Nationalism Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-24-2025-update.87198/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlock: >>544825905
>>544936482Oh thank god my stats weren’t too bad, that was a rough early game. Who knew melee infernus would be that much of a pain.
>>544936870I never even noticed her hair moves like that
Mister Whiskers hero when
Paige x Vyper femslash
>new match begins>won lane, got kills, doing well mid-game>subhuman mutt infernus jungles all game, joins no fights>quits after 30 minutes>half the team follows and quits toomfw at least I got to rape the other team’s haze before our patron died
>friday>8 wins in a row>saturday>4 loses in a rowdon't play on weekends, all the shitters connect those days
warp stone arctic blast billythink about it
Victor is the worst when queueing solo>2 min 1v3 dogpile on me>literally cannot die>cant kill anyone because they just tag out>support comes and helps but they just die in the pile>more enemy players come to finish itand normally what are my other teammates doing? they aint helping or pushing thats for damn sure because yellow walker STILL has 0 damage done to it.Thanks Haze and Calico.
>>544936946>melee infernuswhat the fuck
Vyper remodel whenHoly fuck this current test model is such a stupid meme
>>544937801>posts cropped pornYou dont deserve good games stfu
seems to me paige is a bit broken
>>544938345Majestic leap shadoweave billyThink about it
>>544937801>posts cropped pornYou deserve good games keep talking
>>544937801>>544939691Yeah, post full please.
Stamina Mastery Warp Stone Holliday is fucking ridiculous, I can practically fly
I hope they keep making heroes thematic to the 30s-50s rather than introducing anachronistic design creep
>>544940078Samefag
>>544939691>>544940160Sorry, anons; next time I'll post uncropped porn
Yeah okay Greytalon can fuck off fucking echo shard trap bullshit holy fuck it’s worse than a couple silence waves in an objective fight.
I can't believe we lost that. When ending just shoot patron, forget the enemy
I can't believe Raiva whines like a little bitch even when winning. His parents must be collecting a huge check for having to deal with that level of autism daily. >>544941190
>completely dumpster lane>team completely throws>2 guys we shit on in lane spend the rest of the match shit talking as we slowly lose despite being 0-7 and 2-9i love mobas
>>544939954Both 32s cd hmmm...
S0QQH11/12 niggas
SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
>>544941312He was just saying when the Drifter kept living on literally 1 health though wasn't really whining
>>544941312LEL, dw I threw for him and he still almost lost.
>>544941175I don't know why every gray-talon seems to throw their fucking pigeon at meI hate that fucking bird so much
Britbong get off spectate and play!!!
First time I've experienced a good Drifter Paige lane
might unbind zoom since i don't play anyone who needs it
>>544940732>if you're not a joyless prude like me you're samefagging!
>Wraith ults me>jump on the zip line>zipline outruns the ult>make it back, buy something, and hop back on the zip thinking I cancelled the ult somehow>on the way back hear it coming>oh god>stuns me off the line and I get collapsed onWish I got a replay that shit was hilarious
>>544941710Did you clip the Patron attempt at the end? That deserves a clip IMHO
bullet resist affects melee damage
>>544942351I think its half as effective as melee resistance iirc so rebuttal is same as 36% bullet resist
Should there be a new jungljng item
>>544939812as usual the support character flies under the radar because its played by glue eaters
>>544942939Yes it should be called the cuck stick and its a tiny compass in your item bar that points towards camps currently being attacked by enemys
>>544942351gun damage affects melee damage
>>544943227no
>>544943392yes
>>544943419this is upsetting
>>544943150Lash jerks off his cuck stick while Bebop fucks his girl
I don't think there's any character in this game that holds your hand as much as mina does
>>544943682I agree, lets challenge ourselves to a 50 games on mina challenge and post our wr after to show mina players how carried they are
>>544943682i wish mina was holding my hand
SG he rejoined by the way just as you left )
>>544943682Mina is one of the harder heroes in the game to play though
is dagger shiv better than dash?
>>544944182counterpoint: no one in seeker buys slowing hex or silence wave
>>544944182Not if you play her as intended, green mina
what's the console command to show your position angle and velocity?
>>544944278Early-mid its good but you lack burst late game.
Melee Mina is in
>>544944564just buy into dash late if shits goes south?
Why did they make Drifter a mean person? I'd rather he was nice.
>>544944404GREENA HA
>>544944678There’s like 3 nice people in this game
>>544944654Yeah I'm just saying. You have very good poke, peel, and sustain in longer engagements like lane and early brawls, but you have to switch off 1 focus mid-late. They really should give the 1 some kind of burst mechanic. Like at max upgrade landing multiple does a big extra chunk of instant damage or something. The 1 is completely replaced by Decay mid-late.
Is it worth trying to trim my Victor build to come online faster and rush some t4s or is it genuinely just a "wait for 30k" situation? I'm finding as I climb ranks I'm struggling with him because games are becoming shorter, win or lose.
>>544944707>lowest hp in the game because yoshi fears the green mina>lowest gun dps in the game because yoshi fears the gun minaAre you really gonna let some sidecharacter from Mario put you into a box? Break the conditioning
Do we need a new lobby? Two people went afk...
BG, too much disconnects.
>>544944182Mina was made to be accessible for the most braindead coomer retard to play
Do we need to remake? Shark is afk in the pregame lobby so the games never gonna start.
>>544946264post your mina winrate
>>544946273We don't even have 12 players yet
>>544946273the game wasn't going to start with 6 people retard
dis melee shit strait up retarded
>>544946403>>544946421I assumed he ragequit but it kept him in the game such that he showed in the new lobby and was still afk.
sneedhouse doko
>>544946494I'm the victor, later in the match he was hitting me from 2 dashes away I'm just gonna throw it up to bad ping desu.
>>544946563He didnt rage quit he came back
>forced loss>forced loss>forced loss>forced loss>go 8-0 in lane>oops im not infernus or wraith and cant hyper carry>forced loss
>>544943682>tfw you'll never hold her hand
does kelvin count as airborne on ice path
>>544946681ここだよ〜ん!(๑•ᴗ•๑)S0QQH
>>544946719>wraith>hyper carry>in any rank above archonoh please...
>>544946850post match code so i can spectate
>>544946780yes, he just spawns the path close enough behind him to get the bonuses.
This fucking mask is blocking my view
deadlock has me like this wondering why I ever spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours playing dota, even more time than that watching tutorials for it, and even more than that defending it
>>544947986because it is a fun game, so is deadlock
>>544948135never played billy award
>>544947128true wraiths wr in eternus is really bad...
>>544948135I main all characters from the bottom row
>teammate has 0 deaths>we are losing super hardthis is bad, I know it...
>>544948126arguable at best. I'm just glad there's a game like deadlock now.
>>544947986deadlock is worse than dota but provides a nice break
I can't believe I have over 1000 hours in Deadlock. Took me almost a decade to get that number for TF2
i always feel like i'm three items short of having what i need
>>544948706deadlock is also 10 times better than tf2
>>544948228drooling retard award
>>544947986dota is one of the greatest games of all time even if the current patch/dev state is trying to smooth out all its interesting edges
>>544948864post MyM tf2*
Kinda don't like that deadlock inherited the AFK farming dynamic where you get much more souls from farming rather than kills and objective.It feels like they're trying to remove all the boring parts of MOBAs but keeping that just feels very archaic.
>>544948135aim is such an overrated aspect of the game. Like, yeah, you've wasted a quarter of your life clicking on pixels, congrats, dude. Now the devs have to either ignore you and let you destroy any sense of counterplay in their strategy game, or create every single item that could counter your aim by sheer health or cc.Their time would be better spent balancing and creating cool interactions, like in a card game and it's proven by the fact that nobody could force themselve to pretend they enjoy laning against a good infernus or holliday.I'm not saying they should delete weapons from the game, but there's already plenty of games where aim is the only mechanic like counter strike.
>>544949191farm needs to be strong enough to be a point for contention for teams, it facilitates the other parts of the game, if you make it too low value fights never happen because you wont care if it gets taken, someone at your double vaults? thats a team fight on your turf, without stuff like this youre left with the urn and mid, I get that lower skill players see these as boring because they dont capitalize on leads and they let carries free farm until they show up at 40 minutes to look at you and delete you
>>544949191gay take
Little Nyigga .t in house
>>544948135>Drifter requires aimBruh
>>544949191Invading jungle is prioritized on Deadlock which is where the fun comes from, the problem is people get the wrong idea of jungling from shitlow lobbies where people just AFK their own jungle or don't contest jungle being stolen so some guy just vacuums up all farm for 10 minutes then emerges as a raid boss
>>544949028I don't know, maybe my ADHD is just too untretable, but nothing feels quite as intense as deadlock, there's always at least like 5 different things you gotta do or keep in mind every single second, and the verticality adds a lot to fights and chases, the lack of mana is also divine. I guess the closest thing could've been gunz at its peak but I never played it when I had the chance.
dude that entered and left the inhouse, a spot was freed join again
anyone else having trouble with servers? my internet seems fine and i have 18 ping but it plays like 180 sometimes
>>544949883it's basically dota x gunz yeahicefrog is a genius
>>544949191Love me muh farming simulatorI WILL disappear after the guardian fallsI WILL clear every camp there is on our sideI WILL try to steal enemy camps and maybe, possibly, give them a 2k bagI WILL keep doing this until our walkers fallI WILL take the mid-boss soloI WILL melt structures once I start engaging with themI WILL win us the game by being full build at 30 minutesAnd you WILL like it and praise me for itIf you have a lategame hypercarry like wraith/seven/victor on your team, just don't play like retards, stall the enemy team, don't pick disadvantageous fights when you know its 5v6, focus on splitting, and you'll have a much easier time winning such games every time.
How to search for match id's in the console after the game?
>>544950732
>watch movement tutorials>in one ear and out the othermaybe i'm too stupid for this game
>>544952058Practice makes perfect
>>544951468smurfing in the shitter bracket?
gg's today lads, was fun.
>>544950186I wish they'd stop nerfing movement, and just let things evolve around it.
>>544952058just try a little more each game>>544953071fuck no, im getting carpal tunnel just thinking about hmc
>>544953071movement is too cracked, the amount of mechanics in play is good but the game is too fast
>>544952693yea ggs I'm done too
We only need 3-4S0QQHS0QQHS0QQH
4 slots saaaaarsS0QQH
need a mina-like gf so fucking bad dudeis playing deadlock the way to find one? seems like lots of women (actual) are playing this game
S0QQH 5 slots
>>544954176>seems like lots of women (actual) are playing this gameI have not heard a single one ever on voiceIt's always either russians or college-voiced americans/brits and all are equally unlikeable.
>>544954630>college-voicedWhat the fuck am I reading
>>544954864It's not a squeaker voice, but it's also not the voice of a dead-eyed 40 year old with no soulIt's the type of guy you could expect to hear screaming "hell yeah bruv" at a party
S0QQH 2 SLOTS JOIN OR MISS OUT ON KINO
>>544954864it means hes a miserable cunt
>>544954630in NA ritualist I have encountered three different biological females. Surprisingly enough only one of them played paige and each of them were very good at the game compared to the average jackoff in queue.
>>544954973The two words you are looking for is "adult man".
>>544948135viscous is more difficult to play than any of the characters in the row above himt. drooling retard
>>544952247NTA but my rank is completely tanked by being brand new to the game and maining Lash (40% WR) + Viscous (30% WR). Every time I play a carry like Wraith or Infernus the game is so comically easy that I have close to 100% WR on those heroes (but I don't play them much because it's mindnumbingly boring)
>>544954973>>544955276Just say zoomer you fucking contrarians
>>544949286Noob that thinks he is losing because of people aiming better
>>544948135I'm a fucking retard and I do well as Holliday, I think you can survive on her simply through sheer chaos and dishonest trickery
>>544953920ok tank main
>>544947986dota2 is a relaxing gamedeadlock is too hard
Τhe black woman of Valve unoriginality.Τhese are TWO different characters.
>>544956490well, I guess your favorite part of the game is laning against an infernus, bebop, mina or doorman with good aim, isn't? or do you just avoid them like you will avoid the argument and call me names instead?positioning can save or kill you in the mid and late game, but in the early game you are forced to fight, and if opponents like those land every single shot, you will be forced to stand back and do nothing, waste your souls on green items to delay the inevitable or both. And all of those can likely lead to the enemy snowballing.
>>544957312I wonder what will ever happen to this guy if and when they update both models
>>544955197>ritualistlmaothat makes senseI guess asking for a female to be above oracle is too much
>>544956749movement overshadows every other core mechanics group in the gamei'm not asking for bringing it down to overwatch levels, i'm asking for balance
>>544957663Hopefully he'll move on and do something productive with his time>captcha: XKKKVThe Klan plays Deadlock
>>544957861shut the f, rude person
>>544957663>forced originality
>>544957663
>>544958126umm sir, reddit is *that* way
>>544957861well, enjoy crying and/or complaining alone over on the super special png above oracle, anon
>>544958215>*that*Go back
holy shit ritualist is the WORST rank in the game
>>544954630meanwhile me in Asia server sniping 2 view Japanese female vtuber
>>544958551just wait till you get to emmissaryrussians aplentyno one cares if they win or losehalf the players are rank boosted initiates with less than 20 hours yet also all the smurfs at the same time as well
>>544958657smurfs yeah but its the people who are suppose to be there(?) idk the ranks are so fucking stupid now after the rank update
Gg fellas
>15-30k people ingame at any given moment>matches have five-medal MMR spreads
SEREN BRO YOU CAN CHILL ON ABRAMS IN LANE OK IM NOT HATING BUT RELAX NIGGA DAMN
>>544958898but he must unga bunga
I'm Arcanist 1/2 and enjoying it but I keep falling back to Alchemist because I've been playing with a group of people with a few initiates and I'm not good enough to control the game or lead them through it
wtf happened with merk that game is he ok ?
S0QQH 4 slots
>>544959019He went gigachad mode
>>544959019I was trying to carry them.
>>544959019watching 3 people fall off zipline in the same spot because of his ult was funny as fuck
when the fuck are they adding taunts
is there any way to do nearest-neighbor/integer upscaling with <100% render resolution
>>544959314drivers
>>544959314wouldn't that just be setting the game's actual resolution to 1/2 your monitor's and blowing it up?
>>544959314amd driver can do that, I'm sure the nvidia one can do that too
S0QQH JOIN
>>544959505>>544959509but that scales the HUD too, i want the HUD to be native res
2 more patriots S0QQH
>>544957663Probably a bot, so nothing
>>544957467My lane opponent can be aimbotting and I could still come out even in souls. It's really not difficult to permashove and barely engage in laning at all.
This game really needs a lobby chat
>>544960703whine at yoshi to finally improve cutom game lobbies
>>544954630I played with one and almost immediately some faggot starting simping in VC
>>544959003this but ritualist 1/2
>>544955197women tend to be good teammates because they almost never have ego so they actually play their role(support) properly instead of stealing farm and using utility items on themselves like fucking retards
Ok how do I beat hypercarries jungling? I win >50% of my lanes but if there's a carry in there they always catch up by jungling.If I invade alone their entire team will converge on me. TTK is quite high in this game so they will have plenty of time to do so. Even if I get the kill there is no item like town portal scroll to take me out of their jungle. It seems like such a surgical procedure to just get 1 kill.
>>544954630I got into a match where this girl carried us as wraith and you could hear her kids playing video games in the background when she spoke.
is there an option to recalibrate? everyone clowns on me for being bad and i can't keep up at the rank i got a year ago
>>544962090Yeah, one I played with I think five different times played bebop and rarely mina.
>Play my first game in several days>Six minutes in two people on my team leaveWhy do they always wait until after the game counts to leave? Why not just leave instantly so everyone else can leave without taking a loss?
Hope she sees this, bro
Why everyone leave (
Yeah i guess inhouse games are not a thing i'll join again.
we should ban serenethers from inhouses fuck that nigger. It can't possibly be that hard to not feed 8 deaths in lane as Shiv Kelvin. He refuses to improve
>>544962919Why not
>>544962981Sub 8 minute walker is crazy
>>544963021Horrible experiencesOut of the 3/4 i did, about none of them were enjoyable
>>544962981he doesn't chain-feeds when he's my lanemate, sounds like a you problem
>>544962981>>544963060He just died a couple of times against a duo that can push really fast and they lost tower cause of it>>544963094:(
>>544963106>>544963165HE WAS LITERALLY RUNNING IT DOWN AND ALL I COULD DO WAS WATCHHE THEN ASKED ME TO LEAVE LANE SO HE COULD FARM BEFORE DOING IT AGAINAFTER THAT HE AFK'D IN THE FUCKING BASE FOR A WHILE
>>544963286I'm sorry I should have let him kill me those couple of times I won't do it again
>>544962981>>544963165he was 0/6 on 4k souls this deep in enemy jungle at this point it has to be intentionally griefing right
>>544937801>match begins>do well in my lane>get a few kills>lane partner does too>look at other lane enemy infernus somehow 2x anyone's souls>he snowballs and carries the game going 19/1
>>544937801that arm is looking too fat and greasy
>>544963360Oh so that's where he was. No wonder I couldn't fucking find him
>>544963360he must be playing the legendary jungle-steal fire rate escape shiv build, wonder if it still works after the m2 knockback nerf
>>544963347I'm not about to ask my lane opponent to intentionally throw so I have a chance at winningI want to learn some stuff, and inhouse sounded a nice place to just try to improve.In application, one team almost always sweeps the other, and the latest just put me in the chair with first seats to inting central.
>>544963475no it was just the casual walk-around-the-enemy-jungle-and-break-boxes-only shiv build
>>544963691Games were more balanced when more of the high ranking EU players were still joining sorry
>>544963286checked the replay and the kelvin didn't hit a single nade for the first 7 minutes plus instead of rushing nade t2 he upgraded beam and nade t1 and never supported the shiv after his first death
>>544964201Now you're just lying to me on an anonymous forum.
>>544964201>>544964420He can prove it by posting a graph of Kelivn's healing if he is lying he will not
>>544964456It's hard to go heal someone that just goes to the opposite turret to die.Healing ? I can't reanimate a dead body.
Mirage needs a tiny buff. As in reduce his ult cd by 10 seconds.
>>544964012I think someone should start a new in-house lobby so I can join (I am a 'high' rank EU player!!)
>>544964818Sorry it is late and all of the other guys left. Maybe tomorrow
once gaben releases his brain interface controller it's so over for everyone who isn't me
>>544964879No we need to play now!!! and also tomorrow!
>>544962091Cold hard truth: It's a team game that's meant to be played optimally with a full stack with mics on, there are some situations which you will legitimately won't be able to handle optimally, if at all, by playing solo.The answer is pressure them and have your team ready to punish bad fights by either taking objectives or ganking them with you, but you won't be able to do that.
why shouldn't I buy curse on paige every game
is it tight to rip vapes for that nicotine boost to make better plays? i've never smoked but i'm wondering if a little stimmy can help me out
>>544965085pack it with adderall
>>544965085just drink covfefe
>>544965085snus
>>544965085Zyns or snus are your friends, friend
>>544965085meth or bust
what do i ask for the at counter so it doesn't look like I'm buying it for the first time?
>>544965787gime some zynnies please pal or SNUUUUUUS
>>544965085Caffeine + amphetamines (ADHD meds)
>>544965276>drink coffee>get sleepywhy doesn't my body work>>544965372not them but don't want to take the teeth tax
inhouse still up?
>>544966074I think you should start one!
>>544964456>>544964420
>>544966593Oh yeahThe healing made by the healing riteThe healing rite I bought to heal himThat healing rite
who should i play if i fucking suck
>>544966870he had one too dipshit cope
>>544966910>>544948135anyone from the bottom row
>Currently, Street Brawl is a more casual Deadlock experience, as a 4v4 best of 5 rounds; on your 3rd round your team has to destroy the walker to win the game. On round 5 (tiebreaker) both of the teams must kill the walker to win.>Each round is played out on 1 lane at a time, and the lane you play in changes each round.What the actual fuck does this mean? Fucking yoshi is just making shit up now.
>>544967129i eat shit on billy so i guess i'll try dynamo
>>544967064LookWhatever "proof" you wanna use that it was my fault my lane mate ran it down 6-8 times, you can make anything up if you really really wanna justify it.I'm not a fucking tard wrangler, i have my own fucking game i want to play. If you want to run it down, go for it, i'll do my own thing.
>>544967208>best of 5 roundsHuh???????What does that mean?Just nlmake a fucking brool lane
>>544967483A deathmatch mode would be pretty fun.
>>544948135vyper is the most aim intensive character in the game by a miletracking when you're point black spinning around someone means having high sensitivity but still being accurate and controlled
>>544967674>>544967208This feels like a mix between team death match and aram.Like why does it have rounds? Does that mean each match is that short?
>dont play Lash in forever>mfwHe's so fucking now weak holy shit.
so is goose only good on geist or what?
>>544968150yes, hes legit gutted. no buffs last patch btw. enjoy :)
This was a weird game, our two good players were not as good as their two good players. It's also been a while since I've been shit on by a Gun Dynamo
>>544968978>our two good players were not as good as their two good playersyour team average might have been more stable. like their wraith is probably initiate 1 which created a fucked up lopsided situation that had to be averaged out by placing stronger good players on their teamthe way matchmaking works right now is so retarded
>Frenzy>Fury trance>Weighted shotsYeah, im thinking spirit nuke niggers can go fuck themselves.
are there any heroes other than vindicta who are obligated to use rightclick zoom?
>>544968150I genuinely cant conceive of why they would nerf the shit out of lash harder than kelvin, it is one of the worst balance decisions Ive seen in any game
>>544969150I assume that's the case, we shit on Wraith/McGinnis in lane, but not hard enough to take guardian before Geist/Dynamo stomped their lane so far into the dirt that they just split up and rolled over to the other two lanes and won them too. Probably would have been at least tenable if it had put our lane against that lane instead letting them smother babies in the crib, though I imagine that would've just been a slower loss.
>>544969780kelvin at least has to be inside his dome while lash can just kind of be wherever to get enormous utility
>>544969780Lash is fucking cancer. He needs a new ult or he can never be strong.
>>544969721It's the only way I can lane as bebop
>>544969721shiv, yamato, viscous
>>544967208Interesting so its a round based aram modeThis must mean each round lasts for like 2-3 minutesReally intriguing because I do find the early game of ARAM in league to get pretty boring so this becones high octane BROOOOOLING from the getgo
>Some faggot named sneed in game>announces to everyone at the beginning his name is sneed>nobody reacts>he dies>calls the guy who killed him a jew>obvious duo is responding to everything he says like some sort of dick holding fanboy>both of them say nigger unprompted at some point in the match>they both are complete trash and lose horriblyRemember when you were supposed to hide your power level on 4chan, not make it your entire personality
>>544969976>>544970435fiiiiiine i won't bind mouse2 to dash
>>544971085>because I do find the early game of ARAM in league to get pretty boringabsolute dogshit taste early-game ARAM is the best part before everything devolves into a ball of mush
>>544971339i remember when being racist here was still sometimes ironic and edgy instead of always a genuine personality trait
>when the enemy Holliday wiping the floor with everyone has a game ban on SteamI don't even care about the loss. At least I have my morals.
cope
>>544971713I've had the same Holliday cheater on mu team twice now and I'm afraid of meeting against him, hopefully he's banned now
>>544969282Holy shit 95% spirit resistthese niggers couldnt do shit lmfaooo
>>544971339these are the kind of people that go to inhouses btw, just obnoxious vacuous personality types that found 4chan so thats their personality instead of r*ddit
>>544973121That's not true.
post your most fucked up keybind
>>544973294Capslock dash because everything else is pretty much default.I do have parry on the back arrow on the mouse though, MB4 or MB5 I cqn never remember.
>>544973121Who triggered you?
>>544973469Case in point.
I hate when your entire team is getting dogwalked and there's like a 60k gap but it still takes 30 minutes for the game to end.
>>544973294scrollwheel to reload
>>544974017Game is not over until the rejuv is taken
>>544945019>3I hope one of those 3 isn't KelvinKelvin is a piece of shit that got a bunch of people killed for one of his shit ass adventures to a FUCKING ASTRAL GATE (HOLY SHIT BRO) and got his entire party (including Sevens lover, leaving him a broken man that led him down illegal research which got him thrown in lost whisper and so nobody could contact him and get his research, they tried to obliterate his fucking soul, ALL a direct cause of Kelvin being an idiot and ignoring all warnings. he fucking spawned Seven. that is one of the most evil things any deadlock character has done.
>>544948135>Open image>Yamato in S tieryou're ritualist and it shows
>>544973294mwdown to dashmwup to alt/self cast
>>544962981>>544963060>>544963021>>544963094>>544963106>>544963165>>544963360take it to discord, trannies.
>me (viscous)+whoever vs some combination of mina/holliday/infernus/yamatoThis has happened 4 games in a row today.Even assuming no one is a complete retard I can only manage a tie at best. What even is my plan for lanes like this where I can't feasibly beat them in pokes or extended trades?
>Sinclair who does 4k (4 fucking thousand) damage in 9 minutesabandoned and hopped on an alt.I cannot imagine not having an alt for this game. you couldn't pay me to suffer that retarded handless freak for another 20 minutes with that guaranteed loss.
>>544974864>having an alt in any game everyou are the architect of your own misery
Make the map bigger and bring back the four lanes.
>>544975273BASEDYOSHI HIRE THIS MAN
>>544975026>not having an alt for ERPnonny...
>>544975026in what way?
>>544975273four lanes is too noisy and slippery, strategically speaking
>>544975273honestly they should keep the 3 lanes and just make it 5v5
>>544975639Drifter's design entirely solidified that this game will never have a solo lane again.
>>544975757Khazix is literally Drifter but even more cancer in 1v1s and he isn't a problem in Mid or Top lane in League.it can be done.
>>544975757aiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeee you're right
>>544975881>Leaguethis is a Dota developer game
>>544975757solo lanes would actually give drifter an usable niche
what if 5 lanes
>>544975979He would be so powerful that they'd have to nerf the shit out of him actually
in house still going?
>>544975973fantastic argument, retard.God, Dotards are literally incapable of discussion outside of "ermm, Dota?"
>>544975559the constant state of no one really knowing what they were doing was part of the fun in early deadlockI think if they want to bring that chaos back it should be in a side mode thoughi would play a deadlock battle royale
>>544976112Your entire argument was that something works in the worst MOBA of all time so therefore it can work in Deadlock. Don't be so full of yourself.
>>544976042they could just make it so he doesnt do extra damage to isolated targets innately but keep his stacking buff for killing them
>544976239>still no argumentsbeing a dotatranny rots the brain.
>>544976042he'd prob still be even or even lose against actual bullies like yamato, calico, great alon, vindicta, shiv etc
>>544976042LOL, Drifter in a 1v1 lane would get raped by Bebop, Kelvin, GT, Holiday, Doorman, Calico, etc etc.he's no where near as strong as you think he is after the nerfs. there is a reason he's never picked in solo queue anymore.
>laning with headhunter rush bird greytalon>sitting behind our tower birding crossmap for 10-20 seconds at a time every minute regardless of wave state and how low our lane oppnents are>we get absolutely destroyed by a haze and she ends up with a 20k soul lead over the entire lobby
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>>544977140fantastic, this post has singlehandedly shown why your discord groomer games are dogshit for this general.
>be serenthers>kill myself
>>544978150is that a picture of him?
>>544978150IS THAT A MOTHER FUCKING
>>544977140what sort of tism causes this sort of behavior?
>>544963286Sorry about the shitnigger from the sewers, Kelvin
>>544977140>S++DupeyI also remember a time when bug shaker was a good player. I wonder what happened.
>>544978780use discord > form cliques > in-group/out-group mentality > gossip behaviors > constant drama seeking and baiting in threadhappens every time
why are the deadlock nightshift camera guys so assyou could setup a bot that swaps cam to recent damage spikes and it'd be better than these jokers
>>544979156gunman got nerfed
>>544979272doorman didn't exist in that time
>>544979178There's no drama though
>>544977140wait where's six10?
>>544962817does not make much difference if you will lose in 30 minutes or in 6 minutes besides saving time>>544957985im tired of watching my teammates ankles get ground to dust because the enemy paradox can walljump but i also think its in a fair state right now. maybe slows could be buffed to have greater impact on walljumping and airstrafing.
>>544979415F tier for being a whiny faggot
As a ritualist rank would I be allowed in a inhouse or is that for only higher ranks?
>>544979929most inhouse players are dogshit don't worry about being too bad
rate my paige build
if seven is a skeleton, how does he move
I had almost no fun this game but mina's salt made it worth it. Kelvin domed her every single fight so she couldnt dash away lol
>>544980050the power of the dao
>>544980050it's an electric skeleton
>>544979929you can learn a lot in inhouses, mostly who specifically to avoid fights, but it's helped me with a lot of build making on some characters.
>Dynamo is the only honest hero according to people here
>>544980405gun dynamo is, being an ult bot is worse than playing afterburn infernus
>>544980050He's a lich
>>544979463sometimes i wonder if the entire game just needs to be slowed down by like 20%, like if the physics engine ran at a rate of 0.8the mechanics are good, movement is good and extremely deep, but movement is so fucking powerful and autistic that this cannot be the final state of the game where pure twitch skill is the overriding win condition
>>544980405Drifter?
>>544979156The tierlist is meaningless, that dude alongisde TA assassin, Laasti, Shallow God, Bison and really everyone in A and B regularly gets their ass beat by people in the lower tiers, including Bug Shaker
>>544979249they were probably all overwatch esports bubble people.
I just played a game and laned as geist/mcginnis into billy/victor and my mcginnis kept dashing into melee distance of billy and flaming me for not helping him. I checked his profile after and he has 4k hours logged on the game already. How are some people like this.
>>544980943because play time is irrelevant for people who don't try to improve and actually think about what they're doing
>>544980943its his 9th match of the day and hes ripping fresh rings off his gravity bong
>>544980943they play too many games and just auto pilot
>>544981442gay talon and geist are very manageable and even diveable if you push the lane hard and equalize
>>544981442>viper>fair>250 hp point and click execute
>>544981659>diving geistsure hope she doesn't have two stamina to ult you with
>a full 6 man team>vs my team full of solo playersThis shit aint fair. Its been forever since I played but I remember Dota 2 try not to make this shit happen. No way to check if you're going against a stack ingame outside stalking Steam profiles?
>>544981442>pocket is an easy lane>400 damage combo with cold front at like 4 minutes>sends you back to base guaranteed with afflictionhell nah
>>544981790they definitely need to at least tell you so you can guess who will coordinate
>>544981442A pocket main made this image.
>>544981442I wish we could bury this idea that Lash is a poor laner.The whip is pretty strong at all point during the lane, both sidelanes have an easy vantage points from which he can delete you and coupled with his ult you legit cannot pressure his guardian at all when he has it.
>>544982113lash is both lane dependent and dependent on who he is fighting. characters like ivy and pocket can counter his ult, and sometimes his stomp pretty easily.
>>544977140s tier me
>>544979249him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_5uYoOaVtM
>>544980868I don't think it's a skill tier list. Shallow only gets put in S tier in namefag lists because he posts webms
Why are we having autistic discord circlejerks now about people i dont know
>>544981790Type into consolemm_prefer_solo_only truemight be placebo command though.
>>544981790statlocker will show stacks once they process a match.
>>544981442Could anyone explain why Wraith is easy? You attempt to trade with her at all, she shoots her gun, spams cards and wins. Full auto for free damage, ult gives you the most free kill of your fucking life.
>>544982918>I don't think it's a skill tier listThen why is TA in A tier? Because he's an annoying stacking faggot
>>544982113lash cant play mid lane well and has tons of characts that just counter him with abilities. also you're are really over hyping the whip
>>544983283her gun deals negative damage
>>544981924>>544983017It was clearly a 6 man team. I check the profiles of the fuckers after the match, they played too coordinated not to be a stack>Kill Seven two times in our lanes>all of them rotate and let Victor get the kills>push hard and allow Victor and Seven to farm>jump one of them the others ambush us in a blink of the eye, they set it as an ambus.>in teamfights they back up each other way too well for this Rank level>>544983000Thanks, at least is something
>>544983283wraith is absolutely dogshit early and basically every character outdamages her until she's at minimum 30k soulsher cards deal 50 damage each for the first ten minutes of the game, which is less than doorman does with a single shot of his gunher gun has low mag and low damage, as well as atrocious falloffher 3 and 2 have disgusting cooldowns and at best help her recover from a shit situation, never actually develop an offensive, since 3 doesnt last long at all and until you upgrade it, it does no extra damageit's also not "free damage" it only means you get to dump your mag out quickeryou're probably initiate, so let me explainlane means usually 10 minutes or until the first guardian fallsit's almost impossible to be useful with wraith in lane, and you're basically useless until 30 minutes in, when you do become admin admittedly (only in sub oracle lobbies tho).
>>544983283extra regen will out heal her gun damage anywhere outside of 10m
>>544983494He's not Mina but he's not a poor laner.Especially if you have to play passive against lane monsters.
>>544983494I feel like there's just too many counters in the game now to make him feel really rewarding to play. Mina is in every game, Calico is seeing a lot of play now. He can be sleep daggered or hooked or other things while ulting. His ult is a bit of an all or nothing affair so if half the other team can dodge it with their inherent kit and the other half can buy Counterspell, it just makes me wanna play someone else. Similar issue with bomb-centric Bebop.
i'm too stupid and slow and ADHD for this game
>>544981659>diving geist with ultlol lmao>push the lane against talon arrow poke and stairway trapkek roflNot to mention, geist insta clears waves with 1 and her poke with it and 3 is also insane, since 99% of characters can't dodge it
>>544983630her 3 gives +20% fire rate to herself and +10% to others. it's nearly useless
wraith should speak with a jimmy cagney accent.
the bottom 4 laners are unquestionably>dynamo>wraith>lash>seventhe thing is lane matchups can make these tolerable, like putting lash into a pocket lane(lash spawns in with 15% free resist and pocket has negative 15% spirit res), or dynamo vs abrams etc.
>>544983757a bunch of character dont even need items to counter him. now that he does no damage as well, theres no point in playing the character. sad state of affairs
Why won't Valve add an actually appealing vampire to deadlock?
>>544981797>>544981996I put him there because of his spirit weakness and long cooldownsIf you also space well he can't do muchHe thrives on engaging unseen or from above, afterall
>>544983893while that may be true with the lash pocket MU. a good pocket can just never be hit by lash period so it doesnt really matter
>>544984031yes but pocket and lash are both laners who are not trying to "win" lane, pocket plays for wave clear and lash plays to survive, when lash goes even he has a good matchup
>>544983859yes... anonthat's what I said
>>544983893dynamo?? his heal is nice and his entanglement counters many nukers
>>544980045curse instead of refresher
>>544982918Well at least for /tf2g/ and another general that will not be named swallow was put in S tier I guess because he actually talked about the game and wasn’t a completely sperg. The bare minimum in my opinion but I guess that’s S tier for /vg/
>>544984160He can't do jack shit while healing and only becomes useful after rapid recharge/ult. He's literally a gigashitty version of kelvin.
>>544984132What was the point of this bitchy little reply? I was agreeing with you and gave extra info to underline how shit it is (esp. compared to Rusted Barrel) what is this cagey "erm yes... yes... I said that already" shit?
>>544984286that's what I thought toowhy reply that information to me instead of the other guyit just seemed to me like you were trying to disagree with me
glad they took away drifter's gun damage from his passive and gave it to his base kit. so now instead of snowballing he now still has dogshit base damage AND cant snowball. thanks yoshi
>>544984617is his name CEO?exactly
>>544981442i tend to have easy lanes vs billy but that might just be bc i keep running into idiot billies
>>544984285Well that is true early, mid, and late game, but I still don't consider him bad at laning.
>>544984238that's usually what I would go. In fact I had it queued up before switching to refresher because I wanted the utility from an extra ult which ended up winning a rosh fight
>>544983630>cards deal 50 damageQSRT2 upgradeMystic burst, same as Warden FlaskYou now deal 200 damage but with a lock on>2nd biggest mag in the game = low mag>it only means you get to dump your mag out quickeryeah, and get can easily mag dump you when she point and click stuns you>disgusting cooldownsonly needs to use her get out of jail free card once, zero punishments for being stupidOracle * bordering on Phantom 1If she spams ult as soon as she spots you, you're usually dead if alone. And even if someone's next to you, she's mag dumping and card spamming until you're dead then teleporting before she can be punished
>>544984986I implore you to try her out for a few games yourself and see how easy it is to lane as Wraith. Miss a card and she is easy to run down.
>inhouses>ever
>>544985096yeah i dont think wraith is a good laner, I feast on her as drifter and he's definitely on the weaker end of lanes (but not nearly as bad as people say, his trading is pretty good with melee lifesteal)
>>544984986>If she spams ult as soon as she spots you, you're usually dead if alonewhen she has 24k networth*
They should add item bans to deadlock.
>>544984253It was funny seeing him in /owg/ posting his plat clips trying to talk about the game in between people ERPing and bots spamming AI porn.
>>544985326And bridge buff bans! And pick and ban which spots Sinners get to spawn in!
Valve should add a female ixian to the game.
>>544984986You know /dlg/ is mindbroken over Wraith when they try to say she's strong ealry game
>>544982918>>544984253I think he was only so well liked in /tf2g/ because the only other namefag was a fat obnoxious blog poster who would brag about “being a normie” while being into gore and living in a trash heap. So when an actual normalfag showed up posting frags and talking about books and classical music they used him as just a way to shit on their lolcow via comparison
>>544984986>QSR>T2 upgrade>Mystic burstBy the time you have these, you're well out of the laning phase.You can't just rush them, because you also need wave clear and a way to farm, as well as green for survivability, if you also dont build fire rate you won't be able to spam themat any point, until she gets their t5 update, they're weaker, have a longer "cooldown" and are more easily avoidable then, lets say... talon arrows>point and click stuns youwhat are you, playing against pre-rework wraith? wtf? the """stun""" which is more of a displacement during which it becomes impossible to hit the head is barely half a second long, and unless you're 25-30k, it'll expire long before the enemy is anywhere close to dying, and you'll most likely just die instead>get out of jail free cardmina has the same ability, with basically two charges, instant cast, lower cooldown and more controlnot to mention, her 2 dash range is basically shorter than two stamina dashes until you upgrade it, which you cant do until well later into the game since t2 for card and 3 are much more valuableeverything you're complaining about is a non issue in lane, and only starts to matter in the mid-late game
>>544984617me tootrash fucking character
>>544980868It's about their performance in game, sure there are games where someone like bug shaker wins but he's rarely the reason why his team wins. People in upper tiers are capable of actually carrying.
>>544986130like on paper he has pretty decent gun damage, but his fire rate is fucking atrocious you end up doing next to no damage to people. its insane. Paige is legit a better gun carry than drifter unless he gets like +100 on his passive
>>544986175Why are we rating how people play in the inhouse when half of them are meme building?
>>544986279>gets free damage>needs firerate to output that damage>90% of people stack gun damage and get confused why it isn't workinguncritical thinkers
>>544986351Why not? Only fragile retards would get offended by such an innocuous list, most of us just joke about it in game when inhouses happen I can't imagine there is anyone genuinely bothered by it
>>544986435>gets free damage from what stacks? this nigga cant kill shit and his camp clear is some of the worst in the game
if your character's entire gimmick is to walk into team fights and press 4 your character deserves to be removed from the game
>>544986543I just feel like it would invoke drama is all if some snowflake gets offended by a single opinion....maybe we can fish a lolcow this way.
>>544986639just don't let him walk in
>>544985953Wraith is kinda a good roamer mid game is she not? Good for ratting. Easy win for duels.>>544985953>talking about books and classical musicI guess I forgot about that when I said he only talks about the game. I wasn't trying to shit on him. He was pretty friendly before but I'm not confident enough to join the inhouses so maybe this tilting game changed him.
>>544986585from stacks and his passive yeah>this nigga cant kill shitwe have like 3 drifter spammers dropping their builds and playstyles on the reg. just murder people bro>his camp clear is some of the worst in the gameI agree that this is one of his problems. he reversal snowballs twice as hard because if he falls behind he can't take fights AND can't farm
>>544986741good luck the dynamo and mo on the enemy team farmed my team so bad that mo had 7k health
>>544986830>letting them get farmedskill issue
>he builds reactive barrier>he builds cultist>he builds fury>he builds any healing item>he builds cold front>he builds curse>he builds veil walker>he build fortitude>he builds refresher>he builds echo shard>he builds divine barrier>he builds any barrier item>he builds full orange>he builds full purple>he doesn't build magic carpet>he doesn't build superior stamina
>>544986802>just kill people>need stacks to kill people>to get stacks you need fire rate>to get fire rate you need money>to get money you need kills or camps>repeat ad infinite
>>544986863i'm strangling you
>stun wraith as she casts her teleport>literally see the purple cards leaving her hand>recovers from stun>just teleports again
>>544986936hot
>>544986883got it Ill build monster rounds only
>>544986775>maybe this tilting game changed himMore like he’d corrupt from all the stalkers from other generals gossiping about him. Your self included of course.
>>544986775>good roamer mid game is she notAnonny you silly little retard for the last time we're talking about the FUCKING LANE
>>544987202You literally are doing the same thing retard>>544987401Gun heroes are always good in lane
why are there so many trannies in this game
>>544977140goose is only C tier until he gets geist and goes 12/3 out of nowhere
>>544986971out fucking skilled.is that even supposed to put her teleport on cooldown?
>>544987591good
>>544986971you were supposed to stun her then when that wears off silence her then when she debuff removes that curse hergod, it's like you don't even know the game
Sure wish I could ever get a server that's within 2000 miles of me when I live in the same fucking city as Valve
>>544988310>he lives in seattleLOL
>>544988636Bellevue, Seattle fuckin sucks.
>>544988636holy fake fan
>>544988865>Bellevuespeak english
>>544979178I don't think it was anyone from the 'cord that made this
Why do inhouses cause schizophrenic meltdowns?
>>544989426if song of silk is anything to go by they melt down in normal games too
I want another turret character.Maybe something like venomancer with lots of tiny weak turrets
>>544989980it would be cool if there was a hero who summoned creeps and had abilities to modify them>what would they do past lanigg by and walkersutilize the million creeps sieging the base
>>544990087wish there was more characters capable of iterating with minions in general. Giest should be able to siphon life off your own troopers.
Durpy is a fucking god
why wont you help me asshole
>>544973294i crouch with caps lock and parry with f or h i dont rememberi actually do that in all games i play>>544977140yeah i deserve that D tier after today
>>544978442yes
>>544990769imagine if dynamo could entangle troopers
they should ad d ah hehero thatnt hI cnapa play andai I will earon ern ranks up ueasliy aok? ae ;gg.gg.
>>544989980>lots of tiny weak turretsisnt that what ginnis is?
Senerethers I'm sorry for crashing out at you in the inhouse today, you didn't deserve it.
okay but why is venator just warden but cooler
he deserved it you swine
>>544991801>VenatorGets bossed around by cardinalsKills vampires constantlyBasically a wagie for the vatican>WardenHe trained his whole life for thisThis isn't about good or evil. It's about survival.Kills God
>team decides to randomly do midboss without picks or map control>lose midboss>lose gameI hate team gamesthere is literally nothing you can do if your team decides to coordinate a throw
I just want Boho if she plays like Witch Doctor. I will bring back the Capri&Glock combo to Deadlock.
>>544992204be a voicemaxxed charismachad and people will respect your calls
>>544992302OR intentionally call for it in a funny screechy voice
>>544991681You need medication
>>544991437Venomancer can have 10+ wards at a time.Plus it would be cool if you could stick them on the walls and ceilings
>>544992302stop making me network and grovel to get anything done. this was supposed to be my escape from the hell of day to day life
>>544992363Source?
>>544992401im afraid that just makes a carwash in 3rd/1st person games
>>544992446>flattering people all game that way they feel they Owe You One when you say "let's not go mid now, gang"true grindset mentality
I'm watching some gameplay of this and why does it look like nobody's doing anything 90% of the timeDo abilities just not have animations?
>>5449800450/10 I don't think you have any idea what you're doing, use mine
>>544992790As if you don't want to lure fools into your sinister car wash
always this happens to me never do they help me
this ranked grind busting
>>544992992i DO miss old calico...
lol i cornerboosted by accident and it helped me though
sliding is hrd as fuck but its good
they should add mario but make his double jump free lol
if you headshot you do bonus damage apparently
reloading is fake why is it even in the game
bounce pad's down
Dota pros starting to play deadcock.. oh no no overwatch sissies, your days are numbered!
Apparently there's a bunch of pass on zipline voice lines but I've never heard a single one
>>544994254this game would be significantly better if it were a hero shooter first, moba second rather than a moba first, hero shooter second
>>544994254>moba players starting to play a game with aiming in itso?
>>544994258It is not scripted to play. Same with many use-active-item voicelines
>Hit a perfect Kelvin bubble isolating enemy Haze from the rest of their team while having my entire team in the bubble>Enemy Haze starts dancing>Instead of using one of the six stuns available to them my team starts screaming at me on voice comms>Get blamed for the teamwipe while Paige had ult, curse & knockdown>Check Haze's items and there's no unstoppable in sight>Check replay and all of Paige's items were off-cooldown>Only dies towards the tail-end of the bubble because of fixationBut noooo, Kelvin bad! Report Kelvin for griefing!
>>544992790we need a two form vehicle hero like dva. Victor is soulless comparatively
>>544994258I had it once, I was either shiv or drifter but they have a lot of interactive lines>>544995017that's when I pause the game, what the fuck are you tards doing press spells
>>544995017shouldn't a haze ulting 6 people do no damage?
>start positioning as if the entire game is my enemy>winrate goes uponce I realized that every so called "fight" is actually an attempt in baiting me into throwing my life away I stopped dying and losing games
>be me>fed as fuck>can walk through the entire fucking team if we have a teamfight>but we never do>no one ever plays around me even I ask them to>meanwhile the entire game, a feeding Doorman continuously goes the gay gimmick door shit to push my team under walker>and then under another walker>and then when we get their walks down, sends team to their fountain>literally doesn't matter if I can teamfight because the cancerous doorcuck just removes my team without needing souls\>and uses every single ult on me just for good measureWho the fuck added this character to the game. He doesn't even have to be good at any other mechanic, just this one thing makes it impossible to play
>>544995793what's your plan when they win a 5v6 and take objectives and steamroll your base?
>>544996132you have now become enlightened neither carrying or teamfights matter it's all about initiation and pickoffs
>>544996297Enlightened about what? Pick offs generally imply being able to fight to kill someone. Yes you're meant to jump someone solo with your squad, but at the very least you need to have some kind of game senseThis is the one fucking character that doesn't need to be able to fight nor needs a team to come with them to pick someone offThey aren't the same
>>544996165if I'm farmed then I stand at the very back of the fight and wait for my team to start chain feeding so that abilities and attention are off me when I joinotherwise that's just how shit goes sometimes. sometimes you can't get fed before your team feeds
>>544996132protip: counterspell when you see him dashing up to you with his ult ready. or curse him.
>>544996382doorman is basically the same as bebop hooking , abrams charging someone into their team, or mo and krill just grabbing someone way out of positionit puts you at a big disadvantage if you try to fight when someone is already in a bad spot, so either you let them die or fight in a bad situation and risk the game
>>544996420He wasn't just sprinting at me to ult, he just happens to walk up to me at some point in what could otherwise be a decent teamfight. Usually he fucked around for 4 seconds trying to land more cart shit, so I wasn't going to counterspell anything even if I did it>>544996562Bebop yes, but even then you can still pretty easily predict a Bebop initiation when there's 3 people hovering in the jungle around him. It's very different from a solo character snatching people to a completely safe space you can't even try to fight in, without needing team to be around in the first placeMo is just another pick character that has to dive into your jungle and bring the squad with him. So realistically, it's only Bebop that can kinda do the same thing but he isn't nearly as bad unless it's a genuine teamfight scenario
>>544996735You could try focus lens, but yes doorman is basically the biggest faggot in the game to deal with if youre trying to 1v11. His cart is easy to dodge if he isnt directly on top of you (just jump), but ye it doesnt matter if your team is retarded.
>play 2 games>carry 1, next game unwinnable even when I'm ahead>stop for the day because it's fucking torture>play the next day>unwinnable even when I'm ahead>play the next day>unwinnable even when I'm aheadThis game is genuine fucking torture. Either I'm a fucking god 1v6ing or I lose, no exceptions
why do solo queue players have what i call main character syndrome>blame teammates for not helping them when they get outnumbered into a fight that they clearly shouldn't have taken>say the matchmaking paired them with bad teammates when the other team is just as likely to have the same happen to them
How the fuck do you punish BROOOOOLing in this gameI understand the basic moba concept of pushing a lane or looking for picks when aheadI understand keeping all lanes pushed and getting priorityI understand games aren't meant to go 30 minutes longBut how the fuck am I meant to put any of them into practice in this game when 6 people on the enemy team + zipline + walkers having astronomical hp and waves taking 6 years to move, so even when the enemy is fighting 5v5 somewhere else on the map, all it takes is a single person to stop me from pushing towerLiterally any other moba, when the entire enemy team is elsewhere and you're ahead, the 1 person that comes to stop you gets dived and you get the tower for free. You usually need to dedicate 2 people to control someone fedIn this game you can't dive tower in this game unless you're like 10k souls ahead. You can't proxy. The minions die in a nano second against every character on the roster, and even when they do somehow reach the walkers they barely contribute, so if you aren't an M1 character you get to take like 20% of the walker hp per wave at best, and that's 2 minutes of sieging
>>544997490it's because matchmaking gives you teams that have an average elo which match the opponent's average, not teams which actually are the same rank
There is a genuine possibility HL3 will be announced before this game, which everyone is aware of, is announced.
>>544997490You just have to be lucky.I'm in the middle of win streaks & rank up because the game don't expect me to be the carry and 1v6 the enemies.I don't know when it's gonna end, but it feels good not having to carry the team, and I just have to do my part to win the game.
>>544997490have you considered you only win because your teammates are good and let you farm, and the games where you lose your team cant carry you while you farm
>>544998386No because I'm playing pick characters. I soak a wave when no one's there, and otherwise leave it to the M1s and take enemy sinners or look for picksI'm not an M1gger. I don't rely on hitting getting freefarm for 20 minutes to feel like I can click an enemy even onceStop playing devil's advocate or projecting, I don't know which it is. Either way it makes you sound like a nigger
I can't remember the last time the average rank of my game wasn't 3 above my own rank
>>544998674thank you elo assassin for your hard work
>>544997965I'm just excited for when we start getting official sfm trailers.
>>544998714Is there a source 2 sfm yet I'm so old and confused
>>544998770there is, don't think it's public yet though.
>>544994254quinn is a fag though. call me when rtz plays
what's the best lane combo?
G-G-G-G-unit
>>544999357Cinnamon and anyone who wants to dive like Calico, Billy or Abrams.
get rich or die tryin'
>>544999497>will eventuallylol
>>544981442Paige up 1Holiday up 1Paradox up 1Pocket up 3Can more or less agree with the rest
>>544999136soon
>>544994254Another evidence of hybrid build superiority
>>544996407This is called baiting and its bm
>>544997884You cant, you can do non-jump pad rotation in 8 seconds and there is 30secodn between waves
>>544999497post the build
>Matched with a Holiday who doesn't know how to last hit
>Enemy drifter is hellbent on always fighting no matter who what where when or why>Playing as Viscous so if I ever even come close to losing HP I cube up>If that isn't enough I just puddle punch him or gooball away>Only died 2 times the entire game>Drifter says "fuck this game" and rage quits when their base gets pushed inlmfao
>get stomped>stomp>get stomped>stompit's so tiresome
>>545001879cuck cage extremeCD? cuck cage.Greater expansion? cuck cage.Enemy play? you guessed it, the cuck cage!
>>544997884Brawls are by nature a tug of war. One moment you're losing, the next you're winning, the next everyone is backed up waiting for who moves first. Etc. I don't mean this to sound condescending but you have to use your intelligence to brawl. See an enemy low? Try to pick them. See your team getting fucked up? Back off (let them die, they're probably too stupid to even realize they're about to die). Golden opportunity to use your ult but can't make the call out? Just go for it and see what happens (have to make the best of a bad situation some times).If you specifically mean walkers and diving or lane defense; it's the same concept. Enemy turtling on walker? Don't fuck with them, it's not worth it since they get buffs. Or do you see they're low and you are up on HP or a soul lead? Bait the walker into stomping or the flame move then go punish. All of these things probably seem obvious but people that play literally don't think about what they're doing. Look up the concept of "play your life" in gaming (ifaik it comes from the old Halo days).
Tips for playing Paige? I don't want to go gun.
>>545002357hold ult ult until enemy has committed some stun or something to counter initiatebuy speed items so you cant be chased down, grab greater AOE so you can spam spells better. Knockdown/curse. Then just survivability, even something like cheat death
>>545002357Paige has a lot of gun damage because her shit is mad slow and easy to dodge. In lane you can really fuck people up if you play smartly because you deal high damage per hit.You should unironically be aggressive with Paige. Not like other CQC aggressive characters but aggressive in that you should be baiting your enemies. Bait them into eating close range gun damage. Bait them into getting trapped. Bait them into taking DPS fire damage from the 1. Parry as often as possible (enemy dependent + skill diff). Bait them into nukes + any/all team help.
>>545002357press knockdown, shield yourself, 3, 1, heavy meleeabout 1.5k damage burst. 2k if you 4 and then punch again while they're stunnedpaige's knockdown power spike is ridiculous and punch paige's burst means the game belongs to you from 10-20 minutes
>>545002357please do not listen to these retards>>545002990>>545002684you provide far more value getting multiple rotations of spells off than doing damage (everyone can do damage)
>>545003143t. hasn't played punch paigeit's busted. try it
>>545002357>compress cooldown(Imbued to shield)>extended duration(Imbued to shield)>Surge of power(Imbued to shield)>mystic expansion(take a wild guess)Are you picking up what im putting down?>Quicksilver reload(Imbued to shield)
>>545003143Tell us oh wise one what to do? (you won't)
>yoshi fears the green meana so he gave her the lowest hp>yoshi fears the gun meana so he gave her the lowest gun dpsMeana hybrid v2>Kinetic + stammastery3s stam recovery + 5 stam total. You can shift 7 times back to back>veil walker AND fortFlat health and flat heal. You can leave fight and return full hp fast as possible>a shit ton of firerateLove bite apocalypse
Green geist, yay or nay
>Bebop ragequits twenty minutes into the gameWhy is it always this hero that is played by the most insufferable people?
>>545002272i have yet to play a cage build but this may be the move i will give it a shot
>>545004242I have this with hazes or infernuss
>>545004195Yay, one of highest base hp so the items scale well, uses hp to cast, game will literally designate you as a frontliner in matchmaker comps
>>545002357>I don't want to go gun.Then go full support.Max 2 & 4, and get behind your team.You are at the mercy of your team's intelligence to win the game, but if your team is good, the 2x 3x barriers that gives shields + fire rate + weapon damage is crazy good and can almost guarantee you win every fight.
>>545004358sadly no good build on the browser I'll have to improvise
>>545004195I've tried it a few timesseems alright. decently funI built it with maxed 2 + rapid rechargesuppressor + juggernaut for surviving gunspirit shield + spirit res for spirit. extension into any of the great t4 spirit counters
>>545004406Reposting my rough draft from the last thread. I get mystic slow+ slow bullets to make up for the lack of cc so I can lock down enemies for my teamOpener>Sprint boots>mystic regen>Enduring speed>healing booster>mystic slow>slow bullets>debuff reducerMidgame>warpstone>radiant regen>debuff removerLate game>healing tempo>juggernaught>lightning scrollExpiremental but probably good>witchmailThe spirit resist reduces the damage to self and the flat 4s cooldown reduction is very good on low cd abilities
>>545004718Scroll is a bit of a waste considering it's a single target
>>545004718have you actually played thisit looks terrible
which heroes would seinfeld characters play
>>545004750Probably right, Its just an upgrade from the mystic slow
>>545004061>>545004718everytime I see your builds it's like you made up some success criteria unrelated to how a match plays out going in
>>545005013he's a retarded "thinker"
>>545004850Yea works well enough, you never die and keep people max slowIt is for frontline tho not 1v1 so if your team sucks you suck
>>545004284cucks go in the cuck cage
>>545005013I dont know what you meanIn live matches I dont left-right builds, i will counter itemize. They are just frameworks, playstyles, or sometimes just trying to leverage an unusual stat or interaction
>>544967208>not understanding thisAre you genuinely retarded?
thoughts on bald warden
>>545005531suits himlooks meaner without eyes. wish they'd stuck to that aesthetic
>>544945717I’m still trying to construct a gun mina (m1na as you could say) build but I’m paralyzed by how many of the orange items I need to look over and figure out how they’d perform since I don’t really like stacking a gorillion fire rate boosting items on her also why does gay talon get so many passive bullshit stats just for building spirit
>>545002298Bro I know how to brool. That isn't the point. Permanently 5 man brawls in the jungle happen all the time in shitlow and there is very little an individual can do to actually stop it. Either everyone agrees to stop, someone omega throws, or it just goes on forever because no one knows target priorityThe point is that in other mobas, this shit is punished because after 30 seconds of brawling, you're guaranteed to have lost at least one tower. In this game, people will do it literally all game and get absolutely nothing out of it, and there's effectively no way to stop it. Either you go join it and actively contribute to the most retarded possible play people can make, or you just farm for the duration and pray your team didn't just give them 3k souls eachBrawling is fucking retarded unless it's like the 25 minute final fight, and usually that starts off a pick. The problem is when this is happening at minute 12, minute 16, minute 20, and no one has the souls to actually take a walker even if they win. It's just retarded, it should be punished - and yet there's nothing you can do to punish it. You just have to get to an elo where no one does it because they know it's retarded
>>544967208ah, my favorite deadlock experiencestanding around in front of a walker while my opponents stand under its feetI'm sure a gamemode that hinges on the thrilling experience of walker sieging will be long lived
>>545005531I still don't know if I want a copper or someone fully decked with trinkets
>>544976112No, they aren'tValve games in general attract the most retarded spergs you can find
>>544936714No, none of our carries built any bullet resist, why would they do such a thing?I hate m1 babs so much
>>545005584i prefer without the eys too desu
>>545005837t.noob, but unironically what is the /dlg/ patented item pick for bullet resist Metal skin is countered by capacitor and makes you walk slow, jugg is apparently not high enough value for its price because a large portion of m1 carries get their damage from their kit rather than their bullets, etcis the play to just build disarming hex and curse
>>545005837It's okay, anon. Even when you get to ascendant 6 does your team never actually build any defensive items.
>>545005013They are mostly hybrid builds because of the diminishing returns on soul investment. Soft goal of 9.6k in each category to maximize spending. Within that I will get spirit before gun because its flat values and thus bigger impact earlierFor the mina build her unique stats are lowest hp, lowest gun dps, and lowest stamina recovery, so I built around those albeit in a contrarian way. I believe that once strategies become popular they lose their effectiveness because the opposition knows what you do. So I dont bother making another spirit nuker MinaFor the geist build its my second, I already had a hybrid. Its focused on those games when the matchmaker decided that our two frontliner are geist and dynamo or drifter. I know the latter will just play some slop build so Ill play frontliner. Besides her gun and her spirit scaling is pretty mid, so to me it seems like malice stacking is the play which is a longer engagement by design of the skillI try to limit myself to 8 slots to leave flexibility for counters/getting stuck with fewer. I browse the wiki charts to find the anomalous attributes and use the deadlock calculator to see how the stats look. These last two were pretty lazy but usually i do think about how the cheaper items will work in lane and the general tempo/order/timing of things
>>545006092I just go bullet resilience + plated armour and if I die anyway it was probably over anyway. I usually have crushing fists + bullet vest so I get to 50% bullet resistance on that. t. abrams
>>545005719Her gun is ass so if you dont want to litterally throw you have to do the attackspeed lovebite thingI also hate gay talon, I just find his builds incredibly uninteresting. his attack speed is pretty weak so you could do an expresshot+ sharpshooter build i suppose
>>545006092Jugg is the play most of the time
>>545006092More often than not you get more value tanking fire rate instead of flat resistance. So Juggernaut is great, suppressor can be pretty good if you proc it enoughI found metal skin/return fire to often be lacking but I might just be shit, but generally I find a silence or disarm to be more reliablePlated is great because of anti on-hit procs. Flat bullet resist tends to be one of the lower value picks, funny enough
>>545006092ideally you have multiple layers of defensive options spread across your team but pubs don't even counter itemize let alone coordinate having someone apply suppressor and someone carry disarming hex will make their frontliner's health go so much further but nobody thinks like that. they just think about how to force multiply themselves, not their team
I thought mcginnis turrets are not gonna be useful anymore in higher rank, but turned out even Archon is too retarded to deal with it.I've been speed running rank with turrets builds and it just keep working.
>>545004678Suppressor and jugg has some wasted value against the non gun carry, fire rate slow is capped at -50% so its very overkill if they dont have firerate
>>545006989I think return fire is weird because it doesn't actually help you frontline, it's a pay off for tanking damage. but the biggest pay off for tanking damage is the space it makes for your team and popping the item discourages your opponent from hitting youI played some games of green mirage and it felt good there. mirage has a breakpoint where if his burst doesn't kill then he has to spend another 15 seconds being a mid character. the return fire damage helped to make sure the burst killedreturn fire is probably best on burst characters like drifter who want to 1v1 above their weight class and get quick pick offs. it helps to push their burst past the kill breakpoint and discourages standing and fighting, which helps minimize your defensive investment and lets you focus on buying more burst
>>545007246someone is gonna pay with a 10loss streak
>>545007246I was on an 18 game winstreak a couple weeks ago, and since then it put me into purgatory. I can only assume it thought I was a smurf because winning is almost impossible now
>>545007882>>545007971I'm only at 55% win rate now.Maybe I can push a little bit more before the lose streaks start...
>>545005756I don't think it's brawling that is the problem. It's teammates and players who don't capitalize or think. You don't have to attack a walker and take it in one go. Deal damage over time, back off, regroup, don't die. People can not do this, don't this, and won't stop doing it even if you ask (nay; yell) them to. Same reason people who chase low HP characters but don't kill them. They have no foresight. Yeah they might get 1 kill, but they also might not and then die themselves. Happens extremely often. You should be analyzing and critical of what you and your teammates are doing.
>>544994254He retired from pro dota anyway. Probably because his org cockblocked him from going to TI.
>>545007246How do you properly build/use turrets?
>>545009295Dont let your enemy be able to shoot them easily. Yeah they have low HP but they can't look left and right at the same time. Force them to eat damage. Off angles, up/down turrets. Etc
every time I watch good players it feels like towers and walkers offer almost 0 resistance but when I play a geist kills the entire wave before it even gets there and I have to tank tower to even do like 10% damage
this general is filled low elo retards holy shit please don't post unless ur eternus(ascendant pre uptade)
>>545009923retard gameretard threadelofags get out
>>545008370It's 100% brawling being the problemThis game is incredibly fucking easy macro wise. You push 2 waves, then with your lane prio you move in small groups to pick people off in the jungle or the person who goes to collect the wave. You win that, it snowballs into another fight in your favor. After you win that, you get mid and end the gameThere is absolutely no reason to just randomly 5v5 in the enemy jungle without prio for 3 minutes straight. There is not a single circumstance where it's acceptable unless you're just so drastically ahead in farm that it's not even a brawl, it's a slaughter
>>545010651people like fighting bro I don't know how to make this easier to understand
>>545010732There's nothing to understand? It's obvious people like fighting. That doesn't mean it's not fucking retarded. Literally any other moba, you can punish them for doing this retarded thing they like doing. You can't in this. You just have to hope your team wins while you actually do what you're meant to do
Why do some things just not work the way they're supposed to? >Dive guardian and parry>It doesn't melee for no reason>Jump Dynamo 1/Lash 1>Get hit anyway>4-5 character lengths away from Geist bomb>Get hit anyway>Double dash away from a predicted melee>blutooth punch
whiffing a parry should cause your character's clothes to instantly explode off their body
>>545010651>no reason to just randomly 5v5 in the enemy jungle without prio for 3 minutes straight.But this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your teammates (and enemies) aren't thinking, they don't understand what they are doing or should be doing. Even if there is a random 5v5 brawl with no side winning. In these scenarios all you can do is make a call to retreat and hope your retard shit for brain teammates decide to leave. And the reason they stay to brawl is because they aren't thinking, they just see "brawl" and go in themselves because "durr if I press my 1 I will do damage" etc.So you as your own player with your own intelligence and thoughts needs to recognize what to do. Do you help and brawl? Do you make call out? Do you just back off and let your team die? There isn't always a correct answer; because the correct answer is to have not done it in the first place. Just play your game, play your life, back off and let your idiot teammates die. Go in and help when the enemy is low, etc.
If you don't really care about playing any specific hero does it matter if you high priority them on the selection screen? Like lets say you have every character turned on all at high. How does the game pick what character you're getting? Are you essentially saying to the game "idc what just put me in a game"? Or should you have only like 3 highs, 2 lows, and everything else turned off?
>>545011028>paige parries in the middle of the lane and starts all chatting about submitting to abrams
>>545009295Either go all in, or don't bother.I can barely catch up with everybody else unless I go all in with the items.I go mystic slow, extra charge, improved spirit & mystic vulnerability as early item.Sprint boot is almost a must in lane for the healing & sprint speed for boxes.You want to get these item in this order (Boundless Spirit, EE, Spirit Burn)Slowly upgrade the charge, cooldown, duration, range, etc
>>545011383Probably just makes q times a bit shorter since you wont have any pick clashes with anybody else
>>545011408what do you think of rusty barrel?sounds like it'd be nice to prevent people from committing to a turret kill in lane
>>545011492I think some guy tested this and it was extremely negligible decrease to q times, like a few seconds
>>545011939Don't care for it.Most of the time, people don't even kill turret first when they have a fat target in front of them (You. You're the fat target)And I position my turrets to cover each others, so the enemy have to take multiple turrets damage just to start killing one.That item is a waste of money.
>>545011987Might be more gains if you are playing on a smaller server like oce.Presumably that guy tested it on eu or na servers
>unwinnable misery game>unwinnable CBT game>match like this>unwinnable suffering game>another match like thisMy match history in a nutshellThis isn't fun
>>545013158team based competitive games are so fun!
Is there a way to extend the chat wheel? 8 Slot is not enough.
>>545013441post your chat wheel
>>545013441use your mic lil bro
>>545013476NTA but I wish I had space for Stay Together and NevermindForgot pic
Nah babe.I'm Laaaaaaaaaaaaash.
>>545013476I wish i could easily replace "Going to shop" with something else past lane.>>545013591And for people to make fun of my accent and flame me if my stats do not look good? Fuck no.
Are there 12 europeaners that would be up for a custom lobby on a european domain server this afternoon?
>>545013476the only personality test that matters
>>545013781the other spics and vatniks are gonna make fun of your voice?
Saw a Drifter running full spirit Drifter with Healing Tempo and Mystic RegenDo I do it. It looked kinda good but it could have been that the enemy was just terrible (we still lost)
great kryllic sim
>>545013690headed to lane is unnecessary because you can just ping the lane in the mapgood job is unnecessary, contextual would be betterwhat's the plan is a meme
>>545014387sounds really bad
>>545014415I could see what's the plan prompting people to actually think instead of mindlessly split up and farm
>>545013476The only three I use are Yes, Good Job and You're Welcome.
>>545014647relying on your team to think is a mistake, if you think they could be doing something else ping the objective that they should be going towards and hope they get the obvious hintbecause they won't on their own
>>545014812I only use going in, but I couple this with im going in over the mic in my highest Pic possible followed by sound effects when impact
>>545014812the team micromanager shivers in fear at the silent morale booster
>>545013781going to shop is still useful if you need to buy an item before sieging the enemy base.
>>545004242Bebops, Minas and Drifers are consistently played by the worst people.
Streamers are OBLIGATED to listen to ME. They EXIST for MY entertainment. the monkey DANCE when I say so
>>545015517>drifterswtf bro I just wanna kill people
>>545015517>MinasEither the most slippery motherfucker ever and people can barely kill herOr a drooling retard that can't even contribute to the team.There's no in between. No mediocre Mina.
>>545015645>>545015730It's not how good they are at the game.It's their behavior.
>>545016081Pfftt.Every players in this game is the worst person ever.
>>545005531hehe balden
>>545005531>>545005584>>545005865i just noticed he has eyesdesign actually ruined
You can edit the chat wheel?!
>>545016913but why would you?
>>545010861I don't think you've ever been able to jump over Dynamo 1, and I know they beefed up the height on Lash 1 a bit because it was pitifully easy to jump over so I wouldn't expect it to be as consistent as it was (good).
>>545017047You are able to jump over Dynamo one and it is intentional, the devs just keep buffing the height on it making it more and more difficult
Any way to improve my Spirit DrifterI haven't even used it yet but based on my past 60 games of gun and occasionally hybrid drifter I feel it will do something
>>545017202Where is your mystic burst into tankbuster sirWhere is your QSR sirAssuming you aren't 100% damage focus, where is your sup duration sir (this makes SoP, burn, blast etc. last longer too)Where is your CDR sirWhere is your warp stone sir Where is your spirit sap -> silence wave sir
>been playing other games for a few days>queue up deadlock>lane starts>start physically shakingdo i have a problem
>>545017361>CDRDesyncs surge of Spirit/Snatch until Transcendant. Fuck that. it's basically a DPS loss>QSRKinetic Dash does the same thing for the slot, higher overall damage, while also giving you chase and survival>Sup DurationHonestly I spent a while thinking about it because I run it on gun drifter, but realistically I won't be getting Arctic at a reasonable time and everything else is just more valuable for why you buy them. I'll probably grab it after arctic in most games even without it in the build though. I was just trying to keep damage core under 30k>Warp Stonememe>Silence WaveTested while doing hybrid. I'd rather just grab Slowing Hex for 99% of situations where I'd want a silenceI'll think more about duration and maybe silence but I'm not that sold
>>544977140>>D (instalose lane with)I won most of my lanes even though I lost most of my games
>>545017873Silence wave shreds their resists and cucks their spirit sir, the lack of spell casting is just a bonus, sir
>>544983000>mm_prefer_solo_only truethat is already the default
>>545017202I think melee lifesteal is really lane dependent. I usually go headshot booster -> head hunter>battle vest over emblemsurprised at that. not only are you building more spirit here but spirit res is usually more useful early/mid game than bulletI only upgrade into escalating exposure if I'm going a mark centered build path. is it still good if you're not running mark + decay to soften people?vampiric burst is such a great transition item for switching into late game gun. if you're picking up a t3 item for fire rate I think fury trance is better than burst fire. once you're teleported in and used rend you're not using any skills for 6s anywaysI have a hard time believing spirit burn that early is good. if you're committing in on a target and hitting them with your spirit burst, it's probably not on a tanky target who's going to heal it off. if you are trying to make it your job to deal with a heal tank, wouldn't you be more efficient at doing so with gun damage and crippling headshot? burst tends to eat shit against huge health pools that buy spirit res>no enchanters emblem>no improved spirit or boundless>no silence wavewhere the fuck is your spirit coming from
>>544979156but bug shaker is a good player
>>545017961He already gets basically the exact same shred/spirit debuff every 8s from snatch, AND gets stats when he lands it.
>>545018567¿por qué no los dos?
>>544986351most of the guys on the top can carry with meme builds. the guys at the bottom can even win with serious builds.
>>545018567resistances can go negativeI don't think silence wave is an every game thing but in the games you do want it it's really good. mina and pocket just fucking die if you can piano you actives the instant you teleport in
>>545018649Because resist shred has diminishing returns the more of it you stack.
>>545018183>I think melee lifesteal is really lane dependentIt's really easy to clip them with the edge for the 100 and that every 16 seconds is unmatched. Only comparison is Restorative, but I prefer greens early because Drifter's laning sucks ass without a god partner>battle vest over emblemIt's basically just an anti-bullet option. I rarely buy it, but once you have Kinetic it's a good spike even on Spirit. For spirit resist, I'm already running Spirit Shielding. Greens in lane are basically just to live, idc about Enchanter's damage>no improved spirit or boundlessLosing 20 spirit on the baby components is nothing compared to the alternatives; other items are just more important than Boundless. Boundless is like omega hyper-farmed moment, it does less damage than Burn, Reverb, and Arctic until you actually have all them. And by that point resists and CC is more important>no silence waveSlowing Hex is better and as the other guy said, Snatch + Mystic is already doing the job, anything more is major diminishing returns>where the fuck is your spirit coming fromBuying purple. Flat damage is more important early, whereas once I have 15k worth of spirit the spirit is there regardless>I have a hard time believing spirit burn that early is goodIt's percentile damage, aoe, and healing reduction at the point in the game that you can get it, not even counting the flat damage. It far outpaces everything else as a second 6400. Only problem is that in some situations you need to have Arctic up to proc it>escalating exposureJust there as an upgrade option because your 2 + ult stacks it to max instantly, and mostly for situations where the entire team is spirit but I'm too stubborn to switch. Realistically, I sell Vuln rather than upgrading to Exposure unless they're hard stacking resists>>545017961As the other guy said, diminishing returns on resists. I've got 2 sources already
>>545017202I dont ever upgrade to arctic blastI dont think Escalating exposure is ever worth it and probably not mystic vulnerability eitherI like compress cooldown but if you want the sync u can just imbue to ultTorment pulse would do a lot
>>545019215>As the other guy said, diminishing returns on resists. I've got 2 sources alreadyYeah you should drop mystic vuln because it sucks
>>545019330Arctic is an enormous upgrade when you can get it. Even on Hybrid I was getting it at as my first 6400. Guaranteed melee range rend (with amp) which they can otherwise easily walk out of + the damage is huge on its ownIf you're going spirit, I don't think there's a stronger first 6400, especially since it's cheaper since you already grab Cold Front>Torment pulseI tried it on hybrid because it sounded funny but nah, it's just impossible to live in melee long enough to get real value out of it. He's not Yamato even if you build like her>>545019337It only loses 1.2% shred with just Snatch. 1600 for a consistent 6.8% is still worth it. But there's a good chance I'll just skip it if I ever get to shop with 3200. It's just there for tempo
>>545019960mystic vuln is the same price as spirit sap brother worst most dogshit item in the entire game
>>545019960He is literally a frontline, also arctic blast does the same rend damage as shadowweave(with no boots so shadowweave is actually higher later)So either arctic sucks or shawdoweave is good
>>545020201Boons* not boots
should I not bother with grabbing any fire rate items if I plan on getting fury trance?
>>545020201>He is literally a frontline,By matchmaking standardsI do not want him as a frontline over a real tank. If I'm going spirit I've already committed to being selfish. I'm not standing in front of bullets just because matchmaking told me to>ShadoweaveWe're going spirit bossIf I'm going grabbing a 6400 yellows or greens as my first item it's gonna be purple, and even if it wasn't, there's better yellows/purples than memereaveidk what argument you're trying to make but Arctic is massive for its purpose. Basically every top level Drifter tried shadowreave and dropped it even on gun builds
>>545020547My arguement is that shadowweave(it gives spirit btw)gives more rend damage than arctic, so either its good or arctic isntSimple as
>>545019215quickly testing spirit burn vs boundless on your rend burst, burn wins out by about 200 damage at 20k networth but boundless wins out at about 30k networth. however with a full mark -> rend combo boundless mogs. probably depends on the gamereverb seems bad. hard time believing it's worth getting pretty much ever on drifter
If any courageous anons want to try a frontline meme drift compress cd on rend + witchmail can reset the cd every proc
If the matchmaking assigned you frontline and you dont build frontline, your griefing
>>545020796>it gives spirit btwNot enough. Arctic is consistent and doesn't need me to actually proc Ambush before clicking the button\>gives more rend damage than arcticIt doesn't? Before even getting into calcs, with Snatch + Surge, Arctic + Rend kills base Abrams. Shadow Weave doesn't. And yes I'm proccing Ambush beforehand. That's at 0 boons, which is where Weave is at its best. Realistically you'll have like 15 boons by the time you can get Arctic and at that point it just rapes WeaveThis also isn't accounting for the fact that one of the biggest reasons you go Arctic is to guarantee the main damage. Anyone dashing automatically leaves the melee range so you don't do anything. Arctic guarantees it always, even with shitty cameras after 2. Even if Arctic somehow falls behind, which it doesn't, that alone makes it worth it because you're losing insane damage if they so much as have Enduring Speed in some cases>>545021349Once again, Spirit's damage is just one component. It's aoe anti-heal and damage on a character otherwise single-target. By the point in the game that Boundless has enough spirit to work off to beat Spirit, you're against people with 4 healthbars so you need the reductionI'm not saying go Boundless. I'm saying that pure stats for what's honestly a tiny bit of extra damage even at 30k compared to what you're dealing with, Burn just does more overallReverb is kinda up to you. A Reverb procced off Arctic kills basically anyone, plus it's aoe (with Burn we're transition to teamfight at this point). Kill one target, everyone else loses half their hp. I don't like being pure single target by the time you get to 35k because then you become fodder when the full health M1s look at you after your combo is overRegardless, it's personal choice. There's no wrong answer. All three are good. I want the utility without losing much damage
>>545020796Hey NTA but this sounded like complete horseshit so I tested it.Base level in training grounds, I bought SoP, Snatch, Burn, Reverb, and Kinetic Dash. Then I tried comboing Blast > Rend, checked numbers, then tried Weave > Rend and checked the numbers.Even ignoring the fat chunk of damage from Blast (which is more than Rend's damage here btw), Blast's 15% damage bump and the additional spirit investment gave me 297 damage on rend, while Weave gave me 284. For clarity, Blast also did 322 damage. You don't even proc Spirit Burn with a Weave Rend.
>>545022614My bad, I did mess up. Hard rend number on shadow weave is 357. So it's maybe more of a gray area. If your goal is just fat spirit numbers, I think Blast is still better, yea. Weave's obviously got a lot of utility though and still makes Rend pretty damn chunky, and does proc Spirit Burn after Reverb pops.
>>545005584They haven't changed him though?
>>545022451>A Reverb procced off Arctic kills basically anyoneI don't think reverb does what you think it does
imagine if valve pulled the plug when this game is fully finished
>>545024089He means using artic blast to keep somebody stationary long enough to hit them with a rend, anonymous
>>545024089I don't mean that Reverb kills them on its own. I mean the damage of Arctic + Rend with the bonus from Reverb is still going to kill anyone compared to Boundless
>>545022451>weave is best at 0 boons???Idk what you are testing bro but weave scales way better, its an orange
>>545024413It's a flat value + consistent percentage bonus being compared to an item that literally scales off the stat you're getting lolWe aren't playing gun bro
>>545024574I misunderstood, you are talking about blast scalingRegardless its only 0.7x
>>545022037I think this too, same for support characters. I hate when I get dumb shit like gun Abrams or Paige in my shit
>>545013476
>>545025356Plus the ping keys.
What's the plan?
Need a shield booster itemNeed a shield shredder item
>>545025649play video game
>>545025741Capacitor removes shields
Deadlock rapes my mental state so hard I now do a cheeky queue in Dota to relax, of all things. Genuine psychological hazard.
>>545026351Nothing like a nice sunday game of Dota 2 to remind me why I play Deadlock instead
>>545025649My new plan is maj leap into shadow weaveBoth 32s cooldown, both initation tools. Can go in either order but I think leap>weave is probably better than weave>leapWorks on abrams beebop billy drifter dynamo mo and krill pocket shiv the doorman vicious vyper warden wraith and yamato
>>545021349>>545022451With the listed build, including Arctic and Burn, I just compared Boundless vs Reverb vs Exposure; the 2 > Arctic > 1 combo does basically the same damage to with all of them. Reverb does the least overall, but close enough to still be valid. Boundless actually does less than Escalating by the end of the burn duration, but slightly more in the initial hitBasically, it's really a pick-your-flavour. The slight bit of extra damage upfront from Boundless isn't enough to matter to me.As a side note, I also tested a couple others (Mercurial, Focus Lens), and Focus Lens shits on them all in damage if you combo properly (2 > Focus > Arctic > 1) and it comes with the silence. Naturally, none of the testing involves holding M1 during it or Focus does even more. Plus the fire rate boost is nice for ult synergy on anotherwise slow buildtl;dr with retarded armchair values of just hitting an infernus with a lot of hp, Focus > Escalating > Boundless > Reverb in overall damage. So just pick based on utility
>InfernusMeleeing infernus breaks his fingers, giving him extreme spread. He has to reload. Faggot hero thats good at all levels of the game and is a hyper carry.>KelvinShooting under the icepath when Kelvin skates away now has a chance to make Kelvin slip and break his neck, like getting shot off a line>Phantom strikeNow forces the target the ground - no matter what - if the target is STILL in the air, then they dont have a head and die instantly >skill rebalancingAll EXORT skills are now shitty like dynamos heal, being useful only at lvl 3.
>>545027889>>Kelvin>Shooting under the icepath when Kelvin skates away now has a chance to make Kelvin slip and break his neck, like getting shot off a line"we want the Super Smash Bros Brawl audience"
How much better or worse would be the game be if base guardians were an actual threat
I genuinely am not sure it's possible to lose the game if you have good teammates. Having bad teammates guarantees a loss. Every. Single. Time. There is no amount of good gameplay, good team play, good call outs, you can do, to win when on the bad team. It just isn't possible and I truly have no idea how the teammates you get some times are so dumb. Never engage, never back up, never defend, never attack. These players are conscientious objectors and do nothing but lose the game faster for you.
>>545029610Amazing discovery
>>545027251I should really get focus lens moreI tend to go curse but the focus lens is great for burst builds
>>545029610Wait... the better of the two teams wins? Since when???
why did they designate drifter as a tank for matchmaking? >average health scaling from boons>nothing in kit designed around survivability???
>>545026351I'm doing it the opposite way around.It's harder to get mad at a game that you understand much less. Outside of basic shit like getting picked off alone or just feeding, I can't really identify when my allies are costing me a game in deadlock, yet.
>>545027251I can already intuitively know that result just by looking at the modifiers, 1.4 on rend is good not great and 0.02 on mark is pretty abysmal(albeit on a hp %)You probably get more from superior duration than boundless with that comboAnyways I dont like making focus lens core because its cucked by debuff remover
>>545031236post a sticky note over your mini maponce you start noticing how god awful your team's map movements are it's free seethe
>>545031270>only 0.02 >on hp% damageit's a lot. with boundless you can hit 7% a second which absolutely deletes anyone without debuff remover
>>544977140gee I wonder who the regular users are
>>545031720Who?
>/vg/ thread doesn't devolve into Discord drama challenge [IMPOSSBILE]
>>544977140tfw didn't make the list
>>545031942I like lobby doko games but it inevitably leads to clique shit
>>545031902almost everyone in D tier
>>545031270I'm also runing Superior Duration thoughMark does a lot bro and you're always going to land it anyway. The damage was basically the exact same ratios without mark, and it doesn't even make a difference for things like Escalating Exposure because burn does the 12 procs on its own.>Debuff RemoverFuck em. Damage is still gonna be the same general value as the previous items. There's functionally no damage by the end between them all. Focus is just the massive outlier
tfw farted and it itches my butthole just right
>>545030830Close range
>>545030830>nothing in kit designed around survivabilitygee I wonder if it's the 45% lifesteal after using rend.....nah couldn't be
>Kelvin player seething because I used splitshot to shoot through his domeplay a less faggoty character then
>>545032492The thing no one gets until the game is over? Which is still shit because most people are hybrid
What are some throw tier heroes that you see and instantly know you are about to lose the game>Dynamo>Vyper>Warden
>>545032686Miku
>>545032686mina's are 90% useless
>Drifter> feast or famine snowball character with a shit earlygameWho made this cock and ball torture design lol
>>545032686>Bebop on my team100% guaranteed to be a complete shitter that hits zero hooks and ends the game with over ten deaths, if he doesn't grief and then leave.>Bebop on the enemy teamHook-landing GOD that oneshots people with bombs ten minutes into the game.
I love "walking the dog" moments in this game, where one player is trying to escape from another while having no stamina and they are matching move speed, so the pursuer is just mag dumping into their back.
>>545033507i will never understand the people that just turn their backs at you and don't shoot back.that ivy isn't even reloading or anything.
>>545032649holy shitlow
>>545035493Name literally one high level Drifter that gets it ever
>>545035640High-level drifter is an oxymoron
>>545035640Me.You're not making any argument. 45% bullet lifesteal is extremely good especially when paired with lifesteal items and you'll know this if you ever played against a decent drifter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UXvru8qG1A>there's already a dota 2 powerpoints copyI do not like this at all
weirdly enough after playing deathlock for so long i['m no longer insecure about my micropenis, having a hobby realty helps
>>545035887Okay, name any of the top 20 Drifters nigger>>545035905Except all the other options are just better. The argument is that you're picking the shittiest option. To even make that lifesteal worth it means playing pure gun, which is the most dogshit build he can run and doesn't even come online until the point where you probably buy Vampiric anywayPost proof or you're fucking terrible, because not a single renowned Drifter is getting the lifesteal before their final point.
>>545036079this guy sounds like he's trying too hard to be funny.and he talks like a fag
how do i get out of emissary?
I am back from yoga saars and ready to lose my zen playing soloQ.
>>545036484>renowned drifterGet a load of this guy
>>545037849At least four high level streamers have had lengthy periods of playing him recentlyThere's still a top 30 of Drifters and they all know better than you too, and their games can be looked upDon't be a nigger. You aren't the first person to think of it, but you are shit and it was a shit thought
>>545005531I mean, he's literally the Heavy (TF2) so
>>545005819save the copper for a different design desu.
>>545005819I don't care much for the cop design, considering literally only one of his abilities matches it. The rest is all arcane Witch Hunter abilities and I feel he should lean more towards that.Give him his god damn cape.
>>545005531>>545038192>it costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this cop... for twelve seconds
GET BEHIND ME DETECTIVE!
>>545039826YEAH!
How do I stop being shit and get out of Seeker
>>545036079it was a decent video however i think it is too soon to be doing these because the game is not even out yet.also i liked the dota2 guy even though i havent played dota2 in a decade.
>>545039893the pain will be worth it!
>>545038054Im nta, just mocking you for being a ridiculous person
>>545040030desu just play more
full contact lash ivy sex
>>545040030I got out of seeker and I want to go back.Even at only Archon every game is a massive sweat-fest and yet there are no fewer retards. They're just sweaty retards.I want to go back to my fun Seeker matches.No wonder all the Eternus players smurf 24/7...
>>545040619*stone forms*
>>545030192this is a bad thing btw.
>Made a calico (And as a result, their whole team) crashout and leave the gamePeople seriously under-estimate the effect of fucking with the enemy mental.
at some point knockdown will cause kelvin to fall through his ice path so he can actually be punished for playing like a faggot retard
>>545040619lash is gay?
>>545041741lash is the only character to hit on women in his dialogue, at worst he sees every being besides vyper as potential sexual conquest
>>545040030just spam kelvin for a bit, nothing wrong with it to get to a rank with humans.
>>544992871what the fuck? it's actually pretty good
how do you change the colour of the creeps
>>544986883The game is balenced around everyone buying reactive barrier
>>545041263wish they'd at least fix it for other players.trying to walk on that shit causes me to randomly fall through it like 3/5ths of the time.this character is so stupidly buggy i'm impressed the compfags don't just have him permabanned until they fix his ult pushing people under the ground.
Soooo...Vyper?
>>545043185Busy SAing Paige
inhouse doko
>>545043337I still refuse to believe that Valve gave us an anthro scalie female recidivist rapist as a playable hero
Institutionalize everyone who downplays Shiv.
>>545044994remember when melee shiv just boughted debuff resist and the parry stun was like .1 second? that was the worst patch ever
>>544980045>>544992871*blocks your path*
>>545044994mina and shiv are two heroes that will always have a low winrate since they do not belong to the hypercarry or cc classThey will always feel shit to play into especially in low numbers fights, but they will have countless downplayers and contrarians because matchmaking and the retards who play them just can’t utilize their kit to win (only to statpas)
finally starting to be through with deadlockthe game soloq is shit
>>545044994I agre->paige playerget fucked monkey
>>545044994I just cant take shiv seethers seriously when they cry about his execute but not the thing that actually makes him op, blood letting
>>545044994>letting lash get fucking 52k damage in the big november 2025holy fucking shit. their entire team is spirit and i can guess there was next to no spirit resist bought
>>545045402Forgot pic big oof
>>545045147Melee shiv might've been the worst meta in the game's history. That ape could dive you under tower, get stunned under tower, get parried under tower and still kill you and the two people who showed up to kill him. It was so retarded
>>545047195>>545047195>>545047195>>545047195
>>545044994>Paige>Stats>Yamato modPost the match ID
>>54504872946395033
>>545043475I'm sayin. In house doko
>>545046907and people called me retarded for sayign that this was unbalanced because "you can just buy antiheal lmao"
>>545018660wrong
