Bar Skank Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-24-2025-update.87198/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>544357287
>*Infernus and Abrams bump into each other*>"Ay watch where you walkin', bluey">"Ay ay what you say, fireboy?">Watch closely. You're about to experience a Devil Moment: The New York Oracle defines the Devil Moment as a moment where ignorance overwhelms the mind of an otherwise logical Ixian male.>"Ay what did you say, horned devil?">"Ay squeeze it, ay squeeze devil!">Causing him to act in an illogical self-destructive manner. I.E, like a Devil>*Abrams and Infernus empty their guns but they have no oranges*>"Ay wait man wait. This is stupid!">"Ay you right dawg. Look, let's put the guns away and go on about our farm.">*Priest shows up and stakes them both*>But they all end up bad. If they had their own category, Devil moments would be the third leading killer of Ixian men behind exorcisms and holy water. It's a fact.>Now let's see how a Devil moment affects a white man.>*Infernus and Warden brush shoulders, Warden spills his alchemical flask*>"Ay watch where you walkin', Warden.">"What did you... wait a minute, hahaha, IN A FEW SECONDS IT'LL ALL BE OVER!"
>>544438993
>>544438993Not funny, why did you even post ts
>DynamoEnemy characters that survive the black hole and are in the center are sucked into Dynamo's anus, like quantum entanglement, but is shot out at the same speed as kinetic pulse. >Rejuvenating AuroraOverhaul this dumbass ability
>>544438993>"What did you... wait a minute, hahaha, IN A FEW SECONDS IT'LL ALL BE OVER!"Fuck you nigger you actually got a laugh out of me.
>>544439982>brap hole
>>544440085All this work just for me to see Infernus, Shiv and Pocket near the bottom so I can immediately discard it and hide the post.
>>544440085Uhm sweaty Victor has a stun :)
>build damage>win>don't build damage>lose80% of items in this game are trash
>>544440452NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY MAIN HAS TO BE HONEST SO I WORDED THE TIERS TO SUIT MY NEEDS AND IGNORE OBVIOUS FLAWS LIKE HEALING AS DAMAGE NEGATION AND STUNS THAT ARE "EASILY AVOIDABLE"(which is every non targeted stun in the game, which is basically all but Krill)
>>544440085people need to stop obessing over "honesty" and just play whats fun
>>544440452>>544440728It's reactable. Not all stuns are built the same>>544440231Infernus and Shiv are just overtuned rn, they're not dishonest by design. Pocket is near the middle
>>544440843My nigga, Lash and Holliday are at the top for their stuns and they are some of the most easily countered ones with counter spell
>>544440843If your metric tells you infernus and shiv are not dishonest by design then it's a fraudulent shitty metric, stop.
>Gun experts react to Deadlock weapons>Um WHAT this guy's got finger guns! That's soo cool!
>>544441064based and true
>>544440253based on these souls oooooo
>>544440843Lash has the most reactable stun in the game. It dings a fucking loud bell telling you to get under cover or press counter spell. Haze dagger isn't a stun it doesn't cancel channels. Somehow Abrams stun is "unreactable" but Miku wall and Ivy get a pass despite being easier to land. Paiges "stun" is listed despite her 3 being the hardest skill to hit raw in the whole game, and her ult being able to be literally double jumped over. You're a retard your list is filled with more bias than the average shitpost and you should unironically kill yourself.
you don't buy trophy collector because you believe it's a shit itemi don't buy trophy collector because even if it was a good item i don't trust myself to be able to get stackswe are not the same
Clocks still didn't change from DST in land of the Corn Syrup right. Nobody still up for inhouse just yet?
>>544440253Based on how likely they are to piss on my car at a furry convention
>>544441312Miku wall would be counted if it was >=1 sec, Abrams' is longer and yes shoulder charge is unreactable. Disregarding items Lash ult is not reactable especially if it's well placed wtf is this bias.>paige doesn't actually have a stun because you can heckin jump over it!Ok dude
>>544441758>and yes shoulder charge is unreactableIf and only if Abrams has Phantom Strike and finds an off angle to approach you from. Otherwise spacebar x 2 or even counterspell will prevent this spell from doing anything to you
>>544440843>It's reactable.then why's goo punch counted as a displacement?
>>544441758Post your rank. You're either a blue or low green nigger
>>544438447>outheal>wraith>INFERNUSLol, you must be retarded
>>544441572Even with stacks it's a shit item you stupid fucking redditor that's why you're stuck in shitlow and I'm not.
>>544441985worked on my machine
>>544441670i'm up
>>544441956((((They)))) don't know
>>544442053>the biggest OP DoT on top of stacked anti healsdon't believe it until they fed hard
>>544442008>even if it was a good item (which implies that it is not)anon...
>>544440085
>>544442175Alright I'll stick around for 1 game but I can't stay too late today49SYG
>>544442247I juggle people constantly in ascendant lobbies, barely anyone knows.
>>544441956Because in a fight avoiding Victor's 3 second startup ult is WAY easier than parrying goo punches>>544441960Phantom 5
>>544442319don't have to feed hard just get enough souls to max out my own healing and shoot them
theory: gloom bombs are little purple skulls
>>544442719so the rankings were completely arbitrary from the start then.
Deadlock general inhouse lobby49SYG
>>544440085impressive
>>544438993Kek
>>544442719>Phantom 5 thinks Lash is unreactable, thinks Paradoxs swap is unreactable >but some how billys hook that drags you through walls isn't listed>Sevens targeted GUARANTEED stun isn't despite being 1.8 seconds maxed>GT curse is listed despite being a stationary trap you have to force yourself intoYou're not above initiate
>>544440085Drifter doesn’t even have an escape tool unless you’re counting his ult’s blindlessTruly the most honest
Bros im finna fucking make it
>>544443145Sorry I just spent an hour doing computer science just to get Battlefield 6 to run.
>>544443801keep it up, I think shes one of the hardest to win with in soloQ
>>544443891Is your fridge running?
>>544443145Sorry, I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule and it's past midnight already.
>>544444019No its not
Bros, I can't find that one Vindicta pic similar to this, but with "-DEAD" on every label instead
>>544443891>bf6why would you want to play this?
Wifwolf hero...WHERE!?!?
REACTIVE BARRIER AND SPIRIT SHIELDING ON EVERYONE EVERY GAME
>>544444206I like fun games simple as
>>544444475>NOOOO DON'T COUNTRR BUILD I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ONE SHOT YOU ALL GAME
There is 4/12 concurrently49SYG
>>544444193I dont get it
>>544444475>item that counters cc, something that will always cause a problem for you no matter what team comp the enemy has or build you run>item that lowers spirit damage, something that will always cause a problem for you short of an entirely gun damage enemy teamNot a huge surprise
>>544444193okay /dlg/. who do you main, and where do you rank on this chart?i don't have that image. sorry anon.
>>544444609>counterbuildit's just general building, it's effective against literally everyone until the end of the game. two 1600 items that give you as much tankiness as double 3200 resists
>build gun>win>build spirit>losewhy is it like this
>>544444889>minaSomehow normal which makes me think this was made by an asian dude.
pocket if zhe was good
>>544444889LashEyeballing probably large, no real measure here
>>544445000gun players are so unskilled they cried until spirit items were trash so now the strongest way to play even spirit heroes like holliday, doorman, yamato, etc. is gun
Hop on this lobby 49SYG
>>544444609Stacking shields is boring for the same reason eshift was boring, its a counterplay for sure but not a healthy one for the game. Especially since the shield is now universal.
>>544443045It's just a simple way to avoid massive rigidity. I can't score Victor's slow ass stun the same as Mo's or Doorman's. I know there could be more nuance to the system but I just made it for fun>>544443268Thank you>>544443605>against good players yes>that ult is displacement, it is listed>it's cleansable and reactable>it's a fuck-huge and useful in a team fight, you're downplaying it
>>544445092Need Kokette x Mina yuri.
>>544445092Pocket if they were a generic goonbait for porn addicts
>>544438638what happens if you drink her breast milk?
>>544445398
>>544445398Snakes dont have boobs, snakes dont have milk
>>544445396Gooners already ate good last major update with Mina and Paige but of course if you give a mouse a cookie he'll ask for a glass of milk.
>>544444889Isn't prolapse on that image like average length?
>>544445253>it's cleansableDragging goal posts is all I needed to hear. Before it was>hurr assuming no itemsNow it's >w..well I can cleanse it if I'm playing certain heros or buy an itemYou're a retard. In addition Billys ult is a hook it drags you to him but is listed as displacement while Holliday is listed as a hook. More retardation and bias.
>>544445396so... exactly what i just said?
>>544445321>off-model>brownedWhy are gooners so bad at art?
>>544445574>Mina and Paige and not Doorman and Drifter
>>544445876They all suck, I'm waiting for the Venator
>>544445748Thats not good, thats boring dogshit
>>544445958need paige version
>>544445701i'm mostly eyeballing but i feel like large-painful range is closer to average. prolapse is probably like porn average or something
>>544445396t. eunuch
>>544446069Hi eunuch,It looks like you forgot to attach your message. Thanks Best, Josh
>>544446037don't care, jerking my dick. your game will KNEEL to my ilk and you will be forced to look at progressively lewder, sluttier characters
>>544444714she’s a goast
>>544442840post a build then
>>544446037so the same as current pocket
>>544446367it's the top one geist movement or something
>>544444714you are small
>>544445958Last thing I see before getting mauled by bats
>>544445861pale'd her up in 10 seconds just for you, bro
>Abrams rushes in every single life to feed the enemy Vyper>Comes on coms with the most annoying voice ever, blaming me for not rushing in to also die along side him.
>>544446541Based
>>544445321Swedish>>544446541Irish
5/12 in lobby 49SYG
>>544446706You meant ''swedish'' of algerian descent
>>544446534last thing i see before she stomps on my face with her stilleto
>>544446504The painful on the chart is below average irl, just say you got small dih bro
Some geist one game:>you fucking suck, uninstallSame guy in a later game, doesn't remember me:>Omg you saved me, youre the bestThe fuck am I supposed to make of that?
>>544446559I had a Yamato run into tower after we killed first creep wave to do her 1 against a Bebop/Shiv lane. Bebop had uppercut (he had already used it so we knew), he just ran behind her and launched her into the tower. Got called a bot because I didn't prevent this most obvious of outcomes.Eternus 6 lobby by the way
>>544446859If you're an Ami that doesn't get the joke, yeah...
>>544446037They hated him because he spoke the truth>>544446372Marginally better since he attracts less game-ruining coomers (fujoshits thankfully don't play). Paige was a mistake, Mina can stay as a token pandering hero.
>>544446541Now make her black
>>544446868Never said I didn't
>>544446952dude doesn't take random deadlock games to hearthe already forgot about both of those and you're in /dlg/ seething about it
>>544447076Why is he roping me into his brain problems?
>>544446952Playing Geist is suffering.
>>544445707Even if you can't cleanse it, it's a stun that gives you plenty of time to seek better positioning. Same with Victor's. You simply cannot compare those to Lash's stun.Your point about Billy is interesting, but I didn't really consider it a hook cuz it's not near-instant like holli/bebop/para, you at least have a chance to break it.
>>544446541How do you do that?
>>544446952he's like a skyrim npc that forgets about anything that happened in the past 10 minutes and overreacts to anything in the current 10 minutes
>>544446952You're weak-minded for both remembering a random person which trashtalked you and moved on, and you're so dependent on random's opinions you've decided to post here. Don't do that.
>>544447210anon you're the one with brain problems here, you need to learn to let things go when they're inconsequential
>>544447337They're not inconsequential at that moment if that guy's gonna make us lose the game being a prick.
>>544447417?Didn't you say he's being friendly now? Hardly seems like he wants to grief
>>544447243>you can react to a targeted stun>you can't react to a non targeted stun Pisslow mind astounds me
>>544447510He was the first game. I'm willing to bet he was only being nice the second game because he's winning.
>>544447417He moved on, you keep writing fanfiction here. Grow up and stop being so autistic.
>>544446952>Bad thing happensNegative_Reaction.exe>Good things happenBased.exe
You better fill me up soon or else anon49SYG
>>544444889YamatoPainful
>>544445092I think being lithe suits the character more but I do love me some large mammaries.
>>544440085Why does viper's slow net them 6 bad girl points. But Victor's only give him 2 bad girl points?Geist has debuff AND slow and also only 2 bad girl points as well.This list seems a little dishonest honestly.
>>544441064we need an official in-lore explanation on how does infernus shoot burning napalm out of his fingers for Jonathan to dissect
>>544447241geist players deserve sufferingmost annoying lane opponent, equivalent to gay talon
>>544448001Vyper has a stun cutie
>>544445321ts huzz chopped as hell gng
>>544444206it's fun to drive around ratting objectives in a scout car :)
>>544444553>>544448280Are the older battlefields dead? Isn't the franchise just cod with a bit bigger map now?
>>544447678No.
Inhouse might be fucking over lads
>>544448494I think we may be dead until december
>>544448494why play vs dlggers 5 divisions above me when I can play vs shitter randoms that are the same shitter rank as me
>>544448494yoshi release new characters now
>>544444889minasomewhere around prolapse i think, but the crop makes it hard to guesstimate so i could be off
>>544448630maybe after DST goes back in america i can play at a reasonable hour for me...
>>544447926This looks so much better than generic pocket we got
>>544448669Personally I do it because I know they will punish me in ways the shitters won't so it helps me learn faster.
>>544448494How about hosting them in NA time instead of this EU shit when normal people are at work
>>544448762>tfw we almost got rid of it>congress didn't do it
>>544449160like half the players are EU thoughever
>>544449160You niggas STILL at work?
6/12!! Half full! Wow!49SYG
>>544448180No she has a petrify.
>>544449437You use 24 hour time in burgerland?
>>544449663No, I'm just the resident Jerry there.
>>544447664The real answer was one you said yourself, you made some bad play, he raged like a sperg, then forgot, then later you made a good play and the dopamine receptors lit up. He's a dumbass, what do you want.
>>544444193paigesmall
>>544448795Its still a generic grill with a case. Pocket is supposed to have a bunch of stolen magical artefacts from his dad's collection, but everything he got is plain and mediocre. Turning a forgettable guy in a forgettable chick is not an improvement, especially since 2D features don't translate in 3D environment.
>Laning as Mina>The retarded Warden laning with me stands at our guardian>Doesn't move from it at all>Choice between getting murdered alone repeatedly or getting denied farm>Warden activates ultimate at our guardian then walks forwards at enemies who have long-since retreatedI swear this is why I lose a lot of my games as Mina.
>>544450515>m on team>lose
>enemies doing mid with some of us still up>we have an infernus with ult>ping mid as I spawn to go in>type to contest mid>teammates comms to go mid>the midboss screams mapwide and the enemies take 10-20 seconds to finish from then>nigger just sits at green walker the whole time because a lone yamato is pushing it>they get 3 rejuvs and take all the walkers with how overpowered mid isI don’t get what the actual fuck is wrong with some players. You can’t communicate or help them in any way shape or form. Just a clueless ape on a typewriter going 3/7 with 27k in a 30+ minute game
>>544449160Filtering yanks is a feature
>>544450647We've seen how shit EU players are on "pro" deadlock kek your eternus is our oracle.
>>544450515I lost like ten games in a row before she clicked and I could carry a lane like that. Of course if it's GT or something else you're fighting for your life and praying for midgame.>>544450647TRVE
>>544447047>sexy women = coomershityou're a literal faggot and probably the doorman spammer
>>544450756Wasn't talking about ranks, but the people
I might actually make a forum post about allowing lobbies to mess around in the hideout.
>>544451076>he sees no difference between a sexy woman and coomer garbageYou're tasteless and blind regardless of which hero you spam.
If 6 people spawned in right now then it would make Jesus very happy I think49SYG
>>544451349paige isn't even close to "coomer garbage" you silly little faggot.
GUYS IM SCARED. Ignore the Mina loss I had a 2/16 Shiv in my lane
>>544452578Yo what is with the Mina loss?
>>544452578You niggas see this Mina loss? On 50k? Embarrassing
im afraid i need to leave the inhouse lobby so it's gonna be back to 6/12 :(ill try to join up later tonight tho
>>544452621>>544452751AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOOOOOOOPIT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO CARRY MY SHIV HAD BRAIN DAMAGE
>>544452578>losing>as minapathetic
I think I'm now a Victor main.
>>544452578>losing with the most busted and busty chargrim
>>544452578play green abrams in your next 5 match and your luck will continuebuy a purple or orange item and a sea of redness will befall you
>>544452578I got this 2 weeks ago and since I have not had 2 wins back to back. It's been like 30/70
>>544452892bold, aren't you?
Giving up with the inhouse for now cause I have to be up early tomorrow. You guys should host one later when the rest of you are back from work/awake from bedrotting though
What are the most cost effective spirit damage items?
SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
>>544452430You have no reading comprehension either, just neck yourself at this point, things won't get better for you.
>>544453580prolly depends on the character (for example for Mo it's torment pulse)
>>544453068He’s the first carry that’s really clicked with me, I’ve mostly been playing M&K, Kelvin, and Paige, and Geist.
>>544442978
>>544453632>since he attracts less game-ruining coomers>Paige was a mistakeis paige merely a "sexy woman" or "game-ruining coomer garbage?" which is it?
>Victor dies 10+ times in lane>Somehow comes back from this>Somehow manages to salvage shit and win with the team despite us having a 15k+ soul disadvantage from 10 minutes in.This guy either has god-tier mental after inting so many times or Victor is broken. He managed to make the Vyper have a mental breakdown, so you know what? I'm probably being a bit toxic in pic but I was just emotional after the rollercoaster.Crazy shit happens in piss elo.
>enter mina's line of sight>half health gone instantlywhat's the counterplay
What is the biggest soul differential you've ever seen where the winning team was behind on souls?
>>544455028Just don't get hit or Rake'd you moron
>>544455028cover
>>54445502890% spirit resist just kidding she has a bunch of % hp damage
>>544455028The only counterplay is cover.
>>544455053I believe it was 30k. Maybe a little more.All it takes is 1-2 cocky fucks on the enemy team to die, and then securing mid
>>544455028theres 3 viable character traits right now-spirit nuking-being invincible to survive the spirit nuke-being tanky to survive the spirit nuke
>>544455028She doesn't have a "gay here too" ability besides her ult
>>544455053unironicly last nightshift games I believe.
>>544455426>besides her ultway to refute your own point while making it
>>544455028>Phantom Strike>Shoulder Charge>M1
>>544455587An ult is a lot different than a regular ability
Game needs more tanks and supports. It’s like 90% dps rn.
>>544455426>every other gun item in the game is adjusted based on fire rate>except headshot booster and mystic shotMystic shot can at least be whiffed, but FUCK headshot booster.t. Viscous gayer
>>544455745its still there
>>544455028leave her line of sight bro the map is so many sight lines
4/12 for inhouse49SYG49SYG49SYG
>>544455917*dies*
>>544455791Mystic and healing shot should function like HSBooster. Procs on your next bit of m1 damage instead of as a projectile.
>>544456041They’d need to be nerfed if that were the case, ESPECIALLY resto shot
>>544456041>Bullet hoses should be strongerhell no
>>544455434Is there a webm of the game-losing rescue beam I heard about?
>>544456260don't have it, don't think there is either.
>>544455152>>544455327>>544455904>>544455426NTA but she literally just rushes into your cover and instantly kills you anyways
>Kelvin isnt that busted just buy spirit shieldhttps://youtu.be/At8v_Yc044Y
>>544450493There's nothing wrong with a few normal people. But yeah we already got paige I guess. She looks kinda odd though
I am the worlds biggest Metro hater, I cant wait for the day that insufferable faggot puts this game down for good
>>544456381>NTA but she literally just rushes into your cover and instantly kills you anywaysYeah I know I play her, shes like a burst assassain. You got to bully her before she hits her power boon+item power spikes.
>>544456336I’m sure this is a symptom of the game being new and people not being as aware of what people will get up to when they’re off the map but holy fuck that shit would tilt me if that happened to meimagine 3 enemies just afk stroking their cocks in shop for 30 seconds to get a mo and krill ult kill on you
Why can't I simply just rape Mina?
>>544456618same shit as hiding in the treeline/bush for dota/lol respectively.
>>544456741she's a vampire with a gun and you're a 95 lbs pasty white neckbeard
>>544456381Do you have a team or is this a theoretical 1v1 vs a 10/0 mina with full build and you have no items or teammates that can capitalize on her burning her abilities to run after you
>>544456778Not quite. There are no wards in Deadlock so there's a lot more fog you need to face check
>>544456778Not even close because there's no wards or vision gaining shit like flare and what not so these 3 players could be farming their jungle or buying or doing slot machines, you literally have zero idea or reason to believe they would be doing this.
>trustfund kid>highly mobile and has extreme map presense>One of the strongest get out of jail free cards in the game>Insane spirit and burst dmg>Abuses the shit outta spirit burn>One of the best laners in the game>Good at range and close up for some fucking reason>Be mina>Pic unrelatedHow does she get away with it every time?
>>544456741You'd have to catch her first!
>>544457018*they
spirit burst issue is overratedI have games where the entire enemy team is spirit so I'm like cool free game and I build like 70% spirit resLike what are they gonna do? I have 3x ehp. GG
>>544456968maps basically picked clean and with a comp like that I wouldn't trust the fucking deathtrap that is the shop room, probably wouldn't even be wandering between lanes at all.
>>544457054So like is the cube a part of Viscous?Do you think he secretly sneaks some of the cube slime up into Mina's asshole, just to have a lil sniff?haha
>>544457152Retard
>>544456829I appreciate that you went for anorexic and not obese
>>544456607Yeah, her item power spikes, aka T2 Improved Spirit, that's literally all she needs and it's game over>>544456846This is Deadlock, of course you don't have a team. And even if you did, she can do it in lane for free, even if your lane partner tries to stop her, she gets away for free.You can even stand behind tower and it won't do jack to help you.
>>544456878>>544456968>hmm three of the enemy team is missing>maybe I should be carefulIt's like you guys never pub'd with a bad support or something before...
>>544457259I give you that
>>544456846yes, you should know by now that youre dealing with a seeker player that will only create the most unfair hypothetical to justify whatever they are crying about
>>544457235nah, at best it's something he creates/ssecrets like sweat.
>>544457235We do not question The Cube.
>>544457235I asume so, he is literally covering you in parts of himself and shooting bits of himself around the map. White Viscous skin when?
>>544457396I wish I got paired against you so the retard minas that always go 0/4 in lane get as free a win as they seem to have in your games
>>5444573984 since ivy's doing camps, only viscous & pocket are showing.
>play Viscous>punch two enemies into the corner of the truck at the mid walker>goo bounces 3 times>instakills them bothI koom
howcome I never see billy players run active reload? it's a bunch of stats he wants for cheap and cutting your obnoxiously long reloads in half is really handy for when you can't/shouldn't melee to reload
>>544457721Viscous is based. Never forget the /dlg/ match where a guy screamed 'I HATE THIS GOO NIGGER SO FUCKING MUCH'
>>544457721I fucking hate that truck, the gap between it and the wall is so thin that goo punches literally cannot hit someone walking through if cast from the sides.
>average Mina momentI swear Mina is either top everything or a rotting carcass and the reason you lose.
>>544440085>The only mark of dishonesty is different levels of CC>Due to this the character who insta-kills anyone below a certain threshold (which can effectively deal hundreds of damage) with an auto-tracking teleport that literally clips through walls ends up towards the "honest" tierThis is too much effort to be bait
>mina's balanced because she's a glass cannon!everybody's a glass cannon in this fucking gameaverage survival time is like 3 seconds
>>544458049Yeah I play exclusively tanky bruisers because I hate the TTK of this game otherwise.
>>544457757gee idk why the character who reloads whenever he hits a melee doesn't want active reload especially when fleetfoot is more useful and, without using the active, allows him to slide to gain infinite ammo
>>544457396Her lane power spike comes from extra spirit and mystic burst, and most importantly, the 2nd level up on her love bites.
>>544457757It'd be like putting Majestic Leap on Holiday. You don't need it because your powers already give you what the item offers and adding it to your build would be redunant.
its pretty telling that even the absolute lowest shitters have stopped complaining about lash, that mf is dead
>why isn’t there a higher tier rebuttal, suppressor, warp stone (NOT phantom strike)These are the ones that confuse me, I’m guessing there are some items you guys want that don’t have 1:1 higher tier upgrades?
inhouse 3/1249SYG49SYG49SYG
>>544458049play mina bro, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>544458514There was a faggot seething about lash in this very thread.
>>544458805my mistake.
>>544458794oh my God fine but I'll play like ass because I wanted to go to sleep
>>544458631What if, Rebuttal built into Counter Spell?What would a higher Tier Suppressor look like?Warp Stone is already T3, how could you improve it to a T4 (phantom strike is definitely can't be an upgrade since it only locks onto players and can't be used anywhere)
>>544458794I'm calling it, thinking we're dead until the weekend.
>>544458631Blink dagger took 10 years to get an upgrade. Suppressor is already broken as is. Rebuttal is for hard countering melees if you don't miss the parry you don't need the upgrade.
>1/10/5 Russian Grey Talon with less hero damage than me (support Paige)How are these people allowed to queue into the same games as I am?
>>544458963How the hell do you die that many times as the most evasive character in the game and is also a great backliner.
>>544458901>>544458921>melee heavy enemy team>grab rebuttal>don’t want to drop it late game>but it’s a t1 so you have to at some pointAlso counterspell shouldn’t be it, thats for parrying abilities, I just want to shut down melee heroes harder (reduced melee damage, longer parry window, whatever)Suppressor is still good yeah it’s just I compare it a lot to mystic slow in my head which has a t4 upgrade.Blink could either let you chain it like Mina dash, or give bigger buffs/a barrier after use.But mostly it’s just my autism getting upset that there isn’t a 1:1 higher tier of something I grabbed at the start of the game.
>>544457018>One of the best laners in the gameMina feels like she's disproportionately bad against the other good lanersShe can bully a dynamo to death but the other good laners can generally outtrade her
>>544459114I wouldn't call GT very evasivehe has no iframes so he's very easy to just knockdown
OK I'm gonna take a showerif there isn't a game anywhere close by the time I am done I'm leaving
>>544459398his burst mobility after getting stamina mastery is pretty absurd, a knockdown is just going to force him to dash 4 times into the next lane before it lands.
>>544459372Early on infernus passive fucks her, and haze sleep->melee or teammate burst skill cucks her too.
>>544459616>Early on infernus passive fucks herDoes it? I always eat infernuses alive in lane since they think they can just stack their dot on me and win easy.
>>544459592Plus the fact that dashing diagonally with stamina mastery lets you move further. Oh and he can dash mid air forever.
>>544458631Why not take the Blink Dagger variant path with Warp Stone?>Gun Dagger gives you firerate and max bullets>Green Dagger heals you and grants move speed>Arcane Dagger gives you spirit power and deals damage around the place you teleported in All of them of course are 6400 items.
>>544457864proof that this character is shittily designed, no matter whether u think she's bad or good
>>544459616do people just not buy reactive barrier in year of our lord and savior two thousand & twenty-five?>>544457152yankeemutt reading comprehension at an all time low.
>>544459816Good infernus players then, I guess. The ones that actually use cover and slowly wear you down instead of face tank trading like bots or diving towers every 10s like psychos. Why are so many infernus players insane hyper aggressive Abrams-in-the-wrong-body morons.
>>544458245>>544458512ok that's cool and all but you can't melee to reload 100% of the time unless you're in that grey elo where people are too bad to parry you/too stupid to get out of melee range but not so bad they're all running autoparry hacks and you shoot so often that your 1 charges aren't nearly enough
>>544460083I do most games, but a lot of people (hard carries especially) hate having to "ruin" their build by grabbing something they don’t want even when they really should. Also I'm talking early game, like, before you have 3 items. Not everyone counter builds first item.
>>544457997He has to fight you head-on and land every skill shot while you are fully mobile (no CC) to kill you.Everyone harps on his fucking execute but you need to be up their ass and deposition yourself just to kill someone who was probably already gonna die. Vindicta's is way better but then again she sucks so nobody cares. Shiv is honest, I will die on this hill
>>544460186Even good ones though, infernus takes a lot longer to be online and isn't as bursty like mina is.
>>544460609Eh, guess I just happened to see it a couple times and assumed it was universal. I don’t actually see MinavsInfernus lanes often.
>>544459573>exact same amount of people in the lobbyowari dagoodnight /dlg/
>>544460576you've already killed yourself on that hill anonbut idk why anyone cares about this honest vs dishonest meme anyways
doorman too strong. They should give him more muscles to show how OP he is.
>>544460834should woulda ran a 3v3 when we had 6 people
>>544460778trust me it's not in infernus favour until late and even then if she kept up in farm she deletes him faster than he can delete her.
Where is the in house tier list?
>>544461017depends if dishonest chars are allowed
>>544461124the only honest heroes in this game are dynamo, lash, and drifter though
>>544454612Victor's early game is fucking torturous but if he gets to have even a tiny lead he snowballs the hardest in the cast.
>>544461017I got it right hereFAGGOT TIER>played in an inhouseNOT A FAGGOT TIER>never played in an inhouse
A>ta assassin/john deadlock, shallow grave, LaastiB>Croc, Torture Yoshi, Bombyanti, Saga, BisonC>Bury Nice, Aruru, Raiva, GamepodD>Serenethers, Merk, Sexless, Mark Maverick Skins, SadoF (annoying faggots)>DeadlockedTFin/Breezy, Meppz, >Raiva, Song of Silk
>>544461540Now name the stackers.
>>544457018>rich kid with a victim complex who has a super special magical mcguffin and a massive inheritance>players all act like he's an oppressed bottom tier when they're carried by his kit ludo kino
>not on ze list
mark mirage, draft 10Lane>mystic regenFor regen>extended magBought for stat from investment, also if you get any attack speed from boxes you need the extra ammo to proc x8 before reloading >Extra health(or regen/Healing rite)For soul Efficient stats, sold later*can skip this whole category for powerspike, im experimenting with starting extended into compress cooldown to hit at the same time as mark t2 upgradeThe power spike>compress cooldownImbued the mark >QsR Imbued to mark, should be able to magdump, qsr at maxstacks/0 ammo, then mag dump again for 2 max stack procs>Lane TipsPlay safe until powerspike is online, then hit and run around your qsr cooldown. You are a lane bully and should win most matchups through harassment Midgame>enchanters emblemDecent flat spirit which is preferred for mark, also gives cdr> spirit shielding, could also get spirit lifesteal Shield is taken over lifesteal for tempo, lifesteal will scale better > Escalating resilience Armor stackswith evasion, ammo needed for stacking*At this point we are at 3.2k thresholds for our stat bonuses>Midgame TipsContinue with lane gameplay loop but add an emphasis on side lanes. Push one, then tp and push the other, you want to make the enemy run back and forthLate game>Superior cooldown>mercurial mag>Spiritual overflow>divine kevlar*At this point we are at our 9.6k stat bonuses >boundless>mystic reverb At completion your mark cool down is 0.94s for approx 5s to stack a 12x. Your mag dump is 5.7s, a little breathing room if you get a lot of firerate from boxes. Mark+reverb will do approx 2318 against a 0% resist targetThe rest is left open for flexibility but would reccomend Duration, Magic carpet, juggernaughtMost recent update ditched rico+Inhibitor combo for divine kev into boundless. Since im running so much cd divine kev has decent uptime, and mark has the 2nd highest scaling in the game at 12x, boundless gives the most flat spirit
>>544461819someone teach this nigga how to screenshot
>trannycord gets made>constant circlejerking postedi warned you niggers i really did
I don't feel any hero in this game is "unfair" other than infernus which probably also isn't unfair but in my MMR (alchemist) tends to make games completely unwinnable the second he gets any advantage because he'll just turbofarm fucking everything on the map while barely taking any damage, requiring multiple people to hound him and kill him (he will likely just survive because your Mina missed the final shot needed for a love bites proc) and proceed to win every fight by sticking 1000+ DoT AIDS on you while your team dies trying to follow him into a flame dash. Genuinely feels impossible if their KDA becomes anywhere near positive, even shit like slowing hex barely matters when trying to kill him solo results in an even trade due to afterburn or his team jumping you during/after
>>544462054the game's overall balance is pretty good. moba players are uncritical whinersinfernus' does have a super overloaded kit doughbeit
>is book nerd>paige>is cold freezer guy>kelvin>is a snake>vyper>throws shivs>shiv>built like a tank>abramsWooooow how original.
>>544462054The game is actually in a good spot right now people are mainly bitching about heroes they personally struggle with. Agree Infernus is still kind of problematic comparatively though.
>>544462290Wait til this guy hears about Anti-Mage
>>544461540Who are any of these people
>>544457018>45% winrateshe's not that great at laning
>>544462157How infernus' 1 has been allowed to exist in the state it's in for the entirety of deadlock is insane to me. >lifesteal that also gives damage amp and is a fucking anti heal tool
>is a doorman>the doormanwoooooooooooooooooooow
Playing Haze and grabbing trance or lens should force you into the penalty queue.>>544462290Paige is both Paige as in medieval assistant referencing her interest in knights and fantasy, and to sound like Page as in of a book.
>>544462427wait until he hears about nortrom
>>544462486just trannycord circlejerking dont mind it, 3 of those guys are confirmed trannies as well you can not make this shit up
>>544462290>improves your spirit>improved spirit>boosts your headshots>headshot booster>makes your bullets ricochet>ricochetwowwwwwwwwww
>>544462290Why is this bad
>>544458921i dont get why rebuttal doesnt build into counterspell
>rejuvinator>rejuvinates you>amber hand>is amber colored, has giant handDuuuuuuuuuude
>>544460186>Why are so many infernus players insane hyper aggressive Abrams-in-the-wrong-body morons.primary symptom of being carried by your overloaded basekit in lane. Same with paradox players.
ruby crystal daughter or extra health son
>sapphire flame>no flameswowwwwwww..???
>>544463423>is amber colored, has giant handHe's an orb face
>>544463158lmao who's the trannies, i never heard about that before
>>544462486People who went to an anonymous imageboard and are now getting put on blast by annoying retards, despite most of them just wanting to dick around with random frens.Next there'll be a discord and then /dlg/ will die permanently
>>544463545you flame the team
since there is no inhouse I shall venture in solo queue
>Matched with a Russian 5-stack that does nothing but feed>Twice
>>544463732don't know how to tell you this but there already is a discordwas fun while it lasted, this retarded namedropping and discordfagging shit is starting to put me off from playing even though it's the perfect place to try out retarded builds
>spectate match for 30s>get dropped into an infinite loading screenthanks icefrog
>>544464108if i get matched with total retards im just taking a short break, no chance im getting them in my team again
>>544461885Sorry I update it out of game a lot
>>544462054the problem with infernus in low ranks is that people are too indecisive and dont know when to engage, so infernus just builds up afterburn and instakills someone, possibly two people if he had ricochet, by plinking from afar because nobody builds debuff remover and nobody jumps him to stop him from blasting youBut really it's just a knowledge check. Without leech + hp item he's VERY burstable if you catch him without dash or silence him he cant lifesteal and cant manfight you
>guy d/cs immediately >both teams shooting the shit in /all>eventually everyone gets tired of waiting for him and give up on pausing>game is safe to abandon>guy rejoins>"sorry had to restart"what kind of absolute shitbox do these people play on and how the fuck does it even run deadlock to begin with
abilities and upgrades should be purchased with souls instead of granted with AP and soul gain should be doubled
>>544465124that's the curse of letting anyone have an internet connection
>>544465124>>"sorry had to restart"So many times I've had people respect someone having to restart but they have to at least say it BEFORE they pause and disappear. Shit drives me up the wall, especially when they have a duo and the duo doesn't say a fucking word.
>>544465217sounds stupid
>it's another episode of "Enemy Pocket sits behind our Guardian and refuses to leave"
>>544465508Yellow lane is fucking suffering. Always a Haze, Pocket or infernus sitting in that little alleyway being completely fucking untouchable.
>>544455028>what's the counterplayHave a good gun player.When I play Mina, or play against Mina, I realize that if there's a good gun character with gun lifesteal, Mina is basically just a free to shoot target in the sky.When I play Haze, she will be dead before she even finish her ult.
>>544465508>Don't have enough aggro to get picks>Enemy sits behind guardian for 15 minutes>Meanwhile other lane feeds like a motherfucker and now you're 0-0 12k souls having to deal with a 6-1 18k soul bitchFrick ya
>>544465380>Don't say a word, doing really well and mostly carrying team>Say I have to restart>Pause, disconnect>Game crashes on relaunch, have to relaunch again>Come back and it's been like 40 seconds of lost time so they INSTANTLY unpaused and no one else bothered to pause>In that SAME GAME enemy guy randomly disconnects>His team instantly unpauses>After a minute of no response, no warning, nothing when I ask them what happened I unpause because fuck them>Another pause>Another pause, it's been like 3 minutes and half now>MY TEAM is now pausing for this guy that didn't say a word and his teammates refuse to communicate but not for meThis game is gonna turn me into a serial killer.
The black woman of Valve unοriginality.These are TWΟ different characters.
>>544462157>>544462308I honestly don't understand what they were thinking with his design, i'm not opposed at all to using a FOTM meta pick (or a counterpick like MnK in this case) to avoid getting fucked over but he feels really boring to play with and really annoying to play against. DoT is so fucking gay when coupled with really good scaling + really low commitment application + a escape tool, what's the point of theoretically forcing him to get close to apply napalm by giving that limited range when he can just dash jump away right after and all his kills happen when he's already off screen anyways? Every interaction with him past lane is either you jump him and fuck him in the ass instantly or you try to chase him while he shoves chlamydia up your urethra and either die or run away with your ass hairs turned into cinder
>>544464890are you autistic and jobless?
>>544465124anyone that actually reconnects after being gone for that long is a certified fucking inbred, just take the goddamn penalty youve already ruined the game for everyone else you self absorbed cunt
>>544464954>if you catch him with his dash on cd>and you have silence>and anti heal>and you have someone to help burst>and>and>and
>>544467504I just press 4 as billy and kill him. ez
>>544467504he dies to slowing hex bro
>>544467182Every single on hit effect is unimaginitive garbage and should be deleted from the game. Mina, Infernus, Mirage, Haze, whatever, remove this shit
which characters are crutch characters?
>>544467956mina and paradox
>>544462290>pocket>coat has pockets
>>544465476it'd be based but icefrog is a coward
>>544468239i always thought i meant pocket dimension because thats what his briefcase is
>enemy doing the Glocket build>melts three of my teammates in a blink of the eye and dodges everything we throw at himThe fucker farms too fast, by the time everybody in the map was 15k he was 23k and growing without us feeding him kills.
>>544462290>keeps you on your toes>bebop>doesn't have a job>holliday>never gets picked>miragewoooooow
Inhouse upM50D8M50D8M50D8M50D8
>>544468602Glocket sounds funny but I keep winning do spirit so I'll have to wait for an inhouse>>544469043we tried and couldn't even get six
>>544469043what's the discord invite?
What is sprint speed? It's not the same as movespeed. Is it your dashes or what?
>>544469127>we tried and couldn't even get sixThat was in the past, move on.I'm hosting it until it fills and if it somehow doesn't then delete the thread, it's over
>>544469139>what's the discord invite?VV4MsY8w
>>544469383If you run for a couple seconds you start sprinting, that's sprint speed.It's a dogshit stat because it's cancelled by literally everything, from punches to shooting to ANYTHING.
>>544468872>vindicta>has a di-I mean is vindicive woooooooow
M50D8M50D8M50D8M50D8Need 4 for inhouse.
Yoshi couldn't let my 86% win rate slideRhis is genuine tortureI never feed, usually win lane, but it doesn't matter when my lanes go 0/10 each by minute 10. Recurring issue.
>>544440085Victor and Geist ults are escape tools
>>544470021>86% win rategame id'd you as a smurf
>>544462054No, Infernus is definitely unfair. Improved Spirit, Swift Striker, maybe basic mag. GG he can instantly proc afterburn and you lose half your HP bar in lane, 75% if he also has Toxic. Can run away or rush in with zero punishment.>>544464954Reminder, that if you debuff remover his burn, he instantly reprocs you within half a second and now it's on a 50s cooldown.>Don't know when you engageThe answer is almost never unless YOU have a massive advantage over him, since he'll shoot you, proc, keep shooting which resets the cooldown. If you stay, you die. "if" you get close to killing him, he'll run and you die offscreen. If you try to run, he chases you for free.The things you've given to counter him are all ifs and situational. Infernus doesn't need those, he just kills you straight up, no special items or scenario.>captcha: GAYTS
>>544467847Billy ult doesn't stop him from just shooting you, lol.
>>544469548>is an asshole about people's taste in music just like billy corgan>billywoooooow
>>544468872She’s the fucking sheriff of Macomb buddy
Remove mid from this game. Keep everything the same, remove mid, and release it.
>>544470595you dont debuff remover while youre still fighting him you do it after you escape or kill him , duh
>>544462486only one I know is shallow because he's been dumping clips here since the game came out
>>544471167remove my dick from your mouth and we might be talking. fuck you
>>544471167true hour long games will save deadlock
>>544471427>get one pick>run mid at like 18 mins>free winthe game should not be decided by a single mistake
>>544468602>Glocket buildis there a specific tech here or is it just buying generic good orange item and using your abilities for the buffs/movement only
New way to farm seethe: Pick bebop in sidelane knock the healer creep back on top of your fog gate bridge Denies souls and provides infinite healing
>>544471682Sounds like an idea a fog gate would think up
>>544471497>>544471427>>544471167Mid is necessary to make games end before 50 minutes but they should make it more contestable and less strong somehow. They already nerfed it from 4 lives to 3 on second boss but maybe first boss should only be 2
>>544471832people complaining about the current meta have no clue how god fucking awful long game times are
six10 in the inhouse seems to be cheating. based
its so unfair that kelvin's simply allowed to w+m1 at you and win, I don't feel like his ice beam should be simply better than your gun
>glass cannon>lucky shotyup, time to rank up
>>544471083and that's why i've never heard of Macomb, because it was destroyed in her absence
>>544472356wow the new zenyatta skin is lit
>>544472356i knew he was cheating
>>544470253>using smurfs to average out the team elo of terrible players and match them against stronger teamsbased
>>544472356looks legit to me stop being paranoid about players that are just better than you
>>544472356>cheating in dlg inhousefucking kek
>>544472356>stacking>discord gossip>cheatingwhy would anyone ever join an inhouse
>>544472356It's called noclip and anyone can pop it
>>544472384it's not.if you're building gun and losing the trade with beam you're fucking up bigtime.
>>544472753the first two are schizophrenics freaking out over nothingburgers and the last one seems to have only happened because some retard enabled cheats in the lobby
>calico from the other side of the map ignores a wave to dive a mina 4k up and runs into her lane partner mirage then complains Im useless for box farming instead of expecting her to go full retardsome of the people that play this game are so delusional man
>>544471601>Kinetic Charge and Point Blank>Barrage someone >dash-jump/Cloak>magdump the poor fuckersAnd yes you buy Gun item up the ass.
need help with viscous. i do no damage, almost always bottom player damage on my team. no idea what i should be building
>>544472356he spent the whole match trying to troll and he was painfully unfunnyhe also lost.
>>544470253>>544472605I'm not even a smurf.I came back to the game a week after victor came out for the first time in a year.
>>544472356nigga posting about himself in third person like we won't notice
>>544472874>TA covering his ass againJust don't do in the future and people will get over it.
>>544473235Just become a healslut that rescues people. Rescue beam / double cube.
I'm not very good so sorry in advance, idk the level you all are at
>>544472808She's clearly emptying her clip into Seven
>>544473418>your pub gamesI-IT'S MUH TEAMMATES>your ih gamesI-IT'S STACK ABUSERSno accountability
>>544473447what does healing people have to do with being a slut
>>544472868>slows you>slows your firerate>spirit lifesteal>prancing his gay little gayboy dance 100 miles in the airwhat's the counter in two items or less?
>Get placed into lower ranks game>Need to carry the whole team or I lose>Get placed into higher ranks game>Teams are retarded and I still need to carry the whole teamWhat? Why?Please don't tell me there's a hidden MMR shit and I'm being matched with the same level of retards regardless of what the "average rank" shown in the result screen.
>>544474159blood tribute
>>544474127Shut up, healslut. Buy rescue beam and put on the panties.
>lane partner was so happy with my kelvin gameplay that he sent me a friend request>nervous about accepting itI think I'm too old to make new friends idk
>>544474524you people sure are lonely
>>544474159Every player actually has two secret items unlocked by defaultThey're called the Alt and F4 keys
>>54443863840 hours in only playing bots. I big dick'd my way through the first 20 using shootan skills and a basic understanding of moba stuff. I'm now getting into the skills/spells fine tuning and I think this game could be very fun.
>>544474627>Lane partner hated me so much he inted for the rest of the game while screaming about me in voice chat>sent him a friend request after the gameIt's never too late to make friends, anon
>>544474627i have like 5 of those pending now, i don't even talk in game or anything.motherfuckers are just looking to get carried.
>>544474729That reminds me of when my buddy and I would play Paladins together and we would invite only the most toxic people to party up with us so we could egg them on and watch them melt downGood times
>>544474418>the only winning move is to KILL YOURSELFgg
>>544474524what should i do if this gave me a boner?
>>544474973the 50% debuff resist goes a long way against a beam that has all of it's power budgeted towards debuffing the shit out of people. this shit is underrated, you should always buy this item if there's someone in the game whose job is to reduce your ability to play the game. the attack speed buff lets you win the trade and makes it a horrible idea for him to try and aggress on you if you have it.you're gonna hurt him more than he's gonna hurt you, even if you're using an item that hurts yourself.
>get fed on viscous>spam get pregnant when I kill a female ritualistwas fun
>>544472874it wasn't a nothing burger. Enough people noticed a certain two players always laned together despite how much of a stomp it led too. I think most of us chalked it up to chance but someone found that they were steam friends and would literally wait for one another before choosing a lane. At that point it became unforgivable since at the time it was actively ruining the inhouse. Then they'd go in the thread and go "erm well you're just mad theyre better so you're making things up!!!"
>>544475543yeah but it finally fucking stopped and people are still bringing up stacking for some fucking reason.
chatGPT match making
You started this fight, I'm just ending it.
>>544475543it was something that only happened in a handful of inhouses and has stopped since yet you niggers keep pretending like it's every game, that's the problem
I said good day sir
thoughts on this hero comp balance? I think it was balanced almost in our favorteammates just BROOL'D and we lost because of it
>>544473418>>544475694literally the day after being called out they just went on alt account (still friends on steam mind you) and did it again John Deadlock and at the time Chris Breezy. What a pair of subhumans.
>>544476030this is what confirmed it for me. I can get wanting to lane with your boyfriend even if it's a bit unbalanced but even after getting asked to stop and called stackers they just do it again and again and try to spam the thread that "actually we're just heckin lions get good". It shows it was entirely malicious
>>544475937Too many pick ults on the left compared to rights team ults.I'm no e6 or whatever but I've found you need a decent mix of team ults and pick ults to win.
>Melee baboon with gargantuan AoEs on every skill, facemash and still land everything>All his skills have leaping animations that shift his head hurtbox around, making him impossible to gun downFun
>>544474684>40 hours in only playing botsGenuinely how did you not kill yourself yet? Bots are good for like a quick tutorial run but they're brutally boring. If you like the game now you're gonna be blown away when there are 10 other players (and one bot disguised as a player) in the serverJust try to have fun. Don't too stressed about win rate this early, just go nuts, try all the heroes, mess around.
please remove this unfunny retard from each and every subsequent inhouse. stalk his account so that he doesnt join in ever again.>voice of an aspie autismo who plays valorant>humour of a 9 year old>sole point of existance is pissing into other people's fun 'n' games for no reason whatsoever
M50D8M50D8M50D8need 2 for inhouse
got torment pulse late and felt nude half the game never again
le drama faecbunch of fucking girls
>"wow that was a good game, I did great">average rank was lower than mine>"wow that was a tough one, I did shit">average rank was higher than mineI'm nooooticing, noticing I'm not fucking improving
I'm always lowest damage in every game I play, win or lose. Am I supposed to fight more?
>>544476431I still think we had a better comp. viscous, billy and drifter kept looking for fights and wraith just jungled and donated bags. all had like a .25 k/d
NEED ONE NIGGA FOR INHOUSEM50D8M50D8M50D8
How do we feel about those hyper aggressive bruiser green/purple Holliday builds? I see people do well on them but it feels like a meme
>>544476775just dont play inhouse retardplay match making, its the lesser of two evils
>>544477326inhouses are chill thothat guys just mentally ill
>>544477064big ass forehead
I want to build to be a tether+fire-suppressor/slow annoying memegoblin with maybe rescue beam and nova and healing tempo too as a treat but I'm scared about that playstyle tanking my damage numbers so I look useless
>>544476718>Genuinely how did you not kill yourself yet?I've been grinding different builds and different heros to perfection. some people practice before they play, scruberino.
Need one more for inhouseM50D8M50D8M50D8M50D8
>>544477704I have 2000 hours and the last time I played with bots was when PvP matches were only unlocked in the afternoon. Some days I just sit in the testing room staring at my build and hitting the training dummy, don't step to me, kid
>>544474684I know who you are
>>544477563can't wait for the porn of her where she's gagging on my cock and she lives deep lipstick marks like in the emmo frost st
the AP 1/2/5 system is kind of annoying to think about
I'd rather games be long and even than short and one sides desu
>>544478509Too bad, you'll get long and one sided instead.
>>544478129Why is Goku's text tiny and in red?Fucking retard
>>544478509>desuthat is not what I typed, interesting
>>544478636>filters from over a decade ago
>>544478624
>>544478271thanks but I was really looking for like, advice or something
>>544478168blood. ocean. >>544478129oh yea well I started hammering my nuts as soon as valve announced deadlock
>>544478780Kill yourself retardTiny red textFuck you
>>544478624goku lost so he gets red text on mspaint jpeg
>>544478624>>544478636
>>544478636desu baka senpai
>>544478773>>544479238>>544479343filters? what, are they default? I didn't bother with settings, so how would I change that?
I forget do we still have the onions into onions filter?
>>544479427Well that answers that
>>544479427why would you need to filter onions into onions it's already onions?
>>544475363how would debuff resist help with beam? It's not going to make the slow weaker, just shorter. Since he's constantly re-applying it nothing happens until he stops channeling.
candy ass roody poo the peoples champions
>>544477563>>544478828healing tempo and nova seem kind of bad for her even when ignoring their lack of valuable stats
hero for this feel?
>>544479862>>544479427>roodypoos
>>544479923ty, I was thinking that in a fight I can like, explode fire rate into my teammates but I guess it is only a few seconds
>>544479832it makes it weaker, you don't know how debuff resist works.
>>544480129Maybe Drifter for the +ammo +fire rate -blast radius for nuking other heroesboots, I dunno, maybe Majestic leap in general
explain to me how you can own a catch phrase
>>544480367No, I think I do.
>>544480328if you want that why not just go heroic aura
>>544480469oooo
>>544480447huh, i guess i don't actually know shit about videogames.always felt like it reduced slow effects, still an item i always buy to deal with kelvin beam though.
>>544480870probably because you're buying enduring speed/fleetfoot every game which give (movement) slow resist.
Kelvin just gets to bypass debuff reduction because well he needs it
>>544475051Post a Discord tag so we can play together, obviously.
>>544476641billy's headbutt definitely needs a hitbox adjustment such a strong skill should not be a guaranteed land if youre in range
>>544480367>it makes it weaker, you don't know how debuff resist works.soul
>>544480931it might just be the increased attack speed and movespeed making the debuffs feel less bad.i always buy blood tribute against juggernaut buyers too.
>>544480964he needs to get cancer and go to fucking hell, that's what he needs.
>>544473235you do a bunch of chip damage by staying alive. you can try torment pulse + Cdr + tankbuster then just build full greens to stay aliverescue beam is okay if youre a pussy hiding in the back but if you build full greens just cube yourself instead of saving others
>get to the skill range of "having 1-2 bad players on the team automatically ruins the entire lobby and makes the game unplayable>game goes from "most fun ive had in several years" to "unplayable boring shit" in a matter of daysah, was a fun run while it lasted
I SURE DO LOVE THIS NEW RANK REWORK THEY ADDED! STILL LOVE SEEING POOPSOCKERS ETERNUS PLAYERS IN ORACLE GAMES!
>lose 10 matches win 10 matches and go 2-9, genuine dogshit>rank unphased>follow guides, lose 2 matches but go 7-3>double red arrow full rank drop
>>544480964still reduces the debuff timer if you can actually get out of his Beam LoS (which is impossible, since it can magically goin around corners)or reduce the time on his snowball slowAnd fun fact, that's all debuff reduction does, reduce timers, not the magnitude of them
>>544479862KEK
>>544481026https://pastebin.com/gY8LNsA1
Give me your most annoying build.It doesn't have to be meta.It doesn't need to help you win.But it needs to be so annoying the enemies will ask you to uninstall.
>>544483156>rescue beam, bullet lifesteal and vortex web D
>>544483425bullet lifesteal definitely belongs there
>>544483421it's just mo and krill with only purple items
>>544483421any non-troll mo & krill build
>>544480129Lash/Pocket with Leap
>>544483421green mina
>>544483156>t pulse in C
>>544483421duration + echo shard + range seven stun
>>544483156wait it gets worse>smellbreaker on S but the strictly superior, half cost countersmell A?????????
>>544483739smellbaker has half the cd so it's better for pure-damage skills like talon arrow or vindicta snipe, not to mention the lack of skill check in timing it right.Countersmell in contrast is better against CC/displacement rather than pure damage since those usually have a wind-up or longer CD.
>Ennemy presence on the minimap>Lane advancement>Bridge buff timing>Urn timing>My economy>Teammates economy>Ennemy team's economy>Teammates items>Ennemy team items>Camps>Ult economyHow am i supposed to keep track of all that at once?
>>544484317Adderall.
>>544484424i wish
>>544484317is shooting creeps that focus-intensive to you?
>>544483156Enduring speed is definitely an A, if not a S.Extremely important for how cheap it is.Richochet and Mercurial Magnum should be in S and A too, massive powerspike on every gun hero in the game.
>>544484490>ricochetlmao
>>544484317>>Ennemy presence on the minimapthis is like 100% of what you'll actually be paying attention to and the most important skill for macro play you can have in mobas>>Lane advancementlooking at the red spots on the minimap>>Bridge buff timingidk>>Urn timingit's on 5 minute intervals so not really that hard to remember>>My economythis is easy>>Teammates economydoesn't matter unless they're hyper rich or hyper poverty useless>>Ennemy team's economylook at their net worth and don't take shit fights if they're richer than you>>Teammates itemsbasically doesn't matter>>Ennemy team itemslearned skill>>Campsminimap>>Ult economyreadily available info
>>544484776>>>Bridge buff timing>idkalso a 5 minute timer.
>>544484776t.Ritualist
This game fucking sucks
>>544484872wrong, initiateGOD
>>544484490>Enduring speed is definitely an A, if not a S.Not in a Fleetfoot world.
>>544485106i build both some games, enduring is better than fleet foot if they have any reliable slows at all btw
>>544484317Easily.
Man, getting Shadow Weave on Drifter is fun, but I can never tell if I should buy Glass cannon or Focus Lens First immediately after. Once I have both, that's a guarantee kill on some poor fool alone outside of base, but without Glass, I might be able to kill them before Lens ends, but maybe not, and without Lens, they might pull some bullshit and I can't secure the kill because of it.
is there a reason I shouldn’t run double bomb plapadox with torment pulse
>>544485719gun is more damage and not as easily countered
Anybody got the audio splice of Lash blowing Bebop and Kelvin acting gay?
What is it about Haze that makes her players need to ragequit or grief?
>>544486327no clue but it happens a lot. Seven/haze/infernus
>blasted melee health bonus is actually blasted heavy melee health bonus with half value on melee>bullet amp on wrecked target doesn't do anythingcool
Kelvin is honestly just ridiculously brokenYou buy torment pulse and just molest someone for 6 seconds and they can't escape and you outheal any incoming damage.It's like a legion commander duel you can't lose
Does Capacitor's active remove Billy's blasted status?
>>544487353Yeshttps://deadlock.wiki/Capacitor
>>544486505>sevenI swear I'm the only nigga who still plays him
>>544471923only leaguefags complain about long games. rejuv is a trash mechanic rn
>get ulted by wraith and jumped by 5 people >expect my paige to ult and counter initiate>she ignores me and lets me die then uses her ult vertically looking down at some enemy alone and just misses it anyway
>>544471682this is not new lil bro, did someone post it on r*ddit or something
>>544487401>Capacitor can delete the cubeOOOOOOOOH
>Try out active reload>Now everything feels wrong whenever I don't buy itI ruined myself.
>Started picking Haze because I got tired of getting shat on by an unattended fed Haze>Actually start seeing success with her>Starting to really like the assassin/carry playstyleI'm sorry /dlg/... I have fallen...
>>544487090>60% heavy melee on bashdown procs heavy melee cooldowns on items but does not proc their heavy melee effectsthis game is dota spaghetti all over again isn't it
>>544488431Titanic Magazine, Stamina Mastery, Active reload.The three most addictive crutch items in the game.
>>544459372Shitstain detected
Victor's 1's hitbox is so fucking stupid. I hit people center mass point blank and it won't fucking register.Yoshi, kil yourself.
>>544490221Prove it
>>544490221this except I get hit by victor's 1 when I'm a mile away from him
I think I just hate the concept of ASSFAGGOTS. I hate farming and grinding so I have so much more life and damage than my opponent and just beat him because I spent my time more efficiently. Is there a character who does zero farming of any kind?
https://streamable.com/3750nxthis is the type of paige player that keeps her at only 53% winrate
>>544490593maurice and krilliam, drifter, calico
>>544490593Not really, but in general spirit-oriented characters need less farm. If you're playing someone like Paige, Doorman or Kelvin you will still need to farm, but it's more about catching waves, getting boxes, hitting a sinners every now and then. And honestly the higher rank you are the less time you'll spend farming in any given match, because your farm routes will be more efficient, your rotations will be better and the match will overall last way less time. I'm Ascendant and i barely ever actively stop to farm, it's just something i do when going from one place to the other.
why the fuck don't people leave in a 5v6 situation? who wants to play that?
>>544490593just play kelvin
>>544491139ENTER
>>544490791Fucking disgusting. It should be illegal for Paiges to eat farm. Imagine your Paige eating thousands of souls that could instead have gone to your Infernus or Yamato or Pocket.Speaking of, this hero is fucking absurd. Barrier meta gives her free lane wins.
yo check out the new designs they put on the ceiling of the hideout, its a rather cute mural
I dont know how the fuck kelvin keeps getting away with this shit, he is vastly superior to dynamo in every conceivable way>better lane>shorter cds>more healing>more damage>more mobility>tankier>better at contesting objectiveslike why does this fucking nigger get to stay so stupidly strong, Im tired of incremental nerfs that dont do anything because hes still two fucking deviations stronger than his counterparts, just gut him already, if I have to do deal with another unwinnable lane because hes butt buddies with another mongoloid and traps me in the fucking retard chamber Im gonna lose it
>>544492082>Wipe out most of his team, the rest run away>It still takes a fucking long time to kill his fed ass thrice because he had refresherI honestly hate Victor. It's either he's completely useless or a goddamn raidboss.
>>544485914https://files.catbox.moe/zd8rhy.webm
>>544486327>>544486505fucking tell me about it.
>>544479923>>544480328Tempo is pretty good on Vinny if you have Resto Shot, it gives you perpetual fire rate boost while in the air and drastically increases your damage since it's a 40% fire rate, but you'll only make full use of it if you have actual healing items like beam and nova.
>>544490593just go play rivals you mindless lil nigga
Who among the cast was raped during the sweltering summer of 1952?
>>544492871>If you hate X it can only be for the reason you like YWhy is this general obsessed with this line of thought?
>>544493092yeah he literally said he hates the moba aspect of the game, that means he wants the hero shooter part, in which case go play fucking rivals instead of forcing yourself to be here
>>544492085I lost super hard that game with 11 deaths, then the next game my paige went barrier and I went 15-0. I get wanting to have fun but they should just pick a different character to do gun damage
>>544490593hold on for the second game mode
>>544491139Meh, I had some fun 5v6 matches even if I ended up losing.
>>544492871>>544490593>>544493274the ARAM mode is coming to deadlock , marvel rivals will be crushed beneath the girth of gaben's cock
If we all coordinate our feedback we can get HOTS style objectives added to deadlock
>>544493721mina's*>>544494209can we get probius added to deadlock too
I miss having item slots
When will valve add a focks hero to this game?
how long should i wait if i don't want to reque and get with the same players after a match?
>>544459372>losing lane on mina
>watching song of silk on eido stream>he's ass
>>544486327Hypercarries M1ggers are often confusing being unstoppable fun kiling machine after AFK farming for +20 mins with skills.So when it doesn't work out because either they have little value when camps and walkers are being pressured or because they were disabled by support or a stronger carry, the cognitive dissonance kicks in and they often lash out.
remove all cc characters from the game
feels so good playing maurice & krilliam and hitting 1 to heal for 500 hp
>>544494963wew lad I just started JACKING OFF with PORN!
>>544495726dont you mean feels so GAY
Fleetfoot or Surge of Power on dynamo?
>>544496243no.
>>544496538enduring speed
>>544495857God forbid someone post something other than baratranny shit.
which build do you friends recommend for viscous?
>>544497516Mine :)
>>544497554that's great! would you mind sharing the build number so I could learn from it?
Boy Bebop being able to punch creeps onto roofs they get stuck on is fucking miserable in lane.
Whats the point of geist? is it literally just "shoot and heal a lot and do a lot of damage/be annoying and hope you kill people"?
>>544497707spend health to deal damage and gain health back by stealing it from your enemies
>>544497516I dont play viscous but check if goober or vegas have published builds, those are the two best viscous players
>>544496950I wonder why I run so fast with enduring speed.Surely 2m/s can't be that fast, right?
>>544496950Not for the movespeedI always get enduring speed anyway
Fucking finally ranked up to ascendant 3. Needed to maintain like 66% winrate in 50 matches
>>544449160They ARE hosted on NA times, they're in the late evening EU time for normal people, NEETs need not reply
>>544495857Annoying faggot
Is the matchmaking this bad in CS2 and Dota 2?
>>544495857Based
>>544497707Be a consistent damage dealer that's hard to focus down. Youre basically area control. You drain targets that dive and lob artillery to backline
Is MikuGinny shit or is it just me? She seems a lot weaker than a few months ago.
>>544501015Matchmaking isnt that bad unless there's a smurf. The game is just very snowbally so if you start losing and dont make good (risky) plays youre gonna lose even harder and get stomped. You absolutely CANNOT passively jungle and hope to come back but that's what 80% of low ranks do and it just griefs the remaining teammates in lanes harder than it already was.
>>544501239She's alright. Not strong not weak. She's great at laning so if youre losing lane that's your problem you need a good start
>>544501240what are you even supposed to do when you're down? pull a pick out of your ass and get a lucky splitpush? silly
>>544501567Yes, keep in mind that most players in the game are retarded and will make exploitable mistakes like overextend, gank their ass
PULP HERO WHEN
>>544501567you have info advantage if youre behind so just zipline out after shoving and choose one of the retards pushed up on side lane to gank and pray it works, if you have a bebop or lash then the game is kidna easy to force mistakes with repositioning, buy curse to make ganks easier if they buy defensives or have mobility spells
How do people deal so much damage? In comparison to me, I feel like I NEVER deal that kind of damage, even if I'm on the 'winning' team, even if I have most souls in the game.Someone else plays McGinnis and rapes my entire health bar in 2 seconds. I play McGinnis and I have 3 turrets shooting, wall them off, have used my entire magazine twice, and heavy melee them and haven't even gotten them to 10% HP. Someone plays Magician and does (literally) 1000 damage with their Bolt, when I do it, I hit them for 300 at best. Genuinely have no clue what's wrong with what I'm doing compared to others. I buy the items I should, I try to counter pick or rebuy if necessary (like if the enemy gets high bullet res when I'm gun build), I use my skills well, etc.
>>544484776how are you able to mentally parse urn timing and not bridge buff
paige players that actually buy curse + knockdown are such a fucking nightmare to fight.
>>544502815knockdown is easily her best item
>>544502093>you have info advantage if youre behind?
>haze player that buys shit gun items and no defense items is on my team this gamei lost the coinflip bros.
i do not understand what i'm doing wrong as viscous. i land my puddles, do clutch cubes, knock people down with ball, yet my winrate is total shit and is tanking my otherwise high average. every match i end with dogshit stats too. and nobody ITT seems to know how to build him so why am I even asking for help noone plays him here
What cope do I use to convince friend that this is moba but fun
can they just remove mcginnis turrets already they have no idea how to balance them at all
>>544503598haze don't need defense items though
>>544503805show him one of thesehttps://www.youtube.com/@DeadlockHigh/videos
So getting extra improved and boundless is good when your character deals spirit damage constantly opposed to just nukes?
whats a good replacement for eshift on victor now that its garbage
>>544486327Hard carries attract strong egos, and people with a very "solo" mentality despite it being a team game.
>>544497263Many better things you can do with your time on Earth>>544500510I like how you recoil when you are called out you pathetic little vermin
>>544505019Player skill
>>544501640fuck that's based as shit
>>544503515if they're pushed up and grouped they dont know if youre gonna defend or split push or gank, the map is kind of insulated behind the walkers hard to get info
>>544467272Maybe the former but not the latter, ill update it at work sometimes cause I dont have access to my pc
>>544470595I wonder why he's not very good at high level
Does Geists self-damage count towards her hero damage at the end of the game? Even with a crappy Geist I swear they always are one of the highest damage characters in any game
>be victor>teamfighting>maul them a lot, cooldowns taken, health peeled, get a kill>die, ult procs>team runs instead of playing around ult, leaving me to get jumped by their whole team and dieAfter this happened 3 times I just fucked off and afk farmed for 15m until we made the winning play
How are you supposed to "climb" ranks when it is a pure gamble if you win or not? I feel like skill has no determining factor in winning or not; the only winning factor is "are your teammates retards or not". If they're retards, you lose, if they aren't, you win. Like, it's pretty much just that simple.Retards do things like:>Don't defend lane/walker>Don't help teammates in fights>Don't provide heals or use abilities>Don't listen to call outs>Don't help take OBJ like lane/bridge buff/mid>Little to no map awareness>Don't take boxes or sinners, might farm a jungle creep (in the expense of letting 20 minions push down lane)>Don't understand their character fully or play them badly>etcTypically a combination of any/all of those things. There is just no fucking way to win when you are thrust in these scenarios. It doesn't matter if you're the best player out of the 12 in game when your 5 retards are doing so much unmitigable damage to the team all of your good deeds are squandered. Your teammates aren't teammates, they are enemies
>>544507343>How are you supposed to "climb" ranks when it is a pure gamble if you win or not?I invite you to examine literally every team game ever made; great players climb ranks by being great
>>544507343Its a team game and you are playing soloThis is like playing a sport with 90% ringers and wondering why no win
>>544507562I'm not saying they don't. And I'm also not saying I should be a top rank or anything like that. But I don't see how I am supposed to rank up when my teammates are griefers for my side (intentionally or not)? When you're in lane and your teammate isn't even helping you kill the minions, what are you supposed to do except lose? When they leave for no reason and make no call out to just do some random shit what are you supposed to do expect lose? When you are a prime opportunity to do something good like take midboss, take a walker, steal their farm, but they don't do any of it (despite you asking for help or telling them what to do), what else is there to do but lose?For every 1 good thing I'm doing, my teammates are doing 2 bad things. The math checks out bro, I can't do double the work. Hell even if it was a 1:1 good/bad that STILL means you aren't going to win. This isn't even counting things like players who cheat or players who leave or anything else. Just "gamble retard" teammates.
>see bad player on the other team>win>gotta wait 5 minutes before queuing so i don't get him on my teami don't like this.
Does victor need to be nerfed?
>>544507662No bro, you are entirely mistaken. I play for my team, I know it's a team game, I do every single thing I can to help myself and also my team. I make call outs, help in fights, clear lanes, buy good items, and so much more. Believe me or not, idc, it's the truth. I help my team try and win, I understand it's a team game and despite me hating my teammates at times, I swallow my pride and help them. It is absolutely the other people that don't understand it's a team game. I take blame for my issues or fuck ups in game. I do not take blame for my teammates who don't do shit when I am doing everything possible to help.
>>544507851you've made the biggest mistake you could makeyou shouldn't play to make your meme number go up. you should play to have fun competing regardless of the results>competition isn't fun when your teammates aren't acting competitiveyeah. bring your own friends you goof
>>544507930The amount of times I am playing and win a game and queue again and my lane partner is the worst player on their team is crazy.Genuinely believe the match making does it on purpose.
>>544508065I do have fun with the game regardless. I've had some of the most fun and interesting games on the losing side because it was a well balanced game and everyone played their best. I'm talking more from the perspective of how the matchmaking works, how ranks work, and what determines your rank point gain/loss. Because to me the entire system just doesn't work and is badly made. I'm not a coder or nothing, but you can't look at their MM system and say "yeah its good" when you have near hourly posts about how shit it is from its players. I do play with my friends but none of them are as good as me sadly.
>>544507343If they use the matchmaking from dota 2, then I assume it would be forced 50/50, but you lose/gain different amount of mmr based on the match's average rank & your score.
>>544507851You're the constant. Sorry bro. It is a skill issue. The other team also has the griefers and feeders. Just like not every game is winnable, other games you will win almost regardless of what you do. There is a size-able portion of games in which you can influence the outcome. Those games are how you climb.
Draft mode(but for players)Solo onlyEach team has a captain and each players top 3 heros are displayed. Captains take turns drafting players.Secondary "captain" mmr is added, if you are captain and win it goes up and increases you chance to be captain, if you lose it goes down
>>544507343>>544507851A rule of thumb that applies decently well MOBAs when you play an enormous amount of games is that you'll win about a third of your games by no fault of your own, and you'll lose about a third of your games through no fault of your own, and its up to you to impact the last third or so. One thing that is oft unacknowledged in online ranked games is just the sheer amount of games needed to actually rank up. You just gotta focus on asking yourself questions like "did I personally make good decisions this game? Did I make any mistakes that I can learn from now?" Its so much easier to shit talk your team on the post game screen, though, so....
>>544508364>other games you will win almost regardless of what you doI hate those games.I want the team to lose when I throw. Not to be proven that I'm not needed at all.
>>544508646>matchmaking places you in a game expecting you to carry>don't carry>matchmaking places you in a game expecting you to be a deadweight>don't throwwhat do you DO!?
>>544508501Actually instead of top 3 heros, players choose which heros to display, for variety
which one do I keep playing
>>544509003drifter
>>544508364>It is a skill issue.But is it though? I genuinely ask. I ask because yes, I could probably be more skillful myself, sure, I'm not saying I couldn't. Sure, I could make a better play here or there. But I already am playing at my best most of the time. I make call outs, I get kills, I get farm and steal farm, I keep my eye of bridge buff and take them (sometimes I get both!!!!!). When we get some solid kills I make midboss call (no one shows up). When a walker is low HP I go take it, when my teammates get ganked I try to help as much as I can (sometimes even rescue beam them). And so much more. I truly play as best as I can at all times.When my teammates dive every fight solo, when my teammates don't clear lane, when they buy shitty items, when they brool constantly and never back up, when they straight up don't even shoot at the enemy team, I ask you, what can I do about that? It makes no sense to say it's my skill issue when it's my teammates who are the ones not being skillful?
>>544509003paradox is a stronger hero
>>544509056i don't play rapist heroes (vyper is only thinking about rape)
>>544509064You skill issue is not in game, ita understanding how mm algos workIts like getting mad at dice
>>544509064>I already am playing at my best most of the timeevidently your best isn't good enough. a top player would get out of your rank just finethere are games you can't win, there are games you can't lose, and there are games where you can make the differenceif you can't make the difference in those games then you're where you belong
just another day putting in a good days work holding left click
>>544495857Based anon calling out the foxtranny>>544501640Could be Warden after the model upgrade
>>544507851Only the best of the best can get high ranked in solo queue. 90% of players stack that want to rank up. Anyone telling you its not a gamble is an absolute buffoon. Of course its a gamble, more so than other MOBA because you have to worry about 5 potential feeders instead of 4. Every game is one sided
>>544509064What I said is basically what applies. You seem to be genuine so I'll be less facetious. But really I will just be reiterating what I already said.Some games are (realistically) unwinnable. Even if you play your personal best game, you will lose. This is a team game, and you can only influence so much. However, an important point people will often forget is that the same applies in the other direction: some games are unloseable; you will win even if you terribly that match. But there absolutely are some games where everything else being constant, you CAN influence the outcome. Something as small as a key silence in a team fight, to as large as solo carrying it. If you maintain a positive winrate in those games, that means you will climb. Like this anon said>>544508573 however, it may take a while.
>>544509064
>get to ascendant, stop playing for a year>come back>lose 10 matches
I styled on an Ivy as Shiv so hard she instantly abandoned. Then two of my teammates abandoned and we lost three walkers in 8 minutes. Epic gamer moment.
>start using mic literally only to tell retards to get mid instead of pushing the walker (and not even getting it)>win a little moreI fucking hate talking cunt why don't these faggots know to get the 95% winrate objective
>>544509459>I could have played better>no condition to distinguish between make a plan or am I improving at an acceptable rateother than this confusion it's a universally true chartapplies to most skills desu senpai
I've learned that the best way to win with Drifter at pisslow is to buy Cultist and claim a lane for 20 minutes, then just kill everyoneActually playing Drifter gets no results because no one responds to ganks and you don't have enough damage to kill people in 3 seconds early on
>>544507960He’s already been nerfed plenty of times. At this point it’s just people refusing to counter + him being a lategame snowball like any other hyper carry. The issue is unlike other carries you don’t build defence + curse/disarm/knockdown to counter, you need to focus him as a team, use antiheal, and use instant statuses instead of ones that can be cleared. Like my last Victor game I had shiv throwing 1s and decays at me and bebop trying to put bombs on me. Doorman ults like I'm not gonna use that time to heal back up.
>>544509740>you don't have enough damage to kill people in 3 seconds early onmystic shot, headhunter, coldfrontmelee charge if your bracket hasn't installed the parry firmwarestop playing him like a man fighting hyper carry and start playing him like a burst heavy pick off rapist
>>544509865I already Cold Front, but a single extra chunk of 100 damage is not going to kill someone in 3 seconds bossBut yes I'm at the bracket where they parry 60% of the time but parry baiting doesn't work because they forget to parry the one time I do it
Why are infernus’ like, actual bots. It’s insane. Not even in that they can’t fight, they just don’t think. No comprehension of second level consequences or awareness. Oh yeah try for a 15 minute midboss and they’re all respawning and we don’t have the damage. What, retreat? No infernus can handle it and definitely not die, get two of us killed trying to cover him, and lose all 3 rejuv, even though three of us were telling him to stop trying for mid. And then in another match I literally watched our infernus die trying to solo midboss. Who does that. It’s like his brain turned off and his healthbar disappeared off hud and all that mattered was shooting.
>>544509760The real 1 item counter to victorfocus lensUsually this item is bad because the silence only applies to skills not items and people will just debuff remove it. However vic really really really doesnt want to buy debuff remover because of his 2, so a focus lens will either force him to lose or buy a useless 3.2k just to purge your debuff
>>544509996You can also focus on conditionals for coming online earlier
>>544509996mystic shot + headhunter give like an extra 300 damage which ontop of the damage from rend + spirit snatch + cold front should be plenty for you to farm stacks off people around 15-20 minutes. complete your mtf transition from a spirit chad to a gun tranny if you get good stacks for late game but I'm convinced that building full gun and trying to waddle people down is soft throwing
>>544510250>complete your mtf transition from a spirit chad to a gun tranny if you get good stacks for late game but I'm convinced that building full gun and trying to waddle people down is soft throwingnot that anon but yeah I agreeDrifter feels so good early if you don't build gun, I'm just not sure if I should be buying more spirit stuff 20+ mins in (sup duration, sup cd, decay, merc mag, surge of power) or transitioning to gun
How can iceshit keep this game interesting? The laning phase in Dota alone has more mechanics than an entire match of Deadlock.
>>544510250Since when does 45 + 50 translate to 300? Even with isolation amp that's 10 extra. Even with we assume you have Cold Front/Snatch (with the latter being procced first), Mystic goes up to ~100 insteadSo assuming they build no resists, that's like 150 damage extra for 2400. Which isn't bare persay, but it's not this magic 3-second-kill thing and it takes up 2 slotsI'm going hybrid like every Drifter, but Cultist first is still just going to get you a whole extra item by the time non-Cultist Drifter has the damage to run someone down in the jungle before they get to a teammate
Some of you really have to stop wanting this game to just be Dota 3 instead of its own thing.
>>544510556Dota perfected MOBAs.
>>544510396I make the call depending on how the game is going>enemy fronliner is snowballingdecay + mark build >enemy has lots of squishiesburst with arctic blast + tank buster>my gun carry is uselessmerc mag + greens>have an amazing game with lots of stacksfuck it, fire rate and res shred into vampiric burstI think one of drifter's big strengths is how well he plays in this utility brooler role and how flexible his build pathing is. I never feel fucked out of the game because I can just pivot my build
They need more permanent stack building items. There are only two rn.
>>544510942game is already too snowball, fuck that>>544510793alright, I'll try that
>>544510487mystic shot is 100 and headhunter scales off boons so by the time you hit your burst power spike it's about 150. so around 280 damagethe whole cold front > rend > shot combo is 900 damage. try it before you knock it
>>544507037No, self damage is its own stat. Geist just shits out damage constantly even when she's bad. Gigantic aoe that deals like 400 damage and then applies tankbuster, mystic reverb, spirit burn and leaves a dot trail that slows people down. And if she's not retarded she'll hit probably 2 people per bomb.
what do i buy to counter bebop bomb build
>>544511707debuff removah deletes his bombs
>>544511201But I like building stacks. Hell, make them non DPS related. Passive healing aura stacks. Gain more stacks for every X healing done to allies. Defensive stacking items that gain more permanent stacks every X amount of [damage type] received.I like building stacks.
>>544511865that seems like such a hard counter im surprised they would allow that
>>544511707Debuff remover (the best item in the game and should probably be bought every match), counterspell and spellbreaker. All three of these are great items to have even outside of countering bebop.Although spellbreaker is a little bit more niche I think it's one of the best defensive items aside from the get out of jail free cards that are debuff remover + counterspell, but it's a lot more slot efficient.
Anyone ever ran cheat death and refresher on Victor?
>>544511981stack building is gimmicky and makes my lemming teammates try to force terrible fights because they're distracted by delusions of 60 minute scalingthat said, make return fire gain stacks that amps its return damage. terrible item with a fine mechanic that no one buys because it has garbage numbers
should vindicta ult deal more damage up close or farther away?pros of it getting close range rampup:quickscopes in cqc are cool as fuckcons:wtf i just died to a long range character after closing the gap and forcing a close range fightpros of reverse falloff:extremely long range snipes are coolcons:wtf i got sniped on green from yellow lane
>>544511297NTA but you're selling me on trying drifter again with this hybrid shit. Do you have a build ID you typically follow so I dont have to write all this down or try to memorize it while I'm not at my computer?
>>544512152Cool. I like building stacks.>>544512349>should the long range sniper character be retooled to close range or long range
>>544512029if the bebop knows that you have debuff remover he can put the bombs on himself instead
>>544512349If a Vindicta can snipe me from a one lane into another they fucking deserve the kill man ngl.
>>544507037noit actually detracts from your healing stat if you hover over it on the end game stat screen>>544512349I like how it works now, I don’t think it would be more fun to obligate her to position in a certain way for any reason past being able to land her abilities or not die
>>544512626honestly snipe not having an assist reward makes it feel really bad when you snipe someone to 1hp and just have to shoot them to death and not get 800 souls
>>544512439im a 20th century schizoid man so I don't publish my builds but you can have thisprevious screenshot is the core build then I route however is best for the gamepretty much this >>544510793I don't really go heavy gun late game but buy burst fire and hunter's aura + weakening headshot/hollow point into a couple greens and vampiric burst as you're comfortable. should be fine
Cobbling together a lane tier list, to lazy to do the first thing but>OBVIOUS S TIERMinaBillyDoormanHollidayKelvinParadox>A tierInfernusM&KVindictaYamato
>>544509539The ritual must continue
>>544513057Greytalon?
>>544512962Yeah it’s my biggest gripe about the ability past not really being able to tell how close their hp is to being halfI wish the mechanic just had it work like mokrill’s ult where even if they die a short time after taking damage from the ult you get the reward as well
the clock tower in the hideout chiming on the hour is SOUL.
How do I play grey talon during lane phase?If my lane partner doesn't do anything, I can't do anything.
>>544513603>If my lane partner doesn't do anything, I can't do anything.This applies to everyone
>it's another double m1gger lane vs two tanks and I just have to hide behind cover for 8 minutes and get one or two picks when they overextendslow as fuck
>>544512975oh and as another note, knockdown + melee charge is pretty good on drifter if you like meleeyou can react to landing a mark with knockdown then you get a combo of teleport > cold front > rend > heavy with the heavy landing as they're stunned by knockdownI find it a bit gimmicky but it's a workable option. skip mystic shot and get melee lifesteal for lane and melee charge instead of head hunter. similar power spike and functionality but for melee players
>>544513896m1gger lanes blow
>>544513896buy monster bullets, kill their troopers and then go do something else.don't interact with them if they don't want to be interacted with.
>>544513561good morning sar! you are very beautiful, pls send bobs and vagene sar good morning
>>544513221>Yeah it’s my biggest gripe about the ability past not really being able to tell how close their hp is to being halfMy biggest problem is not knowing what "half" means, you can easily see on the top if the enemy is half health, but is half health 500 or 2000? will this take 1 shot or 4? Asassinate does surprisingly low damage if you don't really build into i and that is ignoring resistances.
>>544513726>This applies to everyoneNot really, I can apply some sort of pressure by myself when playing shits like Mina, Haze, or Doorman spamming bells.But as grey talon, I can't do anything.
>>544514283>My biggest problem is not knowing what "half" means+citadel_unit_status_use_new true
>>544514408the "new" health bars have way worse gamefeelif that wasnt the case i'm sure they would have switched over by now
>>544513603What the fuck do you mean. You zone with the traps. You poke hard. You have some of the best kill confirm in the game. You can run like a motherfucker. How the fuck do you not know how to lane with GT? The only thing remotely close to a skill floor for him is keeping an eye on other lanes so you can throw an ult at them if need be.
>>544514668To each their own, anon. I prefer the compressed healthbars.
>hey team can we group on me, I can kill literally their whole team if I have 2 people with me>hey guys just push 2 waves out and then play around me, I'm catching people constantly>hey guys I just killed 3 people but at least 2 of you are farming our jungle and have been for the past 3 minutes>someone come play the game>please>i'm begging you>before the people on their team 3 ranks higher than you just walk at you as you solo push their lanes into narnia>and die>like the past 8 times>nah it's okay you can just run in 1 by 1 like lemmings and dieYeah cool thanks for the mandated loss gaben
>>544514408>citadel_unit_status_use_new trueEven with the new healthbars it's hard to tell at a glance if someone is at 1 or 2 shot range, especially with the hundred variables affecting the damage of the shot.
>>544515147I mean how would you even solve this? Not really any reasonable way to fix that issue other than just playing enough to the point where you get a feel for it.
i just hope they keep the option to choose your health bar display type.i've gotten used to the giant chiclets and i always get a laugh when i see a mo and krill with 6 rows of HP bars.
>>544515292just calculate if you oneshot and make them execute red like shiv does>>544515147>>544514408new healthbars make it hard to judge just how tanky that abrams barreling towards you is thoughmeanwhile if his healthbar looks like it came from kingdom hearts you know he's gonna be a bitch to kill
>>544515090Yurp.
>>544515561I just judge that by character, honestly. If I see a shiv or abrams I know he's gonna have 3k health but if I see a Paige or Vin I know she's gonna get sneezed on and crumple.I will say though I'd prefer if the "new" healthbars had colour varieties on it to showcase the discrepency between the 6k mo and 3k seven.
>>544515561>just calculate if you oneshot and make them execute red like shiv doesThat's a dumb, spoonfeeding solution. How would you even do that reasonably. Every hero (usually) has 4 separate abilities.The only possible solution I could think of, if this really is that big of an issue, is to have the bullet resist and spirit resist as two small numbers adjacent to the healthbar.I still think that takes away from the skill expression, though
>>544515561use your thinker
>>544515561>just calculate if you oneshot and make them execute red like shiv doesThe problem with this is Vindicta's ultimate does a variable amount of damage and isn't even a true execute like GT's maxed owl or Shiv's ultimate. There's no "if their health reaches threshold instantly die". Theoretically a guy on like 130 hp could survive a Vindicta ultimate if they had Spellbreaker purchased
>>544515832I just take a quick peek at the enemy's items every now and then. How the fuck have you guys been able to play for more than 30 hours without keeping track of what you're fighting against?
>>544516209I'm on your side, to be clear. I'm just discussing the idea of more information being displayed on the new health bars, which >>544515147 seems to want
>>544516209personally I only check when I die but I do check every time I dieknowing when someone picks up shit like debuff remover can change a fight and knowing which retard doesn't believe in buying resistance makes target priority easy
>>544516351>>544516405I think I've just been conditioned from playing Abrams when even a single debuff resistance item had you need to buy duration / superior duration to counter them.
>>544515832i just meant for vindicta snipesince it's an execute that doesn't have a percent execute
>be the only threat on my team>they build 3 disarmingsgg I guess
>>544516513hmmm... no, no I don't think I need unstoppableI'll simply kill them before they can CC me
there's something i just don't get about this game, like my will to win doesn't exist somehow
>>544516638Yeah let me pull 6400 out of my assAnd surely I can kill their entire team in 5 secondsNigger.
>>544516513>"noooo, they shouldnt play optimally, they should give me a chance to solo carry noooooooo"
>>544517082Debuff remover is a 3k and you should buy that no matter what.
>>544517213I'm not faulting them for building it. I'm faulting my team for being completely fucking incapable of doing anything without me>>544517262Same thing. The other 2?>buy both Debuff and Remover with the money you get for being the shut-down carry :)Thanks
>carbines you for 1k+>puts 5 bullets in your head while you're slowed for another 500>leavesWhat's her fucking problem
>>544517406being scottish
>>544511297I tried it and it felt like shit compared to just buying HeadhunterBuying Headshot Booster on its own isn't too bad, but it absolutely doesn't scale as hard as any of the standard build orders
>>544514397if you can apply pressure solo on mina you can apply pressure on gt considering he doesn't need to land more than one arrow and doesn't need to be close either. Learn to hit your 1 it's extremely strong, monster rounds if wave is the issue.
>>544517406Aimbotting.
>>544514397you think its hard hitting a hitscan arrow that has the hitbox of a train????
yesterday it took almost 50 minutes to finish this match.the only reason we won is because their drifter was having connection problems and kept disconnecting from the match.>vindicta was basically a bot and even after telling her in english, spanish and pt-rb to not engage the enemy team alone she would simply just keep moving forward and dying, she died like 8 times trying to push the green lane which she somehow did>seven got killed somehow, got mad as fuck about it and fucked off the match>billy was going spirit so i am guessing he is pretty new, had to buy every counter I could to keep him alive, somehow it worked.
>>544517613Compared to just buying Hunter's/Kinetic*, woops
>>544518165How do you do 23k on fucking Doorman in a 50 minute match
>>544516159>The problem with this is Vindicta's ultimate does a variable amount of damage and isn't even a true execute like GT's maxed owl or Shiv's ultimate.At the same time that I think it sucks, I think if Vindicta's ultimate did % damage execute, she would be too strong.Vindicta pays a huge price for having those bonus souls on assassinate.
>>544518363he disconnected near the end of the match
What are you supposed to do as a Vindicta if a team fight happens in one of the rape alleys in the jungle and someone on the enemy team has phantom strike?
>>544518594hit your snipestake bird dash awayDO NOT BUY ANY EXPANSION ITEMS
>>544518594>a team fight happens in one of the rape alleys in the jungle and someone on the enemy team has phantom strike?Probe for executes by looking for people at low health, approach through the ground/rooftops and save flight to escape if people jump you. Vindicta's gun deals respectable damage even on the ground.If you really need Flight for damage, buy majestic leap, warpstone or some other item to give you another escape.
>>544518594buy your own phantom strike.
Thoughts on gun paige?
>>544518594Sleep soundly in the warm embrace of my preemptive reactive barrier
I just spam vinny ult for damage, that shit only has a 30s cooldown. I probably average 35-40ults a game
I keep falling off after lane phase I really don’t know how to manage teammates and splitpushing and defending vs attacking
>>544520479Do jungleDo sinners (jackpot)Catch wavesDon't stack (creep value falls off exponentially as more people are in a lane)
>>544519103
holy fuck just got raped by some wraith autist/smurf/aimboter. was fucking aids in lane, I geuss it's time for a break until the allnighters go to bed.
How was I supposed to carry this again Yoshi? I'm an Arcanist shitter holy shit stop giving me your toughest battles.
THE HUNT BEGINS*runs away*
>>544520630It doesn’t feel like money is my issue, more like I’m always stuck defending as the enemy seems to perfectly weave in fights and split pushing that leaves my team scratching their heads
>game gives me unfathomable difficult cancer matches against people 3 ranks over me when I play Drifter>game gives me drooling retard enemies when I play Billy, to the point I've genuinely stopped giving a fuck about trying and just walk down 1 lane all game knowing I'll kill the retards who run in 1 by 1This dogshit game really doesn't want me to become a Drifter main. I'm trying so fucking hard and getting 1/5th the results for 500% the effort
>>544521417Well he’s right, the hunt’s for him
>>544521417He's challenging them to catch him.
>>544521417I use the ult to take sinners for freeNothing else to do with this shit character for most of the game
>>544521417>"THE HUNT BEGINS">I go blind>spray randomly in his general direction>dome him twice and kill himKWAB
>>544513561why does she have an deadlock in her vagina
>>544513561what mod?
>>544513057Vyper is probably an F tier laner.Super squishy, no damage at range, no early items to turn her on, no clear.
>>544523730that's her poopyhole and it's because deadlock is the shit>>544523798https://gamebanana.com/mods/626538
>>544523861I usually win lane with Vyper only because retards are dumb enough to walk up close and let me poison them, which means any subsequent trade (whilst the poison is ticking) will end with me coming out ahead
>>544509605>i hate talking in this team oriented communication focused multiplayer social game
>>544524023not the guy you're replying to but i was considering starting to use my mic too.feels like if they spent a patch working on the ping system and stuff it wouldn't be necessary.
>>544523861vyper is SSS tier laner if you just buy spirit items
>>544523965i find the mod better with the remilia palette swap
freudian/jungian psychoanalyst character when?
>>544524349This is not true unless >>544523972You have to be playing against absolute retards to win as lane with vyper. Anyone that knows not to get close will win.
>>544524482
>>544524681if they can't get close you just push into their guardian and harass constantly with low-cd knivesmaybe you won't kill them but your gun is still the best in the game for sustained dps so you'll shred the guardian (the point of laning)also there's not much they can do against ult -> venom combo once you get it other than being toppled in hp 24/7
>>544524681>play with friend who's not played in a while>he goes 2 /10 /5 as geist and feeds the vyper and ivy I can't help but agree
New>>544525470>>544525470>>544525470
>>544523965says "mod is invalid" when trying to install
>>544524482All of deadlock is an excessive in jungian archetypesCarl jungC.j.Concrete jungle, the map, the canvas for psychological expressionThe heros are the archetypal flavors of individuation, the juxtaposition of their balance is reflective of our natural balance
>>544525797You should play a jrpg or something
>>544525652I installed it with the no-mod-manager method and it is working on my machine.
>>544523861Vyper has the highest gun DPS at lvl 1, it's just that people can kite her that it doesn't matter
>>544526846Yeah and it drops off at 2 meters.
