Final boss flowers editionStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomGame Save Analyzer / Tacker:https://silksong-completionist.com/Previous Thread >>540984639
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>>541171750Voidniggers HATE
Why is GMS so easyWhy didn't she come down to the arena in normal sized form and duel me instead of just flinging some lame blades aroundWhy was that insufferable anime bitch Lace the harder fight
it's overthe hype is gone
I can't fucking do it
>>541189618My favorite boss battle in HK. I love how he seethes at you for striking him during his intro.Wish I could do the same to Trobbio.
>>541192861Anon... you'll have to beat much higher scores for a memento
>>541192861bro your shaman?
>>541192861Equip shaman, hit as soon as flea starts falling.
git gud killed hk
>>541192861.Don't jump..They'll move to the side opposite that you hit them.
>go back to bone bottom>huge ass skull tyrant comes and kills my day 1 homie that i always talked to when i was in bone bottom>i attended his freaking funeral bros.... this hit me kinda hard
>>541192705good. all the hypefags that didn't give a shit about the HK series until last month got filtered
>>541195715what was homie's name?
>>541195715>bros.... this hit me kinda hardSame, I didn't get any equivalent feels moments like that until act 3 which overloads you with them
>>541195715just remember you could've saved him
>>541171750Does the tracker show craft metals?
>hornet memories>no pale kingmeh
Why did Lace keep calling Hornet a sp***r? Fucking bigot
>>541197275
>completionist tool trying to say you can get Pin Badge in Act 2
who was the better gooner?
>>541199278the perv flea got to see hornet naked and also got to drink her bath water
If he's already hanging out at the First Shrine, does that mean I missed my chance to duel Garmond?
>>541200719That's what someone told me. You can check his duel location though. Maybe he'll be there too? Idk.>>541195715I didn't care much for Pilby, but Loam was my friend. I even ran with him for a bit and made a rosary or two.
>>541200719Yes, your save is bricked.
Got all three hearts and a flower. Gonna go propose to best girl in her darkest moment. Wish me luck.
>>541200719yep, sorry. you can still duel shakra though
>>541195715I wish the game had more NPC events like this happen but there's only a few highlights in the game. the dialogue and characters are more fun than the overall plot
>>541201135Architect is dead, though.
>Finally beat Lost Lace>Game glitches out when I go to jump out of the void and I'm stuck carrying her around while still just moving normally and GMS is wailing in the backgroundCool
>>541201016Great, starting over I guess.>>541201325Any point in dueling her multiple times or is that just for fun?
If these niggers weren't confined to ONE room in the entire game they would be a contender for the worst enemy. Thankfully, dropping Voltvessels in water annihilates them.
>>541201135Back. Got my butt whooped.>>541202058I mean the other best girl.>>541202463Are they so bad? You can see the direction they're going by how they point out of the water.
>>541202463I'm genuinely amazed I made it through this room unscathed
I sketched Phantom but with big anime booba, as requested a few times in the last thread. Took some liberties with the design, with the hair especially, but I think it works out.
>>541204697Very nice
>>541204697this is awesome
>>541192861I had so much more trouble with dodge than juggle.
>>541202463They should put those on Groal runback path.
>>541206873That's pure evil. I love it.
>>541206873https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igSHbtv52G4
>>541204697TSKR
are u fr
>>541208131Should have listened the first time.
>>541208131What's crazy to me about this guy is that he believes his own hype.
>using joni's blessing and taking damage still disables itits so fucking bad holy shit
this is such bullshit HK endgame bosses are a fucking joke>all of them have silksong tier attack speed and deal 2 hearts of damage>but because you can't heal midair and it takes 3x as long you basically have to flawless them (since they never let you heal)so fucking stupid
>>541209618Invincible Fearless Sensual Mysterious Enchanting Vigorous Diligent Overwhelming Gorgeous Passionate Terrifying Beautiful Powerful Grey Prince Zote deals 8 damage.
>>541208131>Stops gushing for the Knight and instead falls for Zote afteer he just shows up>Deeply regrets itShould've continued to crush on the Knight, Bretta...
>>541210114LMAOoh what the fuckI'm at enchanting, you're actually not supposed to kill him this many times lmaoI was expecting there to be a reward
>>541209618exactly, but fromdrones glazed them to death and so now TC only makes game for fromdrone retards. Anything slower, easier, or any QOL and fromdrones start screeching about muh cassuals
>>541210573Bro is off his meds again.
>>541210573
Ive searched the entirety of deep docks for the key for the door. I cant fucking find it for the life of me. I remember i freeded a mosquito thing but then we i came back to buy its good it was gone. Does he have the key and is it too late now?
>>541210931the simple key? you buy it from the merchant in bone bottom retard
>>541211538but i used that key when i was exploring to go to the wormways
>>541211923then you have to wait later in the game until you find another onethere's 4 simple keys and 4 simple doors in total
>>541211923simple keys wont necessarily be in same area as doors
>>541171750Yuri gameYuri generalLesbian communityFeminist devskoreans REALLY like this pair
>>541212983>koreans REALLY like this pairIt's a good pair
Lace colours would really pop as MC in the next game. Thinking of all the flourish they could add to her animations (including a long hair version/stance) is very exciting to think about.
Did you know that every enemy is legally obligated to get consent before doing damage to you? If you don't want to take damage, just move out of the way. It's really that simple, and they can't do anything about it.
this sucks
>>541204697Very nice.
I CAN'T BEAT PANTHEON UUMUU WHAT THE FUCK
yet another poor review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XIxW1Umq6M it's over for silkflop
Nice and slow
>>541219576buy an ad
>>541219662Yeah, that's pretty slow, but it's not quite this slow.
>>541219662Slow and steady
>>541195715Pilby...nyo... Your save is bricked.
>>541219576this is a "i got filtered but the game is good" type review
>>541220516One by one big youtubers are agreeing. It is time to accept that "getting filtered" is a flimsy excuse to disregard the much valid criticism that the majority of players are echoing.
who the fuck goes fast on their first playthrough. I am 33 hours in and i swear 25 of those are exploring
>>541221004>can't even play the game>valid criticism
Is the last judge hard or was I just playing weakly? She's very open and then I just die. But hanging back feels kinda shit as well idk.
>>541221281Silksong's the first metroidvania I've actually played to completion (or close enough), didn't finish the original HK
I gave the little ant guy my curveclaw. Now I have no curveclaw. He receives a curveclaw tool, I receive... nothing.
The wall climbing controls is making me insane
>>541221950Go back. Maybe sit on a bench first though.
>>541222013What's wrong with the controls?
>>541221510She's pretty hard. The amulet that protect you from fire is your friend.
>>541222118I want to jump to the opposite ledge and hornet is fucking gliding not jumping
>>541221510It might seem hard at first but Last judge is really easy, the fucking fly is harder.
>>541222296NTA and I am still at the beginning of Act 3, but to be fair the fucking fly was harder than almost every boss I found with the exception of First Sinner
>>541222256Just press jump. Don't point into that direction.
>>541222256Just press the jump button, if you move away from the wall before jumping you let go of it.
>Coral sways,>Clear water flows,>Upon our river free of time,Oh Karak was a river, that makes more sense
So, anybody had any idea of why Widow has its silk sealed? And who did it?
>>541221510Yeah, she's pretty hard. Combined with her runback, it makes her one of the worse.>>541222296>>541222508The fly? Who's the fly? Moorwing? Groat? Beastfly?
>>541221510easiest boss in the game, if you don't beat it first try without taking any damage on a blind playthrough, you got filtered, did not beat the game, and any opinion you may have of the game will be discarded, I don't make the rules
Can I get up back into Whiteward from the Cauldron or is it always a one way door?I don't mean the first time either I mean later on, late game with all skills.
>>541222763I'm thinking GMS did it to any weaver she could get hold of, and that Widow is just so indoctrinated she kept following her even after.
>>541222817Moorwing was very easy but I only found it in Act 2 because I did the flea caravan before and I skipped it. No idea how it is if you fight him in act 1. Groat on itself is pretty easy, the problem with him is the runback plus gauntlet. The fucking Beastfly made insult the gods of multiple pantheons
>>541222763We know who did it, the CitadelWhether it was the Citadel doing experiments prior to GMS waking up, or the Citadel under the Haunting/GMS capturing her and doing it to her as punishment or as a way to control her (because if she couldn't use her own Silk she had to use the Silk GMS had control over)
>>541222990>Can I get up back into Whiteward from the CauldronNo
>>541221281I like doing all the side stuff
>>541222990One way.
>>541223273Feels almost guaranteed Weavers getting got is a GMS thing.
>tool usage has a 15 seconds cooldown>no shard requirement>refill on benchesthere, fixed silksong
I beat GMS and I still don't know why she was my enemy
>>541224942Congrats on beating the game blindfolded, probably a world first.
>>541224728Yeah I feel that way tooGiven that Hornet was captured with the same phrasing in the orders that others were too, makes it much more likely
suggestions for HK3>10 minute runbacks>every area has its own Path of Pain>no normal mode, steel soul mode only>every attack does 10 masks damage (max masks will be 10 so there will be no point to find mask shards anymore)>10 waves gauntlet before every single boss>boss rush before the final bossthoughts?
>>541224942She's white. The game is pretty racist.
>>541224942She ordered you to be kidnapped and brought to Pharloom
So if GMS wasn't being lulled to sleep by the Citadel's song and hadn't been for a long time by the Hornet showed up, why hadn't she just broken out of the cocoon
>>541225702couple more>entire map is bilewater>beastfly in every roomanything less than this and the game will be casual trash for shitters
>>541225702>boss rush before the final bossthis already exists on HK1, and it's very fun
>>541227058but like, the whole world game bosses 1 by 1
>>541225875YesBut whyAnd why did she shit all over the land outside the citadel and why are the bugs mindbroken
>>541227175yeah, HK1 literally has that, it's the only way to fight absolute radiance, the final boss of the game
Just fought The Unraveled. Feels like a bit of a missed opportunity for a much creepier surgeon themed boss with scalpels. Tempted to say there must have been one at some point and it was scrapped in favour of this easy, boring square boss.
>>541227341Funnily enough, she wasn't the one who made the lands crazy shittyShe did break the back of resistance of the other rulers in Pharloom, but it was the Citadel who did stuff like make Bilewater a toxic waste dumpShe did mindbreak the bugs though, through the Haunting, which I think it's shown that if a bug gets Haunted too often/too long they become little more than puppetsLace seems to think she brought Hornet back because she views her as family, but GMS's motives are never outright stated. And if she really wanted Hornet why would the Haunted bugs attack her.Of course, GMS seems to be not entirely there in terms of consciousness, like with the Haunted beings going against her wishes, so it's possible that she's just mega crazy at this point.>>541228094Yeah, the spears were a weird addition.
>>541228094It was kinda disappointing that this horror themed area's boss is just a big marshmallow.
>>541228224ThisBoss could have been some horrible mutant silk abomination but instead it's just a fatass dude and spears for some reason
>>541227341She's a very controlling woman, and she's so needy for a child that she elevated normal spiders into sentient beings called Weavers, to be her children, and she also created a child made entirely of silk (Lace).But she's tyrannical, she doesn't even let her own people free, so the Weavers imprison her and fuck off. One of those Weavers was Herrah, Hornet's mother.The haunting is GMS trying to break free I guess, she pulls every string she can, controlling every bug she can, to do her bidding, and some are sent to bring back the Weavers and their children.Hornet is captured, sent to Pharloom, then helped by probably Lace, because Lace hates being artificial, thinks GMS doesn't care about her, and that the Weavers she's bringing back are replacing her in being GMS' children.Hornet sees the damage the Citadel has been making, the haunting that GMS is pulling, and the kidnapping, and takes it upon herself to fix the issues.
>>541228546>But she's tyrannical, she doesn't even let her own people free, so the Weavers imprison her and fuck off. One of those Weavers was Herrah, Hornet's mother.>The haunting is GMS trying to break free I guess, she pulls every string she can, controlling every bug she can, to do her biddingso in 7 years the best they could come up for the villain was just another radiance?
>>541228743the only thing similar is the infection/haunting, they're completely different entities
I like how they flipped the script with this hunt, gurr fight wasn't too bad either it has fuck all for health.
>>541229219I still find it hilarious that he thought he was ready to take on even a half weaver. Like, your current trophies aren't that impressive.
>>541227341>Granny makes a pharlid into the first Weaver>Granny tells the weavers "you are my children">Weavers think they're hot sh*t now: child of a god and are gods too.>First Sinner finds out it's all a lie, and that weavers are just bugs bless with her silk.>Weavers then turn on her. Put her to sleep for a while.>At some point she breaks free and they leave (or vice versa). Previous, under the rule of the weavers, I assume, silk was forced into bugs for longevity reasons and probably science. Granny has full control over them even in death because of this.>Granny uses this control to capture the weavers that sealed her and punish them.>Eventually she made her true children; legit silk beings and not glorified bugs: Phantom and Lace.>Word gets out that there's a WyrmxWeaver walking around.Granny wants her, but I don't think it's to punish her. Maybe to have her take over? Lace is maybe jealous of this 'cause this home crasher seems to be the one Granny wants for the succession, rather than her.
>>541226456>So if GMS wasn't being lulled to sleep by the Citadel's songShe was. The Citadel's song has been fully automated for a while, the architects were built specifically to make it so. Of course with everything going to shit the song was also becoming less and less powerful, so she was starting to wake up, which was accelerated by the arrival of Hornet.
I want a hornet doll. They should have prepared things to sell in advance.>>541012896>>541013894I really don' have the patience absorb lore while i'm playing. I just play and get distracted by my lack of being good at it. It was 80hrs of play before i was skilled enough to try other crests other than the second without fumbling and dying immediately.
ayo Karmelita was kinda hot though
>>541233649
>>541233995kek
>>541099749I just needed double jump to crack this. And i suckOut of bosses pounding my retarded ass anf making me redo a fight 30 times the thing that really fucks me is having to fight on the wall because you can't step on the ground.
>>541232451What about those melodies that you had to collect to be worthy of going to the cradle ?What was the true purpose of that trial ?
Did not expect a phase 3 from LL. Guessing this is why people have said she's hard, thought it doesn't seem too different than the previous phase, save for the tidal waves.
>>541233649How long until people start selling dolls of her ?
>>541234282I just thought that it was a "you can't go there unless you are authorised by the main guys" security system from back when the Citadel actually worked, like the Judges.
Guys quick question. I just defeated Phantom and as soon as a saw act 2 i insta close silksong because im afraid im gonna miss stuff from act 1. Can i safely move to Act 2 without missing anything?
Flukemarmelitaheh
>>541235039Yes
>>541234794But Lace can go to and froAnd the guys who captured Hornet were presumably bringing her there
>>541236359I suppose they all had the passwords
>>541236359Naturally Lace would have permission.
>missed Bilewater in Act 1Fuck. Did I much?
>>541236359It's a metroidvania, there is supposed to be a separation between the level layouts in gameplay terms and how the actual place is supposed to exist in a not 2d world, otherwise nobody would be able to move anywhere. If you look at the map there is no chance for those big cages to actually reach the Cradle for example.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UyyjAbl51wM
>>541237095Nah. Leaving aside that you don't lose anything by going into Act 2, Bilewater is honestly more of an Act 2 thing than Act 1.
>>541237095I didn't go to Bilewater until I had basically nothing else to do in act 2. You can go there whenever.
>>541237570>>541237690Cheers, thanks.
you don't need to do bilewater at all, not even to enter act 3, you can finish the whole game without facing groal
>>541238346>you don't need to do bilewater at all, not even to enter act 3,How do you get the snail soul then
Hey Team Cherry, I hope a wolf spider crawls up your ass while you sleep
>>541238556Maybe you can go there from Purified ducts?
>>541238589I don't get it.
>>541224942If I were to guess she has a bone to pick with the weavers for putting her into comatose and essentially enslaving her
>>541238924No, it's locked from that side.>>541237889You need double jump anyway to get to the real parts of Bilewater.
>>541239206"Servitude"But they didn't have her doing anything but sleep
>>541237889You seem really worried about missing stuff. To help put you at ease, I'll say the only things that are missable (that may actually matter for what you might want) pre-Act 3 are:.The G&Zara fight.Twisted Roots ending.Fighting Moorwing at Greymoor.Saving some charactersI think that's it.
>>541239387>>541238556you can break the shortcut from putrefied ducts side if you use the volt filament, and you can fight the voltwyrm using the clawline and double jump
>>541239007Unless I've missed an easier way it seems like act 3 has blocked off that route just so I have to start all the way in the fucking marrow to reach the area with the heart in far fields, and this is all done so that I am railroaded into a repeat gauntlet in hunter's march.
What the fuck im just about ready to head to act 2 and i hear anons talking about bilewater. How did i miss a whole ass area bro? Is it that thing from Sinners that i left undiscovered because it requires double jump? Or do you think baiting roaches to reach it viable?
>>541240167If you explored the Vaults enough it should have dropped you into Bilewater at some point
>>541239842Did they not pull silk from her and inject it into the bugs of Pharloom?>>541239976>use the volt filamentNice. But with what silk skill? Silkstorm?>>541240054Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner! You're reward? A void arena!
>>541240167there is a breakable wall in sinner's path, you don't need anything extra.
>>541240327What vaults are you referring to? Keep in my im still in Act 1 i havent gotten to act 2 yet.
>>541240054I mean, you have clawline, float cloak and presumably double jump at this point, it's not like Hunter's March should pose any challenge at this point.
>>541239943Yeah, permanently missable shit is the worst kind of game design, except maybe playthrough time limits.'Preciate it.
>>541240167No, you're fine. I think the "normal" way to bilewater is via the vaults anyway. At least, that's how I first got to it.
>>541240614There is a way to reach it from Road of Sinner that leads you to a back entrance of the Citadel by defeating Phantom, but from there you can't explore the main part of Bilewater without the double jump.
>>541240375sorry, I'm dumbI meant the voltvessel, which you get from fighting those two guys in the memoriumthe vertical purple thunder pierces the floor and breaks open the shortcut
>>541241131>Instead of fighting Gorm I am going to use THE POWER OF ZEUS to silently sneak into his backyard and steal his shit
I guess I missed the Slab? Can you get taken there whenever, or does that mob stay dead if you kill him/avoid him?
>>541211923all 4 simple keys are easy to find don't worry about it
>>541239842The conductors themselves tell you that, they probably used her as a silk farm
>>541235039moving to act 3 locks you out of content, not moving to act 2
>>541237095you can't even get the map for the area without act 2 abilities
>>541241385Fun fact, you can also use the Volvessel to unlock the muckmaggots in the Hunter's Journal as well
>>541240478Oh you're good thenIt's an area you'll explore in Act 2
>>541242126>>541240167don't worry about it
>>541240054That fight is easy fuck anyway.
>>541241476There is one guy in Hunters March and another in Greymoore.
>mfw the fight didn't end when I killed the two maestros and their bees>mfw the fight didn't end when I killed the gigaenormous bug with the mallet>mfw the fight just kept going>mfw now there's two of them and I can barely jump high enough to clear them>I have no faceSeriously WTF, this is not a game, this is abuse.
>>541240375>Did they not pull silk from her and inject it into the bugs of Pharloom?I don't think it was ever said they didThey were definitely running low on Silk after the Weavers abdicated their positions, given how they had multiple reclamation operations going, from the Whiteward ovens to the Greymoor silk spoolers
>>541242535finish shakra's or garmond's quests and they will help you in this fight
>>541233995
>>541242903her mom's hips are way bigger than lace's body
>>541242535>>mfw now there's two of them and I can barely jump high enough to clear themGo get the double jump
>>541242535Maestro's feel a lot more dangerous until you realize they only have two attacks, rotate cogflies faster, and send one cogfly at you. And if you destroy one of their cogflies they waste time by summoning a new one, which allows you to sneak a hit in. You just have to slow down and be patient, if you don't they'll grind you down contact damage. 5 hits with a twice upgraded needle is kind of a bitch though to beat through.
>>541239943Oh, right, forgot >>541241476 . There's a path to the Slab in Act 2, so it's not like it's missable, but if you don't get captured by the jailers, you wont get to play naked Hornet and her jail break.>>541242502I know of the one below Hunter's March, and Bilewater, but I didn't know there was one in Greymoore too.
>>541229429The Grand Reed sort of is. Plus he probably wasn't expecting that Hornet is half-weaver. Maybe he could take a quarter one though. Also his corpse is nowhere to be found, and he is not haunted, so maybe he survived like Seth.
>>541239943>Fighting Moorwing at Greymoorhe doesn't dissappear from the game, he was in another part of greymoor for me (the part that normally has snake guy and guy with big stick and a few small grey birds)
>>541243540A neat thing about fighting him in that area, he destroys the platforms in the left vertical part if you drag him over there to try to take advantage of them
>>541233995>Hornet picked lace instead of thisYou snooze you loze, now she's for Shade Lord only
>>541171750>>Game Save Analyzer / Tacker:>https://silksong-completionist.com/WTF, this is exactly what I needed. Too bad it's too late.Then why Anons in this thread accused the other Anon of senility when he said he doesn't remember which masks he collected? Shoulda just pointed him to this link
>>541233649>>541234734
>>541242226use the pimpillo, it's faster, two or three does the job
>>541243396Nah, anything that can be farmed for rosaries isn't impressive to me. Hang a savage beastfly or a chorus up and I'll start thinking he's ready.
In the little building in Craw Lake there's a metal door at the bottom right. Is that openable before Act 3?
>>541242903This is why Lace rebelledShe was jealous of her mothers ass
>>541244519I threw a single voltvessel in and unlocked the entry and completed it all at once. Don't think it gets much faster than that.
>>541243396>Also his corpse is nowhere to be foundMicro-ants take away any corpses underground. Though it's Far Fields, not sure if micro-ants are there
>>541242848I can't find Shakra's anywhere anymore. I'm in Act 2, I went through Last Judge, got the grapple, got Architect crest, I have all but two food, and for the last two I clearly need a double jump.>>541243224I have yet to discover any new area. There's two actually I halfway discovered; the frozen mountain, which I can't traverse because I freeze to death (I assume I need some item that I get somewhere) and I got the map from Shakra, and another area that I can't recall even how to get to it now and I wasn't able to find Shakra, or a bench for that matters, while I was there.
>>541244519>it's fasterI got it off of 1 voltvessel
>>541245036>I assume I need some item that I get somewherenope, you just need the clawline and to be fast, if you got to shakra the game already hinted that being next to a heat source stops the cold. also picrel stops freezing for a few seconds
Any bossfight with adds is automatically garbage. No exceptions.
>>541245036>I can't find Shakra's anywhere anymore>and for the last two I clearly need a double jumpGuess where Shakra is
>>541244592No.Sit on a bench in Bellhart in act 3
>>541245340Yeah I got the hint, but I didn't consider tools to have an environmental effect of that sort.>>541245443Yeah, in the area with the double jump. Great.
>>541245603If it makes you feel better, you'd have to go there anyhowTo start Shakra's Wish, you basically have to buy her entire stock. this includes all the maps for areasSo you'd have to go there anyhow
>signis and bron adds are now voidedShould have done this before act 3What fucking bullshit jesus christ
>>541245036>the frozen mountain, which I can't traverse because I freeze to death (I assume I need some item that I get somewhere)Yeah. You get it on the frozen mountain. you better be quick at moving between a heat source and another.
>>541246036biggest suggestion i can give to anyone is do literally everything in Act 2 (that you can do)
>>541246224I didExcept this fight
>>541242535dark souls fanbase has done irreparable damage to gaming
>>541246292Good luck
>>541246292At least you don't need magma bell now. Void makes everything do double damage, so magma bell will be of no use, I assume.
>>541246364they're called fromdrones for a reason
>>541244313When was this? >> me to the post.
>>541171750
>>541246501They still do fire attacks and there's the lava walls I end up gettig pushed into when there's 900 mobs on screen and I literally can't even see where I am
>>541246671Cute
Get lasered, cunt
Minihornet learning how to weave was the most adorable thing
Any other good game similar to SS? Already played Ori.>>541247638It felt like she was bullied by other weavers.
>>541247430Based Silkshot appreciator
>>541246661This: >>540949431Also turns out he WAS linked the correct link: >>540958404 . I just tuned it out.
>>541247882Not bullied exactly, more like groomed. They clearly saw the incredible potential in Hornet, and wanted to turn her into the ultimate Weaver so that she could restore them to their former glory.This is why Herrah tells Hornet to fucking ignore them and just be herself instead.
>>541247882Kinda yes, kinda no. Don't forget the weavers are barren. For them, a Child Of The Weavers TM is a groundbreaking thing. They had troubles conceding that it was a child of the Pale King to the same degree, so they were harsh on Hornet to be more Weaver than Wyrm.
crawdad was a good fight
Holy fuck. I know "kino" gets throw around way too much but everything from the final blow on Grand Mother Silk forwards was fucking great. Fantastic way to take you into Act 3.
Wonder if they read Artemis Fowl as kids and got this idea from there
>>541248445Act 3 is just back-to-back kino moments I swear
>>541248384>beat crawdad>make crows pay you taxesBased. Those fuckers should know their place.
I'd rather the DLCs slot into an additional act 4 than act 3. Act 3 is all HURRY HURRY HURRY PHARLOOM IS SHITTING ITSELF narrative wise, having one billion new things to do while it happens would be a bit much.
>>541248765It's been a long long time since I read those books, but didn't they use their pod things to just travel up on bursts of magma?
>>541248304>so they were harsh on Hornet to be more Weaver than WyrmI feels like she loses her Wyrm heritage in Weaver Queen ending. In the True ending she completely overcomes Weavers' pressure from her childhood.
Far Fields? More like Fart Fields.
>>541204697They are truly sisters...
>>541248445The most kino moment to me was (Act 3) abyss escape
So what's up with sane un-Haunted enemies spilling Silk when hurt? Some Slab enemies are sane, yet they spill Silk. Some craws are sane, yet they spill silk. Some snitchflies are sane, yet they pill silk. Some ants are sane, yet they spill silk. I think the only mobs that don't spill silk are surface bugs and dream enemies.
>>541249894Pharloom is laced with silk, top to buttom. It's literally in the air. Even in the deepest depths the workers of Pharloom have carried that silk with them. Haunted bugs are "bound" by silk, not merely carrying it.
>>541249894Almost everything living in Pharloom has Silk in them
>>541249894How do you define "sane"? Take the pilgrams for example. They seem fine, and can talk, but they are still pulled to the citadel due to the silk in them, right? Maybe all those bugs in Pharloom and those bred from silken bugs are just varying levels of insanity.
>>541249894Maybe silk is like PFAS and once it gets into the water it just contaminates everything but doesn't necessarily have an adverse effect.
>>541250229Pilgrims are pulled in by song and bound by silk, but yeah.
>>541249282They use them to travel to and from the surface riding the magma, yeahActually iirc when going down they just flew them like airplanes inside inactive tunnels or something
Am i supposed to be in those areas at act 1?
>playing the needolin makes the void threads in the abyss shakeWhat's the lore here
>>541250949white is the opposite of black
>>541250934Not. You need the Apostate key iirc. That's Act 2.
>>541250934those 3 right paths, no, you get the key in bilewater, I thinkbut that scribbled room, I'm pretty sure you can get now
>>541250949The void reacts to song negatively, you can see it in the abyss lake going bananas when Hornet sneedolins near it. The threads are infused with void and are having a fit when they hear the solo.
>>541250934apostate key and mt fay are both act 2
>>541250949The void reacts negatively to song. If you do it in the void the tendrils freak out too
>>541250949>>541251176I feel like that's GMS reacting to song
Is this the famous rising magma escape section I've seen so many people rage about
>>541234734I kinda want to fug the bug...>MAYK4Make 4?
It's crazy how they completely cut Verdania and that Coral area into slop dream events so now Wormways leads to nothing and there's basically a fucking invisible wall in Blasted Steps.
>>541251905Ah that wasn't even that hard
>>541253016Yeah, it's not hard, and it's kino. There's no problem.
Out of shards for the true final boss. Making most of the lead up fights memories that don't expend any resources then tying the final boss to respawning on a bench is certainly a decision. Guess I have to choose between rawdogding this or go put on music for a couple hours and grind like a fucking JRPG for the privilege of using half of my attacks.
it bothers me that hitting the bells in a bellway station doesn't make the beast come
>>541253781Fun fact you can summon them with your Needolin
>>541253575I'm also at LL right now. I'm a fan of her, so of course I've been going in raw.
>>541253575They made them memories so you could conserve your shards.
>>541253928To add to the facts, the small ones are more sensitive to the needolin than the big girl. They react to a shorter length of needolin playing.
>>541253928yeah I knowbut ringing a bell should call them too, it just makes sensehitting the bell wakes the beast up when she's sleeping which is cool and thats why I'm surprised they didn't do the other thing too
Total Bug Death
>>541254425Not really. The bellways are an enormous, endless pile of them, so unless Eira sees you ringing the bell she doesn't know it's you, but if it's the needolin playing or her being called by name, she knows.
Why does Garmond yell "ZANZIBAAART" when charging
These void mobs are too tanky and hit too hard, I think I'm gonna pause my act 3 main quest progress and go max out my needle and HP
Beat the final boss in my second playthrough. Ended with the same completion % but 43 hours faster.
>>541252458>and there's basically a fucking invisible wall in Blasted Steps.wym? There was an "invisible wall" in HK, too, if you go far enough in Howling Cliffs. In Silksong there's a second one in Act 3 in the mapless upper area.
>>541254334This shouldn't even be a dilemma. I've loved the game for the most part and might even consider it GOTY if nothing else surprises me but rosaries and shards feels so inelegant compared to every other mechanic. It's like I'm in the 80s playing NEStroid back when farming after dying was considered normal or you just say screw it and try to rawdog it. Metroid from Super onwards and Castlevania both solved this dilemma so long ago, one by just having a mana bar and the other by making farming for resources trivial and adding recharge stations. Even Souls games don't have this problem things like arrows are dirt cheap from shops.It half feels like Team Cherry expects me to use my whole arsenal and half feels like I'm supposed to just nail and spells like I'm the little dude again.
>>541253575You can always just copy-paste your saves. Just make sure to not accidentally delete them.
>>541255427>farming after dyingThat's the thing though, if you feel like you need to farm for shards, then you're relying too heavily on tools.TC could have just halved your tool cap and made them recover on benches for free, but the addition of shards as a system adds the option to hold back when you don't need them, and use them more liberally when you feel the need to.
>>541255716>That's the thing though, if you feel like you need to farm for shards, then you're relying too heavily on tools.NTA, but this argument doesn't work. Do you know why, or should I write 5000-word essay to make you understand?
>>541253575>or go put on music for a couple hours and grind like a fucking JRPGHow many rosaries do you have?
>>541255910If you feel the need to, go ahead. I simply didn't have any problems with shards or tools and I genuinely don't get why this complaint gets brought up as much as it does.
>>541256169Here's a hint: your argument would be sound... in Steel Soul mode. Do you need more explainin'?
>>541229429interestingly, he was targeting Hornet because of her Pale One heritage the needolin dialogue in his trophy specifies "pale... prey"
>>541256293Yes.
This fight is hard, right? I'm not just old?
>>541256782The marshmallow fight? Not really.
>>541256782I wouldn't say hard so much as punishing
>>541256782Ehhh I wouldn't say hard
>>541256782It's stupid.
>>541256846>>541256858>>541256910>punishingIt has too much fucking health and some times paying attention to the spears can trip me up, but if I track them intently enough I get hit by that marshmellow's pop-up roar.I bet I was one hit away from winning. You can't do anything about the spears, right?
>>541257319you just have to keep moving to counter the spears, if you pay too much attention to them you can't track what he's doing
>>541257319If you feel like making it easier, poison tacks does wonders against him
>>541257529>>541257576>tacksI had considered using tacks, but I'm low on bone shards. I've got a chunk I can break, though.Thank.
>>541253575>he did not buy 20 shard packs before going downDo you even game
>when you absorb GMS she starts to look frayed like PhantomKino
i'm in the white palace and i already did all the platforming and opened this shortcut. i closed the game and came back to it and there is a barrier. the fuck. there was still an area with platforming there to be done, am I gonna have to do it all again?
>>541258591actually this barrier appeared all over the place. i guess i'm supposed to take another path now
>>541256782It's a battle of attrition more than anything, playing it safe is more important than trying to burst him down.
>>541256782Yeah, it's hard. I assume those other anons are actually good at the game (I'm not so great). There's only been 2 bosses I seriously used tools on, and this is one of those two. Also the only boss I used architect crest on. I recommend you just use poison tacks on him. Don't even stress fighting him. Just tack him to death. He has so much HP that using all tacks wont be enough, so archi crest is needed. Also, your tool capacity and damage should be at max.
>>541259157Right. My follow-up post explains my problem, though, I can get tripped up by the spears in late second phase.>>541259439>Also the only boss I used architect crest on.I swapped back to Hunter in the hopes the evolved ability aids me, but I'm also making use of the counter silk skill.>has so much HPI fucking knew it.
>>541259682He's the only boss in the entire game that I think had too much health for his own good.
>>541259964Khann feels like he has too much, even though he's easy.
>>541260303Really? I felt like he died just when he started being fun.
>>541260413I hear he has the second most health in the game.
>>541256293>>541256642Must still be writing his essay.
>>541260512Guess I just didn't notice because he stands still for so much of the fight.
>>541260886>>541256642>>541256169nta, but I assume he's saying that dying can cause you to have to use tools again, which can cause you to run out, even if you "hold back when you don't need them, and use them more liberally when you feel the need to".
>>541260886Calm down, this is not IRC chat. Basically if you die on bosses/gauntlets, you do not gain shards, because they do not drop shards. So even if you use your tools sparingly, you still eventually run out of shards, given enough deaths.>but you gain shards on the runbackRunback is non-existent for like half the bosses
>>541260512He does. Top 5 are>Lost Lace (1800)>Khan (1650)>Karmelita (1500)>Nyleth (1250)>GMS (1204)
>>541261213Yeah, so you are using tools too much. We cleared that up already.
>>541261346Even if you use 1 tool 1 time per the entire boss battle, you still run out of shards if you die enough times.>inb4 1 time is still too much lolololololTools exist to be used
>>541261295GMS does not feel like she has a lot of health
>>541261482Tools exist as an aid to help with the fight, you're still supposed to be learning the fight and starting to save your tools for later phases as you learn the earlier ones.
>>541261643Yeah I'm just as surprised as you
>>541261703I end up running out of shards, then winning without any tools whatsoever. Kinda lame, if you ask me. I want to win using the full arsenal.
>>541261295Geez. As if Karmelita wasn't well rounded already. She has ranged weapons, melee attacks, can dodge, block, make environmental hazards (spikes), double damage attacks, and has an entourage arena. And now you're telling me she has the 3rd most health in the game. She really is queen.Also, thanks for that LL info. Guessing her phases are equal parts of her health. This'll help me gauge how long her final phase is. (I can reach it kinda consistently)
>>541261810I don't know what to tell you, but you can keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting something different to happen if you want, though that rarely works.
>>541261295So easiest bosses have the most health? Kinda surprising.
>>541262192Any mechanic where you're better off than you currently are when you revert to earlier save suck ass.
>>541247430Are you one of th people who whines about lack of shards
>>541262807rent free
>>541262215>Karmelita and Lost Lace are some of the easiest bossesSure, anon
>>541262215I'd say 3/5 on that list are easy
>>541263826>Yes
>>541263840Obviously harder than Moss Mother, but still easier than Broodmother or Disgraced Chef Lugoli.
>>541264046>but still easier than Broodmother or Disgraced Chef Lugoli.Fucking huh?
>>541248064He was linked that link after he crashed out at being told to consult a map.
>Calls himself Sprintmaster>Spends half his time flying
>>541264046>but still easier than Broodmother or Disgraced Chef Lugoli???????????
>>541264552I judge "hardness" by the number of attempts before winning. It took me less attempts for LL or Karmelita than Broodmother or Disgraced Chef Lugoli.I dunno, maybe I'm just bad against fat fucks jumping all over tight arenas.
>>541256782I dunno, it didn't feel too hard but it did feel like it went on forever. Most of my damage taken was from touching his fat ass and that was from me being greedy trying to speed the fight up. If you're fine going slow you can just hop in either top corner and dodge everything except the occasional down spear thing, which you avoid by running to the other side. This takes fucking ages since you only get like one or two swings on him this way.
>>541256782After I immediately died when I first encountered that boss, I just immediately gave up and fucked off to do other things. I re-fought him at the end of Act 2, it wasn't that hard with all Act 2 upgrades.
>>541264945>I re-fought him at the end of Act 2, it wasn't that hard with all Act 2 upgrades.I feel like that's when you're supposed to fight him
I keep losing my steel runs a few hours in (I'm going for 100% in <30 hours). I'm getting a bit sad guys. Any advice or encouragement? My last try, I quickly got the first nail upgrade and then the plasmium phial befote I backtracked and started collecting. Died to the hidden hercules beetle because I wasn't being careful and didn't notice the 2-mask contact damage. Before that, I got the fractured mask and died to the skull tyrant...
>>541265501>died to the skull tyrant...Lol. Ngmi
I'm just getting into hunter's march and this is tripping me up. The platforming is not that hard which is what I saw people complaining about, but it's crazy that there are regular mobs with Hornet's kit from Hollow Knight
>>541265501First do a few normal runs fight. Try to die as less as possible. Develop strategies on how not to die for each enemy and each area. Revert the save (on normal mode, obviously) to re-fight bosses/gauntlets enough times that you feel like you can consistently win. You're supposed to do Steel Soul when you know the game like back of your palm.
>>541265750Just avoid them once you have enough kills for a Hunter's Journal. Generally they're fixed in a single platform and can't chase you.Also the area gets even harder, with more enemies and traps if you leave it to do other things.
>>541265757You sound like my wife. I don't want to put 20-30 hours in to prepare for a 10-20 hour run. I already put a lot of time in before I got the speedrun achievement.
>>541266320Then do it in parallel. 1 Normal save, 1 Steel Soul save. You practice areas/bosses in a normal save first, then immediately do them in Steel Soul save. Would take less time than re-playing the game several times.
Silksong being new made me realize how much doing Pantheon 5 in Hollowknight before doing Steel Soul 100% helped.
Lace is pretty...Pretty ugly, that is.
Is is weird that I think the Broodmother is kinda cute?
>>541270306Yes
God Karmelita is a bitch to fight
>>541249894A tablet accessible early in the game at the top of The Marrow reads: “In the air. The water. Everywhere. Inside their shells. Twisted inside. Guts. Tightest around heart. Pulsing rhythm. Sick. Alive. Dead? Something worse. Deeper. Must look deeper.”It’s like getting exposed to radioactive isotopes that deposit in your thyroid and bones, or absorbing microplastics into your brain and balls.
So, when the Broodling gets big enough, all the big fat Wardenflies feeding her are gonna plap her? Did I get this right? If that's true, you really cannot kill the flies of the Slab.
>>541270750Yes. The flies are absolutely horrid.
>>541270750Honestly surprised you don't get an option to kill her right there
>>541229907you are forgetting Evaeveryone forgets about Eva, even fan artists.
>>541272710Eva isn't important thoughShe's a failed experiment to get around their problems with pregnancy
>>541272261I don't get it either, it's not like Hornet is against infanticide.
>>541272710I mean it's kind of hard to draw someone that doesn't have a corporal form
Is there actually a controlled way to win at the dice game? When I googled it, some say to shake the dice for 6 seconds (not consistent for me, even using a timer) or until they glow (never seen it happen).
>>541272710There's some Eva stuff out there, but like was said already, it's hard to draw art of somebody who isn't really shown at all.
>>541272710>>541273245
They should have had Eva and Second Sentinel meet and fuse into a single being
I want fan art of loli Lace putting/growing white roses all around Eva's shell.
>2 damage ranged projectiles on Karmelitafuuuuck you
>>541264819>Most of my damage taken was from touching his fat assIt's ridiculous!
>>541272261>>541272857I'd make it so you could kill her, but every time you come back there's just another one.
Shaman should have had 2 Silk Skill slots and 3 Blue slots
>>541270623When I read that tablet and heard those sounds, I really thought they were crazily forcibly tearing out silk out of their eyes and stuff, damaging organs in process, like in some bloody horror. Turns out it's just regular mobs not doing anything in particular.
there arent enough "give 600 rosaries/shells to help us rebuild" and "farm these silver bells" quests in the game
>>541273040Look at animation while pressing and holding the button. Count the number of times Hornet shakes the dice. At certain number (14) unpress the button. Hornet will say "yeh" when you do it correctly.
>>541276363>give 600 rosaries/shells to help us rebuildI love those.>farm these silver bellsI hate those. Thankfully they nerf the difficulty of this quest in the next patch.
So I was reading something that said that the Radiance isn’t a pale being. That seems like bullshit right? It’s design really seems like it’s a pale being.
>>541245340i did it without ever realizing this item would be a huge fucking help
>>541277412>hugeIt's just a panic button, used in desperation when you're almost there but you're dying. It doesn't really warm you up like fireplaces do, it just pauses damage for a few seconds.
Man, Widow got hands. Doing a second playthrough just to get a feel for how much just knowing where to go does for the 5-hour achievement, and it took me a good 4-5 tries to beat her. Not used to not having all the bells and whistles of later game haha. I think there was at least one moment where I instinctively went for a double jump.
>>541277560it doubles the time you can stay in the cold
>>541269273I really like how the elements of her 3 mothers come together to form Hornet’s character. Herrah as her biological mom informs some of her traits like her silk generation, Vespa is responsible for her capacity to fight, and the White Lady is responsible for her proper manners. I think what’s especially interesting is how subtlety they handle her similarities with the pale king. The entire narrative is written in such a way to make you feel like he isn’t present in the story at all, but that isn’t true. Something interesting happens when you look at Hornet’s actions and contrast them with the weavers. When the Weavers were confronted with the danger of Grandmother Silk, they ran away to the corners of the world. Hornet does the opposite. She confronts that which terrified the weavers. Think of what Hornet does in this game.>she arrives in a distant and troubled land>she helps the bugs of that land find stability>she uses a void trap to capture a god being with three others and the whole thing failsHer arc in this entire story is the arc of the pale king,outside of the end of the third act. Through Hornet, we get hints of who the Pale King was.
so, when does this game start getting hard?so far you can basically just walk into shit spamming attacks and winis the hard part up next?
>>541277656Took me just under 2 hours to free Bellhart. I accidently went to Hunter's March because I thought that you needed to go there to open the trap door blocking the air vent into Greymoor from Far Fields, so that's an easy ~20 min at least off the run. A friend of mine was telling me that the fastest route to the Citadel is through Sinner's Road -> Bilewater, so I'll give that a shot. I accidently did that after getting to the Citadel the first time because I got lost and thought I needed to unlock some door from the other side but I didn't need to, so I'm familiar with the route at least. Probably won't be able to clear the game with the 3 hours I have left, but I think I'll still go for a completion just to see how much time it takes.
>>541278249i didn't know druid's eye was that much silk gen wtf lmaooooo
>>541278792There's an upgraded version if you find all the berries and give them to the druid.
>>541277315Higher Being =/= Pale Being
The snails or their ancestors did some fucked up rituals going by those tablets
>>541278792basically works out to be 1 silk gained per 1 damage takengives 2 greens when hit once, they becomes 2 silk on next hit takenmultihit attacks that deal 1+1 damage trigger it twice and deal 2 damage, gain 2 silk right awayand that's 1 damage = 1/9 of a heal, which with multibinder heals 4 damageIf you manage your silk you're blocking 44% of all damage with druid's eyes, making it by far the biggest tank effect.then magnetite dice blocks 1/13 of all damage on averageand flea brew + wanderer's crest builds up stupid amounts of silk fastand injector actually lets you spam those heals
>>541278043Good post.
Wanderer, Architect, Shaman, Beast, any red tool besides Straightpin, Polip Pouch, Multibind, Injector Band... If you used and of these ydbtg.If you used any tool besides non-poisoned straightpins... ydbgIf you used multibind or
>>541279687>using a crest with FREE +40% damageydbtg
>>541278249>WandererI tried Wanderer a few times, it was a pretty meh crest for this fight. Switched to Hunter, defeated her instantly.
>>541171750Lost Lace feels too long, they really should've removed the second phase and have her skip straight from the first to the third.
>>541228191She's at least there enough to respond when Hornet asks for her silk so she can save herself and Lace in the ending and gives it willingly. Lace was so very extremely wrong in thinking her mother didn't care about her.
>>541278043So basically>Pale King was a completionist who happily took every sidequest to gather used clothes and deliver supplies to peasantsThis… actually makes sense. When he first shed his wyrm form he was probably doing a lot of dirty work himself and making slow progress improving squatter camps full of critters who had just barely gained consciousness. Almost everyone who knew him as the beloved Pale Mayor whose door they could knock on would have died of old age long before he got anywhere close to building skyscrapers.
>>541227385>>541227058I hated it, I can't handle boss rushes so I never beat it.
>>541278043You can also attribute her ingenuity with her tools as part of something she learned alongside the Pale King, as there are tools that she fashions herself and she repairs all her tools
>>541262157Technically, because you have to fight her fuckhead gauntlet everytime you fight her, she has an extra 545 health to chew through
why do people like this fight outside of story reasons it's like she's solely designed to fuck you over whenever you try to have fun
>unlock fast travel in ACT 3>fast travel doesn't work in the act 3 areaswhat did they mean by this
>>541282564I can use it in the Skarr Act 3 areas wdym
>>541282891He likely means Abyss and Nameless Town.
>>541282406>why do people like this fightIt's fun.
>>541282406Once you get a good rhythm going it can be enjoyable, but it's a real slog of a fight
>>541282406huh, that was one of my favorite fights. I enjoyed how fast paced it was.
>>541282954and lost verdania and the cradle
wonder if you get a permanent warmth effect in mount fay if you have wispfire lantern equipped
>>541283101>lostThat's a memory location, tho
>>541283154Speaking of Wispfire Lantern, they patched Cogflies attacking Skullwings, but they haven't patched whisps attacking Imoba.
>>541277315Pale beings are meaty, physical, living creatures that are like leftovers from some insane ancient ecosystem full of magic where everything was a god. The Radiance is a primordial entity made of “essence”. Radiance existed in a weird way and was at serious risk of suddenly not existing just from being forgotten hard enough. She couldn’t pop in and duke it out with Pale King the old fashioned way and couldn’t shop around elsewhere for a new kingdom.
>>541283004I got decently into it but it doesn't really feel like a duel so much as you exploiting her ai. The only way to get hits in that doesn't involve risking unreactable damage or her teleporting away is running around to trigger her lunge attack and pogoing off of her at the end repeatedly. >>541283072first sinner was a way more fun fast fight to me (although I wish she had more health or another phase), she's extremely oppressive but you always have ways to react and weave aggressive plays in if you're reading things well. With shakra it felt like I was just dicking around until she felt like giving me an opening to attack since any attempt to close the gap is met by her teleporting away
>>541278792if you collect all 7 berries you get an upgraded version that gives a full bar per hit it's kind of insane
>>541283775First Sinner was a really cool boss in theory, but unfortunately I beat it on my second try because literally all you have to do is just repeatedly run towards her and do a sprint attack causing her to teleport to the opposite side of the screen, reposition yourself in the gap between the lances to avoid the next silk attack, and repeat until the fight is over.
>>541283867kind of its half of 2 bars per hit instead of 1 bar per hit which makes it wonkieralso they goofed and you can actually have the green 'half' pips stick out past the end of your silk bar and display you having 17x silk, 2x green in a bar that only fits 18
>>541283651>She couldn’t pop in and duke it out with Pale King the old fashioned wayBut Pale King dragged his whole castle into dream realm, why she didn't duke it out then? Or was she already sealed inside Hollow Knight back then?
>>541283957NTA but I think the intended purpose of First Sinner was to force the players hand into aggression and to that end it was a success. My general approach to bosses is to survive and steal a few hits when I can. With First Sinner they knew people tended to play like that and made a boss that cannot be beat that way. You're basically funnelled into running head first at the boss for the whole fight because if you're not doing that then you'll never be close to her hitbox.
>>541283101>lost verdaniaOf course it doesn't work there you're in a memory
>>541283651So is Nightmare Heart Pale Being, or is it closer to Radiance?
>>541265501>>541266320Are you not on PC? If you are just back-up your save occasional.Otherwise, do the fractured mask strat: If the mask break, press start and quit game. No exceptions.
bwos, we are getting animated content nowhttps://x.com/shibachabry/status/1968281323489136987and hornet x lace (lacenet) is pretty much one favorite hashtag trent; laceschizo is going to have it rough in the coming YEARS
>>541285513>just back-up your save occasionalHe wants to do Steel Soul run, tho. A run where you die several times is just a normal run.
how are they so perfect?
Is it possible to like lace without liking yurishit?
>>541265750Come back after your first nail upgrade.
>>541286719I like Lace, but I don't like Hornet, so I'm not really into the LaceXHornet stuff, though I don't really mind the Hornet being a step-mom to her kinda stuff.
Yuri couple of the year in the Yuri game of the year
>>541286719Yes. Unfortunately you're still going to have to deal with retards and shipfaggots that take any and all criticism personally.
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>>541261643you can sit on top of her and keep slapping her so she just doesn't feel that tanky, imagine if you had only tiny window where you can attack her.
She's an absolute sex fiend and nobody can convince me otherwise
>>541255140forgive me, zanzibart...
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>>541285778>all the top ships in this game are gayHetsloppers lost bigly
>>541288232I love her autistic way of talking so much
>>541285419The Nightmare Heart is a higher being like pale beings and Radiance are, but isn’t pale (it’s very red) and has its own strange features and fairytale logic. Like it has cultist slave bugs wearing themed brainwashing masks to serve it, but also wants layers of permission and assistance to actually enter an old kingdom and harvest the tastiest nightmare essence there to make a new vessel? It’s as bizarre as Radiance is and blends the lines with the physical by being a stitchwork thing full of essence that it juices up flesh puppets with. Could have started out the same way Father of the Flame did.
>>541278249>multibinder over an offensive toolDPS loss, post discarded
>>541278507>>541277656You can totally so act 2 in that time period, the biggest choke points are High Halls arena and Lace 2 but if you route in a craftmetal or two you can use cogflies/sawblades to make both much easier. I'd recommend checking out some speedruns if you're curious on routes, because personally I was shocked at how quickly the citadel went and I didnt even play particularly well. Good luck!
>>541253575>not going Volt Shaman if you ever run out of shards in Act 3
>>5412877343
Cute but out of character.
Hornet is canonically tsundere for helping people, so I agree, I think that needs to be incorporated.
If Karmelita, Nyleth, Khan and the twin princes took on the Citadel together I refuse to believe they would have lost.
>>541290114That is the entirely wrong kind of dere to describe Hornet.
>>541288675Which offensive blue tool? Wispfire Lantern? Sawtooth Circlet? Pollip Pouch? Claw Mirrors? Memory Crystal? Snitch Pick? Volt Filament? Pin Badge?Hmm, I thought there weren't many blue tools which would help with dps, turns 38% of them can help with dps.
>>541290114She really isnt, if anything she's tsundere about letting herself enjoy games. But she immediately makes Bellhart a priority after seeing it in distress and is willing to help tons of people even if they give her shockingly suspicious requests, like Grey Root. And she flat out tells Pavo that she had forgotten about the warmth she gets helping others. She's just lonely and carrying unresolved issues from her time spent guarding a dead kingdom, she never acts like helping others is something she dislikes.
>general is this ded less than a month after release>only propped up by yurifagswas the hollow knight sequel really that bad?
>>541290738Its a single player video game. The Zelda general died faster after TotK came out lol.
>>541290528Hornet is certainly not yandere nor dandere.
>>541290702Sometimes she pretends it's just about the reward or training. When explaining it to Bell Hermit, she admits both sides of her: getting power and helping people.
>>541290818NTA but Hornet is a Kuudere
>>541290528>>541290702I'm basing that mostly on a bunch of lines in Act 1 where she copes that she only does wishes because she might get something advantageous in return, she's not doing it just because she cares or anything. Of course she develops and admits to herself she actually wants to help people as the game progresses, but I still felt like it counts. (But then I'm not super invested in this discussion.)>>541290738Hardcore fans of the series all got and played the game immediately on release in a 72h play session fever dream, and all the long tail normalfags got filtered by the difficulty. It's now been a month since the game released and it has had non-stop threads on /v/ for most of that time. I think a lot of the discussion has just been exhausted at this point.
Silksong updated for anyone just now? Wonder whats changed.
I'd like to thank team cherry to making cosplayer wearing a body suit
>>541291085Hopefully the silver bell/choir pin drop rng
>>541291085There's a week-old post in the steam forums with a beta/changelog for Update 3, so I assume they're just rolling that out generally now.
>>541291376usually those have names, tho
>>541290818Kuudere.>>541290923>>541291037Hornet isn't hiding her emotions behind aggression and denial, but had rather become so cold and jaded after a life as an immortal that she is quite literally telling the truth when she says she's only doing something for the potential benefit. She even goes so far as to admit that she'd forgotten what the warmth of helping others even felt like, not that she was actively trying to lie to others about her feelings.She's cold, but not cruel, uncaring, deceptive, or overly emotional.
>>541291376>crest upgrades unequipping toolsYesss this annoyed me
>>541291575I dunno man, she doesn't seem "cold" specifically. She acts like a blend between a noble and a knight, everything else is just a side effect of that.
>>541291739If a stoic, pragmatic, and detached knight doesn't read as "cold" to you, then I have no idea what you'd describe as cold without just defaulting to "needlessly mean"
>>541291739Herrah the Beast => HunterHive Queen Vespa => KnightWhite Lady => Noble
>>541290335Depends on how long it took GMS to make weavers after arrival. If she made them early on it would have meant assassins that doubled as shock troops taking down champions left and right.
>>541290556Volt Filament so you can Threadstorm during the dive kicks, it shreds her.
>>541288232>“T-t-throwing it back? N-no bug red I d-don’t throw anything… e-everything here has u-u-usevalue…”
Me: haha yeah can't be much left now*only 3 memento slots filled*
So, are Craws outsiders attracted by GMS and/or Weavers, like Slab's flies, or are they natives?.. If they were Citadel-aligned, what was their role? If not, why are they ignored when people mention natives?
>>541293165Mementos are optional, and do not count towards completion percentage
>>541293184They may have come to the lands after GMS was put to sleep, they have a relatively small settlement but seem to care deeply about the fate of the land. I cant imagine they were around during the time of Verdania or they would have been culled. And they arent forced to collect silk dregs like the rest of Greymoor's citadel bugs.
Since I beat Silksong over a week ago I haven't been able to stop thinking about it so I'm here to make two confessions I'm embarrassed to admit even on anon image board in the hopes it will help >1. Reflecting on my time with the game and watching the end cutscene has made me tear up >2. I am extremely sexually attracted to Lace and her giggling at you everytime she kills you made it considerably harder for me to beat her I am closing the tab now please do not respond
>>541293490Both of these are relatable.>please do not respondDon't tell me what to do.
Top 5 area themes in no particular order>Choral Chambers>Cogwork Core>Lost Verdania>Bilewater>FleatopiaTop 5 combat themes in no particular oder>Widow>The Choir>Skarrsinger Karmelita>Awakening>Lost Lace
I thought I beat last judge but then she exploded and now I have to do it again. I'm very tilted. I'll go workout because fuck this
>>541294012You didn't beat her, you just survived until Phase 4.
>>541294012I had Mega Man Zero 1 flashbacks as soon as she started smoking but I love that she does, its a final "fuck you, pay attention" move and I respect it a lot. Besides, Widow's death fakeout should have prepped you to not let your guard down until you see the journal entry tick.
Can I move the story forward with Nyleth/Khan/GreenPrince?I don't want to kill my wife.
>>541294279Yeah you only need 3 hearts. But if you ever kill her afterward it makes Hornet seem like a massive asshole, dooming Far Fields to wither for no reason.
>>541294279Yes. The 4th heart goes in one of the memento slots in your home though.
>>541294279Yes. I dunno what happens to Gilly's wish, tho. So you might be left without tenth mask or boss battle with psycho ant hunter.
>>541294319Isn't she basically dying already when you go fight her anyway? She doesn't resist at all in the present, because she knows it's better for her remaining power to be used to save the kingdom than sustaining her elderly life a little bit longer.
>>541294012getting exploded then running back to beat her again on my next attempt was one of the most satisfying moments of the game for me
>>541294438She's old and her power is spent but she only is willing to help because she thinks it will save the kingdom. Without her power the greenery Far Fields will fade and likely doom the entire ecosystem for generations. She doesnt part with her life so you can put her heart in your vacation home.
>>541294438Don't dismiss the consequences
>>541294161I know. I just had a perfect attempt though, where I did everything correct and performed to 100%. And now I can't recreate that performance. So I'll just do something else for a while.
>>541294012Ensures you really know how to beat her and didn't just get lucky.
>>541294770Nothing wrong with taking a break and coming back later with a clear head. If you beat her once you can certainly do it again, she's a tough but fair fight.
>>541294682>>541294702Huh, I don't remember getting that dialogue. I guess I see the point. Though what is the logic there? how does her power sustain the plant life? is it just that the ant colony will collapse and that in turn will have effects on the system because they served vital maintenance functions?The one heart I felt kinda fucked up getting while playing was the Nyleth. Khan and the Prince are just presiding over a dead domain anyway, though it is a bit sad that the last memories of those once-beautiful regions are being lost, but they likely would've been to time eventually anyway.
Ants: can't we just get a new queen?Karmelita: hmm no I'm afraid you will all be entombed in these caves along with me, like the pharoahs of old
>>541294770Taking breaks is great for these kinds of games. I spent hours fighting LL, before giving up for the day, and the next time I picked up the game I casually beat her on my second try. This happens all the time for me with difficult games, rest really solidifies what you learned.
>>541294987>Though what is the logic there? how does her power sustain the plant life?She's just fucking cracked. For all we know her singing helped nurture the land around her, wouldnt be the first time we see magic and song being linked in Pharloom.And I did feel bad "killing" Nyleth with her dialogue but to be fair she already was dead.
>>541295107Lace playfulness contrast Hornet so well. Bravo Cherry.
>>541294391it's unrelated to the heart, you can still find the wish in bellhart if you have found gilly at any point in act 3.
>>541295205her singing even nurtured meshe's so flat and hot.
>>541295073If they wanted a new queen they shouldnt have became haunted cucks
>YOU CAN SKIP THE GROAL FIGHT BY BREAKING THE FLOOR IN PUTRIFIED DUCTS WITH A VOLTVESSEL TO SNEAK IN BILEWATER FROM THE WRONG DIRECTIONBilesisters, our response?
>>541294987The implication seems to be that it's not JUST gods that empower and enlighten their surroundings, but rather ANY bug with enough force of will and a dream they wish to manifest, actively does reshape the world in their image, albeit at a smaller scale.
Wish we could become bros with the ants they're super solid. Even stronger than mantis tribe
>>541295468You'll miss more of the comfy music though
>>541171750Ah yes, the typical AIslop with Hornet walking over flowers and grass shadows in the middle of nowhere. Hmmm delicius
>>541295468I think it's a cool skip, but if it stays in the game then every new player is going to be instructed to use it by "helpful" redditors.I honestly don't know if I want it gone or not.
>>541290802Yeah but at least totk had some post-game shenanigans for retards to come up with autobuilds for shits and giggles, people were motivated to figure out the engineering stuffElden Ring and other single player games kept active generals for years because there are so very many builds you can play and figure out how to design themsilksong is forgotten a couple weeks down the line because you beat the game and that's it, you're done, nothing left to do
>>541296676>Elden Ring>single player gameHuh?>silksong is forgotten a couple weeks down the linelmao dude its a clear goty candidats along with E33 and Hades 2. People are making art and memes daily, what are you talking about?
>I AM... LE FORGOTTEN!>DEAD GAME>DOA>IT'S SO OVER FOR SILKTROONSWeb forum chatter doesn't determine if something is successful and/or recognized or not. It's okay for things to end.Go back to whatever live service game you crawled out of.
Silkekes are afraid
>>541296810Oh wow it'll be in contention to win the It Takes Two Award lmao
>>541297196The gacha pulls will go down if the steam concurrent drops! That's a dip in quarterly revenue!The sky is falling on Team Cherry and Silk-c-u-c-k-s are on suicide watch!
>Eva was probably half sylph slug since that's a pale being and her thing is called Sylphsong>Hornet can eat her and her powerWill Hornet start oozing pale slug oil?
>>541287615>we killed Phantom for no reason >>541285778I was surprised to see just how much fanart it's gettingUnfortunately GMS and Phantom are starved for content
>>541297364?Why do you guys pretend TGA is no big deal while seething about the winners? Such a strange thing.
>>541261643That's because you can hit her relentlessly while almost not even worrying about getting hit, whereas most other bosses you usually have to wait for openings
>>541294391There is a Gilly's wish? I never saw it and have 100%.
>>541297829Phantom wanted to die though.
>>541299625the wish where you track something in far fields while running into traps and at the end fall into the boss room. it becomes available after killing karmelita.
Is it me or save for the Citadel SS areas are nowhere as complex and mazelike as most HK areas
>voided>>541299959Oh right. I forgot it was from her.
>>541299959>it becomes available after killing karmelitanah, just after run in with gilly in the far fields, haven't done the heart yet but killed gurr
shit ass website IP banning me for no reason lmao all I want to do is HK post
>>541299960The individual rooms in SS in general are much larger than those in HK, therefore there are less rooms per area and less mazelike in general
>>541300574On that note, I never got around to finishing all the dream fight content in my original HK run. So now that I've beaten Silksong and gone back the whole game is way easier. Nightmare King Grimm, though, feels like a Silksong boss in Hollow Knight, and its kind of stressful with the Knight's movement ability. I swear if I had the Hunter diagonal pogo I would be making mincemeat of this guyAlso kind of fucked up that you're locked out of two of your charm notches due to having to carry the child into the fight, and it doesnt even show up to help
>>541297829According to journal entry Phantom was already dying. She wanted to go out with a bang, so Hornet fulfilled her wish.
I predicted it. There is so much Hornet x Lace fanart now, it could bump the thread every single day without repeating one. It's crazy.
>>541301176>I predicted it.They are two girl characters in a popular indie game. That's like saying you predicted that the sun would rise, which just makes you look like a moron for stating the obvious.
>>541300574Silk Soar being limited to rooms really hurts Silk Soar. HK's Crystal Dash wasn't room-limited.
>>541301086>>541299889We could save her if we gave her silk tho. I imagine if there's an act4 it'd be different if you killed her or not
>>541301675I don't think silk is the problem, Anon. She was aging.
>>541301176every passing day proves picrel right
>>541301176>nowhornet x lace fanart has singlehandedly kept the silksong hype train chugging since 2019
>Gurr only lures Hornet after she kills KarmelitaThe strung up bodies suggest she was always on his hitlist but I would prefer a lore reason to suggest that he only chose to kill her after she killed Karmelita i.e something in Hornet's act there prompts him to go after her.Why does he only target her after that? Make it make sense. It can't be that he was a simp for Karmelita and wanted to lash out at Hornet since Karmelita was like 90 years old at this point.If Hornet was just another bug on his hitlist, why does he wait until after Karmelita? Is it that Hornet killing Karmelita puts her on his radar as an extremely worthy foe? Is he just angry because he's an ant?
>>541301936you don't even need to specify the game in this, every single fucking niche interest eventually gets ruined by trannies and third worldersbut yeah it would've been fucking unthinkable in 2017 for anyone to call the knight from hollow knight "nonbinary" but nowadays in the tranny space that's the mainstream belief
the beating conjoined heart memento is annoying and has ruined the coziness of my house.
>>541302042He was exiled. He does not love other ants.
>>541302128Have heard it said that you can avoid the homohome by deliberately getting Green Prince heart + 2 other hearts then give those to the shamans. However if you have all 4 hearts then the shaman's leave you with the Green Prince' heart and you're stuck with it in your house.So the play is to deliberately avoid whichever heart you want to keep at home until you give the other 2 + GP's to the shamans.
>>541302336you can still go get the third heart even after turning in the quest with 2? wouldn't that one just beat aswell? they all beat in the inventory. this is the only thing that actually needed to be patched.
>>541302558I haven't done it personally but that's my understanding, yes, that you can still get the 4th heart.
easily the best character introduced in Silksong, can't wait to see her as the next MC
>>541291376>Controller fixesFinally. I never heard anyone in these threads talk about it, so I thought it was just me or something, but randomly, usually an average of 5 - 15 mins, the game would DC from my controller, and Hornet is left standing there taking hits. Boss fights, pogos, doesn't matter. Seemingly happens at anytime. I've already played the game up to LL like this, but it's still a nice fix.>>541293165I told a break from momentos to complete the game. I'll comeback after 100% + LL.>>541293490>2.I made a whole post like 7 threads ago about how I had trouble beating Lace 2 'cause of how distractingly attractive she is.
>>541213328Sucks she is not a good enough character to be a proper protag.
I think lace's design is ugly
>>541302949Agree, and her voice is extremely annoying.Trash fucking character.
>>541302949I think you're ugly.
>>541301936This image is retarded because HK is not something that you play with other people. It's not a social experience. You're just mad at other people for existing. There are always going to be people you don't like who happen to like the same things that you do, you don't have to let the thought of them consume you. It's not normal, what you're doing.
This game needs a challenge that explores its hidden parry mechanic.https://www.instagram.com/p/DOxvwZSDgGr/
>lace as hollow knight 3's playable characterjesus christ I hope not
>>541290738No, /vg/ just sucks.
Is there anything I should do in Act 3 before taking the bell into the Abyss? I know you get the super duper jump from there so I didn't think there was much point exploring the rest of the map until I had it.
>>541303593i hope so
>>541303884Going into the abyss the first time isn't some super big deal point of no return game ending quest, you go back to pharloom fairly quick and nothing changes
>>541303901>>541303593The fanbase will become 90% trannies at that point, as opposed to like 30% now.My vote is for Sherma.
>>541303901if they do it I'm unironically going to turn her voice off
>>541304053If she does become playable, her vocalizations will probably be toned down significantly just like Hornet's were. Designing sounds for a boss and a player character are two very different spaces.
>>541303593The Hollow Knight should be the protagonist.
>if they take 7 years again to make the next game I'll be fucking 40 when I play itGrim
Is Grand Mother Silk supposed to be a dick or a victim?
cute!
>>541304234Sprintmaster's panting was pretty annoying
>>541294987>is it just that the ant colony will collapse and that in turn will have effects on the system because they served vital maintenance functions?Her voice helped the ants resist the haunting:>Snail shaman: In youth, her voice united the wild tribes. Gave them the strength to resist the pale monarch's will... longer than most at least.Even now she's helping them resist:>Gilly: The red-shells ... Even haunted, they seem to lose less of themselves… What anchor allows them to retain such strength?Wouldn't be surprised if her singing had other effects on the land. She really is amazing.>The one heart I felt kinda fucked up getting while playing was the NylethWhy? What happens with Nyleth?
cute too!
>>541304020Sherma doesn't make sense at all. He clearly has no ability to fight.
Nyleth feels like something they added last minute so Seth would make sense story-wise.
>>541304623NTA but he is literally just a little kid, and not a god like the Knight.
>>541290738yes, only fromdrones like it and are still around, any person that respects their own time dropped this garbage in act1
>>541304258A victim of no dick
Lace is a magical being completely dependent on Hornet to live. A whole new game focusing on her regaining control of her life after this game is just perfect. She is the ideal protagonist.
>>541304868As opposed to figuratively being a little kid? Yes, I know he's a child.
>>541304730That doesn't make sense, there are always three collectables. Which collectable was cut?
Lace is not preferable to a new oc Something like Tiso. Clearly different potential moveset and potential. Lace is essentially a dark mirror of Hornet and would control the exact same way, using similar abilities. First game was a precise power house character, and now we have a game with an elegant finesse type fighter. Lace will not bring anything to the table, and her personality makes her a better fit for a supporting lead in any case.
>>541305080As opposed to 1000-year-old kids, like all non-HK Vessels.
>>541304623>grows up>loses someone close, goes out seeking revenge>gets chosen by some godlike entity that empowers him for some obscure lore reasonthere are many ways it can work outor alternatively>lace mc>but with a good redesign
>>541305060Presumably Hornet could just give back one or more of the silk hearts to solve the silk dependency issue.
Obviously it's going to be a prequel, the Legend of Gorb the Great Mind.
KEK, Hollow Knight isn't going to pick a super cool dark knight with ebin black armor as their next character; it's very clear that their writing and world building leans more towards femininity and finesse over the years. The entirety of the sub-text in Silksong is women. Lace setup is all about (a young woman) finding her place in the world, everything will be built around it.
>>541305060Sounds creatively bankrupt. A retread of silksong. Where's the innovation, where's the new movesets? The only difference is that you now have a more outspoken and childish mc, which isn't necessarily a good thing. Now you need to make sure the writing is 100% on point, because you want people to like the protagonist.
>>541305503Its a weird fallacy to expect TC to keep building on the themes for silksong for the next game, when the first game was way different, with a silent protagonist and lacking those themes of motherhood, femininity etc. Proponents of Lace mc are essentially asking for Silksong 2.0 with almost zero changes in gameplay compared to the evolution of HK1->Silksong. "Just give me more sloppa, don't change anything, don't take risks, don't introduce new characters"
>>541304623It might be more like Hungry Knight, top-down 2D game.
>>541304623>>5413048687 years from now he won't be a weak child no more
>>541305759First Game => Genderless ChildSecond Game => Female ChildThird Game => Male ChildFourth Game => Herm ChildFifth Game => 243rd Type Mushroom Child
Lace got more fanart in less than a month than Zote did in the entirety of 7 years. I wouldn't put any bead on the guy.
I fucking hate TC so much for pandering this hard to you weeb troons.
>>541305860I just can't see Sherma developing into a warrior. He seems the type to become a spiritual guide for others. I like the lad, but he doesn't have the makings of a fighter.
Hollow Knight 3Pure Vessel city rebuilding simulator (he never fights)
tell me all the places where silk soar is used
>>541306084no, fuck off
>>541305995Strategy game where you defeat your opponents with superior economics
If the HK3 protagonist isn't the Hollow Knight himself, Team Cherry should just retcon Quirrel's death and have him as the next protagonist instead.>b-but that w-would a really big retconHerrah was retconned into being a full Weaver when that clearly wasn't the case in HK before TC started thinking about Silksong, I don't see why they can't retcon something that is way more open to interpretation.
>>541306095no need to be mean :(
>>541306142>>541306010Okay. Compromise solution. You play as adult Sherma trying to help the Pure Vessel rebuild Hallownest.
so much art...
The chinese like to compare Silksong to Utena.
let's be real for a second, the knight and hornet are both iconic designs, like no other.hk3 needs a completely new character
>>541305503>The entirety of the sub-text in Silksong is women.Have you considered that was because this was a story about Hornet? A girl and maternal instincts? Their next game could be about the fucking Hollow Knight and be entirely masculine and paternal revolving around the Pale King and his Vessels and it would be no different from how TC crafted the storytelling in SS.Is this post supposed to be joke or something? Because it's honestly horrible.
>>541306707Lace is fairly iconic already; illustrators and comic artists LOVE her.
>>541306808>Is this post supposed to be joke or something? Because it's honestly horrible.No, it's just that you arguing with yurifags.
>>541306831no, they love the pairing, she's ugly for an mc and has no flowing cape
VERY cute wiphttps://x.com/C_D_Ruri121/status/1973549259913081263
love architect for combat but reaper is still the best for exploringdiagonal pogo is retarded
>>541306942>Trapped in the iron lung foreverImagine how pent up she must be
i'm loving how much she is triggering schizos tbqh; these are the markings of a true iconic character. She absolutely has the markings of the next MC
>>541307352Please consider that there are tons of people that like Lace(and yuri) without having to be annoying about it.
I will never respect any steel run 'till they give us an online mode of it with no alt+f4 cheating.
Yup, I can already see this general is already going to shit.
>>541307358Nice.
>>541307626Just don't close the game unless you're at bench. Problem solved.
>>541307679Yeah, not sure what happened. Suddenly filed with yuri and Lace haters. Maybe 'cause it's the weekend? Or maybe a /v/ HK thread suddenly ended.
>>541307589Yeah it's more the incessant spam than anything else. Also the poorly substantiated theorycrafting regarding HK3.
>>541307953Poor quality posting is met with derision.
Considering the size of nail, needle and scissors, I propose bugs in HK series are mouse-sized. What do you think?
>>541308140Yeah like they can fit in one's hand
shillsong xisters....we lost!
>>541308238Don't you have a Silksong thread on /v/ to spam or something?
Here's some other random thoughts that I haveThe parallax and blur are neat tricks to give the game a cinematic vibe, but I feel the background design often misses the mark to make the world feel big and overwhelming. I feel like HK resolved this well enough in places like city of tears were you have a huge area with both horizontal and vertical travel, so you never quite get the whole picture of the place in one screen, this is something that I feel is missing in silksong, there are some good looking areas but none of them gave me that sense of scale like in hk because everything is layed out to be a videogame corridor or column
now that the dust has settled, we can all agree that Lost Lace finale is not as hyped as THE RADIANCE >awesome Hollow Knight title drop>Pure Vessel actively trying to kill itself whenever it can>git gud>the fucking sun slowly reveal itself to be the radiance>bright ass screen with the word THE RADIANCE, absolute aura farm>999999 dead infants rise up together with you as you climb up to the top to strike the final hit>your big bro tear up the dumb moth face while you whip it with your super void tentacles
>>541308497no, not really. Not everything has to be le epic ying vs yang end of the world fight of the century. I really like that the final boss is a mirror enemy type, instead of some huge ass target spitting bullshit like it usually happens with these games.
>>541308497>>541308756Radiance was cooler, got it.
>>541308497Uhm, not really anyon, Silksong finale being a parallel of the first game was really neat. It also ending in a rescue instead of le ebin grand finale, with a serene moment instead of an explosion, was beautiful. It's better art. Silksong had it's epic already with the 3 remnants of the kingdom.Hollow Knight is not capeshit.
>>541307626The point isn't gamer cred or respect. There is a tiny minority of people who crave challenges like that and they will play it legitimately. You make permadeath modes for them. It doesn't matter if other people beat it by cheating.
>>541308497HK to Radiant just makes sense. The normal boss isn't that difficult but leads to defeating the true foe in a far more climactic fight. It's simple, but it makes sense from both a gameplay, story, and cinimatic sense when you consider HK as a game and story as well as story structure in general.GMS to LL is still cool, but it feels backwards, like a subversion. The giant god you've been seeking isn't really as much of an almighty threat as you would've thought, and the true foe is your rival from earlier but wracked by the Void. It's a neat concept and I feel like TC did it well, but its inherently backwards, and even if you aren't paying attention to that specifically it's the kind of thing that can end up just feeling "wrong" to people.>>541308756>Not everything has to be le epic ying vs yang end of the world fight of the centuryThat is literally what Lost Lace was, both as her role as the final foe in SS that was blocking the way to stopping all of Pharloom from being lost to Void like Hallownest was being lost to Infection, but as well as the similarities between Lace and the HK. The whole thing is a mirror, but the point is that just because something is deep and meaningful doesn't instantly make it feel "right"
>>541285419It's implied that it and the Radiance were once one being that split at some point
>>541278249>so, when does this game start getting hard?With steel soul mode.
>>541309618well, it felt right to me, what I meant to say is that the final boss doesn't need to be a giant creature that takes the whole screen. The final boss being the player's size is more fun gameplay wise
why is she like this?
crazy how as I get older I find myself agreeing with DSP. the courier quest is a waste of time
Anyone got an update on both hk and silksong on steam?
>>541310438>as I get older I find myself agreeing with DSP.This makes me feel unironic dread.
>>541310438Sounds like you're just an idiot and you're slowly starting to realize it. Courier's rasher isn't even that hard.
>>541310736I didn't say it was hard
>>541310790So you're complaining about a four and a half minute jog through Pharloom in a metroidvania game where you'll likely spend at least a quarter of your playtime backtracking anyway? I'm not sure that's any better of a stance to be taking.
Hornet and Sherma’s ship name is SilkSong.
phase 3 LL is beating my ass
Is Silksong Good?
>>541310947four and a half minute of time wasted, yes, why are you defending this?
>>541302042I killed Gurr and haven't fought Karmelita yet, though I did talk to her.
I have faith in team cherry not opting for a simple retread for an eventual third game.
how did hornet control herself with that Lace's bottomI would rape her on the spot while her mother watch
>>541311161Why are you playing a video game then? The whole thing is time wasted.
>>541311349Because everything else besides the courier quest is fun, but the courier quest is locking me from 100%ing the game, which I'm compelled to do except for this one little thing. Why are you acting like this is an unreasonable thing to say, are you a fromdrone?
>>541310197nothing else to do
>>541311106i enjoyed it a lot. i like it better than HK and we haven't even gotten any DLC yet. fuck the hunter's memento though.
>>541311242This. If Lace does become playable, I assume it will be for something smaller like a DLC. She could be fun as bonus content within Silksong itself and her similarity would make sense in that case.
>>541311573So you are an idiot. Well, good luck with that.
>>541311242>retreadMore like rethread haha
>>541303550
>>541311787>emotional response>ad hominemYou subconsciously agree with me, but you push that part of your psyche into your subconscious, but that doesn't work if someone else voices the thoughts that you pushed away, that's why you feel the need to defend this shit. This psychological deadlock is what makes fromdrones insufferable and impossible to reason with, and on a large scale a cancer that kills fun in games.>>541311106I liked it a lot, but it wastes your time way more than HK did but retards refuse to acknowledge it because they have stockholm syndrome with games that waste their time.
>>541312175As Hornet would say: Git gud!
>>541311341She would put her pin in your peehole and laugh at you
>>541312175Anon, don't take his bait so seriously. You're arguing over your own opinion. Just ignore him.
>>541311016 (you)posting about it helped as always
WASTES THE PLAYER'S TIMETASTES THE PLAYER'S WINEPASTES THE LAMER'S TWINE
>>541312461Congrats. But is this it then? Was LL last? Will we not see you post about it any more, Post-About-It Anon?
>>541312431see >>541301936
If you don’t want your time to be “wasted” because you can’t handle the consequences of failure then just stop playing. Fucking zoomers always want things to be smooth sailing, and cry if they have to do a 30 second runback to a boss.
I'm a zoomer and I don't cry if I have to do a 30 seconds run back to a boss
Great game. Will replay it later.>>541312610I will post more when they release "path of pain v2 now with even more pain"
>>541313468But you don't understand, anon, he HAS to do it. The game is literally forcing him to do this optional content.
Day 3 of being stuck on Lost Lace. I don't think I had fun once in Act 3
>>541313468>misrepresentation of argument>arguing in bad faith
>>541314518I'm on Day 2 of LL.I assume you had fun during the Abyss escape.
>>541314534You have no argument. All you’re doing is crying like a little bitch because you can’t handle experiencing setbacks in the game. None of the delivery quests are even required to get to Act 3 and the true ending, so you’re literally crying about an OPTIONAL part of the game being too hard.
>>541314872That was about it I guess. Everything else sucks. The ridiculous tank minions. the void clusterfucks. the needlessly hard bosses. everything is ass compared to the other 2 acts
What other secrets are in here? I got the mask already and met the mask maker bug
>>541315018I don't consider 100% to be optional, and I did not say it was hard.>All you’re doing is crying like a little bitch because you can’t handle experiencing setbacks in the gameThis is projection, which further proves my aforementioned theory >>541312175>You subconsciously agree with me, but you push that part of your psyche into your subconscious, but that doesn't work if someone else voices the thoughts that you pushed away, that's why you feel the need to defend this shit.
>>541315181Yeah, it's rough. You're this close to the end though. Just one more win and you can join the other anons that have completed the game.
>>541315435you need to be in act 3 to explore the rest
>>541315435There's another mask piece there that requires Act 3.There's another bench in the upper right. That area is also used to repair the slingshot for the original form.You can check the interactive map in the OP for all the bits and details.
>>541315435left bench has a hidden room next to it
What's this
It does say something about society that the moment anyone mentions SilkSong wastes the player time, salt flies everywhere.
Fantastic game. Karmelita was a bitch and I am sad to say I had to abuse poison cogfly to beat her. The rest was pretty chill.Reaper crest most of the game, ended up swapping to wanderer for amazing DPS at the end.SHAW/10 experienceKinda wish there was a godhome or boss replay so I can practise, know there's mods for it but it's generally pretty buggy at this point.
>>541315853"Craw Summons". It means the Craw have summoned you. Go to their place and answer the summon if you want (bottom right door inside the arena house). (Kinda recommend, but it's not needed for 100% iirc).
>>541315853Go to Crow House in Greymoor.
>>541315958>Kinda wish there was a godhome or boss replay so I can practiseguaranteed dlc
>100% isn't optional! Backtracking for hours to find mask shards and silk spools is fine, but running for four minutes is just too much!
>>541316237there is a large number of players who can't get through a room without running into an enemy hitbox
>>541316237>Backtracking for hours to find mask shards and silk spools is fineNta, but I certainly did not do this for hours. Just used the tools in the OP
>>541316423Even then, you're spending as much time or more traveling from bellway to shard/spool as you are delivering the rasher, depending on how many you have left. The only difference is that you can't blunder into enemies for the latter. It's the same content, but somehow one is better than the other.
>>541316902I'm the anon you are referencing here, and we argued about the courier quest because that was the post that started the argument, I also think the fast travel was annoying and have argued about it in multiple threads before, so, again, you are the one making assumptions here.
>>541296676>Elden Ring and other single player games kept active generals for years because there are so very many builds you can play and figure out how to design them/erg/ was kept alive for years because of pvp, and currently 95% of posts there are about nightreign, a co-op pve game
>>541301936I keep telling you that HK has always been a woke game for redditors but you refuse to accept it.
>>541316423 (me)>>541317189 (not me)>>541316902>you're spending as much time or more >It's the same content, but somehow one is better than the other.Nah. The rasher is one item. Each mask piece is one item. You can't compare the work for the rasher to the work for every mask piece and spool.That said, I'm not arguing that the rasher mission was a "waste of time". Just that I didn't spend hours getting masks/spools
>>541317189Because you're being an idiot. How is the courier delivery any different from running around normally if you claim it's not hard? Please explain how running from one place to another for four minutes is different from running from one place to another for a minute at a time repeated a large amount over the course of a playthrough. I mean, you seem awfully upset about something that most people do and forget about within 30 minutes of seeing it, seeing as it's "not hard".
that brightvein climb is some bullshit man
How do I explore the slab, there's no entry in it I got the fast travel point unlocked but and I can't find the key for the locked room
>>541317521conservatives are such snowflakes
>>541317793*Laughs in surface climb*>>541317901If you mean the apostate key, that's not 'til Act 2.
>>541318007I'm already on act 2, unlocked the double jump, and I'm only missing the conductor's melody
>>541317642Courier quest is "point A to point B without taking damage" for four minutes. It's dull. Masks and shards fall into exploration, unless you use a guide, which I did not. There is freedom of approach, there is also a component of time being wasted because there are multiple instances of point A to point B rethreading steps from a fast travel point, which equally annoyed me, but I understand as part of the game's design. Courier quest doesn't need to be part of the game design, and what's more, there are more courier quests in SS than there were in HK. Courier quests are antifun, and I feel the need to voice my opinion as TC seems to think otherwise.
courier rasher really mindbroke some people huh
>>541318208>Courier quest is "point A to point B without taking damage"Got it, because it's hard for you to not run into things. Glad we could clear this up, even though it was obvious from the start.
>>541318596this is you
>this is blocked now for absolutely no reasonFucking asshole holy shit
>>541319339it's blocked because they want you to go through the gauntlet again and then explore the rest of the area
>>541319339no avoiding the void gauntlet bro
>>541319339point A to point B with freedom of approach, you are not allowed to complain
>>541318116Do Songclave quest for a missing merchant.
>>541319484>>541319510Yes voided antnigger gauntlets is surely the way to make this game funWhy are australians like this
>>541319863>AIIEEEEEEEE NOOOOO NOT COMBAT, I HATE GAMEPLAY!!!!Lmao just go spend a few hours scrolling on your phone or something
What setup do you guys use with the shaman crest?
The rosary cannon is cool, I just wish it did a bit more damage. An interesting way to do that might be to allow players to choose what type of rosary beads to load, with the bigger ones taking more money from you per shot, but doing more damage.
>>541319339>>541319863Anon! It time for you gauntlet again!>>541320759I've never even tried to use this due to how few rosies I have. Even now, at LL, I don't have enough to buy the hot tub for Hornet's home. I hear they reduced costs in one of the updates though.
I've done as much as I can be arsed doing. I'm at ~93% or so. Ready for it to be over.
>>541321501I'm sad when people ruin their enjoyment of a great game by grinding out a % number that means absolutely nothing.
>>541321709For some reason I lost the will to explore once I got into Act 3. I don't hate it or anything but I sort of got stuck mourning the loss of the Act 2 world. Ruined Pharloom has mixed in with a sad sense of finality that the game is ending. Gone are the days of uncovering new areas of the map, all that is left is destruction, ruin and the end of my journey. I feel like I'm walking through somewhere I used to know but alone this time, everyone else who was there with me before is dead or moved on now.
>>541320605volt is the only correct option
>>541321709HK went over 100% for the optional post game things, I don't see why SS didn't do the same, a lot of what should be optional counts for 100 % now
This game is so full of bullshit
I did Lost Lace in 30 minutes, I think you are just bad at the game>urr hurr FromDronesjust become an architect, the tools without reload already make her low enough for phase 3
>>541322594HK went over 100% for the post release dlc you dolt
This is a pretty dumb though I had, but what came first, the bell furms in Bellheart, or the ones in the coral area? How did the species get in those two places? If the coral ones came first, then maybe they escaped from the memorium. But if it was the Bellheart ones that are the originals, then I have no clue.
I got addicted playing lady bug last round. Does the game actually end at 50? and if so can i play again? Ive just been sitting for the last hour playing throwing darts and making money.
>we get a new hornet x lace fan art literally every hourthis train is never stopping, isnt it
>>541322594>a lot of what should be optional counts for 100 % nowIn SS? What in SS that counts for 100% do you feel should be optional?
>>541323107the courier quest
>>541323191Skull issue, also HK required you to do the fragile flower quest.
>>541322772Nah, I had more fun beating her with Hunter and flea brew for phase 3. May have taken me 2 hours, but afterwards it felt amazing. Plus going back to Lace 2 fight made it feel like I was playing the game in slow motion after all that.
>>541323256>also HK required you to do the fragile flower questthat was shit also
>>541323191The rasher one? All nail upgrades are reasonable for 100%, no?
>>541323020Please. Can i lose the ability to play this game if i go too high like the others?
>>541323020>>541323579I think it only ends when you miss.
>>541318867How do you make a post like this and not feel embarrassed about yourselfAlso are we really at the point where chuds are admitting that trannies game better than them? lol
>>541323806fuck me i went to 57 then lost and he said i cleaned them out. Now i cant play it again. Fuck me.
>>541323910Don't worry, he will get crushed in act 3.
>>541324010No body no death, he'll be back for dlc minigames
>>541323861>How do you make a post like this and not feel embarrassed about yourself I don't care about proving myself through videogames>Also are we really at the point where chuds are admitting that trannies game better than them? lolspeedrunning and transgender are statistically linked, speedrunning=tryhard, tryhard=fromdrone, these things are anti fun
>>541324380It feels great to speedrun Hollow Knight and Silksong, sounds like a massive skill issue. You're just admitting trannies mog you which is very funny.
>>541324518>I'm a fromdrone AND a speedtroonok
fun boss, and easily the best of the three act 2 duels
>>541324626>if you are better at games than me you are a trannylol
we are never beating steel soul
>>541324380what /pol/ does to a man, sad to see
>>541324917Its going to be rough going back to HK, the healing system is dogshit and most of the enemies are boring as hell.
>>541324917in my first playthrough I completely missed this boss and only know it exists because I needed it for pantheon
>>541324917>these are the people who cry about SS difficulty
>>541324872I know what fun is like, I've experienced it. You are like an addict, obsessed with challenge as if adding more is increasingly required to make you feel anything again.
>>541325070silksong is such an improvement in terms of how the game actually feels to play that it's spoiled HK for me, the godhome equivalent is going to be so much more fun when we finally get it
>/v/ calls game journalists shit at video games>game journalists give Silksong great reviews>/v/ complains endlessly about how the game is unfair to the playerI'm noticing...
>>541325323>y-you arent REALLY having fun with Silksong! Its too hard fot that!Team Cherry mindbroke you>>541325360Yeah the movement alone is incredible. Mantling and sprinting and clawlining around feels so good. All the Knight can do is spam dashes. You can tell they really pushed themselves to make the gameplay feel smooth.
>>541325407journalists are people who never played videogames trying to dictate what is fun.fromdrones are people who play too much videogames trying to dictate what is fun.
>>541325750>people who never played video games are better at video games than /v/irginsChecks out.
He's either having a really, really good time or a really bad time.
>>541326196He seems pretty happy. Hope we get to access his mindscape in a DLC boss and get the fucked up lifeblood boss he can percieve.
>>541325185it's a 15 hour game nigga sybau we're all allowed to slip upI beat LL on SS first try I already know i'm harder than u
>>541326383I was tempted to stick him with the plasmium phial when he was stood there breathing heavily but thought better of it.
>>541326412Sure you did, we all believe you.
I beat Silksong with a hangnail on my left thumb, I'm the toughest bravest gamer here.
what's the most fun crest and why is it witch
>>541327192That shit goes crazy with the sawblade cloak thing, your parries become a whirling deathblade. I'll have to use it more next playthrough, 4 blues with Vesticrest sounds like sex.
>>541327040Oh yeah, well I beat it with a tummy ache. Top that.
>>541323098>two slim cute lesbiansIt's gonna take a while. I wonder how's the situation over on Hades 2, I bet worse.
>>541327040I had a cold
>>541327192What's so fun about it?
>>541322907Maybe they had a common ancestor
>>541326536I think I remember trying it and nothing happening
>>722341361
>>541329243strong pogo (fairly easy to land, gives a lot of invincibility when landing it), technically the highest damage charged attack, fast multihit dash attack that's easy to weave into other attacks, 4 blue tool slots including vesticrest, the healing gimmick makes you do even more damage and encourages more engaging plays than just running into the corner of the arena since you need to find ways to both be near an enemy and be safe to use it. The healing docks it points in usefulness but gains it points in fun since it's super entertaining to play around once you get used to it
>>541329254Could be. Something I thought was that maybe Bellheart was part of the coral kingdom before it fell, so the area also had coral in it, then the citadel comes, fills the place with bells and they adapt to it.
>>541330062>technically the highest damage charged attacknta but the charged attack in this game bothers me, is there any instance where you want to use it? I mean, most of the time you would prefer to spam normals to build silk, and if you have enough silk you would be spamming silk arts or healing instead of wasting time charging, possibly exposing yourself to damage, and once you've used your silk arts you'd be back to building silk. The only time you realistically would be using charged attack in combat is with architect because you have no silk arts to use there
>>541330485it's just a matter of playstyle preference, not everyone spammed spells in HK despite it obviously being optimal, there's also a tool that reduces the charge time like in HK
the most fun crest is Architect but instead of doing any sort of needle attack you equip GUN (3 hits), inject yourself with LifeBlood/Plasmesiausuasu/Chronos, equip flea juice and pretend it as "re-positioning tool"get that Moss blue charm to tank hit to recover silknow you are a soldier, now you are an instrument of modern warfare, the weaver of doom
So if the muckmaggots eat the silk out of bugs, couldn't the haunting be solved by just dipping all the bugs into muckmaggot water?
>>541333039Then you have super-powered muckmaggots
>>541333256Then we just toss some voltvessels into the water and that problem is solved too.
Grand Maggots...
>>541333039Are the stilkin haunted? If so, then maybe not.Also, the silk is in the air too (>>541250159), so once they come out the water, they'd have it again.
>>541333724It would at the very least buy them time to get out of Pharloom. Then again they would probably just come back eventually, since they're all drawn to the Citadel for whatever reason.
I was so mad at my performance against the lava beast fly that i insta alt f4ed so i can beat it again. (18 deaths)
>>541305060Should just have a new game++ as Lace powered down after her LL experience. Use some explanation like her silk is now frayed so she can experience the world in a deeper way that GMS never intended her to. She would have to scamper around absorbing silk dregs that are still imprinted with the souls and memories of the bugs they were in, learn to empathize with traumatized pilgrims and do a bunch of dream boss fights. She would pull off cheatsy memory bullshit and pull dead ecosystems back into reality, ascend as Pharloom’s new sovereign and finally become a real boy.
>>541331478The railgun silkshot is so fucking cool. Wish there was a way to swap between all three though.
>>541330062You reminded me that I need to try the multibinder mirrors witch build
>>541333039Theoretically they should instakill Lace but GMS can probably outheal the damage with her silk if she could hold off the abyss for that long.
Guys question. In the Lava beast fly fight i noticed when i triple bounced off of enemies a giant rock that looked hitable. Am i crazy or is it hittable?
>>541339074I know that it is during the fourth chorus fight and will end it immediately once you hit both glowing points. Not sure it would even do anything during this fight. Mind uploading your save so I can try it out?
>>541339074During Fourth Chorus' second phase air vents appear on the sides, if you ride them up and drop the rock on the boss it dies. I don't think it does anything to the Savage Beastfly.
>>541339438ok i alt f4ed again after i beat it and its still alive. Now how do i upload my save. Is there a folder you want or somin somin
>>541339859AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight Silksong\20349187\user#.dat# will just whichever slot you saved to, starting at 1
>>541282406Somehow i did not fight her
>Zaza sings for the needolinSo Garmond was essentially just riding another person who chooses not to speak?
>>541340063You have to if you want to beat the game.
>>541340061https://filebin.net/bnsbgmw8osm1ux90didnt know which one you wanted so i did all 3
>>541294983this game is impossible for me without brakes. I need to sleep on a battle to absorb the muscle memory
>>541340703I mean its a strange world. The HK stags could speak too.
>>541340731Just the middle one would have worked. Didn't realize you don't have double jump so I'll have to work on getting that first, since I don't think it's possible to reach without it.
>>541305557Would be the first game where the MC does something for their own gain , instead of an ancient duty
>>541341110its fresh act 2. Basically
>>541339661>>541339074It does in fact damage SB but I dont know how much.
allright gamerswhat game should I play to improve my reaction times?
>>541341785Loddies dart game
>>541341785Sekiro or Bloodborne.
>>541342401anything non fromsoft?
>>541340703The line between sentient being and wild animals is quite blurred in the HK world
>>541342651Nine SolsNinja Gaiden BlackEinhanderHotline Miami
>>541322768What's the context for your whining anon
>>541327192I'm having plenty of fun with laser shot on RB via architect, just wish it fired a bit quicker but I guess then it would be rather OP
These homing fire is getting to my head FUCK
>>541343613Magma Bell my beloved
>>541343728What tool is that
>>541343924Reduced fire damage, you get it from Forge Daughter in Deep Docks.
>>541340726I wen to act 3 and saved nigg lace and i have no memory of fighting map mantis. I also did her wish with her dead master
>>541344029Shit I ran out of those rock resource
>>541343202thanks will look into them
>>541344117she sets up her ring on a stick in the moorwing arena after the fleas are gone and her quest is finished
>>541344117you have to fight her for the hunter journal, that's all, there is no reward, it doesn't count for 100% or anything else
I'm tempted to just use the wanderer for this horsehit
Guys as long as im in act 2 i cannot miss stuff right? Is there a list somewhere of stuff you can miss and should do pronto?
>>541343501in terms of burst damage I kind of prefer the snare desu, either way big attacks like that need some charge up to balance them
>>541344660you can only missshakra fightgarmond and zaza fight, this you can miss even in act 2and twisted child ending
>spent 100 hours slowly playing an dying to bosses >should not have spent such time, i have shit to do>at leas it's over now>i want to star all over
>>541344660To be honest, worrying that I was missing stuff really stifled my enjoyment of the game. I would say just play it as you've been playing it up til now. If there's stuff in your inventory that you wonder why its there, keep it in your mind, keep wondering, and keep wandering. You'll hear people talking about Act 3 and various endings and percentages or whatever but really just play the game. At the end of the day you can always look shit up after online or start a new save.
I couldn't kill this thing at all. I skipped it with the fleas and then when it showed up again i had to cheese it by hiding at the steps to the right to avoid his bullshit blades. I suck at this game
>>541345230I've had no bother learning any of the bosses in the game but yeah I did the same as you for Moorwing, cheesed him on the platforms at the right of the arena, only popping out to pogo then returning to safety. I don't regret it.
>>541345230stay right underneath it, sticking upwards, there is a sweetspot where it doesn't get you when he does its melee, and generally you have enough time to react to the sawblades
>>541345541striking*
>>541345230You stay close and bait his slashes, he's honestly not that bad. Just pogo when he dives and focus on dodging during the projectiles.
>>541345945I am retarded, his projectiles fucked me
>>541346184You can do it! They have a tricky arc but its all about reacting in time.
>>541346184it took me 3 tries really easy fight. I advise you refuse to cheese stuff to get better
>>541346363It's over now
>>541344590I did it with reaper and the drills.
>>541344590I hate this
>>541341340So it flashed like it did some damage, but didn't kill it. So it's possible to hit the rock off, but not really worth it.
>>541345945You can also just dash under him when attacks with either the dash or saw.
>>541344590The tracking is bullshit holy fuck
>>541345009>should not have spent such timeIf you enjoyed it it's not wasted time.
Looked into it, i'm glad that the VA for hornet is not ugly. Not pretty but that's enough for me>>541348165I got shit to do.
>>541348126Pogo whichever lantern you're targeting for 2 hits max then move to a new lantern on the other side, giving you more time + distance from the sprites. If you try to do more than 2 hits on a single lantern you'll be swamped. Same story if you try to do lanterns next to one another. Mix it up.
>>541348376I got the hang of the first phase, but that aoe fire is so unpredictable it wipes me
>>541347157I reloaded the save to try again with a health bar mod, but the rock was gone so I'm guessing it's a one time spawn. Shame, because I don't feel like going through all of that again just to see what number pops up.
>Curse cocoon hurts enemies when you break itThat's neat.
Is the fire buff or dog water better for wanderer?
>>541349221I'd say fire buff since it's already fast enough.
>>541349026Did you mod in health bars
>>541349026you can also throw your flea bottle away like dracula when its empty and it deals some minor damage
>>541349306Yeah>>541349351Knew you could throw it, didn't know it actually did something. Should have expected it to considering the attention to detail in this game.
>>541349221definitely fire buff, it gives +50% dmgWhy would you ever pick more speed on the speediest attack
>>541348535You can also just spam volt vessels
>>541349221fire buff lasts 8 seconds, giving +50% dps and if you hit a target 3 times it adds +4 dps burning for 3 seconds (doesn't stack, but refreshes duration, but flintslate duration is so short you'll probably get ~20-28 damage max from it)flea brew lasts 10 seconds, giving +35% attack speed and +30% movespeed so its +35% dps, +35% clash frame coverage, +35% silk regainedFlea brew is way better for most normal usages, flintslate might be okay for zerging down a low hp boss in one go if you don't care about mitigating/healing damage
>>541349639>Why would you ever pick more speed on the speediest attackSpeediester attacks
>>541349885I can't physically click the button fast enough to even take advantage of the speedupand even if I could, that takes so much of my attention I struggle to dodge
I never used a single Flea Brew or Phasmium because I hate items that need replenished at some specific location (other than a bench).
>>541350338>plasmiumanon you need to finish your questlines
>>541315853Jury Duty
>>541350338>He didn't finish the Plasmium questline
>>541349735Hm, this tells me I should try Beast bind + flea brew instead of bind + flintslate
>>541350838not as goodits +15% to hunter/witch, +25% to beast/arch, +35% to wander/reaper
>accidentally discover bilewaterThis is the secret passage to the Citadel isn't it? Too bad I (almost) already cleared it.>also finally manage to get double jump>now every time I go to press jump again to glide I jump up>every passage with spikes on top is now assured death just due to muscle memory
How to separate keybind for upper and lower tools? its fucked up that 3 outputs share the same keybind
>>541351070I'm thinking of the extra silk generation to cast bind again and again, and also because Beast bind gives a flat modifier to damage.
I've said something like this before but the thing about tools is that they are too much of a cheese, like, I get it, anons say that people complaining about difficulty are neglecting tools or some other mechanic, but I don't want to use tool because I already know I can win with them, I already know how to cheese the fight, the fact that the game gives you a cheese button doesn't make it not feel like cheese, I want to learn the fight until I can beat it nail only, and things like the runback, the 2 mask damage, the pre boss gauntlet, all of those things are annoying and waste time, I'm sorry, no amount of git gud is going to change my mind on this, furthermore, if you analyze this coldly, I'm pinpointing the things that get in the way of actually getting good. The game has too much bullshit design wise, and this is not to hate, I keep playing because I still like it despite all the annoying things, this is criticism and not an attack on anyone's identity.
>>541352206Controller:https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/165KB:https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/174
