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>>551497940First for the boxing day roguelike player.
>>551498046I will slap you with my dick.
>>551498140roguelikes for this feel?
is caves of qud any gud. i think its still on its miserable discount
>>551502792it is divisive because some people like the mutation system and the gameplay but it has cringe dialogue and cringe NPCs
>>551502792>Is it good?Yes>Do you recommend it?No, unless you're comfortable with pirating because they are communist.>miserable discountWhat's the discount? Funny how the communists refuse to give anything more than 10% on a game they produced in a capitalist environment.
>>551502852tell me a bit more about what people think of the mutation system and gameplay. cringe, eh, i can ignore that, like im gonna ignore that other weird /pol/tard. caring if a communist made a game, lmao
>>551503026I don't think there's much to say, it has an interesting mutation that you can make OP builds around. Most dangers in the game are more knowledge check than spontaneous decision makings, so it's an interesting game only if you go in blind and not that interesting once you got the minmaxing down.
>>551502792Pirate it or buy it, but as for if it's worth your time?100% imo. I think the purple prose is awful, the quests are barely palatable, 80% of the NPC dialogue is gratingly obnoxious...And yet, mechanically the gameplay is fun. The items and build options are great. Exploration is fun. There's some obvious glaring faults where they leave certain parts of the game barebones- Not the least of which being the Moon Stairs barely exist, the procgen can leave the world feeling empty and the storyline being sort of aimless and rapidly drawing to a somewhat pointless close- A bit like a writer rushing out a three sentence epilogue because they're tired of the comic they created, except fully the last 2/3rds of the game are built like this (you can really tell some parts were being stapled onto the experience piecemeal with months in between updates)....But it is fun
Hey guys, anon working on the open source variant of Rogue, I have been documenting changes and additions that I have added to the game so far. I decided to make a video if anyone is interestedhttps://youtu.be/ZyH1mMaSttUKey bullet points of changes being made to Rogue that are already currently implemented if you don't want to watch a 30 minute boring video- New Optional Roguelite Mechanics and Mode- New Potions (Potion of Hallucination, Potion of Levitation)- New Scrolls (Scroll of Detect Food, Scroll of Detect Gold)- New Feature/Enemy (Chests, and Mimics)- Reworked Leveling System based on OD&D, with the framework set up for classes (Current Class is a Thief/Rogue alongside adding class specific buffs/features, next class that will be implemented is a Fighter/Warrior, the one after that, A Wizard)- Streamlined visuals for weapon stats in menu's to be visually more understandable and appealing- Added a shop you can find in the dungeon of doom that you can use to spend any gold you find in the dungeon onOpen to more suggestions, I will be adding more features, enemies, and ideally later down the line even potentially much more beyond the end of the game, allowing you to explore outside of The Dungeon of Doom, and continue your journey in the world itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPG3-2V1S8
It's not even christmas anymore, no excuses.
>>550979690Can confirm, it does. The main problem is that it's called a "sawn-off pistol double barreled shotgun", and renaming it won't remove the "sawn-off pistol" bit since it's not properly part of the item name.
Is Trollmire supposed to have swamp? Mine is all grass
>>551519978It has 2 layouts. The grass layout spawns more often. Most T1 and T2 dungeons have 2 layouts. The alt layouts come with a different boss
>>551520484Thanks I thought it was more shader bullshit
Should I play more roguelikes if I like Tome genuine question
>>551535716Kinda, there are tons of roguelikes that are influenced off of TOME, do a google search to find others that continue the same strain of roguelike you'll like. Eventually you'll find one that takes TOME as one of their inspirations and then if you feel inclined, you can then go back to play Angband or Rogue
>>551535716ToME is probably a decent intro to the genre, it has most of the basic ideas while keeping things simple in some ways. Some hardliners don't even consider it a roguelike if you're playing as intended, with the multiple lives.
roguelikes 4 this diddly feelerino?
>>551541506>>551542593>>551543113Did you get banned, or did you delete your own posts as some attention whore thing?
>>551545640Probably triggered a mod or got reported for offtopic (not that I know what was written, just going off assumptions) because you cant delete your own posts past a certain time limit.
Anything in a more urban setting? Love some crime lord roguelikes.
>>551547452there was that one breadlike where you have to escape a zombie infested city
>>551551909What's a breadlike? I think you're referring to Terminus though.
>>551552080Its a roguelike but very high in carbs.
>Get hit through a wall out of the building down a floor for 201 damage>Walk it off with zero real issuesThis is why I almost always run characters with fragile. Makes things a lot more interesting.
Not a bad find, considering I didn't have to deal with the security robots myself.
>>551557694Survivor gear was kinda busted last time I tried it, too
>>551563265Unless there's some hidden modifiers I'm unaware of the survivor ninja stuff isn't that great. All of my bash protection combined is just 18 on torso, 10 on head, 18 on arms, 12 on legs, 12 on hands, 15 on legs, 8 on feet. It definitely didn't prevent me from taking a lot of damage, but since my hp pool was so high I had no lasting effects from what looked like a completely devastating hit. If I was running fragile like I normally do that'd be a death or a broken body.
Man its fucking retarded how the master in maj'eyal is literally impossible to defeat if you dont have AOE. Try to teleport as to get a hit on him? Every fucking ghoul jump straight to you and block line of sight. Try to thin the horde? Fuck you here 5 more ghouls, ghoulking, vampires lords and whatever the fuck else making any progress fucking null. Basically had to abandon my lvl 26 time warden run that was doing quite well because of that bullshit, even my beefed out time hounds couldnt do jackshit before they get overhwelmed in 2 turn max.Basically because of the recent necromancer buff master is straight up impossible if you dont have good aoe, and more than half the fucking classes ingame dont have any.
>>551567739You can abuse him by making zig zag tunnelsBut yeah the necro buff made him pure cancer
>>551566584Those kinds of hits look like a lot of damage because they hit every part of the body, in reality you took ~20 damage to every limb, that's why it wasn't that bad.
FINALLY!
>>551575361You can make your own HackPro in BN
>>551575526You can yes, but there is an issue.
>>551504040So you might call this a bit of a modernization, I don't really know how elitist people would be about this kind of a thing, but as I have stated, I have streamlined the visuals for weapon stats a bit, this is also because in the future when I implement new weapons I want it to be very clear what the weapons actually are capable of, but I have also included tooltips at the bottom when hovering over a weapon so you can actually see what the stats actually mean for a weapon.
>>551576971How many nuclear sarcophagi have you spotted on the map, tell me right now.
>>551578963Okay, i'm doing a bit of a gameplay overhaul to how enemies work, some people may like this some people may hate this, but I will offer a toggle again, for people who do not like this change.The Change will be as follows, currently in Vanilla rogue there are two kinds of monsters that spawn.1. Initial spawns that are created when the level is generated, these are fixed, and finite spawns.2. Wandering monsters that can be generated later while you remain on the same floor.These wandering monsters if I was to simplify it, it basically picks a random spot in a room you're not in, this basically and effectively means there are infinitely respawning enemies.Personally, I hate this. I do not like infinitely respawning enemies whatsoever as a feature in just about any game, for example a completely different game, project zomboid, has finite enemies, but it can still feel overwhelming in a city because sure the zombies are technically finite and technically can be cleared out, but hordes can wander and there are effectively hundreds of thousands of zombies you can kill, so it's not ACTUALLY infinite, even this is a much better system right because it's more immersive and simulated rather than, a fake challenge.So what am I changing?I have done some math to determine what the average amount of monsters that would appear, on a floor from the wandering system as you averagely go through the floor and onto the next floor, and I have implemented that into the finite spawn system, but keeping it balanced of course. Some monsters can still wander the floor, or have unique behavior, and in a sense this may actually make you on some floors, see more monsters. So will this remove some challenge? Yes and no, you see on earlier floors, yes you can safely wander the floor more and heal up and prepare and yada yada, yes, earlier floors likely will be easier to a degree, later floors however will likely be much harder, and clearing it out will be a challenge.
Turns out sewer treatment plants can spawn advanced 3d printers, good to know for the future.Also, you might remember how I can searching down in the sewers for a hackpro and found squat?3 so far ffs.>>551580521Two iirc.
>>551582731came^
how do i change the hard limit on stat on cataclysmdda? Apparently there's a skill ceiling limit of 32 in experimental 2025-12-27 instead of limitless in Stable H
>>551539275Is this because Todd Howard randomly said there were going to be more trees in the next game than Skyrim?
>>551582731>twoAnon, I...
>>551595194Anon, you... didn't read the actual recipe (that I posted above).
>>551582705>reddit spacing
>>551610715quality post anon, telling off that anon from 6 hours ago for trying to make his 500 word post more readable really contributed to the thread.
>>551611648>reddit comment
And the other reason to explore sewers, not that I'm actually planning to mutate this run but still.
>>551587080no, it's because I don't get how people watch that guy's videos in droves.
>>551612648Goddamn, shut up faggot.
>>551615534I know that /tesg/ watches his elder scrolls videos to discuss and shit on them at the same time. Only one I bothered watching was the Morrowind one and how many people are actually employed on Delphine Island in Super Mario Sunsine, then I just stopped playing it.
>>551615816>reddit crashout
>>551610715
At least!
>>551617292Cringe...
>>551617503last^ ffs
>>551617569Yes, you are
>>551617292nice reddit edit>>551617636>reddit statistics
you know what's actually cringeniggas who get no pussy posting in rlg
>>551617670I accept your concession, fag
>>551617970
>>551617704Hey, that's me!
>>551617704I get pussy *and* I post on rlg
>>551618007I think you hurt his feelings, he's been oddly quiet...
If you are wondering why I was so dead set on getting a nursebot, well, this should probably help.That's with 10 electronics, 10 computers and 8 first aid.
>>551618481Do nursebots give happy endings?
>>551618601Probably.And the ones that have gone rogue probably stick a finger in after they drag you off to rip your bionics out.
>>551618332I play cdda.
>>551618007Amazing, not only are you exactly the kind of clueless newfag trying and failing to fit in via buzzwords that those images called out, your edit is basically you waving that fact around like some kind of newfag pride flag. KYS yourself, nigger
>>551606542What's the problem? You can also make your own MatheMax and UniTool.
>>551620074Certainly not by auto learning it and certainly not with that book.Because I have 10 in computers and I have that book but I do not have that recipe.
>>551620846Press 'u' to show unavailable recipes, and where to learn them.Not that you need to, since you already found the HackPro.
>>551620846>>551620997As anon said, you must become better at navigating the system.
>>551623132Knowing that it can be crafted isn't going to magic the book for it into my possession.I picked up every book I saw, cleared out 2 labs and never found that it.On the other hand, I found a hackpro at a skatepark and I found more than 5 of them in the second sewer I explored.
>>551623132Why cooking?
>>551619547I'm also not the anon that you were originally arguing with but you didn't notice that.
>>551624390MatheMAX is an autolearn at 8 computers, 8 cooking and doesn't need a bookUniTool is an autolearn at Computers 5, Electronics 3 and doesn't need a bookthe cryptology book is guaranteed in the office space of all sarcophagus
>>551624390>No book>Autolearn: YesMmm, no, very unwise.>>551624786Cooking is sort of a double-edged standin for chemistry/labwork or general "science" skill, and I figure MatheMax is best considered as a labwork program, the kind you'd use to organize and collate probe data and the like.You can see most of the Chem recipes use it, for example. There's been some discussion (maybe a few weeks back) about how that's a little unintuitive. They sort of stalled on if Chemistry should be a skill or if some kind of proficiency system could be introduced or what.Survival/Traps were similar candidates for reconditioning being floated at the time, too.
>>551628006I think we're honestly getting trolled at this point. The cooking requirement is right there in the screenshot, he was spoonfed the hotkey to see the recipe but insists on pretending "Oh I can't autolearn it, I can't craft it with that book ooooh I had to scour dozens of junk locations, I'm so clever for doing this instead, my way works best"I'm sure it'll end with some aesop about how Bright Nights has bad crafting and we should be playing TLG (Where shooting is totally random, the way god intended)(Just like running is impossible for a normal human)Tardive lard elemental devs could be in this thread....
>>551628386I don't see the utility in crafting it desu when it's so fucking common from zombie drops and junk locations honestlyit's just fucking everywhere
>>5516172922014 was eleven years ago
>>551628085>>551628386Ok, so it is auto learn, with cooking 8, literally the one crafting skill I haven't raised because I'm not doing mutations this run.
>>551578963Only a contrarian would complain about showing calculated damage. You should align the columns so that they're easier to read.
>>551611648I don't find it more readable and I doubt thats what he was doing.
I found a composite longbow, and i've been using it for once, but the latest version of BN has a bug (or perhaps a feature) where projectiles just go through zombies, so it's annoying to gather the used arrows.
>>551639119>Only a contrarian wouldSo you mean the kind of people who post on 4chan...
>>551646007it has something to do with excess armor pierce, I think
In Umoria, a Ghost just made me forget all my prays. Is there anyway to remember them or I am fucked?
>>551664840Man, don't nobody here play good roguelikes so you're gonna have to ask somewhere else.
>>551669180umoria isn't good. It's like the predecessor of angband. Which is really just kinda bad.>>551664840you wanna know? Check the source.https://github.com/dungeons-of-moria/umoria
>>551671101>umoria isn't goodUmoria is awesome and you are a gigantic faggot. Go play gay ass Cataclysm or some shit.
>>551679910Why you gotta shit on Cataclysm, my man? What'd we do to you?
>>551681957It sucks, that's what.
>>551683001
>>551681957spiritually black as coal.
>>551685056That's just DDA, nobody sane still plays that
Why is /rlg/ so weak? Why can't we have 3 concurrent generals like >>551694234 ?
>>551698602You expect us to compete with a casino with tits and asses?
>new orbs are time themed>last thing existing in 150 quadrillion years when the stars fade out>this is funny because that's how long you'll spend in abyss grinding off the banes they put on you>they literally deal time damage by wasting your fucking time
>>551698602Roguelikes are already a niche within a niche, it requires a special kind of autism to be into games like this, especially ones that aren't roguelites, and when someone IS interested in a Roguelike it's often a very specific Roguelike, so we're all dedicated hundreds to thousands even tens of thousands of hours in a game that nobody in the thread is playing, and the games also don't have much appeal outside of our threads because they don't have a lot of gooner appeal, action gaming appeal, there are very few and far between immersive sim/first person roguelikes in general.Even Rimworld's active threads are held up by the fact that there is so much Roleplay and NSFW mods for that game. Unless every Roguelike starts implementing rape and sex with full animations don't expect to see much activity with people interested in those other games. We're in this shit because we all like to suffer and rot, also i'd imagine a lot of us are severely autistic and or old.
Nice to find, thematic for the run.
>werewolf break a door while fleeing>a wild Smaug appearsInteresting deadly situationsI only lost 17hp despite the 5d11 crit but I dont awnt to find out if Ill die here today
>>551702991it's kind of shocking to me how so many generals are so heavily focused on porn. even games that barely feature sexualized content the threads are still wall to wall porn, it's like 80%+ of the audience for video games is primarily interested in them for jerking off. I lurk the various wow threads on and off and somehow the majority of the time they are talking about ERP or guild drama. I also lurk the elder scrolls thread and that's overwhemingly focused on porn mods, to the extent that the posters get pissy whenever anyone tries to talk about anything else.I dunno, I don't remember it being like this in the past. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
>>551709371The Indie game + misc games general I think mostly is video game discussion but it has the same issue here where since it overwhelmingly discusses a bunch of random shit, everyone is just talking about random shit only they are interested in. It's funny because even though we're "Roguelike" fans, we're all usually just fans of a specific game usually right? I'm not saying always but imagine creating a general for Moria, or Tales of Maj'Eyal, how many people would show up?
>>551710029>we're all usually just fans of a specific game usually right?Uh wrong? There's always been a fotm ragulike, until /rlg/ devolved into full time cataposting
>>551710729>There's always been a fotmWell that hasn't seemed to be the case for a long while as far as I can remember from the last few threads.
>>551710729I remember when this was dcss general. nothing else
i buyered TLG
>>551711196PoA has been getting quite a few posts recently.
>>551711675I keep trying to go back to DCSS but the game is so irritating now. You can't even reliably use hotkeys to select your items in menus now.
>>551712001What is it you prefer about TLG?
>>551698602To be fair almost every single thread that has a lewd OP pic (which iirc is against the rules because its a blue board, and they use lewd pics because its a fact lewdness attract attention) get tolerated because they're shilling threads, and its why they're numbered so it make data gathering easier. You cant really compare the traffic they get to niche threads, most other threads that arent filled with shills and bots depend on anons to spot to get up the catalog, and its just natural that certain hours tend to bring less trafic to these, which is why these threads often border on page 9 to 10.
>>551698602I like the slower pace, think of those threads as towns and cities and we are the sleepy rural village that does mainly agricultural jobs.Sure people think we are kids or we aren't relevant to culture, but our threads go at a more relaxed pace and we don't really fight that often either. It's very cozy.
>>551712001What's TLG?
>>551723449>and we don't really fight that often either
>>551723931Believe me, they aren't as long and as vitriolic as other generals
>>551709371>I also lurk the elder scrolls thread and that's overwhemingly focused on porn mods, to the extent that the posters get pissy whenever anyone tries to talk about anything else.I think that's why mods tolerate some video game talk on /tg/'s elder scrolls general, place where people actually discuss the TES world and lore and shit, (and occasionally the various tabletop adaptations, lol) Meanwhile /tesg/ is a dumpster fire of pervos and their weird OC waifus with bizarre coomer anatomy /tg/ is a shadow of its former self, but once in a while it manages to beat the other boards at their own game like the old days
>>551729112>their weird OC waifusWhat a strange thing.
>>551723589Newest cataclysm fork. some people say it's in between DDA and BN but that isn't quite right imo. It's much closer to DDA than BN, it's more like a version of DDA that's attempting to reposition the setting to basically be near future sci-fi Black Mesa without the weirdo interdimensional factions, and cut a lot of bloat out of the gameplay while introducing its own new mechanics not seen in either of the other forks.
>>551729734>introducing its own new mechanics not seen in either of the other forks.Like crashing a lot!
>>551729909Does it? I haven't played it in months. It was alright then but it was presumably also much closer to stock DDA at the time. I occasionally check out the changelog, I find that I agree with almost every change they are making. I wouldn't be surprised if it's unstable though since its apparently only worm girl working on it, or at least doing 95% of the work. Kind of a big unwieldy game for one person to maintain.
how do I make a crafting system for my ragulike?
>>551737547Decide what you need it to do, figure out what level of detail you want to go for, and go from there.
>>551723931He's a retard, in a thread of retards, airing his retarded opinions. It's par on course. Why are you here?
>>551723449>Sure people think we are kids or we aren't relevant to culturerlg is literally the oldest thread on /vg/ you dumb motherfuckerand like a man with dementia he's become irrelevant because it's at the end of its miserable life
It's nice that they have some new CBMs, I already saw the monofilament whip on the martial arts screen but I assumed that was a mod.
>>551738573Doesn't change anything I said, enjoy the decline, you'll miss us when we are gone.
>>551742474>motherfuckers on life support be like "this is good btw"
>>551742798You can either go out with dignity or go out like a scared bitch screaming and shitting and you're doing the latter.
>>551743053niggy why are you building an entire fucking lore narrative about me correcting your dumb ass fucking post?if you're going to suck yourself off that hard you might as well go on a nsfw board
>>551743269Its for my new roguelike about being a millennial 4chan poster who thinks he matters. Why don't you make a shitty meme about it?
>>551582705The overhaul seems to be working flawlessly, took a bit to get all the kinks out and i'll admit I also had to deal with some personal stuff, next up, i'm allowing you to sell items in the store that has a chance to appear on each level, to a merchant, by default as a Rogue, items will be sold at 75% of what their value would be if the item was sold in the store, this will change depending on your class/stats that are implemented in future builds, aswell as potentially future shops/merchants that appear OUTSIDE of The Dungeon's of Doom post game.
>>551743574lmao what the fuck are you even on about you stupid cuck
I'm 100% black
>>551750386>can clearly solve captchaI highly doubt you're 100% black
>>551744925This is character research
Cat fortressIf I trust in the RNG, I will not get critted to death
I'm almost done converting my WIP raguelike from godot 3 to 4>who askedMe>How does this affect the universeNone>Why did you make this postNo reasonI'm going to play some goonlikes after this
Well, that was a thing.
whatthere literally wasn't a single post in 2 hours, which denotes an utter lack of thingsthere was in fact, not a single thingthis post hasn't been fact-checked by real patriotsdumbass
Irradiation 2 seems to have quite heavily mutated me.Kind of not sure what to feel about this since most of them are actually pretty good but I wasn't planning on mutating this run. Fricking Xenotechs are a pain in the ass.I guess I'll have to get cooking up at least high enough to make some purifiers.
>>551700234Just make a rl with tits and asses
>>551679910How does umoria compare to regular moria?
Been playing more Quasimorph. It seems active implants that fire a projectile don't have damage falloff. I have one that lets me set fire to someone at range. Now if only i can find the class that improves fire spreading so I can potentially run a level without using a normal attack.There's some other fun active implants that could make melee work. Like one that mass disarms all enemies with range 5 centered on player. And one that mass tasers at the same range.
>>551777026I wonder if I'm retarded, but I honestly could never once make melee work. Although I can chaulk most of it up to me being way too much of a loot goblin and dipping my weight modifier into the extremes way too fast. although even when I'm patient and keep my weight low, it honestly always feels so gimped and I wonder why I'm even bothering to do it.
>>551779009It's just gimmicky since one would think to melee to save ammo but it's not like you're gonna run out. And there's no true stealth even though they'd like to think there was.
Sometimes roguelikes make me really angry
>>551773552It's the same game, Umoria was just built for Unix platforms.
>>551757638So how did it go
>>551790414The uniques went down easily, there aws also a bonus balrog that joined the party from downstairs, but I still almost died when I got cornered by greater werewolves and cat archers and the ruby serpent breathing fire at meGot some nice loot, most importantly a source of free action that I was still missingThen >>551783006 happened and I went to eat dinner because the rng gods are angry with me
>>551767510>bad temper, high thirst, mood swings, ponderous, poor hearing, rapid metabolismdamn that's a pretty shitty set of malmuts. your positives kick ass though, does electroreceptors let you see robots through walls?
>>551806080Yes.>bad temper, high thirst, mood swings, ponderous, poor hearing, rapid metabolismMost of those I took at the start.
>>551806080>>551807905It says a lot about a player, what negative traits they're willing to endure.This guy, I imagine he's fine with his survivor sitting in a basement shoveling lard into his face, leveling his skills a third as fast as he should, ok with frequently having to just wait if he's not in the mood to craft.It triggers the same faint disdain I feel when someone says "So I tabbed through the horde, lel xd" and, for a moment, I feel like I understand the contribooturs' urge to make No Fun Allowed changes as they ramble about muh realism
>>551811685he's playing BNhonestly the only bad ones there are bad temper and ponderousmood swings is just annoying
>>551811685You sound remarkable bitter about how someone else is playing a game.Why don't you post up your 4 stat start with imperceptive healer so you can show everyone what a badass you are.
>>551743861I have not implemented a merchant yet, but the sell feature has been implemented, so far all you have to do is enter a shop, press shift + g and then select the item you wish to sell, and it'll tell you how much you'll get for it, aswell as a confirmation if you actually want to sell it or not, I will not be adding a buyback mechanic, because you aren't currently selling the items to a merchant, but to the dungeon itself if that makes sense.I will elab further when I get all the lore written down, but again I am mostly working on mechanics and bugfixes atm.
>>551813428God that sounds awful, why would I play a character like that?Are you sure you understand what I find offputting about your playstyle?Are we not allowed to have opinions on how people approach gameplay now?You think- Obviously not EVERY playstyle is beyond reproach, or you wouldn't have jumped to 4 stat imperceptive right away, but that somehow your fiendish dedication to stacking mood maluses is... Somehow not allowed to be mentioned? I can't notice your differentiating quirks?
>>551813884>Are we not allowed to have opinions on how people approach gameplay now?Having such strong opinions about how someone else plays a single player game that doesn't affect you in any way makes you a faggot, so...
>>551813884>your playstyle?Not drag me into this thank you.
>>551816243Don't^
>>551813428>Why don't you post up your 4 stat start with imperceptive healer so you can show everyone what a badass you are.I did that 10 years ago, hiturns out the trick is kitingdda is a shitty gamenext question
>>551811685>>It says a lot about a player, what negative traits they're willing to endure.What does it say about me when I will always pick schizo every single character no matter what?then inevitably debug it off and forget to ever put it back on when it causes me to start scratching, interrupting me for the 5000th time.actually is there a way to mod out the scratching? >look through the files and find they obsoleted the schizo weapon dropsoulless. how do I put that back in? I want the weapon drop, I don't want the scratching.
>>551816569Sounds like a lot of troubleMmm. You'd wanna find what the schizo trait is called and then search for that. Somewhere in game.cpp there's probably a function that handles turns passing and one of them is a check for something likeif(player.hastrait(Schizo))-100 time, console.log("You scratch your nuts!! There are bugs in your nuts!")(This is not necessarily how the trait is called or the function that pings the character's traits, but you get the gist)You can probably get rid of the part that wastes time and keep the flavor text from there, without trouble. Make sure it's not interrupting ongoing actions.Here's the removal of weapon dropping, where you can see what was changed specificallyhttps://github.com/cataclysmbn/Cataclysm-BN/pull/6822So re-add that back in, tweak whatever else about that change you don't like. Hey presto.You might find the scratching in suffer.cpp too, that's probably what's actually being called instead of (player.hastrait(schizo)) but... Messy codebase, it's half one way half the other.
>>551799453Last level before the throne room, I took an ability that gives me 2 con if I dont use upstairs, so no scumming 950 for consumables and stuffThis ability kinda remove all the challenge from Edains desuNo special vault or unique in sight, maybe I can find new gloves, Im still using my christmas present gauntlets
>>551819521>.cppDamn, that's a pre-build file right? what a pain. that's definitely a lot of trouble for something so minor.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHroguelikes for this feel?
>>551813428You sound remarkably defensive about someone making up a funny story based on a starting min-max choice.
And there's another floor.I mean it's a good thing but its also kind of annoying.Time for a tactical retreat I think, I'll tunnel up to the surface, bring my airship over and get some of the CBMs I've acquired installed.If nothing else, the scalpel CBM and the +2 perception one should speed up the dissections and it will give me a safe place to purify in peace since I picked some of those up clearing the top floor.>>551811685I've actually done runs with almost all the negative traits at one point or another, I haven't done one with the melee only trait, that one was added since I last played. I can see that one making things difficult in some places but the most annoying by far is the schizo trait.
Quite a collection I've built up. I have to admit the propeller one made me laugh when I first saw it but its nice that they are adding new CBMs.
>>551821260"We're moving to Lua scripting and .jsonizing stuff Soon™"
Will these guys ever move or are they gonna wait by the stairs for me forever
>>551839259They'll wander a bit but not necessarily out of LOS of the stairs.Pre-read a TP, haste, invis (resist, might, brilliance, etc) and have a blink ready if the TP doesn't put you somewhere comfortable.
>>551839259They'll wander after a while, probably best to do what anon said though, just in case. If you can do another branch first, you should. Depending on your build, Slime could be an easier third rune.I think they changed staircase behavior in 0.34 though, I haven't played it so maybe things are different now.
>>551841240After the Slime changes it is a miserable rune to get. Regret-index is NOT cool with people outsmarting the monsters by luring them away one by one, stairdancing, or any other such shenanigans. Pillar dancing is right out. You will fight these monsters in honorable combat.
>>551842903Did Slime get changed in 0.34 too? I feel like it's usually on par or easier than V5, though it obviously depends on the build. But lots of characters can cheese TRJ pretty easy.
>>551843256Yes. You can't go back up any of the stairs in Slime until you kill TRJ, so if you go downstairs and you're immediately surrounded by 20 enemies then I hope you have Shatter or Fire Storm castable (the dev approved way to play the game).
I just remembered Ignition is actually the spell you want in Slime, not Fire Storm. If you have that spell then it's probably still going to be an easy 3rd rune but otherwise I would avoid it.
>>551844861Oh that's super annoying. Yeah that'd make things riskier, though I think if you've got stuff like Ignition online it's a moot point, you could probably do either just fine. Maybe even Abyss is a better option if you've got good sustain instead, I feel like the last few times I've gone for it that it was pretty easy. But I'm no DCSS expert so idk.
>>551846260Abyss is a good one for melee and ranged weapons characters who can kill single targets (wretched stars) quickly without making a ton of noise. V5 is doable by most strong characters, but you need to resist most damage types because it's all the high level monsters thrown in there, so sometimes you just don't have rElec and it's a bad idea to try.
>get shafted from D4 to D7>fight ONE Drude on D7>instantly get a baneThis is the most dogshit overtuned mechanic I've seen in a long time. I now have a curse on me that will send reapers (https://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=reaper) at me if I rest. I just got game overed by a status effect applied by a D7 monster in 4 hits.
>>551850357I always felt like dcss entire difficulty is based on rng. Its either one extreme or the other, and the new malevolent force mechanic doesnt help at all. Ie a 3 level down shaft is basically a game over with extra steps.
>>551850357This shit is why I go Ash so often now, except this is too early even for that.
>>551851457This character would have easily survived the shaft in 0.33. I had a kite shield, a morningstar, 2 scrolls of TP, and 3 might potions. The Drude didn't even kill me with damage. I just got a bane which doesn't scale with player level so I have to survive 1.5 levels with endgame monsters coming at me because their fucking ORIGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL doom mechanic had to be crammed into the early game for no reason. This is not an inherent DCSS rng problem. This is the new dev making a bad game mechanic, which if it's anything like their bad shapeshifting rework they will refuse to back down on and refuse to fix the problems.
>>551850357>fight ONE Drude on D7>most of the level explored>all three up staircases seenhmm feels like something is getting left out here...
>>551851828>play experimental branch>get experimented onIf they release it as is then you'd have a point.
>>551851843The other 2 up staircases are camped by Dowan and Duvessa. There is still an asterisk on the 3rd up staircase because I have not gotten up to D6 for more than 1 turn yet.
Cristie I'm sorry I love you but I don't think it's going to work out, you're too radioactive>>551811685I'm trying asthmatic for the first time this run and I'm enjoying it
>>551816569>schizo weapon dropthe what?
>>551854831>eight foot fucking sevenjesusis there any way to cure this lady of her crippling radioactivity or is she doomed
>>551854942Your combat knife lied to you.You drop your combat knife on the dirt.
>krork unlock fight in tome4That is fucking retarded, lmao
>>551855535Invis mechanic is retarded
>>551855535Just get the unlock all options addon and skip all that bullshit.
>>551855535krork? you mean krog race? Sometimes I kill the necros easily, sometimes it's not even close, I can't offer any advice other than play a strong build and have 2+ sources of mobility
>>551813883I have now implemented a full and detailed stat sheet to explain just about all the details you'd want to know.I likely will also add a potion of dexterity, I have messed with rings of dexterity and I think adding potions of dexterity that increase your dexterity stat permanently similar to potions of give strength would not actually fuck up the balance, especially on roguelike mode, but even on roguelite mode.
Roguelikes for me? (I have wrist pain)
>>551864361nigga's really out there forking rogue like it's 1985
>>551868164Path of Achra
Seems once the tech level is high enough the prison troops get converted into potential suicide bombs. The way it's worded though mean they can just splat their own team instead just as well as splatting you.
YES!
>>551820689950 has been clearedAll that's left is to empty 2 staves of summoning to get every last drop of exp and loot before heading to the throne room
>>551884260Another fool trying to challenge meBut I have other matters to attend to, so he will live a little longer for today
>>551884260>>551885064I believe in you.
>>551629487Wouldn't going to the toxic waste dump be easier than trawling the sewers forever though?It's just right there aboveground, you don't have to fight anything, just climb a fence and smash a window
>>551498140Sassy
Are the rare classes limited to ones you've unlocked in ToME? I just realized that I've been getting shot at with guns by bears and skeletons a lot.
>>551896153you're not going to need a HackPro early on so you can just find one in a cityzombies can randomly drop it, it's just lying around in dumps and such as wellI would never even think about looking in the sewer
>>551908006No
>>551923231Oh, I guess you're ntaI just figured since it sounded like he was looking for that specifically in the sewers
>>551885064Throne room time! I have so much Con, its almost like im playing an elf. Not enough consumables because i couldn't scum 950, but I have no plan to kill Morgoth
>>551939196no I'm the anon who's been telling him he's retarded for looking in the sewers this whole time
>>551943848Morgoths friends It's Glaurung on the right but he won't leave his loot pile unless he sees me, then just Gothmog the balrog big boss and thuringwetil the vampire in the main roomThere's no shadow serpents which are the worst in this fight, so it's actually a pretty easy throne room
>>551944627A bit later, this happened Angrist disappeared into a pit made by the earthquake Literally the first time I had this happen and I played Sil a lotI desperately tried to get it back, but I couldn't clear the pit with song of freedom I couldve bailed at this point, I had already cut a sil from the crown, but .. my trusty dagger....... I jumped into the pit, but it was nowhere to be found.Then Morgoth splatted me in the pit with his big hammer!!!THE END
recently found a new roguelike in an open free playtest> EVERYTHING IS CRABsolid game, actual skill building needed for movement and timing in combat, plenty of build choices even in the pre-release. Not much to say that isn't said on the steam page. first game from the company, CEO was a designer on cp77 so its wild to see something like from them. Devs are super active on the discord if you feel like yelling at them.
>>551946594kys
>>551949901on it boss
>>551945327Anon betrayed...
>>551945327RIP, one day you may
My brain is H U G E
>>551946594>steam page>The Animal Evolution rogueliteBegone, apostate.
>>551952432fair enough man, I don't usually wander outside of /tg/ and I figured this was the right general. If there is a better one just spoon feed me boss man
>>551946594>movement and timing in combatnot a roguelike
>>551952178jesus
>>551954173When you actually look at what the definition of Roguelike is, being just a game with procedural generation, and permadeath, by this definition Minecraft Hardcore Mode is a roguelike but this thread isn't ready for that conversation
>>551943848>>551944627>>551945327did q get rid of song of slaying? i forget
>>551960552No but it was changed a bunch of timesI have no idea what it does now so it's probably not very good
>>551958783that definition is wrong, the definition is actually "atomic turns on a grid"
>>551958783There's no single definition, and if you're going by Berlin then no there's way more aspects than just those.
>>551966860To this day, I still don't know why the berlin interpretation is held up as some immutable fact when it was basically just something a bunch of sweaty nerds came up with at some convention.
>>551971192sweaty nerds who didn't even fucking invite me
>>551971272you shower too much to be invited
How the fuck do I actually play NetHack? On the very first floor, my kitten got crushed by a rock trap while I was stuck on a bear trap and then on the second floor I got killed by another fucking rock trap. Also, what happened to ADOM's website?
>>551971192Yeah that's what I meant, anon can't "look at what the definition of Roguelike is" because everyone is going to have a different one. It's mostly just vibes, so throwing out Minecraft isn't some kind of gotcha. Some could probably make a decent case for why tic tac toe is a roguelike, doesn't mean people will agree or that it's an objective truth.
Second floor clear, found out that it wasn't just xenotechs irradiating me, though they are still fuckers.Interesting that they added trams for the underground rail, shame its usually incredible limited.
>>551973878I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a lab subway take me somewhere useful
>>551864361The way I implemented mimic's early on was very jank, and very rushed, and the way I did it was by basically reskinning a mimic like enemy that was already in the game called a "Xeroc" and I regret doing this, because a xeroc is not a mimic, they should behave differently despite being similar in nature. They should have separate behavior, stats, AI and flags, and that's exactly how I have implemented the new mimics. The mimic now behaves exactly to how a mimic would behave in lets say dark souls.It'll appear identical to a chest, uses the chest sprite, and does nothing, it is not hostile, and does not move, nor does it reveal itself to detection logic.If an player attempts to open it, attack it, or bumps into it while searching, the mimic will reveal itself, consume one of your turns, and transform visually, the mimic will gain initiative. Their moveset hasn't been completely ported over yet but I will be importing a lot of the dark souls moveset to the mimic, a mimic especially early game if run into, should be seen as an enemy you run the fuck away from, not fight, at least not up close.
>>551958783Thats not turn based though, nor does it have item identification.
>>551977307>>551964391>>551966860>Berlin Berlin BerlinBiggest bunch of cope I have ever seen in my life, there isn't a single other genre that has had this happen, where some conference in Berlin in 2008 is what we're letting define the definition of a genre that existed 20 years prior to it? What a joke. Not one other genre had this nonsense occur, not other old genres like Metroidvanias, JRPG's, to even new ones like Soulslikes, Extraction Shooters, and Battle Royales. You're honestly gonna tell me if there was a real time, first person, immersive sim tier interaction, with extremely polished graphics and gameplay 1 to 1 exact copy of Tales of Maj'Eyal, Caves of Qud, or even Dwarf Fortress Adventure mode (I am aware such a thing would be basically impossible to develop i'm just saying hypothetically in some dream world scenario), that you'd really let some autists in Berlin in 2008, call that game a Roguelite of all things, when it is in a procedurally generated world, and has permadeath?
>>551975390Well they often lead to other labs but doing multiple microlabs back to back is pure torture.
>>551981234no I'd call it an FPS or whatever, call whoever brought it into this thread a nigger, and then go back to playing roguelikesor not, as the case may be, I'm playing factorio right now
>>551983850I've got one that took me to the central lab, which is coolI already knew where it was but it's cool to be able to go there through nonconventional means
Is Moodenge a roguelike?
>>551988279Moo Deng roguelike when?
>>551943848I was surprised to see you actually weren't playing a filthy elv with those statsgood job either way, son of man
>>551981234I don't think anyone can condone your insistence on forcing a realtime aspect into the genre.If you'd like, I can write an AHK script that forces a 5 or . keypress to make your character wait in place if you haven't pressed a movement key in the past .5 secondsI think Cataclysm has a forced realtime mode too, you might like that?
Having a proxy corp is really nice in Quasimorph. You can just take whatever from your corp's stocks instead of bartering. And having an elite strike force sweep ahead of you if it's an associated mission is cool. And you can loot their gear when they die, your deaths won't be wasted.
>>551952178
>>551990878I usually play ultra diving stealth singers so never really paid attention to it, but the oath of iron that gives 2 con is mega busted. You just need 6 will and the only downside is you can only go downstairs, which is a big nothingburger if you aren't trying to kill Morgoth
>>551952178Slime?
>>551981234Its not about the berlin interpretation, its that those are important roguelike elements.
>>551981234>don't listen to those nerds from 2008, listen to this nerd in 2025you see the issue here?
>try to do the krog unlock quest on a pure anti magic character specifically made to counter the fucking necromancer bane of blindness spam>The fucking boss spawn with a unique that cause sleep you cant resist and fuck me over because for some reason my guy dont fucking wake up despite being clubbered with spells so the krog end up waking up and get obliterated by the boss aoe who prioritize them over meGod fucking damnit I hate my luck, its like rngesus just like to bust my kneecap on repeat.
>>551981234Autistic genres tend to attract autistic debatings. They'll argue to the death over the most nonsensical thing.I can still recall the dreaded days of yore when /hsg/ was still a thing, autists arguing like their life depended on it about wether or not trolls should have human or tentacle dicks... I get shivers just thinking about it.
>>551972129>How the fuck do I actually play NetHack?git gudAlso it's a roguelike. Trial and error.
>>551988590No one is stopping you from making it.
What's the "petrified eye" do? I vaguely remember something about unlocking a temple, but I can't remember when I last saw one of those. Grabbing it is obviously going to summon monsters, and that's not worth it if I don't get a real artifact out of it.
>>552032685The temple iirc, usual has 2 artifacts at the bottom.The enemies it summons aren't too bad, they leave acid trails though.
>>552034618But taking the eye doesn't get me anything other than the eye, right? I need to find the temple before it pays off.
>>552035003Correct.
>>552030864Why would I want to make a Moo Deng roguelike?
>>552036510So you can stop asking when.
>>552036721I don't even know how to make a roguelike
>>552037250Then shut the fuck up you dumb retard bitch.
if you ask me fun should be outlawed and everyone should be as miserable as I am
especially those who are having fun together without me
>>552046962I am making a roguelike about you though, I shall call you Poo Dumb
A microreactor CBM takes 55 torso slots. A radiation scrubber takes an additional 5. Should I uninstall the metabolic interchange, or the bionic slots mod? It'll fit, but my body's gonna be basically full.
>>552036721>reddit comment
God I hate how in tome4 the rng love to fuck you over by giving bossed items that completely neuter you, just lost a lvl 40 wyrmic antimagic beast of a character to groshack pride or whatever the fuck because for some fucking reason he would dodge every single ones of my attacks and my strikes that normally hit in the thousands would suddenly hit for ~50 on average. Fucking rng bullshit I swear to god, no amount of skills can compensate for this kind of retarded mechanics.
>>552054908Sounds like you just didn't have enough accuracy and damage since he has a lot of armor. The boss is very weak and it's an item check.
>>552053549Nah there was no reddit spacing.
>>552055135>reddit semanticsIt was more the content than the format.
>>552053252What are you even planning to use it for?
>this map shape>these dogshit rewards game has become sentient and is mocking me
>>552055610Oy vey!I'm joking, relax
>>552055610>>these dogshit rewardsI might be tipping my hat here but that's kinda funny since socks are one of the most common Hanukkah gifts to receive.
>>552055270Care to explain how?
>>552056951No, I don't redditsplain to people, especially in a roguelike general.
>>552053252Radiation scrubber? Just let it speed up the process of evolution.
>>552035003>>552032685the fight is trivial if you have RM13 or power armor and a pain in the ass otherwisepick up the eye
>>552053252don't install it, the cable charger is superior in all cases with the metabolic interchange as an emergency backup
Many such cases!
Is there any way to set a default tool in cata? aka tell the game stop fucking trying to use my acetylene torch when I have a vehicle welding rig?
>>551991461It's not about the real time thing, it's about the arbitrary additions in general. For example a JRPG, or Metroidvania, will still be be a JRPG or Metroidvania whether it's real time, or turn-based, a roguelite will still be a roguelite if it's turn-based or real time. A soulslike will still be a souls like whether it's turn-based or real time, has, is first person, third person, isometric, or otherwise.What is far more defining for Roguelikes however over Roguelites is the fact that it's permadeath with no metaprogression, and a proc-gen world of some kind, even if it's simple proc-gen like enemy placement or tileset randomization. The reason I would agree with not agreeing to the Berlin definition is only because of how much it limits the genre, it can still be completely distinct from roguelites which are more casual by definition because of meta-progression.
>>552057126You sound pretty redditsexual to me.
>>552057126You're such a faggot. Always in here talking about how someone is posting a "reddit comment."
>>552060820It's not about Berlin being the end all be all authority.Just that they settled on a framework by committee that's fairly accurate to what most people feel the genre representsMiriam-Webster doesn't actually DECIDE what a word means.But they do, historically, provide the most accurate definition of words as most people understand them.Different genres will speak to different aspects of gameplay; Not every facet of a game is defined by the genre. A first person shooter would not be a first person shooter if it was actually third person. An RTS would not be an RTS if it was turnbased.Your exclusive focus on proc-gen and permadeath is kind of a weird subset to focus on. Especially so that you seem to think the most important difference is built-in meta-progression. You say it's not about the real time aspect, but it still feels like you're protecting that.I don't think hardly anyone would make a turnbased metroidvania and insist that we call it a "metroidvania game" instead of a "turnbased metroidvania game"And in this sense, roguelite serves the function of "real time roguelike" or "metaprogression roguelike"Because it diverges far enough from the baseline to need an additional qualifier. Like vanilla, vanilla ice cream, strawberry ice cream, strawberry ice cream with chocolate chips.Strawberry ice cream with chocolate chips is not "vanilla" just because you used vanilla ice cream as a base.
>>552059617No.You can unload the gas tank from the torch as a workaround.
>>552055327The UPS, mostly.>>552057484I went and installed it. I thought about it and realized that I almost always use the metabolic interchange if I can find it, and have literally never used the reactor before now.Anyway, it's actually pretty great. The radiation scrubber uses 10kJ every ten minutes when active, and the reactor passively generates three times that when turned off. This consumes no fuel. And when I need fast energy, I can turn it on to generate 10kJ/s, and toggle the "safety override" to push it to 40kJ/s. Without the bionic slots, this might be the single best power generator CBM. Assuming you also find the scrubber that is, I expect it's basically a slow acting suicide button without it.I've even seen the microreactor upgrade somewhere. Didn't pick it up, and it's not close, but I do have a note. Should be fun to see what that does.
>>552066076>And in this sense, roguelite serves the function of "real time roguelike" or "metaprogression roguelike"The problem here is the fact that turn based roguelites are also extremely popular, this kind of defeats your point, whether they be more RPG like ones like Darkest Dungeon 1/2, or deckbuilder types, but there's plenty of other ones.You see your example with RTS is interesting, because if we had the same thing happen with RTS at a conference that we had with Roguelikes, it would probably go something like this>An RTS is a game that always is in real time, no exceptions whatsoeverWhat about pausing Berlincel?>UH NO, also RTS games are typically defined by the PVP scene which doesn't allow pausingI see but what about all the people who like it for the strategy aspect and want to play alone or in an expanded setting?>Fuck youAnd now any RTS game that has real time with pause, or grand strategy RTS will not exist, say goodbye to Stellaris, say goodbye to tons of games really or any RTS that evolved primarily around a singleplayer focus, all because for some reason there's some strange arbitrary elitism that is defining the genre too rigidly because some extremely active and hardcore Starcraft and Warcraft players would view the SP RTS Camapigns as more of a tutorial for the multiplayer, despite the fact singleplayer campaigns were somewhat extensive for many games in the genre.Ironically enough I would argue that one of the defining features of most RTS games is that you can pause the game to think of your next move, of course this doesn't apply to the PVP scene but this is something that existed even in the 90's allowing you to manage things while time was paused, and yet it was still called an RTS. Does this mean the game isn't an RTS? If we had some Berlin conference for RTS games it very well might have, despite the fact when you unpause the game it's playing in real time, oh and also you can often speed up time aswell, also not real time
>>551981234>real time, first person, immersive sim tier interactionMakes you think.Anyway, the true definition of "roguelike" is actually this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-13LUfagQhYSomeone's supposed to link this video in every thread, but apparently they forgot.
Did you know that when you play a game for the first time, it's equivalent to playing a procgenned game? Playing Fallout 1/2 for the first time counts as playing a roguelike
>>552058298>your phantom mirror shatters!
>>552069107What are you carrying around that you need that much UPS for?
>>552062295Who me? Nah, but the other guy? Totally.>>552064302>reddit cope
>>552069790>this kind of defeats your pointNo? That can be described as a "turnbased roguelite" and you'd be able to easily infer that some other tenet of roguelike design principle has been departed from- "Metaprogression roguelike" doesn't even preclude turnbased, it somewhat suggests that it's likely that game is turnbased, in fact.Darkest Dungeon violates the precepts of modality and single character control, primarily, but if you asked me to tell you what it was I'd settle along the lines of "turnbased menu-battler dungeoncrawler base builder" for a start. There's no need to start hollering that it's obviously a roguelike from there, just because some aspects are similar.I don't understand where you're going with this "What if I made a deliberately shitty definition of RTS that people would disagree with"Do you mean to argue that an RTS(with pause) would somehow be precluded by this hypothetical definition of yours and that that somehow means the most popular roguelike definition is irrational too? I don't think that anybody is earnestly arguing against RTS games that allow pausing, mind you, I think most people see it as a reasonable component of the genre.But you could easily call it RTS-with-pausing, the same way you can call a ROGUELITE a "metaprogression roguelike"That is, IF enough people actually objected to pausing in a singleplayer campaign to begin with- The thing you perverts keep glossing over is the Berlin Definition first and foremost argues that it's a general rubric, not guaranteed or meant to be holistic, exhaustive or prescriptive.>>552069891Don't remind us of that pick-me twink's clout chasing train of thought spergramble, please.
I don't know why we're still arguing about what defines a roguelike. I do. I define them. Just ask me.
I write roguelikes for a living#define ROGUELIKE "ROGUELITE"printf("A roguelike is a %s", ROGUELIKE);
Useless anons.
>>552069891Because that vid is bullshit.
>>552077232>Who me? Nah, but the other guy? Totally.Redditply
You know, I've never had an account on reddit so I have no idea what this "reddit posting" shit is about, someone give me a tl:dr summary.
>>552100008If I don't like it, it's reddit.
sexlikes?
>>552100008(Social Media Site) users think they're better than (Social Media Site) users and therefore any disagreement at all must mean the other user is an idiot from that hellhole (Social Media Site)>>552102047I'll sexlike you in a minute.
rizzlike ohiolike skibiditoiletlike unclops?
>>552100008I've never heard or reddit posting but reddit spacing is what >>552060820is doing. Where there is a space between every sentence when there is no need for it. Its supposedly a habit people pick up from reddit because their post editor is weird and requires two returns just to get to the next line.
>>552079758Turn based roguelites do defeat the point, and your deflections only highlight the rigidity of the definition. Turnbased roguelite, or metaprogression roguelite isn't a clean inference of one deviation.But really you're missing the point here, yes there are subgenres within roguelites, but they're all still roguelites. The Binding of Isaac is as much of a Roguelite as Darkest Dungeon, but they are still completely different SUBGENRES of roguelite.It's like how Phonk and Breakcore are both EDM but sound completely different. The reason why I said what I said about RTS games here, is because in whether it be in the 80's, 90's, or even 2000's, Roguelikes were and still are relatively niche as a genre, correct? I would argue this mostly has to do with visuals, most normies simply cannot accept how shit the games look and it's why caves of qud, and dwarf fortress got much more of a massive audience once the graphics got better, but that's completely beside the point.Imagine an alternate reality where the same thing happened with RTS, do you really think the reason why Roguelikes look the way they do, is because that's how the developers of the first major ones wanted them to look like? Especially the ones that got far more advanced way before the Berlin conference? No, of course not, they looked that way because looking that way allows developers to implement extremely advanced features and simulated complexity without having to worry about any other bullshit. The point i'm making is, this genre being so locked the fuck down definitionally is preventing it from growing, and simply makes no sense at all, and i'm saying this as something heavily invested in the genre. Let me put it this way, if you were to take a lot of the Roguelike developers from 1980 to 2000, before the Berlin Conference happened, ask them if they could make a game identical to their own, but in a 3D world, real time, just as complex, would they? I guarantee they'd all do it.
>>552103141Go back
>>552104306Yeah thats when a lot of redditors came to 4chan and brought their spacing with them. It sticks out like a sore thumb and thats whey it was called out so much.
>>552104601I may be in the roguelike thread, but i'm not autistic enough to not realize this is bait, nice try though retard.
>>552104745Correlation equals causation bro sorry.
>>552104601I've never written a post for Reddit, everI'll type however I fucking want toAttacking my formatting is the faggiest way to let everyone know you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute, not even an opinion.How can you be so fucking stupid that the only thing you have to say is "I don't like the way you type :(" we honestly would've taken anything else.Kill yourself
>>552103612>metaprogression rogueliteYou prove you've failed to understand the course material. You will have to retrial your thesis next year, thank you, denied.
>>552060820a first person shooter can't be a first person shooter and be turn based, much the same way a roguelike cannot be not atomic turns on the grid
>>552069107see if you can find the power armor mkII bionic and walk around in heavy power armor 100% of the time
>>552111552>a first person shooter can't be a first person shooter and be turn basedhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/950180/Lemnis_Gate/
>>552075691the only thing I can think of is power armor, a laser weapon as your main source of damage, or....shit, I dunnoimplanted night vision and/or infrared vision?>>552111723in order to be a first person shooter it must be a video game, and that's... not a video game anymore
>>552094623I like how this upsets you so much>>552100008>the cope continues a minute later>>552109878A sperg got put in his place and he can't handle it and scared everyone else away thinking he is an internet tough guy.
>>552112136>in order to be a first person shooter it must be a video game, and that's... not a video game anymoreIt looks like the reason why it died wasn't even because it was done badly, it was because of a lack of population, which is common across any niche genres or novel concepts, which is why it's dangerous to have a niche idea and then center it around multiplayer, but to say a first person shooter cannot be turn based is flawed, just as it is flawed to say a turn based game cannot have real time elements to the combat, whether it be real time defense ala undertale or parrying in some turn based games, or even real time battles in between turns such as FPS chess.
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>>552113084I don't know, the wine glass there that is mostly empty gives off a really weird sexual/"on a date" vibe that I don't like.
>>552113214he's not a pussy he can handle his wine without getting sexual
>>552113117
best roguelike to kms with?
some faggot on xitter made a tech demo that was almost what I would call a non grid based roguelikeyou commanded your dudes to do atomic actions and everything played out in real time as you did your little sword swing or whateverof course he never turned it into a game because he's a faggot on twitter but
I didnt know about the Zot:5 changes so when I read the message about the Tesserate i rushed in like a retarded and died. Fuckin devs
>>552115507the what?
>>552116304tesseract*
>>552116361I still don't know any of it because I haven't touched crawl in foreverthe crawl wiki has nothing on a zot:5 either, but it has a specific page for ithttp://crawl.chaosforge.org/Boundless_tesseract>In 0.34, Boundless tesseracts will be added. They are intended to deal with luring strategies (more specifically, shouting repeatedly in the same place for hundreds of turns) in Zot:5 - luring had became safer with the removal of monster spawns over time in 0.21 and the removal of hunger in 0.26. To compensate, Zot:5 will have 4 natural random spawns removed.You know what's deeply homosexual?This.This is faggotry of the highest degree.I refuse to play crawl after 0.17, unless it's a fork.
>>552116598I haven't heard anything good about DCSS in years. It's a damn shame.
>>552116754first nail in the coffin was the non-respawning enemiessecond to last nail in the coffin for me was the zot clockthen attacks of opportunity destroyed any chance of me playing this shitshow
I quit playing stone soup after they removed singularity
>>552116890Adding attacks of opportunity was a really bad change, but it wasn't nearly as bad as shapeshifting rework (the forms are permanent and not dependent on spellcasting), tesseracts (designed to stop people from luring monsters), and doom (bad mutations that literally take 45 minutes to grind off in abyss instead of using a potion).Oh, and you find level appropriate spells one by one instead of in themed books. This is a blatant buff for spellcasters because you find early spells that are useful for early game characters at a much higher rate, even if the number of spells you find is the same. The caster favoritism is off the charts.
>>552075691I have a laser pistol and an invisibility cloak.
I got random quests workingThe chest is supposed to be an NPC that hands out quests and gives you reward for completing themThese will work aside with more refined contents; my goal is that these bounties will more or less put a flag on the map telling you where a dangerous area is while you explore (and if you clear them, you got some goodies) while the main quests are the stuff you are supposed to focus on.
>>552118187yeah that'll do it
>>552116598I mean shouting in the same place for hundreds of turns doesn't sound like riveting gameplay at all. Treating a game as a chore to get sick scores/cheevos is putting the cart before the horse.
>>552121254It also punishes people who just clear Zot 5 slowly and carefully, or frankly just don't have a source of regen. If you fight a group of monsters, take a bunch of damage, and then go rest upstairs, the tesseracts will spawn in 10 new monsters while you are on Zot 4.
RLs that best capture sword and sorcery and/or weird fantasy?
>>552125484there are none
I will have a demo out end of jan I CAN breathe
>the microreactor upgrade takes another 55 bionic slotsThis might be an actual bug. The torso only has 80 slots, and you can't install the upgrade without the regular microreactor, which is also 55. It's impossible to ever install it, even if I removed everything else.
>Lose life to unique snake cunt that insta crit me for ~750 when I had ~300 life from being an oozemancer and for some reasons my slimes didn't even trigger>Life of blood revive me>Lose life to unique ghoul literally the next room over who instakill me without even doing any fucking damage, just tell me I was mindraped to death instantly, whatever the fuck that is even supposed to meanMan even with the fucking oozemancer which I've heard is supposed to be easy mode I get railed over and over again by bullshit rng, why the fuck am I so badlucky all the fucking time... ie the equilibrium mechanic might as well be a fucking diceroll because the % of fail is utterly irrelevant in my case, as I had it happens more often at 4% aka the lowest chance than any other time...
>>552147203fault
>>552147203What game is this?>>552147313I did not like that game at all when I found out about it on /indie/ and it had some sort of connection to CoC or another game I played in the past when I checked it out.
>>552147203Well if you have bad luck the good news is that the longer you play the more your luck evens out, so it's only up from here. A lot of people can't take the randomness because after 1 or 2 good runs only to get your shit pushed in is enough for people to stop playing.
>>552119763No one here is going to care about stuff you're working on because they are just flavor of the week dick riders.
>>552119763Looks neat>>552149903Kinda hard when everything posted here is very early development.
>>552149191If only it was the case, I'd have won the lottery by this point, yet here I am a broken penniless shitshow of a man.>>552147528Tales of Maj'Eyal
>>552147203flat health is what you want on equipment in the early game. You don't want the cloak with +10% fire damage, you want the cloak with +41 max life, and the lantern with +30this matters more on nightmare+ but snakes, midge swarms, ants, anything that moves faster than you are the deadliest uniques, that's why Old Forest is done later
>>552107568I appreciate your proper formatting there.
>>552121840Yup, it's another "There was one specific edge case they didn't like, so they fucking put a hole in the entire tactical and strategic space" episode
>>552119763Cool. How many variables can you tweak to get different quests?
>>552135551That's what you get for playing with bionic space on(Does it actually stop you from trying to install?)
>>552157141It does yes.
>>552160147Well thought out.
chicken jockey don't let this thread die
Decided to finally try out IVAN today and wow. What a lovely game. I haven't been this excited to keep playing and learning about a RL in years.Last life I kicked a door, which triggered a trap, which triggered my gas grenade and I watched as my torso slowly melt while a kobold crawled towards me through the gas. Good stuff.
Why has Capcom never attempted a roguelike Monster Hunter release? It has the perfect base template of skill expression. You can beat monsters with starting equipment if you're simply good enough,
>>552189268Because it doesn't lend itself to being a turn based type game. Also because roguelikes don't have mass appeal. Next question.
>>552189880Alright, what about a collab between Monster Hunter and a prominent roguelike?
Oh? New mutagens too?
>>552190238What roguelike is prominent enough for Capcom to give a fuck???
>>552190238>a prominent roguelike??
>>552193597>>552193097Like dwarf fortress or shovel knight
>>552193792>prominent>roguelike
>>552193792you missed on both points. they aren't prominent or roguelikes.
>>552194885>>552194301>my arbitrary le definition of prominent or roguelike doesn't le apply to these 2 games so... BTFOOkay but you know what I mean regardless. It's besides the point of wanting a MH collab with a Roguelike.
I'm playing tome4 for the first time, on those escort missions what happens if you select the single talent reward over the whole talent tree? Does it unlock its entire corresponding tree? Or just that skill? If the latter then can you level that skill beyond the single point you receive?
>>552196349only that skillYou can level it up only if you already have the category unlockedThe category reward only reveals the category, you still need 1 category point to unlock it
>>552196628>You can level it up only if you already have the category unlockedHow does that work when I get a talent from a category that I can't naturally unlock? Like when I'm a Rogue and the Sun Paladin lets me pick Chant of Fortitude? Do I then have to spend a Category Point on Chants to level it further?
>>552197170If you can't naturally unlock then it will be stuck at that level. Sometimes you get multiple of the same escorts and you can use this to level it further. Having an ability at lvl 1 is fine in many cases since it's still free stat/utility.An ability like Track for example even at lvl 1 can still reveal a lot of tiles late game since it scales with Cunning.
>>552193013yeah, serpent turns people into shopping carts
>>552196349>>552197170If you take the talent, then you get a point in the talent, no further investment required. If you take the tree, you'll get the tree available as an option but you'll need to invest the point to unlock it like any of your other trees.
>>552197431>>552197517Got it, thank you
>>552195098why would capcom waste their time "collabing" with a genre that has no players and would not affect either capcom's bottom line or the bottom line of whatever arbitrary roguelike you choose? no one is going to start playing CoQ because they added fucking rathalos, dog. go play dota or whatever
>>552198149Adding "roguelike" to your notaroguelike is a proven marketing success though
Funny thing, I was actually looking for a pair of ear plugs.Happy new year /rlg/!
Happy 100% black new year
dielike
>>552199914Do you get pussy by being a whiny lil nigger in real life?
I haven't played Cata since before DDA was released and the 80x25 viewport wasn't adjustable.What branch/fork do I use? I want to calculate how much fun is left in our planet's soil.
>>552205473my personal favorite weapon to put in the leg mount is the RM216 SPIW, which I would greatly prefer if it were classified as an assault rifle and not a submachine gun
>>552225125what a good scene, god bless Bosshiyou're looking for Bright Nights, if you want to see how degenerate things have gotten I recommend The Last Generation but Bright Nights is the best experience coming straight from the old versions
>>552226375Thanks, fampai.
>Yiuf lair on D7>he gives up if you try to go about D5>this makes the rescue (the entire point of playing Crawl) impossible
Finally got beyond midgame, finally got to see new stuff. I didn't get to see the tesseract with my elf eyes - it's around a corner and gets annihilated by firestorm as a consequence of other monsters being around, despite >200hp and 10regen. The traps into the lung as less BS so it is more practical to rush after it.No other real noteworthy monsters, except that Zot now has a random 'orb'-type enemy. In this case, orbs of entropy, using doom, acid, and negative energy, replace orbs of fire. That makes Zot a much less fire-oriented place, and a mere rF+ was comfy despite draconians.Doom is a welcome change. Also, mutagenic eyes and such cause contamination rather than instamuting, so it's possible to avoid getting devolved in zot and slime (this particular DE has 0 mutations). The other big change is that Depths is now quite hard comparative to before; it's advisable to do Elf and even Vault first.(yes I kept magic dart throughout the game because the battlesphere is just that good; yes I also needed that troll armor regen more than anything else for the armor slot)
>>552227824important things to note:constructions are good now, use them for working up the metalworking treesurvivor gear is cracked, use itcudgel is the good early-game melee weapon, then transition into quarterstaff and ironshod quarterstaffskills are capped at 10 now
>>552229207omedetou
>>552229207Congrats.
>>552117050I lost interest in playing DCSS after they removed potion of beneficial mutation. I quit when the developers are actually working to prevent the player from becoming perfect.
I started Sil-Q and I'm really digging it so far despite not being a fan of LotR, but I have to ask, why does the layout change when you return to a floor? That's the only niggle I have so far.
>>552229207Ironic that the other guy was complaining the game is oriented toward casters now, and here you're the only one who likes the changes.
>>552235738>why does the layout change when you return to a floor?Morgoth ensorcles his stairs.
for real though, the forum challenges on angband.live forced me to (non-consensually) be a better player instead of a sick, bloodythirsty madmani used to plunge into angband viciously like a horny hadorian edain, ready to fuck, ready to kill, ready to prolapse orc anii, ready to wield the biggest fucking weapon possible with maxx'd strength bonus, just turning every single fucking room into an algorithm of murder—i would enter a 3x3 with four orc warriors/champions and leave with two branded items, and if that did not happen, i would bait them to the stairs and beg them to call for help just to increase the bodypile because i wanted my fucking bounty and loot recompensei was sick by the end, covered in blood and semenat my worst moment, i built a 25x25 hall of slaughter for uber morgoth (he lasted less than a fucking day, but i had to kill him, and i fucking did) and murdered him with angrist, just gutting that fucking vala until the game threw up its arms and called me an autistic faggot—"victory" under any other genre—and let me don that crown of starsoh, it was mighty, and i was happy in my torment, and /rlg/ was me, and me was /rlg/
>>552235682It's so fucking lameI don't enjoy "beating the game" by hurdling myself broken and bleeding over the finish line with scant pixels of "perfect balance" between me and an ownfaultI enjoy bending the game to my will and becoming superlatively powerful, chaining Ziggurats, grabbing all the runes, maxing out my XP bar and equipping and abusing ludicrous artifacts and esoteric combosI didn't "finish" Qud when I was able to make like Shinji couldn't and just get in the mecha and coast to the finish line.I FINISHED it when I had permanent uptime on my mental buffs, my perfect cybernetic loadout, triple modded armor and weapons and arbitrarily huge stats (plus every schematic in the game)
>>552238689>I don't enjoy "beating the game" by hurdling myself broken and bleeding over the finish line with scant pixels of "perfect balance" between me and an ownfaultnigga u aint /rlg/lyfe
So do I need to give my main character a sort of "mortal necessity" to go on their quest (the game)? I know it's easier to just forget it but sometimes the stakes become so high it sort of becomes weird if the character just pushes through till the end
Just died to a LV25 Worm That Walks as a LV13 Rogue. Got it down to like 44% then choked and died without using my Blood of Life. Might've died a second time though because my attacks feel so limped dick after dumping my talents.
>>552243156The Worm has like 50% physical resistance and deals a lot of blight damage so it's quite rough as weapon damage characters
>>552243202Yeah, I checked after the fact. Don’t think I had any shred though, just penetration.
>>552189268>>552189268Japs very rarely innovates, especially with old and established ip's. Also doesn't help the high exec of these companies tend to be very possessive of their assets, so very rarely devs will be allowed to step outside the route already proven to be profitable, and a lot don't even think of making a game that isn't tailored for japanese markets, with exportations being an afterthought.ie almost every single jrpg, monster hunter game (until 4 the gameplay was almost the exact same, gameplay wise, from one game to another), etc. Like to give an exemple, dark soul was considered dead in the water by execs from the get go, yet look at it nowaday and it inspired an entire genre of games.
>reinforcing rm13 just increases environmental protection
>>552246481yeahcan it be modified at all? I've never tried
>>552244291Tome4 deaths are always a "I checked after it was too late" kind of vibe desu.It perfectly encapsulates zoning you out into the flow state and then ganking you with some bullshit right as you get tired of checking every new enemy at LoS
>>552243156worm that walk are bullshit, for some reason as a writhing one class they suck ass on average but when you encouter them they kick the shit out of you. they're one of the reason I never bother with old forest until I get 15 to 17 or more, its always better to grind every low level dungeons then go to maze (unless its the pit variant, which final boss is way harder than the minotaur) or daikara, then old forest. even if the first two or three levels can be easy due to the weak enemies, its easy to get btfo by a random unique.
>>552247398Apparently, I didn't know you could do this.This makes rm13 the best armour for mutants I think.
>>552247398>>552248892Almost fully modded version, I didn't bother with nomex as it's already fire immune or the size modification (just add 10 encumb) as that wouldn't apply to most.
>>552249330>34 encumbranceeww nasty, you need to be very conservative with which modifications you put on things76 ballistic protection is kind of nutty but I don't think it's that much better than standard RM13 unless you know you're going to be fighting bandits or walking into machine gun fire
>>552248892you could line it with fur or wool to make it warmerprobably not necessary
cataclysm zombies if they real
>>552250043Yeah, generally I finding modifying stuff to not be that good. Usually you are better of just crafting something else.That said, it's still probably the best armour you'll get for large mutants, even with the +10 encumbrance.
I hope you stay true to your resolutions this year!
>>552225125the cum absorber
>vormithrax hasn't uploaded a CDDA vid in almost a yearDid the devs finally manage to drive away all but the most autistic players?Also, he is total shit at playing PoA, which I find funny as fuck.
>>552190238Stoneshard I believe is equipped to have MH-like boss battles. Their major bosses are already monsters like a troll and a manticore if I recall.
>>552253619>Did the devs finally manage to drive away all but the most autistic players?/rlg/ posters have almost all moved to Bright Nights, so what does that tell you?
By the way, if you see these words in your dungeon overview, you can safely exit the game and go play something else. It will save you a lot of mental anguish if you just accept that you didn't rng into a fun version of the game.
Is Cogmind worth picking up on sale?Approaching Infinity also looks interesting as someone who liked ProspectorRL back in the day.
>>552259269cogmind is good but just keep in mind it is a stealth game
>>552259269Approaching Infinity is lowkey kind of ass.I'm proud of them for making a game but it's kind of ass.
>>552259269100%how much is it?
>>552259835>10% offthen noit's an excellent game but at 20+ € it isn't a discountI'm gonna keep an eye on it for any sales
>>552253619I did this just because of him shitting on self dmg builds.
happy new year>/rlg/ is almost 14 years old
>>552266029>:3
>>552266175let's keep going
>>552259789What's ass about it?
>>552269549imagine a butt, but it's hairy and the sphincter is slightly prolapsed and there are little turd nuggets on the anal hair
>>552269712is it a female buttis it an asian buttthey do that a lot
Holy fuck, this might actually be one of the most worthless crafting recipes in the entire game.
>>552248183I did look at his talents at least, I just didn't pay attention to defenses/resistances. I'm no good at calculations so I probably would've still tried to fight him anyway. Looking at the outcome I definitely needed to have a point in Coup de Grace or some other damaging skill to stand a chance. Also the 30 Sustained Stamina for the lone point in Precise Strikes wasn't worth it.>>552248759On my runs so far (all Rogue) I've been doing Trollmire -> Arena -> Kor'Pul -> Scintillating/Rhaloren -> Maze -> Forest -> Sandworm -> Daikara (Looking at a guide just now apparently I've been missing Norgos and Heart of the Gloom every run lol). Haven't died to Maze bosses, even the pit variant, but have gotten destroyed by vaults there. Same with Forest. No deaths in Sandworm at all but I've yet to make it past Daikara (Lacked Freeze and Cold resist against Rantha, jumped into packs of Snow Giants, entered Temporal Rift ones, suicided to save an escort)
>>552193792>shovel knight>roguelikenigger what
>>552279423why? you can eat it like 4 times
>>552279423MREs stack efficiently. 6 to a spot while canned meat/beans/veg are 2 to a spot.
>>552184914You reminded me of how I once prayed to the gods, whom made by legs bananas and I kept slipping because banas are slippery.Thank you god for teaching me humility.
>>552283429Temporal rift is pure cancer if you dont have some form of water breathing or ranged attack because the boss always spawn at the lake of Nur, which is peak retardation since the fuckers always teleport into the water. Like unless you're undead dont even bother as a melee class.
>>552205473FinallyOf course the power armour helmet blocks loud sounds when active, but this is still not useless
Happy new year /rlg/! Let's all do our best this coming year!
>>552236435I dunno, it's still kind of a luck-oriented game either way. As a melee-dude, you're dependent on randomly getting the weapon and armor you need to survive. Playing carefully can bend the curve but not in the long run. For example, I had a +11 artifact ice dragon armor with lots of benefits, and I fully intended to wear it, and practiced armor and pumped strength to do so, but nothing other than the elemental staff came up with rF that didn't have awful downsides, so it was never practical. If it had been something I was actually depending on, I would have lost.It's the same for casters, except in that instead of getting cool unique artifacts (or rare unrandarts with cool specific mechanics) you're looking for the same set of spells. My DECj found a battlesphere parchment lying on the floor, and would have for-sure died if I had been relying on mystic blast and fulminant prism when a shaft took me to the land of bears and huge gnoll packs. Vehumet is eventually guaranteed to provide good spells, but you're a quarter of the way through the game before that happens.So, as a caster you have a choice of Vehumet or Sif Muna as gods; anything else means that sooner or later you're going to be screwed on spells. Just like weapons, spells sort of have an expiration date, and you're not getting through the late game with low-level spells. There's no other way to affect the outcome. You can't intentionally find or seek out spells - they're just going to be on the ground randomly or not there.>>552259030Not really seeing the problem to be honest. They do acid damage (for which you'll have rCorr anyway) and doom. There's like 10 of them in the entire game, all in Zot. They're still definitely the strongest enemy you'll face, but that was also true of OoF, which malmuted you the instant they were on screen and made rF+++ mandatory. Just do lots of non-N damage before they doom you.
I'm not okay.
>>552304026But I'm going to be alright.
>>552305758I hope not. It'd add insult to injury if you were.
>>552306025No one gets left behind, we're all going to make it
>>552290094why do you have such a hard time finding common shit like ear plugs
>>552307475Okay.
>>552308262The RNG gives, and the RNG takes away
What's the bump limit on /vg/? Fairly new to roguelikes.
>>552317431like a million
>>552317431hmmmm, I wonder
I think Brogue might be the gold standard for roguelike design if not game design in general. It's so stripped down, but just about everything about it it works. My only complaint is that rapid mode has been kicking my ass.
>>552320957Lighting and water effects are a lot like sound quality, they do a lot of the heavy lifting if you have bear bones graphics and can really make or break a game.
>>552318032The Terraria General is still around?
hmmmm
>>552290472People misusing roguelike as a marketing term doesn't mean that roguelike and roguelite "don't mean anything" anon
>>552250182How are they able to be so fucked up but not fall over?
>Stone warden Eldritch Slam also hurt your allies and escorts>MfwThis is fucking dumb, and it just crossed my mind after a few hours of game that the final fight, if I manage to reach it, is going to be an absolute pain if I also have to fight the sun paladin girl in addition to the two mages, because for some fucking reason in tome4 if you do any damage to certain allies they turn hostile. But I guess there is a silver lining in the fact that its kind of amusing seeing an escort get obliterated by friendly fire.
>>552339920Stone Warden is probably the most scuffed class in the game. It has some potentials but there are so many downsides to its abilities.I have never seen the sun paladin girl turn hostile however (unless you count the scripted event) so it should be the least of your concern. You _can_ get fucked by the final boss as a SW even if you get all the way there, considering all the bad things it has.
>>552334219I guess they're so out of it they barely register their physical feelings, but can still somehow feel their center of mass influence and seek out the thin margin where they feel like almost falling because its the only thing their mind is registering and they crave sensation.
>>552340202Kind of fearing the magical damage, because despite being tanky and having some reasonable magic resistance, casters can easily overwhelm my defenses. So I feel like ill get absolutely btfo once I start clearing the prides, especially the southern one with the necromancers which I fucking hate due to how op they are.
>>552340543Casters really aren't that bad, it's rogues that you should be afraid of. They can just apply a billion bleed/poison damage on you while disarming/garotting which prevent you from doing anything at all.You can play a "safe" Stone Warden by going staff and learn the Stone category. It feels weird but it works, you can just Earthquake people to death while your Elemental Split summons shit on the enemies. This is also a lot safer for your summons since while they technically take damage from Earthquake, you get more freedom in positioning the spell unlike say Eldritch Slam.
>Almost got softlocked by the game glitching out due to lag and allowing me to travel on a normally unreachable landmass when travelling to scintillating cave to clear bosslol lmao, this fucking game I swear to god.
>>552293540>Not really seeing the problemThe problem is that grinding off doom is tedious as fuck, and you don't want banes because they are 1000x worse than getting mutated by an OoF on account of mutation pots not working. There is no defense against doom aside from leaving and coming back later, and that makes the game less fun than if they never added that shit to the game.
>>552320957Brogue has several irritating flaws that prevent me from playing it.>You have to turn all the graphics ad effects off to see lighting and your stealth radius.>Minion AI is far too random and uncontrollable to be as large a part of the game as it is.>Searching for hidden doors and traps is just unpleasant and disruptive and as the game goes on becomes either tedious or pointless, never fun or interesting.>Not having any real choice over what tools you'll have in a run without seed scumming in order to make the game more varied paradoxically makes it more monotonous instead as you can never reliably combine rare resources and are thus essentially forced to take whatever is the most obvious direct benefit immediately>Vaults while neat in concept become boring and repetitive since you essentially have to always find and open all of them in every run if you want to surviveThere's just not quite enough combinatorial mastery involved and a little too much slot machine god-seed easy mode vs shit-seed auto-fail.It's also a little too long and slow paced, especially at the start with the first ten levels being basically impossible to lose unless you get gigafucked by RNG or fault hardcore.
How do you make cata end game fun?I always quit shortly after hitting autum/winter which is around where I hit that point where there's no reason to visit most locations and even with mods in cbn adding new locations with new high end loot it's still just go to high end loot location and kill a bunch of stuff just for 1 rng roll for something that makes killing the next bunch of stuff easier to get to the next rbg loot roll faster.
is there a good party-based roguelike out there?
>>552361795I'm pretty sure you just described every sandbox game in existence.
>>552369393Demon is a roguelike about recruiting demonsNetwork defender builds a party of 4 and just shoot shit upYou can summon a lot of stuff in tome4I'm making one
>>552361795>cata>endgameAnon, I...Ask yourself what could make your character more comfy.If you're maximum comfy, that's it, you won.Or, alternatively, go throw a nuclear bomb into a lab finale portal.I think it's supposed to be a particular type of bomb? The one that's really expensive to print?You'll figure it out
>>552370761Mininuke.You can also throw your character in, which wins the game but kills your character. Which is as good a way as any to end a run you are getting bored with.
bros... http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2ghSPV7q6M
>>552370761>If you're maximum comfy, that's it, you won.But it's too easy to obtain maximum comfy.maximum confy is a battery powered vtol that can vt with ~1000lbs of loot, which lets you ignore 99% of the game unless you intentionally decide to interact with it and can be achieved in the first in-game week if you get lucky.Which is why I avoid it until end game.
>>552375237>vnigger>reacting to another vnigger>who's talking about her daily life>and how her hobby is she likes jerking off >and how she's being "victimized" for itMaybe the muslims have a point.
>>552375878What is an Islam-compatible roguelike?
>>552375930
>>552375878"gooning" is now mainstream because sad lonely internet people cope with their issues with chronic masturbation and porn addiction, women are bandwagoners and have always been the worst possible perverts on the internet since the vast majority of men online that aren't rakesh just wants to fuck and snuggle and not get raped by spiders until they become a breeding sow for insectsNow simps have given them even more reason to be their horrifying self and say it's empowering.Someone has to take the blame.
>>552375237>>552375878>>552376828I don't get this progressive need to go to places they hate to then complain about the thing they don't like exists rather than just ignoring it and living your life than pretending your some sort of freedom fighter or doer of good.
>>552377073>progressivedumb fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
>>552377304It is a progressive behavior, notice how conservatives just did basically nothing but live their lives and vote and they managed to get a bill that bans gender changing surgery on kids. Yet you can't go anywhere on the internet without some left leaning weirdo with too much time on their hands trying to patrol what people do and thing on their own personal time.
>>552377462>a basic brain construct is a progressive behaviorgreat job, you did it again.
>>552377530It is because a lot of conservatism is based off of "I'm free, productive, and I want to be left alone" while progressiveness is about "I'm safe in a group, I'm productive only for the group, and the group must have consensus."
>>552377626*sips*
>>552377824If your little psuedo video was true, conservatives would be doing the same but they don't.
>>552377931>psuedo videoYou mean it's not a video?
>>552377304This is just explaining the concept of memes.
>>552377462>people who align with my views would never do the bad thingAre you really gonna ignore the past decade+ of /pol/tards barging into countless threads on every board, just to shit all over things they don't like?
>>552382482Essentially.
>>552382829Weird how that only became a problem when /leftypol/ broke containment and started influencing other boards to the point that /pol/ themselves started doing it.
>Deploy looted combat mech in quasimorph>Gets scuffed in battle>Now how do I heal this thing?>Give it bottled water>Actually healsProbably the nanomachines in the water
>>552382829the /pol/tard has been banned 109 times, but it's never his own fault.
>>552126000Trips of disappointment
I have no idea what I'm doing
>>552389435Dying apparently.
>>552386249cool biased narrative bro
>>552389435How is that game, anyways? Worth picking up for ten bucks?
>>552391452Maybe? It has a focus on stealth so that's a plus for meI only died 2 or 3 times with the basic class so I don't have an opinion yetIt's a new real roguelike at least
>>551497940How do you play cursed?
I think I'm supposed to kill a boss, but I have no fucking clue who it is. Maybe it's this purple guy, haven't seen another monster like him, idk. I wasted a ton of fatigue exploring every tile of this level looking for the exit.
>>552390320Too bad I trusted my lying eyes, also proves you don't know what you're talking about. If /leftypol/ never formed or at least never raided /pol/ you wouldn't be whining about it now.
>>552402538Is this Qud?
>>552402538WewI lied, I missed the one fucking tile with the stairs >>552404336Anon pls
>>552382829>He never realized most of them were false flagging shillsAlso sporadic offtopic tengent =/= raid
>>552404756>Anon plsWeird name for a game...
>>552404756I know what class I'm playing next...It's kind of easy after the first floors, I can just stealth past basically anything and my inventory is full cause I never have to use consumables But it's supposed to be the noob class so
>>552401429Quest in Lumberjack Village.
>>552413523I found Shinobi and Monk were by far the strongest classes.
lolz, my post got removed.
>>552420323but i assumed you'd miss like you always do
>use-id a random pill cause full inventory >take a few steps without realising I'm dying of poison Own faulted again
>>552420056AmazingThey should make a captcha of this shit
I searched every room in this lab, and then spawned a clairvoyance artifact to search them again. I'm pretty sure the console just isn't there.Can I debug spawn the files somehow?
>>552429932based
>>552430198speck on the burning ciggy tip
>>552428480Debug->(m)ap->(M)ap editor->(e)dit terrainDo / and type in console, select the non-broken one, move your pointer to an open tile and press enter. If you're on the right map tile it should work.
>>552432583Is the right map tile supposed to be the one with the red '*'? That's on the surface, and placing a console there doesn't work. Doesn't display anything coherent. Neither does on the tile below, or two tiles below.The console for the previous quest did spawn, and it was one tile down and one to the south of the entrance, but that doesn't work here either.
>>552440143YOU'LL BE HECKING POOPIE FLOOPIED
>>552439942Huh, I thought it had to be on the tile with the *, but I guess that just shows the entrance for labs. I'm sure I got this to work once, though it would be many years ago now, and I think it was a surface building instead of a lab
Getting increasingly efficient at speedrunning to my death
>>552443654Sometimes the * has shown a specific room in a lab, but not this time.Guess I'm fucked. It's too bad, since I've seen the Vault, and I think doing the doctor's questline is required to interact with the people there.Maybe I'll find some way to export my character to a new world to try that again.
>>552444359True roguelike experience
>>552401429You don't, arguably the worst class in the game.
>>552453334wut did they get changed?I remember cursed was pretty strong, as long as you could manage the equipment minigame
>>552454252That is kinda irrelevant since you are more or less just a worse version of Bulwark, the second worst class in the game.You're a melee fighter with a resource that constantly drains itself (net negative vs trash mobs), terrible defense (negative healmod, % chance to ignore damage from the shield sustain is very unreliable compared to damage mitigation), unreliable damage (bulwark as a whole does more damage due to the counterstrike mechanic)It is borderline playable in every aspect but there is very little to no point. Even the item mechanic is just another RNG layer that gets in the class' way.(Doomed is a significantly better afflicted class, it doesn't have the resource management issue)
>>552454835I remember having fun on it and just messing around, idk what you're talking about. This was ages ago so maybe it got nerfed, but it didn't feel like the weakest class or anywhere close to it (I think it was alchemist).
As long as you can find one no death, highest difficulty playthrough on YouTube, it's viable and nothing else matters.
>>552456217All weapon classes got nerfed due to weapon scaling changes, but most of them are still playable.Alchemist is very far from the weakest class, it has this weird infamy from all the forumers regurgitating the same meme but outside of the rough early game it has>range 10+ abilities>real mobility (gem portal)>hard CC (disarm, root)>real damage mitigation (crit immunity)The game is basically steamrolling past lvl 25, something I can't say about most melees since you still have to constantly worry about randboss rogues dealing 3 times your max HP in a single flurry.
Are there any good roguelikes for consoles? I’ve been wanting something good for iOS and the only one I know about is iNetHack, and besides being a bad port, I’m not a fan of NetHack anyways.
>>552458420Maidensnow Eve should work well with a controller, though I don't know how easy it would be to actually run it on a console. It's an RPGMaker game, that should make it pretty portable, right?
>>552147313Did they fix Degrees of Lewdity already so you can play a female with dick? Last time I tried it you could set every npc as woman with dick but for some reason your character couldn't be one.
>lost my lvl 50 shieldwarden to gorbat pride final boss not because he was hard but the twat knocked me back, sending me straight through a hamlet door where both a multihued wyrm and a blinkworm uniques were, whom proceeded to kill me with attrition while the boss didnt even move an inch the entire fightSometimes I wonder why I even play roguelikes, my level of luck is just so abysmal shit like this happens all the time. In retrospect I should just have tp'd out but I thought I could defeat them but blinkworms are cancerous af since physical damage barely do anything to them. Managed to kill the multihued one easily but the twat blinkie just shrugged off all I threw it way until it got a few lucky crits that sent me into the red.
>>552463397>not because he was hard>but because I didn't position carefully>and I didn't use my escape optionsfault
>>552462686What's the difference between a female with a dick and a male in this context? Do you want to be a hermaphrodite?
>>552469209He wants to impregnate himself
I just don't get this game.
>>552472445Should be named Anon.
>>552472445You're supposed to play as a man
>>552472445Pets are stronk, try to toss something edible at them.
>>552490178I don't think you have to worry about any trannies playing NetHack.
I almost felt sorry for the KoMC, thoroughly fisted even before all of his minions died.
>>552440143YES LEE CLEANSEWE HAD A RESIDENT PONYFAG FOR FOOKING YEARS CLEANSE THIS THREAD
>>552490564hi
>>552439942did you check just outside the refugee center front entrance?
>>552451156>the Vaultno, you're required to do the Old Guard's questline for thatyou need to be a US Marshal and then it's the next one after that IIRC
>>552502484you know you can just leave right
>>552502642that's so true ponyposter
>>552502256No, I didn't. Is that a thing that happens?
>>552503228is that why you delete your stuff so you can evade lee?
>>552503827Yes
>>552503228just remember, you're here forever
I'm really enjoying Elona, games like Elona?
>>552516358Maidensnow Eve.
>>552510753Well, I'm already in New Game Plus, but I'll try to remember that next time.
What are some venezuelan roguelikes?
>>552517969Living in Venezuela
This is actually decent.
>>552516358try elin
>>552531054I might but I was wondering if there were any free options before diving into Elin.
So I wad wondering about something in tome4: is it possible to reach the far east as a skele if you never wore the disguise cloak? I'm trying to spice things up a little but I cant help but wonder how im even supposed to do the staff part of the quest if I cant interact with the king, since every npc is hostile and last time I tried I cant interact with the doors in cities. Maybe there is an exception for the king but I dont know.
I grabbed a key for ADOM for under a dollar. What am I in for and why does no one seem to like the sequel?
>>552547136It was taken over by other people apparently
>>552522889what does Storms Coming mean
>>552558783Like you can sense the weather. Not super useful, but a lot better than "screams loudly while it emits pools of acid, radiation, and lag" or some shit.
>>551610715That's not Reddit spacing.This is Reddit spacing.Reddit required a double newline character to emit a single newline.The result is Reddit users using double newlines on 4chan out of habit creating single sentence paragraphs.If there are multiple sentences per paragraph it's not Reddit spacing, it's just correct English formatting. Even if it is Reddit spacing all you achieve by pointing it out is shitting up the thread even worse than the Reddit user with a meaningless post.
I've always played on trunk but today I went back to 0.33.
>>552568850trunk?
>>552567924Take a look at those sentences again and tell me how many periods you see.
>>552567924>reddit spacing
>>552563775that's okay, yeahhow are the defensive stats? it does require giving up your head slot which is kind of terrible if it doesn't have 100% coveragethe best artifacts are jewelry with clairvoyance and a negative that won't cause you to fault from wearing it briefly
>>552581360Dunno, I'm not that anon
>>552569402Trunk is the latest build of DCSS. "Stable" releases are called branches and their own version number- .32, .33, .34, etcYou get to play with new experimental stuff in Trunk but there's imbalance or bugs sometimes and some of the stuff you get used to might not make it past the next patch, let alone into the stable version.Anon finally got upsetti about whichever change they did and wants to go back to a version he liked.
>>552583649Oh you mean the master.
>>552588354it has been called Trunk for two decades, it predates Woke and the Master/Slave branch controversy
Which is better?
>>552589343for what purpose?standard armor or power armor?molle pack, hiking pack, or survivor harness?
>>552589343Good question. The flechette has decent armor piercing anyways and the 4x auto is probably better in a lot of cases.But if you're trying to take down harder targets you're going to want the higher damage/penetration I think. You're already at a 2:1 disadvantage per boolet and not only will you chew through ammo but higher armor targets will have a longer TTK
>>552590728if he was worried about that he'd bring a bigger gun and not a pistolthe IDW has 4x more ammo than the stupid rifle caliber pistol and enough armor penetration for the very toughest enemies, and less recoil which means faster firingI think the SPIW or scout rifle is better than both but I'd take the IDW in this case
>>552589241>Master/slave controversyOh fuck why did you have to remind me of this retardation.
>>552592606
>>552591172IDW fits into a normal holster, which is a nice bonus.
>>552594463>normal holsterI'm a big fan of any gun that can fit into the concealment holster, which has zero encumbrance for backup purposesmain weapons can just go into either a survivor harness or a molle pack, depending on how many I feel like carrying and their size
>>552592764Wait you arent talking about how retards started to screech blue murder over coding using master/slave terminology to keep track of logic because it was le insensitive? Sorry I guess I jumped to conclusions.
>>552547136>What am I in forAn amazing roguelike>and why does no one seem to like the sequel?because it's a half-backed piece of dogshit
>>552595868no I was, I just think that screeching retards is very funny because it doesn't impact me directly
>>552588354master is implied to be meant for stable and finalized code onlytrunk is meant for code in-development that is being managed in such a way it doesn't brick productionthose are different philosophies.
I have stopped naming my branches master/slave a long time ago. Now I call them breaker/buck
No one non-retarded has ever named a branch "slave". It never was a part of git convention.
>>552599430kek i was about to say that
alright rlgworm girl is a fucking tranny rightthere's no fucking way anyone would think that CDDA's only problem is exodii and the lack of bionics
>>552605572It's what I've been told.
>>552589241>>552592606>>552595868I'd hesitate to call it a "controversy," so much as a very small group of online idiots, which i guess would include Gitlab switching the default repo setup from "master" to "main" in a dumb attempt to get attention by virtue signaling to those idiots
Anons, I'm kind of a normalfagthe only two roguelikes I played are that game where you start in a dark cabin and slowly create a village, then kill guys in villages and towns, then aliensthe other one is DoomRL in 3D, Jupiter Hell.Now, would you say it's worth it for me to buy caves of qud? Is it good?
>>552610126I think you should pirate Caves of Qudit's good, but not as good as Cogmind or Sil
2026 will be my year brosI can feel it. My run is gonna end here.
>>552558783It literally causes rainstorms.>>552581360It is a "helm" only in name, it actually covers nothing. Basically just +4 dex in exchange for having to carry this thing around.
>>552589343The IDW, definitely. The higher damage of 8x40 caseless can't compete with the sheer volume of bullets you can dump at enemies with autofire. And since enemies need to get close to you to attack, the 18 extra range also gives you more time to dump bullets at enemies.
>>552613369On the other hand, I used to one-shot Chicken Walkers with my Rivtech 8x40mm pistol for fun
>>552610126Yeah, it's pretty good. A lot more complex than DoomRL. Less focused. DoomRL has one thing and it does it well, Qud has a lot of things. I haven't played the other one.If that sounds interesting to you, you should also try Cataclysm: Bright Nights.
>>552612573>covers nothingweird, I've definitely had a helm and a cloak that occupied the head and torso slotsthey were shit
>>552617103I've had stuff that has had negative encumbrance before.
>>552618416I miss when tennis shoes had like negative 13 encumbrance (they had -1 encumbrance in the old system where the numbers mattered 10x more than they do now)
>>552623057>shoes>make it easier to walkUnrealistic, everyone knows shoes hurt my fat lard piggy toes when I squeeze my ham hocks into them, next question
cddai cannot find anywhere what these are gonna result in, anyone know? or the nomad shit. do i just need to make nomad something and bring it to her?
>>552634951of course. after days of searching, as soon as i ask i think i found it. welp, whats the better option. just nomad chainmail so im not super encumbered? all i have is hub armor or riot armor otherwise
>>552635579Looking at the numbers, nomad light plate has 17 encumbrance on the torso and 10 on the limbs, while nomad chain has 16 torso 14 limbs. Nomad medium plate is 22 torso 15 limbs, and heavy plate is 27 torso 20 limbs.I can't see the armour values since I'm just reading the json, and they're calculated from the material thickness. But yeah, chain somehow has worse encumbrance on the limbs than light plate, so maybe light plate is the winner here.
>>552639965huh? hitchhikers has thishttps://cdda-guide.nornagon.net/item/armor_nomad_chainmailhttps://cdda-guide.nornagon.net/item/armor_nomad_lightplatei thought this read from the recent json's as well, and this says the encum for chain is way lower
also random thing: you can lure enemies to the entrance of the exodii base, they have turrets on the second story overlooking and will blast everything, so far not hitting me along the way. pretty handy.
>>552641540I'm reading this https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/master/data/json/items/armor/suits_protection.json and I think the problem is the json has the poor fit numbers.
This might be one of the most silly implants I've found yetFor what purpose?
Oh nice, I've never seen this one before
>>552645335Seems like you put it in someone's head and make them explode.
Oh shit, I've never seen this one before
>>552646308Nice, I want one!>>552647574Those and the xenotechs are ones to watch out for.
>>552645335They're on prisoner conscripts used by the private prison company. Obviously they are hoping it explodes and kills you while not killing their expensive elite troops.
Is CDDA still shit where they make it more tedious instead of more interesting? I wanna play again, is Bright Nights still a thing?
There is only one Qud, you shall have no other Quds before me
>>552654918>is Bright Nights still a thing?Yes.
Hmm...
>>552660061That's quite the mess.
>>552654918There's a weird fork on steam too. Last generation ?
>>552646308"Pyoohr Kee-no ahnon"Keep a lookout for the windpowered generator CBM as well- Windspeed picks up rapidly as you go up, so depending on how inclement the weather is you can indefinitely sustain flight/movement at 3-7 (and pretty much always at the ceiling).Even without abusing that you can feather it to hop up to windows and roofs- Even deconstruct vents like at augmentation clinics (you don't fall till construction is over ecksdee)
Cogmind.
I tried playing a kunoichi in shadowed, and Im constantly dying. Now it feels like a proper roguelike experience.
breath
>>552646308Totally worth all the dissections have had to do.
>>552116890First nail was the dwarf remove. Once I saw that, I knew the devs sucked cocks and that it was going to shit. Big surprise, it went to shit.
>>552672135TLG dev is sadly just as obnoxious and tedium-for-tedium's'sake obsessed as Kevin is. "Her" (let's face it, there's like 99,99% chance it's a tranny, actual women autistic enough to dev for obscure roguelikes are an extreme outlier) idiosynchratic ideas just clashed with the fat fuck.
>>552426573One of the few RL I enjoyed in recent times…
>>552404756>>552413523>>552426573I want to go back to Shadowed, but I forgot about the gameplay loop and important stats. Give me a Qrd pls
>>552596201>An amazing roguelikeAdom was amazing roguelike about two decades ago. The guy went all in on eliminating any and all emergent gameplay since then. You can't make teleport trap 'highways' anymore as trap order isn't a thing anymore, you can't tame the big room any more, and speaking about big room the game of life minigame for herb farming got essentially sidestepped as now every 80IQ retard player can just grind infinite herb seeds.
>>552693840where can we download the latest best adom?
>>552693675I don't know, I just try to stealth through every level while grabbing enough xp. I finally reached the first boss after 10 attempts with kunoichi and died in 2 turns
>>552691836are you retarded
>>552702350nta but he's not wrongTLG is terribleif you like TLG you probably somewhat like modern DDA too lol
>>552702350and wormgirl has a series on youtube where you clearly can tell she's a girl (female)
>>552644795ah, i seealso who the fuck designed this apartment complex. the front door goes right into the kitchen?
>>552704104What tileset?
>>552704352uhh, thought it was the default? its altica
>>552690874do you not have the bionic detector
>>552691362I knew when they removed sludge elves
for those on the latest cdda branch, they must of seriously upped martial arts book drops. in just one town of like, 9 buildings ive found 3 different manuals for martial arts
Wrathroot got me down to like 7 health and I managed to beat it without proccing the Blood of Life that I panicked used near the end but now I feel like that was a very undeserved win
Does anyone know what's going on with the fallout new England and expansion mods of bright nights? They don't work now and I remember them not working in 0.8 either.
>>552706418Too bad melee sucks hard in CDDA just like the rest of CDDA
>>552710705skill issue
>>552711135Objectively false, they've been nerfing melee for years now. But only autistic dummies are still playing DDA, so I can't say I'm surprised.
>>552710705>>552715476What game properly balances melee vs ranged vs magic (or the equivalent)?
>>552718127>properlyYou'd have to define that first. But Bright Nights at least makes melee worthwhile, as opposed to DDA where it's a mistake to invest in instead of training firearms.
>>552718943All options being equally viable as a path to victory.
>>552707661Uuu using the items the game gives you is cheating uuu
Long shot, but I remember some anons put together a pretty big portrait pack for Elin like two years ago and stuck it in a google drive; considering how there evidently aren't Elin generals anymore, I was wondering if anyone here has it or something similar.
Would BNs benefit from the option of having a global clock?A count down to the world ending if you don't beat the game?If so, on by default?
>>552729018/jp/ still has an elin thread up but if you find it post it here>>552729346no
>>552729405No to both?Could you tell me why you think that?
>>552715476okay, i guess ill keep doing what is apparently impossible lmao
>>552729697optimizing for game time passing is an incredibly unfun way to play cataclysm lol, because it comes down to kiting with a spear and not crafting anything
>>552729825>apparently impossibleLiiterally nobody said that. You're holding up the tail end of the "autistic retard" epithet pretty well with that, anon
>>552731304so...then whats the complaint. you cant kungfu a 12 foot tall Kevlar infused undead monster easily?>autisticm8, your in a thread about roguelikes. arguing that one of them has somehow bad melee mechanics. we dont care about autism here. we just care if you suck
>>552731826
>>552729935I honestly can't see you kiting your way through all the stuff there.Not without some armour, someway to deal with shockers and the stuff in the final room.
>>552732293yeah, supposed i could of just posted that instead of my post, it sums up what i was saying to ya
>>552705349I do but I'm also gathering superalloy.
>got a yeast infection of my dick that's been itching since yesterdayAny roguelikes for this feel?
>>552736451Caves of Qud
>>552737464I don't think he's going to cut it though he probably should
>>552732391>shockersgun>the stuff in the final room5.56 that drops from stabbing enough soldier zombies in the face>can't see kiting workingquick, parkour expert, road runner and you can outrun basically everything except predators and hunters, and those you just shoot
>>552734938the only reliable source of superalloy I've found is taking secubots apart
>>552739093So... not kiting with a spear then.
>>552740068kiting 90% of everything and then shooting the things you can't stab to death is really really boring
>>552739093>>552740268Also isn't road runner an actual mutation?Flying polyp btw? speed of 280.Hunting horrors are fast too.And there are the shoggs you are going to have to get past.This is all assuming that you won't run into any evolved zombies either.
>>552740973those enemies do not exist lmao
>>552741208you stupid motherfucker. Shut up.Shut. up.Stop posting.You do not have the mental capacity to post here.
>>552741330no you faggotyou're the one talking about adding a doomsday clock to the completely unhinted secret interaction with the portal room in the basement of the Central Lab that literally zero NPCs or consoles mention at any point and that we only know about because we've been passing the knowledge around among ourselves
>>552741952Actually I was talking about that, not him and I was talking about adding it as an option.Now explain why you are even speaking on the subject when you know nothing about the game apparently. Since Polyp, horrors and Shoggs have been in the game for years before there was even a split between DDA and BNs.>completely unhinted secret interaction with the portal room in the basement of the Central LabYou realise that can be changed, right?
>>552742206He is a stupid motherfucker. Probably plays DDA. Don't acknowledge its exisence.
>>552742206>Polyp, horrors and Shoggsyou know what else is in the game? Shia LaBeouf and the Thrillerthose enemies do NOT exist in the course of a normal playthrough
>>552744401they spawn at portals randomly in the overmap, have a vision radius less than 60, and can be completely and safely ignored
>>552743231You mean esoteric places like in labs and research facilities? Or basically anywhere a portal spawns.But perhaps those areas are too secret for you, maybe if you spend less time diddling with your spear and more time actually playing you'll have found them.>>552744513So can be found anywhere, got ya.Are you going to stop embarrassing yourself or do you want to fetch an entrenching tool so you can dig a little deeper?
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every time
>>552744927oh no its a poltard. condolences whoevers arguing with this guy
My penis is a roguelike
In quasimorph, does the vendor of the item chip determine a different pool of what it could be?I have bought like over 40 item chips from everyone willing to trade to me and the only thing I've been getting are the same 3 basic fucking shit ass guns on repeat nonstop and nothing useful
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BOOKS NOW IN CDDA. ITS BASICALLY UNLIMITED MONEY FOR THE VENDORS
>>552744927I agree but this also isn't the place to discuss it, much like how you don't bring up politics at family dinners.
>>552745546He's more the resident sperg that for some reason thinks its fun to insult and overreact to everything then cries about it when people tell him to chill out or "This is 4chan" while thinking all of 4chan is /b/.He is probably the single highest produce of reddit-like comments in this general.
>>552758238oh yeah im pretty sure ive already talked earlier with him, im willing to bet hes the one who brought up communism to me when i asked about caves of qud alllll the way at the start of this current thread. ah well. he gives himself away really, really fast with the /pol/ buzzwords. its 4chan so whatcha gonna do
>>552759348That was actually me and I do find it funny that avowed Communists refuse to discount their game during a time where you should be giving to people without thinking about money or what you get back.Like come one, just because its political doesn't mean I'm not allowed to point out how funny that is... "We care about the proletariat" my ass.
>>552759598why the fuck would communists celebrate christmas
>>552760027Whats stopping them?
>>552760027Why wouldn't Communists give without receiving? I'd argue that Communism says you should give without the worry of receiving because someone else would give to you. Yet the Champaign Socialists can't part with more than 10% of the profits? Funny how they in the same ways as the people they criticize.
>>552760129>>552760348they literally banned christmas as being a waste of time, saying you should be working because that....that was the gift, to better your fellow man by working and contributing to the common good.taking a day off and buying eachother shit you didnt need is kinda the...opposite of communism. you should be making tools and blankets already.
>>552760571Bro they're not actual eastern block communists.
>>552760571I know, the thing they say they believe they don't, its hilarious.
>>552760762true. whatever thats got to do with the communist ideology in general. so uh. continuing on
>>552760880but...they did a piss poor discount and you called them commies over it. did they or did they not act like commies?
>>552760942>purposefully misunderstanding the argument and concern trollingLast (You), back on topic.
>>552761093yes, back to my original post>why the fuck would communists celebrate christmasto which you said they should celebrate it, despite being commies, and you saying they had a poor understanding of being, despite your original post being how they were being commies for doing a piss poor discount in the first place.now that we are up to speed
>>552761263>>552761093also hold that thought, i finished my sammich so im off to bed, ill catch up on this tommorownight night rlg
>>552761263What roguelike are you playing currently?>>552761331Good night anon, sleep well. Happy Twelfth day of Christmas.
>>552761457cdda becuz im not a pleb. but yeah its 2 am so im out
>>552761605Okay, Happy Twelfth day of Christmas to you as well!
Roguelikes????
>>552761958I recently finished Goldfish on github, was okay, lots of references to other roguelikes as well in it.
>>552757057Clearly the vendors need a realism hammer where they abide by supply and demand.
how do I use the gps pinpointer in Bright Nights?
>>552771440Type in what you want to find, such as lab, and it'll show you the roof of one you already went to.If there's any other use for that or the military one or scouting visor I haven't found it.
>>552760880You'd have a field day hearing their arguments as to why peoples are islamophobic, its hilariously sad and hypocritical.
>>552779853I already tried entering "lab", "trans", "camp", "fema", "hospital" and nothing showed up
Superalloy coating complete.Probably the most stylish ride in the apocalypse now.
>>552790128Where are the testicles?
>sun paladin "bathe in light" talent also affect enemiesWhat the fucking point lmao, you and allies id understand, but why in the name of fuck do it also affect enemies? Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea? Its basically an useless talent because of it.
That jetpack CBM is super useful. Just in and out with the minimum of fighting.>>552791612Too big to show on screen.
>>552796090And for context, this is what is going on below.
>>552792595It is probably the most powerful Sun Paladin talent, brainlet. It's overpowered enough to make SP a class in madness
>>552792595endgame PC has in the thereabouts of 2-4k hp depending on class, final bosses have around 14-16k (on normal), your usual RPG math of numbers being bigger against enemies and getting instakilled by your Inner Demons clone, use every tool in your box when a Solipsist is on screenThere's a meme build where you take Healing Nexus from the Harmony tree or its equivalent in Vile Life that redirects nearby healing to you or converts it into damage
>>552797495Are you sure about that? Because I hardly see how that small regen is good, like I can see that the shield lengtening is good, but the fact it also give it to the enemy kind of defeat the purposes. I think youre mixing it up with the one that send orbs to all enemies in radis, which is pretty good.
>>552801406It is the one>giving enemies regen tooThis hardly matters in the main use case, which is to make you survive. The fact that it heals and shield you at the same time for absurd amount if quite frankly crazy. If you get surrounded, pinned or stunned you can just cast it to buy a lot of time.It also doesn't matter that it heals enemies late game, since your damage output outpaces your shield scaling.There are other "hidden" mechanics that make it viable in Madness too1. Like most SP abilities, it can spell crit. So late game it can give x4 the listed amounts with the proper build.2. Weapon of Light (the damage sustain) has a hidden effect (don't ask me, read the code) that says: when you attack an enemy, you set any shield status effect duration to 2 if it is lower. This means that you can get a sizable shield out of sight, engage enemies in fights, then keep smacking to keep the shield lasting a very long time.3. The madness build utilizes a lot of cooldown reduction to keep Bathe in Light up all the time while attacking from range 10 with a scaled up Wave of Power. Even if you use none of these it's still massively cheesy to use even on Insane, since it allows you to fight while you are stair camped by enemies (keep using Bathe in Light until it spell crits on another floor, get a big shield then use the stair and refresh it with attacks). This separates a lot of doomed runs from winning ones.
>>552790128Nigga, your car looks like a suppository.
>>552805019Thanks for enlightening me
>>552805190That's a blimp, Einstein
>>552805718That's probably why it looks so gay. I'll be peeking from the sewers at your 10-z-levels-high-up-ass and think, "There goes a flying faggot."
>>552808094Stop projecting, you're not even the cool reptilian kind of C.h.u.d., 'cause those aren't in the game, only the gay dancing human ones from the second movie.
>>552761958I like Sil.
So if you find exodii first, then go to the hub, and take the dialogue tree of "you know other people know your here, right", and then rat out exodii to hub, and return to exodii, and tell exodii you visited the hub, it skips ALL the missions required for rubik to turn you into a cyborg. he just gives you the cyborg prompt without the anesthesia quest and shit.didnt know that. i had hub and exodii spawn within 50 tiles of eachother and became cyborg in like 2 hours ingame
dehlike
does latest dwarf fart-ress have the classic UI or a mod to have classic UI yet? i don't own a fucking mouse.
tome4: when a skill reads something like "deal X% weapon damage with both/all weapons" does the offhand penalty still apply? Like do I do 136% + 136% total or 136% + 136% * penalty?
>>552835687The penalty always applies if possible.Note that shields, sawblade and guns do not have offhand penalty (you might still suffer some damage loss from shield since it has no corresponding Mastery if you aren't playing Stonewarden)
>>552759348not everybody is your boogeyman, you know
>>552836475the literal next post is him saying it was him
>>552836794kek
>>552837009there was this thread years ago where it was completely dead but had made it to 400 posts, and someone was just making replies and we started calculating how quickly they were making it throught the thread>okay so this replies 30 posts further, took him 20 minutes, and this post is 50 posts further that he replied to, took him 35 mins, so-when he finally made it we were all like "YEAAH YOUR HERE!"lel that was a fun thread. thanks for reading my blog
>>552835995Thank you
>>552786817it's a very small radius
>>552833584nobuy a mouse, they're like $20
>>552836794no, there's at least three anons in this conversation at this point>>552837276hiam I the only person who actually reads the thread and replies as he goes along lmao
>>552844413well the problem is later posts had answered or revealed things that the poster was asking about. so it was like>what the fuck is that? whats that in the corner of the picture!?and us other posters, who knew that like 40 posts later that another picture would be revealed, were watching him go alongwe were basically having a conversation about what we thought his reaction would be, as we waited for him to catch up to us
>>552844413>am I the only person who actually reads the thread and replies as he goes along lmaoNope, I do it too
>>552847181What kind of roguelike would MLK enjoy
>>552847181hell yeah
Worst lab ever, of all time.
>>552863171is this the one that always spawns with the antsfucking hate the ants lab
>>552865729Yes, but the worst bit is that it's a single floor with a single room with a single CBM vault attached.That's it. What you see right there.
>>552866945>>552866945>>552866945>>552866945
>>552866507I don't think it's always like that but I hated it so much I don't really remember
