Astral Beauty Edition>News:Patch 8: https://baldursgate3.game/news/the-final-patch-new-subclasses-photo-mode-and-cross-play_138Patch 7: https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-7-now-live_121Patch 6: https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-6-now-live_108Patch 5: https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-5-now-live_99>Wiki:https://bg3.wiki>Mods:https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/>FAQ:>Q: How often should I long rest?>A: Many companion and romance interactions occur when long resting. Some early lower priority camp scenes can also be missed if higher priority ones are queued. To advance companion quests or romances, make sure to long rest often.>Q: Can I recruit Minthara without going down the evil path?>A: If you knock her out in Act 1, yes. You do miss out on the sex scene, but otherwise the romance remains the same.>Q: Underdark or Mountain Pass?>A: Either, or both. It's recommended to clear both on higher difficulties for the experience and loot. Both connect to the same Act 2 map.>Q: Is The Dark Urge essentially "Tav+"?>A: Yes. You get additional content, BUT there are points where, if you've chosen to resist the Urge and/or don't complete quests the "right" way, you'll have to pass additional checks to avoid losing companions.>Q: Are there any consequences to consuming tadpoles?>A: No, for the most part. However if you've consumed any tadpoles, there will later be a DC 21 Wisdom check to reject the Astral-Touched Tadpole, which affects your appearance if consumed.>Q: Should I enable Karmic Dice?>A: Karmic Dice will avoid streaks of low rolls, both for you and the enemy. It is recommended to disable it if you're specializing.>Polls:>Romance: https://strawpoll.com/NMnQ5kJXYn6>Race: https://strawpoll.com/kjn18WPzeyQ>Class: https://strawpoll.com/eNg69DKKjnA>Companions: https://strawpoll.com/bVg8o8l3VnYOP pasta: https://rentry.org/bggpastaPrevious thread: >>542911350
missionary with shadowheart
Mizora feet
Speaking purely as a first time player at the end of Act 2 and going into most encounters without what's going to happen, it feel like every "difficult" fight in this game is really just about positioning Once my toons are in range and set up, it's basically gg. But holy how is it a fucking pain to get in the right spots at times.
>>543289398Mud colored skin
>>543289305she truly is an astral beauty
Impregnated by Astarion
shadowheart could be cute if the had a decent hiarcut
>>543289869
>>543289869cute and true
>>543289869>Tsk'va! A githyanki is no beast of burden!
How do BG3 waifufags cope with the fact that the best BG waifu isn't even in the game?
larian's next game...bg3's successor...I can smell it
Despite being only 10% of the camp population, Shadowheart is responsible for 100% of the pregnancies
>>543297558who did she impregnate?
>>543297674Karlach, Lae'zel somehow, Mizora, Emmeline, Isobel, and Astarion
I'm confusedSo there was no actual consequence if you let Shart stab Aylin? It literally was just a test of faith and not a "real" sacrifice?
>>543300528No, Shar could turn on the switch whenever she liked and would've hit the switch if Shart had stabbed her.Aylin as an immortal Selunite was useful to factory produce Dark Justiciars, but that ended once the Gauntlet fell into ruin and Ketheric abandoned Shar.
>>543297674laezel laid dozens of eggs
Rumor has it Jason Schreier is about to write a major expose on Larian and BG3 development, apparently they used crunch. People are going to (finally) turn on them in a big way when it hits, which usually means all the other dirty laundry starts coming out. It'll be interesting to see what skeletons are in the closet given what we already know about Swen being a piece of shit racist. Blizzard 2.0.
>>543301838Put them up
This is my first time playing. What's the second character you make for? Is he important?
>>543300528How do you people manage to speedread to this degree?
>>543302284Zoomers hate reading, it causes physical pain to read or pay attention to anything. It's why "didn't read" and "words words words" are a go-to for them. You could hang a book around their neck and it would be like hanging a kryptonite chain around a brown, vaguely trans superman.
WHy does minthara have a tatoo like a hoe
>>543302246Yes. No. Maybe. It's better if you find out on your own.
>>543302246>What's the second character you make for?someone that you'll see in your dreams after some long rests>Is he important?yeah
>>543302683>>543302689Oki, thank you
>>543302246You get to have sex with them later
swashbuckler is a shit multiclass
>>543294757Tell me the story about trollops and plug tails again
I wish there was an option to sell out karlach to gortash again
>>543302960No version of rogue will ever be more front loaded than an extra bonus action.
>>543302660Drow women are religiously, culturally, biologically required to engage in whorishness. Minthara literally ate demon ass in front of her own mother, just for ceremony.
>>543302660That's how she claims a set. The tattoo depicts the emblem of her family from Menzoberranzan.
>>543302925But I made a great beefy orc...
>>543301838>apparently they used crunchwhat
>>543304074It means they abused workers and forced them to work very long hours, 40+ a week, in order to line their pockets. This results in burnout and lower quality of work, which you can see all over Baldur's Gate 3, especially towards the end which would be when the burnout really sets in.
>>543289802Gale has a TON of corny lines like this, but no one dogs on him since he's the only white guy who isn't a flaming homo
>>543304494>they paid people overtime to reach a goal on timeOh no?! That's just normal shit
>>543304494oh you're just esl got it. you phrased it so weird i thought you were talking about something else
>>543304787Crunch being normal in an abusive industry doesn't make it right. It's a lot less normal than it was precisely because decent people took notice, sat up straight, and complained. Name and shame works. And I think we're going to find out that nobody deserves it more than Larian.
Still the undisputed RPG of the decade, though.
>>543304848There's nothing ESL about it. Perhaps you're projecting.
>>543305798>used crunchok esl
>>543305746karlach is so ugly
>>543305746Probably not. It wasn't even the best game of 2023, and we still have a lot of decade left. The Expanse is already looking better, and if they survive to release it Larian's own space game might make it out.
>Reach the ending, Baldur's gate is saved>I'm a hero>Shadowheart wants the two of us to share the rest of our lives together>She clearly loves me now>whisper in her ear>"You'll have to do a lot more hipwork before I commit to any legwork">Kill her parents
>>543305746Only the decade? What RPG is better than BG3?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
>>543306291Both Pathfinder games, Solasta, Rogue Trader, Starfield (in terms of pure roleplaying anyways), Clair Obcur, the recent Oblivion remaster, Greedfall, the recent FFVII remasters, just to name a few. Baldur's Gate 3 was more sizzle than steak, and hardly had anything in common with a real Baldur's Gate game to begin with.
>>543305746we're halfway through the decade chill
Why didnt you post the FULL image
>>543307127You mean why didn't (you) seeing as this was all an elaborate setup for your gay bullshit, schizo.
>>543307127I still think that bg3's party is overral awful like just add an orc or a dwarf or something everybody's white & sassy
>>543307315>everybody's whiteI wish.
>>543307127No one wants to see the male companions. Do you understand?
>>543307718Minsc…..?
>>543307718
>>543308261another white companion
>>543306889Of the ones I've played, I don't think any are close to BG3The pathfinder games are just timesinks if you really like PF/3.5 with atrocious encounter design, and every mechanic that isn't directly imported from PF is shit. Solasta doesn't look very promising to me, but I've thought about trying it if I'm in the mood and catch it on sale. DLC core classes seems super fucking cancer to me thoughRogue Trader is so shit didn't finish it, and that's coming someone who played the tabletop for years. The game is weirdly easy, but the mess that they turned the 40k rpg system into is just grotesque. The only positive thing I can really say about it is it has the least worst minigame forced on you between it and the two pathfinder games. I'm genuinely sad they're doing a DH game now and I've wanted one forever.Haven't played Clair Obcur yetlolI assume you're just saying this in the hopes that nobody else has played Greedfall, but it was not a good experience unless you really like walkingI haven't touched the FFVII remasters, and have no desire to. They sound cursed
>>543308964I forgot Starfield. See Oblivion
Who did neil newbon voice
>>543309126Scratch
>>543308206Minsc isn't just male, he's a man
whats a good combat healer class/buildwhats a super duper fun ranged class/build
>>543310604>combat healerdon't
>>543289305Are there no modding tools for BG3? Why aren't there custom campaigns made using the engine that everyone is talking about the way people talk about SoTS mods or Halo Forge maps?
>>543311324You dont play CRPG
>>543310604Combat healing isn't really something the game rewards much character investment on. Most of the time, the best play is to just make sure they aren't dead with healing word, and work towards killing things faster (which both clerics and bards can do easily enough). Healing domain clerics do have a handful of options that are worth using in combat though, and there's a lot of equipment that will give you more for your healsFor ranged there's a ton of options. Warlock is basically just using a cantrip that's effectively as good as a fighter with a bow. It has the downside of enemies rarely nullifying your turn with counterspell, but it's great on damage, attacks per turn, and having a lot of option options.Just playing a fighter battlemaster/arcane archer is obviously good as well. As for "builds" you can also raise strength as well as dex with items/potions/extreme character building to get a lot out of the titanstring bow, but the real thing that gives you the most out of that is just making good use of special arrowsThrowing builds also work well, which are basically just eldritch knight for bound weapons, or barbarian for more damageAnd there's the multiclass shit like thief rogue 3, gloom stalker ranger 5, rest whatever.Other than picking sharpshooter for bows or tavern brawler for throwing there's not much to really think about.
Just beat the game after playing it for almost 2 years, on and off obviously. Did everything, every quest, savescummed for the best outcome and saved everyone that could be saved.It was a great game and one of the best RPGs ever made. I'm glad it came out especially since new RPG games suck.Shame they're not sticking to making dlcs, I doubt larin is going to pull off a better game than this, especially since their track record before BG3 was olay at best.
I am Baldur's Gate 3
Missionary with Astarion
>>543314039same feel
>>543314417toad is closer to a pitbull with fucked up nose and everything
>>543314608frogschizo
Great facial aesthetics wasted on a half baked companion with an unfinished quest.
>>543314748>Great facial aestheticsKEKAROOOOOO
>>543306889>Both Pathfinder games, Solasta, Rogue Trader, Starfield (in terms of pure roleplaying anyways), Clair Obcur, the recent Oblivion remaster, Greedfall, the recent FFVII remasterslmfaoooooooooooooo
>>543289609
Can I save orpheus and the emperor?
>>543305746So far yeah, but I wouldn't say undisputed. There are several strengths to games like Rogue Trader and Expedition 33.A lot of bg3's strength is the cinematic presentation conveyed through music, sound design, cutscenes, voice actor performance, and voice actor directing. Well, Exp 33 excelled in every single one of these as well. So they're sort of neck and neck in those regards.And in terms of being a huge game full of fun decisions and side quests and exploration and a fun universe to explore and learn about, rogue Trader is neck and neck with bg3 too in those regards.So I think to far, bg3 does still hold the title, but there is legitimate competition. Also, there are several upcoming games that look good that might provide more competition. I'm willing to bet Larian's next game is actually bigger and better than bg3. They're coming off a huge success, the team gets to work on their own setting with their own gameplay mechanics which was one of their complaints about bg3/dnd 5e, and they have so much money. Not to mention 7 studios with hundreds more employees. The recipe for an even better game than bg3 is set up, and that's exciting to think about.
im trying to REJECT the power and it keeps fucking rolling single digitsI DONT WANT TO BE PARTIAL-THING
>>543315769noyou should side with the emperor anyway
>>543315920t. emperor
>>543315920I mean yeah, he saved us
>>543315871Shouldn't have eaten the tadpoles
>>543314748>Great facial aesthetics
>>543314748It may be easy greentext bait, but I agree. Karlach has a really nice face. Eyes too
>>543315871
>>543297674Shadowheart is the one getting impregnated (by me)
>>543315867You got cucked in bg3 that you found a rebound lol
>>543316643t. Wulbren
>>543318454dedicatedfrog
>*attacks you while you're in pajamas*How do you respond?
>>543319996Lae'zel... she prepared me for this moment in Act 2...
>>543319996I waste no time dispatching these weirdly colored gith. My dream guardian is in grave danger and I need to rescue her.
>>543321296>I need to rescue her.I still cant believe we did all this shit before what happened at the beginning of Act 3........
>>543315867ex33 btfo's bg3 in story/characters but its story is railroaded like a movie. bg3 is better than rogue trader in every way. if you take into account roleplaying potential, player freedom, story, characters, cinematics, and gameplay then bg3 still comes out on top overall.
WHo is aylin's father?How does a goddess have a child
>>543322592Her mother is the goddess of the moon, crazy lesbians and male feminists. No answer will be good.
Speaking of AylinWhat happens when Isobel is old and wrinkly? Is Aylin gonna go find a hotter, younger girlfriend?
>>543322984waddya mean whenshe's already old, she has white hairr
>>543288560I feel like you're sanitizing Mintharafag's position for him. He said this:> A person should not introduce themsleves to all future acquanitaces with their cult name, because that is not the most productive thing for most people to handle identity issues. Among several other comments criticizing keeping the name itself. He wasn't only criticizing the single "cast a shadow without light" line. He missed the nuance of the situation. Again the cult didn't give Shadowheart her name, she chose it herself. Her little cult members actually tried to bully her out of having that name. In the scene with the cheesy line, it's kind of like she's contextualizing her own chosen name and giving it a new purpose. Whether some people call her Jenevelle in the future doesn't matter much, her father and mother still call her Shadowheart I think. And if she decides at some point "Jenevelle" fits better, that's fine too.
Why did I only have a whooping 45% chance to hit those damn frog ninjas
>>543324346frog superiority
>>543322592My headcanon is that Aylin was literally a miraculous birth. Selûne is a goddess. She doesn't really need to concern herself with worldly matters like finding a suitable mate and sexual intercourse for the sole purpose of procreation.
>>543324020He's never going to fuck you bro
>>543324690She probably did just bless some worshipers to make their kid born a half-celestial. It would be the path of least resistance to explain her anyway, but I wouldn't rule out something far more ridiculous either
>>543324427
>>543319996the only good frog is a dead frog
What could have been....
>>543326030All those Dark Urge players that would have had their slayer form
>>543325243>it's another istik tsk'va episode
>>543312008There has to be some really good cantrips builds I can give shadowheart so she’s doing something besides healing or summoning whack ass weapons that do 4 damage
>>543328460Unless you're a warlock, using a cantrip really just means it's not worth using spell slots at the moment. If you respec her to be a nature cleric she could probably have decent hit chance with shillelagh and do a little extra melee damage, but I don't think it's worth it. Light cleric is easily the most useful, but she's still dead weight on turns you aren't using spells outside of causing enemies to miss a little more.
I wish everyone here had a user name so you could ignore retards more easily. Maybe someday.
>>543324020I didn't retread the entire argument because I was not, and am not, interested in doing that. Whether Shadowheart chose her cult name or it was imposed on her doesn't sound particularly meaningful to me, insofar as we assume her previous identity was erased fairly early on, and so "choice" was likely already stripped at that point.Maybe the name "Shadowheart" was indeed an expression of her self. Maybe the Mother Superior decided on the name for her. And maybe the other kids picked on her not because of her name, but because she was more sensitive than most. "Maybes" don't really budge one's opinion in the context of deciding whether her holding on to that name in the present is healthy or realistic - circling back to that infamous line. The irony is that both sides are completely defensible.
>>543322984Aylin kept loving Isobel even when she thought she was dead, even when she endured a century of torture and isolation. Her pure love has already been tried by time and distance, and still it hasn't waned in the slightest. I think she's going to be okay with a few wrinkles.
Lae'zel is love.Lae'zel is life.Lae'zel a miracle of the universe.Lae'zel might've done some things wrong, but she's still a beautiful person inside and out.
>>543330336cute frog
>>543330619POV: Halsin
>>543330012You can’t love a dead person romantically
>>543330619I don't think much of this line most of the time, but I got some laughs out of it playing a halfling once
I need an answer for what's superior for martials, DEX or STR? DEX allows you to also boost initiative, AC, and ranged weapon damage, but the strongest melee are usually STR-based.
>>543329040What determines hit chance again?I Actually brought Wyll to the end of Act 2 cause SOMEONE said there's a BIG EMOTIONAL PAY OFF (not really) but he was actually super useful just Eldritch Blasting his way through the enemies
>>543331379Don't underestimate jumping as well. Strength makes a huge difference for mobility (but monks get something eventually that evens it out for them). There's enough throwing options available that I don't think it's really much of a consideration for being able to use ranged weapons or not either. In theory if you really know what you're doing, the metagame-bullshit answer is to dump strength and make good use of strength elixers, but personally I think having 24 strength on your character sheet when you don't have any buffs is cooler.But the answer is it depends on your class and how you want to play. >>543332432Hit chance is proficiency + relevant ability modifier + other bonuses. For eldritch blast, "other bonuses" would likely be something that increases spell attack like a staff, for a weapon it would be mostly be enhancement bonus.
>>543314748Agreed. They truly nailed her proportions but giving her eyes a slight oriental hint was what made her face memorable.>>543328460There is, it's called Sacred Flame. As you progress there will be a rabbit hole with equipment involving Radiating Orbs and/or the Reverberation mechanics, and most of them requires dealing Radiant damage (SF is the only such cantrip) or inflicting some condition (both Orbs and Rev. count). Most players encounter the first piece in the middle of Act1 (Luminous Armour in the Selunite Outpost) and if you do both the Underdark and the Mountain Pass you'll arrive to Act2 with a working setup. There you'll able to gather the last pieces and some others that could complement your stuff well (e.g. magical items that needs light to trigger - Orbs act as a light source too). Not to mention Radiant damage and Act2 is a match made in heaven.Don't worry if you're not hitting with Sacred Flame too often in the first few levels. Later on with (hopefully) more WIS and Spell DC gear it will be easier to land it. Unfortunately Shadowheart's Fire Bolt is fucked, as she received the High Elf version of it and that uses INT as spellcasting modifier. So YMMV what's her best cantrip at lower levels. Last but not least she can also serve as a fine front-liner once you stack enough AC on her (and round up her DEX to 14). Once you get access to Spirit Guardians she will be devastating just by standing in one place and baiting enemies to approach her. And did I mention there's equipment with effects based on missed melee attacks against the wearer? Good times.>>543332432Wyll is probably the only no-brainer companion to the very end of Act2. A unique +2 Rapier that can't be gotten otherwise is well worth the trouble. Besides he has two matters to settle down there, based on what you know at that point during your first run.
>>543322984They can just move on to Selune's realm after Isobel dies, loyal clerics don't stay old and wrinkly there.
>when you wake up from a hundred years old nightmare >just to realize a new one about to begin>sweatingintensifies.jpeg
>>543342125heh sharters when the mod gets banned
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/17753good or trans?
>>543344107I don't see the downside. Other than the kind of person who knows to get this mod would already know to just camp excessively at the start anyway.
Im recruiting Minthara for the first time, what are some good Minthy builds?
>>543344107>>543344336It's so hard to find all the camp events documented. Even the wiki doesn't have all the intro ones like if you only recruited shadowheart, etc.
>>543350995Dueling with shield (get savage attacker in this case) or great weapon, bonus action saved for soul branding. Get luck of the far realms for smites since she comes with tadpole powers.
>>543350995Just my two cents: I plan to stick to her Vengeance Paladin roots (or maybe Oathbreaker if it goes well to my future evil Durge) and mix it with some Cleric of Lolth as that's what female drows of Menzoberranzan traditionally become. She's one of the extremely rare exceptions due to nu-DnD reasons but the concept is sound regardless. Since Paladin is a CHA class while Cleric is WIS (and she only has 10) this will lead to an issue with casting modifiers. If I can overcome it 12 level Pala sounds tempting as she's not about that Bard or Warlock life. Sorcerer might be a step closer but still way too far lore-wise. if you don't care about any of these just look up some broken build and call it a day.
>>543352678minthara does not like lolth
>Mod that plays like Skyrim where you can loot items off NPCs and they end up nakedhttps://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/15009?tab=descriptionCool, anyone use this?
>a single (1) (one) goblin is smarter than an entire grove of """wise""" and """learned""" druids
>>543352835This. Minthara has the same problem as Drizzt in that she is wrong alignment for Lolth's chaotic evil society (just lawful evil instead of chaotic good). Lolth has left loyal servants unrewarded because their loyalty means they don't understand chaos properly, and wants constant civil wars in Menzoberranzan.
>>543322592Gods have sex with mortals whenever they want. Mystra has a habit of banging her Chosen, since we know Elminister did it before Gale did, and so on throughout history. The plot of the previous games was there are a bunch of Bhaal's children running around, that he had with mortal women. Dnd, and by extension Pathfinder, uphold this longstanding tradition from greek and roman mythology where the gods are actually pretty horny, both with each other and with humans. They're constantly banging each other too.Not all of them, of course. Some of them have no sex drives since they are utterly obsessed with other concepts, and plenty just have a personality that doesn't desire sex that much, just like a mortal can, but the number of times they do have sex with each other or a mortal has made it so that it's not such a big deal.So Aylin's father was probably some handsome, strapping Chosen of Selune who made a particular impression on her through his deeds. That's the usual story. It could have been a million different things since we're not told, but the idea of a god banging a mortal they particularly like is quite common.It's also not just for fun. Demigods/archons are powerful beings, so it benefits a god to have half-god children running around. Ao would stop you from flooding Faerun with your children for your own benefit if you became obvious about it (he was napping when Bhaal did exactly that), but a few here and there, within reason, is just a nice thing to have.
>>543354764how do you know so much?
>>543352835>>543354689Since I saved her for a future run (and obviously avoided spoilers) I can rely on her Speak with Dead answers. My impression was that she was a servant of Lolth until she abandoned her faith for the Absolute and now she's disillusioned with both. So I'm not against a few Cleric levels to represent her upbringing, especially if the spellcasting part only restricted to utility spells that doesn't have to overcome a DC. This is one way to "bypass" the double casting ability dilemma. Besides she doesn't have a problem rocking drow gear which obviously has Lloth imaginary all over it, which I don't think would be the case if she was in total refusal.
>>543322984Clerics, wizards, druids, paladins, and many other classes don't age the same as their non-class peers, because there are rejuvenating and life-extending techniques for a lot of them. They don't have to worry about that for a very long time. Potentially hundreds of years.But when it is Isobels' time to pass on into Selune's realm, presumably Aylin would be with much of the time, and return to her when she wasn't busy in Faerun. It's a trivial task for demigods to travel to their patron's realm.>>543324020I didn't miss the author's impression of what he thinks is nuance. The entire thing was his idea of her saying and doing something that is deep and meaningful. The intent wasn't lost on me, and we discussed the author's intent at length, so you can stop lying at any point. My criticism is, was, and remains that the line is stupid *and* the entire situation for it is contrived, and those are both simple statements of fact. If a character wants to handle a cult identity issue by holding on to their cult name and introducing themselves to all future acquaintances by the cult identifier, they have to justify that behavior, since that is not one of the common, reliable, and effective ways people deal with cult identity issues. It's the opposite. So when you write your character to contradict convention, you have to justify why they're doing that. Instead of focusing on the actual good part, where she makes a quick comment about how she doesn't feel like "Jen" and how she doesn't want to quickly move on past hall her victims, he made a joke out of the scene by having the character say the meme line. The scene would have been significantly better if it didn't exist, because suddenly you say "wait a minute..." about what the author was setting up. I didn't "not get it" like you've been lying, and you have not properly repeated back my position which means you're doing this in bad faith.
>>543353116>>543355874bump mintharafag you seem to know this type of shit
I already know the race but what's the class choice if you want to play as the most manipulative piece of shit ever?
>>543361060bard, with lots of illusion and enchantment spells. You can use dialogue stats to manipulate people, and when that fails, just cast magic that manipulates people.>>543357892I don't use that one but if it works it works.The author's preview images for it and his other mods have a lot of gooner material so this is one of those "realism" mods that is actually gooning. Which is fine, it's just always funny. Skyrim has a lot of those too.There are a lot of adult mods for bg3 if you check loverslab, but so far I haven't really been playing with them much, I'm still enjoying lightly modded, or gameplay related mods like encounters and increased difficulty.It took me over a decade of playing skyrim before I even saw my waifu in that game naked. I'm not in any rush.
>anyway let me tell you all about the bg3 loverslab mods I've downloaded recently
speaking of mods we finally got a custom companion mod and it's a femboy wizard, fully voiced and everything he even got origin dialogues which is pretty cool because I was about to start an origin karlach playthrough and didn't intend on romancing any of the companionshttps://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/10000
>>543355874>My criticism is, was, and remains that the line is stupid *and* the entire situation for it is contrived, and those are both simple statements of factAgain conflating opinion with fact. You seem to have major problem with this. You need to consult a dictionary on what those two words mean.>If a character wants to handle a cult identity issue by holding on to their cult name and introducing themselves to all future acquaintances by the cult identifierThe point is it's not simply a cult identifier. It's a name she chose herself that the cult actually discouraged. The cult didn't want her to have that name. It's HER chosen name ultimately, not the cult's. Again, you aren't understanding the situation there. I'm not sure why you aren't understanding. The name is "her" property and she does whatever she wants with it.>>543329559>Whether Shadowheart chose her cult name or it was imposed on her doesn't sound particularly meaningful to meThey didn't impose it on her and now you're completely misunderstanding the situation like Mintharafag. Whether she chose her own name or not is extremely important and changes the context of the scene. If it was a cult imposed name and she had no say in it, I'd agree with you both. But that's not what happened. The opposite happened. It's name she made herself that the cult didn't want her to have.
>>543363282I've been wanting a male companion that isn't a dudebro for years
>>543355874Why are you so hellbent on applying some generic conception of trauma response to the story? It doesn’t matter how many times or how many people try to explain to you, but the situation is uncommon. Her choice makes plenty of sense given that uniquely uncommon situation. I wasn’t surprised at all by it, though the scene was cheesy. Shadowheart is a name she chose as a child. It’s part of her and it represents everything about who she is, and who she was forced to be. She doesn’t want to, or can’t, just “let go.” I don’t know why you struggle to understand this. The game literally has dialogue that walks you through the logic. You also continue to describe your personal take on the scene as fact, but it’s just your opinion. “The scene is stupid.” is not a fact, no matter how much you might wish it to be.
>>543362401>over a decade
>>543363305You're actually mistaken about the name. You choose what the code name is, but you don't choose whether you have to go by a cult name. They make you take a new name in order to break you down from who you used to be, in this case Jen. She chose the codename to be Shadowheart, but she did not choose whether she had to use a codename. So the cult did not discourage her from using that name, you are simply wrong on this, and if the actual cult didn't want her to use that name, they would have made her change it. The cult itself didn't care what the name is, they just check the box that they're forcing the recruits to distance themselves from their past selves. What you're thinking of is the other peers within the cult who made fun of the name because it's a stupid name. That did happen. But that is not the actual cult itself wanting her to change her name, that is her peers making fun of her. Different things, and your claim is incorrect.The cult made her take a codename in order to break her down from her old identity and reform her. It's part of the process. So her saying she wants to keep it is not the advised way to free yourself from a cult's influence, it's the opposite. Most conventional cult escapees want to leave the cult behind and rediscover who they actually are. This is the entire thing about Shart's method of coping being contrary to convention, and when you have a character do things contrary to convention, you have to justify it. If you thought Shadowheart chose to take a cult name so it was her choice, then that explains why you are also wrong elsewhere. She didn't choose to take a cult name, she only chose what the cult name was when forced to make one. So holding on to something they made you do as part of the effort tot ear down your identity is atypical, thus what I just said. Your mistake on the origins of her name explains a lot.
>>543363971How does someone miss the point so dramatically? Surely this is an AI used to bait engagement. This can’t be real.
>>543363882>Shadowheart is a name she chose as a child.Well, that ignores that they deliberately erased her original name from her memory, that she tried to remember.https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Hastily_Written_Note_(Night_Orchid_Cave)
First playtrough was evil durge at release, and right now I'm stuck between a few choices for a second one.>Wyll origin + a mod to change his looks so I can play a warlock and have an ACTUAL patron>Durge again, this time resisting (but still somewhat grey)>Durge again, evil again (I love evil runs)>Good guy Tav, just your normal LG protagonistMizora is what's making this really hard, playing a warlock and actually having a patron sounds fun
>>543363971>So the cult did not discourage her from using that name, you are simply wrong on thisWrong. Nocturne says they did.>What you're thinking of is the other peers within the cult who made fun of the name because it's a stupid name. That did happen. But that is not the actual cult itself wanting her to change her nameIt's not because it was stupid, it was because they thought it didn't fit her. And them bullying her over it is in fact non-acceptance of it. They thought she should have picked something else. It's clear what the author's intent was there.
>>543363882Fact 1: When you write a character that contradicts convention, you have to justify why they're doing that. Or else it's bad writing.Fact 2: Most people don't choose to introduce themselves by their cult name when they're free from the cult, and most advisors will advise the opposite because that is not conducive to the most effective methods of coping, thus her behavior does factually contradict convention.Fact 3: Giving a short nod to the actual good reasons for Shart's choice but then having the climax of the scene be her saying the meme line is in fact "bad" or "stupid" because a poor writer chose to include something stupid that he thought was clever when he could have just not written that and left the otherwise better relatively speaking scene alone. Adding things to a scene that are stupid drags the whole thing down, and in a case like this you even start to wonder how much of the rest of the scene was set-up or justification for the idiotic line. In other words, Shart just saying she doesn't feel like Jen or that moving on too quickly would be a disse4rvice to her victims is actually fine and good, but then that's overshadowed when she turns to the camera and says "besides...you can't have light without a little shadow :^)". You start to retroactively wonder how much of the rest of the stuff that was actually ok on it's own was buildup or justification for that shit. If Shart had just said the first two things without the third thing, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But John chose to enshittify a scene that could have been fine with his "bro....bro listen to this one" line.It's not an opinion that the entire scene is enshittified by the meme line, and that the whole scene would have just been better if the line didn't exist. Which is what I've said from the start, and is a fact not an opinion. There is such thing as objectively bad writing, despite what your post-modern relativist english teacher told you.
>>543364763>When you write a character that contradicts convention, you have to justify why they're doing that. Or else it's bad writingnot them but lol what. since when is this a rule anywhere? you pulled it out your ass
>>543363282>>543363847Wow, so stunning and brave!
>>543364763 what a terrible post
>>543363847what about wyll?
>>543363282Look, not up my alley, but at least it's a startIt was about time some serious mods started appearingThere is also an AI integration mod similar to CHIM (though it's not there yet)
>>543363282>>543364958Lae'zelbros...
>>543364763>Fact 1: NOT A FACT>Fact 2: CONJECTURE AND NO REAL STATISTICS SHOWN>Fact 3: NOT A FACTHoly shit learn what fact means
>>543365087he's ugly and has no personality, pass
>>543364225No it doesn’t. How does this ignore anything? She was abducted, forced to forget her past, and brainwashed to believe the cult saved her from certain death. As a child. She then makes a conscious choice, picks the name, and carries it with her over the course of her entire known life.>>543364763Fact 1: It is justified. Your statement is also nonfactual, and frankly laughably ridiculous.Fact 2: Your statement is loaded with assumptions. Shadowheart explains that continued use of the name does help her cope, so your position is null. Fact 3: Your third “fact” is nothing more than an opinion. I get it, you dislike the scene. I’m sure you could contact the writer himself through twitter if this is truly proving to be bothersome. I would also recommend you rewatch the complete scene because I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as you’re making it out to be.
>>543365298>gay and transwot, is that actually a thing? Man trans shit is so confusing
>>543364953Making believable character is a core part of what makes a story high quality or mid/low quality. A character's actions should make sense and follow from a reason. You can make a character do things that don't follow convention, but you need to write a reason why they choose to do things in ways that don't follow convention, otherwise you're writing an unexplained and unjustified character/scene, which is lower quality writing that writing that is coherent and consistent.The issue is not inherently that Shart handles her coping with cult identity in an atypical way, since she explains she shouldn't forget her victims so quickly and Jen sounds like someone she isn't yet. Those are reasons a person would contradict convention, so John almost covered his bases.The issue is that the scene is enshittified by something he added.In other words, paying homage to all your victims by not letting yourself forget and having that constant reminder of your sins is actually fine writing. But then cheapening that by adding "heh....can't have light without some shadow" some dumb pseudo-deep line right after the line about honoring your victims, made it all feel stupid and retroactively ruined the first part. Someone who's trying to be somber and use her countless victims as a reason to remind herself and not let herself forget, would not then say the meme line. It's actually worse existing, the scene and her previous statements are better without the meme line. Which is my criticism, and so far has held true despite all the discussion. Baldur's Gate 3 and Shadowheart as a character would both be better, higher objective quality, if that line didn't exist, and was just excised from that scene. This is a fact and nothing anyone has said indicates otherwise.
>>543365613it's a meme
maybe the worst namefag post of all time
>>543365498>No it doesn’t. How does this ignore anything?It's ignorant of the crucial detail that her name was forcibly taken from her.
>>543365856he can't stop showing people how dumb he is, he can't help it
>>543365754oh. I don't follow transgender culture much
>>543365681What if John wanted to characterize Shart as a stupid person who actually thought that line was deep? The line is fucking stupid and I don't know why some retards here are defending it but what if that's the point? What if Shart is written to be a retard?
>>543365681>"heh....can't have light without some shadow"It's easy to see what the author is trying to do. Recontextualize the name going forward. It's corny but understandable.
>>543366289namefag isn't helping himself by writing the worst posts ever filled with pseudo-intellectual garbage. he should say the line is cringe and move on
>>543366289I mean, disregarding any characterization, the obvious explanation(s) are>too lazy to re record all Act 3 lines with Jenevelle instead of Shadowheart>make some political statement how wrong it is to deadname peoplethe latter gets some reinforcement by the addition of Nocturne and her father's reaction to her name>only a fool would alienate their child over a name
>>543366289>>543366554You don't understand, manthytranny HAS to have a meltdown anytime someone says anything remotely nice about Shadowheart.
>>543354764why would women have sex with bhaal
>>543366798This is it. John made a trans-allegory. That's why Nocturne emphasizes that Shart chose her own name. It's why tranny Nocturne hated to see Shart get harassed over her name. It's why Shart keeps her self-made tranny name and gives it a new meaning.
>>543367125He turns into Astarion
>>543366335Right, that's the idea. The name goes from being your cult codename to being your badge of shame reminding you of all your victims, and she also doesn't feel comfortable stepping into the shoes of "Jen" yet. The idea is fine. The issue has never been the idea. That is what he was trying to do, and that by itself would have been fine and we would not be having this conversation.But then he just had to go and try to add a pithy one liner. That's the issue. He almost had a totally fine scene, but just couldn't stop himself.>>543366289lol. Sure. But that still feels slightly off, since she shows she does have understanding of the situation when she gives a fine justification for keeping the name. It feels like someone who would say she doesn't want to forget her victims, and shows that maturity, would not then say the pithy one liner about light and shadow. It just feels like a rollercoaster from making sense and being somber, then to being a high schooler in a poetry journal thinking you're deep. So even if we accept this line as a core character trait of Shart and she actually believes stuff like this is deep and worth saying, you're still left with inconsistent whiplash when the character says something smart then immediately says that shit.I was hoping for a more interesting conclusion than just "The character is just a retard", but I suppose that does succinctly explain why Shart said that line. You said it, not me.>>543366798I alluded to this earlier. The other parallel fact to this entire conversation is that they didn't want hundreds of lines that are just different versions of the same line whenever any referred to her or her name. So John probably had to come up with a sloppy justification, and this is the best he could do.Which, again he could have just stopped at the first reasons she gave, and not had the light/shadow line. But him being a bad writer made it so the line exists. Or wanting his character to be a retard. Either one.
>>543366798>make some political statement how wrong it is to deadname peopleits funny how often shart is forced to be the political cow for larian in act 3. shes a trans ally poly queen out of nowhere. a far cry from the arrogant cagey racist in early access.
take your gore elsewhere
I want them to announce their next game in the GOTY awards 2025 so bad
“Shadowheart is a retard.” How succinct. Too bad nobody made this conclusion sooner. Brilliant, I might add.
>john corcoranaward winning writer and wrote two very popular bg3 companions>shadowheart hatersbitter losers obsessing over her sex life
>>543371073>wrote two very popular bg3 companionsshart sure but halsin isn't that popular. i see a ton of criticism for him even in normies spaces
>>543371073Imagine a BG3 character written entirely by the mentally ill namefag, that would be something
Why doesn't every BG3 player just become a Wyllchad, we would have none of this drama nonsense.
>>543367635>But then he just had to go and try to add a pithy one liner.>So even if we accept this line as a core character trait of Shart and she actually believes stuff like this is deep and worth sayingSurely it's not anymore corny than Astarion calling himself an angel of vengeance or Gale saying "One last Gale to end them all" or Lae'zel's heart of stone or every single one of Wyll's lines
>>543367635Shadowheart must remind you of some girl that bullied you as a teen or something. Did you have a crush on the goth Stacie and she laughed at you because you are a raging smelly autist?
>>543373024I don't know, i really think this line takes the cake.
>>543373295Personally I think "One last Gale to end them all" is literally the worst line in the game
>he's spent years shitting on 1 female character because of a sex sceneAm I still not allowed to call him a fat incel?
>>543373541Always
>>543373541You'll mysteriously start getting bans for nothing when you do
>>543373024Everyone gets a cringe pass.Those lines are consistent with those character's characterization though. The line in question is 5 seconds after the same character vowed to never forget the countless victims she tortured and murdered under that name. Either John is a bad writer who ruined his otherwise fine scene with a stupid one liner he thought was clever, or he actually wrote the character on purpose to volleyball between somber thoughts about all her torture victims to saying corny one liners about light and shadow that even a high schooler would secondguess themselves. I don't know which is worse.Some people will say that her "hip work leg work" line, and her "climb mount Halsin" line, and a few others, mean that her overall characterization is that of a corny dweeb who says cringe shit, but I think this one is different, because those all had casual context. This one is 5 seconds after she somberly vowed to never forget her torture and murder victims. So this one contextually is worse, and isn't just a goofy character who says cringe things, but it's actually like inappropriate for the scene. Or maybe, as some people have said, John intentionally wrote her to be SO cringe that she thinks this line actually was appropriate to say, which is making her a new level of cringe that even her other cringe didn't reach.I suppose we'll never know which is the actual case.Gale is generally a cringelord as well. Gale being cringe is part of his ongoing characterization, especially when he meets Lorroakan, or talks about Mystra. His cringe is part of being a wizard prodigy and his personality.Lazy isn't a cringelord, most of her stuff makes sense given that she is an "extra" personality type of person. So dramatic descriptions and poetry fit, and don't contradict her other traits.People being cringe is fun, just make sure your writing is consistent.
>gale is cringe because he's le... wizardI hate this stupid tranny so much it's unreal
>>543374429How many times have you killed Shadowheart. Be honest. How many times have you sent death threats to John be honest.
>>543374429Astarion's line is uncharacteristically cringe and it's in the middle of an intense emotional moment. People occasionally say cornball shit on accident though. Not sure why you think Shadowheart's is sooooo bad but I think you're just mad at the character.
>>543374429>Lazy isn't a cringelord, most of her stuff makes sense given that she is an "extra" personality type of person. So dramatic descriptions and poetry fitwyll does the same flowery prose stuff as laezel and everyone hates him for it. why does one get a pass and not the other
>>543374996>I think you're just mad at the character.he is
>>543374712It's easy to make fun of a lot of lines in this game, but this general tends to focus on only one character for some reason.
>>543375517Because she "cheated" on him, he's the same as every other chud anon.
>>543375225I can't speak for other people, but I don't hate Wyll. I think he has some writing issues like standing still waiting for you to decide whether he feels like he should rescue his own father, but I wouldn't say I dislike the character. His ongoing characterization is consistent however, which is the current topic. Wyll does speak in a cringe way, he says a lot of platitudes and you often feel like he didn't actually say anything after he says something. Calling himself a hero even in his internal monologue when you select him, there's a lot of generally cringe but not offensive stuff he does. But that's who he is. It's not complicated or inconsistent.With the other scene in question, is Shart a somber person who makes vows about her crimes, or is she a high schooler writing in her poetry journal? If consistency is a desirable trait in writing (an objective fact despite what people afraid of objectivity have said here), then we see a flaw in the scene in question that isn't present in the other characters, even though the other characters have their own moments of cringe. It's not the cringe that's the issue. If John tweeted "Yeah I wrote Shart to be an inconsistent cringelord, that's why she starts talking about light and dark a second after talking about murder victims", that would at least be answer, and the character is inconsistent on purpose.
>>543376064Ahhh Corpsethara get away from that its dangerous! Photomode has such ass lighting. >need to get a mod to change hirelings racesDamn should I get it? I feel like you will actually ban me if I post Ugly Alice with Corpsethara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGNIf4vz8Yistik
Waifus, Husbandos,Love & Harmonyand comfy, spooktober themed Act 2 camp, my vbeloved.
>>543375517This, even laezel says some dumb fucking shit about your sweat it's in bad faith to call shart because of that
>>543364467there's a combined wyll/durge mod that i'm using. going pally 1/warlock 11
Is there any mod that allows me to use my party members stats in conversation? I wanna try the Giant barbarian subclass, and it's annoying to swap to a character with more charisma every time I talk to someone. Why they're not using the partiest highest for every skill check is super annoying.
I was wondering if there was any good option for a 4 Druid dip for the raven shape, doesn't seem so
>>543385423Try Everyone In Dialogue 2.0
larian is about to announce their next game and that guy is still crying about shadowbaby
>>543367031>Kawhyll Leongard, the Blade of Clippers>>543385558I's exclusive to Moon Druids, isn't it? If so then your options are either to take that (at least) 4 level dip or not. Or are you looking for something that complements it?
>>543375517Shadowheart gameShadowheart general
>>543373024>Astarion calling himself an angel of vengeancengl if it was a voiced line neil could've probably salvaged it, like what he did with all of welch's shitty writing. one thing that man is really good at is delivering lines
>>543387071yesI meant for the other levels. Everything seems to have quite a lot in the last levels, a 1 or 2 dip is easy, but more than that becomes a big costbest I saw was Wizard, but then there's the casting stat issue, plus of course high level spells. there doesn't seem to be a way that it's worth it
>>543386064Ah sadly that's not quite what I'm looking for. From reading the description that mod lets companions that are not in the party, but in camp interject when they have special dialogue, so you don't miss any unique interactions because say, your Karlach is in camp. What I'm looking for is that just lets me use the stats of the companions in my party for skill checks, without having to initiate the conversation with that party member.
pookie love
>>543376064I still think she was written to be retarded on purpose. It would explain some of her other behavioralso lol at the retards saying other characters have cringe lines too even after this post. literacy is at an all time low
>>543387587In my experience Druids are mostly pure classes. Their advancement is even and balanced. You can do a 1-2 level dip for some extra utility but that's it. So if I were you I'd try to figure out how many levels I'm willing to give up and what kind of dip makes it worth it.>>543385423>>543387593Though I only did a very quick search I found this: https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/2171 It's an old mod but they say it worked fine after Patch #8, only Hotfix 33-34 caused disturbance in the Force. So if you're not entirely up-to-date it might worth a shot. I'm aware that it doesn't solve your issue but at least you know it's possible to implement a such feature with the currently available tools. Sadly the original author abandoned this one.
laelae is the least cringe character, not one of her lines has ever given me the ick while wygga is ick ick ick all the time, like shart
oh no
>>543389416wyll and lae'zel both have a flowery, over written dialogue style. makes sense considering they share a writer. lae'zel literally an alien tho, so no one bats an eye. she's expected to talk strange. wyll proves the writer is just awkward in general tho and lucked out when he got assigned an alien character
there's only 1 astarion line that makes me cringe
>>543389928What is it
>>543376064damn dude shart thought it was cute thing to say. yes she's cringe. dying your hair to show you've changed as a person is also cringe. why are you still harping on this. why not spend hours writing essays on le angel of vengeance instead. its always shart that triggers your autism and no one else
>>543390593>why are you still harping on thisbecause sharters keep lying and saying it isn't cringe. he will literally stop once you admit your cringeness and getting cucked
>>543390734he's the only one denying the fact that he loves getting cucked, him getting cucked by halsin is literally all he talks about for over two years now, he's mindbroken & mentally ill
>>543390734are you the regular frogfag? bro you and mintharafag are legit obsessed in a way that isn't healthy. write about lae'zel cringe lines for a change
>write about lae'zel cringe lines for a changeok i'll start>....
>>543391207Oh Wyll does look tempting I want to lick the sweat off his horns
>I know. I'm stubborn, I'm rude, I'm pushy. Maybe I always will be. But I'm also loyal and protective and ferocious.How can you look at this and say it's a good line? Kevin is not a good writer
>>543391207>I did not authorize you to stare at my navel Gale
You can not be a Shartie and hate on Mintharatranny. I am his number 1 hater and I like Karlach and Astarion.
>>543391457wow what a great line
WHAT GOOD IS THIS HEART OF STONE FOR IT TO BE SHATTERED? Brought to you by your local gay furry
Damn Gale easy on the magic shoes
>>543391710>cool reference to the other greatest RPG expansion, heart of stonenothing wrong with that
>>543391720What Mystra does to a mf
>>543390593My posts only take a few minutes to write, and I do other things in between. And I wasn't the one who brought it up again this thread. You've made a couple assumptions that are not factual.We could talk about any character you like. But "other characters do X too" is not a defense of a scene or character, it's called whataboutism and it has no bearing on the current criticism.Additionally, the issue isn't even that she said something cringe, and I have explained as much already so this is odd. As I have explained, it's not the cringe itself, it's the scene's inconsistent characterization, which is bad writing. If I only had a problem with cringe in general and that was my issue, I'd have a lot of other things to talk about. But that by itself is not the topic.>>543388504Indeed.>>543391457The last part is cringe, but it's consistent with the scene and how she talks. If something is cringe, but not consistent, that's an issue. Just writing a character that is cringe but consistent isn't an issue, you're just having fun writing a cringe character, which is not a sin or bad writing. People are misconstruing what is even being criticized here.
>>543391478>misquote
>>543389348That's more what I'm looking for. Looking at the description, it looks like it's still not quite finished. Apparently the mod can't do anything about pure stat checks, which is a shame, as most dialogue checks are just straight charisma checks. Also a shame about it apparently being broken currently according to the newest comments. Fuck man, I don't think there's gonna be anything that does this. But thank you so much for trying to help, anon. question tho: In my first playthrough I played a sorc, so I was LOADED on charisma, and it made for a great character to play through the story with. But how do people who play a non-charisma class deal with this? Do you just come to terms with the fact that you're gonna fail most speech checks, even though you might have a high charisma companion in your party? I feel like that would annoy the hell out of me. If you play real DND, and your party talks to someone, anyone can take part in the conversation, not just the first to engage.
>>543391457him and john try to make their characters sound deep while spouting things you'd hear from teenagers, wyll's romance scene in act 3 might be one of the worst written monologue I've ever seen>>543391969you're fat, balding & retarded>>543391997this is even worse
>>543391969You never slandered her when she was your waifu. You are truly pathetic.
>>543391969>it's the scene's inconsistent characterization,Like it was pointed out, Shadowheart has other cringe moments. Her hair, for example. It isn't even inconsistent. You're trying to find any way possible to shit on the character. Pointing out other character's cringe moments is pretty relevant here. You fixate on one character and no others.
I bet once the space game has its own general he still be crying about Shadowheart in it.
I AM AN ANGEL OF VENGEANCE. THAT'S WHAT YOU MADE ME
>>543392687fr>>543392729not even neil would have made this line sound good thank god it's origin-only
>>543391207basically everything she says
i can't believe froggers would lie about her being cringe
>>543392367I've already explained this, but I can explain it again since you misunderstood.I did not say the character is inconsistently portrayed over the course of the game, I said in the scene where she is somber over her vow to never forget the victims of her torturing and murdering, then says "besides, you can't cast some light without shadow", it was an inconsistent action. First she is somber and saying something actually pretty insightful, and then in the next line she's reciting her light and darkness poetry that would embarrass even a high schooler. The character within this scene is written inconsistently, and you're given whisplash over her being mature and then that stupid line. John could have just had an ok scene where the character is sad and wants to wear the name as a reminder of the sins she's comitted, and left it at that and everything would have been fine and we would not be having this conversation. But instead, he could not stop himself from adding an incredibly stupid one liner, which makes her prior line sound like it was from a different person. The scene is written inconsistently, but it would have been fine if that line simply didn't exist. Hence, the valid criticism that John isn't a good enough writer to recognize that that line actually detracted from the scene and made it worse, but he thought it was awesome so he included it. It's a criticism of the writing, and has remained valid throughout all of this discussion of examples of other cringe scenes because people fundamentally misunderstood what the criticism even was. Shart is cringe and we all know that already and we don't need a discussion on that, and half the cast is also cringe. That's literally not the point.
>>543393136kevin really thought he was cooking
>>543393198Shadowheart you are cringe not like my waifu Corpsethara
>mini lae'zelneed one of those
>>543391207when she starts talking about your musk and wanting to taste you during the act 1 romance
>>543393405more like tadpole laezel
>>543393412>he's never had a woman say she likes the way you stinkngmi
>>543390050>Being with you is about more than lust or manipulating you into a tactical alliance.absolute dogshit ughwelch has a tendency to write extremely literal lines, which is jarring compared to the rest of Astarion's (Stephen Rooney) writing that's more nuanced. Act 2 and 3 romance scenes are especially bad, here are some examples of her writing that's like, ok???? did you really need to say this??like i said they're VERY literal>And I get to share it with you, as a partner. An equal.(Welch reminding you that you picked the correct ending congrats!!!!!!) as if one wouldn't assume this already in the spawn path??>I'd like to try doing things like this again, now I'm free to find my own desires.in the brothel (another welch scene) the player needs to be reminded post-cazador that astarion is free lol. btw he wants to find his own desires again wow who knew!!! GOTTA TIE IN AND REMIND THE PLAYERS OF HIS STORY ARC YEAH???>And don't worry, I'll dart out if I don't enjoy it faster than I used to run from the sun.another brothel welch line, like um ok>Precious little Bhaal-babe!act 3 durge romance line. mind you this is right after a conversation where he talks about being tortured to the point where he gave up trying to escape cazador and not to give in like he did, that you must try to escape bhaal no matter whatdon't get me started on the ascended romance trainwreck
>>543393001>githyanki parry>astral knowledge>proficiencyi mean she's not wrong
>>543393510>another brothel welch linedid welch write the whole brothel
>>543392024the workaround I use is switch main character before dialogues,even if it takes a good amount of metagming to know this beforehand
>>543393510Wow you actually thought about it >ascended romance trainwreckBut its hot
>>543393671probably, she's in charge of writing most act 3 romance scenes
>>543393505i would be content if indeed a woman would never say that to me, there's scent then there's being filthy
>>543393832no wonder the whole thing is ass. gale's brothel scene is especially bad
>Shart is cringe and we all know that already and we don't need a discussion on that
>>543393819it's hot i just hate how she railroads the roleplay so hard lemme grab the scenes in question>>543393671yeah according to her website
>>543393832>>543394078John CorcoGOD has been vindicated
>>543394178Ikr Mintharafag hated John with such passion, but Welch was to blame this whole time LOL
>>543393981scene with gale and halsin together is INSANELY bad. gale is very obviously uncomfortable and halsin shames him for not actively participating
>>543394273>gale is very obviously uncomfortableits clearly the normal reaction to opening up relationships and shart is a WHORE
>>543394248Bruh he's still going to blame John
>"Everything is cringe if you're unable to see the world with the eyes of love">t. Sarevok talking to Helena
>>543393198Cringe lines do tend to be seldom, unless it's Gale or Wyll. It's not like whole scenes will be nothing but cringe.
>>543394178him & swen came up with the bear sex scene though he's still a bad writer>>543393981gale gets coerced into sex and halsin either fucks tav in front of him at best or straight up rapes him at worse idk what they were thinking
>>543394751Where's the hatred towards Swen then
>>543394815swen's fine but he keeps hiring fucking idiots & porn addicts
>>543394751Welch clearly hates Gale. There's another line in the brothel where you can call him a boring lay.
>>543394990you can also kick ascended astarion in the balls she always lets you bully characters that she dislikes
welch prob sees shart as the boring straight man romance option and put those brothel lines in there just to troll btw
>>543395403Kinda based of her then. She mindbroke thousands.
>>543395403she's forgiven because she wrote dark urge
>>543395571she mindbroke all the ascended sisters too
>>543393817I guess for a second or third go around it's acceptable, But if it's your first go, that's hella annoying. And I'm honestly confused that it's not in the main game. Like I said: in regular D&D, anyone in your party can contribute. In BG3, if you run into the dog, and you don't happen to be controlling your character that speaks to animals: welp, fuck you I guess. Lmao.
>>543396075hey, I know and I agree with you that's why i tried to help with the modits, well, not intuitive in a otherwise very sensible and role playing friendly game
ABSOLUTE TONAL SHIFT INCOMING!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJrh-ir_lYthe first conversation after ascending him, honestly one of my favorite scenes, quality writing and one of neil's best performances. extremely chilling and creepy, very well done. Rooney wrote this>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rVu9hIXUcwelch's scene, long rest immediately after ascended him if romanced. notice how much more objectifying and negative the tav dialogues are. in-universe this is probably 2 hours after the ritual. nigga hasn't even done anything yet except act weird and now you're calling him cazador. (someone you've interacted with and the abuser of the person you're talking to) it's only the single most offensive thing you can say to him, ascended or not. the anti-ascended crowd love to point out how he lashes out at you as if he wouldn't crash out if you said something like that to his spawn-self. BTW if you want to continue the ascended romance you MUST play out welch's interpretation, no other options. this is NOT a roleplay game, this is welch's game hurr durrEVIL characters????? noooooo you ascended him because you couldn't see him for what he is and kink reasons which is totally fine in fantasy, but means you failed to see him
>>543396465>(someone you've interacted withmeant to put never in there i didn't proofread this lol
I fucking hate that I can't really experience this game again after playing through it a few times.>>543396075You're absolutely right, and this was always one of the core complaints about the entire system.
>>543396465AnalySIS...I still ignore whatever Welch said. Astarion deserves everything.
>>543396819reminder that the astarion thrusts are untainted :))))(she didn't know about the sex scene until the game's release hahahahahaha)
>>543396939Did it piss her off. Or did she use it to back up her claims that AA is for kinky reasons only.
For me it's the narrator
need some shirtless pics as a palette cleanser UGH I HATE THAT BITCH so glad she's gone from larian
wonder why the mintharaschizo doesn't post dead bodies of astarion
>>543397216she sounded more confused than anything lolso i guess yeah bc she was prob like THE SCENE DIDN'T GO EXACTLY TO MY VISION MY MORALS MY AGENDA REEEEEEEEEE
>>543397417Because I hate Mintharafag
>>543397806no one likes him there's a reason shadowheart left him
>>543397490Based FUCK welch
>>543396369Oh sorry. I didn't mean to come off like I was complaining about you at all. Just a minor frustration with a game that's otherwise pretty amazing. >>543396791Kinda sad knowing that with the subclasses patch being "the last big patch" outside of bugfixes, this is probably something that will never get implemented. It's nice that if your party member has a castable buff, they let you activate that in-dialogue, but when there's a strength check, why can't I send in Karlach? I actually remember a similar situation from my first time playing: In the goblin camp you meet this torturer doing a masochism thing. Now my Sorcerer player character was not the type to go for it, and I was actually slightly annoyed that I couldn't send karlach in, without re-starting and beginning the whole dialogue with her. Meh.
>>543398201I completely understand why they did it this way. They'd have to rework the entire logic behind conversations and add a novel worth of dialogue. It's not something you can patch with a quick fix.
>>543397984Toadcel likes him and one of the schizos
>>543392024No problem. I don't use any mods (yet) so others must know better what's available on the market. This mod seems to get your party's highest Ability and skill scores and makes up the gap between that and the MC by hand-made spells and buffs. Shouldn't be thar hard to replicate.>But how do people who play a non-charisma class deal with this?My current character has 8 CHA. My go-to solution is Guidance's +1d4 to skill checks (if you don't have a Cleric there's an amulet in early Act 1) and a +1 Persuasion and Deception Ring (early Act2, conditional). Plus my Inpsiration rerolls are almost always at max. Failing checks in BG3 is no biggie most of the time, as a matter of fact it sometimes leads to "better" (or more interesting) outcomes than just passing it. It's the important checks that you want go a certain way that might hurt, but even then you have a few extra means (like Enhance Ability) to combat that.>even though you might have a high charisma companion in your party?I always use high CHA party members for trading and if the situation fits. Pic rel is from an end-of-Act 2 location where it was obvious that we'll have to speak to somebody who had dealings with devil. And who would be more suitable for this if not good a Warlock with first-hand experience? Note how half of my party is not in the screen, which also highlights an issue: BG3 sometimes treats your avatar as a party face even if you initiate a convo with another companion. This is mostly prevalent with cutscenes. So I had to ungroup my party and leave Tav outside of the room to be able to pull this off. Which means the this system is not 100% identical as if you played a CHA avatar yourself but the closest to it.
>>543395153she royally fucked up halsin too i m o. he's supposed to care about consent but he gets mad if you turn him down in the brothel and he tries to bum gale when he clearly doesnt want to participate. what in gods name was she thinking
>>543392687I'll make sure of it.
>>543399879Nere for me...
Welch is right that Astarion is better off in his spawn ending. Ascending strips you of what remaining humanity you had, making you into a monster. Nobody actually likes you after that, you live a soulless existence where you slowly become more cruel and less attached to yourself and others. It also paints a target on your back, and you're going to get an adventurer's stake in your heart if you cause too much trouble, which you are likely to do since you become egomaniacal. We've seen it in other adventure paths with other vampire lords.The spawn ending features him enjoying taking care of the other spawn like a leader figure, he discovers that he enjoys people liking and admiring him for real since he becomes a leader/folk hero, and he stays in touch with himself and others. He's not powerful, but he's human, and happy, and most of all: free.Which brings us to the crux of the issue: freedom. Astarion's motivation is freedom. He seeks power, because he sees that as a segue to freedom. He wants to ascend because then no one can boss him around, he's the boss. But part of his potential story arc is learning that ascending just locks you into being a vampire with all the traits and sins involved in that, and that true freedom is actually the spawn route, where he is not beholden to anyone and he's free to make his own decisions and he is not influenced by magical vampire-hood. He learns that you don't necessarily need to always seize power to be free, since you can just remove the things that were shackling you through other means. In the spawn case, he's free, has responsibilities he's proud of, and has friends. His life has meaning, unlike in the vampire route which is just hedonism.This dichotomy is effectively told trough his reactions and dialogue on both routes. But you still have people saying stuff like "but he has to hide from the sun", as if a superficial physical limitation is anything compared to the retaining of one's soul, and finding true freedom.
>>543400813she's right that spawn is better but her writing is an abomination
>>543398201its all good guy! nevermind, and we all agree with you, it should be a no brainer and it kinda becomes a major issue in a otherwise "kind of perfect" game when it comes to designing roleplaying experiences, so this disappointment resonates even louder>>543398468he likes them just to be a contarian little imp>>543399879not 'obsessed' per se, but Barcus should have been a companion since he stays with us for like, two major acts
>'Ouchie, right in my funny bone!'what did Welch mean when she wrote this iconic Godey line?
>>543399879we love sazza
>>543400813While the spawn ending for Astarion in Baldur's Gate 3 might seem like a cozy fairy tale of redemption and folksy heroism, it actually condemns him to eternal weakness and half-freedom, forever skulking in shadows and babysitting a horde of feral spawn who could turn on him or ravage the city. Ascending him grants true liberation through unmatched power - he walks in the sun without fear, sheds his vulnerabilities, and becomes the vampire lord he was meant to be, reveling in hedonism and control that align with his core desires for dominance and security. Sure, he grows arrogant and cruel, but that's not losing humanity; it's evolving beyond the pathetic victimhood Cazador forced on him, turning the tables with revenge and eternal strength. In ascension, he's not soulless - he's ecstatic, healthy, and bonded to a consort who embraces his darkness, free from anyone bossing him around ever again.The spawn route? It's a sad compromise where he's still shackled by sunlight and hunger, pretending responsibility equals happiness while adventurers hunt him as a mere pest. Power isn't a trap; it's the key to real freedom, and dismissing ascension as monstrous ignores how it fulfills his arc of seizing control over his fate, sun be damned.
>>543401045he likes Mintharatranny because they both hate Shadowheart
>>543399879Sazza is hilarious.Araj is also hilarious. Her epilogue letter legitimately made me laugh, as did her antics in act 3.Can't forget Barcus.
>>543394248>>543394178>>543394475didn't we already know this? she's the reason poly is in the game to begin with. she worked heavily on sex content in act 3. how are anons here just now finding out she wrote the brothel too?
>>543401938She also wrote some very interesting age gap fanfiction
>>543402091no wonder she likes shart with halsin so much kek
>>543401938imagine how cringe a love triangle written by larian would be
>>543401938Apparently not because Shartie and Namefag always blame John for ruining Shart.
who should I blame for ruining wyll
>>543403224The Early Access feedback
Misinformation is being spread.First of all, the stuff between Shart and Halsin is featured in multiple ambient dialogues and camp scenes as well. Them having the hots for each other is established on three separate occasions, only one of which is the brothel. John write his two characters to have the hots for each other, and reinforced that idea multiple times. You can't say "It was Welch!" for all of them.Secondly, the idea that an author of a character just stands up and walks away while another writer sits down and handles one scene is not how character writing on a project works. Welch proposed various things because she had ideas about what she wants the characters to feature, and those ideas are processed and collaborated on with the character's primary writers. Some of the primary character writers, such and for Minthara and Lae'zel, firmly said no, their character is not going to do that. And they got that. A primary character writer can put their foot down and veto the collaborative character writer's idea. John chose not to do that, and chose to collaborate on the brothel scene. Because he had already established a mutual attraction between his two characters elsewhere anyway. So the idea that Welch just took over the cast as soon as they walked through the door of the brothel is asinine and not how anything works.
>>543403516Here we go again
>>543403516they're going to post that tweet of kevin saying someone else wrote a scene to try to prove what they're saying but you are 100% correct. all writing is collaboration and welch was the newbie in the room who doesn't even work there anymore already
>"He spent another night awake talking about that half-elf slob; what a stupid jaluk, I never should have let him use my name"
>>543403224I can't imagine a version of Wyll I'd care about that isn't completely different one way or another.
g-guys is he going to spend all day long seething over shadowbaby?
>>543404007>all dayIt's been years
>>543403991Minthara would hate him trve
>>543403991I believe that, canonically, Minthara has killed for far less
The funny thing is I've romanced Shadowheart many times, and never been cheated on or cucked once. It's entirely made up.
>>543404703As I understand it, you basically have to do a prostitute tour with her with Halsin in the party or something, which sounds unappealing for a variety of reasons. You can't really trust someone with a fetish for humiliating themselves to talk about stuff in good faith, so I don't really pay close attention.
Can the Halsin goodberry posters come out
>>543398462Rework? Maybe. new dialogue? None. The way I'm imagining it is as follows: When you have any type of skill check in a dialogue, instead of using the stats of the character who initiated the dialogue, it uses the highest applicable stat of whoever is in the party (and part of the conversation). Or mark it in the dialogue options: instead of option 3 being [Arcana] "try to uncover the magic" make it {Gale} [Arcana] "try to uncover the magic".You wouldn't really have to write any new dialogue at all. You just sub in companions where it fits, and where it's not an origin character specific dialogue, there's no VA anyway.
>>543403991lmaoMinthara would absolutely shit on John for pairing his two characters together and doing the dollies kissing game with them regardless of player input. She would approve of the Lazy+Shart shipping though. She would say that Lazy is a good influence on her and will help her find her identity and some backbone.Minthara would approve of people who are passionate and put effort into creating real discussion, and she would execute all of the post-ironic dishonest shitposters who contribute absolutely nothing and drag the thread down on purpose.
>>543403991Minthara would unironically never give the time of the day to someone sad enough to cry about video game characters she'd call him a slur and go back to simping for shadowheart
>>543405212Do you understand that video game characters are not real people. Here's the non-character killing the evil school shooter chud btw. Wyll Ravengard would allow evil to win.
>>543405625NEVER shit its over
Minthara is unironically for Durge tho?
If Mintharafag hates shitposting so much why doesn't he join a safe space forum where you get banned for being mean or toxic. Reddit even?Is because he can't openly shit on Shadowheart for hours on it without backlash?
>>543405913Minthara is barely a character. She's just a consolation prize for evil runs that they eventually made accessible to everyone because it would have been a waste.
>>543406093trvke
>>543405625>she relaxed
Is there any actual reason why I can't convert Warlock spell slots into Sorcery points without first using up all of my same level normal spell slots? Additionally, is there any reason I shouldn't be able to cast level 3 Sorcerer/other caster spells with level 3 Warlock spell slots if I still have normal level 3 spell slots remaining?
>>543405048It was my intuition that you can't just flip a switch and make it work, and I investigated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqmFYDoTUc&t=1072sLarian tried to implement it, but it became untenable due to the math alone. I'm pretty sure this includes needing dialogue if we're talking about making not making it a complete jankfest.For better or for worse, Larian is concerned with making everything cinematic, which also has an impact. Not only do you need to consider dialogue, but animations. There's a certain level of jank in you doing the animation if Shadowheart did the skill check.Basically, rework is ABSOLUTELY needed if you'd ever implement it, even if you kept it as a jankfest. To fix minor continuity issues, you'd need to switch the person driving the dialogue on the fly, which would make it even more of a jankfest than just having the wrong person do the animations.
>>543408103 (me)I think a key note here is that Larian didn't just make it a single player game. It's a consideration here. Everything is simplified if you just have 1 guy taking charge of the conversation.
>>543408103Well, he's the developer, i'm not gonna tell him he's wrong. I just hoped there would be a simple-ish way of doing it. Hell, I'd be happy with having "party stats" considered instead of player stats.But like I said, it's just gonna be a thing that slightly annoys me forever, that if I play a specific class, I can either fuck up the dialogue for the entire party by making that character the "face" of the party, while Wyll or Gale stand behind me screaming: "LET ME DO THE TALKING, AAAAAAAAAH!", or do the annoying thing of switching to one of them for dialogues.
not a single cringe line btw
>>543409453I agree with this. It would've been such a good feature. The short story is that people wanted it, Larian listened, they tried, they failed. There would probably have been a way to make it work, but I'm guessing it's a case of prioritization more than anything. It's a lot of work for something small, no matter how much people want that feature.
>>543410034Tavara? I should look for Minthara/Shaddy art.
>>543403516>John chose not to do that, and chose to collaborate on the brothel scene. Because he had already established a mutual attraction between his two characters elsewhere anyway.How can you even know if it happened this way? Welch got poly added. Many of the lines in the brothel are over-the-top and goofy. She said herself that before she came into Larian, you would chose one romance option and it would be like that for the rest of the game. All of your post is conjecture with little basis, but you're presenting it as correcting the record.
>>543410851Stop arguing with yourself
>>543410851>How can you even know if it happened this waywhat does past tense mean? what does once or twice or more than that mean? that's the established mutual attraction
>>543411129That's a Welch brothel line. You missed the point entirely
the anons calling welch a low level newbie intern are lying btw. she was in a high level writing position. she wrote the concept for karlach's character, did the dark urge, wrote on astarion, did a lot of the romance scenes, etc
>>543411626>sharters lyingin other news water wet
>>543411734no the liar is here >>543403919its someone who likes mintharafag so definitely not a shartie
>>543410851what he said is entirely correct and already answers your question. shart and halsin flirt with each other in places other than brothel, and writers are involved in their characters even while collaborating with other writers for certain scenes and can say no like some of them did. what he said doesn't need further explanation
>>543411982>shart and halsin flirt with each other in places other than brothelcorrect. the hand comment in the shadowlands for example
You just want him to sperg out forever
>>543412096Of all the tools I've deployed against Liarian shills, he has always been the most effective.
>>543411982Mintharafag said Corcoran "established attraction between his characters already". Halsin was added as a companion at the end of development. Welch may have written her own lines and then John came in after her. Hard to say. I don't know who the poly camp scene was written by either. Astarion's seems like it was written by Welch.
>>543412448>Mintharafag saidHow's that a fucking recommendation?
>>543412691He has fanboys
>>543412691I'm saying what he said there is conjecture. He's assuming Corcoran made his characters haves the hots for each other before Welch got in there but that very well may not be the case. Welch got poly added after all and worked extensively on that content AND the brothel. Are these ESL hours?
If only we had a certain knowledgeable swine to speak on matters of cringe.>When Sharran Shadowheart kills her parents, it is revealed that Shar's curse has plagiarized the souls of the Hallowleaf couple.>Dear Mintharafag, there is no language barrier Yeah.>>543391710That's just a poetic line, nothing cringe about it. Though it is expected that the post-irony shitposter is incapable of appreciating sincerity and views flowery prose as nothing more than empty theatrics - which is reminiscent of the pig likening roleplaying to "going on stage and playing an actor." The post-irony shitposter prefers irreverence to earnestness, the quips of The Veilguard to the somberness of Elden Ring. When nothing is taken seriously, nothing can be cringe.
>>543412691you are genuinely fucking stupid
>>543411626>she wrote dogshitwhat's new?
Here's some real information. Minthara would fuck anyone for more power.
>>543414287in game proof?
>>543412448>Welch may have...>Hard to say...>I don't know...>seems like...Well, this was an informative post. I remain unconvinced. On one hand, we have the reality of an industry standard, where writing characters is a collaborative process by nature. On the other hand, we have this dubious suggestion that Welch, a Larian newcomer, would waltz into said collaborative writing team and take it from there, pushing more senior writers aside. But you're right. We just don't know what happened behind the scenes.
>>543414391Yes
none so it didn't happen got itwhat we do have is in game proof of being a WHOREisn't that just thought provoking
>>543413754Don't be racist here. It's not acceptable.
BG3 set the bar too highThere isnt another game that has the amount of gameplay, choices, coom, and voiced acting as BG3
>>543415109TRVE
>>543415087I went out of my way to not say the N word retard, wtf are you talking about
>>543414715Now you're misconstruing. She didn't totally usurp their positions, but she wrote plenty of her own dialogue. She got them on board with a lot of her ideas. There's an interview posted in this very thread that shows poly was her own idea. She wrote the brothel and did a lot of lines on the romances, poly included. Her Astarion lines are joked about all the time in this general.
>>543415109There are probably 10+ better RPGs just in the last five years.
>>543417008
oh lol
>>543417367meant for >>543417632
>>543413420>writes all cringe astarion lines>writes all cringe durge lines>makes gale get humiliated and possibly abused for the lols>makes halsin a pushy weirdo who takes gale's booty for the lols>makes shart super into group sex and halsin for the lolsis there anything this woman can't do. i think the rest were left alone since welch only fetishsizes the white characters
>>543417632>Laezel on Wyll's cock>Shaddy with Big HThe waifufags aren't going to like this
>>543417632Lazy... zhak vo'n'fynh duj... what are you doing with Wyll?...
>>543415425Am I misconstruing that you seem to be floating the idea that Welch may have been more involved than most people are aware of? How is such speculation helpful in any manner? Maybe Welch, as the subhuman swine once suggested, has a deeply troubled relationship with their parents. Maybe that's why they wrote Astarion and Karlach to be former slaves, abused and traumatized by their parental figures.>All parental figures and surrogates in this game are awful>like a telling tale of the writers' relationships with their parents...weird.Maybe the pig is just mind-bogglingly stupid. Who's to say, right?>There's an interview posted in this very thread that shows poly was her own idea. This is misleading. I'll address the relevant part.>“It used to be set up so that the only way that romances could begin was this one night in the party, where you could only pick one character,” Welch says, “And then basically, that character would end up being your love interest for the whole rest of the game.”This aligns with what we already know and have experienced in-game, that you can start a romance at the tiefling party (or outside), while also showing interest in another companion in Act 1. You are not locked into a romance until Act 2, where you'll have to choose if you have two competing romantic interests. There are "dating" and "partnered" flags in the code for this reason. This is what is meant by "love triangles" and has nothing to do with poly content. Did you speedread that part, or are you simply being dishonest?
Nobody seems to actually like the game, they just hate it for different reasons. I think that's interesting.
>>543418212I like the game and Astarion
>>543418075>Welch wished players could experience love triangles and multiple partners>AND multiple partners
froggas like the game
>>543418212I like it quite a bit. I'm just not going to write an essay about it, and I'd rather not feed one of those things.
Missionary with the House of Healing sisters
>>543418421This is the interviewer's wording. In context, it only seems to be that Welch suggested expanding the romance system that would previously lock you into a romance as early as Act 1. You can "date" two companions until Act 2, but no one honest is going to paint that as poly content.
>>543418841They are rotting corpses
upper city dlc when
>>543419745I'd rather have a postgame hell adventure
>>543418952No, it connects. Do you think it'd make sense for them to write poly in act 3 if you were only able to select one romantic option in the whole game prior to that?
>>543419745i'd rather have a postgame astral adventure (locked behind lae'zel romance of course)
>>543420591It's about loyal Lae'zel traveling to Tu'narath to ascend.
>>543419046just like this game
welch said halsin is literally a walking shitpost. yall need to get a sense of humor. her astarion lines suck but some of her stuff is funny
>>543420229Sure, since the poly content is limited to involving the sex pest. At which point we're back to playing the pointless blame game, since Welch didn't write the sex pest. In the context of the interview, the only definitive thing we know for sure is that Welch suggested that initiating the romance scene at the tiefling party would not lock you into a romance. Everything else is speculation noise and pointless maybes.
>>543420162I don't give a fuck about karlach
>>543421120>since Welch didn't write the sex pestShe wrote the brothel and some unknown amount of romance content. When people call Halsin a sexpest, it's the brothel they tend to refer to.
>>543421203I don't really either, but it feels like a natural place for characters to end up together in the future without stepping on the toes of other endings. Even a Lae'zel fighting a war could have reason to be there.
John has been exonerated. Now Sharties see Astarionsisters hate Welch.
>astarion tries to bite me out of nowhere>tee-hee it's ok>try to get astarion to bite olaj>NOOO THAT'S SEXUAL ASSAULTnigga fuck off
>auto-select food81/80
>>543422627its different because araj has aids
if we're on the topic of welch, on her website she says most of her writing was on dark urge, post ea astarion, and companion romances. she sometimes got tasked to write on non-romance companion contentshe said the bear scene was originally her idea too
>>543422627Well whatever. Call it rape if you want, but I'm going to make him do it every run anyway because I'm not turning down 2 free strength
>>543422736so do i
>>543422627Her blood is aids and you are forcing him to do something he doesn't want to do
>>543422925unfortunately for him he tried to force himself on me and now he's going to drink aids blood
>>543423093You are treating like how Cazador does, shameful!
>>543423336shame, maybe he shouldn't have tried becoming like Cazador by forcing himself on the unwillingoh well
lol wait a minute >>543422627It is hypocritical, but it's also good writing because the character is written to be a hypocrite. He's expressing his newfound freedom, and one of the first things he does is assault someone at night for their blood. Then later on, he cites expressing his newfound freedom as the reason he doesn't want to bite Araj; he's tired of using himself to manipulate or please others, and wants to control his own sexuality for a change. It is directly hypocritical, but it's also coherent within the character's story.Astarion is one of the best written characters because of stuff like this.
>>543421538Not really. The sex pest is a sex pest because it used to lightheartedly recount a time when it was a drow sex captive - in a game where we have Astarion as a survivor and the matter is treated with gravitas and not a punchline. I think it may be the only bit that was re-written post-release because of backlash, and that says a lot. The sex pest is a sex pest because it tries to insert itself into your relationship, because it follows you not out of duty but to get into your pants, because it admits avoiding committed relationships (it's just not the hippie way). This is how the "character" is written and we're not going to blame Welch for that one.
the dumbest virgin autist you know is going to tell you all about sexuality
Y'all should be wyllsexual
>>543424763But he has a BA in psychology
What he said is true. bitching and pissing yourself because someone you don't like said something regardless of whether they're right is called derangement syndrome which is what you accuse him of having. food for thought
Patch 9 soon!
>>543425321He's never going to respond to you, nor fuck you
>watch funniest gale moments video>watch funniest astarion moment video>watch funniest lae'zel moment video>watch funniest shadowheart moment video>somehow can't find funniest Wyll moments videowhy is thatWhy is that
>>543425828Racist arseholes
>>543425828they're masculine, being 'funny' is feminine
>Y'allDo not forget yourself, Aradin.
>>543425828Wyll's not funny
asked to kiss shart after talking to aylin and she said yes
>>543426473froggo punch
>>543425321I sometimes fan the flames by saying something I know is wrong so Mintharafag will correct me and then I pretend to complain that Mintharafag is talking about shart again. I do this on a regular basis. It's become a habit
I never remember to use the gith ability after long rest.
>>543427241What does this have to do with your image.
I made a shit build and I'm too lazy to respec
>>5434275585e "builds" don't exactly take long to work out. It would take you a few minutes and 100 gold.
>>543418212Mintharafag seems to like the game - otherwise, they wouldn't have sunk over 2000 hours in it or posted over 7000 times here. The Shadowfag seems to like the game - they always talk about the characters and post timely (and funny) screenshots. The Frog posters and the Astarion sisters seem to like the game - in their own way. (Cute Frog. Missionary with Astarion over his grave.) The wife anon seems to like the game, to the extent that it gave him a beautiful wife, whose name and personality we'll sadly never learn. Untitled anon seems to like the game. We are thankful for their screenshots, including this one. /bgg/ wouldn't have existed for two years if people here didn't love the game. And though it might be a shadow of its former self, there is still light to be found - because you can't cast a shadow without some light.
the single most reddit line in the entire game is the one from the wild magic sorcerer having a cow named stephanieSecond is from astarion going "we're a hecking group of weirdos y'all!"
>>543363847>Astarion, Gale, Wyll>dudebrosThey're all bi and the non-buff body types, with 8 STR.
>>543429023The normal male body is too twinkish in general.
>>543428059most of those people don't even exist
>>543424078astarion in the resist durge scene when you try to bite him while restrained:>ah ah ah we ask before we bitehis hypocritical moments add to his dumbass charm i love him so much
>>543429782On the contrary, I think BT3/4 are too ridiculously big, with lumbering animations. Only Minsc and Half-Orcs make it work.
kiinda wanna do a run when whenever someone insults me I kill them
>>543428059Are you a real person or bot
>>543428562Astarion was completely right there
>>543429023Kings
>>543431825Most modern day anons are functionally meat bots.
The narrator called me a tart for getting Booal's blessing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-GDJDUD6B4
>>543437158wtf is wrong with her face
>>543400813spawn ending is objectively the correct ending but the beauty of branching narrative is being able to experience several different versions of a character's potential that you otherwise would never get to see in normal storytelling. AA is still Astarion, he didn't magically morph into a new character. the twistedness and darkness and cruelty are all things that were tucked away and buried beneath the facade he's made. The idea that my sweet pookie bear is capable of such awfulness is interesting to me. how a single person can end up so drastically different given their environment and choices. If anything I love the AA path just because it provides more insight into his character. I want all the Astarion content. I want all I can know about his psyche, good, bad, sad, gimme all of it.but once again FUCK WELCH for inserting herself into the story being told by explaining what the endings mean (and sprinkling in her moral superiority into what should be left to the players to decide). A degree of separation should be maintained between the creator and the work to an extent. imagine if neil or stephen rooney told everyone what Astarion's original eye color was. all discussions about that would be killed and there'd be less astarion to discuss. (based on character creator I like purple, gold looks nice as well, blue or green are the most popular choices tho)blah blah blah death of the writer and all that, think about what fanfiction would be like if all writers swooped in and explained their work instead of leaving it to the audience to interpret and feel for themselves. there would be no point of writing fanficI love seeing people's interpretations of AA. all sorts of flavors of him exist, from creepy/controlling to soft/protective. mastermind to pure dumbassery. I love Astarion btw
>>543437816but ULTIMATELY the correct ending is the one that's true to (You). yes even staking him (you should still kill youself though)
>>543437816>imagine if neil or stephen rooney told everyone what Astarion's original eye color wasi don't see anything wrong with this. its just a physical trait and its kinda odd astarion doesn't remember. that being said it was probably blue or green since he looks like a moon elf. you're right about her inserting her own opinions in the actual narrative tho
>>543438559it's a hot topic of discussion in astarion circles lol, it's not deep it's just fun. wouldn't mind in a few years if one of them said though. thinking it's most likely blue as a homage to neil
Why doesn't Astarion have any blood relatives that we can meet in game? Elves live a long ass time. I don't remember him saying they were all dead like Karlach and her parents
>>543437816I fantasize about both spawn and ascendant Astarion. I don't know why people think you cannot like both.
>>543439610there's an origin line when you talk to the mirror in act 1 that's something along the line of "I'd like to see my real home, the one I haven't seen in centuries" so maybe he moved to baldur's gate to go to law school and his family still lives wherever he came from.>>543439745imagine locking yourself out of 50% of astarion content loll couldn't be me
Would you ever give an orc woman a chance?
>>543440903yeah but Karlach took the muscle mommy slot
>>543437816>AA is still Astarion, he didn't magically morph into a new character. That's a surprisingly bold statement to make, even though it might not seem so at first glance. Of course, Ascendant Astarion is still Astarion, in the same vein that Chosen of Shar Shadowheart is still Shadowheart - only perhaps not the version most who care about the character prefer. But how much of Astarion's most negative traits can you amplify before the man you once knew is gone? We soon arrive at a classic Ship of Theseus problem. And we're not talking about some gradual change that happens with time and age, but a sudden transfiguration - with a paltry moral price of damning seven thousand souls. That should weigh on Ascendant Astarion's conscience, if he still had one.>>543439745Because you don't see people say they like both Selûneheart and Sharranheart. You have to pick one.
>>543441885you know, Karlach should've been a half-orc...
>>543442670I thought Sharranheart had no appeal besides the sex scene. AA you can see as your toxic yandere bf, while Sharranheart you are second to Shar forever... right?
>>543324427smugfrog
>>543442670people blame the ritual because it's easier to do than accept that Astarion is capable of truly horrible things deep within
>>543442670>>543444154this. he's ontologically evil
>>543444154He is neutral evil and has always been power hungry. They are dumb.
>>543444154Giving excuses for hot evil people is a story as old as time.It's a thing for both genders too. only difference is that guys usually want to fix the villainess for real while girls wants the guy to settle into being a tame psychopath.
Didn't Gale have a true resurrection scroll lying around? I'm pretty sure that could heal being a vampire spawn for 200 years, and it's not like he needs it after everything is said and done
>>543444398this is where I disagree. he is capable of being good, he just needs time and healing and preferably a loving and patient tav. just look at him in the epilogue (spawn version obviously) and compare him to where he started in act 1
>>543443263using the brain to enslave shart is a lot funnier if she's sworn to shar. otherwise i guess its good tragedykino
>>543442670>Because you don't see people say they like both Selûneheart and Sharranheart. You have to pick one.Not true, if you go with Seluneheart and then take her clothes off you'll see her pussy is still Sharran, she'll always have a little bit of Shar in her, but the reverse isn't true, so a player who selects Seluneheart will basically have both.
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
thoughts on playing rogue trader after bg3?
>>543449461Did you want her to dye her pubes
>>543452291I really dislike parts of it, and it had some absurdly long load times for reasons I don't understand, but it's not like there's a lot of RPGs to pick from.
>>543452291better than WOTR. but the shit slav jank engine means it takes up almost double the computing resources and manages to look four times as bad. unlike bg3 it isn't an open world game, massive loading screen between areas, a lot of shitmobs to clear. questionable decisions to half voice so its extremely jarring when they'll speak one sentence and expect you to read the rest
>>543452291Its good but not bg3's level. It falls apart mid game
>>543452291the companions are tolerable but none of them reach the wow cute frog! phase
>>543453776biggest fear for space game is this
it's funny how literally nobody would have given a shit about laezel if she were male
male'zel would be the biggest bro tho
>>543454671>ugly gremlin telling you how much he wants to lick your sweat literally 30 minutes after you start the tutorialI'll pass
>>543454767a woman would be into that
>>543454767Laezel the sexpest
>>543453776I think the companions are one of the weaker parts of the game, but there's the benefit of them being much more easy to ignore. Only like 3 of them are even rogue trader classes. >>543454571Bros don't want to fuck you. Kind of works against all the BG3 male characters.
>>543454767gale?
>>543455078I mean nobody gives a shit about gale either...
>>543455019>when argenta starts on her spiel about a child being saved from death for the fifth time this hour
>>543454571none of the female companions would be as popular if they were male>shar cultist who reverts to selune and then becomes a beta male>cookie cutter barbarian, tiefling>cookie cutter githyanki, but flips to orpheus the moment he finds another creche>cookie cutter drow, lawfulexcept jaheira probably
>>543452784>a lot of shitmobs to clearthats one of my least favor things in bg3hated how many goddamn goblin fights there were in bg3 before your builds/team really opened upsounds like rogue trader is even worse in that area
>>543455947>shar cultist who reverts to selune and then becomes a beta male>cookie cutter barbarian, tiefling>cookie cutter drow, lawfulthese would be popular with women
The Chinese Room may be developing BG3 DLC
>>543457490are you sure about the beta part? both Wyll and Gale are already and they're less popular than Astarion
I get the lesbian part since Isobel is a totally hot piece of fuckmeatBut why is Aylin so......what's a nice way to put it....theatrical with her speech??!?
>>543457779both wyll & gale look like regular dudes you'd find anywhere they're unpopular because they look boring and their story is mid>>543457675lol
>>543457412The shitmobs go down easy and fastIn fact RT is quite easy in general once you get going>>543453776>Don't forget me, elantach
Parental Frog
>>543452291It's fun. The combat is over quickly, and the mechanics mean that the trash mobs are not a chore to clear.Lots of reading and talking to companions, and all the relevant 40k lore is explained in tooltips.The companions are likable but I wish they had a better game to live in.Much better with at least the first DLC, Void Shadows. That's completely integrated into the main game and well written. Second one, Lex Imperialis is also good but less interesting.
>>543459032left that bitch in comorragh
>>543457412If you feel that way you're probably better off avoiding RT. The fights are easy, but there's a shit ton of them.
>>543459445i didnt mind the shitter fights as much after reaching lvl5/6it was just REALLY irritating early on when you had limited tools/actions (and i didnt fully get the combat at first) but had to watch 10 goblins running up and down ladders
>>543457412>>543459445>The fights are easy, but there's a shit ton of them.Well not really. I mean how many fights are there in chapter one really? Take Cassia's stationThe one in the library, then the one at the end. In between you're just poking around reading notes and computer terminalsThen the prison asteroid has two fights in the cells, then the third final one.I can't remember how many there are on the capital planet in that system but it's less than tenThen Yrliet's planet has two/three fightsIt's more like there are big setpiece fights with a lot of exploring in between and investigatingIt's not like trash mob after trash mob
>>543459640>had to watch 10 goblins running up and down laddersNo RT isn't like that at all
>>543452291Better story and more interesting world than bg3Much lower production valueGreat OST
>>543459942?
>>543459231she is incredible
>>543459801if you're a new player and run out of navigator points every perilous space travel has a shitmob encounter
>>543461354and this woman is who exactly? or are you just mad she's your average looking middle aged wh*te woman
>>543452784bg3 aint open world, retard.
>>543461181Well you don't have situations where you are just sitting there without the right action to handle the mobs>>543461306That is true actually. But if you spend 1 nav point to get the path down to yellow you won't get a shitmob fight, only a text event. And you won't be short on nav points until you gain a few levels, and it seemed that low level shitfights are what bothered anon.
>>543461434>and this woman is who exactly?Larian Studios's new storytelling lead, can't you read
>>543461890>reddit humor
>>543461510it's open worlds
>>543461306You get a navigator point every time you explore a new system. I can't imagine running out until you've explored most of the map, even if you're spending them to make routes safe. By that point you'll be taking out the intruders with burstfire in a single turn
>>543461354writers aren't paid to look good my expectations are so low when it comes to larian writing wise that I'd take anyone that wont post their bellies on bluesky like laezel's writer I still don't know why they keep hiring game journalists as fucking writers
>>543461510and yet it feels like one with how little loading screens there are unlike in RT>>543461574>>543462162as a new player you would not know at all. RT suffers the same problem WOTR does which is the notadventuring parts are fucking bad and drags down the experience
>>543461958But enough about Baldur's gate 3
man i just want voiced dialog like bg3it sounds like rt is missing a lot of thosebut their next game dark heresy will be fully voiced apparently?
>>543462249>as a new player you would not know at alBut you don't need to. You just don't get a situation where you're running out of nav point until way down the line, if ever. >arrive in system>to do anything at all, you have to scan it>receive nav pointand spending those points to make routes safe is well explained. And you get top ups of nav points from random events.>RT suffers the same problem WOTRAt least RT is turn based, not real-time-with-cringe like WotR
it has to be said that the incredibly low amount of loading screens make BG3 GOTC just like Dark Souls 1
>>543462478>it sounds like rt is missing a lot of thoseYeah, and what there is is strangely laid out. People rambling on about their backstory or lore info is voiced, by important character moments are only sometimes voiced. The voice acting is good though.>but their next game dark heresy will be fully voiced apparently?Yeah apparently so.
>>543462785they gave gnomes no ass whatsoever no wonder no one plays them
>>543462478>but their next game dark heresy will be fully voiced apparently?gonna kill the game if I'm honest
not an immersive sim :)
>swen in early 2024>I don't think we'll make a game as big as bg3 nor will we expand the studio for a long time now that we're making two games at once we gotta set our expectations slightly lower to polish our future games as much as possible>swen in 2025: ok we're making two games as big as bg3, hired 100 people in a year and still expanding the studio to this day
>>543463246Imagine being a VA and having to read out page after page of bloated Owlcat shit, all by yourself, no other actors to react to.
I can't play BG3 without face uplift mods
>>543463325
>>543463519chad>>543463325chud
>>543463246It could force them to stick to the point. And with an actor in the loop for all the dialogue, it could help with character personality consistency>looking at you yrliet
Does the Blessing of Selune condition that you get from Isobel provides "enough" Necrotic Resistance in Moonrise? Remember that it only applies to damage from magical sources.
>>543463651>with an actor in the loop for all the dialogue, it could help with character personality consistencydidnt work for baldurs gate 3
^the brothel scene got this guy
that's kinda godlike not gonna lie
>>543463313>wen in 2025: ok we're mswen is a terrible manager. the only thing special about these games is the engine and even then it has some huge weaknesses such as lackluster cosmetic character creation compared to other wrpgs.
>>543464419it sucks compared to AAA WRPGs, it's far far better than the average iso CRPG, just compare dos1 to dos2 to bg3, larian's engine keeps getting better and better
>>543464579nah, even low budget greedfall 2 has actual sliders. no excuse for especially since people were asking for it since the start of the three year early access period.
shaddap
character creation is literally the lowest priority lmao
>>543463519delet this
>>543464827I wouldn't go that far half of the reason bg3 did so well was because of its character creation & cinematics people go crazy over their tav
>>543464408crazy what a marketing budget and some third worlders in a call center can do to a system with no oversight or transparency sure hope manipulating stuff like this isnt a criminal act in belgium or somebody might be in a spot of trouble...
Is there a mod to stop Shart cheating on you with that bear?
>>543465424>>543465307
>>543465516I'll take that as a "no"
>Ettiquette: /bgg/ regularEverything seems okay and normal actually
>>543464827most mods are character creation, so no. stop coping.
>>543463325oh my Lord, already on my knees
>>543466354
>>543466348i literally click randomize until one comes up ok
>>543464827Gooooood morning sir
>>543466704The sort of person I would have called a faggot back in the day. And I'll call you a faggot now.
>>543466409too short to notice, I didn't even bother to take him into my undead army
i'm not even kidding i click randomize a bunch of times and click go
You should be playing Madden or something on your android phone.
>>543463812Bump.>>543467694Does this bother you as you feel he gives up an important part of character customization and thus hurts his role-playing experience?
>>543463812nah ketheric & godey's cousins bypass it
I have over 900 hours in the game and just found out about the Holy Lance Helm
>>543471174It took me a long time, but not that long
>>543459390I don't see why yrliet is so asshurt all the timeIf an ape thought I was cute I'd find it funny rather than get mad
>>543472059Never saw a reason to explore that area. Only reason I found it was because the eagles knocked me over there
>>543470740Claw attacks from cannon fodder don't scare me. For once I wanted to make good use of elixirs and what's a proper opportunity if not an assault? It's just I'm short of Necrotic Resistance ones and I'd prefer others (Bloodlust, Heroism, Vigilance etc.) above them anyway. I've never fought Ketheric before so I don't know what to expect, but saving the Necrotic elixirs there sounds like a plan. However I also have Selune's Blessing already and since I assume most shit doing Necrotic damage is of magical origin that should give a good all-around protection already.>>543471174It's useful as an extra source of Radiant damage to trigger all the Orb and potentially Reverbation gears but the Adamantine Shield elevates it even further. It's Reeling effect could send anybody who misses once into a loop (not to mention provide Prone knockdown almost on demand), which means Holy Lance gets triggered more often and once it does so are the Orbs and whatnot. All that without using an Action. Shart is a great candidate as you can safely have her at 19-20 AC with minimal investment at that point (and that's without Blur and such) and she can wear Medium Armor from the get go.
>>543457814It's probably supposed to represent old-fashioned style from 1000 years ago because she's immortal.
what does drow pussy taste like
>>543474284goblin cum
>>543473768ONE monkey finds you cute. All of its friends are constantly screaming and throwing shit at you
Dare I ask what a nightfall feast is?
>>543474284Ask Ed Greenwood, he's already confirmed the breastmilk.
>>543475697Nightfall celebrated the coming of darkness. The ritual usually consisted of invocations and occasionally Shar communicated with her followers either through one of her clergy or lay worshiper, who had to be a woman with black hair. Dancing, eating and drinking were also part of the ritual.[1]Nightfall was held every night. The faithful of Shar were required to perform this ritual once per tenday, althought a worshiper was permitted to dance to Shar in private. Additionaly, the clergy of Shar were required to commit an act of wickedness every tenday in Her name.[1][2][3]Coming of the Lady was the name given to Nightfall when it coincided with moonless nights. This special ritual required the congregation of Shar to commit a significant act of retribution or depravity in Shar's name.
What was the name of that Baldur's Gate 3 mod that removed all the black people?
>>543477241Better aesthetics
>>543477241Baldur's Better Aesthetics - Even Whiter? I'm not sure if it removes literally all black people but it certainly makes the world much more lore accurate than the default CaliFaerûnia.
>highimpactviolence.gif
>>543475987I always figured that the nightfall feast involves cannibalism since the characters are revolted by it.
>>543473768Ugh you just don't get it elantachImagine, if you can, TOUCHING an animal, stroking its furRevolting, I'm sure you'll agree
>>543452291It's the other best contemporary crpg, so you may as well. It has good music, a fun setting, a likeable cast, and the gameplay is solid if a bit easy. They're actually releasing a balance patch this year that will smooth things out concerning leveling, power spikes, and class/origin relative balance, so it will soon be a good time to play it, and I'm planning a replay for that time too. I highly recommend the dlc, they have excellent music and stories as well.The other game to play if you enjoyed bg3 is divinity original sin 2. Same developers on the same engine so you know what to expect, but it's their own system instead of dnd 5e so they got to play around with abilities and mechanics more. But it has good music, good graphics, similar story structure, and companion focus that people liked from bg3.
>>543472078personalfrog
>>543453776frog love!
>tfw it just occurred to me the wings on Marcus might have belonged to the Nightsong'Member the letter that Balthazar wrote to him? That you can find in Z'rell's study? It mentions an unwilling donor and how difficult it is to get wings like that. And the Nightsong was in regular human form when you first meet her. Pretty cool!
>>543489557There's a line conveying that Balt also harvested her tongue and other organs throughout her various regenerations over the years as well. Pretty messed up
what
>>543493552Frog sling swimsuit...
So what’s the deal with those minotaurs in the underdark?
>>543494239just don't like gates.
>>543452291I'd rather not, and that's why I never go to /crpgg/>>543494239Minotaurs are Underdark creatures, sometimes they manage to escape Labirynth
>have a bunch of companions with unique dialogue>can only take 3 with you>4 if you play an origin character yourselfIs there a way to make sure you don't miss out on unique dialogue options? I mean some stuff is obvious, if you're in frog territory take laezel, if there's shar/elune related take shadowheart, sure. But it's not always that obvious. Is there any way to tell besides just knowing the game?
>>543504257If a place has slavers (goblin camp, grymforge) there's usually Wyll stuff
>>543505057Oh, I never took Wyll to the goblin camp. To be honest, Wyll is maybe my most underused character. I don't dislike him or anything, but I tend to already play a caster, so I tend to bring Laezel and Karlach for pain (and Karlach because she is best girl), and then either shadow heart or astarion. Which leaves Halsin, Wyll and Gale pretty much entirely unused most of the time.
>>543504257>Is there a way to make sure you don't miss out on unique dialogue options?no.
>https://youtu.be/_W5eGFy8vMc?si=9RxjPBmdrXzj0n1vwe really needed more scenes like halsin's cut ultimatum, imagine telling astarion that you'll help him ascend and wyll telling you that he'll leave the camp if you do, he'd stay if you pass a check and attack you if you broke your promise we really needed way more camp drama & events
>>543465424>>543465516>>543466054fucking runners, who hired you
>>543504257Honestly? No, besides looking unique companion interactions up. Which is one of the lesser evils if you ask me. There's multiple "which companion to bring where" compilations around the net that gives you the info in a succinct, spoiler-free way. If you're actively using the complete roster it helps you a ton with planning ahead.>>543505057Gale supposedly have plenty of interactions in the Grove and based on my experience most of them must trigger during your first time there. Wyll also has multiple bits (Tollhouse, first meeting with Karlach, firefighting at Waukeen's Rest etc.) that you couldn't have seen coming without previous knowledge. Experimenting is usually not too fruitful but it always feels good when you hit the jackpot: like learning that both Halsin and Jaheira fought in the last battle against Ketheric, then talking to the latter with the former as your avatar.>>543505465I feel sticking to a core group (then forming another from unused companions next run) can be just as satisfying as constantly rotating your party. The key is to pick a path and stick to it at least most of the time if not always.
Going full Force Conduit while having allies who must remain friendly is probably a stupid idea but I really like this armor on Lae'zel. One time for the one time!
>>543452291Honestly a really good CRPG that hopefully has its major bugs sorted out by now. Lower production value aside, its got good writing that tries to immerse you in the world of 40k albeit it come sometimes feel like loredumps. The combat system is a little less intuitive than 5E but still so much more accessible than pathfinder. although that might just be owlcat making things a bit too easy. I think if you're in the mood for something sci-fi/sci-fantasy its the modern CRPG to scratch that itch
>>543487696>>543516028beautiful frogs
ayo, i just boughted the game recently on xbox. i want to fuck everything and have sexy futas dueling with their giant cocks. i want sexy asses, tits, and huge futa dicks on my screen. but instead im doing some retarded things like rolling dices and collecting grass. how do i improve my gameplay?
> on xbox.the futas are PC exclusive
>>543520726faggot
im glad that larian is teasing more races that aren't humanoids for their next game, bg3's races look great but they are way way too many elves & tieflings and not enough major characters that are orcs, dwarves & dragonborns, I would have paid a lot of money for DLCs that add races such as yuan tis or aasimar, I know that it's because bg3 has fully animated dialogues but still
>I need more freakshit races in my game because I'm so special and badass unlike these normies who can only handle elves and tieflings, heh
>>543526974>terrible reading comprehension>thinks that custom characters can only be power fantasies>implying that his ugly ass characters aren't just as ugly as your average lizard or half orcthree strikes you're out
>I'm going to complain about how many human and elven companions there are in BG3 again because I'm profoundly unoriginal yet need to signal how I'm too cool for boring knife ears or even sentence breaks, if it were up to me we'd have an ugly orc and an ugly dwarf and an ugly dragonfreak and an ugly snakefreak and I would have paid good money for that because that's what badasses like me do, heh
>>543528393>if it were up to me we'd have an ugly orc and an ugly dwarf and an ugly dragonfreak and an ugly snakefreak and I would have paid good money for that because that's what badasses like me do, hehunironically yes
>get rid of wyll, halsin, minthara, gale & halsin>get a half orc monk with anger issues, a halfling bard werewolf, a gnome artificer, a dwarf sorcerer and durgeyum
>>543530443how gay are you
>>543530738gay enough to have two astarion cards why
>>543530197Shaddy...
>>543506171A chance to remove Halsin and finish his quest would have been a win-win
>>543506171Currently, Wyll and Karl will fight you if you side with the goblins. Shart will attack you if you don't bring her to the Shar trials. Minsc and Jaheira will attack you if you side with Bhaal as Durge, and Wyll can be convinced by them to join them.I agree a few more would have been nice. Maybe one with Karl if you side with Gorty, one with Karl if you side with Mizora, one with Wyll if you ascend Asty, and maybe one with Seluneshart if you side with Lorroakan.It's interesting that none come to mind for Gale, maybe if you kill Tara.As for the Halsin and Minthara scene, I think it fell a bit flat since he doesn't have a tadpole, so he's free to do whatever he wants, whereas she dies if she leaves camp. Additionally, his quest is finished in act 2, he solved the shadow curse, meanwhile Minth's questline is to kill Orin, which is in act 3. So there's two reasons to side with her, even if I wasn't biased. He would be home in time for dinner if he leaves and he's happily finished his quest, so it's not much of a decision.
How hard do you have to hit your head that you would like Aylin.God she fucking sucks
>>543536297don't talk to me
Astarion penis
>>543536483I love her futa cock
>>543461354That is a man.Why is his name Kat
>>543536769Aylin is a man?
>>543537107no? that would be gay
>>543537487Only men have penises
>>543536297I keep hearing about all this cool extra stuff durge has but I've been putting off my second playthrough
Has this ever happened before? Marcus decided to ignore Isobel and go after the fists instead
>>543540416a true paladin wouldn't say that
>>543541116>a paladin wouldn't say "No kids allowed."Troubling
>>543541116lae'zel is a hell of a drug
>>543536483What is it about her beauty that scares you so much?
drow gf...
Do you think ravengard was aroused there
Developing story, TCR just took a shit on Larian
>>543549492I wouldn't hold it against him.
>>543549492bg3 needed more orin & gortash and way less emperor and wyll
>>543551528The problem with trying to get people upset with them is they're literal whos.
>>543553041Not anymore.
>>543553134Well good luck then. I'm sure it will take off.
>>543553508It always does. I've put this thread on my rails more times than I can count. Time for another ride, jeets.
>>543478210>>543478243Does it allow mix and match? Sone of the negros look alright. But some definitely where done by just pressing randomize couple times.
>>543553864You can't mix and match anything in this game without opening up the pak files.
i killed that faggot astarion when he was trying to suck me off
>>543558832Why didn't you turn it around and suck him off?
>>543559378i tried, but he was acting like a punk. he also tried to suck me off in wrong place. this cannot be tolerated.
I just wanted to say
>>543561739Three non-physical things you like about her, go.
>>543563208what's the significance of the chairs?
>>543563069>soul renderingA meme featuring a smiling anime girl holding a book.
I have a lore questionLet's say you took over the elder brain and then put a tadpole into Orin. Would you be able to control her or would Bhaal still be stronger
>>543567669Could a shapeshifter just sort of work a tadpole out of their brain by shifting things around?
astarion BTFO
>>543568995Isn't there's a Lae'zel line implying they fucked if you turn both down at the party? I might have the conditions wrong as I feel like I don't always trigger it, but I sometimes get it.
>>543569220almost as if that's a lie propagated by sharters to slander the frog
>>543569414The line is real, but it's definitely from turning her down. What exactly is the problem?
>>543569220https://youtu.be/D-KNBl1PDPE
>>543569805>early access
>>543569414Retarded toadel, laezel wanted to fuck Astarion
>>543568995>astarion is not a homewrecker based?
>>543569414lie? it's not even propaganda, if you reject lae'zel she'll just go for someone else
the lie is trying to paint an act 1 interaction as an act 3 interaction to counter the shart/halsin interactions in act 2/ 3
>>543571112seethe toadie Laezel fucks right away
yeah when you're not in relationship with lae'zelwhile you sit in the chair while in a relationship with shart
>>543571421Nobody is talking about Shadowheart. You and Nametranny are OBSESSED with her over your real "waifu".
>>543571112no one mentioned shart or even tried to imply that lae'zel looking for fuck in act one was a later interaction
>>543571112Who did this?
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/image/lU5r-npYBUlc5rSsq5Mi5A/and yet that image is only ever posted as a response to shart's whorishness. really makes one think
>>543571893yeah, and usually by frogschizo, but that wasn't what was originally mentioned
>>543571893I will never check the archive from you or the namefaggot
>>543572641now you have
what a slut, it happened in my game
>>543573089Oh so it is the Toadcel who posts this constantly. How does Shadowheart live rent free in his head?
>>543573403about as much as he lives rent free in your head
At least you're all friends at the end of the day, and surely aren't just angry retards screaming cuck at each other for years
>>543573586why are you defending yourself?
>>543573742>screaming cuck at each otheranon only one party the sharters are cucks. everyone laughs and dunks on them
can you really call yourself a bg3 fan if you have less playtime than this?
>like lae'zel>will be associated with the actual schizo by proxy
wait i thought the label was frogcel. frogschizo is the sharter
you can be a schizo while not being frogschizo
Purest romance in bg3?
>>543576081none of them are purelae'zel and karlach end with pure love, shadowheart's slow burn, astarion is absolutely not pure but he is goodgale's hung up on his dipshit ex and can't stop talking about her, minthara isn't a character, and i don't know anyone who has ever done wyll's romance
>>543576081Durge and narrator
>>543576081Inwe
>>543576603If someone told me Wyll has the most pure romance, I wouldn't be shocked. I just have no interest in seeing it
>>543576081Astarion. Waifufags can't admit because he's male.
>>543577776What is your definition of pure?
>>543575208better than being known as the one who got cucked my falsefrogging friend
>>543578291?
>>543577776Yep! pookie is pure and has done nothing wrong in his life
>shart kidnapped as a child>astarion kidnapped childrenits like poetry so that it rhymes
>>543580493Every origin character was taken advantage of by an authority figure at a young age. That's sort of the game's entire theme. Gale's is sort of an exception in that they try and spin it in a positive way, but that's about it.
>>543581558Mystra GROOMED him
>>543582157Him begging for forgiveness still seems like it's presented as the "good" choice for me. Using evil wizard artifacts doesn't seem like it will end well
I'm confusedWhat did Halsin even do in Act 2?(You) found the the thing from the doctor that woke up the dude. And then Halsin opened the portal to rescue a guy that....DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING TO LIFT THE CURSE cause it was still dependent on you dealing with Kaetheric
>>543581558>Every origin character was taken advantage of by an authority figure at a young age.>at a young ageThis is an oversimplification and overgeneralization. It only really applies to Shadowheart.Astarion was a magistrate. His backstory is murky, and whether he arrived at that position through merit or corruption is unclear, but it's safe to say he enjoyed a relatively comfortable life before he was turned.Gale was a child prodigy. Mentored by Elminster, favored by Mystra. He had the perfect life before he threw it away.Lae'zel is just your run-of-the-mill gith. She drank the Kool-Aid, but so did all of them. Gith culture made her strong. Vlaakith worship made her focused. To call it being taken advantage of would be a stretch.Karlach didn't exactly have the ideal life, but there's no indication her childhood and family life was anything but happy, if a little rough.The non-character is a nepo baby. His daddy is one of the most important figures in Baldur's Gate. Safe to say, he's never known a single day of struggle in childhood.
>>543584987Yeah you do most of the legwork and heavy lifting, but Sylvanus broke a hole in the shadowfell and guided Halsin through it, with the help of the lavender flowers. Without Sylvanus, you'd have to find another portal into the shadowfell. Which would not be impossible, but having a god's patronage for your journey makes everything run smoother. And Halsin got that patronage.The land heals itself it it's able to, but Ketheric's existence was an anchor the the shadow magic. Once Ketheric is dead, the land begins to heal. The kid is the spirit of the land, who will begin healing now that ketheric is dead.Without you, Halsin dies in the portal, and Ketheric remains to always anchor the shadows to the land to suffocate Thaniel. But they each play their roles once you set things up for them.
>halsin broke thaniel's hole
>>543585676no, the question is why is halsin thereif we dealt with katheric, the curse wold be lifted anyway
>>543588271>if we dealt with katheric, the curse wold be lifted anywayit will not
>>543588561hes the anchor
>>543588271Freeing Thaniel from the Shadowfell is important too. Thaniel is the spirit of the land, so without him the land won't be healthy longterm. And he was trapped in the Shadowfell. So Sylvanus does do something important, and works through Halsin asking for his help. Halsin and Sylvanus work together to heal the land long term, which involves Thaniel as the third piece.Halsin and Sylvanus are not strictly necessary, you can find a way into the Shadowfell through other means, but Sylvanus helps speed things along and makes things safer, since he would like to see the land healed as well. The Shadowfell is large and dangerous to be looking on your own.
>>543585676>>543589181How many times have you let him die there
Ilovecutefrogs
>Start the game with frog as my least favorite female character because she's a goddamn frog>Tense moment with Patrol>Entire section at Creche>Gets a goddamn egg>Massive Story/Lore dumps in the Discs you come across>Meeting You-Know-Who at the start of Act 3I'm still very early in Act 3 and I can see the other characters' stories have more to go but goddamn she is SUPER story relevant and the game is trying very hard to make me like her more and its working
>>543591526You know the one in the bottom right is underage, right?
>>543591526same desu>>543591872she is incredible, easily the best companion
am i basic if i also fell in love with only shadowheart
I went to see how solo honor mode nerds beat myrkul and I see fucking invisible scratch to rescue AWhat the fuck. HOW DO PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SHIT. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THEY GOT THESE IDEAS ORGANICALLY. THIS NEVER EVEN ENTERED MY MIND AS A POSSIBILITY
>>543588605I always assumed the spirit of the land that was corrupted with shadow bullshit was the anchor, Ketheric just made doing anything about it extremely impractical
it better be a frog squatting its wednesday istik edition
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