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The Nightmare is Ongoing... >>552503597


>Roadmap Stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsCuVfILlh4
>Dev notes 12/20
https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11551068

>Useful Links and Resources
https://rentry.org/xtb66f3i
https://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/combatant

>Current Featured Banner
>>>[***LIMITED***]<<<
Sereniel - Instinct - Hunter | Starts Dec24

>Upcoming Featured Banners
Narja | Starts Jan14
Nine | Starts Feb4
Tiphera | Starts Feb25

>Current/Upcoming Events
Galactic Disaster - Forbidden Catalysts - Season 1 | Ends Jan13
The Great Rift - Season 1 Phase 1 | Ends Dec24
Chasing the Star's Trajectory - Login Event | 21-day check-in | Ends Jan13

>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?
Check the Rentry

https://czn-calc.vercel.app/
https://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculator
https://czn-save-cal.web.app/
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How's your grind going, bros?
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what killed the hype?
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>>552640073
leaderboard
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>>552640073
Me, I ated it
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>>552640249
Haru, you fat fuck.
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>>552640073
drama from retarded director
next question please
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https://x.com/i/status/2007755661745312164
>350K followers artist drawing CZN
Game saved?
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>>552640110
goldshitter getting assblasted by a sticker
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if your rank score is 1 or higher, kill yourself
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if you're playing this game, kill yourself
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>>552640754
Try me, bitch boy
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People forgot thatfor every Slay the Spire, Monster Train and Chrono Ark, there are hundreds of uninspired roguelike deckbuilders that flopped. CZN is just one of them.
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>>552640416
UOOOOOH
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>>552640809
CZN made way more money than all of those games though
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>>552640809
Retardbro. CZN trumps every single roguelike deckbuilder out there. From character art, story, and content, nothing comes close.
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do shitposters really think that if they make posts like these they're going to convince anyone? on 4chan of all places, contrarians stronghold

damn that guy just told me to stop playing... guess I'll stop. this but unironically TRVKE fr fr on god
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>>552640071
good, hbu

>>552640416
wtf?

>>552640716
cute
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>>552641024
SVPER

TRVKE

NVKE

NOVA
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>optimize my first half a little better to kill the boss 1 turn earlier
>10 turns let me kill the boss a second time on the back half
>only 15k more pts
geez louise i can't imagine those 1.3m runs. i heard they take several hours and now i definitely believe it although i don't really understand... how
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>>552640073
If the story rewrite is nothing short of amazing then we aren't going too far which i highly doubt because since E7 i knew Smilegate is mostly nepo hires
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>>552641029
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>>552641024
>do shitposters really think
shitposters don't think bro, they're shitposting for a reason.
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>>552640416
>cunny sereniel
Now this would be nice
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>>552641118
HOOOOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUARRKKKK THATS AT LEAST 1 RANK HIGHER ON THE LEADERBOARSD

THE HECKERINO 2 WEEKS OF FARMING A DECK FINALYL PAID OFF

CANT WAIT FOR YOUR STICKER!!!!!
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>>552641118
they have perfect decks with cards and equip that self kills them
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>>552641349
chill bro..
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>>552641024
unc having a melty
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>>552641349
This but unironically.
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>>552641118
The solution is to stop caring, I'm not sweating for fucking stickers
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>>552641743
did i say i cared?
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I hope the tower content in a week also has a leaderboard
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>>552641024
>Reddit spacing
I'm nyoooticing
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>>552641349
mindbroken over a phone game about mindbreak
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>>552641118
You'll get there Anon, just gotta hit that score on turn 2
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>>552640071
Im just doing weekly and dailies until the new season. There is also one last character to level up that i am working on
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>>552641823
Yes, because now your faggot ass replied to me
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Tell me why (You) aren’t pocketing an easy $12000 from the CZN art contest when there’s no competition.
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>>552641950
UUUUUUUUU
>*smacks giant lips*

IS THATT UUUUUH

SERENIEL?!?!?

WITH CASSIUS?!!!?!?!?


HOOOOOOOOLLLYYY FUUUUARRRKKKKKKKKKK

THATS SOO CRAZY AND BASED THE VARIETY OF BUILDS AND DECKS AND TEAMS IN THIS GAME IS OOO FUUUARRKING INCREDIBLY HOLY BASED GOOK DEVS DEVS OF THE GOOKLAND WE KNEEEEEEEEEELLLLL
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>>552642207
My drawing skills aren't up to par with the current competition sadly.
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from 3 hours of tcm for 1.3m points to...
3 hours of scs for 1.3m points
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
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>>552642207
Because this is the best I can do
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>>552641950
i can't because i don't really know what i'm doing. i don't know what the cassius "meta" is. i just use him to make triple 0s
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>>552642685
Now do her charm pose.
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>>552641349
i look like this and say this
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>>552642641
Reminder that Tressa and Cassius needed to be nerfed because they were gamebreaking and nobody finds prolonged battles fun.

Sereniel and Cassius needing 5+ hours to get the job done is perfectly fine though. Because she's limited and makes the devs money.
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>because they were gamebreaking and [HEADCANON]
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>>552643089
Bro just discovered gacha games
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Chaos is a ladder...
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>>552643089
>Because she's limited and makes the devs money.
found the answer for ya boss, in case you were confused
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>>552643154
Sorry, chud. That's what the devs said. They got this data from the playerbase who has been complaining about TCM since release.
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>>552643089
Yes.
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>>552643089
They aren't going to piss of whales and start another controversy when they still haven't recovered from the previous one.
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>first season releases
>new chaos is full of recycled mobs
>making decks for seasonal content here is cancer because of bad epi rates/dupe event having a shitty variant and not even guaranted to show up unlike other worlds
>9/9 nebula bosses are too easy and one time reward only
>both great rifts are just cancer, not even hard and fights just takes way too long
>release first limited banner of the season Yuki, who is universally agreed to be completely unplayable dogshit and a strong contender for the worst character in the game.
>Chizuru is at least usable unlike Yuki, but nothing noteworthy and we already have better void single target dps (Tressa, Renoa, Rin etc...)
>Sereniel is the first good banner, but limited.

I really hope they step up their game in the second season, or this game might be in trouble very fast.
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>>552643372
The devs said that some or most didn't like it, not that nobody did.
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>>552643089
no shit, i thought this was obvious?
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>>552643089
the game is heckin fine, stop complaining!!!
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>>552643089
The only reason it takes so long is because of Cassius though. The undo last action protos skill takes >1min to finish (which it shouldn't) and people are using that constantly to scum out better quest cards.
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552643089
552643437
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>>552643437
Yeah if only they showed the roadmap...
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cassius ruined both leaderboards execute that nigga
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>>552643089
One is a free unit that everyone obtains, the other you have to pull for and is seasonal.

Surely we're not that retarded, right?
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>>552643790
>roadmap shown
>threads become 1d+ slow
didn't help in the slightest
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>>552643089
It's almost like the problem is the synergy with Cassius and 0AP spammers and they already said they were nerfing Cassius...
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>>552643959
>state of the thread = state of the game
lil ESL bwo...
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>complains about Cassius getting nerfed in the future
>also complains that Cassius isn’t nerfed yet in a different team comp
Very concerning…
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>>552643959
Nah doomsissies lost most material.
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>>552644130
correct
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>>552643437
The game is doing perfectly fine. It's hands down the best roguelike deckbuilder on the market currently. But you blind retards are dragging it down, so I digress.
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>>552643959
are we seriously basing game activity on some thread speed? oh no
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>>552644252
this, the game is peak
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The best proof of life is always the presence of doomniggers.
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>>552644252
>It's hands down the best roguelike deckbuilder on the market currently
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>>552644545
I'd say any game I put 500+ hours into is peak
I struggle to play other games for 50 hours
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>>552644252
TRVKE, the game is peak
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>>552641950
game turned into chaos netdeck nightmare faster than I thought
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>0/8000
I should have been concerned about sereniel the game's so boring now...
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>>552644841
the game...is...peak...
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>>552644809
I honestly hope they do away with leaderboard faggotry starting season 2.
It unironically ruins the game.
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>>552640416
She can senmetsu my penis if you catch my drift
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This game is peak.
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>>552645146
just ignore it retard bro
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the last few posts made me concerned
i also play and post a lot about games that i actually hate
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>>552641118
How the hell did you score lower than me with more turns?
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>>552644252
this game is a fucking disgrace to actually good roguelike deckbuilders
it's literally just 3 niggas in a row with rng
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what killed the hype?
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>>552645146
You just sound like a goldshitter.
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Is the coordinated attack worth anything, or do I just try to complete a basic-bitch version with 4 of the 'move at turns start' version?
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>>552645365
He's a goldshitter who can't into roguelite deckbuilders.
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>>552644252
Just you wait for Card-en-Ciel 2
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>>552645483
pretty sure it's poop
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>>552645413
I just don't find the autistic grind and endless resetting perfect rng fun.
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>>552645647
Oh… mhm. I see…
HOW THE FUCK DID YOUR FIRST TEAM WORK?
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>>552645709
Contrary to popular belief, Chizuru is in fact not a brick.
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>>552645647
Can you post your Save Datas? I assume your Tressa isn’t the Healing Dagger build? Chizuru is actually the DPS?
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>>552643437
Crazy we still have 1 month left to go until next season. I'm thinking a lot about what the new chaos will be. Lab 0 is awful on purpose on so many levels, I'll be really mad if chaos #7 is also a downgrade just to fuck with us.
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>>552645838
Even without healing dagger spam Tressa is insanely good.
But yeah Chizuru is the main DPS.
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>>552645146
Big disagree. I've been a long time advocate for seasonal ladders and the way they're doing it is perfect for a pve game. It creates replayability and variety. As the meta evolves throughout a season there's an incentive to grind out new decks. No one was out there grinding Selena decks until Sereniel showed up and theory crafters put 2 and 2 together. Then everyone went out and started doing runs for Selena who was a contender for least useful combatant in the game. New seasons will bring new metas with new things to look for. With no leaderboard and everyone existing in a vacuum, you would treat the great rift like the the nebula bosses where it's just one and done and then there's nothing left to do. With a leaderboard there's a motivation to do better to improve your score. And maybe you don't care about that, and that's fine, but you can also just ignore it and ignore the meta and do one run once a season and get 125k pts and your one time rewards and then go do whatever else you wanted to do, same as if there was no leaderboard.
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>>552643089
>>552643196
>>552643354
>>552643389
>>552643427
>>552643487
>>552643691
>>552643756
>>552643893
>>552644129
Cassius is the common denominator
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>>552643089
I wonder if this general is just full of people coming from non-gacha games bitter about a gacha getting into their lane
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>>552646092
true
>>552646105
true
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>>552646049
Thank you. Can you post your Tressa’s too? The prospect of a different Tressa deck is really enticing
Also I’m still not understanding how your Chizuru did so much. I have a Chizuru with a close build (lacking the divines though) but I don’t deal as much damage
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>>552646092
Sure yeah, but you forgot the fact that only the 2nd half matters and that leads to there only being one (1) team with a very specific build you see everybody running.
That is the polar opposite of variety.
Cassius was a mistake.
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>>552645365
because i'm not really trying. my decks aren't very good and i know they're not but i don't want to spend hours trying to make a perfect cassius deck. i don't even know what a good cassius deck looks like. i'm just using the first save data i ever got that had the "choose" one eye popper to choose triple 0.
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>>552640073
no Yuki buffs
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>>552646414
Hours? Took me 2 runs to get my decks ready for this.
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>>552646414
The thing is: your deck has to be good to get 5 bonus turns
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>poor
>part time wagie
>debt
>dont get paid until after her banner ends
Bros talk me out of it.....
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>>552646383
>that leads to there only being one (1) team with a very specific build you see everybody running.
Damn it's almost as if that's... the meta
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>>552646451
Compare Yuki sales to Sereniel sales. Imagine if their kits were swapped and Yuki became the Xmas banner instead. Faggots just threw money down the drain/
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>>552640416
thats ai
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>i don't care about the leaderboard
>but i actually care a lot and can't stop posting about how little i care
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I hope future events arent like this
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>>552646476
congrats bro
>>552646534
yeah, my first half decks are pretty good. i mean i've been using tressa and mika for 2 months now so i have some pretty good decks for them. but that's not where the big score comes from now is it
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>>552646358
I just repurposed an old deck, despite only having 2 healing cards it's still miles better than any other shadow dagger epiphany.
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This is a road to GM match btw. This kusoge rigs so much that I'm struggling against a t3 deck.
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>>552646579
just wait a month till we get the next source code...
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>>552646739
I wonder how many extra boss kills it takes to get that extra 40k. I wish we had more detailed stat breakdowns than just seeing their decks.
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>>552646857
>weeb hearthstone
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>>552646857
Shadowtardbro?
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>>552646857
swordbab...
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>>552646605
Retard, thats a big artist
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>>552646832
Thanks bro
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>>552646739
>TCM
>SCS
Hmm, I wonder what the common denominator is... Oh, I know, let's nerf Tressa!!!!
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>>552647513
I dont think the problem is one specific combatant. If they nerf cassius to the ground someone else will take his spot. They should balance the game in a way that can make multiple teams shine instead of just buy the team on banner and win the game.
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Have you guys never played a gacha game before? Tower isn't content... It's basically chore...
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>>552647652
Not him but tell me another combatant that gives you infinite morale and fortitude whilst healing and drawing you cards.
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>>552647513
They're nerfing Cassius too...
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>>552646864
But what if we dont get one.....
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>>552648558
They confirmed we get 1 per season
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>>552646579
have you gotten the buyable egos from the shop?
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Is this neutral card crap and should I abandon working on Rei and focus on Tressa instead? Tressa got the dmg x 4 and 6 agony card.
The Rei card was a replace though so she's only 40/140 memory compared to 80/140 on Tressa
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Should i dupe eternal hunger tho I don't have enough adagio, at 100/170 and I will probably remove the converted neutral card later to make more space.
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>>552649547
the strike of darkness is not good i think
>>552649550
sorry bwo i have no idea
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>When an ally inflicts Ravage, 1 Overclock to the assigned Combatant
Wait does this mean that if Sereniel is the one breaking, the effect doesn't proc?
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>>552649547
>Is this neutral card crap
a bunch of cassius have it in the leaderboard, you can combine it with the trinket that auto activates lead cards
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>>552649550
Just dupe Adagio
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>>552649826
she counts as an ally
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>>552649826
Doesn't say "When an ally except for the assigned combatant" so it should be good.
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What Forbidden Cards should I get for either Sereniel or Rei?
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>>552650040
this one is the best on all >>552649550
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>>552649850
Ya but that's casius who gives big hand. With Rei you don't really have big hand.
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>>552649826
It works on Sereniel, you can test it in simulation if you're still unsure
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>>552650040
Probably the "increase hit per 4 cards in hand, draw per hit" Forbidden card. Eternal Hunger requires a reliable way to discard it and if you don't have it then you're effectively -1 in hand space every turn in Rearguard.
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Can you get Forbidden Cards from the "select and obtain among X legendary card" events?
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>>552649857
I'm wondering if future units also have discard features like nia, then having 2 eternal hunger on a single unit might have more use.
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>>552640416
well, if sereniel actually looked like that i would still be doing chaos runs. man, this game fucking sucks and it makes me angry
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found a youtube channel with hypno porn as well as chizuru videos, curious
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>>552650552
Future units will inevitably be sidegrades/upgrades of previous units, but it'll be a long time before we get another discard support I feel.
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How long until we get a unit who focuses specifically on piercing damage?
We have Nika's ballista and the atomic decompression card, but no one who goes through shields.
But then would that make characters who do more damage against shielded units inferior?
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>>552650552
Someone has to eventually. There will be a 5 star support that has cards that can't be played and only activate when discarded and will be a deck manipulating monster
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>>552644252
what are you, some kind of underaged retard? those of higher IQ usually notice cracks sooner than the unwashed masses. you clearly do not belong here, most in here have an IQ of 90+. the game is going downhill. as always, it takes time for normalfags and retards like you to realize this. if the fixes this month wont actually fix things but be yet another monkey paw shit like they pulled 4 times since release, then this game will quickly turn into another e7-like failure.
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>>552650893
They'll put this guy in the game some day
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>>552650810
true, I guess I'll dupe adagio, having two eternal hungers with a single adagio will def be much more difficult to play
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>>552650893
Selena as main dps with Rei to buff damage and Nia/Cassius to mill/reshuffle
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Waiting for CZN to grow big enough to have this kind of tier list.
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>>552651814
Waiting for WW3 so your country sends you to die
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>>552651095
>what are you, some kind of underaged retard?
wouldnt you like to know
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>>552651968
>replying to rhetorical questions
you are :D
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>>552651095
>the game is going downhill
Proof? Sounds like you're an asshurt Goldshitter.
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>>552648972
I have 1 more available.....
And 0 memories.....
And pity is 70.......
And it's not a gaurenteed titty angel
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>get the void elite that deletes cards from your deck for that fight
>It deletes ALL Of renoas bullet generating cards before i can even use them
say sike right fucking now.
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>>552646589
if you can only do well with 1 very specific team then thats not meta thats just lazy game balance.
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>>552653670
It's still a gacha, they always pick specific characters they want to be better than everyone else. Not much you can do about that since it's not lazy game balance, it's malicious game balance.
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>>552649550
>2nd last fight, sir kowalski shows up
>2/7 chance to dupe adagio
>sir kowalski/pale shooting star/curiosity says hello
Oh well, still a nice Nia deck, ofc confiscation had to hit a divine epiphany on +1 morale so I couldn't pick it.
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>>552650552
Forbidden hunger is a season 1 card. Even when we get more discard support, hunger will no longer be a card in the rotation, so we'll have to wait and see if something similar to it appears in the next seasons.
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>>552639990
from the last thread for all Mei-Ling lovers:

https://arca.live/e/49078?target=tag&keyword=%EC%B9%B4%EC%A0%9C%EB%82%98&p=1

https://arca.live/e/48869?target=tag&keyword=%EC%B9%B4%EC%A0%9C%EB%82%98&p=1
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>>552653670
You can get over 1mil with a lot of different teams though
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>>552653670
>if you can only do well with 1 very specific team
Damn that's crazy, it's almost as if that's... the meta
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>>552654161
bwo? you sure?
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>>552653841
>its still a gacha
>malicious game balance

Make your game more interesting or i wont play it as im sure other people wont as well. It being a gacha doesnt exempt it from any kind of criticism.
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>>552654134
>Ling
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Okay so the anon that said "remove 2 counts as 1" is a blatant liar, since i chose remove 2 from "forbiden scripture" and it gave me fucking 80 load.
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>>552653670
What's your definition of "do well" though? Top 100? 1M+ points? In the case of 1M+ points, this picrel is a good example of not needing Sereniel.
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>>552654262
I'm telling you every gacha does that intentionally. Whenever they have leaderboards a character or group of characters will completely dominate them. If you want a game that doesn't do that, the only alternative is to play a non-gacha game.
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>>552654197
Games can have a metagame and still allow for multiple different characters to be used to win. Top 100 in leaderboards is CSS maybe give or take 3 people
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>>552654398
>T
>C
nyo, i don't think so
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>>552654398
Masters at least and Top 100 would be "doing well", yes.
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>>552654361
bro...
just load a calculator, do you see a "remove 2" button in any of them?
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>>552654251
Yes
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Who build next?
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>>552654685
Haru is really bad. The other two are fine. You have them ordered from the strongest to the weakest
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>>552654561
You're just noticing the consequences of optimization. Of course there's one optimal solution, and the top 1% are going to be the ones using it. It has nothing to do with game design.
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>>552654436
I understand the logic behind what youre saying but youre generalizing. There are plenty of gacha that offer alternatives to do well other than the seasonal banner at the time.
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>>552654561
So only 1% of the entire leaderboard and 100 autists are doing well. What a generous cutoff for your game balance proposition lmao (it's not)
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>>552654869
>>552654947
>defending shit game design this hard
How much is SlimeGOOK paying you faggots?
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>>552654869
Yeah, games that have been around for years and have a huge roster of characters
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>>552654807
Better game balance would allow for more diverse optimization. Other than CSS being completely overpowered the current rift favours sereniel and selena way too much. They could easily add different multipliers to the event to allow for other comps to shine making the game more fun. I wanna use the resources i have in a creative way not roll for the shilled characters of the banner anytime to have a shot at doing well.
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loliGAWDS we losted...
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>>552640407
>drama from retarded director
elaborate please, I come here once a week and don't follow news, I only fap to Tressa
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>>552654982
im literally arguing about how shit the game design and balance is. Reading comprehension?
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>>552654982
Assblasted mongoloid. I accept your concession.
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>>552654575
lmk when you have proof
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>>552655297
>>552655321
samefag
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>>552655452
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>>552654869
Those games don't necessarily shill the banner character, sometimes they are shilling someone else, but I assure you, the actual peak of performance in any content will always be very homogeneous. You will have variety at lower ranks, just like you have variety when you look at our lower ranks, but to actually do reach a very high performance, your options will be very limited.
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>>552640071
Average
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>>552655508
>LOOK MOM I CAN USE INSPECT ELEMENT
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>actually many different teams can get over 1mil
>posts tressa cassius
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>>552655508
congratulations samefag, you know how to inspect element!!
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>>552655528
Anon, did you find out about the existence of meta today or something? This holds true for every single game. This has nothing to do with a game being poorly designed which CZN is not. If anything, it shows that this is a very well designed game.
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>>552655605
>>552655673
>implying i care enough to do that

have sex bro jesus christ
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>>552654685
Haru then Chizu.
Forget the furry (unless you're gay)
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this general? all me
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>>552655608
Not that it matters, that nigga wanted to be top 100 with Amir
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>>552655608
I keked
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>>552655763
What's the sex meta? I feel like a fartsniffing pseudo intellectual moron like you would try to optimize the fun out of everything.
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>>552656096
>What's the sex meta?
put your thumb in her ass
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The bonus and additional damage mentioned in Selena skill is extra damage right? Cause I don't want to find out that it's something else after farming the fragments.
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>>552656096
having long hair and tattoos to attract goth girls
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https://exhentai.org/g/3722124/de8c143e8c/
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>>552656276
also works for attracting goth gays
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That's a nice doujin HOWEVER

https://exhentai.org/s/bba5e069a9/3686697-26
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>>552656598
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>>552656378
I miss when 4chan wasnt full of fags. I preferred the racists
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>>552656708
UH OH WHITE DICKLET MAD
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>>552655836
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>>552657134
Why don't (you) make some fan arts then fag?
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your taste in art and posts is... concerning
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why is orlea such a brick when she's supposed to be the director's favorite and ingame is always hitting on the us?
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>>552657364
>why is orlea such a brick
Based on what metric?
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>>552654264
>>552654134
whoops, I meant, Mei Lee
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>>552657483
based on nia and mika being infinitely more useful than her
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>>552657364
just say that ur poor lil tim
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>>552657364
Directors favorite was Renoa anon.
His self insert (Louis) was even going to "steal" her from (you) lmao
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I am already 99% sure there’s fake rng in this game because I’ve been counting and out of 50 runs since I’ve started counting 90% of the divines happens to my Mika. That is way too skewed to be considered pure rng. In contrast even though I’ve ran Sereniel more than Mika who swaps sometimes with Nia cause I was building Nia, the amount of times Sereniel got a divine outside of the tunnel is less than 10%, and basically never for the first part where it’s possible to get mutant sample. This is insane rng.
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>>552657662
this is a copypasta btw
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>>552657626
>His self insert (Louis) was even going to "steal" her from (you) lmao
UNFATHOMABLY BASED
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honestly I'd be all down for louis taking renoa she's an annoying bitch
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>the type of gift you can receive after a date depends on the date location
Holy shit wish I knew this sooner...
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>>552657974
woah a mechanic in CZN
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>>552657967
True, she sucks.
They tried to make a Tsunerde mixed with a Kuudere but she ends up being an annoying bitch kek
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>>552657967
only if Yuki takes the place of main heroine
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>>552658323
nah you get to choose a girl or guy to be your sidekick and the overworked gooks should make entire storylines different depending on who you chose
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>>552658187
Her young version is better.
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>>552640416
Holy sex
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>>552658802
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>>552659072
sucks that she's just gonna be sereniel's bitch
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>>552659773
they can't keep showing loli versions during every trauma scene
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>>552640416
These are the perfect proportions for a woman.
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>>552659918
Proof?
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MILK
also
>already at 4000/8000
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This seems pretty okay
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>>552662359
Need more MILK!
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>>552662463
OK for what? Daily farming stages?
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>>552662463
bro you can get much better stuff like the strike upgrade or the resonating for 1 cost or less
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>>552662463
bruh
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>>552662463
>>552662632
or this for giga draw
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How do you get the calculator to properly handle removing converted basics for -10 cost each?
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>>552662632
I don't see how that's better.
You have less morale cards. Morale is important.
You have +50% damage amount to one card instead of all.
+1 AP doesn't work with Chizuru.
It has more healing?
It has less draw for the AP cost since that neutral is 1 cost while gear bag and chilling godfather are free.
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>>552662898
i use this one https://czn-save-cal.web.app/
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>>552662760
FAT FUCK
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>>552663116
yeah idk about chizu chuu
i use these decks with mei lin and tressa
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>>552663153
Doesn't work there either
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>>552654451
>Top 100 in leaderboards is CSS maybe give or take 3 people
Do you think that might be because "CSS" is... the meta?
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>>552663926
not sure what you mean, mutagen remove is for free
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>>552665993
We love having hope around here
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How do you farm a Chizuru deck in Chaos? I don't assume going Veronica+Mika would be a good idea.
... would it?
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Imagine the emotionless sex
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>>552667301
Sereniel carry
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Good enough? I just can't get a 3rd copy with the right scope
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>>552667571
At least it'd be nice and squishy.
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>>552668012
Good enough depends on what you're trying to do. You can probably get gold with it. But not platinum.
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>>552668012
>no mutant sample conversion
Ouch. Definitely good enough, but converting a basic card to a remove tag card would give you more flexibility.
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>>552667571
incels be like "I just want a woman who loves me" but in reality they just want a lifeless doll to fuck
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>>552668465
But I already got plat with 1 tactical
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I miss TCM
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>>552667571
>Sereniel mindbroken
>give her a plushie
>put a blanket on her
>maximum comfy
>Sereniel no longer mindbroken
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>>552669015
literally every woman
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>>552668557
>but in reality they just want a lifeless doll to fuck
Actually, I basically want a sex pet. Like a cat that fucks off most of the time but is around when I want them around.
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>>552667571

women with plushies are cute
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>>552668557
>lifeless doll to fuck
yes I do want that
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>>552669132
>>552669912
and then you post ryan gosling
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>>552669895
meant for >>552669015
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>>552669895
Funny that there is no CG with the plushie.
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Which are useful for the retain build? Does 7 affect the upgrade version of opening found?
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>>552671548
For machinegun Beryl you just want to upgrade the crit potentials, the card doesn't scale up or down with the unique potential levels. They really should, because Selena would benefit from having more Mark damage.
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when the FUCK do i get enough memory points for 3x basic card removal im big mad at how this shit game keeps adding my shit 1 cost rin shield right back to my fucking deck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0v7AUQiu1E
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>>552673637
pretty early, like tier10 as long as you don't add neutral cards
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>>552673637
3 basic removals is 100 points if you're not converting them to cards that have the "Remove" tag.
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>>552673637
like this bro
https://czn-save-cal.web.app/
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>>552642685

this one's funny, ngl
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>>552673637
stop going over the point limit you can clearly see then?
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imagine if khalipe was good
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>>552673960
I don't get the remove tag. The card is in your hands but it costs 0 cause it doesn't carry over post dive?
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>>552675073
selector used, collection's complete now. caught 'em all. and sereniel on e2. still enough resources to be safe for narja.
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>>552674797
Yep, it's why converting basics to Remove-tagged cards is required if you're sweating for a god save. You're saving 50 faint memory if you're removing all 3.
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>>552675073
>>552675291
Nobody asked.
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>>552675460
are you concerned?
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>>552673637
Just get rid of only two if you don't luck out. A deck with no basics but no dupes is way worse than a deck with 1 basic and 3 dupes.
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>>552675291
who axed
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>>552675460
look at this little niggerfaggot
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>>552675373
What other removetag cards are there?
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>>552675516
>>552675686
>so assblasted he had to reply twice
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>>552675669
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>>552675291
>>552675073
congrats bwo
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>>552675702
I don't know, apparently Blue Pot has those types of cards but I'm scared of going in there
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>>552674729
Just wait until shields are a relevant mechanic.
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>>552675936
thanks anon
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>>552676171
I wonder if they have the balls to do it. The rift bosses so far have just been punching bags. Imagine next season the boss just actually beats the FUCK out of you.
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>>552676171
one tower level out of 150, time to shine baby
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>>552675702
look at card transform events here
https://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/encounters
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>>552676104
Yeah, the butcher will convert a card into meat
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She's strong... but is she fun?
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>>552677094
yep
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>>552677094
Yes with Selena
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She's strong and fun... but does she foster a healthy climate?
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Other than Nyx, are any of the BP partners worth getting? It seems like max dupe 3* partners are as good if not better than single dupe 5* partners.
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>>552677476
they will all be buffed.... right guys?
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>>552676465
I know about transform events, but i mean specifically the "remove on dive end" ones.
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>>552677651
i only know about the butcher in blue pot and the lab0 zombie shit
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>>552677476
all bp partners except Nyx are trash.
even if you already have Nyx, take another one
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>>552677094
>almost no brick epiphanies, actually unheard of before Sereniel
>epiphanies can lead into different playstyles according to what you prefer
>ravage gameplay gives you multiple ways to decide how you want to sequence her cards, specially with multiple enemies
>mythic that is actually part of the playstyle
>pretty satisfying multihit animations
>generating AP as a damage dealer lets you partner her with way more characters

Even if people will say she's too strong, she's also the most fun character to play and build. I'm more curious about whether it's a design fluke, a seasonal only privilege or if they actually are putting more effort into characters now, but we'll see when Narja is out.
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Protosbros...
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>>552677476
You think E4 Zatera is better than Anteia?
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>>552677460
Yes, just 2 weeks ago we were overrun with retarded doomers saying a ravage based character could never be good. Now we don't have to listen to their screeching. Climate saved.
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>>552677094
>>552678069
i agree that it's super nice that a lot of her epis are good and playable
they should rework some of the existing CZNs and make that possible for them too
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>>552678069
>>almost no brick epiphanies, actually unheard of before Sereniel
Your Khalipe bro?
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>>552673637
difficulty 8 tier 13-14 is the usual. keep restarting until you get the option to remove 1-2 at start. remove the other one at a shop or event. leave the last one alone because removing it will fuck you up unless you're running a much higher tier. see if you can get the mutagen thing card transformation in lab0 if you want to remove the last basic.
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>>552678283
Maybe they are just waiting for the corruption mechanic to buff these characters.
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>>552678169
Does the damage buff from generating cards stack? If so, then Anteia is definitely better. If not, Zatera is.
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>>552678069
Sereniel is instabricked if you dont get the right shining core epi though.
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This might be a god run
>>552677094
Yes
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>>552677094
A little too strong in that she basically clears chaos on her own in all but the highest difficulties and even then she does if you get your epiphanies in the right order but she's headed in the right direction
Agreed with the other anons who are saying things like all her epiphanies are good and whatnot.
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>>552677094
>>552677178
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>>552678258
the concern is more for when the banner ends and they start turning off tenacity bars
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>>552677094
Yeah after Haru and Yuki it was a refreshing new playstyle.
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>>552679736
Nevermind, the kicks weren't right
Imagine though
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>>552677094
Yes. I love going BRR.
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>>552678703
It procs for one turn once per turn. I tested it in a sim and the combination of buffs makes shadow daggers do 7% more damage with Anteia compared to Zatera. E4 Zatera more than makes up for the 5 star stat bump Anteia has but when you proc clairvoyance then Anteia wins. Big downside is clairvoyance doesn't work with shadow reload for some reason. Might be a bug.
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>>552679537
the initiation upgrade is her best for core, but her others ones are also good.Only the X one is meh
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>>552643437
>release first limited banner of the season Yuki
>Yuki
>limited
Bwos these shitposters doesn't even play the game
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>>552682259
I wish Yuki was limited so she can't clog the standard pool and brick everyone rolling for actual good chars like Mei Lin, Veronica, Hugo
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>>552681707
>doesn't work with shadow reload
That sucks. That definitely put the 3* ahead in my mind when Shadow Reload is how Tressa is making cards 95% of the time.
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>>552682506
>Hugo
Lmao furfag, pipe down, you guys are always trying to save face after Hugo got kicked out of every team. Imagine even pretending he is on the same level as rolling Veronica.
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Uh Oh anti-HuGOD melty!
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>>552681128
yeah this run sucks ass, I spoke too soon
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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I summon pubes schizo in attack position
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>>552683083
>press F
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>h*go
lmao
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>>552683538
>Missing out on free oranges
retard
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>>552683996
>muh free oranges
Yeah is that what you told yourself when you levelled this furnigger bait? At least Puke is still relevant unlike this fag.
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>>552683996
I only use straight pulls
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>>552684485
Not an argument
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>>552684608
>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO USE VALID ARGUMENTS
I don't care, furfag.
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>>552684731
Concession accepted
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>>552684941
SCHIZOronica
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>>552684941
*smack*
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>>552680031
how did you get the file size so small and remove the background?
i only get it as a mp4 from here
https://x.com/Lemonasty_/status/2005758037773160560
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>>552685405
i downloaded it from here, so i can't say, i'm afraid
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>>552684485
You're insecure.
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>>552683996
>2 rolls
Thank fuck I'm not poor enough to the point I need to humiliate myself for that.
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>Thank fuck I work at McDonalds so I can afford to be retarded
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>browns are waking up
Oh well. It's been a fun few hours.
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Who are you retards even quoting?
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>me
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this general is so shit and dead now
just let it die
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>>552654134
That's a lot of Mei Lins!
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>>552686982
concerning...
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>>552687221
>so many warm reis of light
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>>552681707
>Anteia is better than Zatera
>except she doesn't work at all with Tressa's main way of making daggers
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>>552687221
a geometrical ray of reis
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>>552686982
Why the fuck are you still posting here? We can die in peace if you just stop.
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>>552687757
Main way but not only way. unsheathe dagger procs it both as a skill and a power, which makes me think the shadow reload thing is bugged. The 5 star stat bump alone is enough to make the difference negligible without the passive and the ego skill is way better too.
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This is what Sereniel is missing.

We need subtle cameltoe and nipple bumps in CZN. It's the only way to save the game from concern and bring us back to a constant state of hype.
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Just started this 3 days ago cause a gacha YouTuber was shilling it, and I wanted to get the Sereniel. Really didn't care about the long-term health of my account, so I've been pulling nonstop and got Veronica, Mei Lin, Magma, and the guitar girl. Are they the best characters in the game? I'm not even level 30
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>>552690635
Sereniel is the best character in the game
Mei Lin + Veronica is a busted combo that will carry you through everything in the game too
Magna sucks
Nia is good for Sereniel
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She is a pain in the ass to farm deck for, I got these 2, which one is better overrall?
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>>552690249
Have you seen Narjas massive tit veins bulging out???
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>>552678069
Sereniel not being part of the initial leaks might mean she's actually the future of character design.
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>>552690249
What Sereniel really needs is visible pubic hair. A nice, mature bush that peeks out the sides of her leotard.

>>552691372
Tit veins are quite disgusting. They signalize too much fat which means the woman is unhealthy and her carnal chakra is misaligned.
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>see naked chick
>clean, freshly shaved
>"WTF??? WHERES THE HAIR??!! I NEED SMELLY PISS AND SHIT STINK ASS HAIR ON MY WOMEN!!!!"
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>>552691680
On the opposite it shows that she is the most fertile, with a dantian blessed with full power at birth, even though she might not cultivate to be an immortal she is sure to give exemplary heirs for the sect
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Pubes good
Veiny tits good
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Retards don’t understand the kino contrast of a cute girl with a thick bush covering a dark, grotesque pussy.
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This nigga has pictures of trannies saved and wants to be taken seriously
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>ravage
>get a gazillion ap
>good equips
I'm satisfied.
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Fellas, I'm saying it. I am concerned.
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>some pubes are fine
>more pubes are fine
>bushes are fine
>vintage-style full-on jungles are fine
>butthole hair is fine
>armpit hair is fine
you are hair
>chesthair on women is fine
>licking hairy nostrils is fine
>hairy earlicking is fine
>eating pubes is fine
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I hate this game
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>>552694189
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>>552694189
I'm glad we're getting rerolls but I'd much rather delete all the brick epiphanies.
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>>552693749
that's a nice one indeed.
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>>552691680
You triggered him.
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>>552693749
>basic left
>only 3 lasers
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How much of a beta male pussy faggot must a guy be to be so low T he hates pubic hair on women?
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How thick is Tiphera’s bush?
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>>552695873
concernedly so
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>>552695873
as thick as an african jungle
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>>552695873
three pubes.
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>>552687221
that cant be efficient marketing
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a first for me
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>>552700059
True, they should have put Sereniel there instead.
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>>552693749
thats way too many AP
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>Page 7
The nightmare is about to end…
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Did the event story get good yet or no
I haven't read a single thing
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>>552701795
yes, nobody believed how good it ended up being when it dropped
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>>552702329
good one, megalia drone
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>>552701795
Yeah it was. Nothing outstanding but good enough.
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>Unity of Attack and Defense
>only attack
>never defend
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>>552704487
This is why you remove a strike instead of her shield for maximum SOUL.
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>>552687221
since they took away rei of light, this feels wrong
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Late starter, I just finished buying all the rolls (and the free dupe of course) from the shop, what else should I prioritize getting?
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>>552706196
Top right and bottom middle
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When are we getting Narja's kit?
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The 1/1 items. They're incredibly rare and incredibly valuable.
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>>552707145
We get a showcase the day before release, but we don't get to see all her epiphanies until she's released.
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>>552707398
i'm curious about how her kit will look. i like her design, hopefully she's gonna be good. my pulls will be ready.
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ngl im kind of hoping narja is the doggest shit imaginable just to stick it to the style over substance retards. also ill be mad if she's meta when yuki and chizuru are useless
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E2 Sereniel is kinda disgusting, I think I just cleared this chaos without ever being below max health at the end of a fight
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Are 0 card decks worth it or just a gimmick?
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>>552709258
They're good for manipulating the AI if you want to turn auto on for simulations or story battles. They're not used for serious content, though.
It's nice to have a couple lying around.
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>>552709130
also got her on e2 today. she busted. as. fuck.
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I wanna bust inside Tiphera
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>>552709926
Ass too fat.
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>>552691680
>tit veins
Ok youre going too far now you need to take a breath and slow down. Next you might say something like "big areolas are ugly" that you cant take back or apologize for
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i bought almost nothing from the second and third shop. i think doing even one chaos run a week is too much to ask.
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>>552709926
Ass not fat enough.
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>>552712781
You're playing the wrong game then
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>>552713380
yep. i stopped playing. many will follow. now im only here to remind (you) how much the game sucks and why.
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>>552713862
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Quite concerning.
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>>552713862
BASED
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>>552715116
TRICKGODS WIN AGAIN
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games mid i dropped it
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>>552715226
sovl always takes time to come through but ultimately prevails.
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>>552683996
>oranges
I might care about it if the selector aren't one time only.
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concern zero nightmare
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Order Infinite Dream
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>>552706196
skip the prism lenses they're not as important
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I've got someone telling me powercreep is going to be a problem in the future of this game, particularly in basin. On a scale of 1-10 how retarded is this person?
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>>552718314
I hold every opinion, and express every concern
5
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>>552718314
he isn't wrong, if sereniel isn't powercreep already
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>>552718538
To be specific, he's talking about powercreep preventing f2p players from obtaining the same resources via basin becoming too hard, and said this is far more likely than powercreep becoming a problem because of pvp modes with resource rewards.
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>>552718314
That's why Smilegate love doing season adjustment balance patch
You're familiar with assfaggot season buff/nerf right?
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>>552718314
Well, there will be a powercreep unit for each role every 90 days.
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>>552719047
Do you think it will be severe enough to prevent f2p players from getting rewards in any existing or roadmapped modes?
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>>552718314
Just roll for limiteds, when one character shits on all the dps released since lauch it is clear what BM smilegate will do
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>>552719227
Well, you probably wont be getting all rewards because that is just how powercreep and new content will have to work together, but basin shoud stay no issue clearing. But even as f2p, as long as you dont roll on any banners except the limiteds every three months then you should be good. Leaderboards and endless towers, arenas? Get ready to not get all rewards.
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>>552719935
>Leaderboards and endless towers, arenas? Get ready to not get all rewards
I'm talking about resources not stickers, but you think endless tower and arena will be that hard? I feel like you're still going to be able to roll it with decent savedata. With how big of a range the power of savedata is, I don't see how things get powercreeped unless it's a pvp mode like rift.
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just ragedumped my last 5k on sereniels, got 2 nias out of it
fuck this balancing direction and fuck all the fags with e2
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>gambling addict btfo
nice
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>>552720127
You will be gated out of gems, forget stickers. It is the nature of any powercreep gacha, IF this will go down this route. If they really meant a seasonal limited every three months, then half anni and anni, then we will see some insane powercreep in the first year alone. Dolphins and whales will want to try out their new toys in harder content and f2p options just wont cut it at some point. You can still cope with the fact that its just gonna be a few gems at best, but with each new game mode that will add up quickly. And they already planned like, what, 2 new game modes for next season?
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Just remember that SG will want to push more "mandatory E2 or bricked" combatants
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>>552720868
remember this is merely the first limited of the game. we all know how they end up in terms of power compared to later ones. half-anniversary might already powercreep sereniel and it is basically around the corner. feels like SG hasnt thought through anything and just wing it by player sentiment.
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Don't care, never pulling for dupes or partners.
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>>552720424
>e2
Uh sis, e4 is when youre allowed to start playing...
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actually its e6
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don't forget the maxxed out peko
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/vmg/ SOON
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amazing how this became just like e7 within 2 months.
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>>552720424
yes, i like my e2 sereniel.
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these rates for early spooks are so retarded. i have never seen any 5 star before 60 pulls and i did like 700+. this game is turbotrash.
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>>552720868
I'm just not seeing how that happens with savedata. Top end savedata does like 20x+ the damage of passable savedata. I could see it happening with modes that don't use savedata sure, or pvp modes, but not pure pve savedata.
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>>552724968
It's 1%, same as any other kusoge. The only shitty thing about it is the income.
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>>552725303
Do you not understand what powercreep means? Sereniel's mediocre decks already totally shit on good decks. Once Cassius and Tressa get their rework f2p wont have a foot to stand on. The gap will be huge.
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>>552725791
Mei Lin and Luke still do extremely high damage and are specifically nerfed in rift. They can also do a lot of damage in rift still, just not as much as Sereniel. I doubt TCM nerfs are going to matter much outside of rift.
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They will clamp down on any OTK team if enough whales complain. Just like they did with TCM.
"Why should i roll on X when i have ABC team completely shitting on the content and killing everything in one turn?"
People do not realize this yet because Sereniel cleanly replaced Tressa. But there are still OTK teams in-game, some maybe even still undiscovered. The concept of OTK will be gone soon as well. The freedom of a StS and gacha systems to make money just do not mesh well.
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>>552726615
>The freedom of a StS-like and gacha systems to make money just do not mesh well.
Sadly yes. I will never forgive the incoming Triple 0 nerf.
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>>552726584
Oh also Rin Selena and Chizuru have crab9 otk levels of damage on good savedata. Beryl is very strong too although more on the sustained damage side.
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>>552726717
from what they said it sounds more like they are concerned with stacking dice trick upgrade
I would expect that upgrade getting unique or X times per turn
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>>552726584
>>552726726
You speak about what happens NOW. I am telling you how powercreep is what what WILL BE. Anyone with a brain and some business sense will understand where the game is headed towards. Worst of all, people will applaud the powercreep just as they did with Sereniel. I do think that nips will wake up and call out the 'all banners suck except the limited' approach if season 2 is the same shit. If they actually like the limiteds and feel its good value then powercreep will ramp up even more.
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>>552726615
>They will clamp down on any OTK team
this will happen. forget tressa because this is what actually invalidates new characters. don't fit in an otk team? skip. you may not like it but this is what it will boil down to. and that will be the moment i completely drop the game.
>>552726717
nothing is safe from the nerf hammer. be it character cards or simply making them less usable against bosses.
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>>552726976
Sereniel literally doesn't matter unless you care about your sticker color though
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>>552727291
>and that will be the moment i completely drop the game
You should drop it right now and save yourself the disappointment
>>552727350
Nah Sereniel and Peko are limited so you need to roll for them for collection purposes if nothing else.
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>>552723843
Your welcome
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>>552727350
>powercreep doesn't matter because i did not slip on the slope yet
gigaretard
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>release sts roguelike deckbuilder gacha
>nerf infinite damage decks merely one month in for smart players that put time into it
>deckbuilding game economy in shambles
>nerf the f2p queen
>re-release her as a limited unit with whales in mind
>anons say they will not continue to kill off anything that could threaten whale spending by sacrificing deckbuilding freedom
you cant ayy enough to lmao it
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>>552723843
>>552727501
Wow if you're so familiar with /e7g/ then maybe you should stay in your garbage dump of a general
>7 day threads
>entire general is literally 3 trannies circlejerking
No one cares about your game, no one brings it up apart from you faggots who have sunk-cost
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>>552727350
>powercreep doesn't matter as long as you dont care
massive retard
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TCM
>not fun
>not sexy
>not cool
Sereniel
>cool, sexy and fun
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>shortsighted retards think the game is doing fine
>somewhat smart anons realize the ship is sinking
No matter which soon-to-be failed gacha general i've been to, it's truly always the same lmao Humans are so retarded.
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>>552727976
It's more that I don't think powercreep will meaningfully affect any existing modes or modes on the roadmap
They could certainly release something down the line where it matters though.
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>>552727889
Only e7g faggots keep that image around.
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>>552728131
>I don't think powercreep will meaningfully affect any existing modes or modes on the roadmap
Yes, because you are coping in a real way. Meaning, you don't think you do but you do.
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>>552728119
I think how the game is doing is up in the air until sometime in the next month where they tell us how the season gets rolled into the core game.
Look at Path of Exile. It's as good as it is because of how many seasons they have rolled into the core game with mechanics to choose which ones affect your game alongside the current season, which gives a ton of gameplay variety and build choices. Same shit could be the case here if they don't fuck it up.
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>>552728271
What mode do you think will be meaningfully affected by powercreep?
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>>552728352
PoE is not a gacha and it doesnt depend on making money through such a system. They have a much easier time caring for the validity of their game economy than Smile Gate has ever done or will ever do. None of the games SG made or published, especially Lost Ark, have ever shown that the player experience takes the front seat. Now, can they do it? Honestly, i dont think so. They never did and they never will. They will always do what the money tells them to do.
>>552728489
All of them except basin, so they can keep their f2p players at bay. Bait tactics are well-known.
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>>552728352
Path of Exile isn't a gacha bro
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>>552728739
>she doesn't know own about the loot boxes
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I didnt kno chudai was some gooner shit i been walkin around the apartment saying everythings gna be chudai for the past month
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>>552723843
Wait another 4 months and you'll see 1 week threads
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>>552727889
Mindbroken
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>They will always do what the money tells them to do
How does money conflict with player experience on making season mechanics core?
>All of them except basin
Ok I guess I have to ask in what way because I can't see it for any of them, but if you do infinite powercreep I feel like basin would be the first thing affected.
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>>552728796
You're saying like it's integral to playing the game when it's clearly not lmao. Way too much copium.
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>>552728712
What the FUCK is wrong with that face
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>>552728739
Neither is Slay the Spire. Do you say "Slay the Spire isn't a gacha bro" any time someone brings up Slay the Spire in discussing game mechanics? Obviously not retard.
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>>552728649
you know, i watched so much anime. and i usually get a good grasp of an upcoming show simply by looking who is the studio animating it, who directs it, maybe someone else doing the storyboard etc etc. i never look at games in that way. i usually stop at gamestudio and never look further. but just looking at smilegate's track record and then see what the fuck decisions they been making in czn...i start to hear seia speaking to me
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>>552728959
You PUT Path of Exile as your example. (You) did that, holy moly. Make sure to use your brain before replying next time instead of shoving nonsense in my mouth.
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>>552728867
nta but what season mechanics in czn will fucking keep you playing when insane powercreep takes place every two months? 1 seasonal, 1 half anni, 1 anni, 1 summer, 1 winter, ALL limited? what is it with the tunnel in season 2 implemented that will keep you playing?
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>>552728867
Basin will never be affected if they simply do not increase the level requirements. You will be able to always get your 30/30 by overleveling the content. Anything else will be powercrept.
>"but what if they include all these seasons with their mechanics so maybe we can do some crazy combos?"
Its still a gacha. No crazy combos will match to the powercreep because, unlike PoE, this is a gacha that makes money through gacha systems. By now i told you the exact same thing twice. You need to read it a third time?
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the director literally said genshin is his blueprint for czn.
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ok but it's 30% cheaper
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>>552729223
>1 seasonal, 1 half anni, 1 anni, 1 summer, 1 winter, ALL limited?
Smart cookie. Now include partners as well and its double limited banners. Im not saying all of them will be powercreep or non-limiteds wont be good once in a blue moon, but there is a pattern and it is made to be that way.
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>>552729138
Yeah I said a big part of how I feel like this game will be in the future will come down to how they implement seasons in the core game, and they could do a really good job of it like path of exile.
I don't see how path of exile not being a gacha matters there. They're both games with seasons. I'm hoping that they do a good job with making CZN seasons core, like PoE.
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>>552729504
>doesn't describe how at all
ok man
>mixing up different conversations
the stuff about seasons wasn't related to powercreep at all
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>>552729943
PoE and CZN have both different payment models. Why is that so hard to understand? CZN will never have the same gameplay integrity than PoE, no matter how many seasonal mechanics carry over, simply because this is a gacha and gacha comes first. They literally shown us that gacha comes first.
>>552730032(still you)
Stop talking to me, stupid retard.
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Bwos new content and banner next week!
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>>552729829
so much for the standard banner meme lmao
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>>552730257
And the we move to Endfield
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>>552730712
I'd move back in time and play OG Arknights if I could, but too late for that. Not gonna play a WASD game. Can't be bothered with that.
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are some of you really expecting no meaningful powercreep and a even playing field for both paying customers and free 2 players? in a gacha? and you still think this can happen after the first two months where SG nerfed the f2p team, lied about limiteds and put the first powercreep limited bitch into the game mere days after? do you really get hit in your face five times and go 'actually, i cant be sure i get hit a sixth time so lets wait and see..'? bruh, some of you are high on copium or i dont know how low of an IQ you must have to keep thinking everything will turn out alright. especially with SG's track record.
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>And the we
Brownfield
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>endfield
>shitty factorio side game
>3d action slop that doesn't even look good
rumao
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>>552731149
Some dilludes themselves into thinking they could outsmart devs simply because of this game being a decent deckbuilder. But forgot that each good f2p combination will have to be nerfed in one way or another as long as it threatens people to buy pulls for banners. Which happened already.
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Endfield is like Lawbreakers.
Coming to the party when everybody is already tired of open world gacha games.
Roguelike deck builders are the new hotness.
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Play Morimens
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>>552731859
>card says how much damage it does, no percents
woah
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>>552730142
> CZN will never have the same gameplay integrity than PoE, no matter how many seasonal mechanics carry over, simply because this is a gacha and gacha comes first. They literally shown us that gacha comes first.
Why does this matter when discussing gameplay mechanics?
You're just pointing at the fact that it's a gacha and having a melty without actually giving any real reasons.
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>>552731859
bro. sell me on it. i am currently very perceptive to anything deckbuilding after this slop turned out to be just another korean trash monetization and powercreep game.
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>>552731859
>average Morimens card
no way. i just want to look at ass and tits not read
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How do we save Stella Sora
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>>552732030
I talked about powercreep and how it will affect anything but basin. You came in and tried to explain why you are still hopeful for the future because they might add older season mechanics into new chaos modes. And i told you that it all does not matter because this game is still a gacha and powercreep is already happening on oldschool Smile Gate style. And i tell you to expect more nerfs to future non-whale OTK teams. Now you tell me: Why exactly does adding older season mechanics to new seasons matter to you again?
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For gameplay,
CZN > Arknights > GFL 2 > Wuwa > shitfield
Shrimple as
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the doomer has some good points. nothing screams 'i respect our games integrity' than nerfing anything that could pose a threat to paypigs.
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>>552732382
>I talked about powercreep
This >>552728352 does not say anything about powercreep, and that's what the PoE mention was about.
Powercreep is a potential problem sure, but I care more about the core gameplay being good.
Really the largest problem to me currently is the shilling they do to banner units. I'd love to see Mei Lin or Luke be able to fully compete on rearguard but they've had this retarded debuff for two bosses in a row. It's not powercreep as much as it is just blocking the stronger older units from working. I don't mind if they have that type of mechanic for all units (like if it was something that limited Sereniel to the same degree), but it's stupid when it's everything except the banner unit.
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>>552732736
>Arknights
>GFL2
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>>552732830
Wrong post referred to, meant >>552728119
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>>552732382
>MUH SLIPPERY SLOPEE
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>>552732898
what about it
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Core gameplay is fun but it needs more interesting stuff to do

How much can you beat up a sponge is not it
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>>552732989
Kill yourself, furshit eater. You're probably the pubesfag. Arknights is a dogshit """game"""".
Simple as.
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>>552733083
>How much can you beat up a sponge is not it
>t. Goldshitter
Leaderboards are a great way to compare yourself with others and the main reason to play is so you rank higher.
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>>552732830
>>552732920
Powercreep is what most will care for. If Smile Gate ends up satisfying your chaos seasonal mechanic needs then good for you. Most will end up leaving because they are fed up with the game. Same with E7. Most left and only those pvp retards that spent too much time and/or money stayed behind. I played too many korean f2p mmorpgs and gacha in general to not see the warning signs and obvious things to come; especially from a company like Smile Gate.
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>>552733182
Yeah but while the current meta deck requires some strategy and thoughts rather than TCM retarded brainless card vomit, beating up a giant damage sponge that does nothing is not exactly the best of gameplay
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>>552694361
damn this quote is too relevant
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>>552733083
>>552733182
>>552733231
>>552733182
I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE I HATE GUNSMOKE GET OUT OF MY HEAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>552733249
Oh you're that retard who argues the game's design is flawed. Are you a game dev? Have you released anything? No? Then kindly shut the fuck up.
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>>552704340
cute
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>>552733231
Even if that happens, who cares? Did you spend 100000 dollarinos on the game? If yes, literally how? There's literally nothing worth to buy. I want to support this game but there's literally nothing worth the money except the monthly pass.
Even if the game EOSes tomorrow I'll had my gameplay hours worth and that's it. There's barely anything to attach to in this game. The characters have no story, there is no story at all to begin with, there's nothing concrete as a community either.

Sooo who cares? Just play it until they ruin it. If they do. So far they've just been improving it, slowly but steadily.
Tressakeks and Cassiuskeks crying are not an issue. When they start nerfing characters that don't need it or powercreep the shit out of anything then yes the game is going downhill, these two fucking needed and only 20 IQ retards don't see how infinite morale or daggers generated through other characters is not an issue design wise.
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>>552733475
>you need to be a game dev to criticize the game you're playing
Not him but by that metric you can't hold an opinion on the game because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about either
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>>552733508
This. It's something 99% of people don't understand because they're not invested enough to get something this simple.
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>>552733475
Are you a politician? Have you ever been in parliament? No?
Slurp down the sloppa and obey to your masters, they know how to rule your country. Now pay 5 billions in taxes good goy.

And let me guess, how many games did you release? Zero? Thought so.
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>>552733560
>>552733647
Funny because I am a game dev and worked on 3 published games so far.
Now, kindly sit down and shut your mouth. The adults are talking.
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>>552733694
But I have developed 6. Seems like I'm better than you.
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>>552733694
Cool, but I don't respect the retarded shit you spew out of your mouth
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>>552733736
I highly doubt that unless they were asset flips and of terrible quality.
I've worked on 3 AAA titles. What do you have on your resume? McDonalds?
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>>552733508
>why does the game dying matter i had my fun in these two months!
you are beyond saving lmao
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>>552733802
>AAA titles
Jokes aside, working on AAA titles it's worse than not working on any game at all.
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>>552733771
That's because you're upset that I'm right and you're wrong.
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>>552733841
Explain why would it matter, I'm curious.
Did you ever play a singleplayer game with finite content?
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>>552733508
Did you seriously just get triggered by having to read a better argument than yours disagreeing with you?
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>>552733925
kek i hope you will never be in a position that expects competency.
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>>552733897
According to who? You? Good joke lad, you could be an indie dev or a AAA developer and I still wouldn't respect whatever you say. What did you work on? Burgers?
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>>552734091
Cannot answer the question, huh. I see, I see.
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>at least the core gameplay is good though
"No!" The mechanic is dreadful; the grind was terrible. As i played, I noticed that every time a character got an epiphany, the game gave them at least a generic one.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time such epiphany was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. SG's mind is so governed by cliches and dead Korean MMO mechanics that they has no other style of game design. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Chaos Zero Nightmare by a Uma Musume fan. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing CZN at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play Uma Musume." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Chaos Zero Nightmare" you are, in fact, trained to play Uma Musume.
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>>552733231
Idk I'm not too worried about powercreep just because of how the game works. Not really a pvp game.
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>>552734210
thanks grok
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>the core is le good
>remove 3 basic cards
>get the correct epi for every cards or brick your deck
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>>552734210
>>552734336
Yeah but we're getting epiphany reroll and boss copy select soon.
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>>552734290
This too, I don't care about leaderboards so I'll roll for whoever's Merlin-tier in the future.
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>>552734336
That's not the core. The core is the card gameplay. That's a system on top of it
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>>552734290
If you are f2p you will care soon enough when you stop getting those last gem rewards from the 5+ modes we will soon have.
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>>552734432
The core card gameplay is also isn't good. Like even if you remove all the save data farming component, it's still an extremely shallow and barebone StS clone with extreme restrictions on the deck building part.
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>>552734526
Compare and contrast with other games. Only Morimens comes close from recent memory.
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>>552734526
It's fine for what it is. It just lacks cards and characters. Right now it's not any different from play only 1 class in Slay the Spire with half Relics and neutral card pool
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>>552734452
I'll believe it when I see it. All of them except one are savedata modes, where you just need to put in more effort but will be able to stomp the modes with good savedata. The one that isn't savedata lets you get literal infinites, so it might take more runs but you just need to highroll.
Also not like f2ps won't be getting new units.
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>>552734615
No, it is inherently designed to be shallow.
Even with one character and half the relic pool, StS still allow you to significantly alter your deck and playstyle, which is the whole point of deckbuilders.
>Can choose one of three cards after fights, can get multiple copies of the same card with this. You don't know what card you will get, so every run and deck will be different.
Vs
>Each character has 8 cards that will show up, just in random order.
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>>552734726
Im not here to loop. I already talked about everything you mention im above posts. If you are too dumb to see the warning signs then thats on you. I personally already checked out. I am not paying for BP and this monthly will be my last. If by some miracle they do end up not adapting the cutt-throat limited pull plan and do not keep nerfing OTK teams unless they are whaled, then i will come back and maybe drop a hundred. Until then, fuck retards like you and fuck this dead general. Dumbass nigger.
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>>552735070
>>552735350
samefag

Hey, if you hate this game so mucg why even come here. Nobody cares about your retarded opinion and nobody asked either.
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Are we winning bros
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>>552735425
Lmao I see that you have no argument. And you don't even know what samefag mean. Quit 4chan.
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>>552735508
>game keeps getting better and better
>interest on the rise
>contest in full swing
>making loads of revenue
>beating the likes of Arknights, WuWa and ZZZ combined

HOPEGODS WON AND KEEP WINNING HARD

IT SHOULD BE FUARKING ILLEGAL TO WIN THIS FUARKING HARD

WHAT THE FUCK DID WE DO TO DESERVE EATING THIS HECKING GOOD????!?
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rent free
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>>552735853
actually that guys real name is Devilguy
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>>552735070
yes the game lacks the rng build selection mid run, instead picking your team is the main component of build selection
hopefully the new chaos mode we get in april has much swingier build changes (plus it will be fine to go way harder on removal/neutrals since you won't care about savedata)
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>>552728712
based!!!!!!!! all CZNs should be pregnant
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>>552734210
this fucking picture always has some turbo braindead doomer argument attached and i love it
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>doomers when bricks
>doomers when 4*s are powerful
>doomers when powercreep
>doomers when 4*s get nerfed
>doomers when the game has gameplay
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>muh Basin powercreep
No worries, Beryl's still handling Team 2 just fine with her machine gun
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Doomers are needed to push for change
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I'll push yo ass for change
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>>552737017
No change needed when the game is in a great state already and only gets better and better with each new update.
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>No change needed
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>>552737017
doomers≠complainers
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>>552737017
>doomers complaining about Owen and beta MC
You guys want Owen to be the MC?
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>>552737675
First they came for Yuki
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Yukifag

Then they came for Tressa*
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Tressafag

Then they came for the F2Ps
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a F2P

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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>>552737786
>Then they came for me
W-What are they doing to me???
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>>552737675
>>552737786
>First they came for Yuki
They're literally buffing Yuki on the same patch that they're nerfing Tressa and Cassius
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>>552737786
MUUUUUH SLIPEERRYYY SLOOOPEEEE FALLACYYYYY
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>>552737946
Probably meant to say then they came in me.
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>>552738074
But it's a valid concern, allowing gay marriages made faggots like you brazen
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>>552737017
Doomers on a tibetian fishing board changes nothing because Smilegate doesn't read anything here. Now take your meds.
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>>552738229
>whether or not my schizo rat rabbit favorite character in the live service videotoy Chaos Zero Nightmare gets the Epiphany that makes her go BOOM instead of BAANG is comparable to gays and gay marriage
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My F2P ass got sereniel E2 and peko without spending a cent, and I still have 80 rolls for narja
This game shouldn't be this good for people who don't pay
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>>552732107
>sell me on it
it has my wife
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>>552738476
I have every "limited" in the game and still on 350 rolls and I just bought one (uno) pass, that's it...
Either we get some decent amount of rolls over time or the freebies we got from drama and shit were THAT good.
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The main problem is save data.
Chaos builds should never impact other modes.
Chaos need to allow crazy rng builds(this is the fun part, see sts) while leaderboards and other "no fun allowed" modes should have their own system.
Be it whale friendly I don't care.
You aren't getting 3 reloads tressa in chaos which is why she isn't problem.
Only when you remove rng and ALWAYS have them, then it's stupid, no brain, no fun game.
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>/pol/shit
Doomjeets are getting desperate
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>>552738925
>Chaos need to allow crazy rng builds
That's coming in April
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>>552738973
It's literally the most famous example of the slippery slope being validated in real life in recent years, the other being getting drunk
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>>552739134
Shitler lost
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>>552738981
weeeeeeeeee let's go only 4 months of not playing the game waiting for the devs to give a shit
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>>552738831
This. I'm 100% f2p and got Sereniel E2 and Peko, Haru, Yuki and Chizuru and all other standards. Some of them E1 to 3.

Right now Im still sitting on over 400 rolls.
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>>552738925
>The main problem is save data.
Big disagree, the ability to keep your good runs as save data for use in other modes is what keeps me playing this game instead of replaying other technically better deckbuilders.
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>>552739672
this, also 600 rolls
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Is the divine worth it for the AP?
Or is right better?
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>>552740028
nyot really
specially if you can't clone it 3 times. 3 copies + divine epi is very costly, it should be 120 points that alone
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>>552740028
This is a reset epiphany.
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>>552740028
think for yourself
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>>552740028
Middle better unless you duplicates before
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>>552738925
>The main problem is save data.
retard, it's literally the best part of the game
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>>552738496
im sold!
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why can I not turn off all the worthless pop-ups for skipping shit
why do I get play time warnings when I'm not from korea
why can't I sweep stages
why is the autoplay so worthless
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>>552740028
No, just get the middle one.
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>>552740028
if it was me i'd take the divine and try to copy it 3 times still
just make a cool deck with it even if it is not for rift right now
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>>552740659
>WOWZERS I LOVE RERUNNIG THE SAME CONTENT 50 TIMES IN A ROW FOR MARGINALLY BETTER CARDS

>IT IS SO HECKERINO BASEDINO TO REMOVE BASICS AND COPY CARDS WITH THE RIGHT EPIPHANIES SUCH GOOD GAME DESIGN UPDOOTED THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER
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>>552741326
i say that and look happy
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>>552741387
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Male character status?
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Why they dont put beat of death and turn dmg cap to nerf infinites?
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>>552741732
gay/european
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man this game sucks. incredible how everyone left and only subhuman slurpers are left
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>>552741882
Yeah, it's not like there's units that already punish cardspam like Seven Arms. I don't get the push for nerfs to pseudo-infinites.
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>slurpers
You need to go back.
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>>552732107
>sell me on it
Evil women
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I'm excited to level the zero system and farm new decks for all my teams.
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>>552743396
me too, literally
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>my retarded gacha brain still does not understand what seasonal is
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Now that the dust has settled why did Sereniel flop and kill the threads?
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no pubes
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>>552743498
spring, summer, fall/autumn, winter
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>>552744047
kek
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seasonal THIS
*unzips dick*
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Its too small
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>>552738064
proof?
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I decided to farm instinct potential upgrade mats.
If Narja won't be instinct I will kill myself.
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Doomfailures and Hopecucks sperging it out. Meanwhile, I'm just chilling and winging it as a pure fucking FREE TO PLAY gachameister playing your game. If it dies, it dies. If I get bored, I'll just quit (or return when more freebies arrive). And I will just go and ENJOY other releasing gachas in the meantime. I bet you guys can't do that, huh? ENJOYING a gacha game? Hahahahaha! Them evil companies are fucking DRAINING your wallets! Play these evil games as they should be: by NOT SPENDING A SINGLE DIME!
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I'm gonna CONCERN
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>>552746503
That would be your drama general in /vmg/, brownoid
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im white
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https://youtu.be/egyg43xQtaU
The strats for 1.4M are crazy lol
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>>552746503
Slopfield
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>we
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>esports
didnt ask
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hasha
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>>552747473
This nigga is not getting nerfed hahahaha
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>>552746503
endfield models are such pumpfuel
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just fucking delete cassius and the game will be good
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>>552747473
>>552748252
what the actual fuck are these numbers
>167 MORALE
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>>552748295
Just cap him to 1000%, problem solved
>>552748358
Casual Triple 0 morale stacking, you can play an unlimited amount of 0 cost cards after all
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i am not that unemployed to try this hard for a sticker bro
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>>552748252
>>552747473
Oh it's the Upgrade strat with Quantum Collector of all things.
>Cassius oneshotting the boss with each Triple 0
lol

Wonder if they'll also nerf some of these items
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>>552748767
How does that work?
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>>552748845
the videos says they wait to get some EGO skills they need, then in one turn start playing ALL the upgrades and boost the damage by 1 billion as the buff from Quantum Collector is multiplicative and in that turn they do the perfect turn where triple 0 reaches 200k+ damage
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>>552748994
>>552748845
Another strat is breaking the boss soo many times with Selena. doing so will make him spawn 1 gazillion draw cards in your deck in the later turns, as every time he was ravaged during the battle he'll repeat and add cards. those cards get discounted based on how many times you ravage the boss, and they can reach 0
and would you look at that, cassius doesn't care the 0 cost card is from the boss, it still counts. so you play 1 quadrillion of them and cassius starts nuking
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>>552748845
>stack enough damage that you can kill the boss with generated triple 0s
>boss dies and comes back
>you break the boss with the homing lasers that came back, get more lasers
>you generate more triple 0s from those usage
>you kill the boss again
>repeat
Its probably doable to do it infinite times but I don't if there's any other variable for that. maybe we will see top score in the final day where they camped in that fight for weeks and killing the boss for gazillion times
That would be funny
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Today I did one lab0 run.
It was fun.
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i know some people like the leaderboard shit but putting all your efforts into the content is not it
the game is so dry outside of that shit
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>Triple 1 from Dice Trick upgrade is actually useful because it can put 0 cost cards in your deck if you break bar twice
Holy fucking autism
I hope the next season is also like this, I'm not gonna do it but it's fun seeing the shit T100 does
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*braaaaaap*
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content?
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eSports ensured Epic7s stay as one of the Top 10 gacha of all time.

The same is true for CZN. PVP is a what keeps a game alive.
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>epic 7
>top 10
wake up bro this is not 2018
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>>552745834
I don't mind giving money to koreans
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dayum, Gayron fucks this?
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>>552749857
>>552749892
>>552750054
>>>/e7g/
Stay in your containment general
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>>552750174
Pretty sure he fucks this
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>>552750236
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
but i'm not from e7g?
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>>552739642
just log in, collect your goodies in auto and log out in the meantime
I'm slowly maxing my roster until the game gets good
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>until the game gets good
should we tell him?
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How does Mountain oc Corpses work? It says it increases the damage of attack cards by 25% 1 time per turn, but it says ''attack cards'' in plural.
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>>552751757
they already announced they're fixing my biggest gripes with the game
the only way to lose interest would be if they didn't do what they said they're going to do
feel free to reply with the "don't belive his lies" pic
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>>552751954
>the only way to lose interest would be if they didn't do what they said they're going to do
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Sereniel ruined this game and YOU know its true
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>>552752159
This is true I can't focus on the game anymore because I keep thinking about having sex with her
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>>552752159
How so
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>>552752159
She doesn't do anything that Tressa wasn't already doing.
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>>552752159
Sereniel saved this game.
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Speaking of Tressa, I would fuck the bad luck out of her.
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>end lab 0
>Mika lacks 1 card (no neutral cards)
>Sereniel has 2 cards without epiphanies (no neutral cards)
>Amir has 4 cards without epiphanies (2 neutral cards)
What the fuck
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>lab 0
found the issue, but slurpers will defend this guaranteed
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>not a single copy event landed on Sereniel card
I'm so tired bros
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>>552753665
HOLLYY FUUUAARRRRKKK THE GAMEPLAY IS SOOO GOOODDDDDD
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>>552753665
I just start removing other character's cards, shit's not worth taking a chance on if you're running Lab 0.
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good morning
Yuki buffs?
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>>552751909
No one knows. It's a mystery like the +25 damage accessory
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Just kill Cassius
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>>552751909
It increases it for all Attack cards but you can only use it once.
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heart of ore vein, doko?
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Anyone got a Yuki farming deck I can see as a point of reference? I want to try and build her for sims before Lab 0's gone.
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>>552755359
Lab0's not leaving, it'll just get added to the normal chaos pool.
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>>552755359
fast sims, multiple iceberg cleaves. this is best with 0 card teammates, if not then just use draw fodder (veronica, nia, etc).
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First time getting the rare event. Worth duplicating the forbidden card here or should I dupe another homing?
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>>552757201
Just dupe the homing and pray that you get the Ravage upgrade on Shining Core and you're set once you delete that basic.
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>the featured youtube video on Stove launcher no longer autoplays
Bros...
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>he doesn't know about the Download Management strat
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dayum wtf?
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>>552758194
teach me bro
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just do this
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Right's epiphanies are
>Upgrade: Create one unique homing laser
>+ resolve
>+ action acount

If I clone right, do I have another chance at the epiphany gacha or will it default the whatever option I have at the top. Fishing for the upon ravage upgrade right now.
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>>552758773
yes the right one has no epi, if you copy if you have a chance to get both upgrades for example
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>>552758773
Yeah, you can get different Epis on duplicated cards if you dupe them before the Epi triggers. It's something I actively try to do when I'm using Chizuru with the Tsukuyomi card. I don't know if it's the "ideal" deck, but I like to have 1 or 2 copies of the Tsukuyomi that adds hits to Moon Shadow and 1 that adds Wisps per hit.
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>>552758940
>>552759369
Unfortunately I got fucked by the epiphany rates
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>>552759731
I bet Whirlpool was there to get its epiphany immediately.
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>>552759898
Ye, I didn't get it until the wolf boss and it stole a slot in the elite battle.
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>>552760024
bro why did you remove water barrier
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GAMES SHIT I DROPPED IT
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>>552760125
concerning...
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>>552760024
Got the 3x convert shit at the start so I had no choice but to remove a basic.
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>>552760189
Meant for>>552760071
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>>552760125
me too
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Concern Zero Revenue...
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>>552760189
Never pick those that's 3 stolen epis already
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PEAK
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>this thread
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i liked some CZN posts on twitter and now my entire timeline is Japanese
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Yeah we're winning so much.
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>>552762116
But still no big artist picking it up
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>>552762304
How about you go on skeb and pay them to make art for CZN
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only 9-10 more days until Narja.
Did that one movement of koreans upset about her breast changes get any traction?
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>>552762392
i'd rather pay them to make porn of my own characters
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AI designs
AI engagement
AI gameplay
AI fanbase
AI revenue
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>>552762116
what posts bro??
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>>552734210
uma has completely avoided the pitfalls of this game somehow
>runs aren't just sitting on copy/epi rng, there's 8 possible things you can do every turn which contribute to your final "deck" in some way which means you actually have to think when you click. the closest thing to copy rng is distance S in epiphanies
>distance S can be mitigated somewhat by having better parents, which can be a byproduct of a bad uma run. in czn a shit deck is a shit deck
>CM leaderboard is completely hidden, you never know how many people actually win, you just need to win the last race to get the best reward
>there is no such thing as a "perfect" deck because of race rng and decks that your opponents bring
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>>552753665
absolutely based rng gameplay
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begin counseling this thread
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>>552764287
I've been concerned lately
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>>552764420
A. convince xher that the hype is still alive somewhere
B. tell xher to install stella sora
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hairy pussy
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prePUBEscent combatants when?
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>>552764107
I think you can look at it like this:
Skills from support cards -> Regular Epiphanies
Good Faded memory cost saving from transforms -> High stats
Good inherits -> Divine Epiphanies/Copies

All of the stuff in uma is more common than CZN. The epiphany reroll and copy selection changes and divine epiphany increases should go a long ways to helping with this.
One huge part with Uma though is that you aren't on a leaderboard against all players in the pvp mode every few weeks. You randomly match against 2 other players in 8 matches of 5 rounds and just need to get 3/5 wins in 1 match to land in the upper bracket for the next stage 2 times, and then the final is randomly matched against 2 other people who managed this which is a very wide pool of strength. There's also much more RNG in the races themselves while CZN is fairly static with a top end deck since you just draw and play your whole deck and boss mechanics work the same way every time, plus you just rerun until you get good RNG.
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>>552763692
https://x.com/hashtag/%E3%82%AB%E3%82%AA%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AD?src=hashtag_click
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from 1 to concern, how are you?
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>>552765362
depressed cause PTO ended
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>spend rare craft mat for a crit% IV
>all subs are hp/def
Yeah, welcome back E7, GI and Wuwa. I "missed you" so fucking much.
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>equip recommended
>puts a void+agony set on an instinct char
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>sts
defense is extremely important and only on low ascensions or some ape ironclad str scaling with feed you can just smash every enemy without picking up and playing defensive cards
>this game
all the defensive units and bonuses are useless and bricks if you spend any resources into them.
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>>552766932
>all the defensive units and bonuses are useless and bricks if you spend any resources into them
Well that's not entirely true, and will be less true in the future.
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>comparing a new game to games that have been out for years
kek
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>>552767719
CZN has some 1:1 STS cards and enemies, so its obvious to compare them. Its a gacha that only has gameplay as its appeal since the story and girls are boring, only 2 ones are hot- Tressa and Renoa, but at the same time they have no personality and theyre gonna get rewritten anyway.
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so there's a sts schizo too ?
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What to get here bros? I assume the monthly pulls are a no brainer, what about the rest?
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>the girls in czn aren't hot
Doomers almost went extinct after Sereniel and the roadmap, but now they're learning to adapt by becoming actual homosexuals. Fascinating.
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Pray for me bros
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I've been on vacation with spotty internet so I haven't logged in for ~2 weeks
I'll pull for the new girl then see if there's anything interesting in the new data.pack
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>>552769518
It’s over…
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>>552769518
>>552770072
nyoo
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>>552769476
slapping big tits on boring designs and adding a fappable lobby scene isnt making them hot
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>>552769032
I always just get everything except the credits. You'll still have like 2,000 by the end of it. The stuff doesn't cost as much as you'd think.
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>>552770536
>fappable
>not hot
what kind of cope is this
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>>552771448
Any anime girl with big tits lying naked is fappable. That doesnt make them hot. Lets say Sereniel lobby vs random Mio Akiyama pic with her in an uniform. It's like eating cereal for breakfast vs cooking some eggs and making a sandwich with fresh ham and tomatoes. Both are tasty yet you desire one more.
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>>552772224
>Both are tasty yet you desire one more.
Yeah, Sereniel
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>>552772224
bro just stop, respectfully
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>>552772224
That's a lot of words to say you're homosexual
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My luck was blessed today. As far as I can see, Mei is good and Magna is sort of a brick?
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>>552772224
>Any anime girl with big tits lying naked is fappable. That doesnt make them hot.
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My brain loves Yuki but Sereniel does nothing for me.
What is this called?
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>>552774326
yes mei lin is very good and magna is probably the worst 5 star
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>>552774764
bug chaser fetish
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>>552774764
Preferences
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>Mio Akiyama
What a terrible example. She's a basic bitch.
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>>552771172
Roger, thanks bro.
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>>552774997
You should've read his analogy. Might be the next Aristotle.
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>>552774997
Made for pronebone anal.
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>>552774997
missionary kissing impregnation sex
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>>552775293
>>552775361
both of these one after the other
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samefaggotry
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which one bros
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>>552775425
anal is fucking disgusting you will get literal shit on your dick
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>>552775583
bro has never heard about an enema
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>>552775583
You're responding to a homosexual, he's used to it
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Do I have a reason to level any of the characters I've left at level 20 or should I let them be?

>>552774821
>magna is probably the worst 5 star
Man, I wish I got Khalipe instead.

At least my account is full of damage dealers now, I just badly need Veronica or Cassius to feed them cards. Usually I get the same character or weapon over and over again when I start a new gacha but I've gotten a decent spread this time around.
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>>552771448
Have you ever been hit hard with post nut clarity?
The girl turning from 10 to 3 cause you are no longer horny?
Hot girls are still hot after.
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Hugo OP next please
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>>552775925
I would hope the post-nut clarity after fucking a minor like Mio would be worse than anything
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>>552775914
yeah the ones at 20 are bricks
Mika, Rei,Tressa and Selena should be maxed
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>>552774997
you will grow up in a few years and learn to appreciate girls like her instead of big tits waifu nr. 3423
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>>552776381
giga gay
i would make sure she's pregnant and prepare the marriage, build a house
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sure you do stinky neet
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>>552776460
You sound and look muslim
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>>552765007
Hear me out, prePUBEscent combatant... With PUBES!
>but how?
Chaos influence, naturally!
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>>552776409
nobody grows up to be a pedophile, you're just born that way
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>>552776460
Sorry, I'm not that interested in minors.
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>>552777117
Or wait, even better - a girl with small tentacles down there. Just imagine the possibilities!
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>>552777384
this game needs more tentacles
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>>552776409
i know this is satire, but some """""people""""" actually spout this shit unironically
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>>552776829
>>552777357
>>552777632
lol
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Another day, another fighting against epiphany rate RNG.
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>no bread
>only MAPs
grim
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the hugo OP will save us
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>having a crush on an anime girl youve known since you were in middle school is lolicon
go back to xitter/reddit/discord, anime gacha scene is not for you
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I just got E1 Yuki from the standard banner. That + her signature partner should make her a decent character right? Although it seems like E2 may be the game-changer that she needs for some early consistency
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>>552778941
>he was in middle school when k-on came out
Are you sure you're old enough to be on here?
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>>552733990
Lol but I agree with the counter argument more and your comment reeks of salt
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>kon released in 2020
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>>552778941
FUAARRRKING FACTS BROTHER SPEAK YOUR SHIT KING

THESE TRANNIES DONT KNOW SHIT
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>>552738925
You sound like a brainlet that struggles with math and you can play the game by feel. Go to Max level and just stack hard on a character to understand what pushes a deck over the edge with the memory limit counter if you are that lazy
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>satire
lmao
lol
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>>552752159
Her ego attack makes me diamonds. My brain is alway thighs, tits then that glint
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this cow makes me so horny every time
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>>552765359
The fuck why didn't I put 2 and 2 together with the biboo art.
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I NEEED NEW FUCKING CONTENT ALREADY THIS FUCKING BORING CHORE GAME
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SEX
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>>552733508
best take in the thread. doomer trolls btfo and tressa concerners should immediately kill themselves.
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Nothing interesting in the data.pack. No narja kit leaks.
Here's Sereniel collapse art in case no one has posted it yet
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>>552775914
You have the armor combo trio. The bottom 3 are fun to do runs with since armor stacking trivialises runs you may have suffered from in the past. It is relaxing when you get nuked on a run then steam roll with what is considered subpar.
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>armor
lol
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>>552780979
My Sereniel still hasn't broken down yet, kinda impressive
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>>552778191
I was on my way to God roll the perfect deck just needed move copies but died fucking around with a cthulu. Feel dumb.
Aromata had 0 ap cost 2 morale
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Here's the other one.
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>no new threads
You lazy fucks, hold on
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>>552778941
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The Nightmare is Ongoing...
>>552781476
>>552781476
>>552781476



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