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Gifted Edition

Previously in /coopg/: >>551153231

>Latest News/Updates:
Darktide:
Hotfix #84 - 1.10.3 - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-84-1-10-3-patch-notes/116719

Vermintide 2:
Gifts of the Wolf Father
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/552500/view/523109775233255098
Hotfix 6.9.2 patch notes
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/552500/view/523109140338311330

>Acknowledged
Deep Rock Galactic
Helldivers 2
Payday
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
Ready Or Not
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Back4Blood
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
Killing Floor 3
Daimon Blades
and others

>Future games
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Deep Dish Dungeon - TBA

>Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
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Only for Ogryns tho
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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!
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Give ogryn slab shield with power maul and heavy bolter.
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>Mr. Sneed thinks scummie is the worst class
On god we gotta kill this nigga
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True Grit?
More like True Shit!
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Merry Christmas, lads.
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>>551416994
I don't celebrate Shitmas.
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas.
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas! Even though it's actually just become boxing day here.
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>no sanguinala event still for dorktide
>another gifts of the wolf father for ratchads
I'm not feeling the holiday spirit..
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas
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>>551417454
>The End and the Death is a Christmas story
That's hilarious.
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>>551416994
About to queue up some havocs after christmas launch, gonna be kino
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>>551419167
Let me in
LET ME IN
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas!
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas, anon
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>>551416994
Merry Crimmas, Sah!
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>>551389037
>Yes, also the Smite heavy melee buff node pairs well with it.
wait are you saying the lightning damage added to the heavy attack also counts as a warp attack???
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I haven't played in forever should I get hivescum or arbites
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>>551422473
No
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>>551422473
both are fun
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>>551422473
Arbites, ignore the block fodder
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>>551422473
luv' me sale
'ate me full price
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>>551423015
how is riot shield gaming vs dual wield gaming?
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>>551423181
Trivialises daemonhosts.
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OP should have been something like pic related but oh well

>>551416994
>>551417202
>>551417293
>>551417532
>>551419167
>>551419910
>>551420152
>>551420557
Merry Christmas!
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give me a good psyker build, lost all of mine
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>>551423181
>riot shield
dominator maul is the correct choice on space cop, do not become a shield homo
maul is very satisfying to use, staggers everything, sends shit to the ground, clears hordes, kills armor
>dual wield
which one
>dual blickies
very satisfying to use but the mag size, reload speed, and fire rate are all extremely limiting, you will not out DPS other ranged options no matter how hard you try to go for crits and weakspot hits
>dual SMGs
if you want to give yourself permanent brain damage, this is the way to do it
imagine fire staff except you can sprint and hipfire it at the same time, and it shakes your screen the entire time you use it
>dual shivs
hive scum's only real unique melee option, it's basically just the combat knife except the moveset is a billion times more braindead easy to use
kills literally everything on screen with a rampage build, and the sloptubers are trying to get it buffed because they think it's weak, funnily enough
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>>551423181
they are both a lot of fun, slamming down a bunch of crushers with a shield charge or mowing down waves forever with a dobule uzi is great
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>VoC krak regen vet
>bubble shield psyker
>chorus zealot
>lone wolf shock mine arbites
it's havoc 40 time
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>>551423712
something, something about having no protection, aids, and homos
i dunno, it's christmas
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>>551423712
>do not become a shield homo

why I want the class just so I can vt2 mace and shield
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>>551423181
Do you want a ton of crowd control and defense? Arbites.
Do you want a ton of shooting and boosting yourself with stimms? Hive Scum.
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>>551423648
damn the improved scrier with the greatsword is fun
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>>551424381
>no ogryn
You're definitely gonna make it and I hate that.
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>Ogryn gets dripfed nerfs since the talent tree patch
>everyone complains he's no fun on Havoc cause he's just weaker for no reason
>Ogryn got a full rework that made him OP
>dripfeeding him nerfs again has gotten back to the point where people say he's no fun on Havoc because he's just weaker for no reason
How does this keep happening
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>>551426562
Ogryn didn't get a full rework. Ogryns were the least changed
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>>551426562
Unironically because of malice shitters.
Ogryn as a baseline has more health + extra wound and then also has higher stagger and cleave on his attacks. And since malice/heresy is baby mode with weak enemies, you can actually just W+m1 through the entire map.
So this leads to ogryn getting nerfed because he is overperforming in lower difficulties.
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>>551423712
Shield + shock maul is arby's most fun weapon.
My set up is just shield + maul with the mk3 shotgun and then the dog.
It's just fun to play and very effective.
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>>551416994
Merry chrismtasm :3
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>>551423648
Sure, here you go.
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas
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>>551426562
>>551427532
>scummer is going to get buffed into the stratosphere for exactly the same reason
are you ready for the crimewave
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>>551421770
Heavy melee attacks apply a damaging electrocution effect to enemies (up to 64 base damage per tick when reaching max charge level); the damage window lasts for 2s, the electrocuted state lasts until 2s after the last damage tick. Damage can be increased by the same sources that buff Smite's electrocution damage (except for Empowered Psionics). Note that the time before the first damage tick can happen depends on enemy hit mass (just like with Smite itself), so the more hit mass an enemy has the longer it will take before this talent's electrocution effect deals damage. As a result, against monstrosities (20 hit mass), only 1 damage tick can be executed before the damage window of 2s ends.

If Enfeeble is selected, the electrocution effect receives a lower hit_mass_cost, which effectively doubles the total tick amount against most enemies, and is also able to reach max charge level sooner, which ramps up its damage faster. With Enfeeble, this talent's electrocution effect benefits from the 10% increased damage taken debuff, and attacking players also benefit from it while the electrocution effect is actively damaging and applying the debuff (just like with Smite itself).
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>>551429117
>If Enfeeble is selected, the electrocution effect receives a lower hit_mass_cost, which effectively doubles the total tick amount against most enemies
WHY DOESNT IT SAY THIS IN GAME
WHAT
THE
FUCK
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>>551429554
Welcome to fatshark games
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>>551429554
Smarr famiry game studio, prease underlstando
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>>551429847
well I think it still seems like it's worth it because it will passively help maintain stacks for Malefic Momentum while chopping away with the Greatsword
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too lazy to launch the game, is there new slop?
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>>551430050
The blazing spirit blessing has the same effect and it benefits from souldrinker (crit and toughness when killing enemies with soulblaze stacks)
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>>551428385
>no kinetic deflection
>empyric shock
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>>551430174
no
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>>551429117
wait you are saying that the electrocution has a thrust-like effect that buffs its damage? What the fuck
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i fucking hate scum players
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>>551430269
dumb question, but I never really thought about

Soulblaze damage counts as a "warp attack" right? surely it does
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>>551432808
Yeah
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>>551432709
Why does he look like that? Too many chems?
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>>551433581
he turned on DLSS to max
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>>551430685
I would vastly prefer quietude over soul stealer for more reliable forms of toughness regeneration, soulstealer assumes there is either chaff around for you to blast, or able to make kills, both are scenarios where you don't need toughness regeneration or cannot generate it instantly.
>essence harvest
Dead node
>empryic shock
Same thing. Not worth the node it costs when points are so limited.
>sanctuary
I honestly don't even take it in havoc, feels selfish but I also feel like it doesn't actually contribute much at all.
Warp ghost and kinetic deflection feel infinitely more important if you want to not die compared to forcing yourself into bad ground trying to fight in a bad position.
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>>551424381
Nobody in havoc 40 brings lone wolf anymore (even in rotten armor, a good vet completely replaces the need for this), and most groups don't even use bubble. Unless this is the remaining NA-tard meta, you don't play havoc 40 lol.
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>>551434173
I feel like we don't play the same game. None of your points fit in with my experience.
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>>551434378
Buble is better than shriek. You can't expect people to play perfectly all the time, so bubble helps with survivability.
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>>551434781
Bubble is more reliable, but only inexperienced havoc players truly NEED it. A group of havoc 40 regulars won't even notice if it's missing.
Additionally, if you need bubble spam in the current patch where dodging makes you projectile immune, you need to get your brain checked out.
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>>551434378
>a good apple completely replaces the need for oranges
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>>551434781
NTA but scriers is the best way to play psyker in havoc, without a doubt. At least that's how I play it. Bubble is nice but most teams don't even need it, or even really care for it in place of more damage which is the true issue in havoc, being able to output more burst damage on hordes. Especially on half of the maps currently in the rotation.
>>551434735
That is possible.
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Why the f*ck are you posting on Christ-mas
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>>551434974
Bubble removes the majority of special enemies as threats.
>only newbies need it, unlike my gigachad, pro-gamer, unmolested ass
Brat.
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>>551435486
The veteran should remove the majority of special enemies as threats by shooting them.
I know this concept is impossible for most to grasp, because most veterans are busy meleeing to get mileage out of their bleed talent :^) Try bringing a competent vet for once and be amazed. Same applies to dog btw.
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>>551435642
A scum bum can do that without wasting ammo
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Is double barrel vet okay? Been thinking about cleave maxing with it n just ker niggering hordes. But I feel like I'm supposed to be killing big shit n gunners.
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>>551435145
>damage which is the true issue in havoc
>empyric shock is a dead node
>kinetic deflection feels infinitely more important
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>>551435786
I didn't bring up scum because hardstuckies throw a tantrum when you do. Scum is pretty good in havoc yeah.
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>>551435642
>should
scrub vocab imagining perfect skills they don't have
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>>551435837
A double barrel scum bum is more fun
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>>551435837
DB cleave/bleed maxxing vet is perfectly serviceable. Good enough to be havoc viable, but definitely not good enough to be meta, it's just okay. Minimum pellet count usually means you can kinda sorta hit faraway targets good enough, but it might take you more than one shot to kill most things.
Scum apparently does it decently well, too, but I've only seen DB scum in aurics where it was pretty competitive. I have my doubts about its performance in havoc.
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Once you accept that Ogryn is meant to be rearguard not frontline you will be happier.
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>>551436116
No, I'm declining them.
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>>551435837
>>551435970
Not in rotten armor.
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>>551436116
You're gonna need a rearguard or imma rape your ass
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>>551436116
Ogryn is declined until fatshark makes the class not dogshit
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>not realizing that ogryn provide a team-wide double damage buff
Is this why you fags act like 5 consecutive bosses are somehow impossible to deal with in havoc?
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Im beginning to think I'm the only havoc player in this entire general
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>>551436116
Just taunt and sidestep away from the team.
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everyone is wrong but me
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>>551436630
A skullcrusher arbites can also do that
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>>551436773
You are correct in theory, but in practice literally nobody does this. You'll sit in a lobby for an hour and not see a single one.
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>>551434974
>Bubble is more reliable, but only inexperienced havoc players truly NEED it.
Yeah, just like how only inexperienced havoc need beacon of purity and true grit.
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>>551436770
Yeah this except completely unironically (and for real)
=w=
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>>551436934
Only inexperienced players need damage reduction
Only inexperienced players need to dodge
>>>playing for failure
LMAOing @ ur gameplay
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>>551436886
An arbites has access to easy skullcrusher and canine morale, but taunt might just beat that
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>>551436956
you are not me, I AM ME. BEGONE
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>>551436886
>but in practice literally nobody does this.
Which doesn't matter. Arbites is still just better than ogryn and provides all of the same benefits without none of the downsides.
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>>551436934
REAL Havoc gamerz don't have any talents assigned at all.
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>>551436116
There is no such thing as a "rear guard" because the rear is never populous enough to justify a whole player covering it, all the players can cover their own rear
Ogryns best role in high difficulty is
>frontline space creator by staggering shit and not needing to back off ever
>high melee damage especially with pickaxes, but the shield does a lot into density too
>guarantees resses in many situations where nobody else can (limited value but it's there)

However to make good use of these properties you need to A) understand positioning VERY well and B) be good enough at dodging mechanically to not get popped by random things aimed your way while you frontline. The average Ogryn can maybe get point B right, but point A is an enigma for many players in general. You need to understand which positions are good for your team to hold and when to move on.
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iag gives me better damage numbers on scoreboard but I feel like I do more with shredder autopistol, kill more elites and specialists, I wonder what's up with that
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>>551437076
All things being equal, the arbitrator cannot keep up with how good rumbler is.
I realize this is only a single build that not many ogryn use, but unlike the theorycraftsissy skullcrusher arbitrator that nobody plays, I see enough rumbler ogryns that I can get one into my lobby after a short wait.
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>>551437260
>all the players can cover their own rear
this is why you're hardstuck
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>i don't need toilet paper to pee
>this means you don't need toilet paper to shit either!!
So this is the enlightened mass of copeg
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>>551437260
Oh and I forgot but it's also applying skullcrusher and the smaller talent he has, but that one felt so obvious to me I almost feel like I don't have to say it. Ogryn is an extreme force multiplier via that debuff and the space he provides.
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>>551437349
But I like to wipe the tip of my peepee
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>>551437319
I'm h40 and have been h40 on ogryn exclusively since the game came out. I never gave a fuck about anyones rear because they can kill their own poxwalkers behind them, I'm busy with the meatwall in front. The whole "backliner" concept is an extreme malicelet thing, caused by how people don't know how to switch to their melee weps and kill stragglers inbetween shots. The closest to this is the vet who focuses on killing specials behind and infront of people because vet is still unbeatable at this, but he's also not gonna be picking poxwalkers off anyone.
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>>551437349
I never wipe because i always clutch
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>>551437568
>since the game came out
I meant since the gamemode came out. Yes this mean pre-buff Ogryn. He was strong on H40 there too, the extreme shooter balance just made playing him very technical and positioning based. I've also been playing mostly ogryn since the game came out
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas copeg
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its nice that i get banned from playing the game for 5 days saying "stop fucking leaving" but then this is ur avg havoc lobby names
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>>551438882
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>>551438882
>he thinks he got banned for "stop fucking leaving" and not the several dozen instances of calling others variations of nigger, faggot, and various other slurs
I constantly degrade shitters who belong in malice and I've never been slapped a single time. I just avoid using slurs unless it's in voice to insult slavs.
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>>551438882
Really? I swear all the time, shit on players and call them retards and faggots and i have never been banned
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>>551438882
It's still hard to believe people get any amount of restrictions in game
I've called people some pretty heinous shit, and my scum is a george meme, and I have yet to be hit with anything within the years I have been playing this game.
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>>551439146
>>he thinks he got banned for "stop fucking leaving" and not the several dozen instances of calling others variations of nigger, faggot, and various other slurs
no, i dont *think* i did, i know i did
how do i know i got banned for that
cause i made a ticket asking about it, dumb fucking retard
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>>551439508
You get what you deserve, you racist fucking nigger
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>>551439508
>variations of nigger
>nigga
I know you're probably autistic so you think each of these individually has the same punishment value, but I'm willing to bet "nigga" is what got you reported and banned because political correctness has to assume you're KKK-tier turboracist.
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>>551439730
most likely true, but its still fucking retarded to hand out 5 day *game ban* without warnings, ddue to some tame as fuck shit like this. ive spent a lot of money on this game cause im a paypig, however i will not be spending one more dime going forward. another satisfied customer for fartshart
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Opportunist or High Voltage for the second blessing on the regular Shock Maul as Arby?
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>>551439508
huggy wuggy culture is the new norm
get creative with your insults next time
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>>551437349
>poo poo pee pee analogy
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>>551439883
>without warnings
With how gay and utterly fucking lame live service games usually go, this is your warning.
Most games don't even give a shit if you've paypiggied out of the ass, they will permaban you on the first offense without warning if you call someone a retarded monkey. While still not any less gay, it could be worse.
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>>551440156
yeah it just surprised me cause it feels like the reject voice lines are less tame than the shit ive said. the whole premise of the game is purging heretics and you cant even fucking cuss in chat cause abloo abloo think of the children
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>>551440458
Um... chuddie, you might hurt a paying customer's fee fees into not wanting to pay by saying mean things. It's already bad enough if they feel the need to report you, so if you give me any reason to click ban, you're out!!
That's why you use creative and obscure insults that ESLggers can't even understand.
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>>551439508
Why do you censor the date?
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>say the n-word
>get banned
how could this happen
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>>551441070
im a paranoid schizophrenic
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>>551440458
look at this fragging karker
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>>551439508
>said the n-word
it's over dude, give up, you can't say dumb shit like this and not expect to get some bot tagging and flagging you for bans, you have to be better about it

that being said
>banning someone for something a mute would solve
that's modern day though, you ban everyone who thinks differently, plays differently, talks differently, etc

this is partly why everyone's moved into their own discord cliques
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>>551439730
>>551439883
>>551439932
>>551440108
>>551440156
>>551440458
>>551440695
>>551443073
You’re all correct essentially. I wish you weren’t but you are. Gay world.
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>>551443073
>nigga
>n-word
kind of funny how culture flipped on this one entirely. 15 years ago it was cool to say nigga, sort of like bitch or motherfucker. Not proper of course but definitely not racist in any way. Now it evidently gets you banned from games. Crazy
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Any way to get a Havoc 40 meat grinder yet, or are we still stuck going into solo missions and spawning shit in the starting area?
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>>551445681
The latter.
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>cartel special stimms used to have a maximum cooldown of 30 seconds
>every buff on rampage was literally double their current values
>desperado and rampage were more forgiving and could easily maintain 2-3 minutes of uptime
>they changed all this last minute but left the drawbacks and other conditions as-is
Now scum makes a lot more sense. Why they expect you to manage a stimm every 60 seconds without any unmodded notification and sample collector bugging out, why rampage punishes you for failing to maintain it despite being worse than desperado builds, why the class feels like a shit balancing act of 70/30 uptime vs downtime when it was meant to be 90/10.
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>>551445891
Fucking Christ
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>>551445951
>sample collector bugging out
Nobody is buying your gaslighting because everyone has already tested this and confirmed sample collector to be functional, fuck off retard.
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depictions of brutal gore and satanic rituals BUT DON'T YOU DARE UTTER RACIAL SLURS
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>>551416570
made for white foreigner dick
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>>551443073
It's so fucking gay, dude. Imagine giving people mute and block options and still banning over random text chat trash talking. The prissy bitch and politically correct faggots in charge of this shit are more irksome than any of the hundreds of people who called me slurs or talked shit to me in games growing up. Truly amazing
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>>551445951
honestly though I think this is the better design. Having near 100% uptime on shit is boring and lame, I'd rather actually have to weigh when to use my shit
they should rescale it accordingly ofc and maybe get rid of the rampage downside, but i'm just saying too much uptime ends up being boring too
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>>551446163
A classic case of "this is a Christian server" retardation except these retards are all over the industry now. I still remember BF2 servers where the admins would boot you for swearing a couple times.
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>>551416994
That was yesterday but Merry Christmas again!
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>>551445681
there's a havoc 40 meat grinder mod
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>press the "dont be a heretic douchebag" button
>start spamming "EMPEROR IS A NIGGER CORPSE LMAO XDXDXDXD"
>get mauled to death by a cyber-mastif
>WOOOOOOOW how was i supposed to know??? credits stolen!!!
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>>551446608
Oh, I looked for one and didn't find it. I'll go check again. Must've used the wrong words
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>>551446620
Loner psyker does that and doesn't get mauled
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>>551446620
>defending these kinds of bans
Woman spotted
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>>551447052
I think he was just making a joke. In this joke, he likened the anon to a heretic who gets brutalized by an arbites
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>>551446953
Yet...
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>>551439508
lol retard.
I've whined and cried about leavers myself. I just don't drop nigga or nigger in game-chat because i know "hate crime has consequences" :^)
Gotta hide your power level sometimes. Society can't handle it.
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>>551447052
it's not defending the ban
it's mocking the banned
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>>551447325
More like you manchildren can't handle yourselves if you can't manage your tourette syndrome for 20 minutes.
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>>551416994
>1 whole day late
Americans have entered the chat.
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>>551447052
Their own fault for acting like a retard.
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>>551446437
The philosophy behind it is the polar opposite albeit
>>551446474
No it’s today
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>>551448909
Howdy-do-dee, partner. What kinda gun did YOU get this Christmas?
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>>551416994
Merry Christmas!
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>>551448749
but he said he controlled himself
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>>551446951
>>551446953
>>551447194
>>551447180
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>>551448909
Some of us are human sorry
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>>551452472
It do be like that. That happened just before Jimmy took the bothersome elf away
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>>551452503
Huh?
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+1 for Riftbreaker co-op. Worth checking out with some friends if you haven't played it yet. I tried it back in the day when it was SP only but now you can play it together. We've been playing it pretty much non-stop for the last four days.
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>>551454496
I tried the demo of it and wasn't too impressed, but it was neat. I wanted more tower defense stuff, but the defensive construction seemed pretty limited. Ended up picking up Diplomacy is not an Option
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>>551416994
Merry Truegritmas.
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>>551438882
Civility has it's fucking cost, retard.
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>>551457432
The cost of civility is the loss of gatekeeping, which allows turbotards to infest and completely ruin auric.
>*cope cope cope* but I enjoy carrying retards *cope cope cope*
Okay, I enjoy playing co-op. You can have the same experience playing singleplayer. No, they are not watching you epic clutch to record and post on reddit. They are tabbed out or on their phone. I want to be able to play with actual sapient humans and not worthless retards.
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>>551457432
>small grammatical error
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>>551454939
The lower difficulties are too tame in my opinion. We went straight for brutal and it's been pretty intense and engaging from the get-go. Definitely recommend co-op. The extra layer of coordination that having more than one person adds really opens the game up.

The base building aspect of it is closer to Red Alert or oldschool Warcraft meets Helldivers 1 rather than a tower defense map, enemies will aggro onto buildings rather than be mazed through them.

The game is incredibly technically impressive, in a way I haven't really seen anywhere else. It handles thousands of enemies on the screen really well. When the map gets full of enemies during big waves, the game's timescale turns down but it stays smooth.

I tried the demo back when it released without co-op and couldn't stick with it, either, but picking it up again with co-op and its expansions I'm honestly really impressed by it. Your mileage may vary, of course, but I'm really glad I gave it another shot because it's been awesome.
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>>551438882
>Them: Lads having a bit of edgy fun
>You: genuinely angry and full of malice
Mods could tell, sorry lad, hope you're having a merry Christmas
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>>551457748
Oh cool. I'll see if any of my buddies would be interested then, cheers.
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>>551457658
Sorry, best I can do is actual children whose parents can't be bothered to parent.
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>>551439508
>nigga
Saying any variation of nigger or nigga is just a fast forward method to getting banned in games.
Contain your power level and don't use slurs.
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>>551457956
Sure thing anon, hope you enjoy it as much as we have if you wrangle a group together for it. Merry Christmas!
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What do I put on my arbites curios
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>>551458524
toughness and revive speed
ability regen if running nuncio, something else if running BTL
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>>551458524
Resists (bomber and flamer good consideration too)
Revive
CDR (even if and including BtL)
Do not bother using toughness/health% as perks (the 5% shit, never take these on anyone).
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>>551458665
>>551458851
Thanks. What about stamina regen
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>>551459306
NTA but fuck regen just get more stamina
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>>551459306
Kind of niche/preference in general. I don't see why you'd care for it as Arbitrator. But it's okay to use 1 stamina curio (+3) or perk (+%) on anyone if you feel it's worth. I use a +3 on my Zealot for example, but it isn't necessary.
>>551459423
This is how I naturally come to be, too. I don't ever use regen (perk), but 1 blesssing (+3) is okay. Try one +3 on and off some missions and see if you can 'feel' much of a difference. I like it on zealot but anyone else mostly don't care.
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>>551452472
I actually don't recall anything asking me this
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>>551459306
Break the Line and Rapid Movement can make up for not bringing stamina regen. Bringing a +stamina curio is usually the way to go, especially if you're using the Arby Shock Maul or Crusher. You may be a more inclined to bring stamina regen if you're using the Crusher since that thing eats stamina like crazy.
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>>551459619
TOS when you first install the game
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I like the Arbites Grenade over the Shock Mine since they changed the regeneration rates.
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>>551416963
He's not wrong
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>>551460314
It's on par with psyker because of how strong toxin is and how he has multiple ways to apply many stacks of it in an uncapped aoe radius without expending a resource. In a coordinated team it also gives the rumbler ogryn infinite grenades. The crate is very powerful on havoc, as is desperado and even rampage with shivs because they inexplicably cleave so much you can cleave on havoc. They also have the strongest grenades in the game bar none, when not using the blinder for toxin (which is, again, on par with a purge psyker by itself)

Mr. Eunuch saying it's the worst class is just inflammatory clickbait to rile up people who don't play havoc by making them think the class they bought is bad.
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>>551416963
It is.
Hive scum neds to practically dedicate their entire build so they can do 1 thing well.
While something like veteran basically gets to do everything very well, in his best shit in single build.
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still not a single +3 stam curio on my arbite ;((
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>>551459306
Arbitrator has psyker stamina regen.
Both classes are almost stamina neutral by just sliding everywhere.
The only weapon that struggles with stamina is the big arbites shock maul, you might want some regen there.
The shield only struggles if you dump defenses, which I don't think you should do, but half this general has an autism tantrum over whenever you try to discuss it.
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>>551461161
You could always go to the Melk Casino and try your luck there.
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>>551461340
Yeah dumping power is arguably the way to do it (as I do now) for shield. And I was the one who posted the info pics about shield a few days ago and then went AFK just to come back to a sea of retards. And likewise yesterday the whole "flamer dump stat" nonsense had to be silenced by me yet again posting an info picture. Borderline going to stop doing it in future I think as this general just doesn't learn (mostly).
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>>551461340
>but brooo
>i neeeed to block crusher overheads
Learn to dodge.
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>>551461625
No. Dumping power is also stupid. You dump penetration because the damage loss isn't noticeable against anything but crushers, who take only +1 light attack to the head in havoc if you build correctly.
>>551461664
Your push stamina, anon?
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>>551461709
>havoc
Even worse advised for there due to the sheer volume of fluctuating of health and damage reduction values and modifiers. You have hit a wall intellectually due to being a meatgrinder warrior.
And incase someone (or you) still bemoans: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903
No more spoonfeeding.
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>>551460757
No?
>run dependency desperado
>you have infinite ammo, ranged immunity to clear every ranged section with while blasting off and can spam tox blinders into hordes so you're not useless when 500 maulers show up either

The build has no weakness other than having no stagger outside of the grenade whatsoever
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>take a look at h40 cummies
>most of them have trees that start like or similar to this
i've found the secret, bros.
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>>551462028
Anon I play more havoc 40s than probably all but 1-2 people in this general. I know how it works. I know how arbitrator works. Your role as arbitrator is never to kill crushers fast. The shield simply doesn't have enough DPS to even assume that role, unless you take literally every damage node including BTL support nodes + AV, which I don't even think is optimal either.
What completely retarded take are you going to spout next? That dog is bad because LW is somehow mandatory, when my dog regularly hits 400k+ damage?
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>>551453675
>Jimmy
???
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>>551462356
I think he's in the wrong thread.
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>>551460623
>Mr. Eunuch
Jej
>>551457658
True…
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>>551462239
Pretty sure anyone who reads and understands what each skill does and has concluded that the middle cluster is overrated and the bottom clusters are understatted has already come to this conclusion weeks ago.
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>>551462239
the bottom ones have some really insane gamechanging talents but not actually many each build wants to stack up on, and some are directly counterproductive, so stuff like this is the most logical
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>>551462337
Do you have an arbites build? I switch between arbites maul and the shield. Still cant decide between bolt pistol or exterminator for ranged
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I peed my pants a little :(
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>>551462982
we all do sometimes, don't worry.
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>>551462982
Nurgle has blessed you
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>Auric HI-INT
>start is rough as, Vet is not killing specials so im dodging sniper shots while horde clearing
>eventually get a breather and a med stim
>psyker has a corrupted wound
>tell him to give the stim to the psyker
>he eats it at zero corruption
>horde spawns, I get barrelled and downed.
>psyker tries to pick me up overwhlemed, falls back
>vet is just in a corner not even shooting with his dueling sword out
>doesn't shout
>I die
>we wipe shortly after
Hi-int aurics are harder to clear then <30 havocs purely on the fact of your teammates
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>>551462901
I run this in havoc.
Definitely stun shotgun with dog. The dog can deal with faraway targets just fine, it just takes a little longer. Shotgun fucks up nearby gunner balconies and stuns the ones far away in a single shot. The special is absolutely incredible and has a fuckload of ammo.
Bolt pistol is okay with dog bleed thanks to Puncture, but I wouldn't bring it into havoc for a lack of ammo. If you need the accuracy, use the other shotgun mark, since it has vastly more ammo thanks to fully replenishing the special shells with a small pickup. I still think the rending shotgun is kinda ass though, but it's going to do more work than the bolt pistol.
The slug combat shotgun is surprisingly okay too, if you need a fast sprinting, fast switching, accurate secondary. I've seen incendiary combat shotgun being used a decent number of times in havoc, too. Seems to perform decently. You likely need the ammo node in the center to make them good, since they can't cheat the ammo economy like the exterminator shotguns.
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>>551461709
You don't run out of push stam with Shield+Maul by using its push attack combo of PA-light-heavy. It's stamina neutral (or very close to it) without any stam regen curios.
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>>551463796
True and correct under ideal circumstances, but without BTL there will be times where you get absolutely overrun with trash and ragers while out of flashbangs, where spamming the push attack is your best way out.
And again, the DPS loss against crushers isn't noticeable. It's not your job. You bring a krak vet to take care of those, and you should have a zealot or a psyker putting brittleness on them whenever the vet can't solve that problem.
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>>551463294
Oh I should add:
If I were running this with BTL, I'd definitely run boltgun instead, since BTL almost completely solves the boltgun's weakness and can make up for the lack of stun rounds. You just leave yourself open against gunner balconies, which are the bane of many a havoc run with an even slightly below average vet.
Also, the dog brittleness node can easily be swapped for Rebreather. It's useful, but not as good as Rebreather if the mission has any flavor of corruption, which many of them do.
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>>551463294
>>551464360
Thanks for this. Glad to see its not lone wolf because I want to always have the dog
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>>551460623
He's not wrong because it's the worst class in the game for 99.99% of the playerbase. Havoc is an outlier for any class' potential.
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>>551463294
say: do you miss the other extra node for Nuncio Aquila when you run this? maybe trade any of the dog nodes for it or do you see them neccesary?
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>>551466515
The dog brittleness is the only skill that's flexible and I'd rather have Rebreather than the Nuncio upgrade.
Time between attacks is only useful on final toll, melee damage reduction isn't going to make a difference. Shield can already facetank all bosses with 80 defense anyway.
Might be worth considering against daemonhosts, but those tend to be kited more often than actually tanked. Also, excepting a small handful of maps where they're almost impossible to get rid of, triggering a ritual is a team-wide skill issue.
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>>551462982
Are you a girl?
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>>551468436
no.... :(
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>>551460623
>you actually replied to me for real
lol I'm not reading any of this shit. And stop watching YouTubers.
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>>551471068
>And stop watching YouTubers.
Based. I refuse to ever watch content parasites for any game. Their aim is always to misconstrue, mislead, and cause as much Chaos as they can (even between their own videos) for more clicks, views, discussion etc.
1. Play the game yourself
2. Use objective information where possible (e.g. kuli guides)
Boom you're top 1% player.
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>>551465189
I figure you shold measure how good a class is by its realistic performance ceiling, not by looking at how people who dont meet the skill floor do with it
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>>551471068
>And stop watching YouTubers.
I don't, I'm replying to some stupid faggot who claimed the youtuber is right that's all
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>>551464132
>but without BTL there will be times where you get absolutely overrun with trash and ragers while out of flashbangs
Literally just keep swinging and spamming heavies.
Arbites has ogryn levels of stagger. Even in havoc just spamming the horizontal heavy -> light combo gets everything short of a boss to fuck off.
And as a final point
>not using BTL
>the objectively the best arbites ability which lets you force EVERYTHING on their ass for like 4-5 seconds
>an ability which only has like 7
6 second cool down when you run max CDR curios and then Execution order
>and this isn't even mentioning psykers who come with a passive 10% CDR and then Psykinetic's aura, which will cause the BTL to become a like 5s CDR ability
There's a reason why nobody uses nuncio or castigaytors in havoc anymore. They are both objectively dogshit.
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>>551471608
When the skill floor is around the skill ceiling for most other classes, it becomes something to measure by.
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>>551471608
You are correct. Every class is some degree of shit if we judge by the average retard's handling of them.
>>551472361
No, there's nothing wrong with classes that have higher skill floors so long as it pays off, and in Cummer's case, it absolutely does. What it really means is that shitters shouldn't play the class or should finally go down a difficulty or two so they can actually learn to play the game.
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>>551472361
>When the skill floor is around the skill ceiling for most other classes, it becomes something to measure by.
I don't agree unless the skill we're talking about is rainman tier. You really don't have to be a genius to play ganger or anything, you just need to know the fundamentals. Which other classes don't you're right, but it's not actually a high bar so I'm comparing good performance vs good performance
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>Jewtubers say the dualies are dogshit and the IAG is objectively better than the autopistols
>Switch to IAG
>Do significantly worse than with either the dualies or the autopistols
What did she mean by this?
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>>551473214
skill issue
I've done well with both, IAG simply allows you the best of both SMG/Dualies worlds.
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>>551472235
>Literally just keep swinging and spamming heavies.
>Arbites has ogryn levels of stagger.
With Forceful yes. Without Forceful it's not quite as simple.
>There's a reason why nobody uses nuncio or castigaytors in havoc anymore. They are both objectively dogshit.
Every time someone says this, some other retard (You)? wipes to the director throwing 5 bosses at the group, while I just stand there and put down the Nuncio rape zone.
Everything that BTL can stun, flashbang + stun rounds can most often take care of, and a couple push attacks from the shield can still solve. Havoc 40 regulars do not need constant baby sitting and coddling, and do not need constant BTL spam the same way they don't need constant shock mine spam. Bosses however, remain a DPS check, and the faster you can take care of them, the better.
Not to mention how BTL, when used as a forcefully-throw-a-crutch-at-the-retard baby sitting tool, requires curio and skill support that I'm not willing to invest.

This isn't to say BTL is bad. I acknowledge that it's good, it has its place, and it has great synergy with bolter which is a great weapon, too. But the opportunity cost for giving up Nuncio is pretty big, and when you think in terms of overarching team composition, and assume everybody actually does their job, it's no longer necessary because shit should be dying before the knockdown spam becomes relevant.
Your take reeks of 30~39 hardstuck. 40s do not play in a manner that requires BTL. The only thing you got right is that Stance is useless dogshit.
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>>551473214
IAG does better in the meat grinder where you stand still and aim at heads
dualies do better the way you actually play hive scum, which is running at enemies and blasting at all times, with a worse rate of headshots, and where better reload speed benefits you greatly

>trusting tranner
he gets carried by his simps in every mission and he comes up with weird ass takes because he's on medication and spends hours in the meat grinder
you know why he hates the dual autos? He thinks they're bugged and have 30% less attack speed than they should have. The reason? The RPM on the weapon description says 25 and it's not actually 25 in game. It doesn't line up for other weapons either it's just a flavor number fatshark puts. This guy is autistic
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>>551473214
>What did she mean by this?
Jewtubers and psykhanium sissies refuse to run Run 'n' Gun on the dual autopistols because they already have half the blessing built in, so they never realize that the gun becomes fucking laser accurate when you combine it with Sticky Hands.
Either that or they can't aim for shit.
They probably also think crushers are somehow a problem when you have rending out the ass and can bring chain axe brittleness to trivialize isolated crushers with 2-3 attacks and then shooting their face, if you absolutely must obsess over that (picrel is pretty nice, but I think I still prefer dclaw on a ranged build)
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>>551473214
Were you playing on havoc 40? The IAG is only better than the dualies on higher tiers of havoc, below that the dualies do enough damage and let you sprint so you can run ahead and kill everything.
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Not to be gay but I want to fuck Tranner's tight little butt
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>>551476435
NTA but I think it really depends on the map. On maps with lots of positions for gunners to entrench themselves in, I'm very happy with my scum breaking away from the group and running around shooting shit, where the dual autopistols obviously have an advantage. I don't even think the IAG is generally that much better, but I'd have to do some testing myself to confirm that. I do see IAG on scum, and it does perform quite well, but it's a different role/playstyle compared to the dualies.
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>>551477068
You can technically do this with the IAG too, it just takes a lot of side dodging and sliding and you're rewarded with like 15% more damage overall. Not insignificant but you know, makes me question why I'm doing what I've been doing on vet before instead of using the new weps for the more novel experience.
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>>551478709
There's some more nuance, where the dual autopistols have less lag before you can fire accurately. Hip firing the IAG is pointless because your shots go all over the place, but hip fired dualies are surprisingly accurate, and absolutely shit on IAG's accuracy with Run 'n' Gun. It's just a matter of whether you want to give up that blessing slot, but I don't think the reload blessing is ever actually necessary on the dualies. Does feel real nice on the IAG.
But yeah I'll have to use the IAG more before I can definitively say which one is better. At least I know for a fact that dualies kill crushers much faster without FLaB, and I suspect they also kill monsters faster.
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>>551474131
>the gun becomes fucking laser accurate when you combine it with Sticky Hands.
the gun is already accurate enough to pop snipers with it, why waste a blessing slot to make it even more accurate? Much better to run reload or damage for more dps.
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>>551479103
>why waste a blessing slot to make it even more accurate?
So I can continue sprinting and dome enemies further away, rather than missing my shots. The theoretical DPS gains from reload speed are lost whenever your bullets whiff, and I can aim good enough to make use of the additional accuracy.
Also you still get a slight damage boost while sprinting obviously, but it's not why I use the blessing.
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if i hear anything about Blight samples during the pre-game loading screen, i will be leaving when i load in. lol
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tanner has literally never been wrong outside of cases where he says he was wrong and corrects himself
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>>551479275
But… that means he was still wrong…
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>>551479426
he retroactively becomes right
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>>551479058
I know this is anecdotal but I usually top the monster/boss dps with Vraks IAG and I'm sure my build is total ass.
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>>551479275
>posts video "proving" a completely retarded take with a completely inaccurate "testing method" precisely and autistically designed to make him appear correct
>says "objectively" a couple dozen times to better convince his malicelet audience
>everyone except his retarded sycophants shits on him for being a retard
>he submissively backtracks after being proven incorrect dozens of times
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>>551479647
proof?
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>>551479723
>proof-fagging
Shut up Tranner, everyone knows what you are.
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>>551479919
i accept your concession
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>all this hivcum IAG talk
Good opportunity to post the only H40 win I've had with a hiv cum on the team. I've saved it incase I want some reference for future (e.g. whenever I start playing the class).
Album link: https://imgur.com/a/alVROXb
Incase it helps with this discussion or anyone else would care to see. Now, not saying he carried, I believe all 4 of us done very well the entire run. Nobody died, and only the Psyker went down once (exploded right at the very end of a fucked up fight). Ogryn(me) Psyker HivCum Vet. Great team.
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>>551479210
>The theoretical DPS gains from reload speed are lost whenever your bullets whiff
you're not gonna whiff a lot of shots when you're constantly closing the gap. And the high rate of fire makes up for it anyway. It's a mid range class after all. If you wanna play long range scum that's fine i guess. It's just not dps optimal.
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>>551480035
>no toughness curios
>vulture's mark
oh shit nigga what are you doing
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>>551480080
>It's just not dps optimal.
I don't think optimizing for raw, theoretical DPS is worth it, anyway. You will never benefit from the reload blessing while killing monsters. You will never benefit from the reload blessing when killing crushers. You will never benefit from the reload blessing when shooting enemies 30+ meters away, which is indeed your job, because it's everyone's job to kill the bomber/sniper/trapper.
I don't need to be better at shooting trash because I don't want to be shooting trash, so the reload blessing doesn't even stack up fully most of the time.
>>551480239
not this retarded malicelet bait again
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I can't decide whether to commit fully to chemical dependency or to just half ass it and play really lazily with vulture's mark. Even though it is objectively better, I find it very difficult to actually remember to keep stacks of chemical dependency up, so I find myself not getting the full value out of it, and it has a lot of stupid mandatory tax nodes that could go into making melee slightly less painful. If I go vulture's mark I can save a few points for QOL nodes and don't have to worry about obsessively managing the cooldown of my stimmie.
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>>551480435
chemical dependency is the only keystone that matters
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Is there a mod the rewrites talents to actually say what they do?
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>>551480435
The actual strength of going VM over CD is being able to completely max out the viscosity on your stimm and never have to worry about managing your cooldowns. It's not so much about micro-managing either, but rather about always having your stimm ready when you need it, and Reflex + Fury II yielding ridiculous amounts of DPS.
Everyone shilling CD is either baiting, doesn't understand the class, or is parroting jewtubers who also don't. It's only good on Rampage.
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>>551480341
I benefit from the reload blessing 95% of the time with auric-havoc levels of enemies. Crushers get melee'd anyway so it doesn't matter. It's everyone's job to kill specialists and you can do that just fine without Run n gun. You're wasting a blessing slot. But it's not my problem. You do you buddy.
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>>551480665
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210
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>>551480665
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210
This one more or less does it.
Keep in mind that this was written by some ESL slav, and I recall some descriptions still being wrong, but in general they're more reliable than fatshark's descriptions.
Always take things with a grain of salt and reference Kuli's guides instead if you want actual truth.
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>>551481051
>You're wasting a blessing slot.
I struggle to understand how making your gun more accurate (at maximum crosshair bloom) being good is somehow a hot take, but I guess you fuckers simply can't aim worth a damn.
I guess some people just can't get out of the mindset of chasing big scoreboard numbers for fucking trash kills.
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>>551480710
Yesn't.
I got pretty good results out of a full strength and attack speed stimm with vulture's plenty of times, but I don't think it's optimal. With this you're opting out of CDR from both chemical dependency and your stimm, meaning Desperado is going to be up very rarely. If they undo their nerfs to Desperado's uptime or cooldown that hit just before the class launched, which seems likely given how much reddit and tubers are complaining about the class being weak, then this will probably see a resurgence.
Vulture's also has a lot of trouble staying up for boss fights, and can fall off during armor spam if someone steals your last hits, but again, reddit and sloptubers are complaining about every keystone except chemical dependency being shit, so expect buffs.
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agripinaa or vraks for hive scum desperado?
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>>551481480
vraks is the only IAG that matters on any build
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>>551481480
>>551481570
for braced autogun
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>>551481739
don't use braced
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>>551481448
>Desperado is going to be up very rarely.
That's fine, Desperado is very good, but I don't even spam it off cooldown anyway. It's most useful as a quick DPS boost thanks to the instant reload, for the rending, and as a defensive button press for projectile immunity while NOT shooting. The only other times I use it is if I'm literally dead out of ammo and need a reload, or (very rarely) for erasing a horde of trash real quick. It'd be nice to have more uptime on it, but I don't feel like giving up VM/VD is worth a measly 40% cooldown rate (NOT COOLDOWN REDUCTION!)
>Vulture's also has a lot of trouble staying up for boss fights,
This is unironically a skill issue, because unless you specifically mean havoc 40 boss trains (where you should be shooting specialists anyway), 100% viscosity stimm + despacito rending erases most bosses from fucking existence. Besides, you won't need VM for those anyway. Arguing that something is sub-optimal because it can't achieve 100% uptime is a terrible point anyway. It's there when it matters, and that's all that matters. Besides, VD doesn't need VM to be active anyway.
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>there are people ITT that actually think it's acceptable to give up permanent 40% CDR, permanent 20% crit and permanent 20% DR
LOL
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>he needs DR when he can be literally invulnerable
>he doesn't know VM grants 15% crit
>he unironically needs to spam his ability to compete
LOL
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>>551481857
what blessings and perks do i ran?
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oh boy here we go again
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>>551482510
dumdum + fire frenzy
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Does anyone else have a problem with Darktide and no other game where alt-tabbing causes the entire game to freeze and you always have to alt-tab back out and then back in a second time in order for the game to work? It doesn't happen with any other game so I don't think it is my computer causing this.
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>>551483314
are you using borderless fullscreen
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>>551483314
Sounds like a fullscreen (non-borderless) thing, common with that at least with many programs/games.
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Maybe if dependency was actually permanent (eg degrades faster and use stimm to reset it to full power) instead of turning the game into meter management I would consider taking it on more than just melee meme build.
Vulture already gives guns +15% crit/damage/movement/toughness regen on elites anyways, and invulnerability modifier, without being a chore to maintain.
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>Literally the beginning of mission
>two rats die around the first corner and leave
Why are they playing? I'm seriously asking why you're running the game if you're a jerk who leaves the mission after the first fall.
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>>551484245
if i go down at all i leave because that's my fail state
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>>551483350
>>551483432
Darktide doesn't even have fullscreen it defaults to borderless when you select fullscreen in the menu
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>>551483314
The game constantly crashes in hub with the error "Deadlock detected while waiting on renderer thread. Update was not called for 16.1 seconds." with 100% probability when I keep the game minimized. After the last patch, I also noticed a problem that the picture in game will simply freeze, and you will be able to open menu, but the buttons there will not work.
The whole code of this game is a piece of shit.
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here's your auric maelstrom teammate bro
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RAT'S CUM
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>>551488064
>no field improv
He's gonna find barrels going off around him.
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>>551462356
Heinrix. Sounds like Hendricks so people call him Jimmy in /crpgg/.
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>>551488658
>2,7k damage taken
He was too busy hugging the floor all game anyway. Spent half the match dead.
Genuinely, does anyone actually enjoy "playing" like this? I'm sure he'd have more fun playing heresy at the very most.
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>>551488064
nothing like having 3 of these guys and never using their melee and snatching all the ammo
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>>551491871
>team with dual stubber ogryn or accatranny veteran/psyker
>everyone cedes all ammo to them even though they're using it on poxers
>team with plasma vet who is killing literally everything
>unclear what the rest of the team is even spending their ammo on, seeing as there are no fucking targets
>team rushes ahead to grab all ammo pickups until the plasma vet is running on fumes
the duality of darktiders
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MY SLAVES, MY SPOILS OF WAR, LOOOOORD GULMUGAK!


YOU WILL PAY
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>>551492095
we can only hope that the eventual wolfer boss fight will be even half this kino
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>>551492086
>>team with plasma vet who is killing literally everything
>>unclear what the rest of the team is even spending their ammo on, seeing as there are no fucking targets
How does this even happen? Genuinely, what happens to the ammo? Does it just magically evaporate?
I've had this shit happen to me, too. Bolter vet, pop pop pop pop, bottom left of the screen is 80% just fucking me. Yet everyone else somehow runs out of ammo before I do.
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>>551481612
I believe it's 4 million each. It's way more a million.

t. way more than a million haver
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>>551452472
Good jej
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>>551493009
>bottom left
Top left.
Yes I was mad even though that shit was weeks ago. Yes I'm still mad.
Complete tourist genocide.
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I’ve been in this general for a little over a year now. Say something nice about me.
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>>551493474
There is nothing nice to say about you
*spits*
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I keep seeing despacito scums use the infantry guns over uzis. Is there any merit to doing so, or is this just psykanium warrior nonsense?
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>>551493921
tranner said it is mathematically, objectively superior because it has the 3 crits for the price of 1 mechanic and the uzis don't
the uzis don't have that mechanic because fatshark understandably wanted you to be able to proc vulture's dodge more often by rolling each individual shot
I immediately started noticing IAG scummers in every auric after he said it, though
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>>551493921
Better accuracy at longer ranges
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>>551416994
And a happy Hannukah!
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>>551493921
Better accuracy and higher DPS.
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>>551493921
The overall dps of the Vraks Infantry is competitive with the Dual Autos. Per magazine it's a little less, but the faster reload helps even it out over time. Dum Dum is a very a nice blessing to have which helps.
It has better damage and finesse multipliers so scales a little better with buffs. For example Sweet Spot talent, which returns about 16% overall damage for the Vraks, compared to the 6% of the Dualies which have relatively poor finesse. And needs less juicing to remove crushers or otherwise kill them faster, which many consider important.
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help, am retard
which of the 100 mods i use added these chevrons?
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>>551493921
IAG has slightly better DPS against light targets because it has arguably better blessings. It's easier to use because it doesn't kick like a motherfucker and the recoil doesn't bug out with the bottom left stimm tree like the dualies do.
IAG comes with the obvious downside of not being able to shoot while sprinting, and needing to aim before achieving any even acceptable level of accuracy.
>>551494178
>>551494545
It is not more accurate. It's barely more accurate while firing aiming down sights. Run 'n' Gun dualies are always more accurate in every way.
>>551494901
>needs less juicing to remove crushers or otherwise kill them faster
This is completely incorrect because any amount of rending makes the dualies achieve higher DPS against crushers. You can hit 5-6k headshot DPS which the IAG cannot match.
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>>551495073
>It is not more accurate
yeah it is
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>>551495073
>Run 'n' Gun dualies are always more accurate in every way.
Did you really have to go ahead and say something this retarded? Aim the vraks and fire a few bursts at higher damage and accuracy per shot and less damage drop-off. If you can't figure this out then you need to shut the fuck up
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>>551493474
you have a nice bum :)
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>>551495230
>>551495260
You know, I was about to make a whole autistic write-up about how and why the dualies are actually more accurate in every practical way, but you retards are just going to try to declare "I WON" and how you raped me or something even if I provide tangible proof.
Hope you enjoy making the general actively worse.
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>>551495073
>This is completely incorrect because any amount of rending makes the dualies achieve higher DPS against crushers. You can hit 5-6k headshot DPS which the IAG cannot match.

The Vraks can kill a Crusher with just the Rending from the Desperado node within a single magazine. The Dual Autopistols can't. Even stacking the stimm the Vraks still does it faster.
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>>551496350
i accept your concession
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>>551496350
Good. We don't more retards like you spreading misinformation
>are just going to try to declare "I WON" and how you raped me
Sounds like it works just like it's supposed to. Based ass rapists keeping our general clean
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>>551496450
>Even stacking the stimm the Vraks still does it faster.
What the fuck are you doing to your autopistols that they're so much worse than the IAG?
I gave the IAG every possible advantage
>+10% elites that the autopistols didn't have
>The Sweet Spot that the autopistols didn't have
>crit aura that the autopistols didn't have
And it still came out markedly worse.
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ny1 wnt 2 pley havc geimu???!?
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>friend gave me dorktide for chrimbo
yey
>you have to buy classes
what jewish trickery is this?
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>>551498380
It's DLC classes released this year. Level all of the other classes before you think about buying those (no, they're not inherently stronger than the other classes).
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>>551498380
It's only arbitrator and scum that you have to pay for. They're recently-ish added DLC classes. The other four are free.
The pig is unga bunga smash skulls easy tank mode
The fent addict is the polar opposite and so hard to play for the average retard that it'll probably get buffed into the fucking stratosphere soon lol

If you're new and don't know what to play, zealot is great for learning, but play what you want. Just be aware that the big retard will play differently by virtue of being big and retarded.
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>>551498529
>>551498541
I know, I'm just pissing and moaning about DLC.
I'm gonna play the Psyker
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>>551498529
>(no, they're not inherently stronger than the other classes)
ehhhhh
not stronger than two or three very specific veteran and psyker builds that abuse some of the most broken pieces of kit they have, which fatshark are still actively trying to nerf, maybe
aside from that, yeah they really are straight upgrades
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>>551499180
Arbitrator is really overpowered in the hands of a bad player because the class is loaded with crutches.
Scum is borderline griefing in the hands of a bad player and most have abandoned the class already, it's hilarious.
Both are pretty balanced at the top end of performance imo.
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>>551499180
arbites is easy and very strong and is competitive with psyker and veteran and is probably better than the remaining classes but not by a huge margin
hive scum is worse than arbites, psyker and veteran and probably doesn't compare favorably to ogryn or zealot either
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>>551498380
The best class in game is Psyker and it's free
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>>551500358
trvth nvke
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>>551498380
Here's the quick timeline
>Swedes say that all cosmetics need to be hyper--paypig'y to keep content free
>free content amounts to maybe 4 maps, 3 reworks for the same default classes, and maybe 2 weapons for 3 whole years
>finally release a class, charge money for it despite directly saying it was going to be free
>paypigs don't care anymore and buy it anyway
>Swedes realize they can now charge money for both content and cosmetics from now on
Welcome to shopclick, enjoy your stay
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>>551501645
did you forget about the warhammer 40k community?
whatever they spend on this is barely even a single squad of miniatures for ONE of their armies
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>>551500358
Awful for a beginner though
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>>551502461
Only for penance chasing difficulty pushers. New players can just remain in heresy until they're comfortable with the fundamentals. The only bad habits one can build are being a smigger, and overreliance on the staves. Melee psyker with a pistol is hard to learn, but most skills it'll teach you translate pretty well to every other class.
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>>551501907
I doubt actual miniature buyers make up a significant fraction of darktide players.
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>>551502676
It's not the proportion of total player count that matters
It's the proportion of total player spending that matters
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>>551502676
If it's anything like TWW fags, absolutely true.
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>>551488793
I wonder if people like that realize even a fraction of just how bad they are compared to the average Auric pub (who's already not great), or if they think their experience is the norm. Removing scoreboards was a mistake.
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>>551457760
thanks, hope youre having fun eating shit in heresy
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Someone on reddit suggested on Christmas day they let everything in the shop be available at once. I guess Fatshark isn't feeling the Christmas spirit.
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A rat broke into my house
stole all my yugioh cards and broke all my canes!
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a rat broke into my Christmas spirit and stole all my aquilas
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>>551504818
>stole all my yugioh cards
Unacceptable. It's time to invest, motherfucker
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>>551500358
(ive never made it past heresy btw, forgot to mention that)
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>>551505002
>trying to talk shit but accidentally revealing that you haven't played high Havoc where Psyker is indeed the best [damage oriented] class in the game
kek anon
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The Grinch broke into my house and stole everything but a crumb to small even for a mouse
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the grinch fucked my ass and gave me a huge creampie and I liked it
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The Grinch made me sit down and watch Jim Carry movies.
Sonic was alright
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>>551505071
(oh btw ive never cleared havoc 1 either cause i cant do a auric maelstrom)
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>>551505226
*an auric
Ftfy
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Imagine if this general shown your havoc rank. Would be VERY interesting! :^)
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>>551505226
Apparently not
>auric maelstrom
>Havoc 1
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>>551505418
*showed
Ftfy
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>>551505419
if you had ever played havoc you'd know you have to complete an auric maelstrom to unlock it lmao, fucking shitter retard
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>>551505479
(broke it)
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>>551505418
it cant cause the scoreboardtranny would neck in a nanosecond cause he cant run ahead to farm chaff in real difficulties
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>>551505625
T R V K E
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>>551505418
I haven't played it in a while
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if you don't have a scoreboard you're a tranny
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>>551505832
Being triggered by scoreboards is the surest sign of a shitter. Good players welcome it and use it to gauge their build and skill
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>>551505832
>all darktide players are just that
lmao
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>>551505897
Which is way besides the point, anon. I'd like for DT to have VT's scoreboard, but then I'm able to recognise the resident scoreboard schizo.
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>>551505926
no i have scoreboard
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>>551505962
Did i ask?
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imagine if you could get your zealot to look like this, endless dosh for fatshark
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>>551505962
Mod scoreboards are a lot more informative than VT's and unironically curb some of the retardation that can arise from only having a damage number. Obviously, it's all still going to come without context, but still.
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>>551505994
>n-n-no I am one of the good ones I swear
mod doesn't count
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>>551505625
someone's upset they cant do anything right
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>>551506123
yes it does and im not a tranny because i have scoreboard because if you dont have scoreborad you are tranny
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>>551506123
You browngroids are so desperate to troll but you're just too retarded to do it effectively
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>>551505897
t. uses it to self-affirm that hes not a shitter despite never playing havoc, much like he uses xitter to affirm he's a woman with only troon followers
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>>551506167
yes Saar I have Scoreborad
>>551506193
Sir I am from Iceland, whitest nation on earth!
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>>551506167
This nigga picked the Truth Bomb blitz and just dropped that shit on he ass
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>>551506236
yes i have scoreborad
>>551506268
this is truth
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>>551506225
I sure do wonder why you're so triggered by an objective measure of your performance (it's because you suck ass)
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>>551506052
uh oh muscle mommy thank you reddit
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>>551506357
>get last hit on plague ogryn after some shroud zealot deletes 99% of it's hp
>look gwuise im so much better i gotchme a monstwosity kwill on the scoweboawd
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>>551505832
I prefer my game vanilla.
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>>551506458
Are you seriously too retarded to look at the monstrosity damage score? Why am i asking? Of course you are
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post Scorebharats
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>>551506598
i prefer not being tranny (because i have scoreboard)
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>"Are you seriously too retarded to look at the monstrosity damage score? Why am i asking? Of course you are"
>*dumps rest of team with full stamina build to beat them to a few scab gunners*
>wipes
>scoreboard shows most elite kills
>"damn im so fucking good"
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>>551506063
>context
Yeah which is by default ignored by said schizos.
>>551506045
Yes, inherently by posting and making a pretty retarded post to boot.
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>>551506710
only a tranny not understand damage taken just as important comparison damage dealt
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>>551506710
You really don't like being called out for being bad
>>551506713
Your post was irrelevant. That's why i asked if i asked. Try to keep up
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>>551501907
>did you forget about the warhammer 40k community?
If VT2 came out today in the same way as Darktide, faggots would still be buying garbage.
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>>551506783
>you really dont like being called out for being bad
>no i have never played havoc, the TRUE measure of skill is the number of poxwalkers you cleared in heresy maelstrom!
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I HAVE MORE GREEN CIRCLES THAN YOU HAVE
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>>551496350
Sounds like they won and you got raped.
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>>551506846
The only way you can scrape together some kind of victory out of this pounding that you have been recieving is by making up retarded and brown-coded strawmen

If this argument had a scoreboard then you would have 0 damage done and 5k damage taken
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>>551506942
NOT IN THE FRIENDLY FIRE ROW
ELF
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>>551506965
>r*ddit spacing
its okay to admit you've lost
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>>551506846
nta but you sound really retarded and seething right now
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>>551506783
>your post is irrelevant because it called my dumbass out!
Bizarre and insecure logic, anon.
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This thread shows why nobody likes scoreboardtrannies.
It's just couple of faggots stroking their e-peen.
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There are better ways to keep the thread bumped than intentionally being daft, or engaging in incredibly obvious intentionally bad faith arguments for the sake of engagement.
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>>551507043
>its okay to admit you've lost
I'll be waiting for your apology
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>>551507063
nta but you sound like a drooling retard rn
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>>551506950
>rape
found the swede (migrated)
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>>551507103
if you dont have scoreboard you are tranny
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>>551507086
Illiterate mongoloid
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>>551507103
It's sad when a basic tool is so commonly misused, abused, and used as a weapon.
>look guys I got most kills! (meanwhile not good stats on other shit)
oh yeah what'd you use?
>uhh doesn't matter! I'm best player!
ok but you have a death, nobody else died, what happened?
>uh shut up! i carried!
k
And if you've been around this general long enough you see THE scoreboard schizo and how nobody pays them any mind, and nobody likes them. They're worthless posts.
>>551507193
No need to sign your post, anon.
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>>551507125
there's that retarded seethe i was talking about
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>>551507214
nta but youre the only drooling retard here
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>>551507209
this person is a figment of your imagination no one actually ignores their damage taken or deaths in favor of their damage dealt unless they are trolling
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no true scotsman
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>>551507209
Everyone already knows that the scoreboard has limitations and are best when considered with context. We have had this discussion several times but you keep igoring this becuase you have no argument
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>>551507246
You literally have my cum and your drool leaking down your chin right now
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Here's the scoreboard nutter. Weird review for Hive Scum when he was scoreboard gloating multiple posts over the class a week or two after said review.
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>>551507378
nta but thats not me you're seeing, that's you in the mirror
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>>551507425
AIIIIEEEE stop doxxing me
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>>551507368
You have no argument, either. You're crying for the sake of it as you're bored. Imagine trying to defend the scoreboard schizo because...context? Yeah, context you're not privy to as you're new or ignorant.
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>>551507425
literally who
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>>551507425
Is this scoreboard nutter with us in the room right now?
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>>551507425
Velcrospider, correct?
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>>551507425
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198110349660/recommended/1361210/
>11 hr review
>FINALLY this is what the game should have been
>>551507606
The guy that kept scoreboard posting on here and then had a meltdown for a while.
>>551507620
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/545543505/#545571530
>>551507643
Top of pic.
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>>551507665
>Top of pic
Knew it
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>>551507665
>2484 hours
>doesn't have all the achievements from darktide
HOW
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>>551507665
No idea who the fuck this is but i'm enjoying the meltdown
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>>551507906
>No idea
Read, anon, read!
>Here's the scoreboard nutter
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>>551507979
I should shit on scoreboardlets more often. There seems to be some kind of civil war brewing
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>>551507665
I mean... I'm also going to scoreboard post. Scum does very well but it's easily one of the most boring classes to play. At least when I kill a hallway of gunners on Arbites using the duckbill it takes a few shots and I feel like I accomplished something useful in the scenario.
On scum everything dies to whatever build or weapon and it's magically found a way to be very boring.
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>join in the last minute
>scoreboard mod only starts working when I join
>mag dump everything with my bolter
>top damage!
HEH, NOTHING PERSONNEL KID
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>>551508247
let it go. you got destroyed
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>>551508210
oh hey that guy helped me with group penances
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Scoreboard homos are the ones who intentionally go to last-hit bosses. Ever wonder why some people wait when a boss is low, then rush in when it's 1-hit away.
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>>551508432
Sound like they really struck a nerve. Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist?
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>>551508432
You've tried to claim this like 3 times and nobody has ever cared about boss kills.
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>>551508432
the only thing that anyone cares about is damage dealt and whether you took enough damage to go down lol
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>all 1 minute apart
noticing
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>>551506760
>minimum health psyker goes down 3 times
>damage taken below 400
>ogryn uses two medicae
>damage taken easily above 400
Damage taken isn't really a reliable measurement, especially when you factor in good players only ever taking damage to revive the retards (I've stopped bothering at this point, just let them die if it'd drain my HP for whatever reason)
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>>551509224
me2
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>>551509334
based and true
bring a krak grenade next time, anon
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>>551509334
don't play Havoc
Faggotshark won't move a finger until they see their player retention game mode is empty
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>>551510347
But its the only game mode I find fun anymore...
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>>551507665
I don't have a horse in this race but I've seen you autist(s?) obsess over this dude several times now and it's pretty weird and you should probably get therapy. I didn't even know you could stalk reviews like that. Having that knowledge is weird as fuck. Glass houses, my friend, you have no right calling someone a "nutter" when you behave like this.
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totally not him btw
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>everyone who disagrees with me is [boogeyman]
meds
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>>551510658
>Glass houses, my friend, you have no right calling someone a "nutter" when you behave like this.
yeah, theyre the one who cast the first stone, if they didnt want this they shouldntve acted out. also where do you think you are, this isnt some bastion of not being petty
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>>551510658
I think velcro is annoying and seeing people cyberbully him to keep him away is a good thing.
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>>551510658
It's funny. You can shit on the scoreboard haters and they'll turn around and attack some random guy who triggered them several months ago
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>>551510959
>if they didnt want this they shouldntve acted out
I don't have the full context so maybe this person is a faggot, and if the scoreboard posts are anything to go by, it's pretty faggy attaching your name to a 4chan image in the first place so I believe it, but it's still weird as fuck to obsess over that person and repeatedly bring them up practically unprompted for several generals now.
No wonder nobody wants to play with you faggots.
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I dont even remember the name of anons who did play with me last week, what is this
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>>551509334
Trauma staff is pretty good for rotten armor.
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>>551511187
because we know hes here forever, hes the only one that posts scoreboards. theres couple schizos that come to this general, theres the ratfags and the troonguard, and now the schizoboard is going to be one of them, and i feel like im missing one
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>>551511791
canefag
guy that chimps out the moment anything Vermintide or rat related gets posted
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>>551511791
I've posted scoreboards before and after the guy posted and I've always made an effort to censor names. Is this just scoreboard haters being severely autistic and anally annihilated or something? Is that all this is? Hilarious if true.
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>>551511926
Sure sounds like it. have been dunking on anti-scoreboard shitters since long before any of this drama started and now he's clearly desperate to find a new angle of attack in his doomed campaign against the scoreboardchads
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>>551511840
we get it, youre the ratfag
>>551511926
the thing is, nobody cares about scoreboards, people care that you, not you specifically, care about posting scoreboards, because youre just doing to inflate your own ego, it means nothing else beyond that because this isnt a pvp game, like league or dota or whatever, its a pve game. you dont need a number to tell you someone is awful, if you do, you might be retarded, like literally incapable intuiting why things are going badly
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>>551511091
This. Anyone else is most likely velcrofaggot himself and ergo needs to fuck off permanently.
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>>551511926
It's just tall poppy syndrome.
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>>551512651
>nobody cares about scoreboards
You sure seem to care a whole fucking lot if you're going out of your way to stalk someone for posting scoreboards.
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>>551512651
>canefag reveals himself
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>>551512651
>>551512701
>>551512854
None of these people are real. Take your meds
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>>551512651
>nobody cares about scoreboards,
>people care that you... care about posting scoreboards
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>>551512772
>>551513190
man, i keeping fucking this up but the point still stands, thats not what i said
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>>551513304
I think I'm going to start posting scoreboards more often just to piss retards like you off into having some schizophrenic melty about some made-up boogeyman. In fact, I think I'll single out the bottom performing retards.
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>>551513541
Be sure to only post scoreboards of missions you succeed on so not only does the scoreboard not matter, but you can put the low performers on blast and complain that the bag was tainted by their inability to git gud.
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>>551513541
Here's that civil war i was talking about >>551508128
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>>551513541
whatever helps you get over your period
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>>551512901
>>551507665
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>>551513631
>Be sure to only post scoreboards of missions you succeed
So you want me to post every auric scoreboard? I guess it's an ego thing, then, since you seem to imply that I would somehow fail the easy mode after playing havoc on the regular.
Oh, oh, is your next line going to be some biased cope about how true survivors are bad? How deep does your schizo rabbit hole go?
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>>551513541
>i'm gonna act like more of a fag and prove your point
Wow, you sure showed him.
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>>551513816
Yes. Post EVERY successful missions scoreboard.
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>>551513816
>How deep does your schizo rabbit hole go?
As far as your cock will go, big boy
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Goo>Cryo>Flamer
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>>551513961
Goo is such an odd weapon. Sludge blast is probably the most fun I've had on driller.
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just woke up sick today. What are we arguing about?
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>>551513961
>>551514310
Goo blaster is the only weapon i have actual experience with hehe (i'm talking about my penis)
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>>551514350
scoreboard haters having a fullblown tranny meltdown
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>>551514350
Scoreboard Mod. Some people think it's good for the feedback it provides, others believe it is just ego stroking and green circle chasing.
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>>551513961
I also think goo is the patrician choice, but it starts sucking major cock when you activate the optional movement speed buff.
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>>551514419
>>551514432
Ah I see. Well it's both.
Some anons use it to chase numbers and seek validation and brag. Others use it for scientific purposes and testing. Silly thing to argue about when both sides are correct.
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>>551514668
But which side is more correcter?
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>>551514668
everyone is dunking on the retards who pretend like the scientific purposes don't exist
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>>551514727
Discarding a useful tool just because some retard misuses it is retard behavior.
The scoreboard haters are objectively retarded.
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>>551459619
You being wilfully ignorant doesn't mean the rules don't apply to you.
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>>551514893
rules don't apply to me
i'm a free spirit
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>scientific methods
/copeg/ labs truly produce the most autistic gorillas in god's zoo
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>>551514947
Ahh! A ghost!
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>>551515012
Nice. Gorillas are jacked
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>>551515012
And we're proud of it!
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>>551462239
Lemme guess, running a double barrel shotgun? Because my build for that looks practically identical since the top left talents synergize really well with it.
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>>551514947
>>551515047
Cute!
>>551514668
The first ones probably make up a majority sadly
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>>551511840
Not a person weirdo
>>551508210
Why Velcro specifically why not leather
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>>551515976
Leatherspiderman sounds kinky
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>>551497946
Who is this character havik bro??
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>>551498380
>implying this is something new to the tide games or even just the industry in general
Never played Vermintide I’m guessing? Welcome to gaming in current year
>>551501907
Weird thing to say. Most players are not spending thousands on the table too.
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Does long duration increase the duration of the aoe stimm buff?
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>>551516672
No
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>>551514784
Nobody dismisses the tool. It's specifically been about schizos who blogpost and abuse it.
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i wish someone could make Astartes and Primarch-like mods for Darktide.
>more active enemies at every difficulty
>deeper ammo reserves
>rebalanced weapons and new weapon variants
>additional loadout options (i.e. being able to equip a sidearm with a shove/bash/block alt fire in the melee weapon slot)
>new and improved cosmetic customization
>and more
FatShark being less supportive of mods than Saber only betrays a lack of confidence in their product.
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>>551504952
>>551496680
>>551505076
>>551505217
>>551505226
>>551505625
>>551505685
>>551506950
good posts made me laugh
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>>551517064
Sucks
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I cannot believe that the Arbites and Hive classes have zero cosmetics in the free portion of the Commissary. No outfits, no weapon skins, no nothing. This game will never stop feeling like an Early Access title.
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>>551506396
got his ass there
>>551509334
i look like this
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>>551516224
Hmmm… I guess….
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>>551518526
Not as kinky as latex though
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>>551517038
Saber supports mods? I don’t think I’ve seen any yet for SM2
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>>551519118
There are lots of mods for that game.
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Hive scum a grenade launcher and then I will consider buying it.
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>>551517583
the ones in there are pretty much just recolors of penance cosmetics anyway
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>>551515712
I honestly don't recall for that specific picture. But I have seen a couple high-havoc cummies with DBS (it is rare).
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>>551519118
Space Marine 2 has a bunch of mods. Astartes and Primarch are my favorites. i talked about them a little here >>551517038 but not in much detail because they do a lot.
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>>551517583
wait until you realize they wont ever get a new weapon either
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>>551519969
the rocket launcher is pretty cool but a grenade launcher that's an actual primary weapon would be sick.

>>551521941
don't say that. i need an unsilenced version of the dual Autopistols and more Bolt Pistol variants.
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How should you be handling rager packs in darktide that ambush you or spawn from seemingly no where? I am a shitter but I always get murdered usually by a few ragers mixed into groups. My friend said you shouldn't really try to melee ragers unless you have to and instead you should just shoot them. Is that true? When I am playing ogryn, I usually feel okay though. Its when I play other classes that the ragers really fuck me. Particularly on hive scummer.
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>>551522710
>ragers
Block, homie. I know it's counterintuitive but until you learn their moveset just block and learn when to dodge. Countering them without the ability to stagger is almost guaranteed health damage. So if you block there is the opportunity for your teammate to kill them. I'm so sorry you won't see your name in the kill-feed but at least you are alive. Shooting them from a distance is not a bad tactic.

Ogryns have a passive that let them heavy stagger hordes by simply dodging. So if you see a rager, or a mauler, in a horde just dodge INTO the horde and focus the rager. If you have played Vermintide they are the 1 to 1 copy of monks and berserkers. Just block, dodge, and counter attack once they wear themselves out.
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>>551522924
>they are the 1 to 1 copy of monks and berserkers
I think the darktide ones are easier to sidestep
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>>551522710
>My friend said you shouldn't really try to melee ragers unless you have to and instead you should just shoot them.
Yes, for the most part before you learn their timings. When you dodge backwards hit ctrl to slide backwards and create some distance. If you have your melee out and it's a nimble weapon then you can just sprint away and create some distance between you and a sudden rager pack, provided you have some stamina
If you do, you can also slide while sprinting away to give yourself a little speed boost to create a little more distance, at which point you should be able to pull your gun out and shoot them.
If you have no space to move and you're otherwise stuck in a corner or mob, then try spamming pushes when you're blocking, might take a few pushes but ragers will eventually get staggered and let you stab them a few times, this is one of the more reliable ways of doing it when you have a heavier weapon with high stagger values.
If nothing else, just hold block and back up, and hope a teammate sees you in time to save your ass if you're in a really bad spot, or until their chain ends and you can attack them more freely.
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>>551521941
I dunno about that
>fatshark explicitly choosing to only make human classes, saying they don't want to do ratling
new human common pool weapons seems likely
>fatshark is greedy enough to be shelling out paid classes after all
paid weapon packs for those classes seems likely
I mean, fuck, it's more than a little suspicious that arbites didn't get the dominator maul or the executioner shotgun.
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Would the heavy sword become kino again if it got parry instead of its special attack?
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>>551452472
kek'd
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Fartshart has the track record of tying new weapons to class dlcs. So if anything expect new classes with weapons locked to that DLC. Which is tantamount to danging a carrot in front of the piggies.
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>>551523945
Bro. its 10 bucks. You spend more on tacos and mountain dew for one meal. I'd wipe my ass with 10 dollars.
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>>551524020
I'm just saying it's their track record. Hell, right now V2 has all of their careers on sale for <$15. And they gave V2 away for free a while ago. So people have 100% of the game from the get-go and haven't even dropped 20 bucks. And it's one of the best co-op games on the market.
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>>551522710
If you are playing ogryn or arby, you just melee them in the head since you stagger practically everything.
On any other other class you need to block, dodge and kite them around and attack them when their combo ends. Or kite them towards your team so they can help you.
If you got an ogryn in the team you stay close to him, especially if he has Taunt as an ability.
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>>551524206
Vermintide 2 is waaaay too sweaty for me to enjoy. Its impossible to play the game normally and enjoy it.
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man, i swear to God i'm never playing norms again after they add Chaos Wastes to Darktide. the amount of boring ass objectives they cram into the missions kills me. no, i don't wanna stand in the green chamber for 7 minutes while we hack the mainframe, or while someone collects biological samples and uploads them to the floating, skull-shaped computer. fucking Operation Raccoon City ass objectives.
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>>551523945
True, but I can't buy an ogryn DLC class.
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>>551524557
Darktide Chaos Wastes will include objectives.
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>>551524557
oh God, and how could i forget "collect the big ass cylinders – and you can't wield a weapon while collecting the big ass cyclinders." i miss when Killing Floor 2 and Vertmintide 2 were still fun to me. fuck.
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I can only play Ogryn and Veteran in Havok successfully. Am I a shitter?
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>>551524020
You're interpreting what is said in the lowest IQ way. No adult can't afford to spend 10 bucks on his hobby. That's not the point anyone is making.
The point isn't that it's cheap or expensive to buy individually, the point is that the 10 dollars add up for Fatshark to be a lot of money, so they want to incentivize as many people as possible buy it. So what better way to do that than to add powercreep weps to the old classes that fuck their balance up?
It's not about how much it costs, I'd pay 300 bucks to play this game I got money and I've put enough hours into it to justify it. The issue is when the business decisions start fucking with the game balance
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>>551524581
They actually would probably never make an Ogryn DLC class right? The other classes share the "human" weapons so they technically are getting more content just because they can use the baseline stuff. No other class shares anything with the Ogryn. I feel like Fatshark resents putting the Ogryn in because none of its stuff crosses over with other classes.
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>>551525731
It would be cool if Ogryn had more classes to compensate for having less weapons and never getting shared ones
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>>551525731
Yes. You'd be right.
It's one of the reasons why ogryn is constantly getting shafted when it comes to weapons even. Like notice how the only new weapons for ogryn are just
>2 variations of a folding shovel
>3 pickaxes
>3 sniping guns for unga bunga, close range melee brawler class
And then there was that leak which shoved there's 3 giant sledge hammers coming for ogryn who knows when. Unless they are quite literally just pickaxe reskins, or worse yet, just premium skins for the pickaxes.

Ogryn being so unique as a class is a miracle. And I am surprised that Fatshark even made him in the first place. It basically feels like it might've not even been their own decision to add ogryn as a class.
Also seeing ogryn getting shafted, is the biggest evidence that we might never ever see stuff like eldar, kroot, techpriests or even skitarii as classes.
Since all of these would require Fatshark to make
>entirely new body model
>entirely new animations
>entirely new assets for cybernetics, wraithbone or other bits for xenos
>entirely new catalogue of weapons that they can't reuse on any other class
All of this applies to ogryn as well.
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>>551523945
>>551524206
It's not really that simple. VT2 also had weapons tied to map packs(winds of magic, back to ubersreik) and a DLC that was just a weapon pack(forgotten relics) and apart from the ones locked to DLC classes all the new weapons for Darktide have been free so far.
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>>551524557
yeah you tell em
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>>551524910
no, those are hard to play well / easy to fuck up. You're certified "ok".
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>scan stuff with auspex
This penance is brokeded, isn't it?
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>>551525731
>They actually would probably never make an Ogryn DLC class right?
There are a few things that could share with the ogryn;
Servitor Ogryns; Laziest and most likely option. Thematically paired with the inevitable admech class. Just slap some extra bits on the ogryn body and add some new voices. Get the big shock fists from the Necromunda line and some new guns. Maybe a unique cyber-parts tree gimmick.
Minotaur; Second laziest option. Nothing unique aside from horn guns. Just an excuse to add more weapons to the big body rig for sweet dlc money.
Ork; Not lazy, and most unlikely unless Fatshark pulls a general Ork update. But they would block sharing any Ork weapons with Ogryn.
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>>551529836
>fist weapons
I'd really like to see this in-game above and beyond anything else. Give me a brawler that just punches shit.
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>>551524557
There should be more objectives like using a discarded tank to fire into a wall to make an entry point.
Like for example during a mission you need to get from point A to point B and there's a moment where you need to cross a bridge. But say the heretics booby trapped the bridge and collapse it with explosives.
So the strike team has to think on the fly and notice that there is an abandoned tank in their area but still has some ammunition in it, so the objective becomes that you need fix up the tank with Hadron's or Kay-X's instructions to make it drivable, and then drive it to a spot and then fire the cannon on it to breach a wall so the strike team can continue to their objective.

Hell, maybe there could be a side objective where you also recover the tank alongside the main mission. And make it so that the side objective rewards moebian steel or something that you can then use on making red weapons. (obviously we don't know if they'll add red weapons it's just an idea)
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>>551530498
>fix up the tank with Hadron's or Kay-X's instructions
Isn't that tech-heresy?
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>>551529836
I don't think an ork would fit the slow and lumbering type. Even the biggest gits are cunningly quick. Slow and lumbering is typically reserved for their enslaved beasties and even ogryns they paint green.
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>>551530625
Field repairs and maintenance are still allowed (though the tech priests reserve the right to complain about the shoddy job later).
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>>551530625
>Isn't that tech-heresy?
>"Listen clanker, you got better fucking idea on how we'll complete our mission before we get overwhelmed by the heretics?"
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>>551529836
A servitor ogryn or a minotaur would make the most sense.
Orks are unlikely to ever be a player class in this game since it just doesn't really fit, it is true that Inquisition does sometimes "work" with orks. But it is less "working with them" and more like giving a loaded gun to a crackhead and pointing him towards a guy and telling him "he has like 20kgs of crack at his house, you can have all of it if you break into his house", but eventually that same crackhead will come back to you and try to kill you since he thinks you might have crack for him too. Which is one of the reasons why working with orks is very rare for inquisitors and they would rather not deal with them at all.
Also we have zero mention of orks anywhere in the game currently, like not even as enemies.
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>>551530625
Doing anything outside the instructions is tech-heresy, innovating is tech-heresy, but doing field maintenance is not tech-heresy, guardsmen for example are responsible for maintaining their own wargear and are taught how to do so. Complex technology is the purview of the mechanicus though because they have the proper instructions, unguents and incense for the job where an average human doesn't.

It's worth pointing out that most tech-priests have no more idea how anything works than anybody else, they just memorize instructions written down and preserved for thousands of years without understanding why that makes the technology keep working. A tech-priest in 30k scrubs carbon build up off the plasma coil because otherwise it'll overheat and explode, a 40k tech-priest scrubs motive force effluence off the plasma coil, burns incense and prays to the machine god for 6 hours because otherwise the machine spirit will get mad and punish them by exploding.
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>>551532276
>Also we have zero mention of orks anywhere in the game currently
Reminder that literally every single planet in 40k is seeded with Orks. There are Orks somewhere on Tertium.
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>>551532731
Surely just a deamonhost. Right?
Right?
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>>551532276
All sound and reasonable arguments why it should never happen. However, Necromancer
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>>551532731
That sounds more like genestealers than orks. Orks would be more obvious, unless it's really early in the ecosystem and it's just squigs and snotlings.
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>>551532731
>Reminder that literally every single planet in 40k is seeded with Orks.
No, not at all. They are extremely common, yes, but they are not everywhere. Not every planet has orks on them, also if Atoma Prime was known for having tribes orks on it, it would have already been mentioned long time ago.

Also remember this whole Mourningstar snippet is like 2 years old at least and has gone quite literally nowhere.
And you do realize how fucking vague this shit is anyway.
>possible xenos sighting
>possible
This shit could literally mean anything from local Tertium alien fauna, to ambulls, krotalids, to eldar, to genestealers, to even an over grown fucking rat.
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>>551533073
>to even an over grown fucking rat
The jig-trick is up! The stupid man-things are on to us, yes yes, scurry-hide!
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When they add the admech class I hope that they have a really annoying dickhead personality who pisses off everyone else by calling them pre-servitors
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>>551533428
i just want mecha-dendrites
but i don't think fatshark is up for the task
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>>551533428
And then clankers wonder why nobody likes them.
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>>551524910
Ogryn is one of the harder classes to play well, and not get carried in havoc IMO.
I used to play ogryn all of the time, but honestly these days I cant be fucked to play ogryn at all. It feels not so impactful at all.
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>>551532276
there's a ork finger trinket cosmetic
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>>551446437
Sorry to break it to you, the world is a Christian server.
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Finally giving melee Psyker (and Assail) a proper try after almost 100 missions on Psyker and it honestly feels like Rampage Scum without downsides and more uptime, the +movespeed node especially feels so fucking good and you can delete crushers, only 'really' scary thing is massed ragers
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>>551535494
it do be like that
nice goggles
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>>551517064
Merry christmas
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>>551524557
We need a resident evil tide already
>>551529836
Ork is definitely not happening right out the gate
>>551530654
Ogryns aren’t slow and lumbering, they’re very fast, at least when they’re running in a straight line
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>smigger issuing orders
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>>551535494
>it honestly feels like Rampage Scum without downsides and more uptime
That's because it is basically is.
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>>551532276
Inquisitors who work with Orks are usually smart enough to just point them at a issue, stay far away when it all happens when the fireworks happen, and then mop up whatever is left when the fighting is done. Working right alongside them like would be necessary for Darktide would be suicidal.
We do have mentions of them but it’s only passingly and not in any real context iirc, although there’s probably a few about them we haven’t heard. There’s a LOT of lines of dialogue in this game. Even Necrons got a shout out.
>>551533428
That’s Kayex thing they need to find their own.
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I have to play frontline in party finder games for havoc as I cannot trust randoms to fucking melee.

Release me from ogryn/arbites I fucking beg you
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>>551539837
i'm stuck playing psyker because i don't trust psykers to put their bubbles in good spots. Too often they hesitate when we should be taking space.
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>>551540261
Whenever I play veteran I just get raped by the horde. Can't even focus on the monsters running in as every retard is attracted to the big things like a moth to the flame. I find BLO rumbler ogryn is best for handholding.
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>want to hear new voice dialogue
>dialogue basically never plays on aurics and above because of the constant callouts
>dont feel like playing anything below aurics
cool
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>>551542685
You actually want to hear the dialogue? I have a fucking mod that turns off all of the voice acting in the game. It's unreal how annoying it is compared to the writing in VT2.
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>>551507770
I'm at 1200 and also don't. I don't really play Ogryn and barely play Psyker
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>>551543346
You’re exaggerating, the newer stuff isn’t great but there’s line and exchanges that are fun and even interesting, stuff like the French Psyker divining that the Scottish zealot is hiding/running from something is very intriguing
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>>551539319
And even more smarter inquitors would just not work with orks at all. Especially in such a precarious situation that Atoma is in, like the last thing Atoma needs is a 2nd frontline to open with greenskins, a frontline which would just be a war of attrition which will bleed the warband and entire Atoma dry considering that it is constantly pointed out by Rannick and other characters that the Moebian Domain is cut off thanks to the surrounding warp storms.
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>pickpocket hive scum picks up 10 small ammo and 4 big ammo
>vet and me spend the whole mission subsisting off orange ammo + survivalist
Mission was fine but what a teamplayer
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>>551545426
>pickpocket scum just below 20%
>picks up big ammo
>very soon after makes a kill that would have gotten them back to 20%
>there's a vet on the team starved for bolter ammo
I'm really, really beginning to wish we could filter out classes.
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>>551545663
it just makes you wonder why they even do it. Do they not understand they have infinite ammo?
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>>551545426
I really wish there some kind of indicator for mates if you pick pickpocket same as vet nade talent from boxes, I never pick up ammo with pickpocket, literally not needed and always have to tell my mates it's fine
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>>551545767
They can't function in melee, so feel they need to stick to shooting, but are just narcissistic enough to think they're so good in that role they have priority on ammo pickups. To be fair, scum can rack up a ton of damage and kills, but most of that is trash, no elites and specials, vet should always have priority.

Also I think these are players that don't monitor the UI elements that tell them what the other players have got, or don't know how to read it.
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>>551545904
I think pickpocket is very obvious, if they blast shit for no reason they're running pickpocket. As for vet I don't think anyone DOESN'T pick nade regen, or atleast I think they would be very very stupid not to and probably dont deserve grenades anyway
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>>551545767
Some people genuinely have ego problems. Not like they boast or whatever, but they feel that they NEED to kill everything and all the pickups are for them alone. I'm missing ANY ammo? First ammo pickup is mine. I have a sliver of corruption? First med stimm or medicae is MINE. A single gunner? Not worth my time, a horde that is handily being routed by another player? Can't have that, THROWING GRENADE.
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>>551544220
no im not exaggerating, i'd rather kill myself than listen to another line from masozi or zola
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>>551546125
>watched a veteran eat the med stim when he had zero corruption in front of the psyker who was just downed.
I seriously don't understand these people.
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>>551546285
True but those are the worst and I think the best cancel them out. If only we could selectively hear only one…
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>teammates insist on sniping every stimm, medkit and ammo crate on the map
>never use them
>literally turn into loot pinathas when they die
there's something oddly comedic about this
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>>551547401
These are the same people who wonder why they are picked last.
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Best zealot weapon/spec to counter rotten armour?
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>>551548002
Probably dueling sword/flamer
Zealot seems like complete ass into Rotten Armour.
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>>551548002
Dueling sword and flamer, doubly so if you have a fire staff psyker in the party
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>>551541286
9 out of 10 arbetus I see are autistic children with no object permanence. If you are not on their screen you do not exist
It doesn't matter if they hear dogs barking, grenade pins pulled, webs flying, chainaxes revving and 3 mutants going
>AAAAAAAAAAAA
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
They will not under any circumstance even consider turning around and helping
They do see the two gunners 40m away who the veteran hasn't shot yet for some mysterious reason so naturally they start sprinting ahead to melee them
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>>551507770
Completely irrelevant anon here but there are some achievements you have to really go out of your way to get and play stuff I personally don't find fun. Like, doesn't the "something in your eye" achievement require using the un-upgraded ogryn box? I don't see myself ever doing that unless I'm really bored. I've also yet to look up the way to get the long bomb achievement, but it doesn't seem like it's something that will just happen eventually from normal grenade use.
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I can actually tell if someone's going to be glued to the floor within the first 10 seconds of fighting enemies in the mission
the dead giveaway is, without fail
>shoots at shit you're meleeing
because this signals that he does not have the awareness to pick targets on his own or look around on his own, which means it's the type of player who plays ranged only and gets attritioned by poxwalkers.
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>>551488684
Isn’t he a psyker? He looks pretty actually
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>>551552258
Heinrix is incredibly based and yes he's a psyker
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>>551552258
Femcels simp for him hard, but his faith safeguards his purity. Also autism.
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>>551552258
He's the best kind. Sanctic psykers are crazy good in rogue trader.
>free, infinitely stacking resolve (stat that charges ults)
>staff that deals Xd10 damage in an area where X is resolve (again, infinitely stacking)
>healing and buffs that target all allies at once regardless of line of sight
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>>551550994
Long Bomb is yeet a grenade and kill 5 enemies without bouncing? Frags stick to armor. That isn't a bounce. Plenty of areas with big open areas and that throwing-arc is fucking spot on.
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>>551532860
What I would give to see the other Winds properly represented in a Tide game. Imagine the fun and gameplay.
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>>551548002
People mentioned the what, but not the why.
Flamer specifically for brittleness to help your team deal more damage to them.
Dueling sword obviously works as possibly the highest anti-armor DPS option, but thammer also works. Chorus thammer is viable and strong, but likely wants Martyrdom which becomes a little problematic in havoc when accounting for corruption, so bring some corruption resist on your curios if you do take Martyrdom. But you can always just do BP with dueling sword and leave the really thick rotten armor hordes to your team. Just make sure that you stack brittleness before you whip out chorus, otherwise you'll spend the entire duration of chorus not contributing to damage.
Also don't bring knives into rotten armor. Both grenades are more useful against it.
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>>551416505
>Hat's in store, 3 for the price of 2!
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>>551554603
>best anti-armour option zealot has is the generic toothpick sanicfast precision weapon
>the class specific motorized and electrified twonhaders iconic to the setting can never be allowed to hit good breakpoints, nevermind actually feel good to use because they are balanced around 5 stacks of edging an aneurism
FART
SHART
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Scoreboard posting to make shitters feel inadequate
>VM and VD are le bad
>Desperado is le bad
>100% viscosity is le bad
>Run'n'Gun is le bad
Burgle showed up and died in under 5 seconds, I thought someone else had contributed but evidently not. Didn't even get to shoot it in the ass. Just about exactly 1 million of my damage was all ranged, the rest was mostly blitz with a sprinkling of melee for trash clear.
>no toughness curios? le BAD!!
The constant burster spam was pretty rough, but 2 health curios neatly bailed me out. I think the only times I took damage were from mutant spam pulling me into bursters and/or fire, and the occasional silent corner or door burster that nobody was able to hear. I probably would've gone down if not for bomber & flamer resist spam on my health curios. I don't think I'd ever run toughness curios except for maybe Rampage + Dependency builds for tanking gunners with Tis but a Scratch, but I haven't played enough melee scum to have any confidence in that. My current build just has the base 125 toughness, might be worth dropping the +25 node in the center.
>autopistols are bad against crushers! useless!!
I think I only bothered to combo stimm + despacito exactly once all game against the burgle, but that was because my stimm was already active when it spawned so I quickly magdumped then insta-reload and killed it. Turns out Long Lasting is indeed quite good. Crushers just kinda died, usually to me erasing 80% of their healthbar while the zealot pulled out his bolter, then domed the fucker. Granted, the director didn't throw trains of 6 of them at us, but even then, that's what the reddit launcher is there for.
>zealot not even 400k damage? Must be le bad!!!! Carried!!
Team was quite unga, but I'm pretty sure zealot was the best teammate lol. His chorus usage was ALMOST on point, he only missed using it a couple times when bursters showed up, but I didn't pay attention to his cooldown, he might have just not had it.
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>>551564427
It's not quite that extreme, just almost. Relic Blade is another good option, and deals perfectly adequate armor damage after applying brittleness with flamer. Stabs have good range and precision, overhead spam deals slightly better DPS. I think the biggest issue is that the only other viable anti-armor weapons are the knife which has terrible range, and eviscerator and chain axe, both of which just get you killed if you wait out the animation until it actually deals enough damage.
>they are balanced around 5 stacks of edging an aneurism
I think this part is even worse, because I'm pretty sure you're presumed to run FotF or at least stealth, too. I do think it's fine to give some actual opportunity cost to using chorus, but zealot really did suffer quite a bit between the tree rework, massive CDR nerfs, and armor buffs. I think FotF and stealth deserve slight cooldown buffs. Chorus is in a fine and good spot right now imo.
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>>551554603
Knives are almost essential when taking flamer or boltgun. Stacking brittleness stacks between melee hits without the knife is not good.
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Is combat axe trash in darktide? I played ogryn for many hours and have hardly ever tried any of the human weapons. I tried the combat axe and this thing feels like ass. What am I missing about it?
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>>551565865
Only if you're using the flamer wrong, and arguably playing zealot wrong.
You should be holding the flamer whenever you aren't actively meleeing, to offset the horrible swap time. You should be spamming the primary whenever possible for stagger/suppression especially in corridors. You almost always have time to stack brittleness on a horde before you start meleeing or use chorus.
Knives are more powerful for being knives, and maybe sometimes with the boltgun, but flamer really, really does not need them in havoc. You just need to position differently and regularly weave in and out of the front line. Stun grenades are extremely useful, immolation grenades are surprisingly good for keeping trash off your ass while fighting bosses, and deal more damage to elite hordes than you might think. 2 immolation grenades also clear out rituals all on their own with no other input, while a single one obviously makes them die much faster.
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>>551566483
>What am I missing about it?
You probably didn't use the Rashad with Headtaker + Brutal Momentum. It also has juicy crits, so build for those and finesse. It also has pretty good push attacks.
I think it's ever so slightly overrated and also boring to use, but it's definitely NOT trash, and in fact, decently powerful. Quite good on arbitrator actually.
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>>551566562
>ur wrong
Using knives allows you to kite better with the flamer as zealot?
This isn't even an outlandish opinion. Plus it has the added benefit of sniping specials when in a pinch, or when your vet is dead.
You seem to have an outlandish opinion on most H40 builds then just say everyone is wrong but you. They aren't zealots best nade, that would be stuns. But 9/10 times I'm taking knives on a flamer builds.
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>>551568589
>You seem to have an outlandish opinion on most H40 builds
Well yes, it seems that most builds I see are just shitters copying others without investing a singular thought of their own and actually experimenting, likely because they struggle too goddamn hard to even reach 40, let alone do their own fucking assignment. I am confident because I know from experience, doing weekly 40 climbs. If you want to take that as me making it the fuck up, so be it. Alternatively you could actually give my suggestions a try, realize there's a learning curve to it, and not immediately dismiss it after you horribly fail on your first try because you're bad at putting actually good builds to practice.
It shouldn't be an outlandish opinion that feeling like you NEED knives to make flamer work is nonsense. Just make it a habit to instantly switch to your flamer whenever you aren't mashing LMB, and use the fucking thing more often. It's not rocket science. I feel like I'm genuinely surrounded by fucking retards with opinions like yours.
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>melty over one of the most popular builds for zealot in havoc
Sorry I lost interest, feel free to continue pretending you play H40s
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>>551569801
>popular = good
Actual real-life cud chewer.
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Here come the "yeah you raped him comments" to pretend other people actually listen to his advice.

LMFAO
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yeah you raped him
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fellas I got the flu on fucking Christmas day and still feel like shit and have been laying in bed on cold medicine. Tell me they added some cool shit to the cosmetic store yesterday. Please tell me rotundfish didn't let me down on Christmas day
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What are some open world survival crafting games that i can waste hundreds of hours on with a buddy? Preferably first person games.
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>>551571116
yeah the swine flu really sucks
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>>551571119
I thought grounded was pretty good for a open world crafting game.
Others I enjoyed was the forest.
Valhiem gets recommended alot but I found the grind in that one to be ridiculous. Abiotic factor is meant to be really good as well.
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>>551564496
who
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>>551550994
water purifier, train tunnel, that is long enough
also where ever the bridge is and you have to wait for the elevator or getting off, these are usually horde spawn locations
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Not any of those anons/posts above, just woke up, but I (mostly used to) played quite a bit of zealot in havocs before really swapping over to Ogryn (some Arbitrator here and there but I don't really like them in high havocs, they drop off in my opinion and people generally seem to not want Arbites either).

At least for randoms, martyrdom is much more popular than piety and I'm not only talking what you see via inspection, but what the hosts accept. So I'd say it's not only what zealots themselves prefer, but also what hosts look for/accept. I seldom bother playing zealot anymore as I don't use martyrdom (use piety) and it's harder to get a game as them vs others. e.g. my Ogryn has nigh-100% accept rate (probably only decline when they're full or AFK which both happen occasionally). But piety zealot? Shudder to consider, it isn't fun.
>inb4 host your own match
True, but also I wonder how many see non-martyr zealot and move along.
Oh another thing just before hitting submit, is nearly all zealots I see with flamer (which is nearly all of them anyway) build for the secondary attack, either one or both blessings (and sometimes with crit perk too). Both of my blessings are for primary attack and I'd think this would turn some people off. If I have one ammo aura hiv cum or vet, I basically never take an ammo pick up, but I guess the average player is oblivious to this, as I'd assume the secondary-built flamer zealots take up much more ammo than I.
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>>551571119
Abiotic Factor is great, but your playtime will vary depending on how autistic you want to be. Highly recommend even if it takes you 20 hours or 100 hours to beat.
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>>551573651
>[Arbitrator seems] to drop off in my opinion and people generally seem to not want Arbites
I think dog + Nuncio arbitrator is incredibly strong, and I don't usually have trouble being accepted into lobbies with actually good players, but on the other hand, I also host a lot of my own games so I may be somewhat biased.
>martyrdom is much more popular than piety
>zealots I see with flamer build for the secondary attack
Both of these are extremely strange to me. I exclusively run BP and primary attack flamer, and I don't usually have trouble joining a lobby. I mostly get declined by hosts that don't want a zealot, because those usually accept me on arbitrator, but also vice versa.
>my Ogryn has nigh-100% accept rate
Ogryn are uncommon but highly sought after by experienced players, and also many ogryn builds are just weird and/or bad. If you're Skullcrusher melee + taunt + BLO rumbler, that's an auto accept to me. If you're the 4th, I'll accept most ogryn even without BLO rumbler.
>I guess the average player is oblivious
They are oblivious in general. I don't want to call havoc 40 easy, but it's clearly not difficult enough to filter out some real retards from getting carried there. You still see veterans that skip Field Improv and try to retardedly force melee. You still see supposed True Survivors in aurics that constantly eat shit with retarded builds. It's not particularly common, but too common to suggest they're just drunk or high. Havoc-Forged smiggers are particularly terrible every single time.
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>>551573945
What's Abiotic Factor like? The Steam screenshots look cool. Like a Half Life 1 game in a survival map.
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>>551565128
>yeah bro just pre-cook them with your flamer that forces you to snipe specials with projectile drop instead of hitscanning like a normal person
>then activate the weapon minigame so your melee can start doing damage to carapace
>then use your 30s cooldown that you need for mobility and toughness regen
>now you may heavy attack the crusher for half of his health
Or I could just heavy attack him twice with the saber and the crusher dies because light weapons get to not only completely ignore armour but deal extra damage to it
Uncanny strike and martyrdom need to be launched into the sun
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>>551577158
Survival crafter where the progress is largely
>find weird rare thing or thing that requires you go into that portal to get it to build the doohickey that you attach to this door to move forward, and in the next zone there's new crafting materials that let you build new, rarer doohickeys
Pretty good, atmospheric, spooky, terrifying water section, but the story fell apart pretty fucking hard.

My advice is to speedrun offices and manufacturing, as the good shit comes after them. At the very least offices, which is going to require that you kill some security robots, which is as simple as luring the one up the elevator into the electrified water, or luring either of the other ones into traps you built yourself and powered using sockets on the wall. You can attack their charging stations to get them to come out during the day, you don't need to build batteries and wait for them to come out at night.
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>>551577158
It's a half life 1 scientist survival simulator basically. You're stuck inside a sprawling research facility and have to find a way to escape. The game is all about exploration and unlocking new items and weapons to craft in order to progress. The entire map is well designed and you're always uncovering something new in each location. Progression is like a metroidvania where you have a reason to search around old locations once you get certain upgrades. Plays great solo and in co-op.
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I've heard rumors of needing a level 420 health curio to enable some shenanigans on Psyker. I've been dumping my stash of Melk bucks on rolling one and haven't been successful. Is the rumor real?
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>>551571119
The Forest and its sequel are pretty fun and cool I hear
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>>551577875
>all of this overthinking cope
Anon if you're too retarded to use anything other than the drooling sword, just admit it, it's not that deep.
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>>551507425
>Nutter
ANGLO DETECTED!!
shut the fuck up, filthy subhuman.
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>>551580226
>white detected
Yeah and no surprise you're brown.
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>>551566871
>overrated
Kinda, but that's more recent. It's been outclassed by more and more weapons due to power creep. It was originally one of the only S tier weapons though.
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>>551532860
Necromancers are just one of the schools of magic thoughbeit. An ork is a xenos - meta/licensing wise GW rarely let games have playable xenos, and lore wise we're working for a fairly puritanical inquisitor so...
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Been thinking about if every class got a secondary tree
Vet with an ammo pack allowing him to upgrade his ranged weapons and ammo capactiy
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>>551584793
Great idea for the rich noble paid dlc class who bribed his way into having the best munitions. Easy to copy/paste like scum medbox too!
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>>551584793
what if, get this, each character had multiple subclasses? With their own set of talents each? Not sure where I got this idea from, maybe a different game set in the warhammer fantasy universe but wouldn't that be quite cool?
>inb4 people cope about how the talent trees are actually 3 careers each still
yeah those 3 cool varied careers you can play on arbites and ganger... truly..
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>>551530498
maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the objectives were more creative than:
>two flavors of hack the computers
>scan and collect the slime
>transport the power cells
fucking BORING! who asked for that shit in a horde shooter? it completely kills the otherwise fast-pace of the game when i have to slam the breaks in a green chamber for 5 minutes while someone plays a Mario Party mini-game for the rest of us.
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How does Blaze Away work on staves? The longer you charge, the more strength you have?
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>>551586059
It also persists for a short duration, so you can spam partially charged secondaries without losing it.
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410+ is the current max curio stat?
will we get 500 & crafting eventually, rendering our shit useless? (or, at the very least, let us 'max' our current best gear)
should i be rollan for 'em anyway?
thx
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>>551586185
Always roll for max stats, by the time they get around to giving us reds (years) you'll have gotten a ton of use out of them and recovered the materials anyway.
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>>551586145
Gotcha. Fatshark is so lazy that they don't even bother changing the wording on weapons that don't have a magazine.
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>>551586382
Word, that's kinda what I figured. I kinda like how trivial it is to get a "max" weapon with the current crafting setup, I can only assume they'll let you Empower the curios up to max somewhere down the line. Less craft, mor fite!
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>>551587245
Yeah, yeah, you miss clicking buttons in the shop for tens of hours to get a weapon that is mostly alright, we get it. You're the only person in the world who liked doing that.
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>>551573651
>>551575508
>Primary attack flamer
It's a great stagger tool, but it's very poor for building flame stacks. I don't really get why you'd not want to use the second mode for bigger mixed hordes to help the Psyker burn shit down, especially on teams that have a second source of widespread CC that can fill in relic gaps. The exception would be if your team is struggling for ammo.
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>>551587453
Building for primary doesn't mean you never use secondary. However those who build for secondary seem to never use primary. I do use secondary but sparingly and rarely.
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>>551587453
Charging and releasing all but roots you to the spot and prevents you from protecting yourself. If you're playing with randoms, you're rolling the dice on whether they're mentally present enough to realise you need to be covered while you do it.
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>>551587453
>I don't really get why you'd not want to use the second mode
You're reading too much into it. Of course you use the secondary to build brittleness stacks, but you ideally swap off after getting max stacks on the things that matter. I don't think you should use the flamer for damage unless you're hard pressed for DPS RIGHT NOW, but such situations only come up with bad compositions.
>>551587581
This.
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>>551584224
>Necromancers are just one of the schools of magic thoughbeit.
Not really, no. Necromancers use a corruptive form of dark magic. They are very much kill on sight for the Empire,
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>>551580226
>raj meltdown
kek
>>551584902
stop giving them ideas
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>>551584224
Like the other guy said, Necromancy is actually a bastardization of the winds of Shyish and a grave ooffense to Morr. Also we don’t know enough about Grendyl to say if he’s radical or puritan.
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>>551584224
>and lore wise we're working for a fairly puritanical inquisitor so...
We're working for a milk and cigarettes inquisitor who only showed up to tell his gay son how bad of a job he's doing. There's a very decent chance he doesn't even exist, or if he does he's not actually running this operation.
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>late join on what looks to be the first horde
>2 players down, other guy presumably died and left
>armored horde immediately claims 2 retards, one of which also leaves
>zealot backfills
>hear zealot's chorus callout
>nothing happens
>nobody even gets gold toughness
>this happens like 3 times
>what the fuck is this snoy doing
>keep an eye on him
>he only ever channels a single pulse and instantly switches weapons
>deploy an ammo crate on the medicae while everyone is in the orange
>nobody takes it
>including the scum that didn't bring pickpocket
>supposed havoc 40 scum taking a gorillion damage, constantly hugging the floor or dead
>spamming crates but they don't do anything
>but his build has an actual stimm in it???
>most likely using it all the time before the stimm can cool down (jej)
>11 fucking deaths in a 27 minute mission
Me unga team bunga white text etc.
How are these players even having fun during this? I feel like none of my teammates belonged in auric.
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>>551588250
Mortis trial snippets seem to imply Grendyl might actually be on the ship as the "mysterious voice". Locked away in a chamber somewhere with a magos biologis running experiments of some sort.
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>>551591275
that's grandpa Brahms, he might be impersonating Grendyl using his seal
I'm beginning to think
>grandpa brahms is impersonating grendyl
>grendyl, hearing this, joins in as swagger, just to have a laugh
Sefoni has a laugh at shipmistress brahms during one of their lobby exchanges
>Grendyl will hear of this!
>no he wooooon't~ hahaha~~~
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>>551591582
sefoni routinely erases peoples memories and influences them
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>>551591582
Grendyl Brahms, I suspect.
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>>551591275
Possible. We know that one Tech Priest is around doing… something. I forget his name but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t come into the plot sooner or later.
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>>551592961
Magos Biologis Khalib attends to grandpa Brahms and runs experiments, and he's drawing a lot of power from the Mourningstar's reactor to do it. It's giving enginseer Kayex-8 the conniptions something fierce.
These plot threads were left dangling, Fatshark seems to have abandoned it for a more straightforward war for Atoma going by Dukane's increasing prevalence with the scum update.
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>>551588381
>spamming crates but they don't do anything
He probably thinks he can stack the stim with the crate, which you can't, if the stim is on cooldown when you drop the crate it only deals with corruption damage plus it's other effect of exploding if you took that node. 90% of the time, scum running the stim crate believe it stacks because they get tunnel vision and don't read the fucking UI.
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>>551587397
I'm new, joined after the free weekend. Sounds like it was pretty awful for a while, huh.
(just finished my first Heresy mission, didn't even die, woo)
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>>551594032
Sorry, there's a shitposter round these parts that thinks he's pretty sly and likes complaining about the crafting system making the weapon/curio game too trivial. No, you used to have to roll for everything, perfect stats, perfect modifiers, perfect blessings, you either needed phenomenal luck or to no-life the game. It was the worst part of Diablo-like games with none of the ways to work around it like we have now. Believe me, you aren't missing anything good.
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>>551594032
Yes, it was genuinely fucking terrible.
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>arby uses his shotgun for the entire duration of the mission
>less than 100k melee damage, over 800k ranged
>could barely even tell that he was there, not sure what he even actually killed
vexing
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>>551593279
I really hope that isn’t the case and the next plot development has something to do aboard the Morningstar, presumably having to do with that but just about anything at this point would be good. Some more exposition one Grendyl would be great but I think that’s still a ways off.
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>>551595201
Probably cleaving through trash like a retard lol
That kind of gameplay should have easily 500k+ elite damage under normal circumstances, and be very noticeable because nothing fucking survives.
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>>551595201
If you're not sure what he killed, he was probably sniping gunners. One of the shotgun marks is surprisingly accurate at long range.
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>>551595339
There was an honest to emperor genestealer on board the Mourningstar, Brunt killed it, but we can't be sure it was the only one, or if it managed to infect him before he pulled its head off. He's still missing, so he's either been tasked with clearing the rest of the city sized ship or he was infected and has absconded to join the cult.
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I gotta stop playing scriers like a zealot in havoc.
The crit evasion makes me a ballsy motherfucker and the disrupt destiny keeps making me charge forward as my brain gets turned off chasing the finesse bonus and it keeps putting me in retarded situations where I realize I'm completely alone ahead of my team because they arent as comfortable divebombing gun mobs
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>>551595826
Chasing Disrupt Destiny is kind of a silly way to play it anyway. For as good as the +10 stacks node is, +5s decay time is usually more practical because it doesn't force you to play like a retard, even if it does mean losing a decent amount of damage under ideal circumstances.
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>>551595826
Same. That shit turns me into DemoknightTF2 when stacking movement speed talents. It's a lot of fun in aurics and low havocs.
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>that guy doing a schizo spergout during Christmas time
Pathetic and deranged
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>>551597997
???
Who
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>>551416505
What's your favorite voice for the arbites
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>>551600386
Male Fatalist if I have to play it, male Authoritarian when another player plays it because he's so delightfully autistic.
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>>551600250
The one going on about a scoreboard nutter. He got teased once for being a cunt and now he thinks everyone is the same person that's out to get him
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>>551600630
>get btfo into submission
>then a day later you come back to try again
Pathetic and deranged
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>>551600939
I saw it just minutes ago, retard
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>>551601006
>everyone has moved on
>you come back to reignite it
Pathetic and deranged
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>>551600630
>now he thinks everyone is the same person that's out to get him
>he's still doing it
fucking KEK
Why must every general have at least one severely mentally ill retard
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Literally who cares
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>>551601171
Welcome to the scoreboard whore. Now you see why a bunch of anons dislike that faggot and have for quite some time.
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>>551601265
>a bunch of anons dislike that faggot and have for quite some time
You mean the retard that has a massive melty whenever someone posts a scoreboard, right?
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>>551601415
>has never happened
You've lost.
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>>551601068
>everyone has moved on
I very much doubt that. He will still try to accuse everyone of being me weeks from now
>>551601171
>Why must every general have at least one severely mentally ill retard
And God forbid you anger one of them like the retard shitting his pants because of a scoreboard troll. He will have schizophrenic delusions about you for the rest of his life
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>>551601415
Yes. Some mentally ill faggots had the dspleasure of seeing the same name on a scoreboard a couple of times and developed an extreme tardfueled vandetta
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>>551601489
>mfw he's actually him
LMAO take your fucking meds you spastic
>>551601507
It's fucking hilarious what kind of mental gymnastics a retard shitter will go through before ever so much as attempting to git gud.
>receive numerical proof of shitterdom
>try to discredit and debase any and all forms of numerical proof instead of trying to improve
Dare I invoke izzat?
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>samefag meltdown
yep, other guy won by default
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>>551601715
It's not even about that. I'm not the guy trolling about scoreboards, i'm pointing out the delusion and retardation of thinking that it's always me doing it because i offended some psychopath weeks ago
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>>551601171
Eh, it keeps the generals bumped, at least.
I'm on the fence about downloading the scoreboard. I'm curious about just how much damage I'm taking (still feels like a lot), but wouldn't get much more out of it than that. I just hate the hassle of mods in general, so as long as it's not required for endgame shit, I'd rather not bother.
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Yet the scoreboardgger has no havoc rank. Curious!
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>>551601973
I meant the schizo that constantly has major spergouts over the scoreboard posting namefag.
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>>551602187
How could it be necessary outside of fuelling a sick ego? I used it when I was newish years back and then uninstalled it once I got good and developed a good understanding in general—a good intuition too. Stats/scoreboards etc are fine tool for a short time and keep it to yourself, but it needs to be discarded quickly lest you become this thing that infests our general.
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>>551602187
>I just hate the hassle of mods in general
Depends on how extensive your mod list is. It is literally as simple as just setting everything up once, and then when Steam pushes an update, running the patcher.bat once. Most mods remain intact between minor patches, but major patches might break things including the mod loader itself. But if you only have a handful of mods it's easy to just disable whichever ones are broken and that's all you have to do.
I don't know how anyone tolerates playing without Psych Ward.
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>>551602205
I know the guy you are talking about, but i wasn't trying to bring up the scoreboard argument. He just thinks it's me arguing with him about scoreboars because he's insane and retarded
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>Anons threatening each other over their game creds
wew
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>>551602543
It's one guy, anon. And if he finds out you've blocked him he'll attack random people on here thinking they're the people in his matches. Who would have guessed that a scoreboard fag is also this fragile over being blocked.
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>>551602691
>gets teased one time for being a cunt and participating in a dogpiling against someone
>never forgets it and now thinks every troll is that same person being out to get you
To be honest i should have let it lie. I didn't realize how psychotic you were
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https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/549601826/#549606296
Here it is. The catalyst of the scoreboard melty. Then 10 days later: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/550700798/#550800795
We can only pray that xir will tie that noose sooner rather than later.
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>>551603239
What does the second post have to do with anything?
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>>551603239
And don't forget this when he got mass-bullied: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/545543505/#545571530
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I'm just thankful that I'll never, not even once, have to endure any of you autistic schizo freaks in my havoc 40s, because you either never make it that far, or you apply with some incredibly retarded build that practically gets auto-declined.

That reminds me, I should write a mod with configurable auto-decline based on what rank, talent and blessings a player has, to make havoc flow more smoothly.
>ogryn without skullcrusher
>vet without field improv and survivalist
>vet with serrated blade or weapons specialist
>zealot without shield of contempt
>psyker with smite and any gun
>scum without pickpocket
Imagine if you never even had to entertain having to give these retards even a spare thought.
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>>551603382
Agreed. I love pointing out the troon as they never have havoc rank and I'm chilling at rank 40. Is there ever a scoreboard schizo that isn't a shit player? It's an interesting concept where they're so obsessed yet so bad. Chasing numbers, never skill. I agree with your greentext (all points), if you ever make or find a cheat that does that, please share.
>>551603319
>instant reply
Yeah you obviously did not read the links what-so-ever.
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>>551603701
>Yeah you obviously did not read the links what-so-ever
I opened the link and didn't recognize the post. Now i have read through the thread and i still don't know what the fuck you're going on about
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>>551603353
>that profile background
why is it always them
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>>551603701
>Is there ever a scoreboard schizo that isn't a shit player?
I dunno about schizo but I post havoc TED talks with scoreboards every now and again, and it still seems to upset the shitters whenever I do.
I don't know of any such mod existing, and if it does, it's probably some trooncord private shit, but if/when I get around to coding it, I'll post it. I just wonder whether I should even bother with making it fully configurable, or if it'd be easier to just hardcode values and make the user edit the code if need be. Checking a user's skill tree SHOULD be the easy part in theory, assuming I can fetch an applicant's data without interacting with the UI. Inspect from party finder already has the navigation, so reverse engineering that shouldn't be too difficult.
Testing should be relatively easy too, since I can just open a 40 and the retards will apply in droves. Just add debug output for any aura to know whether it works.
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Is there a bully club Ogryn caveman equivalent in vermintide?
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>>551604091
I make cheats for some TW titles, but haven't touched DT at all. What's it like for DT? And another concern with your idea would be if someone joins, and then later changes their talents/build around. Which I've seen before. Sometimes legitimate, but a few instances where they do something very differently and suspicious. Or more-so, change character/class without asking and it doesn't make sense for them to. While I am glad I am out of the 20s trench, you still see some dumb shit in 30-40 frequently. I'm not talking min-max, but "holy shit what are you doing?"-tier as it seems you already know too well.
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>>551604376
Kruber with hammer. Either Merc or Foot Knight.
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>>551603239
>>551603701
Answer the question, nutjob. What do you think that second link is supposed show?
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>true sissy is also the scoreboard melty
Why does every general have a resident autist.
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>>551604730
>true sissy
Who?
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>>551604730
>a resident autist
we have like 4 or 5 dude
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>>551604853
Humble bragging True survivor who has constant melties about leaving his lobby on party finder and screenshotting all the builds first timers are using since the game does not in any way explain havoc.
Also in general just a very negative person.
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I'm surprised the SoBtranny (the discord brony) also isn't this Velcrospiderman (Scoreboardfag).
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>>551605104
>I'm surprised
That's because you're retarded. Velcrospiderman isn't even the scoreboardfag so there's another surprise for you
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>>551604730
>scoreboard melty
Who?
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>>551605351
some schizo having a melty that nobody cares about his green circles
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>>551604434
>I make cheats for some TW titles, but haven't touched DT at all. What's it like for DT?
It's lua. If you know lua, it won't feel too different from what you're used to. No idea what TW uses.
You just have to learn the Darktide Modding Framework and do the usual debugging with echoes or console logs, some trial and error, and reloading mods. I mostly struggle to navigate the source code sometimes, because it's part spaghetti code, part poorly named files/functions that can make it difficult to even find what you're looking for. Tactical Reload, for example, is named veteran_reload_speed_on_non_empty_clip which makes sense when you look at it purely from a code perspective, but figuring that out from knowing it's named "Tactical Reload" can be annoying. At times it's unironically easier to just dump the player's buff_extension content and filtering through those, for example.
I'm not even going to pretend I'm some pro code wizard either. Most of my time is spent looking at and reverse engineering other mods that already function similarly to what I want, and then stealing portions of the code. If I can't figure something out, I just plug it into an LLM to help me figure things out. Overreliance on vibe coding is obviously atrocious and you should never let some clanker write code you end up no longer understanding, else you end up like Microsoft, but it's a wonderful tool for speeding up your workflow and more quickly figuring out things you have no idea how to approach otherwise.
>if someone joins, and then later changes their talents/build around
I only play 40s, and climb to 40 on the first couple days (or at least, the first weekend) after a reset usually, so I don't experience this. Most players just block fags like that. 40s are generally honest tryhards and will try to communicate. But such a mod would let you filter blue curios for example.
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If I don't pick up a medical crate, I'm leaving. I can't trust any of you fuckers anymore.
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>>551604730
>that picture
Ah, the good ol' rolling steel shit-storm. This general is special.
>>551605227
Hahaha, yes it is, it has been proven to be so, you lying faggot (inb4 you're him). Of all things to lie about, that's one of the dumbest.
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I came back to the game I have no idea what havocs are and it just gave me 16 and every lobby is above that what do I do
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I tried the Scoreboard mod and it crashed my game saying something about a reload counter
Which one is the working scoreboard mod?
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Anonymity drives mentally ill retards insane
As soon as one person is recognized or identified then suddenly EVERYONE is that same person. Especially if that person ever made you mad
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>>551605942
And yet the mentally ill and terminally online just can't help themselves but be the most obnoxious faggot about and expose their names and profiles to all they do (then eventually private their profile but whoopsie too late!). Funny how that works huh anon. "Anonymity" isn't a blanket for you to be a colossal faggot and then expect everybody with "anonymity" to have zero memory or history (e.g. archive).
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>>551605054
>Humble bragging True survivor
True Survivor is the bare minimum, if you don't have it you're a shitter, end of argument. You cannot cope your way out of this.
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Havoc-Forged
True Survivor
No title (everything else in your build must be tip-top)

Everything else is irrelevant. And don't bring no gay frames like stimframe.
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>>551606221
>Havoc-Forged
It's too trivial to carry a shitter to 40. I've had a couple cases of some idiot host accepting a literal noob that kept dying, but stuck around to leech Havoc-Forged. That title is virtually meaningless unfortunately.
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>>551606075
Especially if they happen to be a faggot to some mentally ill psychopath who gets obsessed with you

Are you going to explain the second link now?
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>>551602189
You're noticing too much, hatemonger
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>>551605759
You can trust me. I always pick those up and place them down at appropriate times.
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>>551606660
True, scoreboardnog can hatemonger and expect to get away with it, but with screech baseless nonsense if you call them out! Rules for sir but not for xir!
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>>551604730
This general has like three I can think of. One incredibly overzealous /v/tard that never grew out of his 2008 rage /v/ phase and will melty over small and otherwise insignificant ass details to full extent.
The resident ESL that has fun poking the above autist, and just the two retards being intentionally dishonest and the raging /v/tard will hijack the thread with 400 posts of pure nonsense for no reason when he could just not engage while the other ESL just keeps spouting random bullshit to rile him up because its funny.
And some autist utterly obsessed with names and image mdf data.
Unfortunately even small niche threads will have at least one schizophrenic that for some reason, will not get ignored despite the only winning move is to not play their funny shitpost loop.
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So how many schizos does /coopg/ have?
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which one would you choose, bros?
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>>551606890
Arbiter if you like strength
Hivescum if you like DEX
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>>551606890
Arbitrator. It's discounted, and it's the stronger and more fun class.
Scum is pretty restrictive and expected to receive ginormous buffs after the Swedish vacation because it's too hard for shitters to play.
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>>551606847
how many posters are there?
>>551606845
false. you need to specifically nip shit in the bud. your logic of "stay quiet and it'll go away" does the opposite, and this has constantly been proven on /vg/ so many times.
>>551606890
as you have to ask, naturally, arbitrator. hivcum is just trolling for someone like you.
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>poster gets his profile exposed
>cunts start attacking poster
>poster later teases cunt for attacking him
>cunt develops a schizophrenic obsession with poster and a massive victim complex
>cunt starts accusing every troll of being poster to justify his hatred and obsession
So fun dealing with actual nutjobs
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>non-stop cunt posting
so the tranny is strayan?
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>>551606951
>>551606967
>>551607076
good shit, I'm getting it right now methinks. I have been having a lot of fun with Ogryn.
Isn't Zealot and HIVscum pretty similar? I love Zealot as well.
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The eternal reminder
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>>551607303
>zealot
>hivcum
Not at all. Closest would be both can reduce team corruption.
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>>551607303
zealot is super tanky, i think people have said that scum has very low durability
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>>551607303
HIV scum's cookie cutter playstyle involves sanicing around at crackhead speeds while shooting everything with infinite ammo, but you're made of paper. The melee build is viable, but has pretty extreme highs and lows.
The ranged is what gunlugger ogryn wishes it was.
The melee is closer to melee psyker.
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>>551607394
>>551607443
>>551607454
oh nice, then Arbites was the perfect choice.
though HIVscum looks fun with all the sanic shit, but Arbites just has that perfect aura.
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>>551607303
Feels kinda similar to a martyrdom zealot on his last sliver of health.
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>>551607371
The timeline around the emergence of such behavior is triggering my pattern recognition.
I must stop noticing.
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>>551607371
We were almost free from this until the retard itt went full schizo with the accusations and archive posting
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>>551608040
only because some other schizo had a melty because they werent getting enough attention for their green circles
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>>551608225
Correct. Always remember the source. The origin. Bitching about those who tell a spamming troon to shut the fuck up is poor display.
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>>551607371
The site got flooded by people who can't function in an anonymous environment, not knowing who everyone is breaks them, so they ironically become paranoid schizos making grand assumptions about anons identities from the smallest of details. Back in the day, you just called someone a faggot when they were being a faggot and moved on. Now most anons go insane if they can't have the last word, if they can't "win" the arbitrary internet fight. I won't even bother listing a year, because that'll just start an argument about which year the "real" turning point occurred in, or turn into /pol/, it's always one or the other.
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>>551608225
There is always one retard like you who has no idea what's going on but who desperarely wants to be part of whatever is going on
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>>551608356
meant for >>551608308
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>>551608304
Having a fullblown tranny meltdown because you saw the same name on 5 screenshots over the course of a year
Develop of a schizophrenic delusional obsession as soon the poster gets tired of you and pushes back. The origin
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>>551608774
Only took the scoreboardtroon (you) 2 games for them to be convinced that person is on here.
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>>551606134
You posted a few days ago bragging the ASS title you only just got. No amount of cope will ever change that.
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>>551608928
>randomly inventing that two different posters are the same person
It truly is peak schizo hours, huh.
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Only MY scoreboards are worthy of being nooticed.
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>>551608993
That's awesome. I'm the guy who posted the post about getting ASS (and then the thing later for 10 games w/o dying in auric) as Arbite w/o even trying and I will never use that awful title. It's actually insane how tapped the other guy is. The level of derangement and making shit up is genuinely impressive. Fruitless.
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>>551608993
>no see I'm just another random anon defending this guys behaviour

You can make it less obvious. Enjoy my last (You)
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>>551609030
>hour long maelstrom
>13 revives
Kek what the fuck happened
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>>551609030
>Epsteinscoreboard.jpg
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>>551608898
Rephrase your post. I forgot my retard translator
>>551608993
You got a lot of that going on right now
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>>551609030
You can't just post this and not give us the story. What the hell was going on in there?
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Scoreboardschizo is Australian it seems.
>>551607194
Seems like it.
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>>551609030
wtf
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>>551609145
>>551609232
Tried to keep the bots up as they're somewhat ok at being distractions. It was an MMT run. Picrel however was a normal game that nobody joined for some reason.
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>>551609268
Do you remember when i called you out for being a retard who thinks everyone is the same person? Well, you're doing it again
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>>551609268
>2 year old posts completely irrelevant to scoreboards
>Original post in this thread was calling out the scoreboard schizo
is this deflection or just autism?
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>>551609030
>>551609427
Oh you were solo, that makes sense.
I thought you were playing tour guide for particularly tenacious malicelets or something.
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>>551609268
>how in gods fucking earth do you actually complete this
Just... Does he know you can select a different aura? Take a weapon with low ammo and high spread?
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>>551609471
ctrl+f "cunt" itt
>>551609438
and yet you do the same: >>551609080 hypocrite >>551608928
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>>551609471
He's incredibly mentally ill and retarded. I'm glad i'm not a member of his family. Christmas must be very difficult
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>>551609521
Ah I see, you've been exposed and now you are trying to dig up absolutely anything to hide your shame.

Embarrassing. Get help.
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>>551609521
This >>551609080
And this >>551607126
Are not the same posters, retard
This entire shitstorm started because you retards can't tell anons apart and you responded by doubling down on it
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Man I really wish we did Weekly EDDs...
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>>551609657
>no see I'm just another random anon defending this guys behaviour

You can make it less obvious. Enjoy my last (You)
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>>551609515
That post was before Talent trees buddy.
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>>551595826
What weapons do you use?
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>>551609769
carry me through havoc 40 ill carry you through an EDD
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>>551609793
>Enjoy my last (You)
Nice. I didn't even need to tell you to fuck off
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>>551610000
I mean my original post is just more proof that this general cannot take the ego check of playing together.
I don't play 40s that shit is ass.
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>>551610081
>playing together
>ego check
more like (you)'re an insecure shit-poster. people sometimes post lobbies and play fine e.g. >>550802704
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>>551610194
The problem is just avoiding unhinged retards.
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>>551610194
I've played plenty of 4chan lobbies. I've never seen one here actually get filled. Although it might be my time so I'll concede.
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>>551610317
Unhinged retards don't make it to havoc 40. Truelevel filters them.
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>>551609419
Cute…
>>551606890
Goes without saying pretty sure
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>>551606845
I feel like you’re missing like 3 more here.
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>>551607371
reads like cope honestly. after a certain point there’s only so much shitposting that can go on.
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>>551610615
theres troonguard that haunts warhammer threads
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I’ll make the thread
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>>551603382
>dev notes
Am I missing anything?
>inb4 just post a pastebin
lazy
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>>551611560
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>>551611271
Never mind then



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