Hoodwink II>INFORMATION & GUIDESWiki: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:GameNews: https://dota2.com/newsPatches: https://dota2.com/patchesUpdates: https://dota2.com/news/updatesLore: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/LoreFor League players: https://dotabuff.com/learn/lolBug tracker: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issuesX: https://x.com/dota2>STATISTICShttps://dota2protracker.com/https://dotabuff.comhttps://opendota.comhttps://stratz.comhttps://stats.spectral.ggPersonal game data: https://steamcommunity.com/my/gcpd/>ESPORTShttps://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Esportshttps://datdota.comhttps://dota2.com/esportshttps://gosugamers.net/dota2Previous: >>554364561
FIRST NIGGERS HAHAHAH
>>554597178
Why do people only go green dk? The armor reduction doesn't stack so it's only -3 armor and some dot. That cant be better than a free skadi from blue or being able aoe stun and farm faster as red.
i want to play dota but i don't want to play dota, any games for this feel?
>>554597980Warcraft 3
annual behaviour reset should be allowedit is literally impossible to climb once you get dragged far enough into the crab bucket
>>554598034>LITERALLY CANT STOP BITCHING AT MY TEAMMATES, QUICKWHEELING "WELL PLAYED", QUESTIONING THEIR SKILL, JUST GENUINELY MAKING MY TEAM TILT>WTF LE BEHAVOIOUR SCORE?!?!?!?!STAY BAD, REDDITORONLY CONSTANT
>>554598353t. crab in the bucket
>>554598479>T. IM INVINCIBLE (ALTHO JUST ATTACKED)
>>554597980I've been jamming Solasta.
>>554597425KICK THIS RAT OFF THE PLANE!
>>554597980pubg
are there any drawfriends afoot
>>554598034no one wants to play with youtake a hint and leave
>>554600171Nevermind, I just built Ring+Phase>Maelstrom and we dunkedBought AC to go with +armor talent since we had a Razor into their Tide/Corrosive DK and we dogwalked the rax immediately, even though Lion fed four times in a row before level 3
ITS SO FUCKING OVER AAAAAA
>>554603126Hopefully not
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>40 minute queue time>go for a piss>come back>you failed to ready up please wait>2m55s remaining:(
NEW META SKIP WK ULT FOR STATS
>>554606627PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE HELL OF:>ACCEPT MATCH>FORGET I ACCEPT>ABANDON FROM LACK OF PICK
Man I really want to fuck a deer
phylactery meteor hammer leshrac?
>>554608721me too kid
>>554608721hey buddy this isn't /k/
mason and pookiepookie both checked out so early and now theres no one to watch :^(
>>554609976Could have fooled me
What the fuck is this onions mentality in Dota, your team can collectively go 0/20 in 14 actual minutes while you pull 4/0 midlane and you say "That was a really rough game, idk what I should do, dying that much feels like borderline griefing">lmao stop being so serious>It's not ranked, quit crying>get over it lmao>move on>focus on yourself>why didn't you help lanes>what could you have done, don't worry about team>u just lose sometime haha :^)Is the game really so unfun the majority of the playerbase is incapable of saying "Yeah, your teammates were really bad, wtf" and instead choose to farm drama and be facetious and dishonest?I'm fuming, if I get any angrier I'll cum
>>554610741UM MEMEBACK IS LITERALLY THE GAME NOWTHE GAME IS LITERALLY "DONT DIE" WHICH IS BEYOND FAGGOTRYEVERYONE IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN DYING TO NAME OUT THE META AND I FINNALLY JUST CRACKED ITITS "DONT DIE" WHICH IS FAGGOT NIGGER REDDIT HELLHALF THE TEAMFIGHTS ARE KITEFESTS AND THAT ISNT REFLECTIVE OF META ANTICS
I just got Overwatched, banned for 24 hours and sent to low priority because I got mid while queueing for all roles to farm tokens and had to go up against a smurf. I fed my brains out (not on purpose) and boom, low priority. The funny thing is that I literally won 6 games in a row after that one, so I'm 100% sure that was the game that fucked me.I literally lost 1300 BS and I'll have to play like 10 single draft games because the game put me mid against some poor russian that boosts accounts to make a living. Not sure if I'm gonna keep on playing the game after this one, gonna take those 24 hours to reassess if this game is worth the hassle.
>>554611813IM SURE IF YOU TYPED IN ALL CHAT "SMURF" YOU WOULDVE LOOKED GOOD IN CHATTHIS IS LIKE THE ONLY GAME IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU CAN LEGIT ALLCHAT BULLSHIT
>>554611984Everyone knew I was up against a smurf, I even told my team to come help me mid and when a support tried to gank we both died. I think they just took their frustration out on me by mass reporting me and some retarded Overwatched clicked guilty without even watching the replay, idk. Here's my 5 matches after that game, I shitstomped all of them and got sent to low priority randomly after those 5 games lmao.
>>554612306these are the stats of a smurf
pos4 injoker is the only good thing about nudota
>>554612470I'm not, just a guy who quit the game 2 years ago and came back last month and the game calibrated me at 4.6k MMR for some reason so I'm climbing pretty quickly, I'm already at 5.3 but this happened and now IDK if I'm gonna keep playing
>>554612697Forgot to mention cause I'm sleepy but I had 6.6k MMR before I quit, I feel like it's a matter of honor that I at least get back to Immortal but idk if I'm gonna keep on playing now
>>554610741Oh boy and don't forget you can't ever say shit to your team in game eitherAny shotcall or recommendation will remind them they're fucking 0/8 and getting ran down like a dog for maxing Mana Drain against Lycan>Please try to use your CC after mine ends so we can keep them disabled longer>Try to hit CM during her ult, even if she's invis she doesn't have BKB yet and you can just ground target where she isAnd now you're going to get jebaited into every fight, Lion running in circles, blinking in like he's about to hit a 4-man Earth Spike and Turn. This. Shit. Around.lolnohe's going to run back to fountain and spam ping your death timer (you are now 5/2 to his 0/12, not for lack of the 16/0 Lycan trying)>>554612306>4/14 gets you sent to the shadowrealm in rankedkekwwish it were true anywhere else
>>554434067im working on it
>>554611813>>554612306if you're actually telling the truth (i kind of doubt it, but i'll assume you are) this is insane lmaothere's no way i'd still play the game after this i would be fuming so hard right now, legit might have broken a mouse or something
>>554615665It's actually the truth lmao. The only reason I'm not THAT angry is because I've been winning the vast majority of games (for the reasons I've explained), winning puts you in a good mood I guess. I'm more disappointed than anything.Sometimes you can just tell your opponent's skill level by how they play and the smurf/booster guy that did this to me was very very good, probably at least 12k. I looked like a baby. That's another reason why I'm not that mad, he was just good at the game. I'm disappointed at the system for being so shit.
>>554612547Not really. He still hungers for both Exp and gold of mid. I miss Quas-Wex support-voker. But any attempt to make it viable would just get abused.
Buff Hoodwink
>>554611813Dota is RETVRNING to tradition. The behavior system has always been a weapon of spite.One of my proudest achievements in this game was getting LP after a decent pre-reddit Techies winstreak.
>>554617387Hoodwink in the buff
>>554616076just play the low prio games and keep climbing, it's like 3 wins, it should be pretty quick
>>554618198Nah, that was automated before. Overwatch means a human has to look at, and decide that winning is griefing. And take it from someone who knows, doing badly, feeding, losing and having teammates rage in allchat at you is already not guaranteed to result in anything. On the other hand, misplays that qualify as "throwing" can. I had success with... teammate dying alone at level 20+ in enemy jungle, and teammate farming and showing up late to a high ground teamfight.
>>554597980Like >>554598019 said, Warcraft is a good option. You might like other RTS games like AOE2 possibly, though that one is less hero-focused
>>554596847I seriously don't get how to play these games man. I watch so many "noob" videos and "guides" and try to play the in-game tutorials (the half that aren't non-functional anyway) and yet nothing makes sense when I'm in a real match. I feel like I'm playing well, I'm out-poking and winning my lane, then suddenly the enemy is appearing out of nowhere and deleting my health. I put down wards and never see anyone despite constantly getting snuck up on.I can never finish anyone off, and after dying a few times I just snowball but don't know how to stop feeding without just AFKing at the base and pissing off my team. Nobody ever types any toxic shit at me so I guess that's been nice so far but I know my team hates me and blames me for us losing, and they're right. I might not have the autism gene to comprehend all the shit going on around me that I need to understand and see, and fights go by so fast I never have a moment to think about what to do. I'm stunned and dead in an instant. I want to like this game SO BAD because there's so much that appeals to me, why can't I learn?
>>554622831I just started playing (~50hrs) and have been having good games as pos 5 crystal maiden (just had a game where I DIDN'T DIE and got MVP which is a huge improvement to previously). What heros/pos have you been playing?
>>554611813>broken tutorials>no attempt to matchmake noobs with other noobs>will get reported and have your matchmaking fucked if you suck at the gameI don't think I've ever heard of another game or genre that is so bad at onboarding players holy fuck how are these games not all dead.
>>554622831Nobody ever does for the first 100 hours.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mahHF8dIeVg
>>554623075nobody cares because 99% of "new" players are boosters and smurfs anyway
>>554623040Just Dragon Knight and Sniper really. They seem so basic I don't have to worry as much about learning my character and can just focus on learning fundamentals, but I just don't know what to do after I start eating shit early in the match. It feels impossible to come back.>>554623080There's no way I'll be able to spend 100 hours going 0-10 without getting screeched at in chat and my name remembered by every decent player or reported into oblivion like these other anons are talking about.
>>554623217>There's no way I'll be able to spend 100 hours going 0-10 without getting screeched at in chat and my name remembered by every decent player or reported into oblivion like these other anons are talking about.Then don't play Ranked. Simple. Play against bots. Play with a coach.
>>554623280>Then don't play Ranked.I don't.>Play against bots.Then I have the opposite problem. Bots don't behave like people. I can sleep through a bot match. It's like playing a completely different game.>Play with a coach.Even IF there were people willing to do that for free, I am already panicking enough wasting my teammates' time sucking, I don't need to waste some coach's time failing to learn anything after all the other learning resources I've tried did nothing.I'm also not going to buy a headset just to get coached in a MOBA.
>>554623217Do you have any replays we could see? My guess is that as Sniper you don't know when to show yourself and/or where to position. For DK, probably playing too agressively? I fed soooo much when I first started playing because I didn't (and still don't completely) understand when I can trade, get a kill, OR when I'm in danger.This captcha is annoying af, add me on discord or something (jam8910) and I can maybe try suggest things that helped me
>>554623417Actually, what am I talking about? Play Ranked. Unranked matchmaking is all sorts of fucked. Ranked, at least, tries to match you against people of similar skill level. i.e. shitters, such as yourself.
>>554623478>Do you have any replays we could see?I do not. If the game has a built in replay save feature I probably turned it off to save on drive space.>My guess is that as Sniper you don't know when to show yourself and/or where to position.>For DK, probably playing too agressively?Absolutely, which is actually why I opted for a ranged character like Sniper. It seemed like it was working out at first, but then I started getting ganked and could never see it coming. I would get killed just trying to push lanes when nobody is around. I guess I don't know where to position, I stick to other players if they're in the lane with me or with minions if I'm by myself. No matter what I'd always have enemies appear and destroy me before I have a chance to react. It felt like they would just teleport in en masse.>This captcha is annoying af, add me on discord or something (jam8910) and I can maybe try suggest things that helped meI'm too much of a nervous wreck to take this any further than the anonymity of a 4chan thread but I appreciate your willingness to help.
>>554622831Watch streamers, don't watch guides. Guides don't teach you anything really. Just watch streamers and mimic what they do on a macro level.
>>554624207Any recommendations?
one failed high ground push and the enemy team memeback's their way into the game
>>554623829Regarding positioning:If you're a squishy low-health low-mobility character like Sniper, you need to be super careful and always be checking the map to see where enemies are. If no enemies are showing on the minimap, BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL and don't let yourself be seen. That's when you're most likely to get ganked. BUT if the enemy team all shows mid when you're bottom, you know where they are and that they can't just ambush you.Enemy teams are likely seeing you, a lone sniper pushing a lane and know that they can pick you off without consequence. They probably ARE teleporting in just to kill you.During teamfights, don't let yourself sit in the front line. You should be behind all your teammates, only appearing to your enemy when you can deal lots of damage without getting punished.I rly recommend saving replays, so that you can see where enemies are and what they are doing when you're dying
>>554624281Topson just started streaming right now.
>>554624554unironically much better advice is to tell newbies to just not pick sniper or drow at all. i did that with my retard friends and it helped immensely
>>554624689Yes, I agree lol. I started playing Lion (who is VERY squishy and positioning reliant), and found myself dying extremely easily. While I now play Crystal Maiden (who seems even MORE squishy), I feel like it gave me really good practice for learning how to position. Another thing is that I didn't really consider power spikes, and so I would run at people like they were still lvl 1 and get demolished by a bunch of spells I had no idea existed. I still have the same issue, just with items now. As squishy characters, pretend that if you show on the map YOU JUST DIE and you will play a lot better.>>554623829 I also recommend you look into using trees to hide yourself - breaking line of sight can make it waaay harder for them to target you. Also know that right-clicking on somebody to auto-attack them will reveal you to them, whether they can see you or not.
>>554624554I guess I need to work on understanding how and when I'm visible. I assumed I only appear on the map when an enemy has me in their line of sight. Judging by the way you talk about it they can see me even if I'm nowhere near any of them or any wards?And if I'm alone in lane should I not be pushing minions into towers? What should I be doing then?
>>554624689>>554625258Duly noted.
>>554625907Creeps and towers give the enemies vision of you too! When you're pushing a wave and you get close to the creeps, the whole team can see you.You CAN push waves when alone, but you need to avoid being seen when possible. Perhaps try pushing the wave quickly, running and hiding in the trees (or farming a safe nearby camp), waiting a moment to see if anyone approaches to push the wave back, and the go from there. DO NOT walk alongside your creeps!!! Walk in the treeline or follow from a little further behind. When you are killing the wave, do it quickly and then disengage.
>>554623417Post match ids here and people will give you tips
Who are the easiest hard supports to pick? It's the last one I'm missing a hero for.
>>554626697Thanks this is actually the most helpful advice yet.
Where is that dumbshit anyways
PURE DOTA
Jesus fucking Christ, do not go late game against Sand King. It is literally unwinnable. 6k AOE magical damage. Nothing will help you, if he melts that Aghs and gets a Refresher.
>>554628474Shadow Shaman, if the enemy offlane doesn't respect your disables.
good morning dotards
>>554632757just cancel blink
shaman solo ults enemy pos 5 for the 30th time again
>>554632757High ground defense against a farmed Sand King is unbearable.Short list of heroes I hate going high ground against:- Sniper, Medusa, Drow, Jakiro, Sand King, Underlord, TuskOnce had a game where the entire enemy team abandoned except for a Sand King. Took us almost an hour to breach high ground and kill him so we could throne. Granted this was when he still had the unlimited spikes but still, I have PTSD from that so I make sure to always have a plan to kill him first.
>>554634346Whoops, I meant high ground OFFENSE, since SK is the defender.
>>554610741Speaking for ranked, mid is the shittiest role, they expect so much from a mid player, if I win my lane and make 2 rotations to help our carry, and our offlane is shit, they will tilt, if vice versa happens, safelane will tilt, they want you to be present everywhere on the map, if they gave 15 kills to pudge before minute 20 so he has million hp stacks they will die in some stupid spot and say "where mid wtf" expecting you to win unwinnable games, and if you carry the entire game or win the unwinnable no one says anything.Also most think mid should start making constant rotations once they reach level 6 which is not even fucking true and depends on the hero, and anyways you'd be giving up the opportunity to control runes, take enemy tower, jungle and triangle, people are so insanely stupid it hurts.
Magic is an abomination >:[
phylactery lc
i don't think i'll ever bother to make these niggas visible
>>554637435muerta is fun aside from having the voice and personality of a wet paperbag inside the pocket of a hoboall new heroes aside from MK suffer from this for some reason
Are the sticker capsules set up so that you don't get glitter dupes? It feels that way
Marci has the sweetest personality!
haven't crafted the palicos yet i keep spending rares on sticker capsules LOL i got addicted to the gacha
>>554637435ur missing out on ringmaster
>>554637435muerta is cool other 3 can suck a chode
>>554637771>>554638685all 2 muerta fans have arrived
>>554639495i don't like the heroi like big right clicks
>>554638096It's just a gacha. You're merely unlucky.
>>554638378he is kind of fun but every single old support does 10x more without le epic and funni gimmicks
I preferred when Neutral items were random dropsThey had more interesting effects and stats as well
>>554641209What, you don't like half the neutrals being useless dogshit?
i only have success in this game if i'm spamming spellcel midchud heroes... i wish i was a carryBVLL but i'm too stupid...
>>554623075Dota 2 is a game of effort. not willing to learn their hero, enemy herors, match ups, item match ups, lanes, creeps, jungle, runes, farming, timings, trees map, etc...then the fact of the matter is they have no thick skin and have zero care on how to improve as a player in dota
>>554641976And to add, this applies to anything in life. Either put in the hours or find another hobby.
STOP REJECTING GAMES YOU FUCKING ZIGGERSYOU'RE NOT GETTING A BETTER GAME AT 12PM WEDNESDAY
Oh, look at it go!
>>554642182t. low bs cuck
>all the unlockable Progression voicelines for antimage are for the male version that stinks. i want a voiceline of Wei saying "no mana. no mana. YOU HAVE NO MANA"
>>554642537File a github issue.
>>554623075there is a new player queue you fucking retard
the new t5 neutrals feel so limp
>>554623075
>>554643172that's what happens when all the power is in the augments
>>554642537That's wrong though
>Huskar jumps on me>blink away>he eats shit from the tower>Huskar jumps on me>blink away>he eats shit from the tower>Huskar jumps on me>blink away>he eats shit from teammates>Huskar jumps on me>he pops Linkens>he diesBullying the lane bully is such a satisfying experience.
>>554643292>being able to summon 2 sets of necrobook minions isnt powerfulhmmmmm
>>554643587at 60 minutes?
>>554644078could be 120 minutes and they would still be game breaking
Is it me or Slark's Saltwater Shiv does absolutely nothing and you're better off taking stats?
What's a good hero against early deathball?
>>554644329Correct
>>554623075because the game is the greatest game made lol
Is it just me or newer heroes like Hoodwink have weird voice quality to themIt's like the words they say are suppressed and are under some odd filter, can't really explain it
>>554644479undying
>>554644658soulless voice actorsjust compare any old hero to them
>>554644767What pos?
>old good>new bad
>>554644658Hoodwink used to have a really weird filter on her release that they scrapped like two days after in a hotfix, valve was obsessed with shitty filters around that time just listen to the arcanas
The worst filter issues are actually on the really old heroes they added additional lines to, puck and furion have a couple of lines with a completely different filter than most other lines.
can we go back to the smaller map now
>>554645845no
>>554645967pls
>>554645454And Rubick's Arcana's voicelines are actually his voicelines without the filter.
>>554645993no
>>554645454voice line examples?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRRX_0XwfsBulldog is now just 6k, his name is on the aegis though.
>>554647069>watching cuckdoglmao
>>554647287he is a pillar of dota streamersbeside arteezy and singsing
>>554647647>sharqueefy LMAOdoes holy penisman even play dota anymore
>>554647731hes streaming 12 hours a day 7 days a week in 2026
Should I play a match against real people today?
>>554647872Yes
*presses the kill everyone in the thread button*
>>554648226Okay... I need a few hours to work up some courage though
no esports today?
>>554648498fortunately i had my linken's sphere equipped
>>554648498LOTUS ORB
>>554648659>>554648751it's not unit target dotard
>>554648523Just do it
>>554647287it's literally just a youtube vid not his stream what
>>554648498*presses counterspell*
>>554649313>watching cuckdoglmao
>>554648776
>>554648793Adopting that style of go-getter attitude is... a little difficult for me.
>>554649759Just adopt it
>>554649529ok
>>554648498thx for triggering my aeon disk asshole, id slap you if I could deal any damage right now
>>554648498how do you kill that which has no life
won my first ranked game as phlactery meteor hammer dragon knight and it felt GREATthe aoe bonus that dk's passive gives meteor hammer is insane, at 18 its practically an entire screen the best part is that you get suspiciously wealthy as you're always pushing lanes and blowing up jungle camps with breathe fire so the blink afterward comes quickly and from there you can buy all sorts of fun items like agh and sheepi will be keeping this in my pocket for when i have to play offlane
>>554598034you deserve your animal score
>>554651021meme hammer dk is like 2 years old at this point
>>554598034I've had a lot of experience with the behavior score system and my recent experiences confirm what I've always thought. It's pretty much impossible to drop from high behavior score unless you literally just run it down mid and break your items while calling your teammates niggers multiple games in a row. The ONLY thing that nukes your behavior score when you're at that level is abandoning games. If you abandon 2 games you legitimately lose like 3k, it's a big no-no. It's honestly much better for you if you straight up grief those games instead of quitting.The opposite is also true, it's nearly impossible to go up if you're down enough. You have to pull some pretty insane tactics to not get reported, and it's still nearly impossible. You could put a 12k perfect player in there and he would not be able to get out. I know that player, because he is me in the past. I bought a new account and my behavior core still has not dropped below 11.3k in 2 years, while my main account is completely fucked and down in the trenches despite my best efforts.
>mfw my offlaner is a meme hammer dk vacuuming up all the farm from lanes
>>554651667that may be true however wyrms wrath aoe increase is a newer feature i think? in either case its good to keep these things up to date especially in this time of pos 3 despair
>>554652069I miss Dark Souls
>>554651782does buying an account actually work? i heard it just gets flagged
if i used to have a steam account with ~70 hours of dota and never played ranked but don't have access to it anymore will i be flagged if i play ranked on my current account? i am dogshit if that matters
>>554652657You have to be smart about it and buy an older account (mine was created in 2016), not a brand new one. Then you have to reinstall Windows to change your PC's ID so it doesn't get flagged. Older accounts are usually a bit more expensive though.
>>554652972>Then you have to reinstall Windows to change your PC's IDlmao
>>554611813whoever told all the schizos how to see this score made the worst mistake in the history of this gamedudes really spend hours here drawing conclusions on their good boy score instead of just playing the game and not acting like a complete subhuman
>>554640338There are exactly zero supports that have 200 damage aoe nuke at level 1.>Snip-I am going to gouge out your eyeballs.
>>554653064That was what I was instructed to do and it worked. Those russians literally make a living from selling accounts, they know how the system works.
>>554653614>12k behaviour and comm score>still get matched with degenerates that scribble on the minimap, because they're fucking mutedSo. What's your account, so I can report you?
>>554653886No idea why that has anything to do with what I'm talking about but that has never happened to me, you're probably accepting low quality matches with high BS variance. Get dota plus to see the match quality before accepting it.
>>554654167>Get dota plusUhh...
>>554652510you could play it right now
Wyvern is OP by the way
>>554654285it wouldnt be the same
>>554654328we know, froggie
>>554654806>those two dudes who played her as carry and wonwtflol
>>554654924unironically viable, witch blade into aghs is a massive timing
>>554654924Considering how many Pos 4's are griefers, they probably pranked the lane by bringing another hard support, and the enemy just lost control of every lane.
>>554654328by the way while perusing dota2protracker i saw this in the carry sectionthere's an actual forced 50 system in the game, and it's called... radiant and dire
>>554654806>worst winrate is 5lmao
Really wish those pros and high MMR players would stop buying Mjolnir every single game on Weaver. Take the Desolatorpill, you will literally kill everything instantly for 20 minutes with Deso + Shard, farm at the same speed (or faster) and it's cheaper.
>>554657106>no stun>pushes lane with harass>shitty range>5 more speed than Crystal Maiden
>it's yet another deathball game at minute 10How do I stop it?
>>554658826Are you factoring in the cost of mana to spam Shukuchi just to farm?
>>554659559Yeah, it's really not that bad. Everyone's buying Falcon Blade anyways and that helps a lot. I think I buy like 2 clarities at most every game. Honestly I don't have mana issues on pretty much any hero now, even Clinkz who's historically a mana starved hero feels fine nowadays.
>>554659550Pick the Real Techies oh wait
>>554659781>FREE mana hack t2 item>FREE mana regen from neutral itemsthe game has been easy mode-ified
>play on le dire>le lose
>>554660359...I miss Arcane Ring.
>all Neutral items with stats got removed or the stats got removed>enchantments onlyDamn, did it ruin the balance that badly?
>>554661128That change didn't really affect the game's balance, it only removed RNG from the equation basically. You can always pick the stats you want now instead of relying on RNG to drop the item that had the stats you wanted.
>>554661339Still suspicious that Royal Jelly triggered many hissy fits.
>>554659550splitpush
But hey! At least most of the tier 1-3 items being kind of shit is an indirect buff to Dormant Curio.
>>554661857>UNRELENTING EYE>SHIT>WEIGHTED DICE>SHIT
>>554662018>This bonus is decreased for every enemy hero within the wielder's attack range.I mean, yeah?
>>554661857At least they aren't as bad as t4 items, not a single good t4 item this patch
>>554662365Yeah... that's what the curio is for.
>>554662365*hobbles you*
>>554662518It's for buffing the t5 items?
>>554662839Oh no no no. All those buffs are just gilding the lily. And if you're planning the game to go 60+ minutes, something has gone terribly wrong.
>>554663027What else then, even with the curio buff the t4 items are trash, never a reason to exchange the t3 for a t4
>>554663527Bota and Maul from Curio are actually pretty alright.
>>554632835I'll try him out. It's a role I desperately need to fill which is strange because support was one of my main roles in League but I can't find ones that really click for me here. Heroes that absolutely would be considered supports in that game like Dawnbreaker, Enigma, Underlord, etc. are usually put into the offlane.
>>554663607Carrytranny items, who cares.
The only thing I care about with neutrals is the free morbid mask if you get lucky at tier 2.
>>5546636471 Shackles, 1 Hex, then max Shock. Manage your fucking mana. You have fifteen minutes where you are the strongest hero on the map, and you better make it count. No, you do not pick the giant ward facet, you fucking memer.
>>554664102Uhh... that's just an enchantment?
arteezy 24/7 fucking up and then blaming anyone but him, it's embarrassing to watch
>>554664561and?
>>554664728hes just like me
>tfw all the neutral items are underwhelming, because the Frog expects you to make use of marginal bonuses>like a pro>it's not about one efficiency>it's about ALL the efficiencies, all the time>mom, I'm clutchin'!But seriously, who the fuck uses Occult Bracelet?
Two games in a row I'm getting owned by smurfs on Tinker. What's going on?
>Pollywog Charm>heal 8>duration 14>112 hp>Tango>heal 7>duration 16>112 hpVery funny, IceFrog.
>>554665347OCCULT BRACELET IS ROUGHLY 2 MANA REGENI BET YOU DONT PLAY ANY BROOL HEROES AND SUCK DICK AS CARRYFAGGOT AND SUPPORTLOSEREVER PICK A TINY FAGGOT?
I don't play tiny faggot, no.
>>554666280EXACTLY FUCK OFF NO VERSATILITY COCKSUCKERYOU ARE -NOT- A REAL DOTA PLAYERWHAT YOU SAY, THINK, AND EXPORT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER
>>554641976>>554642117lol shut up nerd
>>554643242NTA but that mode has bots and doesn't give MonHun rewards if they're trying to get those.>>554641976>>554643065>>554644565>dude comes in to vent and gets calm, helpful responses and perhaps walks away a bit better at the game>americans wake up and suddenly useless shitpost answers come rolling inlollmao
two hardfought 1hr+ games in a row
https://voca.ro/1fI5JRAFm8Hf
im channeling meteor hammer RIGHT NOW!!!
Skipping magic stick/wand to get your boots upgrade is almost always better unless both enemies are spell casters or spammers like bristle or sky. Assuming you still buy branches for the early stats that 350 gold saved means you get your items two creep waves faster meaning you farm camps/gank earlier.Not to mention buying extra tangoes or clarities can be more cost effective unless you get 10+ charges a minute.I say this because almost every single guide recommends magic wand as an early game item when actually good wand matchups are rarer than you'd think.
>>554664728it's chad energy you wouldnt get it
>>554668882you say this, but wand is probably the best early item in the entire game regardless of what draft youre facing
>>554664280Appreciate it a lot. Just faced with a Shadow Shaman and he just shackled, ulted, and won.
>>554658826Mjollnir gives AS and Shard + chain lightning procs is mad damage
>>554669098I'd say stick is better alone than upgraded most of the time, outside of those matchups I talked about. It's nearly half the cost and "saving charges" is a trap. I've turned to using the branches with tangoes and not upgrading stick if I do buy it.
shard + deso rush core mirana. think about it dotards
>>554668301based
>>554648226>>554648793>>554649803it was horrible it was horrible it was horrible it was horrible it was horriblemy teammates started toxic-tipping memy whole day is ruined and its not even 1PM
>play hero with save ablity>the ability is on 2s cd when some retard is dying>have to ping click it during fight so the retard won't tilt for the rest of the game if he clicks my heroat some point you just get used to all the kind of idiots playing this game
>>554670503but when he click on u the spell is off cd?? why u didnt cast it??
>>554670503>ping false promise on 2s cd>core dies>spams false promise (ready) three times in a row
>>554670503>be abaddon>skills on cd>ally dies
>>554668186>french
>support picks sand kind>stands behind me during laning phase thanks for the 'support'
>>554671394god tried to punish him with a tinker smurf, sadly the smurf failed at his duty
disurptors's glimpse not being dodgeable by euls anymore was the beginning of the end i think
Dotards how do I improve my laning phase? Sometimes, the enemy has 2 more levels than me despite being just farming and trading damage, or when I win my lane I end up losing the game.
>>554672848>anymore
>>554673316Have you tried killing them or preventing them from getting any farm?
>>554673316>Sometimes, the enemy has 2 more levels than me despite being just farming and trading damagethis doesn't happen in a vacuumtry to figure out why that is and maybe you'll learn something
>>554673316If you're truly clueless, post a replay ID.You could also not post the replay but just watch it yourself. Count how many last hits they get, how much exp that adds up to, and how much you get in comparison and why that difference starts adding up. You could then post the replay ID anyway and ask what you could've done differently when you can't figure something out.
This game places me against fellow noobs who didn't take the time to learn the game, I go 32-2, then next game it matches me against people with thousands of hours played and I go 3-14.This loop sucks. How about some balanced matches?
>>554673316>when I win my lane I end up losing the game.Dota is not League, it is not impossible or even unusual for this to happen.
>>554674887keep playing the game
>>554675971How will that change anything
>>554676101you wont be a noob
>>554674887Those shitters with thousands of hours who are still stuck below 2k MMR are genuinely that bad. They might have a couple practiced combos or whatever, but they are very much, as bad as a newbie. Their thousands of hours is a mark of shame, not something to be feared.
>>554673473it used to be a good item to buy against disruptor because you could euls yourself when he glimpses you and you dont get pulled backit does not work like that nowthe game was better when you could do that
i wish veil was a real item and not a recipe with stats
>>554676513It never worked like that
remember when veil was good on disruptor because it gave you a third aoe spell to line up with your fence and storm
Is there a game mode in which I'm not at risk of being sent to low prio for playing a shit hero like earth spirit? I want these sweet shards.
>>554676879sorry i didn't mean to say it was good, it was pretty shit actually, but people would buy it for that reason
>>554676454>but they are very much, as bad as a newbie.In a way it's even worse than that. Long-time shitters all have maladaptive habits that they have to unlearn.Though in anon's case if he's playing unranked, he may not necessarily be playing against tards. It effectively does not have matchmaking balance even though it technically has hidden MMR.
>>554677214>earth spirit>shitHe's actually OP but you need to be autistic to play him
>>554676715then build it into shivas
I want to play pos1 but I have performance anxiety I'm scared I'll suck
Should I rush Blink Dagger as Enigma support?
>>554676454xVANCER CANCER NIGGER POSTER HEREDOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING IS A NIGGER POSTERTHIS IS A NIGGER POSTERLEGIT NIGGER POSTERDO NOT LISTEN TO THIS NIGGER
>>554677512just pick a carry that runs at niggas for gold. you will probably shart the bed regardless so keep it simple to stay focused
Just getting into Dotard. What are the best skins that are unobtainium forever I missed ? I want my FOMO senses to tingle. I already know of Wraith King who had a Skeleton skin.
>>554677739What about DK
>>554677814Some of the fomo skins are coming back as ultra rare skins in the treasure chestsThe actual eternal fomo shit are the map skins
>>554677814Boner King skin is actually still obtainable, just gotta spend a fuckton for the Xmas Santa skin and you get it automatically.Just look up "Arcanas". Half of them are obtainable, half of them aren't. Like Io Companion Cube is unobtainable. And currently, Drow Arcana. etc. Most of the rest are still obtainable either directly from Valve, from market, or from spending a fuckton on the gacha.
>>554655591What causes this? The map is literally mirrored now, I don't get it
>>554677814You can buy Skeleton King on the market now, they reran itonly truly FOMO skins are sets from old cavern crawls which are nothing special; some immortal items from old battle passes; Io arcana; naked Axe immortal set; immortal set for Tiny and I think that's itthere are battle pass arcanas that are unobtainable but because there's a precedent for reruns (WK, Windranger) they're fair game in the future, with the exception of Io like mentionedthe true FOMO you missed out on is this fucking pimping thinghttps://liquipedia.net/dota2/Immortal_Gardens
>>554678054>>554678098>>554678183>spoonfeeding retards
>>554678054Damn that's a shame I'm not a big fan of the map (Dire side, kinda dislike the dead lanscape aesthetics)
>>554678228you will never be an oldfag>>554678253there's a really good map skin that's always available because it's in the store and not tied to any eventshttps://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_King%27s_New_Journey
>>554678228Eat shit nigger>>554678253Do NOT look up what you missed
>>554678228dis nigga is a wannabe jannie lmaaaooo
>>554678183Fuaaark that actually looks amazing, what a shame.>>554678098Thanks for the tip.
>mfw have the drow arcana and hate playing drow>mfw missed out on the spectre arcana and spec is my favorite hero
>>554678507>had 65%+ winrate on drow>got the arcana>straight losses until 50% winratelove my life love being alive
>>554678228I'm just here to type BONER KING, you peasant.
I think when you predict your win and you already have a 3+ prediction so it's announced your team throws out of spite
>>554678747I used to have a bag with 14 predictions and I threw it because I wanted to use the other bag, and missclicked
>>554677880sure>>554678507i have 7 arcanas and almost never play the heroes they're for...
>>554678747I don't think this is true for predictions, it's completely meaningless anyways.However this is 100% true for double downs, there's no question about it in my mind. The moment you announce double downs your team throws out of spite and the enemy team plays like it's TI finals just to make sure you don't win. Biggest bait in the game.I say this as someone who had a 90% winrate on the old double downs (when you didn't announce it).
>mid sf has lower damage than pos 5not even mad that's impressive
Supports really get to dictate how the whole game goes, huh
>>554678159movement towards the bottom left is inherently more difficult than towards the top rightui elements block vision towards the bottom aswell
Started role queuing with Pos 2-5 and pick enchantress every timeI've been on a crazy winstreak, and when we lose I feel like I've done well and contributed a lot. Going to get out of heraldWhat are the counters to this hero? I think people at my skill level simply have no idea how to play around her and I'm going to get raped in a couple ranks
>>554678159>The map is literally mirrored nowNo?
>>554679913not really as they cant hg
>>554680459Fat nukes and bkb on carries
>>554678159subtle differences in ancient areas
>>554680459she dies in 2 nukes and is pretty easy to dive
>>554678159Timing of rosh and tormentor aligns with Radiant triangle at around the 16-20min mark and makes it easier for radiant to control said objectivesIt mightve been about the UI and clicking down/clicking up before but now that the game is an objective fest like league it's about said objectives not being balanced with regards to general hero timings (who become strong around the 16-19mn mark)
lowkirkenuninely winning all the games i get to buy meteor hammer in
>>554680459i spam pos 3 ench and for me vessel is the worst counter, never saw anyone smart enough to build it tho up until my last two games (archon V), still won those anyway
>>554671750
>>554681348i don't even get the purpose of the item since it doesn't even stun anymore, or barely
>>554681729it makes towers die and does a lot of damage to gamers who get hit by it
I kepe playing Brewmaster and I can't stop
>>554681729Only the Ancient and Melee Barracks have health regen. So unless you have a Treant, all damage done to buildings is permanent.
>>55467331699% chance you afk waiting for creeps to come in while the other guy farms the jungle camps on top of that aswell since babby players lane for 15 minutes for some reason
I was watching my herald friend play with 100 games and the average new player is so much better than even a good player in 2013Also half his game was smurfs
why is artour "farty arty" babev afk in the jungle tabbed out again
>>554682127What do you like about that hero?Never played him before
>>554682912Cinder brew combo is fun and does a shit ton of dmg with vesselHis stances are interesting and you get a free butterfly at max drunken brawler for free and at 25 you get 100% evasionAnd his ult annihilates early to mid game and lategame it melts buildings Plus he just got a rework
>>554682127i can't into micro brewlings
>>554681642*enigma jumps into smoke*you both dieShould have spent that time playing the game instead of afking
>>554683550Just throw rock and wind walk brotab tab tab
>>554683550tab poof tab poof tab poofvoid doesnt even exist anymore
>>554623075im also new and after my first 15 games the game dropped me down to 7k and all my queue pops are (1) disruptive. maybe 10% of them are (2) acceptable when it comes to behaviour. absolutely broken system for new players, if you already have 10k matches I guess it doesn't matter tho which is why ppl refuse to address your point.
set in stone
>>554678747>giga chad predicts his team will win (15 streak before this match)there is no world where your teammates think this is a bad thing (may not apply to griefer behavior score bracket many in this general seem to be in)
>>554611813im sorry but this is absolutely hilarious
>>554682127Brew is fun if your lane goes well but he feels just awful to play now if your pos4 is a mongoloid. Midas and Radiance being bad on him especially hurts in pubs.Also I finally got used to using the purple brewling and having that taken away feels shitty.
>>554684934Honestly, I'd find it funny if I wasn't the victim here. Still waiting for that ban to end btw, 7 hours left, very cool.
Brewmaster pos 1
>>554685629i euthanize
>>554686307i had kunkka and arc warden pos 1and the arc warden followed torte de lini guide isntead of buying skadi and nullifer
>>554685364>if your pos4 is a mongoloid>if
>>554686484i wish tidebringer was still goodthank camp saint for making anything but cheese pick arc 2 fucking dogshit grief
Oy vey
Wtf is this after a turbo gameHe's arguing with someone premuted on my teamHe spitting fax tho
>antimage on my teamwhy
>>554681642yeah this perfectly encapsulates him thanksthe cherry on top is that i got blamed
>>554597874towers
>>554610741nigger nobody plays unranked
hmmm i the support have run out of mana, it is time stay back and observe how the other laner will deal with this predicament
>>554611813I hope you never said anything bad about the people complaining about behavior score and getting false reported.Welcome to the midlane life.
>>554677361I'm the anon that asked about him a thread or two ago and I have almost perfect games on him first 20 minutes (we get 15+ kills, I'm 0 deaths, two games) but I feel like I fall off late game, they have bkbs, stats, I feel kind of worthless, I think it's because I try to initiate with W while I should magnetize and keep back or something?I would send replays of the games but they're dogshit, in both we lost because carry was a tard and it was 1h slog.
>>554689094meanwhile my sand king support that you are laning against: "hmm i have full mana lets stand back and observe"
>>554689256Go for the enemy supports
>>554689256Wait out bkbs and save your idiot teammates with grip and aghs.
>>554628474Ember Spirit, because you can just play him as a poverty midlaner, Void Spirit for the same reason, CM because you flashfarm with shard, Jakiro also flashfarms, Lina is also a decent flashfarmer. Chaos Knight is pretty decent, but he can't farm fast.Generally what you are looking for in a pos 5 is being able to get kills early and the ability to farm fast.
>>554652819please help
>>554689629based sociopath teaching newbies to euthanize
>>554652819idkjust do it pussy
>>554663647>Heroes that absolutely would be considered supports in that game like Dawnbreaker, Enigma, Underlord, etc. are usually put into the offlane.These heroes are blatantly not supports, because they all need a shitload of money to do literally anything. They don't have anything too useful inherent in their kit or are heavily positioning reliant.
>>554691634he's talking about brool tank supports in leeg
>>554691887that seems like a retarded conceptdon't they just get popped in literal seconds, how do you brool with something like this?It's not like they have de dusgg :D
>>554691961they just buy auras and shit and runs on the same logic as de dusg spamming stuns jumps and some other displacement
jimbersaw kinda fun with meteor hammer it combines great with his shard and a won lane to just erase all the towers
>playing mid>give my pos1 last pick so he can counter >we load into the game >pos1 says "mid I'm going to need a lot of help" >instantly report him in all six bracketsI just can't abide by it anymore. You have one life to live and a last pick you asked for and you can't even give yourself a fighting lane chance. You walk into the game knowing you're going to lose and you want to preemptively make it my fault. Youre damn right I pre muted the whole team. Youre damn right I didn't say shit and somehow one of them tipped me. I could just tell I was losing behavior score and I was right. Fuck this fuxking community
If they have something like Abaddon, this is probably a good choice?
>>554689460>>554689621When I pick these kind of heroes I just inevitably regret it, I could be playing Clinkz that can take HG, I could be playing SK that can wipe their team out with 2 buttons, I could be playing OD with bullshit damage and survivability, but I have to say ES is super fun and nobody can secure the early to mid game like him.Shame that highground pushes feel so hard tho which is why everything you secure can be thrown away in 2 bad fights despite muh aegis.
>>554693267>pick fun tempo hero>cant go hg and euthanize>enemy scalign late game carries raep ur whole family
>>554694178Yea I always lose against hg techies. But to be honest I might have baited the fight because I missed my stun and flew into 5 mines xd
can batrider please be forgiven for things he did in 2011 please hes so cool hes so close to being a good hero just give napalm back its vision and let firefly have flying vision its not so much please its his turn
>>554694965batrider needs to be fucking deleted from the game, I never want to play against this nigger hero again. One Skywrath Mage is enough. I don't need a second one that actually does something useful for his team.
im thinkin its time to play phylactery ck
>>554695735I played this like 5 times, I won all the games, but my team threw a huge fit over it and I got overwatched for something in those gmae.
>>554695735that sounds awesome anon!! let us know how it goes
>>554695851valid crashout
>>554696498yeah I can't really blame them, it is kind of dogshit and I won these games off pulling a decent tier 5 neutral item with the meme facet.
>>554680956Untouchable pierces debuff immunity so BKB doesn't stop it.Carries do eventually deal with her but only because they buy like +300 AS.
>>554596847any tips or retard-proof heroes for a noob to play so I don't feed?
>>554680459enchantress just straight up is a do nothing hero
>>554696919pick sven rush battlefury
>>554697072got it
Broooooooos did you guys watch the new Dota 2 Power Point video??? That motherfucker ranked my hero as bitchless, I'm so mald right now!!???
>>554697332nice try retard
>>554697332Think of what else you could be doing with your time instead of sitting in a slow general making anonymous posts like this.
>>554697332kill yourself powerfaggot
>>554697332Is there anything more pathetic than onesided parasocial antagonism?
>>554694965bat can't be viable in pubs unless he's extreme next level cancer in high skill games
>>554697332fr daawg you ain't got no aura, on my mama!
>>554697332he called my hero for noobs and faggots and said it was easy and then gave a 45 minute annotated lecture on how to beat itfelt like that was a little meani play outworld devourer
>>554671750So what you're telling me is that you can hard support Sand King?
>>554699138Well OD is a low skill faggot pick so he's right
>>554699419hello mr powerpoint if you're going to have sex with me can u at least mention meteor hammer first its such a sick combo
>>554699419>LE NUKE ULT HERO>SKILLESSKYS REDDIT
>>554694965Batrider with the Sticky on autoattack facet is pretty strongI really don't believe the stoked facet is better even on a pos4 blink lasso machine,
>the "western EU" teams in ESL quals are all actually comprised of eastern EU/nafri/middle eastern playersoh
tHE FUCK IS THE POINT OF 80% MAGIC RESIST AND 80% PHYS RESIST IF THEY KILL YOU ANYWAY FUUUUUUUUUUUUARKKK
>tide shard can't be dispelledso how do I counter this?
>>554700757Kill it
>>5547008614 attacks is infinity THOUGH
>>554700960purchase a moonshard
>>554700960Attack faster
>>554700757like everything, bkb
>>554701090>>554701072ember's base attack time is about half an houreven with attack speed items it'll take several minutes to attack four timestide shard is very broken and I don't like it
>>554700757Why you put le watermelon of screen stun next to you bro
>>554701398Buy linkens
>>554700724dota has never been a game where you can out tank the damage except for extreme scenerioswhich is a good thingdps always wins
rtz's gf prostitutes herself for 40 cents on my dota client
>>554701609>blademail
>>554700757That shard is legit an ultimate-level ability against some heroes.The funniest thing is playing Weaver against Tide. Your ult LITERALLY moves you 5 seconds back in time, but it doesn't remove the anchor from your ass.
>>554701716*bkbs*
>>554701774It's not a debuff, it's like Weaver's bugs. A whole-ass unit is stuck to you. So if you move through time, it comes with you.
what is it about DP that makes enemies so quite overplay their hand against her? (ancient 5 btw)I don't remember the last time I actually shitstomped a lane before thisand now it's every game with her
>>554702007>puck can travel to another dimension for a couple trillion years just to fuck around>the bug remains>some shmuck spends a few grand on an invisibility sword>the bug fades instantly on usethe bugs are pretty picky it seems
>>554702164Bugs work hard but they don't have True Sight, you dummy.
>>554702063nobody picked dp for 10 years so they dont know she has pugna drain
my mason is giving a highly educational pos 5 bristleback gameplay lecture rn
>>554702007>>554702164They changed ZE BUGS recently (?), literally any source of invulnerability removes it now, including Phase Shift. Pretty lame to be honest.You can dispell the bugs with Manta now, lame ass change.
>>554702543wait really? when?phase not killing bugs was in the game for as long as i can remember
>enemy team has 5 stun supports>"heh, this is gonna be so easy once we all get bkb">my teammates don't buy bkb
>>554703068I have no idea, I stopped playing for a while and when I came back and picked my favorite hero the bugs were just fucking useless. I thought I was doing something wrong for the longest, then I realized they had changed it.Like I said literally any sort of invulnerability removes them now. Storm can zip for 0.1 seconds and remove then, Ember can press W, etc. I'm still not over this.
i lost two games in a row im garbage i suck i don't deserve to be happy
Primal beast is another example of retarded nudota overtuned bullshit. His entire skillset is crowd control, excepting a flash farm ability that can nuke an entire wave at lvl 1
>>554703068The invulnerability = no bugs thing was recent. If not 7.40, probably late 7.39.
>>554703317good fuck the bugsworst fucking spell ever
Yeah the change was 7.39c>>554704216t. armorless loser
Why do Illusions of Slardar not have his attack stun ability?
>>554704637>7.39cOops, meant 7.38c. It was a typo, I swear.
>>554704637>t. armorless loserno, I'm blinker
>>554704216Weaver's OLD shard where you procd geminate attack on everyone affected by the bugs was the most fun I've ever had in Dota. Guaranteed rampage every single game if I had enough farm, supports deleted from half a map away... Beautiful times
>>554683647>>554683694fuck me this hero is hard to play.
>>554705328>it's hard to walk at the enemy supports from level 1your hero is literally unkillable, hello
Arteezy is accusing kaori and nightfall from aurora of wintrading right now
>>554705848lol he's becoming gorgc 2.0
>>554705328What do you think of Invoker
>>554706039never even tried playing invoker. i was a longtime tinker picker however
this game is too hardtheres too much shit going oni dont even know whats killing me most of the timethis isnt fun
Ogre's arcana is my favorite one but the hero is just so shit to play
tfw too intelligent too play support
Uhm can I get a new player guide? I tried playing Venomancer, someone spammed me to do a camp and I died to it and it made him mad? Thats right after I played as Viper and somehow snowballed myself to a carry with 0 deaths and 0 idea what to doI'm a former hotsbab if that matters
>>554706037He's also like Topson where he's always the last one picked in the immortal draft
>>554707474Venomancer is like Probius without the nukes. His wards (E) are the ones that do the camps. Hold Alt to see the spawn box for camps. Put the wards outside the box or else you'll grief yourself because the wards block spawns.And just like Probius, he's fucking worthless, and often picked by shitters and griefers who hate playing pvp in a pvp game.
>triple null talisman mid skyshiiiiiet
i want the qop arcana so badly fuck.............
>>554708064i have it but i don't play qopin fact i don't play any single hero i have an arcana of except MAYBE faceless void (rarely)
>>554705328thats okay most heroes require practice and brewmaster is definitely one of them, you will get better at it through effort
>>5547079623 is too many, you want 2then go into arcs/kaya/scepter
have a meepo meteor hammer on my team rn
>>554707962>mid skyi euthanize
>>554708064the only pass arcana i have is companion cube io
>>554707474You're going to have to be more specific. Do you want a full handholding walkthrough because you're just better off doing the (slightly broken) in-game tutorial, and trying out some bot games.Do you have specific gameplay mechanics questions? State them.Do you want hero suggestions? Tell us what you like playing in HotS.
You guys said Mason was BASED racist like me but I'm literally banned in his chat for racism. What gives?
I thought you could Eul teammates? I bought Eul on support and when I tried to Eul anyone on my team to save them it didn't work, I can only Eul myself and enemies
>>554709449you can wind waker them
>>554709487but not simple eul scepter? that's so stupid man yet I can force staff my teammates
>>554709656it would be the most broken shit ever
>>554709379he can't be his true self on twitch, you gotta hide your power level and use dog whistles and shiet
>>554709656force staff doesnt remove 99% of everything
I can't stop playing Dawnbreaker gulag, the hero is fun and the voicelines are amazing. I like her bilingual Spanish/English accent.
>>554709449Nullifer would become a fucking staple like bkb if that happened
7.40c out
Kind of random but ok
https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.40c>PHYLACTERY NERFED
>>554711615this but oracle and without the gooning
>>554715010>inb4 Aquila'dYou assholes built it on way too many heroes. Hope you're happy.
>>554709094I dont get turn rates and how the woods work. The goal is being able to play without throwing the match with my existence because I'm clueless and suck at denying . For starters how do I even know which build to pick?When do I go back and when do I stay and mule healing itemsWhen do I take control of other heroes that went AFK?>Do you want hero suggestionsI think I'm in need of a pos suggestion instead. Some guides tell me to pick off lane but going 1v2 sounds like a recipe for disasterSome tell me to go pos 5 but also say that it has the highest impact so a retard can be a malusPos 4 sound like something my team can live without if I fuck it up as they can handle the lanes>what you like playing in HotSFlex depending on what the team needs which is usually tank and healer and maybe ranged casters but it's a dead game and I'm aware Dota is the polar opposite. I'm not playing lmao and after seeing a Dota tournament the casters made it seem much more fun even if everything was moving too slow yet happening too fast
>>554715092I told you Phylactery Phantom Lancer was the heatI told you
Clinkz got cooked hard
surely they nerfed tide shard, right?>literally just one strength lessoh okay cool icefrog
>>554715119>For starters how do I even know which build to pick?dota2protracker>When do I go back and when do I stay and mule healing itemsalmost never go back, ferry tangos/salve in lane and clarity in lane and or later on also always buy 2 tps, one for getting into a place and one for getting out/rotating to help ur dogshit team>When do I take control of other heroes that went AFK?Huh? Never? It's a team game, you lost if someone stops playing>I think I'm in need of a pos suggestion instead. Some guides tell me to pick off lane but going 1v2 sounds like a recipe for disasterDoesn't matter what you pick because you need your brain on in every role, probably don't go mid though go pos4 (soft support) but that also needs a brain but it doesnt screw your team out of a core or a babysitter (pos 5) Just pick the meta heroes on pos4 in d2pt (dota2protracker)>*checks heroes*You will play ze spirit breakerAlso alwys be doing somethingIf you're a core hit a camp, if your support IDK I DONT PLAY THAT SHIT LOL ward and deward/stack camps/shove a lane if its safe and your core isnt near
What does a hero truly need?
>>554715279Good. Get the fuck out of here.>Largo>Added to Captains ModeIs this the fastest one?
>>554715729oh forgot to say since your new you need a late game scaling hero because you will never break high ground so you need>someone that flash farms>someone that scales really well into late game (NOT CHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!)also here:https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/metathis might help yousort by matches played at herald and check above 50% winrate and play that
>>554644498>>554644329>Steal 24 health of regen>48 health tempo swing>If you tag them with the next cooldown inside the window, it stacks and you do 96 overall>Plus it resets your auto>It's even an orb and lets you sneak in jabs+Essence Shifts in the middle of the waveYeah bros it's useless, 2 is such a tiny useless number no one cares about regen right haha :^)It's genuinely on par with Jinada you foul animals, taking even one point is valoo
okay they didnt want 1 year this time
How does arteezy manage to grind 15-20 games in a row like that? Obviously he's getting paid for it but I'm speaking mental fortitude wise, I honestly can't play more than 5 games in a day without getting exhausted and bored
>>554717208LITERALLY NO DAMAGE
>>554716985I mean, the pros can probably use him better?But Largo is a greedy support. And an early push one, at that. Is that the current meta? Do pros pick Omni Knight support?
>>554717176that's why he's the goat
WhyIsn't the hero poopy enough
>>554717769he's the most busted pos5 rn broski
>>554717963He doesn't do anything
>>554715279>>554715891idk this seems like a -2% winrate nerf at mostgiven he was at 55% winrate before the nerf he's still gonna be good (i think)
phylactery in my butthole
>>554718468It's called a Ghost Scepter, and people need to learn to buy it. Most damage done to buildings is permanent, though.
>>554718468No the main factor to him melting buildings (and thus having high wr%) was his skeletons and burning armyhe's still a relatively good pusher now but not on the like before this patch.
Why do they keep nerfing Terrorblade
yea i dont think a pos1 should melt buildings like thatthe pos me should be able to which is why i buy meteor hammer but definitely not the queer playing an agi hero
Any tips on not dying 15-20 times every game?I accidentally reached Guardian and it's been a rough time
>>554720920It has to be a bit more earned than that is all.>Morph unchangedGuess we're all just shitting retards, who don't realize it's an STR carry counter pick now. If you don't pick him last, what the fuck are you even doing?Support Morph could use more love, though.
>>554721041look at minimap and act accordingly
>>554720920I exclusively play Clinkz as 4
Honestly something that's extremely unfair and retarded is that when it comes to single line stuns Lion's spikes deviate from the targeted line in a much virtually wider way than someone else like Nyx for example. Why the fuck is that the case
>>554721515It's plain favoritism
>>554721216Reported for role abuse. Fucking Pos 4 pieces of griefing shit.
>>554721951I play normally, I don't abuse anything
>>554722380Shut the fuck up, and pick a hero with CC.
>>554722476Nah you don't get it, the pros said to play core as support when you're below their mmr, you can only play real support heroes once you reach the controlled environment of top 200 16k mmr games
>>554707962I miss old null talismans, when this was the build for all int mids.
>>554722996Playing a slippery weasel like clinkz as a support puts more pressure on your five to be targeted. You're poor fives must report the fuck out of you.
>>554725130Already have at the pick screen.Shitfucks don't even have the decency to pick carries that have "support" tags, like Naga.
>>554716985he like 200% less complicated than kez.
why the h*ck treant get nerfed? he's dogshit
LMAO my queues for a low priority single draft match were taking too long so I checked the Peru server and I insta found a match in less than 30 seconds, you can't make this shit up
they should of put the monster hunter pack on discount again
is there a commend limit or can i just commend all 9 players every game?
I receive food poisoning. No fart sound tonight. All fart physical.
my deer wife got no changes, because she's already perfect as she is
>>554730504He's also pretty bad. Memba release state Centaur Warwinner?
really lame that you can't exchange monster hunter materials downwards in rarity
>>554721041This has to be bait, it shouldn't even be possible to die that much unless you totally check out and just a-click into every fight from 2 minutes onwards. Here's your (You) you got me good
>>554740485Lower level heroes respawn faster, and now get a free TP. So someone with no game sense can just die repeatedly and cluelessly try to go farming somewhere they have no idea isn't safe.
>>554740647>So someone with no game sense can just die repeatedly and cluelessly try to go farmingYeah that's what I'm saying, I do thatI'll just respawn and TP to somewhere that has nobody in it to farm (it's empty because my team is afraid to fight and has 4/8 wards and there are actually three enemy heroes in FoW jelquing their shit while our carries fight over doing a small camp on the outside of the map)
>>554715119>I dont get turn ratesNothing much to it. The direction the character is facing matters at all times for movement and attacks and shit (except for Io I think). So if you run left, then go right, they take a little time to turn around before going right. Same for attacks. HotS and LoL have 0 turn rate so it's instant. Yes, this means you'll have to give constantly give a little thought to your movements but once you get used to it, it should come as second nature. It's jarring to a LoL or HotS migrant, yes, it's understandable.>and how the woods workA large component of Dota is farm, aka. gold and exp. In HotS, there is no gold or items, only exp. In Dota, every hero has a radius where they can collect exp from nearby enemy creeps and heroes, and this include jungle camps. So if you need exp, and you can't or won't kill lane creeps, you can kill the neutral creeps in the jungle camps (or hang nearby a camp the enemy is clearing). They're not like Siege Camps in HotS where killing them gets you dudes marching down the lane to hit towers. It's more like Blackheart's Bay where you kill the camps for gold and exp constantly.>When do I go back and when do I stay and mule healing itemsGenerally you do everything you can to stay and get a courier to bring you Tangoes and shit. You can walk back to fountain as a last resort but it really sucks for you, and your lane partner, so only do it when staying 1 more second means feeding.>When do I take control of other heroes that went AFK?You can technically control heroes from disconnected players but you have to control them manually and there's no auto-follow AI like HotS.>tank and healer>pos suggestionAt the newbie ranks it won't matter. Both 4 and 5 are "supports". Personally I think playing as a braindead DPS or selfish core is a good way to get started, and then you can change later if you really want to support or whatever. Viper was a good example of a DPS. Go play offlane if you want to.
>>554740979Sorry, "game sense" is just pure experience. Guys like SingSing, Ar1se and other pro players weren't born with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaRkqxpyJE
>>554715010>no marci bufffuck you valve
>>554715119I ran out of space in the other post but I'm serious when I say give me names. Even in the tank space in HotS, there's a difference between Bruisers and Tanks, and they play differently. And Blizzard went out of their way to make sure HotS heroes aren't 1:1 to Dota heroes, so if you have a favourite or three, you need to say which so I can point you to whoever's similar.Like for example, Kez is the one with the parry mechanic you'd see in Varian, but the 1v1 fite me Taunt shit is more Legion Commander so Varian would be a mix of those two. Chromie would be like Disruptor if he had Windranger's Powershot or Hoodwink's ult. Samuro's Dota analogue would be Phantom Lancer, but both of Samuro's ults are on different characters. You get the idea. Surely you have some favourites or comfy picks. So start with a hero or three, then decide position later. Because if you didn't notice, any hero can play any position if they really want to. Whether or not it works is a different story but dotards are willing to put up with wacky strats as long as the player can make it work. No forced hero metas here, totally.
>>554743417I disagree. Some people are just born with something that makes them better at a certain game/activity. Yeah of course experience and practice makes you better but if you don't have that "X" factor you'll never be as good as those guys.I'm a pretty good player at a niche smaller game and most people would consider me like maybe top 10 ever in that game. But the guys that are the actual best players just have something special that people can't replicate, I could literally practice for 15 hours every single day and I'd never be as good as them.
i lost every game i played today and at the end i started cryingnow i cant sleep
>>554743940Is that what you tell yourself to avoid testing that theory?
>>554744526I've done so. In this game there's one big tournament that happens 2 times every year. Most people spend like 1 or 2 months practicing for that tournament while one of the guys I mentioned just shows up 3 days before the tournament, practices for like 10 hours total and shits on everyone (he's won it 6 times, most in history). It's really just massive gap that no amount of practice can fill. At least 50 good players spend a shitton of time practicing and this guy just shows up and shits on them.Of course that could be because the game is very small and has a playerbase of like 1000 people, it would never happen in a bigger game like Dota cause the competition is tougher, but I've witnessed it in first person.
>>554743940That "X factor" for most games is just starting young.
>>554745049what game
>>554745410It's some small pokemon fangame that has been alive for a long time, I've been playing it since I was 15 don't judge me.
>>554745731Reported to Nintendo, lawyers are already on their way.
>>554745860Funnily enough the game was actually shut down by Nintendo once, then some guy got the game files and reopened it. Nintendo hasn't bothered them again so they probably think it's not worth the effort
>new patch>abaddon nerfed again
>>554746612hopefully after this nerf my teammates will realize abaddon carry is NOT good and stop picking himseriously ive had 2 aba carries in my last 20 games, maybe it's just bad luck
>>554746802dont worry in about 3 more patches abaddon is gonna be straight up a grief pick
>basically every single pos 3 that wasn't worthless got nerfed What's the point of this role?
Just had a match where both teams had griefers and the game went on for 48 basically 4v4, this was peak dota honestly
>>554747920Offlane is actually fun IF you get to counterpick the enemy carry. The thing is this will literally never happen in pubs because the mid/carry wants last pick so you just have to gamble and the odds are stacked against you. Playing some cancer lane like Razor against no mobility melee carries is incredibly fun though, you get to make this one guy's life miserable for 30 to 50 minutes.
90% sure i griefed a retard from here. fuck you nigger
>>554748567bro there's like 10 posters here the chances are pretty slim
>>554743417You only need to watch past pros that stream to know thats not true. They have much more experience than current pros but clearly don't have the same level of "game sense"
>it's another teammate has a meltdown because we both have urns episode>he's still mad after we both get charges
dont care still picking clinker
>TA Safe lane>10 deso charges at min 40>deals 0 damage to anyone>has absolute garbage positioning >can't even kill a single support because she has no nullfier and fails to carry a dust despite having a free slot due to the lack of fucking items despite 40 mins of free fucking farm.Le only constant, meanwhile I stomped mid and
>>554749746anon has been muted for the rest of this match
fuken why can i hear pings and shit when i click that button that mutes whole team. i use the mute player so i know who to report
>need $1400 on average to get the one gold sticker you wantLol
>>554717208>>554717328>>554717769
I WON ONE MATCH I WON I WON I WON I WON
>play pos 4>completely ignore the offlane >winIt's that easy.
Looking through my GDPR history and I think the schizos might be right, improving your good boy score is extremely harder than it used to be. A few years ago it went up fairly easily but now it barely increases at all even if you have literally zero reports. Went from ~500 to max score before and now I'm struggling to even maintain it.
yesterday i didn't game ruin but i kind of egged on another guy to game ruin and i wonder what that's gonna look like on the overwatch replay
>>554751962overwatch only cares about the reported guy's behavior. t. spite euthanized today and got LP
>>554749439>picking phase>offlaner asks if he can support instead>pos 4 throws a fit>"why didn't you just queue hard support and support">rest of the team has to explain to this mongoloid that pos 5 and 3 and now the high demand roles (probably because of divas like him)>he spends the rest of the game pinging the offlaners abilities and spamming laughing voice lines when he diesIf all hard-queueing pos 4 pickers died tomorrow this game would be better off
>>554751913so what? does score matter?
what does it mean when someone commends you after a loss
>>554754130that their behavior is in the shitter and they hope to fix it by swapping comms with everyone
>>554753060Yes? Are you new?
>>554754643yes actually
>>554753060Not really
>>554753009The pos 3 was griefing from the start.
>>554751913They also nerfed the gains in turbo. Commends are weighted at 60% but reports are still weighted at 100%, so you are guaranteed to never increase.
>>554717406Pro games are over by 20-25 minutes these days, so he'll probably get picked.
>>554735678You can, but if you get the same people in your next game you can't commend them again.
>>554754719Fair enough. Yes, your behavior score is one of the most important factors in match quality.>>554754896That explains a lot, actually.
>>554755879imagine those giant slender fingers obliterating your prostate
>>554756026and then she picks you up and throws you over her shoulder onto the floorso hot
>>554754130Whenever I did it, it was to try and let my teammate know it wasn't his fault we lost and that he played well.
Do people actually still play this dogshit? Sunk cost? Or just haven't realized the matchmaking farms your engagement by sandbagging you on winstreaks and vice versa?
it's a fun game
what the fuck are these useless changes? JUST REVERT HIS ILLUSION DAMAGE FFS
>>554763594you vill not farmyou vill join ze teamfights
>>554763847but previous illusions were better at teamfights? 75% damage when near you ready to fight > 56% damage illusions near you ready to fight
what's funny is that terrorblade gets a major nerf twice a year, no buffs ever, then manages to worm his way back into the meta anyway
>>554764045zxc oshiete dead inside autists like yatoro and satanic are just too good wcyd, I've never seen a good TB outside of these 2 and ame
>>554764045he's the only serviceable illu hero left pl barely even counts as one now
>>554764045his skill set is too good/broken as a carry for competitve play>good laning skills>is always guaranteed to find farm>competetive teams know when to play around meta timings>good late game scaling>good 15 min shard that boosts flashfarm/allows melee to not be 100% useless>meta + images is just a really good and safe way to take towers/high ground while also granting vision (dragon lance outranges towers, makes it hard for enemy to engage)the only bad thing he has is aegis/buyback but when you reach super late game that doesn't matter since you have refresher
am i fuckin trippin or did they break searing arrows and now it doesn't work with deso or only works half the time
>7/0/6 at 12 min as mid>take all T2 by 20 min>proceed to NEVER group up again>don't push or take rosh or torm>pos 1 and 3 "split-push" (chainfeed) until the enemy lategame lineup gets all their items>25 minute win becomes a 50 minute lossI've lost complete stomps and been less mad. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>554715010>just irrelevant number twiddling and clinkz ratpush nerfshit update
>>554717176The most I can manage going degen mode is like 10 games.
>>554764045he's just naga with a faster clock and if you ever played a naga patch you know why that is a problem
>>554766741nvm deso projectiles now always overrides searing for whatever reason
>learning curve ogreYup another good day for euthanizing
>>554771506>picking the good facet is... LE BAD
is this worth it? it can't be better than a 3.5s silence or disarm or break, right?
>>554772191fact: 99% of all chaos knight players stop picking this facet just before they are about to get an early stygian desolator
>>554772462damn that does sound kinda fire actually
free my nigga grant
>mirana fucks cats
>>554774252a cat is fine too
the whole illusion change feels retarded the more they do it >>554774252where is this from anyway
>>554776037Keep crying faggot fuck you
>>554776686i hope these changes turn illusions into even more cancer than before
Mana drain doesnt destroy illusions gg this game is stupid just fuck it all up fuck everything
ok i tried phylactery on ck and it doesnt feel that goodck as a hero feels kinda good but i dont think i shouldve paid 2600 gold for a speedbump to starting my aghs bullshitwould not buy again but the yellow facet that makes you get tier 5 neutrals early felt REALLY good i got the necrobook and it complemented all the units i was making really well and the true sight was clutch against the enemy riki
>>554771958>try to invade or do anything level 1>the ogre 5 stands by our safelane tier2 pinging his learning curve facet>refuses to even sniff an enemy hero I'm not even convinced learning curve is better when every retard 4 or 5 rushes midas into core items like heart anyways
>>554777394yellow facet is completely busted, if you make it to T4s, because every T5 you can pull is crazy.
>it's another stomp game but we lost hg fight to drow so the game stalls for 20 more mins episode
>>554772191>ck has 3 fun facets to choose from>pango's facets literally get removed Not sure who on the balance team hates pango so much. The hero was only picked by pros and was a borderline grief pick otherwise.
>>554777394If you want a cheeky item to buy on CK that is non standard, go aether lens
>>554778080he should be removed from the game
>>554778080the problem is that Pango was good in like a few patches and he was miserable.
>>554777993My sentiments as well! >*gusts you so you can't reply*
>>554778367>team fight hero that loves all in engages and has clear counterpicks is miserable Just say you hate dota
i hate dota
They fucking cooked Timbersaw hard with that last nerf. Like he wasnt already nerfed enough, come on. Now you can only play aura tanky or blink stun on offlane, no sidestepping allowed
clink is still deleting me in 2s
hmmm what the fuck do I do from here on out
>>554780785Ogre 5 to 5k
>>554777961Learning Curve is shit. You get a small bump at lv 2 but the total # of skill points don't change, and the other facet is an increase in Multicast procs so it's just objectively better. Learning Curve is for shitters who gamble everything on laning phase and just give up after 20:00.
>>554780785analyze your losses, don't pick meepo
>>554780235pick visage
>>554780785>Win >Win>Loss>Loss>Win>Win>Losshmm i wonder what could be next
what's the best loading screen for my profile background (that's tradeable)?coomer shit allowed
Quick, I can't look this up: I know you can't Force Staff people out of Chrono. Can you force the void though?
>>554783000yeah I got baited into it when I got mid for my role queueit wasn't goodgonna leave the old chap to when I'm maining mid again, if ever
>>554783874yes
>winning lane mid again today >won every single lane in every game mid, but went on to lose every game >decide instead of buying high damage items with my lead i will instead rush defensive items like lotus, bkb, etc >get jumped by 4 man game carry shutdown squad >nope, I have bkb faggots >faggot supports on enemy team use all their spells on me to hinder me in a team fight >nope I have a lotus faggots. Purge that shit off and keep carrying >I am the main character of every team fight, can literally feel these beaners and russians wanting to use their huge spells on me but it doesnt mean shit because I'm a big fucking wall >win my first game of the day I finally learned it. If you're winning your lane, buy defensive items in every role except 1. Out annoy the annoying, jacked up, super strong op 4s and 5s who are used to being the everlasting fun stoppers. Stop their fun and watch yourself win
>>554596847>Born to support>Forced to offlaneIs it better to ruin Turbo games trying to learn or should I just stick to ruining normal unranked?
I like playing pos5 but it's so bleak when you realize you can't really do anything against the inevitable core diff and it's a loss
>>554785261imma try thisdid you skip early game items like phase boots?
>>554785261You're supposed to buy defensive items if you're winning, not buying them is how you throw
>>554785708I would still buy boots and eventually make it to core items. I just am becoming partial to the early Lotus, the second item BKB, etc when I'm a level or two above everyone else in the game
>mid picks meepo>Report him >If we lose for griefing>If we win for smurfing That simple!
invest in SFcoin
Eh well griefing yet another game
There's plenty of douchebag picks (Rubick, Meepo, Outworld to name a few) but what are the opposite? What are picks where if you see them you think "Damn, this guy seems pretty cool."
>>554784418It didn't matter in the end because teammates kept dying before chrono even came out. Oh well. Thanks though.
my very first ranked match was the offlaner roaming since minute 1 because he didn't like his soft supportafter they they both ran into people to die and nonstop drew slurs on the map (they both couldn't use chat) while mid died 1v1 a few times then constantly got caught out i'm going back to all pick. fuck ranked
>>554785261Congratulations, you bought anti-magic items against magic-heavy teams. Good job.
>>554787931Witch doctor and lich.I can't be mad at either.
>>554786879>cant buy phylacteryno
>2 games in a row where I have Sven pos1 on my team>autoloseHate this fucking pick so much more than AM or any other carry
>>554788290witch doctor and lich are certified skuf characters
>>554788257Le you are le only le constant bro le play to le improve Edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger!! Edit 2: Zomigosh, thanks for the second gold! Glad we could downvote that other guy!Edit 3: DOES THE NARWHAL BACON AT MIDNIGHT OR WHAT!? BAZINGA!! 3 GOLDS! EPIC WIN!
>>554787931Marci
>be me as marci around mid game>teamfight starts>pop my bkb>auto attack heroes>wonder why I'm not doing any damage and the heroes aren't just blowing the fuck up as usual>spend the entire teamfight completely puzzled as to why this might be>realize I didn't press R HRRRRMMMPPPPFFFFFFBLLBLBLBLBLSSSSDSDSDS
>>554789039>be marci>use ult, join teamfight>try to micro>i had my Dominated creep selected the entire fight while i just stood there*retarded whistle*
>>554776037Monster Hunter event
Bros I found the low priority strat, just add the Peru server to your selection. I have USE, EUW and Peru selected and every single one of the games I've found so far has been on the Peru servers.
>>554790041That's true, but good luck repairing your behavior score in that shithole. Peruvians are literal scum of the earth jeet tier, but at least jeets get degrees and can effectively code or operate phones. Peruvians will report you just because you hovered the same lane as them for a second.
>>554790296Yeah I'm not touching that server again when I'm done with my low prio games. My behavior score farming technique is to just queue for all roles, mute everyone and type >Well Played! when a teammate gets a double kill or something.
>>554790559so the 'technique' is actually just... acting like a normal human being?crazy stuff
>>554791489You think that's how normal humans act in competitive environments of any kind? You ever play sports bro? People communicate, use expletives, hype each other up, trash talk. This policing behavior in video games is an anomaly because NO OTHER TEAM BASED COMPETITIVE FORMAT is like that. It would be unheard of to remove a basketball player from a game because he called some guy a bitch.
>>554791489It's more like acting like a wholesome keanu chungus fake positivity redditor, but I guess someone like you would consider that normal wouldn't you?
>i play 1vs9 as teamplayer carry>my feeder teammates trust me>they dont farm any shit>i go like 12-2>then i stay afk till for in-game msg: x player gets abandon cuz afk>let my team lose while watching>repeatthat's my revenge style from subhumansi really wonder when i am gonna want to carry their assesany tips?
>>554791701You don't watch the olympics, huh? People get disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct all the time, fatty.
>>554792302The olympics have been culturally irrelevant for decades
>>554792302people at the olympics don't play to lose and constantly scream slurs at others because they saw something they don't like, please do not compare videogames to real sports
>>554791701>>554791963great posts which destroyed xhir asshole and caused they/them to take their stress pills, good job
I have 50h in the game and I still don't get what the fuck position four is. You generally can't pick supports 5 there but you also can't pick a carry and you're generally pared up with a tank who's either getting all the cs or you're splitting until someone goes jungle.
>bought mek greaves locket urn vessel>aggressively heal teammates every fight>apparently only did 200 fucking healingwtf
>>554793208pos4 is unironically the dedicated griefer role, you can pick anything and do anything and nobody cares because nothing is expected of youhttps://dota2protracker.com/meta?mmr=7000&position=pos%2B4&period=patch
>>554793208Pos 5 is the sacrificial wardbitch stuck babysitting the carry.Pos 4 is the guy who does all the other supporting jobs like roaming, ganking sidelanes, tp responses, buying support items the wardbitch can't afford, etc. Which means usually it's what the griefers picking dumb shit like Pudge Mirana Hoodwink go to so they can justify being useless with no farm.
>>554793208position four is characters good at picking fights and roaming that need like 1 item to come online like earthshaker, five is supports that are good with just spells and don't need many items and are good at reacting to engages made by the four
>>554793051>people at the olympics don't play to loselollmao
>>554788257You're in the low MMR zone with shitters, other newbies, and hardstucks who played 10,000 games of Dota but still can't do basic tasks like getting 30+ last hits by 10:00. You will have to deal with them until you can climb out to higher ranks where you're playing with smurfs and shitters who played 10,000 games of Dota and can get 50+ last hits in the first 10 mins but are incapable of buying dust even if it means losing the game.
>pos 1 has 400 gpm despite the fact he has 30 mins of free farm and space.this should be considered bannable behaviour.
>>554794346>t. sand king support
Meta knower here, the top 3 carries of the patch are going to be:>Shadow Fiend (the new Clinkz)>Slark>WeaverYou're welcome.
Think I'll take a few days break, I'm too tilted for these dogshit games rn
returner after a super long hiatus, forgot all of the meta knowledgeshould I play turbo or all pick
>>554795667Turbo is full of psychos. Just go All Pick.
>>554795465wha happun?
>>554783638I turned it aroundDP is such a dumb fucking hero honestly
>>554795907I've just had my fillGames lost at draft, all lanes lost at min 5, grief picks on teammates, totally passive teammates while the other team plays proactively. Need a break
>>554793208Positions used to mean farm priority as well as what they buy.1 was the lategame insurance who needed lots of farm and space.2 needed xp the fastest so they can create space once they hit core items and levels3 is generally durable and the initiator, they are meant to bully the 1 and win teamfights with big flashy ults. In the downtime they are asshole farming in the enemies lane. They buy all the Aura items that make the team tankier, and usually an initiating item like blinkdagger.Supports are a grey area and have changed over time. The 4 was supposed to catch waves and be a early game gank machine with aggressive cheap items that help snowball (urns, drums etc) they can core somewhat in the late game. They still needed to buy a couple of wards, but only to help secure kills5s were the povertywardbitch who bought most of the wards and items went to forcestaffs and cheap buffing items for the 1.For support this is an incorrect stereotype. Both supports should grab wards because theres very very few supports that can truly be everywhere at once and besides forcestaff being critical usually, every other support purchase depends on the gamestate. Playing behind means you need catch items and play for picking off for comeback gold. Ahead you need to sustain the team to keep the tempo going
>>554795667what the FUCK happened to my beloved pango
>get home from work>didnt have lunch>didn't eat or drink anything when i got home>mega creeps>mega creep comeback>55 minsfuck i feel like could already go to bed i usually have a monster when i get home
>>554793208>I have 50h in the game you don't even what a "position" is, you donkey.And even if someone explained it to you, you couldn't possibly fucking understand it.
>>554794346you griefed your position 1.It is near impossbile to drop below 600 gpm as pos 1 if you are not getting your game actively ruined by your supports.
>>554798831t. 50k hours archon 3
>>5547989921 vs 1 me sf mid
>>554798190they removed all his facets because....... i don't know, same reason they removed marci's fleeting fury facet! lol!
i dont really know what to do when both of my supports kill steal and never deward this is supposed to be 5k mmr they dont have a single sentry on the map and dont do anything never tped 1 time either
>>554799228just euthanize and go next
farty arty is playing against pos2 largo its getting cinema
>>554799228>when both of my supports kill stealbe happy that they are taking kills because nigger supports don't fucking farm for some reason>and never deward do it yourself, it's literally free money, if you know where the wards are.
>>554798965I didnt, I stomped the lane for him. he had all the space in the world, the enemy was 20 kills down in the score. but motherfucker had no farm and couldn't kill anyone even with level and farm advantage. he had no items and no damage. Fuck off, retard.
>>554799407Love getting some dickhead to pick support and just run in a circle behind the tower doing absolutely nothing for 40 minutes besides farming my creeps with his spells it really makes me love this game
>>554799916>if you know where the wards are.is this one of those things where you need to play for 3000 hours to do? like how are you supposed to know where people are placing invisible things
>>554801002Every 2 minutes or so, it helps to just click the enemy supports' character frames to look at their items. Note the ward amounts in their inventories. As they move through the map, make note of if their wards have gone down, gone up, etc. Then, you make educated guesses based on common ward spots.So yes, it is an experience thing, but I just coached you on how people deward effectively, so maybe this will speed up the process for you.
You know what guys? I decided to be mad at other people because im not as good as i want to be at dota that's what im doing alright?
Support sissies only have a few tasks and one of them is warding and dewarding to enable their cores and they're not even capable of doing that so corechads have to do it themselves. Same for stacking how many times did a supportsissy stepped in the square while I was stacking. It's just too much sometimes
>>554801580corechuds
>>554801253>click the enemy supports' character frames to look at their items.oh, damn. That sounds hard as hell to keep track of... I have trouble A-clicking enemies to aggro the creeps, this is gonna take so much mental power to practice properly
>>554801580the trick is to just pick slark and deward the entire map yourself with your built in maphackit was by doing this that i learned how much xp and gold wards give, and it's a lot lmao
>play well enough to absolutely ruin the enemy safe lane as the offlane (he had a 21 min brown boots - BF)>Stratz says im "Low performance" Huh?
no this is patrick
>>554802062i think its mostly factoring other things like cs, rotations, xpm, etc
hmm thats weird i keep pressing update but there are no new posts appearing
fartour won the game against mid largo unfortunately i was rooting for the frog
>>554803882you need 4chanx to see all posts
I see so many people doing these mistakes like having 0 map awareness your lane is empty you stupid freak just push the goddamn tower instead of farming two camps you have a catapult wave just kill their t1 and then retreat to farm instead these animals have nobody in their lane and the enemy tower is at 100% untouched unfortunaltey this cannot be explained to an animal because it doesnt understand anything and doesnt have a functioning brain
>>554802062That thing is usually very dogshit. It over evaluates support impact and devalues core impact, unless you go 30/0
can we remove neutral items nownot even reddit likes them
>>554777961From these numbers only, tell me who bought the most wards and who was in what lane, from top to bottom.(no looking up the match)
>>554781747Learning curve is so much better than the other fawcet there is no scenarion in which you dont pick it.
>>554805305In order:Pos 1 (trash safe lane)Pos 2 (cheese mid)Pos 3 (solo offlane)Pos 4 (roamer)Pos 5 (hard sup)Pos 2 bought the most wards.
so marci's third ability is pretty much just a passive right?there's no way six seconds of lifesteal for one teammate is worth the manaright?
Literally unplayable
lel I guess Valve finally put a price sticker on the sticker gacha: $2 for 10 capsulesStart forking over that cash if you want your worthless stickers.
>>554806020its no longer sidekick but bodyguard in all facets
>hero with the biggest strength gain per lvl has a facet that makes his RNG passive that makes him cast the same ability multiple times have a bigger chance of happening based on his strength>let's pick the facet that gives 3 skill points at lvl 2Just shut the fuck up your faggot contrarian retards. This thread is just a bunch of mindbroken raped trannies who believe their word is law
>>554806572But le anon-cuck-sensei!!! Learning curve is picked 2% more often!!!
>>554806572But muh laning phase broOnly laning phase matters
>>554798965When they start farming your creep camps, blasting the creep waves with spells and blocking respawning camps by walking all over them you have nothing to do but wait for the game to be over.
>>554807136The thing is even with the 3 ability points at lvl 2 honestly Ogre doesn't have the best lvl 2 kill potential like an undying with decay - tombstone, tusk with shard and tag team and such. Sure it's okay but it's not even worth having that melee creep at lvl 1
>>554806572>he doesn't understand the value of level timingsThere's a reason learning curve has higher winrate, if anything you're the contrarian and also the retard.
so who's the REAL secret op carry now
Honestly all in all Ogre is a dogshit support played by retarded thirdies. Any other melee support do the job better
>>554805998Pretty good effort, anon! It was actuallyPos 4 (Trash roamer) (Spent his gold on Force and Vessel instead of something useful)Pos 2 (cheese mid) (Never had dust blinking on Riki+Weaver) (possibly 1k ping)Pos 3 (solo offlane) (Should've been safelane carry, never spoke once) Pos 1 (Marci) (Bought BKB, Linken and nothing else against 3 targeted spells)Pos 5 (Hard Support) Pos 4 almost bought the most wards, but the Pos 5 caught up by placing a bunch of high ground/cliff wards after they got called out for not using vision after 30 minutesThanks for playing, I'm gonna go kill myself now
>>554807764And you're the perfect angel pos5 who never did anything wrong all game right
>>554807410are you ignoring most ogre players are literally bottom of the barrel
>>554807764I always bet on solo offlane having the biggest farm, somehow.
for me its taking learning curve and then watching the other laner get cucked at lv2 anyway
For me it's the humble fat chance.Why? Very simple: big multicast=big dopamine.Idk what anything in this game does I make blink, aghs, dagon, Midas and clap when CLONKNCLINKNCLINK!!!!!
>>554808136No, learning curve is objectively better.
I swear to fucking god, marci is literally unbeatable.what is this bullshit hero
>>554808136I mean that's literally it. He has a barely above 50% wr in immortal with Learning Curve and it's like 45% for Fat Chance.Check Herald and it's 52% for each, with Fat Chance only being like ~.5% lessYour team's inability to adjust to having 4 people to secure runes isn't really Ogre's fault, even if it is retarded that Ogre players will AFK rather than throw autos and jockey for vision. You know you can just strongside your 2 runes and go to lane, right anon? You don't have to fish for yoloswag outplays at minute zero?>>554807886I was the deeply bitter Pos 4 who should've bought a BKB instead of trying to handle countering Clock and Necro on my own, actually. I probably shouldn't have fought Muerta for farm early but she bought a blood grenade to lane so I figured she wanted 4- I should've just gone straight to blink instead of going bracer/wand and arcane+urn, especially once I realized I was gonna have to buy all the wards.Our 5 WAS retarded and bought himself a blink, Aether and 30 minute glimmer instead of doing anything about the enemy all game, but this is this and that's that.
>>554807764Force staff is never a bad investment.Vessel is debatable
>>554806457what's the point of stickers? they don't function the same way as cs
>>554806572Learning Curve is better because early game matters more for supports, and a mediocre hero like Ogre needs that kind of cheese to be relevant outside of a turbo game. The other facet is better in a vacuum though.
>>554809104Another valve attempt for further monetize the game in some stupid unnecessary way, they spend dev time on stupid shit like that that nobody cares about.
>>554809102Ya, Necro really didn't care that much about the extra damage, I think a faster BKB would've helped more.
>get matched against the same marci io booster rat stack THREE GAMES IN A ROWFUCK THIS GAME
>>554809129learning curve does literally nothing
>>554809129At level 2 you have 2 points in ignite and 1 in bloodlust this is a guaranteed kill possibly 2 no matter your carry and no matter if you have orb of frost or boots with blood granade people start dying and then you start to get even more xp and you have the possibility to get your level 5 fast and if you catch the window smoke and gank mid or somewhere else depending on the heroes ofc but learning curve is basically if you can get a bit ahead when you have all the advantage then it only gets worse for the opposing team since midas and then it gets even worse because now you have even more xp and even more money
I bought all the weather cosmetics that I possibly could and I tried the others in demo mode, here's my ratings in case anybody's interested in getting them as well.>Pestilence7.5/10 - basically, makes everything green. If you like green go for it but the rain effects are kind of distracting.>Sirocco6/10 - adds a yellow tint over the game and a nonstop sandstorm that is incredibly distracting. Don't recommend.>Harvest8.5/10 - adds a slight red tint over the game and some occasional falling leaves that aren't distracting and add some flavor.>Aurora10/10 - the goat. Adds a blue tint (my favorite color) and some blue beams of light to the game that look amazing. The only criticism I have is that if you're not used to it you might confused the beams of light for a spell or something, but after a few games you get used to it.>Spring9.5/10 - also very good. Adds a pink tilt and some falling flower petals. Looks kinda girly tho so you might be put off by it.>Ash8/10 - adds a MASSIVE amount of red tint and a LOT of falling ash. It looks good but it's incredibly distracting, I personally couldn't use this.>Moonbeam9/10 - changes the game's color slightly (making it darker) and adds some beams of light that show up frequently. Very pretty, but in my opinion an inferior version of Aurora.>Rain6/10 - literally just rain particles. The rain doesn't look good and it's way too distracting.>Snow7.5/10 - adds some basic falling snow particles. Very basic, but it looks decent enough.
>>554810125Weather effects are tradable?
>>554810282They are but they aren't marketable. You have to get them from someone (or in my case use those trade bot websites). I'm missing 3 of them.
>>554810479You listed all of them
>>554810640Yeah you can try them on demo mode, I tried them out just to know what they're like. Probably won't get them though, they're some of the most basic ones.
>>554809718Technically yes, but if you manage to avoid being too much of a burden until you and your core are level 2, it pays off a lot because it actually lowers the required level for ult and gives you a power spike.
i hate dazzle so fucking much it's unrealwhoever gave him that nigger ult should take a shotgun and deepthroat it through the back of the head
>>554810125>complains about others being too distracting>uses auroraNigger that literally removes like 25% of your vision, its WAY too distracting. probably the worst of the bunch.
cant wait to start losing again after having 70% win as pos 1
>>554801002Warding is about tempo. If youre being stomped you defensively ward your triangles and their entrances, if you're stomping you aggressively ward the enemies triangles and their entrances. Dewarding is the opposite of what i just explained. So if you're losing t1s and dont know of your triangles are safe, deward there. If you're smashing t1s and have yours, their wards are probably guarding their triangles.
>>554812220It really isn't that bad to me but I get your point. It just makes the game look so pretty that perhaps I subconsciously choose to ignore that
my behavior score went from 9k to 3k in five months and it's the most fun i've had playing this game since 6.88
>>554813315my...triangles?
how do you even go below 12k
how do you ever get above 10k
>>554813834what did u do...
>>554814346>>554814407>how do you even go below 12kAbandons. Abandons literally nuke your BS and a couple of abandons, be it from ragequitting or bad internet, can permanently ruin your BS.Besides that you have to chain grief like 5 games in a row to drop behavior score if you're at 12k.>how do you ever get above 10kThis is easy enough to do UNTIL you're at a certain threshold (the shit pool threshold). I don't know what it is exactly, maybe 7 to 8k but if you reach that point you're doomed. Going above 10k again after you went that low is a herculean task, like legitimately near impossible. People down there are just sadists that play the game to inflict psychological harm on everyone involved, not to have fun or whatever.
>>554814346i lost 37 behaviour score because someone reported me once in my last 15 matches........
>start at 7k BS>Now 10k in under a monthAll I did?Be white, fash, fresh and play a high test role.I guess if you are a cucked beta male (pos 1, 5) in the estrogen lane it might be hard to.
phylactery ogre
>phylactery nerfedits...ogre...
are sf or rubick players the biggest faggots in the game?honestly can't decide
phylactery lina
>>554813051wow would you look at that a bunch of terrible playerswho the fuck picks slark? hero has never been meta and he's worse than ever
>>554816701i played it once and it was good but i dont think id do it again unless i needed a khanda
phylactery chen
>win 3 games in a row on fresh mindset defensive item buys>suddenly get into 3 games where multiple players on each side had brand new profiles, under 500 wins, and were rated divine but are now my mmr within 10 hours of games>brood mains on both sides in every game>meepo banned*sips* Yep, got into smurf / booster queue again. How do you get out of this? Does anyone know?
>>554816672It's Tinker, Magic SF and Clinkz pickers (formerly) for me.
What are my must bans this patchJugg, TInker...
>>554819389The statistically most loser faggot picks, so Broodmother Meepo AM and SF
>>554819389don't look up dazzle winrate
>>5548188293 games isn't enough for smurf queue. You're just with smurfs who aren't in smurf queue.
does anyone else really like playing oracle
>>554819837I really like playing Invoker and Brewmaster
>>554818829Stop improving, gopnikGaben knows what mmr you belong in
>queue all roles>get put in immortal draft>don't get my role queue gamesuh valve u fucking niggerswhy does this limbo even exist if im under 8500 i deserve my tokens
The ugly toad is in captain mode perfect timing
>>554820880I fucking hate New Zealanders and Valve is full of the cunts recently with Half Life Alyx having le rick and morty NZer quipping marvel quotes at you 24/7 and now LargoThe only hit they did was with Marci and that was saudi prince funded
>>554816918Well uhhI said the same thing about Mirana but I played her myself and it's just the pilot not the aircraft
>>554815353many things>>554819837he's fun to play again but having him on my team makes me nervous because everyone is used to him being retard-proof
>john wick voiceYeah, I'm thinking I'm back. So you can either hand over your MMR, or you can get farmed by the bug
>>554821321*chronos u*
well feke my beak
>>554821585FUCK OFF YOU FACELESS FUCK
>>554820103i am glad we are all able to enjoy different things about the game!
>>554819389Arc in my dogshit mmr where no one fucks him.
>>554821321Smurfing hard aren't you
>>554822061>dogshit mmrLegendbro? Same
>>554822134Yea, the rest micronegros are unfun heroes to play against if you don't secure map until hg before min 25.
i wish this game was at least consistent in how it runs like shit but alas it just happens magically
>>554819389high mmr though
>>554823680What the Tree doin
>>554823772
>>554823815the last guy i played against who picked this hero went 0-14....
>>554823815But y doe
>>554823849his e is busted and he gets FREE wards
>>554824786>>554824786>>554824786
>>554822076Weaver was never bad though
