Faded Glory EditionStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomGame Save Analyzer / Tacker:https://silksong-completionist.com/Previous Thread>>540722702
>>540984639Man, aging hits so hard. Still have respect for her though.
>he didn't enter the citadel of song through the wisp thicket*CLAP* YOU *CLAP* DID *CLAP* NOT *CLAP* BEAT *CLAP* THE *CLAP* GAME *CLAP*
>>540985569Would have been nice if we could have saved her if we didn't use her heart in the ritual.
>>540986342You dont have to, anonYou can use the other 3 hearts and just let her live
>>540986808I guess with GMS gone, eventually her subjects would start worshiping her as much as they did in the past and perhaps she would be rejuvenated that way.
Not the most difficult of achievements, but I finally finished the Journal!
fuck flea juggle
>>540988181Congrats! You pretty much have one of the top 5 rarest achievements (according to steam)It's really not that hard to get. I think the only mark you can actually get locked out of getting is Shakra's. But I could be wrong
>>540988914Shakra's, Garmond's, and some of the end game bosses are not required for it. Those don't have a "dot" in the list once you get the farsight set up in your home. They appear in their places if you get them, but don't count towards the completion>t. Got the memento and achievement before beating lost lace
>>540984639How many ants did she birth?
How much padding do you think there is in the 100% under 30 hours achievement? I remember for Hollowknight, I think I did 100% under 10, but I got the "beat the game under 10 hours" achievement at the same time as I got the "under 5 hours" one so I don't quite remember. Basically, I think I had a lot of time to spare.
>>540989179Oh then nevermindIn that case yeah I'm surprised how low the number is for the Hunter's journal. It's one of the 2 mementos with an achievement (3 if you count the surface memento but that's if you did the Mr Mushroom quest)
>>540989593Probably because it involves essentially finding every single nook and cranny of the game. There's a lot of enemies that are hidden, and many require backtracking to a spot because you didn't have the thing (Silk Soar being a big one) and of course you wouldn't be looking for spots to use an ability you don't have when you're first going through an area.
>>540989593Well you need to KILL multiple of each enemy, so it inevitably turns into some amount of grinding, which I'm sure most casual players were not going to do. It isnt too bad, but it's still something you have to go out of your way to do
>>540989905>is surprised a Medroidvania involves backtracking like Metroid and Castlevania
>>540978779>Alright, tell me your favorite Silksnog bug so I may horribly disfigure it with anime booba.Eva. Pressing them against the glass inside of her tank.
>>540989905Personally, I knew going in that there was PROBABLY going to be a wall climb and double jump, so I marked every place that I saw that looked like they needed it, but silksoar was not predictable
As requested in the last thread, I sketched a larger than expected Lace.
>>540990124BASED
So you guys know that bug that attacks the safe home in Far Fields? The one where you break the door to it? Yeah, I missed that. Now, in Act 3, he appears in Far Fields to the left. Guess this is necessary to get the two entries in the encyclopedia.
>>540990124Sherma giving her paizuri while Hornet watches
>>540990124Need industrial quantities of silk to maintain those.
Do you need to do an arena of antz before getting the dash in farfeilds?I watched a video today where somebody said it was necessary, but I didnt do that. I can't remember if I did some kind of light skip or whatever
>>540990284There is another one in memorium.
>>540990494Right, but that one is always there, I think, and you need 2.
>>540990330...And now I'm reminded of those genetically modified goats that have silk proteins in their milk.
Wish you were able to have a memory boss fight with Shakra's master. She could've gave you her beads or something to give to Shakra.
>>540990284>So you guys know that bug that attacks the safe home in Far Fields? The one where you break the door to it? Yeah, I missed that. Now, in Act 3, he appears in Far Fields to the leftI never got either of these
>>540990124I need to see her tit mogging Hornet and Hornet being jealous
>>540990124>Lace being the one with curves and booba>With Hornet being a flatty and stickK-kino...
>>540990746Did you open the gate that held the bug in Far Fields? Not the gate to the safe home, but the one with the flea?Does the one in the memorium leave in Act 3? If so, he might be roaming the chambers then.
>>540989905Personally i always remembered to backtrack to areas. I love Metroidvanias so it's second nature to backtrackThat and at the start of the game to go the opposite way in case of secretsAnd checking walls
>>540991035oh yeah, I remember now, my bad
>>540990124holy silk
>>540990702DlcTrust the plan
>>540990080Nono, I mean like there's a hole covered by foliage that you need Silk Soar for, and when you're doing it however many hours before you get Silk Soar, you're not looking for things to use Silk Soar on, because you don't know it's going to be a thing. As opposed to a ledge that's just out of reach that's clear as a day so you can safely assume you can come back after getting some movement tech.
>>540989905The ones that gave me trouble were the muckmaggots and sandcarvers. I didn't even know you could kill either one until I accidentally threw a voltvessel bolo into the water at sinner's road.
>>540990124This is why Lace was able to stay pure while Phantom became frayed. Lace had bigger silk reserves like her mother
>>540991256That's the exact same way i found out how to kill the Muckmaggots. I threw a volt bolo in there by accident and just unlocked it
>>540990124OH holy
>>540991506i would've unironically quit the game if Sherma met Mylas fate.
>>540991506We need a HK band>Hornet on needolin>Sherma on TING TING TING and male vocals>Myla on female vocals>Shakra backing vocals and precussionWho am I missing? Can someone make a HK band fanart??
>>540992013that guy from the slab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTnZdEl0a0
>>540992013Lace as the conductor
>>540991256>>540991412Seriously? That's cool, but I would've never guessed. How do you kill the sand carvers? The same way?
>>540991240There are way too many places where a ray of light shines, like you can use a Silk Soar there, but it does fuckin' nothing, you just bump into ceiling. And in the reverse, many places whwre you can use Silk Soar are NOT indicated by a ray of light. Both combined is just bullshit.
>>540993410Yeah, that's how I did it. I assume something else with an AOE like the bombs would work too.
honeymoon phase is over, every new silksong video I get on my feed are heavy critics
>>540993410Yeah. Any enemy you can't really attack (like the ground hazard ones) you can just throw the shock grenade at
>>540993915I mostly get a bunch of speedrun tech and deep dive "what if you do x long before you're supposed to" autism.
Been in Act 3 for a while. Just now remembered Loam. Certainly he's fine despite being in a rusty underground building with lots of machinery during constant, city shattering earth earthquakes.Maybe I'll go run and sing with him again. Brb.
>>540994471Say hi to him for me.
>>540994210Same
>>540992013Phantom on keys
>>540994210Act 1 faydown is unreal lmaoPeople used it to do a minimum percentage run that beats the game with only 5 bosses killed and no needolin lmao
I think having shakra help me in gauntlets actually makes things worse, she starts spazzing all over the place and spamming rings and shit and I end up dead because I can't see what the fuck is going on
if you needed shakra's help on any gauntlet, you didn't beat the game.
>>540994958Just spam Cogflies and Wisps and tacks.
>>540995092I didn't tell her to help me in Hunter's, she just showed up.
>>540995182She shows up to help if you're there before youre "supposed" to be. IE, if you've not reached bellhart, shellwood, greymore yet. If you reached the upper half of ACT 1, she'll not be there, thus ensuring that you can beat the game
>>540994934I kinda want to try it myself one day, even though I know it will probably take me like an hour.>>540995380But that would require looking it up beforehand, which also means you did not beat the game.
Is the electric thingy better than the poison thingy? It certainly looks coolerAlso is there no proper electric boss besides that lame worm?
>>540995380>>540995556the catch 22 situation
>>540995578The electric thing electrifies your silk skills, not your tools. So they have two very different uses.
Sisters are for supporting one another.
tips for lace 2 pls
>>540996072Pure Vessel equivalent of Phantom in dlc soon
>>540995556Anon it took the people who made no clawline faydown cloak videos like 5h with save states
>>540996141Hit her more times than she hits you
>>540996460That's because they had to figure it out from scratch.
This game desperately needs a NG+ mode where all crests are unlocked at the start>pure witch run for the insanely kino moveset>pure architect to toolrape every boss>pure shaman to electric silkrape the worldI need this
>>540996746Okay anonYou can do it in 1hI believe in you
havent played since week 1, have they buffed/nerfed anything other than sister splinter and the environment damage nerfs?
>>540996797>>pure architect to toolrape every bossenjoy farming
>>540997360I'm not certain but after starting a new game I swear there are less flying enemies in general in the early game>>540996141jumping a lot and pogoing worked for me, make sure to dash away when she does the upward attack though
>>540990124Fuckin sweet
heh
>>540998185>green plipsydbtg
>>540998316woah that shape looks like my head (im godot robot)
I'm at my wits end with Flea Juggle. I'm on PSN and I'm this fucking close to just copying my save from my PS5 and having someone else do it for me. Fuck this shitty ass minigame.
>>540998623Use shaman and do regular attacks not up attacks
>>540998742That works?
>>540998623>>540999119.The direction the regular flea bounces is based on the side you hit them on..You don't have to hit upwards.Don't jump..Longclaw may help you. (Oh maybe the effect is removed. Idk).Shaman can give reach. Wanderer or Beast can give speed.
>>540998475Yes, anon, your way of beating the game was the one true way. We're all very proud of you.
>Silksong is a good ga- ACK!!
>>541000125a good h-game alrighta good ryona game alrighta good ntr game alrighta good eroge (short for erotic game) alrighta good porn game alrighta good guroge (short for erotic grotesque game) alrighta good weg alright (short for western erotic game)
uh oh melty
>>540998623Beat it second try after switching to shaman. With it you can hit as soon as flea turns toward the ground. Gives a lot of time to reposition.
>>541000635this is short for melty blood a visual novel fighting game by french bread and typemoon
>>541000125Does Hornet have children? If she's been with mates to the end of their life span, wouldn't reason she'd have a few children by now?
>>541001013She is infertile as all weavers. Need a wyrmcock for this.
>>541001231Are wyrms special or something? (I didn't play much of HK1)
>>541002157Yeah my cock is generally just more fertile than cocks lesser beings
>>541001231Weavers aren't infertile, they just have trouble with pregnancy
Watching people play who are actually good at this game really makes me feel bad.
>>541000821Newest one was disappointing Where the fuck is Len
>he used a crest to "beat" the gameShiggy diggy
>>541004137Let's see your unedited full cursed run then.
>>541004338I'm talking about the naked, unarmed moveset you get in the slab
>>541004439Then let's see that. Surely you've beaten the game, right?
>>541004523Here's the pic to prove it and a link to my YT vods channelhttps://youtu.be/Vuw8SRDNEDI?si=MMnZLEylbmSkihl2
it needs to e said, this game was designed for speedrunners only
>>541005394Alright, I believe you.
I really dont fucking get Lace 2I never know whether she's going to jump or dash, it's fucking annoying
>>541005884You have to kiss her
>>541005884time to use "that"
What's a fun but still strong build that isn't just poison tool spam or flint/flea abuse with generic attack spam?
>>541006278Getting good with clawline, basically.
>>541006278beastwitch with trobio's toolvolt shamananything with cross stitch
>>541006278>witch crest>TROBBIO's mirrors>multibinder>injector bandEssentially turns the bind into a hentai rape nuke, but requires skill in execution. Greatly hinders exploration as healing is limited, thougheverRest of the loadout play by ear>shaman>pale nales up, threadstorm middle, silkspear down>voltvyrm>weavelight or spool extended>flea badge that lowers spell cost at full hpArchitect>use tools that are specifically extra mechanical, such as>sawblades on down, cogflies on up, etc. Not poisoned>actually attempt to get used to scuttlebrace>sawtooth circletGo full mechanical monster. Biggest downside here is shardfarming...
How did the same people who designed great fights like Phantom, Widow and First Sinner also make irredeemable trash like the unravelled, raging conchfly or savage fly?
you guys don't realize it yet but we are seeing a pattern take place here. It goes as follows>doom 2016massive success, revitalizes old IP and brings new people, everyone's happy>doom eternalcancer aids design, the only people who liked it are terminally online turbospergs obsessed with frame per second and repetition, despite this the game sold well on account of its lingering fame from Doom 2016>Doom the dark agesrolled back a little on the fuckup that was eternal, but the damage has been done, the playerbase that felt betrayed didn0t comebackNow let's compare with Hollow Knight>Hollow Knight 1massive success, everyone's happy>Silk Songcancer aids design, the only people who liked it are terminally online turbospergs obsessed with frame per second and repetition, despite this the game sold well on account of its lingering fame from Hollow Knight 1(We are here)>HK 3DOA
>Zylotol doesn't sing for the needolin in act 3what are the implications
>>541008108I wish I had your confidence in the absence of any real knowledge, it's admirable.
>>540984639A question here to the lore anons: if all the other civs in Pharloom ganged up on the citadel (Verdania, Karaks, ants, whatever the fuck was Shellwood, the wisp cultists and the stilkin) would they win? The citadel is at full power except for the weaver's. Personally I think they all together would have had a good shot at it, though GMS might just stomp them. Though the fire guys were building a flame god, and Verdania had the Pale Stag.
>>541005629I hate speedrunning and I liked itI did enjoy radianting every boss in HK though
>>541007835too much greatness makes them all bland... must be their thought process because I have no idea
>>541008613everyones immortal and just respawns whenever anyone sits down on a bench so no one can beat anyone and none of it matters
>>541008613Higher being overall just stomp. Their only real downside is that they can't fight for shit. Radiance included. But GMS can just "haunt" everyone
>>541007835Phantom, Widow, and First Sinner are all important story/lore bosses so they get high effortRaging Conchfly anr Savage beasflies are clearly just shitty area mid-bosses they put little effort intoUnravelled should have been a cool hidden optional super boss but for some reason they were extremely lazy with him (maybe because he's a well hidden optional boss they expected most to miss like king of flames or maybe they added him late into development when they were already burnt out)
>>541007835Unraveled only bad because his hitbox is way bigger than it looks.
>>541007835I liked raging conchfly, I first tried it. The movement was fun.
>>541008613It's kinda weird because the peak of Pharloom is directly dependent on the resource access it got by defeating the neighboring groups in detail. I imagine that had they formed a coalition early they'd likely beat Pharloom at large by starving the Citadel out, but the history seems to revolve around them having moments of weakness leading them to become vassals before being subsumed into Pharloom directly.Additionally, there's the matter >>541009421 mentions, though with how shit Great Mother Silk seems to be at direct fighting and the various NPCs showing the Haunting was a piecemeal "assuming direct control" rather than functioning an ongoing hazard the idea of winning a "siege" seems to still be viable, if even more ruinously costly.
is it ok to kill the lava deep docks duo in act 2
>>541009569>maybe because he's a well hidden optional bossHe's needed for the silk heart. Idk if those are optional, but even if so, it's still something nice to have.
>>541010701I killed them in Act 2. In fact, do everything you can in Act 2.Act 3 is uh... A mess.
explain the storywhy gms badwhy she created lace and other weaverswhat are weavers forI'm tired
So, is her belly meant to allude to both pregnancy and arachnid-abdomen? Is she also meant to allude to being defeated by pride? Doesn't really feel like she's trying in her fight
>>541010237Even without Silk I still think the citadel can at least take some of them down though, and that's due to them being able to just use the dead to fuel their machines. I reckon a few sentinels, Lace and one or two grand reeds could do quite the damage. Though a siege could still be held, simply because the Citadel's supply routes seem really shit. The other armies just need to hold the blasted steps, because the stilkimg already can hold the other route. (I think Groal and a small group of his tribe could possibly kill Phantom, while also destroying the Exhaust Organ).
>>541010237My assumption is that the citadel divided and conquored the land over time and everyone else just kept "not my problem"ing until it was their problem and it was too late to stop the steamroll
>>541007835raging conchfly is so much better than great conchflies. the latter fight was fucking boring.
>>541011656'Stilkin. Sorry if there any other typos
How do I get there, I don't see any hole or breakable wall there
>>541010742I didnt find him until after clearing act 3 so theyre optionalIt sure would have been nice to find him sooner though
>>541011108She's a woman in power (always bad)She's a woman she wants to breedWomenThe story sucks I miss Pale King
>>541011858
>>541011108>explain the story
>>541011108>why gms bad>why she created lace and other weavers>what are weavers forThe answer to these seems to be so tightly entangled as to be the same: Desperation to be "A Mother" despite being ordinarily sterile with a really horribly controlling sense of "motherhood".
>>541011108The qrd is this>GMS is a pale being>she wants children but cant have them for [reason]>so she uplifts normal spooders into weavers>this is ontop of the passive buff of making bugs around them sentient, which I believe all pale beings have>they create the citadel and use it to basically scam the bugs of pharloom into servitude for their whims>over time conquer the land surrounding and basically ravish all of pharloom except small pockets that escape the ire of the place>while this is happening, high caste bugs in pharloom begin experimenting with injecting silk into their bodies, so they too can live forever. This is a double edged sword because while it does technically work, it also will eventually give GMS control of their bodies if she ever wants or needs>weavers come to realize they're not "legitimate" daughters of Silk, but rather uplifted bugs, basically making them one step above the normal bugs instead of the gods they thought they were>the first of these was the first sinner, whom was locked away by gms to try and prevent everyone else from finding out, too>in the end, they did find out, and in rebellion, they convert the purpose of the citadel of song to being entirely dedicated to putting GMS into a slumber and keeping her asleep>GMS begins to wake up, probably as the power of the citadel begins to wane without her providing limitless silk for the feedback loop economy to function>weavers fuck off, some running, some hiding, some resettling in hallownest and presumably other neighboring kingdoms>herrah gets PLAPPED by the Pale King and births Hornet>GMS now in a half-state of being awake after nearly all the weavers have departed>the haunting begins. GMS takes control of the silk that's in most boogs and bends them to her will. She sends them out to search for weavers and weaverspawn. Presumably she needs them to regain full power>during this, she spins Phantom and Lace
>>541012627Oh nice
lowkey I feel like hk lore boils down to a few bugs having their own version of toxoplasmosis mind control and basically hk is a zombie game
>>541012796>>541012810>>541012896I must be a total boneheaded faggot that missed a lot of shit in the game, but where it is stated that she is unable to give birth?
>>541012627I've been in there its just an empty room
>>541013217pics or didn't happen
>>541013145lowkey frfr ongod skrat bruv
>>541013168I think it's stated that higher beings can only have kids with other higher beings. And due to unavailability of other highers beings she first uplifted the spooders, and then made Pahntom/lace. I don't remember it being stated that GMS was sterile.
>>540989589I'm currently doing it. In Act 3 doing the hearts quest and my time is almost 14 hours. Used a guide for item locations but routed on my own.
>>541012896>phantom was fucked up because she didnt know what she was doing>Lace was better, but still not a "perfect" creation>despite this, she does actually love them, just like she loved the weavers she uplifted>but she's a retarded bitch and that love is sidelined by her inherent nature to dominate and control which comes from her being a pale>honrey is captured and brought to pharloom>Lace frees her and tries to kill her because she believes her mom want to replace her with horney>hornet now has two choices by the end of act 2. Usurp her role as monarch and become a weaverqueen herself, trap her using sniggersnail voidmagic to free pharloom>as the trap is sprung, Hornet is about to be pulled down into the void with her, instead, Lace jumps in and saves her out of a couple reason. Mostly because she didnt want her mom to have the satisfaction of killing/binding Hornet, even if she was about to die, but probably also because Hornet was nice to her after their recent fight>now, at the end of life, GMS finally realizes that she should be a mother instead of a cunt and rages against to void to keep Lave alive, thus causing Pharloom to come under threat AGAIN>Hornet pulls the everbloom out of her memory by recalling her 3 mother figures who actually did a good job raising her and instilling good values in her. Herrah, Vespa, and the White Lady, were all good moms who made Hornet who she was. As opposed to GMS who was a terrible mother her entire life up until the last moments>Hornet dives into the void cocoon and frees lace, telling Silk that she's going to save her>Silk's last act is to give up the rest of herself so that the two of them can superjump to safety>Lace laughcries because she finally realizes that her mom did care about her, but now she's goneIn the end, Silksong is a game about motherhood and how women are fuckups
>>541013168I dont believe it's directly stated, which is Why that post says >[reasons]But it's implied because if she could have had children of her own, she probably would have
>>541013894>>Lace laughcries for the Nth time, it's a laugh, it's a straight up laugh, you cannot hear anything other than a laugh
>>541013726>I think it's stated that higher beings can only have kids with other higher beings.Hornet relies on this not being the case, unless you think Weavers are close-enough. Which would be SUCH a bittersweet irony, chimping out for not being GMS's "real" biological descendants yet just god-enough to have the EXACT same fertility problem.
>>541013726>I think it's stated that higher beings can only have kids with other higher beings. How was Hornet conceived then? Herrah wasn't "divine" as First Sinner said.
>>541013894Also, the jury is still out on this, but there is some evidence to suggest that>the citadel of song existed before GMS usurped it>it was originally an aesetic Monastery for faithful bugs that worshiped some vague higher power that isn't directly stated>there is one statue deep in the vaults that hint at this, which looks like a normal bug that doesn't seem to match with the currently architecture of the citadel or any weavershit>the last conductor's dialog also can be interpreted as the weavers and gms usurping the purpose of the citadel that existed before
>>541014298Autist
What am I supposed to do in this room marked with a little target sign? I go in, there's a couple ant guys and a target, and that's all. I've tried throwing stuff at the target and nothing happens.
Why didn't GMS just try to find another pale being? It's not like she was on a time limit.
>>541013279Nta, but there was an anon a few threads ago that posted pics of him in weird rooms like this across Pharloom. I think there was a room in Bellhart. Maybe one in Wormways too. Can't remember.
>>541015547Nothing until act 3.
>>540985994>Ghost achieves his goal and retreats back to his home place to peacefully rest with his siblings (while still being alive and well)>NOOOOO I COULD HAVE SAVED HIM (????)What a fucking dogshit parallel. Hornet saved Lace so her mom would spare Pharloom and die alone. No more, no less.
>>541015861>>Ghost achieves his goal and retreats back to his home place to peacefully rest with his siblings (while still being alive and well)Anon... the main message of the first game is about being more than just your duty/granted purpose. Even Hornet dislikes that , Ghost serves his sacrifical purpose given to him by the PK and is laid to rest. That's why she's bittersweet
>>541015681NTA, but I'm in awe with game design decisions like that. How exactly should I decipher that I should use curveclaw and not any other weapon for something to happen?
I'm giving myself 5 tries at an honorable duel with Lace 2 and after that I'm spamming poison tacks and flybots
>>541015861She had absolutely fuck-all options to do anything to help Hallownest actually get over the Infection because she had no access to dream-bullshit that's step one of getting at the Radiance, and the last bit of Wyrm-Root-baby dying with the Void not to be seen again until Sister of the Void perfectly well justifies a guilt complex about it, especially given the question of whether the Shade is even the same person as the Vessel given Ghost's own can be encountered separately and is default hostile.So as far as Hornet knew, she was impotent (couldn't save ANYTHING in Hallownest) and had literally no way to distinguish what happened from a mutual kill.
>>541016693obviously you should just know it magically, just like you should beat everything first try, that way you wouldn't experience the dreaded runbacks and the like, the game is perfect, no criticism allowed
>>541015861Retardkun, she literally says, "this one the dark will not take"Just because you don't like lace (shit taste) doesn't mean Hornet doesn't like lace
>>541016693You bought it from an ant, the targets are set up by ants, and arranged in a way that only really the curveclaw or shakra's rings would hit them all. Out of those two, the curveclaw makes more sense.
>>541016905But I never used the curveclaw
>>541017037You missed out, it's a great tool and a lot of fun.
>>541016905It does not align with the fact that you have a throwing challenge in marrow.
>>541016905that all sounds reasonable but there is no hint or nudge towards the idea of hitting all the targets with one single attack
>>541013168
>>541017129The ant that was standing there who burrows under the ground is standing in the exact spot you would need to hit them all
>>541017037It's a great tool
>>541017129True, but eventually you would try the curveclaw if you're going through tools to throw at them and notice the flight pattern it takes matches up with the targets.
>>541017281>eventually you wouldAnd what if I don't?
>>541017270that's reaching>>541017281>every player would go back and forth through the bench and the target room to try every single toolyeah, no
>>541017449Then you probably don't use the curveclaw enough for it to be worth upgrading. It's not like it counts towards completion percentage anyway.
Stage 4 Garmond and Zaza is such a bitch to fight
rendeokigaeeeetodaeeeemezaso
>>541018723I dont remember who says any of these
>>541016905>You bought it from an anI didn't, I fucking hate the economy in this game and the way they decided to implement it in a metroidvania by combining it with a souls-like currency loss upon death. Why? Because fuck you, you will now have to traverse the path to your shade/cocoon/soul cocoon/scrap pile by ignoring every enemy possible as to not get a scratch, truly a game design of all times, making you go through every game mechanic possible.This is further brought down by the fact that you literally have to FARM rosaries by killing randos, at least HK1 had Coliseum.So no, I just found it lying on the ground.>>541017945It's still counts towards gating content behind random bullshit that seems logical only in the developers' heads.
>>540996072I like that they made her lighter since lore-wise we know she turned gray with time.
da, fenestra
>>541018870They reduced some costs. The final needle upgrade was 900 rosies for me, but I hear it's 680 now.Also, curveclaw is one of the tools you can get for free once the seller dies iirc.
>>541012796I can help with that...
GARAMA
>>541020120
>>541016154Only if we're assuming DNM is the canon ending like the artist did. ETV is all about Ghost going far beyond that purpose for his own true grander goal: seeking power and dominance. It's extremely important for his character and the reason why the Shade Lord jumpscare exists.
I am one mask and one silk short of an upgrade at the end of Act 2. Did I miss them somewhere or do I get them later?
>>541020282
>>5410212404 masks are act 3 exclusiveYou can get all spools before act 3 tho, so you are missing oneGood luckThe one most people are missing is under the elevator in whiteward
Void gauntlets in Act 3 are such ass
>>541016894Would Hornet still go to the abyss and save Lace if the snare worked perfectly and Pharloom was set free of GMS's haunting?
>>541021982Act 3 is ass, karmelita is the only good part
Lace in frilly modern clothes? I think so.
Didn't get a quill just for this.
>>541022592Based purple quill enjoyer
Man, everything feels so slow and bad after getting used to wanderer.
>>541022478The snare working perfectly implies that lace isnt down there. Her being down there is why it didn't work. Your question is meaningless and you are a fool, but a cute fool, at that
How long until somebody figures out how to get act 1 silk soar?
>>541022816You misunderstood my post. I know Lace being there ruined it, I was just bringing up a hypothetical scenario where Pharloom was no longer in any danger, because Hornet's primary objective when going down to the abyss twice was to save Pharloom, which just happened to be done by saving Lace.
>>541023208So you mean would she go down to save lace if the black threads didn't show up? In that scenario I don't think she would have any indication that Lace could be saved. It would simply look like the trap worked exactly as intended, with the only extra consequence being that Lace died with GMS as well. So no, she wouldn't go down before she wouldn't know she was still alive
I just beat Lace a second time and now there's a glowy thing ahead of me. How much longer until I enter Act 3?
>>541024528About 5 minutes if you're good.
>>541024528You HAVE been doing all of the shitty quests and finding all the fleas, right?
>>541024646Cool, so like an hour.>>541025073Yeah, I feel like I've done everything. Does anything open up between now (beating the boss I mentioned) and the start of Act 3 that I should go back for or do I just plow ahead?
>>541025221Pretty sure the only things you get locked out of in act 3 are the Shakra and Garmund fights so if youve done those might as well go ahead
>>541019182mejima fora
>>540985994the ghost didn't die though he's literally a void being that went to go live with his siblings in the void, it's his shell that got left behind
>>541026479Is that french?
>>541024528Just go up and do the thing. You can return to do act 3 later.
>>541022592this is one of the most artificial (soul) things ive seen
>>540992013Karmelita humming
>>540984639This game really could have used that Ender mechanic where rooms you've got everything in are one color and rooms with hidden shit still are another color
>>540995556>even though I know it will probably take me like an hour.It took me longer the normal way because I'm not a celeste troon
>first trailer has SHAW and ADEELO when attacking We were robbed.
>>541028196https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/158
It's joever
hey it's cool you're not getting hit as much on your 8th playthrough but can you make a randomizer pls
Soooo if we fight some GMS rematch in a future dlc ... does she join our side after or something? Lace is with us. Or is she just gonna job as always
>>541023208Hornet would say job's done and move on. The only reason she's preserving Lace is a silent agreement between GM Silk and her that she will save her, and Hornet's not one to renege on the agreement. Otherwise it's way too much effort and a lot to ask from the citizens.
>>540998316I genuinely bought it at full price after Silksong release so I could beat it and then play Silksong.
Turns out even bad gamers like me can beat the final boss!Now I'll do Mommy Silk while being cursed. Wish me luck.
>>541033962patience and persistence are the key, it took me 140 hours to get 112% completion in hollow knight
>>541035119To be fair, I did scale the entire map multiple times just to find more hidden things. Although I still have to finish Sands of Karak and Bilewater. But apart from that there's not a lot more to do before Act 3.
>>541035301Oh, this was GMS. Yeah, she's not even the real final boss, that's why she's so easy.
>>541035429I'll see if I can 100% it without looking stuff up. Wish me luck, frens.
>>541014364Maybe odds of success are just better from a male higher being since it’s a higher being’s influence put into a lower being (which they do on the regular) while a lower being’s material put into a higher being would be unable to interact with divine material or simply break down on contact. It would take an extra special babymaker (White Lady maybe) to make mortal skeet viable.
>>541035697I think GMS was just a femcel
>>541036426Yeah that is probably the final word on her. Hornet popped up on GMS’s silk radar and GMS even had an idea what the father was and still stayed at home hoarding pet spiders instead of flying off for a dose of wyrm spyrm.
>>541008613Timeline wise I think the Karak civilization died out way before the rise of Pharloom.My personal headcanon is that the Karak civilization had its own 'awakening', that through the influence of some greater being they were also elevated to a higher state of consciousness, instead of silk it was the Crust/Coral. Khan might've been the equivalent of the Pale King to pre-GMS Pharloom. But then something happened and their age came to an end, possibly all the water dried up, Khan couldn't stop it so he sealed himself up in his tower with his soldiers and left the Watcher on guard in case life returned to Karak.In the mean time after Khan's death what life remained in Karak/Pharloom reverted back to being mindless bugs, notably some of them being the Pharlids. Khan's mask has almost the same shape as a Pharlid, and we know those Pharlids eventually turned into Weavers. Might've just been a coincidence in the character design but crustaceans and arachnids happen to share a very very distant ancestry. So Karak might have been the main civ before Pharloom.
I hate pre-boss gauntlets
>>541039078>Pharloom was not born of that monarch, Old One. Power existed in these lands even before she bound them beneath her.The Snail Shamans say that Pharloom as an entity did exist before GMS took it over
>>541040648Was it still called Pharloom? Because the loom part doesn't really make any fucking sense without the thread aspect of the divine being associated with it.
Just finished replaying HK and what is it with Team Cherry and BS final bosses.Both Radiance and LL are too RNG heavy, Radiance is basically bullshit until you look up somewhere that you can desolate dive spam through the bad RNG on her attacks. And that's a hidden tech not explained anywhere in the game!Only got hit twice on my winning attempt. Once in phase 2, and another hit during the climb because I got cocky. The charms were strength, heart, shaman, lifeblood core.
Silksong bug, anime booba, you know the drill. Send em'.
>>541043565do the Pinstress!
>>541043646Granny...
>>541043565Phantom...
What NPC's can they make into boss fights in the future updates/DLC?>Seamstress obviously, it's clear that she's hiding her power level and that Fourth Chorus was defeated by her>maybe Pinstress + Seamstress a la Oro and Mato>Shakra's master (dream fight)Who else?
>>541044000Third pinstress sister in a memory fight, "Hornet, Hero of Pharloom" in a dream fight from Sherma, Unbound Widow (pre silk-pinning), Complete Phantom (not unraveled), Guardian Cohort (second guardian with friends)
>>541044000Watcher at the Edge at his prime before he went to sleepFather of the Flame origin story fight
>>541044000Nuu's overzealous Huntmaster dad that comes to hunt Hornet for trying to kiss his daughter and when she explains that she did not and she in fact rejected Nuu's advances the dad gets even more enraged
I'm slowly getting around to 100%ing the game and so far I still can't find any reason not to use Wanderer or Reaper crest. The DPS from Wanderer lets me just ignore even Act 3 boss mechanics and burn them down.
>>541043565Bratty muckmaggots
>>541002157Wyrms can change themselves. Pale King simply turned himself into a perfect mate for Weavers.Either that, or it's just Wyrm higher being magic (how did he impregnate a root?).
>>541045785I suspect childmaking is different when you get to the realm of gods. Essensemixing or some shit. PK took a form more similar to his subject, but he was still not a bug like them.
>>541045878And yet Silk failed to get pregnant, so I assume it's specific to Roots and Wyrms.
>>541045613Reaper is unironically the worst crest in the game. Lowest damage and silk generation. It makes platforming easier and has long reach on its attacks so people fall into this noob trap thinking it's a solid crest when it's far behind all the others.Wanderer is amazing, but only 1 tool slot and short reach.Hunter has no downsides and with the focus upgrade it shreds through bosses. All good players are using Hunter.
>>541045952She didn't have a godly being on hand. If anything, Pharloom was a very lonely place for her. No doubt Hornet could get her pregnant with the Silkdong if things didn't turn out as badly as they did.
>>541045952Also it's interesting that Wyrms are a whole species of higher beings, and yet all other higher beings in HK/Silksong are seemingly unique. I Wyrms are an exception to "no breeding" rule.
>>541046118Wyrms are a godly "tribe", most other pale beings came to be naturally, created by their surrounding. Silk was most likely kind of similar to Nyleth originally, a plant being that attained divinity; there are silkflowers growing around Pharloom, after all.
>>541022592If there's ever a NG+ mode, this should be one of the things you get to keep.
>>541022878Even with the Wisp Thicket route, once you enter that one main hall, Act 2 starts. Dunno if there's a way around it.
>>541028639Nice.
>>541046269>kind of similar to Nyleth originally, a plant being that attained divinityI thought all hearts were explicitly a "mortal" power. Divinity is the opposite of that
crawfather fight is so fucking fun with cross stitch, completely ignoring whatever he's doing and slapping his big hitbox for focus
>>541048560top 5 easiest bosses in the game
>>541048560I love Cross Stitch so much
>>541026480Also Pale King didn't "kill" any kid. Those that died became void beings and return
>thighs eight times as thick as Hornet's torsoGood lord
>>541050026They didn't have Void Heart, tho, so they indeed died when their shell was gone. "Shell" acts as a "Mask", mask is what gives them personality.
>>541051880Simply not true. Hollow Knight retains his personality and form even in shade form
>>541044000>Who else?Lost Fayforn.
>>541053047>formThey all do>personalityDoes he? I guess there are some leftovers of it, considering all siblings help the Knight.
>>541053448What I'm saying is that on some level they might die - but all the void children keep existing down there.
Weirdly i feel a little bad for GMS I don't think lying to the weavers about their orgin was done out of malice she committed the whole truth but signs point to that being out of a desire for connection rather then control
>>541028639Tips?
>>541055719It's easier if you cheat.
I got to the architect vendor, now how do I get to the elevator in the underworkds to leave?
>>541057714Do you mean the diving bell? That's an act 3 thing
>>541057916Its the underworks architect twelve I think, the one who sells the architect key in the underworks
>>541057714Trek downwards, there's a lever that activates a bridge between the two halves of the underworks.
>>541055719Quit to menu whenever you're low on health. Don't take chances. Get Fractured Mask asap, and ALWAYS have it on. It breaking is the cue to quit to menu, no matter what. Hazards don't care about your iframes so be very careful around them. If you get knocked into them after a hit that breaks your mask, you'll lose the save.
>1 morbillion varieties of pilgrim>no place where all of them are presentwhy
Wtf, I didn't know this was a thing.
>>541043646Here you go. Granny is senile.. please understand...
RETAR-LA
>>541061036>Hidden behind waterfallHow many PoP tier hidden areas this game have?
>>541026480>>541050026>>541053047To repeat myself, how do you expect HORNET to be sure about any of this? Does she even have a clear reason to assume Ghost is what took out the Infection by killing the Radiance or do the Husks just drop one day after some weird dreams of Ghost beating the shit out of her and the only thing she ever finds of them after is a broken mask?
>>541062668I'm still angry and upset.
>>541062668bromond... broza...
>>541062668Retar means to challenge (to a duel, fight, race, etc) in spanish and the suffix la would make it "to challenge her", coincidence?
>>541043565Gilly
>>541062668They're really going with that dark souls bullshit of notable npcs dying
>air vent full speed directly into unavoidable Gurr spike trapI'm only now just realising it was no coincidence those traps were there. He knew I was following him and put them there on purpose, the prick.
>>541045345Kek>DID YOU TRY TO KISS MY DAUGHTER??>no, sir, she tried to kiss me. I did not allow it>YOU DIDN'T LET MY DAUGHTER KISS YOU? RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>541048560
>>541063494I never understood how the hell those traps are hanging in the air. Are there some invisible wires or something? Everything else in Silksong have clear supports, nothing is floating.
>>541061656>*flys away from you*>heh, nothin personelle
>>541044000Uncrippled Widow
>>541043565Karmelita HHHNNNGGGGGGGHHHHHH
The wall climbing controls is maddening
>>541064234Use Ascendant's Grip yellow tool.Use dash to climb the wall without jumping.
the ant queen is kicking my butt.>get to phase 2 first try>get to phase 3 second try>next 5 tries die in 3 >next 5 tries die in phase 2>next 5 tries die in phase 1>die in the gauntlet
>>541064497Its not the slipping thats fucking with me, its when I want to jump to the left/right wall I often just glide
>>541064684Eventually you'll get to Phase 3 every time. Then die there, many, many times.It's a good fight though. Fair.
>>541064796I never had a problem with that, but some Anon in this thread advised to not let go of the clinging until you already jumped. Basically don't press directional key in the direction of the jump.
>>541043565>>540990104
>>541064796Don't move the stick away from the wall before pressing the jump button. Took me a while to realize I was doing this
*ahem*runbacks and pre boss gauntlets should NOT be a thing in '25
>>541065071*ahem*Stop playing the game if you don't like playing the game
>>541065071People romanticize wasting time
>>541065394Nigga you are playing a video gameYour time is worth nothing
>>541065394As opposed to spending your time productively playing vidya?
>>541065071I don't mind the gauntlets so much because I can engage my brain during them. I can decide to finish the enemies a different way / see how I can do it more efficiently. But I honestly can't come up with a valid reason why boss runbacks should exist. What is the point? Why make the player do it?
Bellend HermitHe's like the Bell Hermit except he lives in a big foreskin.
>>541065596Tension. Doesn't let you get into a routine, resets your brain between each try. When you lose to the boss, you have a chance to not regain your stuff if you don't do the runback clean enough. You might hate the tension, but the tension makes the emotional release when you win way stronger. People who argue against that on principle just cannot comprehend delayed gratification.
>>541065071>runbacks You get used to the pain, and learn to block out the memory of it. It's a tradition in this game series, it wouldn't be HK game if it didn't have runbacks.>gauntletsOverall Silksong is too fascinated with gauntlets. In HK being killed in the gauntlet would be ridiculous, but in Silksong random-ass gauntlets in the middle of nowhere are seemingly as hard as Colosseum of Fools from HK.
>>541065887Valid and fair.I still don't like 'em though.
How do I get behind this in the secret key area of Deep Docks?I got all the way to the point where I need that grappling hook shit to open another door, but I doubt it'd wrap all the way back around because that's like 3 areas furtherI feel like I checked all the walls heading back left in following areas & didn't find anything
>>541065887and then they invented the cocoon retriever item because they realized the game is difficult and bloated as fuck already but they rather put a bandaid instead of just outright removing the dated mechanic of runbacks
>>541066418different entrance from another area, it's quest related so you should find it eventually
>>541066418>but I doubt it'd wrap all the way back around because that's like 3 areas furtherIt does
>>541066418They're not doors, it's an unfoldable tunnel. It will never be accessible from this side.>I got all the way to the point where I need that grappling hook shit to open another door, but I doubt it'd wrap all the way back around because that's like 3 areas furtherDon't doubt.
Is there anything in murglin besides the ruined tool? Nothing hidden here?
>>541066596The retriever is there not to cancel the runback. It's there in case you decide to do something else instead of the bossfight for now. That's literally the only usecase.
>>541067072
>>541067143That is only theory, in practice, the player also has to take another travel to the nearest station, and if they ever want to retry the challenge they have to make the trip back on foot, which is why almost always the player will rather bash their head against the wall, yet another proof of retarded game design that was left there because they did it in the first game but they failed to update the mechanics for the expanded world of SilkSong
>>541067196Nice
>>541067196Lace would have another sibking real fast
https://files.catbox.moe/qvo64z.mp4has anyone had this glitch happen with soul master before?
>>541067473You say it like HK is worse than Silksong in the terms of runback, but in HK you can disregard any runback and literally TELEPORT straight to the boss. In Silksong you can only teleport to bellway station, not to arbitrary locations.
kek
>>541067143There's also deaths in exploration and probably cases where the cocoon can end up quite a bit away from the intended path.>>541068626Dreamgate is Hidden Dreams DLC behind 900 Essence, not base game with trivial access, so it's not AS noteworthy that Silksong lacks such a tool.
>>541069020Hidden Dreams is included inside the base game. Also you get 900 Essence earlier in HK than you get Beastling Call in Silksong.
Really hate the ocd bait in this game I thought indie games were above that
>>541069325the what now
>>541069185>you get Beastling Call in SilksongYou guys keep saying this like it's a teleport, it is NOT a teleport, it's a fast travel to the last used station so you can fast travel from there, it's QOL that should have been in the game and nowhere close to what I would expect from an actual teleport, yet again, more proof of retarded annoying time wasting design.
>>541061656The belly pouch
>>541046118If I had to guess, the limitation is on the certain higher beings that are the Gods of specific things.GMS is the God of SIlk, the Radiance is the God of Light/Essence, the Nightmare Heart is the God of Nightmares.Wyrms and Roots are higher beings but they don't have a specific association and as such, have the freedom to do what they want.Then there's Ghost as the Lord of Shades where you could probably argue either way.
>>541069552Game should have fast travel to any rooms you have already cleared from the map screen.We have no need for outdated, timewasting game design anymore. It's 2025!
>>541071454yes, that's right
>>541071454>>541071574"Rooms" are a waste of time. "Teleporting" is a waste of time.The game should just spawn abstract platforming sequences followed by bosses in a central lobby.Every time you succeed in a jump, the game autosaves and you never have to do that same jump again. Same for fighting enemies.
>>541071908Gameplay is a waste of time. The game should just tell me "you are winner" immediately after I start it so that I can get my dopamine fix immediately.
>>541069185>Hidden Dreams is included inside the base game.The point is that it was not a day-one assumption of the base game. And Silksong was originally planned as another DLC and so there is a very real chance that such structural decisions were settled before Hidden Dreams introduced an exception.
>>541061656I see she still got it.In another note, anyone notice how she can take a few pins to the butt and sleep on Mt Fay and still be fine? No damage nor freeze to death. Is she special?
>>541071908>>541072004I like it, let's make a game anons
>>541061656Now do her sister anon.
>>541072489Sounds like too much work, games should make themselves.
>>541064684That's the problem with slow runbacks and arenas before a battle. Wears you down and breaks your attention and momentum from the boss. You end up finding yourself making really easy mistakes. You start to get bored faster and lose focus.
>>541072638I like itgrok, chatgpt, computer, code and run a winner simulator for me asap
I can't regonize trobbios ground tornado attack pattern wtf
Shell Satchel should be base game and Dead Bug's Purse should be deleted tbdesu
Hollow Knight 2 was great, I need Grime 2 now
>>541072728It should also inject heroin and fent into me when I win. For free.
>>541067107Nah, just lore stuff.
>>541073096As with everything else TRRROBBIOOOO, he does it when he feels like it.Simple as.
>>541073157Music has been perfected, so all this "original soundtrack" garbage is a waste of money and time.All games should play Travis Scot's "FE!N" on repeat.
>>541073096jump over the first pass then keep running to the wall, his second pass wont cover the entire arena and you'll be safe from the tornados he shoots out
>>541074252What I mean is when while he's on the ground and starts to tornado I don't see the pattern when he does it compared to the air to tornado attack
>>541074787When I melee him on the ground sometimes he tornado and sometimes he doesn't what the fuck is up with that. No consistency at all
>>541075183He's Trobbio, he does whatever the fuck he wants.
>>541073825>>541075621Except for tornado (which I couldn't figure out and just trusted intuition instead), all his moves are extremely clearly telegraphed. Are you suffering from photosensitive seizure or something?
You guys jest but there is a reason that to this day the mantis boss is the most beloved moment in HK, action games should be built around human's reaction speed, the mantis boss nailed that soft spot were its fast paced, but telegraphed enough for the player to learn on the run. In Silk Song tries to be harder by artificial means, 2 mask damage, runbacks, contact damage, adds spam, and attacks that are barely telegraphed, all of this largely result in battles that need to be retried, the core gameplay loop becomes retrying a boss until the rng attack pattern favors you, or until your muscle memory gets you through, none of the bosses in Silk Song hit the soft spot that the mantis boss did, and therefore the game becomes a dull exercise of repetition until you get through. HK was accidental genius, and SilkSong proves that Team Cherry has no idea what they are doing. I'm sorry, but that's the cold hard truth.
>>541075939>and attacks that are barely telegraphedThose so-called "attacks" are actually counterattacks. Just don't attack while the opponent is blocking, and you'll be fine.
Cool fight I nuked her with poison laser lol
>>541076497Same. "Clashed blades" - nope, there were no blades, lol
>>541076585I did land several blade hits, mostly pogoing, but I'm pretty sure lasers and robot flies still did most of the work
Also reserve bind seems a better option than fractured mask, no? If I get to the point in a bossfight where I'm one hit away from death I'm probably gonna die anyway lol
I heard that Fractured Mask protects you from 1+1 mask damage like pollen, drills, frenzy attack, etc. Is that true?
>>541076906Yeah, you'll take one damage, the mask will break, and you'll go into your post damage i-frames.
>>541075939Continuing my rambling, the tools are another thing that bothers me, there is a reason why "you did not beat the game" became a meme. The devs noticed the game was too hard due to bullshit mechanics and so they gave the player quite literally their own bullshit to respond with, in the form of tools, but most of the time it feels like a cheap way out of a fight, which result in players using them as a last resort, after they get bored of retrying the same boss, or get worn out from the runbacks. This, again, contradicts the concept of learning the enemy patterns on the go and be able to react on time, like it happened with the mantis battle.
>>541076497>herit
The most unforgivable bullshit due to how entirely pointless and unnecessary it is is making you pay to refill tools.
>>541077423You literally reversed the cause and effect. Tools came fist, difficulty increased as a response to tools.
>>541077578Based, fuck Clankers
>>541077641No, it's necessary because it stops you crutching forever. You have to be profoundly brown-souled to run out of tools and think "game forces me to grind!" instead of "yeah, I should buck up and stop coping".
>>541077423Bro, you were always meant to use tools. They're part of who Hornet is.
>>541077578>>541077797SEX with ROBOT GIRLSFISTING NEEDY ROBUSSY
>>541062914There was a time when she just assumed all 1,000 of her siblings were normal bugs taken by the void corruption and instead of being literal void entities.
>>541077578It has a girl's voice therefore it's a she
>>541077423>but most of the time it feels like a cheap way out of a fightThere are three variants:1) You just used your needle. You did not use Red Tools, Silk Skills, Clawline, did not change your crest: you stupidly brute-forced the fight. Likely because you don't have enough attention span to attack with more than one button. You did not prepare. Out of character for Hornet. Not intended way to fight.2) You used everything in your arsenal. You customized crest and red/blue/yellow tools, crest and silk skills for this specific fight. Intended way to fight.3) You camped somewhere in the corner near the ceiling, untouchable, and bombed the boss with bombs'n'stuff. You cheesed the fight. Would not happen if Silksong was real. Not intended way to fight. Would be patched in the next patch.
I had a gamer moment today, bros
I've never used the fire buff thing, is it good?
holy fuck thank you I was scared shitless this didn't exist
>>541074787Its his basic attack there is no prerequisite attack pattern to it, you are fucked if he starts it when you start hitting him
>>541078458Good for Mount Fay. It doesn't truly warm you up, but it does pause the freeze timer and health damage for a few seconds. Good panic button.
Where's the boss retry mod? I want to refight Skarina.
>>541063328He's don quichote coded
>>541075939>contact damage is not telegraphedHow the fuck is the boss's actual position on screen not telegraphedDont fucking run into itDumbass
>>541075939>>541077423I really didn’t have that much trouble with any of the bosses or the tool crafting system and I’m not a god at metroidvanias either. I’m more of a pvp game player, so I’m used to truly playing against “human reaction time” level opponents. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that none of the bosses in SS have any moves that exceed the human ability to react.
Welp apparently everything I haven't done yet is exclusive to act 3, so I guess I just have to git gud and go beat that stupid bich lace
>>541077685>>541077985If that's so, then that highlights yet another issue that I see in SilkSong, pretty much all of the changes that I perceive to bad design stem from the Dev's idea of what the MC should be like, which, in turn, stem from "taking itself too seriously", I need to explain this part, there is a certain free spirit that permeates Hollo Knight 1, like, you can tell it was a game done on the fly, with multiple changes, like an experiment were they left in the things they liked the most, but there is something silly, non serious about it also, the way the mc moves, almost like a puppet controlled by strings, the inclusion of comedy characters like Zote. This non attached attitude permeated the aura of the game, it's like the devs achieved zen mode and flow state in real life and the game came flawless by intuition.Then comes Silksong, all this focus on what was once side character, now turned MC creates expectations, and to not betray said expectations, the devs now take everything serious, the game HAS to be hard because that's what the character is about. The game HAS to have tools because that is what the character is about, despite the silk skills being virtually a good enough substitution to the knight's skills, etc. Fastforward 7 years and we get the bloated overdesigned mess that is SilkSong. I'm sorry, but this is the cold hard truth.
>>541078448Well done!
>>541078885Nobody is forcing you play it. HK is still right there, it didn't go anywhere.
At the top of Mt Fay I didn't realise the cloak was keeping you warm I thought I wasn't freezing because I was nuzzling the big moth guy.
>>541078885Hollow Knight is not a flawless game. You’re delusional.
Literally just make all closed arenas operate on Memory mechanics of resetting tool/shard count on death, make magnet tool attract shards, and increase drop rate in later regions.There, you fixed the tool system.
I find Silksong better and more fun than Hollow Knight.
climbing the craddle is so fun they should add even more fucking wall spikes to make it even more FUN
Sometimes when I explore a path and all that's at the end of it is a shard vein I don't even bother harvesting the shards, just to show my disdain.
>>541079497This, but unironically. And add enemies that pop out of the Hornet-sized safe zones if you stay there too long, with their attacks doing two mask damage and knocking you into spikes.
>>541061656These are funny
>>541079532They all will fall into spikes, anyway.
>>541079532can't wait to play a randomizer and my reward for climbing mt fay without clawline is 12 shards
>>541079819I wouldn’t even be mad, that would be funny
Normal Radiance was definitely harder than LL, but that might be because of runback consisting of defeating a freakin' end-game boss.I definitely struggled more in Silksong in early game than I struggled in HK early game. I'm taling about literal hours of re-attempts of the same boss/gauntlet. But Silksong in late-game was pretty easy, HK late-game got hard again after easier midgame. But other Anons seems like struggling in late-game Silksong, so that might be just a me thing, I dunno.I never defeated Absolute Radiance because I fuckin' hate no-save boss-rush, so I can't comment on that.
>>541079819You can climb it without clawline?
Were the cogflies fucking nerfed? it feels like they have way less hp.
>>541079616they are there to give you infinite healing, you dummy, and there are always safe spots at the tunnel intersections
>>541079819ten shards can be heard clinking down the mountain, quieter and quieter
>>541079985https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9LS9KuCJo
>>541079819Why would you bother doing that in a randomizer?
is there any cool/competent male character in silksong or only girls get to be badass?
>>541079819Silksong already have a built-in randomizer area.
>>541080123it's her turn, chud
>>541080037>there are always safe spots at the tunnel intersectionsThere shouldn't be is what I'm saying. Always keep the player moving, no breathing. You can rest when you're dead or you've made it to the top.
>>541080086I had Voidheart at the end of the Path of Pain once.
>>541080123Sherma's cool, you dunce
>>541079995According to wiki, they have less hp now:>Reduced number of hits that a Cogfly can take from 6 to 5.(Well, if you trust wiki. Personally I wouldn't trust it)
>>541080335Sherma is fucking retarded
>hey we have made a boss that its absolute garbage with literally 0 dangerous moves, how do we make it actually hard?>give it a massive 2 mask hitbox and spears randomly shitting out of the ground lmao we are such genius game designersIt truly boggles the mind that some of these optional bosses made it past testing
No, (You) are retarded!
>>541080335>Wouldn't have even made his pilgrimage if not for Hornet opening every gate and murdering thousands of bugs to clear a path>Needs to be rescued by Hornet after he makes it to the Citadel thanks to her
>>541080370Anyone who managed to climb from Bone Bottom all the way to Songclave without needing to be saved is badass. (Whiteward don't count, that happened after arriving)
>>541080410it isn't that hard, just be patient.
>>541080497He still arrives in Songclave even if you don't open those doors
I feel like there's stuff in Whiteward I haven't discovered, should really go back there. I've got the spool from under the elevator and done the Sherma rescue but I just FEEL there's more shit there. The area is taunting me.
>>541080365No I do trust it, because they die faster. Also it seems like the hit count reset when changing room was fixed, fuck.
>>541079995They also nerfed the max Cogwork Wheel from 16 capacity to 10.Tacks probably on the chopping block next
>>541080410Are you talking about Watcher at the Edge? It's a very boring boss. Just overdose on plasmium.
>>541080123Sherma is remarkably competent for a kid. He ends up being the de facto leader of songclave.
>>541080868>Tacks probably on the chopping block nextThey were already nerfed, they despawn quicker.
>>541080981Only because the shaman probably handed his garb over to the bug closest to him, which just so happened to be Sherma. He also probably knew Sherma would be too dumb to question why he's a snail.
>>541081039HuhI would know that if Team Cherry weren't massive fucking faggots who could write the actual important gameplay changes on the fucking patch notes.
Wow architect cress kicks butt, I might have seen the lightI'll still use reaper for pogoing sections tho, FUCK diagonal pogo
>>541081117You’re coping. Sherma is epic.
Some of those "undocumented changes" might be just bugs, lol.It's kinda a miracle that such a big open-world game had a tame amount of bugs, I expected much worse.
>>541080868glad I already cheesed the game wih architect + broken tools before the nerfs because I did not want to learn shit like lost lace/coral tower/karmelitabut I'm sad that I'll have to actually play the game for whatever dumb shit the dlcs are gonna be
>>541081213Hunter's diagonal pogo is fine for platforming. You get used to it.
lmao what?
>>541061656Goddamn juicy work anon
>>541081614NTA but for some reason when I went to Greymoor I avoided the Chapel until doing the entire rest of the area. I spent hours HOURS with Hunter crest doing that pogo section where you have to bounce off 3 of those rat flies and several balloons and all that was at the top was a lore tablet.
>>541081605>lost lace/coral tower/karmelitaI won against them with needle-only (not because of pride, I'm just always out of shards). They're relatively easy.
My favorite moment during any weaver fight is when their inner pharlid takes over and they just wildly slashing and grunting.
WTF
>>541081605Coral Tower and Karmelita are both super fun once you embrace the learning. Honestly 2 of the most rewarding combat sections in the game.I haven't reached Lost Lace yet so can't comment.
>>541081921You now realize the void creature didn't want that to happen.
>>541082025>>541081921This is part of their life cycle, they metamorphose inside of the Grubfather.
>>541081614>Hunter's diagonal pogo is fine for platforming. You get used to it.nta but I just don't want to. game peaked in HK, every change is just LE HARDCORE GAMER GIT GUD non fun bulsshit
>>541081954I can imagine karmelita being fun but FUCK coral towerfighting flying ennemies after flying ennemies in a restricted area was just not funat least they had the decency of adding a skip once you get far enough but I still hated it
>>541081921I expected some evolved Grub sighting in Silksong desu
>>541076497>>541076585You didn't prove clarity of your intent. Haunted ahh motherfucker.
>>541081765Relative to which SS bosses?
