Locktober Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-04-2025-update.80693/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>541072479
ICEFROG IS A SANDNIGGERTHE ONLY REASON DEADLOCK & DOTA ARE NOT REGION LOCKED IS BECAUSE OF HIMNO SYMPATHY FOR THIRDIESRUSSIANS ARE THE INDIANS OF EUROPE, LITERAL JEET TIER NIGGERS THAT SHIT UP EVERYTHING THEY TOUCHYOU WILL NEVER MEET AN HONEST RUSSIAN IN YOUR LIFE - THEY'RE ALL SCUMMY SUBHUMAN HIV INFESTED FAS BABIESVALVE ARE SUBHUMAN TRANNIES AND NEED TO BE RAPED FOR ALLOWING NIGGERS TO TOUCH THEIR GAMES
>geistposter is a chastitychadnot surprised desu
we need a new character called the Yapper
Yeah that's a bug report moment
>>541152246there are at least 5 cheaters in this webm according to that one guy
おはよみなさん。バフどこですか?
>>541152490
>>541152246>magic carpet seven flies in to rescue geist with a full health barlmAO
If you have hacks you can teleport an enemy during a team fight so they don't die and then report them/tell your teammates so they report them. I don't know if I've gotten anyone banned for this but it's fucking hilarious to imagine I have.Are we allowed to post hacks here? What about camp timers and auto-parry? Like was said in the previous thread it's the definition of emergent gameplay and it takes two seconds on youtube to see even the pros using camp timers and fov increases, so I'm honestly curious. What about wall hacks for people that are hard of hearing? I'm so fucking deaf that hearing people walk up behind me is basically impossible.
>>541151819I just really wish ivy didn't sound like a retarded mexican.
>>541152594I tried my hardest but we still won.
>>541152423You'll never know. He should install at least some map timers, its a super basic QoL increase and literally can't get you banned. Counting isn't hard but there is no reason not to have it. Same with boosting his FoV a bit, look how zoomed in he is. There is shit he could install, again with no chance at him being banned, that will make the game look better.also an auto parry woulda kept him alive.
that 'pro' match they just played was good
>>541151819what if it was /ddlg/ and we pretended to be little girls on deadlock lol
>>541152994wait, that's not how you're supposed to play the game already?
>>541152994I prefer pretending to be retarded.
>>541153225mannnn i dont even need to pretend
>>541152994who you callin little
>>541152490yamato is already good
>>541153289stfu twink mcree
>>541153289we're talking about your penis
>>541153324eh, she's basically just a worse pocket right now for way more effort
>>541152186It’s a beautiful picture though
I can only win on shiv
>>541153514>worst pocketmaybe>way more effortno way
You know, I can go on and on about how cheats are super common and how Icefrog is a cunt and how gaming in general would be better if he was dead but what's the point. The game will die even if I say nothing and I can cheat even if I don't tell anyone.Does anyone have a favorite mod? I've been using some from gamingbanana to change everyone into a green blob for the lulz. Bebop Viscous is hilarious. Is there any hope for custom games ala dota 2?
>>541153747icefrog GAWD destroyed your mental completely with his insane and blessed game design, honestly no one can compare
Only mod I'll ever use is one to restore neon prime yamato when she gets updated.
>>541153579Pockets not even hard, I don't see why you're saying no way.He has a shitload of damage burst with big aoe massive damage ult that you can't even debuff remove anymore, if you're behind as Pocket you can always be extremely useful and he has so much burst and movement that Pocket always buys a ton of early green items which almost invalidates the lower spirit resistance.If you're behind as Yamato you're an useless piece of shit.I'm not saying he's broken but he's usually very very VERY good and it's not a really complicated hero.
>billy chains me>lose line of sight so the chain breaks>pulls me in anywaynothing is consistent in this game and when you go and report stuff like this to the devs the patch notes are like "added +3% souls to tier 1 camps" great job guys problem solved
>>541154028I honestly thought they patched the game so that is how it works but I geuss not.
>>541153973Yeah honestly while I love her she only feels good if you're at least doing decent, being behind as her is torture
>>541153869Should've just shortened it to iceGAWD.
>>541153973yeah but le skill ceiling lmao *ignore that his skillfloor is also low*
INTIMATE PHYSICAL RELATIONS WITH THE DOORMAN!!!!plus tip.
how did ‘pro’ niggas lose to a 2/12 refresher/rescue beam drifter
Who would of thought the doorfags would be more obnoxious than minafags.
>>541154526if he refreshes his ult does it blind two new people? or does it refresh the blind on the already blind
lmao the cuck hotel
>>541154526This might be a shock anon but these "pro" guys are really fucking shit and mostly abused stacking/FOTM hero abuse to get to high rank.Once the game gets actual pro games, teams and money rewards 99.9% of these guys will disappear.
>>541153908I just want everyone to be goo, at least for one game. I would be so happy.anyways i wish only the worst upon Icefrog. I was so disappointing when I found out he was working on this game but it explains so much. This game is going to be less like itself and more like a direct copy of dota 2 with every update. Then its going to die, because people will just play dota 2 instead. It's all so sad.
>>541154813why wouldn't they swap abrams to a diff lane that didnt have shiv, do pros even swap lanes in this
>>541154813Deadlock as an esport will be significantly smaller then Dota 2, which is already pretty damn small. Esports in general is a bubble that's bursting so this whole post is just pretty funny.again, these two games compete against each other.
if you copy mina's ult with sinclair do you copy the amount of stacks she has or are you cucked into a zero stack swarm
>>541155029>these two games compete against each otherNo one gives a shit about dota in 2025 except chinks and peruvians.The moment they do a TI compendium for deadlock it's game over.
>>5411552130 bats, it's complete dogshit.
>>541155250there's also basically no overlap, rts 2d players are interested in that, not a 3d movement shooter
>>541152994pretend?
>>541155290why the FUCK do they hate sinclair this much god fucking damn it
>>541155213you don't copy her stacks. using an infinite stacking ult is actually weird. If you get a kill/assist with Mo&K or Grey Talon ult THEY will get the stacks from your kill.
>>541155495copying and using Mina ult as magician wont give her stacks though, since you aren't copying her passive.
>>541155029esports is a bubble for retarded companies like blizzardvalve might as well print money with the international when they actually cared
>>541155495>tfw stole MnK ult so many times to turn ganksthat's so mind bogglingly stupid i'm actually impressed
>>541155495>THEY will get the stacks from your kill.people are playing this game "professionally"
Deathy really has 0 charisma huh
>>541155250Dota 2 had like five times the player base of Deadlock back when people actually cared about Deadlock. Now all the streamers who played this game are done with it. You're going to get boost in players every patch, sure, it's a free valve game, but they're going back to dota 2 or whatever shooter they normally play after a month.Dota 2 = free = 700k players.Deadlock = free = new valve game = 180k players at highest.Dota 2 is a beta, Deadlock is an alpha. For what little that matters.I just don't see how Deadlock can stay alive. I get it, skins and whales and there are a lot of Chinese and Russians to pander to. But the game becomes more and more like dota 2 every patch. Is it really going to have a player base of 100k players? Will steam keep it alive if it always sits around 20k? Why isn't there a functional anticheat and why am I allowed to teleport around the enemy team and then report them for cheating? Why can I get access to this game just by messaging a bot? i don't understand.
>>541155495unbelievably based. No wonder people play this game professionally.
>>541156035dota 2 is so popular their general can barely fart out 100 posts by the time a /dlg/ thread hits the archive
>>541155495Factually incorrect
>>541156035>Dota 2 had like five times the player base of Deadlock back when people actually cared about DeadlockDeadlock is not even close to being out, it's literally still an invite only closed alpha filled to the brim with bugs, WIP shit and you can only play it by begging someone you know to let you in you dumb fucking nigger.This sentence alone is so insanely low IQ that it's enough to not give half a shit about the rest of this post, I genuinely lost brain cells reading that, your fucking steam account should be deleted for this level of retardation.
>>541151819She’s so pretty…
>>541155701dota 2 has like 700k players and that shit is still small time. The closest we have is league of legends and that only exists because of the chinese. A million dollar prize and contracts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars is hard to comprehend but league is HUGE-HUGE.It makes sense though because china is huge and valve has never had a functional anti-cheat to make their sport an actual sport. Can't have a football league when everyone is cheating, ectect. Or when most of your players are bots.
>>541156289Here we go with this cope again
>>541156174that's because the game died out here in the west. I tried going back to it after many years and It took like 6 minutes to find a match. After that someone quit mid match as well.
>>541154526that drifter literally won them the game btw
I must correct Mina with my penis
>>541154365he's so cute i can't stand it
wtf I love wraith now?first game and this is my score!?ooh baby here comes a new main
>>541156404>>541156174It didn't die. It was murdered by peruvians. Pray that does not happen to deadlock
>>541156595don't you know? playing a character you haven't touched before puts you in a lower elo.
Gun Holliday > Spirit Holliday
Not even my solo queue games get this bad
>>541156817then you haven't known true suffering
>>541155495>>541155859>>541156049This general falls for trolls and disinfo too easily.Mo & Krill: Sinclair gains max health. MnK do not.Grey Talon: Sinclair doesn't get permanent spirit power. Neither does Grey Talon. Sinclair's copied owl ult shows the number of stacks Sinclair SHOULD have on the HUD, but these are phantom stacks and don't give him anything.
>>541156289The game will not fundamentally change no matter what you tell yourself. You will, however, treat having one fewer or additional lane as being some huge and profound change to the games mechanics. Your take is so low IQ that it's honestly painful.We're at the "update models to look slightly better" stage, not the "Change fundamental aspects of the game" stage. You will, however, get more gimmicks and changes to objectives and lanes. The game itself is finished though. So have fun knowing that how you buy items might change or how... now you need to board trains to travel across the map or something else.god i hate icefrog and how so many basic issues with the game could be solved if he wasn't a real person. Imagine a world where valve games have a working anti-cheat and where heroes with a win-rate of 60%+ actually get dealt with. but no. gotta pander to russians and the chinese, cultures where cheating is just so god damn important.
>>541156645qrd on the peruvian situation.
>>541156817The people in charge have the 2000 mentality for match making. Five people who are really bad with one person who is really good is considered good match balance. It's not going to get better, you just need to deal with it.fuck icefrog.
>>541156906Peruvians queued on NA and games were unbearable because it was a dice roll on who gets the peruvians.Same with russians/chinks in europe.While it was a big factor the real reason is that icefrog straight up killed the game with dogshit patches and shitty changes that changed shit just for the sake of change while making old mechanics that added a big skill curve between levels into brainless shit.
stumbled upon this last night, it's pretty good for people looking to learn schmovement.https://youtu.be/Sc9byVPwfd4
can the guy talking about paige's holes come back instead of this one schizo
>>541156864The mo and krill thing makes sense but the Grey Talon thing is obviously a bug that just hasn't been fixed. Sinclair is a weird champ btw, none of hit kit feels like it works together. I really wish the ultimate stealing mechanic was on another character but if I had any hope for this game improving it's been gone for awhile.If I were to change sinclair I'd make his focus turning people into rabbits and move the ability steal gimmick to a character who can take advantage of it better. It just feels so off on him. sadly its gone forever, stuck on a character who just doesn't do enough to be picked.
>get stunned 100-0 when unstoppable wears off>have to wait 70 seconds to play againso let me leave? Do I just uninstall? bitchy boring game loop
>>541157221I use auto parry and will never stop. Same with map timers and something to help with securing/stealing souls.
>>541157073I really have never seen a game with such an incompetent team behind the matchmaking its impressive in a way
>>541156367I'm going to point out, if CS go did not have skins you could buy, sell and gamble it would have like 15 players.
>>541156906They are just annoying griefers. They have no social contract over there so they just play in selfish autistic ways. There are things called role queue tokens where you play support to get to play carry but they just pick carries and build carry items anyway. Nobody wants to play with them and even pro players have commented about how bad it is
>>541157751This is just dota balance. If you get picked off, you lose the game, that's why the timers are so long. You're not meant to respawn. It makes the early game feel pointless while putting a ton of priority on the late game and makes a meta where people are forced to play super safe and not engage with other players. There is a reason vision hacks and the 'farm farm farm' meta is so prevalent, the gameplay loop rewards the hell out of it.These are all intentional things done by Icefrog and only by Icefrog.
>is fed yellow panic and cold war propaganda since birth>uses this to justify cheatingI know I should be reporting trolls and not indirectly replying to them, but this is quite interesting how chauvinism is used to justify cheating. He thoughtlessly buys into the convenient myth that your enemies have a cheater culture, so that no matter how much HE cheats he gets to play the victim.
>>541153973affliction isn't really good if you're behind now that they removed most of the %hp damage, its just a regular if extremely annoying dot now that you can resist/regen through if the pocket has shit stats from being behind and/or not landing a good barrage firstI play both characters have a lot of times you just kind of walk into someone and hit every cooldown and get +1 kills before moving on yamato mostly ends there outside of using ult as a ghetto counterspell/debuff remover which pocket already has, meanwhile he has a lot more movement tricks and actually has to reload his gun sometimes (or at least remember to start reloading before hiting 3) instead of just mindlessly M1/split shot M2ing at someone after chaining in. the stuff I'm doing between pressing 4 in the teamfight aka most of the match is more involved, is where I was coming from
>>541157954It's incompetent but intentional. Same with the lack of anti-cheat. When you join the culture you'll start to understand. I just wish every day that Icefrog wasn't a person that existed, the damage he's done to gaming is honestly legendary.I used to think there would be crazy balance changes and mass reworks for whole sets of abilities as they worked on shit in this game seeing as how it's an alpha. But it's literally the same as neon prime. Icefrog will not mess with his base dota mechanics and it's funny as fuck to witness real time. Plus the slow ass release schedule makes me think Valve is already thinking of cutting the lifeline.Maybe, just maybe, in a better world, in a better time, Icefrog will have a stroke and die shitting himself in a hospital. Then the dev team can finally work on adding an anti cheat that actually functions in 2025. Because god damn. I've literally teleported the enemy player and reported them for cheating. I should not be allowed to do that even if it's funny as fuck. Or maybe, just maybe, Icefrog will quit pandering to the chinese and russians and just add a functional anti cheat of his own free will. I don't think that's possible, because I don't think Icefrog is a human but instead a sentient dota map file. Still, a man can dream.
>>541157751>be a fat retard>run into fat retard problems
>>541152246Why did the door not open?
>teammate picks bebopI euthanize
>>541158249>NOOOOOOOO icefrog....LET ME ROAM WITHOUT PENALTY
>>541157221Still here, still jacking off to the idea of Paige's hairy, sweaty butthole. God, those little ginger curls must smell divine...
>>541158313It makes the game funner and everyone uses them anyways. Seriously whats the difference between and auto parry and having a higher FoV? Literally none. What's the issue with something to help me secure souls when ping matters so much for securing them? I get that teleporting the enemy and reporting them for cheating is a dick move but it's hilarious if I got someone banned because the whole team reports them and the replay clearly shows them teleporting.Anyways, if cheating weren't super common and if everyone didn't cheat then there would be an anti cheat. Or at the very fucking least you wouldn't see videos of people hacking all over youtube that are just like, a day or two old. I honestly, genuinely don't think you understand how much a solved issue this is. Valve has a certain culture and it doesn't involve any anti-cheat.
I'm going to kill myself if another person casually rolls or dashes underneath my 1 so I don't get healed as victor one more fucking time.
cheating
>aimbotting a reaction check isn't cheating because... the enemy is cheating too! the game is cheating! i deserve to win every game! it's culture!
making mina cheat on pocket with my cock
What do you think, anons? Should I become part of the aim community?
>>541159195so quirky XD
>>541159654I don’t get why pain battery’s hitbox is so ungenerous. Pair it with the delay and it’s really frustrating to use
The black woman of Valve unοriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>541159134One of the most common and powerful items makes you invisible, goes on every build, and there are no wards to help track enemies. 70 second timers when it takes 20 seconds to get back to base and you have no way to counter ambushes is just bad game design.Honestly though I think it's just the lack of vision - there is a reason vision hacks are so important to have. If you're hard of hearing then it's even more important. The game is balanced around vision hacks and being able to hear the enemy on the map and having the map awareness to know where they are from that. Pretty impossible to do when you can't hear shit.Also buy boots. You can't complain about people catching you when you refuse to move faster.
>>541159654its funny how some abilities get super strict hitboxes and others have hitboxes so large they effectively ignore cover
towers should be stronger
>>541160143>kudzu still goes through wallsand until yoshi changes that i will keep on stealing farm without ever crossing the gap
>>541160143And none of it is based on the visuals of the ability, so you WILL be hit by literally nothing and you WILL like it. Visual clarity? lol we Icefrog now. we don't do that.god im gonna celebrate so hard when he dies. fucking hate that thing so fucking much. how can anyone with so many shit ideas ruin so many fucking games. And by that I mean three because dota seems to be the only thing he's ever worked on. why must god hate me so.
>>541160051
Used this prompt to rate pvp games but deadlock doesn't have much info so LLMs can't be accurate, where do you think it would land?A game like dota 2 would be at the top for example and it constantly rates overwatch 2 and wow arenas to the bottom.
>>541160051never use that shit at close range, consciously back off for like 1 second before you throw it even though your instinct tells you you want to be up inside of the enemy's assholes all the time.
>>541159748Please tell me this is a mod.>>541160007Hell no.
>>541160630How big is Alchemical Flask? That shit feels like it's either an inch wide or the half the lane at complete random.
>>541161053I can't seem to get the hitbox for some abilities to work yet. It's an AoE that ignores LoS, and the range is medium sized unless they get range upgrades which makes it unavoidable.
>>541160709LLMs can't be accurate about anything dipshit form your own critiques. Unrelated but the faggot talking about autoparry 100% sounds like a bot.
>>541160185I don't think the AI can handle all the crazy movements. Being able to parry the tower is one thing, it not doing anything because you're up in the air and flying at 1000 miles is another.My issue is that if you have half health it's almost always a trap to actually stay under walker or turret. It's incredibly easy to dive in this game, because if you leave walker you have no place safe to go. This sucks in a meta where shit can do 600 damage spirit with a single button press from across the map without even landing a direct hit. It's made even worse when the whole enemy team can go invisible on demand and you have no way to keep track of them.there is a reason mobas have a back button. Icefrog is a dumb cunt and he seems to have forgotten this. Which explains why it's better to just die if you gotta go back because you lose more gold if you don't. the fucking retard. and i wish him the worst.
>>541161605found the thread's moron
does anyone have that screenshot of the leaked/datamined new guardian model, where it kinda looks like it's made of signs, lightning rods, and antennas? ty ty
>>541161814hereit's probably going to be something new and not a replacement model for one already in the game
>>541161651>there is a reason mobas have a back button.????
>>541161053Try playing sinclair and you'll see how poorly programmed abilities can be. You want to rabbit? It won't let you. You want to ult? It won't let you. You steal and ult? You didn't because it has a built in delay. Also the way silence interacts when him will break your mind. The clunkyness is the balance. Make something strong but make it hard to control, remove as much skill and reactivity as possible for randomness and one shots. Everything should feel like an engine exploit and should never, ever be intuitive.
>>541161928The Lash incinerator 9000Placed on every roof, whenever it detects near impossible amounts of homosexuality flying in the air it will send a fireball towards it.
>>541161928ty bro
>>541161951It takes too long to get back to base and doing so quickly feels too much like an engine exploit then actual skill.Think of the difference between platforming in Mario and platforming in Counter-strike. One is meant to feel good to play, while the other is extrapolated gameplay from an engine bug. Icefrog only knows how to the later and is allergic to stuff that feels like the former. Play any marble platformer. Now use Viscous ult and realize what could have been if Icefrog was never born.
>>541156595wraith is a babyfood character, I have like a 70% wr on her and dont touch her because its too boring
what's the point of debuff remover when counterspell existsjust parry the bebop bomb and seven stun
>>541162283>league of retards>have to go back to base to purchase items>teleporting back to base takes 3 seconds>waddling back to lane takes 30 seconds>deadlock>can buy items outside of base>zipping back to base takes 15 seconds>zipping to lane again takes 15 secondsif only they thought of some way to get back to base quicklyicefrog is stupid for not adding a teleport with no consequences button so people can vacuum up all the farm and leave
i remember predicting if spirit was actually strong everyone would seethe and basically everyone here gaslit me i was being a retard and that i was a hazetranny funny seeing how things have changed
>>541162603if they have dotniggers like shiv and infernus id buy debuff remover instead
>>541162701spirit has been strong like 3 times in one year and it's always 1-2 characters abusing a couple items more like spirit itself actually being the problem
>>541162779true and despite this the strongest character in the game is a gun character (Ivy), the problem is M1 players are genuinely terrible so balance is kind of a problem
>>541162859M1 heroes should just do less hybrid damage and the balance would be less problematic, Ivy is a special case because despite her main source of damage being gun she just has a busted kit for a carry
>>541161928Pretty sure that's a new midcamp boss, who ever put "guardian" there did not get that from the files
>stomping the game>entire enemy team gets tankier and tankier>dynamo and wraith covering each other and chain stunning me>60 minute loss >3 teammates have less than 35k dmg combined>crash out and uninstall after getting so pissedI'm just sick of it man
>>541163824>be bebop>range maxing>throw hook>miss>goes through a building>GOTCHA>oh shit>its dynamo>lose the game instantly
why am i supposed to be impressed by this wardenshitter clip?
>>541163434Both wrong, this is the payload for the payload gamemode.
>>541164124 seven players suffering is always a highlight
>>541164250yeah, but its a w*rdenshitter. infinitely worse.
are they showing any signs that they'll reduce the game length by release?
Today I saw my first ultbot haze in months.She didn't do that badly, honestly.Why do people say haze ult is bad now?
>>541164410What, 25 minutes is too long for you?Most DotA2 matches last an hour.
>>541164410Yoshi just told me he hopes to double the average round length, sorry.
>>541164520>magically substracts 10 minutes
>>541164457It doesn't kill 6 people in 2 seconds anymore so it's dogshit.
>>541154951They aren't pros whatsoever. I'm ascendant, soon eternus, and I've played in quite a large number of eternus lobbies. Nobody really knows how to play this game. It's the FPS kiddies who are high elo and have never touched a moba. They don't understand game plans, scaling, giving someone priority of farm, all that stuff. Because the game is sort of vaguely designed to not emphasize moba mechanics as MUCH as dota. I still see retard lashes afk farm side lane and soak up thousands of souls to do nothing. I still see people making bad mid calls or overextending when a loss means mid boss. People build good items, but rarely ever counter. Like dude, I buy blood tribute against eternus 6 abrams players and I parry them 5 times in a row after charges and they still don't comprehend they can no longer charge+heavy me. Plus I'm pretty sure half of these "pro teams" aren't even eternus lmao, idk I'm not watching that garbage.
>>541164553>he has 35 minute gamelyl
>>541164410Holy shit this is honestly why I want custom maps and alternate modes so these niggers stop ruining the normal game.
>>541164592>what are averages
>Latest patch 09/04/25Why did Valve abandon Deadlock?
>>541164747Errmmm everything below Eternus doesn't matter because it just doesn't okay
>>541164571Right, it only kills 4 and it takes 5 seconds now...
>>541164760All hands on deck figuring out how to add shiny gambling bling bling guns to a 18 year old game (and half life).
>>541162667this but unironically
>>541164579I have 1745 hours in this game. Before Deadlock I played LoL for 5 minutes before uninstalling it due to how much of a snoozefest it is and how overcomplicated things are. I wish this game would teach the MOBA mechanics more because that's what wins games, but it doesn't. So I end up having to spend hours trying to better understand the game from all levels and I'm only in archon.Should I just play Dota to play my macro better or some shit?
>>541165995no. what a bad idea.
>>541165995Lol no, just think deeper and critically about macro. For instance in dota, say you're playing against a medusa, who's an incredibly late game carry who can 1v6 but is very weak early and needs to farm jungle for like 20 minutes. You have to determine:>Will this medusa solo carry? How are the hero matchups? If she's super fed, will she be able to solo carry or do we have heroes with proper counterplay (i.e. mana burn, disables, etc)>Okay, she's got a perfect matchup. That means I need to invade her jungle and play aggressive since we're not winning this late. I can itemize with disarm items to prevent her from attacking, but as she builds more items she'll just facetank all the shit and win anyways. So it's not even worth building disarm, I just need to build items to play aggressively and take over her jungle.The same applies to deadlock, but the roles are more muted. There's less of a support and carry role, but the same principle still applies if you're playing against an infernus who will totally become an unkillable tank lategame with a right matchup. You have to think:>How do we win this game? (it's either tempo/early/pushing or lategame/scaling, but also identify WHO is contributing to this)>Who is the problem on the enemy team preventing this gameplan? What can I build or how can I play to stop the problem, or how can I assist the gameplan hero on our team?Being able to answer these questions is mostly a question of matchups and itemization, as well as understanding hero powerspikes and timings. Playing dota won't make you understand deadlock items and matchups, but dota definitely makes you think about macro more since you're not hyper focused on trying to aim 24/7 and have more time to think strategy.
I just copped a 6 hour ban because Valve doesn't know how to fucking protect their VPKs from self-corrupting. My fault for using an AMD card I guess. Completely uninstalling this bullshit though, never once abandoned a game besides this issue. Every time it self-corrupts, Steam gets stuck on 0% verification of files and I have to restart the Steam app and my PC to get it running as intended again. Such fucking bullshit. Fuck you Gaben you fat faggot pig.
>>541167421>ayymd
>>541167421>AMDlol
>4 games won in a row>all of them always felt like we were toe to toe, with no discrepancies or snowballing whatsoever>I know what that means>5th game I lost it in an spectacular way with a 0/11 Paige building gun, a 0/14 Seven building god knows what and losing 2 guardians before minute 5thanks Valve, I love state-mandated losses
>>541165995>quit league because of it being "overcomplicated">should I play dota
aaaaaaaaaa the birds aaaaaa
>>541164579deadlock "pros" right now are likely similar to dota 2 pros around TI1. they will fall off soon as better players take over and years from now they will be considered shit.
>>541168421>no bird man hero like the guy from hey arnold that loved pigeons
>>541151819I've been seeing people start to act just like in Dota and it's fucking making the game boring for me:early lane>people try to fight you>sometimes go for kills>have clear fightsafter 9 minutes or post laning>people run from you>they hide behind walkers>won't engage in 1v1 unless they have clear 10k advantage>no duels or cool small fights>only huge teams roaming and flatlining people in seconds or stunlocking for daysRussians are fucking cockroaches
>>541168640>no duels or cool small fightsWhat fucking game are you playing? Every match is a broolfest that has fights between 2-4 heroes escalate to full-on teamfights (maybe with someone desperately trying to backdoor/farm).
>>541168275Well people say Dota is similar to Deadlock than it is LoL. If not, then school me ig.
>>541168640then pick heroes or build items that stop people from running awaydrifter is my brooler of choice because you dont feel that bad falling behind in farm ganking since you get stacks it balances out
>>541152246What games are these where you don't melt in 2 seconds?>American serversoh right...
>get 3 russians on team>all go 0/10 1/11 0/11I'm fucking sick of this. Every single time this happens.It's like these bugmen have an innate desire to rush into battle and die over and over despite there being zero chance of winning. Just keep dying off the zipline; again and again and again...I need a way to lock these deserting meatsacks out of my games. This is pure torture.I have yet to meet a SINGLE decent russian player. Even if they get kills and don't die a gorillion times they just swear at everyone in chat in russian even if everyone else is doing better than them.I just want to play with other westerners man...I didn't even hate russians before I played deadlock. Funny how such a brief exposure could make me hate a whole race.
>>541169141What makes more sense, learning 600 abilities and 200 items? Or observing comp games and reviewing some of your own replays?
>>541169668confirmation biasalso see >>541046071use your brain, nonny, don't be a brainless retard
really hope they drop the hammer on mina tomorrow.probably gonna stop playing until they do because i'm tired of her doing something gay and then blinking 50 miles away while giggling.
>>541169870kys russkie
>>541168506Dude these guys aren't even TI1 level yet lmao. These are amateur tourneys with random ass people. Maybe the best two teams might be the equivalent of TI1 losers.
>>541170015This except a more nigger hero like Seven or Mo
>we've come full circle to people thinking mina is brokenkek
>>541170129um wtf u cant say that
>>541170129no reason it can't be all of them.
>>541170092>everyone who confronts my idiocy is ONE OF THEM! ONE OF THEM!!!!lmao you people are so dull
>>541170194>N-no im am definitely not a russian comrade!!thats even worse you cucked bitch. Going to bat for another country, might as well let them fuck your wife
I hope they gut Shiv
>>541168640I have perma laning phase instead>clear duo queue against my lane>we get guardian, they get guardian>go somewhere else>they're still in the lane pushing walker>teamfight happens, we win it but they take down walker>hurt their walker, they defend it>time passes, they're still there even when the urn is being picked on my side>take their sinners and medium camps, they're STILL just pushing >20 minutes in they finally fuck off most likely because their team told them to after being absent for so many fights
Ok guys we've had our fun with huge deathball brools can we please make the map bigger and less congested
>>541170280What an odd thing to say. Revealing.
>>541170504>t. haze>t. drifter>t. wraith>t. mina
>>541170504How about we make base Guardians have more HP or have a functional backdoor protection instead
>>541168640>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT USE THE GIANT 4 LEGGED ROBOT TO PROTECT YOU COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
>>541170869this guy must be playing on EU or something.over in NA people will start disadvantaged fights just barely outside of walker range.
It's funny since you can bait out walker stomp really easy now and it won't stomp for like another 10 seconds, easiest dives ever
>release victor>he's overtuned>nerfed to shit within hours>release mina>she's shit>buffed to become a menace to society in a few dayswhat's the point of the ultra secret playtest if they can't balance shit before we get to see it?
>>541171528Lol she's really not that good dude. The only good mina I've even ever played against was diegosaurus. Apart from her objective melting ability she's okay. Hard to catch, sorta decent damage, very squishy when caught.
>>541171563t. mina nigger
>>541171563Mina downplayers can fuck off
>>541171590>>541171690t. beginner elo
>>541171563>lane hitler>push hitler>escape hitler>team fight hitleryeah no, choose 3 and discard 1 for her to be even remotely balanced
>>541171804don't forget sustain hitler too since she can heal herself to full HP just oneshot swiping a trooper wave or creep camp.cannot believe they buffed it from 1.0 to 1.5 spirit scaling.
>>541171804>46% wr eternus+>48% wr archon+ and overalllole
>Sinclair gets one of the best and most obnoxious pokes in the game>Unbalanced because otherwise he is a shit character no one playsman
>>541172410it literally doesnt work half the time
This is what yamato will look like once Deadlock enters open beta.
>>541172885>>541173182and thats a good thing
Slowing hex should disable sliding as well
>>541173393
>>541173393no
>>541169668You lock them out of your games by playing in a full 6-stack :^)
>>541173393It should also last 7 minutes and reduce the price to 800
>play Gun Talon>just sit back and farm in lane>finally get my ult>continue farming waves>keep an eye out for low enemy HP bars>hide somewhere any time I see one, send out owl, collect free kill and resume farming>continue farming until I got most of my build done while sending out owls>perma brooling retards either hold the enemy long enough/outright win while I do nothing but send in owls>if the team holds it together or outright wins I just start popping off and chunk people to death with my 2 + Split ShotVery comfy, low stress. Gonna start spamming this.
5 back to back games throughout the day where my teammates have defeatest and hostile mentality. I don't blame the matchmaking, I blame the people that play a game just to act like a dog with rabies.
Making that box we love to break. Waiting for supplies to be delivered so I can paint it.
>winrrate copemina niggas are retarded
>>541171052I will fight disadvantaged fights under walker. I blur the line between aggression and feeding Somehow I still have a >50% winratre on drifter averaging 11 deaths
>>541174310If Gearbox made this game, this physical box would come with the $200 collectors edition (game not included) (game would cost $80 in this hypothetical)
>paradox complains that the enemy haze is cheating>lose and check haze stats>she wasn't cheatingwhy the fuck can people not understand that sometimes the enemy is better, just take accountability for losing it was so annoying to listen to this crybaby complain on mic nonstop
>drifter dumpsters a new player and intiate 1 in another lane. he is literally 13 kills in 8 mins>talks shit after the game>check his steam profile>private with multiple VAC bans
Sincerely, what in the FUCK is wrong with the matchmaking?Is it because I'm an aussie that its so fucked? I've been in games where averages range from initiate to fucking ritualist, what the FUCK is this?
>>541174852lane deaths do not matter
i miss 4 lines bros...
>>541176257same, it was so much better
>>541176257Same. The solo lanes were comfier than this. The layout of the 2 mid lanes were more fun to play than the current mid lane too.
>>541176257Simply being a shooter is not enough to freshen up this decades old formula. The map has proven Valve is going in the wrong direction. This shit already got stale over 10 years ago
>>541176665and what pisses me off is idiots going>but what if i get put in sololane as dynamo!!!!!!! its unfair!!!!when dynamo was actually really good at stonewalling the solo lane, you hit 1 if you get engaged on, 2 if you get ganked, spam heal to stay in lane, and ult if your team comes.
>>541175492im eu and its still fuckedmaybe there just arent enough players, im archon but keep being put in low ritualist games as the highest rank player and those games are so fucking tiring i feel like i have to win lane into hard farm into splitpush every game because these people dont have hands
>>541171964In Marvel Rivals, using win rate is retarded. Being able to switch mid game and all. However in games like this(e.g. Dota), I consider win rates fairly reliable. However one need take into account hero difficulty and playrate. I don't know what the consensus is on Mina's difficulty, but her play rate is super high. This suggests her win rate will be lowered by the non-specialist coombrains playing her. Still, a won rate of 46% in eternus suggests she can't be more than a little OP and at most would require a slight nerf, if at all.
>>541177063>In Marvel Rivals,stopped reading sorry
Which characters have the best mobility?
>>541154365how did they do it bros
>>541176257well if they're really going to add a payload mode maybe they'll add back 4 lane as well someday
>>541177238Calico
>>541177027I think it's because this shit tries to "average" teams out, meaning you could have a shitlow and a high rank in the same team and it averages out to alchemistLegitmately retard work
>>5411762573 lanes is much safer for the game to launch withmost of the games on 4 lane had half the players mentally overheating because they couldn't grok what they were supposed to do
So what heroes are good for learning?I don't mean learning to play the game, but building up a habit.For example Viper for sliding, and Abrams for melee/parry.
>>541152246Did you guys play more games after like the 4th/5th one? Also I swear that door was open on my screen when I killed you
>>541177027Now you know how I feel when I'm expected to carry a bunch of you cunts against E6 players
Gun doorman is the funnest character in the game, you're the most slippery man alive and just nuke objectives. You feel way more potent late game too.
>>541178424Why the fuck are his bullets so big, he shoots fucking trains out man
finally no longer all >low relative to skill ratingon everything
>>5411762574 lanes was truly awful, not just for the solo lanes but the size of the map made it so boring. Almost no fights outside of mid, constant farming of obscure jungles, hard to rotate and gank. The map is so much better now and actually feels like a game.
What map would you rather play on: 6 lanes or 2 lanes?
>>541180989>>5411809896 because ita divisible by 3
>>541180816I miss the L-R teleporters
>>541171964>>48% wr archon+this is REPULSIVELY high for a character that is "the hardest character in the game" and "has a high skill floor and ceiling" when you factor in her play rate.if she had like a non existent pickrate like Vyper, fair enough.but she doesn't. it's EXTREMELY high so a winrate THAT HIGH for a character that's supposedly hard is fucking gross.just like how Ezreal was overpowered with a near 80% presence but had a 47% winrate and got nerfed.or how Warwick has a sub 4% pickrate across all ranks but has a very high winrate in top lane, so he got nerfed.looking at a singular part of a stat like winrates without factoring in pick rate means you're either disgengenious, or a retard. both are bad.
>>541152994What if you killed yourself troon
>>541180176YWNBAW
>>541182167im not trans.just a furry though.
I tried, man. I really did.
>>541176257I don't, fuck 4 lanes retards
Minaisgigaopbros???
>>541182263>Furry>Playing Mina and not Ivy/Paige/Dynamo/Lashsure bub
>>5411809892 because I hate being a lane janny for my ADHD ow tourist team
>>541182263YWNBAW also Mina was a mistake
hm
>>541182528I hate playing paige/dynamo/lash you can't do anything if your team is shitviscous is my favorite aesthetically but he's so clunky to play
>>541183002>DynamoGo full stomp build and fuck entire enemy team by yourself>LashChase kills, look for pick offs, early-mid game you are a terrorist, late game is fucked tho>PaigePick a real hero>picrelKill yourself
>>541183002ayo, link to that mod?
>>541152994I already am a little girl
>>541183350https://gamebanana.com/mods/623055
>>541183878my goat, ty
>>541184334gooat
>man alt fires are pretty strong huh>what if instead of just removing this item so people can still have fun with alt fires, we just nerf all the alt fires in the game>AND nerf this item so nobody uses their alt fires OR buys thisOnce again valve shows they're not the devs they used to be
>be kelvin, used to bully early game >vindicta-vyper lane>vyper asks for a swap, says the lane is too weak>me, fool that I am "sure">realise after swapping it’s against Mina & Ivy>I die 2 times, vindicta dies 8>dies 5 more times post lane, quits>we loseGod actually the worse lane pair I’ve ever faced, Vindicta trying to 1v1 constantly aside. Should have left vyper to rot, would have stomped my original lane with bebop-kelvin.
>>541183002kys
>>541183684Hey....
>>541185514rare footage of a drifter player irl
>>541182446Feels like an earned victory. I can't wait to escape initiate again so that games aren't 40+ minutes long anymore.
>>541185630>double the obj damage of wraithyou should probably just play a gun carry to get out of there to push faster
>>541185696retardbro...
patch day patch day!!!!
>>541185764oh okay so he deserves to be at that rank for going spirit bebop
>>541185910Says who
Insider here, seven will be buffed, ivy and bebop will be nerfed really hard
>>541186000What's wrong with spirit Bebop?
>>541186014thursday is patch day and we haven't had a patch in a month. It would be pretty crazy if we didn't get one.
>>541186060Totally useless emissary and above, assuming you're going echo shard damage maxxing and not spirit snatch silence wave kinobop
Am I stuck in initiate unless I play gun constantly? I don't like playing gun.
NERF FAGTALON ALREADY
>>541186060you should at least go hybrid. echo shard is trolling due to debuff removerhe's also super good as a gun guy especially with blood tribute
>>541186228No there's plenty of viable spirit builds that can shred towers. In poopy fart rank you can just walk under walkers as infuser victor and outheal the damage
>>541186190>spirit snatch silence wave kinobopHmm, I'll think about it. But going gun on Bebop feels like going gun on Lash. His kit is clearly not meant for that.>>541186302What gun items would you recommend?
>>541186228spirit mina :^)
I'm fully prepared for an ivy cycle time nerf and no buffs to compensate to make her truly unfun to play for the first twenty minutes.
>>541186303Objectives have 0 spirit resist, while guardians and walkers initially have high weapon resist (which goes down over time to where it starts to take MORE weapon damage) but walkers so have protection where it gains WEAPON resist when multiple enemies are nearby but it doesn't gain spirit. This is why Seven specifically is so good at taking objectives because his spirit damage is so high that it outpaces his weapon damage
>>541186341just search up the lightbringer build
>>541186417>doesn't nerf her over performing gun at all
>>541185630My stealing of the rejuv is pretty much why we won.>>541186584Can't find it.
>>541186642a giant portion of her damage is capacitor btw.not her gun.
>>541186760>whiffs the first uppercut>nobody parries rejuv at allholy shit lol, grats on the win though
>>541186760>Healbane's heal on kill procs for assistsHoly shit, I didn't know that.
>>541186940If you look closely, Billy tried to parry, but was uppercut instead.
>>541186975It’s literally in the description. If they die while under its effects, not if you kill them.
>first game as infernus>grab some random dash build off pub builds>spirit lifesteal sustains me through a 1v4 that i winsure nobody built antiheal but holy fuck you guys were not kidding this character is stupid
seriously why infernus hasn't been nerfed yet
>>541186765Idk how to break this to you anon but capacitor is a gun item
Is it worth getting slow resist on vyper to protect the slide or does it not make a difference?
>>541188215Yes
>>541188215just grab blood tribute and get some fire rate as a bonus, no?
>>541188332Idk i find she's kind of starved for slots and id rather go something like fleetfoot
>>541188469How long until players realize unstoppable is hard meta?
Tips for building Yamato? I quickly put together items that looked good on her, but this is too expensive.
>>541188469What the hell?
>>541188765viscous is king of janking out the game. It's probably just replay fuckery
>>541187736she's only able to abuse it so well because of her absurd fire rate.triple or quaddrouple the CD so that1. ivy can't use it as well (also fuck wraith)2. more people can actually build it so counterplay to stuff like viscous cube, abrams 1, infernus dash, etc etc are more accessible. but valve is retarded so they'll hit her over the head with a sledgehammer instead of fixing the problem.
>>541188710>Hybrid Yamatofirst of all, no. secondly>Fleet on Yamatoyou aren't chasing people down, don't do that.>Burst fireholy shit no.>Weighted shotsSTOOOOOOOOOOP building gun on yamato.>Crippling headshot instead of EE on fucking Yamato with scourge and torment pulseWHAT ARE YOU DOINGGGGG
>>541151819
>>541153568that's ok, Shiv is fun
>>541188708it's hard to justify unstoppable when counterspell is a thing
>>541154547gays are always the most obnoxious, no better than the porn posters (I am both)
seems a little too common these days to have 4+ enemies invested into spirit damage.
>>541189862Gun fucking sucks on most heroes. It just feels bad, i rather be 6th person in my team going spirit than touch gun.
>>541189959what, you don't like ignoring the skills to turn your character into a generic submachine damage vender?
>>541188708It's pretty much mandatory in CC-heavy comps. Just the cooldown is faaar too long for how much CC is in this game. But if you run transcd then it feels really, really good.>>541189862That's because spirit is busted and much stronger than gun in the early game. I mean seriously, Lash can do 200 damage stomps by minute 1, and Talon is doing 250 damage arrows by minute 3. Pushing early advantages is the best and fastest way to win games, much more than heroes that need time to scale, which, is ALL gun heroes.
>>541189862Because this is a moba and most characters are defined by their abilities. Most heroes investing in spirit is never going to change, it's just the fundamentals of the game. If you're investing in gun, you're investing in something is supposed to win primarily through holding down right click until the enemy is dead. If most of the case were investing in gun then that means their only way to win is to hold M1. M1 heroes are also heavily reliant on items to win. If two M1 heroes are 1v1ing, what's the biggest factor in determining who wins the fight besides aim? It's DPS, which is gained through levels and items, which is best gained through heavy farming. If so many heroes required farming and items to win then most of the people in the match would be sitting in lanes and jungle farming until there was nothing left and then they'd be too scared to fight. Most of the cast needs to be defined by abilities to allow them to move around the map without having to worry about having the most souls in the match.
>>541188708Every game against haze i cuck her out of her ult with stone form.
>>541190401Make you wonder if it should be agility vs power rather than spirit vs gun... hmm
>>541190049>I mean seriously, Lash can do 200 damage stomps by minute 1, and Talon is doing 250 damage arrows by minute 3.wow if only these were balanced by high cooldowns stopping players from constantly spamming these....oh wait
>>541190654Ground strike has a 9 second cooldown from T1. By minute 3, Talon has 3 charges of his charged shot at 17s cooldown each.These are "high cooldowns" in your view?
>>541176881i remember back when i first started actually understanding the game I would go melee dynamo since people still weren't used to parrying yet. shit was monster in lane
>>541190825ground strike's cooldown is actually longer because of having to climb up the walls like spiderman before dropping in
>>541190825lash's stomp is not doing 200 damage unless he's set up very high which takes time (and is typically pretty obvious he's going for it). It's not a simple easy out of nowhere damage nuke. 17s for a charge is a lot for talon yes and it is a skillshot that you can juke. Not saying his poke isn't good but he can't spam it without being punished by having no charges and a long cooldown.
>>541190952not really since you can just sync up the climb with the cooldown about to elapse. i guess this has a minor opportunity cost where you could be shooting orbs for a few more seconds but meh>>541191025>a skillshot you can jukelol. you can pray he misses but you can't Juke it
>>541191025>running out of his cooldowns>you think this is a "punishment"weird mentality
thoughts?
>>541191672faggots like you are a parasite cancer in every general you infect, infesting generals with 0 intent to actually discuss the game and instead want to get validation for your dogshit gooning.my thoughts? i wish you'd kill yourself, hopefully my wish won't take long to come true.
>>541191672paradox thighjob
Any suggestions for my rough draft vyper build?Lane>Extra spirit>rapid rounds>Healing riteI get 1 in each category first for the big stat jump>Mystic burst>tesla/capacitor Build at 28.8k souls>Enchanters Emblem(1600)>Capacitor(6400)>Enduring speed(1600)>Burst fire(3200)>Superior cooldown(3200)>Improved spirit(3200)>Tankbuster(3200)>Unstoppable(6400)This is roughly what im going for at the 9.6k threshold for the diminishing returns, after this is basically just more fire rate or armor shred/survivability if need beMost the items where choosen around capacitor, emblem+ cooldown is ran specifically to reduce the lightning cooldown. Viper firerate hits the lightning cooldown in like 1 item. I go spirit earlier because it comes in flat values and her scaling multiple is good. The early powerspike i go for is 2 points in dagger and try to get Mystic burst around the same time
>lust-inducing image>long greentext wall noone will readChat, what do you think?
>>541191672paradox deserves love and affection
>>541193172Which Deadlock character has the most potential as a fightan game character? I was thinking Mo n Krill for the silly animations and Pocket for the variety in normals a briefcase/gun would have.
what items actually counter a fed haze
Where is my FUCKING PATCH, Yoshi!?
>>541191672Safehorny troonposting
>woman in a wedding suit>incels immediately call it pornhmmm.
>>541193908not a single poster called the image porn
>>541192856it's like the spirit viper i've been trying but with a hybrid angle with capacitor+burst fireyou could try something like spirit shredder/soul rend, and then you might want something like veil walker for the gank potentialbut idk how well she works as a hybrid, there's a weird antisynergy with the ult petrification. give it a shot i guesslane with t2 dagger+emblem+mystic burst is nasty though, it's so strongand you can just burst someone down from a fairly high hp with ult+poison afterwards
Had three separate females on my team so far today.Literally all of them were playing Paige.One was very Scottish and VERY angry about the map.All I understood was "map" in her constant and unintelligible ranting.
>>541194164missed out on your paradox gf bro
How do you get use out of Geist's gun?
Trying to learn viper and it showed me how much I haven't been sliding
>>541192856>>541194075also you might want to consider mystic shot early for more burst but it's one slotnot sure about rapid rounds value before you have tesla online
>>541193449I don't play fighting games, I'm not black.>>541194164Never happened
>>541194260I already have a wife, and I can understand what she says (most of the time).>>541194429Believe what you will, it doesn't matter to me.
>>541194429they made a fighting game for white people it is called rivals of aether 2
>>541194610>white peopleThat's G*rmans.
>>541194369I love sliding as Vyper but I fucking hate her ult and first ability. the former can fuck up team play and the later requires a ton of aim and even then you already have a ton of stamina to peruse enemies so why would I use it?
>>541189713ugly man face
>>541194610isn't it from the furretfucker?
>>541194610Furniggers really are the lowest caste of shitposters
>>541195028No, that's definitely troons.
This ever happen to you?
>>541194884no, all he was was a marketer at the publisher and he got fired from that publisher months ago. the publisher doesnt even own the ip>>541195108:DDD
>>541194796Vyper's skillset doesn't make a modicum of sense, its not even funny at this point. Nothing in her kit has any kind of synergy, her sliding gimmick doesn't work with her ult or the rest of her skills, you can't even build spirit for her knife because its dogshit. Just put her back in hero labs, this meth addict snake needs professional help
>>541195108who was in the wrong here?
>>541195108I've never left a game because of it, but I have queued into the same game ruiner multiple times and felt very tempted to yes
>>541195050Same mentally ill shit really
>>541195213>Nothing in her kit has any kind of synergythere's synergy between the ult and lethal venomidea is to whittle them down with the knives and then bola into poison. it's actually really strong early oni didn't actually consider the capacitor angle before but now i'm curious myself, i think that could fix her late game issues by transitioning towards the gun version + capacitor is just really good
>>541195353Nah, furfags are bad, but not even close to troons.
>>541195213I might be wrong, and I am sure other anon's who have played this game for longer will probably correct me, but it does feel like the new batch of heroes has a really defined kit that is mostly easy to understand and use while the previous character before the latest patch, all have real experimental kits that were supposed to allow for more player expression even though their kit has less cohesion with itself.
>>541195508It's a combination of both. There are some VERY specific kits from prior (Abrams for example), and some flexible kits now like Paige is supposed to be. Note that Paige is just bad though so you don't really see people running her as spirit or support, just gun.
>>541195396lethal venom is hard coded to work with Ebola, else her ult would just be a viscous cube for the enemy team for free. ebola should allow the enemy to be damaged even if it is reduced damage. her t1 should just be a passive where if she is close you can apply a stacking buff with your gun or melee to remove stamina from the target.
>>541195282MnK for quitting like a pussy
>>541195694>Paige is just bad though so you don't really see people running her as spirit or supportthe fuck
>>541194413I got the rapid rounds because it builds into burst fire and its an 800 orange. I think all the early oranges are kind of ass for him except maybe close quarters or I guess monster rounds for the cultist. Ill swap it for monster until cultist gets nerfed, thanksI think vielwalker is s probably getting a nerf too which is why I didnt include(i also think shadowweave is good months build late) but its probably a mistake to not include it, especially with healing rite being the only heal
>>541195881they should make her first ability an alt-fire with a cooldown and doesn't stop you from shooting or sliding when you throw it out
>>541194796I think for ult you are supposed to use it in a counter initiator style, like you wait for the enemy to pop their ults and try to throw a wrench in it
>Dynamo waves - go through shit>Talon arrows - hit behind cover>Shiv execute - right through walls>Yamato slashes - 500 ping = 10 m wide>Geist - whole kit cheap shit>Warden flask - hits through terrain and cover>Victor 1 - see webm
>>541195694Abrams has half of a kit and only one real skill. yes it works, yes he has a good winrate, but he needs some touch up as well. I'm fine with sacrificing his survival in exchange for more buttons to press and ult which isnt garbage.>just play [hero name]Nah, so far he has been the most fun for me, maybe I should try Drifter for the same feel and idea but who knows
>>541195997with the gank heavy playstyle veil walker is massive for her. i frequently heal like 10k+ with it alone in a matchi just don't think you're doing much gun damage so rapid rounds is a waste. it+burst fire only really exist to proc tesla
>>541195418These are literally the same people>>541195961She is objectively a waste of slot, should have ported Recluse from ER Nightreign instead
>>541196121>see webmyou were aiming at the wall when it came out
>>541196121You weren't behind cover in this instanse and casted your shit while face into the wall, skill issue
>>541196121>That pain battery aim>>541196298LIDERALLY ME
How do I stop getting parried like a bitch?
>>541196298This is when I activated the skill btw
>>541196493Never melee.
>>541196523the skill has a consistent delay and you ran into a wall and aimed at it
>>541196619but I like playing Calico
>>541196121Dynamo waves don't go through SHIT, they go over stuff all the fucking time though>tfw can't hit people if they are 1 foot off the ground or slightly down an inclinethis shit can't even fit through doorman doors!!
>>541195282people, if we can call them that, that play mohammad are always in the wrong
>>541196720yeah it's a shit delay Yoshi remove it or slow down Victor like how Yamato gets it and we're good
>>541196493don't melee that often and if you try heavy melee you could also try moving your mouse to another direction and bait the parry. if baited they cant parry for 4 seconds.you can also use some items to cancel the heavy melee animation
is this literally just a mcginnis item like what other character would build this
>>541196745never heavy meleedo the leap+light melee combo, or if you're in their face wait for them to just parry first
>>541196745calico's leaping slash procs melee items, you don't need to open yourself up to a parry
>>541196886there was a time when calico had funny cat statue turrets
>>541196886They've scrapped like 5 different kits that had minions because it's impossible to do in a way that isn't cancerous
Have you noticed clear trends in the quality of the games depending on the time of the day /dlg/?>EU>Morning games are usually chill but a mixed bag of wildly different ranks due to low matchmaking pool. Get thrown as Ritualist with Eternus players.>Day games are full of toxic unemployed russians and home-office slackers who quit and rage at the first moment>Afternoon and late day is peak shitter hour, especially 3-5pm and should just learn to avoid playing during this time.>Evening peak hours are most balanced with even mix of shitters and sweats>Night is full of weirdos typing uwu :3 but games are usually good
>>541196886What item is this?
>>541196886Turrets aren't counted as minions iircI honestly think mcginnis push ability is very overrated, she has to set up and has no escape, she's all defense. But as for the item its good on any ratting hero
>>541197215>Day games are full of toxic unemployed russiansThis has been true since beta. This is why when I'm sick from work or on holiday I don't play Deadlock during the day. There's so many unemployed russians who suck at everything I rather have low rank from not rank farming than play games with these sub humans.
>>541197215I'm in alchemist and games are usually about the same all day. And they're surprisingly chill for such a low rank.
>>541197215in south america I get easier games in the afternoon.
>>541197294they are
>>541197504I miss Alchemist. I feel like Ritualist is biggest rank trench there is. It's where you really feel at mercy of your team and team composition starts to show.
>78.9% of the playerbase is in Initiate with nearly 50% being in initiate 1What caused this, and why are my matches actually WORSE now that I've made it to Alchemist 5?
>>541198085smurfs
>>541189713ivy ass... muh dick...
>>541198085I think it counts inactive accounts that have decayed to Initiate in that pool so it's not really reflective of the reality.If you can climb to Emissary the games finally get better because to reach there you need to know most of the basics in the game adequately, but then the higher you go the games also become more shorter and swingy because both teams know how to push advantages leading to the usual 22min blitz.
How are you supposed to play as Geist? I don't get her role.
>>541198605First off, if you have that many purple items on Geist you are a walking money bag for the enemy team. Please stop
>>541198605This is my build, btw.>541198665How do you build her gun? I'd like to get more use out of it.
>>541198085It's very retarded.I only come back to play since the new heroes release, and now I'm stuck in Initiate and forced to be the carry killing 10-20+ enemies every match or I don't stand a chance at all.When I lose, I drop 1 rank immediately, no question asked.But I need to win a few matches to rank up once.The matchmaking is literally broken, and it's fucking garbage.
>>541195108Based Krill, i usually call everyone a faggot and afk in base.
>>541199229The redpill shitters never want to hear or face is that the matchmaking is not brokenIts been a solved problem for decades and there no reason to "work on the matchmaking" because its already done. Just wait for the rank reset then quit after you get filtered into remedial rank again
>>541200189>78.9% of the playerbase is in Initiate with nearly 50% being in initiate 1>the matchmaking is not brokenOk, retard
>>541198862Erm but Fartitude is bad
>>541200554>78.9% of the playerbase is in Initiate with nearly 50% being in initiate 1Source?
>>541200781Literally every tracking site pulled directly from Deadlock's APIs.
>>541200891I see the one for stat locker, but what about this one?https://tracklock.gg/ranks
ABRAMS THERE'S A HEALTH BUFF AT THE NEXT EXIT
How do I do more damage on Victor without accruing 9 deaths?
>>541201628>in the past 7 daysSo it's not even inactive accounts it really is mostly initiate 1
>>541201985you accept you need 17k souls to come online
>>541188765It's pretty simple, he got ulted than balled in the hotel
>>541188710Just use Ronald's
>>541194853fagbrained
>>54120205330k*
how do you lane against bebop veilwalker 2nd item and abrams before you buy rebuttal counterspell?
>>541202550just play by your tower. tf are they gonna do?
>>541202715Um, hook him?
>>541202826get reactive barrier and maybe one type of shielding. if your hero has iframes or a tp he's even more hopeless. do not buy rebuttal, once Abrams gets T2 shoulder charge he gets a free heavy melee anyway.abrams has infinite sustain but he can't really hurt you.
>sorry you won too many times now you must get 6 games of 2/21 russian lane
>>541203031just carry nigga
ALCHEMICAL FLASK
>>541203375
>>541203375VICTORY
>>541203674kek
>>541202958I was playing mcginnis into this shit broparried both of them in a small room like 5 times and killed them both after dying 3 times to this shit previouslytyped "dumbasses" in chat spent the rest of the match hard focusing my ass and flaminglost the game cause lol 3 lost lanes but hey
>>541203674>not 0/8/0
>>541203807No you lost the game because you picked McGinnis
>>541203807losing a lane as mcginnis against anyone but mina is a skill issue sorry
how can people play viscous gun the alt fire is so clunky
>>541203375lacquer
>>541203810what?
>>541204135i think it's really overrated tooI've only recently started playing him at a passable level, and it took like 4x as much time as a usual character just to get to a point where it wasn't a guaranteed loss
>>541202032Yup. The core problem is that below alchemist 6 a single loss will almost always derank you, but you need 2-3 wins to rank up. That's why the majority of ALL players will be initiate 1 forever. You have to have a nearly 3 to 1 win to loss ratio to actually climb out of Initiate to Alchemist.
>doorman has the 2nd highest base gun dmg and the highest at max boonBut why tho
>>541204135It lets you shoot around cover but the DPS of your left click will always be higher. Gun Viscous in general confuses me because only his 3 scales with it, seeing as how melee scales at 50% of weapon damage.
>>541203242you fucking can't carry these monkeysIm literally getting people that doesn't understand concept of defending walker.My rank fell down due to inactivity from phantom to alchemist. Currently going throu ritualist and matchmaking is radioactive anal cancer.Teammates in alchemist had better grasp of the game than these braindead vegetables i get currently
>>541203242>just be a three lane janny
game is unplayable until next major update, too many players left.
>>541205440his fire rate and bullet velocity is shit though
>network updatingg-guys?
>>541205861Sorry, Ivy tripped on the server cable again, it's just a reboot.
>>541205952ok Ivy that's it am calling ICE
>>541203846>>541203960guess it's back to minabusing then
>>541206373Yoshi just came online on the Discord. Start praying boy
It's up
>>541206542No it's not, faggot.
BOX! I gotta make some stencils for the text and it will be done
>>541207927Ok, but can you break it? Also what's inside?
>>541208157Ivy.
>>541208157Its a solid rip from the game so there's no inside. Unbreakable for now.
>>541208186Take her out, that's abuse.
well damn it's another "the ((ally)) russian feeds then insults and then leaves" episode. I always love this one
>>541203242You can't solo carry in this game, one or two enemies buy items like knockdown, curse, you're done.
>>541207927GIVE ME MY SOULS
Bets on patch changes?>cultist nerf>veilwalker nerf>ivy nerf>Mina nerf
>>541197215My gaming hours are 1-2 am CEST, people at this time are borderline psychotic compared to the day hours are even weekends
>>541208586Victor rework.Abrams nerf.Dynamo nerf.New Yamato model.New Vyper model.
>>541205732I wish miniggers left for real
Give 1 valid reason why Valve shouldn't region lock Russia and bar Russians from queueing in other servers? This includes all ziggers btw - Ukranians, Belarusians, the Russians that lie they're from an European country for some reason (it's so funny when they say "I'm not russian bro" with the thickest russian accent ever, like damn nigga be honest for once in your life), the Khazaks - all you subhumans can only play with each other.
>>541208586>cultist removed>Mina nerf>GT nerf>Victor buff>Vyper buff>Paige deleted from the game
>>541209082you'd still lose games and move onto blaming something else
>>541207927Nice. Makes me want to melee it.
>>541208586>Bebop nerf>Mina buff but ult nerf>Veil Walker deleted>Cultist Sacrifice no longer builds from Monster Rounds, becomes a Spirit item and bonus creep damage and the firerate and health buffs are removed from it>Abrams changed from Blue to Green
>>541207927Nice one. Golden statue next
>>541207927Neato. How big is it? Hard to tell but it seems smol.
so whens the update?
>>5412096677.5cm~ all dimensions.
>>541209872< 1 hr
Dumb question, are denies 'invulnerable' to you longer than they are to the opposing team? Like do the orbs stay black longer if they are from your own minions dying? It feels that way but I can't confirm it outside of just subtle game feel.
It's up (end of service)
>>541210039Yeah soul orbs are confirm favoured
>>541208586Mina gets buffed because lul low winrate
>>541209917Heh it's bigger than I imagined. Pretty cool.
>>541209082we would be too happy. maybe icefrog is a russnigger
>>541209430This is next on the list. Gotta get some gold paint and I'll post when it's done
>>541161928Actually looks cool.Why do they not release stuff like this and venus flytrap right away? Are they planning a big overhaul update or maybe a proper launch in the neares feature?
Meanwhile https://files.catbox.moe/7q9qvf.mp4
>>541209254zigger detectedno one said anything about losingit's just that no normal human being likes doing anything with russiansyou subhuman niggers ruin everything you touchstop replying to me Sir Gay
>>541211234388 off one stomp what the fuck lol
>>541211234I hate Dynamo so much, such a retardproof "support" yet people still find ways to lose on him.
>>541210101but are they single tap favored?i swear even with bebop beam if i hold down on an orb i get denied if i hold it instead of single tapping
>>541208586crossdressing skins for doorman and pocket
>>541211472His ultimate is just a worse Mo ult on a longer cooldown
>>541211303mad cuz bad
>>541211708that's holiday
>>541211659paige and victor matching bunnysuit skins
>>541212005This except McGinnis for the gap moe
>>541211602It's to do with firerate, if you're just holding down instead of timing it the time between bullets gives the enemy a window to deny/confirm
>>541211754a russian named sir gay typed this
What's the wisdom behind Cultist Sacrifice? Is it like Hand of Midas, where you try to use it off-cooldown as often as possible even if you can't get to a big creep in time? or do you delay to wait for the big creep?
>>541212005CORPSED panties skins for paige and mina
>decided to try out lash as initiate>laning with a haze against drifter and pocket>haze simply decided and expected to get a kill within the first 2 minutes in mid lane>simply expects me to read his fucking mind and not take care of the lane>complains the whole match, I tell him it is my first time and that i am new to this>still keeps bitching and dying non stop>he died so much early on our shiv decided to call the quits and left the matchI guess he did me a favor. I legit never saw a haze or player being that much of a douche. I guess we was probably from a higher rank because he was expecting me to just kill both drifter and pocket a million times before the 10 minutes mark. He also wanted me to ult while drifters ult was active.>>541209872we are probably getting priest + Halloween update.at least it is what I hope
>>541212387Yuckola
>>541212865>search his profile>see thiswell, now I don't know what to think.
>>541195282always the mo player
>>541212502is it 30 minutes?nobig creepyesjust use it on anything you've got a gamewinning/losing teamfight to be at
>93k vs 129k not even 20 minutes in>9 kills vs 33 kills>they already took a walker while we still have to push to take a guardianyea im just quitting the game and hopping on an alt account lol
>>541212387This pic is so out of character for everyone involved.
>>541212502not sure but I figure it's like midas where it's worthless if you arent using it. Big creeps are priority but if its unsafe to get one i would personally use it on whatever
>>541196493>>541196745one of the keys to playing calico, at least in lane, is learning how to combo a light melee from leaping slash and then turning every leaping slash trade into a coin flip for the enemy
>>541194305>>541198665>>541198862Please tell me how to build Geist's gun.
>>541213909restorative shot + headshot booster > berserker > spellsinger
vindicta should have an alt fire while holding right click that has an extra 15m or 20m of less damage fall off but slower fire rate and maybe higher damageit just makes sense
>>541213429of course, its a yurinigger pic
>>541211234>stand on bridge>nullify entire character
>tukatukatukatukatuka>can't peek for the next 8 seconds or else i lose 1/4th my health barparadox sure is fun to lane against good thing she's dogshit after it though
>>541215150on no not the easily aoidable single target skillshot that takes 8 seconds to deal 60 damage
>>541211234bwomp
>>541212387McGee here looks uglier than in VN, why are yuriniggers like this
>>541215150Pick GT to remove 50% of enemy's hp with one arrow during and after the lane, that'll learn them
>>541211659Borat swimsuit for Abrams
>>541216203pic related skin for warden
>>541216046if the enemy grey talon is ever popping off, just buy spellbreaker. talon's winrate has stayed atrocious at higher ranks for over a year because valve won't rework him, his entire character is negated by one item
>No patchWhat the actual fuck
>>541214351How the hell you gonna scope in then though
>lane against grey talon>he can't get a kill on us>constantly runs away, ults blue lane, and racks up kills that wayThis is fucked up
>>541216950There's still time, faggot.
>>541216886Thats the issue: noone else on the team is buying it, then cries ''wtf fed GT gg''. Sometimes I wonder if people know this item exists.>t.pisslow
>>541217128scoping in would activate it obviously
All of the nu-items added in with the shop update are a big flop. The best thing volvo could do is revert the shop update entirely.
>>541216950wouldn't surprise me
>>541217328>releasing a patch in the afternoon
The thing is grey talon is actually good at high levels because with enough cooldown on his ult he can effectively just use it as a 1/3rd hp remaining execute for the team and also a way to clear waves across the map. Kinda like clockwerk flares on steroids.
paradox buff idea: friendly bullets that pass through time wall become faster and have damage amp (maybe spirit?)just makes sense
>>541217556It's not even past coffee/donuts time in PST (only timezone that matters).
The act of attaching a frog pic to the post has to be a certain kind of meta-narrative since every and all frogposter opinions are mediocre dogshit.
i need to widen my roster. i currently mostly play kelvin (spirit roamer) and pocket. i also have played geist (bomb) and mnk a fair amount in the past, and like the concept of victor but he is in the shitter right now. i like macro heroes (push, gank, roam, etc), mobility, and map presence, and i have played a lot more dota than shooters so i tend to favor less aim intensive heroes. currently in archon, have played up to oracle in the past. any suggestions?
>>541218140play gun victor since he's exactly what you said you liked.
My second time as the lash was much better I think. even though I feel like my build misses something
>>541218140bebop, yamato, paradox
Holliday looks fun. Any tips or build guide recommendation? I just need a general idea of her key items. I'm an Initiate II trash but Batrider enjoyer.
>>541218046this but generic anime girls
>>541218140Abrams, Billy (build gun)
>>541218046He's right, though.
>>541215047>stand on bridge>mina 100-0s you with 15 bullets
>>541218430usually build around her barrel so go for spirit then at the end switch to glass canon
>>541218425also drifter but hes not very good at pushing
>>541211234When you playin inhouse
>>541218140McGinnis
>>541218624>go for spirit then at the end switch to glass canonGlass canon as in switching to gun damage? Is that a legit way to build? I'm genuinely asking, so far I've assumed it was best to focus on either Gun or Spirit damage and buy good price/value items from the other one that have synergy. Like, focusing on Spirit and buy Spirit Shredder Bullets and Mystic shot while big late game purchases either go for very key survival/CC items or the main attribute.
I want warden to look less like a cop and more like a guy larping as a cop
>>541219460I use this build https://youtu.be/7N9m1QtrdJk
gonna grind out bot games until I can consistently do paradox' combo + alchemical flask quickly
>>541156865OHH NO THE GAME ISN'T AS BIG AS DOTA, IT'S A FAILURE!!
>>541211328dynamo can do way more than that lmao
>>541219554I had that one on display heh. Thanks for confirming it's good. I'll queue one up with it and see how it goes. Maybe throw a Mystic Burst in there cuz it sounds fun.
>>541219941There was a time long ago where dota had a different dev team, as it was made by someone else. Icefrog came around and made the game consistently worse with every patch. This allowed League of Legends to take its spot as the number 1 moba in the entire world. The rising of league of legends can be directly correlated with Icefrog becoming a dev. He was gifted the golden goose and ruined it.Dota 2 came along and while trash and filled with bots its still one of steams biggest games, same with counter strike. Icefrog is capable of making only one game, something that's not even his, which is why Deadlock is turning more into dota 2 with every patch. It's really hard to understate how much better the gaming world would be if Icefrog wasn't a person in it. Imagine Valve games with a built in anti-cheat, for example.
>>541221480please start namefagging so i can filter your retarded ass copeslop
i got raped in the inhouses and have to rant all day in the thread sorry
THAT'S ENOUGH ABRAMSYOU REIGN OF TERROR ENDS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!TAKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!@@!@!@!!!!!!!!!ALCHEMICAL FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASK!!!!!!!!!!!
early look at the Lycanthrope hero who summons dogs/wolves
Why are only 1 in 10 matches good matches?the other 9 are gay fucking one sided snowballs for either team unfun entirely.How is Valve, a company that has made multiplayer games for 30 years, this bad at fucking matchmaking?
5 matches in a row where my teammates are either lobomites that never played a videogame before, or afk'ing in the middle of the game. when does this end?i only have some hours in this game for the record
>>541222812please don't give the fags that play this game an excuse to do knot "jokes" every match
>>541222505I've been playing Warden a lot recently and this guy is so fun. I've been building him gun damage for a bit because I didn't really understand him, but now that I have a better handle, I'm going to focus more on spirit builds.
>>541221738I can't help that facts scare you. I'm just explaining why certain things with things game will never change - it's Icefrog. It's always Icefrog. He just has certain gimmicks to his name that he will never change. It's why the soul mechanic hasn't been messed with even though it's widely disliked, you can't experiment with it. For an alpha this game has an incredible amount of settled mechanics. There is a reason Icefrog is a garbage person. Instead of trying new things or changing up basic bugs with the game he doubles down on them. It would have been great to know what this game could have been if they tried various things with the souls but Icefrog gonna Icefrog and they will never experiment with it. It's all just so sad. Let's not even get into basic quality of life stuff like objective timers or the lack of an anticheat that makes them so common during pro-play.i am going to legit celebrate when this man dies i hate him so much.
What a miserable game. But I did have fun at the start.
The biggest compliment I can give Icefrog is that he makes games that feel like they're 20 years old.
>>541217680paradox buff idea: if someone touches your bomb or time wall they age 1000 years and turn to dust just makes sense
>>541216763>no female characters on your teamyou love to see it
>>541196886Heroic aura is pretty decent, the minion part is mostly irrelevant except for when you want them to move faster up an empty lane.
most TI winners are playing, learning and enjoying deadlock anonymously. people still chasing the dream are stuck in dota 2.icefrog moved on. time to accept, relearn a new game and have fun or enjoy something else, like the timeless classic, shitposting
>>541196886I build it on Mirage alongside Cultist because if I get a wave of minions up to a walker and pop heroic aura the walker dies too fast for anyone to respond.
>>541216763There are 2 types of devs at Valve: barafags and footfags.
>>541223025his ult does a butload of damage
why do people keep bringing up LoL like it hasn't been dying for the last 5 years?
>>541222505>shoulder charge into the wall to cancel ult>ult ot get out of binding word range>revolver to the faceToday fun is allowed
>>541224159the dota general has a regular poster who constantly brings up lol for no reason, I asume they also come here. Just ignore it and hope he goes away.
>>541223006I hate how trannies and furries ruined a bunch of rule of cool concepts like werewolves
>>541219969>spirit burn stacks EEi actually did not know this
>>541224691werewolves were always lame though, some gay dude with a bad dragon didnt change that
I wonder if they're gonna rework wraith. If they're not gonna give her back her old ult she just straight up needs a new one, the fire rate buff is just bad too. >Seven's buff gives him a burst of spirit damage that travels to other enemies and can have near permanent up time>Ivy's fire rate and life steal scale + it can give her movespeed through upgrades>Infernus + Haze have passive buffsShe just needs something completely different because a generic fire rate buff that has no scaling and only gives some spirit damage after upgrading is just BAD and comparatively very boring. Her cards are fun and unique and she's the only character with a teleport like hers so I think those should stay. I'm not gonna bother even theorizing what abilities she should get since it doesn't matter, I just know she needs something else if she's supposed to stand out and be interesting.
>>541225279>playing mo&krill>wraith ults me>her ult doesn't reach me underground, so it just levitates above me while ai run awaylmao
>>541222928>How is Valve, a company that has made multiplayer games for 30 years, this bad at fucking matchmaking?Because in their heyday their multiplayer games didn't have matchmaking just a server browser
I just noticed it actually does highlight least amount of deaths it just doesn't give you a little coloured symbol
>>541225279with her old ult, i would max it, buy majestic leap and be good lash
Patch doko?
>testing shit with wardern>activate his shield then majestic leap>both shields mesh together into one big ass shield
I cannot no matter how much effort I put in stop these matches.I cannot prevent them.
>>541226259but but vyper le bad!!!!
>>541226352He'd be bad if mina didn't have 5k damage in a 30 minute match.
>>541225279Wraith should have a "luck" meter which increases crit rate. The more bullets she fires the luckier she gets, throwing cards depletes luck meter, ult raises crit meter to max on that specific target.
>>541226207Yeah that's how barriers work but they still have a separate timer
Anyone got a decent bruiser kelvin build?
>>541226259>4 people with 0 obj damage>gun pocketYep.. it's all your fault. Take responsibility.
2 hours and if there's no patch it's overlock
>>541225279i hope they make their fire rate buff make minions stronk and bulky
>completely stomp lane>billy ragequits (of course its a billy)>"game not scored"WHO IS THIS SUPPOSED TO HELPWe earned our win fair and squareSure, maybe don't punish the other team for having a quitter, but why do both teams have to be punished.This is such a retarded mechanic.
>>541227157It's just a game bro who cares if the win is counted or not.
>>541227157you still get credit for wins when those messages pop up
I'm getting better as Geist. Pandatank's hybrid build seems pretty good.
>another feeding drifterIf they ever add draft I'm banning drifter every time. It’s literally always him.
>>541227550This is me when I play dota except it's sniper. I don't ban him because I hate fighting him but because everyone sniper player on my team is dogshit.
>>541227728I hate that nigger so much. So easy to beat but I don't want him on either team.
>>541227550I have a theory that release drifter was the first time a lot of people could actually win a 1v1 which is why most of them are so terrible now
>>541226259morons continue to believe the jungle some how gives more souls than pushing waves. these same people dont see, seek or understand the first 15 minutes of the game. at all. AT ALL. they have no idea what items their buying or why. they only understand "if i get my 3 teir IV items im ready!!" without realizing that their dream is fucking 15-17k total souls. they have no understanding of item advantages or playing around "timed" builds all they care baout is the game going beyond 20 minutes. dragging the game to minute 40, to lose because they dont realize that if they farm.. the enemy farms too. they never say "im really strong at minute 9-11, i should end this!" they always say "i dont have my items.. minute 17? we have time, ill just play till minute 30... oh now were in... a deadlock!! i let the enemy farm because i farmed instead!"honestly we live in such simple times, 5 years from now ill either be complaining about the same shit or people will adapt and understand that this game isnt overwatch/marvel rivals.
>>541217564Also because he can kill squishy niggers in two hits, unlike Shitdicta
>>541214351Vindicta should fire slower but have native spirit damage. She is a fucking ghost.
Is it worth it to buy all Kinetic Dash, Arcane Surge, Stamina Mastery and Majestic leap? Not one after another but I feel like that would give me insane heights for stomp and movement to pursue and escape.
>>541226259>4/6 allies have 0 objective damage
>world wars averted in lore>no trench ghost characterdamn
>>541226352Above seeker yes
>>541228481you're spending like 12800 just to be hard countered by CC.
>>541228481It's a lot of money for 0 stats
>>541228481>all of themno fucking way, stamina mastery is already hard to justify on anything other than vyper
>>541211234>>541196121when you guys joining inhouses?
is she really that bad?
>>541229195I hope so.
>>541196121>fire directly into a pillarcome on man
>>541227221Okay big guy.Let's see how long you keep playing if the game kicked you every time just as you're about to destroy the patron.
WHERE THE FUCK IS IT YOSHI
>>541229195SquishyDeals no damageUlt is shit
Too early for inhouse or nah?
>>541218689>>541229153idk, maybe if there's an update.
I can't play as Seven. I just fucking can't.
Explain why a 6 knockdown team isn't the meta team build comp
>a little tiny jolt of lightning from Tesla bullets does damage to you>a massive anvil falling on your head does 0 damage
>>541226259You did fuck all on an uber-safe hero.
>>541219969Yes anon we know that buying more items makes you stronger, thanks for posting this.
>>541230357should just all go curse and curse their entire team
>>541211303you know i'm right
>>541230970There is fuck all to do with teammates like that.
>>541229195She doesn't even have a strong root anymore. She provides literally nothing to a team now.>>541230897>Uber broken utility item should also do burst damage as well.
>>541230286I don't get this hero, man. I used to like him, but now I'm shit as him.
>>541226259do you even stomp vro
>>541231405She provides resist shred and lots of dot, dumbass
>>541231417Let us know when you wanna practice him in a casual lobby
Up to three abandons thus far :3 Krill players don't deserve a valid win
>>541231417>26 kills doormanI am watching that replay
>>541231618What's a casual lobby? You mean the inhouse?
>>541231440stompted much harder in the next one. good match too, they had our little man out, we had their little man out.I got a good hole at mid and we finally, after many failed attempts, won
>>541231709I'm certain most of those are him just obliterating Mina with 3 shots
>>541231916Why didn't Victor ult stun her?
>>541231717Yeah
>>541231571>she provides le shred! muh meme dot!!!And the stats show it's nowhere near enough to justify running her post-stake gutting.
let the hopium begin
ITS UP
>>541229153I play at EU hours and apparetly I just seem to get a lot of grief from general so probably never.
>gun buffedwtf
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>>541232650lol
>Lash deleted from the gameHOLY SHIT BASED
>not loadingAAAAAAAA
>forum is down>my cock is upfinally
>>541232764ogre magi...
>>541232764>it's real
it's realMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsMina nerfs plsbuff Victor buff Victor buff Victorbuff Victorbuff Victorbuff Victor>>541232764forum crashed lol
>>541232764We're so fucking back.
>>541231916Something fucky is going on with Victor's ult. I don't get why I didn't get damaged or stunned there.
I can't get the page to fully load but I can get it to show me the text
>>541230357one maybe 2 people need knockdown otherwise its just souls that could be spent better elsewhere
>>541232978Rake got buffed lol
wheres the halloween stuff
>Wall Jumps after the first one now cost 0.5 stamina (first wall jump per sequence is free)Okay TJ "Yoshi" Icefrog, a stamina bar is a stamina bar. You can't say it's only a half.
>>541233175priest update will have halloween in december
>Mina, Billy, Victor, Warden,Vindicta untouched>Shiv nerfLmao dead game
in case forum is not loading for anyonehttps://rentry.co/39rt6n4c
>Applying a CC to an enemy is reduced in duration when affected by other CCs in a short intervalI've been suggesting this for fucking YEARSGood bye stun spam
>>541233251as they should.>>541233270thanks
>Can now jump and shoot seamelessly
>>541232764>update patch for a closed alpha is so hyped that it crashes a forumdead game lol
Welcome to The Gunman
>* Wall Jumps after the first one now cost 0.5 stamina (first wall jump per sequence is free)surf niggers just got fucked
>+500 midboss HpDEADLOCC IS SAVED!
MOREMOBILITYNERFSWHY
TELL ME WHO IS BROKEN I NEED TO QUEUE UP
>>541232065Because victor is BROKEN
>didnt touch mina love bitesnigger company and nigger devs
>* Dropped Unsecured soul bags now require a Heavy Melee to secure rather than standing ontop of themPUNCHTHATBAGThis is gonna be pain when bags get stuck on walls or high up places lol>* Shooting while jumping now applies a -10% inaccuracy period for 0.15s after jumping
>>541233156>Wall Jumps after the first one now cost 0.5 stamina (first wall jump per sequence is free)Oh boy hope that leaker that said Global Movement nerfs is true. My guess is they are rolling these nerfs slowly before they gut things even further.
>Stalker's Mark ambush cast delay increased from 0.0s to 0.35sbruh i loved jumpscaring people right as it was about to run out
vyper dagger rework
>>541233156>wall jumps after 1st one cost staminaThis one is big
anon from earlier is fucking vindicated
Mina sisters, WE WON
>Mina: Can now float in the air with the umbrella for up to 2.5s with right clickKEK this is gonna cause so much seething
>>541233616finally
they added the mina umbrella glide ability I posted in the thread about holy fuck yoshi loves me
INHOUSEどこですか?
>* Fixed ordering issues with various items with Bullet based Procs. Debuffs (ie. negative Bullet Resist) from all procs are now applied before any bonus damage from the procs. Items include Weakening Headshot, Crippling Headshot, Headshot Booster, Headhunter, Hollow Point and Mystic Shot.They were applying instantly with the first shot? This means all those nigger 1 shot builds from across the map are nerfed like Paradox fuckering and Vindicta shit
>>541233703grats anon, thats a cool lil hero tweak
>Seven: Storm Cloud’s Lightning Strike damage reduced from 90 to 75>Seven: Storm Cloud’s Lightning Strike spirit power reduced from 1.4 to 0.5try not to laugh challenge
>Lash nerfs
>>541233647Only buff I approve for her
sop vyper dagger build good now y/n
>>541233156the objective "distance/pit" mechanics are dogshit and they're doubling downZero creativity left at valve, just the same 3 lane slop we've been playing for over 20 years now
>>541233703and the new melee animation is a shin kick holy fuck I'm genuinely hard
>calico buffsthis is not a real company
>>541233801The opposite, they didn't and now they do
Lash: Ground Strike range reduced from 11m to 10mLash: Ground Strike cooldown increased from 19s to 21sLash: Ground Strike damage reduced from 70 to 60lash bros.....
>>541233727I'll get one up in the next 5 minutes also 日本語投稿やめろって言っただろうがクソ気違い
>>541233827if u laugh u go to hell
>rebuttal: now grants 18% melee resistancewew
>viscous express shot build nerfed>no compensation buffs for a B- characteris he the new worst character in the game
>>541233845praise be to iceGAWD
>those victor buffsholy fuck pubs and inhouses are gonna be actual cancer
IVY DIED SCREAMIN'
has matchmaking been le fixed???
Inhouse lobby hosting begin for new patchZZTR6ZZTR6ZZTR6
>* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives>* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives>* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives>* Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectivesI CALLED IT I CALLEDYOU NIGGERS CAN SUCK MY DUCK
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-02-2025-update.84332/patch updatenow for the real concerns, this?
> Fixed ordering issues with various items with Bullet based Procs. Debuffs (ie. negative Bullet Resist) from all procs are now applied before any bonus damage from the procs. Items include ...Is this a buff or a nerf?
With cooldowns Calico had like a 45 cooldown on her ult now it's going to be every 30 seconds. Holy she is going to slap.>Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectivesOh no no no but I'm glad I'm going to see less of Mina now.
>Vyper: Slither now leaves a green trailThis bitch is gonna be sliming everywhere wtf
>>541232764great fucking patch bros
Vyper: Screwjab Dagger has been reworkedVyper: Screwjab Dagger now stacks in both damage and slows the more daggers you hit against the same targetVyper: Screwjab Dagger is now charge-based, with a 4.5s time between charges. Starts with 2 charges.Vyper: Screwjab Dagger damage changed from 50 (+1) to 50 (+0.65) and 25 (+0.33) per stackVyper: Screwjab Dagger has a max stack of 3 (shows in overhead)Vyper: Screwjab Dagger slow changed from 50% to 35% + 15% per stackVyper: Screwjab Dagger slow duration increased from 1s to 2sVyper: Screwjab Dagger cooldown increased from 9s to 10sVyper: Screwjab Dagger T1 changed from -4s Cooldown to +1 ChargeVyper: Screwjab Dagger T2 changed from +50 damage to -8% Bullet Resist, and -5% per StackVyper: Screwjab Dagger T3 changed from +2s slow duration and -1 stamina to 40% CDR on hitVyper: Screwjab Dagger projectile speed increased from 3500 to 4200Vyper: Screwjab Dagger updated sfxVyper: Screwjab Dagger added a pitch incrementor to impact sound. The sound will slightly increment in pitch relative to each stack that gets applied to a target.Vyper: Lethal Venom can now be cast on non-trooper enemies (neutrals and objectives)Vyper: Lethal Venom T3 upgrade can now trigger on all enemies, including troopersVyper: Lethal Venom T3 build-up per shot reduced from 5 to 4.5 (a nerf)Vyper: Slither is no longer leveled up by default at the start of the gameVyper: Slither T3 changed from 20% resists to “180 health barrier when initiating a slide”, has 0.6 spirit scaling, lasts 5s and 8s cd.Vyper: Slither now leaves a green trail
>>541234375bitch needs to clean her pussy
>Vyper: Lethal Venom can now be cast on non-trooper enemies (neutrals and objectives)>Vyper: Lethal Venom T3 upgrade can now trigger on all enemies, including troopersbros, i'm scared
>>541234278stop making lobbies i'm trying to eat rn
so with the nerf is mina unbanned from the inhouse pugs?
>>541234375that hos box is most foul
>>541234315or this?
>>541234339huge buff
>>541233632anyone who has actually played victor knew he was right about it
>Tesla Bullets: Fixed proc rate being improved with general cooldown reduction>Capacitor: Fixed proc rate being improved with general cooldown reductionwow, so that one anon that was mathing how to #optimize cdr fire rate vs. procs on tesla got owned, kinda sad
>>541234283>Spirit Burn: Now goes on cooldown for half the normal time when used on non-heroes (rather than 0 cooldown)Holy Mina nerf. They gutted her.
Lot of ivy nerfs
>Abrams: Shoulder Charge T1 changed from +25% Weapon Power to +20 Bullet Damage Per Shot (results in a weaker followup melee hit)why
>Wall Jumps after the first one now cost 0.5 stamina (first wall jump per sequence is free)Who asked for this?
I KNEW it So are we still buying Cultist on every build or is it skippable now boys? I still think it might be powerful...
>>541234637based so I can play her in the inhouse?
>Mina gets NO change to Love Bites and her rake gets BUFFED>Billy basically unotuched>Big Calico buffs>Dynamo buffs>Grey Talon slap on the wrist>Lash nerf>Geist buff>movement gutting has begunWhat the fuck is Yoshi thinking
>>541234283>I CALLED OUT THE OBVIOUS this nigga retarded or something?
>Spirit Burn: Now goes on cooldown for half the normal time when used on non-heroes (rather than 0 cooldown)why couldnt they just do this for towers? i dont see and issue with spirit burn killing camps/waves
>>541234690It's just to nerf his melee follow up damage on the charge, for how strong Abrams is at the moment he barely got a slap on the wrist
Veil Walker: Heal reduced from 150 to 85Veil Walker: Heal scale per boon increased from 4 to 6Veil Walker: Cooldown increased from 12s to 15sVeil Walker: Reveal on damage duration increased from 0.25s to 0.5sVeil Walker: Initial invis fade duration increased from 0s to 0.25sVeil Walker: Reveal on spotted duration increased from 0.25s to 1.25s
>>541234701it goes souls neutral after only a few uses and still gives you boon advantage, the buff is a bonus.>>541234728the whole point of this was mina dunking on midboss in 2 seconds with it.
>>541234836good.
OH NO PEOPLE WERE BUYING VEILWALKER, WE GOTTA NERF IT SO HARD THAT NOBODY BUYS IT EVER AGAIN
>>541234420initial dagger impressions are that it's pretty good, if you build some duration and rapid recharge you can keep refreshing the slow cooldown and it deals good damage
>>541234726Dude I have the threads up on my tracker, don't make me go find your retarded asses defending this fucking character and her ultimate. FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO DEFENDED MINA YOU RAGGEDY ASS NIGGERSI WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN >I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN
>>541234863>the whole point of this was mina dunking on midboss in 2 seconds with it.sounds like spaghetti code band-aid to me
>Nerf spirit ivyFuck you I'm not going cringe gun ivy
>Inhibitor: No longer limited to hero only targetsi hope this means i'm literally unkillable if i proc it when ratting walkers from behind the veil now
>>541234283everyone with a half-brain knew this already
>>541234925is there any way to set my M2 for Vyper's Skill 1 only?
>Hag BuffsI'm not complaining but literally why?
>>541235019Are you illiterate? They buffed spirit ivy
There is shit that just blows my mind. Like why the hell give mid boss +500 health? How is that meaningful? Why give M&K slightly more gun damage? shit makes no sense to me
>>541234420>Vyper: Slither T3 changed from 20% resists to “180 health barrier when initiating a slide”, has 0.6 spirit scaling, lasts 5s and 8s cd.This is strictly worse no? If I'm sliding outside of combat I will just be wasting a barrier and I might not have it for a fight
>>541232764Here's a summary of the patch notes:General ChangesWeapon Investment scaling significantly buffed at higher tiers (up to 115% from 93%)CC diminishing returns introduced - repeated crowd control effects reduced by up to 21%Jumping mechanics adjusted - no shooting lockout, but -10% accuracy penalty addedMid Boss made tankier with more HP but lower damage resistance scalingSoul Urn carriers get major resistances (+30% bullet/spirit) but slower movementHeavy Melee now required to secure dropped soul bagsMajor Hero ChangesBuffs:Calico - across-the-board improvements to damage, radius, and cooldownsVindicta - stronger bullets, longer flight, better scaling, lower ult cooldownVictor - health buffed, Pain Battery easier to charge, Shocking Reanimation reworked with better utilityDynamo, Lady Geist, Wraith - moderate buffs to abilities and scalingNerfs:Seven - significant damage reductions across Storm Cloud and Static ChargeIvy - bullet damage growth reduced, Kudzu Bomb weaker, Air Drop no longer grants bullet resistanceLash - Ground Strike nerfed in range, cooldown, and damageMina - Rake healing gutted, Nox Nostra damage against objectives reduced by 60%Reworks:Vyper's Screwjab Dagger - now charge-based with stacking mechanicsPaige's Rallying Charge - damage/healing scales with distance traveledItem ChangesSpiritual Overflow - changed from ability duration to cooldown reductionShadow Weave - detection radius significantly reducedVeil Walker - base heal reduced but scales better, longer cooldownsMajestic Leap - massive barrier nerf (350140) but now scales with boonsMultiple item buffs to underused options (Extra Health, Sprint Boots, Spirit Resilience, Colossus)Overall, this patch focuses on balance adjustments, reducing dominant strategies (Ivy, Seven, Mina objectives), and improving hero diversity.
>>541235053yeah
Some characters hold their guns up or down when not shooting now
>>541235158kill your self
>* Victor: Pain Battery fixed the bolts hitting world geometry more often than intendedOK so I want everyone here to apologize to me right now: >>541196298>>541196456>>541196407>>541229348Apologize. Right now.
>>541235168ah hell yeah
ZZTR6ZZTR6ZZTR6NEED 5 FOR INHOUSE
>>541235118>Why give M&K slightly more gun damage? shit makes no sense to meCause his gun fucking sucks>Like why the hell give mid boss +500 health?Because people were taking the first midboss too early and too easily
>mirage mark nows scales off cdrRushing compress cooldown in lane
>>541235019>nerf gun Ivy (rightfully)>nerf her abilities at the same timeI said it over a year ago: they seriously don't know what to do with this character.
>>541235229im sowwy baby
>>541235158no one wants your AI garbage
>mina heavy melee kicks you in the nuts then calls you a moron when she kills you
>>541234690only billy and calico are allowed to actually build melee items. now abrams instead has to build express shot and just headshot someone to death after his charge. they also nerfed the book because abrams shouldn't be encouraged to use his abilities except charge>>541234695mobapigs that are used to rightclicking once to get around the jungle instead of actually learning a new game
They nerfed spirit pretty hard this patch, lots more spirit resist and spirit items have less damage and longer cooldowns
>>541235214pocket's model is so bland
>>541235158>rake healing gutted>all you have to do it out 1 point into it to return it>T3 actually got buffedI dunno about that
Looks like they couldn't handle the Lash.
>>541235396>>541235082In case it's hard for you to understand, her damage only got nerfed if you have 0 spirit investment. Like, I don't know, a gun build?
>>541234894Forty bros rise up
>>541235504You will never have an asian vampire gf
>>541235509tap on the wrist, his items got fucked though
ZZTR6ZZTR6ZZTR6NEED 2 FOR INHOUSE
>>541235397I forgive you.
>>541235506it means that mina at least has to choose between great lane sustain and great lane poking instead of having both just by unlocking her kit
>paige buffed to shitcan't wait for her smarmy, male-to-female transgendered players to go 25/0 and be annoying in game chat
>>541235626i'd rather have an italian vampire gf
>Ivy spirit/ability nerfsWHY, WHY KOT JUST GUN>Paige: Rallying Charge both damage & healing now grows as the horses travel, up to a max +100% of both at 350mCould have some funny results.>Seven lightning strike got gutted>vyper changesSpirit vyper is real??
Give me like 3 minutes I'm poopin
>>541235436People too lazy to read patch notes get a writeup I was too lazy to make myself
>>541235673her gun was nerfed though which is the only bullshit thing really about hermy worry is no gun nerfs to Doorman so we're still going to see people run that and be terrible in every other aspect of the hero
>>541235701they nerfed ivy base spirit kudzu because gun build got off the ground off the back of kudzu farming.
>>541235214Dynamo is looking straight forward but it looks like he's looking down
>>541235639desu from the few times i tried victor that would happen from time to time but i just ruled it out as me using it at the wrong time/being bad
>* Rebuttal: Now grants +18% Melee Resistanceis this now the best 800 souls item in the game or what?answer: yes
the super private test server is the gayest thing to ever happen to deadlock
the wall jump changes are fucking retarded I can't even walljump but I know i will just accidentally walljump a secondary time, doing nothing but still wasting stamina and then dying because i ran out of stamina. who the fuck did it hurt to be able to have great movement in a shooting game finally?>>541234863so just make an objective category (midboss, towers, patron) and make soulburn work differently on those
>>541234254Its probably even worse because now its gonna try to balance the gun/spirit/supports
>>541235298Giving M&K more gun damage but nerfing his combo was actually one of my proposed changes. Still not enough desu, that ult's main problem is that it has an imaginary cooldown.
Yoshi needs to be lynched
worst scramble of all time even before getting a final person
ZZTR6ZZTR6Need 1 nigga for inhouse
the changes are clearly trying to weaken a lot of the more fire and forget spirit abilities, but then also they nerfed counterspell and made kinetic pulse bigger
>>541236246bomb build sucked dick anon if you lost to it you need your ears' checked.
>>541236246no one builds spirit on geist because it increases the damage she does to herself, its a nothingburger
> Victor: Shocking Reanimation T3 changed from "+200 damage and +3m radius" to "+10 spirit damage per bullet and 20% fire rate while the ability is on cooldown"Actually a huge change
>>541236249genuinely cannot be worse than the shit i've seen this week
>>541235805you could sell me pretty easily on being more worried about that too 2bhthe first time I saw The Gunman being properly abused I thought it would be such a problem that it'd have to be hotfixed
>>541236246Bomb is dogshit nowadays who cares
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE NEW HEROES
>>541236332Metro's gun build is looking less retarded
>>541236332I think the aura going down to 85% self damage now is bigger, but that is an amazing buff for gun Victors. It's going to be hard to justify leveling his ultimate before his 1 or 2 though. Still, good buffs and maybe his ultimate will actually hit people. Did they remove his 100% health from the ultimate though?
deploy a new match here!
>>541236436we just got 6 of them lil nigga sit down
>no shiv buffsIt's over
ITS MY TIME BAB-EY
|* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger has been reworked* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger now stacks in both damage and slows the more daggers you hit against the same target* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger is now charge-based, with a 4.5s time between charges. Starts with 2 charges.* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger damage changed from 50 (+1) to 50 (+0.65) and 25 (+0.33) per stack* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger has a max stack of 3 (shows in overhead)* Vyper: Screwjab Dagger slow changed from 50% to 35% + 15% per stackSo this shit is literally just shiv knives now???
>>541236294-0.1 second on Counterspell duration is hardly a nerf. I'd argue the window is still way to large for what it does.
MINA CAN HOVER WITH HER UMBRELLA LMAO
>>541236436tomorrow>>541235701you WILL only build healing tempo ivy
>>541236632Shiv's got nuthin on Vyper.
>>541236637>>541236637>>541236637>>541236637
>>541236523>Did they remove his 100% health from the ultimate though?nah. t1 is damage+range on the revive, t2 is full hp, t3 is this new buff when its on cooldown
>>541236632yeah, set it mouse 2 to cast it and buy spellbinder or whatever that item is called. you can spam that easily and she takes half a second to reload
>CC chaining nerfed into the ground>gun nerfed into the ground>kudzu nerfed into the ground>air drop nerfed into the ground>gun kelvin once again nerfed (it was already mid as fuck)>seven got a slap on the wrist (again)at least screwjab dagger got reworked hahaoh wait, now it's just even more like shiv knives than beforeHAHA....
>Mina objective damage reducedGood>Can float with UmbrellaHuh, that's kind of a neat little extra. Too bad Nintendo's gonna sue them when they Patent characters floating using umbrellas>Victor detection improved, T3 is now T1, T1 is now T3 but is a permanent boost for entire cooldownNow that's pretty interesting.>Zero nerfs to perma farmingRight, of course not, clearly only the characters themselves were the huge problem.
>>541236632But better
>>541234894still pretty viable akshully
slightly dissappointed in there not being jungle/cultist sacrifice changes but i imagine they're gonna wait till a bigger update for thatalso, spiritual overflow feels strong as shit now>>541235118>Why give M&K slightly more gun damage?cuz his gun was total shit and impossible to make useful lolstill is, desu
>>541235298>>541237689M&K gun being shit doesn't mean anything and the buff was so small that it doesn't change anything. That's my point. It's a head scratcher change that does nothing and means nothing.
>>541232764>mo and krill: reduced combo duration by .00000000005 seconds>seven: still flip flopping on lighting strike's damage (when it should be removed)>warden: 1 extra second on ult but biff fire rateenough of this shit yoshi
>>541236436Did you see how long it took them to release 6 of them that were barely polished?
>>541233156>wall jumps getting nerfednah this is a garbage patch
>mina still has top tier instant silence>mina still has love bites that do a ton of damage>no nerfs to her dashes >no nerfs to her sustain (just invest two points on rake and you are back to full health after killing two minions again)>but nerf gun ivy for some reason
>>541234283only nigger queers thought her ult didn't deserve a nerf
>>541240141>no nerfs to her dashesshe is a 2 stam hero>but nerf gun ivybecause it was too strong
>>541240141>>no nerfs to her sustain (just invest two points on rake>anon does not understand the concept of opportunity costs she does need more nerfs but you're retarded
>>541234701>extra soulsa must buy
>>541240141>top tier instant silenceJEJ
>>541238272>M&K gun being shit doesn't mean anything and the buff was so small that it doesn't change anything. That's my point. It's a head scratcher change that does nothing and means nothing.He has a shotgun that shoots multiple bullets, you need to multiply that number and then multiply it again for however many boons he has anonymous
>>541240454>opportunity costs on a hero that can escape basically anything with untargetable dashes, can farm jungle creeps and troopers with ease and can also silence, nuke you or both with no counterplayi know you fags are Initiate and probably play in south american servers but there is a limit to how retarded you can be
>>541241146>she can melt midboss and patrons with ease? jejthat's how retarded you sound
>>541241553almost the same thing! good job.
>>541240141>>but nerf gun ivy for some reason>the best gun character in the gamecmon now
>>541241748yeah you sound equally retarded in both
>>541241854>best gunthat's miku
>more movement nerfsWhat fucking nigger keeps asking for those, what the fuck
>>541243062leaker said it was necessitated by the casual non-moba gamemode they're working on
>>541241926a silence wave is a better instant silence than her ult
>Abrams: Siphon Life damage and spirit scaling reduced by 10%>Abrams: Siphon Life heal ratio increased by 10%>Abrams: Shoulder Charge T1 changed from +25% Weapon Power to +20 Bullet Damage Per Shot (results in a weaker followup melee hit)Gun build keeps winning, every ''wtf gun abrams'' nonbeliever has been issued an official apology form to me personally
>>541242214didnt say best gun, i said best gun character
>>541243174How about reverting ALL of them and adding wall run instead huh? This is what makes the game fun, not MOBAslop or pure shooting
>>541243280spirit abrams still shits out damage and is still just a better victor
>>541243245and silence wave is a tier 3 item, hers is an ultimate on an already low CD that can still shit out damage anon you don't need to double down on your retardation, you can't just admit you are a fucking retard
>>541243280I feel like trying to nerf abrams is a mute point and will just make the hero constrained to a singular viable build. THey need to just accept is a solid unga to a teams bunga and will always be strong.
Need 5 for inhouse. Don't forget to update your game.ZZTR6
>>541244226>ultimate... does things?wow! surprising!a 3200 item is a better "instant silence", that's how good it is
>inhouse overfloweringALIVE GAME
Sorry for kicking you guys, somebody keeps shuffling with spectators so I have to remove you so the people with heroes selected can rejoin
>>541244871>he doubles down om it againand that's how retarded you are
>>541251415sorry I don't play in pisslow where people actually get hit by it
