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Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!

/sthg/ #8705 - Boating Edition

==NEWS==
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Accolades Trailer
https://youtu.be/C6BSu_x0gcE

>Sonic Dash - McLaren Event Trailer
https://youtu.be/elw3Ktdu8Hc

>SAGExpo 2025
https://www.sagexpo.org/

>Mobile card game Sonic Blitz
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-blitz-apk

>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayed
https://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay

>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/

==Comic Release Dates==
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary - 22 October 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 19 November 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 17 December
Sonic the Hedgehog #84 - 14 January 2026
Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 28 January 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 4 March 2026

==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==
https://rentry.org/sthglinks
>/sthg/ OP template:
https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate
>Milestone pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4
>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet
>Perfect System Collection:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection
>Sonic comic scans:
https://grabber.zone
https://tails.kicks-ass.net/
>#10000 Project
https://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru
>/sthg/ booru:
https://sthg.booru.org/
>/sthg/ OCs:
https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/
>/sthg/ CyTube:
https://cytube/r/sthg
>/sthg/ Pixels:
https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg

Previous Zone: >>541757609
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Maria deserved to die because she was a coalburner
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I THINK SONIC SUCKS
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>>541804547
STOP BEING MEAN TO MY ONLY PERSONALITY TRAIT!!!
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>>541795056
>alien machine touching her boob
lel
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>>541804794
My wife. My beloved.
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>>541804832
Tails is so lucky....
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Real!
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>>541804832
she's bigger than Rouge
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So, do you think Green Amy is gonna get some silly explanation in IDW like how Sally had a silly explanation for her multiple colors in Archie?
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How badly would you fold if this woman made a pass at you at the bar?
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>>541805052
>No thanks, hag.
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Who here knows how to handle the curves like an expert?
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>>541804990
I fucking hate barafags
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>>541805052
I would get Straighter
"Yeah I bet you wo-"
Like a card dumbass
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>>541804794
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When you play the classic games, do you use the jap or west releases?
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>>541804974
No.
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Dream!
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Every episode of AOSTH has a Sonic Sez segment connected to the actual plot of the episode. For some reason, Breezie's episode has a segment about consent. Every other Sonic Sez has a very clear connection to teach kids about what might be dangerous from the episode, but they decided that warning kids about handsy strangers was what needed to be reflected on in the Breezie episode.
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>>541805202
Why the fuck would I play the JP release? There's literally no difference for the classics, is there?
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>>541805202
I literally never had a choice.
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Trans woman is the best player in Crossworlds
Why isn't it (you), anon?
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>>541805052
>attractive mobian woman
It was over for me before it even began.
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>>541804193
Not gonna lie, her speed ability (boating) sucks.
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>>541804193
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>>541805369
I'm not high on cocaine or meth.
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>>541805369
I don't play Kartslop.
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>>541805369
I only tryhard in fighting games
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>>541805313
>Cream decides she's going to take Shadow by force
>thinks that only amounts to kissing (on the cheek)
>Shadow thinks the same
>panics about getting pregnant
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Douge
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>>541804193
Marine is cool
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>>541805052
no thanks grandma
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Takashi Iizuka Says Next Sonic Game Will Deliver “A New Experience to the Players”

https://sonic-city.net/2025/10/07/takashi-iizuka-says-next-sonic-game-will-deliver-a-new-experience-to-the-players/
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>>541805898
>It's more Boostslop
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>>541805737
Cute N Canon!
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>>541805369
people sexually and biologically confused indeed play games
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>>541805898
That's Iizuka's usual corporate speak.
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>>541805052
>your daughter here?
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Is pretending Knuxouge is dead the shadougefags' new cope? I know the fact that even the year of Shadow couldn't revive their ship must have been hard to swallow but it's no reason to be delusional.
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>>541805993
>Sonic shouldn't go fast
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>>541805369
>>541806105
Once again, autism is a helluva drug.
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'ge
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>>541806230
year of Shadow had no shadouge. it was very shadria pilled
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>>541805369
If I was best player, the best player would still be a trans woman.
Also I'm waiting to get a Switch 2 to start seriously playing the game.
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I bet the top crossworlds player is also an idw fan
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Sonic died with the Dreamcast
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SEGA and Sonic Team both refuse to acknowledge any of their target demographic's wants.
>6-12
Literally want Sonic.exe edgy horror where Sonic kills the whole fucking cast. Have gotten baby toddler shit no one asked for.
>18-45
Have been screaming about bringing back Adventure Style for eons, but keep being handed boostslop.
>women
Literally want shipping material, but due to recent changes and censorship. They are also unhappy

Who the fuck is this fucking series even for now?
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>>541806245
Disingenuous.
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>>541805369
>autistic neet with mental illness is best player
And this is a surprise to anyone how??????
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>>541806534
For who it's always been for, newcomers who do not know any better.
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>>541805052
>>"y-you too."
>cum in my pants
>crawl into a ball
>begin to cry
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>>541806747
Maybe that's why the Crossworlds player numbers have been on the fucking floor...
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>>541805052
Begone from my sight roastie
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>>541806513
She is, unfortunately.
>>541806534
Japanese game devs are out of touch with the target audience.
That said, I'm glad the women aren't being catered to. The ships they like (Sonadow) are out of character trash.
Now if it was good pairings like Tailamy getting pandering, then I'd be for it.
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https://sonic-city.net/2025/09/22/sonic-racing-crossworlds-finally-gives-silver-the-spotlight-he-deserves/
>Instead, ever since his debut in the infamous Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Sonic Team has struggled to find meaningful ways to use him.

I can't believe people are still gaslighting themselves about Silver.
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After seeing this, remembering my favorite part of OG OG archie was sonics final battle with original kintober and Dr Deep being my favorite of the chaos council i realized something. I really like it when eggman personally throws down, I dont know what it is, it feels like such a treat to see that big ass big fisted basterd start swinging.
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>>541806534
and a grown-ass man with his priorities together will play fucking SONIC?!?!!?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
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>>541806941
>Japanese game devs are out of touch with the target audience
They cant even seem to make a game even they like. Just fucking give up and hand it to a new team at this point
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>>541807060
You have to be 18 to post here, and if you are, that applies to you too. Faggot.
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>>541806414
What about the Amy comparison ?
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>>541807007
Like this shit is so fucking fun he should do this more often, just beat the shit out of these little furry fuckers himself.
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>>541804974
Super Amy will be green
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Imagine not playing Sonic games on PC
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>>541807245
NOBODY HERE has their priorities straight, understand? Fucking faggot
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>>541807016
Is that pink rat sleeping or dead?
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>>541804547
*gets sucked
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>>541807549
That's clearly the case with you, yeah.
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>>541807408
it's like a grumpy old ass man beating the shit out of cartoon characters
>isnt that exactly what it is?
yeah but not one to one since egghead us cartoony himself
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>this actually threatens sonamybesties for some reason
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>>541806230
Who's more toxic and detrimental to discussion, Rouge shippers or Blaze shippers?
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>>541807370
And the ending to Shadgens?
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>>541807738
Sonamy will never be canon and neither will Sonurge.
If Surge was to get with anyone, it would be her life-long companion and best friend.
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>>541807605
yeah...
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>>541807872
>Sonurge.
Surge is already inspired by Sonic in the pic YOU chose
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>>541807738
Sonic's wife.
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>>541807865
Man, Shadow Gens is more kino than we deserve.
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>threatens
Sonic is not that serious lol
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>>541805898
>Takashi Iizuka Says Next Sonic Game Will Deliver “A New Experience to the Players”
>https://sonic-city.net/2025/10/07/takashi-iizuka-says-next-sonic-game-will-deliver-a-new-experience-to-the-players/
That's been the problem since the 90s, you fucking retard.
Instead of iterating on something stable, you put out 1, maybe 2 games, then throw everything out and start from scratch with something you don't have the time or the budget to actually finish and polish before Christmas
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>>541808053
smoll hog
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>>541807016
*pokes with stick*
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so does eggman always lose to magical artifacts mainly the emeralds?
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We are Surge heroes!
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>>541805993
If they were smart, they'd gradually phase out the boost over multiple games
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>>541807989
She isn't. She's being inspired by people praising her since she's an egotistical attention whore.
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>>541808134
Marine...
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>>541807886
Extremely kissable pink rat.
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Sonurge is already popular, nobody cares about Kiturge
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>>541808245
I don't even mind boost, so long as you fucking earn it like you did in Rush, through tricks. It would help Sonic from feeling as fucking stale and corporate as he feels right now.
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Reminder Evan redeemed Scourge in her fanfic lol
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>>541808097
We are talking about shippers here anon, to them their ship is really serious business, to the point that they will sperg out to other shippers because their ship is superior. It's sad really, since of course none of these ships will ever become canon
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>>541808421
I care about Kiturge. It's in-character.
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>>541807738
We survived archie. This tranny magnet oc is nothing new.
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>>541806187
Based. Only case of characters where I’m down for oyakodon. Imagine falling asleep between them. Fluffy wool and soft breasts on both sides.
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>>541808245
I think boost would work fine as one of several gameplay styles ala Adventure. Problem is Sega always fucks up the other gameplay styles.
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>>541808553
No it's not you retard
>>541808647
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>541808776
Yes it is. Kit and Surge love and look out for each other.
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>>541808553
They're like siblings.
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>>541808421
I don't care about shipping but wow man, this really shows how insecure you are. I hope this isn't just you screenshotting your own post since that would be more pathetic
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>>541805052
Burst into tears from positive female attention
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>>541808227
>Surge, Kit, and Starline as a Heroes trio
What would their story even be?
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half of my stories i told in this general was made up
didnt happen
i made them up for (you)s
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>>541808893
Surge and Starline can't be in the same place. Surge's brain will melt
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>>541808878
Stay mad
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>>541808421
Dual, Xitter isn't the entire population of Sonic. No one fucking knows who Surge is.
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>>541808845
They aren't siblings. They're both abuse victims.
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>>541808910
I forgive you anon.
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Why doesn't Dualfag just admit he self-inserts as Sonic and wants to fuck Surge?
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>>541808983
I am not mad, I find this pretty pretty funny if anything but I guess I was right, huh? Damn that's sad
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>>541808985
>No one fucking knows who Surge is.
This is such a cope right now. Surge is one of the main CHARACTERS in IDW. Fans either know who she is or they don't even know who Gemerl or Gamma are.
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>duofag gets a meager following
>still comes crawling to /sthg/ for validation
lol
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>>541809142
Gamma was in the games. Nobody but left-wing Xitteroids read IDW.
Also, I'm sure most of the those likes are on the account of the sexy solo image of Surge, you'd see the same amount for Surgamy.
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I want to insert my self into cream
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>>541809275
I don't need that, but there other dozens of Sonurge and Surge artists who gets tons of thousands of likes, she's very well known and liked in general.
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>>541807856
Rouge shippers are mostly concerned with shadow and knuckles and stay indifferent to everyone else. Blazefags want the entire cast wiped out except for her, sonic and cream because they weren't old enough to play sonic Advance 3
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>>541807990
Anon's trophy wife*
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>>541809340
I want to insert you in to a wood chipper
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>that silver anon commissioned silver x duo and didn't even post it here
Man, why are you denying us such kino
https://files.catbox.moe/5is3dc.jpg
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Do you ever had a character that you really liked but other people ruined them for you? I always liked tails but after seeing what happens in this thread I don't even bother saving pics of him or try to have proper discussions about him. The same is happening with Surge for me right now, I can't talk about her without the one shitposter making it a shipping thing
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>>541807738
I just find your desperate attempts of validation amusing.
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>>541809315
"Gamma was in the game!" You're so fucking stupid you can't even see past your own bias for the shitty games. Nobody cares about Gamma, nobody makes fanart of Gamma, Gamma has no ships. Gamma is lucky to be mentioned. People talk about Surge every day. It's not even close. But you're so obsessed with the games you can't admit when a character from your precious games isn't that popular
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>>541809536
letting faceless mongrels on the internet spoil your enjoyment is a testament to your weak character. master yourself.
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>>541809452
>Blazefags want the entire cast wiped out except for her, sonic and cream
Funny because I can do heavily without Blaze and Cream like the franchise has post-2000s.
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>>541808421
>ai
Because no one with talent would touch this
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>>541809452
Hey, I'm an all-around Dimpsbab, I love Advance 3.
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>>541808878
You know it's him lol
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>>541809536
That's pretty much every character in this franchise really for me. Just enjoy the character as they are by yourself, it's much better
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I understand Surge, Violet doesn't
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c'mon, do something cool
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shipping you say...
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>>541808776
>What the fuck are you talking about?
By 2030, the comic will end and surge will be permavaulted like sticks is
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>>541809676
Gamma has more value than your shitty knock-off Scourge can ever hope to dream. Enjoy her legacy of shipping fodder like the fucking cat is reduced to.
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sex
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>>541809676
>Gamma has no ships
SHIPPER DETECTED, DESTROY WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE
*insert Omega face here that I'm too lazy to look for*
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>>541807738
>out of nowhere
Ragebait is obvious.
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>>541809957
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>[/spoilee
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>>541809676
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXIxWdAST6M
The best surge got was a kh3 mod that got canceled
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>>541809986
Shadouge is dead; Shadow will only ever love Maria.

Knuxouge will die once they start caring about Knuckles again.
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>anon posts Sonurge to bait sonamybesties
>all of them fall for it
Sonurge > Sonamy indeed
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Sonurge is ass. Why would Sonic waste time playing therapist for a third-rate crook he is not equipped to help and does not want his help. Would it not betray his free-spirited nature to become this involved.
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Wow there is such a sonamy melty in this thread, they can feel sonurge growing more powerful
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>>541810254
Holy moly
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>>541810365
>admits it
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>>541810407
Chill out Amy
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>>541810334
what would he be? a rabbit?
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>>541810362
So you are saying the era of Sonouge is upon us?
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>>541809536
No. The character I most care about is Amy, and the more shit I get for it, the more radicalized I become.
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We get you're bored and have nothing to do with your lack of validation in life but go back to Xitter and stay there.
>>541810526
According to your circle on Xitter Amy's her girlfriend too.
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>>541810407
>Anon has never heard of a tsundere
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>>541809950
>I self insert as Sonic, Violet doesn't.
You're right, I self-insert as Surge.
I want to cuddle Kit.
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People think Sonic would fuck someone who wants to kill him .
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>>541810652
>Why would Sonic waste time playing therapist for a third-rate crook he is not equipped to help and does not want his help. Would it not betray his free-spirited nature to become this involved.
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>>541810526
It's actually Nine. He's the Sonic yandere now that Amy calmed down.
>>541810652
I like the idea of this ship but it really falls apart when you bring up Sonic needing to a role model. They'd permavault Rouge once parents start asking why is Sonic flirting in front of little Timmy.
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I do think it's funny that the only IDW character people seem to care about is the one that is getting shipped with the games cast. Even Sally had fans outside of Sonally.
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Explain this Tailsfags
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Sonic self-inserts will never fully understand Sonic.
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Origins sucks because no option to play S3 and S&K individually
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You dropped this
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>>541810759
Character. Development.
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Holy meltie, sonamybesties are still assblasted by Sonurge
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>>541810713
It was a shit idea in archie, and its a shit idea now
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>>541810863
>Even Sally had fans outside of Sonally.
Not really. Hell, that Blade of Courage edit infoboxes her as Sonic's girlfriend. She's shipping fodder too.
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He's necessary to fight the jpfag menace.
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>>541810968
Out.
Of.
Character.
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Black man's kickstarter finally got funded. Good for him.
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>>541807856
What else is there to discuss? Rouge and Blaze are not allowed to do things without Shadow/Silver.
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>>541810968
You could use this to literally justify any ship you want.

>>541811147
It is funny to learn this is FOR ONE ISSUE!
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>>541811006
No one but you has mentioned it. How's that free rent?
>hehe I'm baiting
Yeah, how's that free rent?
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>>541810879
It’s time for Sonic to take him out back and shoot him
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>>541809957
Why don't (You) do something cool for once!?
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>>541811090
You use the same faulty logic the Sonurge shippers do to justify Sonic X Cream. >>541810968
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>>541811040
>Blade of Courage Sally edits
What do the originals look like?

>>541811225
That's most kickstarters. Difference is this one doesn't have a bunch of porn covers.
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>>541811147
MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN DROGUNE, ENSOULED, AND AEONIAN RED.

IF PEOPLE LIKE THE OTHER IDW WRITERS WHY DO THEIR PROJECTS HAVE VIRTUALLY NO AUDIENCE?
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>>541809957
The last time I did something cool, I was SCOLDED
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sonamybesties will never have a moment like this. amy will never sit on sonic's lap.
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>>541811536
Enemies to lovers is so beautiful
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>>541810959
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>>541811380
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>>541811295
OOC slop ship.
>>541811404
I don't, though. My 'Sonic x Cream' is just that Sonic and Cream are cute characters who going on adventures together makes sense. I don't seriously see them as having a traditional relationship. Maybe friends with benefits if they're both of maturity and interested, but nothing more serious than that. Sonic is like the wind. Sonic will not commit to anyone.
I don't think of them as 'boyfriend and girlfriend', just 'friends who kiss'.
Maybe in a 'best case scenario' for the 'pairing', they end up a de facto couple due to having fun going on adventures so frequently and are co-habitating to the point of a de facto common law marriage, but nothing serious and certainly no formal wedding ceremony or officiation.
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when will we be able to talk about the best character in this franchise
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>how dare you make fun of my likes!!!
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>>541811649
Can you actually explain in detail what Sonurge fans get wrong or are you just biased?
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You have to forgive Sonurge fans. They are used to a comic that gets to write characters OOC at will.
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>>541811631
oh yeah thanks amy just smear your fucking slime trail ALL the way down the rail you fucking bitch
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>>541811631
God why is so breedable?
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>>541811631
imagine the skid marks
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>>541811501
Hey that's not fair. Ian tried very hard for his audience of seventeen people.
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>>541808421
Change Sonic to Amy and him to her, same results.
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>>541811778
That is not the Drogune centric patreon try again
>>541811704
He is doing extremely well in the poll.

http://allourideas.org/soniccharacters
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>>541811724
Surge hates Sonic.
Sonic would not be romantically interested in anyone since he's like the wind. He isn't interested in a 'pity case', that's for sure. Sonic has the heart of a boy and isn't interested in romance. He's a borderline aromantic character in canon.
Naoto Ohshima says that if he didn't have the 'heart of a boy', that being, his character trait that barred him from feeling romantic love, he would be eager to reciprocate Amy's desires.
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>>541811593
This AU is perfect
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>>541811927
He is into Amy. This is confirmed Evan Stanley said it.
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>>541811894
There was a Drogune centric patreon?
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How come /sthg/ doesn't play video games?
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>>541811972
This AU is based on underground. Underground is easily the worst Sonic show.
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why the fuck there are 70 THOUSANDS votes in this poll
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>>541811704
Okay, your opinion on Metal Overlord transformation(Heroes not IDWshit)?
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>>541812105
Each person can vote multiple times. There are 386 IIRC different voters
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>>541811991
>He is into amy. the sonamy shipper said so
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>>541812027
I have lived through the peak of every genre, gaming is boring nowadays with only 1 or 2 games that are good releasing yearly
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>>541812071
Underground sucks but the template of Underground has always been handy in fanon for some reason, even though it's utter nonsense.
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>>541809957
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Blaze is ugly and unmarketable
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>>541812170
She believes Sonic is aroace.
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>>541812027
I plan on playing through SA1 and 2 once I get a free moment
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>>541812202
It is handy because Sonic needs to be anti-wind to make all the characterizations work.
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>>541812071
Underground AUs annoy the shit out of me because they rarely remember that Sonia was a combatant and Manic wasn't and that Sonia was a bitchy moron while Manic was a hacker. Sonia is always the "Women the wiser" in AU shit.
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>>541812158
he's ugly
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>>541810785
I sure wish I could read the words
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West Derangement Syndrome
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>>541812219
all girls should have a butt attack, especially being cute and funny if it is someone like cream
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>>541812323
>Sonic needs to be anti-wind to make all the characterizations work.
It's the only one of the 3 DiC cartoons where Sonic doesn't care about having a girlfriend, also it has this line and is R*ndomfox approved!
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Reminder Knucklesfags destroyed this place and the community by way of Crashdow being a offshoot of Knuxdow posting
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>>541812732
How did Knuxdow lead into Crash?
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>>541812429
Hello fellow phonekek
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Amy's hammer was a brilliant concept to add to sonic gameplay and sonic team spent 25 years fucking it up
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Ghostbusters, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Inspector Gadget, and Spider-man and his Amazing Friends are all technically anime, because they are animated in japan.

Now that you know this you will not be able to unsee which clips just look like anime outright
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>>541812861
This but tarot cards
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>>541808421
I like Kiturge
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Chris Thorndyke needs more ships. Any ideas? I think he would be cute with Elise. They are identical sizes according to the wiki.
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3D Blast was my first Sonic game.
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>>541812831
The shitposter that started Crashdow posted Knuxdow in the same vein first.
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>>541812980
I remember back in the day you could always tell which western cartoon episodes were outsourced to Japan because they'd be really smooth looking. BTAS has some great examples
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4Uq9EKwK1fQ
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Sonic
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This is such an insanely good character moment. Fowler really nailed it. Why can't the movies be like this all the time?
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>>541812861
because it was meant to be a gag. hitting someone with a big hammer has always been a cartoon gag
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>>541811452
>What do the originals look like?
They look beautiful
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Silver
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>>541813170
>human feet
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>>541813389
Tails is such a fucking third wheel. It's clear they don't give a shit about him.
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Shadow
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combos and juggling is the way to make combat work in Sonic
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>>541813563
He's just a sidekick dude
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>>541813389
Schwartz Sonic sounds like a whiny faggot so I was unable to take his anger seriously. Does not help that Movienic is one of the least competent Sonics.
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Amy
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>>541813785
Combat should not last over three hits with enemies in Sonic, speedy platforming is the focus, not combos
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>>541813526
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>>541813950
cuckmy
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>>541813946
Sheer powerscaling (Movie Super Sonic casually warps reality and Base Movie Sonic can freeze time and has infinite energy) means he's the strongest version of Sonic
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hi
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Metal
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>>541813176
Cool
Which version
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>>541813439
all these characters are goddamn cartoons
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>>541808970
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>>541813563
It feels like Tails is only in the movies because he HAS to be the first Sonic character to be Sonic's friend. It's so obligatory. None of his character moments are good.
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>>541812861
>>541813439
The hammer jumps are fun in SA1
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>>541814310
YOU CAN'T FUCKING SAY THAT METAL!!!
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Rodents
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>>541814383
amy herself was meant to be a gag character roster fill and they started to take her seriously only recently. that's why they don't know what to do with her and end up bringing her boom persona in

>NWKYS
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>>541813003
the tarot cards could've worked as projectiles she threw, but sonic team fucked that up like they do with everything else and just used them to replace moves she could've done with her hammer
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>>541807865
>And the ending to Shadgens?
Rouge drinking Shadow's tears meant for Maria. It's shadria, not shadouge.
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>>541814249
the girl animations for this game are so cute..
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>>541809467
That's Slinger
and it was posted here >>540674629
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>>541814601
Fowler will lay the groudwork from here.
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>>541813162
perfect. the two characters who were so shit, they got humans banned from the franchise
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>>541814554
Beep boop sybau
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>>541807370
>comparing to a now watered down amy
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>>541814667
I adore them
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>>541814348
PC
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>>541814561
*Eulipotyphlans
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>>541814518
its tails, what do you expect really?
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>>541813993
Mald
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>>541814823
You understand
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>>541804193
looks better than crossworlds
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EXTRA THIC GATOR
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Which side games are worth playing?
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>>541814839
Year of Shadria.
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Crazy thought what if we got the guy who directed SA1 and SA2 to direct another game?
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>>541815129
Riders for sure
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>>541815401
Yuji Naka? well he no longer works for sega
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>>541815129
Candy Crush
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I love how this is designed to make it so that she kisses Sonic
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Why is Sally in Blade of Courage?
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>>541815401
You mean the guy who directed ShTH and NiGHTS:JoD?

No thanks
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>>541815401
Iizuka?
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>>541815091
Real? Asking for the anon below me
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>>541814725
but you made slingver already
why again you said you wanted something new
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>>541815526
Shadow the Hedgehog was great. Journey of Dreams was just too obsessed with being an adventure rather than highly replayable.
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Remember Trip?
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>>541815648
>Shadow the Hedgehog was great.
you didn't play it
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I love Tails so much. I like it when he finds a girl and she genuinely loves him. I like to imagine Tails and Zooey cuddle into a giant yellow cloud of fur whenever they spoon.
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>>541815693
Who?
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>>541814601
>amy herself was meant to be a gag character roster fill and they started to take her seriously only recently. that's why they don't know what to do with her and end up bringing her boom persona in
because they're fucking retarded and always have been. instead of letting amy embrace cartoon antics as her fighting style, they instead made sonic the gag character retard that everyone has to look after because no one actually gave a shit about him once shadow was introduced
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What is /sthg/ opinion of Metamy
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>>541815508
>trip
Why? Also I hate when the fans copy other artists. This was Amy's.
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>>541815741
Yes I did constantly.
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>>541815846
Works great for the classic pair. Modern Metal has been MIA for a minute
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>>541815846
the koreans make it kino, but other than that its cringe
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>>541815846
I like all the prickle Amy pairings.
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>>541815846
it has the kinoest art, also https://youtu.be/4MZNw-Y0dIY?si=HfiUB7CmeLYiU0th&t=259
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i thought aosth was supposed to be in-character windkino what the fuck is this
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>>541815741
Shth is great. might not be the best game ever but it's a gem
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>>541816158
the stars covering the entire level was such a horrendously bad artistic decision
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Why couldn't they release the game like this already?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwRHBOySqZs
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>>541816158
>Shth is great
you guys are actual clowns
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>>541816143
Sonic x Raccoon Waitress is the truest ship
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>>541816158
Listen man, I'm not going to say that Shadow the Hedgehog is the worst thing ever, but you have got to respect yourself and your time more for you to think that game is "great".
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I genuinely consider Shadow the Hedgehog to be the best game in the entire Sonic franchise
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>>541816489
What did Archimedes do to you?
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>>541815846
He's a robot. Unless Metal gets an organic body, it won't work.
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>>541815468
The Adventure games were directed by Iizuka
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i'll be having a good day, then i think of the super genesis wave and i get irrationally mad
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Damn not here
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>>541816640
Let people enjoy and praise what they like. They don't need to have the same thoughts and opinions as you
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Will he ever be topped?
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>>541814660
Even shatouge moments are shadria coded.

He's thinking of Maria when he saves Rouge in Sa2.
In Heroes he's got amnesia so he's still in protect Maria mode in the Team Dark opening.
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>>541817109
He got topped by a thwomp
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https://files.catbox.moe/flnvww.mp4
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>>541813389
Sure wish I could hear the video
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>>541816798
There's a strange amount of fanwork that involves Metal getting a synthetic skin
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>>541817109
Infinite will always be the biggest what if in the series for me. He could have been so good...
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>>541817339
Should have stayed on /fast/.
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>>541817514
But nobody would see it
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>>541817559
They would have if they stayed.
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>>541816385
the better question is why didn't they fix the act 2 music in act 1 bug in angel island, there's no way nobody noticed that
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>>541817109
topped by gadget btw
https://files.catbox.moe/n5ui6g.gif
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HOLY SHIT HES KILLING EVERYONE! FLYNN YOU MADMAN!
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>>541818424
I don't like Flying Frog's "Segafied" design in later archie issues. It just doesn't work. His original creepy design was fine even if it looks out of place in Sonic.
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Blaze scritches (sexual)
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>>541809536
I still really like Blaze despite how I wouldn't ever discuss or post about her here
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>>541817265
Kek, I forgot about that
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>>541809536
no but it's impossible to discuss certain characters in this general so i just post about my favorites (who happen to be non-controversial) instead
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I wanna talk about Sonic X Zeena or just Zeena, Indulge me
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>>541817183
look at this really great squash and stretch animation that they randomly forgot how to do for twenty years
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Have any good Wallpapers? This one's been my favorite for years.
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>>541818424
jesus flynn was just killing every one of penders story paths without mercy when he got his hands on archie sonic wasnt he?
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>>541817183
he's such a drama queen
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>>541811894
Stop shilling this poll.
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>>541819473
I mean the Destructix/Fearsome Four still got used later on and Naugus got way more prominence as a villain before the reboot happened
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>>541819473
Flynn gets deserved flak now, but this was understandable.
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>>541819465
>blue blur
>purple hedgehog
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You guys have to remember fans were cheering Ian on because he was destroying the shit they hated about Archie and making it more like the games. Nowadays that is a very low standard.

Imagine, right now if you please, if a windfag was put in charge of IDW. Imagine how many characters they would kill off and how many storylines they would shut down. It's the same thing.
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>>541819465
Basic answer but all the Sonic Channel ones are amazing
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if i was an IDW writer i would kill shadow and silver, cripple surge, strangle whisper, rape tangle and torture tails
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These are some fucking gem panels though
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>>541820130
all done by Sonic, presumably.
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>>541809536
Not ruined, but i'll like Blaze in silence so i don't push their greedy egos.
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>>541820130
you forgot amy, knuckles, lanolin, belle and kit
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>>541820278
all done by rudmy
sonic would head for eggman and have sex with jet
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>>541820874
She's warming your seat inside the vault next to her.
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>>541820874
this implies that she hasn't seen marine in a long time

shes probably dead
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>>541820649
My boy is NOT meant for being gay, he is the Legendary Wind Rider, not Sonic Rider
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Imagine Marine finally gets a voice and they ditch her accent because no blobian characters gave anything other than an American accent in the dub
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>>541821090
maybe he's not meant for being gay, but that fits regardless
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Aww this is a cute sonic
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What's he looking at?
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>>541821370
uranus

hehe
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>>541821117
Tell that to Irish the Hedgehog, nigger.
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>>541821370
your mother
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>>541820597
Well it's IDW, so while all the action is happening Knuckles remains stuck on his rock doing nothing as usual.
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>>541806230
No one's pretending knuxouge is dead. It is dead, copethrower.
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>>541821370
He's trying to find his chances of being an impressive character, it's dim but it does exist
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Sonurge will win. It's obvious to anyone who actually reads IDW
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>>541819473
From what I understand, the editor had a hit list that Flynn had to follow, on top of wrapping up loose threads.
At the very least, I know he didn't want to kill off Mecha, but had to.
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>>541821916
whoa this is sad. who killed knuxouge?
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>>541821213
>Me waking up to shitpost on /sthg/ every day.
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Tails is banned from ski jumping
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>>541821919
If you're gonna seethe at every sight of Tails then I would recommend leaving
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>>541822143
Donic
Rails
Ehadow
Amy
Muckles
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>>541822023
Honestly surprised Drago Wolf didn't get killed off
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>>541821832
At least he’s comfortable and getting the much needed rest
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A windfag writing for IDW would ruin the narrative in the name of authenticity
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>>541822057
who who who who who who who and whoooooooooooooooooo
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>>541822101
>BAIT-BAIT-BAIT-BAIT-BAIT
Ahh another beautiful day on /sthg/...
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>>541805898
He says this for every new game.
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>>541822187
I'm not being mean since I'm saying he can be an impressive character now that years of just holding the Miles Electric are in the past
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>>541822401
It's actually:
>BAIT-BAIT-BAIT-BAIT-BATE-BAIT

But you were close.
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>>541806959
>Sonic Team has struggled to find meaningful ways to use him.
How is this wrong.
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Shadamy is a very Japanese ship
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>>541805898
If they try to reinvent the wheel again instead of iterating on Frontiers' formula like everyone and their mother has been telling them to do I'll quit this series
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>>541822387
SOMEONE DIDN'T READ THE MANGA
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>>541822039
SoJ, who let it die in the crib it was born in. What somehow survived got curbstomped these past two years, starting with dream team which gave knuckles a new love interest.
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>>541822656
The fact you have to go this into detail to tell a joke kills any humor in it.
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>>541822507
Ok then
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>>541822039
The fact that Shade was approved to exist leads me to think Sonic Team did not take Knuxouge seriously at all, even if she ended up vaulted shortly after, they clearly put a lot of stock in that game being canon, especially when it's represented in the olympic games which otherwise only includes canon Sonic locations
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>>541822809
>I will protect far's the future
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>>541822057
ngl, I love joe adok's work. Definitely my pick for a 'hire this man, Sega!" choice.
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>>541818424
None of these characters were killed, they were being transported to a machine that would kill some of them, but not the ones on that page.
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>>541822809
Can Sage save Silver?
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>>541822878
No one would get this unless they were so deep into Japanese culture
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>>541822023
The editor originally wanted the comic to have a reboot of some sort and get rid of all the OCs, but Ian fought to keep most of them. It's pretty ironic since a reboot was forced to happen anyway due to legal shenanigans. If Ian just listened to the editor's original plan perhaps Archie Sonic would still be around, lol.
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>>541822985
I like everythingfags but they shouldn't work on the games
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>>541823127
no, she wants him dead
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>>541823336
why not?
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>>541823225
>Ian saves comic from being rebooted at first only for it to be forcibly rebooted later anyways which resulted in the comic's death and it's characters getting vaulted
Monkey paw lol
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>>541822375
IDW needs a Windfag to wipe the slate clean. Get rid of the Restoration for good and have the characters act more like their games selves by either ignoring their inconsistent characterization in past issues or have them go through pseudo-character development to make them act like they should or just flat out reboot the comic.
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>>541821035
No, it only implies that she isn't with her currently. As in, she's not in the game... I guess that confirms they have no intention of adding her
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Movie Knuckles > Game Knuckles
>But they turned him stupid!
so did the fucking GAMES
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>>541822387
That pic? The result of Blaze and Wave doing fusion! They're now Bwave the Catbird.
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>>541823428
Knowing everything about Sonic is not healthy. Instead of working on the games they should work on themselves
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>>541823646
Agreed honestly, even if Movie Knuckles is just Drax 2.0. JP Game Knuckles is completely washed
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>>541823815
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>>541823583
This is the reason windfags shouldn't work on IDW, they would tear apart everything IDWfags like and then what? Would the resulting comic win over the gamefag audience? Of course not. No windfag is going to actually enjoy reading 80+ issues of IDW just to get to the part they actually like, they'll just watch the cutscenes of SATBK again.
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Why is Boomggman so fucking jacked? Also I think this is unironically the best design he's ever had.
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Sonic met the Joker
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Tails!
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>>541824014
He just an egg that got turned upside down, ironically he's one of the least physically violent Eggmen.
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>>541824031
is the joker like 120 cm tall
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>>541823972
Archie fans did with Ian, so the same result would happen with IDW. The comic in it's current state is just accidental ragebait. There are already people who want characters like Silver to be portrayed more accurately after all that shit with Duo and Lanolin. So yes, bring on the Wind.
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>>541824014
I like Boom Eggman and I think he got the best of the redesigns alongside Amy. But I prefer Modern Eggman he just looks funnier

>>541824059
Best boy
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>>541823127
From what?
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If Tails had a new villain, would you want it to be a rival genius or instead someone who's all brute force and no brains to contrast plus make Tails have to beat him creatively?
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>>541823583
Windfags would just turn IDW into Blade of Courage and then we'd have two identical comics that nobody reads
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>>541823894
>The Ixis preparing a mobian soup
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>>541824256
Yeah because people love Blade of Courage sooo much right?
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>>541818341
Sonia with purple belly or skin belly?
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>>541824442
Blade of what now??
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>>541824292
The latter. The “rival genius” is Eggman
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>>541824256
>The comic in it's current state is just accidental ragebait.
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This is genuinely an incredible description of IDW. Every month the writers step on a trigger point of the fandom that they didn't realize existed because they spent so many years on Archie.
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>>541824292
Tails already has a rival. Speedy could act like a school bully figure trying to look cool.

There's also Kit as well, but they should become friends eventually
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>>541823583
The restoration can be a thing but we don't need to see how it works. Its the "Who fills up the batmobile?" kind of world building where going into detail just makes the setting feel bloated. Some mobians have a group that does relief effort for eggmans bullshit, boom, bam, throw it in the background and leave it there i wanna see sonic eat chilli dogs man. We don't need new characters to focus on and go on parties with, archie did that shit constantly and it was only acceptable (to me) when they were absolute semen demons like barbie koala, so unless you're throwing fat juicy tits in my face and not being annoying with their problems or feelings, focus on fleshing out the ACTUAL game characters you bitch.
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>>541824521
>The fanservice character is voiced by a man
why in the fuck did they do this
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>>541824442
>Seething about the manga out of fucking nowhere.
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>>541824292
We technically already have Eggman for the former and the Battle Kukku was a physical fighter, though he still had brains, o the latter, I guess.
Also, as >>541824585 mentions, Speedy was introduced as Tails' rival.
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>>541824724
Watch it in French.
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>>541824014
Because he was designed for the wii u game before it got attached to the shitty sitcom
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>>541823583
IDW needs to be more DBZ
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>>541824715
We're made to believe the artist is a girl?
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>ShTH be like
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>>541824832
>shitty sitcom
ay, fuck you nigga, I fucking love that show, alright. It's not canon, it's side material, and it's it's in its own lane at this point, there's no reason to hate the show unless you're a seething dickhead.
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>>541824843
What got me back into the sonic franchise after a long absence was footage of the sonic mods for dbfz
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>>541824585
Man, I wish the games still used Speedy and the Battle Kuku's. Honestly how Archie used them was quite fun and I think Tails getting some villains in the current era might help with the perception of him.being shafted.
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if blobians were real i would
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>>541822637
Silver is doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, people mistake their lack of enjoyment as lack of effort.
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>>541824792
>watches french intro
Aleena's voice is kinda...
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>>541822656
>Shadamy is a very Japanese ship
It is, also Shadaria is Japanesier.
In fact, there's a very strong argument that it is the Japanesiest of all ships in the franchise.
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>>541824792
Why is the french singer of Sonic underground going so hard
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>>541824756
I loved Battle Kukku being so busted in Archie, with him demolishing the Babylon Rogues in a 1v3, Ixis Naugus getting git punched by him and just being an all around menace despite still being goofy.
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>>541824271
Tails has the best Boom redesign! Well they barely changed him lol, they just gave him a cute alternate outfit, it doesn't really count.
I used to dislike Eggman's redesign at first, but at this point it doesn't really register anymore, I just see separate character or alternate universe thing and that's it. The Boom cartoon managed to gain its own appeal

>>541824442
Yes? Blade of Courage is cool

>>541824292
I'd rather see the existing rivals get used more
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>>541825131
>>541825175
You're welcome. It weas made in France or by a French animation studio iirc. It's the native audio.
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>>541825165
SHADOW IS BROWN???????????
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>>541825165
nobody cares about please save the earth
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>>541825256
>Blade of Courage is cool
Because?
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>>541825459
Always has been.
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>>541822656
>umm uhhh the moon is nice
>I want to die
What is wrong with the japs?
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>>541824585
>>541824756
>>541825228
Sounds like you guys just want Archie and don't really care about these villains since you're using their comic versions as reference.
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>"I fucked yo BITCH, she wasn't allat"
Holy shit Scourge is a fucking menace lol. He beat that pink pussy up and then shit talked it.
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>>541822778
Even if it was true, Knuxouge being dead doesn't make Shadouge any less forgotten, it's obvious they gave up on it completely after 06 since they do not even bother teasing it anymore. It's time to accept that both ship will never lead anywhere.
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>>541825063
I haven't read Archie but I'm not a fan of Speedy's design (though I understand why it looks like that because the only official piece of Speedy artwork up to that point didn't make it clear how his torso looked). Also from what I've seen they tried to turn Speedy into Tails' Jet which is not a bad thing conceptually since I like Jet but they made Speedy waaaaaay too similar to Jet. Idk I guess it's because both are green birds lol. Though gams Speedy does not have much going for him personality wise beyond wanting to emulate his father and be a bully

I wish the Kukkus were brought back, thankfully Blitz is coming (I guess) so we'll see them in 3D for the first time. I think for a Tails spinoff they should team up with Witchcart
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>>541825593
WW1 Era Japs, anon. The bitches stayed home. Men died in the war.
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>>541825516
Nta, but what's bad about it?

And don't go "Muh Sonic X!". That's not an argument.
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I'd read Archie but I gave it a chance for like 20 issues and not a single one of them actually had Sonic in it
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kickbutt females!!!
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>>541825714
Close, Meiji Era was right before WW1. Jan 25, 1868 – Jul 30, 1912
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>>541825653
Ya'll mo'fucks need to actually play the games.
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>>541825753
It's boring.
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>>541825516
Sonic and Tails are in it and are cool and characterized well
It follows a more traditional Sonic story with Eggman as the villain using some magic or technology based on an ancient civilization
It brought humans back which I've been wanting for a while
The action is cool
Swords are cool
Dinosaurs are cool
Yuuta is a nice character with a good concept and the locations they've used so far
The author has proven that he pays attention to the series lore (his background art referenced a little known sub plot from Unleashed)
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>>541825604
Based Scourge on top of the food chain
>Scourge cucks Sonic who cucks Tails
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>>541825653
> it's obvious they gave up on it completely after 06 since they do not even bother teasing it anymore.
Are you trolling? Shadouge has gotten a ton of shipfuel these past few years. How do you think knuxouge and shadouge are comparable in any way? One is dead and forgotten, the other actively gets teased.
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>>541825663
>Idk I guess it's because both are green birds lol.
Speedy's not even green. Archie mistook his helmet for his head. He looks like he could be a white bird going by his lower body.
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>>541825957
>Sonic and Tails are in it and are cool and characterized well
You aren't being specific, characterized well in what way?
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>>541825601
I never read Archie past the 1995 Tails and Sally miniseries and don't plan to continue currently. I never read the issues where Speedy appears.

Game Speedy does not have much going on beyond being sharp and serious, as well as having the same shoe straps that Tails has which implies he tries to emulate his father. I like that and I assume he must be around Tails' age. Making him a bully figure just makes sense. He only has one game appearance to make out of
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>>541804931
Hey I recognize that artstyle
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>>541815812
Amy embracing a "drunken boxer" fighting style would be a brilliant way to merge her "girlboss" and "joke character" personas but this dumbfuck franchise only does one or the other
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>>541825753
The art sucks, Sonic dragging around a crying infant fucking sucks. It's not really that interesting to read.
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>>541825934
And why is it boring?
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why dont we have a penguin blobian
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>he didn't watch mountain kino
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>>541826052
He knows, he said that in his post lol
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>>541826160
It also really highlights how Sonic himself is not interesting unless other characters tell you he is. He needs to be glazed constantly because his personality can't carry a plot.
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>>541825601
The Battle Kukku's strength is implied by how he can grab and hurl Tails. Archie upped it, but it didn't come from nowhere either.
https://youtu.be/KLgvL_aoLw4
The intelligence is admittedly implied, but he's the leader of an army of birds, so even if he's not the smartest in the army (that's Dr. Furokokov), he probably has some smarts.
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>>541826308
That's exactly it. Someone is there at all times to fellate him. Like, bruh, just tell a fucking story.
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>>541825904
I played every mainline games where Shadow and Rouge appeared together, show me a single non-one sided Shadouge moment past 06
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>>541826160
It's funny how the manga's only criticism are these vague statements that can only make up about one sentence while IDW can get paragraphs upon paragraphs abut why it sucks.
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>>541826308
>>541826385
you guys don't like sonic
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>>541825256
I like Tails' design in Boom but idk I think the 3D renders looked a little off idk. I like the fanart
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>>541826280
>>he didn't watch mountain kino
>wade eats up all screentime and spreads jews everywhere cringe
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>>541825120
We're not seeing wtf he's doing, it is a massive lack of effort.
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>>541826553
Sonic works when he's not really the protagonist
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>>541826385
It's really frustrating because Sonic's coolness used to be self-evident. The fact that other characters need to tell you show's a deep, foundational lack of confidence with the character.
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>>541826434
Oh I will 100% say Blade of Courage is better than IDW, don't get me wrong. I just saw someone ask to explain why they thought it might be bad. It's not either or, both are bad, IDW is just far worse.
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>>541825967
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>>541826072
How is that not specific?
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remember in sonic x when the moon stopped spinning and sonic was the only one who realized that the moon can't stop spinning because the earth never stops spinning
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>>541826553
Okay fag. I'll let you know when you've gatekept me.
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>>541826672
I don't agree with that, he just doesn't work period. This is why Shadow is the main character now.
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>>541826672
Or its a story about a younger sonic realizing his shitty friends aren't shitty
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>>541826836
Literal scientists were in the cast as well, yet they didn't know this
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>>541826356
This was the most we got from the leader of the Kukkus via manual.
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>>541826836
The whole point is to show how wise Sonic is
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I’m raping Sally in the vault rn
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>>541826434
The manga has so little substance to it there is nothing to write paragraphs about. It's just generic.
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Who should be Tangle's male tardwrangler?
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The manga is good in the same way Mario is good. Mario is good but it's not autism pickle tickle good like Sonic
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>>541827102
no you're not, she's under my desk now sucking me oof
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>>541827015
>Tails was bullied after this somehow
>The Chaos Emeralds were always in Cocoa island btw
Yeah this shit makes zero sense. It's clear this game was like it's own separate thing. Though it's canon now I guess
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>>541827057
That has nothing to do with wisdom, that's knowledge. The fact that you still don't know the difference as an adult does explain why you love Sonic X though.
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>>541827185
whisper after his new pills take effect
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>>541827329
but that was the point of the episode
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>>541826996
Sexver
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>>541827302
They can just have it take place sometime after Tails meets Sonic.
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>>541827185
ENTER
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>>541827435
Yeah but as it is the story makes no sense
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>>541826630
He's never been excluded, he shows up when everyone else does, and gets plenty of focus. Everyone is just entitled.
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Happy Easter, /sthg/!
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>>541825753
Chris Thorndyke was so bad that every single human companion is automically given -100 points of respect and accused of being a clone of him.

That's the legacy of Sonic X.
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>>541827548
Obviously Sega never took that game into account for the rest of the series. It was just a spinoff.
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>>541826579
You mean like in the actual show? It looks fine to me for being a 3D series but maybe there's some details I don't notice

>>541827302
Would be cool if the "Lore Team" or better yet someone from Sonic Team cleared up how the 8 bit games are supposed to fit into the timeline or make changes where necessary
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>>541827683
But it's october
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>>541827653
Having criticism for lackluster appearances is NOT entitlement.
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>>541827758
Except they have been acting as if this game is canon recently

Regardless I'd like to see a remake of it because I like the game's concepts
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>>541825601
That's cause the Battle Kukku is only notable for his Archie version, his game version doesn't have any dialogue, appears last minute without much buildup or other scenes and really is only remembered cause the comics used him. Like this isn't even a game vs comics debate, it's just one used the character more
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>>541827728
Not Tom from the movies.
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>>541827302
It's worth pointing out that in Classic era, there were more than just seven Chaos Emeralds. They were just magic rocks that existed on the various islands. Also the Master Emerald was just a giant chaos emerald.
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So no one has drawn Chris and Elise fucking huh
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>>541827920
Tom is a grown man, not a little boy, its different. Sonic X would be better if Sonic was living with Sam Speed and not Chris is what I'm saying
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>>541825663
Drawloverla probably has the best Speedy design in her art to be honest since she tries to make him cool and not lose the vital design details his classic game design had.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fa/59/38/fa593853d1cb22aa17feb97719eb11e2.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/10/1a/14/101a1462cbdd40eba4509d6804a875a4.jpg
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>>541827915
Yeah, RECENTLY. I'm not talking about recently. Before then they barely cared about that game.
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>>541827937
Most of this is headcanon. It might have been like that, but the truth is that it just wasn't established and the manuals gave somewhat contradictory info at times

>>541827302
>The Chaos Emeralds were always in (new island)
To be fair every classic game did this
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>>541819907
I wouldn't 'kill off' any characters. I'd just offscreen them.
Not worth 'killing them off' when we can just... ignore them.
It'd take me awhile to 'fix' IDW. If I was responsible for 'fixing' IDW, I'd want it to boil the frog before it realizes its being burned alive. Assuming I was the book's sole writer, I'd want to gradually reestablish core character traits through show don't tell storytelling, take away emphasis from IDW OCs, and repeatedly badger SEGA with worthwhile pitches to bring back fan favorite characters.
Of course, this would be impossible. If I worked
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>>541827920
You must have missed his haterbase
>ewwww why is Sonic hanging out with a cop?
>ewwww why is he Sonic's dad?
>they need to kill him off so Sonic can be free
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>>541826227
Hear me out, sexy spunky penguin gal for next Sonic game
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The whole "Sonic timeline" business is one of the stupidest, most pointless enterprises the fanbase has undertaken. There is no over arching story to this series, why the fuck would chronology matter?
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>>541825256
crotch...
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>>541828175
They are a minority.
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>>541828164
I would have to deal with the same shit that Daniel Barnes does and be beholden to Flynn's interests.
My bad, sent that before it was finished.
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>>541826868
Shadow is just repeating the same arc he had in the 2000s, reliving his trauma so he can learn to stop reliving his trauma
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>>541828132
The Eight Chaos Emeralds in Sonic the Fighters says otherwise. Also Sonic Spinball. Also AoSth only having four chaos emeralds.
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>>541828270
i just think its funny that game theory decided that sonic chronicles is so good that it has to be in the timeline no matter waht
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>>541828050
Sam Speed and Sonic living together would be just Two and Half Men back when Charlie Sheen was on the show.
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>>541819907
Good thing IDW doesn't have that many OCs or storylines, lol.
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>>541828359
And that's more entertaining than what Sonic Team has been doing since Unleashed
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>>541828398
I like the idea that there were multiple Emeralds, and it does logically follow from what's presented. But it's not an established fact, it's just the games being inconsistent
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>>541827653
Same issue with Tails, Amy and Knuckles, they get plenty of screen time but no focus
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>>541827914
>It's Sega's fault I don't like Silver!
come on man

Look I agree with you his appearances are lackluster but that's because he's lackluster. His Sonic Channel story has him doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, it's just not very good.
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>>541828270
>why the fuck would chronology matter?
It's a very lucrative business model to advertise canon to the braindead slop enjoyers that can't discern quality and it works.
>IDW?
Totally canon guys! Read all of it, it takes place between Forces and Frontiers and NO we won't explain.
>Prime?
Canon! You gotta watch the whole thing, actually, it takes place after Advance 3! See! We used the sprites to make a horrid recreation of those games!

It fucking works.
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>>541828270
Cause why not? Still need to redo this to get rid of the excess space. Why oh why did Archie have to kill Sonic Boom?
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>>541828557
Anon you aren't making since, he's a fictional character. If what he's "supposed to be doing" isn't good, maybe we should SUPPOSE he do something else? I don't understand you.
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>>541827216
Mario autists obsess over game mechanics and programming. Sonic autists obess over character designs and poorly-translated dialogue
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Hey I’ll play with your tits some other time!
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>>541828502
All Blobians are probably this way and think about how the ribcage protects the vital organs so they're even smaller. All that padding is probably how they can take such extreme amounts of punishment by Eggman and walk it off.
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>>541828270
They are retards who want Sonic to have an overreaching narrative when the series has always been episodic with only a few exceptions.
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>>541828270
>There is no over arching story to this series
There used to be. The games mostly had selfcontained stories that would introduce and explore characters, stories, and elements when you pay attention to the details. In 2008 they scrapped everything they had been building up on and just did random stuff.
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>>541828664
>making since
Sar! I am not undarstanding you! SAR PLEASE
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>>541828642
>Cause why not?
Only recently have I learned this a destructive mentality when it comes to a series.
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Sleepy sheepy

God I NEED her
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>>541827653
Just say you don't want to see him anymore, cause all of these appearances are so lackluster calling it entitlement for asking to play is like calling wanting dream team escaping apple poverty.
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>>541828642
>Cause why not
It's dumb?
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>>541822878
It's not a joke?
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>>541828502
Sonic canonically has big titty
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>>541828869
You only feel that way because Frontiers didn't do it well enough. Sonic 3 & Knuckles did it well, the Adventure games did it well, SA2's follow ups did it decently, the GBA/DS games did it well. It used to be part of the series identity.
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>>541829106
That was over 20 years ago.
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Silver is what he is. If you find what he is isn't enough, then that's on you
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>>541829169
Yeah, that's about the time it's been since this series got an impressive game.
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>>541828869
You were asked a legitimate question:
>Why not?
If you can't give a proper reason like how Iizuka had to explain to Bob Rafei why Sonic shouldn't wear pants, that's YOUR problem.
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>>541829258
Imagine being unconditionally in love with a fictional character like this dude is
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>>541829258
He's doing his "job" but that can still be depicted better/in more entertaining ways.
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Nah, we need to get rid of the Restoration. How would you dispose of it if you were writing the comic, /sthg/?
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>>541829267
Fuck you, Rush is great.
>Rush is 19 years old
Fuck.
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>>541828557
>because he's lackluster
You sure that's not 06 bending your own vision? cause even if he's that lackluster by design, he managed to pull off quite the fandom without having great games
>>541828795
Listen for how much you like to have fun, if this was your case from the beginning we can easily conclude that Silvercrit is just bunch of trolling retards wasting time and ignore you forever.
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>>541828502
Wouldn't most of that be fur or quills?
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You guys will tell archiefags to "let go of the past" and you will almost get it right and then you'll advocate for things to go back to the fucking 2000s
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>>541829419
What's wrong with it? GUN can exists but the Restoration can't? Explain your bias.
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>>541829353
>You were asked a legitimate question:
I wasn't the one you replied to.
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>>541828270
>There is no over arching story to this series
Yes there is, Sega just want to have their cake and eat it too.
>Sonic at the start of S3&K still has all the emeralds from the end of Sonic 2
>Tails has a chaos emerald in SA2 because he was awarded it for saving Station Square in SA1
>Team Dark's story in Heroes, all of ShTH and a lot of Battle and Shadow Gens is conceptually tied to SA2
>Generations begins shortly after the end of Colors and is directly referenced in Forces, which is directly connected to Mania
>Rush Adventure is a direct sequel to Rush
>Rivals 2 is a direct sequel to Rivals
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>>541829537
You already answered your question. GUN exists. Besides, the planet never needed a Restoration before. Why does it now? What do YOU even like about?
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>>541829497
/sthg/ is not one fucking guy, dude. idgaf about Archie, but I hope you enjoy the hell outta it. 2000s were just kino.
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>>541829603
Do you not understand what overarching means?
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>>541829258
>Your free to hate a character
In here? are you crazy?
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Heroes is a bad game with a bad story
Shadow the Hedgehog is a bad game with a bad story
06 is a bad game with a bad story
Secret Rings is a bad game with a bad story
Black Knight is a bad game with a bad story
Colors is a good game with almost no story
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>>541829564
Still applies.
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>>541829603
That's not an overarching story.
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>>541829751
>Colors is a good gam-
Boost.
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>>541829701
>You already answered your question
No?
>Why does it now? What do YOU even like about?
Bro I dunno, I don't even read the comic
>GUN exists
And sop does the Restoration, now what's the real problem?
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>>541829751
Cool bait, must have been though to come up with
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>>541829704
Archie and the 2000s are both terrible and everything about them should stay in the vault where it belongs
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>>541829751
Nah I like the story for Secret Rings and Black Knight. Aliens being in Shadow was cool but the branching story idea/missions was baffling and Colours I won't contradict since I do agree with that assesment pretty much.
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>>541829839
Nta but i think he enjoys politics
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>>541829892
>>541829884
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>>541829839
>Bro I dunno, I don't even read the comic
Then this is a pointless conversation. Don't try to have an argument over things you don't know shit about it, retard.
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>>541829965
Oh no, I hope I didn't respond to a leftist
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>>541829884
People only "like" those games to shit on IDW
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>>541829751
And i'll play them to clip the funniest/most impressive moments and upload them so people can have fun
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>>541828664
Yes, you don't like Silver, you *want* to like Silver, which is my point.

>>541828920
>just say you don't want to see him anymore
You're right, I don't. I don't really like his character archetype. I don't like Shadow but he's grumpy and that's funny sometimes.
>lackluster
What exactly do you want? Obviously everyone wants more playable appearances and I think he "deserves" Dream Team and Frontiers 2 DLC but his character is being represented well in all his appearances.
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>>541830004
Why do you take a position that's seemingly indefensible to the slightest challenge?
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Does Silver meteor smash Blaze?
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>>541829751
black knight has the best sonic story after adventure era
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>>541830217
And it sold like shit.
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>>541830140
>What exactly do you want
...to play? it feels like they're teasing me seeing him "swoosh" around while in game play he's "eeeebonk" you know?
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>>541830186
Nice word salad.
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>>541830404
Are you illiterate?
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>you don't like him, you just want to like him
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>>541830295
Silver is a test demo for the havoc physics engine. Something SEGA no longer has access to.
Silver is a psionics user made during a cultural trend of PSI users throughout the 80s-00s. This fad no longer exist.
Silver is inherently a character built around two outdated trends.
Old physics engines and psychic powers.
He's better off being vaulted.
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>>541829937
Colors does have a story. It does environmental storytelling well, possibly better than any other game in the series. On the other hand the cutscenes are just bland (and also have bad dialogue in the English version on top of that). It's a different type of story, but unlike the gameplay of Colors it is a type of story that fits the Sonic series at least

>>541830061
No, I like them (some of, haven't played them all, but aside from Shadow 2005 they look appealing to me) because I like them. I don't care about IDW overall or the fanbase wars around it
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>>541830602
You can apply the same logic to Sonic and Shadow,

Let's just instead say that Silver's execution always sucked and that's why he should be vaulted
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>>541830513
Are you? Not to mention you tried to get into an argument about something you didn't even know about.
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>>541830770
No since Sonic is timeless. He's the wind.
He organically appeals to mass audiences across generations.
Shadow is also a proven seller.
Silver's execution was always flawed, though, I'll give you that.
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>>541830602
Then restart the trend with him!
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>>541830640
>It does environmental storytelling well, possibly better than any other game in the series.
Colors??? Colors is your example for that?

Are you fucking stupid?
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>>541830937
No mass appeal. He isn't marketable. Sonic brand IP isn't strong enough to breathe new life into a long retired archetype.
SEGA doesn't want to pay microsoft the licensing fees for Havok. SEGA also doesn't want to have to make their own in-depth all-purpose physics engine to handle Silver's psionic's powers.
Please understand.
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>>541828398
>The Eight Chaos Emeralds in Sonic the Fighters
Oh give me a break. That was just a ui flourish
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>>541831081
What i'm hearing is baby noises and someone bad at programming, i remember making flying commands in Minecraft better then that engine.
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>we should improve Silver somewhat
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>this triggers violet
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Silver having a "failed execution" means "Silver after 06 was not as popular as Shadow after SA2" which is insane.

>>541830295
Fair enough, I just feel like what people really want is absolution from 06 and years of slander.
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>>541831275
Love Silver or leave him. Excuses are a waste of time
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>>541830965
Colors does it in every main zone. It shows Eggman's effect on the planets he conquered, in the early zones you see how he masked them as attractions to make them look appealing, then in the later zones you see the process in the earlier stages and how he is actively and progressively ruining them. CD tries to do something similar with the time travel gimmick instead of the traditional format of going from one zone to the next, and Sonic 1 does it in a more barebones way. Sonic 2 and 3&K are kinda messy since they didn't carefully pick or think through the zone order. Colors does it best
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>>541831108
It's cause Sonic Team didn't care at the time. They had eight fighters ergo eight emeralds whose colors matched the fighters.
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>>541831275
I'd say some smooth gameplay that makes you feel like fast psychic
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I kinda like Silver's gameplay in 2006, although I enjoy Sonic's more. I think I would enjoy it more if it was just a bit faster and he had more abilities, P-06 and Legacy of Solaris look fun so I'm looking forward to playing those as well
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>>541831390
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Alright let's talk about Blaze
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they want (You) to join
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>>541831736
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Chris X Elise
Chris X Sara
Chris X Willoughby
Chris X Topaz
Chris X Yuta's teacher
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>>541830867
>No since Sonic is timeless. He's the wind.
that has nothing to do with Sonic's actual appeal
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>>541830640
Honestly the story premise for Colours does have enough to be solidly fleshed out but it seems like most of the effort did go to the environmental story as you said plus Dr Eggman's park announcements that are highly missable despite being where all the decent writing went.
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>>541829701
>GUN exists.
Does it? Did GUN ever exist on the planet where Forces took place? And SOA intern lip service doesn't count.
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Tails?
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>>541831804
You never genned my request.
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>>541831792
I wish the Sol dimension got used more, even in comics and extra media it's heavily underused.
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>>541832001
And what would that be?
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>>541831804
>Sonic fucks Surge first
>Then Amy takes her clothes off for her turn
>Sonic lines himself up
>Then he fucks Surge again
>Surge cums and slumps over exhausted
>Sonic dumps his 3rd load into her
>Amy pulls Sonic in and kisses him
>This gets Sonic's boner going again
>He then fucks the unconscious Surge until he has nothing left to give
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>>541832075
I just asked for a gen of Cream. Guns are a bonus
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The Chaos Emeralds should be as important to this series as Sonic and Eggman are.
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Do Sonic Colors (Wii), Sonic Generations, Sonic Lost World and Sonic Forces have good gameplay, good controls and good level design?
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Amy in a diaper
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>>541832370
They are all better than the Adventure games at least.
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>>541832050
It need to connect to Sonic somewhat else it would feel like extra media.
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Tails!
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>>541832148
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>>541832505
In what way?
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Sonic Team and IDW writers should take Notes, this is how you do Silvaze
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>>541832629 (me)
>>541832148
fixed the fingers
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>>541832743
you can't fall through the floor in any of those games
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>>541831792
Blaze is a classic character.
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>>541829937
Do you dislike the gameplay and story of Heroes?
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>>541832629
>>541832827
Amazing, thank you!
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>>541832780
She knew this guy for a few weeks at most
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>>541832780
I thought it was heights and cucumbers
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>>541832831
That didn't happen to me in SA2. It did in Forces, however. I wanted to make a clip of it, but I played it on Switch, where SEGA disabled the option to record clips of the game for some reason.
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>>541832909
She can't look like one
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people who hate enemies to lovers are weak
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>>541831609
Just make an RPG already
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Silver & Blaze Frontiers
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>>541832780
>Blaze and Silver should do nothing but talk to each other and how special their relationship is
anon they already do that
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>>541833228
They are yet enemies, not yet lovers, anon. They'll come around. TRVST
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Someone somewhere has a archive of these manga artwork.
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TAILS IS THE BEST!!!
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>>541833245
NERD
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Pekka Kana 2 > Sonic and Mario slop
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>>541831427
>Silver having a "failed execution" means "Silver after 06 was not as popular as Shadow after SA2" which is insane.
Almost everything about him was shifted so he could be Shadow 2.0. This has been a documented fact since 2006 and it continues to be proven true each time Nakamura is interviewed regarding Silver.

Silver failed to be as popular as Shadow and it's entirely on 06.
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Does anyone want to start out with enemies with me and slowly work our way up to tsundere and then deep romantic love?
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Since Sonic Superstars was a failure, what should SEGA do to make the next Classic Sonic game a success? Superstars is already Mania 2 in all but name, so we already know just doing the same thing again won't work.
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>>541833496
>was shifted so he could be Shadow 2.0
I still can't see that, it's like calling Knuckles Amy 2.0 because of the hair shape
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>>541827302
The 8-bit games were more or less their own continuity.
Though Tails Adventure is the one time they're not on South Island.
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>>541832091
Sonic is not a self-insert
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>>541833635
Fuck OFF stupid NIGGER. Never post on this website again.
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>>541833829
What a time for this to be posted>>541833649
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>>541833862
We're off to a good start
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Reposting the poll

http://allourideas.org/soniccharacters
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>>541832909
She's not even a dreamcast character
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>>541833910
Sonic would be an infinitely better series if it was a slice of life harem series. Quaver is a VISIONARY
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>>541834005
Why are you giving me (You)s? I said stop it!!!!!
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>>541833397
Since Amy & Charmy came from this manga, it could have been very possible Sonic might have had something akin to the koopalings with these lizards...
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rape surge and lanolin and tangle and whisper and jewel and kit
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>>541833228
Is that how your parents met?
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>>541834061
Desu can't see this happening without rape involved
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>>541833690
Beg for taxman and stealth to come back and actually give them a budget
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>>541834075
I can't help myself. Something about you compels me.
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>>541834061
>>541833649
What is it with women and werewolves?
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>>541834394
How so? they all want the SonDick
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>>541833496
>each time Nakamura is interviewed regarding Silver
He's such a fuckup and a hack.
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>>541834514
What is it with men and aliens?
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>>541834441
Mania was loved for bringing back the classic physics, but now that's done already. It doesn't surprise people anymore.
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>>541834061
>blaze is literally a leech now
kek
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>>541834048
Blaze was created by Dimps which split off from Sonic Team before the Dreamcast. She shares sensibilities with a character like Knuckles.
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>>541834591
I'm not into aliens.

Well I mean Tali's pretty hot but that was a one time thing
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>>541834484
I don't understand. You've always been so kind to me. This is ridiculous, get out of my head.
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>>541834616
Ask them to make a fully 3D sonic game
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>>541834514
who knows
>>541834689
Blaze loves to leech the cum from GODnic's hedgecock
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>>541831804
Then join I shall.
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bring Yuji Naka back to implement 3D flight for Silver like he did for NiGHTs.
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>>541832091
>>Sonic fucks Surge first
>>Then Amy takes her clothes off for her turn
>>Sonic lines himself up
>>Then he fucks Surge again
>>Surge cums and slumps over exhausted
>>Sonic dumps his 3rd load into her
>>Amy pulls Sonic in and kisses him
>>This gets Sonic's boner going again
>>He then fucks the unconscious Surge until he has nothing left to give

>Surge imagines from the comic vault
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>>541834514
YOU

JUST

KNOW
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>>541833690
>Strong art direction: Mania took cues from the Saturn and the 32x, and people liked the new zones
>bosses: make the "hits:vulnerability" ratio more balanced. Also, didn't play Superstars, but apparently Fang is only a boss twice (once in the main game and at the end of Trip's story)? Back in Triple Trouble, he had four fights. What a waste.
>4 player: Ditch it.
>Music: Get Jun some accurate synths or just get him to stop.
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>>541834767
>which split off from Sonic Team before the Dreamcast
You made this up

>Blaze was created by Dimps
Dimps was created by Akinori Nishiyama who was at Sonic Team from 1992 to 2010, and was the head of Sonic Team from 2007 to 2010
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>>541834514
White women. Enough said.
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>>541832932
I've not beaten it yet since never got all the emeralds and haven't played it in years but that game debuted Omega and is why The Chaotix are still around so I think I could never hate it even with the flaws it may have. Honestly for a more lighthearted story it also seems sound from my memory and having the villain be Metal Sonic going insane from his programmed fixation of exceeding Sonic does work well.
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Why is Surge so hot...
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>>541835110
https://youtu.be/CUkuYkH796c?si=FgyPi8D-gcDe8drh&t=58
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Amy dyed herself green because Sonurge is popular.
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>>541835125
Oh, and also
>Story: make sure the story is A. easy-to-understand without dialogue and B.some form of coherent.
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>>541833228
Could I have enemies to lovers but they are still enemies? That's how I'd handle the ships I have that'd have that dynamic in the series.
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Sonic loves "inspiring" Surge all night long until l she's "fully redeemed"
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>>541835241
Electricty heats you up
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>>541835241
Goth-ish aesthetic with lots of extrovert energy + tsundere + backstory that makes you want to fix her + the goon wants what the goon wants
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>>541835320
Stupid Amy, she thinks that Sonic is blind like her.
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>>541835408
Sharp teeth + tomboy is a formula for instant erection
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>>541833649
I like that it's specifically the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing. I've not watched that film in ages buts I've got a soft spot for lot of Sommers filmography like the Mummy and Deep Rising.
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>>541835226
That's my fucking GOAT right there
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>>541835329
>Could I have enemies to lovers but they are still enemies? That's how I'd handle the ships I have that'd have that dynamic in the series.

There is an anime about this
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>>541835226
He looks like his name
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>>541834591
Aliens are cool, though ironically I like when they fuck human woman often space heroines in bodysuits.
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>>541835125
They should just let Senoue use his usual sounds to their full extent, and let him make upbeat music like 3D Blast/Adventure/Heroes or the Tails stages in SA2

>>541835189
Metal Overlord is such a cool way to do an Adventure-style secret final boss while reusing a classic character and connecting it to Chaos
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>>541835625
Ironically enough unlike most people the pairings I'm talking about aren't Sonurge though that has some good art. Also I like seeing series try to parody or utilise the Super Sentai format and archetype even if I'm more of an Ultraman fan.
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>>541835491
You understand Surge
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>>541835125
>Music: Get Jun some accurate synths or just get him to stop
Alternatively, get the guy who did Mega Collection's music

>>541835662
>I like when they fuck human woman often space heroines in bodysuits.
I see you are a fellow anon with good taste
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>>541835743
>>541835743
>>541835743
>>541835743
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>>541835491
One of the tried and true formulas. I do like her sharp teeth.
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once you've seen one tsundere have a meltdown confessing her love you've seen it all
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>>541835152
Dimps was its own studio seperate from Sonic Team that started with SNK developing Pocket Adventure. Nishiyama directed the Advance games and Rush, Blaze is effectively a Dimps character.
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>>541835915
That's like saying eating one hamburger should satisfy your taste for hamburgers forever

the food is good nigga
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>>541835917
The Advance and Rush games are collaborations between Dimps and Sonic Team. Nishiyama did not work at Dimps. The creative input on those games mainly came from Sonic Team, while Dimps mainly handled the technical side like programming.
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>>541835713
Not only is the design fun being a Metal Sonic dragon but also as you said the Chaos data copying gives some leeway on it being such a jarring leap plus it also helps that it works narratively since Metal's obsession with surpassing and being the true Sonic only makes him less like him until he's just this mechanical monstrosity vaguely clinging to Sonic's appearance
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>>541835409
The perspective on this is strange, am i a fly after their food?
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>>541833407
mouth...
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>>541835861
Thank you, I'm already planning to comm nayaase more Samus smut, specifically something relevant to Prime 4.
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>>541836590
Tails' mouth is very cute.
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>>541842728
Made to get RAPED by Eggman
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Made to be LOVED by everyone :D
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>>541842728
>>541850705
>>541850851
Made to be SLAPPED and KILLED by everyone for being such a shit character*
ftfy



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