Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic! /sthg/ #8950 - Babies Edition ==NEWS== >NiGHTS, AiAi, Tangle & Whisper in Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds https://youtu.be/B0DHucYYD0k >Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027 https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/ >Sonic universe event film to release on December 22, 2028 https://xcancel.com/rejectedjokes/status/1995685906444100087 ==Comic Release Dates== Sonic the Hedgehog #84 - 04 February 2026 Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 11 February 2026 Sonic the Hedgehog #85 - 18 February 2026 ==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS== https://rentry.org/sthglinks >/sthg/ OP template: https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate >Milestone pastebin: https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4 >Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet >Perfect System Collection: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection >Sonic comic scans: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics >Sonic shows: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows >SAGE https://sagexpo.org >SHC https://shc.zone >#10000 Project https://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru >/sthg/ booru: https://sthg.booru.org >/sthg/ OC info: https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive >/sthg/ CyTube: https://cytube/r/sthg >/sthg/ Pixel World: https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygFDeG5BucU Previous Zone: >>552568831
>>552619330Man what
>>552619380Babies are cute
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>>>552619280Sega of America and Sega of Japan are both subsidaries of SEGA which is a japanese corporation. Sega of Japan = / = Sega. They are different entities. I'm not sure what you're correcting>mischaracterizationthis is a semantic debate. Neither you or me hates the american characterizations, but the term here is that they are changed from the source material. They were created second, without permission of the people who made the games and Naka went as far as to say he was Livid in the E! documentary over western Sonic. For the purposes of conversation, that is mischaracterization.>seethingI agree some people take it too seriously. It's inconsequential and eventually the jp side murdered the western side.>>552619429>Deep mental retardation from the average windnigger. You've been getting so many, SO MANY Ls lately your brains are now in full cope mode.No That's not what I'm talking about. I am literally talking about the fact that the japanese versions of the game manuals have dialogue and plots written out where Sonic is already the free-spirited gary stu who hates being tied down and is repeatedly claimed "not to be a hero"I am NOT shilling the japanese interpretation here. I'm saying the thing we call "windnic" was straight up present already before the games even hit the shelves.
What if Lanolin was straight?
>Gallagher Archie>Fun, whimsy, cartoony.>Gallagher / Penders Archie>Same as before but more serious. features sci-fi and mysticism. mix of action, lore and world building (That was the sweet spot)>Early Penders / Bollers Archie>serious, melodramatic with some shipping drama. More action focused>Late Penders / Bollers Archie>serious, melodramatic with some shipping drama. More drama focused. most archie criticism comes from content made in this era. (slap happens here)>Flynn Archie>serious, melodramatic with some shipping drama. More action focused>Flynn reboot archie>serious. tries to re tell game lore its own way. very action focused>Flynn IDW>Reboot archie without the Sonic SatAM stuff>Evan IDW>Steven universe fanfic>Imada Blade of Courge>Dark age game (Sonic and his co protagonist)>Imada Shadow>Shadow gens with more plot>90s shogakukan manga>hellokitty for boys
>>552619541>NickyI like this point but the actual Sonic in that manga is barely different from the Sonic we see in Frontiers. I'm being serious here what is is the difference? The biggest change I've noticed in Sonic's japanese personalities is >whether or not he is afraid of water>how much he sleeps>how angry he can get>how many jokes he tells.These four aspects are inconsistent in japan, but that's it. The rest of the things, the "mandates" have been in place since he was blue.
>>552619570>not to be a hero
>>552619759Lol what are you getting so mad for? Why are you just assuming I hate movienic or that I think JP Sonic deserves a title prize? I'm just restating the fact that his japanese characterization isn't some new thing invented to slander archie and satam, it's been there before either of them existed. That's a material fact.
>>552619721I can tell you if Lanolin was gay, I wouldn't even bother to pirate this shit.
>>552619505if you're a parent or something yeah maybe
>>552619889That's why I said stated. I think it's objectively wrong to say Sonic isn't a hero and the fussing over it has been pointless. Sonic is a hero, he's always been a hero, he's even a super hero. Even his whole "I don't do it for justice" is not unique. Superheroes haven't been like that since the silver age of comics, which is likely what Naoto Oshima had in mind.
>>552619952Someone who says jpnic and westnic are equally valid is just stupid. the western side gets evaporated over time and regarded as an "inconsistency" while the JP side continues trucking along even if it reviews poorly. They are objectively not equal and the person you're arguing with is probably baiting because he got curbstomped by a jpchad
>>552619991>You need to be a father to like babiesWhat is wrong with you man?
Satamfags hate it when you bring up that Sonic's character was concieved and that Satam disrespected the franchise and its creators by completely throwing it away for a generic 90s protagonist. Look how much they seethe at you for just pointing that out. They think you're me.
>>552619459>They were created second, without permission of the people who made the games and Naka went as far as to say he was Livid in the E! documentary over western Sonic.I have no idea how a thinking person coukd even take this as a good argument, sonic outside of artistic shenanigans legally belongs to SoA too, the contracts are there so permissions or not no trademark was fucked up.Again, if sega is a shitty company, Naka (who's not even all that head as a creative director if you look at balan) can seethe as much as he want because the point is marketing for a videogame mascot, and marketing means having the right character, and in the 90s the right character was someone fighting for the environment and freedom.
>>552620335You are making a lot of presumptions and I think you're just assumping that my point here is that the american side is *Wrong*. No I'm saying for conversational reasons I used the word "mischaracterization" because it was a second, different characterization. Not the same as the first. Different. The greek root "miss" because it is allocated, not because it is "wrong". I do not believe it is morally wrong or some other thing for the western side to have changed Sonic's personality especially if there was nothing stopping them. I'm being literal, not argumentative here. You're probably imagining a proper JP purist here. I'm not.
Arguing about the Japanese and Western sides of Sonic accomplishes nothing.
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>>552620272I'll take a generic shit-talking protagonist from the 90s over whatever the fuck you losers make these days. I'll skip out on your group mental therapy circlejerks. People want cool characters that feel like they have a story to tell, not Californian college grads who think having a backbone is akin to being a Nazi.
>>552619952And i'm stating popularity matters more and everything was done legally. Japan has nothing to offer and DOES NOT want to offer anything.>>552620178>while the JP side continues trucking along even if it reviews poorlyCool, the one without a real personality?
>>552620496Every weeb must be exterminated
>>552620542Sonic's 'ife
i hate that angel island was bombed in 3's first acti wish it didn't happen
>>552619803>the actual Sonic in that manga is barely different from the Sonic we see in Frontiers.Haven't read the manga but I doubt that.The initial point still stands. Arguing about characterization in SatAM, AoSth, or anything pre-Sonic Adventure is a faulty argument. Sega localized Sonic differently in Japan, America, and (due to Sonic the Comic) the UK. None of these are "out of character".In the context of current discussions, they are Elseworld Sonics. Not the current canon post-Sonic Adventure one. I'm reminded of how Archie had to reconcile old SatAM Robotnik and current Eggman by inventing some kind of retarded clone robot BS.
>>552620542>the 'lut
>SOJ vs SOAI don't know why you would get aggressive on that point. Sega is the parent company. SOA and Sonic Team are branches within Sega but they aren't sega themselves. They have the same name but that's like saying Marvel and Lucasfilm are the same company because they're both disney. That's a complete misunderstanding of how company structure works. Sega of America had the ability to make decisions without Sonic Team's permission and is still able to do so, the situation with Penders simply elevated Sonic Team's control. AM2 is another subsidiary within Sega that is able to make demands of SOA. It is wrong to say they are "Just one company so shut up" that's literally just incorrect
>>552620430>>552620430>you're just assumping that my point here is that the american side is *Wrong*it just can't follow:>reasons I used the word "mischaracterization" because it was a second, different characterization.Either you get the character or not if you assume an original is even there, the franchise was in its dawn and nobody really knew or cared who the fuck sonic was.
>>552620226I don't like children
>>552620774>Assume the original is even there. I feel like there's some kind of misunderstanding between you and me here. I'm not talking about the idea that Sonic had no personality before archie and therefore he was the wind. I'm talking about the fact that the scrapped Sonic origin story from japan is simply older than Archie, and contains the personality that Sega of Japan and the games (Sa1 onwards) would use as a basis. I was also clarifiyng the reason I used the word mischaracterization. I was not defending "OOC" rants from Sparky or Random or whoever you might have had in mind. I understand that mischaracterization is an extremely loaded word that comes with the connotation of "Fuck the americans for doing this thing" so I dropped it from the rest of the argument.
>>552620739Ok, so we aleays default yo "SEGA is a terrible comoany who can't manage an IP properly".Why do you think sonic has a different personality for every arc and AU? When you leave something in the mid of the street it belongs to no one, it's only normal for archie to be born.
>>552620774The original was literally there and just not translated in the US until 98 why are you even defending otherwise
>>552620927>I'm talking about the fact that the scrapped Sonic origin story from japan is simply older than Archie, and contains the personality that Sega of Japan and the games (Sa1 onwards) would use as a basisOk i see it now, but still when you invent a character, how much shit do you try out before actually committing with something official?Ehat they had to do is to pick a stance and go for it, at worst they change it later.
Are the Twitter takeovers canon? Besides the 4th wall jokes
>>552621013I don't even think it's mismanagement honestly. It doesn't matter if Sega of America is in-character to Sega of Japan, just if it makes money. That's the ultimate objective of the whole conglomerate. I don't think a pen pusher at the very top of Sega knows the phrase "Sonic is like the wind" or cares if the westerners put him in a relationship that doesn't line up with the views of his creators or anything like that. You could argue that if Sega functioned like Disney or Warner Bros that Archie wouldn't have even been allowed to exist without mandates from the start, but it doesn't have to be like that.
Marine but alienBlack Coon
Cream rabbits
>>552621049All that stuff looks so alien not even in the fandom they take it seriously.
>>552621226Alright i'm done doing the devil's advocate, i don't even like archie and i was bored.
Who jobs harder? Shadow or Surge?
>>552621226>It doesn't matterthis is true
>>552620667I'm going to try and approach this in good faith because I preemptively believe we disagree on a number of things but don't need to seethe about them.>>552621190Including this post just for posterity.It's an interesting discussion to be had though. If you line up all the american Sonics, and all the japanese Sonics, you notice a few things.>The japanese side has minimal inconsistencies>The american side consistently adds "Cocky, slightly arrogant, 90s tude" to some extent but suited to the era.First of all, JPfags and the like did not magically come up with the idea that SatAM "Changed who Sonic was. Even if they're extremely hostile about it. Satam came out in 1993. This was before the unused plot concept for Sonic 1 ever came out in America "The untold Sonic origin story" which released in 1994 but was made in 1990 for the first game.Sonic was already windnic before Archie or SatAM or even Sonic 1. Not because the games had no story, but because the japanese manuals never got translated for years.There is no scenario where Naka and co sign off on Sonic making out with Sally Acorn, becoming a freedom fighter or a king or having siblings ect. He could not possibly be more clear where he stood on those matters. (This post is not an argument that SOA has to listen to SOJ but it is important to establish this)Yuji Naka wasn't the president of Sega. The president of Sega couldn't possibly care about these things. So in the grand scheme of course they are allowed. The fact that there is a clear line of causality from Japan to America is why people leverage "OOC" in the first place. The almost-aromantic (he isn't) Gary Stu interpretation of Sonic is literally older than the one that appears in the west. I'll make another post about "out of character" because I think it is wrong to say Japanese Sonic is perfectly consistent, but it is correct to say the general idea was already set in stone.
The 2000s Sonic games never happenedShadow is non-canonMaria is non-canonProfessor Gerald is non-canonEggman has no family membersGUN is non-canonThe Black Arms is non-canonBlaze is non-canonThe Sol Dimension is non-canonElise is non-canonSilver is non-canonMephiles is non-canonSonic never turned into a WerehogHuman citizens do not existChip and Dark Gaia are non-canon
>>552621770 (Me) Followup>>552620667This is mostly a response to this postJP Sonic is older than western SonicJP Sonic already had a personality before western Sonic existed. It just wasn't in the games.To be blunt, all western interpretations of Sonic are out of character. I have to put that in words because there isn't really any getting around it. Out of Character doesn't really mean it's good or bad, but it's clearly not consistent with the opinion or intention of the people who made Sonic in the first place. Whether or not you find that aspect important however is more important than the aspect itself. In the end of the day, "Pure Japanese Sonic" is not the most popular take and probably not even within the top three. It's just the one that all other interpretations eventually end up rubber-banding to if they last too long.We all know by now that if Archie's preboot lasted any longer they would have shut down most of the changes made to Sonic and Knuckles's personality regardless of Penders or a reboot. Ian restated this to us directly. Windnic would have been enforced on the preboot comic even if it in itself is a mischaracterization of Archie Sonic that would have broken the story just like when Archie had to bend over backwards to "Fix" Charmy's character. It would have made the product worse for the sake of conformity.Even Sonic Boom would just get retranslated back with the characterizations from the mainline games when it first launched in Japan. It is clear here that no matter what anyone feels about it "Windnic" is the one that will be treated as the reference point. If "Windnic" is the standard and "Windnic" is also the oldest then anything dissimilar to "Windnic" is out of character.
To add in my TO DO list:Never, never ever, distribute my IPs to different subsidiaries. This ensures business control and clean chain of command.Also do not delocalize the writing, expecially at the very starting point of the IP. Do it only in later stages with strong mandates.
>>552622478Cool, what game are you going to do with this information
>>552621209No, they're also ooc
>>552622526Fucking nothing but i thought it is important to all the creatives. Sometimes i think about that shitty fanfiction with vampires i made years ago and say "what if i pull a bad comic out of it"?
There was everything wrong with amy.
>>552622270>JP Sonic already had a personality before western Sonic existed. It just wasn't in the games.Which undermines your entire argument. The "Localization" determined how the audience saw Sonic's character (and game canon) in a given region. So much so that Sonic Origins acknowledges this fact. This is also why Spinball had SatAM characters.I'll re-iterate, it wasn't until Sonic Adventure that everything was brought into line world wide. Before that, it was "Make Sonic act like what we think will sell best in a given region". This isn't new. Crash Bandicoot had the exact same mindset when he was localized in Japan versus his Worldwide counterpart. On that note:>NakaSigned off on making Eggman officially "Ivo Robotnik" cause he (and I assume many at Sonic Team) understood how fractured things were. There isn't an actual way around the fact that the current canon is the result of a "Soft-reboot". You hate it but it is what it is. All the old stuff, elseworld Sonics. That is all.
>>552622270 (Me again)As for JP Sonic.People repeat that Satam was relased, how could it be out of character if they made it and it was released? Would you argue that Dragon Ball Evolution or Ghost Busters 2016 are in-character? They are official products after all, both much more recent than Archie Sonic. In fact made after the point which Sonic Team started seizing control over all aspects of Sonic. Nobody in the fandoms of those products will entertain the idea that they are in-character.Wasn't Sonic made as a coalition between east and west?Yes. In Japan. The chilli dogs, girlfriends, guitars, and brofists were not part of that at all and Naka literally said he hated it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9h-4vQUHMNow Naka isn't Sega. Iizuka isn't Sega. Sega is a company and it doesn't actually matter to them if Sonic is in character. The parent company had no incentive to force western creatives to stay in line until Penders made an example of himself. JP Sonic is consistent, but not perfectly consistent.In Sonic X, Sonic is afraid of water and susceptible to mental corrupton. Sonic's official character description says he's not afraid of water and the games love to repeatedly reiterate that nothing can actually mentally phase him.In the original manga, Sonic is a shy boy who is possessed by the "Real Sonic". That Sonic is essentially just game Sonic. Obviously "Nicky" himself is out of character.In the OVA Sonic is slightly more mean spirited. The Sonic in the games has never shouted at Tails like that, but he has been somewhat callous before about saving people who aren't in risk of death.In the Blade of Courage, it is stated that Sonic never shuts up. This is out of character and seemingly borrowed from the movies. Consistently Sonic tends to have some of the fewest lines in the games even when he's the only playable character. Even then he mostly repeats things he's already said before.
>>552623007>undermines your entire argumentMy argument in short is that the western interpretations are objectively different and that includes the localization.You're assuming that my argument is that the westerners "Shouldn't have" done this. I think part of Sonic's success is the fact that they were allowed to. As you said, to perform best in any given region. I double down on "out of character" specifically because regardless of that, you are clearly not allowed to write Sonic with his early 90s western personality anymore beyond some verbal odities. If you attempt to mimic how he was described in the early classic era (ignore Nicky) then you don't get any notes (Barnes).
>>552623007>you hate itSecond reply because I didn't spot that. I have to repeat again I don't hate it. I don't even dislike it. It's interesting for what it is. Sonic as a franchise would be less interesting to me if it didn't have anomalous character changes. I am NOT a JP purist nor am I offended by Sonic's personality being changed in different products. But they are differences and I think it's fun to be aware of them. I'll call it out of character because it is. There is no videogame where Sonic actually behaves how he did in SatAM. That's not the same as hating it. I didn't grow up with it but I don't hate it. I don't think it shouldn't have been made. I don't think it is a bad thing if someone looks at it and sees nothing less than "The real Sonic". I am not in that camp or mindset in any way shape or form.
Man, imagine how ugly it would be if Crash autists complained about his localization being OOC instead of just shrugging.
I don't know why you're being nice to people who are so stupid that they can't tell the difference between how Sonic acts in the games vs SatAM or anyone who did not know that Sonic's japanese characterization was set in stone before the comics were even made
>>552624026Dogshit characters who only exist when Sonic is ooc
>>552623618powerlevelling and shipping debates on deviantart let that happen
>>552623618Honestly I don't think that's a fair comparison. The closest thing to what happens with Sonic is superheroes which are so old that it was inevitable that their personalities change with every new incarnation. Spider-man isn't consistent from iteration to iteration but unlike Sonic there is a list of rules to stop you from changing too much about him that is strict enough that most versions of Spider-man in any given year are consistent with each other.There's Pokemon, where the anime and manga use different rules and characterizations from the games, but it doesn't take long for Pokemon fans to get aggressive if you dare tell them that Ash is as cool as Red I don't understand why they like Red so much
If Yuji Naka wanted to he could have stated that Sonic doesn't want relationships in actual writing instead of some vague "uh he's like the wind and is always free" shit. You don't see him actually put a verbal stamp on that until 2004 and the western side wouldn't be punished for doing it until 2011
>>552621209Yes
>>552622547But it does answer questions people talk about. Like how he admires Tails intelligence but if he gets in his way then it's a different matter. He says Mexico sounds like a lovely place. Sonic doesn't know who Elise is. Shadow played chess with Maria in the Ark. They have a little brother big brother relationship with Silver. Shadow likes to read history and strategy. Abraham invites Shadow to his house to meet his family.Doesn't this sound like something Shadow would say?
>>552624549The twitter takeover answers are shitposts on the same level of sthg comics joking about Whisper being fat.
>>552624549None of the takeover answers are in-character. Not even the sincere ones. We already asked Ian about this years ago. They're just there to be fun and interesting. They don't actually reflect what we see in the writing. Don't be surprised if the games contradict anything and everything in them.
>>552624619Half of them are shitpost, those I ignored . One is just "your mama" joke
they're made without mandates and nobody writing the games actually sits through them for reference so it's safe to say they're non canon and ooc
>>552624716>We asked IanI thought a japanese man had to say if they were canon or not
>>552624619This franchise is a shitpost
>>552624871Sure but honestly has anyone actually been able to refute Ian when he says something like that "Team dark aren't friends" and the character bios continue to say that"two worlds literally means Sonic is an alien" and Pat Casey repeats it without even knowing who Ian is I think it's safe to say that if Ian isn't enthusiastic about an answer he's being completely honest.
>>552624619Maybe she doesn't like McDonald but Whisper IS fat
>>552624871It is possible for japanese writers to mischaracterize Sonic characters but that conversation is too advanced. You have to be able to get past "Sonic is not compatible with any pairing whatsoever" before you reach that level of character autism
>>552624982>if Ian isn't enthusiastic about an answer he's being completely honest.
https://youtu.be/mc_BTZM5Lts?si=E1P296Npz1H4gePH
>>552625274Compare that to when people ask him if Tangle and Whisper are actually lesbians and he playfully says something like "historians call them best buds"
Only now i realize internet was a mistake because it reinforces bad behavior, wrong beliefs and mental illness.
>>552625558He got that quote from one of his leftists friends
>all this discussionif it's different from the games it's out of character, everything japanese is in character. archie and satam are extremely out of character and idw is barely scraping by. If you disagree here it's because you're just stupid or emotionally attached to a shitty OC disguised as Sonic.
>>552625613We know
https://youtu.be/AL0kEKdgUL4?si=Wbmtgtwe3aczUyVj
>>552625543more like under new administration
Twitter takeovers are not canon and not in-character. They do not reflect the views of sonic team whatsoever. They are purely for fun and do not impact the game characters.
What's with Sonic and politics
>>552626090Have we considered that Evan Stanley understands Silver perfectly fine and just hates him
>>552625096Now that I'm looking at her actual sniper outfit, mask-down, I'm realizing how retarded it looks.
>>552626141i think she has a fetish for humiliating easy guys cause she's lonely
This general had me tricked into thinking Whisper had a big bust when even Sally Acorn was bustier
why did they decide to give her back her cleavage
Wow Blaze sounds like a shemale in japanese. Manliest girl in the franchise for sure
>>552626546because it's sexy
>>552625096I gotta show this to Ian and Evan, but they’ll probably just block me.
>>552625096Need more
You guys want to notice something weird that you'll never be able to unsee?You can argue about characterization all you want but Ian recently does this thing where every character talks the way he would. They say things like "I can respect that" in an argument (He has reused this line seven times) or talk in memespeak. It's like how evan adds a little bit of therapyspeak to everything.The thing is this didn't happen in Archie. In the preboot Ian didn't write Sonic like that, he wrote Sonic as a stereotypical jock teenager.
>>552626818We already know that. The thing is with gen z slang is that the internet made everyone obsessed with it to try in fit in or some dumb shit like that.
>>552626546Rumble is good, slowly people will have to accept it
>Rumble is good
>>552627680All edge and no point
>>552626818Social network + feminism ruined countless writers even good ones.Expecially social networks, because even when someone was an ideological nutjob before it wasn't performative to the point you have to let everyone know about your personal gay orgy.
damn, almost lost today's Wordle
the archie comics are ooc
>>552627891
>>552627891They are IC, i personally reviewed it all and you can absolutely trust me.
Do anime artists know how to draw noses?
>>552620667>The initial point still stands. Arguing about characterization in SatAM, AoSth, or anything pre-Sonic Adventure is a faulty argument.Anyone trying this is misinformed. JPnic was already around. "I didn't read the manga" IF you did you would know that the whole gimmick is Nicky turning into Sonic. That Sonic is already in-character. Nicky is just his younger self. It's still mischaracterization but the future Sonic is the same as the games while Archie didn't try. Your shitty excuse for Archie and Satam doesn't work. They were always wrong from day one.
>>552628012fiona is especially ooc in archie
>>552628238
>>552628238Like any first manga faggot you meet on twitter is already better than corocoro.
What is in-character Fiona then if not Archie?
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my OCyour OC
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>>552628373>>552628595OOC QVEEN (gallagher, penders, flynn, anon...)
>>552628807awf...
my oc
>>552629159i can tell that this is from some old animation shitting on sonic because unfunny millenials love drawing like this
>>552629643>My new original character BlonicBlame the culture of shitting on things being a personality trait due to this stuff being popular on the internet, and animators being famous for just how grotesque they could make a faceWe've moved on since then, animators online seem to actually want to make things that look appealing and actually like showing animate things they like
>>552629859I’ll say.
>>552621342
shitnicfags...
>>552630629I would like Frontiers a lot more if it wasn't for the final boss
>>552630629We already know shadow is the strongest
>>552630629
GOOD MORNINGSONIC IS FUCKING AWESOME
>WE'RE UNDER ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT! WHERE THE HELL IS SHADOW?!?
>>552631350
>>552631350I'm glad we got to hear modern Tails say damn due to colleen doing so many movie interviews
WE DID IT
>>552631487You know what happened last time, put it slowly down...
>>552627795>I'm afraid of anything slightly edgy and controversial or appeals to men in any capacity.
>>552631834why was the guy who wrote this absolute disrespect allowed to touch the games
D:
>>552631949
>>552632003https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLdQ1a4-JI&list=RDyBLdQ1a4-JI&start_radio=1
>>552632221lol
>>552631834It is jarring to see Sonic talk like this outside of Boom or Prime. I forgot that's just how he is with Ian. I don't think he was characterized like this in preboot? Someone correct me.
I will take Ian's dudebro jerk Sonic characterization over movienic's baby zoomer characterization and i am not jokingFight me
Which Sonic characters would be the most likely to have skin conditions?
>>552632714You're having Ian take credit when his characterization of Sonic is just the diet version of early 00s and 90s Sonic? Gimmie a break.
>>552631834>When Sonic has ego and sense of self instead of being hedgehog Jesus
>>552632806I think it's time to stop exploring new fetishes.
>>552632714If we can only have a flanderized caricature then Sonic should be written as a mellow surfer dude.
>>552632714Why should I pick between two flavors of shit?
>>552633283Because unless Imada becomes Sega's top guy, one of those two flavors of shit is all you get and you need to compromise.
Sega should know there are types of fans it should never listen to.
>>552632886I think more americans would like Ian's Sonic because he's actually full on cocky instead of the mini goku he was in the 2000s
>>552633014I was thinking about characters being relatable because I have many skin conditions. It probably would just devolve into weird fetish stuff though. Everything does these days.
>>552633515Sega's massive ego makes them unable to listen to fans, they just pretend they do
>>552631117You're a faggot and I hope you choke to death on the next cock you suck.
>>552634049Surge and Babylon Rogues are some of the only good characters right now because the writers let them have bite instead of being reduced to boyscout goody goods.
>>552634049I think Sonic should rape for weeks until her mind is completely broken
How would archienic interact with surge
>>552634372Sonic was too busy with his girlfriend
>>552634390Same as IDWnic.
>>552633709is relatability really that important?
>>552634458>Sonicis still a jobber. KWAB!
>>552634372Glazing powered faggot
>>552634616You can't glaze perfection.>faggotShadow fucked Maria.
>>552634578If you want the Tumblr audience than relatability is all you need. Otherwise no.
>>552634390>>552634551How would Fleetway Sonic would interact with Surge?
>>552634763I still can't believe we lost an entire writing culture to a bunch of faggots hyperfixating on representation.
>>552634181You call this "having bite"?
>>552635023Kitsunami is the true mastermind behind the team.
>>552635023Evan's daddy issues bleed through the page.
>>552635023Compared to what they did to Silver and Amy, yes.
>time to spam my westoid toilet paper and shit up the thread!Kill yourself
>>552635023Ass
>>552633571I highly doubt that. Just being cocky 100% of the time isn't a personality, it's annoying. Sonic wasn't Goku, Goku loved to train and loved to get stronger, like any Saiyan, he just wasn't taught to be cruel about it. Sonic on was cocky sure, but he liked to help others when the time called for it. He was a playful troll, but not cruel, not psychopathic as Ian wants to try to have him. Surge constantly brings up about how Sonic is some psycho who wants to keep Eggman alive to fuel his own ego.Sonic actually did try to destroy Eggman, but the good Doctor has an IQ of 300, he's very crafty, always has a backplan of a backup plan of a backup plan. It's wasn't Sonic being some cruel weirdo as Surge and Ian and Evan try to paint him as. Ian and Evan are trying to go the nuance route, but they can't nail it down because they can't write worth shit. All they can do is trauma dump and try to disguise it as another wacky Sonic adventure.
Blaze the Cat
>>552635023I have bad memory, but oh god if it's such a shallow writing every time:>WE'RE GETTING THE FUCK OUT!>>No, lol.>BUT>>No, i can blackmail you with your reputationDoesn't explain how, there is no counter from surge, she surrenders immediately and lashes out under the rain.It's simply dirty cheap and synthetic, it's fucking boring and has no real emotion, almost like she wrote it in a hurry.
>>552635670Okay I will be blazing the cat
IDW fags get really defensive of the writing and characterizations because they know it's shit. MangaChads and GameGods never act like that I wonder why
>>552635803I'll take IDW fans over Archie fans since while IDW fans are delusional about canon Archie fans won't accept that their comic was never IC
>>552635929Archie will be remembered while IDW won't in nearly the same intensity because Archie was just a better set of adventures even if they were strange. At least it had some depth, some attempt at characterization and world building and unique design that experimented and too risks. What did IDW do?It preached about gender identity and shit on the male characters. No one is going to remember back on that shit fondly, if at all, they'll just say: "Yeah, a couple of the female characters had good porn."
>>552635803This picture Sonic look like his cock would be so tatsy
>>552635929Cherade you are! IDWfags ARE archiefags. Late era archiefags to be precise, specifically archiefags who don't really care about sally. IDW is literally Archie sonics flavour. Forces was wannabe satAM, that's why they can't move on from the forces era because that would mean letting go of the last tie to Archie sonic. Knothole is the restoration, diamond cutters are the freedom fighters, Amy Rose is Sally acorn, and we got to see the consequences of Ian being incapable of writing outside that premise. Sonic "and the gang" need to always be on the backfoot because he literally doesn't know how to write any other way. You really think Sega was the reason they haven't moved on from forces for what, half a decade, and suddenly had to shoehorn in frontiers arbitrarily? No, if Sega hadn't told them to knock it the fuck off and add sage they would have kept writing bootleg satAM forever.
>hey bro, i want to quit>>lol no>*cries and pisses herself*
>>552634963Nerds and geeks (when those terms still meant something) are social weaklings. Once the iphone made the internet normalfag accessible, it was only a matter of time before they were manipulated, seduced, and bullied into turning everything into high school again.
>>552636649>Sonic "and the gang"This hit me like a bullet. This is the biggest issue with western Sonic writing
>>552636649>IDW is the Archie to Forces' SatAM
>>552636901An entire sub-culture violation beyond recognition, all to gain social points. Sad.
>>552628675>>552628807Fuck off Woefag
>>552636649IDW is literally a fresh start and the end of Archie was literally a "Fuck you" to the entire series, a complete erasure. Nothing about IDW is Satam.
Having Blaze be the face of outcome Memories in 0.2 was a retarded idea plucked by salty virgins and not actual competent designers like adding Sonic instead.
The super genesis wave was good. Everything about Archie canonically purging everything shitty about it felt better than a blowjob from an angel
>>552619330
The most OOC worst manga is still better than shitDW and shartchie's best issues. Only westshitter furniggers disagree with this.
>>552637331Everyone's allowed to share their opinions, even if some are brain dead retarded and utterly spiteful with a sprinkle of childish like your own.
>>552625543>>552626069>America removes dictator from power>American leftists mad at people who celebrate itHuh
Sonic the American Pig
>>552637237It's more in the sense that it's>a spinoff to a specific media and uses its status quo (IDW's set in Forces, Archie uses SatAM's initial premise)>Long outlived its source material, but still drags around all its baggage and concepts>Warps the expectations and discourse of the franchise with the (mis)understanding that whatever is written in there is what Sega intended, due to no one understanding the complete internal clusterfuck and degree of distance between the comic publisher and Sonic Team
>>552637582I'm sure Evan and Ian are throwing a fit about along with every other IDW fan.
>>552637237Heavy mischaracterization, constant focus on random OCs, zero acknowledgement of games coming out, big multipart arcs, weird constant focus on the more benign and civilian aspect of sonic and friends lives, character drama focus, it feels pretty Archie. Like compare and comic to the sonic channel short stories and it's night and day and that's an entirely written medium without being able to SHOW they action and excitement they describe.
>>552637582why were we even over there?
>>552637237> IDW is literally a fresh startBULLFUCKING SHIT
>>552637692Not to mention both comics have a pair of writers (Evan & Ian/Penders & Bollers) who are actively infighting with each other and damaging the book in the crossfire.
How is this character retarded to the point she forgets she's way stronger than the average blobian out of cybernetic implants, and could easily fry the shit out of Clutch?Why is someone rivaling sonic and shadow afraid of a mongoloid without a kill switch? Or am i missing something?
>>552637692>>552637723You two can't even let IDW stand on it's own merits without trying to tie to a completely different writing style and writing team. It doesn't "feel" like archie it all, it feels like a college student's ramblings on tumblr if anything.
Yep it's Sonic gaming time
>>552619721Easier to shear.
>>552637561There is nothing childish or spiteful about hating what Archie did to the Sonic characters
>>552637849The entire continuity was literally erased from all existence and all timelines by the end of it, so what the fuck are you on about? Does the concept of symbology completely escape you?
>>552637908Oh, I'm not meaning to sound like I'm pointing to writing style, I'm drawing a mechanical comparison regarding reception, effects on the fanbase, and how it operates.
>>552621491Shadow *has* been around a lot longer...
>>552637723Archie at least had the excuse that it was a satam tie in comic that simply outlasted its own source material. it's like if the sonic x comic kept going, you would expect it to stick to sonic x. IDW just does it because that's what Ian knows.
>>552637958Erasing Archie from all existence in some shitty end story wasn't a spiteful and childish fit-throwing session by Ian and Evan? Seems like something a bitchy, spoiled teenager would do when writing fan fiction.
>>552626141No, the fandom has always thought Silver was a faggot because of the 06 dub and Archie.
>>552637908>You two can't even let IDW stand on it's own meritsThat's because it has no merits to stand on> a completely different writing style and writing team. It doesn't "feel" like archie it allThe first 50 issues of IDW and the last 100 or so issues of Archie were literally written by the same guy and had at least one artist on both comics (Yeardly). The Metal Virus Arc kept reminding me of the Mecha Sally Arc
>>552638113IDW operates around identity politics and Sega's fear of Ken Penders and Ian and Evan's obsession with psychology sessions plastered onto digital pages. I don't see the similarities at all.
>>55263817525 years means Sally is technically the longest anyone has ever spent around Shadow and I think that's fucking stupid
Why is Evan a writer when she's much better as an artist?
>>552638201Because of the lawsuit they literally couldn't use most of what penders had written. The big fuck you reset was the cleanest way to tie up all his loose threads he left.
>>552638465Only person in the IDW with balls to lead the team
>>552638201The Super Genesis Wave was the fallout of the Sonic Chronicles lawsuit. The death of the comic itself was because Archie Comics decided to go all in on investing into Riverdale because they allowed that idiot editor Kaminski to nearly bankrupt themselves on useless temporary IP licenses for the Worlds Unite crossover (so he can pad out his resume before jumping ship to DC like a plague rat).
>>552638474and it was petty and childish the way they did it. Complete and totally destruction over just a clam closing of the page? Seems like fit-throwing and tantrums from angry children ripping everything up instead of just writing an ending to a long running series.
>>552626359
Okay who's actual idea was it for Archie's reboot to be in-universe the previous universe being destroyed? I have never seen a reboot feel the need to do that before. I'm reading it now and it just seems like a way to explain why the issues from this point onward drop every plotline. They could have just started it as a new continuity like they did with IDW. 252 issues leading up to an 06 style ending where none of that mattered.
>>552638465And she's not even particularly good at that.
>>552638057IDW is may be a fresh start from Archie, but it is, by and large, a continuation of Forces--the game one of the most SatAm/Archie-like narratives in the series, come to think of it--and not a fresh start on it's own. That's what the fuck I'm on about.What concept of symbology are YOU on about? The symbiology of SEGA not wanting anything to do with the Archie comic because of some sperg writer and their legal BS?
>>552638617Ian actually insisted on it because it was the only way he could get to PRESERVING them. That's why there was a plotline all about using Nicole to shock preboot memories back into everyone (that he was eventually forced to drop because no Ian, we're not gonna give him legal ammo).
>>552630629>gachaslop statistics>non-canon side media >blatant lying about Shartdow's feats (the Eclipse Cannon destroyed the Black Comet, not him) while downplaying The EndNecroskullrape Shartdowfags.
>>552638602It literally equates to "tear everything up and throw it in the fire." They couldn't put an ounce of effort into closing things up? It's ridiculous and lazy. I don't care about their excuses, Archie didn't deserve to end like that. Might as well of just ended it abruptly instead, it would of been more respectful.
If this was real life i would beat to the death with a mace that retard who keeps bringing out of nothing how ooc a shitty old comic is compared to a very shitty modern one with absolute no logic or emotional built-up whatsoever.The same talking point every day and this place is more an asylum than anything. Some people truly have no life, no family no fucking anything to do all day but posting the same fucking take already debated over and over and over again...If you're reading this, kill yourself with TNT, in the name of christ end your miserable existence.
I really fucking wish Randomfox would just fucking kill himself so he would stop incessantly samefagging and hopping on IPs to make it seem like it's more than one person.
>>552638706Didn't marvel do exactly that? That's where Miles Morales comes from and mainline got a soft reboot that wiped a bunch of old shit out of existence
>>552638465Ian jumped at the chance to start writing for the games and they needed somebody to replace him. And IDW loves DEI, so...
>>552637909i'm hoping you live alone so noone irl sees this
has anyone a custom model viewer for the Forces character creator?
>>552638602It was the lawsuit + Can't use penders OCs anymore + Sega said stop acknowledging Sonally + Sega Sonic act like the games + Ian wanted to reference DC comics New 52 + arbitrary stakes for the megaman story because nobody liked those
>>552631103
>>552638840They legally couldn't write anything involving penders characters it's not a matter of giving it a proper send-off. It was either cancel the entire comic and start a new mainline, or do the reboot. Both functionally do the same thing, any penders plot point dies instantly with no payoff because they literally, legally, cannot touch his work anymore.
Julie Sue "died" in the same cage Shade escaped from
>>552631103Good morninghave sex with sheep
>>552638826>>552638840>That's why there was a plotline all about using Nicole to shock preboot memories back into everyone (that he was eventually forced to drop because no Ian, we're not gonna give him legal ammo).Part of me thinks that's what truly mindbroke him and burned his spirit.
>>552625990Well the only way things can get worse for Venezuela is if they were no longer allowed to breath, since they couldn't even feed themselves thanks to Super Bigote.>>552626069Sonic fights for freedom
>>552638760All because Sega didn't have the balls to stand up to one autistic sperg while letting two other autistic spergs run free reign with their identity politics. Ridiculous. The symbology of them basically casting everything archie into the fire with their retarded Universe reset nonsense. I have zero respect for these nitwits.
I don't think anyone can really understand the super genesis wave if they are already against Archie. Basically imagine if one day Iizuka decided that the final battle in Frontiers meant that SA2 is not canon anymore because it breaks too many mandates >>552638881Wow you must really hate that guy
>>552639223You really misunderstand what happened. Penders won because Archie literally lost his original contract in a fire. It was a freak fluke caused by American incompetence, not by Sega.
>>552639082Should've just cancelled the entire comic line instead of embarrassing and insulting excuse for a story close. At least it would've left some room for the fans. Nah, better to just insult their fan base and punish them for thinking the wrong things I guess.
>>552634838
Welcome to McDonalds. What's your order?
Light Mobius Tails and his family are still around
>>552639431that doesn't answers my question that's just an AI generated image of a shocked Sonic and a Surge pregnant Surge
>>552639371Sega could've easily just told Ken Penders to go fuck himself and ignored his pitiful lawsuits and drove the moron into bankruptcy due to the legal fees, but they didn't do that.No, it was Sega's fault for not having a fucking spine.
>>552639445EVERYTHING
>>552635441
Guns and babes is all (You) need.
>>552639595
>>552639445Two Double Ds and an Ass Pounder with a large drink.
>>552639697No guns for Fiona!
I need Sticks and Kit to be in Rumble and the mobile games
>>552639770Lanolin is really thirsty
>>552639520It clearly illustrates how BritSanic would quickly impregnate Surge soon after their first interaction.
>>552639357Except the two problems of the games are the firmest canon in the sonic franchise and everything literally rests on them, and that it's also never happened and never will.
>>552638881He and Krack too. They're annoying as fuck.
>>552639445I WANT A SHAMROCK SHAKE!
>>552639830*BLAM*
>>552639830I never was really fond of rotor, felt like his balls never dropped.
>>552639759This is hard to argue against actually...
>>552639556Why fight for Archie's sake when legal shit isn't free for them either? They were already on thin ice in Sega's eyes for the Sonic Crying incident and generally being off the leash, and the loss of characters were all gaijin-made creations they had active antipathy toward using (as seen in the messy history of Tiara Boobowski, the would-have-been game equivalent to Sally).
>>552639967I'm saying that's why it will never sit well with Archie fans. Of course that wouldn't happen. All of Archie's best stories happened before the super genesis wave. Did a lot of gross things also happen? Yes. Was it all OOC? Yes. Is the reboot more on brand? Absolutely. But as a standalone thing Archie was better off when it was being weird and off brand.
Krack wonned.
>>552640114If I were Sega, I would of said: "money well spent, asshole. These are ours now." Just because I could. One dude like Penders won't bankrupt Sega and it would've been a good lesson for anyone who might've tried the same shit. It would've shown Sega had some level of self respect and actually cared about their IPs and their business and that no one would've bullied them out of anything. If you have the power to crush an annoying piece of shit, might as well just do it.
>>552635670
>>552640280i'm so proud of my wife
>>552637683
>>552640128Archie post issue 50 or whenever sonic FUCKING kills Eggman all the way to reboot was fucking garbage dude I read that shit and it was the most eye rolling pseudo scifi slop I'd ever read.
>I am a painting, so what?
>>552640616
>>552640647>eye rolling slopSo it's perfect for Sonic
>>552638831>>gachaslop statistics>>non-canon side mediaStill canon and officially endorsed my SEGA more than your crying lesbian fanfic.>>blatant lying about Shartdow's feats (the Eclipse Cannon destroyed the Black Comet, not him) while downplaying The EndOnly in your retarded headcanon.
>>552638407She was out of options.
I suggest everyone here read the 20 issues leading up to the reboot. It gets bleaker and bleaker. There is something truly surreal about watching the comic contort to the comic stipulations and sega demands before just throwing its hands up and decanonizing itself. It is not a fun read, it's very sad. It almost reads as if it was written by someone who hates these characters, but we know Ian doesn't hate any of them. He had no choice anymore.
>>552640709*paints over (You)*
>we need humans on Sonic now!!!!!>Nate Morgan:>NO NO NO NOT LIKE THAT >:(((((Why are Sonicbabs like this?
>>552638175Everybody but Maria is a fucking crackship you nigger. If Shadow is a jobber that mean your beloved blue paragon is an even bigger jobber.
I just realized that Fiona's Destructix redesign retconned her countershading. She might be the only female Sonic character that artists took countershading away from instead of giving at the first possible opportunity.
>>552641120>Rouge is a crackship
>>552641092I liked Nate.
>>552640868>I can only enjoy sonic through a layer of self fellating irony, if it's too good my enjoyment might become too sincere Kill yourself.
>>552635670https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&list=RDdQw4w9WgXcQ&start_radio=1
>>552639180
>>552637723>Heavy mischaracterizationSoJ still approves it and never threw shitfits ever.>constant focus on random OCsThey all had been made together with Sonic Team. They are practically official Sonic characters and Tangle and Whisper are gonna be on mainline games soon or later.>zero acknowledgement of games coming outWe will literally have issues all about Frontiers.>weird constant focus on the more benign and civilian aspect of sonic and friends livesNot different from Sonic Channel comics.>character drama focusYou actually don't play games or you're lying.
>>552641120I'm white.
>>552640936>Still canon and officially endorsed my SEGA more than your crying lesbian fanficDelusional mush-brained baboon.>>Only in your retarded headcanon >Shartdowniggers didn't even play their own game
>>552641384You think IDW is in character?
>>552641384You hate Donuts and Pizza?
>>552641226Rouge was also slurping Shadow's tears meant for Maria. Play the fucking games faggot.>>552641384>just consoom the westoidslop Kill yourself
>>552641630You're just straight up denying Shadouge then?
>>552641092It wasn't because he was human it was because of his premise. What was it again? He escaped from overland or whatever they call the stupid ass place humans live in and he made the power rings or something and then he got tricked by eggman into doing something bad or thinking he did something bad either way he self exiled with his gay yeti lover, it was so stupid I don't even wanna remember it
>>552641317How would you put Lanolin in the Sonic series *without* making her a military leader, but keeping her fake-nice-but-bitter-bitch persona?
>>552641384>SoJ still approves it and never threw shitfits ever.They do't comb through the comics very thoroughly unless it involves Shadow or sometimes Sonic.
>>552641557>one single page from a noncanon mangaKnow your fucking place faggot.
>>552641756They say so much bullshit anyone who believes them is an idiot.
>>552641737>fake-nice-but-bitter-bitch personaYou have to be extremely careful to write that and not make an extremely hateable character
>>552641384I sincerely doubt SoJ is paying that close attention to westshit if it's taken them half a decade to acknowledge sages existence
Shadow should use his tentacle powers to wield multiple guns at the same time
>>552641806So you like canon? The ultimate fart form.
>>552641723>You're just straight up denying a crackship that even SoJ denounces?Yes.
>>552641942>>552641756They do comb through comics enough as to like Tangle and Whisper and put them on Crossworlds. They endorse IDW and the girls will be part of main canon.
>>552623007Honestly that localisation was so retarded that the Archie comics out right ignored it and just had Amy be a separate character.Who wrote the us manual anyway?
>>552639371>lostI think he stole it from the office before he left desu.
>>552641920We've been far beyond any hope of careful writing from the east or west for a long time
why does no one ever point out that both the 90s manga and archie used the exact same characterization for tails and amy
>>552639697>>552639830>>552641210
>>552642051>she thinks shitDW is canonFucking retarded crackshipping faggot kill yourself. Your lesbian fanfic will never be canon.
>>552642159wew, nice! Is that a real product?
I'm having surgery tomorrow, can I get some funny or eggman pics please
>>552642051The zombie arc smelled like late stage Marvel slop but more kid friendly.
>>552642098Westoids screeched hard enough to get unvoiced facsimile of their favorite crying lesbians in side games, good for them, watch them be completely rewritten into different characters if they ever do get mainline game representation, further emphasizing how little IDW actually matters
>>552642253Niggerdow was raped by half a metropolis.
>>552642263
>>552639996You'll get my fresh, hot jizz mixed with some tap water and LIKE IT!
>idw fans when the games decide to characterize tangle as an angsty tsundere because she looks male
>>552641806>Shartdownigger suddenly cares about canon Shartdow already knows his place and he is pretty much used to staring up at CHADnic's crotch.
>>552642225Forgotten Sonic Facts already did
>>552637361I know it's not confirmed but I like to assume that shadow's cloned fetus was pumped with growth hormones so he would grow faster.
>>552642263Gotchu anon
>>552642259God I wish, Sega would make a killing if they made stuff like that.
>>552642438hey man can i have a sip of that too
>>552642434IDWfags are the exact same as diaperfags because you people are too stupid to tell the characterization differences between the games and your shitty comics
>>552642159>Clown shoesKek
>>552642438At least put some mint extract in it.
>>552641902I believe Evan's brand of bullshit because it's the desperate "create context like it'll help me" kind (like when she admitted to not planning character details until the exact moment she story requires her to with Lunar), not the "covering my ass to redirect anger" type that Ian's fond of.
>>552642535beautiful
>>552642253>game where Shartdow jobbed to a dirt-cheap Gamma rip-off and got humiliated by Emerl
>>552642263the manthe legend
>>552642286The Adventure games, Heroes, Shadow 05 and 06 all had stories that were largely contained within their own games. The only character with an arc that went across games was Shadow.And nobody really liked the stories of Shadow 05 and 06 until very recently.
>>552642606>maybe if I explain that I'm incompetent people will like me moreIs Evan stupid?
>>552642372Not canon.>>552642460You're a lying faggot.>>552642629He didn't job and he kicks Emerl's ass in Dark Begginings.
>>552642259Obviously no, it's called Soul of ChogoKin, and most of the letters are gibberish>>552642460Why does Sexnic make a raepfaec at Shadow here
>>552642263I wish you luck and good health, EggChad.
>>552642540>>552642598uhh...sure, (You) got it.
>>55264228606 yeah. You could depict SA and SA 2 in like two or three issues.>1st issue, setup, introduce sonic, chaos, eggman, tail, and Amy>2nd issue, adventure , find emeralds, introduce Tikal and lore, fight Eggman and omega and shitty chaos, end on cliffhanger>3rd issue, big reveal, omega defects, chaos goes nanners, sonic goes super and big fight scene saves the dayEz
>>552642347I always said that the Metal Virus Arc was like if Marvel did Infinity War immediately after the first Avengers movie
>>552642737Sonic just has a resting rapeface, don't worry about it
>>552642263Finally getting those breast implants done, huh?
>>552642743Yay.
Niggerdow! Shitdow! PATHETICdow!
EVAN STANLEY GIVES UP ON TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IDW SONIC'S PLACEMENT IN THE TIMELINE!
>>552642576Eh, was still good enough for me.
>>552642909Drawchad, are you back?
>>552642434Most Tangle and Whisper "fans" don't even care about the characters as individuals. They just want "Le queer representation" in a Sonic game for some ungodly reason
>>552642925>happy about getting to eat cumIC
>>552642434I don't think LGBT ppl have room to talk shit about diaperfags.
>>552642263Good luck
>>552642098Sonic Team has never combed through the comics very hard. Speedy went through the entirety of Archie without anyone pointing out he's supposed to have green armor and white feathers. IDW has multiple continuity errors. They don't touch anyone but Sonic and Shadow thoroughly. I don't care about canon marketing that also applies to Prime characters.
>>552642951>Sega doesn't care what we do over here unless we're really fucking up The West canon literally doesn't matter, Sega will do whatever it wants to. The like tangle, whisper and surge enough to pluck their designs and throw them in the games but that seems to be the extent of how much they actually care.
>>552643019>>552643151Still canon to games and SoJ approved and they will be part of main canon, Richmunk.
>>552642909I have a 9mm kidney stone and a ureteral stent. Tomorrow I have a ureteroscopy + lithotripsy + stent removal. 75 minute procedure, but I've never had surgery before, so it's a bit nerve wracking.
>>552642735>Shartdow can't win against CHADnic without handouts from his daddy >Shartdowfag accusing others of lying KYS faggot.
>shitnicfags
>>552642951It was obvious she was opening a can of worms. But they always realize their mistake after fucking everything up instead of being cautious and not answering immediately
>>552643263there is a non-zero percent chance that you don't wake up when they put you under and that'll be the end of you. Try very hard not to think about this fact. ily.
>>552642951lmao okay here we goSo let me get this straight , IDW is supposedly the "game accurate" comic that respects the source material, right? That's what we were promised after the Archie lawsuit nuked everything. But look at this Tumblr screenshot. Stanley literally admits she can't even answer basic timeline questions because "it causes too much discourse." The absolute state of IDW writing.The writers clearly despite Sonic as it is and want to shape it, mold it into their own thing and claim that's what Sonic was always meant to be. Archie was notorious for this exact same thing; editors and writers constantly bitching about the games and the cast, claiming their ideas were so much better.
Can you guys leave Evan alone she just wants to make wholesome moments
>>552643393thanks anon...
>>552643263Big oof but you'll be fine (and feel a hell of a lot better afterwards too!)
>>552643393
>>552643485You WILL come back to us!
>>552643328fixed that for ya.
>>552643485Oh right you wanted Eggman images sorry here's one. Look he killed the sonic.
>>552643263>lithotripsy + stent removalDon't worry, it is very normal, you will be fine
>>552643393kek, you're a real jerk.
>>552643393gee
>>552643478She wants Sonic to be an overly emotional series.She dislikes most of the storytelling in the franchise because Team Sonic will more likely make jokes when she wants a tender moment.
>>552643569Made to be absolutely fucking destroyed in bed
Uuuh yeah, so uhm... how do we get out of this >>552642951 mess??We're just ignoring it all? I wish canon was not a thing.
>>552643485Don't worry, you'll be fineand then you'll get some bad bitches to suck you off
>>552643618Eggman livestreams murdering Sonic
>>552643603It's not going to bring back your dick faggot.
>>552643240Nigga, I don't give a shit about ArchieI like a lot of the IDW characters, but I don't want the writers shitting up the games because that's what they're trying to get their claws on> "The games always had bad writing--"Get stuffed. I'm not gonna keep eating slop if I know there are better recipes that keep getting ignored
>>552643783Evan Stanley is the problem. Unlike Daniel Barnes and Yuki Imada, she does not want to write stories like most of the franchise. She is in this mess because she pushed for the stories she wanted to tell regardless of what IDW and SEGA would have preferred she have done.
>>552643721Sounds like she wants to be 06 Maekawa, which is fitting considering 06 and Silver influenced her to become what she is today
>>552643783There is a time skip and it happened, it's really not hard to understand
>>552643263Sounds like a pain in the ass, but you'll be out for most of it, just in and out. You'll be good to go in no time, Anon.
>>552643917Yeah I liked scrapnik too besides the weird worried sonic face that felt kinda gay but the ending was kino, the idea of mecha crying through sonic was pretty dope
Where's that Xitter screenshot of a Shadowsissy claiming every Shartdow fan is/will eventually become trans
>>552643953seems more like a pain in the dick
>>552643838Might've replied to the wrong one there, bud.
thank you chads for all the eggpics>>552644032it's a gripping pain located more in the kidneys/bladder. It wraps around your lower back all the way around to the lower stomach.
Is Japanese cannon really better than american cannon?
>>552644016>making shit upProjecting faggot.
>>552644032
>>552643263It happens i had the same exact surgery as yours, and well... the operation itself is not a problem but the stent removal was very unpleasant without sedation, you're gonna piss fire after that for a bunch of times you go for a piss.But don't worry, it's going to be fast and smooth, just remember to adopt a good diet after all it's done.
>>552643775
>>552644262>is the Japanese intent really better for this Japanese franchise than the westoid slop?Retard.
>>552644032top kek
Is Evan Stanley stupid or something? Like genuinely asking here.She HAS to know that SEGA doesn't give a single fuck about what the comic does. The games are never going to follow her stories. Sonic Team does not care about Whisper crying for the 50th time or whatever drama she's cooking up with Lanolin and Belle. So why does she insist on having IDW operate on its own convoluted timeline that contradicts everything?Look at how the games are written, they are self-contained. You can play Heroes without knowing anything about SA2 and understand every aspect of it. That's intentional. SEGA wants it that way. But IDW keeps trying to build this interconnected universe with its own continuity that requires you to remember 80 issues of bullshit, and for what? So we can get more idiot plots where Silver and Tangle act OOC and Amy conveniently doesn't recognize Clutch?Ian at least had the excuse of being a longtime Archie guy who could not help himself. But Evan came in AFTER the reboot was supposed to fix things. She should know better. The whole point of IDW was to be closer to the games, not to become Archie 2.0 with a fresh coat of paint.Maybe she needs to stop being concerned about building her own little fanfic universe and just write fun adventures. You know, like the source material does.
are we drawing today?
>>552644240Sally will kiss it all better once it's done nonetheless, Anon.
>>552644497Fuck off
>>552644454>Is the foid stupid or something?What do you think faggot?
>>552644572whoa, no need to be so heated, my friend
>>552644454>IDW keeps trying to build this interconnected universe with its own continuity that requires you to remember 80 issues of bullshit, and for what?This is literally just how comicfag brains work. They actively enjoy that kind of stuff, like how mmofags just love grinding for no reason.
>>552644454Well she was homeschooled....
MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>552644716Do they not understand how the games tell their stories?
>>552642951Erased the Archie timeline for literally nothing and can't make anything remotely as good to replace it. Kek. You can't replace talent with mentally ill liberal arts majors.
>>552644308Those were words coming straight out of a Shadowsissy's mouth. I'm afraid you are the one projecting.
>>552644909Does Evan even have a degree? I'm pretty sure she was picked up as soon as it was legal because someone at Archie liked her fanfic (from when she was 13)
https://youtu.be/bkyPLsRNQsM?si=x9cewjbiyMBGjVMB
>>552645017Unlike Randomfox I would be fine if IDW was not canon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio&list=RDW3q8Od5qJio&start_radio=1
>>552645096Yes she got it after working on Archie though
>>552645256Yeah.
Btw for those who don't understand what anon's surgery is about: They're going to insert a steel pipe up his peepee, Twice.
>>552645096She picked up her identity politics from somewhere and I assume from college like the rest of the weirdos. Also, if what you say is true then Sega really needs to investigate their company from the ground up and do some purging.
>>552644454>SEGA doesn't give a single fuck about what the comic doestrue> The whole point of IDW was to be closer to the games, not to become Archie 2.0 with a fresh coat of paint.nigga I WISH it was Archie 2.0. there's nothing archie about idw>but tis and dat are similarfuck off. archie also had tis and dat with the games yet you say "archie is not like duh gayms duuuuh"
>>552645563Archie was clearly its own universe.
>>552644454>idw is archie 2.0>posted by anon who did not read archie
>>552645563The dude sounds like a IDW fanboy trying to help that comic series save face. Pure copium.
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>>552645042>source: trust me broYou're a faggot. Your boyfriends on xitter aren't real Shadowchads. Kill yourself faggot
>>552645464He'll live
>>552645563I believe in Echidna Supremacy.
>>552645749The Restoration is clearly trying to be the freedom fighters again.
>>552645775no he's archieschizo. he always tries to find any opportunity to shit on archie. and thinks idw being garbage is archie's fault somehow.
Is Evan incapable of writing something other than therapy circles?
>>552645997Her Amy is decent. But that's really all the praise she's gonna get out of me
>>552643603It's insane how ugly this model is even when you remove the tranny gestapo armband. Genuinely top 5 worst fem Sonic designs of all time
>>552645985Same writers so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jao-NNNVY&list=RDr8jao-NNNVY&start_radio=1
>itt: zoomers pretending to be boomers pretending to like an era of Sonic they never lived
How would Sticks come back?
>Adds a bunch of women to the cast>commits to the stereotype that all women do is cry and talk about their feelingsi thought idw was supposed to be like the games
>>552645964>a group of friends going on action>"ZOMG it's le heccin freedum fahtars!!11111 ZAT EZ SO OO OO SEE AND NOT LIKE DUH GAYMS"sub room temperature IQ
>>552646252>orangeNever coming back
>>552645964yeah and it's absolutely nothing like it
>>552646297This is the opposite thing that happened to Blaze there, her fans want her to cry and talk about her feelings more
>>552646150Funny that those people can't even make the models feminine in fiction either.
>>552646341Sticks, Tikal and Trip should appear again and be playable in a main line!
>>552646307>>552646343Please explain to me how it's different, and maybe I'll take you seriously
>>552646297This is why we need unredeemable evil women.
>>552646595I don't know what's the difference between every echidna girl i've seen.
>>552646595sex
>>552646595Lanolin and Surge are the best candidates if the writers could even fathom the possibility that ladies are even capable of being evil. But I doubt they'd even have the talent to do it even if they did anyway.
>>552646307>>552646343Sonic working for a military organization wanting to stop Eggman is like the Freedom Fighters.
>>552646439I need someone who is actually good at 3D modeling and also isn't a retarded crossdresser to make a solid femnic model that isn't bimbo sfm slop either because it's dire out there
>>552646307>>552646343Post the comic panels where they swap out Lanolin with Sally
>>552646821This is just Sonic with eyelashes
>>552646553perhapds read archie and you'll see
>>552646750I WANTED EVIL BIG TIDDY SHEEP BITCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
>>552646245>Unironically posts a smug anime face in a general about a totally unrelated genre and IP.Holy cringe.
>>552646297IDW is written by tumblrites and a feminist. You need men that still enjoy tits and action. A shonentard or a coomer are the best choices for that because despite their behavior, they will still have a woman go out and do shit
>>552646750God, she's so fucking fluffy and sexy, I wish she was in a better comic
Didn't Ian want Surge to be evil only for Evan to want to insert her therapy and redemption fetish?
>>552646553>>552646783the restoration does not "stop eggman" because that has already been achieved in sonic forces. the restoration are a post apocalyptic society playing house. and defending an invasion sometimes.SatAM / Archie had eggman taking over the world as the world setting. and defeating him is the main long running objective. a long lasting sonic forces but without a retarded plot. you'd know that if you consumed any of the media you come here to criticize
>>552646750surge may or may not stay evil but there's a 0% chance of lanolin ever becoming evil
>>552646951So ABT should write?
>>552646823and it's not accurate>>552647012and surge written by evan wants to kill sonic in a fair fightfuck off already
>>552643386You expect a woman of all people not to act on emotional impulse, especially when they think it'll make people go easy on them?
>>552646750>>552646928Well then, I refer you to this: >>552641737>>552646924> I'M ToO ReTArdED tO ExPlaiN mY PoiNT, EdUcAte YOuRSelFOkay then
>>552647115And that's why Lanolin is a dead character. Zero character growth means she's basically a background character. Ian and Evan don't know what the fuck to do with her and it's embarrassing.
>>552646750>Lanolin and Surge are the best candidatesBUT ALL LANOLIN AND SURGE DO IS CRY AND TALK ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS
>>552647092They literally beat Eggman, and kill him. Literally 75-80% of Archie sonic is post Eggmans global defeat and it's just a series of smacking him back down when he or his cronies rear their ugly heads.
>>552647135Yes actually. Maybe give him some one-shots to see how he fairs
>>552647150IDW is crap written on the fly, stop coping and get some standards
>>552646923Sonic already has manboobs in his current design so giving him eyelashes and clothes is a pretty quick way to make a female design. The other problem is that most feminine clothing wouldn't really fit a genderbent Sonic, she would 100% be a tomboy
>>552643457>But look at this Tumblr screenshot. Stanley literally admits she can't even answer basic timeline questions because "it causes too much discourse." The absolute state of IDW writing.Only after admitting that she accidentally boxed herself out of making Sonic Frontiers make sense within the book after misleading everyone into thinking there was gonna be a timeskip (and Sega won't let her add a handwavey "it happened off-screen" author's note).
>>552647369>no rebuttal
Why do people hate Evan more than Ian? Not just the schizos here I even see normie YouTube commenters blame her for stuff.
>>552647092Which is why it makes even less sense.
>>552647352>a series of smacking him back down when he or his cronies rear their ugly heads.That actually could describe the Restoration, funnily enough
>>552641737Make her an HR manager and then give her a private mercenary unit when she inevitably goes rogue because of her inflated ego and short temper and clearly heavy baggage weighing down her mind due to something messy happening in her past. Then have her be a reoccurring antagonist for a while, maybe dressing up like a cute little slut like Lien-Da or Fiona.Like really have this bitch lose her shit to the point where a more experienced sibling or Sonic or w/e has to beat the sense back into her over and over again.
>>552647352>The comic is about Sonic foiling eggman's plans time and again>This is le bad
>>552647092This happens very early on in Archie sonics main run
Why do people say the lore is better now than Pre-Forces?
>>552647291the only growth she needs is to become a decent threat against whatever eggman is doing. becoming evil won't fix anything
>>552647583agree
>>552647486Ian has (or rather, had) a more defensive fanbase carried over from Archie, but I'd argue that he's still just as bad, if not worse, than Evan--especially when it comes to making excuses for his garbage decisions>>552647464This you?>>552646924
>>552647445She probably thought she could write in a detailed explanation. Even if SEGA would let her do an explanation it was never going to be a satisfying answer and she should have known that.
>restorationI though you said restaurant?
>>552647352>>552647631And he returns and they restore the setting because it's a Sonic SatAM setting comicRobotropolis got nuked? take over new megaopolishaving a static HQ is bad? build a death egg mark 2 and a death egg mark 3. then take over the world again.go consoom the media. I recommend starting with SA2 because I know you don't even play muh gayms and you only come here to rage bait and shitpost
>>552647303Well the writers should nut up and make 'em evil.
>>552646750>>552647303>>552646595In a perfect world, Surge would just have Scourge's personality and we wouldn't have to deal with half of the gay bullshit in IDW>>552641737Make her be like frank grimes from the simpsons
It's weird that Sega did not allow IDW to claim that Sonic Frontiers happened offscreen when Archie was in fact allowed to feature scenes directly from SA2 and then tells the reader to go play the game and fill in the blanks even though SA2 is completely impossible in archie's canon
>>552647806no
>>552647486Ian still has some inertia from his "good old days". That being said, it's been running out fast ever since Bumblekast (his main way of gaslighting people and what fans use to pump Sega's operational secrets out of him) got canned. He's starting to get some mockery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1mPmLxfRRU
>>552647486Flynn at least showed some competence on Archie, Classic IDW, and games like Shadow Generations and Sonic Dream Team.He also made every popular character in IDW.Evan Stanley has no moments of competency.
>>552647670I've never seen anyone say that but people that would sound like devevelopmentfags that think Ian fixed things.
when idw staff has redemption fetish you clearly have turn every female into a villain fetish
>>552647583Oh, shit--you might be on to something
>>552647547Nobody is arguing that episodic baddie of the week is bad for sonic, in fact it sounds like that's what everyone wants, you seem to have this weird stupid idea that Archie 1-50 is the same as penders/post reboot era when it's not, penders/reboot is the worst part of Archie, and that's the part that IDW is emulating and that's why it sucks. Duh. Nigger.
>>552646252She will show up in the Christmas island spin off title as the town nutter, Living in a rusted out RV in a cave running a conspiracy podcast. Occasionally wearing her tribal outfit in dumb rituals because it "connect's her to the islands native sprits".
Unpopular take but Ian Flynn in the last 4 years has been less hostile towards SEGA of Japan than Evan Stanley has been.Ian Flynn seems to understand that he is a hired writer meant to execute someone else's vision. When Evan Stanley is not allowed to tell precisely the stories she wants she frames it as a problem.
>>552647853"The Restoration" is just a spineless name for an organization, should've called it "Team Ground Zero", "The Reclaimers".
>>552648187No, not "Reclaimers", reminds me too much of Halo...
>>552647303>>552646595>>552647915I don't think Surge shouldn't be Scourge, because I can already tell some nuance would be lost.I'll continue to argue that Surge should be the Juri Han of Sonic. Not good, not completely evil, but wanting to fuck shit up on a whim.
>>552647954>I'm accessing the tarot cards now
>>552648152>Ian Flynn seems to understand that he is a hired writer meant to execute someone else's vision.No he doesn't. CrossWorlds was full of him trying to sneak in crap from Archie.
>>552648316>Surge should be a violent borderline schitzophrenic masochist who's idea of foreplay is kicking you in the ribsFor God's sake man my dick can only get so hard!
Evan is head writerSurge is getting redeemedEvan hates "biologically evil" charactersSurge is getting redeemed
>>552648152>Unpopular take but Ian Flynn in the last 4 years has been less hostile towards SEGA of Japan than Evan Stanley has been.>Ian Flynn seems to understand that he is a hired writer meant to execute someone else's visionNo.Ian keeps trying to sneak in comic bullshit into the games while SEGA has to keep changing the dialogue for the Japanese releases. i.e. Frontiers and CrossWorldsHe's always been a passive-aggressive motherfucker no matter to who it is
>>552648284Sticks and Sally leading The Banished
>>552648548Okay actually that sounds pretty fun, FUCK.
>>552648152>Ian Flynn seems to understand that he is a hired writer meant to execute someone else's vision. When Evan Stanley is not allowed to tell precisely the stories she wants she frames it as a problem.Don't be naive, he's even worse about being obstinate and "my way or the highway" because his response is making us sit through malicious compliance. Take Shadow during the Zombot arc for example; he wanted him to take off his inhibitors and still lose, Sega told him taking the inhibitors off is meant to be a winning move, so he makes him a stubborn idiot to force the same result.
>>552648031I thought we were agreeing, you don't have to be a fuckin' asshole about it.
>>552648095i hoped she'd appear as the third member of team Rose and let Big fish in peace
>>552648284Sonic is Haloand Halsey is a descendent of Eggman
paws
>>552648664Oh shit I responded to the wrong anon my bad, I'm the nigger ToT;;;
>>552648739Holy shit it's red sonic and master cheeks
>>552648284"Collection HQ", "The Overashers", "Team Ashfall", "The Phoenix Initiative", "Team Second Wind"...I could keep goin'. The Restoration feels like it was a "One and done" situation. Bare minimum levels of fucks given.
>>552648317You can take those tarot cards and use them to credit card her butt crack instead. Would be a better use for them.
>>552648316>>552648482I have a rewrite doc I'm working on where my rewritten Surge is like a female version of Fleetway Sonic, except that Super Sonic is the default personality instead and her less psychopathic one only shows up when she becomes exhausted or runs low on power. Her alternate personality is a timid NEET girlfailure to contrast with her loudmouthed bully persona, and the two have a relationship like Gollum and Smeagol from LOTR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2CNr692RESurge's redemption arc would focus on her learning to stand up to her evil psycho personality that Starline programmed rather than some arbitrary "ZOMG WE'RE HEROES NOW!!!" shit
>>552648638That is still better than whining that your stories have to be self contained.
>>552649014Sometimes I wish I could jerk off to Amy but my brain won't allow it
>>552649087>Fleetway Surge
>>552649256Satam fans hate Sonic
>>552649256I'm sold on right. one right please
>>552649256The Right sounds bitchin', hook me up.
>>552649379Now that is what I'm talkin' about! Kick that pouty bitch's ass.
Sonic games?
>>552649719This is so stupid. The entire exchange is not only obnoxiously written but also the antithesis of "show, don't tell"
>>552650043squirrel girl from marvel rivals
>>552649379>>552649798This dialogue, while not exactly how I would do it, is leagues above the shit Ian wrote for the original interaction. The way I'd approach it would be that Sonic does his usual banter only to realize that there is something legitimately wrong with Surge because she's acting completely unhinged. Surge wouldn't be traumadumping on Sonic because that's gay and retarded, she'd be acting like Juri Han or even fucking Zazz rather than some angsty teenage girl.
that flaw in sonic's logic is never mentioned again btw
>>552650043Sonic has games?
>>552650315Why does Sonic talk in this wordy dork jock hybrid way in IDW
>>552650505No?
>>552650505he likes to play call of duty like the cool teenagers of the modern age do
i really want to know how the hell kit wanted to beat tails
>>552650315To what end would anyone bring it up again? Not like Sonic would listen
>>552650530Because Ian writes him like that
>>552646439>>552646821>>552647387Femnic should be naked like Sally, clothes would just slow her down
>>552650315he looks AWFUL in this page, holy shit
i dont really see the difference between quitting and giving them another chancebut apparently the first way is acceptable for surge
Everything you don't like is le bad or something.
>>552650604Sonic fps soon
>>552650818his nose is too big
>>552650818They gotta make everything look soft and safe for their tumblr audience.
Why's nobody talking about this here?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4Xy5u65qI
>>552651085this is the only place I engage with the Sonic fandomif it's not posted here, I don't see it
>>552651085It looks nice, but I was never really onboard with Silver. If it was Shade or Blaze kicking some ass, I'd give it a watch.
Surge stuff isn't good, but I have to admit, Kit and Starline bits are passable, even well written>>552651085we talked and it's gay
>>552651085Some Blaze niggers got jealous for whatever fucking reason and started suffocating the thread.
>>552650913Giving them another chance allows Sonic to stroke his ego by continuing to play the hero, which Surge understandably finds insulting because it means Sonic gets to wash his hands of responsibility while enjoying all the hero worship of the ignorant masses who don't critically assess his actions.Quitting would, at least, mean Sonic understands his heroics were ultimately always a half-measure. Kicking the can down the road and allowing unnecessary suffering to occur. Functionally, both options allow the villains to continue being villains. But quitting is less self-aggrandizing by Sonic
>>552651258Shade yes, but Blaze? really? i don't see her winning against Rouge
>>552651085It looks ugly and the choreography is boring.
>>552651085Personally I think the animation is bad. It relies more on special effect than the characters moving
>>552651414For me it ain't jealousy, she is just hotter and cooler in general. It's a good animation though. Just a matter of taste.
>>5526510851) I don't look at anything Sonic on YouTube unless it's something from the official channels and 2) it has Silver so I'm going to ignore it on instinct
>>552651258Shade beat Knuckles with 4000 years of hyperbolic time chamber training I feel like that's overlooked too often
>>552650920
>>552651589Liking a shit character is a very good explanation to be a shitty person you're right.
>>552651543Blaze is an emerald guardian so Rouge doesn't stand much of a chance. But that's just my view on it. Chaos Magic is nasty.
>>552651085pacing is really slow
my god>i appreciate it, i really doSONIC wouldn't say thatother stuff he might have said, but that isn't who Sonic isHe isn't such an asshole
>>552651741Ah yes, the friendless slut.
>>552651765>Rouge doesn't stand much of a chanceFlip flop
>>552651646Very true. She's just not well known, but it would be fucking badass to see her going all out.
>>552651085SSS is complete fucking slop reliant on tropes that never makes a lasting impression on anyone
>I like to keep it simple>12 paragraphsRemember when he answered why he helped Elise in three words
>>552643171That just shows Sonic Team has inconsistent standards. They care more about Sonic and Shadow than other characters. How sleazy
>>552651948>>552651765Blaze haters be hatin', nothing new.
in sa1 almost all of sonic's dialogue is just general statements about what is happening with a "tough cool guy" inflection and I think that's fine
sonic team ruined every single one of their characters except shadow and the movies are carrying them
>>552652009>Wait, I have to read the comic instead of just smashing buttons like the games? Next thing you will say is I also can't skip cutscenes
>>552651958It's just a fun power show it's not suppose to be that deep there anon
Shadria...
What a completely SHIT and USELESS character blaze is.
>>552652009Jesus Christ, this is ass compared to this >>552649379Ian has no understanding of Sonic's character what-so-ever.
>>552652201>it's just slopyeah that's what I said
>>552652131>Blaze hatersThese are anons who are not mind fucked by nostalgia and lazy tropes
>>552652232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypZNiSHBb_s
omae wa mou shindeiru
>>552643478She wants to turn Sonic into Steven Universe - lesbians, crying, therapy sessions, and melodrama. The whole thing
>>552652335What lazy tropes might that be? A feminine princess from another dimension that can burn people to crisp ain't that common.
>>552652335this includes literally everyone including Sonic Team
>>552652421if he kissed her right here it would do more damage than any punch
/sthg/ in the timeline where the 1990 Tokyo Toy Show dumped https://poe.com/s/3yiaCkO8f3zHqFjO0ST7
>>552651948Has Archie ever NOT shit on a modern era character?
>>552652418AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
>>552652335>>552652604oh wait sorry I misread thatif you hate Blaze you love slop
>>552652418
>>552645519Only degree Evan will have is a degree in gender studies
>>552643478Then she can make her own The Adventure of Gay Sonic and Pals fanfics on her own and leave everyone else alone in peace.
>>552621209Here is a direct quote from Ian Flynn:"If you're trying to conflate the Twitter takeovers, which are obvious self lampoon, with the actual canon, I can't help you. You're setting yourself up for disappointment."
>>552652798She has a degree in animation
>>552652753Niggervok.
>>552652753Now that's Chadvok, not "IT'S NO USE!!" boi. Blaze would struggle with him.
Why is no one talking about this? This is incredible.https://youtu.be/TsvrM6ukvoc?si=MyXJow8fOqjO5mix
>muh Maria>muh tanabata>Remember to Open Your Heart and Live and Learn!this is what SSSlop enioyers want
>>552652593sonailsbros what the fuck is this? our sissy gay shota fox boy would't look at other men like that
>>552652596Another dimension MC, and a Mary sue>>552652736I hate Blaze because she's the definition of slop, 0 relevancy, 0 importance and 7 fans who use bots
>>552653016Sovlfvl kino
S loppyS weatyS ex
>>552653000What stage is at 1:33?
https://youtu.be/VS1rACKi7rE?si=6SGsmBPmVZVTZWVVDamn it I want so bad
>>552653076Blaze ain't no Mary Sue, she can her butt handed to her fairly easily by Sonic and Shadow and even Knuckles would give her a rough time.I love my Purple Pretty Princess, but I know she ain't some unbalanced Rey Palpatine slop.
>>552653249This makes me want to mess with AI slop.
>>552653016Yes
>>552653257She's a mary sue, her entire power structure hinges on Sonics power just because "she's parallele Sonic" and nothing else, in her debut she defeated Knuckles in one move, and she's a princess, and she has another super form all to her own. she's a complete stuffed female character with every power and good fortune you could ever give to any one. and none of it is deserved, she was just born with it.
>>552653428be sure that the boobs are big
>>552653016I liked SSS at first because super fighting and that's it, other then that i want them to be bickering assholes that makes the other want to fight them all the time.
"My dear daughter, your fighting style is sloppy and your magical prowess is akin to that of a flaccid Merlin. You need more training and less Human male chest fondling. You are The Guardian of the Sol Emeralds, not a Dancer at the Sol Pearl Palace."
>>552653757I wanna fuck this thing
TAILS NO!
>>552653757Archie fucked everyone presepective of body types, that thing is still a teenager if he was old at least he should be taller and more human shaped like Vanilla.
>>552653589I admit, her defeating Knuckles and one move didn't make a whole lot of sense. Would be nice if we could have a Blaze the Cat RPG game that takes place in a time where she trained to be a gaurdian of the sol emeralds. You raise some good points. But calling her a Mary Sue that's going a bit far, imo, overpowered? Sure, but a Mary Sue implies she's fucking invincible. xP
>>552654015There was an anon here some time ago saying he would dm this to Mike. I wonder how that went down
>>552648532The solution is to have Japan write the script and then get it translated it into other languages. I'm sick of this different-scripts crap
>>552653016Where's Philosophyfag, i remember him saying something about SSS and happiness?
>>552642263Yosh
>>552652195> Comics are a visual medium> Walls of text are visualDumbassAlso not everyone plays games to watch entire movies in between levels
>>552653589That's why the Blaze dying and being reincarnated theory is the best for the Sonic world.>No TanabataWho the fuck cares about Blaze world? Why would anyone go there? This is just a pointless excuse to make a game with different gems. Literally nobody fucking cares>With TanabataOh there is actually a reason for this world to exist. The sol emeralds are the representation of Iblis that was sealed inside of her. There is a reason to explore this world because Silver wants to be with her. Etc.But Sega is stupid
>>552653757What's his opinion about Blaze's boyfriend, Hikoboshi?
>>552652232A character can't be useless if they aren't used to begin with
>>552653984The rule of adults being around a foot taller goes all the way back to manga, before Sonic 1.
>>552653984I would've drawn him taller, but eh, it's a good concept piece.>>552653757>"Mind your own affairs you dirty old man!! I am doing my duties as you've instructed! Do not embarrass me in front my of my uh...friends! I'll prove you wrong and surpass you one of these days, just you WATCH!! "
The next mainline Sonic Team game will be an open-zone boost game with some new brainded intrusive mechanic. If not an outright retread of a previous story, it will feature a new story with high-concept nonsense that bashes 90s fantasy and sci-fi tropes together indiscriminately but ultimately serves as a backdrop for the characters to yap about their character arcs and interpersonal relationships with shit animation and voice acting. Everyone will focus on the spectacle and screech about how "we're so back".
Zavok is unbeatable and won every single fight ever, no matter the odds.>b-but he lost in his introductory gam-Not canon. OOC. Westshit. Nipshit.>b-but he loses in Sonic Force-Not canon. OOC. Westshit. Nipshit.>but-but Silver in Crossworl-Not canon. OOC. Westshit. Nipshit.>IDW comi-Not canon. OOC. Westshit. Nipshit.The point is Zavok won every fight and is unbeatable and every source that claims otherwise is not canon, OOC, Westshit and/or Nipshit
>>552654290Tanabata isn't about reincarnation, it's about star crossed lovers from different stars
>>552643393I'm sad this artist apparently nuked her account. Luckily I saved some of it, but still...Humanizations that don't make me want to claw my eyes out are so rare.
>>552654290How about, you know, make things less confusing and just no? plus if she could ever be shipped with anything it's better with either Knuckles or an actual duke in her dimension
>>552654290>I don't like Blaze and only care about Silvazewe know silvazefags>Iblis sealed inside herincoherent slop that doesn't actually mean anything to anyone
>>552654560I feel like these fags have never played Zavok and the White Samurai, nor have they even watched gameplay of itFucking tards kek
>>552654330*Strokes beard*"I never heard of this Hikoboshi before, but knowing my distracted daughter, she likely is flirting with yet another potential suitor, but from his name alone and his unusual attraction to my one and only heir, he sounds like he frequents clubs meant for flowery men a bit too often for his own good."
>>552654675>>552654625Are you guys seriously being filtered by a fucking reincarnation subplot? >>552654615Nothing more Tanabata than being reincarnated across dimensions
Insult americans take on Sonic and you will get bombed and your country leader taken.Last warning.
Barry is Blaze's husband
what if Blaze discovered Iblis thinking he could save lives but then gets brainwashed of that thing
I wish there was a Zeti design that didn't suck. Even fan ones. It's an unsalvageable race
>>552654907i only stand for 90s American sonic. anything else is slop
so many characters had blue eyes in Archie>>552655058I like Zillion
>>552654848>reincarnation subplotThere is no subplot. Literally everything says Blaze is from her dimension before 06.
Americans control the world, cope.
>>552654791I think Sonic and Blaze's old pop would get along nicely since both feel as if they'd tease her and troll her, lovingly of course, but still enough to make her want to commit patricide.
>>552655029I personally like the idea of Blaze taming Iblis, and Silver being corrupted by Mephiles who is trying to find Iblis again
>>552655084Based 90s Sonic Chad.
>>552653249AIslop really does have serious potential to replace human animation. Look at that, some scenes look actually legit
>>552654791Now what's his opinion about Blaze's friend, Silver?
>>552655058It's a race of monsters that wears psuedo pants with colored toes, nails, horns, AND hair. It's like someone tried to mix Classic with Modern design ideas and ended up with something that doesn't look right in either.
We can invade your country for having the incorrect Sonic opinions.
>>552655029Corrupted Blaze sounds hot. I'd sign off on a mirror episode. Could base Cinder off of it
Sally never lost a fight so Sally losing a fight is OOC
>>552651085The Naruto fight song made me laugh.
>>552655181This, it hurts my fucking skull how fags believe Blaze got retconned in any fucking way, there's literally no need to do that in the first place since she's a dimension hopper.
sonic is blobslop now
>>552655029I think we should castrate anyone who connects Blaze with 06 in any way.
>>552655515lol soon these faggot artists are all gonna get replaced, thank godthen we can finally get whatever we want
Tails bull....
>>552655519"Now why she'd befriend such a meek and nervous young boy, I would never know. But...she does need more experience in the ways of Chaos Magic both Positive and Negative, but Silver is likely to be HIV Positive in the ways of Chaos so I advise caution, for he has a hedgehog ass only a Zeti would love."*pokes Silver's chest with his cane.* "You need to intake more protein and less tofu, young boy."
>>552656070>>552655904>>552655181Seething
>>552655634Uhh...I just want to fuck the characters.Canadian btw
>>552656228Which characters, anon?
>>552656212This image only strengthens my suspicions that Silver takes it up the ass better than Blaze does.
>>552656228Your country is next
>>552656431No shit.
>>552651085Less focus on visuals and more focus on the animation but lots of respect, this is just being fan content is just admirable
>>552656431Boys with girlfriends can make gay jokes because they have nothing to prove
>>552655634If they don't want to fuck Shade and Blaze, then it's a squadron of Warthogs up the ass.
>>552656649Except everything to hate
>>552656156>then we can finally get whatever we want>"hey bro can you gen me this?">"do it yourself" / "I don't like that so I won't do it"Nothing has changed. Nothing will change
>>552656310All the big titty girls and elias
>>552655904>>552656070it's just silvazefags (women) who self-admittedly don't care about Rush (or Blaze generally) because their first exposure to Blaze was 06 and they got one-shot by chuuni dogshit and think all of Sonic should he like that game
>>552656836Peh, I guess they're no different than drawfags.
Tanabata is about two star-crossed lovers who 'click' together immediately, and forge an extremely deep bond. "You are my other half". They are then tragically separated. They are never allowed to truly be together. But on rare occasions, they can see one another again.Both Silver/Blaze and Shadow/Maria are associated with this, the parallels between them are pretty obvious once they are pointed out.I don't understand why /sthg/ gets mad at it. It's embedded into all four characters. It's far from their only trait, but it is an important one.No, being based on an popular Japanese love story that's embedded into their culture doesn't make Silvaze a shallow copy of Shadria.You probably didn't even realize Shadow/Maria and Silver/Blaze have similar undertones to their stories until it was directly pointed out.
>>552656845Only Elias? No other blobian males?
mmm...
no one will make my cringe but me, and thus I draw
>>552656205
Tacobaka
>>552657009Well Maria is fucking dead so it's hard to see them both the same way
>>552657143This is the way
When will these drawfags learn that their art is shit
Sonic and Blaze just have better chemistry than Blaze and Silver. End of
>>552657094Cuddle Target in range.
>>552657286but I know my art is shit
Sonic and Eggman just have better chemistry than anyone else. End of
>>552657286Why are you generating art from artists if you think they are shit? Remove their art from the machine then
dun wanna diegod save me plsuuuu....
>>552657009>It's embedded into all four charactersIt was tacked onto Blaze a year after her debut.
>>552657348Petting Blaze's head while she's still groggy.
>>552657286Nobody thinks their art is good, they just shove crap like their shitboard down our throats.
>>552657396Amy and Eggman just have better chemistry than anyone else. End ofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3vO0wuisrE
>>552657009>it's importantthis tanabata shit literally does not matter to Blaze at all and you can perfectly describe her lore, arc, and all other relationships without mentioning Silver at all. Rush and Rush Adventure are open and shut.Silvaze totally monopolized her character and crippled his for cheap sentimentality that had nothing to do with her
hellokitty for the latino proletarian hombre
>>552657057Most of them if I'm honest, but I need to be in the right mood for boys.
>>552657630>they just rape medeserved
>>552657559God hates fags.
i'd suck drawfag cock if they drew sonally but they dont
>>552657629Hmmm this is not the purple one I wanted. NEXT FANART PLEASE
>>552657094Listen here, Flat-
>>552657009>other halfBlaze's other half is Sonic. They are positive and negative, yin and yang. This dichotomy is embedded into everything about her, including and especially the Sol Emeralds, which go completely ignored by Silvaze writers (including Sonic Team).Silvaze is a fucking nothingburger written by hacks who repurposed her for "durr tanabata".
>>552657559God saved ya a long time ago, friend.
Deport venezuelan sonic fans
>>552658078>Sol Emeralds, which go completely ignored by Silvaze writersBecause reincarnation theory is real
>Mobian females will invade and take over the Earth in my lifetime.feelsgoodman eggman.
>u.u pay me one hundred bucks to draw shit but you don't actually get to own it.Imagine paying for art. Just get rid of those faggy drawfags.
>>552657831I'm surprised I've never drawn itI've drawn Shadally and that Silver and Saleta piece, closest thing I've done is a small doodle of them as kids as part of a larger sketch
>>552658281literally any other mobian female would be better than amy
>>552657559The only way to not die is to never be born. You already failed.
>>552658281The movie designs all look like carnivorous teddy bears. Still would
>>552658237>spoilernuh uh
silvaze fans don't even to pretend to care about blaze anymore
>>552657708I see, so you lean more towards the chicks.I can respect that
>>552657581...20 years ago. Move on
>>552658325are you retarded? that's how commissioning someone works. it's their art that they made, not yours. you buy art from them, but you don't get to make money off of it.
>>552658349I dunno, are you ready for some Shade? She a higher tier of Mobian female. Very dangerous.
>>552658459>I hate Blaze outside of Silvazewe know silvazefags
>>552658436You're assuming he sees blobian boys as "male". He's a fake bisexual.
>>552658497>pay me a gorillion dollars but THE ART IS MINE reeeeNo wonder why AI is winning.
>>552658582Rush was my first Modern game. I was a huge Sonaze shipper. Move on.
>>552658435They don't care about Silver either. They want him to abandon his homeworld and go live in royal lala land.
>>552658497say that to Francis I of France
>>552658403Yeah 06 doesn't exist so it's not reflected on her bio. Thanks for agreeing with me anon
>>552658401I know, the realism only increases the attractiveness for me. Movie Amy gets my engine revved up something fierce.
>>552654129>The solution is to have Japan write the script and then get it translated it into other languages.You do know they'll just add shit in the script under the guise of "localization"? The solution is get someone like Yuji Naka, who watches over the localization team and make sure they don't try anything funny.
>>552658281>eggmanHes waiting for the rabbit girls invasion.
>>552658620Darn !
>>552658638you are braindead retarded, yes, they made the art, it's their art. pick up a pencil retard
>no no I like Blaze >I just don't think she should ever do anything with the Sol Emeralds>and I want her to spend all her time with someone who she gets along with perfectly>and she should always calm and compsed and never lose her temper
>>552658847>>552658847>>552658847
>>552658859>>552658859>>552658859
>>552658325>Please let me know if you wish for the commission to stay private. You may be charged extra.Jewish as fuck considering that you can't use said art for anything because the artist is a huge scammer.
>>552658885>>552658907lol fags
>>552658885>>552658907retard
>>552658620You got me, anon.
so silvazefags are not real blaze fans and they have no arguments anymore?
>>552658885>>5526589072 niggers, a shitver nigger and an archie nigger
>>552659049I know your type. Stick to what you prefer and leave the boys alone, they don't need your fair-weather feelings and your future wife wouldn't appreciate your antics.
