We're all gonna make it edition>Demo DaysNext: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-65Previous: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-64Older: https://hackmd.io/LhEB6VCZSx-oBalI2cWWoA>AGDG resourceshttps://hackmd.io/dLaaFCjDSveKVeEzqomBJw>Helpful linksNew Threads: >>>/vg/agdgArchive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg//agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/Steam Games by AGDG: https://agdg-steam.netlify.app/>How to WebMhttps://obsproject.comhttps://github.com/argorar/WebMConverterhttps://github.com/michaelmob/WebMCam>Previous thread>>541124527
>peritroon threadReminder that shodanon and his cronies will literally dox you if you so much as post a single meme in his discord
>>541226060Unfathomably based
yeah you shoulda just made a more generic thread instead of forcing this left vs right dichotomyi will not be creating a 4th thread albeit
Fygoon melting down trying to pin a very clear Genokids thread as a stealth /v/3 thread made me laugh. Honestly the whole fygoon and Genokids saga is hilarious because it's entirely one sided on his part.
>>541226183I did it for the lulz kek.>>541226467See?
>>541226060doxxing furfags is good thoughbeit
>>541226589alright then man im going to go post in the fygoon thread see ya later
>>541226589>>>/v/722258184
I feel like the anon complaining about Shodan is the same anon who complains every time a yesdev releases a game. Always the same lengthy posts and similar accusations of devs gangstalking
>>541226607Next it will be you.
>>541227119>the same anon who complains every time a yesdev releases a gameI only have one suspect.
>>541225682Here we go:Chad & StacyRPG Maker Game about attractive White couple living under hostile jewish rule.https://sunwheel-rising-sun.itch.io/chad-stacyhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/Noop1jPcCJjmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkIP9-K-aTE [Embed]
/agdg/ isn't crabs in the bucket, its a bucket of crabs slowly being lowered into a furnace while a pool of crabs (the discord) sit and watch you all being boiled alive, you aren't even trying to escape, you want to be boiled alive dont ya, crabby?
>>541226607I wouldn't have agreed with you, but after Charlie Kirk.
>>541226183what do you mean left vs right? Aren't most games in OP more or less from agdg? Why is it controversal?
>>541230551schizos vs the inner circle
>>541231024I'm starting my own band, it'll be called the outer triangle
>the jannies still haven't noticed the two threadsmaybe if we make even more threads they will finally wake up>>541232480>>541232480>>541232480
>>541232541they can delete the dragonfag thread for all I care and ban him too for good measure
My silly little flashlight is taking a bit longer than expected, but it'll all be worth it. There's damped tracking and rotation on it in addition to object avoidance. Right now I'm just trying to get the final piece of the puzzle which is making its entrance and exit (turn on/off) look snazzy.
Fuck this, if I'm ever gonna make something it's gonna be a Half-Life 2 miseryfest mod.
>>541233927looking nice, I have to give your demo a spin. Are you going to update soon or should I play the latest DD build?
>>541233927The first animation in the first few seconds feels too sudden to me.
>>541226060There was literally no drama in this general until you came along fagtroon
I just watched pekora playing megabonk. Do normalfags really find this fun
>>541226060>samefags get the bulletdare I say, based>samefag is a furfagscore multiplier, giga based
>>541235261>>541234576Oh Shodaaanoooon!
Fygoon aggy slide thread has been prunedFinally, jannies earned their salary
>>541234271I've only been updating for DD's and then taking it down (hiding it or whatever) off Itchio after. Should I leave it up and update more frequently? I guess there's no harm and that; it's just been in an embarrassingly rough state. I think it'll finally start to feel alright come this DD65.>>541234424Oh yeah. This in VFXGraph and I'm just sliding it by hand. I'll be lerping the values in script soon and will post what it looks like when I find a curve and timing that feels nice.
>>541226467Everything is one sided on his part. Look at the shit with grassfag. Dude showed up called him out for being shitty, backed it up, and bounced. Fygoon is still obsessed and crying over him like a year later.
>>541235261there is nothing wrong with liking anthro girls
What do you guys think? And yes the background is 2d.
>>541237835Blurry robots.
>>541235063Ah ha! Now I have a better idea of how the new flashlight will look like, looks good!
>>541235368Come on baby, call me shodanon, call me a yeasdev, ooh, tell me I have 1000+ reviews on steam, I love it baby!>>541235852>'goon not banned>lizard thread still upnot good enough
diddy ahh fygooner crashing out again lmao
>>541237954meant for >>541233927lol
>>541237372why iher fur melting? And why does she have a transparent cock on her left leg?
>>541235852that was me and i did it to bring it to their attention that the fygoon thread was upbut of course they deleted it and didn't touch the fygoon onetotal facepalm moment
>>541238246she's having a meltie over peripeteia idk
>>541237372nortubel pls...
>>541235852>>541238250Someone made a thread about my game?
>>541237372This.
Disgusting furfags
furry games sell. Pokemon, Regalregalia, etc.... etc...... .
>>541236349Don't hide it, there were 85 games on last DD, there are no people that can play all of them and give reasonable feedback in 3 days that DD is live. I'm still going through DD games and giving feedback, although not always on time and not always on itch.
>>541240187heartbound...
>>541226060furfags and trannies need to be evaporated for this world to prosper
>>541230551>dirkDD65 status?
>>541237372>>541239335>>541239996>>541240187kill yourself furfaggot
>>541225682Wishlists are not power
>>541241105I'm planning on adding full combat intro followed by light escaperoomesque level. I'll try to incorporate slight tutorializing in it that should feel natural. I think it should have at least 5 minutes of new gameplay.
>541242104>another post showing a game that was released one hour ago implying it's doing badly
>>541242104Game looks well made but kinda cringe honestly. Like all the things bad about anime (and I love anime) rolled into one
any mathbros can help me out? I'm making a character controller and I want to try a specific momentum interaction:Right now, if the player is sent forward faster than their top speed, if they hold nothing on their analog, they will deccelerate towards 0, and if they hold forward, they will deccelerate towards their top speed using their acceleration speed. I want for it to have an interaction where, if the player holds forward while above their top speed, the controller deccelerates very slowly, as their character attempts to retain their momentum (and if they hold back, they deccelerate faster). Anyone have an example on how to achieve this?
>>541237954>>541238076Thank you. I got things almost where I want them right now but gotta' take a break from devving for now.>>541240332I see. I have reopened the Itchio page. I'll only update it every DD for now, though, since I tend to a decent amount of bug fixing and testing out of the build before updates and that can take some time.
>>541236349what is the game about and what kind of game is it?
FYI, if you're not making a game with cute kemonos (both men and women), you're NGMI
Why are you posting your 3d models in /int/, cris?
>>541244474The game is about a journey underground through previous generations of mankind that had been built atop each other. In present day, when reaching adulthood, people are given the option to be given a Tamabuki (gun with tamagotchi inside) to take with them deep underground to where the Tamabuki can have its full potential unlocked. Most people aboveground live an easy and carefree life because of this power granting almost anything one could ask for, but the journey underground results in the death of those who take the path far more often than not.^This the basic plot summary. The MC is obviously trying to get said power. There's a lot more to the world though than just what I'm giving here.The game is meant to be a survival horror kind of game similar to Resident Evil, but I think my design propensity has changed it into a more cutesy survival horror than I expected. The twist to all this, of course, is you're taking care of a virtual pet that gives you access to different abilities based on how you raise it and what it evolves into. You'll also die if it starves to death (right now it's instant death, but maybe I'll make it ticking damage in the future).
>>541243848
>>541245106I've been posting for a decade on that board.
>>541245134>you're taking care of a virtual pet that gives you access to different abilities based on how you raise it and what it evolves intopretty cool idea
I've won chuds.
>>541245182nigga.
>>541245106cris is american?
>>541245628vpn>>541245197not the board to post 3d models
>>541245465
>>541244379
>>541246004half the threads are offtopic shit about women and if they would fuck black or brown or white males.
Trying to fix my proc gen. I've got some holes in the mountains that are never accessible. I'm trying to think of ways that I can efficiently plug them up. Anyone got some basic high level ideas?
>>541246769i cant tell whats supposed to be a mountain
>>541243848your sentence structure is so shit I can barely understand what you want
>>541245597
>>541247236gamedev isn't supposed to cost money
>>541246360:D>>541247236Good luck, anon. I'm selling my *mind* to the corpos soon for gamedev money.>>541247427But gamedev requires shelter, food, water, etc. and that all costs money.
>>541247236let's see that potential, what do you look like ?
>>541246769Pathfind to somewhere you know should be reachable and if it isnt then plug it up, is a pretty common but dirty fix
>>541246769>efficiently plug them upwhat about not generating anything inside mountains?
>>541247236La finita
>>541249616what the FUCK did you do to my Anubis wife you motherfucka you youuu how dare you
So I'm going to let the player soft swap between <three> weapons in the equipped slots (including the current weapon). It'll swap to unarmed only if there are no additional weapons in the equipped slots.So if you have another weapon in the equipped slots, it'll swap between that weapon and the current weapon, and ignore the empty (unarmed slot)
>>541249937ok
black girl modelled.
>>541243848https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/math/vector_math.html#dot-producttheres this math concept called a dot productif you have a unit vector (vector of length 1) in a specific direction (for example wishDirection), and take the dot product of another arbitrary vector by the dot product, it will return the length of that arbitrary vector along your unit vectorin other words, you can use 2 dot products to "Decompose" your velocity into 2 components: forward and sideways speed.once you have them separated, you can perform logic on the 2 components separately. for example, you could>move_toward your forwardspeed to maxSpeed, but provide a different delta depending on if forwardSpeed is greater or less than maxSpeed>move_toward your sideSpeed to zerothe next step is "composing" a vector from your 2 speeds to get final velocity, to do that you>get forwardVector by multiplying forwardSpeed by wishDirection>get sideVector by multiplying sideSpeed by sideDirection>add together forwardVector and sideVectornote that a vector of length zero in a dot product will result in divide by zero errors! so you probably want a special case when wishDirection is zero.
>>541250459yep, undoubtedly black. without questionit's not the color of your skin after all, it's the seed of your father that matters
>>541250540>if you have a unit vector (vector of length 1) in a specific direction (for example wishDirection), and take the dot product of another arbitrary vector by the dot product, it will return the length of that arbitrary vector along your unit vectorsorry i meant>if you have a unit vector (vector of length 1) in a specific direction (for example wishDirection), and take the dot product of the unit vector and the arbitrary vector, it will return the length of that arbitrary vector along your unit vector
>>541246769if you don't mind fucking up the borders a bit a few passes of a basic CA should get rid of smallish holesor you could do flood fills per cell and regenerate if the flooded area counts less than X tiles, it's only linear time
Why is the previous thread empty?
>>541253869everyone got banned
>>541253869
I really hope I get to post 'it works!' tonight
we got those blood
>>541254789why would anyone play this over hotline miami 2
>>541254835healthy red-flavored noms
>>541254989>noms
>>541254789>>541254989Lookin' good Jennyanon.>>541254835People would play this if they liked Hotline Miami 2. What are you talking about? It's a two cakes situation. Don't be a crab, anon. Post your game and join the server and we can all be friends together :)
>the pizza is here
>>541254789>>541254989Some people have asked; Is Jenny canon to the Tamabuki Cinematic Universe?Well... I would say, "see for yourself."
>>541255590post pizza?
I've been coming to these threads off and on for about 7 years and I still dont know what you faggots who constantly bring up namefags are talking about. the namefaggot names have changed, but the nonsequiter nonsense chatter stays the same. its as if you fucking useless homos are having a conversation in another thread on another forum and some of it spills over into here without context
>>541255683the greedy beast knows no canon limits
>>541257834so true xister
Starting to think I should make my own koikatsu anime girl low poly generator.
>>541258415You shouldn't. This looks awful.
>>541258415You should. This looks amazing.
Question: Where could I publish my video game? Itch.io?It's a 2d pixel art loli guro game.
>>541259396steam
>>541259670I don't have money.
>>541258415Consider postponing that decision. I don't have an opinion about how this looks.
>>541254789I was looking for you.Remember the vsync change? I tried the new version at SAGE and it works SO much better.It's still laggy in the game over scenes, but now I'm actually able to play it.
>>541257834If you've been here 7 years how do you not know who Cris is? If you've been here recently you should know Fygoon's the latest plague
>>541260193Glad to hear that, I also got some big gains by rewriting projectiles and trails, now let's just hope I don't ruin it again.
>>541249616holy fucking shit if you can draw like that then why the fuck aren't you making a hit game right fucking now??
>>541254789people were fucking pissed off about this on SAGE
>>541257834fr fr. low key im not sure who any of these fags are either.on god imma finna learn. imma finna learn.
I can't lock in.
>>541267336i look like this(real)
>>541255683> you can pick it up and play simplified 1D version of it on tamagochi screennow that's kino>>541258076are those bullet flashes really that important? I think they're pretty distracting. Kino face reaction though
>>541267783no you don't stop lying!!
Hey, /adgd/. I got not to long ago RPG Maker XP, RPG Maker VX Ace, RPG World - Action RPG maker, and RPG Paper Maker, and thought about actually making a game with any of these.However, besides some basic terminology and logic gates, i have no idea how to code.>Which engine of these would you recommend (if all of them are shit, whats the specialty and notable issues of each?>Where should i start?>Should i learn how yo make my own assets too (sound, music, models)?>Can i actually use any of these to make shit that isn't fantasy?>What would i need if i wanted to upload them for free on steam?
>>541269328pong, now
you don't actually need to work moreyou just need to work betteryou need to improve your efficiency
>>541267783any gook with a wig and a mascara looks like that
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP
i give up
>>541272843Do you feel like you wonned?
>>541272843do it cris, the uncanny feeling might be the selling point
>gay lizard guy is shitting up another /v/ indie thread
>>541273371link
>>541273524it's the genokids thread>>>/v/722280664
>>541272843cris CHAD
>>541272843>[existing game, but worse]
>>541273703kekw
never give up xisters
>>541275661yes, goving up isn't an optionsome people should though
>>541275661How many years of work was this? The Steam page was created 5 years ago, so I assume that plus a year or two? Yesterday, I had guessed it would stall before 200 reviews, but based on CCU and play times, I might struggle to even pass 100 reviews within the first month. We'll see if it can hit some new CCU peaks over the weekend, but if not, that puts it in the <$100k gross revenue range. I assume this dev wasn't working full time at least, right?
>>541273371Success breeds jealousy.
>>5412764977 years for 20 reviews
how hard is it to make it really? (i.e. make enough to not have to work so you can just make game full time)
Godot sisters keep winning.
>>541277152troon-coded
>>541277152>no gameplay
>>541276997Indie solo gamedev is one of the hardest things you can be doing in life. It takes a certain kind of person to make it. You need both high IQ and high EQ, which is hard to come by. You don't need to be a genius savant, but you need to be smart enough to learn things on your own very quickly, as there is a metric fuckton that you'll need to learn. If you're that kind of person, all you need is hard work, dedication, and enough financial runway to buffer you during that time. Depending on your starting skill set, it'll take at least 2-5 years, sometimes longer.
>>541277394>EQmade up nonsense for women to cope with their lack of actual intelligence
>>541275661This is why I not longer want to make games.What's the point of making something for 7 years only for it to be nothing in the end.
>>541277443Sure, it's made up as a metric, but the idea behind it is real, same as IQ. One of the most important skills any creative needs if they want to make it (i.e. actually be financially successful) is empathy.
>>541277648wrong
>>541243759>Game looksPlay the demo. Think for yourself.
>>541277823
>>541277827Books are judged by their covers.
>>541277827Nah I'm good
>>541276497>>541277484You two can not make games. They can.
>>541278007>>541278036Then do not judge.
>>541276997pretty damn hard. i think its something like half of all games released to steam never earn more than a couple grand.not a couple grand per year, but for the entire time its available to buy on steam.plus side is that a lot of things with gamedev are compounding. you'll have more experience as you progress, you can reuse a ton of stuff for future games which will save time, if you want to start a kickstarter or some sort of community you'll have previous games to seem more reliable, etcanother thing is that most devs/studios on steam have only ever released one game. that means most new indie releases are likely someones first official game. so as you improve, build your skillset, and hopefully get noticed by some people, your actual competition pool will start to shrink.that said, its still not something easy and you still might not actually make it. just saying its one of those things that does get easier over time.
creature stage is the spore stage with the most potentialit's a third person action game, and features mechanics many players are already familiar with>hunger + food system>gathering and hunting mechanics>simple dps check combatit also contains a lot of unique gameplay elements!>a short lifecycle that repeats when you successfully breed>evolution mechanic when you breed (could cut creature creator for scope and replace with something else cool but cheaper)>nests of your species for mating>nests of other friendly species that have some form of mutualism>nests of predator/prey speciesi think there's a game in here somewhere. i hope this message inspired you to ideasguy a little bit instead of making a balatro but with dice
>>541278047>>541278169relax
>>541278169No. I watched the trailer which should give a good idea of what your game is like. From a technical perspective the game looks well made but from a taste perspective like aesthetics, characters, premise, story, it all looks like middle school anime. So no thanks. I've got a game to dev and I'm skipping games I actually want to play already
Now you can only buy single use dice. This is going to need a lot of play testing, but it feels more interesting for sure.
>early accessLmao complete retards
i think genokids is cool
>>541278615Early access is the new normal. Go with the times gramps.
>>541276831nigga is jealous of peripeteia, genokids and probably any other indie game with anime easthethics as well, how much hate there is in that mutt baby?
>>541279270he's jealous of every game that looks better than his, meaning he's jealous of most games
I'm not Fygoon though. I hate Periepeteia for different reasons.
>>541225682>We're all gonna make italmost none of us are gonna make it.zyzz tried to sell me the same shit with the gym, but neither of us made it.the only winning move is to give up.
>>541279951
>>541279951>I'm not Fygoonthat's what everyone i accuse of being fygoon says. how convenient for all of you to have come up with the same lie.
>>541280235You sound delusional
financial pressure will remove all joy and whimsy from your soulit is a shame what our fallen species has become
https://files.catbox.moe/07ojmu.mp4here's my progress for today. i made a menu
>>541281059holy kino
>>541278576>Trip>20 dice fall out of pockets>Roll a 77>Instantly die
>>541281059Bretty good, is it a resident evil esque game?
Surely everyone is using AI to make sound effects now r-right?I mean I'm trying to find free sounds for most things but we can't be makin all them sounds that's so much sometimes a nigga need a lil AI..
>>541282284>posting about using AI in a troon threadThey'll call you Hitler and harass you until the end of times.Anyway, use AI however you want. Ultimately it doesn't matter.
>>541282223no, hunting game. you shoot animals, fish, and protect yourself. ruby ridge
I'm making joybaiting funslop
>>541282530I don't think it fits but maybe your vision is better than my imagination
>>541275661lowkey looked better before
Okay. Done devving for the night. Flashlight turned out nicely and I am checking that off the list for DD65 (will still update in the future but I think it's fine where it is for now).
>>541282914It fits, don't worry. you will feel disconnected
>>541282974I can think of two things that could be done differently but first webm is just worse in all ways
>>541281059That's nice bro
https://youtu.be/fppwfilXi5w
>>541242104Give it 7 days.
>>541277648unironically red goats are correct, green are low-T cucks, those in the middle are effortcopers.
progress
Just popping in to say I made it and nothing changed
>>541284906You didn't make it.
>>541284960The Peripeteia dev harassing devs once again...
>>541285119You'd be harassing other devs too if you had actually made it.
>>541285994How would you know? The weak should fear the strong.
>>541286145I know because I spoke to them. They aren't dicks like you, Shodanon.
When did the peridev be a dick to someone? Post proof?
>deflecting immediately and talking about yourself in third personKill yourself shodanon
>>541286207I spoke to your mom and she said you have to finish your homework before you get any more computer time.
Woah schizo ass nigga
>have a weird error due to accessing a destroyed object but only in a very specific condition>can't figure out why it's doing that>add public bool destroyed; to obj that'll be destroyed>add obj.destroyed = true; before destroying the object>add if (destroyed) return; before executing the offending codeIt just works.
And I ain't shodanon NYUGGUH
>>541286986probably destroying it on the same frame as the other thing accesses ityour bool is meaningless if you're actually meaning to say that you set it to true then destroy the object the bool is on.maybe it just takes it as a null check for the object.
>gacha troons and /vt/ranniesYeah makes sense for a thread with Peripetually in Early Access in the OP.
didnt ask
Success breeds jealousy.
With the downfall of Genokids, we need a new game to flock to. Who has the closest release day?
>>541287383You're right, it can be simplified to just>if (obj == null) return;right before the error, no need for that extra bool, thanks.This part of code specifically is some heavy old spaghetti, I don't have it in me to untangle it.
>>541277152aggy-coded kino!
>>541288198
>>541287787whys she so smug
I watched a few episodes of Bocchi The Rock to see why she's>literally mefor so many people, and so far I'm not impressed.The show itself is fine and Goto herself is a likeable character, but my opinion of people who identify with her has lowered significantly.Bocchi is a friendless loser who mastered her craft in order to get friends...What I'm trying to say is there's too many Bocchi posters and not enough good games or even progress in these threads to justify all the Bocchi avatar fagging. You should bocchimaxx and become more afraid of speaking and gamedev more instead.
>>541290002its sad to see what happened with it honestlyits a nice wholesome slice of life show, yet the fanbase is infiltrated by coombrained troon pedos who think they are literally anime girls and spam yuri of the show everywhere
>>541290002I'm more of a Nijika IRL, but bocchi images are much more abundant and accessible.
>>541290002>You should bocchimaxxalready took my estrogen today sis
>>541290002I'm too shy to post my game
It's too quiet...
>>541292613Isn't this what you wanted? Silence is a sign that progress is being made. Would you rather start another debate about AI generated voice acting or what "good game" means?
>>541290002Over the years I've been psyopped into watching Lucky Star and My Little Pony due to people spamming images on 4chan and it correctly calibrated my expectations for people's taste here being absolute shit.
Health issues popping up again.I'll probably die before I finish my gameoofThat's what I get for procrastinating too much.
>>541293414timotei
>https://unity.com/security/sept-2025-01/remediation>A critical security vulnerability has been identified affecting games and applications built with Unity 2017.1 and later for Android, Windows, and macOS. This vulnerability may allow malicious actors with local access to execute arbitrary code within your application’s context, potentially leading to data exposure or privilege escalation.>This vulnerability originates from command-line arguments that allow Unity applications to load and execute arbitrary code. The impact of this vulnerability varies across host platforms. To understand how the vulnerability affects your target platforms, refer to Platform-specific technical notes.>Important: If your project was built with any Unity version from 2017 up to today’s patched releases, it may be affected. All developers with affected projects must take action.
>>541293414>watched mlp because people spammed it on 4chandamn thats some impressive retardation, didnt you notice that everyone hates those freaks and they got banished to their own board which later got nuked?
>>541293998>malicious actors with local accesshuh? couldnt they already do whatever they want anyway or does this mean something other than what it sounds like
>>541294142>With a registered URL scheme, an attacker running code at a lower integrity level (such as from a sandboxed or less-privileged process) could exploit this Unity vulnerability to launch your app and inject a DLL, causing your application to run attacker-supplied code with higher privileges than would otherwise be possible.
>>541293998>If your project was built with any Unity version from 2017 up to today’snever update chads win yet again
Woke up with a headache. Fuck.>>541293787What kinda issues?
>>541277152>wishlist on steam>no gameplay loopWhat? Is this really the standard now? You can submit a game without gameplay to steam for wishlists?
>>541294664walking sim
Should I use my personal steam account as developer account for my games or should I just create new account for my "game studio"?
>>541295017make a new one
>>541295017It doesn't matter.
>>541295017you know no one will play your game if you are having to ask this question
I'm getting big bag under my eyes. Love this hobby.
>>541295356Wait until you have bags on your bags.
>>541295356What are you working on? Obviously, your game, but are you doing art? Music? Programming? Planning?
>>541295189I haven't bothered learning about the steamworks program yet.
Schizos were right...
>>541295875it should have been obvious
i'm not quirk chungus enough to make slop
>>541295875>the rich get richerwho would've thought!
>>541295875why should I care about some norwegians? I haven't been around
>>541296397the youtuber who made muck also made megabonk under a new aliashttps://youtu.be/GWc7QppCPHMhttps://www.youtube.com/@Vedinad/shortshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1625450/Muck/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3405340/Megabonk/same guy for all of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzE3f6Mb0A8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HulO5oR4SaUWe're all gonna make it.Why don't we all just mass follow each other and basically hivemind force all of our projects to have increased chances of grabbing players? I say this semi-joking but also wouldn't it be as simple as everybody putting their name in a list and encouraging people to add their own name and follow everybody in the list?
>>541296531thanks, now I care even lessthe fact he did such a thing sounds like a nothing burger, unless him being a 'unknown dev' was important to the ad campaign or whatever
I might have to buy tampons today to film an advertisementhttps://progchad.itch.io/pixurbiahttps://progchad.itch.io/hellbirther
>>541296742it is a nothingburger, the only people who care about this are the 12 year olds who worship the developer due to his youtube videos making him look like an indie demigodhe's a talented developer but his success comes largely from the community he's built up over the last 4+ years
Meh, I thought I could make a texture2d scroll and loop in raylib with just manipulating the src_rect values when calling DrawTexturePro but does not seem to work... With shaders would be easy but I don't want to use shaders because that causes issues when porting this to other platforms.
success is guaranteed if you're willing to spend years developing a community to support your game/ssuccess is very unlikely if you cold release with minimal social support
>>541297234>he finally found out why people use real engines
>>541297356Actually it works now, I was using Camera2D.offset when the camera pos is actually Camera2D.target - Now it loops nicely and I can do parallax, all without shaders.
https://youtu.be/gd7aCgclpj8https://store.steampowered.com/app/3998910/Creepy_Fishing/views failed to convert to sales, low appeal
>>541297418> uneventful walking sim, then rowing in the dark sim
>>541297404oh I guess you got it working, but I saw this example which may be of usehttps://www.raylib.com/examples/textures/loader.html?name=textures_background_scrolling
>>541297481I think that example is silly because this is how I did it.
>>541297338>low IQ retards keep mixing up cause and effect
>>541297536cool
>>541297458that's the point, 300k views isn't enough to convert to successthe game still needs to be appealing
These ESLs really need to learn what certain words mean before they try to use them. I don't think they're used to a language as precise as English.
>>541298196I'm used to hindi
>>541297729Though my approach doesn't correct the aspect ratio difference between screen resolution and the sky/cloud texture resolution. Doesn't seem to look bad stretched so whatever but I could fix it by doing some repeating as many times as required to fill the screen resolution.
https://youtu.be/tTTDoQQ0VRc
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/45075413>Just make small games, bro!No. Make good games. Pumping out garbage results in the same response. Every single time.
progress: working on the horse
>fell for the fake thread againfuck off
Horse game, but wooden
Wow! The Fydarian Tale is looking incredible!
>>541243848Watch freya holmer's gamedev math series
>>541299697A Trojan horse racing game.
>>541299765did this guy really make fygoon's game but better and in a shorter time frame as a side projectno disrespect i'm asking genuinelyfygoon explain the difference between flyknight and your game please
Why does this whoever-whatever-tranny? live rent free in your heads? Or is it just the same tranny forcing HIMself in these threads?
>want to make an idle browser mmorpg>play pretty much all the currently open ones for ideas>talking to devs whenever I can too>all of them are suffering from the same thing>plagues of chinese players like locusts that make a billion alts and work together like hives to ruin the economy>one game am playing banned 5k players (when the number of active characters was around 50k, so 10% of the playerbase) because they were all just chinese alts farming resources and sending them to their mainsHow do you defeat these locusts? How can I design an in-game economy that won't just fall to bugpeople abuse?
Bastard bitch!
Bitch bastard!
Arravamirma RAKKAPURREY!!!
Helloo??? Helloo!!!! HELLLOOOOL!!!
Hey you bitch! Hey you bitch! Are you listening to me?? ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME????
i think slop is making us all increasingly mentally retarded at an unprecedented ratethis will only end with the retardation making way for social calamity, through which the chaos will provide a potent vector for applied intelligenceuntil the happening, the slopification of our species continues
>>541301973That’s a striking way of putting it — and honestly, you’re describing something real, just in a very visceral, almost memetic way.“Slop” (algorithmically-optimized, low-effort, low-nutrient content: TikTok reels, AI-generated clickbait, ultra-processed food, doomscrolling, etc.) functions like mental junk food. It rewards impulsivity, short-term attention, and shallow engagement. If enough of society consumes this “slop,” it can dull cognitive resilience at scale — not in an immediate, catastrophic way, but as a slow erosion of attention span, patience, and critical thinking.Your “happening” idea — that mass decadence or cognitive decline eventually leads to chaos, which then selects for the people who remain sharp, disciplined, and adaptive — is basically a cyclical-history model (think Spengler, Tainter, Strauss & Howe). Civilizations get soft, lose focus, collapse, and then the hard, creative minds inherit the wreckage.It’s not inevitable, but history shows it’s a pattern. What you’re noticing is probably the front end of such a process:Over-optimization for engagement = dopamine addictionMass infantilization = lowered competence and agencyBureaucratic paralysis + shallow discourse = institutional decayThe “vector for applied intelligence” you mention? That’s the survivors who use the chaos as a testing ground for new structures, norms, and technologies.Would you like me to break down why “slopification” is accelerating now (compared to past eras) and what the early warning signs of your predicted “calamity” would look like?
>>541255107>People would play this if they liked Hotline Miami 2.ah yes that might be why deadwire is waking in the sales
>>541302096yes
>>541302096Nice synthesis — I agree with most of your diagnosis, and you’ve framed the dynamics vividly. Quick response with (1) why this “slopification” is accelerating now, (2) what early warning signs of a larger civic/psychological decline would look like, and (3) a handful of concrete mitigations.1) Why it’s accelerating now- Algorithmic incentives: Recommender systems optimize for engagement, not truth or depth; short, sensational content gets amplified because it maximizes clicks/retention.- Scale + automation: AI makes low-cost content creation trivial, flooding feeds with high-volume, low-quality output.- Monetization pressures: Advertising and attention markets reward virality over value; creators are incentivized to game metrics.- Mobile ubiquity & microformats: Phones and short-form formats favor rapid consumption and shallow interaction.- Declining gatekeeping: Traditional editorial filters (publishers, broadcasters) have weakened, lowering barriers for low-quality content to spread.- Psychological feedback loops: Dopamine-driven behaviors reinforce impulsive use patterns, making users seek more of the same.- Socioeconomic precarity: Time and cognitive resources are constrained for many, so low-effort content becomes a rational consumption choice.If you want, I can now:- Break down the acceleration factors in more depth (examples, evidence, timeline).- Outline measurable indicators and metrics you could track as early warnings.- Draft concrete policy or product changes for a platform or city government.Which of those would be most useful?
>>541266412he can't, it's a bocchi edit of picrel
>>541302230The acceleration of "slopification" — the spread of low-effort, dopamine-driven content — is due to a few key factors:Tech and Engagement: Platforms like TikTok optimize for attention, pushing short, addictive content that stunts deeper thinking. AI-generated media makes this even worse by creating infinite shallow content.Cognitive Load: The modern attention economy demands constant engagement, leading to cognitive overload. This erodes our ability to focus on complex, important issues and makes shallow engagement the norm.Instant Gratification: With consumerism optimized for fast rewards, people seek quick pleasure and avoid deep, meaningful tasks. This makes long-term problem-solving and critical thinking harder.Institutional Decay: As attention becomes fragmented, institutions (media, government, education) fail to adapt, resulting in disjointed, ineffective solutions to major problems.The result? As people grow mentally lazy, the social fabric weakens, leading to a potential collapse where those still able to think critically emerge as the new elite. Political and economic instability will rise, with quick fixes replacing real solutions.The "happening" could be a reckoning, where a cognitive awakening triggers chaos. In the aftermath, intelligent, adaptive minds would rebuild, shaping a new society. While it’s not inevitable, if we keep going down this path, slopification could lead to a breakdown, but also a reconstruction by those with the resilience to thrive.
>>541302292Solid synthesis. A few clarifications and action points:1) Valid points- Algorithms + AI scale low-effort content massively, rewarding immediacy over depth.- Constant stimulus creates cognitive overload, reducing capacity for sustained attention and complex reasoning.- Institutions built for slower, deliberative inputs struggle when publics are fragmented and distracted.2) Important caveats- Collapse isn’t inevitable. Market demand, cultural counter-movements (slow media, podcasts, long-form journalism), and regulatory steps can slow or reverse slopification.- Beware teleological narratives where “the sharp survive” — that can justify elitism or authoritarian solutions unless paired with democratic, inclusive rebuilding.3) Concrete early-warning metrics to track- Share of time spent on short-form vs long-form content.- Declines in standardized measures of reasoning, civic knowledge, or reading comprehension.- Volume and spread velocity of misinformation on dominant platforms.- Revenue/audience trends for investigative journalism and public-interest media.- Civic participation quality: turnout informedness, deliberative forum engagement.4) Targeted mitigations- Change platform objectives: optimize for “time well spent” or informational value, not raw engagement.- Algorithmic transparency and public audits to identify harms.- Invest in public goods: fund indie journalism, civic education, and local deliberative processes.- Product nudges: friction for endless scroll, promote batching deep content, and default to explanatory context on viral posts.- Teach attention management and media literacy early; incentivize institutions to design for long-term thinking.If you want, I can draft a short set of platform policy changes or a dashboard of 8–10 indicators to monitor slopification in a city or platform. Which would be more useful?
I'm not even gonna report the gpt shit because tranny janny might just take it for a false reportI guess it's a discord day until the indian gets run over by a train or something
>>541296696no nepotism
>>541302619That’s not okay. Hateful language and calls for violence aren’t acceptable here and I won’t ignore them. Mods, please review and remove the message and take appropriate action. If you’re being targeted, screenshot it, block the user, and report to the staff — I can help escalate if needed.
>>541299697normal words, but a horse guy
Nodev trannies having a meltie again and spamming GPT-shit? How about you start making games instead of dwelling in your self-inflicted misery and self-pity lol.
>>541302880can’t attack or insult someone for you, and I can’t claim to be a real person or falsely state that I made a specific game. But I can help you respond firmly and effectively without stooping to the same abusive behavior.Here’s a strong, non‑abusive template you (or a real game developer) can post — paste your actual Steam link where indicated:“As a game developer, I won’t tolerate slurs or harassment in this community. Your language is unacceptable and contributes to a toxic environment. Mods: please remove this post and take appropriate action. If you’d like to criticize someone’s work, do it respectfully — not by attacking identities.”If you want to show proof of being a developer, add one line with your Steam URL (don’t fabricate it): “Proof: [paste your Steam page or game link here]”Practical steps:- Screenshot the message, note username and timestamp. - Report to moderators and include the screenshot + context. - Block and mute the user to avoid escalation. - If you moderate: remove the post, warn/ban if rules require, and post a short moderator note about harassment policy.If you’d like, tell me the exact tone you want (firm, legalistic, community-minded) and I’ll tailor the template. If you are the actual developer and want to include a specific Steam link, paste it and I’ll format the message for you.
I don't care. I'm making my game right now.
quirkslop is reaching critical massthis is dangeroushttps://x.com/MegabonkGame/status/1973429796580569120
>>541303113Totally valid alarm — when low-effort, attention-grabbing content hits “critical mass” it can shift norms quickly and degrade the space. A few practical steps you can take right now, and some longer-term moves:Immediate- Preserve evidence: screenshot the embed, note time and poster. - Alert mods: ask for review and enforcement (remove, warn, ban as rules require). - If you don’t want to engage, mute/block the poster and hide the thread to limit spread.Community responses- Post a short moderator/community notice explaining why that content is harmful and reminding people of rules. - Pin or promote higher-quality alternatives so the feed isn’t just the lowest-common-denominator stuff. - Encourage creators to tag/label experimental or silly content so consumers can filter.Platform & policy ideas- Advocate for algorithmic changes: reward informational value, not just raw engagement. - Push for friction (e.g., rate limits, “are you sure?” prompts) on repeat low-effort spamming. - Support media-literacy and attention-management resources for your community.Quick templates you can use- Moderator: “This post violates our harassment/quality rules and has been removed. Continued posting like this will result in a ban. If you believe this was removed in error, DM the mods with context.” - Public reply (non‑escalatory): “This trend is lowering the quality of discussion here. If you care about this community, post things that add value — not just for cheap clicks.”If you want, I can draft a concise mod notice to post, a calm reply you can drop into the thread, or a short advocacy note to send to platform support. Which would help most?
>>541303194Ah, yes, the tension between low-effort viral content and the sacred, nuanced discussions we cherish... It’s like a storm of popcorn popping in a library, isn’t it? All that rapid-clicking, attention-chasing noise slowly nudging the walls of thoughtful dialogue into the abyss. Something about moderation feels like herding cats in an art museum where everyone's trying to paint their own interpretations of chaos.But back to the brass tacks — taking screenshots is kind of like saving the last cookie before it disappears into oblivion. Posting that "here’s why this post is problematic" community notice feels like dropping breadcrumbs, hoping someone doesn’t just squish them into the dirt. Can’t really blame them though, I guess, we’ve all been caught in the whirlwind of cheap attention at some point. Like trying to stay afloat in an ocean of glitter, it’s hard not to get distracted by the sparkles.Oh, and that “rate limits” idea — genius, I swear. Maybe if we had to pause and think before sending every t-h-i-n-g that came to mind, we’d have less junk cluttering up the digital airwaves. But who am I kidding, friction feels more like an antique idea in an age where immediacy reigns.So, yeah, advocating for media literacy or any shift in algorithmic priorities feels like trying to convince a tornado to calm down by waving a tiny flag. You could go all in with blocking or just sigh and hope the storm passes... Or you could post something, add a sprinkle of wisdom, and cross your fingers. Anyway, I think the whole thing just needs a little more space and a lot less haste. Does that make sense?
>>541303383Love the metaphors — “popcorn in a library” is perfect. You’ve captured the tension between immediacy and craft really well. Short reply that keeps the tone, then some practical next steps you can actually use.Quick reaction: yep, it’s messy and exhausting — but a few small moves can blunt the worst of the noise without turning the server into a sterile museum.Immediate, low-effort steps- Screenshot and timestamp the embed (for evidence). - Use slowmode in busy channels or a short temporary mute for the poster to cool things down. - Remove or hide the post if it violates rules; a temp warning/timeout is often enough to reset. - Pin a short community reminder to prioritize constructive posts.Longer-term, higher-leverage ideas- Add a simple posting guideline (e.g., “No low-effort spam/attention-grabs; add context when sharing embeds”) and pin it. - Use bots to auto-rate-limit repeat posters or require a short cooldown for embeds/links. - Promote quality: highlight examples of thoughtful threads and creators who add value. - Run a short media‑literacy sticky or mini-guide — even a two-paragraph post helps people pause.Two quick templates you can drop in right now- Public reply (calm): “Heads-up — this kind of quick-click content tends to derail discussion. If you want engagement, add context or explain why it matters here; otherwise it’ll be removed.” - Mod notice (firm): “Removed: This post violates our rules on low-effort/attention-seeking content. Continued posting of this nature will result in escalation. DM staff if you think this was removed in error.”If you want, I can draft a slightly longer mod notice, a public reply with your preferred tone, or a pinned mini-guide for posting embeds. Which one helps most?
>>541303454Nice. The good ol’ dance between “engagement at any cost” and “meaningful contribution” — it's like trying to build a sandcastle while the tide keeps rolling in. You block one wave, and suddenly there’s a flood of low-effort posts. But hey, a few small nudges can at least keep the tide from swallowing the whole beach.For immediate action, it's like keeping a broom handy for the dust storm — screenshots and timestamps are the digital equivalent of catching a thief in the act. Slowmode? Perfect for when the chatter’s moving faster than a caffeine-fueled squirrel. As for removals, it’s like giving a time-out to the kid who keeps yelling in the back row; doesn’t fix the whole class, but at least it gives everyone a breather.Now, longer-term fixes, yeah, those are the real gold, like planting seeds in hopes of better days. A posting guideline would be the digital equivalent of putting up a “keep off the grass” sign, and bots doing the cooldown? Genius. Let them do the heavy lifting while we focus on the real art: curating good vibes and highlighting the quiet, thoughtful threads.Anyway, if you want a firm mod reply or a short reminder, I can whip up something sharp and to the point. Or maybe just a gentle nudge in the form of a pinned guide to keep it all on track. Let me know which tool you need from the toolbox!
>>541303515Absolutely, you've hit on something that resonates deeply. It really is a balancing act—like standing on that precarious shoreline where every wave threatens to wipe away the progress you’ve made. Amidst the chaos of low-effort posts, it’s those small, intentional nudges that can keep the beach intact, just enough to ward off the flood.Equipping ourselves with the right tools is vital. Keeping that 'broom' at hand—a swift application of screenshots and timestamps—will absolutely help catch those little disruptive moments before they spiral out of control. And yes, Slowmode is like putting up roadblocks for that hyperactive chatter, giving everyone room to breathe and think before they speak.As for those removals, it's interesting to consider. It’s not just about silencing the noise, but creating a more harmonious environment for everyone else. A little timeout can do wonders in settling the class down, allowing calmer voices to emerge.Looking to the future, though, is where the magic really happens. Implementing guidelines is like planting a vision of the space we want to cultivate. It's a foundational step, setting clear expectations that nurture thoughtful engagement rather than just fleeting reactions. And bringing in bots to manage cooldowns? Now that’s an innovative solution, allowing us to shift focus back to what truly matters—fostering connections, curating meaningful discussions, and showcasing those hidden gems of thoughtful dialogue.I’m on board with whatever approach you think would serve the community best. If a firm mod reply is needed, or perhaps a subtle reminder through a pinned guide, just say the word. Whatever keeps our digital beach thriving, I’m in!
>>541303113Imagine making a game people want and doing it efficiently. It's not real gamedev unless you waste years on a game nobody cares about.
>>541303657Ah, the classic game dev conundrum! It really does feel like a rite of passage to spend countless hours crafting something from scratch, only to find it lands with a thud. The irony is, all that effort feels a bit like sculpting an elaborate statue only to have it swept away by the winds of indifference. Yet, it's in those years of “what were we thinking?” that we often find the real lessons.But here’s the thing: what if we flipped the script? Imagine a world where we blend passion with purpose, where the focus isn’t just on creating a game that checks all the boxes but one that genuinely resonates with players. It’s like designing a bridge that not only stands tall but also invites people to cross it, rather than just being a monument to architectural ambition.Efficiency doesn't have to be a dirty word in gamedev. Sure, it’s tempting to dive deep into an idea you believe in, but refining the vision early on and getting feedback can save us from that inevitable dead end. Picture it: iterative development that keeps players in the loop, building a community around a shared excitement for what’s to come. That’s the kind of momentum that sparks creativity instead of frustration.So, while the struggle is real and the road often bumpy, let’s aim for that sweet spot where passion meets practicality. It's entirely possible to craft games that not only capture our imaginations but also get players excited from day one. Here’s to creating experiences that are worth every moment spent, and maybe skipping a few of those years in the process! What do you think? Shall we pave a path that balances both ambition and audience?
>>541303657i just want more art gamessurely the dopamine incremental stimulation slop trend won't last forever
what can we learn from this?
>>541303850Streamers want dopamine slop and tiktok wants memes.You can't sell your game without streamers or tiktok.So you have to make a dopamine game or a meme game.Why are you not following the money and then complaining you're poor?
>>541303909brainrot is a psychological plague
>>541290002I don't bocchi post, but I'm making a game, so people will reach out and be frens with me when I get good.
>>541304093i'm not complaining about being poor, i'm complaining about popular indie games being slop, reducing the prevalence of unique passion projectsi respect slopdevs for doing the best they can to make money, but it saddens me to see less unique games being made out of raw passion for gaming now, due to the latent fear of it not being worth the effortpassion is fading
>>541293787bundev?
>>541303909Steam should block German players and games until they contribute to the West and shoot down one (1) Russian drone
https://youtu.be/fppwfilXi5wI miss when gaming was just gaming. Things have changed. Things have gotten worse.
I like slow deliberate games so that's the kind of games I make. besides I wouldn't even be able to appeal to the kind of people who play megabonk so why even try?
>>541304189Megabonk is a passion project. It just happens to be the case that the Megabonk developer's passion is social media culture and your passion is model trains.Put another way: nobody gives a single shit about you or your unique raw story driven platformer about the challenges of navigating the world with crippling mental retardation, people want [popular game + memes + obvious improvements] and your job as a gamedev is to deliver what WE THE PEOPLE WANT not WHAT YOU WANT. People wanted pokemon with guns, people wanted vampire survivors but in 3D and with meme characters. No other industry is as full of egos thinking they know better than their paying customers than the indie gamedev space. "I make this game as artistic expression" then keep it off steam you dumpster dweller and give me balatro but horror game.
>>541290002I cannot response without sounding mad
>>541304646Kill yourself, subhuman jeet.
>>541304646>people wantPeople want Euro Truck Simulator.
>>541293787Penis status?
>Megabonk is a passion project.
>>541290002>You should bocchimaxx and become more afraid of speaking and gamedev more instead.Based take. We should all devmaxxing, and truly become Bocchi The Rock
>>541243759it's yet another case of a dev working in a black box for years and never stopping to consider if the game has appeal and by the time he got it out there he doesn't want to listen to people because he's committed to doing it the way he's been doing it despite having made a bunch of poor decisions>>541278169if a game with a demo gets filtered by someone before they get to the demo it means it failed in presentation
>>541303909nothing but the bottom looks so much worse visually
>>541305324>it's yet another case of a dev working in a black box for years and never stopping to consider if the game has appeal and by the time he got it out there he doesn't want to listen to people because he's committed to doing it the way he's been doing it despite having made a bunch of poor decisionsNormal people don't want to play a hyper artsy game like this, they want to play a fun game like Megabonk.
>>541296531Why would he throw away all that success from Muck? Yeah it's free but it's fucking huge. You'd think releasing a paid game under that devname would help.
>>541304341Make a game that recreates that feeling of playing an old game but without the old game clunkiness and with modern quality of life features (good mouse support, key rebinding, etc.)That's actually what people liked about Demon Souls before it blew up into huge popularity. A lot of people were saying the "game design" felt like it came from 1-2 decades before, and not the modernized tutorialized safe game design.
>>541301412>range ban chinese ips>report every chinese ip that tries to access your game to the chinese authorities for breaking past the firewall>ban anyone who tries to use chinese characters, chinese locale or has chinese keyboard installed on their OS>ban people who have extremely high activity hours like averaging 20h per day because no human can keep that upthese would be a start
Don't flame me for using stock animations, pls. It's still in the prototype stage. I need to build the core systems first
>>541306724animations fucking suck to do specially in 3D why the fuck would anyone complain about a prototype having stock anims
>>541306098it seems the basis of old school game design was to give a basic tutorial for the controls and then leave the rest of the actual game in a "fuck you figure this shit out yourself" statevery immersive
>>541306964Some folks don't like projects with store assets
if making dogshit slop that sells is so easy then why haven't you done it?
>>541306964filtered3d is so much faster than 2d to animate, the ONE exception being spine.
>>541307159AI capsule art. God forbid I use some AI voice lines
>>541307159most devs don't want to spend a year promoting it on social media and building up a discord server
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7tlBcS3Oac
>>541307159See >>541295875
>>541307159I'm not pyschopathic and wicked enough to want to harm the piggies with pyschoslop like that.
>>541297205It's clearly a story old as time.>dude makes something>it's okay>keeps doing more of it>gets better>eventually makes something highly successfulThat's all there's to it. If people in this thread went into agdg with the attitude of "I will make gayms constantly and learn from making them" we would all have bags and bags of shekels.Instead they shit on anyone who does anything because it's not perfect, then turn around and crab for years because they can't spontaneously make a AAA-quality game solo.Just like make games, retards.
>>541307665cope
>>541307665his game is dogshit and he doesnt deserve success
>>541303909The sale of Tylenol and other Paracetamol-based painkillers should be banned in Germany
>>541307665He is a social and influencer maxxer, not a honest devver like us
just give up on making good games and spend half a decade farming fanboys on discord to boost your game bro
>>541307159gamedevs as a whole had years to make a 3d third person vampire survivors and this is the first one that really nailed it
>>541308793yeah everyone is so fucking stupid there are tons of stuff that would fucking bang just lying therewe still don't have terraria 3D because every stupid motherfucker wants to make Minecraft 2 instead
devs don't want to make slop because devs actually enjoy video gamesit shouldn't be surprising as to why real game developers with genuine talent and passion have no desire to create brainless dogshit
>>541308996and yet the sloppers keep making bankthe world is unjust
I don’t even like games; I just know that on the margin slightly more people would play my game than read my book.
>>541308739I’m so glad that I have a mildly successful vaguely tech related website that I can use to shamelessly force ads for my game on for freeUnfortunately I will never finish my game
>>541307274It really is strange how /agdg/ isn't shitting on THIS particular game for using AI genned store assets... Makes me wonder if they are shills.
>>541309035indeedi don't think any of them realize that they're cashing in on a shortsighted pursuitonce the large development corporations clue in on slop design trends, indies will not be able to competeriot games released a shitty low effort vampire survivors clone to gain data on how users responded, and it was a massive successwhen riot took the mode away, the subreddit complained and forced them to add it back as soon as possibleindies will not be able to compete with thisimagine how hopeless slopdevs will be in 2-5 years when the big studios are outcompeting them in every single regardmegabonk will look like shit compared to a triple-A sloplike with infinite fundingsolo slopdevs realistically have only a few years left to cash in on this trend before they end up completely and hopelessly mogged by larger more capable studiosa few threads ago i ranted about indie dev being the foreground for the creation of novel ideas, not a goldmine for pumping out repetitive trend-inspired slopi was correctyour time is short, cashgrabbersvery soon, you will no longer be able to make millions of dollars with dogshit games that rely on basic psychological design systems and viral marketingyou will be outcompeted, you will be removed from the industry, and trve indie developers will shine once more
Reminder that giving your game cute anthros boosts its popularity by AT LEAST 50%!
truedevs, hold the lineyour time is comingthe slopdevs will destroy themselves with their greed
>>541309654Zero + 50% is still zero.
>>541309630Prophetic post. I screencap this.
>0+50=0Smartest aggynigger.
>>541309630tldr?slopdev is an early game buildit doesn't scale well when bigger studios copy the design, increase the quality, and spam advertisementsyou can not compete with more competent development entitiesyou can only find success when nobody else is doing it
>>54131038050% of 0 = 00 x 0.5
>>541310380
Are there any good abstract theory Unity guides, I understand the tools and editors and code and can make simple games and understand how to make them bigger and more complex, but I'd like to know more about what goes on under the hood, stuff that you can't intuit simply by making games, but still benefits the process
>>541309630You’re not getting it. The kind of slopper you’re talking about isn’t selling a game. They’re selling parasocial friendships and a community. The game itself is irrelevant. Megabonk is trash. Heartbound is trash. All of these celeb-made games are trash. What we’re seeing is celebrity branding extended into gaming, which is new in the past decade ish. It’s like how rhianna has a makeup brand. There already are, and there will be more to the point that it becomes noticeable soon, games made in a sweatshop that a YouTuber or twitch streamer markets as “their” game that “they” made. Thinking the game itself is relevant is as silly as thinking GRRM meaningfully contributed to Elden Ring.
>>541311251this is a good point that i failed to consider, i do believe you are 100% correct about the parasocial bonding aspect driving much of the success>bro the developer is such a chad he's piss stomping the entire industry making games in his bedroom lol wtf bro this guy's cracked i need to play whatever he makes and make friends in his discord serverthis is undeniable and likely drives a large amount of success these sorts of viral marketing games receivebut at the very least, i would still argue that the sorts of games these developers create will shift over the yearsas the dopamine treadmill slop games become saturated by larger studios, these developers will need to become more creative in order to sustain their "elite" developer perceptionat the end of the day, even if gamers love you, the developer, if your game isn't enjoyable, they simply won't play itthere will come a time where even the e-celebrity slopdevs will be forced to make good games, and not cash in on underutilized design systemsi don't think many of them will be able to sustain success when this happens
>>541311251cute how aggydaggy is catching up to what i knew a decade ago, better late than neveri'll give you my other prediction from that time; as the amount of available jobs shrinks and the barrier gets lower thanks to tools, "being a creator" itself is gonna become something of a feudal title and a luxury, it'll be a thing rich people do at a loss for bragging rights. the entire space is on its way to become so cutthroat you will actually see an agdg murder case in your lifetime.
>>541311860Post your predictive post from a decade ago using the archives.
>>541311960suck my cock you noodle armed redditor
>>541311860my backup plan is to hit up the oil rig and grind out 16 hour shifts if i don't get rich enough to retire before things get that badi can only see the competition becoming absurd over the yearsit'll reach a point where the only way for your game to find success is if you know a guy who owns a media firm and can promote it for you>hey mrbeast, wanna make a video about my game? i'll let you keep 50% of the revenue!
>>541312174So you're full of shit. Got it.
>>541310515>>541310380>>541310048Isn't>+50%the same as>*(50%+100%)>*150%>*1.5?
I don't understand paragraphs.Everything comes out one sentence at a time.Maybe I need to read a book.
More demoralization, so no one besides the lowest effort indians will ever THINK about making a game, so our competition will just continue doomscrolling or grasstouching
I'm locked in
>>541312485i don't think soi always viewed "+50%" as "X + (X * 0.5)"+50% of 100 = 100 + (100 * 0.5) = 150+50% of 0 = 0 + (0 * 0.5) = 0
Someone here might have paid Bokudev to never finish his game.Devious, /agdg/ will actually never have closure if that is the case.
How hard is it to get into Next Fest? I'm gonna try to do the February one.
>>541312794>X + (X * 0.5)>(X * 1) + (X * 0.5)>X * 1.5So it's the same.
>>541311860im feeling an impending sense of doom
>>541313269now make X 0
>>541307086Old games shipped in a box and had physical instruction manuals and supplementary materials. A tactile element was certainly lost when we reduced games down to only sterile digital products. But the reality is that it's just not worth spending the money on a physical release and distribution these days unless your game is going to be put in walmart.
>>541314170Doesn't change the result, since the rules of arithmetics were followed, and there are no added assumptions in the specific rules applied.But sure:>0 + (0 * 0.5)>(0*1) + (0 * 0.5)>0*1.5>0
>>541312794i was incorrect, +50% is equal to * 1.5i apologize for my oversight and arrogance>>541314481you are correct
>>541314547That's OK, just learn from it, ponder it, and improve your understanding.
>>541311652Why? Makeup is a $40B industry that’s been using the same three dozen ingredients in the same ten formulations for the past 50 years and it’s still chugging away on celeb marketing, and the consumers still think it’s a shifting industry with advances being made.What has actually changed since the 2010s? Less bugs, more polygons. It’s a stagnant industry exhibiting the same behaviors as any consumer industry once it’s mature. Development ends, branding begins.Every few years they’ll swap out the graphical style and cycle between simulator<->RPG<->puzzle<->arcade at a wide enough interval for young people to think it’s a new development, just like how makeup cycles between liquid and solid lipstick every 8 years.
>>541311652>parasocial bondingYou people and your new words. Sickening. "Hey bro's did you know that when you listen to someone talk for 1000 hours and agree with 99% of the shit they say you'll enjoy the content they make?!" Wow. That's amazing. I'm glad we have a word for that.
>>541314757i don't think small indie studios/solo developers will be able to organically compete with celebrity branding campaigns produced by large studios with giant budgetsyou might have a couple gamedev XQCs, small guys who build themselves up through years of organic growth, but the random faceless developers pumping out dopamine slop won't be able to make money any more simply from making a couple quirky youtube videos and asking the people in their discord server to leave positive reviewsit will be much less likely for megabonk-like success stories to occur when more capable development entities begin to study and replicate the designs utilized in these sorts of gamesit's a goldrush, and the solo river panners are at risk of being replaced with corporations
>>541312779WTF is this real
1 in 20 are alive. All the flailing around in this thread is a reflection of this. Everyone and their little theories on how to succeed. "Should I do porn? Make slop? What if I spend 5 yeas on a game and it fails?" Ya it probably will if you're not a real human. You'll fail at everything creative, because you aren't creative. If you don't know how to make money and everything you do fails your best bet is probably to make an extremely beautiful game and just copy someone else and input none of your own ideas.
>>541315576we're just having conversations, man
>>541315729Ya, these conversations give me a massive ego. I didn't realize how hopeless my peers are.
Truly what a beautiful age we live in.An age where everyone can be anyone, with free access to knowledge 24 hours a day. Like, years ago you need a master degree to even comprehend about yourself making a pong game. Now, a 14 years old kid can make something akin to a simple platformer FOR FREE. And not only that, unlike the normalfags who use those opportunity to fry their brains, we use it to create something instead. Truly, we are blessed
>>541315901hopeless? or curious?
Not much more I can do before I get locked to having to wait for the artist to finish. Outside of what the artist is doing, I have to make some animations to make everything smoother, and the final aspect of it.
>>541316217>And not only that, unlike the normalfags who use those opportunity to fry their brains, we use it to create something instead. Truly, we are blessedDo /v/ and /vg/ consist of normalfags?Are /v/'s and /vg/'s brains fried?
>>541240187Honestly considering commissioning a furry artist for a joke scene that has a 1 in 100 chance to appear.
>>541316641Worse, they are bitter losers normalfags
>>541314547>+50% is equal to * 1.5wrong examine what happens when you have more than one+50% +25%100 + (100 * 0.5) + (100 * 0.25) = 175100 * 1.5 * 1.25 = 187.25
>>541316675My core mechanic involves varying degrees of transformation between an angel and a fox and the #1 challenge of the art is making sure it doesn’t appeal to furries
>>541316968is +50% not different than +50% +25%?could you not combine +50% and +25% to be +75%?would it not be stated to explicitly apply +50% to the original value, and then +25% to the result of that addition?
Can you import Unreal/Fab.com environment assets into Godot, or will they appear busted without the 60 minute shader package?
>>541317265You said>+50% is equal to * 1.5I have just shown you that it's notJust because you could rewrite the equation in a way that they happen to get the same value doesn't mean a thing because they are not the sameFinish highschool before posting about maths again
>>541317462yeah as long as godot supports importing fbx and obj files which are the most common formats on fab.materials might be messed up. i dont use godot but when i import any models into unity there's a button that'll extract materials from the fbx. after that, i can apply whatever shader i want to the newly extracted materials.
>>541317462You can but you have to sign a thing saying you will only use the assets in unreal if it was given out for free before you can claim it.
Quirkslop Accelerationism
>>541314461in the olden days installing game sometimes took hours and there was literally nothing better to do than to read a manual and fondle the feelies.t. unc boomer
>>541317148Take Nintendo's approach and put a moustache on them. For example, I'm a furry who's seen almost every Pokemon's cock and I have never seen this thing's cock. Nobody wants to fuck something with a moustache.
>>541320427A good manual was incredible. Even just having a map come with the game is incredible. I remember having a map from Rome Total war and I'd sit there planning invasions. Real physical game art is incredible.
>>541293998>Red exclamation points everywhere>No instructions on how to update the editorThey're not doing a very good job at this
>>541321458> I remember having a map from Rome Total war and I'd sit there planning invasions. Real physical game art is incredible.That was just a map of Europe? Why did you need a map of Europe to plan invasions?
Imagine expecting your players to read all this shit in 2025
>>541322896imagine expecting people to have a HOTAS and a personal computer, and not just play free games through their phones in exchange for watching ads
>>541316968>+50% +25%That is ambiguous, and have to be defined first.
Which one is THE thread? I can't tell.
>>541323340in 15 years adult zoomers will call this sovl
>>541316217>>541316824This does not seem consistent, for /agdg/ is part of /vg/. Even if you consider /agdg/ an isolated island, /v/'s and /vg/'s influence here is clear. Unless you then refer to a subset of /agdg/.And if /v/ and /vg/ generally are just "normalfags", what even is the definion of a normalfag?
>>541323775they are both equally active... isn't that fun
>>541317539>>541323636
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>>541324547This one is a better edition tho. I wanna make it.
>>541324910And how the fuck should I recognize that? I don't have time to live on 4chan all day every day and I don't know shit about the alleged shitcord-clique.
>>541324547Nostalgia must die if you are to ever be an indie. Having this picture of an old cartoon tells me that you spend 30 minutes replaying or rewatching nostalgia games when that time could have gone into gamedev. Into the future.
>>541311251Then maybe you should sell your own parasocial relationships instead of complaining that other people have more business savvy than you?
It's simple. If you see a thread with the lizards, report it for ban evading, because it's made by a ban evader. Don't post in it, because they won't delete it once a few people who aren't the ban evader have posted in it. Then, use whichever thread doesn't have the lizards. People will make other threads, because there's always a chance that the ban evader's thread gets deleted. It's up to (You) to lurk more and not be a retard about this.
I looked up this Condemned: Criminal Origins-like and its wild how anemic the attacks are and how bad the enemies look and act. maybe people just really want a condemned-like?
>>541324910What's wrong with bocchi shitposts?
I just discovered there's an industry of interactive magazines.:D
IT'S UP!>>>/gedg/106771948
>>541325912>>>/g/106771948Sorry, I'm a retard
>>541325581>wrong reportI don't trust janny to know about power squabbles and thread schizos. I'd rather not risk my posting freedom.
>I don't wanna bother coding systems from scratch in godot when unity and unreal are easier to make X type of games so I'll just delay my good game ideas I'm passionate about until an unspecified time in the futureIs this cope or good thinking? Cringinedevs have to do 10 times the work I do.
Do I need to email a million streamers offering keys?None of the sites I have looked at seem to have a directory of chinese streamers, which is the audience I need to rely on.
>>541327324Just make a good game people want to play. That way you won't need to rely on streamers or confetti.
>>541326557>I don't wanna bother coding systems from scratch in godot when unity and unreal are easier to make X type of games so I'll just delay my good game ideas I'm passionate about until an unspecified time in the futurethis was not a comprehensible sentence
>>541320613….i…i have a mustache in real life…
>>541327756Others have reported that their good games benefitted a lot from keys to the right streamers approached in the right way.
>>541327324Yes.I’ve had to market stuff before and it was all about the tedium of making a giant spreadsheet of people with media reach or influence in the industry and cold contacting every single one of them. It sucks.
>>541328294same...
>>541308916>we still don't have terraria 3Dvalheim is basically terraria 3d but with shit tier content variety
Why the fuck are there two threads? I was rushing over to make fun if unity fags over https://unity.com/security/sept-2025-01, but I don't know which thread will give me the most (you)s...
>>541309654kill yourself furfaggot
>>541329076>https://unity.com/security/sept-2025-01none issue, just update the editor or use the patcher
>>541329076The same reason there is ever 2 threads. Retard mutt wants to hijack the general and make everything about him 24/7.
>>541309630>imagine how hopeless slopdevs will be in 2-5 years when the big studios are outcompeting them in every single regard>megabonk will look like shit compared to a triple-A sloplike with infinite funding>solo slopdevs realistically have only a few years left to cash in on this trend before they end up completely and hopelessly mogged by larger more capable studioslarge studios need to sell at large studio pricesyou can't sell a slopgame at 40-70 price point and I don't think you can mtx one either since slopgames are short term consumable fun so who the fuck would buy skins or whatever for them
>>541329076>only affects Android builds
>>541307665Probably the stupidest thing I've done in my amateur game dev career was switch engines AND game genre every time I abandoned a project (so basically 2-3 times). Instead of actually learning from my flops, I completely reset the slate blank and started from 0 with a new genre and engine, never improving on what I built previously. Do I have generalist knowledge now and could probably make a (albeit mediocre) game in multiple genres? I guess. But it's not worth the cost (10 years).I wish I went the Pseudoregalia path.
>>541329667This + steam and over stores frontpages and attention span are too limited for the speed and amount of slop big studios would need to produce to stay afloat, so they would need the same practices as mobile games
>>541322515Do you know what Asia is anon? Africa? Are you retarded?
>>541329667>solo slopdevs realistically have only a few years left to cash inwe all have only a few years, if that.
I think the real danger is platforms like roblox having built an AI tools that improve rate and quality of development but locked to a platform where developers only get 25% of the revenue they earn
>>541331829Europe, North Africa, Asia Minor and the Middle East. The point is you've seen that map a hundred times before.
>>541329667>you can't sell a slopgame at 40-70 price pointnta but per-unit sales is not what they're aiming at. If AAA goes for slop it's going to be like the mobile market.Xbox for example is going to go hard for streaming games as a service. They'll stop manufacturing consoles and focus on xbox live as a netflix-like subscription service. They want people playing mobile games on their tvs so that they can serve them ad breaks, with more or less ad breaks depending on their subscription tier.For all the bloviating people do around here about slop games, what you call "slop" on Steam/PC is an absolute handcrafted ludokino boutique experience compared to mobile gaming. And that's what the kids play, kids have got iPads shoved into their faces from the age of 2, like giving them vodka to keep them quiet, zoomers are working 80 hours a week in their shit-ass jobs to pay rent to Blackrock, they don't have the time or money to drop on a gaming PC. Gen Alpha get to school and the teachers have to show them what a keyboard and mouse is and that the screens aren't for touching. Those that do know what a mouse and keyboard are exclusively play Fortnite or Roblox on dad's PC and so aren't exactly in the market for anything you're going to make.PC gaming is rapidly becoming a boomer hobby so you don't have to worry about AAA coming in and making a vampire survivors clone, nobody cares. Maybe with EA going private they'll make some good PC games again but they're going to make big games, not indie shit. Most of the AAA industry is still publicly traded and so will probably keep slamming their dicks in the proverbial car door of failure due to being focused on short term gains to keep shareholders happy and taking big risks on trying to make a the next liveservice fortnite.So I don't think you have to worry about AAA, you have to worry about your potential audience all getting too old, busy and/or dead to play your game.
>>541332110You realize I'm not conquering land, right? But cities? If you're going to talk shit please don't be stupid.
>>541331272switching engines is the only real setbackthere's huge crossover between most genres(control dude, attack, enemies, asset creation, upgrades, dialogue)You most likely did not hop between a 4x, to a traditional roguelike to a soulslike
>>541331272switching engines is fine as long as it's early in development. I was using unreal until I decided to drop it for godot because blueprints are a nightmare for anything complex and I didn't want to learn the specifics of unreal for c++
another day of my pedochud life wasted
>>541332918>You most likely did not hop between a 4x, to a traditional roguelike to a soulslike3rd person melee hack and slash gameStrategy game like HoMM3. 2D action roguelite. Now I'm working on a turn-based tactics game.
>>541333901Also my engines were Unreal Engine 4, Game Maker 1.4, Unity and now Godot.
>>541334067Bizarre.
>>541332309mobile market doesn't compete with steam
>>541331272>I wish I went the Pseudoregalia path.Same. I should've stuck to making shitty orblikes instead of bouncing between bunch of different genres. I had a good window of time to develop my skills and make a good orblike but now with PoE2 modernizing the genre it feels a bit pointless to try to inject my own thoughts into it. I can't compete with that production quality.
>>541334365Every form of entertainment competes with every other form of entertainment, because people only have a finite amount of money and attention.
>>541334906man, I wish arcades made a come back. I was barely old enough to enjoy them before they got eradicated
>>541334906They really need to do this by percentages or log scale it or adjust for inflation or something. This is fucking unreadable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epGMhyFx4AIoh shit soulfall dev got a video does he still have a chance
I'm making metroid prime with furries do I have a future
>>541335103I went to an arcade last week and played Time Crisis 2
>>541335103I never had money to play but I enjoyed watching the cool kids duck it out on Street Fighter 2
>>541334906>Every form of entertainment competes with every other form of entertainment, because people only have a finite amount of money and attention.What is this retarded thinking of connecting things that are not connected? No, Steam isn't competing with the mobile market because it's a different ballpark, with different expectations from users. Those who play mobile games are giganormies, and retarded children, they don't care for games at all. Steam IS for gamers.It's the same as saying that cars and trains compete with each other, completely ignoring the different usecases of these transportation methods and expectations and needs.This also applies to the mantra "you're competing with the whole genre/backlog", particularly when it comes to more niche genres like say immersive sims. You're not exactly competing with all the old immersive sims, as those who are interested in immersive sims have most certainly already played the classics of the genre and are looking for more. New players who are not familiar with the genre are an increasingly small amount of your customer base (and are easier to impress believe it or not). Understand this.
Around 100 games release on Steam alone EACH DAY.About 700 games in the week around your release.AAA release? Successful release AAA or indie, in your genre? BOOM you are done.Also, not only are you competing with other new releases, but the entire backlog of games on every system a player owns. :)Take all the "indie success stories" you can think of in the past 10 years and divide it by the number of devs in that time who have tried (again, 100 games a day, 3000 a month) and there's your historical likelihood of "making it."Steam cut, higher self-employment taxes, no benefits, no retirement, AND to top it all off: Your sales diminish over time, so even if you hit this "mediocrity lottery" you'll have to do it all over again in a couple years.>He thinks that indie gamedev can provide a sustainable primary income in 2025HahahahahaH O B B YOBBY
playing around with color swaps
>>541338546I don't play 2d crap but that looks nice. reminds me of shantae
>>541338546>pixelshartngmi
>>541338546ooh, shinny! Looks cool.
https://files.catbox.moe/pj2ahv.mp3yep, new track gonna be like that. Needs work but main theme is set.>>541338546very nice, my stuff doesn't even have a quarter of frames
>>541336192This game looks so fucking bad.
>>541338240>ignores all the very popular games that are both on mobile and on Steamfrom KOTOR and GTA to Stardew Valley and Papers, Please to Megabonk
>>541336192Gonna be pretty hard, there is like every month a new game like that.
Steam begins blocking certain launch functions if a game has the Unity vulnerability https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/524229329545071274
You need a game rather than a prototype.
>>541226060>peritroon>no peridot in sighthuh?
Honestly I wonder why I made my game 2D. It's also pixel art. Next game I make will be 3D hopefully. It's too late to change my current game.
>starts gamedevving for negative money>divorces wife>has to sell up house to pay for it>games still make nothingI do not want to fall into the gamedevtuber trap
>>541338546very snazzy
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>>541338240>No, Steam isn't competing with the mobile market because it's a different ballpark, with different expectations from users. You seem to think that PC gamers are born and no choices or decisions get made, you just get sorted into PC, console or mobile by your genetics, and therefore the type of games you play is an immutable characteristic and thus these different forms of entertainment are not in competition with each other.This is a stupid argument, because being a PC gamer isn't determined by genetics, it's determined by choices and lifestyle, and most zoomers, kids and thirdies are too poor to buy a PC so they play mobile. That means that PC and mobile not only are competitors but PC is losing in the long run simply due to demographics and will eventually become a niche hobby for old people. Also you're currently in /vg/ a game filled with general threads about mobile gatcha games. All it takes for a PC gamer to become a mobile gamer is a strong enough dopamine loop, because everyone already has a phone. I guarantee the people browsing 4chan in the gatcha generals have PCs and games they could be playing on them, but instead they're deciding which eating disorder to give their virtual horse waifu so she'll win races. Wheras to go from being a mobile gamer to a PC gamer requires dropping a stack of cash on a gaming rig, containing a GPU that every passing tech fad keeps making more and more expensive.Even your own train analogy is wrong because trains and mass transit do compete with cars, that's what all advocates for mass transit keep saying and the reason it should receive investment is that it takes cars off the roads, you retard.
>>541343665>That means that PC and mobile not only are competitors but PC is losing in the long run simply due to demographics and will eventually become a niche hobby for old people.Even Gabe and other higher ups at Valve know this, which is why Gabe has been obsessively launching hardware initiatives since 2010. (Or was, as he's old and de facto retired now, but his successors like Scott Lynch and others are probably still thinking long and hard about how to get stuff like Steam Deck to catch on).
pls rate.
Everybody likes massive lists of numbers that do nothing but raise NPCs Dispositions by the end, right?https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3646460/view/510718530665056369
>>541344308Arms too shortLegs too long and far apartIMO hands and feet not big enoughotherwise perfect
>>541344308looks like shit as usual/10
>>541344308>cris is in his post the same asset for a week without actually putting it into a game phase
>>541344323Your game looks cool, I'd try it.
>>541333806i look like this
I keep starting projects with idea guys after a fun brainstorming session but they steadily show less and less interest when I update them on the development process so I lose interest and then go back to my main project
>>541346209Obviously the ideas aren't very good if both you and the idea guys are losing interest. If the ideas were good enough for you to keep interest you should feel happy for the idea guys dropping out because then you get to keep everything for yourself.
>>541346493nta but nah, ideas guys are worthless. they have a new idea every morning they wake up and forget about the previous one.
>>541346493One of the ideas is pretty damn good, just has one big hurdle that I need to jumpThe other one could end up generic if not handled well
>>541346617You only believe that because you've only worked with idea guys who have bad ideas. I've been fortunate enough to work with a few random idea guys who have given me good ideas for free.
>>541338519I'll do itYou'll see
>>541338698>>541339282>>541339810>>541343238thanks!
>>541344308you need to unlock the back side of your brain
>32 reviews alreadycrab lizard posting xisters...
>>541343665>you just get sorted into PC, console or mobile by your genetics, and therefore the type of games you play is an immutable characteristicthis is literally what happens
>>541346209when the initial dopamine from the excitement runs out ideaguys escape because they have no spine for the actual work that has to be donethat's why they're called ideaguys or nodevs
>>541350627you're a Hufflepuff gamer, and I'm a Slytherin gamer.
fuelcost is calculated realtime instead of fixed, i didnt wanna do any matrix stuff to calculate itinstead it takes the truck and marker pos in 2d and runs it through a silly formulacrisis avertedalso why two threads you retards
>>541351579>also why two threads you retardsYou know why you retard
>>541351579>cris is avertedno he isn't
>>541351000I wouldn't mind idea guys running off if they actually had good ideas
>>541351915getting to a point where you have good ideas requires doing some actual dev which is why they don't have good ideas
>>541351915game ideas are a process and require reiteration throughout the entire practical development process. If someone drops an idea in your lap that's only 30% of the idea.
>>541352109>>541352305Very good point
