The Nightmare is Ongoing..>>551984782>Roadmap Streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsCuVfILlh4 >Dev notes 12/20https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11551068>Useful Links and Resourceshttps://rentry.org/xtb66f3ihttps://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/combatant>Current Featured Banner>>>[***LIMITED***]<<<Sereniel - Instinct - Hunter | Starts Dec24 >Upcoming Featured BannersNarja | Starts Jan14Nine | Starts Feb4Tiphera | Starts Feb25>Current/Upcoming EventsGalactic Disaster - Forbidden Catalysts - Season 1 | Ends Jan13The Great Rift - Season 1 Phase 1 | Ends Dec24Chasing the Star's Trajectory - Login Event | 21-day check-in | Ends Jan13>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?Check the Rentryhttps://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculatorhttps://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculator
rei is cute
What's a good team for Rift side A?The hitcount limit turbocucks Mei Lin and I don't know what else to useAnyone care to give me some ideas on who to build?
>>552070656she's going to be violated by slopa somedayand i'm looking forward to it
I need any and all Amir art as a late Christmas present
>>552070934perfect amount
>>552071087
The prices in the Blackhorn shop either need to go down or the amount of crystals we get per run needs to go up.
are you fucking serious game?
So can we save the omni thingy for future characters or just up until sereniel? Not sure if I want to use it now for m2 or save for it narja
can I finally beat Judas?
>>552072069>Wanderer of the voidYes, slap that shit on when he goes to 2nd phase and rape him with Sereniel
pewpewpew
>>552070972Tressa shadow reload with mika + rei/hugo/whoever
>>552070918omg rei hai
>>552070912need these hoes bouncing on my bbc ngl
Free from the gear mines
>>552070656HOPECHAAAAAAAAAAAAADS
Would Sereniel Rei Nia be a good team? Rei is very cute and I want to build her
>>552073687Why not Sereniel Cassius Rei
I hate this game i hate smilegate and i hate all the goddamn titty monster hagsthis is a crime against humanity, I demand justice, someone get the smilegate cunts in charge and force them at truck point to make more cunnies playable
>>552074235If you want playable cunny then you have to go to JP gachas, chink gachas in general hate loli.
Selena's purpose is recharging the enemy's tenacity, right? So isn't the new 4-set not good for Sereniel because they won't be ravaged?
>>552074535smilegate is gook nor chinkand hoyocunt has some cute lolisor at least smaller flatties. all this game's had so far is fucking titty hag monsters
>>552073952Well Cassius is not cute (and I don't have him)
cassius's ego skill creeps me out because of his hands. If it was a girl it'd be hot but cause its a filthy male robot it looks creepy like he's reaching out to violate me
>>552074675It only takes 3x laser + 3x triple 0 to ravage the boss, so most of your lasers will still be hitting while ravaged. I'm not sure about the exact math but my guess is 2/2/2 and 4/2 are going to be pretty close in terms of damage. Use whatever you have the best stats on imo.
>>552074827>and hoyocunt has some cute lolisThey're all bait, they do some loli of the year character that is turbodogshit then the rest of the year is hags and fags (+furries if ZZZ).The other alternative imageboard I can't mention has a thread for loli games, otherwise you'll have to look for them yourself since 4chan and gacha in general is very antiloli these days.
>>552075264>4chan and gacha in general is very antiloli these days.only the mentally ill discord raidersjust go to non normie threads and tell every normie you meet to kill themselves.hoyo has a decent amount, shame they've put all the good designed ones in czn as partners waste of good designs
welp
If I'm going to try to get a Nia deck, should I do Veronica+Sereniel or Mika+Sereniel?
Is it worth just hitting dimensional portalsduring codex runs
>>552075880veronica imo extra damage is nice but also veronica/nia is the best deck thinner duo, you don't need ap as much since sereniel gets you one on every break.
>>552073687yes as long as you finish before you need healing
>>552071283dudeif i had a gf who looks like thatmy goodness
I need those Nia buffs like yesterdayI'm so sick and tired of using Mika everywhere and Nia is way cuter
>>552073687I got 1M with sere, selena and reiDon't expect more than that thoughI think you do kinda need selena because the ravage recharge just adds too much damageFor Rei get 3 copies of snack, the skill that boosts 1 or less cards, and the 150% damage card to use it with cobalt
>>552075140he is sinisterly stylish. i like his cyborg joker style.
>our first doujin is gangbang ntr mindbreakKINO
>>552077231mmm good choice on victim too, rei or thressa would be so niceMika feels like a secret sadist and renoa is too jaded and coolheaded to be too emotional during rape.
i want more pulls, if not another selector per mail! now! only kayron and orlea are missing. i want to complete my combatant collection and i want it NOW! director, apologize another time, this time with a selector, you greedy and lying nigger fucker!
>>552077231get fucked renoa
>This Shining CoreThere's always something bricking the run huh
i'm so tired
>>552072875>judgements flames and not growth instinctno one tell him his little heart cant take it
>>552077698that's a lot of work indeed. ez game with tressa cassius mika tho. just treadmill stuff.
https://czn-calc.vercel.app/oh thank god the better calculator is back so much less gutter and loading
>>552077957>growth instinctthat set sucks more than the average thread quality here
>>552077957>don't use the set made for sereniel use the bricky filler set that no one uses.why you trying to brick your bros
>>552078256>makes your artifact completely useless in your pathlmao nothing personal
>>552078256>>552078747>>552078754
>>552077231Nice, I was really looking forward to lots of mindbreak rape art when this game released. It’s a pity it didn’t take off in the art department.
>>552078953You go 2+2+2 on the singular stage you're using Selena and not Judgement flames then instead of farming an absolute dogshit set???
>>552078953holy fucking retard
>>552078953how does that change anything? you're rebreaking them to recharge your lasers anyways.
Still never gonna run soulless 2/2/2 sloppa
Am I supposed to only run the current Event Chaos? It's really really boring
>rather farm the worst 4pc in the game instead of farming actually good 2pc sets that every character in the game usesbased retard
>>552080281Only until you've maxed out progress for the week
>>552080281You only need to do Lab0 until you're 8000/8000Then unironically be yourself and do whatever the fuck you want
Which one of these on Sereniel?I can't figure out how Eternal Hunger is supposed to work without Nia
I got Kayron'd off beginner banner, he worth using?
>>552080281You only "need" to run it twice. If you're going for the leaderboard, you can run City of Mist for Sereniel and Cassius.
>>552080281you will run that dungeon until you die of old age and you will enjoy it
>>552080887Guides and shit I've found say Portrait is nice on Sereniel and a lot of top rankers are using it too but personally I prefer VIOLENCE
>>552080887Hunger and try to get the precision aim neutral card from delang's shop. Lets her cycle the effect on her own.
>>552080887portrait of fury imo, sereniel could really use the card draw and it still does decent tenacity damage if she has her buff up. I'd prob take that over any of the other forbidden cards for her
>>552081218You want hunger on your support, not your DPS.
>>552080887You use it with that card that draws and puts a card from your hand on your deck. You need to unlock it first in the yellow chaos.I prefer right on Sereniel since she doesn't have much save data space to run neutrals. You could also take left and buy the neutrals on Selena later.
is the tier 14 a joke or something?
>>552081367Why not get 3 hungers if you can?
still waiting for monster rape doujins for yuki until she becomes a lovable pet dog and loses her smugness
>>552081957it's like under 1% to get and then you just never finish the 3rd bossat least that's the legend the wise men pass down
>>552081971Because Sereniel wants every single point of savedata for her own dupes and epiphanies so you can't afford to waste 30 on a card your support should be holding when she can get Portrait or Violence instead
>>552082095Always reset the run if you don't get access to the third area, indeed.
>>552082158you don't use up all your save data unless ur a monster card whore
>>552082353>you don't use up all your save databro............
>>552082158Sereniel barely even has trouble capping out.
>>552082528oh no... are you expecting? I hope it's cute
>>552076736Will they actually buff 4*s?
>>552082674Yes, it's in the patchnotes.>Nia, Rei, Orlea, and Cassius will receive a buff to their healing cards
>>552082832good fuck mika
>>552082674If we use Smilegate other game as benchmark then yes. They also love making op character crippled. In short Smilegate doesn't know how to balance their games
How are you supposed to farm Selena decks? Veronica isn't enough to dogwalk her on higher difficulties but then Sereniel and Mika eat up her dupes and epiphanies.
>>552082869>good fuck mikaShe's hoping for that
>meta leaderboard strat now is to have all 3 equip yuri to have more chances to extend triple 0 turnsPekocucks in shambles
>>552083171I used Mei Lin since she has a unique, though Mika might be better depending on the run modifiers. Either way, it's not exactly easy.
>>552083171>run Sereniel/Mika>get luckybasically
>>552083171use haru or yuki or chizuru to carry
Are you gonna roll for Narja, Nine, or Tiphera, or all of them
Any must get partners bros? I have Peko. Is Chizuru's partner worth grabbing?
we need a new God for the divine Retain epi
>>552084632Those 3 have lots of uniques?
>>552076736So don't use Mika?>>552077231Based
>>552084983save for now3*s (and some 4*s) are stronger or just as good as 5*s
>>552084823Tiphera if she's not a brickRest skip
>>552084823Narja only.
>>552084823I'm summoning every character so yes
>>552085103You're really not going to find a better character than Sereniel to carry with. Just luckshit her unique core and keep whatever laser, that should be plenty.
Hugo is such a dogshit character
>>552084823Tiphera, maybe give one 50/50 to Nine.
>>552085896Sorry I meant Rin, mb
>>552084823Based solely on design, Tiphera. But I have to see the gameplay too.
>>552075140Hade ni ikou ka ne
>>552086123No, I meant Hugo you retarded furry cuck
>>552086551why has no one made a webm of his ego skill
>>552086123Me again, can confirm
>>552086795stop killing my boner i just want to see terrified girls being grabbed and violated.
>>552087279THE GOAT
>>552086795Pretty sure it's out there somewhere
Is this the legendary tier 14 map?
>>552087695
>>552087695After my only t15 I still have not found another one, so to any anons with one make sure to get all the 0 cards deck first before making anything else
Thought I'd be okay just restarting over and over to get the right quest, but fuck this bullshit. Not worth having to kill the first phase over and over in hopes of it hitting on top of getting the right initial starting hand.
>>552088485How high do you even need to go for a T15?
I'm really looking forward to the healer buffs just so I don't have to deal with this gigantic brick ever again
>>552088950At least that's the best one to get
Should I build attack on my Rei for those last potentials?
>>552089321>>552088950Here's your divine epiphany bro!
>>552088653FYI you can savescum the random quest with the undo last action protos skill>popper>quest you don't want>undo last action>play any card>popper again>new quest/czn/ will pretend this doesn't work but it does
>>552089616Just get lucky, bro.
there is one way to nerf the fuck out of the healing tressa build: just make it so you get daggers only when you actually heal, like with stress
>>552088653Wow, that's a crazy deck but also very unfortunate.
>>552089678That's still not good enough to play.
>>552089678That's the luckiest possible epiphany and it's still putrid dogshit. Meanwhile Nia and Rei don't have worthless dead cards like that so you can have all good cards if you hit all the right epiphanies
>>552089739Yeah bro just make it so the armor that deals you damage is MANDATORY ontop of already being good for the buildfucking moron
>>552089992it's too op bro
>>552089739Retard. The way to nerf Tressa is to make it [Unique]. Or rework it entirely. I don't even think she needs to be nerfed though honestly.
Which one bros?
>>552090262<
>>552090262mid
>>552089362I think Sereniel and Rei make for a perfect dog walking duo now that I'm playing with them. Even better if E2 and E2 or E6 respectively. Into the trash MIka goes.
>>552090554nta, but can you explain how to dog walk with this comp?
>>552090695nta too but just spam everything on sereniel, buff with rei and her e6 +20% dmg helps too, find everything you need with cassius
>>552090801ok thx bro. i still don't have rei's e6...
Apologize.
>>552090971Selena's going back into the whorehouse after rift ends tho
Does Cassius typically solo sustain? Mine's still e0, so idk if I should even use him...
>>552090971https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/138986811
>>552087695>add 8 elite areasDoesn’t this come at the cost of ? Areas making it even more rng?
is this game ai art?
what's a good team to farm a tressa build?
>ZZZ>Good designs>Characters that get introduced properly>Each one unique and memorable>Czn>Kind of bland designs>Characters are just there>Nothing uniqueOne of the major failures of czn is how they tackled the characters. Story assumes we know these guys and expects us to automatically care about them
>>552091617>>552091432awww shit its already time for the raid?ping me on discord next time bwos
Stop saying my account is bricked, retards
>>552091617i'd care more about them if they let me play the character i actually want instead of this partner bullshit.
>
>ZZZcuck is backReminder that CZN beat ZZZ last round of the shitpost charts and that literally no one actually cares other than (You)
Is Rei E2 going to activate Infection or can you bring her without issues?
a normal day on the Asia serverhttps://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11aiPBCEwg/
>Littered with NTR>AI character designs>Sloppy ass writing>9 weeks of "content" with autismo leaderboards>Still no epi rerolls or selective card copies until 6 weeks later (lol)
wuwajeet is falseflagging again it seems
not falling for the bait, but i know other anons will
>>552091617Blame the director. He deleted the entire chaos-loop story at the last minute for HSR at home. Now we only have incomplete characters.
>>552091617>>552092442mouth breathing retards
>>552093103It's the samefag ZZZcuck.
>>552084823Narja for her partner and Tiphera.
Post them
>>552092626Did we still have no idea why he did that?
>5th relaunch and spending event zone zero
Owen needs a rework; his deck is both boring and shitty.
Started a week ago so I'm a newfag. Is every season just going to be a clone of this season where we get a new chaos mode, new character, and a boss fight for 9 weeks? Haven't really dived into this games' development plans.
>>552093552if its like smilegate expect decent updates for a year then the absolute bare minimum till the rest of time. they did that with e7 and outright fucked over the game by making rollable units weak AF but a premium ml units who cost roughly 700$ for a copy at the time completely game breaking.
>>552093552>Haven't really dived into this games' development plans.then why don't you go do that? they did a livestream a few days ago where they detailed their plans
have they added any new male characters since launch or did they walk them back after the fiasco?
>>552094052there's males in the datamine, but none newly released yet.
>>552093552>Is every season just going to be a clone of this seasonYes and all for 9 weeks. Every. Single. Season. This is the gameplay loop.
>>552093552welcome to gacha, retard
So why is she sticking out her ass like that and undressing? Why's she looking at me with those eyes? This is a battlefield
>>552093552are you not satisfied with the three (3) jobber bosses with leaderboard autism sprinkled on top, faggot?
>>552095117every picture of nia has improper finger placement on the guitar
>>552095157I don't think she cares about proper finger placement when she looks like she's one second away from raping you
>women>do the rapingpick one virgoid
>>552093552Already more variety than most gachaslop out there.
I am still clinging on, but CZN truly made me realize that>"real gameplay" actually just means>"more time consuming chores"when it comes to gacha games.i really hope s2 actually changes things up comparatively to what they had on the roadmap.
>>552095610>I am still clinging onplease no just uninstall alreadydo us all a favorwho am I kidding you don't even have the game installed
>>552095594>Already more variety than most gachaslop out there.That's why it's doing so good right now. And the reason it's doing so good when every subhuman from /vmg/ and /e7g/ wanted to see a gigantic flop is another reason why they're so mad at seeing people enjoying the game.
>>552095710did the miyabi image really rile you up? jfc lol
>>552095594Here are the actual content bro...
>>552095594>arenaPvP?
>>552095710This exact post has been posted like 10 times already
>>552096359Devs said they wanted this game to be PVE so it's most likely not PVP
>>552096359PVE Boss Rush/Survival where you get to add upgrades/monster cards to your decks after each round
Is this fixed damage or does it matter on who I equip it?
>>552092442>>Littered with NTR>>AI character designs>>Sloppy ass writingi thought this was about zzz at first KÖÖÖK
>>552096545Those devs have zero integrity.
>>552097078Does it say fixed damage? Swear to god no one can read here.
>>552071947K E K
>>552097350Yeah bro let me trust this MTL game text
>>552097078most monster cards are shit. there's like two or thee good ones
>>552097926spirit kefox is the best card in the game. undisputed
This is good enough right? I'm tired of restarting for now
>>552096292>more chores without skip or sweepLmao
>Diagnosis: Refusal to communicateThat's normal of all women though? What's the issue?
>>552098406That's great because it means you can finally uninstall and leave this shit game behind. You're one click away from being free!
>>552098389Epiphanies could be better, probably not good enough to hit Master if that's what you're going for. 3 laser dupes is important cause Cassius is the real damage.
got a decent loadout with 4 dupes. didn't get the purple weapon though sadly and the shining core is kinda meh. forbidden card is also kinda shit but i didn't have any better choices
>>552099074I came back recently when i saw that they came up with this slutty angel that is not a complete brick since i was pissed that all the new characters were shit, i just want a good deck to clear most of things
>>552099337That's already overkill for not rift then, have fun.
not bad
>>552099337Ah if you're not a leaderboard autist then you can clear everything with that.
So what characters did YOU pick to welcome the new year with?
>>552099567
>>552099417>>552099548Thenks frens
What happened to the newcutie who was rerolling earlier?
>>552100378the rerolling filtered him, it's over
>>552100378>30 minutes tutorial>no skip>no sweep>dumb autoReally make you think
>>552100378He got Sereniel and someone else and started playing
How much damage could this be
>Kill boss with my awful team 1>Get to team 2>Fuck up the turn 1 and have to restart>Back to team 1
If I have a gorillion confiscations and 1 ecstasy, can I keep moving that ecstasy to my hand with each confiscation?
>>552103473confiscation doesn't actually move from the used cards pile
This shit is retarded and kind of in a not fun way
>>552103627
>login>290/290its owarida
>>552103742SenmetsuSenmetsuSenmetsu
>>552103742>not using Yuki with Veronica giant ballista for simulation farmingngmi
>>552103993It's not simulation and when I do farm I put my phone down and do something else. I've only recently even come around to liking Yuki because her gameplay is stupid in the opposite direction. Chizuru is the fun one.
>>552103993stop stealing my strats bro
>>552095610Why did you copy my post?
>>552103993Make sure to give Veronica her grenades!
>game is forcing me to max out Selenadamn
>everyone else: normal wishes>Renoa:The fuck
>>552104532She wrote a poem about how not-jealous she is
>>552104532she wrote you a poem that is about how she respects you and how she relies on you.
>>552099686Ones I actually use
I truly believe Sereniel ruined this game
>59.9%I'm CRASHING OUT! Please tell me we can get crit chance substats on crit chance main stats gear
>>552105514I don't disagree, the initial week of discovery and wonder completely left me for the usual gachaniggery season routine, i guess it was meant to be this way
>>552106165>Please tell me we can get crit chance substats on crit chance main stats gearYou can only have 1 statline per item, no duplicates
>>552105514>>552106341I truly believe "Seasons" ruined this game. I was having so much fucking fun until the game became a mandated chore. And when the mandated chore part was prescribed to us, it was objectively worse than the game we had already been playing. That part is better now, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the whole ordeal.
>>552106165ohnonononoI have 59.2%fuck this game
>>552106560This. Being expected to play the game is just too much.
gacha game should be fully autono other way around it
>>552106560It's such a bad design for any kind of "live service" game model. You mean every 3 months there's new stuff that I have to do? That's not what I was expecting. I wanted to play for 6-8 hours and then never again, like all my favorite AAA mainstream games. I basically just want to watch a movie.
battou
>>552107397i play a regular video game for 20 or 40 hours before picking up again next year or 6 months later, CZN really doesn't work as live service
Who the fuck invented this artifact shit? Seriously, why do I have to RNG the correct mainstat, then RNG the correct substats, AND THEN hope that RNG gives the correct substats the level up, because for some fucking reason only one (1) substat increases per level, and you can only level it up 5 times. Who the FUCK thought this bullshit was a good idea?
>>552107497What works as a live service?
>>552107597John Hoyo
>>552107497sounds like a you problem pal
>>552107002>>552107397Why is "hopechad" like this?
>>5521075972008 Chinese browser MMOs
>>552107597Learn to not worry about them. You can do everything in the game with green artifacts if you wanted to. Minmaxing stats is endgame shit for leaderboards. Think about it, what are you even trying to do? "I want my crit chance to be 60%!" Why, so one card can do +%5 more damage? Not even 5% more damage, btw. Just +5%
>>552107851>"i-i-it doesn't matter!"Shut the fuck up. Why are you even alive?
but the reason i am not top 100 is because of my sub 60% crit rate
>>552107851Like >>552107908 said, the meaning of life is to get upset about stupid shit.
I'm sure you've heard this before. Nice game, cuck. Lmao got 'em kek
>>552094213>there's males in the datamineWhere can I find them.please anon
>>552107657Not that guy, but "live service" and "gacha" are two different genres. They should not be mixed, but CZN has managed to mix all of the worst aspects of both genres into one game. Typical "live service" games have "Seasonal" battle passes and content, but they don't ever really give you anything. It's almost always just cosmetics, that's it. In a live service game, if you don'want to take a break from the game, you're never really punished for doing so. So what, you miss out on some cosmetics. Maybe you wanted the cosmetics but it's not a big deal. Typical "gacha" games want you to log in every single day, and if you want to take a break, depending on how long that break is you might as well just buy a brand new account because maybe you quit at a time where you had no gems and if you buy a new account you get the reroll + the newfriend gems. You are heavily punished for taking breaks unless you want to start paypigging. So CZN wants you to play it as if it's a typical live service game, but it punishes you if you don't want to play it by being a gacha. CZN has the worst parts of both genres. If CZN wanted to be a live service game, it shouldn't have had gacha in it at all.
>>552104532>the rose that knows no envy...
>>552108242The gacha model you like is 100% trash that should not exist. A game is meant to be played, but you're right that it shouldn't be excessively demanding of players. And CZN isn't excessively demanding if you aren't getting autistic about the leaderboard.
>>552098406>playing is a choreAt this point you can just delete the game you nobrain
>>552108123AAAIIIIEEE RAVI GOD HAVE MERCY
>>552108693>The gacha model you like is 100% trash that should not exist.What are you even talking about? I think gacha as a concept is trash and should not exist. >A game is meant to be played, but you're right that it shouldn't be excessively demanding of players. And CZN isn't excessively demanding if you aren't getting autistic about the leaderboard.You're purposely missing the point, anon. The reason it's possible to get burnt out on CZN is because it requires you to play it as if it's a seasonal live service game, and you also cannot take breaks because it's a gacha and you are severely punished for doing so. Real live service games, you can take a break for however long you want, you can pop in and play 1 or 2 games whenever you want, you can uninstall the game for a year, come back, and have fun, you can drop the game entirely and then only pick it back up when you're friends are playing it. Etc, etc. All that stuff is possible with real live service, seasonal games. None of that is possible with gachas. Especially not gachas that have scaled fake advertisement rates and 50/50. If you take a break, you're never gonna get a new character. You can pop back in, sure, but you will always just be playing with exactly what you already had, because you are required to always particiapte in all content if you want to be able to enjoy the new things (characters) that are released. You cannot take a break. If you take a break, ever, you may as well just start over completely with a brand new account.
>>552108242Honestly just fuck off. If you want to be a variety gamer that buys 40 games every steam sale and plays each one for 3 hours then just go do that. You've played CZN and you can put it on your Backloggd and give it 2 stars and move on. This isn't the game for you and it will never be the game for you. If you're this unhappy about it after barely 2 months then buddy I don't see the next 2 months making you any happier.
>>552109168>damn i started playing a gacha game and i don't like the gacha elements if only there was some way this outcome could have been predicted
>>552104532This is why she is the canon wife.She put some though into her wishing card.Not like Haru that just wrote about food.
>>552109168>plays a gacha game>complains about the gachadumbass, foreskin eating chud.>burnt out on CZNit's just you
i only like dumb women
>>552109219>>552109342 (90 second samefag)>>552109636 (I'm gonna just assume this guy is also the same literally one (1) person)>["hopechad" shitposter is actually literally one person]Why are you like this? I was responding to a question and I was explaining why a GACHA game should never also be a LIVE SERVICE game, but unfortunately CZN crossed that line. I have played CZN for easily over 100 hours, maybe even over 200 hours. What strawman are you even trying to create? The one upside, I suppose, is that this type of gacha + live service game is a perfect money sink for whales. The only people who can actually play this GACHA game as if it's the LIVE SERVICE game that it also is, are whales. They can quit whenever they want, then come back and suffer no bad consequences, just like in real live service games, because they'll just paypig the gems and buy the character regardless. So in order to play CZN as if it's an actual Live Service game, you literally must be a whale. >>552109636>>damn i started playing a gacha game and i don't like the gacha elements if only there was some way this outcome could have been predictedNo no no, little shitposter. I started playing this GACHA game and I didn't know it was actually a LIVE SERVICE game that is unfortunately also a GACHA.
>>552109706look pal. you're at a crossroads. you can either nut up and play the game or quit. those are your only two options. you're not going to be one of those schizos who doesn't play a game but keeps the threads bookmarked so he can bitch about it every day of his life for years, are you?
holy fucking meds
>>552109706Retardbro, all online, active gachas are inherently live service games, like this has to be troll. I refuse to believe I'm sharing oxygen with someone like this.
>>552110029If you didn't want this question answered: >>552107657>What works as a live service?Then you or whoever it was should not have asked it.And whoever is samefagging definitely shouldn't be samefagging, no matter how upset they are. >>552110109>all online, active gachas are inherently live service gamesMaybe technically, but traditional non-gacha live service games are completely different than gachas. You are more than well aware of this, but for some reason you're choosing to throw a semantic tantrum. CZN, however, has all of the worst parts of both genres.
>>552109168>I think gacha as a concept is trash and should not exist.So why are you harping on about mixing models when your problem is with all gachas? Just stop at saying you don't like gachas.>The reason it's possible to get burnt out on CZN is because it requires you to play it as if it's a seasonal live service gameNo, not really. The only people getting burnt out farmed way beyond what the game requires.>Especially not gachas that have scaled fake advertisement rates and 50/50.lmao you have to be legitimately retarded to care about the structure of the gacha. The only thing that matters on this topic is the ratio of pull income to average cost, and CZN has given out a ton of pulls so far.>If you take a break, you're never gonna get a new character.That's not true at all. You won't get new characters while you're gone, that's it. It's not the end of the world. People start playing a gacha months later and they can handle it just fine, despite being at a perpetual disadvantage relative to those who played from day one.
So what ended up being the best gear sets for Sereniel? To me, the original 4p instinct damage set with the 2p crit damage set seems the best.
>>552109706Now you're trolling.>I started playing this GACHA game ... that is unfortunately also a GACHASo you did know exactly what you were signing up for. Your complaint is you don't like gacha games that force you to play everyday yet admit you were aware CZN was a gacha game.
>>552110289>CZN, however, has all of the worst parts of both genresThis is such a stretch and you know that. And I'm not trying to shill CZN as some gospel for all gachas and/or live services either.
>>552110532That works out for me too
>>552110302>So why are you harping on about mixing models when your problem is with all gachas?Once again, this was the question: >>552107657>>What works as a live service?The answer is: things that are not also a fucking gacha game. Pick one evil and stick with it. Don't mix all the different evils together. >The only people getting burnt out farmed way beyond what the game requiresWhat is with you "hopechad" retards? First you're telling me that if playing the game is too much, then stop playing it. Now you're telling me not to play the game. Do you even have an opinion or is your only goal to shitpost? >lmao you have to be legitimately retarded to care about the structure of the gacha.Only a retard or a whales could say something like this. >CZN has given out a ton of pulls so far.Sure, but they're all apologibs, which are not guaranteed or expected to continue forever. >That's not true at all. You won't get new characters while you're gone>People start playing a gacha months later and they can handle it just fineCorrect. That's exactly what I said. If you ever quit a gacha, then depending on how long you quit for, you might as well just create or buy a brand new reroll account. >>552110647Are you just one idiot samefagging? At least one of you is samefagging. Are all of you samefag, or is there 2 people here who are as retarded as you? >So you did know exactly what you were signing up for.Nope. I knew this was a gacha game. I didn't know it was a seasonal live service game as well. I literally just told you that. >>552110804>This is such a stretch and you know that.Nope. It's got stamina gating, artifactslop, gacha, gems, pull economy, etc. And it's got perpetual seasonal grind, with no breaks ever because it's a gacha.I'm not replying to you retards anymore. It's very clear that you are extremely bored shitposters, and one of you is samefagging up a storm. You might not even play /czn/, you might just be shitpost tourists.
>>552110532It depends on what you're doing. If you're going for leaderboards with a 4x tactical maneuver build then judgement's flames are useless.
Holy walls of text
>>552110990>I'm not replying to you retards anymore.is code for "i didn't think out my troll act well and now i can't keep my story straight, i'm painted into a corner and too many posters have caught on"
My bunny is ready.
>>552110990What an incredible moron you are. Please, I'm begging you to uninstall the game and fuck off.
>>552111012Not really. By turn 3, it takes about 3 homing lasers to break the bar, meaning you get mileage on about 3-4 other homing lasers per bar break. I honestly think the overall difference is negligible though I don't have the math to back it up.
People realized grinding doesnt mattered and now revenue will take a huge hit
>>552111385Only f2poors were grinding.
it's a marathon not a sprint. we haven't even gotten our first Chaos Emerald yet.
>>552110990>I knew this was a gacha game. I didn't know it was a seasonal live service game as wellBut that doesn't fucking matter, dumbass. Look, I'll prove it.-Hey everyone I'm John Smilegate, developer of CZN! I've heard your complaints about CZN being both a live service game and a gacha game. Effective immediately, I'm ending development of all future live service features and CZN will be a "normal" gacha game. Bye!-Wow anon look at that. Your prayers have been answered. No more live service features. Oh hey wait a minute, CZN is still a gacha game though. It's still got all the shit you keep saying you hate, like "stamina gating, artifactslop, gacha, gems, pull economy, etc." Damn it's almost as if picking up a gacha game in the first place when you hate gacha games so passionately was totally fucking retarded, regardless of whether or not or to what extent it had any live service aspects.
>>552111238for rift, right?
>>552111553>Chaos Emerald???
>>552109706I mean Sereniel is the only limited thing from Season 1 that's worth caring about. You can slack off and come back whenever.
>>552111612I'm not a leaderboard sweat, 5k+ is fine with me.
I've had Veronica in my party for 98% of my runs since release, and I only now finally got the basic deck.
What the fuck. Is tenacity damage even useful here?
>>552112481>second method>1 cost draw 1 kowalskiAre we posting brick decks?
>>552112636Let me correct, it's the first time I've ever saved 4 0 cost repose.
>>552112584It should, plus it's the only epiphany worth taking
I didn't know this affected Cthulhu.Thanks I guess.
>>552112763I think maybe it snowballs. Getting the first copy makes the second copy easier, etc.
>>552112936I don't encounter this tentacular bastard enough to see him at 1hp from the blessing
>>552112964It's sort of true. After you first copy your chances of getting the next one is actually almost doubles from 1/12 -> 2/13
I wish the E7bot would tell me which events are first- and second-half. It would help me make a determination of whether the second-half exterior events are better than elites.
is selena really worth building, I'm tired of farming dps fragments..
>>552112936The 1 HP thing should be on all 3 blessing options not just 1.
>>552113375Only if you care about the leader board shit
>>5521134051hp is very convenient, but I kind of like the beginner mob battles.
>>552113802The first floor in general is pretty much easy mode so I like getting it over with faster. Not much a challenge since Sereniel dropped. I remember before that one elite who built fury stacks anytime you played a non-attack card was scary. Now he's just a pushover.
>the two other copies didn't hit the homing laserfuck, really wanted to try the mark + coordinated attack build...
>>5521127634 repose is a great loadout I don't have it in me to farm for one anymore.>>552112636second method is bis potato boy
>>552114097lmao
>>552113370Ore Vein is second half. You mostly want to spam events in Interior anyway.
>>552114482meant for >>552114213
imma keepito fifty bucks a pack. ey only cam hea too shitpost or to fifht shitpostrz. game itselr? BOONSAAAAIIIJE
>>552114616In non-SEA?
i need a fat ass tomboy (small to medium tits) so bad manwhy are smilegooks only making 1 bodytype
>>552114776Your Beryl?
>>552114776>fat assYou're brown
>>552114661He's a self admitted shitposter. That's the only reason he's here.
We white men like our asses flat.
Narja is the white man's woman.
>>552092362his dice tricks are one shotting the boss that's epiccassius is balanced
>>552115190pic not related
>>552115319>"pic (Narja) not related to post (Narja)"You are brown.
>>552115190Nah she have jungle bush so definitely for brown
>>552092362>video is sped up>is still 24 minI thought they said that the only reason Tressa needed to be nerfed was because she was taking longer than other characters?
>>552115431That picture isn't narja dumbass. Stop giving white people a bad name with you inability connect the dots.
i have played enough cassius for the rest of my life just delete him
>>552115319>>552115513>>552115607You are all extremely brown.
>>552115663I haven't played him at all.
>>552107397>You mean every 3 months there's new stuff that I have to doCould've fooled me with how barren shit is so far.At least they're rectifying that.
>>552107397this is satire you retards
>>552115935Everyone who read that post understood it was satire. Except for maybe >>552115431
>>552115998that post spawned some of the most retarded paragraphs I've ever read
>>552114482>>552114592why would you ever run that are you dumb? repose doesn't cycle into itself.and second method is multiplicative on top of crit and extra damage multipliers.
>>552111607Okay, but why do you not answering his question? Scared of your red herring? :)
how is this T13 it's piss easy
>>552115935It's called a falseflag, anon.
>>552116208>he doesn't know
>>552115513>anti-pube schizo already pre-emptively triggered himself, completely unpromptedWhat mental illness is this
>>552116824>What mental illness is thisHe's terminally brown.
>>5521161241. If you aren't drawing 80+% of your deck when using Veronica you've failed.2. Even if you only draw 2 cards, 100%>35%3. Overcurrent Shock Unit is also multiplied by crit. The extra damage modifier is not enough to make 35% more than 100%.>are you dumb?No, but you are.
>>552117262it literally says fixed damage dipshit
>>552116208Save data value =/= monster level. Go play difficulty 11 with the same nonchalance, focusing on deck building.
Sereniel is strong but I hope no one thinks that she's future proof
>Full Transparency. In case those of you missed it on stream. Here is what I got the month of december from CZN devs. I'm sponsored by Smilegate and get this to 40k crystals a month. So 200-500$
>>552117330fixed damage can crit dipshit. It's only fixed with respect to certain other modifiers.
>>552117407baka this retard doesn't understand what fixed damage is and thinks repose can draw into itselfdo you know how to read?
>>552117367to be fair in return they have to completely ruin their channel
Building my Selena for Sereniel. What memory fragments does she use?
>>552117459Imagine getting all excited and full of yourself to correct someone and being wrong. You're pathetic.
>>552117506>they have to completely ruin their channelDon't like half the gacha streamers makes a brand new channel for each gacha game?
Do you guys take the tunnel in all your runs? I'm currently on a difficulty 9 tier 12 (13 through nightmare) run and just choosing the dimensional tunnel route would lock me out of 2 unidentified areas and make me go through elite monsters instead.I'm still on the exterior map and I'm not sure if I wanna forsake epiphany chances for the dimensional tunnel which could just be the stupid part with the 3 scientist rewards at the end that only offers one divine epiphany.Any advice?
>>552117685tunnel itself is 2? and a combat node so why notI don't see a reason to skip it
>>552116824You still not answer the question :)
>>552117746but one of the tunnels is always the one with just fights and the 3 rewards (credits, nihilum epiphany, neutral card) and it seems to switch up if this "bad" tunnel is on the exterior or interior map
>>552117685Occasionally I will skip the interior tunnel to maximize my unidentified areas. Often the cost of going to the tunnel is low, though, as >>552117746 said.
>>5521175402ATK 2CRIT 2flexI use 2ATK 4Passion because I went full retard early on and I don't want to switch sets now and honestly - she works just fine.
Noooooo... why couldn't it be the one on the left...
>>552117506Jenazed had more viewers with CZN than any other gacha
>>552117367Imagine becoming a glorified shill who can't say anything overtly negative about the game for this.
>>552116695?>>552117356??I'm using it to farm save dataWhat i was trying to say is, that it is really easy modifiers for a T13
>>552118642>Imagine becoming a glorified shill who can't say anything overtly negative about the game for this.Except you can say anything negative about the game that you want.
>>552118671Most people are turned off by discard 1. What team are you using?
>>552118728LMAO
Did you make it?
>>552118835Yes
>>552118774well the fotmSeri Sele Mikayou start with a million cards each turn anyway
>>552118835i fucked up buying policies
>>552118778You can be a CZN content creator and say anything you want about the game, including that the leveling is dogshit because they don't give you enough materials, the epiphanies are dogshit because every character (except Sereniel) only has one good one, and that the game needs a skip feature for dailies, and that you don't even play the game anymore, all you do is make the required videos.
>>552119041>E2 serenielYes it's no surprise you're breezing through content.
>>552070972legit asking if this is AI. at least 7 of these look just like those slop porn on panda, chink shovelware ads, or cheap games on fanza
>>552119347it's a 2d game retard
>>552119347>>552119408>zoomers are so retarded that, to them, 2d = AI
>>552118835No, never bought it before. It's essentially useless because all the substats are gonna be wrong anyway.
Is Cassius enough healing if I use Sereniel with Selena. He's also e0 btw lol.
Trying to build a Mei Lin deck.Do I go to the shop or do I go through the triple question mark path with the buffed elite?Honestly I don't know if I can survive either path because I don't have Mei Lin's draw card yet and if I don't get it I don't know how I'm gonna beat them.I don't really wanna go to the dimensional tunnel cause I don't want the forbidden card but I think that has the highest possibility of survival.
>>552119408>>552119463why do you think AI only means 3d? those are not mutually exclusive. the shading and facial structure are clearly what you see in AI art from things like nikke.
>>552119603>It's essentially useless because all the substats are gonna be wrong anyway.Can confirm. Every one of these things I've used has had shit substats. You should only use it to craft a mainstat that just isn't dropping for you.
>>552118671The tier level doesn't represent overall difficulty because you're doing map level 8 for save data farming, where monsters are capped at lvl 80. That's why I said to do the same at level 11 with similar or worse modifiers. You won't have a good time because beating each node is going to take more effort, it will raise your stress higher, you'll have less hp to work with and so on.
>>552119724This is exterior right? Go dimensional tunnel and reset if you don't get select card epiphany.
>>552119681probably not
>>552119681use rei instead of selena
>>552119813But I don't want to go to a useless rest zone...
>>552120042You have a higher chance of a epiphany event then going blind.
>>552119810why are you talking about level 11? no is farming save data theremonster level has nothing to do with save data tierthe modifiers dictate the save data tier and those two are super easy for a t13from level 80 to 110 or whatever it'S all the same for save data
>>552120202>monster level has nothing to do with save data tierYes, it does. And you obviously don't know the game nor play it.
>>552119724>I don't really wanna go to the dimensional tunnel cause I don't want the forbidden cardWhy not? Even if you don't want the card (why?), judging from the post it's still exterior and entering the tunnel makes sense here: 2 random events, you can potentially hit 2 epiphanies there, including the targeted divine one. Even if you hit the cardless variant, Toast still gives you 1 divine epi, 1 neutral card (skippable if you don't want to clog up your deck early) and 100 credits. Enemies in the tunnel are easier, too.
>>552120260lol
>>552120173>>552120283Fina okay I will go to the damn tunnel.
>>552117506Even high effort meme channel get hit hard
>>552120562>>>>>>>>high effort meme channelThat retard links his videos here, and it's literally just YouTube poop.
>>552120671you just replied to>him
>>552120562We need our guy DEMON KIM back in CZN baby!>check his channel>all vids deleted>last video 3 months ago>misses a tooth>talks about how to better your life and become a Top G gigachad>became a Tate tier grifter>already abandoned itMan, this is really sad but also really funny LMFAO
>>552120768The most fucked up part is that HALF of his top videos are CZN. The other top videos are Frieren. He didn't get "hit hard".
>>552120885well yeah this post >>552117506 was bait to begin with
guys im thinking about food again
>>552120980haru...
>>552120980
>let the team auobattle a difficulty that I don't expect to win>they win>Mika is MVPWow
Should I reroll if I got Keyron from beginner banner? He doesn't seem highly rated.
>about to be new years in my region>fuck it, I'll do one last pull for 2025>no rolls other than some camera shit>this happenswelp now I wish i saved this luck for an actual banner haha....
>>552121197Yeah aim for Veronica or Mei Lin.
>>552121210All your luck for an entire year has been used up...
>>552121210and then everyone clapped
>>552121210>>552121518The camera banner is really generous. I wish the normal banner was that generous. I've gotten 2 full 5* character's holos and I still have some more cameras.
>new year>no 5* selector in our mailLmao we are the middle child
>>552120202Are you intentionally this stupid? Who cares why you're doing something? You brought up difficulty, saying T13 is easy. I explained to you that it's easy because monsters are capped at lvl 80.
>new year>no free rolls
>>552121518It's still 2025 though luckily my luck resets in 4 hours>>552121624Every [you] I received was a clap so thanks I guess
>new year>no gf to have ny sex
>No explicit Christmas gibs>No explicit New Years gibsIt's over...
nice game you have there
This game kinda sucks. Glad i only wasted like 30€ on it
>>552121210Camera banner has higher % odds than the regular banner, so don't worry, this wouldn't happen with actual Sereniel.
>>552117367>have to release 1 video per day or you lose itfuck that
>>552117367>GET PAID IN CRYSTALSHAHAHAHA HOOLY FUCK THESE CHEAP SKATES
Its 2026 soonWhat are we thinking niggas
>>552121952Bro... your double rewards in simulation...
We need a Chainsaw man collabI would drop $50k USD on RezeBillions of new players would sign up to play if Reze's L2D is the tiktok danceGet on it SG! It would literally SAVE CZN!
>>552122548>>552122648You only needed to make>live stream Roadmap video>Chizuru video>Sereniel videofor December, in order to get your 22k jims.
>redditman
>>552122886Who the fuck is that>look it up>small tits pick me ADHD BPD girl failureLmao CZN is cowtits game
>>552122915SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>552123053What about that post even triggered your brown?
bros the cute girls from the other gachas are making fun of us again...
>>552121843level 80 can be pretty hard with bad modifiers bro
This game sucks
1 resolve
>>552123559our girls are cuter
>>552123559>That>CuteI'm not that desperate.
damn holy big booba this divine is assGive me the AP one
>>552123559Proof?
>>552123687truehere have another one
What should I do with my standard rolls now that I reached 300? Should I just roll partners from now, since SG will buff them?
>>552124076Until we know their buffs they're just bricks. Also it's still a shit banner because no select
>>552123912teheperinko
jesus please be a homie
I thought my team getting a 700k score was doing half the damage of the people at the top of the leaderboard. I just found out that damage to points has diminishing returns. They are removing it's whole health bar and only getting 500 points.
Just pissed in the plant pots of our office because my boss asked me to water them.AMAalso combatant for this feel?
>>552124076You can save them and pull on standard banner when they add a character you skipped but want to pull later.They add limited banner characters to standard banner pool except seasonal characters like Sereniel.I got Yuki from standard banner last week.
>>552125047>working on new years eveGrim.Hugo.
>>552125181>he thinks I'm actually workingKEK>HugoBASADO
Does Rocket-Adorned Cape drop from a specific event?
>>552125047This sounds familiar
>>552117367they are all frauds
So they are all just paid shillsyikes
>>552125701What part of ECELEB DISCORD CABALdid you not fucking understand?You know, this might be your first rodeo with SmileGook but I've been with them since Epic7 released. This is their modus operandi to a T.
>>552125276nvm got it from this nigga
is this usable brosi dont know what i am doing
>shitposters are bitter /e7g/cucksGrim.
>>552126058depends where you want to use it?
>>552126058its usable but you will need few turns to get them up since the upgrades are not first turn
>>552126058if you want to use it for rift/leaderboard>terrible armor>terrible trinket>only 1 upgrade works, the one with 2 lasers is better>plasma missile is good>get more homing copies
>>552125563They own daycare?
>>552125701>>552125849but his is normal influencer marketing?
>>552125849>reddit spacing
>>552126091>SLUUUUUUUUUUUURPPP>OOOH SLIMEGOOK SAMAAAA>PLEASE FEED ME MORE SLOPPP>MORE NERFS MORE BROKEN PROMISES>MORE GOING BACK ON YOUR WORDS>I SHALL TOPPP UPPPP SLUUUUUUUUURRPPPP>MY LIFE FOR YOUR PINCHED KOREAN MICROPENIS SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURPPPP SLURP SLUUURP SLURP>OOOHHH YES GIVE ME THE GIBS FOR MY VIDEOS SMILEGOOK SAMA SO I CAN PLACE HIGHER ON THE LEADERBOARDS FOR MY STICKERRRR!!!!
>>552126798>SMILEGOOK SAMAi say this and talk like this
>>552126798>utterly mindbrokenRun out of counseling tickets?
Jenazad is a paid shill but still shit on the game
>>552092198It will.
I'm waiting for ML gacha to be released so I can buy packs and get ML Luna
>>552127104>what is controlled oppositionYou're the kinda nigga who believes the government and companies like Vanguard and BlackRock have your best interests in mind, right?
>>552124686i did it bwosit's perfect
>>552126091Just look at their thread lmao, shit's dead and forgotten
>>552127338Engagement fire ruined itSorry bro
>>552127338>will be useless in a few days>all so you can place slightly higher on leaderboards for a sticker>nobody will ever see anyways
>>552127509i still have one remove in the core of discord
>>552127192>some streamer is controlled positionkek you cant be serious. conspiracy raped your asshole
>>552127898>SLLUUUUUUUUUUUURP SLURRRPPP LOOK AT ME SLIMEGOOK I DEFEND YOU MY BELOVED BILLION DORRAR COMPANY
>>552127969Okay, but why do you not answering my question? Scared of implications? :)
>>552127991>be you>be professional slimegook slurper>play CZN your entire childhood>slurp slimegook semen throughout highschool and college>graduate and start wageslaving on seanig BPOs>spend your meager wage to the newest slimegook game
I think the shitposter is the paid controlled opposition.
>>552128058Why are you scared of answering the question? Scared of exposing the flaw in your logic? :)
why are we still pretending like SmileGate is a bad company?they have only their players in mind whenever they create a new gamemoney and appeasing their shareholders is secondary if not tetriary
>>552128294i don't get it either. they clearly have a positive track record. just look at how good lost ark and e7 are doing.
you joke but some retard will think you're being serious.
>>552128126He does seem to always be angry and arguing about something, no matter which "side" it's on.
>>552128408Not like we have anything to discuss anyway. No story, no art, no interesting characters. We talked about the same chaos runs for two months now. Air's outta the bag.
hows stella sora doing? they still active over there?
>>552128372KEK
>>552128845well, they deader than us by double. >both threada created at the same time>we have double the poststhey are truly close to EoS
>>552128845>threads moving at a snails pace>3.0 rating on Google Play>hand out gibs because its close to dying Im sure they are fine!KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>552129096we will get even more popular when cassius gets gutted and they introduce a true roguelike endgame
>>552128294>why are we still pretending like SmileGate is a bad company?They are.
