Previous thread: >>540086696 Featured game by thumbnail: Tales of Mal'Eyal 4 >Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread? Generally yes, especially if you are straight, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too >Is Elin/Elona allowed? Yes, they are roguelikes >Is Dwarf Fortress allowed? If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though >FAQ https://l.idrix.fr/J7sOv >What to Play https://l.idrix.fr/eYNOh >Individual Game Pastas https://l.idrix.fr/wXd8t >Roguelike Archive (Collection of pretty much every free roguelike there is) https://archive.org/details/ArchiveRL.7z >/rlg/'s "official" Cataclysm: DDA fork https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases >News26 Sep 2025 - Rogue Operator: Trinity v0.5 released18 Sep 2025 - Shamogu v1.0.0 released Itch.io14 Sep 2025 - Steam Sky 11.0.5 released11 Sep 2025 - Sulphur Memories: Alchemist 0.4.1 released6 Sep 2025 - Diabaig v1.0.0 released >/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account User: rlgrobin Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua) Roguelike Servers https://angband.live/ (Angband and variants)
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>>540907925>>540908259Can't believe you fagposted this in both threads, lmao
>>540908660The roguelite poster is copying shit over because xhe is retarded and wants to bait people.
What's with the sudden influx of schizos lately?
>>540909907I think the saddest part is that this schizo has beef with a dead general of all the places.I don't think it's a new schizo.
>been trying MfSh for a while now>I was hard walled mid lair last week>now I can't get past d5 90% of the timeWhat's going on here? There really shouldn't be very much variation, the entire time I've been going armorless, unarmed, and not using spells. Is there really this much variance in RNG, or am I actually somehow getting much worse at the game?I tested out a DEFE just to check and made it to one rune before faulting with little difficulty but that's a really different playstyle so I don't know if it means anything.
>>540910103It seems the new versions buffed up the early dungeon floors and sometimes you get completely shat on if you're mindlessly otabbing.I've been trying to get into Depths for a week and only once I could. But it was because I've been playing like shit and disrespecting everything like in the good ol' days, and feels like I need to lose that part of my muscle memory to advance further.
I will ascend roguelikes narratively
ragu
>make thread>thread is "bait" because the retards don't approve of it (drama queens want to make the thread)justice for my nigga >>540905945
>>540795358 (Cross-thread)Respen isn't subtractive, it's multiplicative.50% lightning respen vs. 67% lightning res67 * 0.5 = ~33 lightning resif he dealt 1k damage in one instance to you, you'd take (1000 * (1 - 0.33)) damage, or 670 damageYou took 2/3 of what you'd normally take which is non-negligiblelightning res isn't bad to have just in case you get caught off guard or can't keep 100% downtime on disabling him but it should not be the primary defensive strategyThe main thing is to get 100% stun+daze resistance by either forging quartz onto rings or getting lucky with shops+drops, or doing both. His primary damage source stems from a debuff that he can apply when landing any Lightning attack. Usually I can get 100% stun+daze res on gear before Dreadfell which is when you're supposed to fight Urkis. Usually taking him on after first prodigy is wise.
I require new H roguelikes
>>540915381Story roguelikes are shit
>>540931160What H roguelikes have you played?
>>540931160Be the change you wanna see, go make an H roguelike
>>540931160Silksong
>>540933160Maidensnow Eve, D&P, and uhhhhhhhhhhh
>>540934936Can you get me links?
>>540939538It's on the bin
>>540939908Oh nice, do any of them dip into the life sim/sandbox territory or are they all more just dungeon crawlers?
>>540940274Elona/Elin are sandbox + dungeon crawlMaidensnow Eve is just dungeon crawl
>>540940615>Elona/Elin are sandbox + dungeon crawlI know which is why I'm asking if any of the H roguelikes are like them, I want to play Harem Harvest Moon.
>>540940832Still waiting for sex animation mods to come out
>>540909907>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lately
>schizos leaves>thread dieslmao
>>540952039Who exactly is the schizo here?
uh huh
Friend got me to pick up Barony and it's fun enough for friendslop.The movement & kiting mechanics don't seem like the kind of thing that could be ported to a proper roguelike, but the leveling and item durability would make for a decent mini roguelike imoAny games that do this?
>>540959680I think most roguelikes have some form of leveling up. tome4 has extensive class system. Too many classes for its own good maybe.idk about item durability. DDA probably has it. DCSS has wands.
>Elin talkNow I'm reinstallingThis is gonna be a shitshow to get back in to
>>540960129To be more specific, Barony has several skills that range from 0 to 100, but rather than accruing experience points they just have a % chance to increase by 1 whenever you use the skill.Similarly, every item (nearly all of them track durability) has a % chance to lose durability when you use it. It's simple and works great for a small scale game like this
>>540953420Personally I feel it's the guy who made two additional /rlg/ threads just to shitpost.
>>540960432DCSS has a skill training system where exp you gain are allocated to skills in training, which is probably the closest.
Hordes 2.0 came to DDA, what's baby nights doing?>buffing players x10000Oh right.
>>540159108For me its Dread Helm + Red Axe. If I can get these two, I know I can rape the King if I can get into melee rangeNeeded Albaz, Phoenix, Pyromaniac, and Path of Fire wins so I threw this thing together and pretty sure I got carried by the items
>>540964359You are supposed to show stats.
>>540967042Does it matter?
>>540967202Yes.
What's the appeal of Path of Asscrack?
>>540968754Build autism like diablo games without any reflex or time sunk
>>540970414emphasis on without any reflex
>>540968754Build autism + streamlined gameplay so you can get some of that roguelike fix in like 20-30 minutes
>>540958318hopefully they actually make it difficult
>>540959680I wanna say, uh... Slimy Lichmummy does durability?The sort of shitty one- The Last Door -has a criminal durability system but it's not great.
Looks like Jupiter Hell Classic is now worth buying. It got an update with more content on it and it doesn't feel like you're playing a beta access game anymore.
>>540967202How else do you get bragging rights?
>>540897429I play on 300-400% monster spawns and have sat on rooftops making sticks to resume stabbing zombie hordes with. I have seen basic zombies break window walls and collapse small parts of the roof, which is trivial to avoid. I have never once seen a basic zombie get to the rooftop. What mechanic enables it?
>>540992689I just thought people would be more interested in the random generated poem than the actual highlights of how well the build performed. That's the only reason I posted it in the first place. Because I like cocks so much.
WE'RE IN HERE>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945
>>540997382Fuck off, retard.
>>540997382Maybe the faggot should've updated the >News section if they wanted to start a new general thread so badHave some fuckin standards
Jesus fucking christ I thought the Vor pride was uniquely rough, but Rakshor blasted me up the ass too. If not for Unstoppable and a bunch of OP healing options I would have died. I can't imagine waltzing into this on Insane or on Roguelike mode.
>>540995847To be honest I never read the stats screen and forgot to cap it before I had clicked past itWould have liked to know how many Divine Interventions I triggered, if I remember right it was a LOT. Before I got Red Axe + Dread Helm near the end of the first map I was barely hanging. Took Vigor for most of my level ups for the full heal.
>>540998845Those last dungeons get pretty wild with the damage spikes they reach, and some of them even have motherfuckers at the very entrance waiting you to oneshot you immediately after you press a button.You really have to prepare for everything before entering this part of the game.
Any good dreamer builds for PoA?
>>541001269Imp Sorcerer Dreamer of MehtahRedeal chain or bust, Ice Form+Mirror Image is not bad.Ask if you don't know how to Redeal yet.You could do Priest instead of Sorcerer maybe, it's extra busted if you can do a form-swap chain.Mehtar isn't great either, Agara or Eresh are probably baller pickups.
Alright, I ended up finging al of the best transformation talismans here at Elves 3.Roxanne drops Statue Form and Bai Suzhen drops Dragon Form, both guaranteed. Storm Form is really fucking solid, giving some insane evasion and even giving a bit of AC, but the real deal of this form is the amount of damage it shits out per second. It has cleave, which isn't that important now that I'm playing with the Wu-Tang Clan and those dudes already give you cleaving if you move around the targets, but it also gives you a blink that repositions your ass near someone you want to kill, blasts everyone on the line of said blink and recharges pretty quickly too. And you can even use Serpent's Lash after it to ensure you're killing whatever you're near in a couple of moves.I'm only lacking the Death Form talisman before I tackle extended, but last time I cleared all Hells with Statue Form and Pan with Sphinx Form, so I don't know.I'll try not to die to Tomb again this time around.
>>541001269I like doing frostpulse personally
Actually I wasn't quite satisfied with the items I rolled, so I ran it back
Oh DCSS players of the general, is this a retarded skill allocation?(The amulet is -tele, rElec, regenMP+, Int/Dex +3)I found Poisonous Vapors to go with the Alchemy Staff (which I think is pretty strong without investment) and I want to try getting Permafrost Eruption castable since I found Boots of Earth +1 already.
>>541008297Seems like the Abyss had a way to stop me from winning.If they can't kill me, they're just gonna hold me in here forever.I've been pressing the wait button for like 5 minutes and nothing has happened.Let me out.LET ME OUT
>>541015010You're trying to boost too many skills at once. You gotta focus on one thing you want to do at the start, because that's the thing that will let you kill and, more importantly, to not get killed.Permafrost Erupion is not only an Earth spell, but also Ice, and it's also a level 6 one so it's not gonna be online for a looooong time, so I'd suggest you traet those boots as a normal +1 pair of boots.Poisonous Vapour are pretty easy to cast and they don't do much if you get their power up, so only get a level in Alchemy and Spellcasting to get it online. I don't think it's a good investment of early exp, but it's not that much and it's basically a guaranteed poison on some dangerous things like early scorpions and ogres.
>>541015095Another reason to hoard tele scrolls I guess.
>>541016427I ended up digging my way out with a wand that I didn't want to use because I wasn't expecting to be betrayed and trapped in the Abyss for 10,000 turns.
Geez Louise this is fucking tense. Admittedly, this has been MUCH easier than my Paradox Mage run; basically cruise control to cool. I know PM is insanely strong, but at my low level of game knowledge there's a world of difference between juggling dmg reduction buffs while squishy and needing to do convoluted combos to do damage vs just naturally being tanky and regenerative. It's also much more obvious what kind of tier 5 gear is good on Berserker for me. So as I did the prides I got stronger and stronger until, while threatening, they were very manageable. Basically no idea what the high peaks are going to be like though.
>>541021752good luck
>>541022780It's that easy.I'm so fucking pumped. It's so rare for me to beat a roguelike. Sure, this is on Adventure difficulty, and I just got a ton of cracked Berserker loot that carried me, but I did it. like 25~ hours on this character. Amazing. Can't believe it happened when on a run I started just to unlock Oozemancer.Thanks to everyone who provided tips here, it helped a lot.
>>541027212gjInsane/roguelike berserker won't be fun at all I can assure you
>>541027335Heh, I probably won't play Berserker ever again. I just played it since it was the first class I had played and I was a bit curious what it'd feel like with a proper built. Answer: It's kind of cool but I don't like how low their damage is. Being literally incapable of fighting bulwarks half the time fucking sucks.
>>541029221Bulwarks and Demonologists will counter most weapon classes, not just Berserker because that's just how effective armor is; you need armor pen or just gratuitous amount of stats to bypass their armor.That said, Berserker is definitely a low damage class. Most melees do more than twice the damage of this class.I hope you tried Flexible Combat prodigy, it's a massive damage boost to all melees.
do you guys talk about relevant games or just oldshit no one plays anymore
>>541029518Name a game and we'll tell you if it's welcome. Pretty simple, yeah?
>>541027212GG anon. Any plans on trying a higher difficulty?
Is gensoband good?
>>541031147Yeah, I want to get an insane win I think, though that might be pretty hard. I also want to play each class at least once since each one seems so cool and fun. Though that will be very time-consuming.
>>541033741It's a *band game, if you enjoy those and enjoy 2hu, you're gonna have a good time.*bands are a bit difficult to get into tho, so be prepared.
>>541002842>>541011862Interesting.
>>541037059I've never played a *band, why is it hard to get into?
>>541041134You need to keep some of the stat screens open up in other windows for most of them, instead of having all of the info on the same window of the game, for one.It's also all ASCII which can be hard to get used to if you've been playing modern roguelikes with graphic tiles.Other than that, they tend to be pretty long, with a lot of ways to get you killed out of nowhere if you don't spoil yourself beforehand, but that could be true of a lot of games in the genre so that one gets a pass.
>Remember I didn't set Contingency>Spend a turn to activate it for this unique fight>Misclick the spell I want>Turn it off>That costs a turn btw>Misclick a spell>Misaim a second spell>Press the wrong button for another spell>So flustered I don't realize the enemy threw a shield up at 2%>ownfaultI hate this fucking game
>>541044862You have to admit, it's impressive to have such extreme mechanical failure in a turn based game with infinite time to make choices.
>>541029518I think you already know the answer. Look inside your heart.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3602290/FEMBOY_FUTA_HOUSE/ found it
>>541048898>it's realkek, I kinda thought that guy made a fake zip file to put in his screenshot, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised
>>541044862what game?
>>541050021ToME4
>>541050021Tales of M-preg E-girls 4
>>541045509At no point did I consider my own life could be in danger. Truly the ultimate brainrotter
>>540920101Is this the viorated version?
trying to control the game with the mouse in ascii tiles is total dogshit jesus fuck
>>541052467what game
>>541052494dwarf fortress
>>541052467i sure wish tarn didnt fucking nuke keyboard controls from the game entirely and redesign the game around gaudy graphics that make fortresses look empty as hell
>>541052467It's honestly impressive how he somehow managed to make the UI worse.
>>541053129it's fine in graphical mode i guess but its pretty borked in ascii mode. Windows with tabs you have to click on look ugly as hell, mouse control means you frequently fuck up when trying to click the tiny tiles to designate things, and some screens/buttons straight up dont even have text but they do in graphical mode
Dwarf Fortress has fallen...Billions must Rimworld
horror game roguelikes
>>541056667I really wish there were proper horror roguelikes. Closest ive seen is unexpected skeletal juggernaut/Kraken jumpscare on cataclysm tiles. So much untapped potential.
How would you go about making a turn based game with no animations scary though. There are definitely tense situations in roguelikes, but I don't think I've ever felt any fear beyond fear of losing my run
>>541056667>Infra Arcana Pumps hard, no notes. Pretty difficult, too.>Door in the WoodsI regret every playing it. Piss poor performance (how the fuck do you make an ascii tileset this badly??), mediocre gameplay, no end state in mind- Just a stack of shitty meta-progression mechanics.>CataclysmThe only thing scary about it is how tedious and unfun it is to play. Maybe do something about there being 900 crafting recipes to scroll through, you fuckin losers. You don't need this much granularity and tedium.>QuasimorphThe premise is scary, the setting is gory, the gameplay is... Ok. One leg out of the roguelike genre already, I think the faction system is big gay>Roguelegends: Dark RealmsGood candidate for Spooktober. Everyone download it and meet back in 24 hours to discuss
>>541058967Oh, almost forgor>DRL/JH/JHCI don't really get the DRL/JHC dichotomy- Apparently the dev feels upsetti that he had to make the more widely appealing Jupiter Hell to not starve to death/get away from the Doom IP and The Visionâ„¢ is a nittier grittier harderer game.Not spooky. Just horror themed. Great game(s)
>>541056667how can you be scared in a turn based game
>Horrible undead monster>Its an "L"
>>540961158Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your base? I've been thinking of giving pocket simulator another run but DDA's in-base FPS death feels even worse than late stage DF.And have they added an auto-heat-frozen-food system yet or do they still expect you to manually unfreeze everything when you're hungry while reading/crafting in your base?
>>541059214Unkillable monster/psycho killer relentlessly pursue you during the entire game
>>541059852Only if it pops into your vision with absolutely no warning, then fucks off for a while. If you see it and it just murders you, that ruins all the tension. You see and get murdered by a lot of enemies in roguelikes. It'd also be really funny if it followed you around the dungeon and closed doors.
>>541058913Spooky sounds and music or lack of it, light as an actual big mechanic, gritty and scary graphics (pure ascii just isnt scary sorry), survival and puzzle type of gameplay over pure action where each enemy has specific weaknesses and interactions with the elements of the game.The eventuality is always that no matter how scary you make a game people grow accustomed to doing the same content over and over so you should try to sprinkle in a bunch of rare random events and enemies that completely fuck with player's expectations and understanding of the game's rules.Good example of this would be Quiet Farmstead in CDDA where instead of the usual location full of enemies that you can just blast trough with your gigastatted chad, you walk into a location that looks suspiciously safe and empty at first glance that then traps you into a timed puzzle with warped enviroment and ominous messages about your character's approaching demise as you try to complete it and the only way to escape with your life is to finish the puzzle in time.TL;DR: Fear and Hunger but roguelike
Horror is inherently non roguelike. The latter expects you to replay the game over and over, while horror depends heavily on the first time experience.
horror is being in your 30s posting in the roguelike general
>>541060273That's terror.
>>541060273
>>541060324You have a single fact to black that ass up?
Does anyone have any tips for baby tank bastards in shiren sfc/snes? I can't seem to figure out how they operate. Like sometimes they'll move and shoot in the same turn but sometimes they just move and don't shoot.
>>541053616what I really want is the graphical UI on top of the ASCII map
>>541059616>thinking Kevin would do anything to make the game betterHordes 2.0 is just an excuse to lag and inconvenience the player more.
>>541059616>Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your baseYesI killed a bunch of Zs outside my house, dragged them all together to loot easier and the slowdown of their piled items was fucking ridiculousHad to make a burn pile
>>541058727Where do you encounter a kraken?
>>541065349in the sea (lake)
>>541029518there has been like 3 relevant games made in this genre in the past 10 years
>>541067808>relevant gamesI bet you can't name even one.
>>541029518Why would I talk to a pig about food? I don't consume slop and of course my finely crafted, albeit simple, meal is too far out of your comprehension as to why it is crafted that way. We have nothing to talk about.
is this the roguelike thread?
>>541073948I want to start a tome run but I know it's at least 25h before I can finish it and just turn it off instead.
>>541074429Why not give it an hour or two of your time and see if it sticks with you? I started Elona last month and accidentally put 80 hours into it. That game can teleport me across the day so quickly.
>>541074429what's the best way to play this on a 4k screen?i tried 200% font and half the ui wasn't upsized so you had the same tiny windows just with huge font.and now i'm trying 200% zoom and it's just fuzzy all over.
I savescum roguelikes, is that ok?
>walk around in the first area>kill some wolves and slimes>auto-explore is z, cool>find rock>behind rock are bees>suddenly i am a [bee] summoner
>>541074882There is some option that scales up ... tile size I think. It might say something like 32x32
>>541070373qud :)
looking at global chat, me and a couple other guys got this.i'm level 6.there's a lot of talents and i don't really know what's good. my guy started with two infusions and they've been saving my ass
>>541079065First public Qud release was 15 years ago.
>>541079550update: i died.went into some sort of magic tower and got surrounded by skeleton mages. i didn't have any form of escape.apparently this game has some chance to be brought back to life by void jesus, since i died about four times trying to get out of that room i foolishly entered. i wish i had a rocket launcher to just nuke that whole room instead of being forced into melee.
>>541056667
>>541060172>Playing Roguelike>Find puzzle>Take your infinite time to look up a spoiler because you don't want to splat after 12 hours on one character, like a responsible player
>>54106780890
>>541084486This is why streamlined strategy/tactics forward roguelikes like DCSS are what people play and spoilerfests are historical oddities to look at and call interesting, like a uranium glass bowl
>>541080334elin
>>541088714>sequel to an obscure Japanese child breeding simulator>"""relevant"""I mean yeah I can't come up with a real argument for why it wouldn't be. I'll have to give you that one.
>>541070373Cogmind(Shilling)Rift Wizard 1/2Jupiter HellPath of AchraStone Sh-Uh...Shattered Pixel?Quasimorph IS popular, even if the faction system is turbo gay. Not out though.Is Golden Krone out?
>>541041134It's like crawl's lategame resistances checklist, except the whole game is like that, and even moreso.
>>541079065>>541093627Elin currently has 5 times as many players on steam compared to Qud and twice as many compared to Dwarf Fortress.
>>541093627elin has more people playing it than the fighting games i play
>>541095909How do I resist raw magic?
Speaking of Elin, did they nerf flowers to bait?I noticed my arrows not decomposing.Hammering compost is still decent though
the music in ToME is a bit lackluster
>>541080798Ask voidbro to send you elsewhere, basically never respawn where you were. It puts all enemies back at max HP and puts you in the middle of them, which in 99.999% of cases is objectively worse than starting elsewhere (on the world map) and approaching on your own terms.
>>541106095thanks anon.is it better to take stat points or these talents for quest rewards? on the one hand, i'm cucked by stats for stuff like mastery. but on the other hand, new talents categories seem a hard to come by
>>541107783I'm not an expert, but it depends a lot on character and build. Much of the time you'll end up with 100~ effective points of your main stat, so the bonus here is not huge (5%~), whereas a talent can be character-morphing to some degree. So I usually try to study the talents hard and see if they can be useful to me in any way, and only if none can do I pick the stats.
>>541107783It depends on your class, but when in doubt, always pick whatever stats your class uses.If you find a Tinkerer class, that one's pretty good to unlock for anything you're playing as.Other notabe abilities you can consider if they get offered are Curse of Death/Impotence, Premonition, Chant of Fortress/Fortitude, Foresight, Track and Vitality. Nt all of these are a must pick (unlike Tinker tree which is always worth considering and investing into if you find it), but most of them do well by just picking them up without needing to synergize with anything else you might be building.
Chemistry worth picking ever for the salves? I see lots of items in the physics tree that can help my build but nothing in chemistry besides maybe salves. A lot of the resistances that you can get from chemistry gear my character eventually gets as immunities
>>541109431I think the Tinker is a one-time unlock and that guy doesn't show up after you unlock the class.
>>541110913Oh, right; you actually have to unlock that shit by doing some of the orc DLC campaign.It's pretty fucking good and worth going through that DLC up to that point if you have it tho.
>>541108105>>541109431is there some way in-game to tell how to unlock classes? no spoilers, please.so far i've only unlocked summoner, but it seemed pretty weak compared to shieldbro.i started as a human and used my category talent to add a rune slot for teleport. i'm deciding between a random 15-tile teleport and a 4-tile directed teleport.fun story, i didn't pick up the transmog chest in the tutorial fight so i was struggling with enc for a bit
>>541111334Hovering over the locked bit will give a hint. But not a very detailed one.In general, if you strive to "do everything," you'll unlock most things. Like doing every quest, doing every zone, killing hard enemies, etc. But there are some really tricky or niche ones.
>>541111334Nope, you just do quests and play the game and sometimes you unlock things.I'm not too fond of that concept, but at least it makes you play different things before you always roll the OP classes.
>>541059616>Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your base?it does lag, eventually. i have five or six tiles full of loot that's just dumped on the floor in my base, several followers working, and it feels like the game gets a little slow.but i don't really think it's a serious issue. opening the search nearby items menu takes about half a second once you have that many items but most games have that kind of delay anyway
>>540907597>If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes thoughThen which general do I post very dumb questions about the game? This isn't trolling, I did a ctrl-f and couldn't find anything under "Dwarf Fortress" besides here.
>>541117647There’s usually a thread up on /vst/
>>541117647last i checked, dwarf fortress thread was in >>>/trash/
>>541117647I think the Dwarf Fortress general got killed a while ago, I don't remember when.Not a lot of people play it here, so your question might take a while to be answered. I forgot to where they went, so check out the other videogame boards and see if you can find them in /vst/ or /vrpg/ or something.
>>541118209Oh, fantastic! Thank you so much, I forgot that was even a board. Haha!
>>541118342Most people do. I only look at them when there's nothing in here about a particular game.
>>541100789It's been nerfed for a while. From what I've heard is that it's still good, but not nearly as crazy as before. Another way to get a lot of raw compost is to make meat sculptures from corpses and dump them into the compost bin.
>>541121436>make meat sculptures from corpses and dump them into the compost bin.Sweet, I'll try that out.Always have bulk left over meat since I'm not levelling strength
>>541121906You don't even need to use fresh meat, you can just keep a mass grave next to your sculpting bench and make the sculptures out of rotten meat whenever you need more bait.
soulash? soulash ii?
>>541117647Honestly it's fine if you just post here.There's also /civ4xg/ (it has strategy games and city builders, not just civ) and /indie/, and there are often threads in >>>/vst/
>>541117647just post in the rimworld general, it's basically the same game
>failed to save the real threadI'm disappointed s-m-h
>he wanted to save the threadyou can't even get the word filter right
>>541128513If you're so vindictive about people using a thread to talk abut roguelikes to the point of creating a second one just to spite 7 people on the internet, I can only recommend you to step away from the computer for a while, go take a bit of sun and breath some fresh air.
>>541056667Every roguelike is a horror game.>extremely punishing fail condition>every enemy can kill you>entire game is exploring a pitch black dungeon full of horrible monsters>incredibly stressful and difficult even while being turn basedAn fps realtime version of a roguelike would be heartattack inducingly stressful. Even the first person nethack mods are kinda spooky. Actually that's something we could use, more first person roguelikes with sprites. Not lites either, the same exact gameplay only it's 2.5/3d. It's much more fun to explore mazes from the ground, and everything can look much cooler and more detailed when it doesn't have to be tiny tiles.
>>541130072The main issue there is in information. While it might be more tactile, it means that a monser right next to you takes up 90% of the possible pixels on screen, leaving 10% to communicate every remaining enemy to you. Might be some way to make it work, probably by making interaction with that single monster more involved, but that's a change in gameplay.
>>541117647>>541118209>>541118269>>541118305genuinely dont get the point of gatekeeping df out of the rlg threads when its considered to be a major pillar of the trad roguelike genre at this point. Yeah, it doesnt play exactly like coq or angband or whatever but to say it's not a roguelike is silly and just keeps people out of the thread based on a "definition" that people who play roguelikes havent been able to agree on for 30+ years anyway
>>541130668bodyblocking and sightlines would obviously be more important, as would lighting.I think it would be a neat effect. Smaller more common enemies would be shorter and narrower, letting you easily look around and see most of everything if you're fighting say orcs or wolves, but then giant horror monstrosities from hell or dragons bodyblock half the screen and are basically walking walls of flesh. It's a good contrast, especially if the goal is a horror game. There's also the unique possibility of adding in vertical features if you go 3d. Actual staircases/bridges/flying/swimming. Really impractical and difficult top down, very easy and natural in first person.
>>541130972you are confused because most of what you said is entirely made up, by you, for you. and doesn't survive an encounter with reality
What's the go with these symbols?Last time I played they weren't there
>>541130972Ignore this fucker, it's not the guy that was asking about Dorf Fort.I was about to type an actual response before catching that.
>>541130972It's not gatekeeping, the adventure mode of DF is just so incredibly shallow and almost unplayable that no one outside of the DF general has any experience with it.
>>541131419>>541131446>>541131554elitist ass general holy fuck
>he hated them because the told the truth
>>541133935>we don't know that one>elitistIf you have the knowledge, then answer the questions. Simple as.Probably, someone DOES have the knowledge, but no questions have actually been asked, so none have been answered. It's rather hand to gatekeep something which isn't trying to get in in the first place.
>>541134443You're responding to ragebait made to bump up the thread bro. Don't think too much about it.
>>541135026Regardless of the intentions of the speaker, I have opinions on the topic.So I state them.Don't give two fleas that he's bullshittin. It's not my problem.
>>541052467It's fine if you tweak the colorscheme to the old one or anything not completely eye-blasting and designating with the mouse isnt horrible after you get used to it but the no text on certain buttons is obviously a problem.
>>541135232nobody asked
>USB devices not recognizedYeah I'm not turning on tome4 again
>>541122661More like soulass lmao
>about to die>level up>suddenly fully healed, win the fighttome is like one of those korean mangas
>>541147687Pretty sure Jupiter Hell was made in some kind of custom engine. Probably something made from scratch.
>>541148798ignore that I switched to the roguelike discord and didn't realize
>>541130972>genuinely dont get the point of gatekeepingOf course a parasite would say this
roguelikes?
>gatekeeping your hobby is le bad
>>541155564I agree with your side and that image is an embarrassment.
>>541056667This game is coming out soon https://store.steampowered.com/app/2005870/House_of_Necrosis/
>>541155564>gatekeeping your hobby worksEvery single decision concerning "what you like" is dependant on the governing authority.This isn't Sunday poker, you can't gatekeep shit when thousands if not millions of people are involved.
>>541157382You think millions of people are involved with rougelikes?
>>541157703Not like I expected a response that wasn't retarded.
>>541158240Make a retarded point, get a retarded counterpoint
>>541158240Oh, you wanted a NOT retarded point. Sorry, that didn't seem to be what you were going for, so I settled for prompting you to continue.Zero decisions concerning what I like are dependent on any authority at all. If an authority decided that steak was made of sawdust, I would still like steak. The steak I like would still be made of meat. The steak I like would just be a different concept from the steak the authority governed. An alteration of an external concept does not alter an internal concept.The topic wasn't "does it work" the topic is "is it good". The midpoint between those is "is it worth doing", but that's a conversation for after you've decided how good, how effective, and how expensive it is. Switching between the three freely just halts all possibility of meaningful and not retarded conversation. While it's true that you can't halt the flow of millions of people choosing to do things which they enjoy. Gatekeeping people out of playing dwarf fortress seems really really hard. Even gatekeeping people out of calling DF fortress mode a rougelike would be basically impossible if they all decided to do that, because you can't gatekeep other people out of their own actions, particularly when they will never read what you say. You can gatekeep what discussion you willingly engage in on a tiny thread, cause that's not hard, and that's the gatekeeping in question.Now I'm going to go gatekeep a glass of water into my body, and I'm going to do it despite the fact that thousands of people, if not hundreds, are involved with water.
>>541160440>While it's true that you can't halt the flow of millions of people choosing to do things which they enjoy. Gatekeeping people out of playing dwarf fortress seems really really hard. Even gatekeeping people out of calling DF fortress mode a rougelike would be basically impossible if they all decided to do that, because you can't gatekeep other people out of their own actions, particularly when they will never read what you say.So despite your retarded rant, you're agreeing with me.
>>541133986>>541134443>>541135026>>541135232>>541153104im just saying that gatekeeping df out of a roguelike space is wild when its been widely hailed as a triumph of the genre for decades at this point despite it's technical gameplay differences>https://youtu.be/4-7TtPX5uhg
>>541161560Aint nobody done thatit's in ur head bb boiThe OP straight up says it is allowed
>>541161439Well, I think gatekeeping my hobby works, and that that quote is true.
>>541161937no one plays df for the adventure mode lol
>>541162402Last five times I installed it I only played Adventure mode. Checkmate atheists.
You think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Top 5 methods to roguelike myself?
>>541166830How do you roguelike yourself?
How furry constitutes distressingly furry?
>>541166416Did the toad add adventure mode back to the steam release yet?
>>541166906Go to the city sewers pretending to be on a grand adventure, then lie face down in the water
>>541171131No, Tom Hanks, no!
>>541131419>and doesn't survive an encounter with realitySounds like me and my attempts to find an Arborus build that works.
Started playing this recently , you guys have any tips ?
>>541178790Just b urself
>>541178790Stop being a slavnigger
Why are mesugakis not popular anymore? Was it just a fad? Are virgins that insecure? Roguegaki/Gakilike when?
>>541185384This sounds like an /2dhg/ question
>>541185384There's still a decent amount of mesugaki content being released, you can find new releases fairly often on DLsite
Can someone provide sound, logical reasoning for classic roguelikes needing ETERNAL updates? Why can't they just be released, done and over with? Why do they always need "fixing"?The constant "updating" just seems to result in degeneration of the game's nature to suit a specific handful of players. I don't get it.
>>541189026Because most of the time the devs can't think of everything upon release. No human is perfect. And everything men creates is a work in progress in the first place.
>>541189026it's difficult to tell apart legitimate criticism from degeneration to suit suiting a specific handful.
>>541189026Because players become tired and bored of the same roguelike. You need to inject something completely new into the formula, infinite permutations can't fool the human brain from thinking it has already seen it all.
>>541178983>>541179093Hmm...
players are tired of roguelikes period
>>541193256roguetired should be a genreIt's like roguelike except the game plays itself and you only control the character at a higher level>decide if the character is a risk taker or a scaredy cat>decide which equipment the character goes into a dungeon with>decide the level ups
>>541193376So path of asscrack?
>>541193376All returns to cookie clicker
>>541189772No game is expected to be perfect. Some of the greatest games of all time aren't (e.g., TES III), but they're loved as long as they've got SOVL.>>541190246Then no changes should be made other than bugfixing.>>541191508There are myriads of RLs, and even more if we count forks. Which is the point: if you wanna change something, just make a new fork or whatever.
>>541193763Somewhat, but leaning heavily into you (the player) controlling an AI retard. The game provides knobs that allow you to tune, but never fully control the character's behavior.
>>541194237>There are myriads of RLs, and even more if we count forks. Which is the point: if you wanna change something, just make a new fork or whatever.Don't act obtuse over something this simple. You were talking about a singular roguelike getting updates, changing. That inherently implies things changing or staying the same within one project, one roguelike, and argument is about that and only that. 'Play a different game/fork' is not a valid respone because the developer of one roguelike, the only person in control of change, is the developer of only that one, specific game and only has interest in things concerning it. You, as a consumer, might hop onto a different thing if you want something different, he can only change that one thing he cares about. Expecting him to make a new fork/game for every change is absurd, especially since the same is achieved by you downloading an older build.Roguelikes get updates because the players want it, and therefore the developer wants it. Those few who don't can still play old builds. There, two different levels of 'why' answered, now stop asking dumb questions and play something.
necromancers seem interesting
>>541194237>Then no changes should be made other than bugfixing.that would result in a product which is overall worse
hmm i've played for a long time but barely got past the first bit.this seems to be a really long game
>>541196846The campaign is 25h long.If you have the orc DLC then the campaign there is 8h long
>>541196039>'Play a different game/fork' is not a valid respone because the developerThe post I replied to saying that was the one to mention players getting tired as the reason for the changes, which, as you yourself are implying and somehow thereby also contradicting yourself, has nothing to do with the game, but with their desire for something different/new; in which case they're welcome to try another RL, not arbitrarily deface an established one to fit their every want and need. Much like you're trying to do with my conversation: if you think it's dumb, ignore it and/or talk about anything else; no one's forcing you to reply, so why are you trying to force ME to stop posting? Likewise, audiences should force games to change for them. That happens with no other kind of game.>>541196610Nah, if you fix bugs, you improve it. If you change its mechanics for the fukkk of it, it's a different game.
>>541197172Shouldn't* force games to change for them.
>>541197172>Nahof course i am correct.not gonna bother to explain why because you are both clueless about this and also refuse explanations.
>>541197846>you are both clueless about this and also refuse explanations.You're describing yourself.
>>541198361i'm not the one asking for explanations, so no. it is not a description of me.
>>541197172It's a product, not a piece of art. It exists to bring entertainment to the consumer through gameplay. Regardless if you agree or disagree with that statement, it's value is derived from the observer and not in of itself. Maybe there is some metaphysical value from the latter but it bears no impact on what a customer desires and I can't be bothered to give a shit about what a bunch of code wants. In case the customer is someone like you: older builds. There is no impact of whether or not it changes to people like you who can just download the older, locked in time version. You already received few different answers why change happens on multiple levels.>The post I replied to saying that was the one to mention players getting tired as the reason for the changes, which, as you yourself are implying and somehow thereby also contradicting yourself, has nothing to do with the game, but with their desire for something different/newIt's not contradictory, what the players see is what the game is, and that something transforming from a new, fresh experience into a known, stale thing is the natural progression of everything. To dismiss this is to ignore reality of how things are, you are not working with a constant, eternal turnover of new customers that you can ignore what the current playerbase thinks and wants, and what the majority wants is more.>not arbitrarily deface an established one to fit their every want and needDescribing updates as defacing is purely on you, and AGAIN: old builds.>Much like you're trying to do with my conversation: if you think it's dumb, ignore it and/or talk about anything else; no one's forcing you to reply, so why are you trying to force ME to stop posting? Because you are doing a dumb thing, not the question, but shutting off the responses you dislike by being willfully ignorant and living in your own reality. You refuted no response in a satisfying manner but plowed through. It's and eyesore.
Can someone familiar with Brogue explain what a "machine" is and how it works?If not can you explain what a "horde" is?
>hit level 10 in tome without dyingi think i'm getting better
I know I'm bad but isn't Fire Elementalist a kind of weak start now? Maybe the era of Fireball in the starting book was too much, but I feel like all the good mage starts Cj, EE, IE etc have enough in the starting book to get through Lair, Orc and down to D:15 without getting any help but with FE I feel like I need something else just to safely get through Lair. I think maybe I'm not scumming with Blastmotes enough but I thought that's the kind of tediousness the nudevs were trying to avoid. Is it intentional suffering for how strong early game Foxfire is?
>spellblaze lorei like this kind of stuff. i like when roguelikes have lore i can investigate and nerd out about.
So about Brogue, the machines are chunks of code that tries to construct a sort of event (like a trapped altar with a statue that wakes or a goblin warren)https://github.com/tmewett/BrogueCE/blob/master/src/variants/GlobalsBrogue.cThis stuff is very interesting, I really should have spent time reading this a long time ago.
it's fine to give away artifacts for a quest, yeah?
>>541206490Blood of Undeath is pure upside
>>541206490neat. my second class unlock.>>541206540>read this post>quaff the blood>lose a ton of hp with no visible upsidei have been tricked
>>541206762You get negative HP more than the HP you lose.(In this game you don't die until your HP is lower than negative HP, which by default is 0 but this item lowers it further)
Will these cunts stop spawning or is this floor fucked 4ever ???
>>541193376Reminds me of NPC Quest. You just buy the equipment, pick a zone, and watch.
im so unbelievably dogshit at rift wizard 2, i always die despite picking seemingly good combos and i have no idea what im doing wrongim good at path of achra but i guess that doesn't transfer
yeah well he was weak. i would never die in a place like thatupdate: i died
>>541214056>>update: i diedall right i'm back
>>541216841>level 20we're gamingalso, apparently the bubbles on the map give you air and my previous death was entirely avoidable
>>541130972nobody is gatekeeping df outit's one guy
>>541156515the demo was fun, although missing a lot of the cool stuff from the trailer
>>541219252update: i died, voidbro didn't save me this time and holy shit archmage gets -4 hp/level?? ridiculous
>>541220126Archmage is weak to surprise attacks but it has a self healing spell that can crit, and a passive that makes a shield per point of damage you heal. In lategame with 80+% crit rate that means a 3000+ damage shieldregardless of class a piece of equipment that gives flat +30 hp is far and away better than +7% damage for your class's element or some other offensive effect for the first 25 or so levels. Mainly you'll find that on lanterns and cloaks
>>541176319The problem with Arborus is that it's a fuckin lead-weight albatross around your neck.Any build that wins WITH Arborus is a build that would've won without it.Trying to focus on making the actual treeform/summons work is suicidally impossible.
>>541193763There are plenty of PoA builds that lend themselves to optimal play not just being autotabbing, bud.Please get your opinions from someone besides Sseth
>>541194027I was just thinking anon was talking about idlers>>541213347Rift Wizard 2 has evolved to pure esoterica, I think the dev balance there tends more towards "degenerates to the preferences of a small niche of players" because... It'd be like if the PoA dev decided to nerf every successful combo because he wanted you to "engage with the mechanics and not just pick good powers" or something
>>541221098that does sound pretty good. i saw it in the perks when i was looking at it, but 3000 is a lot. my archmage died already, level one, ha... i made a bunch of mistakes, so i should try again.bulwark was great, i got about 100 armor with about 100 armor effectiveness... but ultimately got killed by a mage that chunked me for 300+ a bunch of times. i should have stayed clear of those areas until i got some form of magic defense online.in the base that i discovered, there were some things like 'training facilities' that needed energy. will i discover what that is on my own? no spoilers please
>>541223021Not... Really?If you've already explored the fortress and fucked off without figuring energy out, you're doomed to never figure it out yourself. If you wanna get into that, just go back and link your rod to the orb
>>541223748yeah i did that. it spawned the squid and i talked to him, he said not enough energy.i couldn't understand any of the writing, so maybe that's something i need to do.i'll go back there on a different character
>mfw anon thought it was a renamed zip file for the lulzNah dude, I'm just built wrong. Boardgame night is every Saturday, lemme know if you're a lesbian with big tits and you can join.
>>541210015Prolly. You're supposed to steal when you scouted out all of the map. Or git gud and steal via skills+hubroom.
Is there some reason this monster won't die? He's been at 0 HP for many turns now...
>>541058967Ok /rlg/ I DL'd Roguelegends Dark Realms and played it.Kind of ok. No tiles really got to me- I didn't used to mind, but I've kind of gotten spoiled with all these gorgeous tilesets lately. Shit sure looks nice when you ain't gotta fit it in a terminal output. The ASCII allocations didn't make much sense either. really. Monsters seem to be psuedo-rand-gen and you can reinitialize the world, maybe?No auto-explore seems pretty awful with the level design having those sort of... Craggy walls? You know the ones. Where you don't fully reveal every wall without doing some difficult snaking path to see one hidden tile.Spell system seems neat, though I only did two runs as apprentice. One run I was haunted by a "green dancer" who appeared at the end of a hallway- I moved away, which was the wrong answer as the "green mist surrounding you" turned red and she stalked me- Appearing at the edge of the vision range, fleeing and disappearing once they broke LoS. Very neat, wondering if I could've done a different action or if there was some ritual to appease them (it looked like there might be, according to a note I stumbled into in the second world)Might give it another shot tomorrow- I took a portal, ended up in an arena and crashed the game- There was some critter (a glassy eyed goblin, rag stuffed in his throat) that was keeping at the very edge of vision range and the game just flat out crashed when I used a Rune to Push another monster into it, so I feel like taking a break.The writing is 50/50. Some nice atmospheric spooky, unsettling stuff. Some "bad SCP interview log" word salad that's just some dogshit stream of consciousness "oooh the terrible secret you don't know but I do oooh it's so horrible boooo hooo whoooaaa"Did you do your homework, /rlg/? What'd you think of RL:DR?
>>541231389They use their mana as HP.
>>541189026The core of your thinking is incorrect. Developers are not thinking about the "best" thing to do, or what they "should" do. They are thinking about what they want to do. And often, what they want to do is spend time making the game they love. They enjoy tinkering with and expanding these games as a hobby so they do so. Obviously, if a dev is just thinking "what is the absolute best way to spend my time for making the best quality roguelike for an audience" then the answer would not be decades of feature creep. But that is not their perspective. And as players, there's not much we can tell devs about how they 'should' be motivated, no more so than we would listen to someone telling us playing roguelikes is a waste of our time. Everyone in the world is just doing what they want, or are being forced to do at gunpoint.
>tomewhat's with this town, zigur?it says you can't go in as a magic user, fine. i couldn't go in the last time because i had learned a spell from a magic escort and had mana. then, i couldn't go in as an archmage. fine. but now i don't have either of those.could it be... a rune i have...? says it's a spell.>that's what it washuh.>this quest will forever prohibit your character from using magicuhhhi like my blink tho
>>541194237>No game is expected to be perfect.So you get it. Humans strive for perfection and should always seek to improve what they do/what they make. It's how we progressed as a civilization
>>541234704>cannot equip: antimagic>cannot equip: antimagic>cannot equip: antimagic>cannot equip: antimagic>cannot equip: antimagicaaa what have i done it was supposed to just be spells, i didn't cast those anyway
>>541236772Antimagic is cool, but will make almost every character in the game worse for the reason you are now experiencing. A ton of great loot is powered by the arcane and you can't equip it now. You can still win with antimagic since it's strong and easy to use, but yeah.
>>541236772>journal of a halfling supremacistcheeky>>541237008yeah... i was so excited after getting it, too.by the way, should i be keeping uniques? i've been keeping them, ever since one counted as an 'artifact' for the mage town quest. but it's just deadweight, and it's not as if i have storage somewhere.
>>541239073It can be good to keep some uniques in case you want to swap to it later, but they aren't inherently valuable unto themselves. An example may be keeping around stuff with lightning resistance before going into a dungeon you know has a lot of lightning shit, or something.
>>541228438They are not really a problem , i was looking for a bbq on the earlier floors . And now i got one after like 7 floors yippe
>>541241307Ahh, god, I remember that. Absolute torture trying to interact with some mechanics. See them a half-dozen times when they're useless to you, spend an entire run unable to find more than one anvil another.
>>541203361You've got to spam inner fire. Everything in lair explodes into gore with a single tap of foxfire if you use it right.Blastmotes are just an escape route you setup before a fight.Also get rF+++ asap so you don't explode yourself. Once you have it you're totally invincible to everything that isn't fire immune.
what is going on in this thread
>>541243419Psyduck, I'll be honest.Daddy's about to kill himself.
>>541242531>haha FE sounds fun, maybe I'll try that out>+2 Fire on Mountain Dwarf? Sounds good, heavy armor too, that's neatI hate fucking nucrawl, everyone of my runs ends getting shafted several floors and I die before finding stairs up
>>541244316Dead to an adder ambushing me in a corridor with just foxfire, poisoned to death before I could get out to cast foxfire, even with blinkWhat a fucking joke
>>541241936The worst part is that they are not even marked on the minimap unlike anvils and quest statues . Also this game is taunting me with powerfull weapons i can use >:c
>>541244789I guess i should have complained sooner
>>541245998Based. You're gonna go all the way anon, I can tell
>>541244316honestly, skill issue.
Hey anons I'm looking for a roguelike game. At least it was roguelike in the sense of being ascii. It was about factions fighting for control of a city, the factions being angels, demons, cultists, the church, the military, maybe one or two more. The city was divided into sectors and different things happened each turn between combat missions. Cannot find it.
>king toknor the bravemore like king toknor the halfling-fucker
>>541248313Nexus War
>>541250494It was actually City of the Damned but thanks
i died again
>>541231513Can you still pick up a bug and lose max hp?
>>541225559What is 21 she tripped
>>541251301I'm sorry, I was shitposting anon. I don't deserve it.(I really miss Nexus War tho)
>>541257217I didn't bother renaming it because that's my archive staging/DL manager folder and I pulled it straight off YT. I wish I had the webm where the cheems makes Claire eat a lemon to describe how this makes me feel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbdNdwjTCO0
>>541259236
i guess i shouldn't do this graveyard quest at level 12
>>541260249Check the area level before entering. It should say like 20+
>>541260249>i can just use the air bubbles instead of belt of undeath like last time>use the air bubbles>there's along corridor without air bubbles>die:|
>>541264874End turn (5 on numpad) on the bubble a few times to refill your air
>>541265010the bubbles run out is the issue. and i just had bad rng where the exit was at the end of a corridor without bubbles for a long time.rip
>>541223021figured out the energy. there's a dialogue option on the butler for it. i guess i must have missed it last time.
i'm getting the idea that being bulky isn't how this game is supposed to go.even with spell save pumped up, i'm still taking massive damage from these enemies.in theory i could go antimagic, but i'm too talent- and attribute-starved below lv20 for that. maybe the play is just... glass cannon
>>541268147Which difficulty is this?You can survive most stuff by stacking +HP items from early gears. Bulwark also has nice HP, but no additional defenses against spells.>spell saveDoes nothing to damage. It helps preventing you getting debuffed by statuses.But yes, Bulwark on Insane is sort of a glass cannon. Non weapon damage will kill you. Go in with Shield Slam to activate Counterstrike, then Assault. And if the enemy isn't dead, run away.
>>541268147If you are going to facetank you need all the possible boosts to do it right. Still, at the end of the day offense is the best defense, the enemy can't hurt you if they are dead.
>>541260249Lolno even in the 20s it's sketchy
>>541268147it's also unfortunate i died there - it was in this mountain temple with six minibosses. i was able to kill all of them. but the door is locked and there are some orbs in front of it, they spawn random enemies which immediately blast you with their strongest attacks while you're in a bad position touching the orb... well, it's on me, i had teleport, i should have used it to reposition.>>541268497he doesn't have the kind of hp to be taking 400 lightning damage casually. i don't remember exactly how much hp i had but it was less than 1000. probably around 600. >difficultyit's whatever the default is. >>541268571i don't know man, he was pretty much killed from full health in one turn. you can look at the log. no doubt i don't have all the boosts but still... the bulky guy shouldn't be dying just like that, yeah?
Wand of Paralysis, which the Ogre has only a 49% chance to resist, btw.What is that. .4% odds?Am I supposed to only make lines that have a 99.7% chance of success to win, then?
>>541272067.No, you're supposed to take lines which, on failure, still allow you to escape with your life.
>>541272067I'd really like to play with this, but it seems dangerous if I want to get RF:+++ for Inner Flame/Blastmotes.I guess it'd let me diversify a lot in lower tier spells- I lose a lot of armor, as a Mountain Dwarf though, and I get... Dispel Undead, Passwall, Martyr's and Sigil, maybe Olgreb's that might be good?Feels like I can just train up Necromancy some here, but I'm retarded when it comes to planning a spellbook, I never make it past Lair these days in nuCrawl
>>541272278Yeah, it's D:6, I should've quaff/read-ID'd all my stuff by now huh?The other option was fleeing into unexplored territory, since the Ogre wandered in from behind me- Probably woke him up when I ran upstairs from a bad wight pack (all immediately 1 tile away from the stairs) and an Orc pack that closed in on the stairs before I cleared them out on stairs 1/2.Don't worry, I'm drinking and reading right now bud. Thanks for the tips, I'll do better than 8 charges in a wand next time.
>>541272067>>541273086The canonical route is DEFE and go 100% all in on casting skills. Enemies should get deleted before they can take two steps towards you from the edge of your vision.
>>541270560>the bulky guy shouldn't be dying just like that, yeah?Damage + death is how you get punished for playing poorly in whichever way one may have played poorly. If you could simply "pick the bulky guy" and then be hard to kill simply for that reason then the game would be easy.
>>541273297I typically read all the scrolls I find by D4 at the latest. Every time I don't I wind up getting fucked. Sucks when you get 400 gold from acquirement though.
>>541268147Brawler has the high defense, low damage role you'd expect from bulwark. You can unlock it fair and square from the hidden compound, you'd want to play something fast and with good ranged attacks to fight the yaech slavers and avoid getting punchedFor a melee class with a high damage 2 handed weapon style you'd expect Berseker to play like, try mindslayer or wyrmic. Although I've only played wyrmic as a shalore with the magic hybrid skill trees from level 30 areas in the DLCsIf you just want to stop getting oneshot Reaver and Corruptor have bone shield which completely stops the first 5 instances of damage per recharge but you'll be around level 20 by the time the skill is leveled>>541270560I don't mean to rub it in but those enemies spawned because you got a puzzle wrong
>>541273324I guess I'll do that once I splat.I'm trying to not play De too much, I used to spam D- Demonspawn of Xom, which I'm just now realizing you weren't telling me to play and hope I get izi caster mutsDeep Elf, right. I soft-banned myself from that because I play wizards every time I get the chance and I didn't want to play Crawl the same way every time.That was like ten years ago, I just don't think much of it anymore, except an aversion to picking DE. I end up trying to cast my way through the game anyways.They haven't removed Deep Elves yet? Yeah, I'll try that after I splat.
What the fuck is going on, why aren't you talking about cataclysm?
>>541274836Cuz it sucks, anon.It's so boring and tedious
>>541273297I'm a fan of learning summon small mamal so I can make space between me and the enemy. It's escape.Among untrained level 1 spells:Kiss of death has a cost, but doesn't miss and drain is a very powerful status against enemies who might 2 shot you. It's an example of setup.Slow and soul splinter are setup, if unreliable.Poison vapors, foxfire, shock, and magic darts are not much better than throwing rocks, but are all somewhat free. Such softening-damage is technically setup.With 0-skill throwing weapons, needles or boomerangs can handle ogurs before they reach you sometimes. If it doesn't work, you can decide if you want to retreat or not and try again. A nice curare basically solves most early living targets.You'll notice a trend, in that getting full advantage of these involves NOT spamming them when they aren't working. The correct number of wand-charges to use is the number of spaces between you and the target minus 1.Among 2 and 3, lvl spells,Blink is escape, but should be used before you start actualy fighting so you can make space on the way to the staircase.Grabeclaw is escape that works similarly, since it isn't dependable.Mercury arrow is setup. Jinxbite is setup.Swiftness and sigil of binding are escape. They are far more dependable, but have to be placed early and used soon, so you would be forced to retreat after only a few turns of combat, regardless of how it is going, and could still get hit with a lucky AoO.Some of these might want some skill investment. However, Launch Clockwork Bee doesn't need it. Sitting at 50% spell failure rate, it still requires that you cast it from half a screen away from your opponent, meaning that getting hit with spell failure effects and corroded doesn't matter. In the case where it works, this bee can attempt to solo anything really risky and fight next to you against anything mildy strong, until you're through lair. >ignoring spells.>also ignroing scrolls and potions>and needles
>>541276686>and wands with a % on them since they can't be tried over and over in this kind of hit-and-run ideal strategy.Ok, well, you've got a god for a reason. In the case where you're particularly desperate for some utility, you should consider unnknown altars and/or picking a god which does somethingDance god solve any 1v1 fight where you can live a few turns, which greatly narrows the fights which might actually kill you.Nemelex and makleb blast Okararu and TSO buffxom sometimes gives followers so you can avoid hard combat and wait for one of those until the floor is clearYeradreidel has a button that gifts you followers and another that throws fire. Half the gods give you summons or a buff if you ask nice.If you choose a god that doesn't, you ought to have a plan for how they help you win. with what they do have.>no gods eitherWell, if you can't use pots,scrolls, wands, rechargeables, spells, gods, or throwables, and you don't get lucky with artifact armor and weapons or jewls, there's always one more thing you can do to avoid death, and that's clear out the area immediately around each staircase when first exploring a floor, so that you have some place to run in case a big fucker shows up instead of getting mad at other people because you got caught with your pants down. And in the absolute last casewhere you're right next to the enemyand you fucked up and lost your retreat pathand they WILL kill youthen you use-id that shit in your pockets, because the odds of you finding TP/blink/summon/fear/vulnerability is 4/19 or so per turn, and slightly better since you know perfectly well which 2 stacks of scrolls are probably identify and/or tp and these escape scrolls are generally less rare than others.The first weapon is always just better pathing,
>>541273581yeah i unlocked it earlier with my bulwark.idk what you mean avoid getting punched. you want to kill the slavers first so the slaves go free, right? there's an achievement for freeing 30 of them.i did the blood game and got the ring, and unlocked the class. unfortunately then i died in that puzzle chamber. but i've got the class, i'll check it out. it said, when i unlocked it, that the class doesn't use armor. >expect berserkerwhy not just play berserker? it seemed good when i tried it.>>541273581i honestly didn't even notice it was supposed to be a puzzle. there was some bad poetry and six orbs, so i was just activating them one at a time while ignoring the bad poetry. i had gotten to orb 5 when i died.
>>541278461Brawler can use armor, but it can't use weapons. Its damage scales with gloves.It is a low-ish damage class but with a lot of strong utilities and defense.The most important thing about the class is to unlock the Combination Kick talent and make sure to kick anything that looks dangerous with it. This will strip them of their sustains. The rest is up to you.
>>541277709I feel like 50% should be a better bet than read IDing, if I haven't already, but sure. You win more than me I guess.
>>541170574Quadruped style joints and a snout.
Ok then, I'll go clear Lair. Damn.
which roguelike should i get on steamsale roguebros?
get a ropelike
>>541248686lol this bad writing. Guys, please demand better creative writing from your text based games.
>>541286238he wrote cool stuff like orc breeding pens but the fan base was against itsad!
>>5412860579 Kings looked breddy gud. Haven't seen enough that I'd recommend it as an EA title, but I'd hardly ever recommend you buy Early Access.Slay the Spire is a real classic, iconic genre defining stuff- Genuinely, it kicked off an entire fleet of roguelikte deckbuilders, wildly popular. A bit dated but still a standout paragon.Hades is, itself, also guilty of that. A bit too reflex based for the old men of /rlg/ I'd wager, you're doing a lot of dodge rolling and what not in real-time. But otherwise a standout that informed its own little genre niche. Really pretty game, endless dialogue as you cycle through the runs- Supergiant has a great host of writers and the gameplay is pretty nice too, if the action-combat is your thing. Otherwise, I'd try Slay the Spire.
>be tired>put head down on pillow>can't sleepthis is how realistic sleep supposed to workWhen will we have realistic sleeping mechanic on roguelikes?
>>541290638CDDA
>>541290638You aren't tired, you are just fatigued, obviously.
>>541290638you are depressed
i wont shittalk you again game
>>541299208This shit looks so goofy, is it actually a good game?
>>541299774It's ok
Any love for Project Zomboid?
>>541185384Osugakis are all the rage nowadays.
>>541299774its very goofy but im havin fun
>>541206490every single one of those artifacts is worth holding onto prismatic will let you tank a Soul Rot which is one of the biggest killers in this entire gameundeath is you already knowannulment can be used from the inventory which is rare as most charms need to be equippedputting the right talents on cd can totally neg what an enemy can do for a few turns
Holy fuck this guy is a Beast , 2,1khp and his attacks were dealing like 40% my hp
>>541117647if you weren't a fucking frogposter I'd say you could post them here
today i will play a roguelike again
OoOoOoOo
>>541315308no you won't
>>541317853fine, then. i'll reread that manga about anon wakes up in his favorite roguelike
>>541318040>Isekaiew
>escape a sticky situation with a bink and a scroll of butterflies>I don't know what compels me to think I should read a scroll of immolation to kil everything on sight once the butterflies start exploding>a nanosecond after I press Y to confirm I want to do that stupid ass shit I realize how fucking retarded the plan was and how retarded I am for doing it when I was completely out of the situation already>everything explodes and I die immediately
Why is there no roguelike gacha?
>>541131421You can deduce the symbol by what they do, the repeated one is the material, the second the effect it has on the target and the third the effect it has on your character
>>541322050>You have died>Unless you purchase this premium $2.99 revive pack with a bonus level included!
>>541322050I dunno, but I'd love to play one. You roll for different adventurers and try to get as low as you can on the dungeon before they kick the bucket. Not necessarily permakilling your units, but ending the run like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.There's already a lot of gachas with "roguelike modes" that are actually Slay the Spire inspired more tha anything, so I'm expecting a gacha with proper roguelike mechanics to drop in the next 2 years. If Wizardry Variants Daphne is actually doing good numbers and that one has character permadeath (but you have to be incredibly retarded for it to happen), then I think we're close to seeing a gacha roguelike.
>playing ToME>summonerthere's no way to scale damage with these guys? the only way i can tell is berserk, which boosts their stats if one dies.and i have to pump CUN to get more at a time. and you're fragile af, only a lucky undeath blood saved me from dying to random mage lightning, i was level 9 in a level 1-7 dungeon and there were some close calls. the tier 3 minotaur summon is worse than the tier 1 wolf and half the time he hits me with his AOE bellow. wow this is ass.
>>541322050wizardry variants daphne
>>541327523Their attributes scale with your Mindpower, so you level Willpower + Cunning and find mind power levelThey inherit your % damage and % penetration (focus on 1 damage type, like physical or fire)You can roll mental crit and their stats will be affected by your crit modifier(Yes, none of this shit is documented in the description)>minotaurIt's useless due to the terrible HP. The best minions are>Ritch (early game)>Turtle (taunt, keeps enemies from hitting you, it has crazy HP when you have good mindpower)>Dragon (the best all around minion, has massive AOE and high durability)Situational>Rimebark/Hydra (only useful with Through The Crowds prodigy, which allows them to blast through you safely)>Spider (only useful for the entrance passive that pins enemies)>Wolf (it reduces enemy phys res with the entrance passive)Bad>Minotaur>Golem (better than Mino, but it is a melee creep that gets stuck)
>>541329642should i go for heavy armor and shield? i get psiblades and mind but str melee will juat get me killed. str is useless to me but +str items are not rare, i can equip them and buy the perks.wish this guy got a shield or such.
>>541330473>str meleemeant: dual wielding mindstars
>>541330473Some people swear by armor but I wear robes because +all resist is good enough for me, plus I need mindpower and % damage on robes.There's no real way to avoid dying as Summoner. It is the squishiest class in the game. Turtle will do a lot of work protecting you but it can't save you forever.I don't recommend playing it at the start since it requires a fair amount of experience to steer, and it is worse in the base campaign than in the orc campaign due to the terrible dungeon layouts fucking with summons.
>>541330768what is +all resist
>>541331236Robes give damage resistance against all damage types. Up to 15% (?) based on tiers. It's a small amount but it goes a long way.
>>541330473Nah, you're just holding the mindstars, not usin em.
>>541320197i think it's pretty good, though.as a side note, it's gotta suck to hate isekai these days
Pretty sure I'm fuckin up this build so far (I meant to take Danger Sense but the mouse controls are so fucky and I've got this dogshit talent tree) but hopefully I can piggyback off the anon that just did a run.I feel like what I should look for is to go 1-1-5-5 in Gravity and abuse that with the phys reduction in Timeline Threading at 1-1-5-5? Maybe take either Energy or Stasis, for some more survivability cooldowns?I absolutely cannot figure out Paradox, no clue how I'm supposed to interact with it but iirc I'm only getting like two more category points from here on out.
Sorcerer is such a meme classYou can really tell that a lot of build options were made with no consideration to scaling past the first 10 cyclesOn a different note, Uspori surprised me a lot. It's actually really really good.
>>541359845The intended difficulty is supposed to be Cycle 1, I've heard, yeah. Worm is just extra cheese, getting something you can keep repraying on.I've never tried Uspori though, was the familiar really that good? You're just praying in a corner with 4 billion ranks in Frostpulse mostly, aren't you?
>>541355383Anything that starts acting like a video game with "stats" and "classes" is a major turn off.If it's more like Drifters then I don't mind.
>>541361135>pray>crystalform>stand still -> frostpulse, do sorcerer special ability, summon jade bros to tank damage, apply freeze, replenish ihra protectionRepeat.Frostpulse obviously is really strong but it lacks single target damage, so I did struggle a bit against the blood prince and the king.The familiar from uspori is ok, probably one of the better familiars which isn't saying much in cycles beyond 20, however the cool thing about uspori is the paralysis debuff, instantly reducing the speed of enemies. The enemies can shrug it off but if you can keep reapplying it you can gain a huge edge against enemies with ridiculous speeds like the king. I was taking him down from over 650 to 10.
>>541361754Oh, I got mixed up, I just took it for granted you took Projection with Crystal Form/Ihra/Sorcerer/Worm, but obviously you had to get into life/poison.This is what I mean about having trouble finding "new combinations" in POA, because certain synergies are already so strong you're just legitimately deliberately and arbitrarily handicapping yourself.Not that Druid Star Cult clearing everything from Cycle 1 to 32 on entrance is "cool" but like... It's obviously the strongest build in the game (Unless you want to push high floors in Maqbara's Path of Dust, in which case there's a different (but mandatory) build to reduce the eventual 100% resists and summon on entry to keep yourself from dying turn 1)
>>541358459Paradox is pretty fucked, I too don't know what to do but try to keep it low and pray. Hidden Resources prodigy helps you ignore it at least.
What I want to know is why don't my summons get attacks of opportunity when the mobs beeline past them to try and get me
>>541363885I was noticing the same thing. I was kiting a gnoll pack around a wall and they were killing my summons as they all followed me but not taking any damage themselves.Also it seems completely impossible to control whether summons stay in place and hold enemies back or trail along behind you.Also also I hate how summons can't seem to attack enemies out of los but enemies CAN and WILL attack them even if they're around a corner.
summoner is cringe
>>541361208how will you make a story about a roguelike without stats or classes?the original has them
>>541368675I've tried to tell me allies to stay in place but they still break off and spend turns running towards me or vacillating between targets.I think I saw some noise that the LOS change was a big one because the Devs thought it was too strong to position your summons so that enemies couldn't target you- Like most "nu Crawl" changes, while I can't outright disagree with the harm offered, the solution seems to take much more than it gives.Better players than me were having more wins than they deserved, though, so I guess I'll just have to suffer in low-skill land while the game gets harder and I don't.
>>541369332Yeah yeah yeah- But does Dazzling Flash (Gloom in Trunk) affect your own summons?Don't lie, anon. I'll know if you lie.
>>541370009>how will you make a story about a roguelike without stats or classes?Dungeon meshi
>>541371739>Dungeon meshinot a real roguelike
I keep forgetting going up the stairs takes turns and dying to death clouds and dumb shit.
>>541384157what game
>>541384275Crypt of the Stairdancers
any party-based toguelikes?
>>541385695You can get allies in just about every Shiren game
>>541385695mainframe defender
>>541384275Dicks
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>541387616>asuka fullness>85/100wdimbs
>Cast Swiftness>360 moonwalkFuck else am I supposed to do about this, damn boi.
>>541391385Do roguelikes encourage the youth to hang out with your friends in a closet?
>>541391385Assuming air wizzard. Take 1 step back, letting the dog stand where you can maybe doublehit its square. Use shock on the dog and scorpian, and then doubleshock the scorpian. Then, head for the nearest staircase and use swiftness as soon as it will last long enough to get you out.If the noise might attract any more problems, then just tank the dog attacks and rush a better chokepoint.And lastly, if you can't handle what you might find in a special vault like that, don't open the door in the first place and come back after another half a floor.
>>541391885I do as the auto-explore commands.If it's not a sealed/runed door, I'm not in control- Maybe I could notice in the future "Hey, this is a pre-built tile" and interrupt the explOre" sure. That seems like counterintuitive design but... Sure.An orc stepped through behind the dog, so I lined up the Phantom/Scorpion. The dog was wounded and stepped back to let the scorpion out, but I was making great progress on thinning out the horde and managed to just tank it.Forgot that the walking scroll is fully poison immune. I just bait them out to the open and burn some mana on Airstrike to bypass the bear's berserk and phantom's EV right after this screenshot, back to cruising to another ownfault.
>>541393117Spell Level 4 Battlesphere sure feels stronk with all those levels I wasted on Inkwell Talisman
>>541394123Shafted 3 fucking floors, this is awesome. We just aren't allowed to fuckin open doors anymore huh?
>>541394572I keep thinking of Shock as "slightly better than Magic Dart" but holy shit, that was brutal. Just spammed a Tier 1 spell and recast Battlesphere twice.
>>541394772This may be the end, my friends.Two blink scrolls and a swiftness cast- Death post incoming
>>541394572There's no kidding about it. That's swiftness into use-id tp scroll. You might be able to get out of sight just with the swiftness and fight only a few of them.You could try to get enough piercing hits to kill everything in there before you run out of mana, but your odds suck.When you get shafted 3 floors and you reveal 80% of a map and it's mostly empty and mostly without doors, no you don't open the few doors. You also don't go inside of that giant white structure in the middle of the map, because that thing is probably death. You place a whole bunch of area-exclusions and you find a staircase, and THEN maybe you pick a fight out of depth if it is made of weak enough enemies.Shaft = don't press 'o' for a bit. You can't afford it.
>>541391385>check it out Morty, I turned myself in a scroll! I'm a SCROLL-LIKE now!Why would anyone ever use that talisman?Like seriously is there a trick to it cause I've seen it and the inkwell talisman a bunch of times and always thought they looked like a horrible idea.
>>541394772That's enough Crawl for tonight. I definitely should've cast blink as soon as I had line of sight to the end of that horizontal corridor on the lower floor, instead of waiting till the Centaur caught up halfway through, I'd have taken two less arrow attacks probably.Next up on the menu- We take off this dumb scroll talisman so we can cast Vile Clutch(9% without talisman now), soon. Maybe Summon Forest. Feels like I need some better answers to dangerous targets. I'm worried about Sucks to Save fodder like Petrify.Are Deep Elves supposed to train Fighting?
>>541395462The best case for it is to use it as a Gnoll since you're gonna be leveling up Shapeshifting and every spell school anyway, so might as well use it if you get some good spells early on.You could also pivot into a caster if you start a Shapeshifter Octopode/Felid and you find some good spells/an early Vehu/Sif altar instead of whatever other god, since you're basically trading those early points in Shapeshifting for up to +4 skills in every spell school.
>>541395250I manually opened that one actually. I don't know enough about dungeon gen to know if stairs are more likely to be inside or outside rooms- Maybe it's supposed to be some kind of tower, descending into it or something?Definitely was wary of that big white structure at least, that much was intuitive. I took every corner with a fresh cast of Battlesphere and full mana....Am I supposed to train Invocations on Makhleb? I figure I am, I wanted to try something different here, figured since I had Sublimation I could go for it but...>>541395462I've seen and passed it a few times but I got it pretty early here and I figured... 5 ranks in a school and 5 ranks in shapeshifting is 8 ranks in a school and 8 ranks in a school is more XP than 5+5... And it's 3 ranks in EVERY school. It only gets more XP efficient if you push it further but, as mentioned, I think I'm already wanting to open up some tier 5 spells. I'm not sure about the XP allocation long term but this feels pretty strong. Battlesphere was castable pretty much right away once I found it. I don't know exactly what Hex I'd want to stay at Tier 4/finish training Shapeshifting to 7, but I could see it happening, especially with the +3 to Hexes on DE
>>541395640when I go DEFE/DECj, I usually don't bother training any combat skills until Lair. Once I'm in Lair itself I have enough power to shred everything already and the only thing left are high level spells that will take forever to train for, so I swap over to fighting/dodge/shield/armor and get those to a decent level before I go back.
>>541396489I'll mention those are the main(only?) pure blaster archetypes and you'll definitely want to heavily invest in combat skills of you're going necro/ice/alch/etc... since those seem like almost hybrid classes now. I recently had good results with alchemist after I realized mercury arrow is BUSTED if you pair it with melee. The aoe weakening is incredibly strong and affects almost everything no matter it's resistances. That plus confusion from melph and crowd control with olgreb lets you effectively one on one basically anything even with very modest abilities(I was playing as a merfolk and facetanking elephant herds in a robe with no shield)
>try to read DCSS source>minqmale's name is all over itAh well
>>541371739Dungeon Meshi clearly has classes. Fighter, thief, white mage, black mage, chef.
>>541394572I hate that they made shafts trigger by revealing tiles instead of stepping over traps. Going down stairs and opening doors is super dangerous. Just pressing the button to walk down to dungeon 11 has a noticeable chance of ending your run.
I Nethacked my way into her Golden Krone Hotel and Qud in her Infra Arcana.
>>541394772battlesphere is extremely strong, yesshock is only better than magic dart if you can bounce it or otherwise multihit
>>541408785yeah, the story obviously started out in the setting of the Wizardry series but she scrubbed all the serial numbers off and didn't reference a stat screen the entire time, so it's fineLaios is a Lord, Marcille and Falyn are Bishops iirc (could be wrong), Senshi is a Warrior, Izutsumi is a Ninja and Chilchuck is a thief
>>541408785>>541424949here's some early concept art that got posted at some point that spells it out, featuring nearly unrecognizable Marcille
>>541425089>classes: Food Safety Inspector, Michelin Chef and 4 Rape VictimsI don't think this counts as a real class system
>>540907597>TLG>go find the HUB 01 bunker>it's surrounded by various labs, access vents, research facilities, and TCL complexes on the world map>one research facility is like three tiles away from the hub>can't afford the zombies there turning into a horde and fucking up the hub>spend a day doing doughnuts in the parking lot with a conveniently placed cargo truck until most of the bodies are destroyed and I've managed to run over all the visible necromancers>sort all remaining bodies into a windowless room before pulping them for good measure>spend another day to clear out the topside building and get some rest>step below ground to begin tackling the lab and collect my hard earned spoils>mfw three shoggoths are visible from the staircase, just roaming around the room outside of any kind of containment cellsI hate those research facilities so god damn much. Rarely ever find anything worth the effort topside, and even the labs underground can be hit or miss.
>>541425089Not the worst Marcille she's drawn.
Does this thread's version of CDDA work with mods?
>>541358459Oh shit nigger what are you doing? Flux is the best tree
>>541429897we don't have a bespoke version of cataclysm
havent played dcss in like 2 years , did scrolls of acquierment get nerfed ??? I have never seen such a shit selection
This build has great mass damage but poor single target. I struggled the most against the obelisk boss and the king, though the elf queen actually came down pretty easy. Defences were really good so it was survivable, with poison effects being very annoying.In any case with a morlock victory I finally got a victory with every single race.I've got every class except the jackalform faggot and every god except the dragon one.The summoning aspect of morlock really is the least important bit, what's crucial is being able to get extra charges on every entrance. However I'd still rather pick a better culture and zealot class over this.
>>541442069They give overall worst selections than before and they're way more rare too. I ony use them early if I'm starving for a weapon after not finding anything before going dow to Lair, otherwise I just keep them until Elf 3 so it doesn't offer me normal amulets/rings.
What's the current best ASCII RL, and why?
>>541446973IRL
>>541443138Congrats.
>>541404240What the fuck is a minqmale and why should I care?>>541410796That centaur warrior who put me at 25/50 health (damage up to 36, hit for 25) shot at me twice because of the stairdelay- I could easily have died just trying to get up the next floor after being shafted, if he hadn't missed.>>541424382Yeah, I always think "It's a little stronger if you can spend turns to position a lot" but the 4x hit is just satisfying at 1 mana and 100% power.
>>541452213>I could easily have died just trying to get up the next floor after being shaftedSo you'd have been shafted a second time?
>>541471889No anon, if I "got shafted" it would imply that the gameplay was "unfair" somehow.Taking the upstairs and instantly dying to a newly revealed monster after getting malevolently shafted is "balanced gameplay"
>DF general is goneCDDA won
holy shit Mystic Blast sucks ass is this spell for real? What's wrong with it?
>>541474653It hits all around and knocks monsters away. If you can't see why that is useful then maybe you should start with MiBe or TrFi instead.
>>541474607it's on /vst/ now
>>541474653Are you kidding? It's uber powerful! Maybe your power just isn't up high enough.It does lots of damage, hits everything around you, does extra collision damage, and does knockback, all in a single action.It's a staple of blaster caster runs for me, vital for not only escape, but also crowd control, and enemies that resist elemental damage.
>>541475152The first pack I used it on was Yaks in a 2x2. It's proven a bit more useful against bee swarms and hydras, but I think I lowrolled a lot in the first go- It took 4 or 5 casts per 2-3 yaks and I ended up having to fire off Swiftness and jet near oom.Feeling pretty well satisfied with Leda/Summon Forest/Bjorg. Not sure if I should train Forest some more or put points into defense now. I'm imagining getting Dragon Call ready (Maklheb seems like a bit of a wash desu, took the legion brand over Tyrant or Fanatic)The staff is also a Transloc enhancer, I got rPoison and rElect quaff-IDing. Chainmail sucks ass, +11 {Bane} basically.I'm not sure how to pilot a run past here though. I've got the rCorr ring, do I do Slime:4? Or should I carve out Orcs, Shoal or Lair:5 first?rCorr is the big one for Slime, right?
>>541474653>2d19 no-miss with knockback% based on enemy size and spellpower>caps out at spell-power 100>On move, stuns .4-.9 turns>On attempt to move into object, 2d11 extra daamgePer mana, that's (2*19+(chance%)*2*11)/4mp, or max (38+(%)*22)/4or max 9.5+5.5*% per mpMagic dart deals 1d8 per mp, spending only 1 mp per turn.Searing ray costs 2mp and deals 2d8 damage, which is two magic darts, but can miss. To-hit max is 17.25.the written fomula for accuracy is 1d(to-hit + 1) - 1 ≥ 2d(2 * EV - 1)/21d(to-hit + 1) -1 = (1d18.25)-1, for our purposes2d(2 * 5 - 1)/2 = 2d(9)/2, is about 73%2d(2 * 10 - 1)/2 = 2d(19)/2, is about 45%2d(2 * 15 - 1)/2 = 2d(29)/2, is about 24%Orb of fire has ev of 20, so don't worry to much about the high end here, until later.So, against minor evasive enemies, you deal 2d8 *.73 = 2d5.84 damage per turn, with 2mp on the first turn and 1 on the three turns after that.Orb of destruction deals 9d21 for 7mp, so that's max 189 damage and 27 damage per mp, a bit more than double what mystic blast does. However, this hits 1 target max, requires multiple turns of setup, requires a clear path between your and your target for multiple turns, will often overkill massively and so waste damage. Hitting at point blank does 30% damage, meaning 8.1 damage per mp. So, when surrounded point blank, mystic blast massively outdamages orb of destruction. per mp, and potentially per turn.It also pushes enemies back, which can give the player more turns on which to cast without being hit, or do extra damage.
>>541481345If the enemies have AC, orb of fire again has 20 ac, so 15 is somewhat high and often enemeis have 5 or 10. While orb of destruction essentially does not care about paltry enemy ac, early games spells are largely shut down by early ac. 1d8-1d20 = zero damage most of the time. However, mystic blast does about 19 on average, or 28 average if you knock someone into a wall, meaning that it reasonably damages through armor. A vault warden, who is mildly tanky, is 10 ac and 10 ev, with 58 to 108 hp, meaning mystic blast does average 19-average 5 ac = 14, or 23 damage against a medium-size target. That's about 58/14 = 4.1 turns to kill, or probably 4 turns with 1 knockback, meaning the warden should only hit you 2 times with correct positioning.1 free hit on approch, 1 free hit for knockback, 2 hits where you let them hit you.Just don't try to knock back a gold dragon repeatedly in order to survive, unless the knockback works even on large monsters.
>>541481529I'm assuming I must've just had my power too low, yeah. Probably something like 7/3 for Conjuration/Tloc- Or worse. Apparently training to target skill level when you have an active skill bonus (like from Inkwell Talisman) shuts off early.
Something's wrong, this is supposed to spawn on D:3 or something. Cursed run....Actually, I haven't seen any unseen horrors lately, either. Huh.
>>541481312Never do Slime until you can clear Vaults. Slime is insanely hard for such an early placed branch.
Fatfingered Blink instead of Swiftness.I just wanted to get to the upstairs a little faster in Lair:5, I wasn't even in danger.Not until I got eaten by 2 hydras, a boulder beetle and a redback.1% HP boulder beetle casually pushed through Mystic Blast to put me at -1brb gonna kill myself
>>541481312rCorr really only helps with the ranged acid-slimes, and for them it's basically mandatory. Big ice-slimes hit super hard unless you have rC 1 or better. They appear as the bosses for ice-vaults sometimes, and are a real threat at that time. However, you just kind of scale past them. Once you can handle these well enough to really consider doing slime, you don't actually need the rC+ anymore. It's still nice.Green slimes appear in massive waves, which can be handled many ways, but a wave of green slimes are a real threat until you start lair, and then a small threat in valuts when they've got haste buffs. By the time you're doing slime, you have to be able to nearly ignore their attacks and do enough dps to keep them from fusing. The real issue in slime is that you can't use the walls to your advantage as well, meaning you need to leave enemies near yourself in order to limit the number of other enemis you are dealing with. If trying to use a slime to bodyblock will kill you, you probably can't do slime. That, and the trampling-slimes give a damage check. Rockslime has an insane AC of 27, ev 2, will 60, with HP 39-80 and *1.2 speed. On top of that, they have trample, meaning you can't depend on stairdancing.Lastly, golden eye swarms will confuse you, which means you can't depend on your general ability to retreat or kill fast unless you have willpower.That makes slime sound like a pure stat check, and it kind of is, more than a resistance check. You can have specific answers for each of these. We aren't deep enough in the game that you're expected to have a specific set of narrow tools which remain relevant. You should probably have an answer for when 2 teleporting stunning jellies and a shining malmute eye pop up in 2 turns, however.
Stone Soup has one of the ugliest tilesets I've seenOnly game where I much prefer the console.
>>541484158you died because mystic blast sucks
>>541486261Beetle is large with 20 ac and sometimes fast, hydras are giantThis is a situation where it probably won't work, yeah.
>>541486261Th-thanks anonYou t-too...
Around Yaks, Watch Your Backs
>>541481529There's another factor. It's not just 1 range, it'e 2, and with vehumet it's 3! You can do enormous amounts of damage to large swarms using this and throw enemies back before they even have a chance to hit you far enough to get hits in with other spells.The rotation of blast->blast->orb kill the chaff, throws the bigger enemies away, and then lets you orb for full damage with a buffer turn to blast again before anything can touch you.It's insanely powerful.
>>541489710>yak core>shows a buffalo halfway throughIs it mandatory that these "__ core" animal videos have at least one fuck up?
Any other roguelikes with directional damage? kinda like One way heroics.
>>541494737Explain?
>>541494801I want to know if there are roguelikes where you'd do 1.5 damage if you attack from the sides and do double damage if you attack from behind.
>>541495497Tactics Ogre : Knight of LodisA true roguelike
>>541494737>>541495497Quite different from other games normally talked about here, but Mortal Sin somewhat does this. Iirc hits on an enemy's back are always crits
Stonesoup coaly thoAbyss ended my run thogon' play Cata tho, Q-girl is a tranny tho(Roguelike!)
>>541499686The thread didn't need to get bumped, anonYou didn't have to post thisAny roguelikes for picrelated feel?
>>541494218>>541489710post the chicken one
>>541502010which one, anon?
>>541506036what
>>541509865what
In the middle of the act, your girlfriend suddenly whispers in your ear, "It's a safe day. You can Qud inside me." Do you do it?
>>541514162If your gf likes qud chances are xhe can't get pregnant if you know what I mean wink wink
>>541514162>pulling out>using condoms>ever lollmaoroflmao
>>541061062Anyone?
Not enough roguelikes with riding mechanic
3D roguelikes
AGP roguelikes
>>541531265Cocks of Qud
>>541520960wotr
No roguelike will ever top the binding of isaac.Thats it, thats the post.
>>541520960>Glorfindel>High Elf>BlackThese people know there are actually Dark Elves/Drow in the lore, we just never see them and they don't participate in the series but they do actually exist...
>have good sleep for 1 week>suddenly brain decides "nah fuck ur sleep" and now I'm out of wackI'm gonna rogue my like at this rate
>>541543163lotr has drow?
I honestly don't fully understand how my own build worked here, but I know Imp did 99% of the heavy lifting.
>>541549186I was meant to replace crystal rod with another "on dealing x damage type repeat 50% of it with y damage type weapon" before the king but I completely forgot to.Fulminant cult added negligible damage, shoulda skipped it entirely.Realised Lizard Visage actually helped hard carry here
>>541494218>Is it mandatory that these "__ core" animal videos have at least one fuck up?yeah, the seal core videos always throw in either a walrus or sea lion.
>>541549186Well done anon!I'm personally struggling with an upuat.The cultist-transformation combo requires priest class and liturgist to really work out and I already have a victory with liturgist so I want a different one.
tummy slashed
>>541545674Yes, they are on another continent and by the Third age the majority of them have returned home, they are the original Elves that discover why they must return to the Undying Lands and tell the other Elves.
>>541545674Drow is a Tolkien-invented word.
>>541573487Comes from the word Trow, which rhymes with toe, btw.
is dungeonmans good?
>>541580325Haven't playe dit yet, but it's dirt cheap right now so you could buy it for less than a bag of Doritos and see how is it.
>>541531265literally CDDA you can shoot zombie children and loot their corpses to get lgbtq+ stockings
>>541531265AGP? All Genders Prefered?
>>541549186Yeah, absolute guarantee to get more mileage out of anything else. Even 1 drop on Poison Skin to fire Cursed Flesh more.Either of the Shillelaghs would've pumped here- Physical covers 3 of the damage types you can roll, so you're REALLY improving your redeal chain chances with that. Ill Manica is kind of deadge too, yeah? I guess there aren't many GREAT bracers for redeal anyways.
>>541588214AutoGynePhileIt's when a girl thinks it's really hot that she's a girl.keep yourself safe, anons :)
>>541591057My friend has that and definitely isn't a girl.
>>541591057>>541593031to be fair girls are pretty hot
>>541598713Not really, they are stumpy and have weird rings around their ass like they have shit stains.
>>541588214some /lbgt/ tourist shit that's everywhere these last couple monthswish newfags would shut up about it already
>>541604156real
Is Cataclysm: The Last Generation any good? Better then BN?
>>541605014Depends, how do you feel about zombie pride parades?
>>541605070Sounds pretty gay desu
Why don't more roguelikes have good soundtracks and sound effects?I really like Infra Arcana's use of sound. I think CoQ has... Decent sound design? The music wore me out and I ended up muting it after the first few runs. And like... Ah, Jupiter Hell? Isn't too bad.But like where are the banger soundtracks? I can't just pump the DF soundtrack, I need some fuckin BANGERS, chat
Whats the correct version of cdda to download? The one I downloaded doesn't have a point system and lets you pick anything
>>541606224DoomRL has a banger soundtrack, but it's Doom, so it was expected to be.
>>541549186>3 dexI always thought these builds sucked ass. I want at least 50, preferably 100 speed in every build I can get it. Getting 5x turned by enemies sucks and you can only rely on stat checking them with your automatically activating mechanics.
>>541605014It might be better than BN eventually, but it's not there yet IMO>>541606856>Whats the correct version of cdda to download?The one that's not DDA
>>541605070>>541606029CDDA is the faggot branch. TLG cut out just about all that shit.
>Splat again>Obvious ownfault, TP scroll should've rolled better, git gudFine, I'll play MiBe>You can't use spell tomes as anti-personnel mines anymoreFUCK this gay EARTH!!!
I love shitting. Roguelike with digestive mechanics?
>>541612441CDDA changelog
>>541612441if you dream hard enough
>>541606856>Whats the correct version of cdda to download? The one I downloaded doesn't have a point system and lets you pick anythingthe point system was busted anyway
>>541624161>This thing is busted>Should we fix it, or remove it?>Kevin, what do you think?....
>>541626528>>Kevin, what do you think?The player has too much agency, add a chance for hits landing on stomach area to cause you to violently vomit and shit yourself for several minutes.
>>541626528I think it is utterly abhorrent that in the year 2025 there are still those who belive trans rights arent human rights. Many of my trans coder friends are human and these people have fought tooth and nail for their lives yet we still treat them like second class citizens. The fact that we have allowed this to go on for so long is absolutely sickening. We must be better folx.
>>541628630kek>>541629683>Many of my trans coder friends are humanand double kekYou guys are pretty funny
xisters, our response?
>>541632767>our response?I'm wishing for that person to get head cancer.Aaaaand, done. It's in God's hands now.
roguel ikes
>>541632767I tell the jew who wants a marketing buzzword to fuck off and make up his own genre name instead of stealing one from others.
>>541634135only bad people get cancer though
>>541635714Next you'll say santa's real.
>>541636782No but I could say that you're a moron, that would be pretty spot-on all things considered
>>541637515When people told you to stay in touch with your inner child, they weren't telling you to act like one.
>>541638052>believe in god makes sense>believing in santa doesn'tNopemoron
>>541638365Oh geez you actually got really offended at that, huh? Grow up.
lol
Between kevin and santa, who do you think is fatter?
>>541638865ur momLMAO GOTTEMMMMMM
>>541638907Men can never be mothers, discordsis.
This guy really decided to spend his hour seething in /rlg/ because people made fun of Kevin.
>>541639170>Kevin is in our thread RIGHT now
noita is a roguelikehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iVlSNpq8i8
is DnD a roguelike?
>>541641886low magic age
>>541641886def
>>541640807I wouldn't be surprised. The guy spends all day online and almost no time actually contributing cataclysm code.
>>541641141If this was another stream of consciousness rant by that queer maletuber I was gonna scream
>>541643057you're obsessed with him and he doesn't know this place exists
>>541646786This is slander. I wouldn't lower myself to visit this general.
>Kevin lurks ITTwould explain why he is such a grumpy cucumber who hates players
Tome4 would make a better autobattler than it does a roguelike
>>541648275that's path of asscrack
>>541481312Dragon Call was pretty bad the last time I looked at it but that was a long long time ago
>>541495497Shadowed
>>541494218>slop content is shitty slopyeah
>>541545674they're still white lol, it just means they refused the summons of the Valar to come to the Undying Landsand most of them have black hair>>541553268sea lions, fur seals, and the walrus are types of seals
what's the dragon ball of roguelikes?
>>541658779Furyband iirc
>>541658779>99% filler 1% contenttome4
>>541641141Ayy Birdbrain is good, good description of how Autistic and ADHD people feel in normie society.
>>541634173Take a break anon.>>541646786Oh the humanity...!!!
now that I think about it, the witcher makes for a good roguelike settinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwImy striga my striga
>>541666909It does not, considering how static the setting is DESPITE having magical, buff, rape rats that predate on the citizenry daily.
>>541667297You just wander the land handle randomized contracts while engaging enemies the witcher way (prep time, stealth around, fulfilling conditions to make them killable)
What the fuck I haven't played in forever and Pikel the slaver doesn't have slaves anymore? He just has a bunch of stupid ugly demons now?
>>541675373Okay, I take that back but you'd need knowledge of the series because imagine taking a contract that is way out of your league and getting murked? I guess you can have a tutorial where you do the whole Witcher training to get a footing in the setting. Speaking of, what is the lore explanation if and inexperienced Witcher can't solve a problem? Do they just not take it or do they write to the the Witcher HQ and they send someone like Geralt of Rivea to do it?
>>541680657Isn't stoneshard basically this
There is no greater feeling in the world than starting off your run in CDDA with default stats, Surrounded + Naked and Afraid and successfully escaping.
>>541681560Never played Stoneshard so I don't know.
>>541689515That's how I start my average day in RL
more like kasane SEXO haha amirite
>>541681560I've played stoneshard and I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
>>541643057He's a project lead, I can tell you from firsthand experience that being lead means you are stuck with way less time for coding and way more time spent handling project stuff and getting yelled at by people about dumb shit. It's not a job you want to volunteer for, unless you really like the project and are willing to put up with it all.
>>541648275I don't know how people like you exist. Most of the fun in ToME4 is the huge amount of player-side options and how complex battles can get. Just watching it happen would not be fun at all.
>>541678664Here's your (you) anonWe know the devs are all woke and think slavery is hecking problematic (but stabbing people in their sleep so hard they explode isn't)
Does it seem weird to anyone else that you can clear all of floor 1, only get to XL 2 and then go downstairs to this kind of pack?But then an adder is worth like 50% of XL 3
>>541702675Forgot my imageBut also, oh. That explains it. God I hate this fuckin guy. I should try to hop in to the corridor I think, before Ramparts, instead of just tanking it raw
>>541702985Ok, so I splatted a run because the first enemy was a kobold with an Electric whip and that's... That was like the number one run killer ten years ago, I haven't seen it in dozens of runs since.I used to LOVE going Monk and grabbing an electric whip- It felt like it was practically guaranteed and it was strong enough to carry you through the early game 90% of the time. Definitely enough to get you to the temple
>>541703401*splatted a run earlierAnd here I am getting throat fucked by Robin because the game only auto-marks wielded Brands or held Wands based on some arbitrary logic that "+2 Shortsword of Venom" doesn't trigger on D:2I'm gonna kill myself if I die to a branded weapon before D:3 again
>>541703401If you see a robin swarm, 3 of them are holding enchanted weapons, and 1 of them is either poison or electric. They feel like you should be able to stomp on them, but they absolutely demand you pay more attention than I generally want to.Robin swarm is a walking prank.
I'm guessing this doesn't stack with Frozen Ramparts?>>541703756Ahh, that makes sense. I was like... Wary of the throw and the warcry of course I hadn't realized they had guaranteed egos too.
picked up House of Necrosis since it just released, seems okay. its a really cool idea for a roguelike, even if its going a bit hard with the RE1 aesthetics.
>>541706706Not guaranteed, there's just like 16 of the fuckers.
>ff8 style casting animationskino
haha lmao get fucked idiots I'm the caster mans now (RE: Fucking useless till level 2)>>541706706I thought that was a 3D real time like RE, not a roguelike. Neato. Is it kind of an AlienRL vibe or what?>>541709324Yeah, fair enough. I look for the Brand wielder in a Gnoll pack by default. Fucking... Honestly, 90% of the uniques seem super unthreatening these days.Hardly as rewarding as one OOD either, though- There's no calculus "Oh maybe I can get a better weapon from a dangerous fight" because I already got spoonfed a +4 slaying ring or something by the time I see those "guaranteed drop" uniques anyways.
>>541703756Robin is extremely easy compared to most other early game uniques. The little guys can spawn with branded weapons but that should increase your winrate if they do, because you can kill a 4 HP enemy and get an overpowered weapon.
>>541711928Correct.If you don't pay attention, you'll press tab and kill 7 goblins while a 3rd swings an electric brand at you. ALL you have to do is pay attention, and not get surrounded.
>>541709186That's literally Jill Valentine lolI'll check it out, looks interesting.
Ok this has to be deliberate. TP scrolls nerfed to place you in an area with as high a threat level as possible confirmed when>>541711928Yeah yeah, always ownfault. I should've noticed Robin holding the branded weapon and read-ID'd a fear scroll or dispersal'd him or whatever.
Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Let's play our best today!You are lucky! Full moon tonight.
>>541719056>d:8>2 orks and 3 gobboI think you'll be fine?Pretty unlikely though
>>541719056>high threat>look inside>5 popcorn
>>541692857You get hired to kill monsters and dumb bandits
>>541720940>>541721391I had to cast Spike Launcher like 6 times to get it positioned, man. That was a pain in the ass.
>>541723403You honestly had ample time to wind up the bee and it would've cleared that shit mob before you could wind it up again.
>>541719056>dungeon 8Two hours late but you should REAAALLLLLLY read ID all those 2 stack scrolls, then use your actual ID scrolls on either potions or scrolls. You will end the game with tons of unused materials so it's better to use that shit up for early game instead of hoarding it.
>>541709186>>541710718>>541716419Holy shit, this is RE:The Roguelike. Well, it's more like Shiren the Wanderer with a RE skin, but it's a pretty good skin, not gonna lie.Drank an unidentified serum like the troglodyte I am and it teleported me to the boss room and got sandwiched between the boss and a couple of crimson heads.I'm really hooked up on the demo, I'm already considering on dropping some cash on it. It's actually pretty fun and cheap, I'm gonna get it and see how's the full release.
>>541731049Ye, that's what I usually do. I'm just not fastidious about it. I did that earlier and a little later in that run I chewed through some more. ID'd an acquirement, got an rC+ which made me brave enough to go into an Ice Cave with just that and Blazeheart. Bee solo'd most of it and then I kited back into golem explosions towards the end.Splatted to a tough mixed pack in D:12 anyways, casting Grapnel instead of letting my Acrobat Amulet do the lifting. Had awful luck chewing through the last Boulder Beetle/Ugly Thing, bastards happily ignored my Hoarcannons and Golem.Actual ownfault, I had 2 ID'd haste/summoning/fear I could've blown at any time
>>541680657You can talk to witches or veteran witchers or do it the nethack way and expect players to wiki it up>what is the lore explanation if an inexperienced Witcher can't solve a problemLike all inexperienced adventurers, they die and leave behind some loot.
>3 floor shaftI was about to try full sending it- Step back, quaff ID for brilliance, sphere, cannonade and try to force an inner flame, maybe with vulnerability scroll.But then I remembered getting Fireball is lame and pointless and I can just pay the passwall tax to escape on the northern stairs(the downstairs are cooked, right next to 2xdouble ogre, manticore, wide open). 2 more floors to go and I'll go do Lair like a good boy, I promise
opened my wallet and found the card for the last place we went for breakfast before it all happenedrealized it's almost been a year nowroguelikes for this feel? (pic related)
>>541743684>3 floor shaftI am so scared of d11 shaft that I don't even step onto d11 if I haven't been shafted in dungeon yet in that run. Fuck that stupid shaft system.
>>541745927I was genuinely entertaining the idea that this might be a reasonable routing consideration desuWell, we'll see how it goes tomorrow when I get a moment. If I can make it out I should handle Lair ok. I ought to be able to drub up rPois somewhere- Or... I got it from a mutate I think? Hmm.
>torment>smiting>damnation
I wish I was american blooded american, I could be working for ICE and beating up beetslop eaters.
I like roguelikes as a concept but I always keep getting bored and frustrated. The only games I somehow managed to get a clear in are DCSS (MiBe), Tangledeep (primarily Floramancer) and Shiren 1 (DS), but I don't think I'll ever play any of these again. I tried ADOM, Jupiter Hell and Shiren 5 but for some reason I can't just stick with them for long enough to win at least one run. Thanks for subscribing to my blog.
>>541696056Or you're an insane faggot who wants to control and ruin a project
>>541709186>>541732414I really don't like how there's no diagonal movement/attacking. It just feels wrong, very limiting.
>>541760676Just play shorter ones or coffeebreak 7DRLsSometimes I like to play a few runs of Rogue Effect, it's just 10 small floors
>>541764127>Just play shorter onesCan you recommend me some? If they're more like Shiren it'd be perfect I think.The problem is I do like how more complex and longer games look and feel, at least at first. I've also been wanting to get into ToME4 for the longest time, for example, but the sheer scale of it makes me hesitant to even try.
>>541765083not that guy but try rift wizard 1/2 or path of asscrack>tome4Well if you get the expansion (buy it or pirate) then the Orc campaign is shorter (8h) which helps.
girlfailures genuinely do not exist because they're actually highly desirable as a trait nowdaysunless they're really uglythen yesbut ugly women do not really exist
>>541767090r-roguelikes..?
>>541767168they don't play roguelikes either
>>541750986>scroll of fog*brap*
FUCKING FINALLYI struggled a lot but finally got my upuat win.And I was actually really happy with this build. Effect stacking really is the key in higher cycles. This one is a stand still build which takes a while to really get going but the growth of damage is exponential and, meanwhile, it's very survivable thanks to high armour, low enemy accuracy and the ihra-kairos skirt combo for constant protection. The huge healing from hazar also helped, but I didn't really need it, I spent most of the run at 100% or 99% health after the build got going. The 2 divine interventions were right at the beginning of the run with the floating romboid psychic fuckers.The talwar was key to let me smash the blood dungeon effortlessly. Enemies couldn't harm me and the stacks of bleed disappeared every time I attacked.The king was firethemed, so I had huge resistance to his attacks and he also resisted mine, but my damage scaled far better so I just melted him while he couldn't really hurt me. Pretty neat.The only shame is that I really didn't use the features of upuat at all. The class just sucks. The same build with priest would be far, far stronger.
With this I finally got my win with every class, culture and religion. Each on a different cycle, I never went back to cycles I had previously defeated.
Do helicopters work in cdda yet?I've got one, but the rotor is destroyed the second i try to take off. Fairly sure there's nothing around the helicopter on the z level above it.
>>541769379He starts with a range 6 weapon. You can just do a generic ranged attacker build and roll over everything
Omg a fucking shrub spawned on the chopper tile, and i can't remove the shrub without damaging the tissue paper helicopter. Fml
>>541772428And then get attacked and have your range is set to 1.
Can't shunt the chopper, can't smash the shrub, can't burn the shrub without destroying the chopper. Fml.
>>541773027Put on a chestpiece. Its that easy
>It's another "neg diff every level with a single button press but get one shot by the king of many colours" episodeFuck me>>541769379>>541769503Congrats, anon! Have you done all the prestige classes? And how long did it take you in total? I'm currently working on the same thing. Right now I'm trying to get arsonist of angra to work. Summons are really weak this high so I'm trying to make it a sacrifice build, but so far it feels like I'm playing a bootleg Topheth.
>>541769379>>541769503I know this is not something you would expect to hear in a roguelike thread but I hate how this game looks. Is there an ASCII mode?
https://youtu.be/_zfN9wnPvU0
>>541778973based sloppers dabbing on kikegeist
>>541778973lmao
Fiberlike for my constipation?
>>541779249>>541779132stupid fucking thing
no game of throne roguelikes?
>>541776931Thank you!>>It's another "neg diff every level with a single button press but get one shot by the king of many colours" episodeMany such cases when you have a lot of mass damage but poor single target.>Have you done all the prestige classes?Not even close, but I do a different prestige every game. I think I'll try horrorform next.>Summons are really weak this high so I'm trying to make it a sacrifice buildThere are some familiars which scale well with high willpower but mass summon builds just don't work all that well in later cycles by themselves, having some effect trigger on each individual summon or on ally death is a must have.>>541777530It has a very unique visual style being pixelated but oddly detailed with shadows and what not. You can tell that Ulfsire (dev) had no background in art because some designs look really weird, like the big worm boss. However the design itself of the enemies is really cool imho.afaik no way to turn it ASCII. Dev thought about it but I think he never got to add it.
>>541769379I did a quick shirtless upuat run since I felt compelled to by this post
>>541780535You don't consider the publishing of the Winds of Winter to be a roguelike?
>>541761670Yeah, it's kinda basic in terms of techniques and maneuverability. I bought it more for the novelty of it, really. I hope it gets better with more updates, but it's not like it's bad, it's just basic.
>>541794119I mean yeah that's fair. I still like the game overall.
>>541769379>>541769503Achra's strongest warrior.Congrats, m8. I hope this one's the next OP.
>>540931160The Shimmering Horizon and Cursed Blacksmith is coming out next month
>>541781406Horrorform is kino. That and Anqarak are brutal prestige forms.
number one new steam game is a roguelike /rlg/ doesn't talk about
>>541797328>horde survivor>"""""roguelike"""""fuck off and take your slop with you
>>541797328Not grid basedNot a roguelikeIt's that simple yet people can't get it.
>>541797328The shit's rougelite-like, in that it's whole genera (vampire survivors and brotato) is based on runs with an upgrade tree you level fully in less than 6 hours.It's so minor but at least the genera is NEXT to the genera that is next to ours, and nobody knows what else to compare them to.Given that argument, old flash games based on upgrades are "rougelite-likes", which is incorrect.So again, what should people compare horde survivors to other than the 3 other horde survivors? Is there some really old horde survior that we can use? Call them "pong-likes" or whatever the fuck?
>>541801413compare them to whatever you want to but know that you will be ridiculed no matter where you bring them
>>541797328More like Vampire Survivor than anything else, have you even played Rogue?
>>541805010>have you even played Rogue?Have you?
>>541805071Yes.Have I beat it?No.What about you?
>>541805148Eh, same.
>>541805283Among Us doesn't count as a Roguelike, you know that right?
>>541805337I'm a different anon, mentioning the original Rogue just tickled my curiosity.
>>541805515Well why haven't you beat it?
>>541805742Why haven't you?
>>541805839I actually answered your question the least you can do is give me a proper answer instead of acting like a politician during election season, jesus.
>>541803282The only person being ridiculed is you, lil bro.
>>541807765>no uis this all you can muster?
is diablo a roguelike?
>>541808324It's actually an ARPG, so no.
>>541807187I have answered your question, too, you know. Two, even.
>>541797328Factorio is a roguelike
>>541808456Those weren't me, now answer the question, Governor Anon.
>>541808324Heavily influenced by Nethack and Rogue but the difference was taking a turn based game into a real time action game, hence, making it a very competent action rpg but not a roguelike. You are correct to suspect it has roguelike themes and influences though.
>>541808595I don't know, it just didn't hold my interest for too long. As curious as I was about the origins of the genre, if I wanted something oldschool I'd rather go play more Slash'EM again or something.
>>541808758would realtime nethack be a roguelike? e.g. Barony
>>541808952Why are you acting like its a bad thing? There have been tons of evolutions in the Boomer Shooter genre to the point a lot of people who enjoy modern BS don't enjoy original Doom unless its ported over and remade with a lot of modern conveniences.If anything its showing that the formula and the genre has grown and evolved in a positive direction over time.
What's the most accessible game for someone who just wants to relax?
>>541809089anything is a roguelike if you call it sospelunky is a roguelikehades is a roguelikethe binding of isaac is a rogueliketeleglitch is a roguelikenoita is a roguelikestreets of rogue is a roguelikerogue survivor is a roguelikedon't let anyone of these virgins tell you otherwise>>541809356gacha
>>541809429your mom is a roguelike
>>541809356Pixel Dungeon, maybe. I wouldn't call roguelikes the kind of game someone plays to relax. If anything you get more stressed out because you can splat at any point in time.
>>541809664That she is
>>541747830>LairI made it. Holy fuck this shit is so ass.My spells are all fucked. Give me something good Vehumet, you cunt.Found a Forgecraft manual. Guess I keep training Forgecraft/Ice/Conj/Transloc and go for Orb of Destruction, I guess?
>>541811369Hydras are (Large), good to know.
>>541809356Anything polished, with variable difficulty, lax permadeath or something you're not too familiar and invested in-I used to have a lot of fun just splatting different combos in DCSS while things like "Elf" and "Bladehall" and "Vault" were a distant myth. Getting to Orc was a real banger and I didn't much care if I got triple-doubled by 11 Orc Priests.Jupiter Hell isn't too hard, as long as you're not deadset on playing the hardest difficulties and challenge mode conducts and splatting doesn't ever feel too unfair or like a huge setback. I still have to look up routing info for branches, personally, but you don't even really need to do that to notch a couple winsTome4, (Girl)CoQ have non-permadeath modes but are still fun to explore.Rift Wizard 1 is a lot of fun to explore combos in (stay away from RW2, degen balance imo) and the same for POA, both without being upsetting losses of time investment when you die.
Is ADOM (the first one on Steam, not Ultimate) any good? How does it compare to DCSS?
>>541809356One Way Heroics, Elona/Elin, Desktop Dungeons, DoomRL, Mystery Dungeon games, IVAN
>>541811369I feel like this is the kind of shit you do to bully fucking tournament winners and streakers with "more balanced winrates" while not thinking about sub-3-rune piss babies
>>541814850Fuming, run ruined, what the fuck
>>541815550That's why you don't autoexplore when there's a timed event. You either read a scroll of revelation or you walk around until you get close to the entrance going up by feelings.
>>541816015And then you don't make it in time anyway because fuck you that's why.
>>541816625Skill issue
>>541816625Brother you autoexplored the whole map of course it was gonna expire before you autofound it
cdda
>>541816625When you auto-explore you need to be willing to be more locked in than when playing manually at any point you think pausing the auto-explorer would be advantageous to you, you hammer that button like crazy.
>>541809356Roguelikes aren't very relaxing, I would pick URWMarriage soon btw
>>541820061nta but what it URW?
That really is one of the most Treasure Vaults of all time for a caster with 2 Strength and a -2 Armour aptitude.>If you equipped this item your spell failure would worsen by 99% at best!At least I got two- One Steam Dragon randart. Dipping into -will on every piece of gear is going to get me murdered, I can feel it.>>541817142Or did I get shafted and find myself unable to fight through the hordes of monsters in addition to that and not make it in time? Some of the most vile advice sometimes, I swear "Just read Magic Mapping" thanks man I'll pull it out of my ass.
>>541820356 (Me)Oh unreal world, you paid for this rather than play the free version?
>>541820356nta but it's UnReal World.It's an open ended, open world survival roguelike set in early medieval Finland.The game has a variety of systems, such as custom character creation with several cultures to pick from (each with particular bonuses), seasonal weather, wild animals with unique behaviours for each specie, randomly generated villages, barter-based trading, quests, different ways to obtain food (hunting, trapping, growing crops, gathering berries and herbs, trading), food preservation (through salting, drying and smoking), nutrition (so just eating bread alone won't sustain you), layered armour system, combat with targeted body parts, wounds, travel by boat or skii, building outposts anywhere, skills upgrading through continuous use, item quality modifiers, certain tools and materials being better suited for certain actions (for example there are several different types of axes, for logging, for crafting, etc) and even spells, though not fireball or teleportation, more like traditional Finnic folklore, such as throwing the first catch of fishing in the spring back into the water in order to please the spirits and guarantee better fishing success throughout the season.It's a very sovlfvl game that's not really about epic fighting (though you can do that, if you want), but more so about finding your own place in a wild land while surviving. Cold, thirst, hunger, disease and wild animals will be your enemy far more often than humans. You can choose to live in a village, make your own homestead, live as a nomad chasing game and sleeping in a fur tent, explore the land doing quests or just watch the crops slowly grow over the summer while cooking bean soup for dinner and going to the sauna.
>Didn't learn a screenwide clear yet>Vehumet offers you knowledge of Ozocubu's Refrigeration!>Didn't learn a screenwide clear yet>>541820491If you're gonna play URW might as well download Sevtech Ages or Vintage Story and get it over with
Is GrEE still the easy mode caster? I don't want to learn another character yet.
>>541822208I get to vaults semi consistently with DECj but haven't even seen lair with a GrEE so far.The most versatile caster seems to be alchemist, the starting book is amazing>ranged poison>aoe weakness>aoe confusion>screenclear
Speaking of screenclear, great grognards of the thread: Am I cooked? Too spread out in spell schools? Too retarded to get good parchments? Do I take Fireball/Freezing Cloud/LRD or Ozocubu's Refrigeration (from Veh)? It seems gimped, but my only AOE options being once the enemy closes to near melee range/splattering my own cannons to cast Hailstorm/Blast feels real bad.I've heard nothing but cursing the name of Ball Lightning- I can't wear the Storm Dragon randarts and the rElec axe I have is also ^Contam
>>541825039Or should I go clear Shoals/Snake (since I have Flying/rPois/rC/rF+++ available) and fish for a better spell from Veh before tackling Depths?
>>541825350Ah, I guess I've gotta do Vaults too. Can a full power Mystic Blast spam handle the opening? Should I quaff Haste? Do I need to stroke the shaft? I've never done this before
>>541821818I didn't do either and played URW before either of those two games existed, now what?
>>541821574Hello Advertiser-kun, how are you?
>>541821818>Minecraft shitHow about no?
>>541820415Just go up again you dumbo
>>541825350Do the Lair branches before going to the Depths. They're easier than whatever you'l see at Depths.
>>541826857Bit like saying "I've been eating cold, raw, plain porridge since before hot dogs existed"Ok man. They'll add "a splintered up wooden spoon" any day now to your cold porridge, old man
What race/class/god combo for pyromaniac in achra? I could figure out flame knight but not this one
>>541828448I did it with cyclops templar of the worm but it was only on cycle 10 so may not work out if you are on the 30s
>>540907597*gasp* *sputter* *pant* *gasp* *pant* *gulp* *sigh*
>>541829420I’m on cycle 19, just walking through the prestige classes in orderI got mind knight relatively quickly with koszasmer priest of yuThe martial/poison one was piss easyDeath knight took me frustratingly long but I finally got it with cyclops warrior of eris a few days ago
>>541828448>>541832857You can generate a ton of inflame stacks with Ape. Take off all your items except for an off-hand weapon/shield. Get your speed to at least 50, and then stack strength for inflame stacks on all your attacks. Use Technique (if your class is Mubarizun) or Stand Ground (if your class is Unataak) to activate more attacks per turn. Humbaba, Pallas or plenty of other gods will work fine.
Sex roguelike?
>>541832857Check out Hadad, or Oros. Ihra or Volkite or Valr or Tengu.Warlock or Secutor or maybe Priest.Investigate Oozes, perhaps, for fun.Be utterly fastidious in item selection and get a Gold Plating no matter what- The Manica, Greaves, Helm are "okay" but the Inflame themed chestpiece is humongous.
>>541837597MaidenSnowEve
>>541832857I did it like this. I didn't find the Inflame stacking chest piece so I ended up using the fire damage redeal skirt and Newtform to get the single target damage I needed for the final boss. Scorch would work fine too.
New Etriam roguelike wen
>>541842013Based
>>541828102God forbid games exist before your survival slop did...?
>>541848509All I'm saying is, the game develops at a glacial pace as the world passes it by.
>>541849976Are you confusing me with another anon, what does this have to do with anything? Also, if you haven't watched the dev videos, you should, they probably spend more of their time living like their ancestors did than they do programming a game about living how their ancestors did. It's pretty neat to see some of the things that they do.
It's over ... I'm too fat to ropelike myself
>>541852016Put me in your will anon and I'll rope myself for you
>>541852016>>541852438I've notice a rope and/or suicide theme in here after that 1 anon posted his zombie hangsmen run
Who's best Elin/Elona god and why is it Mani?
>>541853162It's Ehekatl because she legit is a stereotypical manic cat girl goddess.If you like short stacks and silent girls, Kumiromi.Lulwy if you want a dommy mommy.Eyth because they canonically both exist and don't exist, don't answer prayers, has no bodily incarnation in the world, and thus, is the only deity in both games you cannot kill and has tricked the world into believing they never existed in the first place. Despite there still being followers in the world, who also profess that their Diety doesn't exist.
>>541832857>I got mind knight relatively quickly with koszasmer priest of yuHated mind knight so much. What an awful prestige
>>541853162Best girl is Jure. Strongest player god is Kizuami. Strongest god overall is, I dunno, itzpalt or something.
I wish DF Adventure mode had more structured content. I really like the autism systems in DF and the granular combat, but having nothing to do but travel the overmap and murder the occasional megabeast or slaughtering goblins gets kind of boring.
>>541855718Because it requires two handing? It seems like you could play around the willpower stat bonus.
Well, it's coming along. Not great on the resists stacking front though, I might be able to scour some shops. There's like 4 gravitambourines I want to grab just for the meme though I can't afford that either. Pretty much every spell under the sun is visible by now. Gonna go with Firestorm I think- Getting Polar Vortex castable seems harder and less rewarding, in all honesty, if it's going to shit on my spellforged. Everything else is pushing 90% power.Pretty sure I don't actually waste time on training Evocables, even with all this garbage clogging my inventory.Dunno if I can do a Zigg, even with Rimeblight and Firestorm. Maybe if I pick up Splinterfrost Circle? I could forget Cannonade, it's starting to feel a little too weak. I'm worried I'll regret it once I need to punch into beefier targets, though I'm doubtful if the Inner Flame synergy will pack a punch in that scenario anyways.Well. I can definitely get Firestorm up by the end of Vault, before Depths. I'll worry about it then.Hmm.
>>541853162Not even a question
I can't believe this game lets me fight my way out of being killed by a female goblin like this wtf
>>541861402>I can't believe this game lets meYou know exactly why you have that script in the first place you filthy gobfucker
>>541861402>his vagina
>>541808758>>541808324Diablo was originally going to be a roguelike, which is why all the characters move on a grid.IIRC, the company (that eventually became Blizzard North after the buyout) decided to make it real-time at the last second.
>>541859374Used goods slut
Something I've noticed in Achra. This Horror Giant midboss does an insane amount of damage in melee, counterattacks even if it's not his turn, and even if you can tank it he puts scorch stacks that will one shot you through divine intervention.But he's also 15 speed and his counter attacks only work in melee. What an unfair boss to pull if you're melee, but as a ranged guy I can stand here and kill him for free.
>>541862756Ah nigger don't hate me because I'm fast, nigger. Maybe if you got rid of that old yee yee ass Jure bitch you'd get more hits on your turn. Oh better yet, maybe Ehekatl will give you a lucky roll if she ever stop fucking meowing or acting like a cat, niggeerrrrrr
Any roguelikes out there with engaging combat? I'd love diving into some dungeons n shit swingin swords like Mount and Blade and slinging magic
>>541855718I had never beaten this prestige before, but I think I figured it out. You can use Oros to get a weapon that counts as Bare Fist, and then use Psiblade to turn that Bare Fist into a ranged 2H weapon that counts for the Mind Knight bonus. Unarmed damage scaling is crazy as usual.
>>541863915Sil if you're playing as a human.You pretty much need to be a combat expert and sing songs to survive the humanity gauntlet.
>>541859374Funny, I will now cum>>541861402>his hips>goblin warrior vaginaI will now reconsider cumming, this scripting is awful
>>541863915ToME4
>>541862809Yeah. The mandatory midboss (Horror Giant, Voggite, Robak or Jeweled Visage) or what color of KOMC you roll (Purple, Red, Blue or Green) each absolutely dumpster a particular set of weaknesses/archetypes.It's kind of fucking gay.You can check them in the Nemesis section, during character creation. Horror Giant, as you say, slaps back and kills you if you're in melee and can't easily break his armor.Voggite will chew through any minions and get large bonuses with defense piercing minimum damage and shuts out midrange damage fighters with Protection.Robak is a piece of shit. Seeker AND Prescience? Warding AND Retort? How about go FUCK yourself, asshole.JV will steal all your stacks, fill you with cancer if you hit it too many times and punish you for AOEing, to boot.Obviously plenty of builds handle these without even thinking about it, but there's plenty more that don't.
>>541856381>>541863945the benefits just didn't feel very cohesive with the actual skill trees to me. I did beat it back on cycle 25, but I remember it took me forever to finally "get" the class
>>541863945Asi Malak will do the trick outside of Oros, too. Not that it's strictly (or non-strictly) better, mind you, than Tengu/Nartaka. You get the whole kit right upfront your way, no fussing about. Losing some of the damage conversions of the "hit all enemies in range if 2 handing" because of the astral conversion is well worth the unarmed archetype imo
Rat Banner goes crazy with Grave Chant. The Rat Flourisher spawns, then summons a Rat Peltast when it dies. Grave Chant also spawns a Cadaver for every allied unit that dies. So one Rat Flourisher gives you 4 allies in total.
>>541866447Singing is for elvish weaklingst. HADOR WARRIOR
>>541867248>You can check them in the Nemesis section, during character creation. Wait really? Is that a new thing because it would have saved many of my runs
>>541869258Ye.I mean, you can fuckin... Shit, man, you can check on the enemies whenever you can see them. In combat? Check the right side of the screen- Every enemy icon there, you can click on for an in-depth description of their abilities.World map? Click on the enemy icon above the selection area- It shows you each enemy you'll face in each area on the world map and shows you all the area enemies in the upcoming zone once you're in subscreen. Click whichever one you wanna check out and hover over their abilities, see what stat is increased by the higher cycle.And yeah. Nemesis, Powers, Armory on the character creation screen. All a huge help. You can see the prayers and weapons your class and religion get in the top right, too, if ya didn't know
>>541869674Yeah I know but when you can see the komc is anti melee and youre a melee build it's a little late, I didn't realize that the nemesis section show you what king you're gonna get if that's what you meant
>>541872320Oh, nah.Just what they are in general. I was thinking, if you wanted to plan around all their abilities instead of playing russian roulette
>>541869183Anroth is just extremely powerful all around
>>541867248This.It changes the difficulty a lot.Robak and voggite are easily the hardest obelisk bosses while the horror giant is very easy in my experience.And the astral dungeon bosses are also wildly varied in difficulty. In my experience the blood dungeon is very easy, so is the flower, while the mind warren is harder and the ice dungeon is a bitch.
I punch myself in the face with Pine Cleaver and get berserk stacks. It's actually not a bad synergy.
>>541866447>>541867075Anything that's like, in 1st or 3rd person?
>>541889326There is FP-rogue if you want a roguelike in first person
>>541889326Devil tower I guess
Roguelikes with shock collars?
Damn, I wish there was a Shiren game with classes and abilities and progression and stuff. I guess I could play Etrian MD again, but I don't like having a whole party and the game is kinda bad overall.
>>541911487Why is the game bad?
>>541911687You snowball pretty hard making it kinda boring, playing with an entire party is a chore and the AI for it is stupid, and the FOE (or DOE in that game) base raids get annoying.Okay, it might not be BAD bad, but it's kinda mediocre at best.
>>541901610Roguelikes with cock shollars?
>>541901610>>541914549Barony has an asphyxiation collar and its even styled like a bdsm one.Sulfur has a bdsm mouth gag which they call a "rudolph nose".
man the difficulty ramps up a ton on floor 7+beat the second boss and made it to the caverns and promptly had to retreat, i'm guessing I need to work my way back up through lower levels to gear up more or something
>>541917653It feels like you should retreat whenever you get to a new set of floors once you get a couple of equipment pieces there so you can ID them and level them up. It makes things easier without having to start from the very bottom.Remember to always stock one crystal to return safely tho, that shit gets you out of pretty much any unwinnable boss fight.
>>541919585That kinda feels like cheating though... And empty padding...I wonder if a fully naked is plausible.
>>541919834It sets your character back to level 1, it's not like you're cheesing the game. And you can't really do a fully naked run because you need at least one weapon to attack. I guess you could try to sneak past everything up until the boss, but since you need to kill the boss to even advance to the next level, I don't really kow how you could beat it.Myabe using spells like in Parasite Eve, but they seem to be only useable once per trip to the dungeon, or at least I haven't played enough to see if you can use them more times.
>>541922702I don't mean naked as in no equipment at all, I mean starting naked and only using what you get during that run.
>>541922935You can probably do that, doing a full run without going back to the entrance to restock once.I would've tried it before, but I really wanted those extra inventory slots. I was weak...
Got my dick stepped on in Vault:5 and all I got was a seething hatred for the game.I had rF+++ and like 120 HP, I should've just popped an immolate scroll too. I really thought quaffing Haste/Brilliance on the downstairs would do it. Hindsight 20/20, I remember that whenever I heard V:5 mentioned back in the day 90% of strats were to "TP out of the ambush" instead of trying to bruteforce it. Spellspark casting Permafrost Eruption with my Magma Cannon, Rimeblight and weaving Fire Storm with M.Blast didn't cut it. Maybe if I cast Rimeblight a couple more times? Should've realized. The game ender was the Ancient Lich chain petrifying me, though, and I was taking too much side damage heal quaffing to just firestorm him a couple times.
Welp, guess I'm not allowed to play Elin anymore since this keeps happening when I start the game! Nice!
Ok then. Based based based.
>>541932109mods?
>>541934084A bunch of portrait mods, that's about it. Currently sifting through them to find out exactly which one is fucking up my game and why something as simple as a png destroys my entire main menu.
scifi roguelikes? tired of playing fantasyslop
