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>>546308285>face tracker in two weeks edition
>no mention of lighthouse compatibilityhope you enjoy your $1000 paperweights, no refunds btw
I'm legitimately sad because of valve announcing how shit the steam frame is and ending index controllers.
>>546308557>>546308629t. bigshit beyond poo buyers remorse
this is all just preamble to 2028 when they release Full-life and steamOS for PC and gabe gets his big meaty claws around bill gates pencil necktotal gabe supremacy
Stop playing vr chat. Lavender is better.
The steam frame looks like an excellent well polished 2023 headset.
wish they released lighthouse version of the new controllersstuck with cuckles forever
When I purchased my quest pro sometime last year (600€, ~700$), I thought I would regret it. I thought the Deckard would drop and I'd kick myself to see it have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless. I was honestly so ready to cry, shelf my qpro and just drop another 1,000$ straight up.Today, I feel nothing. This headset is junk meant for a target market that will use VR once and then throw it into the cupboard. I know a bunch of tech enthusiast irl from work and similar who have VR headsets and they treat it like that. They wear it maybe three times a year. That's your target market, not the daily driver AGP vrtroons (me).Gaben is a nigger and I cast myocarditis upon him, he can go join Jelly in the pearly gates. Fucking TRASH.
>>546308940Would be nice actually, but it would require a complete redesign.
I don't mind lack of face tracking because nobody even looks at me and i wear my anxiety mental breakdown on my face 24/7 anyway>>546308557on one hand i don't have to have a panic attack wondering if they're going to have blinking red light of death every time i get on vr, on the other thyre going to be obsolete. man, dont even get me started if they start no longer selling index cables. thts my biggest fear. i can maybe get out 2 more years of my current one but who knows how much they'll go for offmarket. too grim to think about
Meanwhile me here still waiting for Shitfall Flip controllers
>>546308965>have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wirelessYou should have paid attention to the leaks instead of expecting fantasy shit. But I supposed living in a fantasy land of delusion is par for the course for trannies.
>D and S made a bet a year ago if SteamFrame was releasing in 2025 or 2026>loser has to suck the others real cockOh S oh dear lol!!!!
>>546309141Who?
>>546308452I wonder if you can still play PCVR only worlds on a frame headset? Wonder how that's going to work out.
Thanks for coming to photos! Use this as an anchor post.
>>546309087how dare I dream of a product to actually have features i want
>>546309282Playing standalone on Frame is just playing your Steam library, so you'd just launch the PC version of the game
>>546309363
No direct Displayport is a dealbraker to me, I mainly bought VR for racing games, where I'd rather just plug the headset in
Gamer's Nexus' video has a shot of the Steamlink debug graph, showing a latency of about 12ms. The best I've ever seen anyone get is about 20ms, with 30ms being more common, so 10-20ms improvement over your average Quest 3 experience probably.Elsewhere they list numbers as low as 8ms end-to-end, which probably doesn't take the game render time and such into consideration.Might actually be acceptably low>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ
>>546309781ah yes no no no i dont want 2ms latency wireless i want to be cabled to a pc with the same latency.you people gotta be retarded it has the same update rate as an index
Can't wait for people to buy the Frame + cube, launch a PCVR game on the cube and cry that PCVR games in 4k run badly on an RX 7400
I'm fucking glad volvo didn't listen to any of you retards, I don't wanna pay $2k for a headset. >>546309937no no no you don't get it he's a pro racing driver he can't use foveated streaming because his eyes simply move too fast for the tracking to keep up
>>546309937I'm sitting down, I don't need to use wireless and use the battery. I'll use wireless for games where I'm actually moving around.
>>546309937Zoomzoom babies cry whenever they see a power cable, rather strap 30 pounds of batteries to some part of their body (and run a cable anyways)
>>546310171ah yes ofcourse how could i be such an idiot... i forgot everyone here is fucking max verstappen lmao
>>546309937>>546310171>samefagging this hard just because someone wants a feature present on pretty much every other headset
>>546308965i would have been happy with an oled index
95% of you niggas sit down or stand still 24/7 anyway wtf do you care if there is a cable it aint like you're moving around
>>546308965>When I purchased my quest proSorry bro you got scammed but in the other direction. Enjoy the facetracking at the cost of every bit of QOL being sucked away from you by your hardware being zuckshit.
for me? it's a lightweight tethered headsetgonna get a real racing seat and recline very much
>>546310685Troons coping about their $1000 troony trackers setup being obsolete
Alright give it to me straight then.I'm still on an OG vive cause I missed the index bus and didn't want to commit to the frankenzucc setup in the hope Valve wouldn't be shit.Now that it's looking pretty confirmed dogshit, what's the best option? How much of a hassle is it to make quest pro (or whatevers best from questoids now with FT/fingers I didnt pay attention) play nice with PCVR wirelessly? Is the bigmeme 2 (RMA lottery lmao) any better in comparison? How grim is it looking?I need other people who have actually owned these things to feed me opinions.DON'T IGNORE ME I NEED ANSWERS
>>546310971bad bait there's not even a tracker alternative
>>546311003>I'm still on an OG vivehow have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaohget an index man, surely some retard will be selling one used thinking the new garbage will be good (it won't be good)
>>546311028https://www.amazon.com/Vive-Ultimate-Tracker-Dongle-Full-Body-Tracking/dp/B0CQPQ659X
>>546311121>Ultimate-Tracker>i/o camera slopno thanks? this shit is way overpriced?at least post fluxes oh wait you can't buy them because they don't exist
>>546311003bsb2 nowor wait and see if pimax dream air SE is a scamor wait until frame comes out
>>546311003are you retarded? are you just taking posts of /vrg/ shitposters at face value without doing literally any research of your own?kill yourself, unironically
>>546309363Bird, my only good photo got ruined by an accidental filter fml
>>546311215>slop
>>546311403your post is lazy repostslop and your idea of what makes a good headset and tracker setup is current-thingslop
>>546311003Im on a CV1 and genuinely considering a frame. Even if the specs are outdated its still gonna be double my current resolution.I would wait for the price, if its competetive then it might really not be so bad as a CV1/vive upgrade.
>>546311028Erm no you can use the slimes the ULTIMATE vive trackers (they are called this because they actually work better than the flawless 3.0s) or even xbox kinect and play station move.So, actually, there are MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking.Moreover, when Fluxpose is released we will have an even BETTER option because it certainly wont be another in a long line of disappointments.
>>546309363>>546311275
>>546311116>how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaohGabe refused to sell the index to me until it was already ancient>>546311226No more waiting I need it NOW>>546311263God forbid I fucking ask for the opinions of real anons instead of 'researching' paid advertisement review shillposts from people who know they can't say mean things if they want to continue getting review shit before release and only use the headset for maybe 10-20 hours before doing their writeup and never touching it again unironically kill yourself.
>>546311476Nice non-opinion postslop
>>546309363>>546311546
>>546311504>MANY alternatives to lighthouse trackingI will concede on this point but not on the idea that any of them are better.
>tfw can't even max EA WRC settings with Viveis higher resolution even good if you have to lower settings
It's fucking over
>>546311618ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at allyou either have been here less than a week or have genuine brain damage
Alright vrgI lurk here most of the time but for now I want to get the dedicated opinions of only the most enthusiast of the marketWe're going to be developing a Steam Frame Pro, but we're still trying to figure out what features and upgrades to add to it over the Frame VanillaWhat do you guys want?
>>546311894But anon, just think, you can play flat games with your vr headset!!! It will be like a steam deck on your face!!Just imagine, you can now have a vastly inferior and more uncomfortable experience with inferior controllers for just a few hundred dollars!
>>546311003Index is an alright upgrade if you can get it at a decent price (don't let index users meme you into paying $1k for a 5yo headset)BSB is fine too but thats still a $1000 headset + cost of knuckles and base stations>Qpro meme in 2025lolIf you care about FBT/Finger tracking Index is an obvious choice and if you want wireless get a Q3S and slap an extra tracker on it and you're golden. If you want face tracking too Frame is probably gonna be your best bet + better latency compared to Q3S.
>>546311003The real answer is to buy an extra tundra or 3.0 for whatever Black Friday sale they have and wait and see. They keep their value pretty well so you have nothing to lose especially if you are already in the base station ecosystem.
>>546311894waggleslop is overreclinechads won
>>546311841No one can max it out in VR, i'm running low-medium on 3080ti. Even if you'll manage to get good framerate in a specific scenario, two things will happen>it'll run like shit in different weather/location anyway>visually, you'll probably benefit more from no AA + high res + downsampling than you did from max detailsdon't bother, low details gaming
>>546311226>pimax dream air SEThe name could be longer
>>546311003The bigshit 2e has been good to me, even got lucky on the RMAs so far. With the price you pay you at least get top-tier support, they'll redo face gaskets/send free cables/rma basically anything.
>>546311546I need chiffon K to step on me.
>>546308859that'll be $999.99
>>546311902>ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at allLess so than reviewniggers retard>less than a weekDid you miss the part where I have an OG vive? Been here since the start bro...>>546312086quest shits out so many versions idk which is the one everyone uses for face tracking i really want face tracking and dont really want to cope on frame getting an add on in 2 more weeks>>546312093was going to need to buy them anyway cause i only have 2.0s (formerly 1.0s until they ran out of battery life)>>546312225whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?
>>546309363>Don't you believe in fairies?
>>546312412Steam Frame getting a mouth tracking addon is inevitable don't let some retarded anons try to tell you otherwise. If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.
>>546312225>whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?likely depends on where you live but from their warehouse in LA to Colorado and back took about 2mikuwikus
>>546311961OLEDHuman FOVDiopter adjustmentDisplayport60 GHz wireless with a powerful decoder for non-compression wirelessFull color passthroughFace trackingHand trackingShitfall Flip style controllers with Quest Pro 360 degree tracking, finger tracking and PS5 style adaptive triggersAnd most importantly, new games
>>546312086>>546311003you can buy an index cheap af from tundraget it while you can because it will probably go up since there is zero fresh supplyindex controllers are the undisputed goat>>546312412>i really want face trackingyour options are quest pro or some home bullshit
NA anime tonight at 10 pm est in vrchathttps://rentry.org/i3t5ozt8/Azumanga - 19Azumanga - 20Alma-chan - 06Kaken Rider Naritai - 06IS - 06Will post instance link when it's up. You can wait until 11 to join to skip azumanga
>>546312728>Full color passthroughi do not understand why anyone cares about this
this is gonna be the SoC thats gonna run your frame
>>546311003I think Frame has a good chance of being a decent headset, if display won't be shit and latency will be handled well (everything so far suggests they did some autism in that direction), this might be a solid Index 2, assuming it won't cost rumored $1200. But if you want BSB2, I have one and honestly I can recommend it despite shitting on it in thread so much. It's crazy light, image is crazy sharp, software is decent, customer service seems to be fast though it's a fucking discord channel and because of that i feel like i'm not being taken seriously, but that's a pet peeve, I had no rma-tier hardware issues so far, and they send new gaskets on request even if you're unsure if you need one. It's overpriced, it's ridden with various small downsides, but if I could turn back time, I'd buy it again.But don't despair on Frame just yet, wait for emotions to cool down and for proper opinions to form. This really seems like a potentially decent device to me.
>>546311961Index but smaller and everything doesn't break after a year of use
>>546310685I haven't touched my turning joystick in over a year. It feels like I'm driving a fucking tank unless I turn around physically.
>>546312917I want to chill in my comfy armchair next to my comfy fireplace and play some flat game in VR while seeing my surroundings
>>546311961lighthouse faceplate, face tracker, eye tracking including eyelids and eyebrows, maybe oled if display turns out to be meh.
>>546312617>If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.2nd class citizen lmao
>>546312917Nobody cares about this.
>>546310685I hate tripping over the cable when I try to move around. Even when I'm sitting down I hate keeping track of where my cable is so I don't accidentally yank it when I move my chair.
i want to play pavlov
>>546313089freak
>>546313261skill issue....
Basically a good headset if you play VR games wirelessly. Thanks gaben.
>>546313491great news for the 5% of people who play vr games!i bet they can't wait for all the exciting new releases like... asseto corsa and pavlov?
https://youtu.be/8x49XBlrBz0?t=2085At least it sounds like we can still flip people off
Woo! Finally, the Quest 2.5!
>>546313640/vg/ - Video Game Generals
Where's ShillSeeker's video?
>>546313640The people who give a shit about wired headsets and latency are a minority of autists. Most people don't find 0.00001ms of latency completely unplayable believe it or not.
>>546312917It's a quality of life feature. Much nicer than peeking through the nose gap or having to take off the headset for something minor like finding your drink or pouring another one.
>>546313803Uninvited>>546314345Grayscale passthrough has been enough for me in these use cases
atleast it has an NPU so we can run AI on it
>>546314030so are people who give a shit about vr periodi do want a wireless headset but i also want an enthusiast headset if i wanted some middle of the road thing then i would get a quest because that will always be the cheapest optionwhat we got was an expensive, but good, quest and while it is a good quest it is still a quest
>>546314552>UninvitedGood riddance.
>>546309363Two anons about to move to gensokyo
You think we'll have a big influx of newfags after the Frame releases or just a few here and there trickling in?
>>546314742There's already the Play for Dream for enthusiasts.
R.E.P.O. has a VR mod and is currently on sale!I have to try it out first but if it works fine I will host it soon during EU times. (9pm-12pm CET ~ish) get it NOWNOWNWONWOWNW
>>546315554>wirelessslop>XR/MR not VR>chynadogshit peddled by people seeking display resolution at the cost of literally everything else i guess
>>546315534in the thread yesin instances no
>>546315534Can't be worse than Quest 2 release
>>546315724just say you're too poor
>>546315534depends on if the Gabecube releases same time or not imoif the gabecube releases same day maybe less people will be interested in the FrameI was able to get deck oled special edition on launch easily enoughworried scalpers will tear through this shit even though no one likes VR
>>5463158360.5RMB deposited into your WeChat Pay account!
>>546315534Really doubt Frame will get any mainstream appeal, it does nothing special, nothing grand, aside of yet another attempt of selling steam machines. Quest does most of the stuff Frame does, so if someone would be interested in what Frame offers, he'd already have a Quest. Sure, it probably does many things better, and PC flat gaming gimmick is nothing to scoff at, but imo this entire "steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe. Normies will hear linux and run the fuck away, PC vidya enthusiasts already have a device that outperforms gabecube, VR enthusiasts already have a headset.
>>546315965you can have it back, you need it more than me.
will they call the launch title alyx 2 or HL3?
im convinced people are just shitting on the frame to ensure they can buy one on release lmaoyou people wouldnt know the best vr headset if it shat down your throat.
>>546309403This but unironic
>>546316048>Full-life
>>546316080It's literally just a sidegrade to the quest 3 dude, get over yourself.
>>546316013the Frame™®© ended flat gaming
>>546316080The index is the best vr headset.We prayed for better.GabeN did not answer.
>>546316048There is no launch title they said there will be no new first party vr games. They are all in on flat game streaming.
>>546316149ah yes an upgrade in every single possible way to any vr headset on the market is a sidegrade..
>>546311961stick with the light house trackingoled screen setup the screen autists suggesteye tracking with eyebrow upperface trackinglower face tracking with the tongue tracking like vive / project babblefinger tracking fbt hip, feet pucks includedwe literally just want an index 2.0 that uses light houseslet me repeat that A BETTER INDEXOLED SCREENSFACE TRACKINGWITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BESTPARTS THAT DONT BREAKCONTROLLER FINGER TRACKING LIKE INDEX CONTROLLERSFBT INCLUDED not a single person who knows anything about PC VR will be able in good conscious to suggest anything else if that's the package of the index 2. i dont give a single fuck about pass through i dont know why people want that if you need to sacrifice that for all of the above no actual VR PC hardcore gamer will care
>>546316367lmao.
>missed over 1200 posts while at workwelp something happened for sureis there a tl;dr summary so far of whats been found out?
>>546316451I could build this but I wouldn't have a clue what to do on the software side
>>546316451sorry chud, enjoy your tracking drift and playspace calibration!
>>546316606just go on the steam store and read nigga
>>546316013>"steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joethe average joe is going extinct. people are increasingly turning to vidya because real life increasingly sucks
>>546316606Valve announced new hardware first time in 4 years
>>546316606tldr hold on to your index and take care of it because there's not going to be anything better for another 10 years
>>546311961Literally just an Index with OLED.
>>546316261>oculus quest>but 2026Ok...
>>546316606Valve announced deckardValve killed pcvrThere is a new steam controller
>>546316710hehe 2 year old index cable go crackle crackle pop!
>>546316327they said theyre not developing any (because HL3 is already finished)
>>546316806>Valve killed pcvrYou can't kill what's already dead
>>546316606quest 2.5: Linux edition is coming out
>>546316813the fuck did you do to yours, get it stuck in your chair's wheels and torture it?some people
>>546316813I just bought 2 cables lol
>>546316451>WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BESTFUCKING THIS LET ME TURN MY FUCKING LIGHTS OFF IN MY ROOM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>546316980could've spent that money towards a better headset
>>546316813Just got a new one and have 4 more on the way. when I saw the announcement and details I immediately ordered thousands of dollars worth of index equipment with the money I was saving hoping the deckard would be good, 4 more lighthouses and 6 more cables as backups as well as 3 pairs of knuckles.
>>546317071Yeah like the [future space to be filled]
I have literally shat on every single headset since the index.bigshit beyond is awful and will die on you from sweating and youll be stuck with discord server support. oh and $1800 for just the headset oh and no real eye tracking or ftqpro is literally a quest 2 with ft +100 pixels lmaoframe has literally everything we asked for and more -ft on release which is so obviously gonna be an addon.and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate and the one leg up they did have (update frequency) is shat on by frame also..ts has fully convinced me that you guys are worse at judging headsets than shillseeker dude actual braindead dribbling retards in this thread.
>>546316619build it and let the devs come to you to make the software!
>>546317121
>>546313803He’s been crying about it in his discord
>>546317263qpro oled is nice but the headset isn't great overall
>>546317263it's gonna be $800 for a LCD headset that has black and white passthrough
this pretty much confirms there is no valve-made VorpX thing coming with the Frame huh?Those "leaks" about multi-tiered "verified for frame, frame+3d, full VR" was just someone memeing all alongI know it says they're expanding the "verified" store tags, but if you could play Hades2 in 3D they probably would've advertised that
>>546317263>no real eye tracking or ftwhats the fucking point lmao, who keeps making these PCVR headsets without the full suite of goonertech in nearly 2026?>m-muh racing gamesnoones buying a big meme just for assetto
>>546317121can i tap tap an extra one ill pay you 50 for it
>>546317263no oled, inside out only, shitty looking controller design, lmao. "Everything we asked for and more" my ass
>>546317263>frame has literally everything we asked for>weI asked for lighthouses, cables, and double/treble the resolution. Not a minor resolution upgrade, standalone hardware (I don't need standalone, this needlessly inflates cost), and FORCED WIRELESS
>>546316451btw Anything less than this means your ideal target user "hardcore PC VR gamer" is going to hybridize whatever you give them in order to fix any of those deficiencies your hardcore pc vr gamer almost 95% of the time also plays vrchat which means they have light houses and htey will be wearing light house tracked FBT even if you make a headset that doesn't use light houses, like the light houses will be a part of the setup regardless unless you deliver some kind of full body FBT with the Frame Pro that is better than light house FBT
im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc... maybe there will be an addon for rear tracking...
If you just want to play vr games then there hasn't been any reason to upgrade your headset for years and there still isn't. You can be using a fucking vive and get the same experience.
>>546317397>>546317446oh yeah mb i forgot no oled on frame but we'll see what they did with the lcd when it releases fully
>>546317263There's too many people here with too many different desires for VR. It was always going to make some of them seethe.
>>546317263>and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurateShove a rusty spike up your ass I want to play with lights off
>>546317515sorry I plan to use all I bought for the next few decades, and any extra i'm saving to sell once production of the parts ends and the aftermarket price skyrockets.
>>546317647Frame works in the dark
>>546317681Please sir....just snip off the ends a touch and i'll satisfy myself with just the bits....
>>546317397Controllers were also good because they had baseless 360 degree tracking, but they ate through batteries pretty quickly
>>546317121kek
>>546317519>>546317585>>546317647please read actual fucking research before opening your fat fucking slobbering mouth downy
>>546317696proof: ...
>>546317397quest pro doesnt have oled
>>546317607>will be good enough to not have to trex in vrchahahaha the controllers don't have cameras haha have fun holding your hands in front of your face
>>546317263>bigshit beyondstopped reading there
>>546317843>im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trexWhat is trex?
>>546317263>no real eye tracking or ftnigga never heard of baballonia
>>546317263if that's all true then the Pro just needs OLED screens and a FBT solution that can do 5 point and 9 point and that's it PCVR secured mission accomplished
>>546317810whatever you say, 3 pointer.
>saves Steam Framenothing personnel, kid
>>546317824
>>5463179403 pointer pose, standing with your hands in front of you to make sure they are in camera view.
>>546317810>accuracy and precision>system that misreads things sometimes vs system that just makes shit up as it goes alongare you kidding yourself shitzlo
>>546317996read it, retardhttps://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3463914.3463921
How will calibrating to basestations work? Those cameras might be able to detect the light from the basestation and auto calibrate, which would be nice but i doubt that it will do that by default. I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...
>>546318147>when brad said the deckard IS the lighthouse he was just creaming his pants over thislollmao
>>546318246>I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...I have bad news...
>>546318246>How will calibrating to basestations workIt won't
>>546316261it's greatexactly what I was hoping fora lot of people just had nitpicky unrealistic expectations
What's the current ultimate "i live in the matrix" hardcore PCVR hybrid setup?Quest 3 + babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?right?Frame Pro just needs to be that. minus the extra trackers other than feet and hip.
>>546318246anon...
>>546318376>hardcore PCVRthe ind->hybridHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA
>>546317824it has ir trackers.>>546317843the controllers have built in imu's>>546317967babble is just as compatible with the frame retard>>546317996ive had trackers for like 8 years and used both mixed and not mixed. mixed is more of a pain obviously but eh>>546318170you are talking about the quest. noteably not the frame..
>>546318370>Unrealistic expectationsUnrealistic expectations like having features that have existed on other headsets for half a decade
>>546318452>babble is just as compatible with the frame retardwhere did I say it wasn't jackass?
>>546318452>the controllers have built in imu's>the controllers will drift themselves to the floor and need fixing every 10 minutesgreat to hear, thanks
>>546318107what was the deal with these thingslast i heard it was still "too good to be true"
>>546318527magnets.
>>546318246Did you miss the memo? Base station tracking is DEAD. Get with the times. Yes, it worked flawlessly. Yes, it was easy to set up. Yes, it will still be necessary for FBT. However, none of that is important because, while it was easy, setting it up was like just totally too much work and inside out tracking works almost as well if you ignore all the problems.
>>546318527the deal with them is that they sound good but aren't out yet and thus need to be treated as fake until they come out and get real testing.Their announcement/website boasts about having 12 WHOLE BETA TESTERS, for context.
>>546318527the deal is that they don't exist and you only have the word of the developer and his friends that they're as good as they say, you can't buy them because they don't exist and what you do get in 5 years when they're available will be inferior as a commercial product compared to whatever black magic prototypes they made to sell them
>>546318523you are comparing shitty company or diy to valve.also its not its sole tracking method its additional to the headset tracking them
>>546318523>fixing them requires them being in view of the HMD for less than a secondsame shit happens on Q3 without the IMU's.even if the IMU's somehow made it worse it would fix itself whenever you move your hand in front of you?
I hope there's a way for the new Steam Frame controllers to be used with multiple headsets if they're running Steam OS. I would like a new standard for slam controllers.
>>546318107Hope this has no major downsides. An alternative to lighthouses is good for FBT in VR long term.>>546318527They're releasing a kickstarter this month, if they're not faking faggots they'll send out some units to VR shills for further testing.
>>546318703>>546318690If only there was a solution that valve already knew how to do that removed this issue entirely...
>>546318784>Hope this has no major downsides.just don't live in a place full of rebar wire
>>54631837611 pt tracking + vrgloves+ everything else you mentioned
>>546318802grrr i hate when technology advances!!
>>546318829>just don't live in a place full of rebar>2 of my walls are concrete with rebar in them>massive metal ventilation shaft in the ceilingit's so fucking over for me
>>546318927Advancing is when we create problems that didn't exist for no upside other than the manufacturer's bottom line :)
>>546318927I love when it goes backwards
>>546318952just keep a good coronavirus distance of like 2m from the wall!
So what are the chances it will be available for purchase this year?
lol at linus stopping to call out the tranny in the room for not answering his questions enough
>>5463190500%they literally said early 2026
>>546319014The room is 3.5m across by like 10m long I don't think this is possible
>>546319050they said early 2026 in the announcement video retard
>>546319050Zero, they already said q1 2026
>>546318802it would be nice if it worked with lighthouses in addition to slammaybe since it has an expansion port someone could make a 3rd party lighthouse faceplate like pimax uses on their new headsetsobvious why valve wouldn't go lighthouse only if this thing is meant to be used on your couch/friends house/the bus/outside
>>546318976ah yes the headset thats been in development for 6 years is going to have issues tracking the controllers... dribbler.
FUCK lighthouses, FUCK screwing shit to your walls, FUCK the room setup app which is the worst playspace calibrating piece of shit of all time, SLAM is the future
If money isn't a factor, why would you buy a Steam Frame over a Galaxy XR?
>>546319242>thing that isn't out yet that uses technology that has issues definitely magically fixed the problems, buy it now chud
>>546319148the gaming hallway...
>>546319194>the busgreat way to get mugged if you live in nogistan
>>546319335yea ok calm down zuckerberg
I wish the future had more games
that smol dog big dog r*ddit meme but it's about tough lighthouse chads using a handheld drill and standalone cucks being scared to install anything
>>546319370to use Linux instead of Android (Linux but less cool)
>>546319335>FUCK screwing shit to your wallsfound the real poor, renting somewhere they can't modify
>>546319370i dont wear pants when i play vr so i have nowhere to put the battery in
>>546319370Galaxy XR is unibody so I'm choosing steam frame
>>546319418I hope future games are hardware prohibitive to participate in for penniless children and brown majority nations.
>>546319335this nigga got filtered by the room setup process lmaojust click 4 times in advanced mode my nigga!
>>546319335>put base station on a shelf>do room setup once>never touch it for 2 yearswaou so hard
>>546319501sure you do!
>>546319536sorry anon we need everything to cater to the lowest common denominator now to maximize shareholder valuethat means selling out your hobby and your country to retarded, sub-80-iq, barely-human third world shitskinsbeen this way for almost 20 years now
lighthouse cucks not being able to piss and shit while staying immersed with fbt on
>>546319654imagine the smell of anon's hardware...
Reminder that you don't NEED to drill anything to use lighthouse trackers, you just need to have a sense of ingenuity and a high IQ
>>546319370Because I can buy a PSVR2 headset and then do this >>546318376>+ babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?Just give me index 2.0 with OLED screens that has eye tracking and a built in babble project lower face trackeryes i want light house tracking with thatI'd buy it even if it's still wired.
>>546319398something dystopic about not having your own transportation and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
Wait what's the point of advertising a vr headset as a device to play flat games on? Does valve think there's a target demographic that wants this?If a subset of people who play flat only do buy it, it's possible they could be converted to vr and revitalize vr gaming, but I really don't see flat gamers buying a headset unless the headset offers something valuable to them in flat gaming. Maybe for people who travel frequently and don't want to lug a high refresh rate monitor around? But thats what laptops are for. So what's the point?
I just want a bigshit beyond with eye tracking, passthrough, and oculus controllers
Quest 3 is to Frame what Switch was to the Steam Deck. I can literally see people buy this just for discord movie watching togheter and using on airplanes, when traveling and such. Movie watching machine and play console ports.No LH tracking is pretty bad, Valve abandoning it means no big company is standing behind LH, wich was an open standard that anyone could make hardware for. I hoped the Valve frame would be LH playspace/SteamVR native since Index was such a good FBT experience.Still gonna buy it because I'm a sucker kek, but I hope it's better then the Quest/SteamVR hybrid that sucks ass.
>>546319910>something dystopic about not having your own transportationThat's what I'm saying, transit enthusiasts will tell me it's better and then sit down next to a drug-addled criminal like it's not a problem
>>546319654>i can poo while still in VR!>I can cheers kippis kanpai drink alcohol and hit my bong while using my color pass through!obese slop cattle moment
>>546319924I mean one of the end-games of HMDs is replacing monitors entirely. This thing is still too chonky for that though
>investigating potential web domain>they make software for the shipping industryI laughed
>>546319910>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your viewAR glasses for this feel when, Zucc?
>>546319654When I lived in a dorm room at school, one of my base stations was able to see into my bathroom, and my index cable was just long enough for a comfortable sit on the toilet actually, and you better believe a weird guy who was into feet convinced me to wear the headset into there once when I was drunk.
>>546320102you're okay with lighthouses because you spend all your time sitting on your ass you projecting obese cunt
>>546319536Ok Randy Pitchford
>>546320102drunkniggers that belong nowhere near VR have to be 95% of the market for wireless slop I swear to god
>>546320049I agree with yaI could maybe see using it on a plane, but even then I wouldn't feel comfortable with no passthru>>546320254AI powered filters that turn nogs into anime girls (white) when?
>>546319924Every single VR company is pursuing this demographic which doesn't exist outside of their fantasies and it's the people who will "casually" play vr. They have this idea that people will just throw the headset on and play it like candy crush except they apparently don't understand that wearing vr sucks and normal people do not want to do it. It's the same reason so much shit gets released with pitiful battery life and no easy way to swap the batteries; they apparently don't know people play games in long blocks and not 20 minute bursts even though this is true of pc gamers, console gamers, vr gamers, and even fucking mobile gamers.
>>546320254>hide the black people on the bus from your viewSounds dangerous. We need is the opposite. A 'Never Relax' app that monitors and alerts you to the movement of melinated individuals so you don't have to be on guard all the time.
>using VR on a planebro your book / audiobook / handheld game / inflight movie??VR would be so cringe in public
I don't want lighthouses because they make noise + are just another thing to break + I want to be able to take the headset to another room or my friend's house. Just make Quest Pro controllers + HTC Ultimate Trackers, but good and without spyware, thanks.
>>546320747>tomorrow nightyou mean tonight right, S? I'll be there hopefully someone else will be a kind anon and join the two of us
>>546320641>20 minute burstsphonetards....
>>546320713>giving a shit what other people do on a plane as long as they don't stink/yellI'd be fine with everyone in cattle class wearing a feed bag and blinder shades.
>>546320135That end game won't happen until wireless is somehow able to introduce no extra latency, and no visual artifacts. Either that, or the phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough for them to see a standalone mini pc hmd as a better choice. I think zoomers and alphas don't have computers nearly as much as we all did since they cope and claim their phones do just as much.>>546320641This is why I bought a bsb2e as soon as they announced it. No one else realizes that the demographic to value is us.
>>546320741>because they make noisevalid>thing to breakthousands of hours here with zero issues
Running Pacific Coast Highway in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM ET (in ~30m).Car list is in pic related.Mods are below and the server is up if you want to test anything.server: vrg racingpass: tfwnodriftfuvoice chat (mumble): voice.vrg.partymods: https://mega.nz/folder/xN4EGDiC#cvLFrD3kTpS_8pU7eNVvPwStill thinking of trying to run an actual race next week if there's enough interest, so if you'd be interested, just reply.>>546320823Yeah, messed up the copy paste since I was in a hurry.
>>546318690SAAR YOU ARE COMPARE SHITY COMPANY TO BRAHMIN VALVE SAARlmao nigga it's gonna be fucking trash
>>546319924I know some people who really want this actually, to be able to virtually have more displays, or move to the couch on a wireless setup.Lots of less demanding games like mmos run pretty well on the deck, so a deck-like setup than can also do some light VR on its own has some appeal.
>>546320886>phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enoughThis is already the de-facto state of things anon. "normal people" don't touch a computer ever unless it relates to their job or they're into PCs for another reason.
>>546320958I'll show up for next week's race but i'm the guy who will probably show up anyway. No one cares about assetto anymore...racism is declining...no doubt we'll be drowned out by Slop Frame discussion...
>>546320949>>546320741>they make noiseI've never noticed.
>>546319910>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your viewThis is an awful idea that totally disrespects to golden rule>Around blacks, never relax
>noiseyour foam tip IEMs that take 2 minutes to put in?
>>546321152they make a tiny but of noise when spinning up fully but it's always drowned out for my by my turbine engine of a PC and my box fan and the cooling fan on my index
>>546311961Make an XR except with less retarded software and hardware decisions. I'm jealous of the Frame's design because it was clearly made by someone who wears a VR headset a lot and realized that moving the battery to the back was a great idea.
>>546321152They only make noise when they're running and it's quieter than a cooling fan. It becomes white noise pretty much, you're not going to hear it but for if you sleep in the same room and leave them on standby.
>>546319501up your ass
>>546321059good, give the internet back to the autistswe deserve to have our own nation state where we aren't being persecuted again.>>546321043inb4 fearmongering articles popping up in the media about a new wave of young people with bedsores due to gaming in bed with a deckard
>>546321246I would never be around blacks to begin with (or on a bus)sorry for the naivety
>>546318646>>546318246Base stations are dead cause niggas don know how to mount things on dey walls n sheit
>>546321356Making a mount for an external battery was the standard for everyone that used a quest..The Steam Frame is literally just a quest with different internals.Which is good, but it's not the second coming or anything.
>>546321152It's not terrible but easily audible
>>546321420>give the internet back to the autistsAgree but never going to happen. 20 years ago the internet was 90% white with a strong standout minority of japanese. Everyone else was guaranteed to be technically minded as an "early adopter" from wherever they were from.Phones, ads, profit-seeking all ruined the internet. Indians. Niggers. Chinese. Normalfaggots. It's all gone.
>>546316013The average person does not know you can use a Quest for PCVR because Meta doesn't advertise it as such.
>>546319335>FUCK screwing shit to your wallsbuy a tripod retard
>>546319581Do you not ever clean the dust off your shelves?
>>546321554the lighthouse noise genuinely drives me nuts when i don't have music i have no idea how people just leave their base stations on all the timeyet despite that i wish the frame was lighthouse tracked
>>546321787don't watch the news? White people don't clean/lawncare. We have illegal slave labor for that.
>>546321585This is one of the reasons I still like vrchat, the barrier to entry is still high enough and niche enough to keep it closer to the internet of old in so far as it can be
>>546321919>i like a free pointless avatar chatroom because the barrier to entry is so highThe fuck are you talking about? There's a reason it's packed with children and pedophiles.
>>546319764So... a beyond 2e
>>546322046t. tourist that only goes to public slop
>>546321882Can I legally beat the Mexican cleaning my house if he moves my base station even by a milimeter during cleaning?
>>546322051except not made by indians
>>546321919Having a desktop PC is not a high barrier to entry. The stigma around VRC is a much better normoid deterrent
>>546322092>beat themYou just call ICE on them and they beat them for you. No joke. Then you go find another one.>>546322087>doesn't refute it's just a glorified chatroomk
>>546322087no he's right, if the 'public' space of your platform is so diseased you need to escape from it to private spaces then you objectively lost.It's like whites running from the cities to go live in the suburbs (a.k.a. refugee camps for white people). VRChatters are already in their digital refugee camps hiding away from tdaniggers and quest kids.
>>546322092>moves my base station even by a milimeterthis shit makes no difference base stations are so good they simply deal with it i used to move mine all the time before i had a better playspace and i never had to do room setup
any simfags with eye tracked headset have a perspective on how much performance gain from foveated rendering/encoding?I've watched a couple videos but the guy running the benchmarks was using a pimax at 6k or some shit so he went from like 24fps to 32fps in MSFS24
>>546322269every day i get closer to advocating for mass killings
>>546322462It's too late for that anon, far too late
>>546322748fuck this gay earth
Frame fags will never know this kino
>>546323245how much is a quest + accessories vs just a Meme Frame?
>>546323349Don't bother. New quest is objectively worse than initial quest.
>Another Maruitania match lost as attackers even while topping the scoreboard for my teamYippee
>>546264632>I'd like it if there was a full body striking game, like Thrill of the fight but for karate, kickboxing, TKD, etc. Would be really coolI think this game has fbthttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1481780/Dragon_Fist_VR_Kung_Fu/
>>546323557and meme frame is worse than index, answer the question
>>546320958Assetto Corsa starting now, server details are in the previous post if you're interested
>/vrg/ hates the frame because it has worse screens than a $2000 headset and it's not compatible with their ERP trackerslol
>>546323690you can't buy the og quest anymore.
>how I'll be playing deadlock next year
good 'jonging 'jongersim sorry
>>546323843>missing every skillshot and bulletanon...
>>546323916do you look at your mouse and keyboard when you play shooters?
>>546323916that's my team's problem
Hol’ up>smacks lipsYou mean to tell me>sucks teethIt ain’t got colour pass through? Real?
>>546325784no, but it does have a big nosehole for me to find my beer through
>who is the target audiencemaybe more people than we realize if these comments are anything to go by.
Have a vintage meme from the Index announcement
>>546315591I tried it and it's better than lethal but right now the VR mod is outdated so you would have to downgradeOnce it's fully updated then let's have some games
>>546325865So when I’m playing my flat steam games the room around my floating screen is black and white ? Like a quest 2?
Apologies to palmer luckey I did not know your game quite frankly
>>546326530yes, OR, most likely it will be some steam-matrix home environment or something
>>546326332the reclining will hereby commence.
So, what, do people love or hate the new valve headset? I can't tell how much of it is shitposting and how much is genuine.
>>546326794it's just a quest 3
>>546326308>everyone saying frame will be $500
>>546327024>Pros: Backed by FacebookOh Bloomberg, you funny rag you.
>>546318487>featuresthat no one used
>>546327004So better because no zucktranny data harvesting?
Looking good Yuru
>>546326794It's what everyone expected, a Valve branded Quest headset. The only novel thing about it is the dedicated streaming dongle.
>>546326794it's mid fr fr
>>546327448gross
no, a blanket statement that “Quest 2 has better tracking than SteamVR 2.0” would not be accurate overall.Here’s the nuance the paper makes clear (and what other tests support):>Where Quest 2 (Oculus Insight) did better>Static accuracy & precision:In controlled, stationary measurements, Quest 2’s inside-out tracking was slightly more accurate and less jittery than SteamVR 2.0 — especially in height (Y-axis) and short-term stability.>Ease of setup & robustness to drift:Because it’s inside-out (uses onboard cameras), there’s no external base-station calibration — so it’s simpler and consistent once the room is well lit and feature-rich.>Where SteamVR 2.0 still excels>Dynamic motion tracking:SteamVR 2.0 performs better for fast, complex, or occluded movements (e.g., hand controllers swinging behind you). Quest 2’s cameras can lose tracking when line-of-sight or lighting is poor.>Large or irregular spaces:SteamVR base stations cover large areas reliably and don’t depend on visual landmarks or lighting.>Multi-object tracking:SteamVR supports precise tracking of multiple external trackers (hands, props, body parts), whereas Quest 2 only tracks its headset and controllers.>Absolute coordinate consistency:SteamVR’s Lighthouse system provides a consistent world-space reference across sessions — Quest 2’s inside-out system can shift slightly between play sessions.
>AI Sloppa
>>546318170>>546318193fuck I forgor>>546327601
>>546326794love for now. it isn't in the hands of the people yet.but from the looks of it its gonna be the best headset package bar none.pretty much all the people shitting on it are either coping because they bought a bigscreen/quest pro recently or just are too stupid and ignorant.
>>546327601will you please stop posting
>>546327601Am I reading this right? they tested a full fbt setup vs just a normal quest in three point? Of course the accuracy would be less. I think testing 3 point vs 3 point would be a better comparison no?
>>546327004You fags said that's exactly what you wanted out of valve though because you didn't want to get zucc'd
>>546328090who cares it's an AI post from bnuuy
NA Volleyball starting in 15mins.Instance up now for some practice.https://vrch.at/4q0gez0f
if the headset alone, no controllers/accessories or anything, costs like $500 then i'd get one.
>>546328137I don't want this, but I am not the target audience.
>>546326736But that’s worse than a quest 3 what is this thing ??
>>546327601almost everything you mentioned is solved by the frame and q3s lol. especially low light and large or irregular spaces.absolute coordinate consistency only matters if you are combining tracking types otherwise you will quite literally never notice it.dynamic motion tracking is also solved by the frame as its update frequency is the same or higher than an index.multi object tracking is something we'll have to wait and see how they implement but to write off the best headset on the market because of 1 possible downside is retard shit dude. especially when every other headset on the market is way more copium than the frame is lol
>>546328621ok trex gimme ur best rawr
>>546328756rawr
>>546328432it will be better than quest 3 for latency, and presumably the OS will be better/easier to connect to your pcthe passthru is much worse than Q3 though, yea
>best headset on the market>LCD screens
>>546326530This is valve very openly giving zero fucks about XR anything. You're here to play in VR; the reality around you is irrelevant.
>>546329056>b-but we have to do it because--New viable lens tech fucking when, pancakes were a mistake.
>>546327968I bought a Quest Pro and I am 80% happy with the Frame.Just wanna know>will be a face tracking module, not in a "2 more weeks" timeframe, but more like 6 month later at the very least>how well do the controllers track when they leave the headsets view>can I deactivate the fugly passthrough when I play my flat games (in a steam vr environment or something), the demo video suggests that you are seeing everything in color, which you do not>whats the priceIt really feels like a "games first headset" which is such a fucking nice thing to see inbetween all those XR/AR, social, AI headsets.Should the Frame turn out to be shit, there might be other headsets in the near future, hopefully>>546328621>reddit spacingWasn't even arguing with you. Just wanted a tl;dr of the research. I don't really care much about the lighthouse vs camera tracking as both have their problems and it's more about "What can you deal with".Camera tracking on my quest 2 and later my quest pro has treated me incredibly well. My lighting seems to be enough and I never lost tracking (unlike the quest pro controllers, those track like hot garbage).The Index also worked fine, I did notice that sometimes my knuckles or trackers sperged out, most likely because of some rouge reflection. And once you enter the "mixed playspace" rabbit hole and read up on how fucked lighthouses can be because of their micro vibration, which introduce movement, which introduce errors and so on, you wish you never started to read up on it in the first place because lighthouses are (even though they get hyped as some sort of holy cow) a technological dead end.
>>546329056Certainly, here is your image as seen on an OLED device!
