>>540795051dyanmo
>>540795051KELVIN
>>540795051Warden
>>540795051haze
there is no justifying not having ff in this game just because dota didn't
>>540795253/ff is for massive pussies, I don't play to win, I play to play
>>540795051Mina
Generally, how am I supposed to know if a build is crappy or not? There's so many factor between my items, their items, buffs, powerups, invisible passives, and a bunch of other shit that makes it feel random how much damage I both give to and receive from any given enemy. The RPG elements of this game are so annoyingAnd why is there no way to rate builds in the browser? How does it even determine popularity? at least attach a winrate?
>>540795253"Cry about it" - Icefrog
>>540795384the goal is not to follow a build but to understand what you need to build and why. That's how you fucking learn the game.
>>540795098>>540795123>>540795145>>540795192>>540795247>>5407953515 minutes are up!unfortunately no one was correct!
>>540795384Have you read every single ability and item?
>>540795512what a fucking
>>540795512viable, reported
>>540795337it genuinely just feels bad to play at a 10-15k deficit most people are too uppity or don't listen in voice if you talk at themand because you're mostly going to be at the shitter tiers the game will go to 40 anyways so it's just slow torture. you wont get an urn, you wont get sacrifices, you wont get to farm camps"farm" nigga how about you farm your 20 minutes back doing anything elsethe average peabrained faggot treats the ff as a 'get me out' when i see it as a humble 'you were the better team'maybe allow access to it after a time average or something, like 20-30 minutes before it's even accesible
>>540795512fuck actually that makes sense, well maybe not healing tempo...
i can't play wraith because i cant aim her cards
>>540795753>>540795792it most definitely was not viable.
>>540795774yea I feel you, it sucks ass but it makes you better when you play through it. I guarantee a top player could somehow comeback 10-15k vs the shitters youre up against. So what is that eternus player doing? thats why you keep playing, to figure that out for yourself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
ok, so people complain about the game being too steam roll oriented right now. how exactly would you fix the game then? Have separate boons or slots for when your team lose walkers or something?
>>540795774as an addendum to this pointyou can't do a 'game knowledge' check nearly as well as you can in dota to make game changing flips, the game is too one dimensional in retrospect in every conceivable wayno smokes, no ward metagame, if you're a core you're competing with EVERYONE for camps instead of your exclusive right, i could go on and on and on and onthese are things that a mek, a glimmer cape, a well timed force staff, hitting a bkb before some big shit hits, i don't know literally anything that doesn't exist in deadlock so why try to pretend like it's the same game flow as dotait's a small hunch that icefrog is a hack and has been for a couple years now it's just in his game design for people not to 'give up'>>540796308the eternus player does not get in that situation in the first place. i am also not a top player nor will I ever be, or aim to be for that matter. that isn't my lane at all
>>540793504inhibitor, focus lens, knock down, silence hex, siphon bulletsbut the real answer is a victor that is fed with a competent team backing him up is going to be very hard to efficiently take down without dying to the rest of his nigga posse
>>540796432have the abilities and guns do more base damage with less scalingmake stuns last longer so that a good teamfight execution means you can actually outplay the enemy team real problem is that the game is too much like league of legends where big leads feel almost insurmountable and rely on enemies throwing not anything you can personally do
>friend insists on playing victor every single match>just farms and does nothing for 30 minutes>doesnt even buy infuser despite me telling him to every single match>lose unless i turbo carrywhat compels people to such retardation
if 5 people instantly leave a match that was a stack's host pressing a button to make them all leave the game at once right?just won a game because i ran into their base and dash jumped into their patron with a heavy punch and finished their patron off 1v3 and 5 of them immediately left the game before i could talk shit.
>>540797294he enjoys the character
>>540797005i once had a duel with a victor that lasted so long that my siphon bullets brought me up to like 6200 HP.>>540797294steal his pick and buy the item to show him what he's missing out on.surely a dumbfuck victor main understands that 90% spirit lifesteal is good?
>>540796432make the baseline higher and items less useful
inhouses really show why so many at dlg have the opinions they have because virtually everyone in the lobbies brools nonstop
towers are too weak and there should be a glyph
>>540796491the game knowledge check is more in the mechanical aspects, the movement (massive part) and aim make it so much less one dimensional than you think. Personally I think thats genius game design. The game could only improve from less moba elements. The 3d aspect with tall buildings replaces fog of war, being able to ping is a good replacement for wards. When you don't have wards you don't need smokes, but you have invis items. You have rescue beam which is like a mek force staff in one. BKB exists in the game and so does a healing mek.
>>540797804What the fuck is a tower and a glyph faggot
>laned with a Drifter who played too aggressively and fed a little>mfw realize they're good and were just calibrating their kill potential before killing off the lane and later melting the enemy team
>>540796432Map needs a resizing and jungles need a rework, because it's too easy to invade enemy jungle to steal and kill the underfarmed players that are trying to come back into the game. Virtually impossible to lose a lead from laning if you are willing to and you're playing a hero with an escape i.e. Wraith. Urn may also need looking into somehow.
>>540798018sometimes you just blunder early lane y'know
>>540797969shut up monkey
>>540798018dying early does not give the enemy that much of a lead (losing tower before 6 mins is bad though)
https://files.catbox.moe/lnkj3p.mp4
>>540797969From his choice of avatar, that poster is a League of Legends poster. "Towers" are what they call guardians and walkers. "Glyphs" are a kind of "Rune" which are like a bunch of tiny little stat-ups you equip before a game.
>>540798018early game doesn't matter
I can't land skillshots like Shiv's/Vyper's knives to safe my fucking life, I guess I need to rebind them to mouse or something.
>>540798396sofa king read arted
>>540798018ggs that was meI LOVE BLOOD TRIBUTE
>>540798460retard, he's talking about the ability to fortify towers in dota
so how do you ACTUALLY make a comeback from a soul deficient and/or a bad early game without getting bullied the entire game?
>>540798698watch the enemy force mid walker first and die on repeat because its a roach motel
>>540798698deathball and hope you luck upon an enemy overextending in your jungle
>>540798671There's no need to be nasty about it.
>>540798165I think i saw somewhere that the urn was being reworked into something else.
>>540798483With Shiv you might need to but Vyper's knife is basically useless so no point trying to even land it
>>540798396>the hook on the petrified hollidaylittle cheeky groping
>You just got LashedHow do you respond with sounding mad?
>>540795384play it an evaluate it yourself, it helps if you know some top deadlock players, you can confidently use a build even if its not perfect
I need to know the canonical height of all the heroes, I need to know who is a manlet and who is a womanlet
>>540799804Ava is the shortest
how does a lane lose their walker before 10 minutes? i have 1200 games and ive never been in a lane where that happens before
Why does the matchmaking love making fucked up lanes comps? Abrams+Warden lanes feel like pulling out teeth.
>>540800002one of the retards abandons lane and farms jungle super slowly or feeds in another lane
>>540800002terminal badalternatively, the game makes matches based on lane, so you can have 4 e6s in one lane and 4 ritualist 1s in another if the matchmaking is particularly sparse. If anyone swaps, it's completely fucked.
>valve game requires proton to play on linuxwhat the FUCK
>>540798698play to numbers, take risks, get a pick, run a comeback urn, if you get 2 picks try and do a mida concept that bad players need to understand is that when you are behind you need to be proactive, force favorable fights, if you play scared you give up all objectives and get choked out until a real loss, this is hard in low elo because people are terrified of being the reason they lose the game
>>540800069sapphire lost the objective but won the lane there
>>540800002I've had shit lanes where I and my partner have been absolutely fucking bullied out and we lost our guardian real early, I don't know if I've lost a walker that fast though.
>enemy carry builds cultist sacrifice>my carry does not>lose the game actually a retarded item. it should not be a 10k bonus to your networth
>>540800002I had one today. First they feed then one of them ragequits.
theres nothing worse than knowing that your early game is instalost because youre laning against a lady geist
>>540800265it's actually a still net negative until like 4 activations on t3s it's just that it gives you 6400 item stats at the cost of 1600 effectively
>>540800539lady geist isnt even as close to as bad as kelvin or doormanchin up, buy your monster rounds
>>540798396extra health would have saved you.
>>540798698Pray that your teammates grow a brain/just had a bad matchup/synergy in their lane and that the enemy fucks upThere's just so many issues with the game right now;>No solo lane so you're forced to some random person, with no concept of roles/priority until high ascendant so already an issue as soon as the game starts>Horrible matchmaking and ranked system so you might get a creep as your lane partner>Lane is very important and if you're not in sync you will get demolished, you both need to know what you're doing and then able to execute it>Too many little things during that lane without even taking matchups and normal lane into account that you can use to get extra advantages like box roaming in between waves, wave management, wave creep kill order, shooting angles, harassing or csing and splitting this between both, coordinating waves for the person box breaking, camps and camp stealing, etc and you BOTH need to coordinate this or it goes to shit>lane matchups are make or break, need to swap and coordinate but the game gives you almost no time to do so>gold and exp are tied to the same resource so early leads are massively impactful, any lead builds an even bigger lead and it keeps snowballing>The supposed comeback mechanism for this is the urn, but due to the snowballing the winning team can easily completely take over the other teams jungle very early on and since they have a level + item advantage they can be extremely ignorant and get away with murder and bad gameplay just out of sheer stat advantage>Urn is also very slow to update so a team that's insanely ahead can have the urn on the other side as usual>Splitpushing and farming are the other comeback mechanisms but they're both hard nerfed and particularly punishing when behind>And all these comeback mechanisms require coordination and your teammates having neurons...which they'll probably lack if you're already in need of those mechanismsThis patch is genuinely broken.
at what rank do people stop dodge rolling into walls and dying?i'm at the green hand rank now and just watched a turbofed haze roll into a wall twice and lose the game because of it.unironically would have had a better fighting chance just standing still shooting back at us.
>>540800757>complaining about a bunch of shit that's just "my teammates are n00bs!">then blames the patchbruh unless your idea is to simplify everything into the ground I don't see how a patch would make your teammates smart (and its not like this match made matchmaking worse)
The secret to victor is to actually build around healing and his 1, if you lower the cooldown of it high enough you effectively have infinite hp in early fights if you can land your hits. Eventually either the game will be won or you'll be fed enough to transition to a more generic aura build.
I wish the game was more snowbally so it would actually end when it's over instead of 20 minutes later.
>>540800579I mean yeah, but it's perfect for too many carries so the buff is never wasted. And the buff persists through death so you cant even punish it for a second. It's a shit design it's way too good
>win game>Yoshi nigger gives you worse teammates instead of better with MMR increase???
>>540800673*throws undodgeable bomb with a giant radius and 0 windup at you*
The devs are going to nerf carry gun Ivy builds next patch. But the issue is that as a "support" she doesn't really do anything besides throw Kudzu and tether onto someone to increase fire rate. That's not very dynamic or fun.I think they need to just remove the tether and give her a more interesting ability instead. All the other support heroes have more interesting kits in this game.
>>540801483none of the things you just said are true lol
>>540801174Snowball is shit. Being able to end games faster is good
>>540801174games are already 20-30 minutes?
>>540801063You're gonna have shitty teammates on every team game, it's bound to happen.Almost none are as punishing as deadlock right now and they all have several comeback mechanics.They also don't require so much teamwork to make use of those mechanics.Then there's the issue of the very widely known horrible matchmaking and ranked system which makes this required coordination way way harder to achieve when you're already losing so the games are even worse.>bruh unless your idea is to simplify everything into the ground I don't see how a patch would make your teammates smartThis is BECAUSE they simplified things over time which reduced the impact of a single player.Solo lane gone.Splitpushing hard nerfed and much harder when behind.Farming nerfed.Several mechanics removed.For example, a few threads ago people mentioned bringing back soul denying for teammates and objectives which would be a decent starting step to fix this mess.
>>540801174even at a 30k deficit you can still win if one of the 6 players on the enemy team is out of position and jump his ass
>>540801483geist bomb is easily reactible, it even makes loud ass noises now when it's in the air.
>>540801507tether should be targeted, not require line of sight, and work like a reverse rescue beam
SEXWITHIVY
>>540801840rape with ivy
>>540801840*brap* *sniff* smells like tacos
>>540801547On a game with so much mobility everywhere + many green items being actually offensive items + no wards so you have no idea who's out there making engagements way riskier this is completely relying on the enemy being full of retards.Reminder that even "PRO GAMES" are ending with 40k-60k soul leads, one team gets ahead at some point and then they completely take over the game and there's very little these teams can do even at the supposed apex of teamwork right now, comebacks are extremely fucking rare.
>>540801483Geist's 1 and 3 cost her own HP to use. Depending on her skill priority it's actually pretty easy to bait out bombs and then jump her during lane. Of course, you AND your lane partner need to capitalise on it, which makes it sort of hard because people tend to play way too passive during lane (especially if they take even just 1 bad trade). As long as you keep punishing her you'll win lane even if she has her 2 tether on someone (because most Geists are brainlets and keep spamming skills even during tether).t. Geist enjoyer
>>540802072>(because most Geists are brainlets and keep spamming skills even during tether).So why shouldnt I do this?I dont play geist
>>540801892How can you rape a rock?
>>540802072>t. Geist enjoyerkill yourself
We need a character that can reflect skillshots
>>540802402Put Pyro in Deadlock so I can W+M1 and make people mad again
>>540802306
Is there a way to tell if someone is duoing with someone? I swear I'm getting people who are worse than seeker players in my ritualist lobbies
>>540802305During lane you don't really have enough items to just heal through the skill costs. The HP costs also scale with spirit (more spirit means more HP gets used in her 1 and 3) so until you get Radiant Regen you're losing more HP than you're recovering from your tether (unless you've built up 3? or so stacks of her 3 beforehand, but if you've already reached that point AND you've got an opportunity to tether then you're up against retards and would have won lane anyway).
It would be cool if people bleeding from Shiv's knife left a blood trail.
>>540802576infernus m1 should have been a close range flamethrower instead of a cheater laseranother Yoshi hates fun moment
>>540802576His kit might actually work.>Gun: Flamethrower. Super short range, but has afterburn>1: Airblast (pushes enemies and reflects projectiles)>2. Flare gun (skillshot that ignites and does bonus damage against enemies on fire)>3. Gascan/Afterburn passive (makes enemies more susceptible to afterburn and makes the afterburn more powerful? I don't remember what the gas passer actually does in tf2 lol)>4. Jetpack (low CD movement ability. If you land directly on someone they take big damage)>>540802735You can dig through their match history on Tracklocker
>>540802894So how exactly am I supposed to play geist then?It's a character I always liked but every time I try her it feels like nothing works.
>>540802970*Statlocker
>>540802402werent they testing an unironic rocket jumperwhat ever happened to him
>>540802926Infernus should have a close range flamethrower alt fire
>>540802970>ult with chargesoh no no no
>>540802970the (g)ass passer spreads on the ground in a mist cloud and covers enemies but the retards at valve didn't let you ignite it for area denial for some reason
>>540801840violent mating sex with my ivy lane partner
I need the halloween update yosh
>>540804250>yoshiku zo!!
>>540802306>>540801840he said with, she is your ghislaine maxwell
>>540798396have you tried building fortitude
>>540804390oregano!
>>540803125Always grab Mystic/Radiant Regen regardless of build. The latter will let you recoup the cost of 1 and 3 as long as you hit at least one character. Your gun isn't the strongest, but it's still good enough for gun builds to be viable (especially because her 3 is a "free", stacking resilience debuff and is the crux of making her gun work). HP costs are more important in lane than in post-lane because every second you're not pushing waves or farming creeps is a second you're not making money (and letting your enemies make money instead). Only go all in with your cooldowns during lane if you're certain you can net a kill or force your enemy back to either heal or back off enough to stop making money. Be aggressive with your tethers since it's free heals and most players get spooked by it and try to fuck off to their tower as soon as they see it (meaning you have free reign to secure and deny creeps). Post-lane depends on your build.
Will faggots PLEASE stop smurfing already?
>enemy team keeps grouping and taking sieging lanes>team keeps fighting them and dying at our own walker>know that my only hope is to try to push a lane solo to ease pressure>can't get the solo kill on the guy they send after meThe loss was actually on me and I feel bad. I can't get a solo kill to save my life
>>540805075I truly dont get smurfing. What fun is there in winning against noobs?
I feel like there's something fundamentally wrong with this game. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something about how it is right now that's so basic, yet wrong, and it trickles upwards and affects the whole experience. Wins don't feel satisfying and losses don't feel justified. It's bizarre. Something about this game is just messed up.
My seven has spent all fucking game baiting his team and farming just to go 0-10. He just farms jungle and pushes waves until he dies. Never helping us, just giving enemies the money he farmed
Anyone want to play? Im US west
>>540805680Just looked him up and apparently he has a 59% winrate on seven playing like the biggest fucking retard ever. WE lost all our walkers by 20 mins and they had 2 guardians up. He refused to help us once. And two other people were also jungling too. They need a tutorial that says jungling while your team is behind and waves are pushing in is a guaranteed loss.
>>5408058520XB2N join through code top rightAnyone else is welcome too
Man, I just wanted to try Viscous, and instead I get to fight the biggest niggers on earth
>>540805884people like this are disgusting. letting some guy pig out in the jungle and have less than 1000 objective damage when the game is over should award a low priority penalty to him
>>540805989Starting in 3 minutes someone else join up
I actually hope they put in a more beginner ~10 minute long mode and then make the main mode longer. Like put in buybacks and slow down the soul ramp up. Make average game time ~35 min like Dota 2.This game is so much worse off because there's so much lost trying to keep game time down to appease zoomers and gamer dads.
>>540806197they are adding aram but they game should aim to be 30 minutes flat, 35 is too long
>>540806241no it isnt
>teammate nonstop yells DON'T FIGHT so we keep letting them kill someone for free.>enemy has 4x rejuv.>he starts a fight and suicides to take one of their rejuvs away and they snowball it, a few other retards staggering along the way (outside of our base because why would you want to fight inside of your own base?).where do these brain damaged individuals come from?
>>540806654>so we keep letting them kill someone for free.have you tried not doing this?
aram sounds fucking awful
>>540806197My games are usually 40+ minutes because my teammates don't know how to group and end. Even when communicating with them, they for some reason go off into the jungle instead of push our advantage. It's feels so whack, I can't imagine how it's going to feel when the game officially releases. I really need to find some duo partners.
>>540806703i tried but my teammates said "i thought someone was with me" like 4 times that game. (nobody was with them).there was also one retard thinking blue walker was free when no enemies were showing on map and then he died 1v3, while saying COME ON GUYS IT WAS FREE.
>>540806765Be my ivy healslut and i will queue with you
>victor>sevenAnd?
>>540806958I don't know how to play Ivy. Or should I say I never played her before.
>>540807001victor is "new" so he doesn't count towards your 3 picks. you still have 2 picks, friend.
>>540807087Fuck...
>>540807032It's okay, she's not even a healslut character, I just liked the picture you posted.
>>540807001ivy and haze
>>540805581you need to consider smurfing a subsection of cheating to understand the motivation
Cool having very good stats but still dogshit win rate.
I don't know how to win games. Everytime I try to push an objective I just get jumped by 3 people
>>540808371Then push an objective with your teammates.>>540807517True. It is abandoning any sense of fairness for hollow guaranteed victories.
>>540808371I guess you should let the game exist in some sort of deadlock until you get strong enough to 1v3
>>540808371understand something known as NP(Nigga potential), how many niggas do you see on the map? if you see 4 that means the NP of a walker push is 2, can you escape an NP of 2? if you can feel free to push it, if not consider other ways to extend your lead, like stealing enemy farm or taking your own from the jungle
>>540808283your mistake is thinking those stats scale linearly as if an eternus has top 1% in those stats, theres more to the game than that
>>540808582thank you professor vegeta, i will keep nigga potential in mind
>>540752075>>540752130I wish they'd move the ult and thunderball onto a different character, because I really hate how the best way to play him is ignoring half his kit (and the most funj parts in my opinion)
>>540808694ive noticed this too and i dont understand why people think thatif anything a top ~30% stat at eternus is infinitely more impressive than a top 10% at ritualist or whatever
>>540808582Naruhodo
>>540808696>>540808886don't forget how noisy you are being too. sliding into boxes is quiet. shooting jungle NPCs is loud. smacking the slot machines is very loud.
is there more of an "it's so over" feeling than watching your teammates brool mid and there's more farm than you can ever take on your half of the map but they refuse to take it and then your team is perpetually 30% behind?
>>540808967>when all three waves are pushing in and everyone is either dead or in the jungleI think they should halve the amount of jungle camps and make them mini objectives to fight over, people fucking love jungle but it's just a detriment to actually farm them most of the time imo, they're not good for the game. The new jungle camps should be hard to fight too with stuns and slows that you have to dodge
Drifter is actually just the perfect hero for me. He's such a great game ender due to a) getting fed throughout the course of the game b) constant source of pickoffs and good initiation with his passive + blind ult
i go woods
>>540808582>consider other ways to extend your lead like these other things that have the same chance of getting you killed (or more)
>>540808793imo these people probably have a shooter background where that would generally be more applicable, but this game is mostly a moba so there are times where dying for instance are extremely beneficial
Redpill me on Shiv
>>540809358do you think taking your own jungle has the same chance of getting you killed as pushing a walker retard-kun?
>>540809358you have to realize that pushing a lane where you are constantly in vision on the map significantly increases the nigga magnetism in your area, a DIRECT correlation with NP (nigga potential)stealing jungle makes sound but some niggas are dumb enough to think it is their fellow nigga busting up that gamba machine
CROSS THE FUCKING LINE
>>540809370>>540808694>>540808793Those percentages are across every bracket, not just alchemist. Which is why the win rate and rank are bottom 20%. Besides I have 2300 hours in dota, I wasn't talking about the weapon accuracy since I am lower tier on that stat anyway.
>>540809626>haze does nothing but farm all game yet somehow at least one lane is constantly crashing into our buildings and he's never pushed across the linei dont even mind being a lane janny but that shit triggers me
how the fuck do you draw on the map?
>>540809925alt and left click
>use the good job and thank you voice lines for the Paige ONCE when she rotates to my line and helps secure a kill>she follows me around for the rest of the gameThe playerbase is already broken if this is how they respond to positive reinforcement
>>540810331every time I get rescue beamed I always say thank youi love rescue beam
>>540809626JUNGLE CAMP IS UP SARRRRR I MUST REDEE- OH LOOK A MID FIGHT >300 creeps now hit your walker
>>540810449YOU PUSH THE DAMN LANES ACROSS THE FUCKING LINE
>>540810331I have won like 14/16 of my games by being a positive fella with good calls (mainly just saying to do mid boss)I swear people try harder and focus if you talk even the smallest amount.
>mina player spams 800 different pings whenever something doesnt go his way>during teamfight: I SEE SEVEN NEED HELP ON YELLOW STAY TOGETHER WHATS THE PLAN NEED HELP ON YELLOW STAY TOGETHER THANK YOU WHATS THE PLAN THANK YOU SEVEN IS MISSING NEED HELP ON YELLOW>teammate calls him annoying and mina says he's only trying to communicate and to stop being toxic>check his steam profile>south american (colombia)every time
>>540748530whew
>>540810667I dont care as long as they're not peruvian. Death to peru. And then death to them again in the afterlife
>enemy team is overinvesting players in the lane opposite of me>push up to punish them and take their walker>see my infernus coming with me>he unironically just stood far back watching me take the walker>barely take it but i die for it, if he helped i would have gotten it before anyone could arrive>he's still far back not doing anything but watching, not even stealing their neutrals>he decides he's strong enough to take a 1v2 and goes in and dies???
>>540811091the closer to actually being able to damage an objective your average player is, the more of a massive pussy they become
I think I'm finally getting Shiv.utilizing some air schmovement is helping.I still get shit on in lane most of the time, but that happens on any hero I play.
>>540809373>the busted flushgood for soul securing on m1, fun alt fire movement tech for sliding and jumping, the alt fire can be used comfortably from speaking distance without worrying about fall off >daggersDo zero damage until max'd with accompanying spirit damage items. They deal near negative damage in lane which requires you to land multiple. its easiest to do so when playing footsies with the opponent, waiting for them to expend their stamina first or when they turn their back to you. If you spend all your early points leveling up daggers, you still wont have the items to really make them work. Spirit build daggers are insanely powerful mid to late>slice and dicestrong escape tool, deals a good amount of damage, very easy to use unlike daggers. If you use it for the damage early you better have a way to kill them because shiv actually folds very quickly in the early game with no survival items and no points in passive - dont believe the propaganda that he is unkillable. When you are full rage this ability will delete half the enemies health bar if they take both ticks >bloodletting the above, just make sure you aren't a spazz and use it early. More often than not if you try to force a fight that isnt one sided the end result will be pic related >DunkJust max it asap if your gonna brool. You aren't a real hero until your rage meter is full, buy decay early on and use it on CD to keep it activated. The enemy model flares red when you can execute them but if you have some foresight you can cast the dunk early if you know they will take damage to push them under before you reach, sometimes its even worth it just to use it early as a gap closer if they try to escape.
>>540812089oh and turn on the citadel health bars, the cubes are cancer
Do you like swirly bug man?
>>540811091the bystander effect, most support players are textbook cases of this too, but it extends to every player. These people will also then call you a retard immediately after - denying any culpability that they had the potential to influence the outcome no matter how easy or obvious it seems
>>540813007do not redeem the scarab
>>540812756surely they implement these as the standard soon...
>>540813007I like him for laning and scrappy early fights but not really after teamfights start breaking out.
>>540813007I swear this guy has 0 identity in this game after they removed solo lanes. What does he even do? Occasionally tornado people? Do middling damage sometimes?
>>540813851if he's good he can instill fear and make people not likely to take risky 1v1's because he can teleport in. at worst he's a good anti-rat character unless he falls behind 10-20k like all the ones in my games do.there are almost no good mirage players though.
>>540813007>>540813851>>540813950He is the Ryu of the game
>losing streak, keep getting put in games several levels higher than my own>just got done getting my ass kicked for 30 minutes>next game lose lane within 5 minutes badly, enemies are obviously much better than me and my team>abandonI'm just not going to play this shit lol its crazy that they've never even tried to fix the matchmaking
>>540800101>so you can have 4 e6s in one lane and 4 ritualist 1s in another if the matchmaking is particularly sparse. If anyone swaps, it's completely fucked.i clocked this 1 year ago and people told me i was schizo
>>540814037>mm punishes you and expects you to carry room temperature IQs
Whenever I play wraith I do great objective damage, great farm, and fuckall damage to players. Fuck I suck at teamfighting/1v1
>>540814536whenever I see a person playing a rat character this is what I expect from them. And it is why they picked the character in the first place
>>540814536if you're winning, all is wellif you're losing, consider shooting more people
>>540814643It just sucks because in the retard elo (I'm a retard) the strategy's success entirely depends on whether your team is smart enough to play defensively while you push or good enough to get picks that enable your push
>>540814695most of the Minas I'm seeing in ritualist are hard stuck because they are using the ult building abuse to rank and then find themselves in front of a brick wall where it doesn't work anymore
How do I explain to my friend who is a newer player that Haze is not overpowered in the early game and he should stop bitching and crashing out whenever we fight a haze in lane.
>>540814695The issue is hard committing to that strategy regardless of what your team is doing. Team is brooling? Time to push. Team is farming? Play safe, maybe follow someone around with your ult for a pick.
Heres my list on how shitty lane opponents tend to be, wonder if you can guess who my mains are
>>540814807i always joked about mina being an ult bot but i'm starting to see people unironically buy refresher on her now.
>>540814852First explain what right hand shoulder peeking advantage is, second, go into free roam mode and show some examples of where to stand when Haze is doing Haze things, third, call him a retarded nigger if all else fails.
>>540814852tell him about the secret bar on the bottom left of the screen that tells you how much longer you have to wait before you can give haze LoS on you again.
>>540814879Oh no I definitely only push when it's safe. I check the map/hp bars and note who's missing/if they can pick me. I usually don't die, but I'm relying on my team to hold fort, if they don't then it just flopsI tried building a little hybrid to enable some picks but I still got fucked 1v1 by a Billy because I am bad and can't parry
>>540815048bind parry to scroll wheel down
>buy Kovaak's to try and not be much of an aimlet after a conversation in a previous thread>huge amount of tension in my wrist after five minutes of playingI can play Deadlock for hours without any issues, is it normal to feel this way when you concentrate hard on aiming, like a muscle you haven't been exercising? Or is this abnormal and I'm doing something retarded that's going to fuck up my hands for life if I continue? My posture is the same as when I play Deadlock
>>540814339yeah so I'm just not going to play the game. looking at the charts seems like a lot of people are starting to feel the same
>>540815114When you first start aim training, you're going to be trying extra hard and will tense up to try and make your movements more accurate. For awhile you'll have to intentionally focus on keeping your arm and wrist relaxed as you aim, because you should not be feeling any tension except for when you're specifically going for flicks. Focus on training tracking and using arm/shoulder movements, you may have to adjust your sensitivity.
>>540814852accept increased dmg plus spirit dmg is annoying as fuck especially since stacks get refreshed from across the lane
>>540815114you gotta use your whole arm, shoulder, and elbow when aiming. not the wrist.
>>540815243>>540815016
>>540815271>just wait behind a corner bro and let her farm or do whatever bro
>>540815359>>540814927
>>540815359>see haze is on the left side of the lane>go right>see haze is on the right side of the lane>go leftthe debuff doesn't even last that long, you're unironically just retarded and letting her shoot you in the face for her entire clip.
>>540815114i bought kovaaks around a month ago and i had the same issuewhen you're new to aimtraining you are constantly tensed up, eventually you will ease into it and learn to apply tension only when necessary, and it'll become less taxing thenthere are tutorials and shit on tension management if you continue having problems with it though
>>540758631Eat your peas
>>540815359well normally when there aren't creeps in the lane you dont run up to their guardian and try to click on them solo and then tank creep damage when they arrive like a dipshit, letting haze build and refresh stacks on you. but maybe you and your friend do.
>>540815359also if you're "letting her farm" just come out and shoot troopers/at her when she's reloading.she does not have infinite ammo, it unironically takes an entire reload to kill ONE trooper early game.
>>540814909holy reddit
>hero gets ahead>starts stealing farm>cant stop them bc they are ahead>they get more ahead>repeat>grab urn to get even>they steal the urn bc they are head>they are now more ahead
>>540814909Why is Haze in the last category instead of the first?
>>540816796they play haze
how shit is wraith?
>>540816662Outskilled
>>540816796I don't mind laning against Haze, probably because most Haze's are kinda shit in lane and only turn on with farm
What does this say about my play?
>>540816662>hey guys come kill this guy in our jungle I bought an item to counter him
>>540817327heal slut
>>540817327That you play tardproof tanks like abrams and mokrilhos
>>540817262bad until she gets ultstill bad but can maybe get a kill or two from getting ult to 30k soulsas soon as she has any lead pray for salvation
>>540817327You seem to be pretty alright. But looking at my stats, I'm a little confused. Apparently, my aim is pretty good, which doesn't sound right at all.
>>540816662excellent the game is over quicker
>>540817570Now that I think about this, my main problem is that I die too quickly, even to someone less farmed than me. How do I fix this? What's the secret that everyone knows even in Initiate that I'm not privy to?
>>540817570Average player has to have parkinson's or something because my aim is fucking trash and I often just lay out suppressing fire in lane.Either that or it takes creeps/buildings into account as well and makes these stats worthless.Jesus anon look at your map from time to time
on statlocker in the performance tab, what exactly does changing your rank to "team relative performance" do? what does that mean?
https://tracklock.gg/players/1729239246cheater or just smurf?
I play and look like Mina. I should get on hrt.
>>540817327I promise I'm not an aimlet I just play Paige and she cant headshot...
>>540818007Might be a smurf.
>>540818007>HS 60.0%1000% a cheater
>>540818007cant really tell from the stats alone without seeing headshot% or how they move. but i see a lot of chinese names in their recent games so i assume they're cheating
>>540818194>>540818153>>540818151Spectated him and looked like he was aimlocking camps and played like a total tard in lane, so I doubt he is legit. I reported for smurf first though so cant report any more
is there a bigger carried pedo hero than mina
Is Holliday just a shit character? Or high skill floor?I am in alchemist or something and feels like Holliday can, at best, do OK and just be a nuisance
>>540818625nope
what's the replacement for healbane on spirit characters?spirit burn has too long of a cd.
>>540818662i dont think she great right now but she is definitely playable
>>540818662One of the hardest characters in the game, she's also not a carry so she's not gonna be the one dominating the game.She was also very recently nerfed extremely hard.
>>540818832valve is seriously retarded for adding a better haze in lane
>>540818063You should, send pics also
>>540818662She was buttfuck broken until they nerfed her barrels recently.
>>540818662People love to pretend she is hard to play because muh headshots and jumping before throwing a barrel and spiking it is too much for 99% of brainlets here
I hear the darkest dungeon narrator in my head whenever a heavy melee landsDAZED, REELING, ABOUT TO BREAK
help I have a "solo laner" ivy that isn't helping us at all and is 0-6 despite farming all game
Should I just one trick Vindicta and remain in the shitter bracket forever?
>>540819695>buys a 800 soul itemPARRIED, SHITTED, MOM'S SPAGHETTI
>>540819061Decay, Crippling Headshot
A crouch melee should perform a low kick that requires a crouch parry to counter
>>540819695>hear russians>more ashes, more dissapointment..
>2 people on enemy team dead>nobody in green lane and the wave is near the enemy walker>3 people in yellow laneyep... im thinking its time to go do our hard camp
How do I cope with being an aimlet?
>>540819896>win anywayMANY FALL IN THE FACE OF CHAOS, BUT NOT THIS ONE, NOT TODAY
>>540819884crouch heavy melee should knock down
>>540820047>lose>BACK TO THE TRENCHES
Every Haze player is the same>entire personality is FPS games>Secondary from OW/Valorant/Marvel Rivals>somehow still can't aim despite this; only able to get kills with ult>steam profile links to some generic [WeebnameFPS] twitch channel>will never hit a building because having 3 digit objective damage is haram
>>540820046Hit up the 'vaaks lil bro
>teammates rushing into the enemy team killing themselves>yo where were you bro what are you doingyou can't even explain to these people that maybe trying to 2v6 the enemy team isn't a good idea. in their minds if it was a 3v6 they'd win no issue. never once does it occur to the average deadlock player that they can control the character on the screen and maybe rushing towards certain death isn't a good idea
>>540819771>Vindicta>in the shit categoryYou'd be right at home
>>540820098That would be kinda cool if say you got no forward momentum for a crouch heavy melee, the problem would be pairing it with like Abrams charge for a lot more cc so it couldn't work sadly.
is there like a bkb to buy against seven ult or what do I buy
>>540820547knockdown is tailormade for this
>>540819518feets
paradox love
>>540820757that isn't paradox, looks like some vtumor
Holliday has the most boring voice, character design, and lore. I'd even put her below Paige, she feels so uninspired
>>540820870Still better than 99% of dota heroes, funny enough. Every dota hero is literally the most mundane shit.
>>540821065t. falseflagging smite player
>>540820870Start running, pal
>>540820792if you can recognize vtubers you are part of the cancer
God I love WardenBut god I hate his gun
>>540821161wdym, I'm literally praising deadlock's characters because they're not>DARK REEF PRISON DARK REEF PRISON DARK REEF PRISON>i am the last of my kind please i am the last of my kind>your sanity shatters...>ice is always nice :3 teehee
>>540820256>go help someone who’s in a simple 1v1 or 1v2>I arrive pretty quickly>ally backs out without warning>2 from the enemy team had the same idea as me and come join the fight >get snowballed before I can back out>the same teammate yells at me for dying
>>540821215autism
I hate how you can tell what team is going to win based on how responsive they are to early game shit like guardian rotations or urnyou cant just be an afk retard in this game (unless youre victor)
>>540821215OD is cringe kino though
dahaha me shoot objective dahahahahaha
they should disable pausing in the first 10 minutes of a game unless someone is actively disconnected these adhd zoomer niggers always have some inane reason that they need to pause 30 seconds after the lane starts
>>540822281the only thing Wraith is actually good atpeople think she's a gun carry but actually shes a tower annihilator
>>540822350
>>540821065Lone Druid exists so Dota 2 has way better heroes just on that alone
>>540822350i just abandoned a game because there were two pauses in the first 3 minutes
>>540822350they are scanning twitch and opening streams
>>540822427I mean entirely in terms of voicelines and personality. Dota definitely has better ability design, but deadlock's whole thing is being an FPS and the movement is very satisfying so it makes up for it.
>>540822350half of them is to "ask" for a swap. I always refuse
>>540822502Yeah Lone Druid's voicelines and personality can never be topped that's what I mean
>>540822502>deadlock's whole thing is being an FPS
>>540822370I don't even see the point of building pure gun over spirit heavy hybrid, you get such good spirit scaling on her gun
I don't think I've ever won with a vindicta on my team
>Mina nerf incomingWtf?They want her win rate to continue dropping?
>>540823771if you thought Mina being able to devour walkers in 5 seconds was going to stick around you're so stupid not even the US army could find a job for you that wasn't redundant
>>540823771are you dumb on purpose? Do you crave for online interaction this much
>>540823771A character can be overall weak and still have one really big problem that needs a nerf. I don't think Mina is weak, but even if she was, she needs objective scaling on her ult so her getting in range of an objective by herself isn't an instant loss of that objective. Make her unable to solo mid before anyone on the other team can be alerted to it and then we can talk about buffs, though I don't know what she'd even need besides maybe making her slightly less squisky
>dota bashers call deadlock a first person shooterKek, you retards
>>540823883>>540824002>Hurr Durr she can melt walkers in 5 seconds>Yet her win rate is still shitso it's actually not good enough and need another buff
>>540824064retard gooners pick her and lose, slightly less retard gooners abuse how broken she is but then eventually get punished for their bad decision making once they escape arcanist. It's not a problem with the hero
Halve Mina ult damage to objectivesAdd a cooldown to spirit burn hitting creeps/towers, just like 1 second before it can start building up again, give Mina a third blink charge but increase her ult cooldown by like 6 more seconds.Fixed everything, you're welcome.
>>540824064You can take away her walker melt and ALSO give her something else, but I would rather her be shit without redeeming qualities than her be shit but have this one really unhealthy OP aspect to her. It would be like if Dynamo's kinetic pulse had no scaling and became worthless but his ult had 20m range and its duration scaled with spirit. He'd be deadweight except for brief moments where he was pure cancer
>>540812089ok but what the fuck do I buy for this guy besides decay
Mina is fine as she is, in fact, her 1 could use a buff in range.
>>540824287It literally depends on what hero you're playing and what items he is buying. If you're a gun hero with decent build up, siphon bullets/toxic bullets help to counteract his bloodletting if you're a spirit hero then decay/spirit burn. Don't tank his 2 and buy debuff remover to get rid of his daggers, and learn to kite him. Don't follow him into small corridors, the veils on the side lanes, etc. he's just gonna press 2 and deal 1k damage to you.
Did prohibition happen in the Deadlock's America? I know alcohol is legal in present day given Infernus is a bartender and none of the law enforcement characters have anything bad to say about it, but was there a period where it was banned?
>kinetic dash has no cooldown and stackswtf
Doorman's cart has peculiar collision. If the enemies are all bunched up, it only takes 3 or 4 of them.
>>540824471Yeah but it doesn't give you a stamina-free dash anymore
>>540824515probably has some kind of limit on how many times it can hit per second
>saw a doorman buy headshot items
>>540824612His bullets are the size of trains he can hit insane headshot rates
>>540823771>go up to a walker>press ult>turn 360 degrees and twirl away>repeatits kind of funny how Valve didn't foresee that interaction, but I think we expect too much from people who vibe code their MMR system
>>540813950mirage is not an anti-rat character because rats can melt walkers by the time he has teleported in and began trying to DPS them down
>>540824383he asking how to build shiv not counter>>540824287spirit build is escalating + boundless with some spell lifesteal. You can go deeper with spirit burn but it's usually a better idea to buy some disables (slowing hex//knockdown) because no one on your team will ever buy them. I personally prefer torment pulse with trans cooldown in this build but not mandatory. Torment Pulse is actually pretty based because if the enemy is just barely over the threshold to dunk them, the taze will put them under it as you fly at them. Spirit takes a long time to come fully online. Get extra charge early but upgrade it very late, nearly last. gun build is just normal gun stuff but you never skip burst fire because you can perpetually slide backwards with your alt fireif you want to build tank because the game gave you all squishies expecting you to be the only front liner, you shouldn't need much advice on how to make that work, just brool and live long enough to have your friends bring the enemy into dunk threshold
>Ready to get some air-ACCCKKKKK!!!
>>540805587Its the movement. The game out of the gate has a huge movement creep problem. In conjuction with the moba game mode, it leads to excessive brooling, deathballing death matches They could make the map even bigger but that would feel like shit for the new player experience. I think they will probably rework the stam system and give costs to many more actionsOn a slightly related note I think a player with good movement could abuse the shit out of mcginnis. Its supposed to be her "weakness" but its not really
>>540825261For tank shiv I find i can crutch on Escalating for dmg and just build vit
>>540824064>>540823771They don't nerf or buff solely based on winrate retard. Everyone has been calling for it so yes expect a nerf.
you should be able to parry the walker stomp.fucking hate it when i try to bait it out so i can get up close to the walker to do more damage and it never fucking comes out.characters with iframes get to just dodge that shit for free.
>>540825813The walkers are already made of paper and as threatening as a toddler with a capgun. Do you really need free parries on top of that
>>540825813you are not raiden
>>540825945i would settle on taking the damage buf blocking the stun on parry at least.wasn't there a leak the other day saying that walkers are going to lose the stomp anyways?
>>54082625418 minute loss?
>>54082632424
>>540826254most pathetic screenshot ive ever seen
Your eternus haze, sir
>>540826626huge trans CD//CS farming combo to buy utterly useless items and run out of slots , I kneel
>>540826259>walkers are going to lose the stomp anywaysMaking walkers even more useless piles of trash more useless sounds kind of aids.
>>540825645>people are actually fighting the other players in the competitive multiplayer game instead of jerking off creeping for 20-40 minutes and then ending after 1 fightdotards really are this stupid
>>540827128Im just saying that's why it doesnt really work as a moba, it would be fine in another game modeParagon/overprime has similar issues at certain times, the rotates were too fast and it hurt the strategy and became very arcadey
>>540827921>it's not a moba if you aren't training in the hyperbolic time chaber for longer then a dbz ep before you start playing the game
this is gonna sound like schizo/skill issue but are there parry scripts in this game now or something it feels like people parry light melees consistently but if i sit in their face to try and bait it they never bite
>>540828142I know this is a hot topic and I myself prefer free movement games but yes, mobas rotations are intrinsic to the game
>>540825945Honestly I'm with anon on this. Walkers need like 4x their current HP. Debate me.
>>540828690There are parry scripts
Another loss, but this felt like a fair match, so I'm not mad.
>>540829049just need to change the mechanic where walkers are less vulnerable when multiple people are around to be the exact oppositemake ratting them near impossible, but make them a siege objective where a massive brool has to be occurring for it to be taken down
>>540829594>make ratting impossibleNo. t. Rat
>>540817932cheats or adderal
>>540829049Maybe vs players but creeps should fuck them up harder.
>>540817932Post build but probably you dont respect the greens
Anyone else feel like the matchmaking isn't as horrible as it's made out to be? Outside of initiate 1 at least. I've been seeker for the last month but finally when I got the hang of the game I quickly climbed all the way to ritualist. I dont know how they can solve the "brand new player feeding a lane" problem because there arent going to be 12 brand new people to find a game in a reasonable amount of time. And I've won games where two brand new people were on my side and died like 30 times. Maybe the game is just fucked due to snowballing moba mechanics not working in a shooter and it's not the matchmaking?>>540824471The cooldown is how much stamina you have
>>540796432structures need more hp, waves need to advance slower, lanes might need to be larger.
>>540817932My guess is that you are standing too still/moving too predictably and that's why your accuracy is good. You are not dodging and moving weirdly youre just trying to out aim them which lets you get hit by all their spells and bullets
>>540830828People call MM busted due to heavy amount of initiate players compared to everyone else. I think MM is fine because most people are dogshit at this game.
>>540831261the problem is that rank decay has no limit, you could have been eternus and put into initiate because you stopped playing for a few months
>>540831261i don't think you understand how rank distribution theoretically works (in the general sense) on a fundamental level. because putting all those players in one rank makes no sense at all even if you can broadly say that they all are not macro gods who know every item, there is still insane skill differential among that group of players.
on hit champs shouldn't be able to solo both champs and objectives
>>540802402just put the whole tf2 cast into deadlock minus sniper+spy.
>>540831519it matches using the hidden MMR value and not the rank icon anyway
>>540816796haze is honest.
>>540831568some kind of different take on a "spy" character would be pretty cool. like putting fake icons on the minimap- attach a beacon to a creep and to the enemy it looks like your Wraith is going up to rat your blue walker!!>>540831651it still doesn't do a good job at it, of course.
>>540830785No particular build, this is across every hero. And I always buy greens. All my builds have a slot dedicated to situational resilience, maybe Debuff Remover, and many use Fortitude. I probably just don't know how to dodge.
This retarded game keeps pairing me with the biggest mouthbreathers when trying out new characters and it's infiuriating, can I have ONE(1) game that is at least even so I can figure out how to play this character and not a 40k soul difference stomp?
>>540826626>forti/dlg/ approved build
>>540826254HOLY BASED
>>540832219play with bots if you have literally never played a character
Dumb fuck retarded russian lobotomite fucking moron teammates why the fuck do non of our carries build antiheal FOR THE FUCKING 15K UP VICTOR HE WAS THE ONLY REASON WE COULDNT WIN.
>>540832140Do you have a shooter background? I see a lot of people who just stand in the open and dont slice the pie
please teach deadcocks dota's concept of roleseveryone building like they're the main character and bringing no utility is driving me insane
Leech or Infuser on Victor?>>540834062>see like 2:6 ratio of support:damage Paige's.
>>540834062deadlock doesn't really have "support", "jungler", "mid", "offlaner", etc. roles thoughthe resemblance is only superficial
>>540834062building support as a soloQ will bring only pain and suffering.
>>540834062t. Guy with no utility
>>540833789Hardly. My most played shooters are Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers 2, and Ultrakill.
Echo shard rush on Doorman is the way, your damage falls off somewhat after early game but if you rush echo shard it provides so much utility, double carting someone is essentially a confirmed kill which still leaves you your ult to take someone else out of the fight. You can effectively make every fight a 4v6.
>>540834062But wouldn't you want 6 carry in game?That way no matter who died, the fight still goes on.
>>540834707It’s unfortunate that you basically have to pivot to a disruptive late game despite having such a strong early-mid.
>>540820870I like her, I just want to know what actually happened in Macomb besides crumb trails that pretty much amount to “ a lotta people died”
>>5408351466 carries vs 6 carries sounds bland as fuck.
>>540835374you kinda have to balance him that way because he can straight up remove one character from the teamfight for its entire durationif hes also capable of carrying by himself than you get something like Doombringer before nerfs
>>540834356that's why dota's perspective on roles is better than leagues. dota bases it on farm priority >position 1 = gets all the farm>position 3 = gets some farm>position 5 = gets no farmposition 1's job would be to get giga farmed and close out the game with big huge items. 2-3 would be to make plays and get things done in the mid game. 4-5 would support the rest of the team and build to be force multipliers or counter the enemydeadlock players all scramble around scraping up whatever resources they can or throwing their face into brools on a whim
>>540835574the reason support doesn't really work in deadlock is due to 2 reasons:no passive soul incomesouls are tied to xpsay, in DOTA2, a support can be basically almost naked and still have some impact, along with babysitting the carry early game, granting vision, etc.none of those things exist in deadlocka naked Paige is just going to get 1shot by the 60k Haze before she can even get a single cast off
How is gun doorman? Or a late game gun pivot from spirit?
ricochet mina - meme or good?
>>540835796with how much cc they provide that’s fairThey should be oneshot unironically
>>540835995funnily enough, most of the CC in the game is in a hardcarry's kit
An ARAM mode would really help people learn the game and try out heroes without griefing a 30 minute match in initiate.
>>540836826bots but yeah I get peoples ego prevents them from doing them.
>>540835796there are save items, disables, and trophy hunter. alongside cheap survival items like reactive barrier and the shielding items, there's space itemization wise for supportsthe main reason supports don't exist is that there isn't anything for supports to do. pretty much the only plays to make other than farm is take fights. because there's no wards or fog of war, map control isn't a thing in the same way it's a thing in traditional mobas. you can invade their jungle and hunt people farming, but then what? your only option is to brool down a lanethe closest thing we get to team strategy is 2 people afk farm while everyone else brools, or everyone afk farms and 1 person split pushes. even then that's not common. most teams are 6 apes stealing off each other's plate and then going ballistic on the lost toddler who wandered down their lane and fell into their enclosure
>>540836946I feel bots don’t help much because you don’t really learn anything besides what your four abilities doThey should add harder bots
>>540836946bots dont teach you shit and it's boring
>>540824064>muh winratesHave you considered applying for a job at Gaijin?Go play War Thunder for any extended period of time then try to come back here and tell everyone with a straight face that balancing based off winrates is good for a game.
>>540837172kind of just paraphrasing what I said but yes Deadlock only resembles ASSFAGGOTS on a surface level, it's a quite different game in reality
>>540835908I saw it once and it seemed really OP. Like it seemed like it'd need a hotfix nerf if the community caught on, he was running around onetapping everyone with MB1 and didn't even have bell leveled all game.I'll have to go back and get his build, it was just the one incident though
>>540837413deadlock is fun as fuck but I do wish it had more strategic depth
sinner machine sounds like me jacking offoooooooh oooooooooh OOOOOOOOOOH
Sometimes I feel like I’m playing box to box helping every lane but there’s always one open lane on our side that some backdooring worm on the other team has managed to push hard onto and it makes me wonder what my team is defending
>>540837263To be fair that's all arams teach you too.
>>540837821>defendingdefense?
>>540837812I should make a mod to replace the sounds with AAAAAAAAARGH from gachihttp://soundboard.ass-we-can.com/static/music/BillyH/AAAAAAAH.mp3
>>540838049>>540838049>>540838049
>>540837812It moans? I just hear ghastly sounds
>>540837263They aren't there to teach you anything, they are there to get you used to how playing the hero 'feels'.>bullet velocity>cd duration>power spikes on items>etc
>>540838389and learning the map
>>540833392at least 2 people on the team need antiheal so it stacks to a significant degree on him, and it needs to be constant such as crippling headshot and healbane, otherwise he debuff removes it
>>540833392Calling it; Viktor will be a problem child for this game if his kit stays the same for years.
what am I supposed to do when left lane feeds 20 kills before laning phase is over and the two of them managed to be 4/32/4 by the end of the game? How are we meant to win.
