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first draw of the thread!
>>548104627Nice armpit
>>548105054Cute Bossu.Trunks looks weirdly square tho.
>>548105054She looks so bratty and happy.
>>548105249He's Ultra Egoing!
kneel
I still can't believe we had a retard try and argue that DB was 'down to earth' last thread.
>>548105462Impossible since he isn't jobbing.
>>548105572I'll never challenge the Simonchads again...
>Failed franchises with no generals are seething here againDB's superiority has caused some controversy yet again.
>>Failed franchisesvery ironic from a dragontard
>>548105956>DB's superiorityIn terms of power, popularity, relevance and revenue by the way.
>>548105572YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>548105572>>548105807>>548106219Can you stop spamming? We get it, you're 'le epic trolling'. Move on.
>>548105572>>548106120>>>/co/
Powerful
>>548105616Hey I meant in the sense of it being relative to other shounen, like not super mega earth destroying scifi stuff. Something closer to like hokuto no ken or something since the subject of comparison was gurrent laggan
Help me out guys. Where is Dragon Ball????????
>>548107007Wtf is Bayside shakedown 2
>>548107005>Hey I meant in the sense of it being relative to other shounen, like not super mega earth destroying scifi stuffAnon, Roshi blow up the moon in chapter 51.Before that he blew up a mountain in chapter 14.That shit doesn't happen in fucking Hokuto No Ken.>Gurenn LagannThose fuckers don't even reach planet level until the last arc. DB does it in the Saiyan Saga.
>>548107007Demon Slayer chads... One Piece chads... JJK chads... CSM chads... Pokemon chads... Detective Conan chads... I'm sorry for speaking up...
>>548107005Please tell me you're trolling. Earth Destroying sci fi shit is literally what all of Z is about.
Funny how the same guys who say dragon ball was never sci Fi and it was adventure focused immediately change their tune when confronted with characters that have actual feats.
>>548107007>>548107439I said stop spamming, not 'spam about something else'.>>548107725You realize that Sci Fi adventure exist, right? And what does genre have to do with 'feats'? The fuck are you on about?
>>548107007Delete this please...
>>548107421Yeah okay the roshi moon bust is wacky, but outside of it you get things like the piccolos blowing up a city and an island treated like big feats and most of the series is really just fairly standard shounen tournament stuff. Besides I wasnt even the original guy who claimed that
>>548107871>like the piccolos blowing up a city and an island treated like big featsPiccolo literally blows up the moon too.
>They still don't have their own generalCan't imagine being a fan of such pathetic franchises honestly.
>>548107625Anon pls I know z is scifi wacky thats what I said myself in my original comment. Again im not even the guy who originally claimed that goku was a relatable down to earth martial artist compared to gurren laggan/superman
>unable to refute anythingthese tears taste sweet.
>>548108270>Anon pls I know z is scifi wacky thats what I said myself in my original commentI think you fucked up your original post then because what you said is DB is NOT earth destroying sci fi stuff.
Oh wait this is an 18 thread.
>>548108841That's cute but Vegeta is shorter than that.
>>548108731My original post back in the old thread was responding to a guy claiming that goku is a relatable martial artist dude compared to other higher tier guys and I replied that it was wacky since bare minnimum the start of Z due to the goofy alien and earth destroying stuff. I can see the argument for OGDB since a lot of the tournament fights are pretty reasonable compared to moving entire solar systems or destroying galaxies I guess,
>>548109145>My original post back in the old thread was responding to a guy claiming that goku is a relatable martial artist dude compared to other higher tier guys and I replied that it was wacky since bare minnimum the start of Z due to the goofy alien and earth destroying stuff.Yeah and the original post in this thread you replied to was agreeing with you that the 'down to earth' guy was wrong but since your response had a 'not' too many, we got confused and started arguing despite agreeing.Get what I mean?>compared to moving entire solar systems or destroying galaxies I guess,It's still crazy to me that Whis just moved all the SDBs across an entire fucking universe with 0 problem and nobody even comment on it.I guess not as crazy as Zamasu becoming a timeline / 12 universes and Goku being like 'I could take him if I had a senzu'.
thank you for more shota mods
>>548110060>>548110308Those are more chibis, no?
>>548110002Whis can do anything the plot requires him to do, his powers are as infinite as toriyamas' lack of care
>>548108923Nice job.>>548110472He couldn't avoid Goku biting him and stepping on poop tho.I just remembered it was very cool to see Whis just dodge Gogeta's teleportation like it was nothing. A great detail.
>>548110060i ain't saying thank you until they actually mod in some unique moves for them, i'm not interested in mods that just juggle around the other mini moves plus the occasional goten move (with obligatory shit camera)
>>548110608Well you see anon thats still consistent with my comment. Toriyama cares about jokes, therefore whis' powers diminish when it is funny to do so, simple as
>>548108841Why do girls pretend to like manlets
DB actually went up a few spots on the list of highest grossest franchises according to Wikipedia. It's 33rd now.
Its funny how toriyama convinced all these women that vegeta/bulma is this absolutely perfect relationship dynamic by showing none of the relationship and having them barely ever interact. Genius toriyama
>>548110662i don't even like when they shuffle moves around because half the time it breaks the camera and sound effects. Sparking modding just isn't *there* yet.>>548110467probably so. i'm half-memeing. lol
>>548110896The secret is if you're attractive enough in personality they don't give a fuck
>>548111272Toriyama taught women that short men are supposedly hot
I was half memeing but genuinely do vegeta and bulma actually ever interact much at all during Z? Like even during buu saga I don't really think they have many interactions if any meaningful ones
>>548111272the concept of 'boss bitch tames arrogant asshole with issues' is enough
>>548111578Not really, Toriyama said he had no confidence in his romance writing skills and found it embarrassing so he offscreened it all.You're LITERALLY supposed to just imagine your dream relationship for every couple offscreen.
>>548112220I know with the romance stuff but its weird that vegeta and bulma just in a general sense don't really interact with eachother much. Like we at the very least we have goku and chichi interactions due to gohan but with bulma and vegeta its just nothing. Like bulma has talked TO vegeta like during the decision to not murk the androids early or getting her armor but Im genuinely not sure if bulma and vegeta have ever had an actual conversation. Im probably wrong tho
>>548111578>do vegeta and bulma actually ever interact much at all during Z?Only brief interactions. Goku interacted more with Chichi, and they almost never talked with each other too. Pic related might be the most they talked with each other. Either this or "saiyan hair doesn't grow" scene.
>>548113330That is infact a conversation between bulma and vegeta, kind of, I guess. Its something I suppose
>>548113510And it's probably more than what Yamcha/Bulma got after the first arc. I don't remember them interacting after it at all... Toriyama makes characters interact more before dating it seems.
>>548113776Yamcha straight up stops existing as a character outside of tournament arcs so yeah they never really interacted
>>547991676>>548000796Cabba should get god formsCaulifla should get monke modeKale should get full powered 3 ala Cumber/KamenRenso secretly has the ultra+monke modes, he treats himself as a tactical nuke if Salada or U6 is in grave danger.
>>548114075>Caulifla should get monkeStopped reading here
>>548114395Gay?
This is the same logic behind "everyone should be relevant and get unique forms"
>>548114075Was the ToP not u6 being in danger enough for him
>>548114592There's nothing wrong with that though.
>>548114697They didn't have those darn macguffins to heal his poor condition
>>548114453>Projection out of nowhere
wasn't happy with my previous attemptsomething still looks off but it's at the pinnacle of my current ability so I can't pinpoint what actually is off anymore
>>548119535To be fair you picked a pretty complicated pose
>>548119535Draw gogeta with a mustache
>>548119814if you draw the stuff you're good at, you'll never improve>>548119875maybe later, I have to do my resistance training
>>548115845Just curious.
HOLY FUCK GOATPER IS BACK!!!https://x.com/Venixys/status/1994015224974762476
>>548122683>It's dolphin porn again
>>548108841 What is the male equivalent of this?
>>548122905That one youtuber with his green OC
>>548122683>Italian>I.C.E. ad right underneath the post
>>548105572>00s gainax slopwill never be better than the stuff it rips off from
>>548123218TID (Total (Sh)italian Deportation) soon, anon.
>>548123552Getter actually reached planet level and above earlier than Gurenn Lagann.
>>548125546Looks like a mix of Bulma and 18
>>548124528The biggest difference between the series is its "endgame" is very much the worst case scenario for everyone and everything involved, past, present, and future.
>>548126927No because it's real endgame is Super Robot Wars and they win with MazinKaiser's help.
>>548125546what size paper do you use? mechanical pencil?
>>548127738Kaiser? Not quite.
>>548128061I honestly can't remember when they use Zero vs Kaiser vs Emperor G.
Why are DBtubers such wiggers? I thought Geekdom was black from how he talked until I saw his face and found out he was white.
>>548134986like asking why NBA fans are mostly black
>>548134986>Reekdom>White
>>548135775what a fucking freak>>548134986being a wigger with a BWC is based
https://www.cbr.com/dragon-balls-new-vegeta-transformation-is-about-to-break-the-internet/Is this real?
>>548139981>Article talks like UE will by as hyped as UI wasLmao
>>548140663it could've been if it didn't look dumb and had gotten to debut in an animated format.
Didn't Super start airing right after the Buu saga Kai ended? Maybe they are really doing Super Kai as a recap for new viewers with Moro/Granolah coming after that
>>548141129Toyo could have drawn a better reveal face. Look at this derp shit.
>>548141129The only bad part of the design is the gay earring, not the lack of eyebrows
>>548140663 Everyone already knows UE was a nothingburger that got humiliated in it's debut fight. It's a dud and won't come back since it's Toyo's fanfic and not compatible at all with what Toriyama wrote for Vegeta's training in SH where he decided to fight more like Jiren
>Dabura players when their “anti-tank” gimmick doesn’t allow them to automatically kill any tank within 5000000 meters
>>548122905anyone that ever liked tsundere girls
First day results are in. Is your hero about to make it?
>>548146254Mutenroshi's position is worrying.
Does anyone really get what Gero's "artificial humans" all are? If they were all "Androids" or "Cyborgs" like most translations claim we'd have no problem, but each of them seem to be more complicated than that and not all of them can fit into the same category.The best I figure is:>8 looks like Universal's version of the Frankenstein monster, so he's probably mostly constructed from corpses.>13 (canon or not) resembles Gero himself and may be an enhanced clone of him with some mechanical components>14 and 15 just seem to be robots>16 is purely robotic but is designed to emulate a specific real person>17 and 18 started out as normal humans and have confirmed mechanical components in the form of self destruct mechanisms, though they haven't had their reproductive systems altered and the real enhancement is "on a cellular level", which isn't too clear on what that means. Not sure if it means genetic engineering or if something artificial like nanomachines were added.>19 just seems to be a robot though one that can absorb Ki.>20 retains Gero's actual brain but everything else seems to be the same robotic model as 19.>Cell is a bit of a mystery, he's stated to be created using cells from two Saiyans, two of Freeza's family and one Namekian but he doesn't really resemble any of them. Furthermore, the data on him seems to be sufficient to create another one, so he may very well not actually have the actual cells in him. With that in mind, a possible explanation for what he is could be a that the cells were just for research and he's actually a robot so advanced that it blurs the line between life and machinery.>21 is a similar case to Cell, though she seems to use Boo as a template.Got any better ideas?
>>548146254>Cell beating FriezaNow that is a surprise
>>54814698317 and 18 are using using bio organic components or something similar to that in their blueprints, right? Its so they can merge with cell on the cellular level. Cell himself also doesnt just have z fighter/ antagonist DNA, im pretty sure it was also said he had the DNA of a bunch of random earth animals in him too
>>548143140Beerus is not gay
>Pokemon Unite is dyingExpect an uptick of players soon
>>548147150really? feel like it tracks consider most people talk so well about the cell saga and just like gohan story all coming to head there in general.
>>548147907Japs love Frieza though.
Fucking kek, based chinks. (Although weird opinions on Kojimaslop)
>>548147580So that's why 17 became a ranger.
>>548148297red good, black bad?
>>548148297Why are atlus and Capcom so hated in China?
>>548148403Yup
Anyways the real fucked up thing about 21 to me is that they somehow figured out how to get a piece of buu without buu noticing despite parts of him while detchached still being able to be controlled by him seemingly, as well as the even more fucked up implication that buu has DNA
>>548148723That might be why 21 isn't canon yet. It probably has to be reworked into some magitech shit.
>>548148956I don't really see that being that much of a hindrance to 21 being canon. Just vaguely suggesting buu was involved in the process of making her is all you'd really need to say
>>548143140the eyebrows thing doesn't make any sense unless it's UE -Sign- and the eyebrows are indicative of a lack of mastery (i.e.indicating your Ego is out of control and you're being a meat head).
21 mentioned
>>548148956It's silly to try to find a reason why something "isn't canon yet". It's the default! Few things Toriyama created outside the main story ended up being included in a movie or a series. And sometimes they get heavily reworked in the meantime (like the Glind lore). Towa and Mira end up appearing in plenty of games and related projects, but when there was a main series focused on demon realm, they weren't brought back, instead a different cast was created.
>>548149575I just meant in relation to Vomi being canon. They still could introduce 21 but at the end of the day, that would just be the new Super 17.
i think this'll be the last time i update this for now. i can't find much art of Dark Janemba to make renders from, and even less that's head-on enough for me to easily edit the Demon Eye onto him. loli'm happy with how it turned out though! now i can look at it and my brain will just produce dopamine while i daydream about how they'd effect the narrative.
>>548149860Not really? I don't think we have a hell fighter vomi or something and her gimmick isnt really anything like super 17's
>>548150019fun insight nobody asked for: i considered doing Black Meta Cooler instead of Black Final Form Cooler, but after a brief pause i realized Meta Cooler wouldn't exist in DBS because Goku never blasted Cooler into the sun. lol
>>548150085>new evil android shows up>combines with something to gain a new formIt's pretty much the same theming.
On a serious note, im pretty sure the main reason why 21 isnt gonna become a thing is because the main antagonist being a woman basically just isnt a thing in this series. The closest we've come is 18 and even she was weaker than 17
>>548150334Anon that's closer to cell not super 17. Super 17 is specifically him combining with himself to become stronger, unless youre suggesting she combined with good 21 halfway through to become super 21
>Super is the only main DB series without a Dragon Ball Hunt arc>Daima is the only main DB series without a tournament though GT tournaments are very lowkeyHow would (You) write a search for DBS and a tournament for DBD? You can either alter the OG narrative or just make up a sequel arc.
>android 21 but taller and more buffYou know what anon nevermind i am now a super 21 truther I believe in the plan
>>548150487Yes, Super 17 is also a rehashing. It's what Toei do.
>>548150696Id argue super 17 feels a bit closer to super android 13 than he does cell desu. Either way 21 doesnt really combine with buu or anything buu was just always a part of them
>>548150853Like I said, theming. She still transforms.
>>548150962Pretty much every antagonist in this franchise has transformations. And it's not like buu himself isnt known for absorbing people
>>548151156Yes, but it's an android... You know what, forget it. I suck at explaining shit in text.
What a chad
>>548152686Imagine if sHit was half as cool...
>>548147580>>548148319There's zero canon info on Cell's cells coming from anyone other than Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Freeza and Cold. You got those five, 17 and 18 and those are the only confirmed (canon) components of Perfect Cell.
>>548148956>It probably has to be reworked into some magitech shit.>Daimasisters are this delusional.If that happens, people are gonna view Daima as a non-canon side story like GT and Super, because they're just pulling from video games.
>>548152884It was still amusing to think of 17 experiencing a rhyme of the ancient mariner situation inside of Cell.
>>548150578I would just do a fully realized Prison Planet arc
>>548152884 What was even the point of Cold's cells? He sucks and doesn't contribute anything that Frieza doesn't already do better
>>548104627Note is pure!
>>548150578a dragonball hunt simply wouldn't work nowadays because there is no foe that can challenge Goku or Vegeta or even Piccolo on earth anymore and in order to have a dragon ball story worth watching one or all of them has to appear in it, plus with how resourceful they have it now with the powers they have there's nothing to stop them from gathering them easily.A tournament for Daima would of been easy to do within the scope of their story, instead of Tamagami 1 vs Majin Duu or rather they could keep that and instead of the expected mini game at the end instead they get a tournament where they have to fight for the remaining dragonballs and claim them all at once and why they have to go along with it is because just having them isn't enough, they need the password, of course spoken only in namkikan, meaning only Neva and Piccolo would be the only ones capable of actually summoning the demon realm dragon and Neva's because they either don't trust him or because they think he's too senile to even remember it and Piccolo's not gonna do it because he thinks the idea of fighting for it all is interesting since he is a warrior after all, the participants are King Dadan, the leader of the Gedemari force, Hybis, Glorio, Panzy, Maaba, Majin Kuu, Majin Duu, Degasu, Arisasu, Nahare, Gomah,Goku,Vegeta, Piccolo and Anon. 16 participants, that's enough for 3 episodes and half an episode of the semi final and final match and a good way to give more action scenes to main characters and gag matches too
>>548154798Making Cell tall
>>548155682>a dragonball hunt simply wouldn't work nowadaysThat's a silly argument, DB always just threw new problems and limitations down our heroes path as easilyy as it threw solutions, Daima being the latest example. It's not the kind of a series to be constrained by its world. And Super introduced a new set of Dragon Balls and new universes, surely it wouldn't be hard to come up with a search idea.
>Vanderhorstia supersaiyan sp. nov. (Perciformes: Gobiidae) is described from a single specimen (77.0 mm in standard length) collected from 210 m depth off Ishigaki-jima Island, Okinawa, Japan. The new species has two distinct yellow longitudinal stripes on the second dorsal, anal, and caudal fins, which are unique features within the genus. The new species can also be clearly distinguished from congeners by other coloration features, including faint yellow spots on the head and dorsal body margin, distinct yellow blotches and yellow upper margin on the first dorsal fin, and four faint yellowish-brown diamond-shaped blotches laterally on the body.
>>548153093Someone feels very threatened, huh? Antway, no matter what, Daima will be considered another "jumping off point" by many simply because whatever sequel will lack Toriyama's input.
>>548156553Imagine believing this, Sakuga retards will eat up whatever as long it has Goku's face on it.
>>548156407>there are Super Saiyan fish now
>>548156407>Okinawa, JapanBrownku bros? We won.
>>548157558Some people will eat everything up. Some won't.
>>548157586why does videl like this nerdy motherfucker?
>>54815809890/10
>>548152884That diagram does say "and many other organisms" though. Not sure why I thought it said random earth animals but there are other things in there. This isnt saying that he has like tien or yamcha's DNA in there just that he does have some other stuff
>>548158608He's a hero.
So like, why did the wrong androids attack at the exact same time and place as 17 and 18 should've. People imply that our androids being nicer is a circumstance type thing but it seems like they should have immediately come out swinging
>>548160216Future Androids probably just took Gero's plans after they killed him because "why not".
>>548160460I mean the question being begged at all is why would he activate 17 and 18 at all? Its honestly decently likely 19 and 20 would have beaten the untrained z fighters anywyas. Now that I think about it how much of the plot even changes if 19 and 20 were just the androids that attacked and 17 and 18 were a surprise trunks didnt know about
>>548148723>>548148956Buu is shown to control his detached body parts manually. Super Buu even briefly forgot about his tentacle head that Vegetto cut off, so having a piece of him that he forgot about isn't too far fetched.
>>5481602161: The nerd answer is that Toriyama intended 19 and Gero to be the Androids, but Torishima (not even his editor at the time) told him they sucked.2: Future Goku died 6 months prior to the Androids attacking, so maybe some Butterfly Effect happened which caused them to start rampaging first since he didn't die yet.3: The information was given by Trunks, who was only a baby at the time. There's a chance 19 and Gero attacked first in the future as well, got chased to the lab, and activated 17 and 18 (no 16, I guess), but that part was never told to him, only that 17 and 18 started their own rampage on the same day.
>>548160760Given bulma was pretty much there for the events of the 19 and 20 fight im skeptical she wouldn't bring it up. That being said im not really sure a z fighters group without the 3 year gap training arc could beat 19 and 20. Vegeta is even unlikely to have super saiyan due to a lack of motivation from goku being dead
>>548160701Perhaps #19 malfunctioned as a result of some butterfly effect? And Gero was afraid of fighting alone. Another option, if you ignore the anime depictions, it might have been that 19/20 attacked initually like in the main timeline but were pushed back, leading to Gero releasing 17/18. And simply the ones who initially fought them died so the knowledge was lost. Or Gohan knew, but never considered it relevant to mention that there were once two weaker guys there as well since it's not like he could have anticipated time travel.
>>548158994>Implying
>>548161035She was there on our timeline. It might have been a different story in Trunks's timeline. There would have been no plan, probably news spread and whoever pickef it up went to investigate. Also, Vegeta and Piccolo train even without a reason, so they could be enough.
>>548161465Idk anon, given that the evidently beatable 19 and 20 were the ones that unleashed 17 and 18 it seems like that would have been extremely pertinent information to mention from at the very least bulma. Like they had the exact time down to the hour of when they would appear but not a single person knew what they looked like?
>>548161651Vegeta absolutely does not train without a reason, lmao. The entire reason for him to be getting stronger is to beat the shit out of goku and regain his lost pride. Piccolo sure but it likely wouldn't be nearly as intense or effective. People rarely seem to get much stronger without dedicated goals in mind in this series
>>548161853 He kept training in the 7 years between Cell and Buu even though Goku was dead and believed he wasn't ever coming back
>>548162031A vegeta post cell saga who was starting to get his character development, yes. Also I would argue his aim was more cell games gohan than goku at that point, hence why he seemingly kind of stagnate once he hit 2 and him being extremely annoyed at how weak gohan got
>>548161696Sure, why not? The attack time could have been just been inferred later (e.g. that's the point at which the contact with the island has been lost, and later only corpses were found). Our heroes would most likely not have been there. They can't even feel the androids ki. So they would only pick up the events at the same time the general populace did. Bulma might have just not been there, Gohan could have arrived later for one reason or the other. Everyone else died. And the information wouldn't matter if you wouldn't plan to go back in time. If, say, Gohan came to back wounded Piccolo up, he wouldn't say "this old guy attacked first before the brats were released and killed him" as that would be irrelevant info in the middle of the fight.
Either way, it feels weirdly contrived for when gohan explains the story to bulma (its likely he was still there to see the androids fight idk why he wouldn't) he would just forget to include the entire first half of the fight with 19 and 20
>>548162560>Gohan doesn't train for 4 years and grows rusty>Piccolo doesn't want to bother him when he goes to investigate>the rustiness makes Gohan fail to detect anything's happening until laterJust one possibility.
>>548162904Didn't goku only die a few months before the androids came, not 4 years?
>>548163109Gohan only trained with him because the androids were coming. Otherwise, he'd just focus on his books.
Thinking about it I guess it kind of can be implied that the z fighters did make it to the lab due to trunks knowing it was doctor gero who made the androids as well as knowing that they killed him. Unless 17 and 18 just do their own exposition which isnt that out there as cell also did his own exposition. Still weird they know aboiu the lab part but not anything before it tho. Also if this is playing out basically the exact same way as it does in canon why do 17 and 18 elect to kill the z fighters now
GS' Ultimate Gohan trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhvhcjJTGfA>His passive has stacks. Once you get max stacks, opponent is defenses are lowered, and skills stagger (!!!). It does seem to reset after the stagger at least.>S1 is sort of of a reversed Kid Gohan S1. The closer the opponent is, the longer the pushback>S2 makes you and your opponent switch places>S3 powers up his S1 and S2, and after a certain amount of time, allows them to be used even while in cooldown>Ult adds stacks, and staggers whoever is at max stacksHe looks bullshit. Toshi...
>>548163316Thinking of it, this really explains why Future Gohan sucks so bad.>Abandoned to live by himself for six months when he's 4>Trained by Piccolo for a few months>Mental training with Krillin for a month>Three and a half years of studying>Goku dies>Androids arrive six months later>They kill everyoneWith no guidance, Gohan just wouldn't remember how to train properly even if Piccolo taught him that well.
>>548166102No one taught piccolo or vegeta how to train and they got around just fine, seems like a skill issue to me
>>548163759Anyways to loop around to my original point, this just feels like the androids in the trunks timeline were always evil either way. Either they attacked that city and killed everyone or they decided to kill all of the z fighters at their first meeting anyways
>>548166710It could be just down to them killing their first enemy by just overexerting, and from that point on, every subsequent kill is easier, carries no weight.
>>548169178Even in canon they smashed Gero's head in with zero remorse. Its not like they were particularly averse to killing and even then chose to spare the Z fighters
>>548169178The androids over exerting themselves fighting the z fighters seems pretty questionable as well, as these would be a group training much less intensely during the three year gap, unless we actually do go with the belief that the future androids were weaker and trunks just didn't know
>>548169516it was because of Cell that they didn't go crazy obliterating people. They were only up and active for what, a day? Then Cell shows up. in Future Trunks' timeline Cell doesn't show up until 15+ years after the androids are activated.
>>548158879>Too much focus on powerThat's odd. Only a few chapters before this diagram, 16 talked like 17's and 18's power is about the same.
>>548170047It cant have anything to do with cell, though. The way trunks tells the story the z warriors died fighting the androids in "that battle three years later" so its kind of implied the androids just killed the z fighters immediately for some reason
>>548169516Gero had it coming, they hated him. It's different.>>548169869A lot of things can happen by accident.
Also was this supposed to be foreshadowing vegeta's concern over trunks shown in the cell fight or was bulma fully just coping/lying to trunks here. It feels legitimately unbelievable that cell vegeta would give a shit about anyone
>>548170483without Goku they probably fought more desperately and tenaciously, which left the androids with no alternative except to go for the kill. in the prime timeline, they were fighting more with the intent to stall for time so Goku to get over his illness.
>>548170752There's no way in hell vegeta of all people was stalling for goku, he was trying as hard as he could and ate shit. Same for trunks, I highly doubt he was attempting to do anything other than kill 18 and immediately ate shit
>>548170678the fact he hasn't just nuked earth or killed the z fighters to force Goku to fight him again (or just taken over the planet in Goku's absence) is proof that at least on some level he's mellowed out compared to how he was during the saiyan saga. there is no way saiyan saga Geets would've tolerated the way Bulma talks to him.
>>548170678Lying, it's explained in the chapter Trunks goes back to the future. He says she was right about Vegeta having some heart while she thinks to herself how she can't believe Vegeta acted like this. She just says this so Trunks doesn't feel bad about his dad.
>>548171035the rest of the Z fighters didn't jump in, was my point. Vegeta went into his fight with 18 purely out of a desire to test his own strength, and Trunks went in to protect Vegeta. the other Z fighters hung back rather than gang up in an attempt to overwhelm them. 17 and 18 (and 16) probably could clock that difference in intent. It was just a play fight to them. If the others had jumped in they almost certainly would've said "if that's how you wanna play, okay we'll just end it now"
>>548171340They didnt hang back, though. The rest of the z fighters jumped in the second that trunks did. If the androids really cared that much about being jumped they would have killed them when they did get jumped in canon. 17 even warned them that he would come in if they attempted to jump 18, they ignored his warning and despite that they still didnt kill him. The androids are just oddly reticent to kill anyone despite having ample opportunity and motivation. Except for gero obviously
>>548170678That's some terrible foreshadowing since Vegeta just left them to die. Once Trunks goes back to his future and tells Bulma about it, she's shocked, so she was bullshitting Trunks to not say "Your father was a horrible man I once had sex with".
The story itself doesnt really go anywhere with it but they do lean into the idea pretty hard that the androids are for whatever reason just intristically kind of different from the androids of the bad future. Like we say the idea is trunks couldn't have known if they were holding back or not but idk the plot itself just kind of takes trunks' word for it and they ARE seemingly different for unexplained reasons
>>548172292In the manga version, Futurehan never learned the androids' real power until the day he died. They could have easily continued the charade with Trunks, letting him "fight them equally" for kicks. That line about them holding back before seems rather unnecessary unless the point was explaining the apparent power difference between both versions.
>>548173493I pretty much just took it as a way to show how hopeless the bad future was and how little of a chance gohan had. I cant really see that as a way to fix a plot hole because the androids themselves were long irrelavent to the plot by that point and it wasnt even really treated like a plot hole by the series itself. Its just "they're stronger and different, must be because of the butterfly effect or something idk, moving on here's cell"
>>548172292>"What did you say!? Let events unfold!?">-man who agreed to not deal with the Androids before they were built
>>548175931To be fair, the expectation was to kill them before they could get out of hand and cause the mayhem that trunks said they would
Also it is intensely funny to me that trunks never explained that you cant sense the androids' ki. Like you would think that would be one of the first things you would tell someone as a warning but I guess not
>>548157586>SHENRON IS PUTTING WISHES IN THE WATER THAT ARE TURNING THE FUCKING FISH SUPER SAIYAN
>i have to rely on modders to make the lobby auras show up in the battle part of the gamethis is why i don't even care if they ever make Xenoverse 3. same reason i don't care much for another Elder Scrolls game when Skyrim has been modded to the gills for over a decade.
>>548172041 Funny that in canon Future Bulma didn't really care that much about Future Vegeta and he literally was just a one night stand. The fandom like to portray her as missing him and thinking about him a lot like she loved him like present Bulma and Vegeta
>>548177908Tbf she did decide to have his kid and bothered lying about how nice he was to trunks. No idea why she decided to have his kid but eh. Like if shes that lax about it you'd really think bulma and yamacha would have had a kid by now but I guess he's too busy actually trying to train to save the world. Fuck him I guess
THE GRIM REAPER OF JUSTICE makes he long waited debut to /dbg/ vgl team today. Our match against /civ4xg/ is slated to start at 3:20pm(est)
If the announcement in january isn't good, DB will die.
>>548181643You're setting yourself up for disappointment, anon. Its not going to be anything worth getting excited about. I really hope im wrong but I severely doubt it
>>548181643you're not excited about the Dragon Ball SD anime?
>>548183756I wonder if they would adapt other things from her other books, like snake way...
>Gohan reveal>Displacement galoreBojack players are fucked>>548152686Imma be real, i expected him to be a unique thing like the pillar fucking does damage, but no, it's a dragon reskinAnybody has the info on what will bulla do?
>>548184847i should read DBZ SD. it looks charming. it would be sick if the announcement was a charming little Dragon Ball Z SD anime that switches to serious, Daima-tier animation for big fights, like what Naruto SD did in this fight. i'd watch the fuck outta that.https://files.catbox.moe/16n3wh.mp4
>>548183756Naruto SD was kino, but because it wasn't a retelling in SD format but it's own thing.
>>548189286very valid, but i think part of that was cause Naruto was still relatively fresh when that was airing. DBZ is like 30 years old and some people do want a remake, so i figure that's a cool two birds one stone opportunity.
>>548191608I don't get the hype for a remake myself, im really not interested in the franchise spinning on its wheels for years for another damn retread of the plot I've seen a million times.
>>548105616The original DB?
I never realized just how contentious the whole>Goku isn't/is a hero [like Superman]thing really is. Like both sides of the argument are really sensitive about it.
Besides a few better characterizations and designs, I can't think of anything else a remake would bring. No attacks were done better, no fights were choreographed better, and we'd be losing anime OCs like GoD Toppo
>>548196462From my perspective, goku is objectively not a noble hero like superman, but his choice of hobby pits him against bad people a lot of the time and he doesn't like to punch down. Goku is a good person with a good head on his shoulders but I wouldn't call him a paragon of justice. Hes also not a complete shitter like that one meme that edits 16 into superman acts like he is
>>548179238https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague /dbg/ match is up next!
>>548197348He's not a hero in the sense rightning wrongs is not his primary life call, but he still will help out whoever's in trouble when he happens upon them. It's not just punching bad guys because he likes to fight, he got Dende to Earth because he was outrage by the desruction Cell caused, for one. While his thirst for battle will sometimes get the better of him to the point it endangers others, he will also sometimes try to end things peacefully to minimize casualities, he initially told Vegeta as well as Ginyu and co. to get lost. He might not be a Superman, but he's very much a heroic figure.
I hope you dragonballcunts are ready to get your ass beat
>>548196574"Manga accurate" DBS remake is a nonsensical idea. The manga isn't the original, so you don't even have that argument. The anime is also a much more famous version, to the point it dwarves the manga. There's literally no reason to do it.
>>548198708Hence why I used the specific terms "noble" hero or paragon of justice. He has good morals, and is generally outraged when he sees bad guys doing bad things. But its not his main reason for fighting and he doesnt really go out of his way to stop bad people when theyre not in his general sphere (like how he kind of just lets frieza off to go genocide people as long as it isnt in his backyard) If someone asked him to go take care of a bad guy thats far off, like broly rampaging in south galaxy he'll go stop them but he's not prowling the streets looking to stop crime or anything
What a fucking stupid strategy, why would vegeta need to risk jobbing that badly just to confirm that they do indeed suck energy through their palms
>>548198072>jobbing already
HAK HAK HAK
>>548199161who?
went to a DBZ-themed restaurant today
>>548200772respect for my boy the rx-78-2 up there on the wall, i see ya
doc about to be sued for malpractice
>>548200890had a cool mural outside, too
>>548200772sick, is this in the US?
>>548201857yeah, FL.
>>548200890Its weird to me how gundam in the west went from this ultra niche thing outside of wing to something thats become the default name for mecha when that used to be a "transformer"
>>548202068I remember when Robotech and Voltron were a big deal.
>>548202068yeah i went down to grab some gunpla kits at a local shop and even they'd noticed an uptick in people buying them, not a clue why
>>548192568that's why it would be SD and lighter-hearted except for the big fights.
>>548198072a bad game. unlike MY FUCKING heroes the problem saw on the pitch was unidentified and went untaken care of after noticing. we will be back next sunday and hopefully we can recover
Why do we have so many mecha fans in here anyways? I guess super robot shows kind of overlap with dragonball
>>548202068Don't use "west" when you mean "burgerland", my morbidly obese chap.
>>548199990>Vegeta sees the androids sucking energy>Likely sensed Goku's ki dropping>Allowed 19 to steal his energy anywayIt's like he wants to job.
>>548203941Its really funny that both goku and piccolo call vegeta an absolute genius several times without a shred of irony and he hasn't really done a single thing to warrant being called one
>>548204206But he invented "Bejita no waza da"™ How could that not be anything but Genius?
>>548204206Yeah. I mean, it'd be one thing if Gohan said it since he always fights like an absolute retard, but Goku's genuinely the smartest fighter in the team.
DB remake... practically confirmed...
>>548204206At least Goku partially meant Vegeta is a genius in the context of figuring out how to go beyond the super saiyan, which Vegeta did start to figure out, and eventually succeeded, and by comparison, Trunks, who's written to not be as smart, never even considered the possibility. And then Goku casually outclasses Vegeta by going beyond the super saiyan, realizing the grade forms are all useless, and sticking with the regular super saiyan kek.
To play my own devil's advocate i can kind of see it from an in universe perspective in the sense that vegeta figured out training and super saiyan all in his own after only just seeing the form one time. He also figured out grade 2 and 3 completely on his own even if that was the wrong path. Issue is we don't get to see vegeta actually do these things or his thought process so all we have to judge him with is his battle performance which he constantly makes really retarded decisions and constantly underestimates his opponents
>>548204736There's also SSG and SSB figurines.
>>548204953Vegeta is also stubborn so he went like "yeah grade 2 and 3 are definitively the way and there's nothing else left, Torankusu my musko we will only train these. Haha i did it suck it kakarot"
>>548204206>>548204953Though saying "when it comes to fighting, Vegeta is a genius" is pushing it a little given how risky it was to let 19 grab him. Using Bejita no waza da, or any ki technique, would allow him to safely confirm how the absorption works, while not putting himself at risk.
>>548204953To be fair to trunks, why would someone in universe belive there is something beyond super saiyan? Vegeta is dead convinced it exists before he even HAS the base super saiyan somehow. Both goku and vegeta reason theres a level beyond super saiyan but we're given no real reason as to why they believe this is the case, they just do. It comes off less like vegeta is smart and more like he just read the script or knows shounen tropes
>>548205794would've been a much more interesting treatment if THE doc was in...
>>548204989>He also figured out grade 2 and 3 completely on his own even if that was the wrong path.Trunks also comments Vegeta probably figured out grade 3 but never used it simply because it killed his speed... Still, it wasn't smart of him to figure Goku used SS1 more effectively, sensed Goku's ki is leaps and bounds beyond his', and still sticked with grade forms...
I really like how the manga added how Vegeta listed the previous villains when he talked about Jiren just maximizing his power efficiently.So from what I got: in DBS everyone has a roughly similar physical limit, even warrior races like Saiyans. It's just when they reach this ''cap'', the ki control and the like is what makes the difference.Would this mean the Old Kai's talk about transformations being just show biz was the right one all along? It's essentially a way different species found to stress their power up, but Jiren found a way to do that nearly perfectly? Kind of like a Kaio-Ken done right?
>>548206337Pic
>>548206337I mean in realistic narrative terms theres no real difference between maximizing ki control and pumping up your power level. As far as the story is concerned the only thing that matters is youre stronger, the minutae of how you achieve it doesnt really change anything. Hence why you can retcon that it was just actually good ki control the whole time and nothing actually changes
>>548206573You know I actually felt this was the direction Toriyama was trying to go by Buu saga with Gohan and Battle of Gods with the Super Saiyan inheriting the SSG and then the Beyond God thing. Which sounds great.I dunno why he went back to transformations (which I can't hate because they are cool), but it's like all along he wanted to go this direction and Jiren is the pinnacle of that.
>>548205764>Vegeta is dead convinced it exists before he even HAS the base super saiyan somehow.I think pic related is just him doing his usual "Kakarot did this, so I'll go beyond him!". IIRC he said similar things about SS3 and SSG,.>Both goku and vegeta reason theres a level beyond super saiyan but we're given no real reason as to why they believe this is the case, they just do.Goku isn't sure. He talks like he has this theory it can be done, but that he'll also give up if it doesn't work. All in all, it seems they're theorizing, and Goku is just more open about it being a theory, while Vegeta is arrogant as usual and says he will do it.
Like, its basically just going "his ki control is over 9000!!!" Instead of saying power level. Really doesnt change anything at the end of the day because the setting already ran off of ki since the start
This thing of peak physical power makes me wonder how much the Saiyan race just has a weird headstart mechanic. Since in the manga Trunks notes the Zenkai stops after they reach peak physical limit.Though in the ToP afterwards Vegeta says Saiyans' powerlevels keep growing so I guess it's that thing that after the saiyan's body naturally finds ways to evolve like stop growing a tail once they get the giant ape boost in base form like Goku and Broly did.
>>548206876in goku's case, it wouldn't surprise me if the time spent sleeping made him actually notice the things he needed to work on with SS1 anyway, and thus he had plenty of time in the RoSaT to figure out their flaws as well and come up with the best solutionmeanwhile vegeta was just staring off a cliff for 3 days, presumably thinking but not really coming up with anything
>>548206337Shartnga is nonsensical since it lists Broly there who is untrained and dumb. But overall, this principle has always applied to Dragon Ball. Physically, Namek Goku is literally Zarbon level. But he knows how to use his body, making him many times stronger even in base.
Trying to make sense of retroactive writing just makes your head spin. Like all the times Beerus was supposed to be power cliffed only for him to not just catch back up but surpass it in comical fashion.
>>548207251To be fair, goku did also go for the grades first, he just didnt like it. Im one of the first people to call vegeta an idiot but to give him his credit, grade 2 did seem to be a pure improvement over super saiyan with no real downsides. Grade 3 was shit sure but grade 2 was actually a genuine pushing of the bar for super saiyan
>>548207061I mean, it's essentially what earthlings and Goku had going for them. Their powerlevel was a consequence of their ki control. Example:>Ginyu calls Jeice out for being dumb and believing the scouter saying Goku had 5.000>Ginyu gauged from a glance Goku had roughly 60.000 standing there>in battle he discerned his actual power was about 85.000>Goku's actual power was 90.000 but he fools them with kaio ken doubling it to 180.000>when Ginyu takes the body, Goku deduces he doesn't know how to use ki which is why it dropped to 23.000Meaning Goku's actual powerlevel was the 23.000. His ki control was just so good he passively sustained a baseline of 60.000Makes me wonder if the reason he got strong so fast due to zenkai was because the Earth's ki techniques acted as a multiplier to the base power level.
>>548206509>"Our foes are capable of that"I hate this page so much. Toyotaro really didn't understand that Toriyama meant Jiren is a great martial artist who can fight like that. While Jiren did fight effectively initially until he started to become emotional, and Black Freeza seemed like he was fighting in energy conserving ways as well, Moro, Gas, and specially Broly just don't...>>548206718>I dunno why he went back to transformationsProbably a mandate to keep selling toys, otherwise SSB would be the only form Goku and Vegeta would have up until Goku gets UI.>>548207380>Like all the times Beerus was supposed to be power cliffed only for him to not just catch back up but surpass it in comical fashion.It would be so nice if it turned out Beerus was secretly training all along... At least under Toriyama Beerus has a more noticeable limit, and only power gaped once (A little stronger than SSG > Still stronger than SSB, but can be defeated by Goku and Vegeta if they fight together, and Broly is probably stronger than him).
The way I rationalize it is with is, to use kaioken as an allegory. Vegeta saw goku push kaioken up to x20 so he reasons the way forward it to push it to x40 and beyond, whereas goku decides to try and make x2 kaioken his base form. In retrospect it seems obvious but in the moment "just make the form stronger" is perfectly reasonable
>>548207729I mean that depends on the point of view. Jiren was calmer the entire tournament. If he starts getting enraged by the end he still spend less than anyone until that point while Vegeta and Goku were spending more over time but less by the end.Though you are right on Frieza as we see Frieza actually blinked into Black Frieza for a single panel when he murdered Gas, so he basically maximized his power for a single blow.
>>548207380you're right, i should just think about sex with aeos instead
>>548208079You fool! You won't reach a calm and relaxed state with this semen demon in your mind!
>>548207380In canon, Beerus was surpassed in ToP.
I don't really think toriyama was consciously trying to move the series away from forms in buu saga. I especially don't think ultimate gohan was evidence of anything of the sort, its a complete joke in both how its obtained and what it does. Buu saga does a ton of transformations and wacky gimmicks, old kai talking about transformations as faff is just him being a stuck up old man, like he was about the dragonballs too
>>548208337by focusing all my thoughts on one person, i can easily discard errant worries and false ideals, retaining only the baseline love for old bossuthis is the ultimate path to enlightenment
>>548208468Yeah, that being said, BoG was a clear attempt at resetting everything to just Super Saiyan.
>>548207994>Though you are right on Frieza as we see Frieza actually blinked into Black Frieza for a single panel when he murdered Gas, so he basically maximized his power for a single blow.He also detransformed as soon as he knocked out Goku and Vegeta. Interestingly, back in ToP he was using Golden form similarly. Though he did stay transformed for longer at times, but detransformed when not fighting.>>548208940Yeah, Vegeta surpassed SS3 with just a regular SS1, and IIRC, Toriyama mentioned in interviews that SS2 and SS3 are just overclocking, and you can access their powers with just SS1 without the downsides.
>>548208940Ehhh, It was likely just an attempt to make it so god form wasnt permanent. Remeber that BoG wasnt always supposed to manifest as this huge franchise revival thing that ballooned into super
>>548104627I've jerked off to Android 18 for going on 25 years now. Humping my mattress to the History of Trunks VHS. Now as an adult gooning to her for 6 hours.
In a less cynical sense than toy sales, I do really think super saiyan forms are an intristic part of this franchise by this point and the tool the narrative uses to show power progression and tiers. I don't think full scale dropping it would have gone over well if that truly was ever toriyama's intention(and I don't think it is)Theyre also just really cool and let me have my key jingling okay
>>548210439While I agree it kind of cheapens the whole ''Warrior Race'' when someone pops up with so much power they'd have to be forced into SSJ2 or above to keep fighting. At least not unless the enemy at hand also has some transformation.
>>548211998One could argue thats been cheapened ever since the so called legendary super saiyan got both of his arms broken by a teenager back during androids. Super saiyan has not been sacred and I don't really think it should be treated as such, not by this point.
People actually believe this Kefla, who got offscreened by Gohan in the manga, is better than her anime counterpart.>>548127921I use mechanical pencil. And just a 8.5 x 11 in.
>>548212890I don't think anyone actually believes that. The only people who care about gohan versus kefla do so to scale gohan to sign goku
the complaint about DBZ being “the Goku show” is kinda valid. The major decisions Goku makes ends up benefiting everyone while other characters tend to ruin things by making similar choices. For example >Goku spares Piccolo and Vegeta and they end up becoming his best allies >Goku decides not to use fusion against Kid Buu >Goku fixing the entire issue with the Earth Dragon Balls and Kami >Future Gohan being stunted because he dint have Goku to train himMeanwhile >Gohan tries to spare Cell and that ended up getting Goku killed and Cell coming back stronger >Vegeta letting Cell evolve is self explanatory
>>548217358GT is the Goku showDBZ is the "Side-characters fight and get characterization for most of the arc until Goku shows up at the end to win" show
>>548217358Gohan does NOT try to spare cell, he wants his suffering to be as long as possible. If anything its closest to goku drawing out the fight against frieza on namek
>>548217358Actually vegeta broke the potara first iirc, it was just goku who agreed with him. The whole Genkidama plan was vegeta's too, not Goku's
>>548217358>>Gohan tries to spare Cell and that ended up getting Goku killed and Cell coming back strongerGohanfag hours
>>548212890I use a meme Blackwing pencil, and vary between 9x12 and some shitty 6x9 depending on how confident I'm feeling
Remember that arc when princess snake raped raditz then fell in love with him? Tf was that about?
>>548231029No sir, I don't.
Great minds think alike
>>548146254>>548146359Holy shit. I didn't expect 18 to crack top 10 much less the top 8(teen). I figured the Saiyans and Piccolo would be in the top but I'm really glad to see people appreciate her more.
>>548177451They let you have the Legendary aura in the lobby? That's more than I thought XV2 would ever officially give us.
>>548150578>How would (You) write a search for DBS and a tournament for DBD?For DBS, just make a SDB hunt competition organized by Zeno.For Daima, just organize a tournament to decide the new Demon King. Goku wins and then proceed to name Kuu the new Demon King.
>>548164117He's basically a vastly stronger Kid Gohan.
>>548170678>was bulma fully just coping/lying to trunks here.Bulma herself says she just fully lied to Trunks.
>>548212890 There isn't much at all to even say about Kefla in the manga, all she did was smack around some of the pride jobbers then get herself double ko'd by Jobhan of all people (U7's No.4 fighter) in a short background fight. She honestly felt like a massive waste. In typical Toyo fashion he spends a bunch of time setting something up then it just falls flat
>>548217358Z is literally the part where other characters get the most focus. He literally does everything himself in OG DB.
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>>548240439Inb4 someone says ROMTAKU
>>548240164god do I love her hair style
>>548240164Toyo did Kefla so fucking dirty in the manga. A Legendary Super Saiyan fusion should have been a spectacle fight just like it was in the manga.
>>548240164I honestly could not tell you a single thing that happens in the manga ToP other than kale deleting basically the entire tournament and the Jiren stuff
>>548240439Where's Nahoo?
>>548242008 I honestly would have forgiven it if Gohan was outmatched but we see him use his supposed intelligence for once to outsmart her and double ko that way. The fact Toyo had them just precariously fighting on the very edge of the arena so they could conveniently ring eachother both out at once really showed he just did not give a fuck and wanted any quick excuse to get rid of them from the plot asap
>>548239072yeah, they added a system that let's you change your lobby aura but for some incomprehensible reason it doesn't actually affect your battle aura color... unless you install a mod (that i'm very grateful for).
xenoverse 2 is a treasure trove of autism and CAC wanking yet it's so undercooked because bamco/ dimps are cheap asses and wasted everyone's time with Breakers all the costumes and CAC upgrades in that game should of been implimented into xenoverse 2 in
>>548146254>Scratch in the top 20love that little kitty
>>548241920I wish someone would draw it loosw
>>548245237Imagine it, Kefla with sex hair
>>548238753Fuckin carried by BBCfags and everyone knows it
>>548245967>See a hot character>Think of black cocksObsessed.
Why is it when people ask why Kefla is so strong they constantly ignore that one of her fusee components is Kale, the legendary Super Saiyan of her universe and counterpart to Broly, who's casually god tier powerful? And she's a potara fusion on top of it with Caulifla, who's also one of the strongest saiyans in her universe, realistically why the fuck wouldn't Kefla be strong? I'm not even that much of a fan of her beyond fapping, but c'mon now, I wish people would stop acting retarded like it doesn't make sense
>>548150019I still can't believe they didn't put the Tamagami in Sparking Zero or Xenoverse 2. They're so cool.
>>548249683people conveniently forget how rapidly Broly scaled in his DBS movie because Kale is a woman. everything she (and by extension Kefla) does is 100% legitimate.
>>548249683If anything, her SS1 is surprisingly weak because of how strong Kale is. Fusion of two characters, yet her SS1 is below a SSB Kaioken Goku, and Champa even explicitly claims she only stands a chance because Goku has little stamina left. Then her SS2 somehow does a massive jump where it's compared to UI sign.
>>548247904Not true. Doesn't happen to any other hot character but her
>>548245967>>548247904I now remember that one doujin where 18 breaks vegeta's arm then forcibly rides him
>>548250773Checking our rule 34, it seems you're right. Only other characters who are comparable seem to be Chichi and Bulma, though Bulma surprisingly has less. Checking out rule 34, Chichi has a similar rate as 18 (Chichi with 12k results, 22 pages with "dark-skinned_male. 18 with 25k results, 49 pages with "dark-skinned_male"). Either way, 18 was always popular, even before the internet became obsessed with niggers. DB fans easily fall for strong women. Selipa and Zangya are cases of that, and 18 is like them but gets to be an actual character, so no wonder her popularity is up there.
>>548250143>Then her SS2 somehow does a massive jump where it's compared to UI sign. Her LSS power is naturally higher than a regular SS, the same as Broly. Her LSS2 would naturally be a bigger powerup than a regular SS2 I certainly am not one for wokism where female characters have things so much easier and upstage the male characters, but that is not the case with Caulifla, Kale and Kefla. They were literally made to be waifubait and to be marketable by Toei, not to "replace" the male cast or make a feminist statement. Toriyama fucked up by establishing that U6 saiyans don't know about super saiyan, so for them to be relevant at all they needed to get it quickly and this made people feel they were getting everything handed to them. Goku styles on and schools them constantly, with the excuse repeatedly given why they can pressure him at all is that he was still weak from fighting Jiren. And in the end they still get btfo in spectacular fashionThe reason why the shitflinging happened was because they made their debut around the same time The Last Jedi came out (and still in the wake of Ghostbusters 2016) and everyone was in a tizzy about new "strong" female characters coming to ruin franchises and humiliate the established male heroes, so they immediately seized on Caulifla and Kale with apprehension
>>548252652 oops, meant to reply to >>548250467 as well
>>548240439Who would win a battle royale?
>>548252074 It's primarily pajeets, Dragon Ball is very popular with them and 18 is of course a blonde white women. Once ai became readily available, a lot more of this slop started flooding porn sites as well
>>548245237>>548245439
>>548253343Samir has the best feats.
What about a 2D rogue-like like Forestrike where you play Kid or Teenage Goku on his way to a tournament?
What about a Vampire Survivors clone
>>548257227People begging for another OG DB game only for it to flop again when it releases. Surely the last tiem they tried convinced them.
>>548217503>GT is the Goku showExplain how Goku would go into the space without Bulma and Trunks then.This terrible argument fails when you realize GT started with Goku needing the others' assistance to begin with.
>>548261495>b-but 16 years agoGranpa, we don't care about your 'nam flashbacks
>>548146983shenron confirmed that apart from the bombs, they were fully organicmy headcanon is that once gero figured out the secrets to infinite energy, he coded a virus that would physically reconstruct their mitrochondria into perpetual motion machines, cell by cell. He never used it on himself because memory loss was an unintended side effect
>>548146254>18 at 8>17 at 13Yeah Torishima was wrong on this one. Toriyama was ahead of his time with the BRATdroids
>>548261495I don't really care about it flopping or not, I'm just mentioning game concepts I think could be fun and that I'd enjoy playing.
DB is now the 12th most successful franchise ever apparently. It has gained a few spots.
>>548270607Daima is too powerful...
>>548250467One thing I didn’t understand was how hard they tried to wank Caulifla in the anime and it felt so forced.Cabba had a strong base in comparison to Vegeta. He earned the SSJ1 and 2 via rage and determination. As much as the waku waku was just a quick shortcut for Caulifla’s super saiyan, she achieved 2 just as fast… and then nothing.Everyone kept wanking her as a genius but Base Goku was holding the advantage in that fight.It felt just schizophrenic how the writing went from Caulifla to Cabba. As if the former just wanted her to be known as powerful and the latter knew it’s more than just owning a transformation
>>548270607Also given Toei and Bandai's forecast for the franchise's revenue, they are very confident in the upcoming announcements.
>>548270987Powerlevels are extremely inconsistent in the anime, this never changed from Z days when noone took bigger picture into account wgen making filler scenes. When drawing his manga, Toriyama had some decent idea of how strong everyone is supposed to be, but Toei never had Chief Power Level Supervisor, the character will look as strong or weak as the person in charge of the scene/episode will deem appropriate. Ultimately, the series was done by committee, and it shows.
>>548250143>people conveniently forget how rapidly Broly scaled in his DBS movieAnon remember, lssj scaling upward isn't a thing. He scaled because he had a lot of power and didn't know how to use it, but was learning how to use it during the duration of the fight
>>548249683Personally I don't get why people don't suspend their disbelief simply because it's a fusion. People forget that Gotenks was retardedly powerful for the time he showed up just because he gets outcalssed by gohan, but he's able to let two seven year olds contest super buu, they went from vaugely frieza tier to strongest in the universe by doing a funni dance and no one gives a shit, why does kefla get a ton of scrutiny then?
>>548263421the weirdest thing is that if you do believe that 17 and 18 are fully organic outside of the bombs, which does seem to be the case, this means gero has two seperate means of infinite energy as 16 is fully mechanical and also has one. Though, when did shenron fully confirm that they're fully fleshy?
It's extra weird because 18 and 17 call themselves just "the infinite energy model" same as 16, despite fundamentally being completely different types of beings compared to Gero and 16. I wonder if toriyama hadn't considered them being upgraded humans yet or something? 17 and 18 also have the standard android eyes despite not being robotic either. It's just weird
>>548199161so many El HermanosWhat did Horatio mean by this
>>548270607 Wonder which ones fell down
>>548183756Is this what the insiders are chuckling about?
>>548272673maybe transformer? It's not really that big anymore these days
>>548161623Will Gohan ever stop getting raped?
>>548272673Maybe Batman, Spiderman or Transformers? Batman was on a REALLY bad run until the 'Absolute' run took off, Spiderman is still in hell with runs after runs everyone hate outside the Ultimate one where he's married to Mary Jane.Transformers is basically irrelevant lately and was completely overtaken by other mecha franchises.
>>548272673Gundambros...i thought Toyo and Anno made our fujoshit franchise more popular than Dragon Ball
>>548273000I don't think the comic runs have really any effect on spiderman or barman much, no one really reads those compared to how big the franchise is and only care about the movies.
Anno should work on Dragon Ball next
>>548273228he is, he's currently writing the angel rebellion movie of DBS.
>>548272256I took 16's particular self destruct to be a unwanted defected rather than a design choice, that is, his mechanical parts just can't endure his own upper outputs and he explodes
>>548273629Well that can't be because it was a specific mechanism that bulma explicitly removed. Also I wasn't talking about his bomb I was talking about the fact that 16 17 and 18 are all "perpetual energy types" despite being comlpetely different types of androids. Now that I think about it does Daizenshou say anything about the androids
>>548273140This, comic books themselves haven't really been relevant since the '90s at least, except when thry kill someone off for a few years ("Captain America dues!!!" 20 years ago made the news). Only a niche group of autists sctually reads them. Best they do is provide a basis for adaptation.
What did Toriyama have against SS3?
>>548274976Too annoying to draw.
>>548275409That's kind of his fault
>>548275409anything that requires an artist to draw a lot of triangles over and over again is an annoying piece of shit to draw, why did he make 3 so complicated
>>548158608 Genuinely I don't know why the wives in DB love their spouses. I guess i can understand 18 and Krillin because he saved her life and wished for her bomb to be removed and all
>>548275607bulma and vegeta didn't really love eachother at all till the buu saga timeskip and you're just supposed to vaugely imagine it offscreen. Goku and chichi just kind of feels like tradwife shennanigans and it feels kind of uncomfortable to think about
Honestly now that I think about it 18 and krillin feels like the most reasonable relationship just overall. Krillin isn't out training for 5 years at a time, he's home to be there with his wife and kids constantly, holds a stable job, and 18 and krillin do seem to genuinely love eachother. It's like the one relationship that isn't a bit of a headscratcher
>>548275689>Goku and chichi just kind of feels like tradwife shennanigans and it feels kind of uncomfortable to think about>>>/r/eddit
>>548275873Call me reddit all you want, doesn't endear me to Goku and chichi as a relationship, they have like zero chemistry and it just kind of feels a bit like out of obligation
>>548252074She is also easy picking since no one buys her liking krillin
>>548276010>Call me reddit all you want,NTA but I will.
I want an 18 wife
>>548276010Duly noted, I'm sure your r/friends will be delighted to hear your thoughts on the matter. Goodbye and good riddance.
>>548276010Most married couples have no chemistry with each other
>>548276010Eh i agree, chichi feels like she stayed with goku out of sunk cost and goku is too dumb to think his situation besides she cooks good
>>548276074 Doesn't help that in canon she's an unemployed gold digger while Krillin works a job and also cooks the meals. 18 just seems to take care of Marron and does nothing else
>>548276468>Can't capitalize Is properly>Agrees with retarded nonsenseChecks out.
>>548276343It would be nice if you actually engaged with what i'm saying instead of vaugely insinuating reddit to ebin counter my posts. But that aside there's just nothing really fun or endearing about goku and chichi. Chichi only exists as a character in her relationship with goku. Bulma, vegeta, 18, and krillin all have their own stuff going on but chichi's only character trait is goku's wife/gohan or goten's mom
>>548275607Toriyama did all of them as gags, you just have to roll with whatever he says, still its funny to think even vegeta admits bulma would cheat 100% if left alone
>>548277810wasn't goku and chichi done to spite his editor who wanted goku and bulma or was that just hearsay
>>548277810To be fair, he didn't say 'cheat'. He said 'lose interest', AKA she'll dump him and get someone else.
>>548278119From what Toriyama said, he found Chichi a pain to draw so he decided he'd force himself to draw her by making her Goku's wife.
>>548278238every time I think I understand the depths of Toriyama's autism it turns out there's still deeper to dig
>>548278238He couldnt make cell goku wife instead?
>>548266623>Was right about Gero and 19 being lame>Was wrong about 17 and 18 being lameYou win some, you lose some... tbf I don't feel 17 and 18 really worked as main villain material too...
>>548279460I think Gero could have been a fine antagonist, but I have no idea what toriyama was thinking with 19
>>548279628Toriyama likes to subvert expectations when it comes to creating strong characters on occasion, by making them small, not have many muscles and whatnot. Buu is similar to 19 in that regard, but with a much better design. And an actual personality.
>>548279628>I think Gero could have been a fine antagonistI wonder what he would be like as one. None of DB's other arcs had Goku face the meet the main villain at the very beginning... What I can deduce:>Heart virus would make Goku be out of commission>Maybe Gero and 19 would lose and escape>Instead of going to the lab, I feel Cell's whole "Run around cities while absorbing civilians to grow stronger" is something Gero would do to grow stronger>The others search for Gero but can't find him because he has no ki>Goku returns, realizes it's best to keep his distance from androids and uses Nyoibo on a rematch (Which would explain why he's holding it in pic related)>This may also be why Trunks had a sword, he came to the same realizationAnd then there's 17 and 18 as main villains... I have no idea. Assuing they had the same personality of just wanting to kill Goku for sports, they really don't really have this main villain motivation... Maybe Gero would be right about 16 being too dangerous and he would be the main villain instead?
>>548277052It would be nice if you went back to your hellhole.
>>548281919I imagine the fights with 19 and 20 would have a lot more grappling.
>>548281919it's hard to gauge anything from how they actually were in the series, as by the time both 17 and 18 show up as well as gero and 19 their designs had already been rejected to be the main villian.
>>548281919I think Toriyama himself had no idea. He'd just roll with it. Probably he'd create some minions for him that would show up later to job anyway. No DB arc had such a small villain roster.
>>548282359Saiyan saga had a pretty tiny villian roster unless you count the siabamen, which I doubt anyone really does as they basically got deleted after they killed yamcha
>>548272673Pokemon, Star Wars, and the MCU are all on borrowed time because the only people who give a shit about those franchises are millennial manchildren.
>>548283370anon those are all franchises that are just generally popular among all age groups. Except pokemon but that's because it's the newest of them all
>>548283694little kids don't give a fuck about Star Wars or Marvel/DC comics. maybe Batman and Spiderman specifically, but not the rest of the character group. I don't think they care much about Pokemon anymore either. When I see people buying Pokemon games/merch, it's almost always single adult men or the occasional woman (women are more likely to buy soft goods rather than the games) who you can tell from looking at them probably don't have families.
>>548284327to be fair there's somewhat of an epidemic of middle aged men buying up all the pokemon merch specifically to scalp it
>>548284424I was excluding the TCG scalpers.
>>548273058Didn't it have an even better year financially than Dragon Ball?
>>548288502as a gundamfag i'm honestly not sure how gundam keeps having these gigantic fiscal years, at the very least we're both suffering in having bandai namco in making our videogames
>>548288706Gunpla sales and other merch, probably. It's had some back to back success with recent series, and that's translated into more sales of merch in the long run, especially internationally.
>>548282083They certainly try to grapple, but mostly fail. Thing is, if they grab someone, they are very likely going to win, or at least cripple them.>>548282210>as by the time both 17 and 18 show up as well as gero and 19 their designs had already been rejected to be the main villian.IIRC, Torishima was reading DB as a reader and not an editor, so the chapters were published, he read them, and called Toriyama to say Gero/19 and 17/18 are garbage. So whatever changes happened a chapter after their debut.>>548282359>I think Toriyama himself had no idea.Likely. Toriyama improvised a lot and that's what made the stories engaging.>Probably he'd create some minions for him that would show up later to job anyway.I dunno, Trunks only says there were two androids...>>548282437>which I doubt anyone really does as they basically got deleted after they killed yamchaAnd they're only there to be used as a measuring stick, to show that everyone is stronger than Raditz.
>>548293895>IIRC, Torishima was reading DB as a reader and not an editor, so the chapters were published, he read them, and called Toriyama to say Gero/19 and 17/18 are garbage. So whatever changes happened a chapter after their debut.>toriyama having to redo his entire plots AFTER he already has the villians show upholy shit that's infinitely worse, I was always under the impression that they were rejected in more draft stages, that's complete ass
>>548288502>>548288706It's only for Bandai's fiscal year specifically. It hardly encompass ALL of DB's revenue.>>548294096That's why during the original print of the manga, Trunks mention 19 and 20 by name. Which was later removed.
>>548294096>holy shit that's infinitely worse, I was always under the impression that they were rejected in more draft stages, that's complete assI'm not sure if I'm right. IIRC the way it was talked on interviews, Torishima only saw the chapters after they were published. It would makes sense for that to be the case since Kondo was Toriyama's editor at the time, but Torishima was still working at Shueisha at the time so him seeing it beforehand wouldn't be impossible (Though, less likely, unless Toriyama sent a fax to him or Torishima was checking out his work before publishing for some reason).
>>548294096>toriyama having to redoHe didn't have to. At that point it was an advice.
>>548294958>I'm not sure if I'm right.You are right, Torishima was just a reader at that point.
>>548294581well yeah I know that, but I was always under the impression that 19 and 20 stopped being the main villians sometime between trunks saying that and them showing up. Not Torishima calling him to doomp it every time he tried to do a villian enter. Honestly though him seeing imperfect cell's introduction chapter and deciding that's not cool enough is terminal shit taste
>>548295447DB isn't a monster hunter series. Kondo remarked how surprised he was the readers didn't like the the Oozaru part of Vegeta fight which is probably what set their ideas for a while. At the end of the day, the readers wanted man-to-man duels.
>>548296189well yeah but vegeta is this giant ape man and giant fights versus normal people fights are always kind of hard to make work mechanically. Cell is just guy sized, if a little taller than usual.
>>548295447>Honestly though him seeing imperfect cell's introduction chapter and deciding that's not cool enough is terminal shit tasteKondo was the one who shit on Cell IIRC. Something like "He looks ugly, but of course, he can transform". If Cell initially couldn't transform, it would explain why Kami talks like Cell is stronger than the androids, but later Cell is explicitly below 17.
>>548296189>DB isn't a monster hunter series.Kinda funny since the last two final bosses we got were giants.
>>548296312The point isn't bad choreography, the point is that a fight like this is less relateable for the readers. >>548296774At that point, Toriyama just did whatever, no one would tell him "no".>inb4 IyokuIyoku made suggestions, and Toriyama accepted them. Everything we know about the relationship implies Iyoku being subservient to Toriyama to the point it annoyed people at Shueisha, he wouldn't force anything on him.
>>548302790sounds kind of silly to me. Like what do shounen readers in the 90s need their villans to have completely human faces to really get their waku waku off or something
wait a minute, is that why moro just became cell and lost all his goat features?
>>548303231Yes, that's the point, a fight between men. Coincidentally, Gohan's transformation theme vs. Cell is literally named "Soul vs. Soul".
>>548303484Might be, might not be. Toyotaro is just creatively bankrupt, he might have wanted to do a Cell repeat all along without any interferences.
>>548304298I dunno anon I didn't know people were so autistic that they can't see a fight as "proper" unless their villain is human enough, that's fucking stupid
also at no point would I classify gohan versus cell as "a fight between men" goku sure but that wasn't the thematics of gohan's fight remotely. Implying that cell isn't a souless bugman just because he has a human face now feels odd
Project #1 is a DBS remakeProject #2 is a Dragon Ball SD series à la Rock Lee and his Ninja Pals and Attack on Titan Junior High. Video Game Project is either Battle Peak or some half assed Musou.
>>548311723>we get new animated content>but none of it is progressing the franchise >*maybe* new merch but the video games will still be stuck on Z and the biggest parts of Super, Moro and Granolah are still locked away, and these two projects will likely be the last thing a few of the big VAs work onThere may as well be no new content at all. I know this is fake but this also seems like something Akio would do.The closer we get to January the bleaker the possibilities are.
The video game project will be a survival horror game where Goku hunts you down because he thinks you're the strongest. You can distract him with food or finding a phone to call Chichi so she scolds him.
>>548311723>Project #1 is a DBS remakeI don't get why people keep posting this idea.
>>548315465because they want super to be good
>DB Remake>live action adaptation>Hero Shooter
>>548314378they could've done that in breakers...
>>548322970I saw it
>>548323280I went into the wrong timeline
>>548317792>DBZ SD anime>Super Divers promo web series>Mario Kart clone or another mobile game
DBS really nuked Freeza's aura. it looks like Cell ended up better off for not having taken part.
>>548302790>At that point, Toriyama just did whatever, no one would tell him "no".Yeah but that was already the case back then. Toriyama was just generally a affable guy who took most suggestions.
>>548329996chichi being above bulma is not something I would have expected. Bulma is kind of low just in general desu
>>548330354DBS is probably tanking Bulma's stock too since she has Vegeta's balls in her purse.
>>548330354Chi-Chi was low going into the phase, finishing at #24 to Bulma's #13. You shouldn't take these results at face value. The structure of the poll will make some people disregard voting for their favs in the early phases if they're guaranteed to go forward and just vote for a side character they like. The two could end up switching places a few more times.
>>548330758I don't think i've seen a single person like bulma less for that. If anything it's the exact dynamic people want to see out of them. Pretty rich girl taming the wild man and all that
>>548331180there's a difference between taming and infantalizing and i fear we crossed that line somewhere around the time Bulma started threatening to stop giving him bath time if he didn't listen to her.
>>548332119You overestimate the austism of DB fans. Vast majority just went "lol lmao" and moved on, only few most sensitive vegetafags felt personally offended by that.
>>548332119what the other anon said, most people just go "lmao bath time" and don't take it as some kind of deep personal slight
>>548332119>around the time Bulma started threatening to stop giving him bath time if he didn't listen to her.I'm not surprised Vegetafags get offended at that, but that moment was hilarious...
What is going to happen for Sparking Zero Season 2? Do they add more Daima? More Tournament of Power characters? Pre-time skip Dragonball?
>>548333519GT OG Dragon BallVery cheap Super pack since all that's left for it are nobodies And then by then we should get a new series or movie.
>>548333519>Pre-time skip Dragonball?This one makes the most sense. For every other part of the franchise they touched, they picked the most important characters and left out lower priority ones. But with DB they went scorched Earth only opting for bar minimum. For Daima they have... Tamagami, Mini Piccolo and Shin, maybe Degesu, really "scraping the bottom" tier stuff. Even worse for ToP. Who would they add? First form Frost? Botamo? Two Namekians? But OGDB pack has potential for big hitters with Tao, Piccolo or Arale.
>>548333769That tracks. Pilaf Machine, King Piccolo, General Blue, OG versions of characters like Goku and Piccolo. Super 17. Shadow Dragons.>>548334104Tamagamis would be cool. Otherwise, yeah.
>>548332359>>548332597>>548333295>most people ignored itChi-Chi outranked her. doesn't look like people glossed over it.>>548333519i don't even care anymore unless they're doing a SDBH pass. they're out of gacha banner worthy characters to add except for MAYBE Super 17. i'd pay $24.99 for a good Hyourinjutsu Goku Black before i'd pay $24.99 for Sloppa Herpes or Daipa characters.
>>548334548>Tamagamis would be coolalso true and gacha banner worthy, i forgot about them for a second because Dragon Ball Magic made my interest in the series disappear.
>>548335286basing placement on a nonstandard popularity poll entirely on something I havent seen a single person take seriously until now on one thing only is peak autism. Vegeta himself is the subject of this infantilization autism you think is tanking bulma yet he's still number two.
With every source available to me… the games, the shows and movies, the developer tweets, the cookbooks… and THERE IS STILL NO WAY TO SEE GOKU DESTROYING A UNIVERSE, MUCH LESS A SOLAR SYSTEM! I’m FUCKING SEETHING that CHADku, who I have WORSHIPPED for 40 FUCKING YEARS, is so UNBEARABLY WEAK that he CANNOT BE SEEN DESTROYING ANYTHING TOUGHER THAN A PLANET. My HERO does NOT deserve this ridicule from 4chan, Reddit, and YouTube! He is EASILY BOUNDLESS according to my COMPOSITE FANFICTION and once he destroys a solar system, you’ll ALL BE FUCKING SORRY!!!
>>548336161He destroys universes in super
>>548336161We're upping your next dose.
>>548336669Thanks doc.
I just joined a raid with 3 (three / tres / troi / dwei) fridges in it, I've never seen more than 2 at a time! We even had 4 when I picked my fridge!
>>548330758Bulma's stock was tanked the moment DBS saddled her with that awful haircut for the entire series.
>>548336161Goku is indirectly responsible for the annihilation of an entire universe, including its afterlives, and potentially the multiversal structure surrounding it. all he has to do in any situation is remember the Zeno button and phone in a favor. the feat you want is documented. Goku takes Senzu Beans, the Power Pole, Nimbus, and the Zeno button into all what-if confrontations.
>>548339854>Goku takes Senzu Beans, the Power Pole, Nimbus, and the Zeno button into all what-if confrontations.–just like Batman takes all the equipment in his utility belt and Sonic characters all take 100 rings and at least one full set of Chaos Emeralds.
>>548339854>Goku isn't the one doing itKek. Literal fodder.
>>548340040>Sonic characters all take 100 rings and at least one full set of Chaos Emeralds.
>>548334548>OG versions of characters like Goku and PiccoloWanting more character bloat is why the game is the way it is.
>you isekai into dragon ball in age 749what do you do to survive prevent the bad future and Buu without changing the canon.
>>548350775I'm not sure what you're asking by "not changing the canon" What's stopping you from just filling in for future trunks. Like at most you just remind the Z fighters that the namekian dragonballs exist?
>>548350886aka you better not show up in a single fucking panel of dragon ball bitch
>>548350775If I get to isekai as a child, I would abuse Dragon Ball logic to learn martial arts like every standard self-insert fanfic.If not that, then I would make money gambling on the tournaments and live a life of leisure and comfort.
>>548351193just show up in one of the timeskips then? I dunno man that's so restrictive that I have no idea how you'd do anything
>>548351236Aren't the budokais pretty niche until the 24th? Im not sure how much money you'd get out of that. Especially since they don't happen very often. I cant imagine that youre going to make all that much more than the first place prize and assuming zeni matches to yen that ain't much
In retrospect this was a pretty stupid assumption on Gero's part. Not even humans seem to be slowed down past their 20s in this setting and he was just hard banking that goku would peak in his early 20s despite the fact that Goku isnt even human in the first place?
>>548358256wait, so they only scaled him to kaioken x 4? So how come 18 and 17 and 16 and Cell were so much stronger that they had to go beyond super saiyan? also why is gero refering to himself in past tense when 20 is him?Wait, in the future he also scaled to the battle with Vegeta when creating them the only difference between here and there is that instant transmissed from his attack ball and instantly vaporized Freiza and Cold and then died to a heart virus before the androids even attacked west city.How confusing moreso that somehow 18 and 17 can continue getting stronger enough to where 17 is now on par with god power in Blue Goku/Vegeta even in the manga he was that strong yet he, then Gohan, Piccolo and 18 working together were still no match for the Moro empowered Sangenbo and Moro himself took him and 18 out in one blow each
>>548358256I mean, he saw Goku's level against Vegeta (32k units of battle power) and made androids that not even SS Goku against Freeza (150M units) could beat. I don't think it's stupid for him to assume Goku wouldn't get like five thousand times stronger in less than 5 years.Hell, the Goku who fought Vegeta is only about three thousand times stronger than chapter 1 Goku, and only counting Kaioken, do you see how insane Goku's gains were in Namek? Nobody could expect anything like that.
>>548332119>It's infantilizing to want sexy time with your wifeYou can't be serious.
>>548358256It's even more retarded for him to believe that when Goku got his biggest power leap offscreen from Gero's perspective. He died, resurrected less than a year later over 10x stronger, and there is Vegeta who's even stronger without any training, and Gero believes Goku reached a hard cap? Because if anything you could assume Goku grows stronger as he ages.>>548358748>So how come 18 and 17 and 16 and Cell were so much stronger that they had to go beyond super saiyan?It is ridiculous yeah. He expected Goku to be nearing his limit, yet made himself so strong that Goku needs to go SS1 against him, meaning he stronger than base form Goku from Namek... And 16/17/18 are way stronger than Freeza.>also why is gero refering to himself in past tense when 20 is him?He claimed Gero was killed. For some reason he wanted a secret identity... While not changing his face so Bulma recognized him right away.>>548359148>do you see how insane Goku's gains were in Namek? Nobody could expect anything like that.The gains were insane yes, the problem is Gero's weird beliefs combined with how strong Gero is.>Believes Goku is nearing his limit in power>Makes himself and 19 strong enough to be way stronger than the Ginyu Force, Freeza's first forms>Makes other androids far stronger than even Freeza.What Gero did is the equivalent of creating a nuke to kill a kid... And even more hilarious, he fought Goku near mountains just in case he needs to escape. Gero's paranoia is unheard of...
>>548359148Hell let's do the math>according to the 7th Daizenshuu, Turtle Hermit's strength at the 22nd Tenkaichi was 139 units, while Crane Hermit's was 120>Turtle Hermit supposedly got stronger before the tournament to keep up with his pupils, and Crane's Hermit is his rival, so it's a safe assumption to say they used to be equals>this would make Turtle Hermit's power 120, and he trained precisely because in the Red Ribbon arc, Goku displayed a strength that made him wonder if his pupil had finally reached and/or surpassed him>therefore, we can guess the Goku who destroyed the Red Ribbon Army had only 120 units of battle power, same as the Crane Hermit and the Turtle Hermit before his training>now in the saiyan arc, a dozen years after the destruction of the Red Ribbon Army, Goku reached 8000 units of battle power, which would go up to 32000 units with the usage of Kaioken>from this data Gero could see Goku became 266.66 times stronger in the span of twelve years>and yet, after only three months at the hospital (where his powerlevel was unchanged, if not lowered from lack of exercise) and seven days of action, Goku's powerlevel (again, from the 7th Daizenshu) reached 150000000 units in Namek, thanks to zenkais and going SS. He became 4687.5 times stronger in just a weekGoku's power up from the saiyan to the Namek arc is 17.57 times greater and 625.714 times faster than the growth he had experienced in the twelve previous years of his life after clashing with Gero's organization for first time. And somehow, Gero's androids were still stronger than that, so strong everyone believed even #19 (the weakest of them) was one of the terrible androids who could kill SS Trunks in his introduction to the cast.Gero's measures against Goku are like if you wanted to kill a puppy but you didn't know if it would grow into a dog or a wolf... so you developed nukes instead.
>>548362950To be fair, from Chapter 1 to Roshi, Goku went from breaking a car to a moon destroyed, that's way more than just a 10 times boost.
>>548363119According to the 7th Daizenshuu Goku's power in the first chapter was 10 units (twice as strong as an armed man who lives from his heavy work in the countryside. And we know being twice as strong as someone is already overkill in DB). That means from chapter 1 to his battle with Vegeta Goku became 3200 times stronger in about 678 weeks (13 years). Meanwhile between battling Vegeta and battling Freeza Goku became 4687.5 times stronger in only one week of action.Even if Gero knew how strong Goku was when he left Mount Paozu and calculated that x3200 power increase that still took him 13 years. The android attack was 5 years after Vegeta and Nappa's arrival, had Goku kept the same growing rate he would have been what, like 44300 units strong? Let's say in those five years Goku somehow grows stronger ten times faster than before, instead he would be around 155000 units of power. Double that. Just to make it more absurd. 310000 units. And now imagine he creates Hyper Kaioken or something even more retarded and somehow becomes ten times stronger than that, he would be at 3100000 just five years after Vegeta.But no, he was at 150000000 just a week after Vegeta. And the androids are stronger than that.Gero was completely demented. I don't know how he didn't blow his brains out when Goku went SS in front of him. Not from fear, just from the mathematical impossibility of Goku being able to survive a single punch from #19.
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>>548364719>I don't know how he didn't blow his brains out when Goku went SS in front of him.And again, he had an escape route, >>548362298. Gero made himself hundreds of times stronger than the expected limit Goku would have, and still felt he needed an escape route, just in case... That's like bringing a bear to maul a baby, thinking it's impossible for the baby to fight at all, but still decide to have an escape route...
>>548362950>>548364719You're forgetting the massive jump he had from Raditz to Vegeta. If you factor in his highest power level from each fight (924 and 32,000), you get 34.63 in a single year. Where as before, you had 266.66 over 10 years. That's got to skew things a bit.
Leaks friggin' WHENFeels like if it was anything DBS related we'd have solid proof by now.
>>548384153Why would there be leaks? The series is in hiatus it's not even at Jump Fiesta this year, you'll have to wait for the April battle hour in 2026 for something and even then it's only game stuff like future saga 4, daima saga 2, SS4D Goku in FighterZ and some recycled units in Legends and other stuff, Sparking Zero and Breakers seem dead, given way to the Genshiki game. The suit with Iyoka hasn't even started the discovery phase or even seen the inside of a courtroom at all, the japanese legal system is just as slow as the american one if not more
>>548390281You could at least bother to read the OP for a general you visit...
>>548390572no
>>548383565Okay, I've crunched some numbers around this and if we assume Gero expected Goku to peak in his mid 20s, then he expected him to be at least in the 900,000s. Possibly 1.3 million at most. So if Gero made himself 10 times stronger than he expected Goku to be, that would put him at 100-150 million... which is as strong as SS Goku on Namek. God damn, no wonder he was shitting himself. Dude had every right to overestimate!
>>548390281It gets an entire Jump Festa event for itself in January.
>"2026 for DB is gonna be so HYPE!!">looks inside>pre-rendered announcements for 2027>DLC>DLC>DLC>DLC>Gachacrap>Gachacrap>Gachacrap
>>548395553Sorry anon, Dragon Ball Daima didn't sell 10 million figures of SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku, so the entire franchise is going to be buried in the dirt within a few years
>>548392290also something we're forgetting is cell. Why was he making something as retardedly strong as perfect cell was going to be? who was he supposed to fight? God? I mean, I guess perfect cell probably could beat shin, but still.
>>548397767Cell was a goal in itself, the perfect lifeform. Gero's dream.
Also I like the implication that if Gero just on a Whim because he was bored one day decided to check the camera footage and saw the fight between trunks/ goku and frieza he'd shit his pants so hard that the androids would probably all be buu level base, and then he'd still set the fight in an area where he could escape
>post EoZ stories never ever ever ever
>>548398556That's what GT is for.
>>548398556I mean the status quo shift as of EoZ is pretty much nothing by this point. Uub gets introduced and that's it. Goku can already go on wacky adventures with pan if he really wants to. Though, I expect that to more be piccolo's thing. If super ever comes back I want him to take pan and bra on field trips across the universe, like to beerus planet and namek. I think that would be cool.
>>548398556basically everyone involved in the series has realised Uub was a mistake but nobody wants to address it. anything set after EoZ would have to either include a wildly unpopular character in the story or write him out which would shit all over Toriyama's canon story. it really begs the question why he ever created Uub in the first place.
>>548398556If Toriyama isn't involved, I couldn't care less. And seeing as how he's dead, that's never going to happen.
>>548398720I don't get this schizo
>>548398916>Toriyama>deadIt still doesn't seem real to me, bros...
>>548398664That's not the point. Going post-EoZ allows to do a status quo shift.
>>548398916Yeah, Japanese manga culture really doesn't allow for quality content for old franchises. If you're talented, you strive to create your own story, not work on somebody else's. So you really just have corpo-types and secondaries that would work on Dragon Ball. DB should really be put to bed.
>>548395553i know, dude. it feels like shit.
>>548398556if only there was some sort of... Grand Tour after Z... where the characters explore space, and then upon their return have to defend Earth from a body-stealing alien parasite they brought back, a reanimated Android, and the cumulative karmic sum of all their Dragon Ball wishing...
>>548401398I'm not reading your fan fiction, anon.
Xenoverse 2 really has the ugliest clothing options of any MMO.I don't think it's even possible to make a namekian or male majin that don't look like a circus clown.
>>548398029>he'd shit his pants so hard that the androids would probably all be buu level baseAnd considering the insane growth 17 and 18 have, if he somehow outdid them, imagine a Cell capable of absorbing these other super androids... Although ironically, the more he advanced, the weaker his androids' base power became.>16 is the strongest>17 and 18 have insane growth, but their base power is below 16>19 and Gero are jobbers>>548398720>it really begs the question why he ever created Uub in the first place.Uub is just an idea to end DB in an "and the adventure continues" way, nothing more. If DBO is any hint, Toriyama didn' care too much about him either.>Gohan wrote a book explaining the concept of ki>Trunks made a sword fighting school with Goten tagging along>Krillin became a Turtle schoold dojo master>Tien became a Crane school dojo master>Buu created a whole Buu species>Pan rebrands a failure Satan martial arts course>Most characters are there when Freeza's army invades post Satan's death>But Uub isn't>He only gets alluded in a random NPC who may be his descendant in the majin village
>>548403714>DBOWhy not just make an anime based on this story?
>>548403714Gero not doing the 17 and 18 model stuff makes sense to me, 17 and 18 seem young and fit whereas gero is too old, so likely he cant do it. No clue why the fuck gero doesn't have the infinite energy stuff 16 has, though. In fact why does 16 have a bomb
>>548401538heh
>>548404403why not just remake the Heroes promo anime but with Beat as the main character? who knows. lately it feels like they're choosing their next moves by throwing darts at a board. lol
>>548404403Probably because Goku isn't the main character. I think DBO's quests don't have him around too frequently too even during time travel missions, or if he's around at all...>>548404575>Gero not doing the 17 and 18 model stuff makes sense to me, 17 and 18 seem young and fit whereas gero is too old, so likely he cant do it.Yeah I doubt that would work for him. He does assume that Goku reached his peak when Goku isn't even 30, so Gero, who's much older, likely wouldn't get much from enhancing himself the same way he did to 17 and 18.>No clue why the fuck gero doesn't have the infinite energy stuff 16 has, though.Yeah that's the part that doesn't make sense. 17 and 18 even point out the absorption model is an older type... So Gero came up with something as powerful as 16, and abandoned it, all under an "infinite energy type is too powerful to control", and while it makes sense he would rather not having subordinates stronger than him after 17 and 18 being failures, it doesn't explain why Gero didn't make himself into a 16 type...>In fact why does 16 have a bombIt's even sillier for 16 to have a bomb when Gero decided to not use him because he didn't want to risk seeing someone who looks like his son destroyed...
Toriyama explained why Gero didn't want to be turned into an infinite energy model in an interview. Basically, all of their cells have been converted into nanomachines. They are much stronger, but their is a massive risk that their mental sense of "self" will be list after the conversion. The future 17 and 18 are just vengeful killing machines that hate humanity because the nanomachines destroyed their minds. Present 17 and 18 still had a little humanity left. Gero took the less dangerous route and replaced his body with mechanical parts.
>>548405994nanomachines? didn't bulma say that they're bio organically enhanced or something like that? Maybe it's bio robots or something like that. As mentioned earlier why he doesn't have the 17 and 18 model style infinite energy works but him not having the 16 style infinite energy is the confusing part
>>548406198Toriyama said they were turned into androids at a cellular level. This is also why cell can absorb them and transform.
>>548406386at the cellular level, yes, that corroborates what bulma said. But she says specifically "Bio Organic" Which makes the androids more of an Enhanced Human type deal than cyborgs
>>548406802considering 16 is infinite energy and he is fully sythetic, some sort of synthetic modifications were used on 17 and 18s cells as well
also do you have a link to the interview on kanzenshuu or something
>>548406952While a valid assumption. It's hard to know because 17 and 18's models are so fundamentally different from 16's. Bulma also never remarks on 16 and 17/18 having the same infinite energy reactor or however this shit works when looking at all of their blueprints
I personally have a couple of cope theories that require a bit of mental gymnastics to make work. First that Gero only had enough parts to make the mechanical version of infinite energy work for 16, and for obvious reasons did't want to scrap him and reuse the parts for himself. He then attempted to make a more self sufficient biological version through 17 and 18 but realized he couldn't apply that to himself because he was too old, so went back to a version of energy sucking that was being developed for cell and just went with that
the second theory is that infinite energy in of itself is just kind of overrated, and energy sucking scales far better even if it has a lower baseline, as we see of cell. It's nice if you're fighting someone slightly stronger or equivalent to your powerlevel but otherwise it's just a bit of a gimmick
it's weird to talk about 18 and 17 like this when you remember they can procreate just like a normal human even through their powers far exceed them, they don't even have to train to get stronger they just do and at a much more rapid pace than a normal human does, just years of punching poachers but 17 beyond the power of a super saiyan god and just a few sparring sessions with her husband before the tournament of power put 18 on that level, that's crazy. I wonder why certain people are so desperate for humans to have awokening skills beyond potential unleashed when it's clear they don't really need it, just being an android is enough, imagine what will happen to humanity once 17 and 18's children start having children of their own, 17 has 3 kids, 18 has a daughter if they slut it up or even start breeding with say saiyans, human turned majin and maybe even core people since we know they are human like, earth's population could be the strongest in the uinverse after a millenia of sorts
>>548407812>it's weird to talk about 18 and 17 like this when you remember they can procreate just like a normal human even through their powers far exceed themBasically the easiest way to think about it is stop thinking about 17 and 18 like they're not human. They're human+ at worst. Think of them not like cyborgs or androids and more just like super soldiers
>>548407365Their cell have weird biomechanical nanomachines in them but it's not inheritable.
>>548408063 meant for >>548407812
>>548408063as bulma said, just about everything of the androids was enhanced by gero's procedure. 18's got that bio enhanced superwomb on her. We saw what it did with the cell juniors. If maron does one pushup she becomes blue tier
>>548408358Nope. Maron is a 100% normal human being.
>>548408458That's what you think, but once Goku tells her Krillin shits his pants her potential will go crazy
>>548408458>Maron is a 100% normal human being.You say that, but she suddenly grew a nose when she got older. She's a mutant freak...
>>548405994why are you literally making shit up
>>548395553How is DB the only anime that receives so much content in games?
>>548410949It's the king of anime. Aside from Pokemon (that started as games), nothing can quite compare to the depth and width of the phoenomenon.
>>548414258i'm probably wrong but it feels like people are less autistically passionate about dragonball than people are for a lot of other fanbases. Like almost everyone alive likes dragonball, but it feels like there's a lot less people willing to get into autism arguments like we do compared to other fanbases
Reekdom is trying to fan away nooticing from the spicier rumors. (Super getting Kai'd, DBSD getting an anime, etc)Nobody believed Torishima's opinion on what should they make as a rumor. Does he think we're retarded?
>>548416971what da hell did you just say?
>>548410643It's not made up. It's from a Japanese fan Q&A from shortly after BoG came out.
>>548417334If you weren't retarded, you would be giving him views past July 2019 if at all. He has a good reading of you.
>>548416971maybe because DB fanbase has already literally discussed like everything?
>>548417939that hasn't stopped mega autists like the tolkien, star wars, and ASOIAF fanbases
>>548416971DB has its fair share of autists, but the thing is, it's besides the point. Autists can support some expensive merch or something, but they're not worth making an Triple-A game for, there's just not enough of them. But DB rules among normalfags.
>>548417860Again, why are you making shit up, dumbass?
>>548395553at least Kakarot's DLC will be good visually. nuSS4 for FighterZ too, but if it's only a single character then he'll get boring fast.
>>548418263nigger I watched the fucking thing subbed and linked on /a/ years ago suck my balls
the console player mind must be studied for science.
>>548398916A good reminder that, according /ourgoat/ Nakatsuru, it was Iyoku's idea to make everyone kids again in Daima and not Toriyama OR Toei in the matter. Toriyama was only brought in to establish lore and world building, Toei ordered the anime for Iyoku.That's right, it was Iyoku's nostalgism bullshit once again. All the memes of Toriyama wanting to throw back to the pedo gag show was false. He was ourguy all along.Iyoku is the devil the franchise, next year is probably will be less exciting than 2024.
>>548417334>(Super getting Kai'd, DBSD getting an anime, etc)an SD anime will get a lot of brown and soi americans upset, kek
>>548418459Iyoku's idea was to make Goku a kid like in GT, then Toriyama came along and decided they should go all the way through and make everyone children.
>>548418042idk about gay of thrones but the other two have a gorillion things to talk about while dragon ball is way simpler. At absolute best (or worst?) people can only discuss shit like "kaioshins used to be called core people and now they're called glinds"
>>548418459>/ourgoat/but he let Senileyama desecrate the og SS4 design, now he looks like a Digimon oc.
>>548418820idk anon we've managed to come up with a topic of conversation to argue about every thread or so, and not all of it is shitting on multiverse.
>>548418459>>548418706Iyoku's idea was literally, and i do mean literally, making GT but again. He said it himself, that daima is supposed to be GT for those who always liked GT and have now kids to watch it with. If it was up to him it was literally gonna be GT kai and that would've been it
>>548418904He's /ourgoat/, not /ourspic/, he won't be mad the show isn't pandering to mexicans, come on.
>>548417334>DBSD getting an anime,Will it be like Naruto SD?The comedic crossover potiential for it is fucking huge. I can see dubbers having a lot of fun with it.
>>548418374So you won't explain why you keep making shit up even know. Got it.
>>548419093The new SS4 looks like Poder Prohibido with red hair, it's clearly made for gen z spics
>Super Kai>they're going to change up the original first few Beerus fights and include SS4ku and SS3geta in those episodes
>wastes all those resources on the Sandland anime failure without anyone's approval>responsible of Daima's daipa>is the reason the IP is in this weird limbo since Toriyama's deathHis intentions are pure but he's a blight to the franchise. Remove Iyoku forever.
Is Sand Land game worth playing?
>>548419984>DBS Episode 5 feat. DAIMA SS4>they keep everything the same just fir shits and giggles
>>548420402ye it's pretty cool, also it expands on the plot a lot (and some things play out differently)
>>548420402Yeah it's fun, ILCA excels whenever they're not held back by some retard crew of what so ever (fuck Game Freak)
I cant for the life of me find this fuckass nanomachine comment on kanzensuu, I don't think anon is lying about it but I can't find it myself. But I don't really know how to keyword search on this site through interviews
>>548418920>and not all of it is shitting on multiverse.Even when we shit on Multiverse, plenty of times that is a hook for another subject related to the manga (Such as what powers Buu actually has, how optimistic DB is, how skilled characters actually are, DB's godly bureaucracy, Goku's and the rest's regard for life).
>>548420178You're retarded. Without the First Minister of the Franchise, there would be literally fucking nothing since Shueisha wasn't interested in creating any new content. That's what the rift was about to begin with.
>>548422156trvke
>>548422156Whatever you say, Iyoku
>>548420754Nobody believes the bullshit anon (You) made up, you can stop searching
the Xenoverse 2 urge is growing strong again. i need the next Revamp update soon... ;-;
>>548426239I'm not the guy who made the nanomachine comment, I just thought I may as well take a look around through the interview archives just incase it was real. I even looked again and I still cant find it. I did find out that apparently Toriyama considers Yamcha and Ox King to be the best cooks out of the crew, though.
Sandland is neat, I wish there was a Goku secret boss.
>>548426294makes me want to write a doujin of the Majin Buu saga in Future Trunks' timeline. Instead of Goku, it's Future Gohan who comes back from the dead.
>>548417334Where did the SD leak come from? The DBS remake thing had some credibility as shaky and stupid as it is.
>first it was a remake>then a live action>now it's an SDIt feels like the potential project options get more and more bleak as the days go by. And we don't even know what the game will be.
>>548431597>high credibility>UnrealEntGamingName one thing this guy ever leaked.>inb4 "Geekdom said lol!!!"That can mean literally anything. Geekdom thinks the guy is a faggot.
will we ever get out of the post-Buu but pre-EoZ limbo?
>>548417334>Super getting Kai'dRetarded>DBSD getting an animeEverytime someone posts about this, they reveal how they haven't read it.DBSD is 90% recap. You may as well just do a full remake at that point.
That Future Trunks fancomic on DBM apparently ended, and I don't know why but I found this page hilarious
>>548431748it's all of those at the same time
>>548315465Be it DBS or DB/Z, a remake is a way for them to make it seem like they're doing something when the franchise isn't actually progressing. IDK if it's Super OR Z and DB, but I genuinely believe that's one of the projects. It's probably Z and DB.
Let's see what Torishima has to say about the "First Minister of the Franchise"
>>548434216The point of the franchise isn't "progress", it's merch.Doing DBS again isn't conducive for that endgoal of promoting new merch, you'd just be promoting old merch for a series that didn't get a particularly high rating share in the first place. Just redoing DBS would probably result in the first DB anime with a media rating share below 1%.
>>548434428That's from the KosoKoso放送 livestream. Torishima also talks about the new DB Store (yes, the one with art so atrocious it started a trend of redraws just to imagine how it would be if it wasn't pure shit)
>>548434712He compared it to the layout of a cheap furniture chain, poor materials, poor design. He even made sure to explain the poor choices of the store's design>The store uses an orange background for characters dressed in orange. Torishima explains that Toriyama used orange because the manga paper is white, creating contrast. Orange on orange cancels out the character. >Goku charging up the Kamehameha has an upright pose, with no weight on the legs.
>>548434972Torishima is known to be harsh but fair and to actually want the artists to improve and deliver a better product. But he seems to find this unsalvageable, the artist should be fired right away, since he gave his all, and his all was so bad.
>>548434428Torishima is a Shueisha shill, so his beef with CCT isn't worth considering (especially since Shueisha wanted to use DB for AI and NFT shit)
>>548432819They can do original skits in the SD format. Naruto SD didn't exactly follow the manga version either.
>>548434428>>548434712>>548434972>hates on Super>hates on Daima>hates on Toyotaro>hates on Attack on Titan>hates on Demon Slayer>hates on One PieceWhy is he so damn sour?
>>548435237He wants Nakatsuru to supervise the art of this so called Dragon Ball Store, he even used to do that for Arale. But Capsule Corporation Tokyo doesn't seem to care enough.
>>548435394>if they make a completely different series-Why even use the branding and deal with Shueisha at that point then
>>548435481He's clear about the new shop. It's slop and they are scamming fans, and the only ethical thing to do is to ignore their products until they get their shit together.
can you actually post some of the illustrations, tho?
>>548435397He seems like the kind of guy who's super harsh on something because he likes it a lot, or at least the potential it has.
>>548435826Have you been living under a rock? This shit was reposted everywhere as soon the shop opened.
I really want to believe that at least one of the projects is something good like a new series or a movie, or 2uper or Daima S2. I really want to believe they wouldn't skip Jump Festa and push back Battle Hour just to make an event where its two biggest reveals were a remake and chibi slop and the third is low effort Gachatrash.
>>548436024oh those. I saw it a thread or two ago but I don't think any anon talked about the context. I don't have a twitter or anything and I only get my dragonball news through here
>>548435826>>548436024Look at this shit, the guy couldn't even get the ki's light right
>>548435297AI would come up with better plot ideas than Daima in 10 seconds.
>>548435237i feel bad for whoever is the artist now but yeah, they somehow managed to be modern day uchiyama and man that's a feat>>548435397he's an hyperbole tard that got even worse once he stopped actually working on the thing, i don't think he ever said anything like this back then when they were also doing the very same things. Plus, he legit believes toei or cct or whoever should stop everything and make something with Vegeta in mind, as the protagonist, all cause he routinely reads online about people liking Vegeta. That's how far gone he is, though i guess a broken clock is right twice a day
Orange gi, orange background like Torishima said
>>548436157The game might genuinely be good (especially if it's Kakarot Super), but not sure about any of the new shows.
Final Goku form Toriyama created btw, and this is how the store presents it to the fans
>>548435297He is not, he's butting heads with them as well. He left Shueisha 10 years ago.>>548434428Who gives a crap about a washed-up has-been's opinion? If you go by opinions of the young Torishima, anything old Torishima has to say is worthless, a talking head who hasn't been on the front line in years and talks like he knows anything about anything.
>>548435397Toriyama's success really went to Torishima's head.It's the job of the editor to shit on the author's bad ideas, but now Torishima thinks he's the best editor ever and he should be the editor of the entire industry.
>>548435397He has a long-standing beef with One Piece since he wanted it rejected, but then it became a major success.
>>548436579I'm still scared it's going to be Battle Peak - that Chinese game that kind of looks like Kakarot. They didn't officially announce it, and it wouldn't be the first time a Chinese game went global.But making that shit go global while Strongest Warrior, despite being objectively better AND the first (in years) and last game to adapt OGDB would be a slap in the face. If it had lived, we probably would have gotten an adaption of the U6/U7 tournament, Broly and Superhero right now, something Sparking Zero couldn't do.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuIUOA6AtD8Kqg96-xeWJbJpOZ14kCYwOThis game would be so much better had it came out recently instead of 5-6 years ago.
>>548437971>something Sparking Zero couldn't do.nta but why did Sparking Zero do that? The entirety of Z got covered in 3 BTs, 2 RBs, and UT, why couldn't Super have gotten its arc and movies with Sparking Zero?
>>548438539Sparking Zero is obviously rushed, it probably needed a year more in the oven.
Do you guys think FighterZ is going to announce a season pass after the Daimaku reveal?
>>548435397He's the retired Daimao
>>548436521>That SS1 GokuKek. It's like DBS' first episodes.
>>548436521>>548436748I never looked at it too closely, but after reading Torishima's criticisms, yeah this is pretty fucking shit.
Dragonball feels like an IP that's been orpined and stuck with an abusive family, I bet you dollars to donuts it becomes like what Mega Man has become, bro doesn't get new games anymore he's just a cross over and remaster whore now. His latest appearance is in a fucking Sonic game and he doesn't even get a voice.
Looking back at Daima, I'm still so bitter that the fight with Tamagami 3 was amazing but 1 and 2, despite being stronger(?) were boring.
>Dragon Ball Store? More like Dragon Ball StopTorishima-sama I kneel
Why isn't Torishima ever harsh on Bandai and the studios in charge of the DB games for their mediocre effort and corner cutting? Naruto's then-editor literally complained to the CEO of CC2 about the "poorly modeled" feet.
>>548436748why is his head so small
>>548445381would've been nice for someone to have been harsh on them for XV1 not changing hairstyle when you transform, we could've actually had that shit for XV2 instead of waiting on revamp to do it almost a decade later
>>548445541Xenoverse was literally what I had in mind when I wrote that kek. Not just about the hair, but also the fact that it's idea of conflict is turning every other antagonist purple and/or weaking whoever was supposed to win in that particular part of the story when its premise opens the door for all sorts of interesting content.
>>548436748I saw someone post that that one was traced from a figure that recently released.
>>548445873I feel like something like that feels more like mandate from corperate than something the devs wanted to actually do.
I fucking LOVE Torishima holy shit. Iyokek BTFO
Akio is my hero until January when it turns out both the projects are bullshit that noone needs.
>>548445984Doubt it, it would probably look way better if it was
>>548446225It personally think they stopped being creative because they wanted to save those ideas for Heroes and now that Heroes is gone they're just gonna be lazy about it since the IP has more than established itself as being able to sell without doing much effort, as any corporation goes, minimum effort and costs for maximum profit, it doesn't matter if long time fans are disappointed and disgusted with how little content and care is put into the games as long as teenagers and young adults brainwashed by FOMO culture buy that shit while it's still being shilled by their favorite social media personalities for them to turn a profit, it's all about making the line go up it happens with every thing in this hyper capitalistic society of ours. Passion is dead, effort is dead, originality is dead. it's all a fucking sham all of it, this world needs destruction and recreation but the brainless masses will never go for that they are cattle, slaves, sheep.
>>548446225the future saga reeks of that what with not-ultra ego and not-black frieza, it wouldn't surprise me if the other two got their corrupted forms out of a want to do something with them too - OG jiren having a generic ki wave as his ultimate that you can now swap out for the USV move leaps to mind
>>548446912No fucking shit, Vegeta fires off a hakai like attack that isn't even in his moveset in a cutscene and Freiza legit hits the black Freiza pose and Broly is in control of his wrath form in this game but not his super saiyan and LSS forms, they want that manga content so bad yet until Shueisha lets them they have to sate their desires like this
>>548446882I doubt it, heroes doesn't really do very much with its time travel gimmick and instead focuses on its own OC stuff. I genuinely think it's as simple as the higher ups forcing the devs to not get too crazy with xenoverse. I highly doubt the IP has "established" itself as being able to sell with little effort when that was a known quality since the 90s
>>548448359>heroes doesn't really do very much with its time travel gimmickIIRC it only really made use of time travel during DBH, back when it had less of a story, but once the characters went to the demon realm to fight off Mechikabura, it mostly stopped. IIRC last one was after Mechikabura was defeated, where Fin briefly took over SS4 Gogeta in GT. After that Xeno characters only really dealt with demon realm, and CC characters didn't do any time travel at all.
PUREhttps://youtu.be/-3J0ovtt278?si=MfCqgFiZ0KYVzAdGKINO
>>548450438>feat. TeamFourStarokay at some point they've just gotta admit they couldn't think of anything for bojack
>>548450638>>548450638They did admit that, they also admitted they didn't like the Buu arc and were only doing it out of obligation until they just couldn't stand it anymore
>>548450438>TFSOh my christ, they're going to alienate so much retards in this fanbase.
Fucking WOW. I can't believe he got outted. Scumbag.Doto is the only DB gaming guy left huh?
>>548450438Watched it earlier, yeah it's pretty good. I did have issues with daima when it was airing but I could never fully put them into wordsSome of the writing in this feels too dark for dragon ball, but I like that some things are a bit more connected And there isn't too much of the tfs humor I've gotten tired of
>>548450747I didn't know tfs disliked the buu saga. I have my issue with it personally but I still like it overall. It seems like a really easy arc to make shitpost parodies out of too. Then again, by the end of cell saga it was becoming less parody and more fanfic
>>548450438lol
>>548450883What's this about? I don't keep up with drama.
>>548450438Daimasisters....we were robbed.....
>>548446656Torishima literally describing himself btw
>>548450438>Daima went into production while nothing was finished Wtf
>>548446656Does he realize Iyoku is one of his own dogs?>>548435297He hates current Shueisha too, he called their manga editors limp dick yesmen, especially Victory Uchida
>>548452071That's how DB should be btw
>"Now it's no secret a lionshare of Dragon Ball fans are there for the action and action alone">pic related Shots fired
>>548453068
>>548453284based TABLOS
>>548453284
>>548453284>e inmisericorde con sus enemigostablos was having uma sopa a little too delicia when watching anything dragon ball to ever think this
>"Echo de menos el antiguo Dragon Ball..."Translation: I grew up with YYH and DBZ on toonami, now i wish 90s Togashi made Dragon Ball.
>>548454130
Tablos >>>> Daima
>>548450438>feat. TeamFourStarWell, this is a better use for them, at least. Still have no idea why he chose to end his DB review series with a bunch of random DBZA clips interrupting it.
>>548453068Broly 1 has more story than 99% of DB movies that are literally just "random villain shows up and wants to kill everyone, no questions asked" again and again
>>548450927>Some of the writing in this feels too dark for dragon balli didnt even click that video but unless they have goku getting raped theres zero chance they wrote anything darker than Z already was
>>548457896to be fair, said story is really, really goofy and ends up largely not mattering
>new (public) releases by team densetsu on gamebanana>all just variants of characters that are already in SZ>both of which weren't exactly begging for moveset refreshes either like certain other characterslike, i can appreciate the effort, but...
>>548458882>Paragus comes up with this entire fake planet Vegeta for Vegeta to rule over>Trunks and the rest investigate>Find out they're just enslaved races>Vegeta meanwhile doesn't give a crap about any of it and just wants to fight BrolyThat whole subplot was so irrelevant.
>>548462006Anon is objectively correct that the broly movie has more story than anything sans like, wrath of the dragon or something. Yet it's just so absolutely nothing and irrelevant that it makes you wonder why they even bothered
Actually speaking of I think wrath of the dragon is the weirder one. As brought up last thread the entire advertising of the movie revolved heavily around the dragon fist and just, Goku has nothing to do with this movie. He shows up at the beginning to attempt to unseal the box and jobs to hirudegarn once but otherwise the movie spends a solid hour exploring the relationship between trunks and tapion, establishing that tapion's sword is one of the few things that can put down hirudegarn, and setting up trunks as tapion's kind of sucessor and a pseudo fill in for his brother and then the movie suddenly remembers this is supposed to be the dragon fist movie so goku comes out of nowhere to dragonfist hirudegarn and then it ends. It's bizzare.
>>548460142DBZ autism, friend
The best DBZ movie story is DBZ Movie 3.It's the same shit as every other movie, but the what the villains do and the usage of the genki-dama all actually tie together, and tie back to the opening of the film in a thematically interesting way.Sure, it's a bit weird that Tullece looks like Goku and that's explained in a, frankly, retarded way, but beyond that it's fine.
>>548464193Tree of Might, Fusion Reborn, and Broly 1 are all in contention for the best movies. I personally prefer Fusion Reborn. I also really like Super 13, though I'd never argue it's the best.
>>548464760I'm gonna get called gay for this but Honestly I kind of wasn't as into broly as I thought I was? seeing a one sided beatdown is fun for a couple of minutes but seeing it stretched to like half an hour it was just starting to get old. Couple scenes had some nice coreography but there's only so much you can do when the heroes literally cannot fight back essentially the entire fight. I think super broly had the right idea of having it be more back and forth
>>548466012the appeal of it is seeing a pure saiyan showing the absolute peak of saiyan-ness, everything Vegeta claimed to be, amped up to 11. SSJ2 and SSJ3 kinda stole Broly's thunder as the "saiyan to end all saiyans". I personally wasn't much of a fan of the Broly movies, but I get why most DBZ fans love the first one especially.
>>548450438>taking elements from AndorHoly KINO
>>548466516But I thought the whole point of Goku is that showing vegeta is wrong about what a peak sayain is, and a peak saiyan is actually more like goku than ultra bloodlusted psychopath.
>>548466786a lot of western fans prefer Vegeta to Goku.
>>548467057I feel even then people more like the literal propaganda version of vegeta that he spread of himself, as within the actual series he's kind of pathetic
I picked up Sand Land (game) today and I'm genuinely surprised at how moody the game starts off with compared to the anime. Anime gets you pretty much in the action already but the game takes the mood to show that the world is really fucked and everyone is suffering. I think the music and slow burn is really adding to it. I wouldn't be surprised if it continues like this that I'll end up preferring it more than the anime.
>>548469154Talk to the NPCs around towns, especially the demon town, you'll find extra lore that's nowhere else in the manga, movie or the anime.
>>548436748db fancomic artists draw a lot better than this
>>548471896someone pull up the bojack special from multiverse
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>>548472773>>548473315
>>548473315man i remember when this shit came out someone was doing a batman edit of the whole special, it was hilarious, shame the pages were saved on an old image server site
>>548436748That's not SSJ4 Daima
>>548481301that was Dementiayama not Toriyama.
>>548483813/co/ is that way.
>>548483847why would i go to a comics board to discuss Dragon Ball and its vidya? take your meds, schizo.
>>548481301This is like sincerely trying to mark Ric Flair's last AEW appearence as his retirement match instead of when he fought Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania. Ric went out there to die in the ring, not because he was still any sort of shape to put on a match.
>>548484281>>548484401You really need to just go back to /co/
i wonder if DBO fans are like XV2 fans and keep going, "DBO2 any day now... just you wait and see...!" lol
>>548487341>"–and Toriyama wrote the story, so it was sort of canon until Super sprung into existence. it was hundreds of years in the future and most of humanity was at least 1/10th Saiyan. huh? most memorable raid boss? uhh... did i mention Toriyama wrote the story? so it was sorta canon until Super sprung into existence? they're gonna announce a sequel any day now."
>>548487810>and most of humanity was at least 1/10th Saiyan.That's not a thing. Only the player characters specifically had saiyan ancestry. The rest of humanity is the same as usual.
All the Dabura buff did was make the bad tanks worse nice game design there, Toshi.
>>548491735Almost like they have a vested interest in pushing you to buy the OP tank
>>548491814Why did I let myself get invested in ANOTHER game ran by this smarmy cocksucker.
>>548492030Come on now, goyim, surely you want to support Dragon Ball’s future right?
Right now Bulma Bike is free and Expert Bike Jump is a three star skill. And few are running both to key rush, civ rush, ball rush every game. It's not as fast at key rushing as Nimbus + Expert Bike Speed + Expert Bike Item Recovery but it's almost as good and it requires very few gacha pulls to get and you don't need to buy a skin either. And you can even drop Bike Jump for a slower but still faster than most premades rush to have access to all four passive slots.boggles my mind just how braindead breakers community is sometimes. and then they all pay up for puar bat and etm. 99% of the games they are doing this in would be infinitely more winnable if they just used the free to play stuff to actually get civs up quickly.
>>548493616To be fair, if they were smart, they wouldn't be paying for microtransactions.
>>548494984Absolutely nuts. I got into an argument the other day regarding balance with one of the 'best' players in the game and I have had a headache ever since thinking about it. Just could not understand how often solo queue is forced to do more with less because they are forced to run TPD every game to avoid fail states, forced to run some form of rush to again try to make up for useless teammates or teammates who aren't useful until STM descends, etc. And the nodding from others who should know better as he went on and on about it annoyed me even more.
>>548496081Sounds like the same kind of stuff I hear about Dead By Daylight.
someone edited USV Freeza to make him look more like Black Freeza and goddamn it is a shame this isn't what we got.
>>548498813
Started playing GS this season with the goal in mind of getting all my characters to 10 wins in Standard Battle (or at least 20), with the rule that I'm not allowed to use a character who crossed the treshold until all the characters of the same role have 10 wins. Has been pretty fun so far, helps break the monotony when you're not bothered by the meta. I'm currently 6 down.
>>548419080>we almost got actual SS5Phew.
>>548481301SSJ4 Daima is made by Nakatsuru too.Literally no proof Toriyama made it.
When the fuck are they gonna release the Badman Vegeta skin from the beta?
>>548505290>everyone says it was made by Toriyama>literally no proof it was made by Nakatsuru>b-but I don't like it sobit was not made by Toriyamaschizo
>seething so hard he typed sobit instead of so it
>>548506597Where's the reference art then? Why are they hiding it?
>>548507394there's no reference art for super saiyan 3 vegeta either daima is non canon toriyama had no hand in it anymore than he did in super hero his last work was broly
>>548507697They learned the trick of recycling old sketches into actual forms. Technically Toriyama did come up with the Daima SSJ3 version, but it was on Goku, not on Vegeta.
>>548507697You behve as if we had Toriyama's reference art publicly released for every thing he ever designed. Which is just not true. The only thing you have is schizophrenia.
>>548240030will he be able to get out of bounds like kid gohan?
>>548506894I came here to check on you fags after like a week and this guy is still here melting down daily. Sad.
awww sweet a schizo thread
>>548509308They would capitalize on his SS3 Vegeta / SS4 Goku designs if they could. Except they can't, LOL.
>>548509308>Toriyama art for SSG, SSB, MUI, every main DBS villain, and mini android 18>None for the main forms of DaimaUse your brain. Stop coping.
>>548513716why would he design only mini android 18
>>548514316He did a few more but that was the only one 8 remembered
>>548514475>no KidelI will for ever seethe
>>548515960Why do you think I want to be a woman? Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
>>548515960Okay? Women are inferior to men anyways. Why would I want to be the weaker dumber sex?
https://youtube.com/shorts/7vYzYLZFpI0This will be canon next year btw
Reminder: saying the R word is banned from these premises.
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>>548518967*ed*ibbonbros...
>inb4 sudden goku female posts
>>548513716Please point me to OG sketches by Toriyama of the following>Jiren>Toppo>Dyspo>Ribrianne>Super Broly (base and Super Saiyan)>Cheelai>Lemo>Super Gogeta>Gohan Beast (both the final design and original concept Toriyama discussed)
>>548521286>JirenBOOM.
>>548518190No it won't. And even if they ever animated something like that, it would be their headcanon anyway. It did not happen in any of the 3 versions of BoG.
>>548522958It's not an OG sketch, it's a correction of an image for Toyotaro drawn months at least after Jiren was designed. Point me to the original design by Toriyama Toei and Toyo were basing their depiction on.
>>548513716>It's this schizo againYeah bro, they lied about Toriyama designing new forms, even though Nakatsuru literally did design SS4 back in the day and it was an incredibly popular and successful form, and everyone knew he was the one who designed it. I hate schizoids like this, you're not just annoying, you're also uninteresting. They should put you in a concentration camp.
>>548518190I can see it
>>548532180Loli-zuli uooh
>>548533924>>548534146dirty shotacon
>>548533924>>548534146based shotaGOD
>>548533924I counted to see if it's accurate. There are indeed 20 panels of his wiener. However, there are two panels from Goku's back where his balls are visible, but not his wiener, so there are 20 panels of his wiener, 22 of his balls.
>>548536836Consider your job well done.
>>548536836these are the kind of quality posts /dbg/ has been waiting for. Truly we are the elites of this board
>Draws 20 panels of Goku's wiener>Can't draw boobsCensorship is weird.
>>548533924>>548534146>>548536836Proof that she understood Toriyama's vision
>>548539740
I wonder if Naho Ooishi's friend teased her over this again
>>548538091the pubertis state. Goku is a little kid, and kiddy dicks aren't sexual like adult tits are. same reason little girls can go around topless in public until their titties start to pop. you'll never get a panel of adult Goku's dong flopping around, either.
>Naho Ooishi had Pan punching Future Trunks onto the moon>DBS had Trunks struggling against baby PanRespect THE STRONGEST
>>548541774Well hey, now Trunks can finally say he saw that rabbit on the moon that Cell was talking about.
>>548541774>the way she's peeking up from the bottom of the panel in the second to lastmy heart, it can't take it
>>548150621>taller21 is already huge
>>548522958That's literally from Toyotaro, with slight correction by Toriyama.>>548506597Stop taking the bait.
>>548543279In Heroes, her model is taller than even Goku's or Vados... I wonder if she's taller than him in FighterZ too.
>>548541774DB SD is so funny. They should make it a short spin off animated show or at least a bunch of online shorts.
>>548540294>and kiddy dicks aren't sexualThen why was Daima so scared of that??? >Goku takes an off-screen bathpathetic
>>548543869I like how she did Piccolo Daimaoh's arc.
>>548532180But... those Goku and Krillin are from the year of training before the 21st Tenkaichi, which was BEFORE Goku and the Red Ribbon army interacted for first time, why would Gero know him this early?
>>548538091Because boobs are boring and unappealing.
>>548547403No children cock, no care
>>548548557Hey that's just just not true, Oishi cares about other stuff besides children cock. Like adult cock. In another adult guy's ass.
>>548547403DB SD has multiple arcs meld into one.
>>548548884okay but why do vegeta's legs look like that
>>548548884>Toriyama looked at this and said "I want this woman to have a mark on my legacy"
>>548549914And he was right.
>game crashes while playing Kale>hurry to get back into the game>later>game crashes again>hurry back in>still end up winningFucking hell
>>548538091Twitter would have claped at this
>>548549914No one say he's good at choosing a good protege.
>>548549914Still more talented than Toyotaro
>>548522958>Toriyama gave Jiren the ass definition
DRAGON BALL IMITATORS RANKED ON HOW GOOD THEY ARE IF THEY'RE NOT LISTED HERE I DIDN'T READ THEM/DON'T GIVE A SHIT>Nakatsuru (Best)>Oishi >Youngjiji (uncanny valley not really that good tier)>whoever draws DBM currently (doesn't look like DB at all tier)>Toyotaro's promo art (also doesn't look like DB at all tier)>Toyotaro's manga (holy fuck)
Toriyama has no successor.
>>548547070>off-screen bathThis was 9/11 to panzyfags btw
>>548551806>Goku was too loyal to Chi Chi to tap thatYeah right.
>>548550829Kek, had the same with SSku. Luckily, managed to throw a Genki Dama right before the second crush which secured as a Triple Boss KO.
>>548551806>That glowThey totally fucked in that bath.>>548551394>(also doesn't look like DB at all tier)It looks like discount Murata for some reason. Between him and the Kakumei guys, I don't understand why some DB fans are so obsessed with that art style.
>>548552737idk i've never gotten the impression that Asura was going for murata style realism. Like sure it's more detailed than standard dragonball stuff but it's extremely cartoony and isn't going for "realism" in the same way kakumei does
>>548552929I didn't mention Asura.
>>548553113I just kind of assumed you were talking about him since you mentioned kakumei, which is also a fancomic. The manga doesn't have murata vibes at all but I think I can see that with the promo art with how detailed he attempts to do the muscles sometimes
>>548551394You forgot someone.
>>548551394what about the GOAT yamamoto doujin??
>>548543279so? She could be taller and more buff. I refuse to deny the super 21 agenda that I made up entirely in my head
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