Previous: >>544166674>Falcom Gameshttps://pastebin.com/DsiJppXk>Pastebin (aka music)https://pastebin.com/G2mswYCt>Extra Stuff (guides, downloads, undub patches)https://pastebin.com/n2G4xL5s>Games, mods, saves, pre-patched translationshttps://nyaa.si/user/Ganbahttps://nyaa.si/view/1749605https://nyaa.si/view/1749617>Translation patches for Hajimari, Oath in Felghana, Kuro 1 and Kuro 2https://pastebin.com/g7PfH0bL>Kai MTL patchhttps://files.catbox.moe/ygv0l2.7zUPDATED: 10/11>Ys vs. Trails in the Sky: Alternative Saga is availablehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1794880/Ys_vs_Trails_in_the_Sky_Alternative_Saga/>Trails in The Sky 1st Chapter is availablehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3375780/Trails_in_the_Sky_1st_Chapter/>Edia to port PC-Engine Ys, Dragon Slayer and The Legend of Xanadu games to modern platformshttps://www.gematsu.com/2025/09/edia-to-port-pc-engine-ys-dragon-slayer-the-legend-of-heroes-and-the-legend-of-xanadu-games-to-modern-platforms>Automaton interview with Kondo regarding Sky remake and the future for the serieshttps://automaton-media.com/articles/interviewsjp/kiseki-20250901-355966/>Ys X: Proud Nordics coming west in early 2026 for Switch 2 and PChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjgJnBtV-j4 >New Interviews with Kondohttps://www.a9vg.com/article/235712https://dengekionline.com/article/202508/50197>The Legend of Heroes: Trails beyond the Horizon New Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQELYrJXO-A >Trails beyond the Horizon is coming to Switch 2 and delayed to January 2026https://www.gematsu.com/2025/06/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-beyond-the-horizon-adds-switch-2-version-delayed-to-january-2026-in-the-west
Gross.Almost as gross as a guy called "Epstein" giving a small girl one of his silly god-engines with the effect that she gets to wear a skimpy outfit.Luckily this doesn't happen. Would also be silly, almost like Zin and Walter casually partying together or a Gralsritter of the Church walking around with an Ouroboros Enforcer.
>>544388419Footage of Altina piercing me with her magnum dong
>>544388419you think that's bad? (((epstein))) turned a little girl into a cat pervert thief wearing a bdsm outfit.
Can't get my head around how half-assed this is.CS4: "All will return to primordial nothingness."Uh-oh! Must be the point of the Orpheus FINAL Plan!Kuro I: "Everything will come to an end."Ah, the stage is set for the series' 2nd half.Kuro II: Look at this erosion! We will create a new world!Also KII: Well now let's forget about all of that, it was just a distraction. Now enjoy your school festival. There's also a two-room dungeon made of floating blocks.Pissed af, immediately start Kai. Grandmaster in the OP? Anniversary title? Looks promising.Endless cutscenes. Ominous hints. Feet dragging for 100 hours.And then: Oh, by the way, the world will end and souls whatever.AND NOBODY CARES.Nobody reacts to that statement. They act like it's a trivial remark about the weather.IMAGINE THAT IRL. You get the news that earth will fall into the sun tomorrow, and yeah, why bother. It's not a big deal.BUT! The history of Grimcatz! And Maxim's relationship issues! That's what's important!Really what the fuck? This is a failure of the director and writer. Endless teasing for years; when it's about time it's more endless teasing, and then nobody even gives a damn.You know when they did best? When they shocked and surprised you. Like at the end of Sky (I) or more recently with Creil (that was unexpected).On the other hand, this is a failure of handling a key part of the story. Endlessly whipping up hype, and then teasing you into oblivion and acting like it's not a big deal to cap it all off. Hamilton and the rest act as if it was irrelevant public knowledge.Games became 3D and the effort went increasingly into optics and "normie appeal" instead of credible plot and character crafting. Don't think it's just a JRPG issue. That's why I'm impressed by the original Xenoblade -- I think they still had it.(And then they milked it into oblivion.)
>>544391201All of the previous outfits were modest, Judith is just a pervert.
>>544388241>>544388419Holy sex
>>544391692Kai didn't have a director. He directed the remake.
nadia rizz
>>544391692Falcom has been trivializing their own stakes for a long time. Le evil expansionist empire was actually just under a curse, le blood and iron chancellor was just trying to heroically and self-sacrificially defeat the curse, because we can't have an actual empire acting out of geopolitical self-interest. Le super secret super strong Ouroboros are observers and powerlevel testers 95% of the series, including in Sky where most of the game is just them running "experiments" (but at least Weissman followed through with his plan unlike the rest of his gay little society). Le gigachad billionaire mega-patriot Dieter was actually just being used by his dyke daughter who is actually a 500 year old witch who doesn't give a shit about Crossbell and barely has any connection to the overarching plot besides KeA (this is still the stupidest twist in the series, worse than anything CS or Calvard ever did). Falcom has always been bad at delivering on their stakes and writing consequences into their stories, they have only ever been good at buildup.
>>544391692Yeah it's insane how hard quality dipped in Calvard.Remember when a civil war broke out at the end of CS1 and actually remained relevant, causing thousands of casualties throughout CS2?Joshua leaving Estelle behind to go on a killing spree and actually staying away from the party for 2/3rd of SC?Crossbell being engulfed in a gigantic cube and essentially being a warzone for the entire final chapter of Azure?Falcom forgot how to write a payoff to their build-up sometime between Cold Steel and Daybreak.>>544396341Vankid try not to make Calvard writing complaints about Cold Steel challenge: Difficulty Impossible
>2 hours>10 posts/fg/ doesn't deserve a general let us return to the occasional /v/ threads
>>544397970sorry for not being active bro, i'm watching the TND event in jamaica
>>544397000>Remember when a civil war broke out at the end of CS1 and actually remained relevant, causing thousands of casualties throughout CS2?No>Joshua leaving Estelle behind to go on a killing spree and actually staying away from the party for 2/3rd of SC?No, he just stole an airship>Crossbell being engulfed in a gigantic cube and essentially being a warzone for the entire final chapter of Azure?No, the whole thing was more of a scuffafle than a legitimate war if you ask me.
Don't reply to me, retard.
>>544398852Okay
>>544398216You really hate Kiseki, why are you here?
>>544400049You should ask that to every single user that frequents this dump.
>>544401328So you're mad at anons for disagreeing with you and are lashing out at kiseki as a whole, got it.Are you the same Cold Steel hater from last thread? I'm starting to notice a pattern here.
Broskis if I wanna try out cold steel again should I start over or play starting at cs3, I left off mid cs4
>>544388419>Would also be silly, almost like Zin and Walter casually partying together or a Gralsritter of the Church walking around with an Ouroboros Enforcer.Wouldn't that be silly, haha...
>>544402642just play cs4 again? have you forgotten entirely what happened leading up to it?
>>544402883I remember c1 and c2 pretty well But cs3 is a bit murky
>>544403015cs3 is long, i guess you can do a quick run to refresh your memory if you abuse turbo and shit
Kai 2 will be Their Game and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>544402408Making lots of assumptions there, buddy. Also I don't understand what got you so riled up, I don't think I was even being that critical, I just was pointing out the ridiculous statements that that anon made it.
Ragecuck asshole status?
love renny
whatever happened to rennyfag anyway, is he still alive or did he finally off himself
>>544405918ah yes, a Trails of Subhumans enjoyer.
>>544402642Throwing yourself neck first into the pointy edge of a knife seems to be the best way to enjoy cs.
>>544406486vankid, calm down.
Touch the cowDo it now
>>544405145Why are you assuming that I'm "riled up"? Is that what you intended with your post? You should've expected someone to call you out for entering the falcom general and mindlessly shitting on the series.
>>544406327He left. Some say he was bullied outta here. Idk how true that is.
I want the next mc to be from north ambria and he actually kills ppl and we start playing him when hes like a kid with some of his merc Jaeger friends and we spend the first like 15 hours with them and then they finally get killed by the empire or something
>>544408527Granted, but they only get 1 game like Kevin/Rufus.
>>544408634It better be 90 hours long
>>544408698Very well.
>>544408527>>544408634It ends with an unwinnable boss fight against Rean and Valimar, who kill the MC. This takes place between CS2 and CS3.
>>544408805Very well again
>>544408805In the end anons its all about the journey and the progressively more toxic mc as everything starts to crumble around him
>>544409414Yeah, I just want a real edgelord, or an ultra nationalist. Someone interesting, not tame and progressive.
Post protagonists without a game to star in
honestly I just want a genuine asshole mc that keeps getting punished trying to break his morale and ideals but his arrogant keeps him true until the real heroes of the story realize there is so saving this guy or spareing him they have to kill him, then they get all depressed thinking maybe he could have changed but no lol there's no way he was a real one who would never falter in his evil ways
Evening in Arteria--Orestes leaves her throne and takes out the small, round device Epstein gave her before she merged him with a demon.A button is pushed and she transforms -- from the leader of the Septian Church to the Grandmaster of Ouroboros.
>>544391692Kuro 2 and Kai didn’t have kusano as director. Sky the first had him as director again since Kuro 1
You're wrong. I am busy at the moment and will explain laterDirected to the idiot thinking knowing practitioners of a school is knowing shit about the school itself.
Did Cassius like singlehandedly fight back the entire empire
>>544410407Yes. He took out his big stick and every Erebonian dicklet went limp immediately.
>>544409986based edgelordi am also tired of moralfag protagonists and storytelling, give us edgekino, kondom
>>544410407Cassius and 20 good fishermen, that's all it took.
Will this major plot point ever be addressed again. Since Agnes was late.
>>544410407No. The ending of FC refutes this notion entirely. Cassius is only one man, the people who saved Liberl were the people of Liberl working together. By himself Cassius couldn't have saved the day.
>>544410625
>>544410987Agnes was spanked, i've seen the evidence.
This Richard guy is kinda evil
>>544411060>>544411632Everybody wants a piece of Chadssius Thunderbright.
>>544411732He really is Richard's GOAT.
>>544409986>>544410872When will you learn Falcom will never do this.
"Laevatein is there,In Laegjarn[Loki]'s chest by Sinmora,And nine locks fasten it firm".Wild guess-- it's really a guess and not a spoiler--Mare is Yume (dream) from the future or a past world.I guessed that the first time when she got hijacked in Longlai (Mare's haircut also looks similar to Paulette's) but back then it felt too outlandish.And I'm pissed at the mere idea. This has an unoriginal, cheap Saturday morning cartoon aura to it.I always assumed that the Grandmaster was the one with a plan (Orpheus) to guide people's souls away from a doomed world and that she was putting people to the test with her designs.However, I also assumed that this was a singular event tied to the exploitation of orbal energy (would fit with the TLoH game Kondo worked on prior to Trails) and a repeat of the Great Collapse and not some "you were a grasshopper in the previous life" eso trip.It also totally doesn't fit with the events and philosophy from the first two arcs.My big fear is that these really intellectual and decent games get subjugated to a tired and cheap overarching plot.I have accepted that there's no going back to that quality but digging them out of their graves and mocking the struggles of these characters -- that is beyond the pale.So I'm in the bunker and this cool final dungeon theme is playing. After Kuro II I'm half expecting that things end there despite the trailer/OP, but it's probably too small and not a good stage for the final battle. Final chapters of Sky II or Azure were massive efforts but nowadays you expect things to be shambolic and half-assed. If my rants annoy you (I pay) keep in mind that I try to lower my expectations and hence frustrations.Would also be sad because the premise of Kuro was cool with some "older" protagonist having that fancy armor and a reformed battle/orbment system. If the writing would match past levels it would rock. Of course, all better than 95% of other games.Well, bring it on Falcom...
Haha...Richard...
>>544411161As in fan art or some reference in the game itself?
>>544411060>>544411632>>544411867>>544412145The final scene with Cassius and Richard honestly hit pretty hard>Wake up, Richard!>Your biggest delusion is letting yourself create this delusion about me!>With all that talent, why didn't you stand on your own two feet??>I left the army because I trusted it would be safe in your hands!Cassius is everybody's dad in this series.
>>544412671Richard x Cassius is peak yaoi fuel
>>544412604Fan art but it's canon in my mind.
If alba turns out to be bad im going yo be so pissed off
>>544412897That’s fair if there’s enough fan art of something there must be a hint of it.
>>544411994Are you retarded ?
idk im thinking this olivier dude is sus
>>544412776That's Weissmann and Joshua. Richard is more the chad who ends up with the ugly girl. You can tell Sky was written for girls.
>>544414870Shojo.....
>>544410872Van was the closest you’ll ever get to this and you saw how that went. Things aren’t as extreme as they were in cold steel but they still will be like that.
>>544415209You mean Kevin. Van is just another faggot goody two shoes.
>>544414982Don't forget about how Agate and Olivier are straight out of a reverse harem. It wouldn't have been a stretch for Estelle to be able to pursue them. And also how Julia is written as a reliable senior that also is more butch because she can't be tempting the boys away from Estelle.
>>544415814No.....
I still find it funny how Van, with his freaking toy sword, has gutted more people onscreen than the guy with a literal murder tool that is a katana
I still find it funny how no one can ever praise Van without bringing up Rean
Rean is stuck in Skytroons and vankids heads more than the mcs in their own favorite arcs. It’s quite uncanny
>>544415814
People here who thought Rean would kill or is the type to kill did not read the dialogue in the games. But I’m not surprised only the sped and super adhd flock here because they get shitted in by their bad opinion on Reddit
>>544416346>has gutted more people onscreenAll of it was rewound. The protagonist on-screen kill count is:Estelle: 0Kevin: 1 (Weissmann)Lloyd: 1 (Accidentally destabilised Joachim)Rean: 3 (Vulcan's death by Rean, winning the rivalry against Rutger, winning the rivalry against Osborne)Van: 0
>>544416882We love Julia here
>>544413973Agnes is topping the "sluts that need to be spanked" charts after Kai anyway, my headcanon will manifest into reality.
>>544416985Rufus killed Lianne in CS4.
>>544416882NPCs can love Julia, but not the main boys. Imagine if she charmed Joshy away from Estelle.
>>544417228She's too powerful.....
>>544417157Oh yeah, that counts as well. Always forget Rufus.
does killing zombies count though?
>>544417228Estelle has probably masturbated to that thought lmao
I didn't know rean was cool like that wtf
>>544416985Rean has 0.Vulcan committed suicide. It can't even be called assisted suicide.Rutger and Osborne were zombies, do not count.
>>544417081Manifesting stuff into reality works with sheer force of will if enough people want it.
Now things get interesting. Did they randomly choose the name or do they broadcast some shady stuff?
>>544407507Cute cow
>>544417854Yes. Osborne was gonna stick around and kill everyone.
>>544418084His mech only got that bad because of Rean. He's got 3.
>>544417921Estelle masturbated to the thought of Julia herself
>>544417921>>544418783No....stop....
Estelle canonically entertains the possibility of keeping a candid photo of Julia, and blushes while thinking about it
>>544416982If he's not the type to kill, then why the hell he brandish a weapon who's primary functionality is to kill?
Lies!
>>544416985Osborne was technically offscreen too, actually.
>>544419324Being able to kill and not killing is martial arts 101 man. It's all about discipline to them. You barely hear about deaths attributed to them these days.
Color scheme = PopeTwo snakes = leader of two organizationsCreha came a long way, and wrote Sunshine Agnes on top of that, too.Bermotti = 1st Anguis5th Anguis = the Sinner, Valis; boss of the martial arts woman and the lazy old guy7th Anguis = Kincaid----- Nope, it's ArianrhodGo and ask Latoya. Piece of cake.Cedric: Protagonist of the final Trails game.Campanella: Doesn't age because there are hundreds of him. Every month the Grandmaster aka Orestes has another of them timetravel from a possible future (Campanella is actually the son of Agnes and Odette created by ovary fusion) and then Orestes Rem Ordine Di Quarius Dominador kills the last and sells his organs/stem cells.And now for the great mystery: Who's that right behind you?The universe is a quantum wave function.(This already sounds like Modern Falcom.)It's just slightly different to a version of Zemuria that is controlled by degenerate Atztec headhunters. If you live in Zemuria-- There's an Atztek Khorne priest standing right behind you, just a Planck length out of phase with your reality.
Kondo here, what the fuck did you just write
Kino that's what
>>544420290He asks Gemini to come up with esoteric walls of text about Kisekiit's kinda boring since he never engages with anyone can't really defend a postulation you did not come up with yourself
Love my beautiful, cute, loving, supportive, caring, and adorable wife
>>544388419Ugh Altina has the sexiest outfits
Playing the series in order drives home how generic Sky's worldbuilding really was in light of the later games. It just seems silly to return to Liberl's random bunch of self-taught heroes with no school of martial art or swordsmanship to them after Crossbell and particularly Cold Steel.In Crossbell and Cold Steel, you've got characters who graduated from Military Academies and spent their entire lifes in training halls to master the way of the sword, you've got established schools of swordsmanship (Vander, Arseid, One Blade Eight Leaves), established schools of spearmanship (Schleiden, Nord), martial arts for crowd control (Crossbell Police Academy), and people with a background of military training (Randy, Noel, Fie, Sara).While in Liberl, you've got guys like Agate <the Heavy Blade> who made a name for himself by swinging a big, heavy sword around with no proper training or style of swordsmanship. You've got random Bracers using whips and sticks fighting on par with Ouroboros Enforcers in the same game Ouroboros was introduced as a dominating force. It's all so silly.Agate has absolutely no business being on Rean's or Laura's level once he's reintroduced after their post graduation timeskip both of them have spent arduosly honing their swordsmanship.
Duvalie.....
The Bullied is the town bicycle of Zemuria
>>544419635Swordsmanship is the pratice of murder. Fancy with all the pretty words you want, that's the absolute truth.
>>544421890so many reanspics that don't know about this kino and get offended rean never has to deal with hard choices and think wah you're just crying over killing one of the best OVA ever
>>544421803To be the town bicycle she has to be a non-virginDuvalie will die a virgin like Lianne
>>544418627He wanted to kill himself. Zombies don't count.Rean has 0 bodies.
Rean killed Altina's virginity so he has a body count of 1
>>544421890If kiseki was written even 1/2 as well as tsuiokuhen it would be a bona fide masterpiece and one of the greatest video game series ever
>>544422429He wouldn't have died then if he lost the fight. The Rivalries are also described as deathmatches in game. He's got 3.
>>544422429>He wanted to kill himself.Doesn't change that Rean killed him.>Zombies don't count.The zombies could have been revived into non-zombies so they count.
>>544421890Do you get mad at armies that never wage war anymore.
Could readn beat up estelle
Let us take a minute to mourn those who have fallen through the course of the series:Loewe...Saltman...Joachim...Pater-Mater...Roan...Comrade G...Comrade V...Market Manager Otto...Black Alberich.../Franz...Rutger...Arianrhod...Osborne...
>>544422612>>544422597Rean winning a robot duel and the guy inside the robot wanting to blow it up to kill himself is entirely on him.Rean would never, ever shut up about Vulcan if he truly believed he killed him. This is as stupid as saying Rean killed Crow because he weakened him in their duel thus allowing Testa Rossa to land the killing strike.>if the zombies weren't dead then he would have killed them!Okay, but they were already dead lmaoSo yes, 0 bodies.Rean could have killed Rufus or Cuckdric, and he ends up not killing either of them.Lianne I'm not sure about. She just reincarnates, memories and all, around the same time Osborne does, watches him cuck her again, and I guess is killed by Rufus? Lianne also looked like a young woman while Dreichels was on his deathbed just because lmao
>>544423004Arianrhod....come back.....my lord.....mommy.....
>>544421041her bottom right look makes me hard every time...i wish i was that instrument
>>544422951Shota Rean would defeat Estelle.
>>544422951Nope, Rean loses to a no-name cop. She'd lose to someone that has trained under THE Divine Blade himself.
They should have killed off Juna, have the SSS show up in CS4, inform them of Juna's death, and have them go "who??"
>>544423128>Rean winning a robot duel and the guy inside the robot wanting to blow it up to kill himself is entirely on him.Rean landed the finishing blow so he killed Vulcan. If Rean forced Rutger and Osborne into becoming his squires they could have been revived, so he killed them.
>>544423128He robot being able to go crazy like that only happens because Rean and Valimar fucked it up. If they lost that fight, Vulcan would live a bit more. The Rivalries are deathmatchs. Osborne was 100% going to live to complete his plan if he beat Rean.
people die when they are killed, it's wrong.
>>544423542If Osborne beat Rean he was just going to pull a Normal Ending Rean.
>>544421890Rules and limits keep us from being animals though.
>>544423212I would do anything for an Altina blowjob
>>544423736He needs to be alive first right after that fight. So yea, Rean did kill him.
>>544421245Cumdoll
why isblloyd so strong
>>544421245We're never getting this type of stuff again
>>544423417Vulcan decided to stay in the robot that was about to go up in flames.Vulcan killed himself as evidenced by Rean trying to save him.>>544423542Rean, Rufus, Cuckdric and Lianne (?) are not walking deadmen kept sentient by the Rivalries.Rean has to defeat Osborne as he is Ishmelga's Awakener.I don't recall if they ever said you can squire more than one person, and in the end it would not have mattered as Crow survives because of the Sept-Terrion power bullshit, not directly because Rean squired him. And it only had enough power to bring one person back. I don't even know why you want to make Rean a killer so bad. You think it makes him cooler or a better character? You and I know, or you'd know if you played Cold Steel, Rean would never ever in a million fucking years let go of the fact he killed someone. He'd torture himself over it every chance he got. So no, he did not anybody. He feels bad he caused the Great Twilight to happen and at the start or Reverie he heavily questions whether a person like him deserves to be happy because he knows what he did got people killed in the war, but he didn't kill anyone himself. Again, he would never stop talking about it. Any time he saw flames or an explosion, he'd go:"Vulcan...no...NO!!!" and have some PTSD flashback Altina or someone would have to snap him out of.
>>544423909i want to taste her lips
>>544423394lmaowouldn't work anyways, randy knew who she was from the start of cs3.
Imagine Altina farting real hard in your face...
>>544424449Skimpy skintight bodysuits are core to Altina's character. Next Rean game will give her one.>>544424492Her lips are soft and sweet
>>544425326nuFalcom won't allow it.....
>>544425326Altina awakening in Kai 2 please kondom
>>544425436Too much worku
>>544426139ok i'll settle for s-craft and maybe a costume, please kondo-chan
>>544426290Haha....pleaseu understand....we are busy makingu Xanadu
>>544421890dont get why you played the rest of the cold steel games if Rean wasnt the murdery protag you crave for? It just sounds like your forcing yourself to play a series that doesnt appeal to you.
>>544424632Easily fixed by rewriting the script to have Randy and the rest of new branch Thors treat Juna as a weird stalker with no friends
Someone PLEASE talk me out of replaying Cold Steel 1-3 before playing 4.
>>544426965It will take you more time that you could spend playing a good game after you are done with 4.
>>544426965Okay. Cold Steel bad. Play better games.Does that help?
>>544396341>Le evil expansionist empire was actually just under a curse, le blood and iron chancellor was just trying to heroically and self-sacrificially defeat the curseThese are both significant improvements.
>>544426828Told ya lmao>>544422090
>>544424485Vulcan was not able to escape the robot that Rean caused to blow up, killing him. He wanted to die, but being suicidal doesn't change that Rean killed him. By making Osborne and Rutger squires they would have survived long enough to get revived by the sept-terrions. It also didn't only have enough power to revive one person. It could have easily revived Rutger, and it would have been a challenge but could have revived both Osborne and Franz.
>>544426965Replay 1, then go straight to 4. Also, doesn't each game have a tab that goes over the previous one.
>>544426828sunk cost. Plus vankids and skytroons have to migrate here since they get downvoted on reddit for being the loud minority
>>544397970We were on life support pre hack. It's only gotten worse. the other place is outright dead
>>544426965Just watch the recaps in 4, going through 3 absurdly long as fuck games again just to play one of the longest game in the series sounds like a massive chore.
I think particularly when it comes to CS some of the problems certain people have with it has nothing to do with the actual game and more so an idea they have about this series that doesn’t really exist, although at the same time I do think fans of this series at least in the west have a serious problem with toxic positivity.Me personally what I get out of stories and what most fans get out of is different and I don’t confuse knowing about tropes with having actual arts literacy. I always approach with a “critical mindset” but most people who say that don’t know the first thing about what good storytelling is. That being said there are things about pretty much every kiseki game that I don’t like but when I interact with something what I ask myself is what is it trying to achieve, did it do that, and do I find it interesting. The answer is usually yes when it comes to this series. There’s no such thing as having no flaws.
>>544397970blame the janny erptroon unironically
>>544426965Cold Steel is basically the same as Sky and Crossbell, just with a different coat of paint. You would do yourself a major disservice by not playing them, especially if you want to try Reverie/Daybreak, since the events of CS4 especially are crucial to those games. Cold Steel has the most vocal detractors because it is both the newest (for one more month...) and most popular arc. That happens with most fandoms. Plenty of people (myself included) absolutely adore the arc, with CS4 and Reverie being right up there alongside Azure and SC as my favorite games in the franchise.
>>544428223Why are you so insisting on pushing this narrative onto others? You people are schizos that don't read the problems others have with a game you like and just assume shit about them. It's fucking weird. And you do this shit ALL the time, get blown the fuck out, and here you are again spewing the same shit anyone bored can refute.Do you not get tired of it?>>544427289>Vulcan was not able to escape?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPj-bAdnWHoSource? He fights Rean because he assumes he is on the same level as C. Also, he wanted one last all out fight and knew the Goliath would explode. Vulcan goads Rean into a fight he wanted regardless of whether he won or lost just go out with a bang. You did not play CS2.What part of having to beat Osborne do you not get? He pilots Ishmelga. Rean could not squire him. And Rutger probably would have died, permanently, regardless. You're assuming it could have easily revived him, but I'm not so sure.The script says it turns the sword into biomass, or the body Millium inhabits in Reverie. For Crow, Roselia makes his vessel accept his soul and transfers Millium's soul from the sword to her body. Valimar and Ordine said they only had power for one final miracle.AND, the more time someone spends as an immortal, the harder what they did is. Osborne, a dead man, would die truly and the same is very likely the same of Rutger. And even if it were not, he was a dead man and Rean did not kill him.
Can you just imagine how sexually pent up Rean must constantly feel having to watch Altina walk around looking like this all day everyday, and then NOT being able to do anything about it until after-hours? The amount of times he must have to masturbate or use her body to relieve himself must put rabbits to shame.
>>544431062I literally said the west is too toxic positive sometimes and said all the games have flaws. You just hate that people can “like” cold steel and Rean like it’s some kinda sin and say “schizo” when they are just talking about it.
>>544431563Stop posting lust provoking images man, I'm at work!
>>544428367if you really think someone is abusing their power take it to the IRC and he'll be removed like I did with Gayorg years ago lol
>>544432415don't browse 4cuck at work then
>>544432713It's a bit boring though
>>544431563Girls pants should never go past their butt cheeks if they want to cover their legs they should wear skirts.
>>544431062He set things up in a way that he wasn't able to escape after Rean lands the finishing blow. That's why the only way Scarlet was saved was Rean actively trying to save her. Rean killed him.Osborne could have been squired easily.Rutger is the non-Crow/Millium character most likely to be saved by the Sept-terrion as he only became an immortal around the same time Crow would have. So if Rean squired him then he would have survived. Furthermore, Millium's body at the end of Cold Steel 4 was something Franz worked on in secret, the sword did not turn into her body. Osborne would be very unlikely to become a mortal but it's not impossible and Kiseki is a series where miracles happen so he'd live. Even Arianrhod would probably end up living if she was able to be squired.
>>544433260This. 100%
>>544428223>I don't confuse knowing about tropes with having actual arts literacyNo, instead you confuse fence-sitting with intellectuality, and overlooking obvious, intuitively bad writing with art literacy. >it's not the POINT of the game bro it was TRYING to be retarded bro you just didn't get the PURPOSE of the game bro actually you having standards for writing is what's FAUX-intellectual bro me on the other hand I just take it for what it is and that makes me OBJECTIVE bro you don't understand art CRITICISM bro I've read Sontag and Barthes in art history class so I know how to CRITIQUE PROPERLY broI've seen your kind too often, I am not fooled, I am familiar with your cowardly, dishonest, pseudo-intellectual, midwit, reddit-tier game. Cold Steel is poorly written and no amount of coping or whitewashing or straddling the middle ground will ever change that.
>>544428367I seriously doubt that's why this place is dead.
>>544433260Girls Altina's bodytype and age shouldn't cover their legs, it's a disservice to their immense sexual appeal (unless they're wearing pantyhose)
>>544381815Let's go over this conversation again.You think Sky's world building is generic. In some sense, you're right, because as the first entry in a 20+ year series, it had to lay ground work and thus generic worldbuilding alongside it, explaining the countries of Zemuria and Zemuria itself, orbments, septium, the Sept-Terrions, Aidios and the church etc.To say that this generic worldbuilding is weaker than Crossbell and Cold Steel because of its description of fighting styles is crazy. You then pivot when I said we barely know anything about these schools. I never denied any of the stuff you mentioned, like practitioners, or the fact we of more forms for the 8 Leaves, but I'm pretty we at the very least know that Richard fights using the Fifth Form of the 8 Leaves by 3rd. SC also expands on Taito and several of its users, things you think are "non-generic" and thus I assume good worldbuilding. In Crossbell, we know Arios uses the second form and Lloyd's first craft gets an upgrade in Azure following principles of the First Form, Helix. But knowing the name of a certain form without the basic underlying principle or guiding philosophy of that school is next to worthless. Thus why I brought up the Tita example: to me it is ridiculous that you'd actually found it more believable a little girl is using an orbal cannon well because her mother taught her an imaginary style of using it. It's a fucking anime game. We barely know anything about the 8 Leaves, the Arseid school, the Vander school, court fencing or any other martial art brought up in Cold Steel. We know it has practitioners and that's it. Name me a single form of the fucking Schleiden school. Its guiding philosophy and principles. That's what I meant by saying we barely know anything other than their names, the weapons you can use with said school and for the 8 Leaves, the form and that YFK made an amalgam of Eastern sword techniques. And where did Eastern wank over fighting begin? Oh yes, in Sky.
>>544433508nta, but you sound like the most unhinged vankid/skytroon lol. It just sounds like you forgive other arcs for doing similar tropes that cold steel does yikes and think your OPINION is objective lmao
Five (5) (V) (Go) (五) (ご) cute facts about Towacutest!:1. She is canonically atowable!2. She is mai Kiseki-fu!!3. I love her!!!4. Towacutest!!!!
>>544435205Towa is my wife!!!!!
>>544402831Multiple enforcers.
>>544434504To make a final point with your practitioners bullshit: Laura and Kurt are both sword autists that want to get stronger. You might think this is a dismissive statement, but it is the truth. They have differing origin points for wanting to be stronger, Laura to live up to her father and carry the Arseid name, and the Sandlot name she can now associate with Arianhrod, and Kurt because he dislikes how he likes, wants to be strong likes brother and to restore the pride he feels Osborne tore from his family and him. So what? Do any of the games explore this obsession meaningfully? No, they don't. At least not in the main story segments where, in a game like CS, if the writers are doing their jobs they'll want you to spend time with a character they worked on and Kurt and Laura have the personalities of wet towels, so no, they did not appeal to me particularly.I just think it's silly that you'd seem the type to actually think good worldbuilding would be something like the next arc's MC practicing the fucking Scringle McDoogal style of boomerang throwing, and specializing in its third form, Moonson Dingo. Because that's just a word salad of nonsense that means nothing without context, explanation of the boomerang techniques, how they're supposed to aid the practitioner in a fight, etc.We just have a fundamental disagreement on what we consider good worldbuilding.
>>544435295Haha I think Unlitcrow is the one who wrote the absolutely golden fanfic with the "If only he’d known what a vagina looked like" line.
>>544434450indeed
>>544434504>>544435361Vankid...
>>544435623Kek
>>544433330He doesn't set anything up.Again, what's your source? I included a video for a reason.In none of Vulcan's dialogue does he mentioned he is trapped. He just wants a good fight before killing himself. He knew he could push the Goliath to its limit to blow himself up. He made no attempt to escape. Rean did not kill him.We don't know at what time Rutger was made an immortal. We know that ever since the end of 2 the Zephyr guys were keen on reviving him, so he could have been alive longer than Crow. I'm not even sure where you're getting Rean could squire more than one person, or if Rutger would have even accepted. Franz was an immortal for more than ten years, like Osborne, so no, you're wrong; he is the one that says the same method would not work for.Script says the sword will be turned to biomass and that the soul would be affixed to the sword. I know there is a Millium body in Reverie, but that is almost word for word what the script of IV says. Look it up. >>544431790You did not say anything about toxic positivity in your previous post and you do not know the words of hypocrisy and irony if you would not consider yourself one of them.You again failed to read what I said and assumed shit about me like a schizo. You do this shit all the time. Why do you always do this song and dance where you think you know better than someone else, than turns out you don't and the other person knows that they're talking about, and all you can say is "well it's not perfect but some people like it." What do you think you're bringing to these conversations?
>>544436728>He doesn't set anything up.He purposefully uses an experimental mech that he knew wouldn't be able to handle the action and would blow up. >We don't know at what time Rutger was made an immortal.After CS2. Rutger is revived between CS2 and CS3. We know this because Xeno and Leo say they're trying to bring back the boss in the Infernal Castle.>I'm not even sure where you're getting Rean could squire more than one person,We know he can because he's in the process of squiring Arianrhod before Rufus kills her.>Franz was an immortal for more than ten years, like Osborne, so no, you're wrong; he is the one that says the same method would not work for.It's not impossible, just extremely unlikely. But in Kiseki miracles can happen so the odds would align. > that the soul would be affixed to the sword.It basically means that the sword will sustain her soul until it's returned to the body that Franz prepared.
altina made me cum...
>>544436728Your doing the same thing and telling people that “they didn’t play cs2”
/fg/: Home to the most inane and worthless "discussions" on the Internet>the niche video game character I resonated with is way cooler than the niche video game character you resonated with>heh this means I am better than you>huh I still don't feel better about my life, maybe I should do this again tomorrow
Will JK panties and butts survive this war...
This feels like sabotage in order to try and get the thread destroyed.
>>544438027What war
>>544437475>He purposefully uses an experimental mech that he knew wouldn't be able to handle the action and would blow up.Yes, to kill himself. Proving my point.>After CS2. Rutger is revived between CS2 and CS3. We know this because Xeno and Leo say they're trying to bring back the boss in the Infernal Castle.Yes, that was my point. Learn to read. "Ever since the end of 2 the Zephyr guys were keen on reviving him.">We know he can because he's in the process of squiring Arianrhod before Rufus kills her.I had forgotten that, point taken. Still, you're assuming Rutger would be cool with that and it doesn't seem like his style. But these are baseless assumptions on both our parts.>It's not impossible, just extremely unlikely. But in Kiseki miracles can happen so the odds would align.That's your baseless conjecture. I'll take the words games over your musings.>It basically means that the sword will sustain her soul until it's returned to the body that Franz prepared.And it said the sword would be turned to Biomass. So I don't think so.So to recap, Rean killed exactly 0 people as 2 were already dead and one committed suicide and could have escaped the exploding robot but chose not to.
Sky's worldbuilding is obviously not generic - there is nothing generic about NPC text changing after every event.Sky established this very beloved feature of the Kiseki games and its worldbuilding should be lauded for it.Now shut up, stop arguing and lick the grandmaster's feet.
>>544438192The general is already dead, so it's not like it matters.
>>544438259whatever is happening right now theres a lot to read.
>>544437845don't tell vankidfag and the indian troon that, they'll kill themselves kek
>>544409769Yeah. Analace needs her own game. With a harem of cute girls for bonding events. With writing and character designs from Kirara writers/artists. And sapphic tribbing. Triple tribadism, even.No stinky boys allowed.
>>544438723I'm not reading all that bud
>>544438628That's not the grandmaster. Yume is. but okay
>>544438723He's just replying to himself, tune it out You can tell because only a very specific autistic German ever replies quoting the post line by line to dissect it like it's a thesis
Day 370 of vankid being salty that his favorite arc is being criticized by the Asian fanbase and that cold steel is being talked about
>>544439292I don't understand why you repeatedly associate Islam with autism.
>>544437548lewd
>>544439868He said German anon
>>544440095Yes. I know. I don't understand why he repeatedly associates Islam with autism.
>>544438494>Yes, to kill himself. Proving my point.Except if Rean wasn't around he wouldn't have died. Rean killed Vulcan.>Yes, that was my point. You said you didn't know when he was an immortal. I proved my point by pointing out that he became an immortal at the same time as Crow, meaning he could get revived.>Still, you're assuming Rutger would be cool with that and it doesn't seem like his style.From what it seemed like, Rean could force it on him. He chose not to though, letting Rutger die of his injuries that Rean inflicted on him.>That's your baseless conjecture.Kiseki has a lot of miracles. The true ending even happening was one, so the miracles could have easily continued. They never said it was impossible, just incredibly unlikely. >And it said the sword would be turned to Biomass. So I don't think so.https://youtu.be/sTP402J9jx8?t=3745Please play the games.
>>544440332He didn't mention islam
>>544440856
zutt nutt enjoyers are here?!
>>544440351Nope, Vulcan wanted to die and you failed to prove any of the shit you said regarding him not being able to escape or whatever. Play CS2.Prove to me when Crow was made an immortal, you illiterate fuck. By the time CS2 ends, meaning after Crow's death, Rutger could have been an immortal already. You're again pulling shit out of your ass, the one constant in all your arguments thus far. Rutger was kept alive by the curse and died as a result of losing a rivalry, not because of Rean. And he was a zombie, killed by Randy's father, not Rean.Play Azure. More baseless conjecture and you being an illiterate fuck. >Divine Knights, I stand before you now aschief of the Kin of Earth and implore you:>Run the Sacrament Program of Lost Zem,the Sept-Terrion of Earth!>Rematerialize the sword from its conceptform and convert all remaining energy tobiomass to create a vessel!So Rean, killed 0 people and you need to play games, badly and learn to argue using evidence instead of your fantasies.Do not bother replying.
>>544441031Doobie would kick your ass for even bringing up that joke of a religion.
>>544442104>Doobie would kick your assGIWTWM
>>544441031I don't get it....
by that nigga's logic Van didn't kill Aida since she wanted to die rofl
Who
>>544442478Anon loves Muslims and can't go a day without inserting them into conversation.
>>544442478>>544439868 was simply a joke referring to Germany's very large Muslim population.
>>544441932>Nope, Vulcan wanted to dieDoesn't change he put himself in a situation he thought inescapable so he would die. Play the games.>Rutger was kept alive by the curse and died as a result of losing a rivalry, not because of ReanRean won the rivaliry, killing Rutger. >More baseless conjecture and you being an illiterate fuck.When you play the games you realise that it's very easy to make the impossible possible in Kiseki as long as enough people believe. It ties back to the website for Sky FC.>If many people walk, that place would become a "road"And you're still being a dumbass about Millium? Look at that video, it has the sword being held up to Millium's new body, the sword didn't become a new body for Millium.https://trailsinthedatabase.com/game-scripts?fname=m6010&game_id=9#88>So your dad prepared this, Alisa?>That's right... He must have worked on it in the brief moments when he was himself.Please play the games, they are good. You have officially discredited all of your opinions about Kiseki now that you've revealed with no doubt you haven't played the games.
>autistic German proves he is autistic pottery
>>544442995FCUK YOU REANSPIC
Millium, who is adorable, fun and hilarious, is better than Altina, who is a boring cumdoll.
>>544443210Embarrassing, completely embarrassing.
>>544443260So why didn't she come out during Kai?
>>544443260Millium Orion is a character from the Trails of Cold Steel sub-series. She is cute, funny, and most importantly her back up body was made by Franz, not the Sept-terrions.
>>544443594She is cute and funny!I bet she's also a good cook!Tasting Millium's sweet, salty curry!
>>544443587Falcom's engine can't handle the massive tits Millium canonically has now. It'd lag the game to hell.
>>544443587big booba millium in kai 2, believe!
I! Love! Millium!
>>544443058More like, he proved he didn't play or understand any game from Azure to CS4.
I would rather hear Reanasis sperg about those Kiseki fanfics she obsesses over than more of this fake rant
>>544442995This is probably the same guy that got btfo over Victor saying he got lung cancer because he fought McMeme for so long, but when others checked, no such dialogue existed...What makes some guys ITT just try and force their fanfics? The guy that hates Estelle is another one of those.
>>544445191No fanfic anon around anymore, that's what.
no one hates estelle thouever
>>544445496Some Reanfag does. Quite a bit.
>>544444864jusis gets to motorboat these every night...
One of the positive things about clearing Kai is that you can browse Kiseki Crack again.
>>544444864Very based.Every loli in these series should be a full bonafide woman by the time the final game rolls around.All with heaving breasts, huge pancake asses and thighs so thick they can cut off blood circulation of any body parts in seconds.
>>544446676the guys that have never gotten a single prediction right? they also spent years coming up with "Possible Worlds" theories before Reverie released and everyone saw it was mistranslated patch fanfiction lol
>>544445191I'm all for making fun of people for not playing the games, like how that guy didn't know about how Millium was actually revived but Victor was affected by McBurn.https://youtu.be/bsw4pfVDbuM?t=941https://trailsinthedatabase.com/game-scripts?fname=a2003&game_id=8#94>The Blazing Demon did this to you?!>Yes. His black flames have taken a toll on my respiratory system.>I'm fortunate in that it has only affected my swordsmanship but I don't believe I will ever fully recover
>>544446774t.Xmus Jaxon Flaxon-Waxon
>>544448354Why do women's bodies scare you?
>>544446774No I won't allow that to happen
>>544449630
>>544449630It will happen thoughever
>>544450109>>544450118It won't. I'll see to it.
girls are only hot if they look like a 14 year old. simple as.
>>544421419This should become a pasta. Never stop reminding skybabs and vankids of their place.
>>544450369
>>544451703No....
>All with heaving breasts, huge pancake asses and thighs so thick they can cut off blood circulation of any body parts in seconds.
Latoya qualifies as the ultimate Modern Falcom character: She just does stupid bizarre shit with some silly excuse and she loves to recycle. To cap it off she's to blame for Hamel, because she has achieved a Grandmaster-like tier where nothing happens without her knowledge and approval.Which means Hamel is now to blame on:Human evil.The Curse (TM).Georg Weissmann.Latoya Hamilton.
I had to look up who that was. It's over chat. My mind is finished.
>>544450369>>544450963>>544452696They will all be titcows that even moo and shit.
>girls are only hot if they look like a 14 year old. >simple as.
>>544453450Not if I have anything to say about it.
>>544453450Big boobs would be fine. It's not my personal preference, but it would be fine. However,>huge pancake asses and thighs so thick they can cut off blood circulation of any body parts in secondsThis isn't describing a "full bonafide woman" or "women's bodies."This is describing a hip hop video dancer, e.g. a fat bitch.
>>544453639>>544453825Wrong
>off-topic 3DPD
>>544454004
Latoya is probably a pun on the Idea of Evil in Berserk, she hands out Beherits to random people regardless of how sick they are and controls destiny via causality.
>controls destiny via causality.That sounds godlike. KeAbros, we are being challenged.....
If you don't like big tits, big asses, big thighs and small waists that's fine. Just admit you're low test.
Never forget: don't be like Duke Dunan!
Isn't the level and inventory carry overs for NG+ trivialises the already piss easy games excluding the Sky trilogy?
>>544458932Maybe normies can't into the orbment system and shit
>>544457005>If you don't like... big asses, big thighs... that's fine. Just admit you're low test.
>>544458932I never liked the NG+ concept to begin with, starting with Chrono Trigger.I never want to play a long-ass game twice in rapid succession.
>>544460082t. Low test pedophile
>>544460082I love my student Junie
>>544460684t.J’Dinkalage L’Goodling-Splatt
>cowniggers mad they keep getting mogged by child sex
>>544458932It's NG+ it's supposed to let you do whatever you want. You already beat the game so who cares
>>544461051I feel like I was psyoped by this general into liking this bitch. I didn't care for Tita very much when I first played FC but now she's one of the hottest characters in the series.
>>544461051cowtitGODS run this general, faggot
>>544461051ToT
>>544462742Yes.God i wish lucrezia would rape me
>>544461818everyone in fc is ugly as fuck, unironically cold steel turned her into an absolute semen demon
>>544463708Tita is the hottest girl in the game now that Karna was censored.
>>544463708Wrong.
>>544463708I liked the FC art just fine, I just didn't like Tita as a character. Weak annoying lolis never did it for me. But you are right that she got a massive glowup in CS. Agate and Renne are so lucky...
>>544464923Not a thought in that head...
Why is there such a difference in opinion between west and japan/asia when it comes to calvard arc and Kai? I constantly see people on socials raving about it and calling it “peak” but apparently it has the opposite reaction in most of Japan and Asia. What’s the difference is the west just more forgiving of cliffhangers and Van or is it something else?
https://x.com/nodusfm/status/1983316858960056382>Schera using her whip to bound her tits together on your dick giving you a rigorous paizurikino.
>>544468816olivier pov
I am firmly in the camp of sky was better overall, and for many reasons, I had a bunch of little nitpicks about cold steel that just compounded and wound up hurting it overall. However, reading everything you wrote here, it comes off as "here's what I wanted the arc to be", but you've written it as if it's factual and you're holding some secret knowledge that we should all know. Do you have any supporting evidence to back up these claims, or is this all just wishful thinking in a clickbaity writing style?
>>544468816This would be hot if she wasn't brown.
>>544445496I used to back when my only exposure to her was the XSEED 'translation'
>>544460594It has merit but yeah most games take the lazy route and make it super babby easy mode.
>>544469729Gay
>>544468135Falcom could give westards their morning dump wrapped up in foil paper and they'd think that it's peak 10/10 masterpiece gift giving
>>544474817Only newfags praise Jap taste. Any weeb worth his salt know they have shit taste.
>>544468135While Calvard was factually made with westerners in mind, Jap kisekifags are mostly incel otaku who wanted endless high school self insert harem garbage.
Agnes is kind of a bitch for not having any feelings for Albert or Quatre.
Sky and Crossbell are superior arcs but I will say that CS1 specifically is a very good game. It's light novel as fuck for sure, but it does a great job establishing the most interesting setting in the series to date, introducing the conflicts that would be brought to the fore in later games, the art/animation are shit but the art direction is good, and the music is phenomenal. I'm not saying it was a 10/10 but I do think CS1 was a strong game that gets too much hate for the sins of CS2-4. And honestly even the anime stuff in this game is kino, like Rean awakening his demon form, stuff like that was done really well.
>>544474817>>544475594>>544476220This general is full of schizos today lol
>>544477942You're being a full bitch today lmao
>>544477914Your pretending like reverie isn’t part of the cs arc it is. It’s very much cs5 and crossbell 3.
>>544478181Where the fuck did I "pretend" that. I didn't mention Reverie because it's an irrelevant DLC-tier game. Everybody had made up their mind about CS by the end of CS4, and there was a huge dropoff in sales to corroborate that. But yes I agree that Reverie is obviously CS5 and Crossbell 3, I would ask "who denies that?" but I'm sure one of the schizos here did.
>>544477914Disagree. Don't hate the game but it is boring, the Empire is a dull setting, we know what the conflict is well before even going there, and a bunch of the main cast is weak in this entry.
Reverie isn't just Crossbell 3 and Cold Steel 5, it's also Kuro 1. Kuro 1 is Kuro 2, Kuro 2 is Kuro 3, and Kai is Kuro 4.
>>544478903There was a huge drop off of sales after reverie because players werent interested in the calvard arc. Reddit,4chan, discord is the loud minority that hates cs. It is the most popular arc and it’s “cool” to hate what’s popular. Funny how vankid likes you blames calvards lack of sales on cold steel rather than the arc itself
>they didn't buy reverie, a game about erebonia and crossbell, because they weren't interested in the calvard arcwhat level of cope is this
>>544478903If Reverie is filler and people skip it, they are gonna be really co fused about Rufus running around free, who Lapis, Swin, and Nadia are, and what this Babel incident is that is referenced a dozen + times in Europe.There's far to much in that game to consider it a filler. That said, I wish I didn't know who Swin was. Worst character in the series.
>>544468135Just wait for it to release officially in January then you will hear more thoughts and differences of opinion. Only a small amount of English fans who aren’t bilingual have played it
Leeves/Branch Campus is so badly designed dudeTrista/Main Campus was so smart in it's layoutBranch Campus is so fucking confusing to navigate
>>544468135>japanese have certain expectations from the marketing>west does not because they've kept the trailers resonableis that simple mayn
>>544468816holy based
>>544468135you say this like western kisekifags dont call every single kiseki game le 10/10 kinoooo peak fiction better than all other jrpgs
Holy beast of Wind is a SimurghHoly beast of Water is a Leviathan Holy beast of Time is a Half dead, half living human who is only able to manifest in Zemuria in a vessel.
>>544487252Who's in the box? WHO'S IN THE BOX?
>>544485662Cs4 and Kuro 2 are polarizing games in the west. Sky 3 is criticized for its dungeon crawler
>Cs4 and Kuro 2 are polarizing games in the west.Proof?>my 7 discordslol
>>544487370Valis 5 families made a copy of it but Ouroboros stole it and Grandmastermade a phase space inside it using it as s base for Ouroboros. MTSC hacked the replica box with their knowledge of future tech, MTSC are also funded by Valis
What I wanna know is how the fuck people think Reverie is the best CS game.
>>544487813What cs game would you suggest is better than reverie?
>>544487813not hard to see from a pure gameplay perspective
>>544468135Asia likes different things. They like heroes' journeys. Not boomers doing stuff (besides Yakuza or something). Plus, at least one part of the arc (the combat) was tailor-made for foreigners, and Japan always hates when their own media does stuff like that.
>>544488180Low bar. None of the CS games have good gameplay.I can understand the argument that Reverie has the best gameplay of the CS games because it's the only CS game with substantial challenge, but that challenge is really only in the beginning and goes away once you get enough tools to play with.
>>544487839The arc is pretty weak. I don't know...3 or 4. >>544488180I guess, but managing such a large cast is not fun.
>>544487813Reverie explained the ironbloods and their objectives and why they were doing the things they were doing better than cs4 did. Plus it did a better job showcasing Reans guilt for starting the twilight. The big padding in cs4 doesn’t help put that struggle in the spotlight. Reverie is a better finale to Erebonia than cs4 was trying to do
>>544488259Wasn’t vans character arc in Kuro 1 similar to Reans for cs1 to cs2 until Rean got giga dicked by Osborne in cs2 ending?
>>544488259Japan/Asia could also be straight up tired of the series. They've been waiting the longest for the major answers, and all they've gotten was games (allegedly) made for a group that doesn't exist, which just wasted time. They didn't even give a damm about the remake. One of their favourite games. Goodwill, for the series in Japan is gone. Here in the West, it still exists. The problem here is that not enough people are buying them.
>>544461818It’s a natural human response when people hate her or by extension anyone for wrong or personal reasons that don’t make sense to like her.
>>544489136Van was fighting an uphill battle from the start if true. Should have made him as different as possible.
>>544488473No one gives a fuck about the Shit Bloods lmao
>>544489175japs are just tired of the series, its 20 years old now and feels like its just gone nowhere for yearstrails is almost by design made to go nowhere and people have just caught on to the scam and lost interest. theres just better shit to spend 60 bucks on every year than some ps3 looking game that only exists to bait you into buying the next nothing game. kiseki is a relic of a different era and not in a good way.
You people obviously hate Falcom and what they've becomeWhy are you here?
>>544489446Personality is a bit different. Van is very jokey kinda a gintoki trope. The story in Kuro 2 and Kai doesn’t completely revolve around Van so it gave other characters more chance to shine. Cs2 and cs4 Rean dominated the screen time too much
>>544461818You fell for 4chan ironic lolicon shitposting, congrats.
>>544489802"Sunk cost," as hypocrite Reanspics love to accuse others of. Then we got ragecuck living out his fucking Griffith fantasies.
>>544461818this is how mondblut became a bonefide pedo, from reddit and this placegood luck anon
Having not played the Calvard games reading these posts about Van and Calvard It feels like reading giberish. I just assume it's ragecuck talking to himself but on the off chance it's not, it really shows how little effort is made by anons, no jokes, no images just plain word salads. All other arcs atleast generate some memes I chuckle at but the best Calvard can do is some sexy swimsuit girls, laaaame
>>544489983Theres nothing to discuss or meme about with Calvard it's just boring and lifeless. Falcom don't care about, the fans don't care about, no one cares.
>>544489446There are Rean haters that do like Van though so maybe his execution of his arc is better
>>544489647That's why it's so important that they add entertaining stuff in-between bits of answering overarching lore. Now they just go through the motions.
>>544489983No shitJust wait for the MTL anon to come back and convince everyone to play the shitty CLE ports instead because he got mad at NISA for killing his cat or something
>>544490091>>544489964Samefag complains about Tita, mondblut, and fan translations 24/7
>>544489983More memes will come with arc ending.
>>544489895>gave other characters more chance to shineExcept one of the primary complaints is that the cast hasn't been used well too. If the mc and cast aren't used much, there's no point in playing besides digging for chunks of overarching lore reveals.
>>544490330Do you share the same complaints with the others or do you think aso has been done alrite so far?
>>544490432I share that sentiment.
Crossbell and Cold Steel are better, but I will give it to Sky that it did a phenomenal job with its two main characters. Estelle sucks as a playable unit, but her character arc really elevates the first two games if you ignore the corny jrpg tier writing surrounding it.
>>544490502Which aso characters besides Van and Agnes you think got good character development or developing.
>>544489983Not enough happens for memes to catch on. You could say the sweets, car, and old jokes are that, but those aren't seen/posted as much as haha, headpat, barrier, etc.
>>544490330>there's no point in playing besides digging for chunks of overarching lore reveals.This is exactly why Calvard is so underwhelming. Falcom arbitrarily decided in the beginning that absolutely nothing is allowed to progress at all in this arc until the final game so all you end up getting out of 3 games is just the little snippets of lore they reveal in the last hour of each 70 hour long game. You want worldbuilding for Calvard? Tough shit, it barely exists. You want to explore Calvard? You'll get a handful of cities and no countryside and you'll like it. You want character arcs for your characters? Haha... maybe we'll get around to it in the 4th game if we have the time. You want a developed story? Well we're just gonna backload all of it til the end of the arc so here go the chaos emeralds for 3 games. What the fuck are you even left with by the end of it? These games are just Falcom going through the motions. There's just no love put into them. It's them just fulfilling an obligation and just did not fucking care at all. I want to smash Kondos fucking face in.
>>544490939It unironically doesn't help that Kondom just throws around random numbers for how finished the series is>Kondo: As I've said before, we probably reached about 70% by the end of Kuro No Kiseki II. At this particular point, we probably culminate about 90% of the entire Kiseki series by the end of Kai No Kiseki,He says this, but you barely see the plotline progress...Why say this shit? People are upset because he says this shit, then nothing happens
I know this is an anti-Ys 10 general, but I love this game. I've played every Ys and X is by far my favorite. I will always have good memories of it.
>>544491239its ok every 6/10 game has that one retard who thinks its a 10
>>544491239We love Karja here
>>544490939Don’t know why your frustrated or surprised at this when cold steel did the exact same thing
>>544489647>trails is almost by design made to go nowhere and people have just caught onExcept that wasn't a concern until Calvard, which relied too heavily on the overarching narrative which only ever played a minor part in previous arcs.Liberl's coup d'etat and the appearance of the Aureole, Crossbell's political situation and fight for independence, and Erebonia's growing class divide resulting in a civil war as well as its consequences down the line were all interesting enough on their own to draw in fans.The conflict caused by Osborne's schemes, which spans from Sky all the way to CSIV arguably was more engaging than Ouroboros' plans ever were.
>>544491434It really didn't. I have plenty of problems with Cold Steels writing choices but the fact is way more happened in each Cold Steel game that contributed to the overall worldbuilding, story and characters than Calvard's games. None of the Cold Steel games feel like they were only made because they had to fill a release schedule that year. There are always way less reused assets in Cold Steel.
>>544490939>absolutely nothing is allowed to progress at all in this arc until the final game Yea. And by stretching the arc out, it's made it so much worse.
>>544491434lmao @you, vankidtry defending your without resorting to lies and slander about its predecessors just one time
>>544491556>which relied too heavily on the overarching narrative which only ever played a minor part in previous arcs.This. Falcom were way too obsessed with setting up muh heckin epic series finale that they forgot that Calvard had to also actually have a story of its own. This is why it doesn't connect with people the way the other arcs did.
I like all Trails games a lot and always will
>>544491683I just having a conversation about why anon distinguished that from cold steels 4 game quality as well. I liked cold steel. I wouldn’t keep playing this series if I didn’t like the games
>Still arguing about this petty bullshit when the world is utter shit outside
>>544492226Fuck you, Marche. Little asshole.
>>544492226Sara it's simply not my problem
>>544491806Vankidfag is a mentally ill faggot. Ignoring him is best.
>>544491572I guess the soft reset by introducing new cast, making Rean a teacher, and exploring new side of Erebonia helped add some freshness to the second half of cold steel arc?
>>544492679Who
>>544494234The MC of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.He basically gets isekai'd, finds his friends in the new world, who are MUCH happier in the new world than in the real world, and forcefully drags them back into the real world, telling them that escapism is bad.He's a little asshole.
>>544494391Is the new world a trap. Or is it paradise
>>544494391this includes the fact that one of said friends, who is crippled in the real world, can walk in the final fantasy world
>>544494656What a prick
>>544494391>Kino game forever stuck on GE BE AYE
>>544494752Yeah it could use a remake for sure. It was actually really good.
>>544491806>I liked cold steelThen why spread blatant misinformation about Cold Steel in order to defend Calvard? None of these points relate to Cold Steel whatsoever. >>544490939>nothing is allowed to progress at all in this arc until the final gameThis is such a weird point to connect to Cold Steel, which has the biggest story progression within its own arc. You experience Rean's entire school life, the Erebonian civil war and its conclusion, take part in Crossbell's annexation, you experience the years after the war as Osborne's influence rises, Rean becoming a military teacher and moving ahead in life, and the list goes on. It's such a vast arc that comparing it to Calvard's stagnation is laughable at best.>you end up getting out of 3 games is just the little snippets of lore they reveal in the last hour of each 70 hour long gameThat's not true at all either. Of course each game has a final act that's greater in scope than the preceding parts, but that's true for every game in the series.How are the field studies that introduce Erebonia's landscapes and its class conflict, or class VII's exploits in the civil war just 'filler' for you? Compare that to, say, Azure, where you spend an entire chapter chasing Cryptids.>You want worldbuilding for Calvard? Tough shit, it barely exists. Erebonia has tons of worldbuilding throughout the series and especially within Cold Steel.>You want to explore Calvard? You'll get a handful of cities and no countryside and you'll like it.You can explore all of Erebonia along every highway. >You want a developed story? Well we're just gonna backload all of it til the end of the arc so here go the chaos emeralds for 3 games.See the first point, this again is blatantly wrong if you're claiming that Cold Steel suffers from the same problems.By the time you're collecting the Chaos Emeralds for the second time in Calvard, Class VII has contributed to end the civil war and is about to graduate from Military Academy.
>>544497835I didn't even mention CS in my post you fucking spazz.
>>544490939I think Kai is longer than 70 hour it’s like a 80 to 90 hour game. It’s almost as much as cs4 but cs4 is still the longest game till this day
>>544499060>>544491434Follow the conversation.
>>544490939yeah you legitimately miss nothing by not just watching the endings of each calvard game on youtubehow did this shit even get greenlit
>>544499638Nta, but I assume they just needed to fill out the release calendar.
Sky = Crossbell > shit > CS = Calvard > most other JRPGs
>>544499974Skytroon/vankid…….. still jealous cold steel sells more huh lol. Loud minority shouts the loudest
>most other JRPGsHmm.....
>>544499974Crossbell > Cold Steel > dogshit > Sky > double dogshit > Calvard
>>544499974incoming 6 hour long spic melty over this post
Is it true that Kai 2 isn't happening next year.
>>544500485people are speculating sc remake + new xanadu
>>544500543Because of one picture? Has Falcom said anything else.
>>544499974loony troony
>>544500779>Because of one picture? Yes.Have you seen our fanbase? They believed XSEED got Sky remake because of one single retard one twitter>Has Falcom said anything else.No. We might get some news in November, otherwise it's just the normal shareholder meeting for official reveals
>>544499974Rean > Lloyd > Kevin > Van > Rufus > Shit > Shitstelle
>>544501136Haha.....
>>544501136>They believed XSEED got Sky remake becauseThere was official screenshots showing mock ups of XSEED's dialogue in the remake.
>>544500779afaik this is the newest info we have, from september 1st>https://automaton-media.com/articles/interviewsjp/kiseki-20250901-355966/>『界の軌跡』のストーリーは言うなれば『空の軌跡 FC』のようなポジションなので、当然続編は用意していますし、『空の軌跡 the 1st』と並行して制作しています。まだ具体的な発表ができるタイミングではありませんが、僕らとしても大きな節目になるので、期待してお待ちいただければと思います。they have been developing the kai sequel in parallel with the 1st remake. they're not ready to announce a release date, but kondo says it's going to be a big milestone for falcom.the remake was handled by newer falcom staff so we can assume a team of boomers has been working on the kai sequel for a good while. it's probably closer to release than sky 2nd.
>>544501771maybe falcom realized how much they fucked up by rushing kuro 2 and kai so theyre going all out for kai 2 so it wont be out til 2027 (yes i am coping)
>>544501771>Boomers working on itIt's fucking over. They've been doing that for years. They don't know how to handle more time.
>>544502116>new writers just want to write swill and shartia slop>old writers cant write anything that isnt strictly a part of their of 20 year old templatewho can save us
>>544503143One passionate autistic game developer who insists on directing and writing everything.
>>544503143Sandfall Interactive
Trails peaked with Cold Steel.
>>544503850Just gib me pom pom and mecha kondo sama...
>Calvard wanted Creil to be the new Hamel really badly>Had none of the punch because it's not as poignant when saturday morning cartoon villains do it compared to when it's done for political purposes, and all parties are gagged from talking about it for the sake of peace, leaving the survivors stranded with no closure>Literally becomes a major point of the second game despite the fact that the ones who did it are dead, meaning there's no more resolution to be had>Gets rewinded in the third game and pretty much explicitly stated that it will be saved in Kevin's last chapter
>>544427289Rean did not know that Crow could be revived. Both Crow and Rean were of the understanding that Crow is going to be dead at the end of it (which was a really heavy thing to have on Crow's head the entire game, too bad it didn't stick).
>>544504097Celdic > Hamel > Creil
Crossbell suffered way more
>>544504183Hamel > Celdic> CreilAt least one person died in Celdic!
>>544504015>Pom Pom Party>Vantage Masters>Fishing>Casino minigamesWould you buy a title that revolves around the minigames with minimal storytelling?
>>544504253>time remind could make this trueAbsolutely hilarious
>>544504183>>544504253nah hamel is mad gay
Van will undo the tragedy of Hamel and create a timeline where Joshy and Loewe never left Erebonia, Cassius never left the army and Estelle didn't lose her mother.
>>544504332If it has every minigame they removed, some good new ones, and is priced appropriately then fuck year.
>>544504337Did you see Kevin's last chapter? Saving Creil in the rewind could not have been made more obvious.
What's the Kiseki equivalent?
>>544504434Japan must still hate being nuked, I guess
>>544504458kiseki will never have the sovl that yakuza has
>Bring everyone back>But not Otto;-;
>Kondo proudly claims they made the Calvard arc as pro-immigrant propaganda>Anti-immigration hardliner now PM in JapanHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
>>544504654thats why you dont try to be "topical" because it makes something immediately dated
>>544504332Isn't that just Reverie except you get Daydreams and a story?
>>544504839It just means that Falcom is a face of the rebellion against the real life equivalent of Shido. Any true Japan appreciator recognises we need to keep Falcom afloat as the real life Phantom Thieves.
>>544504954Kek based
>someone drew estelle x alfin yuriwhat
>>544504654>Anti-immigration hardliner now PM in Japanoh no.That means that... ????
>>544500201>...that i haven't played.Mmmmh.
