Some people really need to figure out that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. You don't have to go out of your way to remind everyone every time it comes up, and argue with anyone who does like it.

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Return to Ivalice

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As long as no one makes any negative or neutral remarks about Nomura, Kitase, Hamaguchi, Toriyama, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy XIII, Lightning, Remake, Tactics, or E33 we will be fine.

As long as no one makes any positive or neutral remarks about XIV, XVI, Yoshida, CS3, Spirits Within, Sakaguchi or Tactics we will be fine.

>!!! DISCLAIMER !!!
Please take the above warnings seriously. Last thread, we had someone state something that was either negative or neutral about E33's online fans, not even about the game itself, and we are still experiencing the ramifications of such a perceived transgression days later, and it's likely that this transgression may enter into the rotating pantheon of things /ffg/ retriggers itself with on a daily basis. The above warnings are not to be taken lightly and disregarding the above guidelines for posting in the /ffg/ could have very real consequences and impact on the real lives of other human beings who use this thread every day. If you do not heed these warnings, you could unwittingly cause someone to seethe for hours of every single day of the next few years of their life about someone else's online opinion, and no one wants that to happen (again)

>>542260909
Still a better hero than Lightning.

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>>542260720
>>542260975
And despite the change of direction, this does not negate what has been said: the XIII series develops further the themes and ideas laid down by the founder of the series.

>>542261015
Based first post

>>542261583
>by the founder of the series.
The founder of Final Fantasy personally disagrees. See: >>542260720

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Off to a good start

>>542261719
Woah, watch it bud, you're not allowed to disagree with the one who is missing half his parents, or he'll cry. Again. And then he'll accuse you of being the boogeyman that's been living rentfree in his head for years now.

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>>542261719
Sakaguchi probably didn't even play the trilogy. If he had, he might have seen what I'm talking about, cause it's so obvious. Some things are similar or rhyme whether we like it or not. See >>542260369.

>>542260909
ULTIMA SEXO

>>542262234
Barnabas...

>>542261929
>stubs on

>>542261968
The beautiful thing is that I'm not even the one disagreeing with him, Sakaguchi, father of the Final Fantasy series, is the one disagreeing with him.

>>542262182
>Sakaguchi probably didn't even play the trilogy
>probably
Also, you don't need to eat shit to know it's shit.

>>542262262
seriously though, my disappointment was immeasurable when vayne merged with some weird alien thing and not a hot demon chick

>>542262321
Yeah, and now look at him, he's doing a 180° and claims that Sakaguchi's opinion isn't worth listening to anymore.

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>>542262321
Incidentally, the words quoted in the interview don't negate what I said: just because someone at a certain point felt the series was heading in the wrong direction doesn't mean it doesn't develop the classic themes established by the series' founding father.
Indeed, he didn't say the trilogy didn't develop themes important to him. And this is precisely the connecting thread between XIII and the classic games' stories.

>>542262597
That is indeed what he is saying. Very sad.

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>>542261583
Lightning has become so damn powerful. The sane and unbiased not-a-cult member has been ritual posting about her to signal his meltdown about wrong-think regarding video game opinions and people that make fun of Yoshida, as his very first post of the thread for several threads in a row.

>>542261342
>>541908516
>>541673348

>>542262881
But hilarious, in the same way a retarded puppy is hilarious. That moron keeps going at it with his self-humiliation ritual, and then he doesn't understand why everyone laughs at him.

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Let's summarize today's Vanille-tier analysis:
1) The Final Fantasy XIII trilogy develops themes that were important to the series' founder, and that recur repeatedly in classic games. One such theme is the importance and value of world balance. The trilogy develops these themes at the level of world dynamics and characters in the story;
2) These themes are so important to the series' founder that he is making a game dedicated to them in 2021, 18 years after leaving SE, which only confirms their importance to him.

Sometimes you don't need to resort to the opinions of authorities to understand that 2 + 2 = 4.

>>542263018
If you do not follow the guidelines set forth by /ffg/, there could be very real consequences in the real lives of other human beings who post here every day. Part of these guidelines necessarily include never saying anything positive or neutral about Yoshida. If any of these guidelines are breached, it could cause someone to spend hours of every single day of the rest of their lives being upset about other people's opinions, and no one wants to see that happen, so it's best to remain within the accepted guidelines.

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Aerith!

>>542263018
He has been pretty cranky lately. Then again, I don't think I have ever seen him not upset about something, so who knows?

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>It's "not Final Fantasy"!
>MC has amnesia
>tropes literally everywhere
>generic characters and setting
>no gameplay innovation
>carried entirely by Uematsu music and genre conventions
Sakaguchi's opinion isn't worth listening to anymore.

>>542261968
>he'll accuse you of being the boogeyman that's been living rentfree in his head for years now.
It's happening. That did not take long at all.

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Sakaguchi does indeed know better than (you).

>>542263694
It's predictable, sadly.

>>542263750
Except when his opinion doesn't align with mine!!!!!!!!!!!!

Careful, boys, I am detecting unauthorized opinions. We've only barely begun this thread, we cannot already be having wrong opinions like this. It's best to save your incorrect opinions for the end of the thread, if you absolutely must post them.

I'm just glad someone is always here to agree with me in 2 minute intervals the second I have a disagreement with someone. It's nice to have someone to talk to.

>>542263750
Every Mistwalker game is good. Sakaguchi does still seem to know how to cook.
SE should hire him as a consultant, like they did Matsuno.

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>>542263750
What about this screenshot denies that the XIII trilogy develops or continues to explore themes important to Sakaguchi, such as the theme of balance?

>>542263750
>>542264257
You seem new here. Please refer to the /ffg/ guidelines of acceptable opinions to have: >>542261342

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>>542262795
>>542263374
You disagreed with the father of Final Fantasy. You have committed a truly grievous sin
Who do you think you are, exactly? Some sort of individual?

>>542263750
You angered the fatherless, it's spamming like crazy now.

>>542264089
>>542264459
>>542264557

>>542263750
>>542264625
'fraid so

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>>542264557
I haven't disagreed with anyone yet. The fact that someone feels they don't like the direction a certain game is taking a series doesn't automatically, logically, or necessarily mean that that game doesn't continue to explore the themes, ideas, and thoughts at the core of the series, laid out by its founding father. One simply doesn't follow from the other.

PLEASE stop saying negative or neutral things about Final Fantasy XIII

PLEASE stop saying positive or neutral things about Sakaguchi

>>542265085
It's samefagging now. How sad!

Why the fuck can't you just create a recruit in Tactics?

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I was looking up at the moon, searching for something
When I was frightened by the storm
I'm glad it was you who appeared before me
As if none of this had ever happened
I know this fire will never go out, surely

>>542262395
No wonder why no one bought XVI.

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Gosh I wish that was me

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>>542265187
What you said is all true. But you express concepts more complex than "XIII shit", which means you're now the problem here. You're also samefagging, because nobody could ever agree with you in any way. All of this to say, 'we' do not have a rebuttal to your point because 'we' are not interested in talking about FF games in any. Everyone knows 'we' are just here to sling mud at the side 'we' most identify with.

>>542266227
There we go. Now that's a correct opinion. Finally.

>>542265813
chocobos keep breeding like crazy creating units to fill up my roster

>>542266284
>You're also samefagging, because nobody could ever agree with you in any way.
That is what this post >>542264089 insisted, you are correct.

>>542266315
It was more of a fact than an opinion.

>>542266484
You have to dismiss them.

>>542266227
The cultist did NOT like this one, it seems.

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>"you cannot take even the slightest criticism against your trash game without immediately deflecting"
>now watch me crash the fuck out about another posters father for the 70th time this year because they said XVI was unpopular

>>542266428
You angered it, it samefagged like craaaaaaaazy, while, oddly enough, being shaking too hard to properly quote you.

>>542266840
Yet another correct opinion. Keep em coming. The posters who harbor incorrect opinions have been getting uppity. I warned them, but they didn't listen. Please keep posting correct opinions while we work together to stamp out the incorrect opinions.

>>542267175
True reddit post here

>>542266840
Ironic that you're using a Rebirth image to shitpost XVI when that game was 2x less popular than XVI.

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>being shaking
ESL shining through quite clearly. You can tell it's getting jumpy

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One day, the day will come when people will understand — the Goddess embodies Final Fantasy. Yes, she, her story and her adventures are manifestations of the very essence of the series.

>>542267285
STOP NOTICING THINGS!!!!

XVI is so popular that they are making sequels that will be even better than XVI was

No wait, that was XIII and VIIR, sorry I got confused about reality there for a second

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>>542263750
This. XIII is, in every sense of the word, the antithesis of Final Fantasy.

>>542267704
>toyota prius
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>542261229
this

>>542267542
Sequels go against the spirit of the series, Sakaguchi was vehemently against them.
Proof yet again that those games aren't Final Fantasy and that you have zero idea what Final Fantasy even is.

>>542267949
Is that a surprise that the fatherless has no idea what FF is about?

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Continuing this theme of the thematic parallelism, the most important event that defined the framework of meanings of the classic games in the series after II was death of Sakaguchi's mother. Perhaps motherhood and similarities between Etro and Claire in their adoption of maternal roles play such a significant role in XIII trilogy for a reason.

>>542263750
Maybe in the next main entry the gameplay wont be an afterthought

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XIII is and was indeed a better game than XVI. After more than 2 years, this cripplingly depressing realization continues to "strike the nerves" of the local peasant population, like a speeding semi truck strikes a motorcycle driver.

>>542248876
I love coming to the /ffg/ and reading correct opinions like this which I agree with 100%. I've been telling the world how much I dislike Yoshi-P ever since Asmongold began playing XIV. Personally, I've never played XIV, but seeing its popularity during that time period made me hate both it and him to an outrageous degree. Some people don't understand that it's possible to loathe both a video game and its developer without having ever played the video game, but trust me it is.

Luckily, a couple years after I began telling the world for hours on a daily basis how much I hate Yoshi-P, XVI was released, which was also made primarily by Yoshi-P himself. In the lead up to the game I redoubled my efforts, talking about how much I hate Yoshi-P and XIV and I told people not to buy or play XVI because Yoshi-P is personally and solely responsible for both XIV and XVI. I never played XVI myself either and I decided well before it released that it was the worst Final Fantasy game in the series, so it's comforting to come to the /ffg/ where there are many people who think exactly the same things that I do. I look forward to a long a beautiful day of agreeing with you and everyone else on /ffg/ who has the correct opinion while we work together tirelessly to prevent incorrect opinions from festering.

>>542268068
You struck a nerve, he's mad.

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>>542263673
>>542263750
This guy's a total has-been. Every single game he made since leaving Square Enix has been a complete financial flop.

>>542267949
They didn't make a prequel or a sequel simply because no one bought XVI. Did they ever intend to make an additional game in Valisthea? Yes. Yoshi mentioned it in an interview.

>>542268213
No one really gives a shit about XIV anymore now that Asmongold stopped caring, i mean the only reason it blew up in the first place was because of him. Now that he's moved on, it's just going back to being what it always was.

>>542268185
This is a prime example of the sort of correct opinions we are known for here on the /ffg/. You are truly an exemplary poster and the dissenters should strive to be more like you. As we work round the clock every day to silence the incorrect opinions here on the /ffg/, hopefully in the near future we can cultivate a thread where you and I and anyone else who is interested in joining all post the correct opinions to have while agree with each other for hours upon hours, year after year.

>>542268213
Begging you to take your vitamins and say your prayers, brother.

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Oh boy, the fatherless really did NOT like learning that Sakaguchi disliked XIII.

>>542268551
I'm going to have to ask you to stop having incorrect opinions. Negative and neutral opinions about Final Fantasy XIII are not to be tolerated here on the /ffg/, nor will positive or neutral opinions about Sakaguchi be tolerated here. And yet here you are, doing both. Please correct your opinions, or leave. This thread is not for you.

Here is an example of permissible opinions on the /ffg/: >>542268185
Here are the guidelines for permissible opinions on the /ffg/: >>542261342

Please review the materials and then either shape up, or get out.

>>542268551
It's a hard truth to swallow.

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Yoshitroon's liquifying before our very eyes over FFXIII, once again. Who could have imagined it?

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>>542268471
True. I'm personally glad Yoshida took the occasion to have a nice return to form with Dawntrail which catered to actual fans of the game rather than tourists. It was a much needed change of pace.

>>542268471
This opinion is a bit too neutral about XIV for my taste, but it is not positive, and to that end I can agree with it.

>>542268908
This is a positive post about XIV and it is not admissible in the /ffg/. Please review the guidelines and reform your opinion or leave the thread. Ideally, you can go back to /xivg/ if you want to say anything positive or neutral about XIV.

>>542268908
Hold up. You don't actually believe that do you?
Dawntrail is much worse than ARR and Stormblood. It was anything but a return to form.
I guess nuking the playerbase is all well and good but story and world quality needs to improve bigly from here.

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>>542268282
When was the last time Sakaguchi was behind something that people actually cared about?
This movie?

>>542268791
Imagine learning that your idol disagree with you. That must hurt him.

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>>542269254
>Dawntrail is much worse than ARR and Stormblood
For WoWfags, maybe. Actual XIV players loved it, despite what the unruly vocal minority might tell you.

>>542269423
You forgot to include that Sakaguchi is a hack and Spirits Within flopped and caused him to get fired from the company.
Otherwise, this is an acceptable opinion for the /ffg/. Almost good job.

>>542267423
chat is this real?

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Sakaguchi's Lost Odyssey is the true Final Fantasy XIII.
It captures the true spirit of the series.
Reminded me a lot of FFIV.

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>sakaguchi outed as disliking XIII
>mmediately an avalanche of posts decrying him as a loser, always in a broken english
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>542269671
That is definitely not true. You are delusional, I'm afraid.

>>542269671
Based and truth-pilled.

I'm seeing positive or neutral posts about XIV
I'm seeing positive or neutral posts about Sakaguchi.
I'm seeing negative or neutral posts about XIII.

Guys. You might be causing someone undue stress with your incorrect opinions right now. Undue stress which might cause them to spend hours of every day of the next several years of their life grieving over. Please consider the people who are extremely sensitive to the opinions of others. Only post correct opinions, or leave. These are your choices.

>Vanillefag drew an irrefutable parallel between XIII and Sakaguchi's older games
>immediately an avalanche of off-topic "fatherless" and "correct opinion" slop posts
I am noooooooticing.

>>542270281
Calm down, embarrassing yourself like that won't bring your father back.

>>542270078
I've been playing XIV longer than you meds-kun
I don't know why you insist on pretending DT was good as a shitpost but it isn't triggering your boogeyman, just a longtime XIV and Final Fantasy enjoyer.

Is XIV good? No, but it's an outlet for balding ex-WoW players, troons and women to ERP with furry characters.
Is Dawntrail good? No, but it gives the cult more excuses to give Yoshida their money.
Do actual players still love the game? No, but what matters is that you can say that you still like it in order to defend Yoshida's name.
Is the new furry MC with the tranny VA good? No, but the cult will say they are good because Yoshida can do no wrong.

>>542269943
Just because I don't mindlessly follow ragebait Youtube videos about the game doesn't mean I'm delusional. There's a reason the "drama" around it is always peddled by tourists. Many people in the community, especially oldfags, were and are still positive about DT.

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>>542269751
I believe this is true. Just compare for yourself and use your own judgment. Now, it's time to post Vanille or sheep, or both, since there's no room for a normal discussion here anyway.

>>542270529
I will tell you once again that this is not true. Majority of the community and oldfags are negative on Dawntrail. You're not sticking it to youtubers or wowfags by praising it.

>general party around level 20
>want to level a new level 1 to at least get close to others
>takes forever
Is there no catch up mechanic in FFT?

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>>542269678
>Sakaguchi is a hack
I didn't say that, but I did ask a question. Maybe you can address it, maybe not.
>Spirits Within flopped
It did, yeah.
>caused him to get fired from the company
From what I hear he stepped down in disgrace.

>>542270529
>ragebait Youtube videos
Cultist-chan.....What about regular reviews?

>>542270496
Another good opinion. Thank you. I needed to read this.

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>>542270724
Repeating an objectively false statement doesn't make it true. Sorry, but like I said, WoWfags whining aren't actually representative of the community.
>>542271028
Most of these negative reviews popped up when desperate clickbaiters wanted an anti-XIV narrative and they followed the mold. Steam has also never been representative of the community of the game at large, and you would know this if you didn't start playing with ShB.

>>542271236
>most of these negative reviews popped up when desperate clickbaiters wanted an anti-XIV narrative and they followed the mold.
Or, on the contrary, desperate clickbakers simply followed the general opinion among players and reinforced it.

>>542271236
Actual cultist in our midst
Maybe shitposter-san was right about yoshitroons all along

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>>542268185
>After more than 2 years, this cripplingly depressing realization continues to "strike the nerves" of the local peasant population
But why?

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>>542270721
They can not and will not post heroines like they do in other generals, because they only care about what wrong-think the other posters think. See that guy who's autistically melting down about correct opinions for days. He's refused to share any information about what heroines he likes when asked three times in a row

>>542271236
Sounds like your community are a bunch of semen slurping cowards, Jack
And I don't need any narrative spun to just look at the reviews, look at the content, and look at the discourse and figure out that it stinks

>>542272187
Because if XIII really is better than XVI, than that would mean a lot of very, very terrible things.
Things that some are simply not willing to admit. Some are not willing to admit how low the bar has fallen.

XIIIsissies still melting down it seems

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I'm very sorry all of you couldn't make your anti-DT narrative stick, but that doesn't change that the game was an objective success within the playerbase.

VI, VII, IX and X are the only top class ones

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Please continue policing incorrect opinions while praising and agreeing with correct opinions as per the /ffg/ post guidelines seen here: >>542261342

Unfortunately, I am unable to spend 18 hours of every day enforcing the policies of /ffg/, but I know that we can work together to get round the clock coverage of this issue as it develops. Thank you for your continued support and cooperation.

>>542272489
Lucky bancho proved Dawntrail took the game to its lowest numbers ever, cultist-kun

>>542272894
You mean the speculative metric fans of the game called faulty and was promoted by WoW tourists during the ShB exodus? I'm not sure this is making the point you think you're making.

>>542272315
>They can not and will not post heroines
>He's refused to share any information about what heroines he likes when asked three times in a row
Grim.

>>542271926
Seems so.

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>>542271926
I think he always was right. It's not a coincidence that new posters who arrive to the thread are capable of coming to a similar conclusion
The writing is on the wall. It's all there to see. Shameless, empty tribalism and blatant denial of reality abound.

>>542272489
>all of you
Implies majority
even your subconscious knows that everyone hated Dawntrail
press L3+R3 to accept the truth

>>542274803
The funniest part is that it's "our" narrative, not just simply "the" narrative.
Like, we are responsible for the negative reaction.
Not Yoshida. Not SE, not CS3. Not the fans who played the game and were pissed. Us. Lol

>>542274803
>Implies majority
The majority liked (and still like) DT, as I just proved.
I hope one day you'll get an opinion that isn't copypasted from Asmongold, it'll free your mind a lot.

>>542275381
I don't understand why we're false flagging with wrong opinions now, but here we are. Has Asmongold even said anything about Dawntrail? The guy didn't even finish Stormblood. He can't actually have an opinion about Dawntrail.

Can we PLEASE allow E33 discussion?

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>>542275693
It has to be a false flag. I've never seen anyone defend Dawntrail and its cratering playerbase.
/ffg/ truly has the most special posters

>>542275240
>Not Yoshida
Funny how you couldn't even have a "totally honest" discussion about XIV without inserting your pathetic obsession about Yoshida for 5 minutes. Really tells you everything.

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>>542269671
Reminder that you have to have bought, played, and not refunded Dawntrail to leave a review. Any spiteful wowfag would have to commit to all of this just to rate it negatively.

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>>542275953
Cultist-chan

>>542266428
You really got under his skin with that post, he's very, very angry...

>>542275883
The most damning part isn’t even it’s cratering existing playerbase, it’s also the fact that it’s barely getting any new players. It doesn’t help that you need to get through hundreds of hours of cutscenes and dull gameplay to even reach the worthwhile endgame stuff, and that problem gets worse and worse with every patch update and expansion.

>>542266428
It seems this post caused someone to become upset.

>>542276528
>It's bad that a producer defends his employees from my harassment campaign
Just pathetic behavior, really. Thank god you parasites are finally fucking off.

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>>542273041
Even the SE CEO himself admitted the player numbers are tanking lmao

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>>542276763
>Sena defender
actual yoshitroon spotted
It all makes sense now

>>542276763
You made dumpy very angry with this, good job.

>>542276763
Nearly everything that has ever been deemed a “harassment campaign” has turned out to have been completely justified backlash.

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>>542272894
>>542275883
>its lowest numbers ever
>cratering playerbase
While Dawntrail's MSQ is certainly an irredeemable piece of shit, your post is not true. Lowest numbers since Shadowbringers (5.3, covid, free trial meme, etc), perhaps, but not lowest numbers ever. While I do not deny that Dawntrail's MSQ is trash, there are multiple factors at play here including the new ability to hide Lodestones which is how this data is and was collected. It is not a coincidence that the first drop off in the meme shitpost chart happened immediately after this option was introduced. That's not to say that there aren't people leaving because WoW is apparently not completely dogshit again so at least some of those people probably went back, and anyone playing primarily for the MSQ is... well honestly, I think people who play primarily for the MSQ might actually be the Bluesky type of people who supposedly liked Dawntrail, but people who play primarily for content and then secondarily because the MSQ has traditionally been either good or decent - some of those people might have checked out. I know that the main reason I've ever resubbed in Dawntrail is only to keep my house, not to play the game or experience the MSQ, and for a good while there (8 or 9 months I believe) they had demolitions turned off so I was not subbed at all during that time. I'm even considering selling my house now because I already have more gil than I think I'd ever reasonably be able to spend, and instead of looking forward to playing the game when I resub like I used to, I dread resubbing and wonder what the point even is anymore, even if I do end up finding something to do in the game to enjoy my time because the battle content has actually been pretty good at least.

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>>542276763
The same producer that's shoving LGBT crap into JRPGs that were never political to begin with? Yeah, nah. He can fuck right off

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>>542277346
Yoshida is a fucking disgusting piece of shit, dude needs to go

>>542277346
>The same producer that's shoving LGBT crap into JRPGs that were never political to begin with?
Reminder that there is nothing "LGBT" about XIV. It is unfortunate that a Kate used her position to get one of her unqualified tranny VA friends hired to voice Wuk Lamat, but that has nothing to do with the character, and it was only in English. If anyone wasn't already playing with Japanese voices, they switched to Japanese voices because of Wuk Lamat's tranny VA. Keep in mind, Wuk Lamat is still a bad character even with a cute genki Japanese girl voicing her, but there is actually nothing actually LGBT about Wuk Lamat. It's a Japanese game, and Japanese people didn't even know about this originally, and they still thought Wuk Lamat was bad.

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Don't you find it interesting that the extremely honest and unbiased Dawntrail criticism magically transformed into" DT is bad because Yoshida doesn't follow my irrelevant culture war issue"? Funny how this always happens with these totally existing and real players who are totally deeply concerned about the game and not just chasing social media metrics. For some reason, they always seem to care about that a lot in XIV but never in WoW, curious!

Dawntrail is bad because the story is very poorly written.

>>542275883
>>542276859
Accurate.
>>542277284
coping troon

>>542277884
>irrelevant culture war issue
You do realize Yoshida's the one bringing this cultural crap into the games, right?
First he forces a disgusting gay character that everyone hates and that gross kiss scene into XVI in a series that never had this shit before
and now he's pushing tranny shit in XIV by casting a literal troon for a main character. FF used to be about gameplay and story, now it's just woke garbage. Yoshida is a fucking disgrace

>>542278394
>coping troon
You don't know what either one of these words means. My post was long, so it's very likely you didn't read it and you don't even know what it says.

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>>542278560
>a series that never had this shit before

None of this would have happened if Junior talked with Tony rather than needlessly bottling up his longing for a genuine family relationship.

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>>542278560
>FF used to be about gameplay and story, now it's just woke garbage. Yoshida is a fucking disgrace
You're not going to like it, and you're not even going to believe it, but XIV is truthfully less woke than Rebirth is. Kate using her position to get her tranny VA friend hired is not even one of the problems that real people experienced with Dawntrail. If you change the game's voice acting to any language besides English (which most people who play XIV do), then you didn't even know about it. Comparatively, the woke elements of Rebirth and XVI are actually inside of the game and you cannot remove them by simply switching to a different audio language.

Uh oh, Yoshitroon melty, he's now bringing up FFVII to deflect, what else is new

Same shit, different day. No heroine posts, no waifu discussion, no AI gens, no nothing, just piece of shit argumentative schizos repeating the same shit defenses for Yoshida ad nauseum.

>>542279025
>most people who play XIV do
They do not. You're living in some niche little group on xivg that you assume to be the majority.
They are not.

>>542279508
>I will forgive Hamaguchi for any DEI crimes
>however I will never let Yoshida get away with it

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>>542279406
It seems the truth has upset you. That's okay. The truth should upset you. You should be mad. You should be mad that Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama allowed Final Fantasy VII to become infected with DEI. You should be made that Dragon Quest girls are censored and that you must choose between Type A and Type B bodies. You should be mad that Tracy Fullerton's influence has spread throughout Square Enix and has at least partially shaped their newest releases. This should upset you. There's not anything any of us can do about it, but it is nevertheless upsetting.

>>542279508
>They do not. You're living in some niche little group on xivg that you assume to be the majority.
>They are not.
Can you be more expressive with your post? What are you even talking about? They do not and are not... what?
If you are referring to playing the game with non-English voice acting... do you realize that America is not the only place where people play XIV?

>>542279025
Honest question, do you really think shoving tranny shit and gay garbage into the game (XIV & XVI) isn’t woke?

And also, everyone, and literally everyone associates Wuk Lamat with troonism, and that’s on Yoshida. He apparently thinks the same way, since he’s constantly defending Sena and pushing this crap front and center.

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>>542279972
And yet, Yoshida is the worst of them all. Let’s not forget he literally hired a DEI consultant to ‘improve’ his game lol

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This is the same thing as no name background NPC's being black and gay. Yep.

>>542280551
what the fuck are these names ha ha ha

>>542280291
>>542280549
It's all pushed by SE corporate.
Same with the action game vs turnbased stuff
There's no reason to blame a particular game Director when it's coming from the top and infecting every game at SE like >>542279972 said.
Your boogeyman Yoshida isn't the one pushing for this shit.

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>>542280725
What? You're saying you don't like the iconic characters of Bakooljaja and Gulooljaja? What about Zoraalja and Zereelja and Sareelja and....

>>542280951
sounds like baby talk ha ha ha

>>542280291
>Honest question, do you really think shoving tranny shit and gay garbage into the game (XIV & XVI) isn’t woke?
There is no tranny or gay shit in XIV. However, there is gay shit in XVI. There is also gay shit in Rebirth. There is also woke shit in Dragon Quest. I did not experience a tranny VA in my XIV, and I still thought Dawntrail was bad and that Wuk Lamat was bad. Same with the JP playerbase.

>since he’s constantly defending Sena
He is the head of his studio, and he is defending one of his employees for truly doing nothing wrong. This is Kate's fault for getting her hired in the first place. Sena seems to be a piece of shit human being who whines on Twitter all day, but he did the best he can (I assume) pretending to be a South American woman. The fact he was even in that position is Kate's fault, and then I suppose Yoshida's for approving it, and he's just protecting someone who didn't do anything bad (that I am aware of). Kate, however, has said lots of bad things and she should not be defended.

>>542280549
Rebirth has much more DEI representation than XIV or XVI does. Truly, there is nothing woke about XIV, so I don't understand this narrative. You should be upset that it exists, but you should be upset at the correct people. Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama are more guilty in this than Yoshida is, and yet you seem to give them a pass for some reason. You cannot remove the DEI from Rebirth or Dragon Quest. Or XVI. You *can* remove the DEI from XIV, and most people never experienced DEI while playing Dawntrail, myself included.

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>>542280725
>>542280951
It's CS3 consulting with Americans for South American cultural sensitivity, resulting in picrel

>>542280551
Once again, I played XIV and never experience the tranny VA. Wuk Lamat is bad character who is annoying and occupies too much screen time. That is true. But my Wuk Lamat was a genki Japanese girl who was actually cute sometimes, and I still thought she was a bad character. And my Wuk Lamat is the Wuk Lamat that most people who played Dawntrail experienced.

>>542280725
>>542281175
>It's CS3 consulting with Americans for South American cultural sensitivity, resulting in picrel
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mamool_Ja
You have no idea what you're talking about. I guess not everyone can be a true fan of Final Fantasy like myself.

Anyway, I've spent some time in South America, and I can tell you that the consulting that CS3 did was very on point. A lot of the names of places sound exactly like Quechua words and names, and the outfits people wear in many of the locations are quite reminiscent of the traditional attire of the natives.

>>542276561
Yes, it is.

All five of us should organise a meetup at some point. We can discuss FF and E33 long into the night.

>>542277884
Interesting how every single word of this post ended up being correct.

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>>542280862
>>542281090
>no it’s SE corporate’s fault (even though Yoshida was/is part of SE’s management)
>no it’s Kate’s fault for hiring Sena (like it wasn’t Yoshida who approved it, he is the head of the studio after all)
no it’s Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama’s fault (and no, they’re not more guilty since none of them ever forced a game to have a tranny or faggot as a main character)
it’s always everyone’s fault for you Yoshicult idiots and never Yoshida’s fault, huh?

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>>542281175
I just really really love tacos, papa and peace !

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https://youtu.be/LzbJViFwshU?t=401
For the uncultured, uneducated retards in this thread who don't even know anything about Final Fantasy and think that the Mamool Ja are the result of cultural consulting for Dawntrail, the above video is what the Quechua language sounds like. For anyone who actually played Dawntrail (if any of you truly did, which is doubtful) you will see what I mean when I say that many of the words and names in Dawntrail do sound a lot like the Quechua language. Additionally, as I said before, the attire worn in many of the places is reminiscent of some South American traditional wear. So I say that the cultural consulting they did was pretty accurate, but the Mamool Ja were not part of this, and if you didn't already know that you're not a Final Fantasy fan.

>>542282243
Rin is such a faggot

it looks pleasant there

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>>542282405
>Mamool Ja are the result of cultural consulting for Dawntrail
They were much better and much less gay in FFXI.

XIV is really gay and uninteresting

>>542282243
>>no it’s SE corporate’s fault
True. I think it primarily trickles down from Tracy Fullterton, but that's speculation.
>>no it’s Kate’s fault for hiring Sena
Kate and Sena are friends. Sena being hired is directly Kate's fault.
>>like it wasn’t Yoshida who approved it
I did say that it was also Yoshida's fault for approving it.

>no it’s Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama’s fault
I do not necessarily believe that it is their "fault" (see: Tracy Fullerton) but they are nevertheless guilty of the same crime.
>and no, they’re not more guilty since none of them ever forced a game to have a tranny or faggot as a main character
There is significantly more DEI representation in Rebirth than any other Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game.

>it’s always everyone’s fault for you Yoshicult idiots and never Yoshida’s fault, huh?
If you could read correctly, you would not be having this issue you are currently making yourself upset about. I said that it should make you upset, and you should be upset, but that you should be upset uniformly, as this is an issue that is now seemingly endemic to Square Enix and it is not isolated to only the developer you decided you hated. They are all guilty.

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Oh boy.
It's not enough that I can't pick my elements how I want, I also have to deal with EIGHT elements.

>>542282858
Until I pointed it out, no one in this thread even knew they came from XI.
They thought it was the result of cultural consulting for Dawntrail.

>127 filtered posts

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Nybeth? MASTER NYBETH?

>>542283069
Based and true
>>542283153
>>542283501
Not Final Fantasy
>>542283263
You did no such thing you disingenuous faggot
>>542283369
Coward

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wha

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>>542283582
>You did no such thing you disingenuous faggot
You're acting very weird. Yes, I did.

See >>542281553
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mamool_Ja
>You have no idea what you're talking about. I guess not everyone can be a true fan of Final Fantasy like myself.

and >>542282405
>the Mamool Ja were not part of this, and if you didn't already know that you're not a Final Fantasy fan.

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>>542283069
Funny how Tracy Fueltron only joined SE in June 2024, a whole year after the wokest FF game, XVI, dropped
DT was already done by then
you keep blaming "SE management" while conveniently ignoring Yoshida.
Hmm… I’m noticing.

Also funny how you claim Rebirth has more DEI, when XVI and XIV are the ones packed with actual LGBT/woke crap.
But again, you just ignore that part, huh?
Hmmm... I’m really noticing.

>>542284240
Rebirth is wokest FF game by far.
7R is pretty gay as well.
I'm not sure why you resist this fact so adamantly.
Maybe some sort of personal bias at play?

>>542284240
>Funny how Tracy Fueltron only joined SE in June 2024
Well, I believe how it went was that Sweet Baby, Inc. started getting a lot of backlash, people noticed Square Enix was on there, then Square Enix was taken off, and Tracy Fullerton appeared on the board. I might be mistaken, but I believe that was the rough chain of events.

>a whole year after the wokest FF game, XVI, dropped
Like I said before, Rebirth has significantly more DEI representation than any Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game.
>you keep blaming "SE management" while conveniently ignoring Yoshida.
...what? I've said multiple times now that it was Yoshida's fault for approving Kate's nepotism hire, Sena, and that all modern FF and DQ devs are gulity of the same crime - adding unnecessary DEI.

>Also funny how you claim Rebirth has more DEI
It has the most DEI representation of any FF or DQ game, yes. That is true.
>when XVI and XIV are the ones packed with actual LGBT/woke crap.
Once again, there is nothing woke that is actually inside of XIV. My Wuk Lamat was a genki Japanese girl who was actually cute sometimes, and I still didn't like Wuk Lamat or Dawntrail. XVI does have a gay couple, that is true. I have already said XVI has DEI representation.
>But again, you just ignore that part, huh?
...nope, not ignoring anything, you just seem to be incapable of reading.

>Hmm… I’m noticing.
>Hmmm... I’m really noticing.
I'm noticing that you either can't read or you refuse to. What do you feel like you are noticing?

>>542284708
>Maybe some sort of personal bias at play?
He does seem like a 7R cultist. He seems to give Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama a free pass for including as much DEI in Final Fantasy VII as they want, which is significantly more than has ever been present in any prior FF or DQ game. He chooses to ignore this for some reason.

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>>542284708
That can’t be right, XVI literally has a gay character everyone hates, and they force you to sit through to watch two dudes kissing, game’s packed with homo innuendo too.
And don’t even get me started on XIV, lmao

>>542285431
we call this "cultist projection".
whenever someone makes fun of a Yoshida project or the man himself, they immediately start crying about something else and project the mockery onto that unrelated thing.

>>542285431
Why are you incapable of admitting that Rebirth has a ton of DEI in it?
Why do you refuse to admit that Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama are guilty of the same crime which you persecute Yoshida for?

>XVI literally has a gay character everyone hates
Actually, I think Dion is very well received, but he is gay. No one is denying this. You are the only person denying that Rebirth is gay and woke. You think everything is Yoshida's fault and that nothing can possibly be Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, or Motomu Toriyama's fault, even when they are guilty of the same crime you choose to persecute Yoshida for. Why is that?

>>542285431
>XVI literally has a gay character everyone hates
Who's this "everyone"? Is it in the room?

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FATHERLESS

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never ending meltdown
never any heroines

>>542285747
>Why do you refuse to admit that Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama are guilty of the same crime which you persecute Yoshida for?
where's the gay kiss in remake or rebirth

>>542286220
kek

>>542285747
Why do you refuse to admit Yoshida’s the worst out of all of them?

Also, if you seriously think the gay character in XVI was well received, you're not even fit for this conversation.
That gay dude is one of the main reasons people bailed on the game. It was blatant disgusting LGBT token crap shoved in for clout

XVI’s getting trashed across the board. Sure, it’s not just because of that, but let’s not pretend it didn’t do damage.That character alone probably cost them millions in lost sales.

Hamaguchi is the worst imo

>>542286534
>reddit spacing

>>542286979
meant for
>>542283069
>>542281553
>>542285747
>>542284924

>>542286414
There is no gay kiss in Remake or Rebirth, though Cloud does get pretty close, teasingly so. There's cross dressing and very homosexual dancing as well as the most DEI representation that has ever been present in any FF or DQ game.

>>542286534
>Why do you refuse to admit Yoshida’s the worst out of all of them?
One gay couple with a single gay kiss, to me, is not worse than what is present in Remake and Rebirth. Let's not forget that Part 3 is also on its way and is sure to be even more DEI than Rebirth was.

>Also, if you seriously think the gay character in XVI was well received, you're not even fit for this conversation.
Dion was well received, yes, even here. I recall people saying that they thought Dion was the best character and that it sucks that he was gay. Dion is a well received character despite being gay, not because of it.
>That gay dude is one of the main reasons people bailed on the game.
Well, my personal opinion is that there are people who would hate Yoshida no matter what he did, and that's mostly why the internet has decided that people bailed on XVI. The single gay kiss is just (justifiable) fuel for the fire.

>That character alone probably cost them millions in lost sales.

>>542287087
>There is no gay kiss in Remake or Rebirth
>are guilty of the same crime which you persecute Yoshida for?
So this was a lie.

>>542286534
>>542287087
>>That character alone probably cost them millions in lost sales.
I accidentally pressed ctrl
Doubtful. Considering that Remake only sold 3.5 million copies week 1 and that XVI sold 3 million copies week 1 and that Rebirth maybe sold 2 million copies week 1 at a very generous estimate, it's unlikely that a single gay kiss cost XVI *millions* in lost sales. Maybe like 500k tops. If Final Fantasy VII Remake can only get 3.5m week 1, and if XVI got 3m week 1 despite the gay kiss and despite the Yoshida hate cult, I don't think many sales were lost due to it.

>>542287241
>So this was a lie.
No, you're just moving goalposts to avoid answering for your end of this "conversation" - that you give Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama a free pass for including as much DEI as they want to in Final Fantasy VII, which to be clear is more DEI representation than any other FF or DQ game has ever had. And Part 3 is likely to include even more. They aren't even done putting DEI in Final Fantasy VII yet. But you like it when they do it.

>>542286979
You really angered the cult.

>>542287449
>No, you're just moving goalposts
> are guilty of the same crime which you persecute Yoshida for?
>Rebirth and remake does not have a gay kiss = not the same crime that yoshida committed
so weird to act like any one is moving goalposts when you set the goal and then admitted you weren't correct.

If you make fun of a rich person on 4chan, that means you're in a hate cult

>>542287615
You still haven't explained why you like when Kamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama put DEI in their games, but you hate the one time Yoshida did the same thing, so I accept your concession. I asked you many times and you have never even tried to explain it. You just keep moving goalposts and saying "no u" like a cultist.

>>542287782
>but you hate the one time
lol
lmao even

>>542287087
The only people trying to say Dion was well received are the same faggots who didn’t even buy the game. Let's face it no straight male wants faggots shoved into their games.

Yoshida wasn’t as hated before XVI. Besides some schizos like Barry, most people saw him in a positive light. Then XVI dropped, he shoved all that woke LGBT bullshit into it, and people started turning on him.

I guess we're never going to be capable of addressing the fact that Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama happily and willingly put the most DEI representation that Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest has ever had into Final Fantasy VII Rebirth or explaining why we like it when they put the most DEI *ever* into Final Fantasy VII. Nor will they be able to explain when Part 3 includes even more DEI than previously thought possible.

>>542288069
>put the most DEI representation that Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest has ever had
besides XVI and XIV

>>542287840
Ehhh, they just didn't do enough with him. Just like everyone besides clive and cid, he's kind of underdeveloped. Just like bad pacing, having a mostly boring cast of main characters seems to be a recurring theme with these games.

FFV had crossdressing/gender hiding before vii btw.

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>>542287449
You’re conveniently forgetting Remake sold 3.5 million copies in 3 days. A few months later it hit 5 million, then 7 million by 2023.

It kept selling strong, unlike XVI, which clearly has no legs since sales just stopped.

And if you wanna bring up Rebirth, remember it’s already performing better on PC and getting way more well received everywhere, plus, it’s FF7, it’s basically guaranteed to keep selling, unlike the dumpster fire that is XVI

>>542288215
Cont.
Like, in XV the banter between the boys was fun, but Noctis was really the only one with decent characterization. What was the last time we got a good main cast? X?

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>>542288182
Rebirth quite objectively has the most DEI representation ever depicted in any Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game. You can argue that one gay kiss is worse than an entire world full of DEI, but that comes down to opinion. This still doesn't explain why you love DEI when Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama do it though.

>>542288604
>Rebirth quite objectively has the most DEI representation ever depicted in any Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game
besides XVI and XIV.

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>>542288675
>"Rebirth has the most DEI"
>"No, XIV and XVI have the most DEI"

>>542288604
Sadly true

>>542288930
option A has a gay kiss, gay sex with a trans alien, devs bragging about consulting a DEI frim, having sweet baby inc in the credits and transexual voice actors.
the other is rebirth.

Rebirth made me gay

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>>542288515
>You’re conveniently forgetting Remake
I'd like to remind you that this conversation is about why you love DEI when Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama do it and that it is not about sales. Anyway, I'm not "conveniently forgetting" anything. What I said in my post is accurate.

>remember it’s already performing better on PC and getting way more well received everywhere
Well, that's debatable. There are no official sales (because they were bad) and the speculative ones vary too wildly. It's also not "way more well received everywhere". Like, objectively. That's not even my opinion, that's a fact. Pic related. I don't understand why you 7R cultists are like this. Like, this entire bullshit conversation right now only exists because you can't admit that "your" game devs are just as guilty of DEI as "your enemy's" game devs. There's no way you like the DEI in Rebirth, yet here you are defending it anyway.

>plus, it’s FF7, it’s basically guaranteed to keep selling
That is definitely true. Some people will buy and defend with their lives anything with "FF7" on it no matter what. And when the actually complete edition bundle (because they split what was originally 1 game into 3 games as a cash grab to sell more products to nostalgic fans) eventually gets a discount, I expect that many triple-dipped copies of the FF7 Remake series will be added to the tally, and that eventually it will get to 10 million and maybe even 15 or 20 million in total triple-dipped sales. On that we can agree.

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I can't help but notice that whenever XIII get criticized, suddenly, there's an influx of posts hating on XVI.
How odd...

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>>542288515
Rebirth didn't even get a 1M sold update lil bro
FFXVI has outsold Rebirth at least 2x over across all platforms.
The only reason we didn't get a 5M announcement for XVI was to avoid embarrassing the Rebirth team.

He's still spamming?

>>542289424
XVI flopping has melted his mind sadly.

>>542289397
Wait till you notice that all of the Lightning posts disappear the instant anyone starts mentioning Jimbo, or that the Lightning posts usually also disappear any time VIIR is under attack.

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>>542289424
Yes

>>542289629
Better add 'sadly true' to the filter list

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The more cripple fights I see between XIII, XV and XVI fans, the more I realize how much of an idiot I was for thinking II was the worst game in the series. Good job guys, you made me appreciate goddamn II. At least the emperor is a genuinely cool villain.

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>>542289548
I remember...

>>542289717
Got it

>>542289071
Don't forget, no RPG to play. No party. No exploration. No mini games. No rewards

I don't like the DEI in Rebirth and overrepresentation of Blacks. Not one bit. But it's almost all in the background, no name NPCs, to the point that people who are more blind to it don't actually notice it at all or they otherwise just don't care about miscegenation or homosexual couples, as long as it's not being pushed in front of them with main story characters who whisper to each other in close up camera shots.

>>542289993
>I don't like the DEI in Rebirth and overrepresentation of Blacks. Not one bit.
Holy shit, that took you god damn hours to finally admit. Let's see if we can get you to attach the names Hamaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, and Motomu Toriyama to this as well. That's probably asking too much though. I'm surprised you even finally conceded this much.

>>542289796
I think I'm mixing the names of the "recurring characters" again. Barry/XV-kun is obvious. I think Vanilleposter and Clairefag were different people? There's the Eikoposter who's been missing for a while, there's the guy who spammed Opera Omnia screenshots and there's the guy who always post that one FFVI scene and says SE should make a Star Wars game. Which one was Jimbo again?

>>542290157
NTA you've been arguing with, obviously

>>542290489
>Which one was Jimbo again?
Jimbo is the name of a Reddit account that made fun of the ending of Remake and the people who enjoyed it 5 years ago. The Jimbo Reddit account also said that he'd be posting on /v/ every day until the trilogy was done or something like that.

There is someone here, "Paulie" (aka "newfag" Lightning avatarfag, he's just Paulie pretending to be someone new because he schizo'd out way too hard and ruined his thread cred here) who has been obsessed with tracking down the human behind that Reddit account for the past 5 years. This includes a bunch of accounts across the internet like Steam, Twitter, some zoophile site, Twitch, etc. Paulie does things like watch Twitch VoDs and screenshot every single thing the account he thinks is Jimbo's says and he made a collage of it. He also think that NightSkyPrince is Jimbo for some reason. No one has ever seen any evidence whatsoever that any of these accounts are the same as Jimbo from Reddit, and no one has ever seen any evidence whatsoever that any of Paulie's 4chan bogeyman are actually Jimbo from Reddit.

>>542291086
so insightful about people that aren't you.

>>542291075
>NTA you've been arguing with, obviously
I see. Well, that explains it.

>>542291261
I had no idea who Jimbo or Paulie were until Paulie turned every single /ffg/ thread into hundreds upon hundreds of posts about Jimbo, for months, and this began only after Square Enix failed to announce any sales numbers for Rebirth, so I believe that was the catalyst for his meltdown, which lasted for months until he "left" and came back as "a new person".

>>542291473
its very sad that you care about any of this, that you even convinced yourself that what you just typed was fact.

>>542291718
It is very sad that anyone is forced to have the knowledge of any of this, but what I just typed is an unfortunate fact. I miss when /ffg/ was a gacha thread. It was way less schizophrenic back then and it was way more actually about Final Fantasy than it is now. I feel like there were more people here back then too, but maybe not.

>>542291887
>I miss when /ffg/ was a gacha thread.
then XVI flopped and it was downhill ever since.

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The saddest part is that when it's all said and done, XIII was still a better FF game than XVI

>>542291963
>then XVI flopped and it was downhill ever since.
Well, no, Opera Omnia went EoS on the same day that Rebirth came out. WotV and BE were still around but people had stopped talking about those games for years already by that point. When XVI came out there was actually zero change in /ffg/ at all. The only thing that happened was the people who spent all day shitposting about XIV and Yoshida were now shitposting about XVI and Yoshida instead.

>>542292219
>Well, no, Opera Omnia went EoS on the same day that Rebirth came out.
Weird how that EoS decision was made before rebirth came out. Sadly, XVI flopping killed the gacha and there's been nothing to replace it since.

>>542291086
>thread cred
Normally I'd laugh at you, but the fatherless' immediate rage at you in >>542291261 proves that you're right.

>>542292058
I really wish this were true,
but it is not.
There are very few FF games that XIII is better than, sadly.

>>542292426
>Weird how that EoS decision was made before rebirth came out.
...no? That's normally how it goes. Nothing weird about it at all.

>Sadly, XVI flopping killed the gacha and there's been nothing to replace it since.
Again, no. For Opera Omnia specifically, what killed it was the paid gem cap that they introduced to JP. It caused the JP whales to quit the game, and for a long while GL was making 2-3x as much as JP was. Unfortunately, if the JP version is shitting the bed, I think it has to EoS if it's a JP game. Also, that Atellier gacha (also Team Ninja) was coming out shortly after the OO EoS announcement, so I think it was a decision that Team Ninja made, not necessarily Square Enix.

>>542292487
Yeah, the truth of /ffg/ is pretty wild sometimes. It makes you sound schizo just to tell it like it is.

At this point I realize I've got to let go. Being angry about how my favorite game franchise has gone down the shitter used to be kind of fun on its own way, kind of like that one redlettermedia meme, but at this point it's just tiresome. Playing through the second half of XVI was genuinely painful. Once I get enough free time to actually play Rebirth, if the game isn't good enough, I'll just move on.

>>542292814
XIII trilogy mogs XVI into oblivion.

>>542293661
Rebirth has so much fun stuff to do, it's actually overwhelming.

>>542293661
>Once I get enough free time to actually play Rebirth, if the game isn't good enough, I'll just move on.
>I'll just move on.
Highly unlikely. For multiple reasons, but primarily because you still have to wait for and then purchase Part 3 a couple years from now.

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What a trainwreck. I dunno if I suck at TO or if it's intended, but I feel like I'm barely staying ahead of the enemy, even in friendly maneuvers.

>>542293739
Lmao no
XIII trilogy mogs nothing
It's bottom tier

>>542293920
Of course, most people can't move on, and I admit I'm bad at doing so, but i've got to try. Thankfully, I'm really stingy, so the only way I'm getting part 3, assuming rebirth is good enough and my PC can run it, is through piracy. What, you think I paid for rebirth?

>>542294334
>What, you think I paid for rebirth?
I suppose I did think that you were a video game purchaser. I myself am no longer a video game purchaser either. At least, not usually. Not since XV came out. I only buy games that I must buy (online) or games that I pirate and end up liking. Usually if that happens I don't buy a game until it's on sale, but sometimes I like a game so much that I buy it at full price (though this is almost always an indie game that is only like $20-30 full price anyway). It's a blessing that Denuvo is a subscription now. I can just play other games in the backlog while waiting for Denuvo to fall off.

>>542294709
I barely play any new games, I mostly just emulate older stuff. The only 2025 games I care about are silksong, e33 and hades 2, and that's more than usual. Indies are cheap and usually get a lot of updates, so they are the only ones really worth buying.

>>542269773
I disliked LO and BD and I’m not sure why.
Perhaps because I’d heard them both talked up for years.

I liked all the FF games I played.

I like all Final Fantasy.

I’m sure an E33 MMO would put yoshitpiss out of business.

>>542299508
Obsessed. XIII's still trash tho

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is truly The Last of Us of RPGs, seen as "unique game making a statement and best story telling" ... When plenty has done it better but they're not popular or old games

It's a good game but I don't think it should be used to downplay other great games

>>542299786
Seems so

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>>542299508
Putain…

>>542300145
It had the potential to be a truly great game, but unfortunately is squandered all of that potential in Act III. In the end, it was just a good game, not a great one.

>>542300287
That's some deep-seated grudge you have here.

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We need to treat XVI better.

>>542302037
The multi million dollar company doesn't need to get treated better or whatever.

>>542302930
Yet you cry when XIII gets treated like it deserves, poorly.
How odd, mmmm...

>>542303065
No, I don't. If you're gonna shit on me, at least say something like "you cry like a bitch every time someone calls IX slow".

>>542303202
But it isn't?

>>542302930
>The multi million dollar company doesn't need to get treated better or whatever.
We love to forget this every single time /ffg/ talks negatively about VIIR.

>>542303428
Oh yeah, too many people go "but the developers are so passionate, the game is a work of love, don't be so mean". If SE didn't waste so much of their budget on hyperrealistic graphics, people would unironically use the "small indie company" argument at this point.

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>>542303921
>hyperrealistic graphics

There is zero proof that anyone disliked VIIR.

>>542304323
I'm talking about the intent, not the execution.

We need to treat XVI worse.

>>542304534
I don't even think that's possible

>>542300145
Thats actually a perfect description.

I only play Square Enix games and Mistwalker games, because those are the best ones.

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>we received a TON of feedback
That’s a nice way of saying that everyone told us the game sucked.

>>542307050
Actually, FFXVI reviewed quite positively.
FF Union themselves even did a poll on fan reception of XVI.

I think its safe to say that when its all said and done XV will have been more influential and will be looked back on more fondly than XVI.

>>542307407
Yeah, but one fatherless on 4chan said it was bad.

>>542307890
Unlikely

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Genki is back in my good books

>>542313825
>proud of owning a piece of turd

>>542313825
Based Genki, advertising stuff only for real FF fans.

>ff16
>real FF fans
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>542316169
You angered the cult.

>>542293661
Be like me then. I like the new games.
Every FF game has something I don't like but it does not stop me.

>>542321245
>Every FF game has something I don't like but it does not stop me.
Oh yeah? Name them. I'm curious what you dislike about VI or VIII.

>>542321496
>I'm curious what you dislike about VI or VIII.
Now that you mention it, maybe most games don't have things that I specifically dislike.
Actually JRPG isn't my #1 genre, but I mostly play it for the story and literary value, so even if the gameplay sucks I'll keep playing.
I don't like grinding and turn-based battles are exhausting and repetitive.

>>542263750
XIII confirmed not Final Fantasy

XVI confirmed Final Fantasy.

>>542321936
Seems so.

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Aerith is every balding loner's Final Fantasy.