Cosmetic Packs Edition>PTS 11.0 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/287-pts-patch-notes-11-0?>Update 10.2 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/272-hotfix-10-2-patch-notes>September Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/278-september-community-update>Year 2 Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>Recommended prestige perks (WIP):https://i.imgur.com/oy6eQdx.jpeg>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinksPreviously on the Battle-barge: >>543735043
Post codes.
So, all of the new cosmetics are pretty good, excluding the Salamanders helmet, and the Phobos shoulder cloak because it clips with fucking everything.
>>543945195codes.
>>543945267Everything is pretty much garbage except the beakie, the BT helmet, and the two BA champion shoulders.But honestly this game needs quality at this point rather than quantity. Just do the fucking customization overhaul already.
>>543944701please no... Haven't the salamanders suffered enough
Play blood angels
>>543946434>Doesn't like the black cameleocloak shoulderWhy oust yourself as gay?
>>543946537Don't worry. It could've been worse. At least they're not iron hands.
>>543946660>he says while wanting frilly dresses on soldiersthe irony
>>543947487>Cloaks and capes>"Dresses"Seeing things in the walls, anon.
>>543947663>nooo this frilly dress doesn't count, don't make me leave the closet!l m a o
>>543928593 >join absolute Vox Lib as plasma heavy>its two friends playing>open mics>they're in the middle of a conversation>assault + sniper>Prestige 1 level 9, both of them>they're both down>kill 2 extremis and nearly 2 dozen majoris>revive them>they don't even acknowledge me>pickup ammo pack as I'm barely sitting at a third>"HEY! MY FRIEND IS LOW ON AMMO CAN'T YOU SEE!?!?!?">he's talking about the ASSault>Enter the area where nids and chaos are fighting>they die immediately upon extremis spawn>clean up the fuck huge mess, start to head off>fucking Helbrute......>they run and hide from it while fighting trash>they both go down again to trash>50% the extremis and horde spawns>kill these>they spawn back in>kill Helbrute>revive them>like 20% health remaining>head to elevator platform room>i grab a health pack and the relic that spawns there>"THE FUCK IS THIS GUYS PROBLEM? HE JUST TOOK A FUCKING RELIC GOD DAMNIT! WE HAVE WOUNDS!!!!!">"Bro we should kick him haha">"FUCK YEAH WE SHOULD HOW DO WE DO THAT!?!?!?!">drop melta>kill self>use relic>use stim>leave before they can kick meThis shit is burned in to my memory forever.
>>543947487>he doesn't want frilly dresses for his dollieswho's really in the closet anon
>>543948376>>543947841>>543947663>>543947487
i sure wish there was some database on what actually scales what.how do you increase assaults ground pound damage? just with generalistic melee damage increases, right? its neither a light nur a charged attack as far as i understand it.
You can judge a man fairly based on what Space Marine chapter is his favorite.
>>543948765vorpal swords
>>543948765Exactly. The official way to judge is as follows.You are a massive fucking faggot if your favorite chapter- is anything but first founding- is first founding but it's Space Wolves, Dark Angels, White Scars, Imperial Fists or Iron Hands
>>543948765For me, it's the Imperial Fists
>>543949229Hey now. Fists aren't so bad and Don't is pretty based.
>>543948765For me? It's the Beakie Boys, engaging in Sabotage.
>>543948765Space Marines are cool obviously, but I'm an Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau enjoyer myself.
>>543949229(You)
>>543948765I get called a normie but Ultramarines are honestly my favorite. And Guilliman is honestly the dude id follow in that miserable universe.
>>543949229What’s wrong with the Crimson Fists?
>>543949607>space spicsgtfo pablo
>>543948765They cute
>>543949323Polux is pretty cool
How necessary are guns?My problem is that on m/kb, melee feels really shitty, but on controller aiming is really fucking shittyIt doesnt help that I have to bind 3 separate buttons just to aim and fire the gun, why does it not just let you do the deadspace thing and let your primary fire shoot the gun while aiming and melee when not aiming?
>>543951102Don't get your aversion to aiming on gamepad. The aim assist is so comically forgiving that even my crippled ass can done every enemy with the Stalker no problem and complete Absolute+ with little issue. The only enemy that's annoying to deal with is the frisbee Tzaangor.
>>543947273Our number of fans means we don't get normal faggots like the Salamanders and Blood Angels posting the same tired ass memes over and over like they just struck comedy gold, and the lore is fine, there's just not a lot of it. And it's "Iron Hands", bitch ass nigga. Watch yourself.
>>543951286*dome
>>543951286The aim assist kinda vaguely follows behind enemiesI'd prefer to just avoid guns as much as possible as I was gonna play assault because I want to fist, hence why I asked if guns are necessaryI also tested to jump pack in those trials and holy fuck it barely counts as a jump
>>543951642Hmm, might be a sensitivity issue. Did you fiddle with it? I use base sensitivity and the aim assist can catch up with moving targets. The slower you make it, the harder it has to fight with the stickiness.
>>543951642I was super disappointed in the jump pack. It's fucking awesome in the campaign but they cut its balls off in everything else.
>>543945747
>>543951827I did turn it down a notch, maybe not enough?It was almost snapping back to the wrong spot if that makes sense, like it snaps, I aim for the head and it just snaps back to dead center body shotsIt feels very awkward, I ended up turning it off for the prologue halfway through because it just kept fucking me, but the ranged fuckers move
>>543949386Based beak bro.Caw caw, mother fucker.
>>543952093Keep the settings as base, and stick with it. Trust me when I say it becomes pretty intuitive. It's one of the better aim assists I've used in a game since Halo, makes for a very comfy gamepad PC game. I often land in the top 3 of my team in PvP despite using a controller.A good trick is to make small adjustments by strafing instead of turning. If you need to nudge the crosshair like a smidge to the left, strafe left instead of aiming left.
>>543948765Space Sharks
Heroic instigator is shockingly okay. Two bursts for ranged and three for melee sets up a grapnel finisher.
Is there anything this aryan mother fucker can't do?
>>543953116Win against any of this brothers
I am getting constant and massive FPS drops on the PTS if I play with an open lobbyWhat the actual fuck.
>>543953116Win a fight... maybe. Apparently, before Lorgar ascended to Daemonhood, Guilliman fucked him up on Monarchia before destroying the planet. Given this is Lorgar after psychically awakening, getting his buff from Istvaan 5, gaining further attunement with the Warp through the Ruin Storm, AND without having his attention split with waiting for the right time to ascend Angron, this is quite the accomplishment. We still don't know the specifics, but if there's a Scouring series, we just might in the future.
>>543953050That's all I needed it to be. I prefer the Instigator on Vanguard for the grapnel build because its his only non-Melta option that has some sort of ammo restore. A beefier Instigator just makes the grapnel build a lot better, especially in tandem with his new perk that gives ability charge back for 30+ meter kills. Means you can upkeep your grapnel if you fubar an attempt by just spaffing bullets into a crowd or Minoris.
>>543951317i know fuck all about iron hands except the basics. i heard of one story where they steal a venerable dread from the hospitalers chapter because they need it to revive some of their own, then realize they dont and turn the dead into some helfather thing, just going by memory. i´m too lazy to scroll through tons of old threads until i find stuff. what are these machine-zombies called and whats the deal with them?
>>543953116be a peerless fighter like Fulgrim or Sanguiniusbe a charismatic leader like Horus or Sanguiniusbe a cunning tactician like Perturabo and Dornbe good at warp shenanigans like MagnusHe's just mid: the person. Fitting for the Ultramarines
>>543954640gullyman is literally A tier in everything except fighting. to contrast that magnus is bad in every aspect outside of psyker shit. unironically the worst fuckup of a primarch.
The whip warrior four hit combo is such an inconsistent piece of fucking shit to block. So often the hit just won't register despite moving through you, which sets you up to be hit by the next attack in the combo as you're stuck in the whiff animation.
Thoughts?
>>543954954ElevationIf the two of you aren't on even ground, and instead one of you is on an incline like stairs or a ramp, shit will just whiff. My best advice is to avoid stairs like the plague when fighting.
>>543948765For me? It's blood angels.Vampire sword master berserkers, man.
>>543954375That's the Voice of Mars. Iron Father Kristos uses the cover of an Ork invasion on an Knight World to send in squad Jalenghaal onto the Hospitalers' flagship. They fight through the crew and Marines onto the bridge, disable the Dreadnought, kill the Marine inside, and shove one of their own in it. The machine zombies are Marines basically voodoo zombies brought back from being DEAD dead using a device/devices known as the Keys of Hel. It allowed Kristos to have a group of enslaved immortal Terminators. If you want to cosplay them, they were noted to have black eye lenses.
>>543954867Being a prodigy in one thing is better than being unremarkable at everything. Gillette is objectively the runt of the litter.
Techmarine dialogue.
>>543954640You lost me at charismatic.That's girlyman's entire schtick. He's a born leader and inspires everyone.
>>543948765Executioners
>>543956625First I run into a Mantis Warrior faggot. Now this. In my own general.
>>543948765Grey Knights. Having license for psykers wreaking havoc on daemons is a pretty cool. Plus I like their style - aegis type armor looks awesome.
>>543948765Salamanders. Luv me flamethrowers and luv me Third War of Armageddon.
Screaming into the wrap until they add lightning claws
>>543957697It's really fucking weird they haven't. They're a staple of the series
>>543957886Maybe because its kinda of a "Dual weapon"?You cant really make it disappear if you pull out your pistol or whatever, Its why ass and van are restricted to pistols
>>543957074It just so happens that Executioners, Mantis Warriors and Lamenters are my three favourite chapters.
>>543958202As Brothers of the Snake showed, it's perfectly reasonable for a Marine to use one lightning claw. They don't always need to be paired. Priad made good use of his singular claw. Quit being a faggot and read a fucking book.
>>543958724Sorry anon I can't read
>>543958851Ah, welcome Cousin.
>>543957327I love the helmets
>>543944701kek
>>543955226i hate it tbqh
>>543958202>You cant really make it disappear if you pull out your pistol?
What is the chaddest successor chapter of the Ultramarines? Don't care which founding.
>>543958202You are a fucking Space Marine, I'm sure you can survive stabbing yourself in the hip every time you want to get your sidearm.
>>543956110>Me when Techmarine drops while killing Nidders and Chaos monkeys (3:44)https://youtu.be/asr6_eNCuoU?si=Nj28JxvmuYUoVuWU
>>543958202>>543959475forgot pic
>>543959627Mortifactors
>>543959475Its a big ass gauntlet like the power fist, you cant hold a gun with it and you cant have it instantly turn into a normal hand if you pull out the gunIt wouldnt work unless you only have the right claw, like the fist is now
>>543959627>chaddest>UltramarinesThat's like asking which snail species is the fastest runner.
>>543959627castellans of the rift are deployed deeply in nurgles asshole for x years by now and still standing, thats pretty chad.but i dont know all that much about ultras
>>543959651The claws are on your knuckles retard. Take a hand and slap your own ass. When did your knuckles make contact with yourself?
>>543959695Arent normal lightning claws a lot bigger than that?
>>543959878>slaps his bolt pistol>it falls to the ground>keeps slapping the groundI mean, as long as you get it to fire...
>>543959965Those ARE the normal ones. There are other variants too like bigass terminator ones but why bother for a game that doesn't have termies. Just make those ones.
assault with block axe fucks now
>>543955226I really, really fucking hate that helmet
>>543957327>>543959302Same. I like that they're distinct among other chapters. and I like dudes who aren't Primarchs but can royally fuck up warp demons... inb4 ExecutionersNice to see Chamber Militant for Ordo Malleus enjoyers around here.
>>543960190I guess thats fair, the only ones I ever saw were the ones with 4 nailsPersonally I prefer the ones with the nails on the actual fingers, forgot what those are called
>>543959831t. retarded Space Wolfunga bunga awwoooo, faggot
>>543960398the helmet itself looks great if the mouthpiece is a different color then the head. without the fucking broom though.
What would the lightning claws gimmick be?Just unhinged lunging attacks?Charged for frenzy?
>>543960190Those are Raven's Talons. Possibly the Raven's Talon Pattern that is only bestowed to Raven Guard Shadow Captains is based on them. No other chapter even knows how to make that pattern. All regular lightning claws have gauntlets the size of a power fist.
>>543960481>they're distinct among other chaptersYeah, I'd rather have a dozen distinct chapters instead of a hundred basic recolors. People clown on the furfags having the wolf helmet but at least it gives some of them a unique silhouette. The ultras should also lean a lot harder into their Roman Empire shtick.
>>543960615Some Claws also retract into a housing on the back of the gauntlet.
>>543960909This always fucking bothered meAll these chapters have these cool names and shit but visually you just get "Marine but green"
>>543960895Nevermind, I just checked and the Raven's Talon Pattern gauntlet is just slightly smaller than a power fist. Which means that the ones worn by Shrike are the only ones that are this small.
>>543957697The only good ones are the Talon of Horus kind though which they will never add
Why are primarchs also helmet less and never seen outside armor?
>>543959627The Iron Snakes or the Howling Griffons. The Iron Snakes aren't overly stuck up like most Chapters, have fun with each other and their neophytes, and are always open to new strategies.The Howling Griffons have such a huge hate boner for the Word Bearers, they manifested a gene curse in that they have a physical, mental, and spiritual NEED to fuck Word Bearer ass whenever there's even a hint of them around. If the curse is in it's late stages, they will abandon missions, kill allies, and drop everything to go and murder them. This curse also generally extends to their habit of oath taking. When a Howling Griffon swears to do something, they have an overwhelming compulsion to see it done.
>>543948765Storm Wardens because i like swords and the silver / dark blue color combo
I'm not well versed on the lore but it feels really comical to wander around the ship and see space marines in full armor just... loiteringLike one guy at the start is just peering over the rails
>>543961336Bobby has a helmet in M42 though? And Lionel has one too in his model, I think the Khan canonically wears one as well 24/7 armor is just a series staple, can't help it
>>543961381that actually pretty funny. now i get why howling griffons are so popular, despite their mega-ass paintscheme
>>543960913You are thinking of Raven's Talons from >>543959695They are the only ones that can do this.
>>543961336there are multiple occasions in the books with horus, sanguinus, perty and others without any armor on. and most wear helmets in the books, on the artwork they tend to be helmetless though.
>>543961645Kurze's can as well, but yeah, primarch-limited edition.Just attach your bolt pistol to the bottom of the gauntlet.
>>543961579All of the operations take place within the span of like a week. The entire company doesn't have the time to just chill without armor on, due to the nidder invasion and the chaos shenanigans.
I really like the new bolt sniper.
>>543961336Primarchs actually wear their helmets in the books (you niggas will never flip a singular fucking page, I see). It actually annoyed me, because I realized I had no idea what their helmets were supposed to look like. Just from what I remember, the ones mentioned wearing helmets are >Lorgar>Russ>Fulgrim>Alpharius>Dorn>Lion>Ferrus>Guilliman
>>543960879Maybe we can finally get a melee weapoin where the light attacks are actually worth a fuck.
>>543962214I seem to remember the Khan wearing some snarling face helmet
>>543960398>>543959426Im sorry.
>>543961645No, I remember specifically in the first Night Lords book, Soul Hunter, the Atramentar that comes to kill Cyrian, Xarl, and Uzas unsheathes his claws on more than one occasion. Konrad also plays with his claws, sheathing and unsheathing them during a conversation with Magnus when they were sent together on a Compliance mission.
>700 regular kills>15 extremis kills>20k melee, 10k ranged>and lose anywayWhat the actual fuck is wrong with the spawn rates for the new mission.Also pretty sure something's borked midway through. I couldn't blow up the generators.
>>543962408To the pain glove with you for repentance for not standing up proud of your design
>>543962042>Good job. Be ready to re-fit, re-arm and re-deploy immediately.
>>543962290light attacks one shot chaos cultists :)
>>543962356You're right, I forgot him.
>>543961645Tyberos' claws can snap back.
Salamanders dont do black helmets do they? They should, they look good.
>>543962792S*l*m*nd*rs and S*l*m*nd*r fags should go suck a Nidder dick and choke.
>>543962695How does he press buttons?
>>543963039I just want a green marine but dark angels are gay.
>>543963071With his fingers.
>>543963278why?
>>543963554It's just a nice color.
>>543963278Motherfucker, S*l*m*nd*rs are the designated faggoty "good guys" on the Astartes. Delete system 32.
>>543963716No I mean why do you hate dark angles
>>543963278Sons of Medusa.
>>543963278Go with Raptors.
>>543962472Curze's could, yeah, just like Shrike's. Most of the time the claws are longer than the gauntlet, so it wouldn't make sense for the normal ones to be retractable. I can think of a few reasons why a Night Lord could have ones that could:- ancient forgotten pattern that he held on to since the Heresy- chaos mutation (they supposedly don't mutate, but you can still find numerous mutations among their ranks. I guess they just don't consider it a mutation if they like it)- maybe "unsheathe" meant "power on" in this case
Are any of the charcharadons armor parts in the PTS?
>>543962695Yeah, but these are still one of a kind. Or rather two, in this case.>>543963278Mantis Warriors have a nice shade of green with eye-catching yellow inserts. I think they look really good.
>>543963278Then just make /yourdudes/ you retard
Tactical has 23 right shoulders pauldrons.Tactical has 5 right shoulder pauldrons that don't obscure the heraldry.Tactical has 2 right shoulder pauldrons that dont' obscure the heraldry and don't have hyper gaudy trim decoration (1 of these is the white scars shoulder).Why is this okay
How did you write /your dudes/ lore
>Leveling inferno pistol>It's green, requires 7500xp, have the perk that means you do +20% melee damage when it's unloaded>At the start of the mission empty the magazine>Never reload it or use it again>Lethal decapitation>Mission ends with 7600XP hell yeah straight to purple baby>0 xp for the pistol because I didn't do any damage with the fucking thing or something despite carrying it through the whole fucking mission>end up having to do 3 fucking missions with shitters to level it to purple because unluckyvery fucking nice system saber
>>543964885Think of it this way: you are not leveling your weapon, you are leveling your skill at using said weapon.Yeah, I know that the perks being tied to the weapon don't make sense in that situation. Why are you expecting logical mechanics from fucking russians?
>>543964885
LvL 1 with a Relic/Heroic Weapon >>>>> LvL 25 P4 with a grey weapon
>>543949229Whats wrong with Dark Angels
>>543965672They look really stupid with their bathrobes, their chapter gimmick is beyond silly and makes them act like idiots, they have a primarch with a meme name, and the chapter's name itself is probably something a 12 year old came up with.
>Block Power Axe gets the riposte stance>Instantly becomes one of the best melee weapons in the gameIt was that easy.
>>543966339>*gets shot by sniper during uncancellable spin animation*
>>543966339yeah its almost like block balance fencing shouldnt be a thing and every melee should have a parry built into its move set
>>543966339I use the balanced axe. Tried block for 3 missions and I only got an opening to both get enough charges and actually use them 5 times tops. It would be decent if you kept the charges but they expire fast. Not every enemy is guaranteed to swing at you twice in quick succession for that matter, and if you're surrounded by enemies that will give you charges then you have to disengage to even get an opening to use them. I'm sure it's fun on ruthless or something though. Parry is simply too good with its stagger, iframes and constant free armor from minoris imo.
>>543967176Yeah, like what if you could use the adrenaline buff and either channel it into a gunstrike or a buff your melee for however long it does? What if you could just have both?
>Console teammate under the impression that every single execution belongs to him despite doing 0 damageIs this because they're shit and have to mash executions to avoid damage or because they literally do not think, and just have neuron activation when seeing red flashes
one of these things is not like the other
>>543963278>>543963930You should go with the Iron Hands but Cooler successor instead
>>543967429or when you're vanguard and leaving extremis executions for low health teammates and they just ignore them or just kill them outright. great stuff
>>543965341>have max ranged damage and max melee damage>get punished for it
>>543967768Aesthetically the one on the left mogs the two on the right and it's not close. Good job on your dude, anon.
>>543944701The new helmet looks so utterly goofy I really have to wonder how anyone on the dev team actually okayed it.
>>543967429I see this across PC and console. The reality is 90% of people who play this game are borderline retarded.
>>543968347idk i am happy with the lamenter sniper. It is year 2 of SM2 and bulwark still has no good cosmetics.
Tactical's new Signal Jammer is IMO the best "pub" signature perk. The ability to shut down reinforcement calls for 90 seconds by just scanning someone with Aux is too convenient when you can't rely on your duo of knuckle draggers to do it while you're surrounded by Majoris.
>>543968983Disagree, but only because one anon here has a really sexy Ultramarine vet sarge Bulwark using parts from the Imp Fist and Bulwark champions.
>>543969185>wasting an auspex charge on a reinforcement call
>>543970203Anon, it blocks ALL reinforcement calls FOR 90 SECONDS. It doesn't stop one, it stops all of them for that duration after the Auspex was activated. You scan an Extremis and your Auspex will be back before the 90 second duration ends.
>>543970203>>543970374To further clear any confusion, it doesn't matter if the reinforcement caller was scanned or not. Any and all enemies within an infinite range explode and die if they try to call any time within the 90 second window.
>>543970494You see it in action yet? Is there any indicator the enemy tried to call for help and got exploded?
>>543970567Played on the PTS earlier but I'm in work now. The reinforcement call icon and noise flashes for like a second and then you just see it stop.Genuinely, really good team support perk. You lose out on the big juicy AOE killer, but it guarantees no reinforcements for 90 seconds, and nearly every time I had Auspex back within the window and was able to proc it again instantly when needed a couple of times.
You know what, heroic instigator and the new block axe is honestly pretty good. You can probably run neo volkite pistol for some extra hellbrute and carnifex damage. I am shocked they work so well.
>>543971158Agreed, tried it myself earlier. Vanguard finally feels like he has that perfect middle ground between good ranged and melee damage. You don't feel gimped in one or the other. Heroic Instigator melts at ranged, Block Axe melts on riposte, both play insanely well into grapnel executes.
>>543969287>one anon here has a really sexy Ultramarine vet sarge Bulwark using parts from the Imp Fist and Bulwark champions.Got a picture?
>>543972118One sec, gotta trawl through previous threads.
>>543972118Found it.I really like this. Actually opened my mind to making custom Ultras.
>>543972412Yeah thats actually pretty clean looking.
>>543969185>The ability to shut down reinforcement calls for 90 seconds by just scanning someone with AuxOh, THAT'S how it works? I thought it delayed reinforcements for the duration of the auspex and then went on cooldown for 90 seconds. Yeah that's actually pretty good.
>>543972726Yep, it's FOR 90 seconds. Not a 90 second cooldown. The ability doesn't have a cooldown at all, which is fucking busted lmao.>Sniper has to wait 30 seconds to get cloak on perfect dodge>Tactical, the golden boy, gets to just disable reinforcements endlessly
>>543971158Block axe feels like shit to use for me. It isn't like thunder hammer where you can just unga bunga.
Man nobody seems to be playing on the PTS at all.
>>543973806Most people don't bother. But for anybody here, I am begging you to use this time to report any and all bugs you find on the Focus forums and to do it now. The first week is the most important.
>>543970965>tactical gets another crazy S tier buff for no reason>Assault can do one regular light attack after spending their 45 second ability charge to dashwhat did saber mean by this
>>543974398Play Tactical, Bulwark, Vanguard, Heavy and Sniper
>>543974398The only possible deduction I can make at this point is that each class is handled by different people.This is twice now that Tactical has had a complete overhaul to a perk that took it from mid to S-tier. Bulwark got a busted, completely new ability in Shield Rush complete with new animations, alongside getting his own unique shield executions.Meanwhile Assault has consistently gotten Bulwark's cum soaked sloppy seconds and perk reworks that make them worse.>Bulwark's slower cHP degradation as a perk (his only good recent change and it wasn't even original)>He can now turn an ability charge costing dash... into a basic light attack. Not a unique attack like a shoulder barge or a flying kick, or literally anything cool, it just let's you throw out the first chain attack of a melee weapon instantly>Rework his +15% from all sources melee damage perk into requiring you spam dashes, which makes it less consistent and worse even with the increas to 25%
>>543972905>>Tactical, the golden boy, gets to just disable reinforcements endlesslyOr just, you know, as 1 of 2 dedicated long ranged classes, shoot them once in the head. Since, you know, Auspex has the exact same hitbox as your gun and will run into the exact same problems trying to target an enemy far away when you're surrounded.Because this perk is absolutely in no world worth taking over being able to instantly delete Thropes and Helbrutes
>>543975602Read the patch notes.
>>543975602>you know, Auspex has the exact same hitbox as your gun and will run into the exact same problems trying to target an enemy far away when you're surrounded.nigger learn to read
>>543975602Have you ever been in a pub lobby, or just had bad luck?>You're knee deep in shit>AOE explosion on cooldown>Enemy next to one of your teammates starts calling reinforcements>You have zero opportunity to shoot>Teammate with all the time in the world ignores himor>Enemy behind a wall a mile away calls reinforcements and no one has LOSor>Chaos Spawn calls reinforcements and just shrugs off all the attempts at staggering himAgain, for 90 whole seconds, not a single enemy can call reinforcements within an infinite range if you Aus scanned at least one enemy. This is really good for pubs.
>>543975602>didn't read the notesscan 1 enemy, any enemy = no enemy, even if it wasnt scanned, can't call for backup
>>543975732>>543975750>>543976240
Any footage of assault's shitty new dash attack?
>>543977026It's literally just dash > can instantly throw out your first light at the end. I am not joking. It is comically low effort and bad.
>>543977109>added damage scaling to vanguard's grapnel>still no damage scaling for assault's wings of flame>but they added jetpack dodge attacks, so clearly they must be thinking of that playstyle->they're dogshitreally kenny loggins my noggin
Sniper is still a throw pick. Also the vorex beast headshot zone doesnt actually count as a headshot zone for perks.
>>543951317lmfao i could not imagine posting this shit. god please, let me just kill myself long before i ever post something this cock sucking cringe.
Those slithery fucks owe me a lot of money by now
>>543978610>Also the vorex beast headshot zone doesnt actually count as a headshot zone for perks.fucking lmao
i am so fucking tired of carryingsomeone carry me for once holy fuck
>>543972726>>543972905that's just the scanned ones though right?
>>543972118here yo ugo m8
>>543979653No anon, read.>After marking an enemy with Auspex scan, OTHER ENEMIES cannot call for reinforcements
>stoned>join random absolute>help beat horde>tac is the only one with lost hp>it's a lot too>we all gang up on the last enemy in the room>a sorcerer >it's executable>bulwark drops banner>my instincts beat my logical reasoning in a race by an atom>I execute the sorcerer>tac and bulwark motionlessly watch>second of silence passes after I finish>tac starts unloading on me>open pause menu>click on the "return to battle barge" button>click "yes">blaze
Does fist just need a ton of perks to work or something?>charge, get stunlocked>dont charge, it does jack shit
>>543981761You only use charge moves so yes. Get Tide of Battle or don't bother using it at all.
>successfully cart the jeanseed to the heirophant fight as a fresh prestige sniper on lethal>trust that my low level consoletard teammates can protect me for 5 seconds while i laser the heiro (mistake)>lose jeanseeds
>inferno pistol gun strikes can explode barrelsthat hurt
>>543981761Literally only one.Perseverance.If you're a bulwarkfag, then the best equivalent you got is armoured advance.
>>543955226How is your skeleton bro supposed to see what's going on?
>>543981761I honestly don't know why stagger immunity doesn't work on blue attacks. You'd think heavy attacks would be the ones with the indicators and not your typical light from majoris.
>>543982708he watches my flanks
>>543982708All he needs to see is red.
>>543964620I wouldn't mind this as much if you could at least put your heraldry on your kneepads or something but yeah it bothers me a lot too
Have any of the carcharodons cosmetics been datamined from the PTS?
the chaos spawns are so bad. there is literally no indicator that they are going to melee you
>>543983529I look at their arms. Sometimes its an attack, sometimes they're just pounding the ground.
>lets go boysblarg
>>543983780average thunderhammer bulwark
>>543983952name one thing he did wrong
>>543984480I would have taken the double charged slam attack weapon perk to change direction and slam the spawns walking into it.
>>543984480went on the offensive against chaos spawn
>>543984480>Looked retarded>Used the thunder hammer>Had a mortal wound>Didn't play defensively while having a mortal wound with one teammate dead>Didn't execute the rubric to expedite his teammate's respawn and reset the >Sat there spamming block instead of dodging>Looked retarded
>>543984480Played against chaos.
>>543984480He tried to be cool and proactive in a game about being a Space Marine instead of being a passive cuckold like how the mechanics actually encourage you to play.
>>543982734Can you parry to animation cancel?It seems to be kinda shitty design that if you get unlucky and get a blue attack you just have to eat it and lose your charge
If Saber doesn't remove consecutive hitstun I'm going to learn to mod to make a mod that willNot only a mod, a mod that will bipass their shitty checksBecause fuck dying from endless majoris swings.
>>543956110>mission is literally just "kill these xeno/traitor faggots">oh, and lose yet another irreplaceable member of the chapterAnd it'll probably be more fun than every other chaos mission so far.
>>543890254>>543793289you should kill yourself now, idiot spic
>>543986067Just lower the difficulties if you don't want severe punishment for being hit. Complaining about hit stun and stun chain in an action game is peak zoomer entitlement. SM2 itself has a fairly generous system that severely limit number of consecutive enemies attacking you as well as multiple perks that let you ignore the stagger.
>>543987802>multiple perks that let you ignore the staggerLiterally all conditional unless you're bulwarkHitstun is shit. Period. Nobody cares about what your sweaty ass has to say about it.
I take back every mean thing I said about the power axe. I'm using the balanced one and it is very based.
>>543989296you could've just grapple chained out of that like 3 different times
>>543990359ironically more risky than just parrying everything
>>543990523Grappling gives you iframes and deals aoe damage, enabling a chain reaction of executes.
>>543990624it's not instant and the damage is mediocre compared
>>543990771>and the damage is mediocre comparedNo it is not
>>543987013The woke progressive activist fears the Hispano-Aryan TRVE CHVD BVLL who fearlessly calls out leftist subversion in his hobbies while blasting NSBM.
>>543990861I'll take you word for it. But in my experience, it is mediocre, even with all the perks, and too many times earlier in my spess mehrens 2 career I've tried to meme grapple out of situations like that only to take unnecessary damage while it does its thing (or worse, stop at an enemy in front of the target) so I tend not to lean on it too much
>>543984480playing thunderhammer on the bulwark
>>543991531The damage (assuming you're on absolute) is enough to put any majoris in the game into the <33% threshold needed to grapple kill them. If you soften one target up, two grapples will leave a whole group incapacitated (and a third kills the lot) without spending a single charge.Only issue is one needs to learn how to tardwrangle the hook targeting and how to not get kill stolen by teammates, but that's not too hard to figure out.
>>543991531How? You're completely invulnerable while grappling, the execute at 33% perk combined with the AoE damage on finisher perk means you instantly put every other majoris around the one you're executing into execute range themselves.That's the entire point of the power axe on vanguard, a single power sweep into gunstrike guarantees a grapple execute
>jump pack in story>I become a meteor>jump pack in operations>barely a jumpI feel so fucking scammedAlso what determines the recharge on those?I genuinely cant tell if its over time like a cooldown or on kill or something
>>543992556Like I said, it's not instant.>>543992294It sure doesn't feel like it does that much damage desu. I mainly use it for closing gaps and stopping reinforcement calls/stunning things attacking my teammates rather than a damage dealer, especially as it can become a problem with unmatched zeal.
>>543992880It's a set cd in seconds unless you have the perk that recharges on kills, in which case you kill like 10 minoris at once and you get it back instantly.
>>543993112You need to get the grapple execution for the big damage perk to trigger. Using either the occulus or instigator to soften a target up quickly at range or the power axe at close range makes the setup pretty easy.>>543992880It's 40 seconds per jump charge. And yeah, it's pretty shit. Welcome to the least powerful class in the gamemode.
>>543993526>Welcome to the least powerful class in the gamemode.but enought about the sniper
>more than 1 whip asshole starts swinging>parry always fucking breaksSeriously, who thought action parry combat was a good mix with horde shooters?
>>543994010Ah, accidentally posted half instead of the full.
>>543993526fist assault is a better boss killer than most
well well well what now
>>543992556>a single power sweep into gunstrike guarantees a grapple executeyeah this tech is mostly broken and cheesy as fuck but its not guaranteed
>>543997304melee damage and stomp area for your next 2
>>543998287>Melta Pistol (piddly gunstrike damage) instead of HBP (massive gunstrike damage)Oh no man what are you doing?
>>543998287Are you playing on absolute or a stratagem?
>>543998576The melta pistol has great gunstrike damage and is what I use for that exact combo except it worksI'm pretty sure he's playing a hard strat where you need to burst them a few times first because of the extra HP scaling or didn't take the power wave bonus damage
>>543998583Anything below Lethal will show the enemy threat level doesn't it?
>>543998576I wasn't aware that gun strike damage was anything but flat. According to the spreadsheet it looks like blocking boneswords make it half, but that one doesn't appear to be blocking
>>543999157>I wasn't aware that gun strike damage was anything but flatIt's been adjusted lately so it's closer, but the Heavy Bolt Pistol has the highest GS damage.The Melta and Plasma Pistol are unique because they deal AOE damage around the GS target.
>>543999265Yeah I just took the inferno pistol because I'm leveling it and the +20% melee damage perk is a boon for bosses and extremis. Looks like it has a complete dogshit multiplier and damage values for gun strike + its gunstrike detonates barrels so it's kind of a shit. Would be a nice gimmick to pair with fist + single target ground pound boss killer build though with that 20% though maybe.
>Xbox player named "Goku2009">armour was painted red and black, World Eaters on the left pauldrons, Ultramarines on the rightI've never seen such a latinx-coded player in my life. All he was missing was the active mic picking up a barking dog, crying infant and parents arguing in Spanish.
Phobos armor is so fucking gay
>>543999793*beer bottles smashing**intermittent loud bangs, unintelligible from a scrap car starting up or gunfire**brown people music*
what the fuck am i reading
>>543999990Trouble with math?
>>543999990base damage 0.6 my guypiddy damage x 5 = piddy damage
>>544000259>>544000310oh i thought it was supposed to mean multiplier of the gun strike damagewhy even include that column in that case
>>543999916why
>Assault is supposed to be spamming dash attack nowuh ok i guess damage up on the charge is pretty on point
>>543999586>I'm leveling itWell that explains it, you don't have the gunstrike damage because you've got, like, 6 damage instead of 15 or some shit on your sidearm. You need a relic sidearm and bonus power wave damage if you want it completely reliable
damn look like block axe assault is tearing shit up good now
>>544001046It was relic in that webm, just missing one mastery point. I'm going to ditch it in any case because I can't stand the range
>>544000608You posted why. It's not Warhammer 40k, it's just modern warfarte tacticool cancer.And it has an actual crop-top which looks like shit unlike the mk7, since it's high cut and the primarisissies have a latex catsuit under the armor, not a beefier metallic underlay.
so the question with block axe is: top or bottomif omnissian axe is just a two handed version of power axe, melee tech marine is in fucking business
>>544002110block axe is for bottoms that take it in the ass
>>544002443the bottom tree does seem to have more synergy, but getting a block boost on a larger cone from the power attack seems like it has potentialthen again, overhead having an explosion that also gets the 90% boost is probably plentyI just wonder if assault's "sprinting" talents affect an overhead executed mid combo instead of actually from a sprint
>>544002663trick question, you seldom get a chance to use the charges anyway
>>544002826huh? are you bad at the video game?
>>544002938To even get 2 charges in the first place is a certain amount of luck (enemy movesets, targeting etc, or multiple enemies where you aren't forced to dodge unblockable attacks for the entire duration of your charges). The first scenario where you are lucky enough to get something that is doing double attacks like a bonesword or a whip the explosion is of negligible benefit. The second scenario where the explosion would actually do a decent amount of work, you're stuck dodging until the charges run out more often than not (at higher difficulties anyway where trading like this isn't feasible) or blocking even more subsequent attacks rather than being able to swing your slow axe to use the charges. When you've got 6 majoris breathing down your neck and they're all attacking at different times all you can do is block and dodge, no time to swing whatsoever, and by the time there's an opening your charges are fucking gone. Parry on the other hand provides iframes, and will stagger enemies even before you gun strike (which is a ranged aoe stagger itself).
>>544004116I forgot to add: Parry also turns every minoris into a walking armor boost
>>544004116I can't imagine writing all of this and just not knowing about the litany of sources of hyper armor that let you just swing through anything immediately following a perfect block.
>>544004228Hyper armor doesn't make you invincible
>>543967253my guy it disengages on attack. you are just bad.
>>544004343I and countless others have no issue using block weapons, block axe will be meta the second it drops, get better
>>544004453Block axe already exists. And it is shit.
>>544004116Blockniggers will ignore this and continue to die early in hard stratsThey have chosen to die on the Block hill and watch on respawn timers
>>544004503you genuinely have no idea why anyone is hyping block axe right now, do youyou are just completely oblivious
>>543980250lmao get lost
>>544004575This isn't the QA department of Saber retard. Go post about it on the forums
>>543984480>play thunderhammer>not take invigorating icon>not getting full health on killing that rubric because of it>dies its pretty fucking obvious
>>544004689>speaks as if from experience >has no idea what he's talking about>is absolutely clueless>deflects the second he's challenged on his ignorancebrother, reevaluate your life choices
>>544004840Why are you talking about a different game?
>>543984480name one thing he did right. its all horrendous, from the choice of cosmetics to the gameplay.
I like balanced>>544004721>>not take invigorating iconEh, more and more these days i'm finding that proactively dumping out armor and AoE damage would've been more useful than giving 2-3 heals over the course of a mission. Icon is great but it traps you into only using your banner for icon.
>>544004958>it traps you into only using your banner for iconwhile its easy to fall into this habit better players use it for both
>>543980250thats the ugliest motherfucker i´ve ver seen. crayon marines from some 70iq consolepeasent are ugly, those abominations with blood angels pauldron and space wolf helmet. but this right here is offensively ugly because someone obviously tried, but came up with this. revolting.
>>544004918that wasn't an invitation to double down on deflection
>>543989296>parry whiffs a ton>not a single grapple execute, ample opportunity>inferno pistol + meltayo what the fuck is that
>>544005083You could have easily countered that with an actual (dogshit) argument like so>actually I'm talking about the same game, just because this is the space marine 2 general doesn't mean we can't talk about the mechanics public test serverhowever your fatal flaw is that the original assertion was of the present tense hence the context being the live game ergo vis-a-vis — any assertion that block axe is somehow good is invalid and you are gay and retarded
>>544005053Except the banner now has a shitload more CD so you're actively wasting potential uses if you aren't getting healing back from itThere are enough times where i'm thinking>this would be a great spot to banner but if I do it i'm locked out of healing col. dipshit from his obvious fuck up for the next 4 minutes at a minimumand i suffer through not using it
>>543997304ignore the stompy baby. damage reduction on armor depleted and hyperarmor on gunstrike
>>544005305>words words wordsI'm not reading all this dunning kruger shit
>>543988774Then activate the condition. You want the game to play itself for you as well?
>>544005225That's what a balanced weapon looks like. One of those parries wasn't even meant to block anything because it was used to cancel an animation. At least one other looks like it missed but technically didn't (The attack it 'parried' didn't do any damage, but it didn't do the mechanic, a stupid bug that's been in the game for over a year at this point)
>>544005369>can't even read 3 lines and come up with a suitable retortas i said — gay and retarded
>>543997304Auxiliary reload, Reverberating impact, indomitable spirit, exponential force or conviction
>>544005339hyperarmor on gunstrike perk is the 4th perk
>>544005315if col. dipshit can't heal when i drop the banner on his ass in the middle of a wave with 50 enemies around to get health from he deserves to die
>put on the Space Yiff's puppy play mask>lose three games in a row to near-unavoidable bullshitI think the God Emperor is trying to tell me something.
All my favorite classes are Prestige 4, level 25. I've done both weeklies, I did the one doable daily. What should I do now?
>>544006481you know what you need to do
>>544004116>The second scenario where the explosion would actually do a decent amount of work, you're stuck dodging until the charges run out more often than not (at higher difficulties anyway where trading like this isn't feasible)this is just untrue, especially for the axe>get 2 stacks>heavy power-backstep instantly comes out instantly
>>544006785WHAT DO I DOOOOOO?????
>>544005603no thats not a bug thats a whiffed parry
>nonstop ranged damage>no cover anywhere>roll does nothingWhy did they make a horde shooter follow action slasher combat rules?
>>543989296Axe low key was pretty good because the power wave has really strong AOE stagger, which make gunstrike follow up really safe most of the time. A major weakness of balance/fencing is that it can be tough to find room to gunstrike after successful parry in a tough mob fight. Getting the gunstrike is the end goal.of parrying after all. Power axe kinda solved that problem because the insta power wave just interrupt multiple enemies around you and get you and easily gunstrike
>>544005305oh god now he is attempting to talk like a professor to further deflectguy, you wrote a long text about cons of block that just exposed that you dont know jackshit about block in general. >you see, the stacks do run out after a minute or so. also EVERY weapon has a option to swing and making use of adrenaline stacks. even the thammer. all those paragraphs about "not finding an opening" read like you tried block for 2 runs, got your shit handed to you and never tried it again. its the -objectively- best option and thats been proven again and again. you running out of arguments and trying to deflect with the whole>PTS and SM2 are to different games you knowbullshit just makes you seem like an even bigger turd.
>>544008858block axe just outright kills with the AOE stagger
>>544008475nope thats the same bug thats been in the game since launch related to networking jitter or something. you can tell because the bulwark shock grenade on parry perk will activate like that while not actually doing the parry thing like that. if it was a whiffed parry the attack would have done damage or a different animation
>>544008934you were supposed to accuse me of using chatgpt you sutpid nigger
>>544009208i accept your concession
>>543951317>Nigger with literally zero trigger disciplineCan't make this shit up.
Snipers have been the biggest fucking faggots today dude.
>>544009024Yea now it does. However, I am saying that the fencing/balance axe were underrated because people don't quite understand its value.Block axe is in a good shape now too, but using the power wave for the adrenaline can be kinda iffy if the overhead strike follow up is inconsistent. The whole advantage of block is that you can get a guaranteed stagger combo with adrenaline. However, if you just proc the adrenaline with he wave without a solid melee follow up, it is a bit of a waste even if it does give you a lot of space. The overhead follow up infamously whiffed most of the time after a power wave so idk if they fixed it now.
>>544009389>obviously sniper will fire a second shot>space yiff zooms in his pistol instead of dodging>STUNNED in disbelief that he was hit againthe first shot was pure bullshit, but you did went retard mode afterwards
>>544009389kek
>>544008934>>544005305SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>544009369>muh reddit fingerStick it up your ass, queer.
>>543966339I would like the power axe if it's animations weren't so fucking long.
A lightning claw is clearly the better option to try and make a normal attack focused power fist
>>544009305i just know youre trading hits constantly and chugging stimms if theres more than 4 enemies around kek.theres no way anyone actually believes this shit is better than free parry staggers, iframes and a minoris armor farm.. you can stop being a contrarian no ones gonna judge you for it
>>544011196I swear this general has some of the worst retard contrarians in the game. From "sniper bad" "assault good" guy to "block weapons are bad". Honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if they are alll one person.
>>544011408yeah id think assault was bad if i used block weapons too
>>544011196>every recorded solo hard strat run is using block (or heavy)>every youtuber that does absolute & hard strat content uses block>block constantly gets brought up as the best weapon option in this game in this general>people have been waiting for a block power axe since it came out, got a block version, instantly one of the best melee weaponsand somehow i am the contrarian
>>544010180that anime picture makes it even more embarassing holy shit>>544011196>constantly jugging stimsthere are not enough stims in the game to constantly chugg them and you would know this if you actually played hard strats
>>544009305>>544011196BOTH OF YOU FAGGOTS SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>544012015>solo sloptubers fishing for viewsyes, yes you are
>>544012324>fishing for viewsmore like grasping at straws
Never played vanguard what would you guys say are the best weapons to go with?
>enter key stops working at end of missionalt f4 it is
>>544013242chainsword melta for the og vanguard
>>544013260Means the host left the game so you're locked into the screens>>544013242Right now i'm doing instigator, inferno pistol, and balanced power axe with chain grapple build. Occasionally marksman bolt carbine but i don't want to click that much anymore. Occulus is a great weapon but fuck me the zoom in is annoying. Never melta rifle primary for me, always something that can take down zoans and soften up targets to start a grapple
>>544013242occulus bolter or meltachainsword, axe when the patch comes out
>>544013242Bolt Carbine shreds. Semi auto version slightly more so but requires clicking. Inferno pistol is great for clearing hordes. Whatever melee you want so long as it's block, unless it's a stratagem like this weeks where armor is life and you only have one bar, in which case you'd want to be parrying gaunts constantly.
>>544009940>but you did went retard mode afterwardsI go retard mode whenever retarded things happen to me. All I could think about when I turned the corner and got hit by a venom cannon shot that had literally no auditory or visual telegraph was "UUUHHHNNGGGG I NEED TO GET MY CONTESTED HEALTH BACK" as I drooled all over my keyboard and shit my pants.It's okay though, I managed to clutch the game for us during the brain in a jar room. The power axe rocks despite the fact I don't even have it at relic yet.
Are we also getting new voices with the new faces?Because I'd really like to replace Valius with someone who doesn't sound like a millenial stay-at-home dad on a strictly vegan diet.
>>543967768Yeah, the white and blue one does not have his chapter symbol anywhere.
>>543968192Having max melee damage and max ranged damage was your reward. Why should you be rewarded for being rewarded?
>>544025117>No 'Mercury was in retrograde'No, I don't think I will.
>>544015269Imagine a BT head but he has Decimus' voice
>>544025117I only plan on MAYBE using one of the shoulders for my Deathwatch BA Bulwark or Assault.
>>543963278Dont listen to the bitter queers, play the chapter you like anon
>>544004116In what scenario do you somehow get stuck rollslopping for 35 seconds straight without an opportunity to either block again or make an attack?
>>544012015>true solo>with a pathetic fraction of the enemy spawns as a 3 man gamethis fucking general is so full of shitters holy fuck
>>544012015>caring about solo JewtubersBlockniggers are stupid, more news at 11
>>543985832Yes but then the parry itself animation locks you so its a lose lose situation
>>544015269I don't believe so. At least nothing has been datamined. But these new heads would ideally be the start of the removal of class restrictions, AND come with new VA work relevant to their titled Chapters. Because the Black Templar face, Blood Angels face, and White Scars face respectively don't look like any of the existing characters, they're entirely new faces. This isn't like the Salamander champ where it's literally just a melanin rich Scipius.Even the new Space Wolf face doesn't look entirely like Decimus or Quartus. The problem with this one is I'm not sure, because all three black faces are missing their right eye.
Bros, how do I rollslop successfully? I keep getting hit while rolling.
>>543987013Notice how he called them names but he didn't call them wrong.
>>544015269>>544032453My theory is these are all going to be bundled into the Champion skins (they're all the same Chapters as the Champs). Including new VAs would make the Champ skins way more desirable too, even beyond the new split cosmetics.
>>544032453Space Wolf has different scares compared to Decimus.
>>544035712I meant scars
the prestige bullshit succesfully scared off everyone i used to play this with. fucking A
all the fags complaining about block weapons are the same faggots that cant beat hard strats in the first 2 tries
Could (You) take care of a pet gaunt irl?
FYI Tactical gets an Auspex mark on parry on the first hit again in the PTS. E.g. lash whips that were "changed" to require 2 are back to 1.
>>544011408Assault rules, you just need to get good.>>543891832>>543895251>>543898128>>543899951
>>544011871These were from using the block chainsword, shitter.>>544040152
arguing with you faggots makes one think that you are all 15 years old. the reality probably is that the average age in here is 30, and thats sad.
I think right now my biggest grip is that the parry icon is the same for both minoris and majorisAnd since its so big, you cant fucking tell which it is at a glance, so you see the parry icon and expect a small fucker to jump only to get whipped which requires actual timing and not jsut the button prompt
>>544040152Consider: if you put the same amount of effort and interest into vanguard, you'd do strictly more effective work
but FTG told me block weapons are the best
>vulkite pistol for dealing with snipers>fist for everything elseHow is this setup?
>>544044217What class? Because the neo volkite is mid compared to HBP and plasma
>>544000608I miss this franchise
>>544043556if you dont suck ass at the game block is better, anyone knows that
>>544044345AssaultFist is the only melee Im willing to use until they add my fucking claws
I've done thorough testing of Signal Jammer, it's bugged to shit. I could do with some Reddit updoots on my ticket about it, for anybody who has a Focus account.When it works, it's pretty great as a safety net. It also has a 50% chance of just not working at all.https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/bugs/9083?page=1
>>544044490You want the HBP and plasma anyways, plasma for CHP recovery and HBP for bets gunstrike
>>544044584Thanks for doing the heavy lifting Brother. Good that someone is keeping tabs on these bugs. You have my upvote.
>>544044472>if you want to soulsnigger your way through half of every single encounter, dodging, kiting, and funneling to finally unload a full adrenaline combo its betternah I'll stick to parrynigger gameplay because I can maintain offensive pressure
>>544044490>until they add my fucking clawsIt might take a while and even then I'd say SM3 is when we could potentially get the best stuff + the entirety of SM2 (provided they will get normal devs to balance everything).
>>544046209I'd pay them if they just added dlc with actual content instead of skinsI WILL have my claws
>>544044918Cheers senpai, this is a pretty monumental failure in terms of a perk working properly.
>>544043272>way less melee damage>way less mobility>no ground pounds>phobos>niggerVanguard's a meme right now. He's the best when you're last man standing, and his extremis heal perk is up there with Tac's free grenade perk, but that's kind of it.He's to assault what fencing is to block. He's an assault for shitters.
>>544045184Blockniggers are the reason no one beats hard maps here anymore, when the game was fairly new with the updates everyone else was still on Fencing and beating OG Ruthless, Lethal and Absolute with people hereThe moment someone posts codes here you know it's going to be a wipe since the 2-3 players joining are BlockniggersWhenever someone brags about beating a map they got carried hard by 2 Fencingchads, relieving them of enemy pressureHelmet hard siege mode; everyone got their helmet through randoms using Fencing, all Blockniggers got decked by wave 9+Hard strats; everyone can't beat their map unless the modifiers are too easy and they're dying fast in the first two areas because Blockniggers eat shit easily leading to wipes and wasted sessions
>>544045184>fishing for perfect blocksNigger, it's block. You don't need block stacks to do damage, you already have a high damage stat.Just fuckin attack. Build stacks when you know a melee combo's coming your way.
>>544014420if you have the 3 seconds of invincibility perk you can quickly jet pack up and jet pack down on the downed brother and pick him up without getting damaged or staggered.
>>544048553>just swing bro you don't need a plan brolol maybe on average lmao
>>544047885>thinking the bamham parry is better than royalguardSkill issue.Keep spamming gunstrikes all day while I use my full melee moveset.>The moment someone posts codes here you know it's going to be a wipe since the 2-3 players joining are BlockniggersAfter weeklies reset, I can clear the hard weekly with /sm2g/ chads within 3 attempts.Meanwhile the general gets flooded with greentexts of pubs sabotaging hard weeklies. Some anons go all week getting cucked by pubs.Nobody more professional than a /sm2g/player.>Whenever someone brags about beating a map they got carried hard by 2 Fencingchads, relieving them of enemy pressureI regularly carry my pub teams through hard strats actually.>Helmet hard siege mode; everyone got their helmet through randoms using Fencing, all Blockniggers got decked by wave 9+Again, I often have the opposite experience.>Hard strats; everyone can't beat their map unless the modifiers are too easy and they're dying fast in the first two areas because Blockniggers eat shit easily leading to wipes and wasted sessionsYou're thinking of that time they made obelisk a weekly and had a hidden fuckin -77% hp modifier on it.Soulreaper terms already shred you in normal ops, and that first area has massive firing lines. Because extremis spawn with terminus now, you'd get ranged termies hiding behind the helbrute tantrumming in your face, obscuring the now subtle homing missiles and soulreaper bullets that can hit you from outer space and delete all your hp immediately.There was like a 90% chance of a brute spawning at the first elevator, so everyone was wiping to that strat in the first area over and over.You had to get lucky and hope it didn't spawn at the elevator, cause the other terminus spawn points had better areas to fight in, and by then you had momentum.
Pick your poison, which one would you rather deal with?>three thropes>three lictors>three biovores>three raveners>two biovores and any other extremis>put one in yourself
>>544049182>just swingYeah...When the big enemies aren't doing melee attacks to build adrenaline off, just fucking swing at them.Have you ever played an action game with melee combat before in your life?>averageI'm talking hard strats.
>>544049182>block is bad because enemies don't attack you enough but also because enemies attack you too much
>>544051401three thropesi play sniper
>>544051401Raveners and lictors are just straight up fun to deal with.Thropes are fine if they don't start comboing you together with a terminus.The only one I don't want to see is biovore. Annoying as shit, not a challenge, and soaks up a ton of time and ammo if it decides not to unturret.
>>544051401Literally any combination of any other one than zoans.They need to let you melee them like neuros let you do. Either that or fuck off with this retarded rule that meltas do -50% damage to them.You already need to get in melee distance to land them, and that's after you avoided their bullshit beams with a 50/50 chance of hitting you no matter what, or god knows how much of a horde that's surrounding them.Artificial ass difficulty.
>>544051401Thropes, Lictors, and Raveners.Even if the latter two's jumping grapple attack sound can get muffled.
>>5440514015 chaos spawn :-D
>>544052729Biovores and zoans are the worst when im playing a melee class. Biovores spawn mines if you get up close to their face and zoans are just incredibly obnoxious in conjunction with other enemies. Those tracking balls are genuine cancer. I absolutely despise how staggered enemies attacks are.
>>5440514013 Lictors is so much easier than the rest and it's not even funny.
>>544053147Spore mines were already bullshit before biovores, with how they could just spawn behind you and fuck you for half your hp in an instant.If you let multiple biovores do their thing in the background, you're literally constantly having to shoot them out of the way or dodging them, all while you're fighting other shit in your face.It's crazy.To see a problem i used to sperg about a year back, evolve into a disaster, and now it's been a disaster for so long that I'm almost indifferent about it.
>>544055156It was particularly terrible on hard strat exfiltration, I spent some 10 fucking minutes trying to find a window to kill them while getting raped by 4 bioveres.
>>544053467Yeah because lictors actually engage with the melee mechanics the entire game is built around instead of constantly throwing out ranged attacks, spore mines and grabs.Every other extremis is harder because they constantly use attacks that break the game over their knee and fuck you.>zoanthropes will constantly force you to dodge and nothing else for 10 seconds straight with their gay 3-4 ball combo>"melee" terminators will randomly decide to fucking kill you with a point blank storm bolter burst>raveners will try to grab you every 15 seconds>sorcerers will spawn gigantic swarms of homing skulls you can only defeat by shooting while they blast you when you're in the middle of being ganked by 30 chaos spawn>don't even talk about biovores and ranged terminators
>>544047885The reality is that the value from parry staggers, gun strikes, and minoris horde kills on Fencing/Balanced outweighs being able to punch really hard every 10 seconds.
>>544047885>Helmet hard siege mode; everyone got their helmet through randoms using Fencing, all Blockniggers got decked by wave 9+I got it with block on assault fencing/balance ttk is too low in the higher waves
Why is this anon so obsessed with block? It's widely accepted to be the best option after it got changed.
Balanced is the worst right
>>544063427If the weapon in question has massive AOE, it's worth taking on shit like the Thunder Hammer or Power Fist, not worth it on e.g. Chainsword or Power Sword.
>>544063427Yea but it only really matters fighting minoris hordes or 3 lictors/raveners balanced thammer is the best because it has waveclear
>>544063427correct. higest risk, lowest reward
>New Veteran Molecular Bolt shoulder is now the second cosmetic recently released that changes the color of the medallions alongside the shoulder trimOh for fuck sake. They fucked this up with the recent chest with the writing on it too, the one with the chains with shit like "My pledge is eternal service" it.
>>544063427Only idiots sleep on high cleave especially when massive waves are a thing.
Thunderhawk blue looks pretty good for space sharks.
>>544061419unironically because of tribalistic shitflinging. when block first got changed blocktards where high and mighty and would constantly pick fights with fencesissies and vice versa. this scarred many anons psychologically and they are still in the trenches. by now it should be widely accepted that block yields the best results. there is not much to discuss. fencing had a brief return after the 50% damage taken debuff that was applied by perfect parry/dodge was bugged on block and just would not happen at all, but that has been fixed.i personally can´t touch parry anymore since they reworked "perfect parry" condition to only proc on the very last attack of a chain. imo its no discussion at all what to pick on tactical and bulwark because of this. and what the fuck are you even trying to do with assault if you are not using the melee option that deals the most damage, its all you have (+ adrenaline interacts with groundpound)
>>544055156I despise spore mines with a passion. Also for some reason some attacks are going through the iron halo especially from thropes and devourers.
>>544061419Just ignore it. They're both good and have their uses.
BROTHER LOOK OU-
>>544066301these are fucking darktide pcs
>>544051401Am I by myself? Are we in the middle of a fight? Have we already killed a Terminus? What map? 3 Lictors is probably the easiest. If not 3 Thropes. 3 Biovores is making me quit unless I have Meltas or Kraks. 3 Raveners is just aids and so is 2 Biovores with anything else. 1 Biovore with anything else is also aids.
Still not sure with the colors.I kinda prefer the more shiney/firey orange I think.
Almost capped out on accolades. So far the new heroics look like shit at least 80% of them so I'll be spending accolades on the armor pieces instead. Hope they change some of the heroics before release (looking at you HBP) and change the perk on fist because even 100% increase of nothing is still nothing.
I'm just going to say it. I don't like the beakie helmet
>>544068098you are wrong
>>544068098
>>544068098Its fine. Its an acquired taste. Todays 40k has nothing in common with rogue trader anyway
I really wish there was a cleaner, blacker black for armor. Like nuln oil but darker.
>>544068098Maximus is better anyway.
>>544068098You don't like Raven Guard? Sounds awfully close to heresy to me brother
>>544061419>It's widely accepted to be the best optionBy who? A loud minority?
>>544070330If everyone in the Imperium save the Emperor like the taste of their own piss, would you drink it or side with He on Terra? Block is the way no matter how many people make the decision to be wrong.
>>543994172Seriously, why do saber seem to hate assault so much? The class feels like it's just plagued by constant abuse from the devs for some reason.>basically do a little hop compared to the campaign jetpack where you actually go airborne>also got the ability to hover removed in operations specifically for some reason>lost it's HBP and thunder hammer exclusivity>gets fucked in the perk department while classes like tac and vanguard continue to get unique options>occasionally bugged to boot
>>544071278They fear its power *buffs bulwark*
>>544034740>tons of new dialogue lines for every stage>chit-chat and interactions with every other playable personality, the old characters must get a lot of new lines too to accomodate thisI think it's way too much work but I hope I'm wrong.
No way theyre locking this backpack pyre to salamanders this thing would look sick on BT
>>544072462Another example of a cosmetic ruined by Chapter heraldry being slapped onto it. This would have been immense if it were just the torch, but they HAD to put the Sally logo on your back too.
infernopistol nothing-in-mag buff is pretty fun.of course the game decides its time to spawn back-to-back neurothropses though
>>544072613So many small things that just add up, all the tilting shields, purity symbols with smurf symbols among other shit. This really shouldn't be that hard for saber.
do they ever adjust anything after the test server?
>>544074754From my experience reporting bugs constantly? There's shit I've reported since release that's never been addressed. Maybe a quarter of the stuff reported gets changed or fixed.
>>544074754fuck no. there is still stuff in the game that went live on PTS, was found by players and is still in the game.there are also changes, like for example fencing/balanced counting a perfect parry after parriying the -last- hit of a combo instead of right away was implemented 3 patches ago and i´m not even sure if it was a intended nerf to fencing/balanced or just kinda happened on accident.
>>544075271Seems like a usual fuck up that took forever to fix, because the latest PTS has returned it to working on the first parry in the combos. Tacyical's Battle Focus Auspex works again as it used to.
I am shocked, simply shocked, that I am enjoying Vanguard. I was right about using neo volkite for hellbrutes and carnifexes.
>>544075527i´m using block either way, but that was mega ass. it was an issue where i was screaming into the void as well. what really drains me is that on top of saber being incompetent the playerbase of this game are largely retarded yes-men. i legit have never seen a community thats such a blend of retardation and slimy friendliness. but i only posted on the run of the first PTS, lost all hope that my input is valued after that went life with heavies atrocious melee talents.
If heroic fist is released as is that thing is going to be dead in the water. Light attacks literally do nothing and the only upside is the gunstrike perk.
>>544052015block is specifically bad because without the aoe stagger of a parry, it means sequenced attacks will connect outside of the block window and you get fucking dumpstered unless you spend five minutes soulslopping around to funnel them>>544051762>when the adds are all dead, just start swinging at the big monsterwow bud got any other pro gamer moves
>bot customization is just cosmeticsSABERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>544076690they should just remove that entire light/heavy line. a fencing powerfist is already bad, since speed does fuck all for the heavies and cleave is important. no need to further gimp the heavies.
the new bunch of heroics is really dissapointing. the 5 shot instigator is alright i guess. the bolt sniper is probably the best heroic that came out so far, but i dont play sniper. the rest is literal doo doo
>>544076929Perfect blocks continue to have block frames shortly after the animation finishes. You can also block very quickly, so you can actually catch every hit in say a Warrior's 4 hit whip combo. You can even perfect block all of those hits. You also get hyper armor when going for a melee with the double stacked adrenaline, meaning you can eat a hit AND get your armor back AND aoe stun with the explosion through attacks. With fencing and balanced, you can only cause the aoe stun on Majoris with the gun strike, which you can be knocked out of.
I beg your tardon?
>Both of the right shoulder cloaks are Mk6 Corvus under the fabric>Literally both>The camo version and the all black version>Black is non-Phobos only>Camo is Phobos onlyI'm actually getting tired of these Sputniks.
>>544078549Sorry, both are available on all classes, but camo is exclusive to Phobos. Point still stands.
>>544077938They are lackluster because Dmitry believes in sidegrades not upgrades. Normally additional 'higher' tier logically dictates a weapon is overall better than lower tier and in case of heroics they should have some crazy modifiers to them (or at least something that puts them above Relic). However, game's creative director won't have such nonsense in the game because that would be too fun and this is a no-no territory in SM2. Obviously.
>>544044490>yfw they add a single claw>as a relic fist with extra range
>load into normal strat>it's the great responsibility modifier, another player already running so he's got the modifier>he's already taken a bit of damge as expected>pass by a stim, point it out>he refuses to double back and pick it upAnd that's when I quit the match>>544078702Why would you even put camo on anything but sniper though? Seems like it's an Eliminator only thing, aesthetically.
>>544079675We should be able to just slap stimms onto someone else, inventory or immediate.
Reminder that if you wear the beak helmet but don't rep Raven Guard, you are a faggot.
>>544078293Yes I'm aware of the frame data but you're still setting this up in an isolated 1v1 incident, which honestly a useless thought exercise given the nature of this game>only aoe stagger on gunstrikethere's an aoe stagger is centered on the guy you parried, and the gunstrike adds another aoe stagger if you're using certain pistols
>>544079952>animation of you punching a stimpack into a teammates face>frame locks you both and you both proceed to eat shitfuck yeah
>>544079675Raven Guard and Raptors both use cloaks and camos on non-Phobos units.
>>544066301I hate these niggers. They spawn in groups, the number of snipers in each group is random so you don't know how fucked you are until they start shooting and it feels like a waste to use ammo on them.
>>544080248Fair point.It's funny because the cloak shoulders are actually bugged right now, clipping through.
>>544068098VII > VI > V > VIII > IV > Gravis > Tacticus > III > II > Phobos
>>544061419Skubfag detected, opinion discarded.
>>544079675>>it's the great responsibility modifieri always do these solo on normal
Why isn't Rogal Dorn more popular?
>>544078785i disagree. i´m fully on board with the sidegrade VISION because having a clear and cut weapon that is THE best sucks. i´d personally say that the block variant of each melee weapon is the best, but you can see how much discussion there is about that. even the plasma is a succesfull sidegrade, since there are still pros to a relic plasma. with the heroic bolt sniper there are no real cons, its just the best bolt sniper now, the sidegrade completely failed here. and all the melee heroics are just fucking trash.
>>544078350Don't worry, bro. Russians just need to extract your bitcoin wallet for their war effort.
>>544081236>i´d personally say that the block variant of each melee weapon is the bestYou're a moron and retarded, one of the rare instances I agree with a retarded dev like Saber.
>>544081223Because we don't really get defensive fortification-based games that encourage turtling.Imagine if Siege Mod let you build fortifications.
>>544080069It's not relegated to 1v1s. I didn't spell it out, but having block frames after the perfect block means the overlapping attacks of other enemies also get eaten. You can perfect block a gaunt, then see the next 3 attacks in the swarm bounce off your guard. The aoe on a gunstrike still necessitates you landing the gunstrike, and even then, you can still get hit AS you're doing the strike meaning you don't get armor back AND there's no aoe. With block, your attack is guaranteed so long as you don't go down before you can connect.
>>544081223He's a professional jobber. Guilliman is smarter and Lion is the better warrior. Both are better leaders.
>>544081223Still more popular than Iron Losers.
>>544081223Yellow sucks to paint
all the heroic melee weapons are balanced or fencing, checkmate block autistseven saber realizes it's a shit version of melee
invictors chapter assault for the wallthey actually fell to chaos as part of the judged, but the souldrinkers got another shot as a primaris chapter, so why not them as well. i like their colors.
>>544081223his superpower is being boring af
>>544081828they are supposed to be sidegrades. they get additional perks, so you have to nerf them somehow -> give them fencing/balanced
>>544081223He's the jarhead of the loyalist primarchs. He's good for beating his face against something until it dies.
>>544081223he is objectively the worst. not like perturabo, who is objectively the best.
I have HBR, Carbine, Chainsword, and both bolt pistols maxed out and am on prestige 4 for Tact. I want to try more difficult stuff. Am I ready strictly from a gear standpoint? I'm not the best at parrying and I still regularly get my cheeks clapped by chaos spawn in the middle difficulties but everything else is pretty easy.
>>544081871sorry, just noticed the darfk angels symbol on the leg. new version
>>544081504Yeah but the window you're talking about applies to enhanced parry windows for parry weapons. A bunch of little shits can pounce and a single parry restores 3 armor bars.
the pts takes up 80gb?
Bot customization is pretty based.>>544082557Max out plasma and/or flamer for a good time.
small indie company bros
>>544082997It's literally the full game + the unfinished update.
>>544082557Plasma and flamer are good as the other anon said, stalker is also a nice and reliable long range headshot machine; I completed this week's hard strat with it.
>>544083351>Bot customization is pretty based.I made all mine look like different members of a kill team. Took them long enough to do something like this.
>>544082857Oh, I didn't know that! So I guess Fencing still has a niche, that being conditions with overwhelming minoris. Block works, but you if miss time it, you'll just be doing basic blocks and getting more engulfed and the explosion only gives back one bar I think.
>>544083940>different members of a kill teamChadly.
>>544083450Nothing wrong with that. It's a biological organism, it can make mistakes.
im done with this. im going to buy power wash simulator and play that instead
>crossplay off>never find games>crossplay on>clueless consoletards that can't do anything but block botsfuck's sake
