Pakalive Vol. 58 can be watched here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OFpPINIscgPrevious: >>544377007>Game NewsCurrent Rate Up: Transcend (3* Alt), Tokai Teio (SSR), Kiyoko Hoshina (SSR)New Scenario Campaign:>10 Free SSR Rolls>Trainer Exams>Halved TP Usage>Onsen Rate Up>Discounted RentalsJapan Cup Legend Race w/ Katsuragi Ace and Vodka (Christmas) starts on 11/5Tachyon's Factor Report returns in the coming monthLoH Dirt will be held on 11/21, Morioka, 1600m, left, autumnCM Mile will be held in December, Hanshin, 1600m, right, good, winter, sunny, No Debuff skillsCM Long will be held in January, Nakayama, 2500m, right, good, winter, sunny>Yukoma Hot Springs Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ud4JO6zlU9R1n9YjP13ORdWmFRab0o5_NLHIi5c_imY/edit?usp=sharing>IP NewsUmamusume Cinderella Gray S2 airing nowMore Lawson collabs on 11/25>Thread Circlesウマオオオオ (20 million/month), PUMA, ウマぴょいのまにまに (No quota)You must be E3 (20k points) to join a circle. Apply with /uma/ or /vg/ in your profile or post ID in the thread.>All Guides & Resourceshttps://rentry.org/uma26Find networks if your region is blocked from the game or clienthttps://www.umavpn.top/Seiyuu & Concertshttps://rentry.org/umst>/uma/ POG (Paper Owners Game)Register here: >>524354428Season 3: https://pog.netkeiba.com/?pid=tool_group&group_id=102454Season 4: https://pog.netkeiba.com/?pid=tool_group&group_id=108301>Cygames WebStore allows you to buy jims on any devicehttps://webstore.cygames.com/umamusume/>How to link your Cygames IDhttps://support.cygames.com/faq/applink_umamusume
It's time to predict the result of this year's AkiTen.What a strange year where the first and second favourites are three-years-olds. Hopefully Tasty Error doesn't fucking curse anyone this time.One interesting thing about this year's race is that none of the hors here share the same sire, so it's also a battle of the bloodline.https://forms.gle/TXfYU1RA6Gs9k3Jm9
>>544663906Had a dream last night where Sakurai announced Smash Ultimate Switch 2 Edition and the first character revealed was Goldship.
Also, here's a version of the current prediction results that also count placing vote.
>>544664113Come on Masquerade Ball... Give the durakids an Akiten win
>>544664113hopefully his curse is already spent after del rey scratchedalso the curse only affects horses from tasti's gen
>>544664113Take says it will be hard but I want to believe he can escape.
Jungle Pocket looks like she's ovulating constantly
u wot
I get Ikuno has a massive required race bonus but is she really the only uma who can hit the hard skillpoint cap right now?
What a cute life form.https://x.com/kanamezyudai/status/1983923206097367407
>>544666373I want to see Fusapan go into their room and get scared
https://litter.catbox.moe/61pvheir675s2am8.png
>>544666643She’s too busy dressing as a nurse and injecting people who don’t give her candy.
>onsenhag-pyoi posting failedWell, I wasn't sure if it was AI or not anyway.
Post spooky umas.
>>544667938All the kids were too scared of Mamechin…
>>544668157>stop looking like cop>kids start liking hersugoi
>>544667013>404 not found!?
>>544666310>but is she really the only uma who can hit the hard skillpoint cap right now?any uma with a fuck ton of races in their senior year probably can but you need to luckshit even more than ikuno
>>544669548Refer to >>544667204
w-wew
which umas IRL were/are friendly and cuddly with almost any random ningen and not just their favorite ones?
>>544676579mcfatty was one of the friendliest horss ever
>>544676579
>>544676579biwa hayahide was so gentle that he has the distinction of being one of the extremely few umas who got to keep his balls after retiring as a stallion.
>>544677698I want to pet her....>>544677279>>544678256I wish I could have pet them....
>>544684394We really need a database that keeps track of the current locations of all living umas and also has side notes on the temperaments and pettability of each and every one
What do we think his chances are?
yatta...
>>544692184dark hors
>>544692184>No horse further out than No. 9 has won the race in the past decade.it's Meisho Over
>>544692504>Low but not zeroThere's still a chance...
What's the genre of the new scenario song? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't seem to remember
>>544696237Enka
>>544696357あざす
>>544692184almost none, but i can't help but love him.i think he's definitely grown strong enough to place. i'll be really pleased if he can get his first ever second or third place finish.he'd probably have to be a history-changing horse to win in spite of the odds, but he's unpredictable enough to make that an exciting concept.
I can't even get close to max speed with this scenario. I'm going back to Tucker's island...
>>544686556what I need is that plus optimized travel routes to the farms and info/links on how to book plus a brand new shuttle service for enjoyers of comfy cute retired horsies
h-how are the costume ears and tail moving so realistically and why aren't they coming o
Is onsen really better than Tucker right now?
Hanshin lost last night. The Hanshin Tigers are officially losers once again. All is right in the world.
>>544699536I don't know how people resist the urge to ask every horse they meet "hey buddy why the long face?"
>>544705369Too busy booping the snoot.
>>544705369
>>544705369Horse has long range attack. Not worth the riskhttps://x.com/tarutaru_mage/status/1983833253367996624
>>544708254LOL he's fucking pissed
>>544696237kayoukyoku
Which creature is the weirdest of them all?
How the hell are you supposed to know when an support event unlocks when theres no leveling anymore?
>>544709104https://x.com/tarutaru_mage/status/1983861134223646867?s=19Of course he'd be pissed, the ningen approached him with 0 food offerings
1 year old gray fillyPapa: ContrailMama: ReframeGranddad: American Misspellinghttps://x.com/yamaguchistable/status/1983467947147592008
>>544708254>tarutaru mage懐かしい
(just a what-if no there isn't a new pakatube video)
sex with ningen
>>544711858He's so mad, I've never seen a hors pout and mumble to himself like that before. Tue fatfuck has such a colourful personality.
>>544712370>*sniiiiiiiiiiff*
whats the general strategy for the onsen scenario
>>544713720No rest. No optional races. Just training and going on dates only.
>>544713720
>>544704227From what I'm seeing, it seems like Tucker will give better general stats while Onsen gives more skill hints and skill points.So I guess it's a case of wanting to a hors with way better stats and less skills, or build a hors with all the skills but very specialized stats. I guess it's more useful if you're training for short or mile where you can just abandon stamina, but then again, you also need a highlander deck to use the special effect of the second to last scenario onsen.
On what LB can I replace my Almond Eye MLB with onsen Teio? I only have her at 0 LB
I'm not sure if it's legal
>>544714039>but then again, you also need a highlander deck to use the special effect of the second to last scenario onsen.You can double up on one of the same card so you don't have to use a full spread.
>>544714698Do potato niggers really?
>>544667938
>>544716105TWINS SEXXXXXXXXXX
>>544714329it gets better at 2LB though you kinda need it at 3LB+ because hint level 1 is not usable. for the onsen scenario you could argue she is better than Ai at 1LB or 0LB because of her scenario link
>>544692184will either win or will get a double-digit placing, no in-betweens
The game is really trying to make me use my Buena funds.There's no real benefit to MLBing the hag, right?
>>544717924Can I drop stamina / wit so i can use both teio and ai in onsen? I heard it's better to go highlander...
>>544718506If your going to do it, now is the best time or at least when she shows up for another pickup. Just don't ever waste a crystal on friend cards as a rule.
>>544705369HUH WHAT SNIFFSNIFFPRRHSNIFFSNIFFSNIFFPRRHWHAT WHAT'D YOU SAY SNIFFSNIFFPRRH YEAH THOUGHT SO
>>544676579Buena, NTR, and Biko are very friendly to ningen and love the attention.
>>544714698DELICIOUS FINE B R O T H
>>544716105They're twins in essence for sure.
>>544676579Doto is one of them (as long as you're not Ryuji Wada)
>>544711543Strange fluffy Ogurin.
I want to fuck a hag (loli).
You guys really will talk about anything but the game, huh? Its not longer just a schizo theory.
>>544723127thats right i dont wanna talk about the game
We literally were just an hour ago. And while we're on the topic, did the nips figure out an optimized route or are we all going in blind for the next 2-3 weeks?
>>544723127what is there to talk about with the gameyou hit the super onsen button and then train twice then you hit the super onsen button again
>>544723469Theres a bunch of questions that were just ignored if you scroll up, but sure post some more screenshots of Royal Family or whatever.
>>544723462Took like about a week to figure out DIY and Twinkle so about that time.
>>544711780You don't. It's purposely obfuscating the specific LB unlocks through a soft cap, so you have to roll to figure out what unlocks what.>>544723760The more important ones were answered already because everyone's in the dark right now. It's the usual "throw shit at a wall" phase of the new scenario.
>>544723462I'm doing my research right now and yes, we're still going in blind for the next 2-3 weeks.
https://x.com/JRA_WorldRacing/status/1984058349386867130By the way, abema will broadcast classic & mile, with Fukunaga as the guest.
>>544723760And there's a bunch of questions that gets answered if you scroll up, but sure shit up the thread like you always do or whatever.
>>544724006>The more important ones were answered already because everyone's in the dark right now.Yeah, I dont know... We used to theorycraft and share information here rather than just waiting for the nips to figure everything out and it was a lot more fun.
I hit the auto button and got an UB horse on the onsen scenariothe best auto would do on DIY was UD
>544723127Congratulations on your bump farming, bitch
>>544724426Post build order
>>544723760>Theres a bunch of questions that were just ignored if you scroll upSure, I'll bite the bait. Link them. Beside the one that was answered four minutes ago.
>>544724426Depends on your setup because I could easly do UB+ on auto on DIY Too
>>544724095Green Ch will also broadcast it, but seems no one's going to cover Day 1 races. Poor Switch In Love...
>544723127Have fun waiting 4 years for quality of life changes
Come on motherfucker, link the "bunch of questions that were just ignored."
>>544714698This would sell for a fortune.
>>544724337Once upon a time, we did. But like global now, the nips were so hyper optimized and hyper competitive everyone adjusted to their strats rather than go in meme style. You can blame it on the Asian side of the fanbase, but eventually every game becomes like this once the honeymoon phase wears off.
Bumpfarm THIS
>>544725226>>544718539>>544718506>There's no real benefit to MLBing the hag, right?(I would like to know too)>>544711780(prior to getting answered)I mostly just want people to talk about the game.
>half of the questions chosen have already been answeredDo us all a favour and kill yourself
so funny when tourist retards pretend to be oldfags as if anyone couldn't tell from post one
>>5447259191/3 which wasnt answered at the time isnt half.
>>544718539I don't know. Speed cap is hard locked at 2k, and I can hit it with 1 with inherits, but you can go URA style and start using inherits on other stats.I do highlander but I can only hit UA4 at best.>>544718506The training bonus kicks in at 3LB since it jumps from 1 to 5% and 2LB for max starting guts. Otherwise, it's meh, 0LB is serviceable.
>>544725984Is the tourist pretending to be an oldfag in the room with us now?
So even less than half then. Even better.
>>544725779>2~3>a bunchYou are a nigger. I'm the guy who asked about MLBing the hag and I was just double checking to see if it wasn't like Tucker where you need 3LB for a gimmick.
>>544726241The hag you roll more LBs for better heals & event stats. But you can survive with 1LB since it event bonus increases incrementally such that 4LB is 80%, 3LB is 65% while 0LB is 40%.
>>544726241>I was just double checking to see if it wasn't like Tucker where you need 3LB for a gimmickNo you don't thankfully. I was relieved when I read that famitsu EA review.
>>544726225Technically, its 1/4 because one of them had 2 questions in it and only 1 got answered.
just fucking report it for trolling and ignore
>>544726508Bro, I answered all your questions and you're not responding with more questions.If you're talking about the stamina/int thing, I can't give you a direct answer since I haven't tried it yet. Also you're richer than me anon, I don't have Teio at all, so I have to sub with Still or Dura.
>>544726447>>544726470That's good to know. I already checked on kamigame and >gamewith but just wanted to make sure. Good thing that you only really need her for the date and extra onsen ticket, means that you can borrow more important cards.Guess they really do want this scenario to be skill focused.
>>544726768It's actually a relatively fine counterbalance to island when you think about it. As of right now, it's like redux URA where you actually have to plan which supports to bring rather than stick to a one-fits-all strategy. At least for now, but the cap is so high, only the most tryhards of tryhards can cap 3/5. That or hard sacrifice one stat to cap 3, like when I trained my UB6 Believe and stamina doesn't even softcap anymore with double guts.
>>544718539It seems based on the stats, Spd Teio and Int Rudolf are swappable, but the top 5 are set. But everyone is unoptimized as of now.
>>544727280Here’s to finish the top 10 as of today, so everyone’s still defaulting to highlander while in the experimenting stage.
>>544726185you have been seething for days and we are laughingfeel free to go back at any time
>>544728187Nah, he baited me at least because I got pissed off enough to actually directly answer the guy with >memewith & the in-game event supp card percentages, but he still hasn't responded. Either he's satisfied or never was sincere to begin with.
>>544728187I literally havent posted since Pakalive. I just want people to talk about the game and I got what I wanted. You're a schizo.
Tachyonchads keep on winning
One more day until Breeders Cup, how many winners do you expect Japanese will have from 5 runners?
>>544728652At best 1, but most likely 0. Nips are high on hopium and Ebayan can't do everything on his own. He's also in danger of being disowned by the keibafags since he hasn't raced in the JRA often enough.
>>544728767Feb stakes too close to MiddleEast races, Champions Cup too close to BCC, blame JRA for offering poor money for their dirt races
>>544728595>I just want people to talk about the gamePicrel is me after realizing I'm not gonna get a sincere response after answering all your questions.>>544729037If only the JRA decided to take dirt more seriously. Raising Procyon to G2 and trying to create the "Dirt Triple Crown" to incentivize more dirt racers is a start, but they have a long way to go.
>>544729228>Picrel is me after realizing I'm not gonna get a sincere response after answering all your questions.Thank you. I love you.
>>544728767It's poetic that one of Japan's highest earners only has 7m yen on the JRA's circuit.
>Got new Teio off free rollsWhat LB does she need?
>>544728767>disowned by keibafagsWouldn't it be ironic if Ebayan becomr a big name on outside world but is degraded into a nobody in Japan
>>544729456Less motivated to respond now, sadge.>>544729490Look how hard they're coping for Masball to become the new Nox (after stripping him of the right to chase the Autumn Triple Crown). Fujita should consider studding him outside Japan if he wins the BCC.>>544729639It seems like the new supp cards are gradually scaling until minimum max potential is unlocked at 3LB, so I would say 2LB.
>>544729975>Less motivated to respond now, sadge.Also, what dont you like about Gamewith? Their Friend Board is much more active than kamigame
>>544728767Is that really the sentiment from keibafags on 2ch? Blaming that on dirt hors is just rude
>>544730303Just a few Yahagi haters. They absolutely hate that he focuses more on international races.
>>544730303I don't even know where he got that from, but from what I've on YouTube, japs already consider Ebayan as the strongest dirt hors they produced. He's already legendary desu.
>>544730303I've never seen anyone hate on Ebayan. Most of the comments I've seen are just people cheering for him to beat overseas hors.
>>544730243Out of both sites, gamewith is actually the more reliable one in my opinion. It's just a metameme to laugh at gamewith because the comments are most people coping at how the new cards and umas aren't "meta".>>54473030350-50. Mostly everyone has admitted that Ebayan is the one of the best dirt horses ever produced in Japan. Maybe I'm the one just interpreting it that way since they keep trying to nudge him into JRA dirt races, which aren't as high purse or calibre as overseas.
>>544730708If Ebayan wins BCC, will he become the highest earning Japanese dirt hors of all time?
>>544728595you are so desperate to fit in and that is hilarious
>>544731249Take your meds.
>>544731346you're a riot so heres a tip since you haven't figured it out yetspamming your favorite buzzword isn't gonna make you fit in lol
>>544730708Oh those people. It's one of those cases where had he just stayed in Japan, he would definitely be undefeated and be like at 14-15 wins now so I get it. But at the same time I admire the fact that his team recognizes that he's far too talented to just be wallowing in the same pond like Golden 60 did. Gelded 60 will forever have an asterisk next to his name for me.
>>544731249I think it's funny he disappeared just in time for the scenario release exactly like that anon said last thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wabubcYecSo
>>544730464Yahagi still getting the spotlight as one of the best JP trainer when he hasn't won any JRA G1 since Contrail really doesn't help
>>544731551The worst part about this general is that people recognizes bait but still willingly bite into it every time.
>>544731072I thought he was already the richest after Dubai but apparently he's still one hundred mils behind Ushba Tesoro
>>544731651Very nice, it suits her very well as a character song too. Looking forward to the full track soon
>>544732145Dacchis are starved...
Warning: horrifying creature inside
>>544731449lol ok. I've been following this series since the day the first trailer came out but whatever you say. I just want people to talk about the game, especially 2 days after the new scenario. If we were like 3 months in onsen, I wouldnt care.
(You)
>>544733409Absolute ghoul
>>544728595just go to the actual uma game general bro... >>544712741I've asked jp gameplay question few times there and actually got answers, unlike here./umajp/ is filled with shitty "veterans" with big ego and pointless superiority complex, slowly becoming those shitty keiba old farts they once despise the most
>>544733684Meant for >>544733525
>>544733750You again?
>>544670041sexooooooo
>>544711780What are you even talking about? Support events aren't locked to levels.
>>544725551her nipples should be popping out ...
https://x.com/uma_musu/status/1984139957674586292Ebayan must win to refund all those flower stands...
How do order Dantsu's protein powder if I'm a gaijin? I couldn't use Buyee apparently...
>>544734260She emptied the fridge on purpose…
>>544735450>「6th EVENT The New Frontier」秋公演におけるフラワースタンドのご用意や設置対応に不備が生じたことHuh?
>not a single jp question in the gl thread
>>544735457Are you a burger? There's a massive issue with shipping stuff from Japan to burgerland right now due to the tariff.
>>544735676Maybe the anons who went there can verify, but apparently the stand providers sent really subpar products after getting paid from the fans, and when they were confronted, they just disappeared.
>>544735824>falling for schizos lies
>>544735990Yes, but is that the only reason I can't order this using Buyee? Or was it always prohibited to ship supplements from Japan?
>>544736014Most of them looked fine to me, if a bit generic, but maybe they were from a different company.
>>544736014There were a few flower stands that didn't end up making it to the arena so there was a bit of drama on what actually ended up happening to them. The Flower Stand makers said there was an accident with the delivery trucks, but what probably happened was they took on more than what they could handle. Uma was actually lucky in that Flosta (the company making them) was only one of the flower stand makers so like 90-95% of the flower stands did make it. Proseka people were the ones who got destroyed since Flosta was the only flower stand makers that was approved for their event. They basically got none of them for their arena.
>>544736473https://x.com/putyourhandup0/status/1979812730392727744This is what I found on xitter, but yeah, seems they bit off more than they could chew
>>544736473>>544736014Seems like it's both.https://x.com/putyourhandup0/status/1979812730392727744What a mess.
>started listening to the onsen scenario song after a bunch of clearsUm.. who exactly is the main demographic for enka songs?
i want sex
>>544736732japanese nationalists
>>544736732Ojisans
Burn out anon here. I still have no good uma for Leo cup. Should I skip or try anyone and feed, lol?
>>544736732Me.
>>544736898When burned out, settle for a meme team and see if it works. You’ll be pleasantly surprised when it does, and not too let down when it doesn’t.
>>544736732Me. It's so good I listen to it after every run.
hags
>>544737246Love!
>>544731449You are brown.
>>544733525>I wouldn't careNigger, you were bitching about us not talking about gameplay even before onsen released.
>>544736898at least participate for the freebies anon. You can auto-select your best uma and wish Shiraoki-sama bless your run.
>>544737776more you like you are mindbroken, 2 hours for that? lolstick to /pol/ lil bro
Mirco Demurohttps://x.com/equidia/status/1983991882335318275
>>544736835Older people, in general. >Non-uma BlogshitWhen I lived in Shizuoka I'd sometimes go to a mama snack after nomikais if my usual spot was closed. The proprietress had the walls covered in enka posters and would sometimes have singers (mostly male) visit the bar. As you can see from the Uma song, a lot of enka songs are duets, so it would be a chance for patrons to do karaoke with a pro. I was a big fan since it meant I was going to get free drinks for chatting with older ladies waiting for their turn.
My word.
aieeeee
Neo I don’t think that was a costume…
They've never revealed who Gold Ship's roommate is after all these years, have they? What if they make it Stay Gold?
>>544739331It's just a way
>>544736732Me. My first exposure of Enka actually comes from Im@s cover album and I'm loving it
>>544740394...Davey?
post da auto settings for the new scenario
>>544742170I had 2 bookmarked and I don't know which one is better.https://x.com/ittttta/status/1983661681709609247https://x.com/saniteku/status/1983465459380007199
>>544742170It's a bit all over the place.https://kamigame.jp/umamusume/page/357686694104825906.htmlSee Kamigame's is different from the other 2 that are linked already.
>>544736732Unironically, old people
https://x.com/netkeiba/status/1984183576569778592Nice, day 1 coverage from netkeiba
>>544746686Let's go Switch in Love.
Eishin Flash retires to Versailles Farmhttps://x.com/Versailles_Farm/status/1984181796179755432
>>544747017Are they turning into Yogibo-Cygames Versailes Farm?
>>544747017Does Flash have any notable offsprings other than Vela Azul and Onyankopon?
>>544736732Only thing I particularly liked about it was the karaoke style
Do we really not get Halloween alts this year?
>>544751762Your akebono?? your mabera??? your jordan????
>>544751867Those were Halloween alts?
Logue
Current BCC odds
>>544747017They should get Falko after he ends stud duty as well. Then they can slowly recreate the Tracen dorms.
>>544752061Technically yeah. At least they tried something different.
>go to Royal Family collab restaurant>it's all drama/actorfags and keiba onnaI expected a lot more umafags, but it's all women.
>>544754973I want to breed Family so hard....
>>544755663Leave Hope to me.
>>544749658So what you're saying is they need to commit to the bit and go full enka, maybe a hard-boiled detective noir event?
>>544754973>Hope dressed like shachou but girlHeh. Cute
It's Halloween. Post spooky hors.
>>544756279
>>544755894Isn't that why the CM had that murder mystery theme? Don't know how they will implement in a scenario lol.
>>544756439Someone stole Rijichou's hat (cat included) and the scenario is finding it before the next URA meeting?
>>544756746your trainee pointed as the detective to find out whowhich uma stole torena's virginity. Turn out, the detective were the culprit all along.
>and I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling ningens!!!
>>544754973Most people who are actively watching it (as opposed to the passive drama watchers that usually watch the sunday theatre slot) are keibafags and the ladies out for that ren-or-something boyfaggot idol.
>>544738305>stick to /pol/ lil broLooks like I was right on the mark.
Hishi’s solo is a such a banger jesus.
>Horse in Hokuryo (Northern) farm is like a child enjoying super elite education
About to surpass my best DYI dirt/mile runs now, but the problem is I’ve never seen a run where all my support chains finish in the new scenario.
>>544754973I think this announcement was only posted on the CG account and not even the main game account in the first place.https://x.com/umamusu_animeCG/status/1983700716628984102Not surprising there isn't much overlap.
>>544754973damn the design is too good af, will umamusume devs gonna take that? Royal Family-chan is fking cute (and erotic>>544756453why this artist depicts Aruvu being an strict mom
the ranking is a total shitshow with 99% of it being ikuno and 2 maya. getting to the top requires 切れ者 from the 共通 event with ikuno, at least last time we had more variety it's clear that cygames wanted to buff dirt umas since they have a lot of races near the end but you end up losing about 200-600 SP if you have 4 or fewer races in your senior year (which applies to most uma)
>>544762262Because the Dulala gremlin is a little shit.
>>544762559 (me)also this scenario is shit for factors unless you play manually. a lot of tryhards do dirt rotation with shit aptitudes and you don't get as many stats compared to island so you will start losing races even more
>>544706830This makes me appreciate the artstyle for BoJack Horseman more. They really nailed this same look. What a goofy creature
>>544762559Nothing new, remember Grandmasters when it was all Gold City? I think this scenario is stealthily a short/mile scenario but without the restrictions
>>544761884Well the collab is only with CG, not the main game
https://arca.live/b/umamusume/152306937
>AI
>>544754716>technicallyNo. They aren't spooky enough to be called halloween alts
>eishin flash got added to global and retiredthis can't be a coincidence
>>544756279consume>>544754716anon, those alts aren't even halloween theme... at all.
>>544771746>picplease don't get freaked out that just happens whenever I spend too much time in a pool
