Previously: >>542314353>What... is this?Put simply, a simulation of Pro Evolution Soccer being competed between teams which are embodiments of boards of the 4chan imageboard. The players represent facets of each board's culture. All of the matches are AI versus AI. However, humans "manage" each team, creating their tactics and giving input during games as they happen to make substitutions and tactical changes as they see fit.https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/FAQ>Where can I watch the cup?https://isthisliv.com/4cc/stream.html>Current Cup https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Autumn_Babby_Cup_Qualifiershttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Autumn_Babby_Cup>Current Invitationalshttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki/New_Thread_Cup_4>Upcoming Invitationalshttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Divegrass_Before_Christmas_6:_This_can%27t_wait_a_month>Wiki:https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Main_Page>Sekkrit Code37pebis>DLC Passworddivegrass>Booruhttps://isthisliv.com/booru/>Other videoshttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Videos>PES Infohttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2015>previouslyThe thread centers on live match reactions, tactical talk, and debate over new teams like /1999/. Many users criticize PES15’s flawed gameplay and a last-minute rule change meant to fix high scores. Beyond the matches, drama erupts through “waifu wars” and heated complaints about livestream commentary.
tsuuuuuuuuuu
threesome with zoer and sangen
So /4ccg/, when are we going to make the jump to Football Manager?They're adding fluid this yearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFIuWqlVQishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LVsNOZkpZc
/a/ needs to recruit the /fluff/ manager
All this bitching about 15 just feels like newfag managers seething over having been exposed as being worse than managers from the so-called plumber era desu
>>542496859trvke, get on it JNT
>>542496861cope
>>542496764does anything funny even happen in football manager during the matches?isn't usually most of the gameplay behind like menus and making deals and trades and shit?
GIVE ME FREEDOMGIVE ME FIREGIVE ME THE SAME PES EVERY SINGLE CUPOR I RETIRE
>>542496861trvth nvke
>>542496764There won't be a way to just play matches against each other
>>542496861They can’t cope with not being able to just copy the meta, make slight changes and run it
>>542496975this but unironically.
>>542496973spaghetti happens in FM. maybe not quite as much as some PES versions but it's there when you least want it(and I hope you like Guess the Scoreline because that's a staple of FM too)
>>542496861In the first full invitiational on 15 a manager that’s never been in any of the major three leagues win over experienced ones from them and multiple games had major streamer errors, wierd AI behaviour or were some of the. Ingest PESings seen on any recently used version, most managers didn’t like it, viewers complained it was boring and autopilots just dunk on people in most things. It’s terrible and not even worth using again even for Winter.
>>542496975I called for a different PES after Summer, but like most I didn't ask for this broken trash.
>>542497257are you having a stronk
>>542497257>not even worth using again for WinterYet Sou has said he's stubborn on having this last through Summer through any rules changes needed.
>>542497257my esl LIEGE...
>>542496764If someone was serious about FM, they'd make an invitational to show off how it'd work.
>>542497724[you cant]
To everyone asking: yes, everything you see on riggybet is random. The teams are sorted randomly, pre-match tactics are random and in-match changes are random.
>>542497257Autopilots have always beaten up on shitters. Autos gave won VGLs and even elites before
>>542497476if 15 gets used again for spring/summer, im just not signing my team up, simple. the only answer to more than one cycle on this is to just not play like 18. 16 was less scuffed than this and didnt get a second cycle
>>542497928What is /yourteam/?
>>542497023Can we run it on cup mode? It was first abandoned because of alphabet abuse for breaking ties for group stage promotion, but I would expect a game like FM to allow setting different rules for that.
>>542497257>the first full invitiational on 15 a manager that’s never been in any of the major three leagues win over experienced ones fromThis is who /fluff/ beat >Taba >/2hug/ schizo >SgBong, collector of fetus spoons >a /h/anny autopilot >/bant/ management
>>542497928BasedIf Sou wants another cycle of 15, better get ready to make a lot of autopilots. >tfw not punishing /myteam/'s fans refusing toe sign up but requesting an autopilot if 15 gets a second cycle
>>542498134/yucamp/ was not Taba, it was Prow.
>>542497881how about you randomly kill yourself
>>542498182>>542497928Sou discussed it last thread last night if you want look at what he said if you don't believe me
>>542497928Everyone should just refuse to submit exports for autumn until we move off 15
>>542498532he can discuss it all he likes, another cycle of this trash and multiple teams are going to organise and scorched earth that cycle
>>542496764FM is abysmal dogshit no matter how much they dress it up
Are we really calling a PES broken because a new manager did well on it
>>542498624No, I think Autumn should run and as many as possible should take part, but to prove it's fucked. Once half the teams are burned out and against having another cup using it that's when the serious talks begin.
>>542497257The /fluff/ manager has been around in invitationals for a while and won baglel, for whatever that is worth, so it's not like he just airdropped out of nowhereStreamer errors aren't the game's fault and dirty PESings have always happened
If Autumn is a trash heap then reevaluate for Winter. I’m not convinced it will be.
>>542498624>>542498727Sirs, please, it's important. Show us on the doll where PES15 hurt you.
i have information that will lead to the arrest, trial and imprisonment of sou for crimes against humanity including the shilling of pes 2015
I don't like 15 but all this seething is getting really silly at this point. I'm starting to think Kregg had a point when he said people were taking the cup too seriously and this is part of what he meant, it's not even shitposting about how much you don't like 15 it's just "GRRRR 15 MADE ME SPILL MY MILK, 15 PUSHED ME DOWN THE STAIRS 15 KEKED ME FROM MY WIFE 15 SHOT MY DOG 15 IS THE REASON MY LIFE HAS GONE TO SHIT"
Akkolel is marginally above babby tier, the only serious manager in it is the /wsg/ manager and he just slapped together an export and didn’t notice he had auto preset change on.
I'm gonna laugh so hard if Autumn ends up being conpletely fine as a cupSome of you faggots better get the plungers and wrenches ready because it turns out YOU were the plumbers all alonh
>>542496764>>542496973>>542497724>>542498114FM Matches are 90 minutes long, so first of we would have to change how long the matches are, because on the fastest speed setting where the match is watchable, 30 in-game seconds is about 25 real seconds, so over the course of 90 minutes that only cuts 15 minutes. That's far, far too long. The option is then to watch 'highlights', but that means there will be time just staring at a stat screen, nobody will really be able to interact and live-manage because the timer will speed by, and the matches will have incredibly variable time-lengths. This then has it's own host of problems with having to change the engine more so goals are scored in the compressed time frame and other things like that.Secondly, they are not adding the Versus mode to FM26, because nobody plays it. Previously they made you sign up for an FM community account and you had to own the game and log-in in order to access it.So that leaves a League save that you set up and run. But you can only host 16 managers locally, which means at most you can control 16 teams. So you would probably have to create a database for each group in the group stage and then RO16, and then force the match days to be separate from each other so we can actually watch every single match and have people manage every match. Also because there will be in-game time between the matches, we'll have to find a way to deal with training, fitness, morale, injuries, etc, which is just a big headache.We are probably never using FM to do the cup because of these things, it's just not feasible.It's fun to think about if you like football, and if you take the time to make the teams and run a little simmed league it might be interesting to see what happens, but it's not watchable or interactable at all as it stands, and probably never will be.
The good exports in Akko had no problem scoring or looking good.
>>542498624>>542498727>>542497928KWAB
>>542497928ill sign up your team and you will enjoy it
>>542499004I've had a test event, a full invitational and a fetus to see it's a dumpster fire and it's bad. I'm not so against it I wouldn't use it for Autumn because that's just a fuck you at the multiple people who spent months trying to get 15 up to a useable state, so they get their cup at least rather than a 'no thanks for your work we're not evening using it' but after that as far as I'm concerned it's knives out for 15. .
Nooooticing how every AB15 little bitch is blatantly ESL
>>542499847Running at least one cup on 15 is a good thing for the reasons you've mentioned, but it needed more time so people could find a decent ruleset for it. There was no need to rush things just because it was "usable".
>>542499847>the multiple people who spent months trying to get 15 up to a useable stateThat was Sou's reasoning for why he's going to be stubborn about 15.
>>542500061There is nothing wrong with this current ruleset
>>542499847Conveniently ignoring the three cups and however many invitationals that ran on 15 ages ago and went perfectly fine
>>542499224this screams coping and /admin/ or more likely sou (because only him and crimson are even clearly in favor of 15, rest have concerns or sat on their hands or were neutral) fucking up and projecting rather than just accepting the L that 15 was a bad idea and moving on.
>>542500181The good Akko teams were fine to watch.
80% of today's managers would've been raped and gaped by robot seagulls even after they were figured out
>>542499356But it won't be, there was a lot of pushback on 16 over the idea of going back to it again but it turned out to be a nothingburger initially but after two cups there was a soft consensus of 'this wasn't as bad as the doomposters said but yeah this wasn't great, we're doing 17 next cycle instead'. We're at that point at the end of that 16 cycle already and 15 hasn't even had a cup proper since returning yet.
>>542500174Go tell that to sou.
>>542500596Holy historical revisionism Batman!
People have different definitions of a successful cup, often due to how much they are paying attention to each game. I've already seen enough of 15 to only want to watch a match here and there instead of the whole event to make it tolerable.
>>542499961/u/ have been testing it since the week after Summer finished. But I'm also noticing warnings about 15 are coming from testing autists that have probably seen more of 15 than half the managers will over the entire cycle in the preseason alone so make what you want of that.
>>542500946I'm a Winter manager and cannot WAIT to retvrn to 15
>>542500061>t-t-the ruleset will '''fix''' 15, I promise!!!You can fix 17 or 19 with ruleset or setting changes but 15 and also 16 are just not good for reasons rulesets can't fix. TMA had multiple attempts at trying to 'fix' 16 with different VTL rulesets that made no real improvement, 15 is that but worse. Ruleset tweaking won't save 15.
>>542501201Nice misquoting.
This dude got absolutely fucking raped by 15.
>>542501338it's tragic desu
All these newfags bitching about 15 is so funny to meYou really are a bunch of coping little babies, if Autumn ends up fun I'm nominating you for KWABOTY
>>542501441I think we need to create a survivor"s club, so survivors of PESes can talk about their experience and overcome their trauma together instead of KWABing out publically.
Back in my day, we watched shitty PES and liked it.
>>542501502and when autumn ends up being even worse than the fetus, there's a lot of coping 15 apologists that are getting a told you so award
VGL will NEVER be on 15VTL will NEVER be on 15
>>542501720VGL audiences and even somehow VTL audiences will both go up again while 4CC goes down on 15.
>>542501635It won't lmao
>>542501502tears streaming down his eyes
>>542501113I'm a Winter manager and I can't wait for Autumn so I can just cut-and-paste the best autopilot then get a free pass to final day
4ccg is one of the last bastions of old 4chan. Pointless contrarianism and arguing for the sake of it to pass the time.
>>542501920Yeah, I've been laughing so hard at you it's even made me cryMy sides haven't hurt this badly in years
>>542502054>she thinks the 'ccg is the only place on 4chan where people don't argue about inane shit
>>542502201>"one of the last" means "the only">"arguing for the sake of it" means "people don't argue about inane shit"My liege...
cloud
>15 wont get fixed will be on something else!>Ok maybe will be on 15 but it's still too old!>The demonstrations were bad, there's no way Sou will accept this!>After the qualifiers and akkolel, Sou will make an emergency switch!>Autumn is going to be so bad, You'll see! <---you are here>So what if Autumn groups weren't as bad as I was doomposting?!? the knockouts will be what disappoints!>So what if the knockouts were good? Winter will be a catastrophe!>What do you MEAN Winter groups wasn't all that bad??? i-it was b-b-bad to me...>STOP LIKING/BEING FINE WITH PES'S I DON'T LIKE
>>542502594sangenfags in shambles, not even near the top words used, zoerGODS can't stop winningzoer general
>>542502594
>>542496918>>542496859AFAIK he is a /bag/ fag, I don't think he uses /a/ or cares. But /a/ is still looking for people if he wants.
>>542502594>rape /fluff/b-but they're my wives
>>542502594why can't we just fuck 15 off and go to PES Zoer
There is no point to /a/ anymore after /sp/ won its 3rd star. Just retire the team, they're not even fit to be a rival.
>>542502948fwiw he used to have a Yotsuba avatar on dicksword, however he never managed /bag/ because he has anxiety issues. I imagine it'd be no different for /a/ or any other team
>>5425031181**
>>542503118There is a point to /a/ now /sp/ have left them behind in the dust, to give them the final humiliation of getting overtaken as a fanbase by /jp/, then they can retire as a second best weebshit team.
>>542503252/a/ still got more colors than /jp/ desu.
>>542503252/a/ is already the second best weebshit team
>>542503398Even then they're pretty much tied with /cm/ for that title
>>542502803zoer wasn't big from day1 either.It's a work in progress kind of thing methinks. People referring to her general as both /1992/ and /1999/ just like calling her just "the foid" doesn't help either.It's funny that /civ4xg/ got there.
I require some services, can anyone help?
>>542503564Nobody cares about /cm/ if you want to hate post at least bring up a fun team like /y/
>>542503661/cm/ has the same number of stars as /a/ does
>>542502201YES IT IS FUCK YOU
>>542503028/zoerzoerzoer/bro btw
>>542504142NO FUCK YOU
what the fuck do zoer and sangen even mean?i know who they are but what is the origin of these names?
i have a headache
>>542504446SEAfag names.
>>542504446https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangenshoku
>>542503349But it's slipping closer and closer to the same
>>542504592>Yo*sobi
>>542504748female pls andastan
>>542504517sangen is a chink, it's basically consolewarring between a SEA monkey and a chink
>>542504823>sangen is a chinksource?
Don't worry /a/ haters. Admin will give it meme autos and make sure it stays on fetus forever
>>542504823SEA chink
>>542504956i think they should meet up and stream their bedroom adventures.
>>542505073Kill yourself alex
>>542504941it's schizo shit
>>542504823So it's a cute Asian and another cute Asian, what's the problem?
>>542496918And find a replacement for /@/ as well. I'm tired of losing.
>>542504592Although it is a possibility it's like saying that somebody named "Yuusha" or "Kaibutsu", so not uncommon words, refers specifically to these songs. Quite silly.
>>542505638BEEEEE
>>542505638Have you considered telling your players to not get a red card?
>>542498227Prow hasn't touched a team in almost 5 years.
Prow touched me yesterday
we NEED PES20
>>542506758then the wiki for /yucamp/ has not been updated.
>>542506980Taba signed it up and managed
>>542505638442, all blanks, clc4f fma56There that's all you need
>>542507049well then it's on Taba to update the page.
>>542502594>/pg/ changes winter ruleW-What are they gonna do?
>>542496764KWABa is the one shilling FM, I’ve seen him “playing” it for hours, don’t fall for this shit.
>>542507283rape the /1999/ dykes as God intended.
>>542507257He won’t, taba didn’t even update the /pg/ page to have anything with vgl 24. The newfag manager did it when he signed up
>>542507172
>>542507626I hate this fucking gif please never post it again
>>542507403When I think of FM shills JB or Mundo come to mind before fucking Taba that got into it like a week ago
>>542507776Taba has been into it for a while now, he tried to make his own /vg/ league on it last year iirc, but probably stopped because of how much work it is.I don't think it's any of these named guys posting about it, most of them who actually play it a lot know how cumbersome it is.What we should do is get Streak to run a for-fun sim league if he won't do baseball again.
>>542507172Actually just steal the /tg/ auto
>>542508007I miss baseball but It was taking a lot of his time.
Armchair managers are funny
>>542508183Yeah I know. Sometimes it was like 9+ hours a night, and after the VGL finished. I was waking up and catching the last match of the night sometimes.I think he might work some weekends too o something? Anyway, busier man these days. I'd like to see some exhibition matches sometimes from him though, just something to spice up the VGL season.
zoer olev
>one the big scary tales going into 15 was the fluid bug>supposedly it would make your team defend out of formation and play 4-4-fucking-2 out of possession if you didn't run fluid>so the fetus had mandatory fluid>which has now been removed because apparently it makes teams play worse (and it's not just /g/ and /t/ being made of glass since a long time ago)Make it make sense. Is the lesson just that every formation other than 4-4-2 is inferior?
>>542510108If the fluid bug was as big a team killer as hyped then everyone would have known about it.
the bigger takeaway was that /admin/ don't really know what they're doing and are scrambling to make it look like they are again
[POI news] Dates are being decided this week
>>542510108i'm still not sure where the big idea came from that it's somehow the fluid that makes them defend really badly. Either way, there's probably some retarded logic that the way pes wants you to defend (flat 442 for a 4atb or a 352 for a 3atb) is the way it should be done.There's a big misconception that the only fluid-off defensive formation is 442 but 3atbs actually go to the stock 352 shape
>>542507671/zzz/bro btw
>>542510443>/admin/It's just Sou. /admin/ has said time and time again that Sou takes decisions from one day to another with little to no feedback from /admin/.
>>542510443This is correct
>>542510629Man, I remember back when 15 was first used, people were claiming fluid was broken because almost every team that used it got completely slaughtered. Funny how little things have changed
>the retarded commissioner is retarded?!?
>>542510443ESLmonarch…….
>>542511241jack frost with the stepover
>>542510820That would be fine if at least there were any proper reasoning behind his decisions, but most of them feel like they were taken randomly (like the gamespeed change).
>>542506934no you dont
>>542510108Fluid settings carry over from match to match so if say the home team has fluid enabled, the next home team will also have fluid enabled even if they sent a nightly with it off, so it was decided that fluid would be mandatory for all teams to make it easier for streamers. I guess admin assumed most teams would have fluid on anyway because of the fluid bug thing.>>542510629Fluid being on can alter player behavior on other PESes so it's not unreasonable to think that problems with defending on 15 stems from it. Either way admin limited tactical options with no real good reason
>>542512161but we do though
>>542511508In fairness to Sou, the reason for 15, is that there are no future versions of PES and a significant proportion of people are complaining about everyone running the same tactics on each version. The cup has two good options (17 and 19) and two okay options (16 and 21) though a lot of people complained about both 16 and 21. PES15 creates another option and if it hadn’t been forced I imagine we would have found another excuse not to use it in 6 months anyway.
>>542512161Pes20 will save us
>>542512670I'm sorry but this reads like 'we looked at everything, realised we can't use a new PES, but what about this one that has been the least used viable PES?', No-one asked the question that should have been obvious; is this the least used PES for a good reason? I get we're stuck without a new PES to use, but so far 17 and 19 have been proven the least scuffed with a wider range of viable tactics than the alternatives. Keep alternating between them on different rulesets that aren't like previous ones. If you can't have a new PES every year, have a new ruleset and keep experimenting with that instead on the least broken PESes. Maybe throw in a wildcard season between either like a cycle on 21 with a new or unused patch, a cycle on 16 after a 17 year, an attempt at patching 18 after a 19 year etc. This cycle and the next should have been 19 unpatched with a ruleset we haven't ran before or some clear changes that force experimenting and then a cycle on either a new patch 21 or an attempt making 18 work before going back to 17 for two cycles on a new ruleset. But no, we get broken and scuffed 15 instead. I question the commissioner most, cause after the first two cups in the era both ended up being fun but there was questions about the cup was actually being ran. 15 is turning into the hill Sou clearly wants to go die on regardless of the view of the audience, managers or rest of /admin/, I think it's time to start considering if we have the right commissioner running the cup right now.
>>542510108It's just that people don't know how to use fluid because they've never had to before and think it's the same as just running your normal presets.
idea for 19: point buy
>>542513764The demotion is coming if Autumn isn’t a good cup
>>542513764>is this the least used PES for a good reason?Holy fucking shit, how many times will people have to drill this in. PES15 ONLY HAD 3 CUPS BECAUSE PES16 WAS CRACKED EARLY AT THE TIME. PES15 IS BEING USED BECAUSE IT WAS THE LEAST USED PES THRU NO FAULT OF IT'S OWN.
>>542513764I'm not reading all that shit nigga
>>542513764trvke
/vt/ lel is working on 21
>>542514360*its
>>542514360melty in the ‘ccg
>>542513764It wasn’t the least used pes because people disliked it. It was because 16 was cracked early
>>542514360>15 apologists getting this madKWAB
>>542514360my liege...
>>542514502How about they work on getting viewers (from 4chan)
>>542514360Want some tea
>>542514567Must be a day ending in y
we should use the version of PES kot wins on
>>542514502>when his league has a higher pes version than viewer count
>>542514620dcinside is fine too right
>>542514502>4cc on broken trash>vgl on 17>vtl trying new shit on 21might be watching
>>542514620kekypow!
>>542513357Ruleset and patch autism and formation bans are way worse than having to play 1-2 cups on PES15. I prefer this to a magical new rule patch which totally will work this time.
>>542513764>This cycle and the next should have been 19 unpatchedThis is the only relevant part of the post you need to read
>>542514668So the VGL ends.
>>542514594>>542514626>>542514573Well maybe if people stopped making assumptions about why 15 was picked I wouldn't have to yell since it's been said like a million times over the past few months why 15 is being used.
>>54251376419 is a 2 formation PES
>>542513764Damn bro all those words and you said absolutely nothing of value fight on sister
>>542514871451 is good in unpatched and got a third place finish even in the patched one
>>542514835another trvke
>>542510957A universal truth in all major cups
>>542513764You still haven't shown us where you were touched anon. Please calm down and help us help you
>>542513887I mean there were rigid fluids in this fetus. Look what happened. (It means the same shape for both in possession and out of possession.)The actual truth nuke it's that PES15 wasn't ever good to begin with and there's a lot of nostalgia attached to it, because for a lot of people that are still around, it was their first PES. The same discussion happens when you talk about 13 if you ever noticed.
>>542515151So you don't know
>>542514710Take away the 8gag viewers and the dcinside viewers and the outcome isn't different in viewer size.
>>542515273And 17, 19 and even 21 have the same autists.
>>542514770You're incorrect and you replied to the wrong guy, a winning combination.
>>542515273that's the point. using fluid right takes more mind power than just copying the kick-off formation three times on any given preset. now take your plunger and get to work, plumber, my toilet needs unclogging.
Would (You) give any of the NTC newcuties any actual advice that the commentary didn’t?
is this general 100% mystery meat people? all of you type like them
>>542515094Genuine newfag question, is 3atb not a thing at all on 19?
>>542515694what does that mean
>>542515273>/t/ plays like ass on this PES, therefore it's salvageable tactics wiseEnlightened take
>>542515273Git gud
>>542515671I think marking from the opposite side is fucking terrible and would've heavily emphasized not doing that rather than lightly suggesting against it, but nobody else seems to feel that way.
>>542514871Formations are what the dimwits concern themselves with when looking at exports.
>>54251541921 has the reverse and especially raped and salty people who shit the bed and start screeching whenever 21 is mentioned, despite it polling in well in multiple feedback forms VGL ran.
>>542515867Galatic truth
>>542515715it can work, /tg/ autopilot proved it's viable but not as reliable as other formations
>>542516010>m-muh VGL pollsI wonder who's behind this post
>>5425152733 identical formations on fluid plays differently to not playing fluid and it's telling that you don't know this.
>>542516263Discard the most recent that got absolutely retarded, but the ones before that 21 was the clear closest to 17, it just provokes an extremely assraped minority to go hysterical and start flinging their shit at the walls
>>542514360>>542514570where did this fanfic come from anyway?
>>542515490It actually doesn't require a lot of brain power. If you look at the last cup on 17, the teams that ended up in the final used a somewhat rigid fluid that didn't involve insane movement for the out of possession formation. If anything, if you do an insane out of possession formation, it'll leave you very exposed to counters.>>542515419Every PES version has its own problems, it just happens that some have more than others. Imo 19 and 17 overall are the only ones that are good for the cup, but if you want to keep it fresh from both, you'd need to change and get wacky with rules.>>542516328As I said, it's the most reasonable thing to do. If you get too much insane with it, you might get very bad results.
>>542516531Winter 16 was on PES16
>>542516010I almost want us to use 21 just to see how you bomb in it south American monkey.
>>542516404>it just provokes an extremely assraped minority to go hysterical and start flinging their shit at the wallsSo just like what 15 is causing to happen now? And 17 half a year ago?
holy shit i just read the thread and you're really just cancerous brown monkeys. if the jannies weren't trannies they would've banished you to /b/ or /trash/ where you belong. pointless thread intended to bring 4chan closer to death by offtopic shitposts. kill yourselves, all of you.
>>542516597and? winter 12 was on 12, 13 on 13, 14 on 14, 17 on 17
>>542516651I hope they do. I'm good at 21.
>>542516651I want 21 back because the horsefuckers are too arrogant these days and need the kind of rape and humbling 21 gave them with the several years without a single elite appearance.
>>542516781If /mlp/ wins in 21 I'm raping you and your mom.
>>542516713you sound like someone who would also complain about there being no pes discussion and only circlejerking about vgl e-celebs if it was like this
>>542516846they almost did in World Cup thoughbeit
>>542516781This has got to be some kind of variation of Mutt's Law at this point>as discussion of PES versions continue, the probability of 21shills bringing up /mlp/ approaches 1
>>542516781Because Sita was trash
>>542516590Clearly it does, because the more you talk about it the more obvious it is you don't know dick from shit
>>542516925what the fuck does that mean, translate your brownoid babble into english please
>>542516960It's not like /mlp/ wasn't headed by their worst manager, no sirree, it was BASED 21!!!Ignore that they got to semifinals in world cup
>>542516960No it's basic look at the obvious>21 always gets hysterical hatred the second there's any distant threat of it happening again>look at who has the biggest vested interest in hating 21>largest fanbase in the cup got especially raped by 21>said largest fanbase is a prominent part of nearly every divegrass competition and offseason circlejerk>noooticingThere's some others but the 21 haters are mostly and overwhelmingly horsefuckers that remember those years of being clowned and cucked out of the elites consistently for three years while other teams somewhat figured 21 and were consistently elite.
To this day /admin/ has yet to produce proof that Sita wasn't Blinky's alt. Think about it
>>542517131who raped you?
>>542517315Read >>542517263>>542517032
>>542517131>noooo no-one is talking about pes ist just circlejerking about vgl ecelebs in teh offseason>talk about pes instea >noooo not like htis
>>542517065Yeah sure whatever, nice argument. I've been using the fluid option on 15 and if you make your players move too much around when they have to drop back to the out of possession positions, you are very likely getting fucked on a fast counter because you are exposed.
>>542517468my liege....
I am convinced that only ESLs are still doing the ESL King thing.
>>542517468Alex please, just shut the fuck up and stop being so raped. Accept /u/ are going to spoon Autumn and deal with it.
i think i prefer zoer/sangenposting over this shit
>>542517914sangenfags suck, their waifu is broken, dogshit and unbreedablezoer is the only acceptable answer
>>542517914I wish vglcord died in a fire.
>>542517914We know, brown king.
>>542516713>>542517131are you new to this thread
>>542517508AB15-sama, I’m not giving you fluid lessons so you can stop getting raped by 15. you’ll have to learn for yourself why some teams defend well while yours don’t>captcha: GGWPT
the issue of the version debate is that there are always very vocal grumpy faggots who can't stop whining about whatever version is being used: 16 is bad because too many goals, 17 is bad because langball abuse/corner kicks, 18 is bad because aesthetics drama from 6 years ago, 19 is bad because of shitty keeper 1v1's and mementum, 21 is bad because of patching and spin2win and so onimo the main issue with the way 15 is being handled right now is Sou being overly ambitious and rushing the game into existence after aesthetics were fixed for good, instead of letting another cup or two being run on a version everyone is more comfortable with (which would've allowed more invitationals/friendlies/test cups to be run and help everyone gauge issues and potential fixes for an actual playable ruleset)
>>542517914Kill yourself VGL lolcow
>>542517468yeah you really are a subhuman if you don't have reading comprehension. i don't care about whatever circlejerk you've had here for who knows how long. i just found out there's a blistering tumor in plain sight, and the jannies won't do anything about it. and they'll most likely ban me if i try to point it out, like they always do, anywhere on this site. wanting to keep a board clean is a crime by the looks of it now. again, kill yourselves out of /vg/.
>>542517716True, in the same way people obsessed with calling you brown tend to be poo skinned themselvest. /intpol/ pro
>>542518223>all this just to say I'm newgo back
>>542517914sangenshit is forcedthe only true zoerfag is the retard always posting that BA whore
>>542517315but /mlp/ did worse on 19
>>542518148>16fixed with ruleautism>17fixed with ruleautism>18whatever>19fixed with patchautism>21probably the only really unfixable one lmop
>>542518148Honestly this is probably one of the best anti15 posts I've seen over the past few weeks that isn't just screeching
>>542518223What the fuck did any of this keyboard diarrhoea mean?
>>542518148What’s wrong with this ruleset?
the zoer wife poster is sangan and the sangan wife poster is zoer. this was revealed to me in a (wet) dream
>>542518223calm down /zzz/bro
>>542518148>16 is bad because too many goals>15 is only bad because of how it's being handled15 is just 16 but worse in multiple regards or 16 is just 15 but with improvements to UI and other things, can't you draw the obvious link there?
>>542518864>15 has RAPED mewe know anti15bro...
>>542518128I don't need any fluid lessons, and I am not even an "AB15". I think that 15 is just fine. 17 and 19 are still superior to it. At least it's nice to have a 3rd PES option that isn't controversial, like 18 and 16. >>542518148That's the same thing with fluid. The screeching about the fluid bug made /admin/ believe that, unless you had fluid on, the teams weren't going to play well, then fetus happened and their panic resulted into the rule change.
>>542518148>biggest problem with is how badly it’s been rushed and handled in general Added onto past behind the scenes issues this should be grounds for sacking the commissioner. One fuck up too far this time. Time to postpone Autumn, demote Sou and make Boris or Potato interim commissioner and unfuck this mess before we have a first cup on 18 tier shitshow.
>>542516781>team gets new manager>starts being good again after a long streak of being shit with the old manager>it's the pes version, /mlp/ is shit at 21!You're 3 brain cells are trying but they are just not getting there.
>>542518864
I want to know how Sou responds to all of this
>>542519220I know it’s >VGL but running Autumn at the same time as VGL would be worse than just going through Autumn as it stands.
>>542519543Just cancel VGL.
>>542519604Good luck convincing Nomo then
>>542519680I know of a way
Compromise: merge VGL and 4CC into a mega autumn cup on 17
>>542519604The amount of cup people you’d put offside is a lot more than just sticking with 15 as planned.
>>542519784He's already used to getting raped, find another way.
>>542519153That still sounds like admin has no idea of what they are doing. They should know this PES well before deploying it.
15 may not be as good as other versions but I still enjoy my team playing meme divegrass
Ultimately it's too late to move off of 15 for autumn, for the people who really hate 15 this much are all lazy faggots who only started complaining after it was decided and the demonstrations starting being shown when they could've urged Sou and /admin/ to not jump to quickly or to not use 15 before the decision had been made (which had been in talks since during Summer) You had all this time to oppose and you chose to oppose AFTER it was a foregone conclusion and the Mexican had fully made his mind up?
>>542519543This is the best argument ab15s have?
>>542520213you are WRONG and STUPID, KYS WHORE
Me and my co
Okay but who's gonna be /trick/'s manager?
admin is so raped they defaulted to designate people who don't enjoy 15 with a nickname, kekypow
>>542520486where?
>>542518408to be fair, the main reason the idea of 21 being impossible to fix still floats around is because of the way patchco handled things more than the game itself>>542518610like Sou said, 40 goals/group is suboptimal, we got rid 16 on the basis that endless goalfests is bad yet we have something just a bit below but still very much in the "lodsofgoals" territoryobviously 6 matches is a very small sample, but it does give off a general impression that rarely lies>>542518864which is why I'm advocating for more time for people to experiment and play around with rules and the game before the version choice is set in stonegoing too fast with things is how Spring 19 happened, for instance
>>542520598blindbro...
>>542520101I think that it needed a bit more of time and instead to push 15 into Autumn, it should've delayed to Winter and try to force the rest invitational on PES15 to test the waters there.
>>542520748ab15 is being used for PRO 15 people though retardbro...
>>542520419Me and my favourite streamer
>>542520842what does it even stand for? with all the ESL 15 propaganda right now I can't make heads or tails about this tbf
>>542520693We also had a very bad team in /g/. I wouldn’t take Akko seriously, a few teams ran tactics that contributed to conceding a lot of goals.
>>542520993ab15 is Autumn Babby 15. the last official cup on 15.
I prefer we move to PES zoer
>>542502948I browse the anime general on /3/ and r/a/dio threads whenever they pop up but otherwise yeah, I'm not a regular there>>542503208>anxiety issuesthis is a big reason why I don't want to get involved with anything 'official'; I panic/get nervous/choice paralysis easily when something goes wronganother is that I don't really like to test, for Akko I did pretty much nothing after sending the export which wouldn't fly in a 'serious' leagueboth are fine for managerFC like /fluff/ where the only person caring about the results is me but I wouldn't want to subject a team with a real fanbase to this, desu
>>542521423>r/a/dioThat's pretty based at least.
>>542521423> another is that I don't really like to test, for Akko I did pretty much nothing after sending the export which wouldn't fly in a 'serious' leagueAnd you beat multiple 4cc managers
If you don't want endless goals on '15, you need to treat Medium/Many as your neutral. It'll give you some slightly more sane scorelines, even if only one team does it.
>>542521423stop deleting your messages every day faggot
>>542521006That's the thing I don't get about all this. It's the fetus, it's the bottom tier of competition. You have /g/ who have been ass for a very long time, /t/ which are a forced meme and /gd/ autopilot with formation that was meant to be autistically livemanaged (and wasn't good). They all suck and semi-competent /int/ promotes easily, but the resulting 6 games are a shitshow. And that's enough to do a last minute 360 and moonwalk away from a rule that has fuckall to do with the quality of these exports?
>>542520229>You had all this time to oppose and you chose to oppose AFTER it was a foregone conclusion and the Mexican had fully made his mind up?I think part of it is how late it took to get a functioning exe/compiler/editor so that combined with the usual manager procrastination meant few people started taking a serious look way too late. The first games on 15 with a modern ruleset were a little over a month ago on poorly advertised weekday friendlies that a total of 5 teams submitted shit for.
soullesstrooncer
>>542520229This argument doesn't make any sense. Sou locked in 15 for the next cup before it was even ready. By the time managers got their hands on it, the cup was only about a month out.
>>542521654you're telling me teams in the quals running AMC Few might have contributed to the goal count????
Back in the day whenever managers were mad at the rules/a decision taken by /merit/ they'd post on /4ccg/ with their trips on and actually put their asses on the line, instead of this retarded schoolgirl bullshit where they just parrot what their ESL co told them to think
>>542521828>Sou locked in 15 for the next cup before it was even readythen why didn't I see anyone months ago tell Sou he's being too hasty over 15? It's almost like people were either lazy or too complacent and trusted Sou's decision too much until it was too late.
>>542521423>/3/
>>542521961Wait, did they do that?
>>542522189Because no one could reliably run PES15 until the LODs were fixed and a save editor was available, which, again, this all happened like a month before the babby.
what kind of cope is this? I've seen people shit on 15 months ago and how it would've been a bad choice for the next PES cup
>>542522303yeah lmao look at /g/'s games
>>542522328were they any more relevant than you?
>>542522328C'mon you fucking sister slap that trip on and put your ass on the line, see if your narrative will hold up then
Yes I love PES15 and yes I love watching my wife have sex with her boyfriend. Problems, liberal?
>>542521423>/3/You know how many people want /3/ to come back and hear Supersonik again, you can easily be the team's caretaker if managing makes you too anxious. Lord knows Wyvern is too lazy to do anything.
>>542522189Everyone was talking about how going to 15 so fast was completely unnecessary on 4ccg and elsewhere. Problem is /admin/ most likely thought it's just coomplaining for the sake of it or another agenda like they always love to accuse people of. Now it's finally hitting them less than a week from deadline that they fucked up.
>>54251527313 nostalgia is ironic btw. Everyone would agree it was throughball slop with useless goalkeepers only saved by the fact strikers couldn't shoot and teams would get like 9(3) in matches where the entire game was aimless midfield passing until the break.
>>542523094Are those people in the room with us right now, anon?
>>542523389Arrows system was gigabased and should make a retvrn
>>542515852They weren't marking from the opposite side, they were marking from the same side. Man marking just appears like that because 17 (or the version used by the cup) has a visual glitch when marking where PES has the team on the default 4-5-1 even when they're running something different.
>>542523389i just want nazi refs in more versions but we haven't figured that out yet :/
>>542523094>Problem is /admin/ most likely thought it's just coomplaining for the sake of it I mean, is admin not incorrect in this assumption give how much 4ccg tends to coomplain alot for the sake of coomplaining? If a person you know 9/10 times would complain just for the sake of complaining, would you believe him when he has a once in a lifetime valid point before it was too late? admin at that point is just using pattern recognition.
>>542523828More like nobody who knows how has bothered.
>>542523891You're right, people don't take anything posted here seriously most of the time. While that other dude calling people out for being pussies about not posting with their names was baiting, he's also right that that would be the only way to get /admin/ to consider whether any complaints from here were valid.
>>542523891So where's the outlet for dissension and feedback if not /4ccg/? Because no one on /admin/ seems to dissent and the 4cc discord is basically a graveyard.
>>542524280This is the truest truth nuke. We only ditched the fluid rule because CollieSis shouted about it. If it was only talked about on /4ccg/ nothing would've happened.>>542524365BEE
>>542524280>>542524365It's become a cry wolf scenario, 4ccg has cried wolf one too many times and now admin won't believe it when the wolf is actually coming for once. admin shouldn't have to divine whether or not the anonymous poster complaining is a shitposter and not being either serious or bad faith or someone actually important like a manager so like as >>542524547 said they will only trust tripfags outside of QnA sessions.
>>542525049Being a crying wolf situation means that /admin/ listened to /4ccg/ before which just isn't true. If anything I feel like VGLco listens to this thread more, like when they introduced the rule that would punish teams with outdated wiki pages.
NTC4 vods on >fun when
>>542525384Did they punish any teams?
>>542525440VTL has prio, sorry chump
>>542525384Sou has absolutely implemented things just because /4ccg/ asked for them. Hell, Crimson's had to pin him down to stop him using even more of our ideas.
>>542525596No, people called it retarded here and they called off the rule shortly after.
>>542525384>If anything I feel like VGLco listens to this thread moreBecause they use the thread so they know how to separate shitpost from actual issue.
>>542525049That assumes that managers were ever taken seriously and weren't just scoffed at. /admin/ has 0 managers on their team to my recollection as well.>>542525384VGLco does a much better job in general of keeping in tune.
>>542525384didn't they end up backtracking and removing that rule?
>>542525665>Crimson's had to pin him down to stop him using even more of our ideasThe shadow Crimissioner...
When you open /4ccg/ and the only thing you see every single fucking time is a million zoer posts ( or people jerking off vgl trooncord ecelebs in general) and faggots importing namefag drama, then yeah I can understand why /admin/ doesn't bother listening to what anyone here has to say.
Billions must zoerpost
>>542516713>banished you to /b/ or /trash/he doesn't know~
>>542525792VGL had that abortion of a formation ban in 22. One of the worst tournaments ever.
[Conspiracy theory] VGLco is the one that shits the thread as a way to sabotage /admin/.
>>542525694>>542525796Bring it back, outdated wikis are annoying
>>542526021/dft/bro btw
>>542526148Nomo kneels to Sou so that's not true
>>542526148>/vg/ users are the main reason why /vg/ is unusableSay it ain't so
>>542526148Running their retarded version poll during the final weekend of summer was an intentional move to dominate discussion and shit this place up during that time
>>542520693it depends on your definition of "fix", i think 21 being watcheable is more like "mitigate" than fix, and that has to go through a dt18 patch and a new ruleset. Semantics maybe, but still.
is it safe to like 15 here yet
>>542528113No, only after /admin/ panic switches to naked 18 in Spring and it all starts burning down
>>542528113Why do you like 15 anon?
>>542528374i like to watch
>>542528374Sombrero works.
teams get 2 golds then a choice of 2 92s or 3 88s, that's a simple idea to add some variability to exports
>>542526089And since nobody liked it they've made it very clear it's not a step they're going to take again
>>5425288293 88s every time
>>542528829I don't think they will start messing around with different medal brackets unless they start getting very desperate, though I do find the idea fun (maybe not this particular version though).
/vp/ better have a FBM mega-starmie for autumnlook at him go
>>542531441Kek
>>542528829I don't think anyone can look at how easily /kp/ won /ag/ league and ever think that the more medals the better your team is no matter what cost.
>>542531441Is this Dark Souls?
>>542519220>Boris
>>542531912fraid so
>>542528113>is it safe to like <thing> here yetNever
>>542527354Nomo also kneels to me to suck my cock He's quite good at it too
I've just watched riggybet instead of working...
nomo's catgirl is cute
>>542536497It's all outdated teams and piss 21 tho
>>542536501That's actually him irl
>>542536497you should kill yourself instead of doing either
>>542536501>catgirl retard
>>542537707explain
>>542500569Accurate
>>542536823how else will I see /diy/ play?
>>542537201mmmmmnyo
>>542537201look what you did, you killed it...
Kissing my zoer wife goodnight.
I wonder who is behind the zoerposting
>>542541174same guy who was obsessed with the 'soup before that
>>542541438which was
>>542541438Yep and I'm certain it's not a complete schizo either. It's someone who seems sane on the 'cord which is the worst part.
I don’t want cryptic puzzles, give us names or gtfo
>>542541174Tomzai or Cipher.
@gork make me an AI that tells me who is behind each post using discord and cytube messages as training data
>>542542483all me btw.
>>542542483cockbush
>>542542483nomo didn’t slip, he was just being petty after getting rejected
[sex news]
>>542528829medal brackets are silly
>>542531441Same vibes.
>>542541438>the [insert namefag]Opinion discarded
>>542538818it's a futanari
>>542543005floof sexo
Pumping zoer’s baby room with my milky stream
What kind of creature do you picture behind posts like these >>542544040
>>542526203>Discord Fappy TalkyIsn't that just /offtopic/?
>>542526148VGLco shills the thread aggressively whenever they get challenged or called out on something contentious in the 'ccg so might be something to that theory
>>542544167A european
>>542544040trip on
>>542543592i don't believe you
>>542543592i need proofs
>>542544167Fat greasy European or skinny greasy chain-smoking European.
>>542544452>>542544587He's lying I've seen her pussy
>>542544167
>>542544167South american goblin or SEA
>>542544798Doesn't refute it, futas are supposed to have pussies as well
>>542541174One of, some of, or all of the following suspects. In descending order from most to least likely but all with varying degrees of suspicion:>UberMedic>Cipher>cunnysoup>Cogbrush>Taba>Tomzai>Zoer (it’s an elaborate false flag)>rabbit2rabbit>aquantis>Aoba>sgbong>FroggerP
>>542545749
>>542545796>cipherWhy is he so high
>>542545796Accurate kill list to improve vgl
>>542545796WHATWHY am I on the LIST?!?
>>542545796>nah>very possible>nah>maybe>very possible>maybe>nah>nah>maybe>nah>maybe>nah
>>542545796>AobaUnlikely, what would he gain from that? Getting raped?>cunnysoup>rabbit2rabbit>sgbong>froggerpThey don't even use the discord at all dude.
>>542546190Zoer isn't on the cord either.
>>542545796care to extrapolate?
>>542545796>tfw not mentioned
>not on the listthank god I don't eradiate creep aura
>>542546190>Unlikely>he doesn't know about the 'craft incident(s)
>>542545796Proof?
Nomo I know you are here, post announcing you are going to expose the Zoerposter right now
>>542546035You've only got yourself to ask.
>>542546501>eradiatebut you radiate ESL royalty aura
>>542545796>has made posts in the 'cord that suggest zoerposter of them but probably not the original source>a prime suspect, even more so from how often he makes WMAF comments, that copypasta is extremely sus>most likely original source, if not a core zoerposter>very suspicious, staple 'cord circlejerker too>regular false flagger in the 'ccg so suspicious but probably not the origin or a prolific zoerposter >same level of sus as cunnysoup>hilarious if true but she's probably gone for real and likely doesn't even know this became a 'ccg meme>maybe and interacted with her but left the 'cord>circumstantial but unlikely>unlikely>made suspicious /offtopic/ posts, but never really in the 'cord circlejerk so unlikely>probably too lazy to ever zoerpost
>>542546734I'm retarded, WMAF?
>>542546924wing mid + attacking mid
>>542546734FroggerP is also gay so probably unlikely
>>542546924Look it up on google, retardbro>>542546962>WMAMFujosis...
Zoer does know about it, I made sure of that... :)
>>542547095Cipher...
>>542547082sorry I meant attacking fielder
wwwwwwwww grass
>>542546734All of them are gay, so probably unlikely
>>542546924the number one search result for 'wmaf' in /offtopic/ is mostly cipher posts I'm thinking prime suspect
Since Cipher hasn't said anything to object and no Essex has been posted I think >we should all assume it's Cipher until further notice
>>542546573Can someone drop the whole ‘craft lore? I really don’t get that shit
>>542547445tasty
the zoerposter revealed himself already tho
Quick, check days where Cipher streamed and see if there were zoer posts during them
>>542547875*gasp*
>>542546573>'craft incidentElaborate further..
Its actually The Crimson Man
>>542548671Nonsense, he doesn't use /4ccg/
hop on
drop their server so i can grief nor/mlp/erson’s house
>>542548968>nor/mlp/erson’s housedoes he know?
>>542548563KWABa ragequit because someone kept griefing his stuff
>>542531441>Have to dodge roll in a fucking pokemon gameWhat the fuck
>>542549045Yes I don’t know, you big retard
>>542549374griefing with what? mating press jokes?
>>542548968>normalfagperson>spending time in a minecraft server
>>542549374Zoer was griefing Taba? wtf I'm a massive zoerfag now
>>542546035Check the number of posts you have in the cord, and reflect on your actions
What if I told you Sou is a psyops to ultimately ruin the reputation of PES15 that was years in the making? And what if I told you the truth was leaked in a series of sign messages placed at random locations on the 'craft server?
>>542550995That's bullshit, but I'll believe it.
>>542549374did he for real?
>>542551616Someone was definitely fucking with his stuff and blew up his nuclear reactor. He was the only person ever targeted. But iirc he didn't quit until after he got into a fight with some other third worlder over some small plot of land that was next to Reso's house.
>>542550995>The 2huminati planned this far in advanceYet /admin/ will continue to deny their existence. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
>>542551156Took the words out of my mouth.
>>542552693That's kinda gay
>>542552271KWAB
>some top market vt teams are skipping vtl friendlies >instead are hoping to play in christmas divegrassabsolute state of the vtlel
>>542552903No one cares
>>542553021As a DBC fan I care about not having half the lineup be vtl refugees.
>>542552903kwab
>>542553092here's how they get even more teams in the 4cccl
>>542553092Thy should just make their own vtl. With blackjack and hookers.Actually, the hookers are already included.
>>542552903Don't let them in
>>542553092>>542553826
>>542554054And last year we got teams like /joshu/ created specifically to circumvent that limit.
You heard them , organizer. Count them as part of that shit too.
>>542550219>he isn't circlejerkingwhat the hell...
>>542547801>loreherehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1LqndlRkG719IQPd-D-BM4DUZ7j9Lx_V4/view?usp=sharinghttp://rina.place/world.zip
>>542555429Aw sweet, a zipbomb. Thanks Anon.
>>542555429AOBAAAAAAAAA
>>542555429Don't open, it's full of catgirl futanari pics.
>>542554372i dont see a problem with it. if anons are no longer fulfilled by their home league and think of shitpost cups as more fun, then that is a compliment.
>>542555429Thanks for the dolphin porn
>>542556056That sounds a lot like the usual excuses for promoting immigration.
>>542555429how do I even use that? what's the lore?
>>542552903just include more tower and 8ch teams ezpz
Two small news for DBC:I've made some changes to the height brackets, give me your thoughts so I can ignore them or not if you sound smartAlso depending on streamer availability and how fast sign ups will fill, I might consider increasing the tournament size to 48 (would mean league limits get increased to 6 too)
>>542555918Sou when are you going to address the concerns over 15
>>542555918sou, you're thoughts?
>>542557282your grace...
>>542556984looks interesting, looking forward to see what teams do with it and the medal choices
>>542556984i'd prefer the original rules, specially with whatever the fuck the first one has been changed into
>>542556984gonna go manlet silver because even with giganiggas i still cannot figure out how to make longball consistent enough
>>542557434you can use the extra 50 cm you are given however you want, buffing two players by 25 cm, distributing them equally among the squad etcso the bracket with the 210 cm player can be replicated but you also get 25 cm more then
>>54251840818 can also be improved on with ruleset autism
>>542556984>50cm can be freely allocated to any playershas any ruleset ever done this before?
>>542555429>3GBAll me driving up the world file
>>542557810old 4cc rules
>>542553826t. TMA
>>542557625i do think that might be a little too complicated, not that most managers can't follow the rules but just having exact heights might be better
i just pooped a giant turd
>>542555429Can someone BEE and post what's this all about?
>>542550008Kept blowing up his nuclear reactor, his home and kept stealing all his stuff.
>>542559421kekypoo!!
streamers for NTC next week when
>>542559443>minecraft>nuclear reactorkill mod autists
>>542559421*monster poo*
>>542559604Saturday: dtroitSunday: mantis
>>542559690>dtroitSending all the newcuties to the nutty putty cave I see
>>542559604Saturday: KotSunday: Rabi
>>542559805so all teams will draw on saturday?
>>542556984>might consider increasing the tournament size to 48That's easier said than done. Watch out for cup fatigue.
>>542560751DBC is on a fun PES. It will be fine
>>542552903some teams have a grievance with non /vt/ teams being in the /vt/ league>well tough if you dont like it dont sign upsaid teams opt out of /vt/ league events so they can hopefully play in other 4cc events>wtf thats insane why would they do this?
I can't believe /aesco/ is more competent than a multimillion-dollar company.
>>542563452I can't believe gamefreak ripped off squeenix
>>542559421We're sending over our top plumber.
>>542566032O PLYUMBEEEER
>>542563452Game Freak is just embarrassing
>>542566181Just like /vp/ kekypow
>>542563452what am i looking at here
>>542563056I have grievances with the ruleset of /vt/ League. I don't see the point participating and giving my thread fatigue if we are joining DBC to play with other category of teams.
>>542525918>trolls do things to annoy you>get annoyed>repeatedly, loudly post about how it annoyed youThat will make them stop
>>542563452The pokegirls are pretty cute doe
>>542566603what is /yourthread/?
>>542567086Anything looks better after the shit designs of SV.
>>542518148>16 is bad because too many goalsand every goal is the same, and the goalkeepers are broken, and the defenders barely function, and it looks like fucking shit in general. Not only is it boring as fuck, the 15 goals every game makes it even worse because matches go forever too.If PES didn't use /wsg/ to meme /u/ in the final, not a single person would be defending the last 16 cycle at all.
Divegrass watchers learning about "goal variety" is worse than gamers learning about "gameplay loop".
>>542563452>>542567086meanwhile, on the other side of the fence.....
>>542566331the whole game map is a single model
>and every goal is the same, and the goalkeepers are broken, and the defenders barely function, and it looks like fucking shit in generalwow its just like 15
>>542567943thanks for your input cipher
>>542567709this is the absolute trvth nvke, Summer 24 is mostly only remembered because it was /wsg/'s big break and star winning run where they came back against /u/ in the most amazing way possible (Obligatory 9/11 thread scoring a miracle game tying goal, the player the management as been trying to get to score all cup)
>>542568184*had been not has been fuck
>>542567975Explain this in 4cc/vgl terms
>>542567975good lord
>>542568613The switch is Bird's PC, the map is /vt/ with 4k resolution models
>>542568959so it's fine? it was crimson's pc that eats shit whenever /vt/ is present
>>542568613every player in a team's aesthetic export has 4k textures that are duplicated. and they ask Dtroit to stream them.
>>542569029Oh true, I mostly zone out whenever /vt/ is playing
>>542569128What kind of Pokemon live in the nutty putty cave?
>>542569629Snorlax
i know a /trick/bro who manages, but you wouldn't like them to manage /trick/
>>542573870i am also a /trick/bro who manages but i am dogshit
>>542573870k'wab doesn't manage tho
>>542574340you're not scraping the bottom of the barrel hard enough my friend
>>542574225I am also a /trick/bro who manages and is dogshit we should manage togetherJust don't make me do aesthetics though
>mystery boxdon't care, if he's not relevant enough why should you bring them up?
>>542574895can you imagine modelling a roster of 23 underpainted chibis?i'm done just thinking about it
>>542573870i don't want to manage them, since that would mean me having to ask anyone else to make 22 models but i have at least something that could be used as a base but i'm no 3d artist
>>542574895>>542575067crayon colored animeheads with PH-kun bodies will be SOVL
>>542575067The concept of figuring out how to weight paint cheeks to make them look like they're being squeeze shouldn't excite me so much.
>>542575067underpainted chibi proportions are easier than regular paint anime proportions
>>542575186No they must be tiny
>>542576063every player is actually standing atop a tower of 1* characters
>>542503648Curious n1999er checking out this divegrass thing. Is this Sangen our representative?>People referring to her general as both /1992/Why 1992?>just like calling her just "the foid"Is Sangen a confirmed woman? Not that it matters, it's just that our biggest inside joke is that there aren't actually any women in our general and everyone is just pretending.
>>542578136So you don't know?
>>542578136>Is this Sangen our representative?That's the name in the wiki.>Why 1992?So you don't know.>Is Sangen a confirmed woman?We know as much as you.
>>542578136Sangen is your manager, yes.So you don't know?Not a confirmed woman, everybody here is just a useless shitposter
>>542578136>Sangen our representativeYes they are your manager that pilots /1999/'s export.>why /1992/So you don't know>Is Sangen a confirmed womanIffy but people want think they are, people keep talking about how /1999/ has alot of femanons there and alot of women play 1999 (especially chink women)
>>542578136>Is this Sangen our representative?Yes the manager>Why 1992?Kevin Nash was raped in 1992. This is a /pw/ joke which is the primary board this general gets jokes from. "So you don't know" is also a /pw/ joke.>Is Sangen a confirmed woman?No there's just some weirdos here who create parasocial relationships with their own fictional representations of managers.
>>542578636bellets :DDDDDDD
>>542578136you got 5 responses already so I'll ask you to post the best girl from your game instead
>>542578493>We know as much as you.Clearly way more.>>542578568>people keep talking about how /1999/ has alot of femanons thereBased on thread polls, no.>>542578636>Kevin Nash was raped in 1992I still sincerely don't know if that's real or if he's pretending it isn't because the alternative is worse.>"So you don't know" is also a /pw/ joke.I haven't seen this one before. What's the context?
>>542578865You tell me
>>542578865The /pw/ meme is also to give non-answers to things. You won't get a straight answer. We literally do not know more than you and anybody who says otherwise is full of shit
>>542579153I thought it'd be something funnier, thanks though.
>>542578865>"So you don't know" is also a /pw/ jokeI'm not super versed in wrestling as most of what I know comes from here, but it's referred to as Meltzer Speak and the joke repeatedly giving each other non-answers. (So you don't know ---> You tell me ---> ok how you know)>I still sincerely don't know if that's real or if he's pretending it isn't because the alternative is worseYes, Kevin Nash was infact raped in 1992 and is the reason for people saying KWAB (Short for either Kevin was a Bitch or Kevin was always Based depending on the circumstance)
>>542579373excuse you, Kek What a Bitch
>>542579459Shit you're right it was Kek not Kevin.
>542579401>>>/r/umamusume/
>>542578865https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-841xGlAr_o
Kevin Was Always Based
>>542579373While Dave is the one that contributes the most to it (hence why it was coined as Meltzer Speak), not all the phrases were said by him. "Ok how u know" was said by Andrade for instance.
>>542579803Balls deep inside ilya
If zoer was a vtuber there would be 5 teams dedicated to her and TMA will do nothing to stop this.
most vgl managers hate /vt/umors
>>542586252Cipher...
>>542586375Most people hate /vt/umors.
Whats up with /vt/ hate
[gook news] Reverse 1999 Korean division is now in support for their new manager and even praised the music taste of the manager and picked the best songs as their victory anthem.Source: https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=reverse1999&no=494475
>>542588265Talking about yourself in third person is embarrassing. Stop it.
>>542588265The mother one with the shitty British va is one of the worst goalhorns I’ve heard in a long time, I’d put it down there with the /lcg/ cocomelon horns
>>542590065name 3 goalhorns that could loop twice and still be hype to hear.
>>542590201Kickstart my heartCan can sandstormGogeta vs Broly (/dbg/ version, not the shitty /vt/ reimagining of it)
Melty in the tumor cord
>>542590201DatabaseCreate machinesMobius 1 stole the precious thing
>>542578804Since he didn't answer I'll do it. I say it's Nautika. Sadly a victim of lacking a 3D model.
>>542567124/haha/
If she's best girl, why doesn't she have a model, huh?
>>542592236judging by the webm i figure it might have something to do with being half-monster.
>>542592236Correction: a model exists, but it's semi-official and extremely unlikely for them to hand it over. So it might as well not exist for us...
So not the best girl at all, understandable.
>542593218Game looks like ass
>>542588265>best songsI don't know about that chief.ezios horn is straight up ass.how the fuck does the scene girl song connect to this either?feels random as fuck.
>>542588265>Another offsiter team
>>542503648/civ4xg/ is there because of their ridiculous export with a gold CMF
My zoer wife is my best girl.
>>542595853fan animation, not the game
>>542595853Nice reading comprehension.
/vg/ league!
>>542543005smooching and breeding nomo
>>542596552based
>page 6
>>542596078Nothing wrong with gold CMF
>>5425981822 goals in 2 games
>>542598328You can't attribute a teams scoring to just one player.
>>542599024OK, look at the other teams' GF across 2 games.
>>542599075How is the rest of the /civ4xg/ export and sliders? How did their matches go?
team girlfriend?!
>>542599329they won 0-1 vs hdg but mostly because neither team had a functioning attackthey got blown the fuck out by 1999, which has the vrg strikers and manlet CBs, mostly because they just couldn't get through the 4atb. hdg was running 3atb and they were struggling against that too.
>>542599552Every team needs a cheerleader
>>542599714>new manager doesn't now how to build an offence >this makes gold cmf a meme
>>542600372what's the use case for a gold cmf
>>542600836/ag/ league meme tactics
>>5426008364-4-2 with no AMF but have a gold hole player CMF at the top of the diamond
>>542601819so why not have a gold AMF hole player
>>542601887Because AMF is overrated on 17
my strikers dodging their responsibilities (scoring)
>>542602241pictured: Git gud
>>542559159I changed the wording a bit now and gave an example what can be done with it
>>542601819let me rephrase:what's the use case of a B2B gold cmf
>>542603881/meg/ used to use it in a 3-5-2 on PES17. Did okay without being amazing. Its sub optimal but its not a meme tactic.
>>542603881Gold stamina, keep him going all game. Slap on a track back so he'll stay aggressive all the way down the pitch. If your attack stalls out, he will properly get up in the box instead of being a backpass magnet.
>>542603881B2B cmfs score regularly on PES17, Gold has better stamina and boosts your central midfield which some managers might like if they were running silver wingers.
what are the expectations for next week's NTC games? any favourites? any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?
>>542605758*this week
>>542605758fuck foids, fuck gachas, fuck chinks and fuck /u/fags, glory to /hdg/.
>>542605949ok gio
>>542605758>any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?If it works what is wrong with this?
>>542606159I watch ntc for the newfag autismif I wanted to watch autopilots play I'd watch the 4cc
>>542597750Why
>>542605758Group A seems to be clear, /pg/ + maybe /gig/, Group B is the wildcard zone and the more interesting one.After civ4x turned out to be a massive disappointment I no longer have favs.
>>542610551That's the only reason why you'd ever come to vmg if gachas are vg-approved.
Where the fuck are the vods for the fetus?
>>542614097aborted
>>542610551gacha gameplay is 10% opening the game for the daily rewards and 90% shitposting about why /yourgame/ is in fact better than /othergame/
>>542605758>any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?/pg/ didn't really make many changes but can you really blame the manager when /pg/ was never behind?
>>542615263did they at least run a different preset for each game
What would happen to a cup if a team with the most testers could test sets of tactics 24/7 and do data visualization on the results?
>>542616005/mlp/ and /u/ finals every elite
>>542616005nothing because it's not representative
>>542578804Loggerhead! but she's not very popular.>>542579373That is funny, thanks.>>542579803Very informative, thank you as well.
>>542616005ask /lcg/
>>542616005good morning sir
>>542616005nothing because the game is still RNG in the end
>>542615691I believe both were on preset 1, but with very different sliders (I saw it for a split second but game 2 they were running possession wide)
>>542616628thats fine at least. shows that they did testing.
>>542596034It's one of the manager's sidekicks posting this there and then coming here to feign support of a sense of insecurity. Strange, really.
remember when the biggest argument behind not going to old versions was 'no portraits'... good times
>>542617662I still dont understand why cant we just use the latest version
AOBA! You unleashed pes15! YOU must give us pes20 to make up for your transgression! AOBAAAAAAA!
>>542618389no coach mode
>>542617575proof?
>>542618389each version has its own quirks and the downsides of the newer ones outweigh the upsides. It's about finding the one that sucks the least.
>>542618625>>542618698Is there a post or pasta that outlines the issues? pls spoonfeed
>>542618650I'll scan and post their signed and notarized affidavit in a bit.
>>542618826Efootball is entirely unusable because it doesn't have any of the features we use to setup Ai vs AI matches. That's basically all you need to know.
>>542619157so you're schizoing out thanks for confirming
>>542618389>>542618826The "latest version" is either PES21 or eFootball depending on what you mean by latest version.eFootball (released in 2022) still has no coach mode/EDIT file (aka the things that allow us to do set up CPU vs CPU matches with manager input)PES21 is the latest viable version of PES that isn't eFootball.However it has massive issues with its gameplay, which required custom patches attempting to fix it (and none ever did fix it, just made it worse).It's also a problem of, since eFootball is still not viable to use, we only have past PES versions to choose from. Usually every year or two PES versions are switched up to keep things fresh and interesting.
>>542619193You're totally not proving me right ;^)c
>New Thread Cup>look inside>433 langball>copy of vgl24 champion team>livemanaging consists of +1 gegen
>>542619519You'd have posted substantial proof if this was real, but you know that it isn't.
>>542619189>>542619402I meant 2018-2021 but thanks
>>542619658It's hilarious that 2 matches was enough for someone meltdown this hard over a team.
>>542619402>and none ever did fix it, just made it worsea single match of stock 21 is enough to disprove this lmao
>>542619658>>542619753Nta but you seem so upset I believe it a little
>>542619645>433 langball>livemanaging consists of +1 gegenNot surprising for new managers
>>542619692PES2018: people don't like it, it's as simple as thatPES2019: overplayedPES2021: stock gameplay is unwatcheable garbage and no one wants to be the guy to start patchfagging again
>>542619645so newfags act like newfags?
>>542619881I like unpatched PES2021 though
>>542619964Good for you anon
>>542619964you also like raw anal sex as the bottom which may or may not be correlated.
I interrupt your PES version bickering to say that I want a paizuri from Hanyuu
>>542619645/fng/ vs /hdg/ is the antithesis of this statement.even though the /hdg/ manager dominated, he responded to the /fng/ managers changes (which were actually solid, just a bit too late) instead of jorking it to 0-5.and both teams are 3atb.
>>542619881>PES2019: overplayedHello, I'm just passing by from the Catalog. What does this mean? Does it look the different between versions that you all get tired of using the same one for too long that you go back to older ones?
>>542620147I'd prefer naizuri from Rika tbdesu
>>542620231my liege, you is correct.
>>542620251>>542620147Who?
>>542620251Based, but also I want Rika to sit on my face.
>>542619692>2018People don't like this version because when it was first used the cups were extremely boring slop and so everyone was left with a negative impression of it. It will probably have to be used again at some point down the line though.>2019One of the most overused PES versions, especially in recent years. It's ok. Definitely better than 18 and 21. But while it's gameplay is mostly good and watchable it will occasionally have some absolute dogwater matches where one team never had a chance from the first minute the game started and gets horribly raped 7-0. Every PES version can have matches like that but I thought it was especially more noticeable and frequent on 19. Also strikers love to just dribble the ball straight into the keeper.>2021Lots of gameplay issues built in to the point the average viewer can notice how fucked up some things are. Every cup had a different patch and they all sucked and for every problem they fixed, they just introduced new problems on top of it.Probably the most divisive PES version although I think more managers overall hate it then like it.>>542619761Trip on MarcoZ/Gio
>>542619795Or I'm asking for the barest semblance of proof? Even the most insignificant vglcord drama gets receipts.
>>542620436Thanks, so whats the plan? another year of 15 then 17 again or 16? or lower?>>542620634Dont get mad at me I just shared my 2 cents as an outside viewer or w/e the term is
>>542619692>2018Infamous for being the version where defense and keepers are over powered, if you want to really understand why people have ptsd over this version just goo look at Spring 19's page on the wiki and count how many 0-0s and 1-0s it gave groups.>2019Second most use PES ever currently (12 cups, behind 17 now at funnily enough 17) Can be fairly watchable but has some the worst problems with momentum (you can go from winning hard in the first half to being hapless in the second with no way of stopping it) or PES deciding your team will hold idiot ball and not be allowed to play for 90 minutes.>2021A divisive version that involved alot of patching that people also have ptsd over, 3-4-3 was so overpowered it had to be banned, let's Spin To Win goals and one vgl team won a vgl where half of their goals were free kicks on it which made people go "Free Kick Free Goal/FKFG"
>>542620809>Thanks, so whats the plan?Right now it's PES15 for the rest of the year and also going into the Winter Cup for next yearThere's nothing concrete planned out after that yet but it's looking most likely that the cup and VGL will probably head to PES21 since PES15 isn't being very well received and PES17, as good as it is, is the latest PES that we are just switching off from after around 2 years (i think?) of being on it. And before that we just had PES16.
>>542621014*lots of
>>5426210142018 was also a huge aesthetics downgrade for half the teams. Those problems are fixed now but it contributed a lot to 18s poor image.
>>542621186Spring 19's auties make note of that
>>542621014Surely the defense being too good is something easily fixable with some testing of stats 'tism. You probably wouldn't even have to "lobotomize the defenders" as people say, just go to 4 medals with 3 golds so every team has 3 gods on attack and no room for defensive medals. Obviously that might not work, but the cup will go back to 18 eventually so different medal setups should be looked at.
>>542621112>21vgl more like vghI already feel 10 managers switching to an autopilot for 21
>>542621014>>542621112>>542621186So there isnt just one version that is just better at everything managers would want out of the game?
>>542621461>So there isnt just one version that is just better at everything managers would want out of the game?No.PES17 and PES19 are the closest to that but they still have problems.
>>542621461The closest you are going to get is likely 17, though 17 has a few of it's own problems (Height Abuse + Centering targets and when that's banned langball spam is very strong and invites alot of lang ball duels which get tiresome fast)
>>542621371I am a cup manager who is probably going to switch to caretaker after Autumn. It won’t be because of PES version.
>>542621112I thought Sou said he's more likely to try and get 14 or 18 working first before 21?
>>542621978>more likely to let other people try and get 14 or 18 working first before 21?ftfy
Which PES is the least RNG-dependent/most consistent? I feel like 17 is the most random 'everything can win against everything just flip the coin lol' one
>>542621978I don't think 14 is very likely next despite what Sou says now, especially with the already negative reaction to going back as far as 15 with how degraded the menus and overall graphics are.18 could be possible next since he's talked about wanting to look into it again but I think it will be 21 next first
tfw no riggybet
>>542622523randomness is good as long as its not 0(0) team at half goes 18(15) and 6 goals with the same exact sliders
>18>21What about 20?
>>542621631>Centering targetsit doesn't seem that powerful tbdesu
>>542622536My read was that they’ll go to 19/21 and 18 is something they look at after that
>>542622753it is with Height Abuse, Centering targets isn't an issue without HA
>>542622753not with 190cm centerbacks
>>542622735Never got cracked.Supposedly it's exactly the same as 19 anyway though and 20 was just 19 + a roster update. At least that's what ((they)) say but I'd be curious to see if it really does have some different gameplay.
>18>21too old
>>542622819gimme ct ha export i want to check it on dbc ruleset
>>54262252317 itself isn’t random but running langball is viable on 17 and it has higher RNG
>>542622912look at /lgbt/ during that one cup they won on 17
Why dont all the autists band together and take the best parts of pes2014-2021 and make the perfect game for durivugurasu?
>>542623124Autism doesn't imply competence.
>>542623124Less effort that just swapping pes versions when one gets stale
>>542622889That's not correct. The common line is that 20 is the same as 21 because 21 is supposed to be an update if 20, but if you look it up, 21 supposedly has "enchanced AI for an improved experience" so that could mean anything.
>>542622889Nah 20 is exactly the same as 21. 21 is literally called "roster update" in the title cause whatever was supposed to be PES2021 got cancelled due to coof. Konmai then decided to switch everything to their mobile game so they could abandon the aging Fox engine. eFootball was born out of that>>542622958That team was so good it won 3 cups back to back
what would you like to see in the perfect divegrass game?
>>542623665/myteam/ winning
>>542623476I probably still have an EDIT for 20, it's just like 21. Heck even the patches would work on it (check evoweb, most early 21 patches are labeled 20/21)
>>542623665gay sex on the pitch as goal celebration
>>542623665A good fucking stadium for once.
>>542592230Are you Alex or Grassgoon?
>>542623665Streakers.
>>542623665Career ending pregnancies
>>542623476Close enough
>>542623124You need hundreds of mocapped animations and extremely complex AI. It's not the type of game 3-5 guys can make for free in their spare time.
>>542624272Just steal them from PES lmop
Where's the new 'ss
Which bitch should I waggle my willy to today?
>>542626557asuna
>>542626557Rabi
>>542626557zoer
>>542595982>how the fuck does the scene girl song connect to this either?This one is pretty obvious. It is the lesbian game, and that is the (not) lesbian song.
>>542622958>>542623614>https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Exports/Archive has exports starting from Winter 18>https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Exports/Pre-2018_Archive has exports ending on Spring 16>no EDIT file on the cup page>old tactics link on /lgbt/ page doesn't work anymoreI am going to kill myself
>>542627705check autumn /r9k/ or latest /indie/
/vr/ or /vrpg/?
>/1999/>Manager is a bit autistic but they haven’t done anything wrong>Still manages to stir up this much dramaI don’t understand
>>542627137>lesbian gamePost an ingame image of two girls kissing or you are a liar
'ss
>>542628015i wonder who could be behind this post
>>542627705https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2017#2017_4chan_Winter_Cup
>>542628084I don't get it.
>>542628084Wow he's making comics about the vglcord now?
>>542628084profile picture looking sus af
>>542628015this is why you don't make a /u/ reference
>>542628172oh... thanks anon!!
>>542628016Are you the same anon who kept on defending /vt/ league?
>>542628460Yes, I am every poster in /4ccg/
>>542626557Agnes Tachyon
>be a mid to low level lolcow>no longer even make the lolcow list thanks to the new class of lolcowsFeels good man
>>542629208you're still young
>>542629208Karth...
>be of the new class of managers>avoid becoming a lolcow due to not shitting up the 'cord like many of my contemporariesFeels good man
>>542629579just have an army of simps to defend you ez
>be of the new class of managers>pretend to be a girl so loser simps line up to give me advice
>>542629782>pretend
If /1999/ is copying /vrg/ what happened to this rule?>Exports must be mostly original in that I can't go to the editor and look at a team and see it's 99% the same as whoever the fuck won Summer or a top 8 VGL24 team, etc.Or did they let it be because they're new managers and they're too retarded to understand why this tactic won a VGL?
>>542629503Nah if you aren't posting in discord 24/7 and didn't pass the high level lolcow threshold it's pretty easy get forgotten
>>542629782the one you're talking about is doing things that most troons don't. For better or worse, this might be a real one.
>>542629782They don't even care if you're a girl or a troon. The only way to know is you join the commentary box and let your voice heard.
>>542629840First off, it isn't a 1:1 copy. Second, this is an /agl/ rule what are you talking about?
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vt/_eXpoIs TMA not worried about viewer fatigue?
>>542629840massive stats difference, different options on preset 2 and 3.Or perhaps just female favoritism.
>>542630237It's not about the quality anymore. It's now a quantity just like how other vtuber agencies throw new vtubers every week or month.
>>542630210NTA but it was a rule in the first NTC.
>>542630210https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/New_Thread_Cup_4Read, retard.
>>542629972I liked the Mexican esl karabellum.
Nobody would care about /1999/ if it wasn't chinkshit. It'd just be another /tnm/ /revue/ clone.
>>542631163What an odd thing to complain about.
>>542631383That wasn't a complaint but you sure took it as one. Raped much?
I am the one who rapes.
settle the posterhttps://strawpoll.com/wby5QaA9kyA
>>542628015this is why you never admit being a girl
>>542632495Yeah, if you're a woman, disguise it by literally putting man in your name, for example Old_Man_Sou or The_Crimson_Man
It could be my crippling porn addiction but my reaction to a manager being female is complete disintrest.?
>>542631163you mean because of the managerif akari managed /1999/ and sangen managed /hbr/ everyone would be talking about the latter
>>542545796
>>542632594same desu
>>542632495the funny thing is that they never admitted it either.it's just a lot of assumptions.
>>542628084I actually don't get it.
>>542632721I don’t care much but based on their cord posts I’d assume they and Zoer are female. Same attitude that if they post about a problem that someone will solve it for them. Men generally don’t expect to get helped so will try to figure it out themselves.
>>542629840They probably forgot about this rule and didn't have time to attempt to enforce it.I haven't opened their export up to see how close it is to /vrg/ but the formation is definitely identical and people have been saying the medals are the same.
They don't act like females, they act like seafags. A common misconception as there is little difference between males and females of the seafag species
>>542633780are SEAfags real life elves?
>>542633780@aoba is this true??
>>542633654>/vrg/ cheated>/1999/ cheated by copying /vrg/Like pottery
>just learn to play with one formation bro>BUT NOT THIS ONE
Where are the lady boys?
>>542635016In the aoba village
>>542629840That's like saying every 433 is /vrg/ or /sp/. /1999/ has a lot of original shit that is mostly a nerf to it anyway
>>542633886That look like orcs
what if the streamer shit his pants live
Fantastic divegrass discussion
>>542642953*rapes you*
>>542639083its a buff actually if the other team doesnt know how to abuse it
>>542643121so it's not a buff.
>>542642857That already happened once.
>>542632121who voted for me, name yourself
>>542643471I did
>>542643591alright you're going in my Bad Book. watch your back
PES2021 without patches is horrendous
>>542643302that's really fucking funny dude, how unfortunate
tried to use the minecraft world that was dropped in here, it was all corrupted, how do i fix that?
he's black
>>>/trash/78549792zoer when (s)he sees me
>>542644417
>>542644417at this point even chatbots are better, what are these niggas doing
>>542644774>>542644774>>542644774
>>542644417Pajeet behavior. I'm so embarrassed for everyone
>>542633438This. Even knowing that Zoer was a woman based on her commentary in Baglel it was obvious she was a woman based on her typing style.
>>542647910How so?
