>Thoughts on Divinity: Original Sin 2?
Haven't played but I want to bone the skeleton guy

>>541324710
Was nice to see Swen trying to actually flesh things out but really did not like the changes to combat mechanics. I do very much like having all areas be designed properly and not randomly generated.

>>541324710
garbage

Run from it, dread from it
But magically inept fighters will always play second fiddle to the glorious and tremendous wizards. To keep up the fighters need to use magic items anyway. What a shame

>>541326041
Imagine a class so pathetic it needs a magic spell to open a locked chest when Joe the fighter can just smash it open

>>541326408
>when Joe the fighter can just smash it open
If the game lets you, how many CRPGs really let you just smash things instead.

>>541323314
Did that but they aggro the enemies just accross the way and make it worse.

>>541326650
Are you using consumables? Don't hoard them. You get a lot through the game, and they're almost all low-level meaning they will never be as impactful as they are in the early game, and from mid-game on you'll just sell them all because they're basically worthless to actually use.
Post character sheet if you want, maybe you're missing something. I assure you that the entire game is viable with a rogue MC, but re-roll if you aren't having fun with the class.

>>541324710
>Thoughts on Divinity: Original Sin 2?
pretty fun, the ost is as good as the main plot is badly written but it was still an enjoyable experience

>>541324710
>Thoughts on Divinity: Original Sin 2?
it's okay but like all larian shit it tries just a little too hard to be cool. some good ideas in there smothered by cringe. better with extra class mods.

>>541326483
but prep casters are the worst in crpgs?

>>541327230
I do. i fire everything but they just spam fear and summons and everything is compete anarchy.

>>541324710
I liked the custom being the literal who amidst the companions being the important figures. Refreshing from the opposite.

>>541324710
>Thoughts on Divinity: Original Sin 2?
Stopped playing in fort joy twice
Simply couldn't enjoy
Perhaps its the party members, perhaps it's the armor system, I simply do not like it

>>541334652
This was my experience too. Got off the boat, went up towards the town and it just starts to unwind until I'm fully uninvested. Rarely happens with crpgs for me too, Larian really knows how to deflate a game.

>>541334973
I think that's just ADHD anon.

>>541335165
Doesn't happen with other games for me, even lengthy wordy ones like Owlcat's shit.

Do you think the admech and the 3 unrevealed companions for Dark Heresy will actually be good looking?

>>541337001
I hope its a man so waifufags kill themselves more

>>541337001
even if they were 10/10 space babes, do you really want to suffer the company of monstrous or ugly companions for 80 hours

>>541326483
You just bash chests in planescape in general

>>541337001
Even if they're good it's not going to salvage the Dark Heresy companion cast, it will 100% be a downgrade from RT no matter what. It's only getting worse with each new DLC for RT adding yet another companion, too.

>damn this chest is locked
>if all the screwdrivers in the realm hadn't been magically banished, we could take the hinges off
>oh well I better smash it and maybe break everything inside, nothing else to do

not my fault a rogue or a fighter wouldn't be stopped by a door but a wizard would

How do I rationalize picking Wenduag as a good aligned character? I don't want to suffer Lann the Cringe King in my party.

>>541338356
You do the same Camellia cope of "I can fix her" but you can't.

>>541338356
Just kick Lann out of the party early on

>>541338356
an ARMY of CANNIBALS?
are you out of your MIND?

How do I rationalize picking Ember as an evil aligned character? I don't want to suffer Cam the Cringe Queen in my party.

>>541338979
Your personal pet mindbreak project.

>>541338356
Why don't you just create a custom mercenary that actually fits what you envision as a solid party member? I swear people have no imagination and never try building their own team of guys, instead acting like they MUST take the prewritten NPCs at all costs. Tragic stuff.

>>541337658
I thought the WOTR cast was a downgrade overall, but still WOTR was the better game based on everything else.

>>541338356
Make a mercenary instead. Or take her with the justification that you'll only keep her as long as necessary and then kick her out the moment she acts up.
>>541339254
This. I've been having more fun in my recent WotR playthrough just replacing companions I don't like with ones I make myself, with a backstory I've come up with. I do miss on some companion missions but I've also come to realize that when I really don't like a companion I view their quests as a chore 9 times out of 10 anyway, so I'm not missing out on anything.

>>541338979
You have a soft spot for her

>>541339254
>heh why do you even recruit prewritten characters when you can just imagine the banter and character of a mercenary

>>541339660
It's especially pointless if you're doing a replay since you've already seen the prewritten NPCs content anyway, so there is absolutely zero reason to take them all over again.

>>541339761
NTA but I just get varying degrees of put off or irritated with some companions. I don't like how quirky Woljif comes across for instance, so his banter just takes me out of the game instead of adding anything.

Would I prefer banter? Yes, but not if its so discordant from my tastes.

>>541339761
Correct. Imagining my fully custom built parties interactions is far more enjoyable and entertaining than seeing the badly written NPCs whose personality and character I don't even like interact with one another.

>>541339254
I don't want hollow non-characters in my party. I literally never hired one in 500+ hours of playing KM and WOTR.

I played Pathfinder, WotR and Kingmaker and Baldurs gate 3
I own Shadowrun, but for some reason I'm not 'vibing' with it
maybe it is just me, but it feels hard to get into

>>541339939
WotR companions are the worst cast of characters Owlcat has made so far, the only two that actually feel like they belong in the setting and on the adventure path are Regill and Daeran. I suppose Seelah as well, but she's so dull and uninteresting the fact she fits doesn't matter much.

>>541340047
Might as well go full retard and imagine you're playing a game in your head rather than playing one for real.

>>541340103
They're only "non characters" if you somehow don't have enough creativity and imagination to create more than a singular protagonist.

You guys would either make a ton of bland goonable waifus or stereotypical old school rpg boring companions. PASS

>>541340268
Isn't this what tabletop roleplaying games are?

I don't need to care about Ember or the spider or the succubus
I can just imagine better versions in my head

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>>541340268
I have to say I think it's funny that the idea of playing a CRPG with a fully custom party breaks the mind of many current CRPG players since the full custom party, rather than the singular protagonist with pre written NPCs, used to be the standard, and not the exception.

>>541340207
What about the DLC companion? Ul-something? I haven't tried any of the DLCs, but he looked kindof odd in the marketing, for a barbarian.

>>541340610
These games used to emulate the tabletop experience, now they're just emulating each other instead.

How many anons here have the ability to fully imagine an apple in their mind's eye?

>>541340592
Whats a better version of those 3.

>>541337001
Owlcat knows waifus sell, so there will be at least one hot chick

>>541340610
You sound like an old man crying that movies are now in color or that households used to have a landline phone

>>541340996
None of them

>>541340793
Do you create the characters that all the other players use when you play tabletop?

>>541340793
The classic degradation, people copy the copy instead of the original and it just continues to snowball piece by piece and people forget the original altogether over time.

>>541340464
tabletop is fun because you're interacting with the GM's vision, imaging half-baked stories in your head all by yourself is equivalent to playing with dolls. it's just a sad sight

>>541341207
You sound like a guy whose mind is so crippled he can't imagine his own party of characters and needs pre written, canned banter to feel like he's engaging with something. Pathetic.

>>541341612
Things evolve
Things change
If you don't evolve you stagnate
RPGs didn't peak with Icewind Dale 2

>>541338356
CHADzata "I can fix her" of course.

>>541341515
I mean you're playing with dolls regardless, so I don't see your point, since the only difference would be playing with the dolls you made or the ones handed to you by someone else.

>>541341814
>RPGs didn't peak with Icewind Dale 2
Citation needed.

>>541341441
The GM sets the tone and expectation for the game, so they're guided towards something that'll fit either the campaign or setting.

Also, I only play tabletop with friends or people I know who tend to have similar tastes by virtue of being friends. We're not all alike, obviously, but no one is so out of step and if they were subtle social pressures tend to bring them in or it gets more easily ignored by virtue of being friends.

>>541342445
Does each player create their own character or does one player create characters for the whole group?

I hope Owlcat do something about agility in Dark Heresy. Its too strong of a stat in its current form.

>>541341963
no, as a player the only doll you play with is your character. other players have their own and most (if not all) of the fun comes from them interacting with each other.
since these are singleplayer games, companions are supposed to fill that void

>>541342615
Everyone creates their own character, obviously, the GM creates all the NPCs. You know, like a normal tabletop campaign.

>>541342924
I just don't see the point, especially on replays, taking along prewritten, static NPCs that offer nothing, rather than creating my own band of adventurers with their own backstories. I cannot understand why you find it hard to see that doing so is a fun way to play a CRPG.

>>541342931
So the most accurate to tabletop method would be to have the player only create one character rather than an entire party?

>>541343351
In most cases, there are some game types where you might create minions but sure.

I do see what you're saying but these games are still originally intended to emulate the tabletop experience. In the cases of old Bioware games you were encouraged to play multiplayer and in games before then they were single player due to limited technology (though there were a handful of off-brand ones where you did party recruitment but everyone was voiceless like a mercenary would be in most of those, to my memory).

>>541343597
I mean Black Isle games. Forgot Bioware didn't do Icewind Dale, just same engine.

>toybox bugged and keeps giving me crits on every attack
Fucks sake. I just wanted to skip skill checks not make combat even easier.

>>541344917
There's a crusade management mod that also does the skill check thing from an ingame menu instead of toybox, could try doing it through that instead.

>>541343597
I do agree that having multiple custom characters works in multiplayer, but I prefer the DOS2/BG3 approach of having premade companions if you don't have enough players to make a full party rather than just having one character create an entire party if they're playing alone.

>>541308294
>>541308294
Okay, I haven't got any answers for this, so, alternatively..does anyone know how to add Echo of Deskari keys through toybox?

I only have one because of fucking course it turned out i was supposed to wait aaall the way until you got Yaniel (which I had no way of knowing) so I can bring her to kill Minagho to get a key, and then there's something about a "secret stash" which i just straight up fucking cannot find anything about. The last one was with Berenguer and now I just can't even talk to him to tell him to go.

>>541345126
I'm playing RT not WoTR.

>>541345408
I like both. I suggested in one of the other posts further up that I do prefer having banter if its available, I just also don't think its unfun to do it the other way and its a fine replacement to companions that don't fit.

I think to better explain my position on these characters I should say that when I dislike Woljif I'm not thinking to myself "man this guy is dumb, I'd hate his company" because if I were I'd probably be fine with keeping the character. Instead its more along the lines of "why did the writers put this kind of character in?"

This also makes it different from the tabletop examples that were made. Nevermind the points already presented, if a friend at the ttrpg table makes a silly character I'm more willing to look passed that in a friend at a gaming night compared to a character in a narrative product I paid money for.

Solasta has the right idea, make 4 mercs and pick their personality.

Solasta flopped

>>541346458
If thats true then why are they making a second one.

>>541346603
You know when a gambler loses once then doubles down and starts betting the car?

>>541346408
Solasta was the ugliest CRPG ever made though, so anything good it did was irrelevant since it causes physical pain to look at the screen while playing it.

>>541346408
But I can't imagine the mercs having a dolly romance

>>541346458
Any financial reports to back that up?

>>541346889
Why?

>>541346889
What, you never played the Sims?

>romance
Bioware and biodrones have done irreparable damage to the rpg space. Masterpieces like troikas Arcanum didn't need that gimmicky crap.

>>541347141
>>541340996

>>541347274
Sex with Vergil however?

Idk why Solasta's character models are so ugly, the enviroments look decent.

>>541347335
Imagining an apple isn't hard. Creating a basic backstory as to why my Half-Elf female Wizard who has spent most of her life as a recluse as an apprentice studying all the time is having the time of her life adventuring with my Dwarf Ranger who has spent two centuries hunting and killing all manner of dread beasts, and is now teaching her about that, and everything else. Their relationship started when he got her to take a dip in a hot springs with him after their first successful adventure. I came up with that in about 30 seconds, again not seeing how this is hard.

>>541347678
Not romanceable or sexable in the base game.

Imoen owes me sex.

>Idira has been summoning "Theodora" on the middle decks whilst being drunk and promises not to do it again like that's enough to make up for the multiple daemons or the crew she randomly turned into mutants
>Yrilet gets you sent to Cumrag even after you help her out
>Marazhai is a drukhari so nuff said
>Argenta killed Theodora on a whim and brings it up in passing like its no big deal
Why are so many of RT's companions kill on sight tier? These people are liabilities and not people you would want in your crew.

>>541348364
who gives a fuck about some crew proles?

>>541348364
then kill them
why would you want contrived reasons for keeping them around

>>541348364
Argenta was completely justified in killing Theodora, and she doesn't bring it up "in passing" she brings it up because her faith is wavering due to the pressures of being in Commoragh and she's felt guilty all the time about not coming clean and admitting she laid waste to a filthy Heretic as the Emperor intended.

>>541347815
I like your characters' backstories more than some of the default options.

>>541348745
>Casually ignores how she killed another guard as well because she immediately open fired at Theodora
Heh

>>541348364
Argenta did not kill Theorodra on a whim, and she did not casually bring it up like it was no big deal. Why is everyone around here so bad faith in everything they say?

>>541349070
Collateral damage is an unavoidable part of war and combat. Mort should be thankful he died a loyal servant of the Emperor instead of living to become corrupt like Theodora.

Is there any way I can have a twink shepeard in Mass Effect trilogy?

>>541348421
Isn't caring about those people the entire point of the Iconoclast conviction? I honestly think Iconoclasts have just as much justification to kill Idira as Dogmatics do, as a result.

>>541348745
She didn't even know for sure Theodora was a heretic, she saw her fucking with a glass and immediately shot her. Theodora had it coming but at the moment Argenta had basically no proof whatsoever aside from a gut feeling not to mention RT's are allowed to get away with certain bullshit as long as it serves the Imperium. Heinrix can use the heretic computer to determine the future in his quest and doesn't get killed by Argenta either so she's a complete liability because she cannot even follow her own tenets most of the time. Do you really want someone in the party who could just go "muh heresy" and run into your room to try and kill you?

>>541348364
Wheres Cassia she makes people kill themselves
>we need a n-navigator
Uh the game gives you one regardless.

>>541348364
>Argenta kills a Rogue Trader who has fallen for chaos and who threatens an entire sector with corruption
>errrm? She didn't ask for permission???

>>541341207
>or that households used to have a landline phone
They still do

>Argenta was completely justified in killing Theodora
No she wasn't theodara was completely acting within her rights thanks to the warrant of trade and argenta should know this since she is appart of the scholar branch of the sisters. She doesnt immediately admit what she did because she knows she is wrong.

>>541349479
>twink in the dudebro xbox era
Mods but I doubt anyone made any

what they say
>she's dangerous
what it really means
>she won't offer sex so you look the other way

>>541349673
>Didn't know for sure
She was channeling the power of the Warp through the artifact, that gets you a blamming with no questions asked. There is no scenario in which a SoB would not shoot Theodora there, or really any loyal servant of the Imperium. And yes, I would rather have loyal servants of the Imperium in my retinue who would immediately kill me if I started to fall to Chaos, since that's what I'd deserve.

>>541345527
>Act 4 angel quest
Literally nothing. You have one (1) fight against a dude who isn't even hard and that's it.

You don't even get to slaughter the fleshmarket, which is really stupid given you're an angel.

>>541346153
I completely understand not recruiting a companion because you don't like them (in my own playthrough of WOTR I didn't recruit Ember because I had the feeling I wasn't going to like her and from what I've heard about her I was right and I also never found the rogue guy) but I can't say I've ever disliked enough companions to such a degree that I'd rather recruit mercenaries than use a full party of them.

>>541350094
Argenta flat out tells you the reason she doesn't admit to it right away was because she wanted to see if you were just as corrupt and heretical as Theodora was before she put her cards on the table. That's perfectly sensible.

>>541347971
You could imagine that you can have sex with him during that one orgy.

>>541350256
That's you though. I can totally see playing with a full custom party in games with atrocious and irritating companions like BG3 or WotR. Not everyone is going to put up with trash like that.

Nobody cares about what Argenta did. Just if she's kissable.
Can't even give Kibbles away for being a weak pskyer, waifu privileges.

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Is Solasta worth it if I just want a DnD vidya experience with friends? Though I hate that they locked most content behind DLCs, having to pay just to unlock the dragonborn race and a few more classes. The base game looks barebones enough as is while the whole collection is being priced as if it was made on a triple A budget

>>541350664
>Is Solasta worth it
No. Do not do that to your eyes.

>>541350170
So how come she lets Heinrix do sacrifice all those people at Kiava Gamma to predict the future? That is straight heresy compared to channeling the warp in a glass. She walked in the room and shot Theodora despite knowing the warrant allows some degree of freedom and tries to cover up the murder.
>>541350350
No she doesn't admit to it because she's a liar and knows she did something bad. She will actively hide it the entire game if you don't take her to Cumrag even if you are a pure dogmatic player. The fact of the matter is Argenta should at the very least have been put on trial for what she did but her write was too lazy or incompetent to do that so we get a throwaway line with no follow through.

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>>541350094
You are wrong and this has been explained half a dozen times in this thread, probably to you.

The warrant does not protect outright heretics. If an imperial citizen witnesses you conducting a chaos ritual or worshiping chaos, they will shoot you on the spot. What Argenta found when she entered Theo's quarters was that Theo went into private in order to consult the shimmering glass artifact during a crisis. Heretics were storming the ship and she found Theo activating a chaos artifact. So she reacted the way her training honed her to react and she placed a bullet right into the threat's head. The fact that Mort didn't know any better and was still loyal to Theo so moved to protect her is regrettable and that is the part that Argenta feels guilty about later on. Mort, not Theo, is what Argenta feels guilty about.

You're also wrong as to the reason she didn't tell you at first. You are Theo's heir and relative and she wasn't sure if you could be trusted. She stuck around for a while to get a feeling for you and see if she needed to kill you too, but when she's satisfied you aren't a heretic and that you had nothing to do with what Theo was doing, she decides to tell you what she did, and tells you about her grief over Mort.

I understand that speedreading is a hobby in this thread, but the number of times this exact thing has to be explained over and over again here is wild.

On the last episode of this same conversation:
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>>541351092
>So how come she lets
Bro are you serious? It's Owlcat, your companions don't react to the innumerable Heretical actions your own character takes, that's not a flaw of Argentas character, that's just Owlcat failing to put in sensible reactions throughout the game.

>Put on trial
For what? Theodora really was a Heretic, and Argenta is a SoB, who kills those on sight. The only thing a trial would do is reveal to everyone what Theodora actually was which would reflect very poorly on the Von Valancius line as a whole.

>>541350521
To be honest, if you hate all the companions to that significant of a degree, you should probably play another game with characters that you like more.

>>541351530
Why? If I like the general game why should I play something else simply because of the companions, who I can easily replace?

>>541349479
There are custom femsheps and on reddit someone made a furry shephard, maybe there's a mod for your limp-wristed fantasy too.

>>541351464
owlcat makes very mediocre games at best

>>541351698
Personally I wouldn't play a game if I disliked most of the characters. If you really like BG3/WOTR gameplay then I can get where you're coming from though

>>541350256
Its not all companions I feel that way about, but a lot of them yeah. I do like Camellia, Wendaug and Regill but they can be a little harder to justify on a good playthrough.
>>541351530
There aren't enough crpg options to be picky, I'd end up just playing the same old games over and over.
The base game is still fine, its just stuck in a place where I wish it were better but I have to make do. In the past mods were more plentiful, and I'm not counting that Wokeless mod because its not quite what I'm looking for either, but it'd be nice if there were an overhaul like that that wasn't stuck on culture war/politics, just on good taste or quality writing instead. Hell, even BG1 and 2 have a clutch of mods that add new content, and those games were fine on their own, in their time.

In the meantime there's mercenaries though, and the creativity to make them work without companion quests and banter.