Factorio modding is pain. Here's my experience so far :
>try to tweak the rocket rush scenario, in such a way it would only unlock a subset of researches, instead of all.
>notice Any Planet Start is not compatible at all with the base scenario
>I add a space platform using the map editor, so that the player can travel to wherever he wants right from the start.
>It breaks the map setting menu...
It's so tiring.

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>>549597001
>the OP pad is fucked
Which part? It works fine for me.

Welp, my phone battery is starting to swell. That's not good. Hopefully it can last a bit more. I need to get a new phone anyway.
Any /egg/ approved advice on what I should look for in a new phone?

>>550031296
unfunny.

>>550035484
You haven't baked your own thread in a timely manner. You don't get a say.

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>>550037929
There is no "timely manner."
Threads are made when, or if, they are needed. You make a thread not because you wish to continue making a thread, but because it serves a purpose.
Your are blind and arrogant and believe in a false golden egg.

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Am I doing it right?
It doesn't feel right to me.
(the mod is Rubia)

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I've had this problem with caravans for the longest time that I would have to manually fix every now and then and I think I've finally managed to handle it correctly.

>caravan feeds 4 outposts from 2 main hubs, x and y
>default status is "fill cargo from x"
>interrupts are triggered when outpost has less than 100 of item
>secondary interrupt that can interrupt other interrupts to refill cargo from y when x has less than 3k items and caravan has less than 100 items
Everything would be fine until two outposts ran out of item at the same time, which meant that my caravan would
>go to outpost 1 to empty cargo
>secondary interrupt would not get triggered for some reason
>caravan would rush towards the second outpost to fill up, but with an empty cargo, and stay forever in wait there because it has an order to fill it up to 3k, but doesn't have the 3k

If I manually triggered the refill interrupt it would fix itself, but that meant noticing there was an issue in the first place.

I tried to tell it to just "empty cargo" thinking the worst that could happen would be that it would use twice the jerky in these situations because it would
>try to unload
>realize it can't
>trigger interrupt
>load
>go back and unload, repeat
forever getting stuck in ANOTHER loop in that case, even worse because it would get stuck in a loop forever eating 1 food every time, then go back to the main feeding outpost and repeat the process.
Now the secondary requirement is <100 (item) + caravan has 3k of (item)
this seems to have fixed the issue because the priority then shifts directly from emptying its cargo, to going back to fill up its cargo, realizing the cargo doesn't have enough and then triggering interrupt y.

I thought about using two caravans but it just created even more problems with them servicing a request twice. Using 2 caravans, 1 for every 2 outposts, was also suboptimal because of the different timings it would either idle a lot or actually be starved while the other was full.

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>>550035292
I normally advocate using an android phone or something similar because it allows you to run adblock and sponsorblock on your browsers, as well as more easily side-loading programs, music and other files without having to go through Apple's proprietary software. Also they usually have an expansion slot for a storage card.

However, Androids seem to be fighting against sideloading right now and are starting to make phones without SD card slots. So really, I guess nothing matters anymore. You're going to buy what's available and like it.

generals were a mistake

>>550043812
More like : the very nature of an anonymous imageboard made it so it couldn't stand the trial of time.
Not in a world inhabited by 8 billions asshole. The more of them get their access to the internet, the worst 4chan's situation gets.
There's no good way to cope with it.

What are some good bioengineering games?

>>550053252
Same as the last time you asked

I've taken a look at powergen for tier 2 power plants and above and man

they really kicked coal in the dick in the later tiers
starting from tier 2 coal outputs half than all other power plants, while biomass gets a huge buff
biomass 1 gives 20 salt
biomass 2 gives 40
coal 1 gives 25
coal 2 gives 25 still
biomass 3 gives 60
coal 3, you guessed it, 25
tier 2 biomass is actually much more powerful and extremely easy to fuel, and only 20% less energy dense as the fuel oil or gas recipes
oil2 is meh, it uses fuel oil which costs titanium, which is suboptimal
gas2 is decent, it uses refined natural gas which is easily made in bulk from basic resources
I'm not even going to talk about the tier 4 recipes because by then you have access to better methods of creating ludicrous amounts of power than spamming tiered power plants, but even at tier 3 biomass is much superior to coal, only 20% less efficient than gas (requires activated carbon plus the previous gas tier) and oil (diesel is just doubly distilled aromatics by then with a smidge of chromium, not expensive in the slightest but still less efficient than biomass)
Did I also mention that biomass 3 costs half as many blue circuits than oil and gas 3 for some reason, but biomass 2 costs twice as many red circuits? They nerfed it in an interesting way.
Overall I'd say that gas2 is is worth looking at given the added +20% efficiency of each pwoerplant and the halved red chip costs, but by py3 it's just smarter to completely convert to biomass power.

ended up with a silly setup with an aqueduct "over" a reservoir and looking at how fast the water travels through I was thinking I should be greedy and plop a wheel on it. I'm already dealing with waves and floods all over and I'm kinda worried putting in a wheel will cause water to build up and spill out the sides and onto the reservoir. not ideal since the point of the aqueduct was to get rid of badwater without contaminating the reservoir.

any one know how to get a proper feel of waves, flow, water buildup and shit?

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>>550055108
forgot pic, like a retard

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What does it mean?

I like boiling water.

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>>550042364
NTA
>android blocking sideloading
Is there a way around this (custom ROM?) or am I just fucked?

>>550058954
They caved weeks ago. There's a "dev" option to re-enable it already.

>>550062053
oh, nice

>>550035292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c

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>>550055108
>>550055993
well, nevermind. seems as long as I remember to flush all the clean water out of the aqueduct the badtide will just flow fast and low, so a wheel should be perfectly safe here

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just how the h*ck am I supposed to fix this

>>550078234
load save

>>550031296
Omelette _au fromage...

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Fucking finally. I had to upgrade steel production to an absurd degree but it's finally time for the botpocalypse

It's really weird that in Space Exploration's early game you only need a handful of miners on everything but iron which needs every single miner you can possibly get. Even LDS needs far more iron in the form of steel than copper. Thank goodness you don't need iron for circuits

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I don't know what the hell i'm doing and I don't think I am mentally equipped to figure it out.

also what planet should I go to first?

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>>550031296
I still want my money back

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>>550090560
that ain't shit
>watch this

>>550091280
>600 peak
never heard of it

>>550090026
if you need more resources, vulcanus
if you need more genocide, fulgora

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Do all 4 of these need to be populated for the thruster to work?

>>550066102
that's cute
It's basically fairphone but without the whole "this will save congolese children" thing

>>550090560
the moment I saw
>woman dev
I knew it was the kiss of death
They wanted player run economy + everything takes ten trillion years
when I pointed out that a dogshit pve means their economy will be geared to pvp alone, they didn't understand

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>>550066102
oaky fuck you though why would you post this if it died literally 10 years ago
they don't even make phones anymore

>>550098001
>embrace, extend, extinguish

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>>550096162
No. The double-triangles indicate they're passthrough connections, like in boilers and steam engines. Fuel and oxidiser can flow in one connection and out the matching one on the opposite corner. You can place thrusters next to each other and mate the matching connections to share the fluids.
you can't flip them though. Wube wants you to make uneven or zigzagging thruster layouts that look more interesting than just a solid row of thrusters.

>>550098059
the webpage talks about
>puzzlephone
(site doesn't exist anymore)
>fairphone
(already know about it, best option but price is kinda high because it keeps being enshrouded in moral signaling compared to just making a phone that works)
>essentialphone
canceled after a lukewarm receival of v1 because it was kinda bad
literally the only modular phone right now is the "organic" option

the only good thing is that the EU mandated replaceable batteries by 2027 so just get any kind of shitphone, clean it and slap graphene on it and you're good

>>550098431
I've played a few game like that, where the dev tried to force the players to make "cool looking" ship.
It always fail, because they always end up strapping the most retarded and inorganic limitations ever on top of an otherwise okay-to-great system.

I was trying to update py manually trunk but apparently it's impossible through github alone because any of the pygraphics changes are only available on release, which meant that AE's new train graphic on elevated rails breaks the mod at loading screen because it's calling for something that isn't available
kind of annoying if you want to check stuff out yourself

>>550071218
>>550055993
that's very cool anon, I did something similar, but having the aqueduct on top of the reservoir is kinda novel
also, you can just do a 1x height and then a bunch of wheels, pretty much top power all the time
not exactly easy to build though

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Should I address this? I could stick greens in everything to lower pollution right?

no

>>550108202
Why reduce pollution when you can make more weapons

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>>550108202
The elf way is the coward's way out.
Real engineers just build more dakka.
(joke aside : I'm actually on team elf, in my all my playthrough)

whats the mod that trims py sprites?

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>Let's try Rime asteroid I bet that'll be fu-

>>550021493
Yeah that was meant for power saving. If you're maximising UPS there's obviously no reason not to just have them at full power all the time.

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>>550110858
>Oh well at least there's some unfrozen oil around her-

>>550110895
Considering that you were quoting a 1 hour+ long video 'tisming about ups maximization, I figured you were talking about that, my bad.

>>550090026
Both vulcanus and fulgora provide you with extremely useful buildings. But they're both relatively short if you just want to set up a minimal base and not fuck around forever, so it doesn't even really matter that much which one you do first, I'd even say you should probably do both and then come back and start upgrading nauvis with the new toys you've unlocked.
Fulgora also gives you the best armour in the game but that's almost secondary compared to the production buildings unlocked on both planets. Also vulcanus worms shit on your armour for some reason because the devs decided no fun allowed.

>>550098431
>cool looking
Arguable, a diagonal layout is only very marginally more interesting than a straight one and it quickly becomes boring when every single ship has a diagonal or V shaped engine row

>>550111218
I mean I was but in this context it should be clearly useless, I was just quoting it because it explained this mechanic that I had never seen mentioned or documented anywhere else before (and the guy says he talked to someone with source code access to get that information so it may have never even been documented before). So I was wondering about potential to cheese the mechanic itself since 2s seems pretty infrequent for power checking.

I really do hate animal food recipes
minuscule amount of items required constantly
6 fucking caravans for 1 assembler

>>550041107
>>550111498
Dafuq is a caravan?
It looks like a land-based space platform, no?
Isn't it a just an extra cumbersome way to do logistic?

>>550111674
Don't worry about it.

>>550111792
I'm worried about you, actually.

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>>550111858
once I've got my arquad queen cycle going I'll be on track for py2 less than 150 hours in, I'm peachy.

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sounds cool at first, but i'll just end up staring at LED lamps forever
blackouts would be funny though, especially when the base gets bigger

>>549558878
>>549569137
I tried building this again. On the POL input side, what matters most is the volume of gaseous pol in the pipe. Running it near 60mpa and adding a bunch of inline tanks gets me to about 0.5L of liquid pol per second, which seems to be enough for two(and change) evaporation chambers. They're each showing a cooling value of 13KJ, but with the input POL at 130C they can only go down to about 55C. After that it just eats liquid pol to oscillate around the same temp, the new pol coming in heats up the system by as much as the heat it removes when evaporating. Whole thing takes 250W for the POL input that's a powered vent and a back-pressure regulator, 2x200W for the evaporators and 50W for the IC housing to automate everything.

So you'd probably hook this up to some large thermal mass, and use that as a heatsink for A/Cs or Wall Coolers inside the base.

https://files.catbox.moe/d0t4ik.jpg
Is this a bug? Should I report it?

>>550115059
Vanilla? Or modded?

>>550115059
why would a signal have quality?

>>550115908
100% vanilla
>>550116574
I mean, why not?

>>550114759
Scavenge the output of the evaporation chamber and recondense it at around 5 - 5.5 MPa, venting the excess. Blowing 55C pollutant into the atmosphere is what consumes most of your liquid pollutant.
It will lower your total cooling capacity, but it will be much more efficient at keeping a certain temperature. I found 70C works best for running a single AC off of it.

>>550114759
Oh and if you're having problems with producing the liquid pollutant, try running the following setup
Active vent -> large volume pipe network with condensation valve -> pipe valve -> small pipe network -> pipe valve -> passive vent out
It dumps the heat into the waste stream going out, if you find a good ratio between the volumes of the large and small network you'll hit something above 6 MPa in the large network, at which point going higher doesn't speed up condensation as far as I could tell. No heat exchangers required.

>>550119956
Sorry, instead of pipe valves I meant one way valves to prevent any backflow.

>>550119956
are these posts going to trigger another spam though

>>550108202
Put them first on refineries then the mining drills. Then swapping from boilers and electric furnaces next if you still want a smaller cloud.

>>550119956
You mean to save some power by not using a regulator? I did see a linear-ish increase in latent heat when increasing pressure in the gas pipe far above 6Mpa. Which should mean more condensed pol, but it's hard to actually measure.

>>550098001
It was more of an idea guy concept, the project was to put it in people's minds and to hype it up so companies would give in to the pressure and work on it. Unfortunately they didn't count on tech companies not caring for the customers opinions, only google jumped in for a bit before removing "Don't be Evil" from their code of conduct.
Now at the end of 2025 you better get a new phone before the tech bros find out there's ram inside phones too

>>550120743
Saving power, cheaper, simpler, more resilient in case of misclicks or someone in multiplayer adjusting the backpressure regulator for whatever reason and blowing up pipes as a result.
>I did see a linear-ish increase in latent heat when increasing pressure in the gas pipe far above 6 MPa.
Big if true, I should test again. If so then the volume ratio can be adjusted to increase pressure far beyond 6 MPa.

I didn't realize how much of a hindrance my parents were until I moved out.
I can finally play factorio in peace.

>>550127618
Remember to tidy up your place once a week. And to shower daily.
Also, call your mom once a month to tell her you love her (even if you don't). Same with the dad, but once a year.

>>550128126
>Remember to tidy up your place once a week
I clean my apartment every day. I did all the housework when I was still living with my parents. I'm mostly glad I don't have to use the shower at my workplace every morning.

>>550129535
Sounds tiring. I get it.
My situation wasn't remotely that dire, and yet I preferred to go the fucking army than to stay there. (I was able to secure myself a flat right after the boot camp, which was nice)

>>550129887
>>550129535
cool stories bros

>>550105907
I regularly do similar things carrying directly from badwater sources, over everything and off the map so they can be permanent power sources (outside of droughts), though obviously once they're set up there's no connecting them back to the reservoirs

>>550129887
Yeah... Really what made me leave was how expensive their rent were. By the end I was paying nearly 3 times the price of their apartment for a single unheated room. That and the fact they had no respect for anything I did.
>>550130749
Sorry. We were on page 10 and I don't really have much to say. I'm trying to scale up my Vulcanus science production but it's not working out. I need to build some nuclear-powered lavafill.

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Very early VGL post here: we're playing last today so it's a few hours off, just wanted to warn you all I might post the stream late (or might even miss the post) since I'm away at the moment. Which also means I am unable to manage this game live.
We are placing all hopes on the autopilot to win this one tonight, or we're out for this cup. Praise be to the Omnissiah, I suppose.

>>550109742
overhang

>>550033741
have you read it?

>>550136112
Looks perfectly fine to me. What's the issue?

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>>550108202
You have tons of trees and what appears to be a very defensible position, you'll be fine

>>550136112
My bad, I just realized I had it mixed up with the "More exhaustive list of /egg/-approved games." pad.
The op pad doesn't seems to be up to date, yeah...

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>>550132908
>We were on page 10 and I don't really have much to say.
When in doubt : profess your love of trains.
Everyone here love trains.

>>550133725
kill yourself retard

>>550146056
I do not particularly care for trains.

>>550146346
It's a tier 5 meme. Don't fight it. Don't question it.
https://youtu.be/tKB4h9gvmm0?t=10

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This is how I imagine my factories look from the ground. >>>/wsg/6043951

>>550146346
blasphemy

>>550147556
How utterly depressing.

>>550113708
Is the sun is dead, then every planet should be freezing like aquilus

>>550115059
>>550116574
Is it always greyed out or only for the Each one? Can you select a quality for normal signals, e.g. items? I wonder if it's disabled for the special symbol signals, or Each/Any specifically.
Though having Each/Any accept a quality would also make sense to me, letting you easily filter for e.g. "Each of X quality".

serbs are back

>>550147556
what that guy doing

>>550148140
Riddle me this : There's no sun to heat up the sun itself, and yet, it's not a frozen mass either.
In theory, a planet's internal geothermia should be able to keep it "warm", no?

>>550148501
>should be able to keep it "warm"
for how long?

>>550148501
Just like how it's keeping warm the south pole, sure

>>550146056
I'm not dosh. I don't know how to train myself to love trains.

>>550148723
>>550148840
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph241/slye1/
Interesting, I always assumed the core of Earth was a natural nuclear reactor of sort. But apparently, it might not. It's just one theory, for now.

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>>550150247

>>550150247
I always assumed it was just heat from natural radioactive decay.
This is the first time I've heard of the idea of a planetary reactor, and it seems pretty far fetched.

>>550152368
>natural radioactive decay
>planetary reactor
It the same concept in my ESL mind. Sorry if I'm confusing.

>>550152873
What makes something radioactive is the fact that its atoms are unstable and will just randomly fission over time with no outside influence.
A reactor is when there is a chain reaction where the neutrons from one fission event trigger more fission events.

>>550150247
Huh, I thought it was due to tidal force from ur mum

>>550148501
>There's no sun to heat up the sun itself
But there is. Sun is heating itself. As soon as it stops producing enough heat it fucking blows up.

>>550152368
it has happened before in a natural african reactor, doesn't mean it wouldn't happen again. uranium is very dense, it only makes sense that it would sink and interact with other uranium which, after all, has a fairly low criticality threshold.

>>550133725
Love yourself retard

Do Krastorio 2 steel pipes offer any advantage over regular pipes besides increased underground length? The fluid mechanic changes in 2.0 seemed to make any "larger" pipes obsolete.

>>550160258
They do not automatically connect to iron pipes places alongside them, only when placed head-on.

>>550160258
I dunno if Krastorio does it, but PY's upgraded pipes in addition to allowing you to pipe weave them like belts have longer pump reach which is very useful.

>>550160602
>>550161826
Right, thanks. But there is no practical difference in throughtput, or?

>>550162309
I thought throughput was basically infinite in 2.0, only depends on how quickly machines can output their inventory

Question
will spamming 1000 moss farms to get 80 moss per second with the tier 1 recipe impact my UPS more than using 200 moss farms with the tier 3 recipe if I can dig up stone and coarse fraction on the spot.

>>550163115
the answer should be obvious

>>550163304
It should, but I don't know how often moss farms update and I never had to bother with thinking about UPS because I don't megabase.

>>550163115
i'd be surprised if either of those options have an impact on your UPS at all

>>550162309
Yep as far as I'm aware
Just one more reason why K2 2.0 is not that great

>>550164687
I figured that having 1000 active building would impact performance somehow.

WHEN is nullius getting fucking upgraded
has the alpha reworked fluids yet? does anybody know how close it is?

>>550165252
I hope he drops the retarded pipe tiers

>Almost out of pre-rocket science tech to research in Space Exploration
>Don't have any sort of train system for more resources
Uh oh

>>550165090
the performance impact would come from inserters

>>550167371
just build a tilable rail book and you'll be done in a jiffy

>>550167547
interestingly enough then the tier 1 only has 1 inserter per machine triggering every two minutes while the tier 3 have at least 3 working continuously

What's a good way to check for how specifically a build is impacting your UPS, just spawning a debug world and spamming like 10 copies of the same stack of buildings and see if there's any difference in f5?

>>550167818
Pretty sure you can see the performance categories in the UPS breakdown and inserters are their own category

>>550168250
I'll check it out then, I have to choose between TURDs and if it turns out that I can just spam a thousand of the things and vastly simplify the design with only CO2 from a moondrop for every 60 machines + remove water from moss then this is most likely going to be the winner

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>>550133725
>Match later than late because something about the previous game fucked up
Alright, fight for survival: BEGIN
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague

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CAM ON EGGURLAND

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are there armor blocks in Trailmakers?
does it make sense to add "protective" blocks around engine and other vital parts, or is it a plain old health bar for the whole vehicle?

>>550158842
wasn't that in australia?

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really obnoxious recipes, especially that beryllium hydroxide and the holmium and iridium intermediates as byproducts

>>550170478
Yeah but that's literally the endgame. You should check the rabbit hole for rare earth 1 in py's mid-game looks like, there's 7 steps 4 of which require different fluids

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>>549908339
It fucking woooorks.

Apparently it's the most expensive possible solution but I'm still pretty proud of that chip in the top right.

The top right small chip, top right big chip, and the read-only memory are best understood separate from everything else. I'll call that "section one"

Section one only takes a single input on x1, which will either be -111 or will not be -111 and that's all that matters about that.

The small chip will rest at "slx", which you'll notice is not at the top of the lines of code. This allows me to initially set both the powered outputs to 50 while also resetting the outputs to 50 after pules are generated using just the 2 lines of code.
The small chip will receive 3 sequential values. The first value actuates + lines if 1 or - lines if -1, meaning it determines if we're making high power pules or low power pulses. The second value is the length of the pulse controlling the y motor, and is stored in acc. The third value is the length of the x motor pulse, which is used first so that all values can be received during the same time unit.

The large chip reads values from the read-only and feeds them to the small chip. It also waits an amount of time equal to the length of the pules it instructs the small chip to preform. If it receives a -111, it special-cases a value because the read-only didn't have enough memory.

The read-only's data begins at adress 13 instead of 1 so that I can use a simple test to determine if all needed values have been read for both cases. 13 and 0-10 are the instruction to move the header all the way to the right and then all the way back, while adress 11 and 12 are partial instructions for the "return" function.

I really like my little chip and I was inspired to re-use the "data doesn't have to start on line 1" idea, but it feels like there should be some way to do this job without using this memory card at all. Like I gave pearls to pig


The little chip

>>550171143
It's not that the recipes are complicated, it's just more interplanetary logistics exporting and importing intermediates from production chains built on other planets. At least in Py it's all on the same surface.

>>550171918
For the rest of it,
Chip 1 keeps track of if the sprayer is extending or retracting and requests the right values from the retreival chips.

The 2 retreival chips receive an input number and then one of them spits out two values

Chip 4 triggers section 1 when it isn't retracting, based on chip 1. It receives two values from the retrival chips and swaps them if we're currently retracting before passing the data to chip 5.

Chip 5 passes individual digits of the input value to chip 6, and does it in reverse order when we're retracting.

Chip 6 receives a 3 digit value and a pointer, pulls a single digit out of that value, creates a number with a single 1 in it based on that value, and then passes a that to the power control strip.

So do I go look at the solution of someone better or simply do the next puzzle. Probably do the next puzzle.

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>>550168689
Well, that's the way the omelette crumbles.
The auto put up a valiant fight - despite my weird instructions - but flaws in my setup of the team and a strong opponent mean we're out of the cup early for the first time in a while. Sorry lads.
I even prepared this earlier when I saw the writing on the wall. I'll do a slightly more cheerful one to celebrate meeting /hdg/ in battle at some point.
There's plenty of things I plan to do for the team in the future including even more new players but those can wait for the friendlies.

>>550173926
I don't know if you ended up adding the bug eradication chant from Factorio, but if you did it's a shame it didn't get to play against /hdg/. Ah well

>>550171143
Py is the final boss of autism, though

>>550174405
My biggest issue with Py is not even the complexity or the scale, it's that there's no payoff. You spend a hundred hours working towards construction bots and they're shittier than vanilla, same with long inserters, splitters, red belts. Other mods have rewards behind their complex tech tree, QoL at least if nothing else.

>>550174860
Py just offers nothing but challenge. What you're given is always less than what you need

>>550152368
I think something like 60% of earth's internal heat is radioactive decay in the mantle and 40% heat leftover from the Earth forming. Some ye olde scientist did the calculations and concluded that the Earth couldn't be older than a few hundred million years based on how much it had cooled from formation because they didn't know about radioactivity back then.
In either case geothermal heat only makes up a microscopic amount of the planets surface heat budget.

>>550174860
I just unlocked logi bots and theyre mildly useless at this stage since machines need so much and their cargo is at stage 1 that I should only use them sparingly for items with low usage

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Tard question. I see "priority splitter" setups where you're taking some output from a line of X parallel belts, and I see people drawing like a diamond out of priority splitters. Why is that? Why is a single diagonal line of priority splitters shunting everything to one side not enough?
Like, what's the issue with doing pic related?

>>550170218
Nah, it was in Gabon, 1.7b years ago
>uranium was so much spicier back then that you could get a bunch of raw ore and a stream of groundwater and it turned into a reactor
Imagine if civilisation happened when these levels were still a thing, most annoying step of enrichment gone. We'd have Victorian era steam engines powered by uranium

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>>550176657
you probably mean the "belt compressors" that the speedrunners use, they always want a guaranteed full belt while yours still can have gaps due to how splitters work

https://forums.factorio.com/images/ext/39f3fc9e394f4199b89c67f3b0a82196.gif

>>550191523
Oh huh.
>that the speedrunners use
That anyone uses that wants to split off a bus (and doesn't like balancers), no?

Has anyone made a Fucktorio game?
I think this is an opening I can exploit

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I never know how people get these very late game bases with populations of about 2000, I seem to need all of these pops to man the huge amount of different production chains
Maybe it's better to use trade deals to acquire some resources rather than making everything yourself?

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picked up alchemy factory. it reminds me of satisfactory with tiny little buildings

>>550176657
>the issue with pic related
nothing, this design is actually better than balancers for splitting off the bus because it lets you see when shit runs out

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Protecting from EMP in From The Depths seems to require a two-thick layer.
No matter how weak the EMP is, small craft just have to hope it doesn't hit a bad spot.

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Hitting the top middle block, the EMP will go for the much closer AI bits instead of the surge protectors.
Insulation will only redirect the pulse a short distance.
>>550206090
(Or you could cover the AI in surge protectors, but that's so expensive you might as well make a bigger plane. And for bigger pulses, it might fry one and then go straight to your AI, haven't tested that? Pretty sure that surge protectors and AI bits are equally attractive.)

if volts and amperes multiplies to make watts does that mean that you can replace 5v 10amp by 10v 5amp?

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>>550206553
Or there's this stupid-looking option.
AIR GAP.
Saves a little bit of height/width, but is kind of long, and leaves the AI unprotected from general damage.

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>>550207754
This is shorter, but it relies on the surge protectors not getting destroyed (they don't have much armor), or else the AI just falls off the craft.
I'm starting to hate EMP damage.
Why can't it search further for a surge protector, before going through wood/stone?
To optimize it, maybe do a radial check for the closest surge protector, since heavy armor doesn't have EMP vulnerability anymore.

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>>550208109
although, this is starting to show promise
hitting the top middle doesn't seem to be an issue
Not sure how frag and kinetics handle literal corner cases.
But if I'm going with wood for weight, I suppose that's no better than a surge protector anyway.
2000 materials on surge protection for the AI, bleh.

>>550035292
get your phone battery replaced, do not fall for planned obsolescence

>>550208684
wait
I think I can use AI connectors as "collectors" to route the EMP to the surge protectors
that cuts the cost to almost 1/5th
much less capacity, but I don't mind a *big* EMP pulse taking down a small plane
just a very small one at the wrong spot
I crave reliability

>>550206090
Isn't stone emp proof?

>>550212449
Stone and wood have the same resistance to EMP.
The mechanics might have changed recently.
I did some testing, it seems to only *discourage* EMP going through.
And not by much.
See
>>550206553

>>550212778
This EMP shit has gotten out of hand. I liked it better when it was easy to defend against and the primary use was anti-shields.

>>550203234
iirc large-volume trades can only ever get you raw materials, nothing actually useful. And instant trades are horrible value.

How I beat the game was pipe water from all the reservoirs to one place and centralize the settlement there, but back then pipes didn't need maintenance. I also ignored most services and only had three food types. Greenhouses are not worth the running cost (vs. Farms) without fertilizer, which also takes pop. Chickens are not worth the pop cost ever. Chairs, washing machines, etc you're trading pop and production capacity for a bunch of unity, I found I could not spend that unity in a way that broke even on the resources, not to mention pop, power and other costs.

Office seems like a noob trap, wasting 500 employees plus another 100+ in the production chain for some negligible bonus, that could be a fifth of your workforce. Similar deal with the space station.

>>550174860
>it's that there's no payoff
The payoff is playing py.

>>550211556
It's already my 3rd replacement battery. It's an old phone anyway, the battery cost more than the phone itself. Besides, the plastic is completely busted at this point.

>>550207574
what
no

I mean yes, but the only way to achieve that is by rebuilding the circuit to have twice the resistance. Because amperes and ohms multiplies to make volts.

>>550215543
that's exactly what i ask

>>550202518
There was that one expansion/size fetish factory game, I don't think it filled its own fetish even (somewhat ironically) due to the shitty controls and UI design.

There was also one planned about loli queen femdom or some shit, we had the official shill post itt but there wasn't even a demo out just sceenshots and "wishlist now".

>>550176638
hard to make, cargo 1, low speed, no way to upgrade either of those, and they're competing with caravans. So far I only use them to distribute caravan food.

>>550215692
But then the circuit is horribly inefficient and probably doing something else than it was before. So what did you actually achieve.

>>550207574
Depends on the application, and will probably fry something.
>>550213230
It seems like they want EMP to fry small craft.
It can be worked around, but not easily.

>>550216045
i just want to know if it would blow the fuse or damage the machine or if it would work basically the same
>>550216442
what if the machine is a human brain. would it fry a human brain?

>>550216490
>blow the fuse or damage the machine
Very likely.

>>550216490
If you "replace 5v with 10v" then it would also double the amperage, and damage something. Like I said, you would have to redesign the circuit and change its resistance. At which point they're not comparable anymore.

>>550204935
>nothing
You are objectively wrong, since the anon above posted a gif of exactly what is wrong with it

>>550171918
That looks incredibly unfun

>>550207574
No because actual electronic and electric components run on volts and amps, not on watts. A machine running on 10v 5a would use the same amount of power as a machine running on 5v 10a, but they would be totally different, electrically speaking.
For example, gasoline and diesel can both be burned for power, but you can't put an equivalent amount of diesel into a car designed to run on gasoline. A diesel car and a gasoline car might be built to have the same engine power but you can't just switch them around interchangeably.

>>550035292
>>550213720
I always buy used phones off ebay. Also something that's pretty important to me is third party OS support, since most phones stop getting security updates from the manufacturer after just a few years.

Moto G7 (normal/Play/Power) is dirt cheap (like $30) and is still supported by LineageOS. It is pretty slow though. Like sometimes it will take a second for the onscreen keyboard to pop up and shit like that. Make sure it supports all the bands your carrier uses too. I know it doesn't work with Verizon in the US.

A better option is to get a used Google Pixel. A Pixel 4/5/6 is like $100 and is a lot more powerful than a G7, supports like every band, and still runs LineageOS.

If you need an actually _new_ phone, then a Moto G Play 2024/2025 is only like $120. No LineageOS support though, so you have to deal with some bloatware, and it will stop getting security updates in a few years.

Or you could get a new Google Pixel. The Pixel 9a is $400, which is actually pretty cheap for a high end phone, even if it is still ridiculous to me to spend that much. Google guarantees software support for the 9a until April 2032. Also GrapheneOS is an option for Pixel phones that are still supported by Google. And of course Pixel phones always keep LineageOS support for a lot longer than Google supports them for.

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>>550207574
Well, ohms is amperes divided by volts, so if you double the voltage and halve the current you'll also reduce the resistance to one quarter. This is why power transmission lines use a very high voltage.
In small scale electronics this is going to cause things like exceeding the breakdown voltage of diodes, capacitors, and eventually the insulation around the wires if you overdo it.

>>550222550
>I'm stuck volt-brother!
>You have to much me out with your very hard metal stick...

>>550222550
yeah except you can't change resistance that easily

>>550222349
That's not an example, that's an analogy.

>>550222550
You can't change the resistance in a circuit by feeding it different power. If you double the voltage, you double the current. You can't double the voltage and halve the current without changing the circuit.

>>550222349
>but you can't put an equivalent amount of diesel into a car designed to run on gasoline
Nothing's stopping you. It's just not gonna start, and possibly ruin the engine.

>>550223072
And an appliance supplied with double voltage is likely not going to start and possibly ruin the internals. Your point?

>>550223113
I'm just fine-tuning your analogy

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>>550223007
Is changing the circuit as simple as putting a resistor at the green or red circle (or both)?
Obviously this is going to burn out the lightbulb.

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Honestly I can't really find a problem with this
it's cheap as hell, it's incredibly compact and gives 15 moss per minute out of thin air using a handful of pipes and it doesn't even make use of the weird inserter configurations that can bend them at 90 degree angles
It does require you to take the no water moss turd and the C02 moondrop turd
you can do it with water but it's going to require the extra space for the muddy water intake, which means running it on the outside
nothing major mind you it's like 3 washers per row, but the other moss options are just kind of bad
you can make coarse and stone out of nothing by chemical but really all this requires is space, and it's already optimize to use the least space possible
considering how ubiquitous moss is it makes sense to add a 100% reliable, compact option for it that will run until the end of time out of nothing but power (and not that much power either, it's 22.5 MW for 15 moss per second
yes fertilizer is free and stone is free and coarse is free and I could muck around with more complicated options, but at the same time I could just slap several of these somewhere along the map in several blocks and get N*15 moss per second.

>>550223421
Been a few decades since I had this in school, but iirc it should just dim the lightbulb not damage it. Then you're wasting a lot of power on uselessly heating up a resistor, but it does achieve what you wanted.

>>550224398
>180 fucking giant moss farms
>it's incredibly compact
statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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>>550224398
yeah no frankly unless you end up using truly obscene amounst of moss this just seems optimal
Could even work as biomass power plant feedstock since 15 moss per second costs 22.5 MW and generates 65 biomass per second, so each one of these can power a single MK2 biofuel power plant which is uh

...1.5 gigawatts in a mk2 steam turbine?
That can't be right. And that's for 15 untreated moss to biomass. You can double its power capacity if you just slap 15 pulp mills and turn it into fine biomass for 2 extra MW, and that means that a single 15 moss/s plantation could yield 3 gigawatts.

>>550224861
each one of them is the size of one of my t1 animal farms, so yeah, it's actually relatively compact.

no wonder they fucking nerfed biomass power plants to the ground and they're still beating everything

>>550203234
There's some really good trade deals, like the solar cell -> quartz, server -> different ores and household goods -> coal for power. Gold or consumer goods -> crude oil is also fine if you still run on diesel.
Whatever you can get from trade deals instead of world mines is a win in productivity as soon as you get the zero employee assemblers.

>>550225150
Rate Calculator is cheating.

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>>550225150
>the goyim found the free energy formula

>>550176657
The bottom split off takes 50% of its material from input lane 1, 25% from input lane 2, 12.5% from 3, 6.25% from 4, and 6.25% from 5.

That means that, if these belts lead to different ore sources, the first ore source will be used up far far faster than any other, meaning you'll have to keep replacing it more often in order to keep your base running, rather than making all your replacements at once.

If that's a problem or not depends on what the rest of your base is doing, and where these belts actually come from.

You also can't run 100% throughput on your bottom split-off while also running 100% throughput on the second output conveyor. Both conveyors added together can run a maximum of 100% throughput, instead of 200%, which is what two belts are capable of. Again, whether this is a problem or not depends on what your base actually does.

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>>550202518
What's everyone dream h-egg anyway? For me it would be an Automation (the car company game) where you design sex toys, going from simple dildos all the way to robot-cat girls.
What would you make in Fucktorio anyway? Sex products? What's the endgame? Fill Glebussy with rubber dicks?
>>550225849
>Photosynthesis has converted light into energy for almost a billion years now
>Can turn plants into ethanol and biodiesel
>Somehow we now "need" solar and batteries to make energy and move machines

>>550226292
I actually always use exactly anon's pic on my bus, and I just balance ore at the mine, and use one of these at every split off, so neither of those issues apply.

>>550224398
I think you're missing out by not taking copper moondrop, massively simplifies the later recipes replacing 3 or 4 painful ingredients with just copper ore, while also increasing output.

I also heard that coarse fraction is a pain to produce at the scales needed mid to late game. So having moss make it as a byproduct is probably quite nice, and it also feeds its own fraction requirement in the later moss recipes.

CO2 can be obtained by composting moss into biomass and burning it in the pressure furnace, with no added ingredients. Water is as free as it gets.

So I disagree, but having these disagreements is the best part of Py imo. Everyone ends up with a different build.

>>550226593
There's plenty of regular diesel left, the issue is CO2 from burning it. We would have to switch everything to biofuels and then burn less fuel than we produce. And what, store the rest underground? Refill the oil fields?

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>>550226593
I've thought of what you described with sex toys but then you're essentially just looking at conveyor belts filled with dicks all day
Maybe one where you create normal components in order to build hot robots which are used as workers
Basically factorio but every factory is a workstation manned by robogirls
Instead of an automated mine, it's a mine manned by robots, instead of a factory building pipes, it's robots using machines to build pipes, instead of a turret, it's robots manning a turret
You can also build better (and hotter) robots as you progress, have robots follow you in to battle and lets you have them automatically build things from blueprints at an early stage
Having that system also lets you keep it as tame or lewd as you want.

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>>550226852
>I think you're missing out by not taking copper moondrop
I took the c02 moondrop turd 100 hours ago. It's eased my earlygame significantly, I'm aware and was aware of biomass but you unlock the c02 from biomass much later on and I genuinely didn't want to bother. It's been good to me so far.
>I also heard that coarse fraction is a pain to produce at the scales needed mid to late game.
How? It literally only requires iron sticks. Hell, I'm making 6 coarse a second from two separators being fed soil right now because it's crucial for my coal->tar setup since I didn't wanna bother with turning that into coke, so it really seems trivial at the moment and even more easy later on. I'm curious though.

That said, the net amount of coarse gained is frankly minuscule, and the drain on stone is constant, and digging up stone likewise requires iron sticks. I'm aware of "just dig up stone" but that's besides the point. I am, currently, and I'm banking the shale oil. It's just more of a headache to move around at the speed it is required without trains or a long ass belt.
Then there's also the fact that the c02 TURD significantly speeds up basic moondrop machines, which means that you can once again spam those tier1s for honestly a decent throughput. I've got a deposit full of moondrops that's been feeding my rats that is literally just 20 machines in a row that only uses water and can be scaled infintiely, much like the moss I've just posted. And fertilizer being free as in freedom with wastewater will only improve it.

I have heard good things about the copper moondrop turd overall though. I might reroll later for it. There's very little reason to reroll your turds 95% of the time and the technology to do so unlocks relatively early.

>>550228193
This imply remaking 90% of the building graphics just for a flavor change (miner is still doing the same thing of vanilla, just now looks like a robot), unless you completely replace buildings by robots, like logistic bots, but on the ground and humanoid shape, but them you have to make the whole ai for it and probably can't have many of them anyway.

The way I see there is two themes that can be done: 1. Make sexbots or 2. The bio approach, make tentacle sex buildings that rape 24/07 to produce fluids and/or porn, or breed new strains of sex slaves.

My idea:
>need to ship sextoys and sex robots off world to earn currency (to unlock research) or even resources (one maid sex bot = 1 M iron ore, or something in these lines), player start with simply toys and quickly move to bots. Labs are now porn studios, provide bots and toys to them and earn points.

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>>550229723
man
I beat the game and never realized you could receive beam power on ships

>>550230075
I'm surprised earendel hasn't fixed it honestly

>>550207574
Isn't this what a transformer does?
Suppose an appliance wants 5v 10amp, which means it has 0.5ohm resistance. If you send 10v, then it'll have 20amp which will probably destroy the appliance, so you use a transformer to go from 10v to 5v. The appliance gets 5v 10amp, but from the perspective of the power supplier it's supplying 10v 5amp.

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>>550230154
why would he fix it? it's literally in the mod's promo images

>>550231120
it's intended?
How the hell is that even supposed to work?

>>550231120
delete this
we hate earendel here

>>550231971
why would i delete it? we love earendel here

>>550231958
Mostly speculative technology but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion

>>550232457
well, that actually sort of explains how you're supposed to beam energy to a fast moving spacecraft so I'm good, I figured that would be an abstraction compared to a stationary target

>>550232721
Anon do you truly think planets are stationary

>>550223421
R = U/I
If you increase the resistance of the circuit, while maintaining the same voltage, then the current is going to drop.

>>550232457
You can't beam to a moving spacecraft, it's just a big thermal battery to, surprisingly, boil water. You can target the beam to the spot the ship anchors to and the receiver will get heated up while the ship is docked.

>>550233049
>it's just a big thermal battery to, surprisingly, boil water.
It always comes down to boiling water, doesn't it?
I've never had SEX so I don't know the specifics of that mechanic. I thought it would work for a moving spacecraft because I naively thought it would just connect no matter where the craft was.

>>550232996
a SE spaceship goes at a decent fraction of the speed of light

>>550233049
>You can't beam to a moving spacecraft
This was my main question. Then it's more reasonable.

>>550233705
Once a spaceship is distant enough, the tracking speed is no longer a problem but precision is. Theoretically speaking anyway.

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>>550227106
Just stop drilling oil and mining coal. It's literally that simple. It's already underground, if you stop digging it up it cannot contribute to the greenhouse effect.
Of course, our current industrial society relies on the cheap and available energy provided by fossil fuels. If you were to globally ban their extraction, the market would eventually compensate - fuel prices would skyrocket and everyone who couldn't go nuclear would start farming biofuel crops - but there would be a massive economic collapse and probably famine.

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>>550226593
>What's everyone dream h-egg anyway?
Probably something like Free Cities

>>550233705
The only issue I see there then is that the incoming light would be severely redshifted. But I'm assuming SE does not simulate general relativity and probably also assumes the speed of actual light is infinite, in which case it literally does not matter.

>>550234225
It's pretty well implemented in the KSP mod, Interstallar Extended. Tracking is abstracted as perfect, But you have to deal with the wavelength you're sending, aperture size of the transmitter, size/type/facing of the receiver, and in case of thermal also radiators to get rid of waste heat.

Long-wave beams are produced very efficiently but the beam quickly loses cohesion with distance. So microwaves for a first or second stage thermal engine, infrared for a moon mission and UV or X-Ray across planets, where you lose 90% of power on the transmitter side.

>>550234837
You could build a receiver to handle the shifted wavelength, or a wide range at the cost of efficiency. And that's for beamed electric power, in the case of thermal all you need is a black-body.

>>550226593
Probably some kinda game in which you are the stud to a stable of cow girls, and you gotta both manage milk production and milk product manufacturing, with production being based on how much you fuck them and how much they love it. And also stronger and more complicated milk products could then be ingested rather than shipped out in order to increase *your* stats for fucking.

For that purpose Gain Factory was *approaching* what I would realistically want it to be but the fact that the game slowed to a tenth of normal game speed before you could get a decent product chain out fundamentally kills it.

Of course this stuff gets over-complicated when you have to actually think about the children resulting from constantly keeping the cowgirls gravidly pregnant, but most porn games just shove that off-screen as a statistic anyway.

it was your fault for asking.

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>>550234561
>Alpha Omega Energy
>Some Cambodian company looking for investiments
>Site doesn't exist
>https://www.linkedin.com/company/alphaomegaenergy
What. And why do their images look like very elaborate shitposts?
>>550234781
I actually like the business management of Free Cities and I wish it was more fleshed out. Maybe it's my fantasy of being a landlord and collecting rents or something.
>>550235907
>it was your fault for asking.
No, I'm happy to read every response.

>>550235552
Wouldn't redshifted light have less energy overall?
t. physicianlet

>>550226593
You enslave the native species into workers and optimise reproduction using biological engineering
You probably start with manually incubated eggs and "traditional" breeding facilities, research DNA improvements, gene edit differentiated breeding and worker species for more optimal worker production, build assembly lines for augmenting your breeder units, and by the endgame you build assembly lines for artificially constructing bio-engineered eggs from scratch and incubating them in artificial wombs

>>550234561
Generally when one person claims to be smarter than the whole world he tends to be wrong. Not necessarily this case, but something to consider.

I'm not sure what to think here, a scam maybe? Couldn't even find a website, a potential candidate at alphaomegaenergyservices.com used to sell solar panels but is now dead. A company of the same name previously operated an oil well right off the coast of a natural wildlife refuge in south texas. Or they may have rebranded to Alpha Omega Power, which sells large scale battery storage.

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>>550236693
>The ultimate reward of the porn game is to engineer sex out of the process
I don't think you understand how this works

Clean code is so shit holy crap. Who the fuck gives "Don't write debug and error messages because clean code shouldn't have bugs" unironically!?

>>550236852
Anon sex is inefficient, it's the point of an engineering game

>>550236852
Don't worry, end game research is Sex 2.

>>550236852
>He can't imagine an assembly line of sex where foreplay, insertion, orgasm and insemination steps are high impact and efficient

>>550236318
Think you forgot your conservation of energy somewhere along the way.
Longer wavelengths will lose cohesion faster and spread out, but I'm not sure how that plays out in relativity.

>>550237259
General relativity is weird and I still have trouble reasoning about it intuitively
I think time dilation might explain it, so you get a lower energy beam but for longer (so the total energy delivered is the same)?

Also I once watched a jewish youtuber explain that energy conservation doesn't work globally across general relativity but I don't remember the actual mathematical explanation either

>>550237672
Energy conservation only applies to closed systems.

>>550237672
>I should rewatch that Veritasium video!
>Oh wait, the title and thumbnail change for every video every day so I'll never know which one it was!

>>550237259
Because the distance between the station and the ship keeps growing, more and more energy is in light between the station and the ship.
For simplicity, consider a case where the ship is moving at 0.5 c directly away from the station and the station is firing at 1 W, looking at the station's perspective. Then there would be 1J per light second spread across the distance between the station and ship. The distance increases by 0.5 light seconds per second, so 0.5 W is going into the beam of light that hasn't reached the ship, and the remaining 0.5 W actually reaches the ship.

>>550238135
One would assume the universe is closed, excepting potential leakage explicitly to/from outside the borders of the observable volume.

>>550238728
Entropy is a thing, leading theory being that we are leaking energy into a different universe. Also the constant and accelerating expansion of the universe means less energy overall by volume every second.

Which is why it's now believed that the universe will eventually reach a "heat death" in which all matter is equally spread out and nothing can ever happen ever again.

>>550238248
That would make sense with sound waves. The beam is moving towards the ship at the speed of light from its perspective as well as from the transmitter's perspective. Then it gets fucky.

>>550238981
My dad works at nintendo and he said the universe 2 is being released soon

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>>550238205
The nytroglycerine episode thumbnail change was just positively odd
it went from "this liquid is very dangerous to move" to whatever the fuck this is

If one were to make a sex mod to factorio, biters could be replaced by horny dudes who are lusting after your sexbots/slaves. This would be hilarious.

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>>550239412
>Worms and spitters
cease

>>550239065
That part is taken care of through time dilation. From the station's perspective, the light is hitting the ship at 0.5 c, but that's fine because otherwise the station would be seeing light move at 1.5 c.

>>550148248
are we still on py/se?

>>550232207
weird, in this post I only read
*sounds of oral knotting from gargling earendel's furry bulb*

>>550239970
you're a weirdo

>>550236834
Yeah, it's almost certainly a scam. I don't remember where I saved the image, but it's probably because I thought it was funny.

>>550239487
Worms could be replaced by regular towers/turrets, or just make them a giant penis if that is your thing. Spitters could be dudes with guns.

Also, think about space age demolishers.

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>>550236945
It shouldn't be necessary to modify clean code so there's no reason to worry about readability.

>>550236227
>I actually like the business management of Free Cities and I wish it was more fleshed out.
Yeah, same.
Also wish there were more late-game money sinks so there was some reason to continue making money after buying all the upgrades.

>>550241806
eeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee eeee eee eee eeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeee eee

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>>550241806
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

Is the stationeers serb happening today? I finally bought the game, I was never able to join with a free copy, so I'm really hyped

>>550238981
Heat death I've heard about, and it logically follows from reducing the energy per volume. But reducing energy per volume due to volume expansion doesn't imply breaking conservation of energy across the whole universe.
Leaking entropy into a different universe I haven't heard about before and it sounds like a totally crank theory, something physicsts come up with as a moonshot when they can't explain something. It seems just as likely that something about our understanding of spacetime and/or energy is incomplete as that there are other universes we are "leaking" into; we still don't have a combined quantum gravitation theory for example.

>>550078234
I hate that shit. Love the game for perfectionist stuff like that but there are no good solutions that won't sideline a good chunk of your vehicles for awhile to fix it. Dump in the area and reterraform. Those dump crane things might help you get the exact spot right, but I usually just let my rigs do the work. Say goodbye to 20 years of progress

>>550244292
It was gonna waste iron anyway, he built the walls too close

>>550242501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE_IYocTi7I

>>550163435
>>550163115
All active machines consume the same amount of UPS at least roughly speaking. So you can calculate which one is better for UPS by simply counting the machines that are involved. The 200 moss farms will obviously be vastly superior in this case.

>>550163115
A single coal patch can create a pretty gigantic amount of stone bricks with the pitch recipe that can certainly sustain the stone needed for that

>>550246168
If we're talking ups, and ups is mostly bothered by inserters, then the ups of a machine should be proportional to the number of inserters, with the operation of the machine itself functioning as a rounding error assuming full uptime. I have no idea if that is accurate.

So, lets say 1 machine generates .1 items/second and another 100 machines generate .001 items/second each, such that both groups generate a total .1 items per second, but the 100 machiens represent 100 times the number of yellow inserters. Are the 100 machines 100 times worse in terms of ups?

Assuming you have 1 machine that generates 60 items per seond and which is serviced by an inserter which can move 60 items per second, and you have another 1 machine that generates 6 items per second and is serviced by an inserter that can move 6 items per second, do these two setups have the same effect on ups? Assume there's 100000 of each setup, if that is necessary to see a difference between the two setups.

>>550247305
If you are talking about inserters then it's a simple comparison of how many items you need to put in to get one item out and for that the recipe that requires 200 farms wins by a lot again

>>550247305
That's why you get crane inserters that move full stacks at once

>>550239731
py/tfmg
tfmg has been completely dead, so i should probably switch back to sex

>>550247305
I'm not sure if I follow whether idle inserters use the same ups as active inserters

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>Pacu eggs give twice as much kcal of raw egg and egg shell than the other basic critters
>Even though they also produce eggs four times as fast
Eh?
Guess I'm really making omelettes then.

>>550244151
should, probably, but we're in a tight spot, waiting on a trader to give us water and oxygen

>>550247305
>>550250170
As far as I'm aware, inserters use UPS heavily
>when a machine wakes up and triggers the inserter to move
>when the inserter is holding items over a belt and actively waiting for a spot to drop them (including if the belt is empty, it still takes a few ticks to drop if the hand size is upgraded at all)
>when the inserter is above a belt waiting for items to pick up

Basically if you have 200 entities and each one notifies its own personal inserter independently, that costs more lag than if you e.g. synchronise your 200 entities and use circuits so that when one inserter moves all the other inserters move at once. I'm not sure why exactly checking a circuit condition is cheaper than the building waking up its subscribed inserter but for large builds this generally makes a big difference.
And picking up or placing down onto belts also takes UPS. From what I know, picking up from a moving belt with a hand size > 1 is one of the worst things you can do; picking up from a saturated belt such that the inserter can just grab the items that are stationary directly in front of it is fine. I think placing down on a nearly-full belt forcing the inserter to wait a while for a gap is also bad, placing down on an empty belt is a lot better. As far as I know sideloading belts is actually cheaper on UPS than having an inserter drop into gaps, so you can have a machine unload onto a short belt segment that then sideloads into a nearly-full central belt line, and that will be cheaper than if the machine's inserter was trying to unload directly onto the nearly-full line.

>>550254774
I've never played stationeers but this sounds weird
>yeah our space station is running out of oxygen, we're just waiting for a wandering trader spawn so he can sell us breathing air

degg

tfw still no blue circuits on pyserb

>>550266748
what do you mean
I figured the guy who was weaving the circuit tapestries had already done it by now

>>550267118
serb ded (spiritually)

>>550267172
are you guys past the 1k mark

>>550254774
On vulcan, right? I have a really good cooling setup I could do that would produce cold volatiles for sale and cold CO2 for a greenhouse.

>>550267336
lol

>>550267272
have been for many months

>>550267671
>for many months
are you at 2k then?

>>550267875
no, 1.4k

>>550268014
well, it's still the py serb that got the farthest of all of them I think
plus the fps issues because of the serb
is there a backup of the map that people can download to try it in singleplayer to see how it cripples my computer?

>>550268223
it will cripple no-one's computer. I can run it fine on my laptop. it's just that the connection is dogshit and can't keep updating all the players. and you can always join yourself to download the map.

>>550268341
>and you can always join yourself to download the map.
Oh, it's just a matter of saving? How does it work?

>>550191358
You know I was thinking about this further today and I think my blueprints are fucked. Basically the exits from the junctions don't have a long enough distance between signals to allow a train to buffer after the exit, so it's possible for a train to enter a junction and then get stuck exiting it.

But the reason behind that is simply that my trains are longer than a chunk and my rail blueprints are chunk-aligned. I need to have signals in my blueprints, but as a result they don't leave enough space if there's a junction adjacent to a given blueprint. How do you fags handle this?
The only solutions I see are either re-signalling intersections manually, or having each intersection blueprint also come with built-in straight tracks extending in every direction with the correct skipped signals to ensure a train can always exit, but that would make the junctions artificially massive and wouldn't let me fit them properly into my factory. I know space is infinite but I'm belting half my intermediates and also I haven't cleared out infinite space from biters yet.

Is there any solution that doesn't involve making all your rail blueprints 2 chunks wider in every direction and making every intersection take up massive space?

>>550268435
join, escape, Save Map, leave. simple as.

>>550267616
Is the run so fucked it wouldn't help at this point or what do you mean?

>>550268510
simply don't signal anything in the blueprints except crosses. if that's still too little, you're fucked and should have made the chunk bigger.

>>550268510
I doubt that the intersections are the core issue with the system. There aren't any trains that are blocking a crossing, which is what chain signals fix.
Looking at the oil dropoff, there are two trains that are trying to go into the same stacker. If the train at the entrance to the stackers and the train behind it actually went into the stackers properly I doubt there would actually be an issue.

Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znCMW8forUc

>>550268510
>my trains are longer than a chunk
>I'm belting half my intermediates and also I haven't cleared out infinite space from biters yet.
You need to make an intermediate set of trains for this stage of the game, then move to a larger set of trains when you have functionally infinite space.
Your starter base cannot be future-proofed for lategame.

>>550268510
You can just skip signals on straight pieces and add them as needed later, trains going full speed on straights don't really occupy that much space. Alternatively you can combine few of your blueprints into a combo that has junctions in both ends and then just use that to make a grid. Alternatively build in looser pattern. Alternatively don't put so many trains into the network and/or add more buffers at the places they want to go to wait. Alternatively make junctions with elevated rails.

Like the guy you responded to problem is that his buffer is signaled wrong so the trains don't actually stack up and wait on the mainline + he probably has too many trains + he has some kind of signaling error because the exiting oil train isn't moving despite the clear track.

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>>550267336
we're basically out of o2 and power is (currently) limited. We're also totally out of water. The new respawn system may or may not save us but if anon was complaining that I killed myself to save some water before now it's even worse, Yet he didnt realise we were all gonna die anyway
New cooling would be great tho but we have to salvage the situation first which is mostly get more power and just fucking cool the base instead of cooling random gases outside of it.
picrel current setup in atmo

>>550268875
Do you mean in the intersection blueprint? The issue is mostly in the other blueprints I tack on to it, like the straight rail ones.
I can remove all normal signals from all my intersections/splits so that chained intersections end up with a chain of chain signals and don't allow trains to be stuck midway, but adding a straight rail blueprint at the exit of an interesection will still add a normal signal too close to its exit.

>>550269750
>skip signals on straight pieces
Might have to do that. Or actually maybe have two straight pieces, one signal-less for intersection exits, and one signalled for long straightaways.
My junctions do use elevated rails but there's still some crossing going on.

>>550269219
>oil dropoff stacker
Wait shit, thanks for pointing this out. I thought stackers were too simple to fuck up but you're right, something's wrong there.

>>550269345
This is my intermediate base and it is using intermediate trains, they're only 4-2. But 4-2 is still longer than one 32 tile chunk.
With SA, throughput is so high even at intermediate levels that I feel like it's justified.

>>550269293
My thoughts is carbon copy, even down to double sided belts. The elevator is cool but otherwise eh

>>550270702
It's made from a factorio mod as far as I can tell

>>550270702
you know what they say, highest form of flattery and everything.

>>550270507
They also added a option a while ago where every new player gets his own lander, maybe you could enable that for a canon plot twist saving the base? Because it sounds like a restart otherwise.

>>550270702
2 sided belt is pretty good game design because it adds layers (heh get it (the game haslayers) lma) to otherwise incredibly straight forward mechanic. Games should copy good features off each other, DSP should add 2 items side by side just the same way Factorio copied stacking from them.

>>550269293
>$70 on release
What kind of idiot would buy that?

>>550269293
>factorio: early access
my thoughts are "I already bought this game call me in 10 years and show me how it's going

>>550270702
It's made by the guy who made ultracube and it was originally a mod.

>>550271728
but it might go on sale for $50! Factorio would never!!

>>550271728
why would you lie on the internet?

>>550272108
(you)s.

>>550271461
well once we finally get a trader that gives o2 and h2o we can carry on
last resort would be to cheat it in. because the lack of those two is the only real problem right now

>>550271495
Encouraged sushi sounds cool to me though

>>550272254
>cheat
oh NO NO NO NO NO HE SAID IT HE SAID THE WORD

>>550272254
Getting another lander would feel better than straight up editing shit in

>>550273194
yes well, that's also what I'm wondering about the new respawn system. At the very least you come with a full O2 bottle and some water, tho i'm not sure we can recover the bottled water to grow plants with, so it would mostly be a game of waiting for the right trader to pass by i guess. Might as well improve what can be in the meantime

>>550273904
isn't water inherently lossy because you don't go piss? same goes for food, really.

>>550274351
I wish my butt just annihilated/teleported waste and I never had to shit or deal with shit

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>>550270507
Here's my proposal, the code for the IC chip is pretty simple, it just starts the filtration unit if the input is above a certain pressure and there's no pollutant in the mix.

I could put 10kmol O2 into a pipe or (maybe) convert the save to the landers

>>550274883
Landers first

>>550272254
why not go with an easier planet first rather than go for the hardest planet, then spawn things in when something goes wrong?

>>550274351
yeah, at the very least plants produce food and o2 out of water
>>550275403
i think venus would be harder, not sure about europa but I thrive in the cold. I also didnt pick the planet and before the whole save system change they were on europa i think.

>>550274759
I just realized, instead of filtering the volatiles, it would be better to filter the CO2, there's a constant demand for them in any case and if the thing does a fucky wucky there's no pollutants in the greenhouse, they're in the volatiles tank instead which is easier to fix.

>>550275727
Europa edited to have 10% nitrogen in the air and stronger snow storms would be fun
Vulcan does seem really hard for multiplayer, Venus is probably impossible unless everyone knows exactly what they're doing.

I think you get 1 lander per zone so the start zone won't get one? Maybe it's borked with how I did it?
Regardless you get the starting hardsuit/pod

N: Green /egg/s and ham
P: Corneroids

we might be able to just keep podding in till we get a trader?

or maybe start over (again) with round robin

>>550274759
I don't think it would be prudent to cool all outside air most/all the time, especially since we have quite a bit of CO2 right now, and that will likely be abundant

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god i fucking hate that you are limited to the blueprint designer in satisfactory.
I don't mind it as much for making factories since at least you can go vertical for those and use the full cube.
But fuck trying to make some rail intersections/roundabouts.
I ended up with making a quarter circle that autoconnects to itself and forms a full circle with signals and shit.
still more finnicky than a fucking roundabout needs to be. Not even sure the mk3 blueprint designer can fix this.

Though it is also easy enough to make a blueprint of just the full circle and then manually connect your rails to it and place signals each time. might still be easier than placing this shit 4 times.

>>550274759
i'm assuming you're the anon with the phase change setup if you have that pic
i still don't get the very beginning of your setup/haven't been able to recreate it
the main problem i have is these things:
>how are you replenishing pol in the first large gas pipe volume? while condensing, this will increase in percentage with c02 and vol until there is no pol left
>even one single pipe cowl to the outside on this network or past a valve will depressure faster than the active vent can manage to keep it at condensation. a passive vent is a magnitude worse (are you slowing how the large gas pipe volume leaks back into the outside air? if so, how?)
i have an idea for how to tackle this but it requires a controversial flip flop circuit:
>1. active vent connected to two pipe networks systems via digital valves
>2. flip flop toggles which valve is active
>3. whichever network's input valve is not active will have a valve active to the outside air, effectively resetting the contents
>4. both pipe networks have a condenser valve connecting to the same fluid pipe network
this should give you a consistent flow of liquid pol throughout the entire night with no need for any large buffer
>TL:DRish
i wonder if you had any sort of equivalent to "liquid pol acquisition rate" for me to measure the above idea against