The Nightmare is Ongoing... >>555003925>!!! NEW !!! [Balance Adjustments]https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11909138>Narja (NEW) Character PVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjVsoW4BafI>Roadmap Streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsCuVfILlh4>Dev notes 01/13https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11778007>[Chaos Zero Nightmare] Galactic News Network: LIVEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZGrP9nBvwo>Useful Links and Resourceshttps://rentry.org/xtb66f3ihttps://wiki.e7bot.top/#/czn/combatant>Current Featured Banner[ Narja ] Instinct - ControllerRate Up Period: 01/14/2026 – 02/04/2026>Upcoming Featured BannersNine | Starts Feb4Tiphera | Starts Feb25>Current/Upcoming EventsNew Content – Spiral Tower of Screams (Beta)>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?Check the Rentryhttps://czn-calc.vercel.app/https://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculatorhttps://czn-save-cal.web.app/
Fuck you OP I was baking with this pic.
>>555218992Chizu chuu is more cute
Let's push for a 3 day thread this time
>>555219038>>555218923I don't play her (but have her because she spooked me)Did they save her?
>>555219038She's a brick tho, nobody likes her.
>>555218923CZN fucking WONNERED!Cassiuskeks and Tressajeets lost...
>>555218992No, fuck you. Chizuru got the most buffs. >Note for the retard who is always upset:I don't know if they are the most impactful buffs, she just got the most lines of buffs on her chart.
Yuki buffs?
>>555218992Real fanart?
Wow they actually shot kekfox too lmao>NO>FUN>ALLOWED
>>555219108Two cards now get -1 AP cost without epiphanies. Also she can now additionally gain AP from her own cards (divine, neutrals) on top of breaking bar.
They are really bad at writing patch notes in a way that makes the changes easy to understand
>>555219164>No, fuck you. Chizuru got the most buffs.I haven't checked the Balance Adjustments yet anonWho won and who lost?
>To address this, the new rules shift Save Data valuation from being process-based to result-based.what does this mean?
>>555219173Battou.
WELL SINCE THIS IS A NO FUN ALLOWED GAME THEN I'M OUTFUCK YOU
>>555218923
>4* charsAll nerfs, zero buffs>5* charsAll buffs, zero nerfs>LimitedsUntouchedNice game cznkeks
>>555219292Look at the OP. Tressa and Cassius lost. You're gonna reset them and never use them ever again. Wanderer of the Void lost. Pretty much everything else won.
>Damage amount will be increasedHoly fuck why is it so hard to just put the real amount there?
>>555219409The only one who lost is Cassius, Tressa is still fine, just doesn't have the million daggers build.Agony might still be viable AND she might receive support from a new 5*.But yeah fuck Cassiusjeets.
>Removing cards other than starting cards does not grant points. Each removed starting card is valued at 20 pts. Transforming a card is also treated as removal.>Limits will be added to removal and duplication. Per Save Data, duplication is limited to a maximum of 4 times, and removal is limited to a maximum of 5 times.Damn this is big
>>555219387>All nerfsWe'll have to see what happens to Tressa.>>555219463They're not sure if they want to put +20% or +15% lmao
Wow I just read the patch note. Yeah they just killed Tressa.
Orleadev hard at work
>>555219409Yeah I'm looking at it right now.>TressaNever used her kek>CassiusA shame I liked my robot bro.Also is Orlea good now?Is till haven't used my 300 pity and I don't have her nor Khalipe so I was holing it until they announce the changes.
>>555219479>Tressa is still fine, just doesn't have the million daggers build.That was the only thing she had, anon. >Agony might still be viable Doubtful. On the weekly boss with the 75% damage reduction buff maybe, but who cares. >AND she might receive support from a new 5*.There is a 5* version of Tressa in the leaks.
story rewrite doko
>>555219572>Also is Orlea good now?Her core card is cheaper now, if that means anything
>>555219479>character can't be abused anymore>this is bad
you esportsfaggots never tried to build tressa outside of healing epi so sybau
>>555219567this seems like nothing at all what the fuck, any other buffers still blows her the fuck out
>>555219596>That was the only thing she had, anon....and hence why they buffed Advanced Dagger and Agony...>5* Tressawhich means another character stacking Agony (Tressa) will be good with hernothing burger for Tressa enjoyers. million damage enjoyers can go suck a dick like cassiusjeets
>>555219628Actually nevermind, Sacred Censer is her core card not Will of Light. Just a numbers buff, hold your 300 pity.>>555219690For your information I have an AoE dagger save data for Tressa. Assumptions only make you look stupid.
>>555219710small incremental buffs are better than just going overboard
>>555219304Basically that you can't cheat the Removal system by doing a Conversion of a basic card and then removing the converted card to save -20 points since you're no longer removing a basic card. Instead they're generally lowering the points cost of things, but if you get quad dupes that's still the same price as it used to be. Also, you can only get quad dupes, no more than that.
>>555219572I have e1 and Will of Light down to 1 is unironically big imo, at 2 it sat unused and clogged the hand way too oftenRest seems whatever, slime buffs could be big but need to see the numbers
>>555219757meanwhile Narja is doing everything
GUY WHY ARE THERE NO 3 2 1 0 STAR CZNsJUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHY EVEN HAVE 5/4 STARS IF YOU DONT HAVE LOWER ONES JUST MAKE THEM 1 AND 2???
I get that it's kinda good for the future of the game to not have two 4 stars who have been in the game from the very beginning dominate comps, as Tressa and Cassius were just so fucking overtuned.
>>555219716>nothing burger for Tressa enjoyers. million damage enjoyersThere are no Tressa enjoyers.
>>555219826not enough money, maybe if you buy more packs they'll make them
>>555219828It's funny because the shitposters are constantly mentioning "le no fun allowed Sereniel is OP" but she got indirectly nerfed by Cassius getting deleted too.Cassius was so unbelievably OP only retards think 10 quests for 10 Morale is fucking ok
Can anyone explain to me like I'm retarded on how to use Narja?
>>555219938Yeah the morale stacking from going wide with 0 costs was just dumb
>>555219854>There are no CZN enjoyers.ftfy
i like stacking agony (or really any sort of damaging debuff) to scary amountsis it over for me? is 20 stacks of nuagony enough to watch enemies disintegrate after a big combo?
back in my days 1-3* were exp fodders *sips*
>>555220004I have no idea how much Agony does now so we'll have to see but the 0 cost daggers are cool
"Hopechads" who celebrate the complete gutting of 4* characters will always be weird to me. I've literally never seen anything like this ever happen in any game ever outside of exclusively PvP games where one character or gun or build or something is far and away the most powerful and the nerf benefits everyone. There's not even PvP in this game, they're just removing an entire playstyle and you're happy about it and it's just a PvE game where they will custom curate the leaderboard modifiers to specifically cater to the banner unit every time anyway.
>>555218923>>555219171>>555219304>>555219342>>555219483Holy sex. I am praying for the buffs to make her good. Pleasepleaseplase.
just woke up who wonned who losted
Stop using mei lin for your jeety shitposts
>>555220004You don't get 20 procs,you get one proc worth 20 stacks that halves itself next turn. We'll have to see how good it is since Tressa's ASD got buffed to 0 cost.
>>555219739>Just a numbers buff, hold your 300 pity.Alright will do anon
>>555220095>wonneredTrickcal>LostedCZNkeks
>>555220057>complete gutting of 4* boohoooCassiusjeet no one cares about your retarded gay clown, he literally exists to spam Joker and that's it, get over it. If you want to easy win like a thoughtless retard just whale for the next OP unit.
tressa isn't even getting nerfed you retardsshe will be better with everyone but the abusive cassius shit
>saying it's weird to celebrate the nerfs of 4* characters is "jeet" now to the samefagger who is always upset about everything
Damn they super buffed hot wheels
He's talking about tressa though jeetbro
>>555220341I kind of want her for my Rin__ deck now.
>>555220342you mean the one that got 0 cost advanced daggers? yeah she's not "gutted" jeet, just the cassius-similar broken retarded bullshit build you enjoyed
HOLY FUCK.They actually did it.The new item makes you chose the epiphany WHILE KEEPING THE DIVINE.The only problem would be if we get 2 of them a week or something,but still let's go.Altrough this might completly kill all neutral cards as 120+60 is the cap.
>>555220231Deranged copiumAgony is hardcapped now and there's nothing in the notes saying it'll have its base % increased to compensate, enjoy your 800 damage per turn
they're removing 15+ agony procs kino. watching the numbers pop was the best part of playing tressa.other changes look fine/whatever/depends on numbers.
Day 1 account by the way
blud is excited for this temu ahh patch
>>555220341Yeah, I'm fucking winning
Jenazed lost viewers when he switched from CZN to endfield
>>555220435I think they might add them to seasonal rewards. Also they'll probably be the rewards from the roguelike Chaos in Season 3. I imagine they'll be rare items or something. They should add them to the BP
>>555220565endfield is a chore to watch, even if the game is good (after 10 hours of tutorials)
The truth is (even if they gutted cassius or tressa or whatever along the way) that figuring out by playtasting if things are still viable or are now good is a kind of content and will be a breathe of fresh air for discusion and game health. Especially with these many changes.
>>555218923Tits too small. Kill yourself
>>555220506i agree about the 20 cap, that seems too low
>>555220532I KNEEL
>>555220617This post is so ESL that it was difficult to read, but I got through it. But no, the "content" will last 1 or 2 days.
So I guess I'll need to farm her a Passion set now, it's basically this but now it affects the multikick and gigakick too. I lose 12% ATK but I guess it's worth it
*spread my cheeks*open wide for the new balance patch!
>>555219938if we're being real here even if the max is 10 morale, for most if not all builds, you're going to be using attack cards during the build up, so it will be around 4.5-5 morale in damage average in realityyou won't just magically have 10 morale and it's super hard to reach 10 morale now with the card gen gone
MagnaAdjustment DirectionDamage amount will be increased.Ice WallShield gain will be increased.lol
>>555220896Counter attacks are buffed too but we'll see
>>555220896Counters got buffed too and there's Nine
>>555220923yes i saw, but they are buffed under a condition that is retardedmagna is still the worst CZN
>>555220896Truth be told all Magna needs is a numbers buff to be honest, she doesn't need anything new.
>>555220896They said they're looking into future buffs for vanguards too
>>555220923placebo buffwhat content that matters will you be 100% negating an attack with a shield? if you are playing that way, i promise you just normal morale stacking and using defense-based damage will give you much more damage than whatever this retarded change can possibly give you.unless, of course, the modifier is something like x5 damage. then maybe it may be worth it (lol)
>magna buffs when she's not even worth playing before E6lmao
>>555221030>what content that matters will you be 100% negating an attack with a shield?Current tower has some robot stages and she's a Justice character.
All my homies hate Tressa
>>555220976she needs all her mana costs to be halved, her shitass unique (worst card in the game) staying at 2 mana is actual retardation. "bro, you're pyramid" that improves an F- tier character to an F+ tier character and removes her accessory slot great cool.
>>555220565I clicked and Endfield stream and all the person did for the 5 minutes I watched is that they looked around for chests, but there was even less "parkour" than Gayshit so it was super boring. I don't know who the fuck that game is made for honestly. I can't imagine it appealing to Gayshitters or WuWiggers.
Imagine if the game released with all these changes.IMAGINE.What a fucking waste.
>>555220714What do you mea->reread post>"playtasting">"these many"Holy brainfart, my bad.Anyway, a few days is the discussion cycle for new characters or balance patches in pretty much every game. Sereniel brought heated busy discussion for two days and thread went back to status quo the third, but it's still exciting to have something to look forward to. Especially if underdog characters can be revived.
Was it really necessary to rape and kill Tressa instead of just fix her interaction with Cassius? But then again, the gooks don't give a fuck about balance and just want to sell the next unit. Still funny watching the damage control on their announcement with that bullshit about meta.
Haru coins on the rise?They finally made her special card good (no longer increases cost of Anchor) and even small buffs to Anchor Shot can multiply to the moon
Every update actually does seem to make the game better. Still staying f2p though
BATTOU
>>555220565Endfield flopped massively. The pull income for non-spenders is the stingiest and greediest shit I've literally ever seen in any gacha game ever. Especially for a launch when that's when you should expect to be showered with pulls.
>>555221253I hope she's better.This FAT FUCK raped me 2 times on my Sereniel pulls...
>>555221253yeah I'm betting haru will be the one that WONNERED the most because even a small buff to anchor will make it retarded with multipliers
>>555221240>instead of just fix her interaction with Cassius?What? She interacted with Mika the most because of the healing. Also they made her advanced daggers cost 0.Cassius is the one that got giga raped, they didn't even address the fact that the only good One Eyed Popper or how's called epi is the Choose a Quest one lol
>>555221284>The pull income for non-spenders is the stingiest and greediest shit I've literally ever seen in any gacha game ever.Isn't this what people said about Stella Sora too? I wonder if I should be concerned that the newest gachas are trying to trend in an even greedier and stingier direction than the Homoverse gold standard.
>>555221169its an autist theme park, thats the best way to put itthe game has 100 different systems in placeNormalfags got giga-filtered but its good for the playerbase its aiming for
Now with the only card spam competitors shot dead in a ditch, Sereniel will comfortably faceroll all of Season 2 with no resistanceThe final season boss (in time for the second limited banner) will have a Time Eater gimmick that hardcucks the entire card spam playstyle, and this boss will get added to chaos/weeklies so Sereniel havers are forced to pull the new limited hotness tailored for the gimmickScreencap this
I may play OP characters but I only use SOVL 4* to support them, not CassiushitI hope Nia's healing buffs are good, I like her but she sucks so hard in Chaos
what's a good (the best) team for Chizuru?
>>555221426making new characters look good is just normal and expected for any gacha, thats not a hot take or anything
>>555221507sereniel narja...
>>555221426That's not a hot take or epic prediction anon...Considering Nine is a Vanguard, there will be a boss with permanent thornmail which forces you to limit your card usage or you fucking explodeHaving boss variety and forcing you to use different characters is fine btw
>>555221507narja rei chizu with the basic spam build, 3 or 4 copiesbut with the changes we'll see, its up in the air
>In the current combat environment, where ending battles in the fewest possible turns is prioritizedSo these niggers know this kusoge is a DPS race and aren't even going to try to change that?
>>555221426Everyone should always roll each Season's Limited character anyway. But yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen. No idea about Time Eater gimmick specifically, but they've already shown us that they're going to rotate buffs and points modifiers to exclusively shill the banner units.
>>555221693>No idea about Time Eater gimmick specificallyWhenever you play your 12th card your turn ends and he buffs. This counters is kept between turns.
>>555221521>>555221579It's not about making new characters look good, it's about invalidating old reliables so you have to pull They can't nerf 5*s/limiteds directly but they can make them absolute ass to play so there's no need to, there's a million ways to punish card spam and they're not above attaching the current anti-meta gimmick to literally every boss of the season (as with anti-Meilin multi hit resistance)Expect virtually every boss past season 2 to have anti card spam built in
>>555221361>What? She interacted with Mika the most because of the healing. Yeah, and it was not an issue. Her Heal Daggers weren't that overpower on their own to need to be fixed, even more so when you consider that Sereniel's weakest build probably generates more lasers than Tressa's. There was 0 reasons to nerf that.
>>555221750Oh, I mean I know about Time Eater, I just don't know if that's exactly what they're going to put into the game. Regardless, they will continue to devise ways to shill the banner units while ideally fucking over previous banner units.
>>555221794>Yeah, and it was not an issue.Limited game design and allowed to spam 40 daggers per turn...
>>555221675They might change the new content lol
>>555221675this game will never be anything than a DPS race kusoge because you'll get punished with stress even when you block an attack entirely
>>555221903Stress isn't even dangerous newcutie.
>>555221824Ah, gotcha.Probably the case But if I can still comfortably clear the base content with my roster and get all the gibs, I'm cool with it. I'm not interested in sticker tryharding. Call me names if you want.
>>555221834Untrue. And even if it was, Sereniel can do worse. They literally just had to make the card unique and increase the dagger creation to 2. Removing the epiphany just show how malicious they were towards her meta value.
>>555221675what did you expect from a retarded director who has been trying to carbon copy as much mihoyo formula as he can
Did I glance over whether or not this feature is free of cost? I can't seem to find it in the section.
>>555221507Chizuru, Mei Lin, Yuki.
>>555221834They couldn't afford to nerf card spam before Sereniel no matter how cancerous TCM became, since that's her main schtick and they needed her to sell
overreacting drama braiters are my fav posters always fun to read that shiut and replies
>>555222067>I'm not interested in sticker tryharding. Call me names if you want.Yeah, same. 6/9 and weekly points is good enough for me.
>>555222095It's free for cassius and tressa
>>555222095When they decide to completely gut units, they will allow you to reset them.
>There are no Tressa enjoyers.Yeah right FAGGOT
>>555222231>>555222293Ah I see, thanks.
>>555222198I did go for 9/9 (before I got burnt out by deck farming fatigue) but I didn't try on the ranked ladder at all, I got platinum for both bosses iirc. Just beat them to get +500k weekly points with whatever decks I had available by casually clearing content and the aforementioned deck farming at the early stages of the season.Everything looks like it'll be substantially less tedious for season 2 so I'm hopeful.
Slopgods how do I slop with my amd graphics card?
>>555222095>We nerfed this character until they're shit now, so here's the refund. Now go roll on the next banner :^)
>>555220747no, the passion is mainly for veronica, mei lin is still 2/2/2
If the new item that modifies the epiphanies after the run is not too hard to get and you get a lot of them,the game is 100%fixed.Just focus on more endgame at that point.
>>555222095but you don't get your resources back for the energy fragments you farmed or the dups you bought cool
>>555221961it isn't and im saying they SHOULD make it a problemeven when you change the gameplay to cater to shield/block oriented characters (imagine a chaos modifier where all healing is severely nerfed or limited) you'll still want to kill all enemies in as few turns as possible instead of blocking every bit of damage because of the stress mechanic
>>555222501Is this on top of the ability to reroll eiphanies at camps too? Or is that coming later?
>>555222383you don't
Real talk, no matter how good they make any of the 4-piece artifacts sets, I'm not refarming any fucking infinite RNG artifactslop shit until they add the purple tier of artifacts to the game. I already hate it so much that it destroys part of my soul to even do it once.
>>555222068>Untrue. And even if it was, Sereniel can do worse.With Selena:>4 lasers in hand>break, get 2 more + the 4 back (10 total)>reset with Selena, get 2 more + the 6 back (18 total)>repeat previous step 3 times, so 8x3 = 24 lasers (42 lasers in total)Then, if you really want to account that too, there's her EGO so 52 lasers as you get 10 back.This is the current Sereniel hard limit.This is all assuming:>you have space in hand ALL the time. reminder that you get up to 8 lasers back every turn btw>you draw all the Selena's resets>you have card draw to get those cards to begin with>you have enough AP to use Selena's resets and other cards you needTressa:>current meta teams can have 10 healing cards, 9 from Mika and 1 from Cassius>lmao I just shit out 40 daggers every timeAND her limit can increase to the moon if they were ever adding an healer that generates 1 quadrillion small healing cards for whatever reason, while Sereniel's can only increase by adding more "Reset Ravage" cards which would need to cost 0 and/or would also need to generate AP AND card draw at the same time as Selena can'tFINALLY her daggers deal more damage on average because of Agony stacksThat epi was broken and retarded as it wasEven with 2 daggers per turn it's 20 daggers with no effort whatsoever with the current team while healing yourself. Selena's Ravage reset does not do anything but that.
>>555222585i haven't done a memory fragment simulation since level 30 for the book quest and all 23 of my characters are geared. i don't understand how you all have so much trouble with them.
>>555222645Just realized, yes Ravage gives 1 ap to repay the Ravage reset cost back, still everything else is true
>>555222698>i don't understand how you all have so much trouble with them.You're either lucky or you're not. It's really that simple. I just have really bad luck. I've started just using the gold crystals to roll the mainstat I want and call it a day.
>Season 2>+30% Damage Amount to Void cards that hit 2 or more times>no max stack which means you can get 3 sets and +90% damage amountChizurubros we are cooking
>>555222571We don't know.For now we get 3 for the nerfs.Hopefully they don't go full retard and gives us like 1 per week.
>As compensation for Save Data changes resulting from this balance adjustment, three copies of the new item “Flash of Possibility” will be distributed to all players alongside the Season 2 update. >As compensation for Save Data changes resulting from this balance adjustment, three copies of the new item “Flash of Possibility” will be distributed to all players alongside the Season 2 update. Everyone having the exact same BIS deck in the next rift will make this into the biggest clown show ever.This can't be good for the game. With this shit deck building is completely trivial. They could just remove epiphanies completely
>>555222934Did you miss the equipment with epiphanies?
You forgot to say you were concerned too jeet
>>555222934Deck building will matter within the context of a chaos run, and that's what the high difficulty chaos is there for. I can't wait to play that.
>>555222883Surely it means "cards of this combatant" like all other set bonuses, I wouldn't take their retarded phrasing at face value
>>555222934removing all the shit generic epiphanies sounds really good tho
>>555222934>This can't be good for the game.I'm not going to infinitely grind Chaos anyway. At least with this I'll be able to have the deck that the game wont give me naturally. >With this shit deck building is completely trivial. They could just remove epiphanies completelyIf they removed generic epiphanies, they probably wouldn't even need to give us the Save Data item. You'd actually have a 3/5 chance of getting the epiphany you want, then you'd just have to worry about the copy event. Plus, they're adding rerolls at campfires.
>>555223287>I'm not going to infinitely grind Chaos anyway. At least with this I'll be able to have the deck that the game wont give me naturally.yes, it is rewarding players that do not play the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzosBi-HAI8It's out.
It's a good day to be a Yuki main
>>555223374no one cares, stop shilling your channel here
>>555222645>not considering the myriad of effects her basic laser can have, from vulnerable spam to gaining 1000 APs per turn, increasing the value of her cycling over Tressa's creations >Selena have retain on her Ravage Reset, while most healers will depend on card draw to always have heals available >only SKILL heal cards generate Daggers, limiting and making it easier to avoid your "healer that generates 1 quadrillion small healing cards" scenario >bringing more than 2 healers is retarded anyway because you need real damage to most combats, which is something her Daggers and agony alone cannot provide (you're not creating "40 daggers per turn", dude). Besides, the gooks are already dealing with this by limiting card creations anywayStop licking SmileGook boots, anon.
wake me up when the slop concernjeet is gone
"Rng good" niggers getting raped again.Feels so fucking good.Also: "This game is not for you bro".
what a dogshit balance patch
>>555223439They were in Endfield for the past few days surely, that game must be on the fast track to EOS if it can't even keep him occupied.
Two months. I basically just raised everyone to level 60. Tried some things but never seem to be able to break the endgame wall. lvl +60 Chaos are basically a 40/60 clear for me, and I can only clear half of the biweekly gacha currency stage. It seems the good decks require several removal and duplication of the same card, which is a bitch...Any tips? Team recommendation? Builds? Where to farm? I only level them up, pick the recommended set from Prywden, and go with it, but never min max stuff.
I just realized something Mihoyofags never experienced nerf in their games that why CZN balance patch make them mad.KEKAROOOO
>>555223516only for cassiusCucks, everyone else won bigly
>>555223359>that do not play the gameThere's a difference between playing the game and paying an Indonesian kid $20 per week to infinitely farm your ideal Save Data by doing 5-10 Chaos runs per day for an entire Season.
>>555223439wake up for yourself
why nerf wandering void????? am I the only one that think this is uncalled for
>>555223498>I ran back chaos 284 times to get the best deck (per character) and that's a good thingSome retards
There is nothing wrong with balance patch every gacha game should have itThis will make the game more fun and challenging
>>555223374I only watch my queen Lisara.
>>555223616Completely shitting on every single boss is probably why, we just went this whole time with nothing besides Judas being threatening enough to use it on.
>>555223498they are removing everything that make this game different to other gachas>this is a good thing
>>555223437>not considering the myriad of effects her basic laser can have, from vulnerable spam to gaining 1000 APs per turn, increasing the value of her cycling over Tressa's creations>Selena have retain on her Ravage Reset, while most healers will depend on card draw to always have heals availableagain, playing with infinite limitless hands, are we?>divine epitressa can have them too. 1 vulnerability on a shitty 90% damage laser is not comparable to 500 agony stacks. the AP generation stuff is true tho which I already addressed anyway>bringing 2 more healers is badyeah everyone was playing mika tressa and hugo in ladder after all...>only SKILL cardsthis doesn't mean literally anything. what do you expect generated heals to be? attack cards?you lost anyway, move on
>>555223498>Also: "This game is not for you bro".>["Just uninstall the game, bro"]You love to see it. >>555223549Just use Sereniel, retard. What? Sereniel Narja Khalipe rapes shit. Narja Chizuru probably rapes shit also. Yuki might rape shit after her buffs. Or use Sereniel with Veronica. Sereniel solves the entire game except Tower by herself.
Yeah I'm thinking Endfield won.
>>555223616Complete and total guess but if I had to imagine, people are probably abusing it to cheese the tower content since it makes it so that your otks always hit without retaliation, and that's not what they want players to be doing.It's the only type of content where the card could have made a significant impact lately.
>>555223616Again a card that limits future boss designIt's actually surprising they gave it Exhaust instead of changing the effect because the card is still good
>>555223498>we made the game boringcool glad your happy
>>555223549dps of choice + mika + veronica can beat every single chaos, if you're still having trouble then level up your frags/pots
So I should cheese tower asap NOW with void card before its too late??
>>555223687>they are removing everything that make this game different to other gachasThat never happened lolerything about this game scream mihoyoslop but 30% cheaper
>>555223983if you need it nyes, I didnt use it and still clear it
>>555223687So other gachas don't have you running the same content fifty times to get a good rng outcome? Damn, I should be playing them then.
>>555224120yea but guess what genera does? roguelikes that's why CZN is fun and breaking the game is fun.
>>555224216You must be excited to play the new (more difficult) chaos mode with no savedata feature for hardcore roguelike enjoyers then
CHAOS ZERO FUN ALLOWED
>>555223717>again, playing with infinite limitless hands, are we?You don't need infinite hands when you have 3 Homing Lasers with vulnerable epiphany that will go back to your hand to every ravage. Having only 2 Ravage resets will be enough to rape 90% of the enemies.>tressa can have them tooYeah, and use 1 fucking time every 3 turns or so. And the point is not the Laser's damage, but the debuff that will allow her big damage cards do their thing. >everyone was playing mika tressa and hugo in ladder after all...They were playing TMC because of the retarded synergy that SHOULD be fixed. No one will play Tressa, Mika and Orlea just to generate more Daggers when they could have a unity actually doing damage.>what do you expect generated heals to be? attack cards?Yes, dumbass, they can be. Look at what they're doing with Rei.
>>555224120Yes you should play other games instead of making this into them Muslim mindset, kys
>>555224216>roguelikes>roguelike games are a subgenre of role-playing video games known for their high difficulty, procedural generation of levels, and permanent death (permadeath) of the player character. This means each playthrough, or "run," is unique. CZN doesn't fit any of these requirements
>>555222934they will make it paided too watch
>>555223750>Just use Sereniel, retard. What? Sereniel Narja Khalipe rapes shit.how
>>555224440Fuck off you're not CZN target audience, go back playing your tranny games on Steam
>>555224419>You don't need infinite hands when you have 3 Homing Lasers with vulnerable epiphany that will go back to your hand to every ravage. Having only 2 Ravage resets will be enough to rape 90% of the enemies.we were talking about ladder play where you need to maximize the damage, otherwise this conversation is completely pointless because every character in the game can clear anything, and so will Tressa after the changes>And the point is not the Laser's damage, but the debuff that will allow her big damage cards do their thing.? currently, the lasers exist to build up cassius' damage and morale stacks tho... they deal very good damage but in ladder the one dealing 300k damage and oneshotting the boss multiple times was Cassiusif you use an epi different from the "Move on your hand on turn start" you even get less laser usage>Yes, dumbass, they can be.ok but what if they want to add an healer that uses a skill that generates healing skill cards?as I proved the point is that sereniel is strong but weaker than current tressa and has an even lower cap than her
>>555224440There are other "restart run" simulators like balatro out there if you want to switch games.
>>555224565he is just a shitposter who didn't even play the game
>casualchad won>tryhardjeet seethingBravo Smilegate
They just want to limit what the players can do in the game so that CZN can be like every other fucking gacha game where they do the same bullshit monetization tactics and the rate up character on banner is just better than everyone else. its so tiring.
wow live service slop ended up being live service slop in the end, how shocking
>>555224768post em
>>555224907I usually accept this being the case for gachashit but man it REALLY hurts to watch in CZN's case, especially given how hamfisted and obvious the cucking isThey have such a good core for the game and they give absolutely no shits about it except as a monetization vehicle
>>555224703>we were talking about ladder play where you need to maximize the damageAnd where does my statement fails to comply with the "ladder play"? >currently, the lasers exist to build up cassius' damage and morale stacks thoDude, their synergy with Cassius' kit is NOT the point here. I am talking exclusively about the Sereniel and Tressa's power on their own and how the former is stronger than the latter with the dedicated supports for their roles (healers for Tressa, Selena for Sereniel). Cassius is pointless on this discussion because I already agreed the way he works with these units should be fixed..>but what if they want to add an healer that uses a skill that generates healing skill cards?So you're just going to add "what ifs"? I already proposed the solution to your hypothetical scenario. Besides, like I said, we already saw their own solution through the way the Tower doesn't now allow more than 12 card creations. But you want to know why, instead of keeping limiting modes like that, they decided to fuck Tressa's kit instead? Because they'll 100% introduce someone in the future that will create dozens of cards by turn and sell them as the new shiny toy.
Is Gaya's butthole blue?
>>555224907>>555225171you are just saying wordsare those ai posts?
>>555225447Yellow and crusty with (my) dry cum.
>sees notes, nice stuff and changes>go on 4channel to see discussion on said notes>jeets, retards, schizos, and redditors flinging meaningless shit at each otherlol
running chaos right now has become even more of a time waste with the edit features coming they are so fucking retarded fuck smilegookjust go eos with this trash
so which 4pc fragment is good now???
>mei lin (x) >most retarded shit you've ever read
one word to describe these changesout of touch
I will not be reading any game design opinions that don't post their StS playtime with their latest A20 clear attached.
Make way for the worst void in the game
>>555226073Out of time
>>555224768please post your stickers to validate your opinion on the matter
>>555226182But I'm out of my head when you're not around
>>555226073https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2680581949?t=00h23m23s
Cassius desperately needed a nerf, but I think they severely overcorrected. Maybe they'll buff him to a more reasonable middle ground by Season 3, but he's definitely fully dead for S2. Tressa, who knows, way too much depends on how exactly her new Agony actually works. Might still be decent, or might be totally shittered like Cassius. I wasn't really expecting any Sereniel nerfs, lmao like a gacha can afford to nerf a limited 5* unit, but it still makes me sad since she's so fucking OP. Buffs for everyone else are nice, though it remains to be seen how relevant they actually end up being. Overall feeling positive about the changes, but not overwhelmingly so.
>>555226450both tressa and cassius got completely gutted
>>555226502I really don't think we can confidently 100% say that about Tressa. Yes, her most busted build got literally erased from existence, but they buffed a lot of her other stuff to compensate and the new way Agony works is hard to really judge. If it still does the same amount of damage per stack as current Agony, yeah, she's cooked, but SURELY these retards aren't going to reduce her Agony infliction and cap the max Agony stacks without also giving the base damage SOME buffs, right?
>>555226390>buff everyone to that epi's levelwhat a fucking retard lmao gacha content creators are retarded
>>555226696>SURELY these retards aren't going to reduce her Agony infliction and cap the max Agony stacks without also giving the base damage SOME buffs, right?
this is the worst patch i have ever seen
>>555226954Cry about it. Bitch
>>5552269544* meta abuser...
>>555226696>If it still does the same amount of damage per stack as current Agony, yeah, she's cookedBro...
>>555227061>>555227136the most popular content creators are calling them out of touch and clueless...
>>555227258Pedozad isn't popular nor intelligent.
>>555227258
>>555227258>CCsNPC-kun...
>>555226696You cant reliably generate daggers with Tressa now, your option is what, generate 3 from shadow reload? 1 AP, need to dupe and draw it each turn? LMAO
>>555227258Chud can't formulate its own opinions
>>555227212Lol.>nerfed agony >nerfed her agony application >removed her only good card
>>555227309>>555227362>>555227404>>555227431i read the notes by myself, formed my opinion and then watched some peoples opinion without adjusting my ownbut they have a big overlap with mine>>555227450the worst part is that they are removing her "playstyle"it is cool to have 30 agony ticks at the end it feels really satisfyingone tick for 800 with a cap is just completely retarded
>>555227258>content creatorsMoron
>>555227258content creators opinions has no value, gacha ones even more so, they will go to the next hot new game soon anyway
>>555227212>deals the same damage>Half the stack each turn>can't even get to 20 easily anymoreWhat are these devs even smoking?
Content creators all assured me that Duet Night Abyss will be the next big thing too
only tressafags are madso fucking funny and obvious
>these unskilled meta abusing drones thinks they know more than Jenazadlaughable
>>555227771The patch notes with the actual numerical values and changes will be on Feb 3Watch them actually increase the base Agony damage because they forgot it or something
ok but what about the rewrite?
>>5552282282027
>>555228114Cope.
who wonned and lost
>>555228228Probably Season 3 (April)
>>555228271>implying I play shitssa
>>555228312Cassius lost bigly, Tressa lost a medium amount, Wanderer of the Void lost. Everyone else wonned.
>>555228312I won (Narja is sitting on my face)
>>555228312>wonpeople who like the concept of limited turbo overpowered units>losteveryone else
>>555228412Kefoxbros... We are forgotten...
This is actually worse than Hoyoslop because they never nerfed Bennett or Xingling. Actually amazing fuck up.
>>555228312Cassius lost, he's literally unusable now because his healing is fixed instead of scaling so he can't even heal stress Everyone else won except for Tressa who is in limbo
it was good while it lasted, but goodbye /czn/. I didn't log in twice in a row, this game isn't for me anymore
Is it still worth starting this game now or am I cooked for missing out on launch rewardsIt looks really cool
what are the gooks reactions to the changes???
>>555228843no bro the game is unplayable nowwalk away and never look back
>>555228843>or am I cooked for missing out on launch rewardsIf you don't start now you might miss something on the 30th, apparently there's a cool reward... maybe...you also missed a free dupe for 5* and a bunch of rolls
>>555228954jesas what the fuck is that THING
>>555228956your post was the first reportable shitpost in a long while retard
>Reduce the amount of agony that shadow daggers apply>Make it significantly harder to generate shadow daggers in the first placeSo what was the plan here?
>>555228990JAJAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>555228843current banner has a good support to go with any DPS so no harm trying out the game yourself and see if you like it
>>555228642Yeah, for an entire year or more, Bennett, Xingling, Waterboy + flex was top meta and fucking Mihomo never bothered trying to gut them. We are already receiving gaming-changing nerfs with 100 days of existence. Imagine being worse than one of the worst gacha companies.
>>555228843it's free, install, play, get bored, uninstallif you're not interested in rerolling you might as well start now and chill hoarding gibs until season2 then pull the next limited in a month or two
>>555228843day 1 rolls, lots of apology rolls and gems, the best limited dpsbut the best support in the game is currently on rate up so it's not a bad time to reroll, they also announced insane amounts of qol coming soon so the game will be more enjoyable than before overall
>>555228642>>555229152is this satire? not sure with gacha brainsgenerally changing metas are good?
>>555229193>but the best support in the game is currently on rate uplol>they also announced insane amounts of qol coming soon so the game will be more enjoyable than before overalllmao
they will roll back the announced agony changes screenshot this post
>>555229274You replied to a shitposter.
>>555229274>gachabrainNigger, you genuinely retarded? The nerfs ARE gachabrained. They are made to shill and sell new units.
>>555229368only if gooks are making noises
>>555228843It's free, just hop it and ask here if you got any questions.
>>555228843you missed serenielyou might not feel it at the beginning but later on you will
>>555229530Gooks don't play the game. I think Japs were the most prominent playerbase, but they are gigacucked and will accept anything.
>>555229609next limited will be better than sereniel
>>555229528>They are made to shill and sell new units.Every Genshin character released during that period sold quadrillions, it literally doesn't matter. Yuki is the biggest turd on the planet gameplay wise and the game sold 20 millions with her. Gameplay is always irrelevant, whales will whale everything.
>>555229528If you don't think Cassius needed a nerf, gacha or not, you are positively retarded. Yeah, they probably went too far, but something needed to be done about his bullshit.
>>555215821Anyone got tips for killing Judas kow? Cause I kept recycling Wanderer with Joker…
>>555229321+10 izzat for you good sir
>>555229767Khalipe solos him
>>555229767bwo your railgun loli?
>>555229767one void is still enough to own him
>>555229767dudei wish a girl did that to me tooespecially a girl like beryl
>>555229767I just used Machinegun Beryl
>>555229685This game is not 2020 Genshin. Besides, I am obviously talking about the average player.>>555229717A nerf? Sure. Rape his and Tressa's entire kit? Yeah, fuck off.
HARU NEEDS MORE BUFF THIS AREN'T ENOUGH SHE BASICALLY GOT NOTHING
>>555230104What the fat cow needs is a diet, not buffs
>>555229528you can't be serious
>>555230205Imagine the farts afterward...
Owen's homescreen should be you and him holding hands
>>555230242Here's your (you), you lowercase imbecile.
I wonder if Orlea is actually worth a damn now. She is by far the worst controller and it doesn't help that her kit is absolutely garbage.
>>555230359>lowercase imbecileare you a redditor
>>555230397she's pretty good in tower. You just need to copy her creation card and she's good to go for long-turn content
>>555229528They need to keep paying the shills. I mean, they can't be doing all that gook licking for free.
>>555230397Trust the Orleadev. Wait for the new corrupted mindbreak gimmick.
I don't get why everyone here is going apeshit over nerfs that would fuck the game up. Tressa has more build variety now and you don't have to farm chaos decks like a retard for hours. Cassius got fucked but lets wait and see how he'll work out
>>555229089Shut up SHUT THE FUCK UPCHOKE ON MY DICK
>>555229717>nerf in a pve gameThey could have created new monster who countered the 0 spam mechanics and they're setting a precedent that it's fine to nerf character,
>>555230934>Tressa has more build variety nowLol, Tressa's dead, dumbass. It's not just her only good card being removed, the agony rework is dogshit.
>>555230976>pve game
>>555230934>everyoneevery indian raider, yes
>>555229767Unironically haru will probably solo him now.
>>555229965>>555230034How does that recommended epiphany work? It says “upon retain” she attacks but like do I have to hold it for 20+ turns and then she will fire the same amount as rounds or every time I retain any card she will fire it? And would it scale based on the amount retained?
>>555230738I expected more from the buffs. Her problem aren't just the numbers. >>555230586She's just bad everywhere. Handclog style gameplay. Retain as a scaling mechanic means having to pass your turns in order to get value. Has both healing and damage cards mixed in her kit. They fixed her double attack cards but she's still wildly underwhelming.
>>555230934Holy cope
>>555231220one shot per own card with retain tag in hand per upgrade at the end of the turn1 upgrade + 4 cards = 4 shots2 upgrades + 4 cards = 8 shotsetc
>>555231220If you get one upgrade she fires one per owned retain cards at the end of turn. With two she fires twice per. With three, three. It's honestly her BiS deck if you're running a solo damage dealer build.
please post haru or sereniel lewds
They gutted Teresa way too fucking hard. All the decks people grinded with her are bricked as well after these changes and they completely killed her most used epiphany. Not nerfed, straight up murdered. Cassius while not even a shadow of his former self at least kept his gameplay loop intact.Butchering the most used 4* to this extent while Sereniel who is just as good remains untouched doesn't look good at all
>>555231372>>555231510Holy shit
>>555231543
>>555231543just one
>>555231220She does 1 extra attack at the end of your turn for each of her retain cards in your hand. The main thing is you stack like at least 3 of her upgrade cards and just hold maybe around 4 of her retain cards for at least 12 attacks at the end of the turn without using up anything. It bypasses Judas's mechanic too and hits for weakness.
uhh, where are the Renoa buffs?
>>555231701Need 0_(19)
>>555231701Obedient bitch.
>>555231749When she pleads loyalty to the captain by beheading Owen and bringing his head to his room
>>555231713>hits for weaknessIt doesn't, but it does scale with Justice damage from her V memory frag.
>>555231834Senmentsu in the streets, obedient bitch in the sheets
>>555231543SENMETSU
>>555231764
>>555231864>blue enemy>doesn't hit weaknesswhy though
>Narja didn't get a buffit's so fucking over...
>>555232049>>555232070I am doing.
>AI artists are back>but not the based one
>>555232224but shes good?
>>555232173Extra attacks don't hit weakness
>>555232049She is going to SENMETSU my dick if she smashes that ass on it
>>555231372>>555231510>>555231713Sorry for being a complete uneducated retard but I have played Beryl for a total of (chaos) ZERO games so I have absolutely no fucking clue how she works. Can I get a QRD on her to understand your posts?
>>555232390but I want buffs regardless?
>>555232631greedGOD
>no Kayron buffThat's concerning because Season 2 they overnerfed two characters and only give medium buff to some of them that mean Season 3 will be the real overbuff they're learning from feedbacks. You're pulling for Arturia right?
>>555232562Basically this.
nah, pulling for carl
>>555232989So you just retain a bunch of cards and she autoattacks every turn?
Hello. Did the epiphanies get overhauled so we can Copy which we want and get to reroll those +Resolve bricks?
>>555233212>CopyNow you get to choose the character so the chances you don't get to copy what you want are very slim>RerollThey're adding an item to do literally that and gifting 3 of them to usAll of this when S2 drops
>>555233351>All of this when S2 dropsoh...
so any reason to run chaos now or is it dead week
>>555233446It's not that far, February 4th.Also forgot:you have actual rerolling during chaos runs too.
>>555233478Doing your dailies. Otherwise yes, it's time to put the game on hold until feb 4.
>>555233478Just for the event and to spend the 4 tokens. If you have a level 120 chaos you can do all of this in 1 run, like I did.
I played a few days at launch but got bored.Is it a good time to come back? Is the goon level higher? That's critical. I want my gacha to be as gooner as possible.
you may not like it, but this is what peak Protos performance looks like
>>555233642I don't get it how do you even do this shitty event? I missed first week cuz I just did chaos casually and didn't get it
>>555233771>I want my gacha to be as gooner as possible.You're going to trigger gameplayfags itt
>>555233771>Is the goon level higher?
>>555232437i'll need a source on that, post a screenshot of your beryl upgrade hitting a blue enemy or a veronica hitting a red oneif it says weak it is hitting weakness
>>555233913Lo and behold...
>>555233908Go in Chaos ZeroGet a planet of level 80+Clear itYou will get rewards based on its level (it's 80, 90, 105, 120)105 and 120 can be ignored if you want but 80 and 90 are 2 limited and 2 standard rolls so you should try to get those at leastIf you don't know how to level up planets, you have to keep clearing them and the level will increaseIf you die/quit before reaching the first checkpoint you lose the planet and have to restart from the default level of the difficulty you're onLevel 80 is on the max difficulty, 10
>Westmacott now is the archetypical “minus 1 draw 2” YGO card>and it narrows down to the specific unit you wantWesmacott meta! Westmastonks on the rise!
>>555233990>Lo and behold, it's christmasWhile showing sereniels' massive bazookas may be one of the unintentionally funniest things I've read
>>555233771YesYesSoon the Chaos will get epiphany rerolls too so it will get even better
>>555234075I'm glad they're buffing partners that mean everyone now need their signature to make them playable.
>>555234064I did a lv14 with trauma but never got the reward.. are they given to us after the event or?
>wake up>notification about the changes>read the changes>day ruinedthey don't play their game
>>555233478For fun and to farm CoD and whatever the fuck the memory fragment crafting item is called
>>555234273>lv14In Chaos Zero? you need to get to level 80 bro...If you're referring to the event Chaos that's unrelated, it's an event going right now and only works in Zero
>Hunting Instincts gets buffed to include Initiation in most cases>Oath of Vanity gets ignoredKayronbros... I don't feel too good...
>>555234420Yeah I meant difficulty lv my bad so it should be like lv80+
>>555234423futility oaths would still suck (in save content) even with initiation, the real buff would be removing exhaust on skill oath
>>555233892who's the woman on the right? She's so hot I want to do her while she's wearing the mask.
>>555234559Yeah bro you make a chaos with difficulty 10, that chaos will be lvl 80, then you complete that chaos and can choose between 3 chaos which will likely be around lvl 90, clear one of those, you get option of lvl 100, then 110, then 120 and when you do that one you complete the event
>>555234559
>>555234713Luke’s original commander before he joined Beryl
>>555234958>quits for FLATrylLuke is fucking gay holy shit
so tired of playing Endfield I forgot to login to this game bwo
>>555233098Yep
>>555234635True enough. Beta testers really fucked his kit. So Mei Lin, Tressa, Cassius (lol) and now Sereniel get to spam zero-cost attacks, but not Kayron? They should definitely address that if they ever decide to buff him
>>555235058I tried that but bored out by the time they made me build a tower. I couldn’t be assed to play any further
>>555234958>partners are hotter than the combatants>now npcs are too
>>555235109Thank you
>>555235058what does this mean
>>555235130judging by bria, e2 and his ult, i think they always meant him to use the turboexhaust build, because if futilities are 0 cost, there is no point to that epiphany at all, then again the agony oath exists so what the fuck do i knowin my opinion turboexhaust is a lot more fun to play too, but it's just not viable with single use oaths
So by default, removing all Basics went down from 100 to 60. And if you get 3 dupes on the character, +40 so 100 points. That's kinda big, people usually farm Tier 13 which in DT are 160 points, those are 3 divine epis, 3 neutrals, 3 common monster cards or 1 rare one.
>>555235520Also, if you farm the HARDEST which is Tier 15 in DT you get 180 points, meaning you can slot one of the legendary monster cards like Dominion and if they get Epis it doesn't matter anymore as they do not cost points so you can get a fucking Divine Epi on them too.
>>555235520it also doesn't matter what epis you get since you can just pick themplay one chaos per character -> done for the seasongacha niggers killed the game
>>555235520>>555235654Most Monster Cards now value from 20~40 now with only 2 weighting 80 points too so there is finally some worth in owning them
>still mad at gacha game doing gacha things
stop shitposting with my wife's picture
>>555235845Some have potential.
>>555235520One thing I am didn't understand: they said neutral cards with epiphanies will still cost 20 points, but will divine epiphanies increase the cost?
>>555236148no>Neutral cards are calculated at a fixed value, regardless of whether Epiphany has been applied.they always cost 20. or for monster cards, 20, 50, 80
>>555235781What do you mean?
>>555236198>>555236148nvm divine epis on neutral is probably still a +20, I think it's the regular epi that works exactly like the character cards and does not increase the cost. right now it adds a +10 on neutral cards
>>555236308Yes they said divine values remain
>softlocked on battle end 2 times in one chaosCan smileNIGGERS fucking fix this kusoge already
Smilegate knew they cannot unbrick Yuki and Chizuru, so instead of reflecting on themselves they nerfed the GOAT
>>555236215what do you mean what do i mean?
>Each removed starting card is valued at 20 ptsThat's probably the most impactful change this patch. 40 extra save data points for decks that remove all three basics is an enormous buff
If you don't want your waifu to get nerfed don't use her on the leaderboard.Smilegate use character pick rate to determine which one should get nerf.
>>555236601Heaven or Hell
>>555236215epiphanies literally do not matter anymore when you build a deck, just copy whatever epi 3 times and use epi adjust currency on the deckthey should remove epiphanies completely
So many people lying that they cared about tressa before the great rift abuse
>>555236652This shit will probably be a rare currency.
>>555236782we are getting 3 out of the gate lol
>>555236652>>555236735retardsI thought you were talking about meditation at first, but you actually think we're getting infinity deck editing? First gacha?
>>555236860That's because they mega nerfed Tressa/Cassius.Expect it to be rare and special rewards from events.
>>555236989retard >>555236860
>>555236860Yeah, because of the nerfs and damage control.
>>555237021i would bet that we get 6 per week from simulationsthis is no longer a deck builder but editor
so how are the Rin buffs? anything worth noting?
>>555237087>i would bet that we get 6 per week from simulationsThat would be insane lolAt best you get 1 per week and even then I highly doubt it.
>>555237023>3 = infinitywow you really are retarded
>dev make the game less rngGood. I hope these rngfags fuck off from here
>>555237165>>555237192you guys are forgetting that we are getting this on top of the rerolls in the campsepiphanies are a dead meme that should be removed
Ya. I'm done.
>>555237235>eah depending how bad it is i'll quit and maybe check back in S3 but I doubt they can ever take it backThis is a slippery slope and we are sliding in turbo speed
>>555237235Shut the fuck up, casual.
>>555237235>less RNGhaha surely you didn't forget about the RNG equipment introduced in season 2They're doing the correct thing of putting the RNG on equipment and removing the layers from deck building because RNG for deck building is retarded in the first place
>can make a deck you want out of the gate for the seasonal content that needs you to farm new decks every 3 months>this is le badWait for the trve roguelike mode they promised for your fix of rng dick and balls in your asses, you fucking mongoloids. Save data content getting streamlined is objectively good because they forfeit this game being a 100% roguelike the moment save data was introduced in the first place.
>>555237235nah it's because player retention is low and barely anyone does Chaos. The problem is more like fluidity of chaos itself, it's exhausting to play through and causes fatigue.
>>555237283Epiphanies shouldn't be a lottery, they should be tools that allow different playstyles.
>>555230934It's because they don't play the game and don't want to have to play it more. They were hoping they could just keep reusing the same TCM decks they grinded back in S0 for the life of the game.
these buffs changes are so ahh
>>555237395You're not the target audience
>>555237510Then remove them and let players just pick the ones they wantThey can also remove save data entirely at this point, it doesn't matter anymore
>>555237439its gonna be RNG dick & balls anyway because theres equipment RNG now
>Anon thinks he will be getting a lot of this MYTHIC itemlollmao
>>555237580Not anymore thanks to little bitches like you.
can we expect apologems ?
>>555237580yeah i am no longer and i will stop spending money on the gamenot that i spent muchi will also no longer make cute reaction images for this shit game
>>555237660I'll miss out on a mythic gear effect if it means I can get a deck I want every time, let the leaderboard autists care about that.
>>555237590Exactly, save data and epiphany RNG are just ways to farm engagement time from turbo autists. Every combatant should just have 1 attack and 1 skill and that's it. And they should also rework the game from the ground up so it's a 3D open world ARPG.
>>555237717You were never the target audience.The devs being retards and not understanding that their model can't work for a live service gacha game, didn't make you the target audience.
>>555237931we will get there if they keep listening to gacha niggers don't worry
>>555237883Delete your account we don't need you in here
>>555237912Don't be naive. The entire game will be balanced around having good equipment.
>>555237931>>555238004seething this hard lol
>>555238026deleting an account is something braindead gachaniggers without self control like you would do i get that
>>555238050Just like the entire game was balanced around TCM and Sereniel, right?
>>555237992Keep crying, sissy. Maybe they'll let you entirely skip Chaos runs and just choose and edit your deck from the character profile.
maybe my orlea e4 will be useful now
QRD on this gachanigger schizoHe come to gacha general and then get mad at gacha game?
>>555238231I'll happily do that while you keep seething for months about a game you don't play anymore.
>>555238231bwo they just added that 1Chaos/character/season
>>555238204Cope.
>>555238374Seethe.
>>555238460Dilate.
>>555238314QRD for yourself
>>555224120instead they have you doing the exact same thing with no variation for hours every week for 5+ years have fun with that
I wish they would actually fix 4 piece. It would be so much easier to farm. This ain't it though.
i am coping, seething, and dilating at once
>>555238561Lmao. You're the one dooming, did you lose your narrative doomkek?
>>555238314A low izzat indian
>>555238191So you hate the game but still playing it? Anon you're the braindead gachanigger itt
>>555238835Where did i say that?
>>555238746There's no narrative, you dumb troon. Casual redditors like you cried about RNG in a rl game and now I am calling you faggots out for it. That's all.
>can't cheese judas anymoreYea, fuck you.
>>555238956Your Beryl?
This has to be the only roguelike deck builder I have ever play that felt the need to step in and kill strategies that let's players otk, or stack a ton of dots, ect ect
>>555239242They have to sell the next unit, bro. Think about the shareholders.
>>555239242>roguelike deck builderthis game is neither now, stop complaining and enjoy the gacha game
>>555238594>have fun with thati am though
>>555239242>>555239346I think its ok in this case because Cassius was completely utterly ridiculously busted to the point everything else had zero relevanceThey shouldn't have made him that way in the first place
>>555239242Whales need to feel like they paypig behavior matters.
>>555239242Oh sure Yugioh can kill my deck every single banlist but CZN kills Tressa after 100 days and that’s fine
>>555237319Do not besmirch my daughterwife, get this hideous sloppa out of here
>>555239536>f2pag meltyKek
>>555239551This is a chaos nughtmare zero thread, AI are is fully encouraged (most of the art of the main game is after all!)
>>555239551We love ai here
>>555239414>enjoying literal chores why are gachafags like this
>>555239724Oink oink!
>>555239763>>555239871I like me some sloppa but such off model heresy is unacceptable
>>555238997I'm not autistic enough to try getting 4 copies of opening fire with one specific epi.
>>555239536Sure buddy. You said this when they soft-nerfed TCM in the second rift too, but f2p still easily got into Masters.
>>555239956well first off i don't consider gameplay to be a "chore" so jot that down
>>555240110I have 3 and she works just fine, wdym
>>555231678>4 stars feel like 4 stars meanwhile all the 5 stars (mei lin/chizuru/sereniel/luke/etc.) with damage stacking capabilities and can hit a bajillion times in one turn are left untouched and uncapped!!! Imagine my shock!
>555239763>555239871shan't give a (You)
should I be prefarming for nine or will she suck
>>555241271>vanguardEither new meta broken or complete shit. Also might be either or based on if you have narjia
What did our goat Flares say about the changes
>>555241212I unmarked my own posts so I never get (you)s, a reply is a reply direct or not.
>>555233913Sold.
>>555241271>asking this to people who thought Sereniel would suckNobody knows bro
narjas light blue areolae
>>555242357nostopshe has pink nipples
>>555240330i wouldn't consider shit where you couldn't lose even if you fell asleep gameplaynot to mention you've already done the exact same "content" 1000 times before
>>555242971>not to mention you've already done the exact same "content" 1000 times beforeimagine unironically playing a roguelike deckbuilder and being surprised and upset that you have to replay the same things multiple times
>>555241271Khalipe is tier SSS and even more after the buff why would you need Nine lol
How much do you guys think the damage increase buffs are going to be? I hope they're substantial and not like 20%.
>>555243752well lets just say Khalipe has near zero sex appeal compared to Nine
https://x.com/Shark_StarPeac/status/2015781909880811628 saw this on twitter, i think she would be really cute in the game
I hope Nine gameplay offers more diversity and gimmicks to vanguards. So far we have:>Utter shit and literally can't function without another shielder>makes shield but counterattacks>makes shield but counterattacks but like better>makes shield but everything is expensive
>>555244047For Yuki it will be a 100% damage increase. Double Damage or Double D if you will.
How bricked am I if skip Narja?
>>555244559Based, I trust this unconditionally.
>>555244596she's a good and cool combatant but not essential
>>555243752It's hard to imagine what she would even do. Like Khalipe is technically a vanguard but people use her mostly as an aoe dps and the shield generation is just sort of an afterthought. The only thing I could think of is maybe she vanguards by debuffing enemies? Instead of improving survivability by blocking she stacks weakness and fortitude? But then that sucks because there's no synergy with Maribel or Magna. But I'm not a game developer so I don't know how to make a good combatant.
>>555244596I just finished a run with her, Sereniel and my beloved Veronica and she is nowhere near as comfy as Mika. With the changes they're making in season 2 there's no real benefit to running her in chaos anymore.If Nine is busted then Narja might be great. Otherwise I'd skip her tbdesu
>>555244596she's Mika and Rei fused into one
>>555244556>Too dark>No cuteness or sexy appeal>More womyn and katanas>Colored hair(You)
>>555244954You're doing something wrong, narja's healing is fuckhuge and the stress bar shouldn't be a problem if you plan properly
>>555245148Narja's healing is dependant on her voracity stacks, which are very slow at the start of chaos. Hell, some of her epiphanies even reduce the amount she stacks. While her healing isn't bad, it isn't consistent either
>>555244938Well we don't have this yet
Chaos is a ladder...
>>555245458Bro?
>>555245458We do actually its Maribel's primary method of attacking. It's just that you can't generate enough block to ever do a meaningful amount of damage.
Chrono Ark collab fucking when
>>555245664>>555245721Oh. lmaoI guess we need the 2x shield card to make it work
>>555243284except roguelites have a crapton of variance and are actually challenging the gachashit chores have neither of those VERY important factors
what counters thorns damaage on tower? narja can't outheal it
>>555246582Haru
>>555246582Beryl
passion set BiS on Veroniga now??
>>555246862On every passion
>>555246179so you 9/9 every boss last season, platinum on both rift bosses, cleared DXI on lab0, and cleared every floor so far of the tower?
>>555246862NoThere was a bug on launch where ballistas didn't consume the stacks, and it still wasn't BiS then.
guys just tell me How is Magna....
>>555247632One of her combat voicelines is very cute... and that's it
>>555245721>>555245458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo_H7uAyNBEYou guys already forgot about this?Devs are going to also nerf this btw, the blue helmet that grants shield on draw will be limited to 5 per turn in the upcoming patch
>>555247891fuck even the buffs didn't save her?
>>555248025they just said they are increasing dmgand shield of one abilitylooks completely cooked unless the numbers are big
>>555248025What buffs lmao, counter attack still doesnt have a scaling stat like Extra Attack, can't crit, and is still limited by the enemies' action. If all they're buffing is numbers, they have to buff it by 5 times at least for it to be viable
>>555246582You said it yourself: counters
>>555247632too soon to tell, but vanguards will likely keep sucking in time limited content even with the buffsin tower they should be good as long as they can get enough shields to tank the retarded damage, because they will only do damage with counters if they fully block attacksthey said they'd make counters become extra attacks in the patch stream back then iirc, but it remains to be seen
>>555247898No fun allowed
>>555247898This isn't really doing enough to justify a nerf imo. Nine must have some shield-based damage scaling that's much stronger.
Nine, Magna, Narja will be the new meta team.
>>5552485634*s aren't allowed to be good, pull the new 5* goy
>>555248161>>555248213why do they hate my girl...
>>555248863Your Mika? Your Rei? Your Selena?
>>555249394>MikaNot the top dog anymore with Narja, and possibly upcoming Orlea buff>ReiGeneralist good, but probably will never be top leaderboards good>SelenaShe was never good before, you have to pull for Sere, who is a limited character for her to be good
now that i play other chaos i realize how good lab0 was, the extra cards are so good for building narja
>>555249675Rei is a good amp for multi hit character, but unfortunately her best teammates Mei Lin and Luke will forever be cucked by the 7 max hit count
>>555249675>4*s aren't allowed to be good>Except these units, who are good but not OPMasterful goalpost moving
>doomers pretending they don't get enough free pulls to get every halfway decent 5*Must be tough to be a czn doomer in 2026...
>>555249675Narja is better than Mika?
>>555245458This only works because of barricade and calipers, and at that point pretty much anything gets the job done. But I do love shield slamming face.
>>555250287>have every banner unit>400+ rollsAt this point I might E2 the next limited or roll on partners...
>>555250020They are not Tressa/Cassius good, nor draw loop 1 turn KO good, those characters are all dependant on a 5* dps, while those other teams enabled f2ps to clear endgame content with a full 4* team>>555250512Heal, cost reduction, deals damage, dmg ampvsHeal and AP, while we also havent gotten any AP hungry DPS since Haru, so yes
>>555251173>draw loop 1 turn KOThis should never be a thing
So when does this new patch drop? After this banner ends?
>>555251474Its not even that good, takes long as fuck to set up and luck to not brick your hand, just to deal like what, 4k8 damage x each shield bash copy max? I thought it might be a niche tech to have fun in Basin/Tower since it didn't top the leaderboard at all, but they still had to nerf the blue helmet in addition to the Cass nerf
Just woke up, who WONNERED and who is eating pag
To make up for Cassius' nerfs, they should've made Joker a zero-cost card (or at least given it Initiation). Fits in with his theme and the card's theme itself (Joker often being the best card in any game it can be played)
>>555251853Hopechads WONNEREDDoomjeets and TCMfags are eating pag
>>555251896The only "Joker" is Cassiusjeets. Joke, even.
>>555230397who's the father of the baby?
>>555251853everyone lost
>>555230397Both the 2 build that she was good got fucked.Heal Tressa? Deleted upgrade copies in Leaderboard, 12 card creation each turn cap in Tower of Screams, removed next patchRetain +2 hit Beryl? Caught a stray bullet from Mei Lin/Luke 7 multi hit cap nerf (Every boss now has it in Tower of Screams)
>>555252385me actually
Captain... you won't abandon me after the lobotomy right?
so how do you like the changes?
>>555252916they have to take that shit back
>>555252916I'm sorry, Tressa. I'm fucking Sereniel now.
>>555252916I love sad girls in every universe.
Will Yuki buffs make her tits and ass bigger?
>>555252916Tressa is being sent to the farm...
>>555253023repeating myself but no, they are out of touch and cluelessthe devs do not play their game
>>555253023will wait untilt he actual patch
Losers>TCM KILLED AND THROWN IN A DITCH>WOTV KILLED >SPIRIT KEKFOX RAPEDWinners>HARU EATING CAKES>CHIZUU CHU PLAYABLE?>KHALIPE SHOWN LOVE >kayron flopgotten and memoryholed >buffs on 5* partners to give ATK% memoryholedGood patch I guess nothing that could give too much hope for s2 just yet
>Tressa and Cassius nerfed>Corruption causes them to revert back to their original kitsThis would be kino
>>555253331NTA but the changes didn’t get implemented? The thread went crazy while I was away from home
Ser without Cassius can't do the tower.
>>555253440>>buffs on 5* partners to give ATK% memoryholed
>>555220341>>555220424>>555220547Worth picking up for Yuki now? I have E1 and would like to make her stronger.
>>555253440you forgot>all RNG from chaos was removed>deckbuilding is completely brain-dead and irrelevant now
>>555253652Let's first see the actual numbers.It's also mentioned in the notes but not mentioned, but they also buffed the 4* and 5* partners' stat buffs, we'll see.
Orleabros? Did we win?
>>555253491Nope thats S2
>>555254019>The effect values of Creations will be increased.>Will of Light - Reduce cost by 1.Yeshttps://files.catbox.moe/ub5v8i.mp4
who losted?
>>555254019>2 new Instinct released>Still no Retain DPS like BerylNyo
>>555254790UOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>When are they gonna buff Narja? She's so assIs this true? I thought she was supposed to be pretty good filling in a lot of roles?
>>555253808[citation needed]>>555254901Everyone won except the doomers, they're reeling over another good update
>>555255260She is.
>>555254790I need this in my life
>>555255260She doesn't heal stress so she's kinda hard for chaos if you can't burst down fights in one turn.
>>555255269>[citation needed]i malded a lot further up, read the thread
>>555255387Are you the one who thinks we'll get unlimited deck editing, or are you a different retard?
jeets wonnedbread losted
winnings mid i dropped it
>completely remove the heal dagger epiphany>those card changes>those agony changesgoddamn we're actually killing characters and archetypes now? I've never seen a character get nerfed THIS hard before, especially in a gacha.
>>555256306Have you ever seen a team of launch 4*s dominate the leaderboard in any other gacha?
wonder if they are testing the community with these trash changes to see how big the backslash is to just then walk back
PLEASE NEW MALE CHARACTER
Can someone message me when the next limited comes out. I'm going to take out the trash and have a smoke but don't want to miss out when a character that doesn't get nerfed comes out.
>>555256806that guy is the antagonist of season 2
>>555256806Go back to the last stream he is shown
>>555256306The agony change is effectively the same as it was before considering most of the time your overall agony stack is reduced by half anyways, and it was genuinely annoying before having to scroll past all the agony debuffs to see other shit on the enemy stat page. The only two things that you people don't like about it is that it's now hard capped at 20 and it doesn't give you the dopamine hit watching a bunch of 50-70s buzz around the enemy at the end of the turn.
>>555257768>The only two things that you people don't like about it is that it's now hard capped at 20 and it doesn't give you the dopamine hit watching a bunch of 50-70s buzz around the enemy at the end of the turn.yes and? they also moved agony dmg to flat dmg on her attacksshe is the dot CZN now she is just generic shit
just wait until they release a boss that disables all of your cards that have the 'replicated' label on it
>>555257979You're talking about the agony change like they completely changed everything about it when it's functionally the same and no longer clutters the enemy debuff page. I understand that Tressa's been gutted of her infinite dagger spamming and that makes your dick soft but be fucking real man
>>5552579794 stars were always destined for irrelevancy. next season there will be a 5 star agony character and she'll be really strong and it'll be fine
It still blows my mind that we have retards here celebrating and defending the fact that SmileGate not only completely gutted 4* units early in the game's lifecycle just so that they can sell you 5* Limiteds, but also the fact that they are removing the one playstyle in the entire game that had the most interactivity between cards and actually felt like you were playing a card game. It was the only "engine" that this game had, and you are happy they removed it, and you call everyone who didn't think this needed to happen a "jeet". They are always going to rig the buffs and the score multipliers to shill the newest banner unit anyway, and they are always going to add nerfs to characters via boss conditions like they already have done. They didn't need to gut the characters too, and they definitely didn't need to remove the only thing in the game that felt like a card game(heal -> generates daggers -> generates triple 0)
>be me, simply good at card games>all nerfs are good because I can adapt faster than 99% of players>all buffs are good because I can adapt faster than 99% of players>I do not concern over any dev notes>I do not concern over schizo doomer threatsFeels good to be good
>>555259276GPT-tier doomjeet
>be me>see hot character named Yuki>play Yuki>Yuki get buff>happy
>>555259525The change doesn't even affect me, and I still think it's retarded. Anyone with a functioning brain would think the nerfs are retarded and unnecessary.
>>555259550Many Japanese players are thinking this
Damn, that’s crazy. [-]
looked at arcanot one positive posthttps://arca.live/b/chaoszeronightmare/160695028?p=1this one is funnyhttps://arca.live/b/chaoszeronightmare/160693489?p=1
>>555259276>it still blows my mind that people are unfazed that they changed a couple 4* units to feel like 4* units! How could they do that?! How could they do that to 4*s?!>Sure all the other 4* either plays like dogshit or only serves a single function but does it in a mediocre way but Cassius and Tressa were SPECIAL>I pretend not to see the other unit buffsDo you hear yourself
>>555260163Makes sense, I loathe Cassius being gutted to only 3 quest completions per turn. It's actively punishing players for using his gimmick.
>>555260282>>Sure all the other 4* either plays like dogshit or only serves a single function but does it in a mediocre way but Cassius and Tressa were SPECIALHow about they buff those 4* units to match Tressa and Cassius then you retarded wanker?
>>555260282I didn't say any of those things. That's how you know you lost and that you have nothing to say for yourself. And I definitely didn't say this one: >I pretend not to see the other unit buffs
>>555260163>scroll down to see more threads>even more doompostinglmao /czn/ is still tame as fuck
>>555260478>powercreep the game to the skyBad idea every time.
>>555260546i think the gooks have completely given up on the game and are just shit doom/posting
>>555260478>he simply thinks the game is too hardHeh.
>>555260478I don't know if that guy is a literal shill or if he came here from the Owen drama once upon a time and now uses this as his shitpost thread where he just adopts the opposite stance of the one that makes sense to normal people in order to get his daily (You)s, but it's definitely one of those 2 things.
What do you think of this Narja deck bros? Also is there a way to print the full deck cause the screenshot is small
>>555259276yeah it was so fun having the exact same cookie cutter ass deck as everyone else in the game. what a fantastic "engine" that consisted entirely of>use healing card>win
>>555260828You plan to use it for Mei Lin or something?
>>555260854>yeah it was so fun having the exact same cookie cutter ass deck as everyone else in the game.That's the entire game, anon. That's what this game is. You're going to be able to meditate at campfires to change your epiphanies and you'll be able to edit your deck soon. Everyone is going to have exactly the same deck anyway. What a retarded thing for you to say.
>>555260163meanwhile this game has the highest score in play store for a recent gachaEndfield is sitting at like 3 something
>>555260828looks good but a lot of narja decks look good, she has no bad cards really
>>555257768>The agony change is effectively the same as it was before>devs halve the agony applied by all shadow daggers>total agony stacks cuts itself by half every ACTIVATIONit that wasnt enough they also did this to cursed gouge, you know, the card that gives extra agony stacks when you applied agony?Can you even imagine the required amount of cards and AP you need to even get past 10 agony stacks at this point?By that point Sereniel with the 2 agony application epiphany on homing lasers would be a better agony applier than the character whose entire gimmick in based on the game's only DoT effect.
>>555261126I think it's pretty high in Japan too, it's just Koreantrannies being, well, trannies. No seriously, they're males but act like women gossiping and shit, stuff I see pretty often in these gacha generals too from SEA posters.
>>555260626every time my assmy game went through 50k dmg 1 hit max to 100k-1m-10m-100m and the current cap right now is 299m but characters can shit out 20+ hits in 1 move. its still going strong 7 years laterpowercreep is the right solution, not nerfing shits down to the ground
Is yuki good now? Mine is still at level 1
>>555261185Stop replying to that guy. I swear he's being retarded on purpose.
>>555261303>my game went through 50k dmg 1 hit max to 100k-1m-10m-100m and the current cap right now is 299m but characters can shit out 20+ hits in 1 move. its still going strong 7 years laterlol Thanks for proving me right.>my gameIf it's a gacha game thanks for proving me right TWICE.
>>555260163why should I care about gooks? they literally aren't even in the top 3 of of paypig charts
>>555261306We don't know, numbers on patch notes on Feb 3. Her partner got buffed quite a bit tho, but I imagine you don't have it.
They really should just give Tressa the old yeller treatment if they are just going to chop off her arms anyways.
>>555261303>powercreep is the right solution, not nerfing shits down to the groundThere's also the fact that TCM was never a problem until the leaderboard happened. The correct solution would be to make it so the 2nd boss does not infinitely respawn. That's the only way to prevent degenerate shit from happening. There is always going to be a retarded way to cheese the modifiers if the boss infinitely respawns instead of actually dying and only allowing a certain number of points. That's when the nolifers have to truly optimize their decks to eek out as many points as they can before they kill the boss.
>>555260828too many cards for a support based deck
They can also do a path where Tressa gets pregnant by (me) and she has to retire.All her mats are refunded and you get her E-levels as 4* free choice currency
>>555261043you didn't read the notes boy. >meditatejust lets you reroll one card one time.it will alleviate grinding a little bit but it's not as if you'll be out there just getting gg decks every run. we also don't know how expensive it will be and you'll at the very least have to pass up a rest event, and it might even go so far as to override the shop event too.>you'll be able to edit your deckyeah lmao using a mystic grade consumable that we have no idea how rare it will be.
>>555261664>There's also the fact that TCM was never a problem until the leaderboard happened.People were already noticing that TCM and Mei Lin could go infinite before that and calling them giga OP thoThe leaderboard just made people tryhard even harder and find out TCM is even more insane than we thought
>>555219038What does chuu mean
>>555219912Unironically Mihomo shit. They started this faggot shit.
>>555261941>TCM is even more insane than we thoughtNo, everyone with a brain already knew TCM was busted even very early in November., maybe even late October I don't quit remember exactly. Retards were still sucking Hugo's knot until the leaderboard happened. Just make the 2nd boss actually be able to be killed and the problem fixes itself without needing to nerf anything.
>>555261931>agrees with and "mansplains" everything I just said back to me, except angrilyI accept your concession.
>>555261614Don't worry, she can still bear my children.
narja blue labia
are they ever going to rework owen? his kit is both boring and seemingly horrible. Does he even have anything going for him?
>>555262694He's meant to be a DPS/sub-shielder but since shields scale off of defense you're pretty much getting nothing every time you pop a card with shield on it. Even Lucas is better than him since his AoE gimmick is much easier to proc.
>>5552626944*s don't need a rework, they should be treated as subhumans
>>555261427the game lived that long because of the inflation. czn will meet its end very soon with their no fun allowed policies
>>555260915No idea but I got a Mei Lin spook so if it’s good for her I’ll mark it>>555261151Nice>>555261784Really? What would you remove? Cause soon we won’t be as restricted
>>555263058I'd rather the game die than take in your retarded ideas, why don't you go back
>>5552630582 more weeks
>>555263058name the game or go away
>>555262694Honestly he should be nerfed. As soon as the give us enough 5* healers to replace Mika and Rei etc they should nerf those 4*s too. No one should ever have any reason to use a 4*, realistically. It should only be 5*s and 5* limiteds. Hopefully they eventually release a "6*" as well that has half the pull rate and costs double the pity and isn't a 50/50 but rather a 25% chance with no guarantee. That's when we can finally play the true CZN.
>>555263217fuck you mean go back when i play czn and my main game has no general on 4chan>>555263316romasaga rs
Cassiusjeets...
>>555262694if smilegate is going to be doing the same kind of stuff in CZN as they are in E7, we can expect a different version of owen that's pretty good in the future>>555263190something like this for a defense based team, all depends on what you want
>>555262504it's not "mansplaining" it's "explaining" because you don't understand what you're talking about
>>555263621my magna support deck is ready
>>555263734>he "mainsplained" my own post back to me>againkek it's kinda funny how unaware of yourself you are. Anyway, for real this time, I accept your concession. No more (You)s. You're too retarded to engage with.
Why are so many people so concerned with buffing and nerfing fucking 4 stars when we still have so many 5 stars with pretty much no viability? >oh no they made it so a free 4 star everyone starts off with isn't the strongest possible unit in the entire game anymoreand not>Can we please do something to make Magna even remotely worth using ever?
CATS!!! time to do a 10 pull!!
>>555263865we all know this is just a cop out because you know you're wrong. people who genuinely believe in what they're saying are never so willing to just give up so quickly. i know i'm right too because you aren't even trying to make a point anymore, you've shifted all of your attention on trying to just get out of the conversation.
magna, haru and owen are the three i could not make an usable deck for, they definitely need buffs
>>555263930They buffed Magna a little bit. We'll have to see. They gave a lot of units a little bit of buffs. That's the good part. The bad part is that the completely gutted 2 characters for the crime of being 4* units. We already know a 5* Tressa is coming eventually, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to sell Cassius back to us as a 5* either. That's the issue. The issue is we know that they have no problem with Tressa or Cassius, it's the fact that they were 4*s.
>>555263504>my game is alive and well>also I'm the only one left on the planet playing itBut in all seriousness "just buff everyone so they can do infinite damage in a turn" (which was what cassius was doing) is not how you are going to keep czn alive.
>>555264065>black catyou're getting 30 Lucas
>>555264065Magna's not a cat she's a dog
I still can't tell if it's literal paid shills, dramafag tourists who don't even play this game, or just plain ol' complete retards who are defending the nerfs.
>>555264327nerfs aren't bad specifically but bricking cassius sucks massive black nuts
>>555263504Anon, in every game buffing everyone just creates cancerous annoying gameplay. In PvP it's absolute cancer, in PvE games it creates where the problem where everyone gets left behind.It's inevitable in CZN too but if they're able to slow it down then good. Sereniel cannot hit the peaks Cassius could hit and they're basing her on the leaderboard that literally said "Sereniel does 5000000% bonus damage".
>>555264414They bricked both Tressa and Cassius though.
>>555264491but after ser arrived, everyone forgot about tressa so it's not that bad of a loss
>>555264439this is concerning
>>555264261>>555264240yeah didn't work
>>555263930seriously I don't give a single fuck about the 4*s I want my 5*s to be actually fucking playable
>>555264460im not asking for buffs, im asking the gooks to trust their original vision and stop nerfing shits. they will fuck something up along the way so just remedy that with powercreep on new characters
>>555264740it took me a surprisingly long amount of time to get that rabbit for some reason
>>555264835"Your" 5* will always be less playable than the currently shilled banner 5* in the leaderboard content, which is the thing that prompted the nerfs. Just give up, anon. They want to sell units, not make a balanced game.
>>555264740Well duh, seeing the cats means all your luck is used up
>>555264918>im asking the gooks to trust their original vision and stop nerfing shitsThese devs had no idea what they were doing. Even the patch notes mention how they were surprised people were getting 500 Morale stacks in one turn with Cassius.And both Cassius and Tressa were problematic for game design because they're morons. They would've invalidated the entire game forever until they made something stronger, a.k.a. powercreep.
>>555265043I don't care about leaderboard shitI just want them to actually feel nice when playing
>>555263621>>555263852>something like this for a defense based team, all depends on what you wantThanks, I'll use that for my Amir later then
>>555264918>im asking the gooks to trust their original vision and stop nerfing shitsThe devs who made the original game are long gone and are no longer working on CZN, and they have not been since launch. Probably since even before launch.
>>555265227Okay good luck with your Magna, bro. She's bad on purpose. Also why the fuck would they buff her into usability when Nine is coming? Just buy Nine, dummy!
stop concerningthis is the final warning
>>555265321Damn, really? Can you post the source on that?
>>555220057>outside of pvp games where one character or gun or build or something is far and away the most powerful and the nerf benefits everyoneTressa/Cassius were far and away the most powerful core in the game.
>wake up>enter the wage cage>end your shift>check up the dev notesHOLY FUCK YUKI BUFFS
>>555266072who the hell is westma?
her name is hot wheels
>>555266072Westmacott Westmastonks on the rise
>>555261185>total agony stack cuts itself by half every activationOk? It's still at the end of the turn just like current agony, what are you even trying to imply?>current agony: have 12 debuffs of 2 agony (24 total agony). End of turn each agony stack is reduced by one leaving you with 12 debuffs of 1 agony (effectively subtracting your total agony in half, 12 agony). Next turn, each agony stack is reduced by one again, leaving you with nothing.>New agony: have 20 agony, end of turn it halves itself leaving you with 10, then end of turn it halves again leaving you with 5, then it halves again leaving you with 3 (provided it rounds up), then 2, then 1, then 0.From the looks of it, the way the new agony system works actually gives you more consistent agony damage per turn in arguably a shorter amount of time per turn because the agony is only halved.
>>555266072cost 2 is fucking crazy why did i not pull for her
>>555267773You can get her from the shop with the purple DNA
>>555267773She is still in the DNA shop. Also back then it was a 3 cost to return and draw a card. Basically just to activate a bricked card in Yuki's hand.The pink hair partner instead gave you a +1 draw. Westmacott sucked on release.
Rin got more buffs than Haru and she's already way better than her, let that sink in
>>555256806Npc?
Be real with me, am I going to regret playing the game without Serenial? Would I really have to wait a whole year to get her again? Does she make the game that much more fun to play?
>>555252916I still need a weekly boss farm slave.
>>555268404>am I going to regret playing the game without SerenialSerenielprobably not no>Does she make the game that much more fun to play?she makes it less fun to play and shouöld be removed, unironicallyher playstyle is aids
The Tressa and Cassius changes will not go live
>>555268404I'm sure next season will specifically cockblock Sereniel somehow in favor of the new limited.
>>555268708>she makes it less fun to play and shouöld be removed, unironically>her playstyle is aidsHow so? Who would you say are the most fun to play?
>>555268404sereniel is REALLY good right now but we don't know what will happen for season 2... if you have mei lin and veronica, you can do everything without an issuefor basin:one team: mei lin, veronica, reisecond team: beryl, khalipe, orlea/mika/niafor screaming tower:i won every single level with beryl, khalipe and rei team
>>555268404After the changes she will be the best unit in the game, however nowhere necessary to clear content
>>555268829don't do it bro, murder is wrong
>>555268829Honestly feel bad, I really like Tressa and she's super cute
>>555268404if you dont have sereniel, you're bricked. sorry bro, come back next year
>>555269254You have a spare account I can borrow right? I don't want to buy from some random account stealer from thailand.
The buffs to weaker characters should have been better. Some of them didn't even get any like Kayron and Rin's were trash.
>>555269395Pretty sure he's trolling. All Sereniel will do for a new player is make the early game progression a cakewalk. The content we have is still clearable by release units even today.
>>555255380>She doesn't heal stressHow do you deal with stress if you are using her then? Do you need to use two healers?
>>555269737kill enemies before they can overrun youbut honestly, if you're not a retard, you can do it no problem
>>555269795So what exactly does narja bring to the party that is unique or useful? Sorry for asking dumb questions but I'm trying to find the motivation to play.
>>555269737i just have them break, i thought that was normal
>>555269926predation effect (if i'm not wrong, it's a 20% bonus dmg?)healing is good when you're in a battle where stress doesn't matter (everywhere else that isn't chaos)she buffs your basic attacks (for mei lin) or your defense dmg (for vanguards)she can decrease the cost of cardsshe is pretty good but not like necessary for anything
>>555269926Not much. If you didn't like czn before Narja, you won't like it after
Tressa paid for Cassius's sinsthis is 100% unfair to Tressa
>>555270507It's just her bad luck at work.
>>555269926Damage buffs through stackable Voracity/PredationIncredible passive healingAP cost reductionsGreat single target and AoE damageMultiple support paths (tenacity, defense, basics)Basically, Narja is trash and you should think for yourself retard.
>>555270405I don't know if I like the game I'm still rerolling. But the constant negativity about the game in general and narja has started to drain my motivation.
>>555269926narja is so fucking bad bro, dont bother
>>555270817I recommend playing where winds meet
>>555269926She unbricks defense-based damage. That alone makes her interesting.
>>555269737>How do you deal with stress if you are using her then?Spam campfires or just kill them in 1-2 turns
>>555270817>the constant negativity about the game in generalthis is the doomposting general
>>555270817>the constant negativity about the game in generalGetting swayed by this general of all places is definitely a start. Is this your first gacha newcutie?
>>555270817Don't listen to the doomers. We have doomers complaining about both too much and too little content. We have doomers complaining about too much and too little RNG. They're all retarded.Narja is fine but not game-breaking. She seems like a support for a character that hasn't released yet... I wouldn't be surprised if she's BiS for one of the S2 characters.
>>555270817>the constant negativity about the game in generalseveral shitposters self admitted to it multiple times, they just recycle the same arguments no stop for some epic agenda
>>555270817>the constant negativity about the game in generalthe type of dumb nigga that listens to everything on fox news, but you do you.
>>555271567>the /pol/tard is backGood grief, dev notes summoned a lot of shitposters
>>555270817Doom!
>>555269737You go to campfires if you are allowed to (some modifiers disable campfires)If not, you just mindbreak. Narja and Sereniel are powerful enough that it's not a big deal at all.
>they’re listening to the doomjeetsVery concerning.
>>555270817This game is shit stop playing it. (You) should listen to me.
does Narja make Magna useable or is Magna really that shit
>>555270817If you're using 4chanx, the [-] is free.
>>555272135
>>555272139The game is still all about killing shit quickly, especially with some of the modifiers you can get on Chaos. If the enemy is stacking Morale and if you have 50% reduced Max HP, shields and counters aren't going to save you unless they got giga buffed, we still don't have actual numbers on the buffs for them. We just know that shields got buffed and that counters got buffed if you full shield the attack. I doubt they are buffed enough to withstand high tier Chaos attacks and deal meaningful damage in return, or if the shields are even good enough to full shield the attacks in the first place.
been thinking about Beryl and how she'd be perfect for breeding, so I prompted this.https://files.catbox.moe/ekroxg.png
>>555272139The only thing I can tell you is:pray for the Magna and counter buffs to be good.
>>555272139https://files.catbox.moe/7amnjf.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/ihvpvl.mp4best i could do
First 5 star since I started rerolling. She's kind of cute, not a big fan of the spats though. Also noticed they took away some sort of reward, I used to be able to do two ten rolls right away. Now I have to click on every single achievement and hint reward to get enough to do a second roll which is a little annoying. The second roll gave me a mountain of furries. It's all I see honestly. Can't believe how furry forward the game is even though people only talk about the girls.
>>555272745Most furries are in 3* partner jail
>not waiting til half anni to rerollbased retard
>>555272745she is the best you can get, you can stop now
>remove Tressa's dagger heal spam and Cassius synergy Okay sure>gut agony application, cap max agony, remove some other good epiphanies tooFor what purpose? She's not even worth using as a sub DPS now
>>555272995For real? She's good? What does she do?
>>555272745Very nice pick up, you could start playing if you want.
>>555269926this
>>555270817Bro you are on /vg/ what the fuck did you expect, if you wanted to see real gameplay talk and enjoyment of the game then you missed out when the game released, this general was quite the shock even for me
>>555272745>Can't believe how furry forward the game is? there's only 3 and one of them is literally just a rabbit so idk if that counts as a "furry"
>>555273102But I can't defeat enemies with my boner.
>>555273063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpBsBtBw1A this is still pretty much not nerfed
>>555273063She's not the bestest (that's Sereniel) but she's among the top damage dealers.Event and special bosses even have limitations to prevent her from nuking themShe really shines if you also have Veronica tho
>m*i linyou did not beat the game
>>555273063yes she is one of the top 3 DPS probably?
>>555273063Mei Lin moves the cards for her combos. Before Sereniel, she was considered the strongest DPS in the game with little competition and said competition needing to have farmed really good decks or needing a lot of investment.
Beryl nerfs waiting room
>>555272745>Also noticed they took away some sort of reward, I used to be able to do two ten rolls right away. Now I have to click on every single achievement and hint reward to get enough to do a second roll which is a little annoying.Shortly after the game released, you used to be able to get 90 pulls. I believe it was 60 standard banner and 30 "Limited" banner. They also no longer give out the free Amir. >Can't believe how furry forward the game is even though people only talk about the girls.Those are all "Partners" (i.e. "weapons")
>>555273305https://x.com/onetwomoonthis guy has so much cute art
>>555274180>you used to be able to get 90 pullsHoly fuck, I'm rolling for scraps. Had no idea it started out that generous. Damn really wish I had heard about this game sooner. I think this anon might be right >>555272951, I'm probably wasting my time. How long until half anni comes around?
>>555274512you will get a million times more if you play till thenit's not even 100 days
>>555270817only doomniggers are here, you should check other places or at least see for yourself how the game plays like
>>555274512By the time half anni rolls around, you'd have way more than 90 pulls, surely we're not this retarded?
>>555274512>Holy fuck, I'm rolling for scraps.You are REROLLING for scraps, yes. >Had no idea it started out that generous. It didn't. It was apologibs for the game sucking. The story was trash that 30% cheaper nigger cocks in Dawei (the director) had completely rewritten shortly before release. Everyone got jebaited. It was supposed to be grimdark time rewind shit and instead we go Slice of Life homoverse trash. He said "sorry I fucked the game up for my own personal fanfiction" and gave out a lot of apologibs. They also gave us a Limited unit after saying there wouldn't be any Limiteds. We still don't really know how "generous" the game actually is and we only just now ran out of apologibs. Or rather, they stopped giving out apologibs. I don't think anyone knows what the actual economy is like.
>>555274512You can just ignore that last guy.
>>555274752>>555274676Technically true but it feels bad starting with almost nothing especially when you find out everyone else started out with a mountain of resources. Comparison is the thief of joy... It's ok, I get some pleasure out of beating the system and getting good rerolls. If I stop having fun doing it I'll just move on but I'm not ready to give up yet. But single instance rerolling with this few rolls is too painful. I'm going to fire up the emulator and multi roll this shit now that I know what an uphill battle I'm against. Yes I'm retarded, you don't have to remind me.
>telling the newretard to play RIGHT NOW when the game has 50/50rofl
>>555272413ZAMN, the backshot is perfect. Pink nipples would be better.
>>555274512Don't worry, all us launchfags rerolled for garbage characters anyway, because nobody knew what endgame would look like.If you want the best start, you really need to buy a Sereniel account. Otherwise just pick up Mei Lin or Veronica and get the other one from the selector. That's really all you need for now.
>>555275353??? mei lin is the best you can get
>30% cheaper nigger cocks in Dawei guy is hereit's like the ninja turtles man
>>555275873I've never left.
>>555268404I use my old Mei Lin deck that I farmed at the start of the season to clear Tower. It's not even optimal and it'll be easier to farm save data next season.Sereniel is definitely amazing in Chaos, but you don't need her to get the good rewards.
>>555275353>Gets Mei Lin>Fuck, I should've waited until half anniversarylol
>>555268404>Be real with me, am I going to regret playing the game without Serenial?You can regret it if you don't know what it's like. She's pretty easy mode for Chaos though. Even her most bricked deck with the worst RNG is still very good in Chaos.
your answer?
sereniel "my team will have 11ap this turn" senmetsu
>>555268404Sereniel was an overcorrection, for the pretty underwhelming limiteds they released, and also a break glass in case of emergency character because players were angry. So they made her really busted but also made her a true limited because of it. Honestly she's everything that's wrong with the games current direction and a sign that the rewrite is just gonna make the game a generic fanservice story
>>555277865Maybe they will go the other direction and make it an actual horror story like the loading screen shows.
>>555277865>Limiteds
>>555268404Sereniel makes the game less fun to play actually, because she rapes everything in 1/2 turns.But she might not be future proof, it's really easy to make her bad: remove stam bars, or restriction on moving cards
>>555278234>Sereniel makes the game less fun to play
>>555276827Sex for the purpose of procreation
>>555278234You control the buttons you press.
>tfw CassiusletI'm really looking forward to all the buffs
Ever since I rolled Sereniel, she pins me down and rapes me whenever I want to do any content, forcing me to use her everywhere… It really ruins the fun since I’m literally not allowed to use any other teams…
>>555279373You like it
>>555279373brutal
>>555279373I have been forced to set her as my home screen and now I can't focus on work, she is literally ruining my life...
*cough* bread doko *cough*
>>555279373Deserved for swinging that massive cannon in public
I shall be baking with this as the OP image >>555218992
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