Sorry guys i betrayed and was playing StS2 instead of a roguelike so the thread croaked.

I got too busy writting achra fanfic, my bad bros

Sorry dudes, I got arrested by the British Crown for playing Elona+ yesterday so I haven't been able to bump the thread

Is DCSS 0.34 good or should I play an old version, noob here

>>559835529
Play trunk like a man and accept nucrawl in all it's glory.

Too ill to play.

>>559826246
When I eventually get bored of Achra and switch over to Brogue, I will be using the official tiles. I wonder if that will make the liberals in here mad.

>>559836014
And wht makes it "nucrawl", did the devs fuck something up

>>559837682
The nature of removal is to cleanse both fuckups and unfuckedup stuff.

One, nothing wrong with me

Two, two, two for my family

Sorry for the lack of Achra blogging. I've gotten my ass kicked like 3 runs in a row.

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Tips for playing octopedes? Ever since this run where my human found four rings in three floors i've been cursing my lack of arms so i want to be able to survive long enorme as an octopath until i myself in jewelry

Why are defense mechanics in Achra such a joke? I have 75% resistance (maxed out) to lightning, but lightning mages still slice through me like swiss cheese from 20 tiles away.

>>559837682
0.34 has doom so it is anti-melee as fuck, but it's a great version if you want to load in a deep elf caster and rush level 9 spells.

>>559858162
Have you looked at their abilities?

>>559826246
What does /rlg/ think of Brogue CE (the community edition) compared to vanilla?

>>559858162
Zap, zap, motherfucker.

Fuck my headache

>>559859375
I asked in the last thread and no one cared. The major differences do seem to be qol things and bug fixes as opposed to difficulty changes so I went with CE.
https://github.com/tmewett/BrogueCE/wiki/Changes-from-original

>>559826246
Uhhhh what happened to the elin thread on jp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffF0e2h4TU
Roguelikes for this feel?

Are hordes still visible on the map in CDDA?

>>559870586
And what happened to the dwarf fortress thread on /tg/?

>>559873562
How is Dwarf Fortress even remotely /tg/? I could understand shit like a Master Duel thread because it's a simulation of the YGO card game.

>>559873680
It was a comfy version of this thread. Less angsty faggots.

Granted, /tg/ was different almost a decade ago before the quest threads started getting spammed everywhere and the mods had to shit on the board for it.

>>559837682
Dungeon crawl is the kind of roguelike where for every step forward, the devs make two step backward. Ie change the random rng shaft mechanic with a semi random doom mechanic that seem way too eager to fuck you over in worse ways. I mean I've hit more -3 layers shaft since .34 than I did playing crawl for years, its just stupid. I mean it isnt even fun or challenging, it just feel like a definitive run ender with extra steps the majority of the time and you just rush for upstair to survive.

>>559856482
You have +4 stealth aptitude for a reason, you should always invest a lot and straight away. No AC means there are just fights you can't win so being able to avoid them entirely is useful. You also need to invest in a shield as soon as you get one and dodging too. Species with weak defence need to invest more.

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Is it truly an end of an era?

>>559888238
???

>>559897495
Last thread was 404'd before bump limit, and this thread was one thread away from being pruned before that post at a measly 30 posts in.

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>>559897893
oh lmao
the end of that era was around '18

dumbass

dragon
dragonlike

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my best guy is still this goblin after all these hours. am I fucking up somewhere? the legendary humanoids are kinda crap

>>559902169
what the hell is this?

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>>559902604
keeperRL
it is arguably a roguelike

>>559903070
cool
he's beating out all the new stuff because of the scaling/leveling/veterancy mechanics? that's interesting, maybe the new guys need some TLC before they get jacked too

>>559903070
which part is not roguelike

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>slaves technically aren't a part of your faction so you can use them to build in hostile areas safely
they didn't really think that through but I'll take it
>>559905414
when you aren't directly controlling a character/team, turns pass automatically

I think I'm back on my fuck Achra arc. The RNG is too fucking obnoxious not to have some sort of item system.
>playing an all life horde spam character
>get all the way to the mid boss flawlessly
>spawn 1 tile away from the boss
>die
Bravo game. I truly feel outplayed.

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This vibecoding shit is hard bros

>>559907420
Are you doing an engine from scratch? Pretty sure there's a pre-built engine that the majority of RL devs already use.

>>559908398
I am using unity since it's free and I don't know what I'm doing, I borrowed most of a bsp algorithm from google and made some shitty tiles in paint.

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>>559909001
>be anon
>don't know what you're doing
>have a machine do all the work
>get a buggy mess that it can't fix
>can't fix it yourself because you don't know how
>when it's all over, you still haven't learned what you're doing
Great use of your limited time on Earth, amigo

Yeah I think I have some brain tumor (real)
I'm gonna die soon and this thread will go with me since nobody else will bump it
It has been a roguelike life

>>559912215
I'm supposed to make an engine from scratch for this? That doesn't sound right at all.

>>559913037
Who said that? There are pre-existing dedicated roguelike engines, like >>559908398
said

>>559913336
Then I don't get what annoyed you. I'm writing most of it myself, I have to write python for work. When I said I don't know what Im doing I meant that's why I picked unity.

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>>559912645
thank god

>>559913512
Oh I'm just responding to the "this vibecoding shit is hard" comment, and why would I be annoyed? It's not my project, that's going great..

>>559913654
Oh you're one of the anti ai people, explains it. Don't you use AI tools at work for things?

>>559913804
>anti-ai people
I just think it's hilarious how much work people will put in just to avoid learning to do things. And my experience with AI tools is that they're like hiring an acid-dropping retard who can usually spit out the most basic code monkey shit but still needs to be minded constantly lest he start hallucinating functions and forgetting what language or framework he's coding for, so he's actually a net drag on the project's time. Potentially useful in very specific situations, but not even close to living up to the hype.

>>559914513
You're literally frothing at the mouth.

>>559914818
Ok, so you're retarded. But I guess we knew that already

yeah 100% it's brain cancer like
Roguelikes that I can complete within the few days I have left?

none
fuck off
nobody cares

This is probably a really dumb question, but what roguelike protagonist do you think is the strongest by the end (victory/ascension) of their games ? I think the player character from Nethack would probably rank high for ascending into a demigod.

>>559916221
My elona character sexes gods

>>559870637
I dunno, but Heart of Storm is the better LH song IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTLrxjIkONY

>>559917430
Just because you fucked the president doesn't mean you have the power to launch the nukes. You're still just a 14 year old girl

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>>559917430
Built for glurp shitto cock

>>559912645
thank God
>>559916221
a Zigg clearing Dungeon Crawl protag is kind of ridiculous
same with endgame *band characters

>>559912645
Do you want your possessions identified?

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Imagine living in some tribe where every woman looked like Kitana from mortal kombat

>>559916221
I doubt the usual fantasy rl protag has the firepower and speed to match an endgame Cogmind mech

>>559921061
I don't think there's anything to suggest that dcss protags could kill the gods in their setting.

>>559924027
a 15 rune game will kill at least nine gods, one of whom is a major diety

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>>559916221
>immune to all elements and explosions
>can breath underwater
>can fly
>has telekinesis
>has Invisibility
>has short range wallhacks
>can travel between parallels dimensions
>can move celestial bodies
>can create any wand to fuck up any type of opponent
>somehow if you kill him he can come back multiple times
They all kneel to Mina. Bro could probably beat Goku.

>>559916221
>demigod
More than that, the Nethack protag becomes the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse, War and incites a war in heaven with his arrival, as whoever gets the amulet will be set above all the other gods.

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Godlike item roll

>spent hours looking for someone to join my camp in cdda
>found nobody
it's a fucking wasteland out there, where are the other survivors?
i did find one guy, he wanted to burn down a pizza place but the quest glitched out and he wasn't recruitable

>>559924294
Pan/Hell Lords aren't gods and Jiyva has one (1) worshipper

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I think I'm done with Achra for now. 7 32 Cycle wins proves I've beaten the game legit plenty. I'm sick of the slot machine rugpull nature of the game. I might as well just re-install Mahjong Soul if I have a craving for luck with a hint of skill style gameplay.

>>559931874
I feel you, my poison/plague guy got shreked the other day due to RNG putting the King about two or maybe it was three steps away. Close enough so my summons couldn't block his path in time and he was on top of me before I could apply enough stacks to kill him. I had his health down by 1/3 when he splatted me, if he had been just one or two tiles further away I would have had time to wreck him, or if I hadn't spawned in a corner I could have run away until summons gave me breathing room.

Pretty frustrating. I'll probably go back to Nethack, it rewards skill a lot more.

>>559931874
>he struggled

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>wondering why my walls weren't providing luxury bonuses
>i built the outdoor walls instead of reinforced dungeon walls
>if I tear it all down the cost to build is not refunded
goddammit.

haven't played cata since 0.H came out what shit have they raped since then? I heard about psycopath and cannibal being removed.

>>559937647
Fuck DDA, play BN

>>559938439
does BN have the refugee center with the gay muslim woman welder?

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Thanks Kevin

>>559938585
Inherited from DDA. Is she gay? I thought the one dude was gay, not the welder chick

>>559938816
lame. idk she probably is. shit should just be deleted because its unfinished and never will be.
I remember playing a save for dozens of hours and drilling down into the refugee center "vault" and finding it was nothing but stone. stopped giving a fuck about any "story" content in cata since.

>>559931874
>slot machine rugpull nature
I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to win Achra 100% of the time with one of the top tier builds. It seems less randomized than DCSS to me. Of course there are bad combos that can occasionally put you in unwinnable situations, but there are other roguelikes where not all games are winnable.

>>559943324
Some prestiges are just actively bad/harmful

>>559943324
DCSS is infinitely more skill based because of items. You always are given enough tools to get out of fucked up situations. Achra is like playing a perpetually confused, berserked, MuMo who worships the troll god.

>>559943664
Yeah, if I had to guess there are probably like ~10 prestiges that are only there for the people who like to experiment with suboptimal setups for novelty and challenge. Of course we probably couldn't all agree if we tried to make a list of those bad prestiges.

>>559944851
>You always are given enough tools to get out of fucked up situations.
You aren't always given enough tools, though. You can start a game as an Octopode and run into a halberd gnoll on D1 as your first enemy. The only place you can run away is back out the dungeon. I think the general consensus is that the game gets more skill based the further into the run you get, whereas even great players can occasionally splat on D1-3 for no fault of their own.

>>559945242
Is this nu-crawl logic? Or maybe playing meme races/ builds only? I'm literally the most horrible Crawl player ever and I never die that early in the run.

>>559945242
octopode has high natural stealth and swims

How to fix Achra:
1. Show what the mid game and end game boss are on the overworld so players can plan accordingly like StS does.
2. Introduce some kind of item system

>>559946392
I'd add: add some more gameplay outside picking builds and spells and items, once you're on the floor you've done 90% of the gameplay decisions

>>559946392
>1. Show what the mid game and end game boss are on the overworld so players can plan accordingly
I would be in favor of that sort of change too, but the actual high skill play is to be prepared for all 4 possible kings. That usually means leaving some skill points unspent and only picking 2 schools, so that you can dump points into whichever school helps beat the King once you know which one you're facing. Like if it's the Death King and you're an attack build, you might be forced to pick Master Doom because you're going to get 5000 stacks of Doom from attacking his Doom Skin. Leaving that 3rd school open is the best way to reduce RNG. Alternatively just play a build OP enough that you can kill him instantly, but most builds aren't OP enough to ignore the mechanics like that.

>>559946392
StS only allows you to see in advance 1/3 of the game, and in ascension 20 you more or less have to build your deck around every possible Act 3 boss since double boss means it's more likely you meet a boss than not.

Wait, isn't Rift Wizard just a more serious version of Achra?

>>559966873
How so?

>>559966976
>>559966976
>has complex builds
>also has items
>also has strategic gameplay
>also lets you choose your spawn point on dungeon entrance
Seems like Achra minus the flaws.

>>559967430
3/4 of those are inherently false

>>559969340
>>559967430
Let me elaborate before i sleep
>Complex builds
No
>items
Yeah
>Can choose spawn
Lolno, you mean realm?
>strategic gameplay
I wouldnt exactly call achra a high IQ game

Games with traps that don't involve pressing 1 button to find them every tile?

>>559970642
Nethack if you know what you're doing

>>559969478
Sleepy anon is confuse

>>559969478
sleepy?
cuck

>>559939312
>not just using a clairvoyance artifact to look

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>>559924751
no(i)t a roguelike

>>559979942
Why doth the noit go barefoot into the dungeon? Is she stupid?

>>559980037
The levitation power comes from the feet, so it would push off your shoes and socks if you were wearing any.

>>559946392
It's fine how it is.
If you are going to build around one strat, you better make sure it's ironclad or just deal with the consequences.

Imagine noita but she's in a real roguelike (with sex and rape)

>>559966873
Rift Wizard is similar to Achra in that it has a lot of chaining effects and gimmicky builds to experiment with. I would say the tactical choices inside a level of Rift Wizard are much more interesting than Achra. You have a much larger variety of options at any given time in Rift Wizard because it has activatable items and no limit on your number of spells.

The problem is that the build making in Rift Wizard gets constrained because on 95% of builds you HAVE to take a blink spell, you HAVE to take the chain reaction package (Prince of Ruin, Starfire, Cracklevoid), and you HAVE to take Word of Chaos. If you try to play without the usual crutches then you're usually just being suboptimal. Basically half of your skill points are already decided before you even pick your build. Achra doesn't have so many no-brainer choices because it limits you to 3 schools, whereas in Rift Wizard you get all the schools of magic, and you should really take the good shit from all of them whenever they're relevant.

>>559981912
>(with sex and rape)
I'm sure there's mods for that
There's always mods for that

Qamar sex when?

>>559990103
Has rlg finally got it's waifus?

>>559995954
Who?

>>559916221
I'm inclined to say that Caves of Qud protagonist is the strongest no matter what, simply because of precognition and sphynx salt injectors.
He's the only rogueliker with canon ability to savescum. Doesn't get any stronger than that.

Tome4 protag is the strongest because it could legally corrupt your save file (the equivalence of shattering an entire universe from within)

>>560000037
Do elaborate, i like reading this kind of stuff (why it happens,etc)

>>560006182
The game has multiple "time traveling" abilities, which basically copies your save file, then mucks with it when you die or when you activate an ability. But like 99% of stuff in tome4 it's highly unmaintained so it might work 9 out of 10 times and the other time it corrupts your save.
Also the game has several "infinite" dungeons like the monster portal in sher'tul or the infinite dungeon mode, and unfortunately whenever you generate a new floor the dev never bothers to clean up old ones so the save file keeps building up. Some data structures in the game more or less just breaks down past a "small" number of floors (like 50). So much for infinite.

>>560006868
Interesting, gonna check if there is an wiki article or something becsuse i am a nerd when it comes to save corruption and shit

>>559902169
shoulda leveled your keeper as much as you can. and capture high level ranged enemies like elven archers.
didn't get much out of the regular dudes myself, would need to micromanage so much to keep them alive for them to level up meaningfully high, and that would take ages because it's so fucking slow. so mostly it was just keeper killing everything with archers supporting and the rest being meat shields. werewolves were okay I guess.

>>559983406
You WILL take batform
You WILL take starcult
You WILL take master repulsion

>>560013645
You're limited to 3 schools, bro. Even if some of the Achra abilities are OP, you just can't take them every game. In Rift Wizard you can take Word of Chaos and Prince of Ruin every game. That's the distinction I'm getting at. The game doesn't even really function as a roguelike with randomized experiences until you start doing trials. Improvisor is my preferred way to play RW2 nowadays for that exact reason.

wtf when did DCSS remove food?

>>560025452
They just replaced it with the zot clock so something can still punish a player for wasting turns without progress but now it's not a random factor of if you find enough food. Definitely part of the speedrun bias of current DCSS design though.

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>reading the official CDDA lore documents
>constant emphasis about how robots and bionics are LE UNREALISTIC and must be removed from all lore going forward
>extremely autistic in depth insistence on using specific real life scientific concepts to explain fictional technology like portal shit
>retarded nods to fucking Reddit and snide remarks about Blonald Blumpf and his disinformation campaigns making the Cataclysm worse
why are trannies like this?

>>559938593
IMO they do need some degree of nerfing, but I'd just give them a fat accuracy debuff or something when swinging across z levels
>get literally any reach weapon
>piss off a ton of zombies
>climb up a drain pipe
>hold tab for like 20 seconds
>there is now 35 dead zombies below me and my weapon is maybe a bit banged up

>>559983406
>>560017603
For Achra it's astrohunting, crystalform, sometimes astrostoicism (depending on the build), and one of the gods that gives you infinity prayers or a god that buffs your HP/ weapon.

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https://github.com/cataclysmbn/Cataclysm-BN/pull/8252

>>560030750
>reality bubble size up to 16
>current is the equivalent of 4
>says 16 doesn't even fit on screen
does this imply the current reality bubble is smaller than a fully zoomed out view?

>>560032371
not sure what he means by that, IIRC player sight range with a normal 8 perception is 60x60 tiles and the reality bubble is 275x725 tiles and 5 z levels total (current, +1, +2, -1, -2)

>>560033275
*275x275, not 725 lol

Trying to play frogcomposband 7.2 downloaded at https://github.com/Gliktch/frogcomposband/releases

Unzipping the frogcomposband-v7.2.pulla-windows-x86_64.zip and running the exe results in the brief appearance of a white window plus the cursor goes into circle mode for a couple seconds then nothing happens.

Can anyone confirm if the executable works (or doesn't work) so I'll know what to tell the dev?

The dungeon collapses!

keeperrl is a bit more shallow than I'd like. I'll try and get one "finished" run in and move on to something else. Cogmind maybe.

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How painful it is to learn to play cataclysm if i have never touched a roguelike?

>>560052874
Like punching yourself in the balls. It doesn't change no matter how much you play it though.

>>560052874
Not that hard, really.

>>560052874
don't worry, it's not a roguelike either.

>>560054251
What do you mean?

>>560054370
The Berlin interpretation didn't mention car travel.

>>560054370
It's kind of a meme, but in DDA at least there's no end goal, which is a major requirement to some people's minds.

Bright Nights has a win condition where you can close the main portal and stop the bad shit from coming over, so that criticism doesn't apply to it.

>>560054448
Minecraft Hardcore mode is likely a roguelike under the Berlin Interpretation

>>560054370
the entire devteam, the github, the documentation and everyone playing it does not even recognize the game as a roguelike but as a world simulator/sandbox

because it is

>>560055883
Whales called it a roguelike

>>560055971
Whales made cataclysm 15 years ago, by this account diablo is a roguelike because it's a fork of moria
get a grip you weirdo

Dragon Warrior Monsters is a Roguelike. Seethe libtards.

>>560056129
How is it not a roguelike? Be specific, please

The Treasure Map system in DQ9 is a roguelike

>>560055883
>the entire devteam, the github, the documentation and everyone playing it does not even recognize the game as a roguelike
Why are you lying?
https://github.com/cataclysmbn/Cataclysm-BN/blob/4b86efecb861b4bffaf138cd060b99a29d2e3142/README.md?plain=1#L17
>Cataclysm: Bright Nights is a roguelike with sci-fi elements set in a post-apocalyptic world.

>>560052874
Pretty hard, but it was my first and I'm retarded, so it's not impossible. BN is easier to learn.

>>560057514
>Cataclysm: Bright Nights
oh, you silly billy
I'm talking about DDA
carry on

roguelikes need lootboxes, magic the gathering cards and labubus

>>560060408
It's a shame the wizardry gacha game is shit.

>>560060479
You don't like gollum fighting teenage mutant ninja turtles? What are you some kind of snowflakes?

>>560059287
>talking about DDA
WHY

>>560060653
Wasn't Wizardy full of joke monsters and puns and shit in the 80s? I know the nips didn't catch much of it, but it was there.

>>560061321
I misunderstood "Wizadry gacha game" as magic the gathering (yes it's about teenage mutant ninja turtles now)

ok it wasn't brain tumor it was the aircon
I'll use fanlikes from now on

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It's been a minute since I posted a W. Look at this goofy ass build with a meme tier god.

>>560071395
Out of my 8 C32 runs, 3 were wormcucks, and 3 were koszcels. I'm trying to keep my builds as varied as possible, but the game forces my hand...

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>>560071395
Another one. No Worm or Khazer milkers this time either.

>>560078621
I always wonder why Crystalform has a different color than the other Ice skills.

>>560071395
>carried by koszmar
>>560078621
>carried by crystalform

When are you gonna play a real man's melee build?

>>560081738
My last "melee" build was a nomad chucking spears behind infinity ball lightnings. If that doesnt't count, my last range 1 meleer was a naked teleporting ape on like cycle 30.

>>560072680
>"Haha, couldn't be me"
>Check Maqbara
>Wormcels, Koszcels, SecuCucks and ValrEreshLets as far as the eye can see

Fuuuuuck man
In all fairness I know DruidNinhurCult and Anqarak/Horrorform shit blasts from the climb to 32 in the first place.

>>559981912
Wish I was cumming in a goth baddie with a cnc fetish rn

Cataclysm isn't a roguelike the same way not cumming inside means you're still a virgin

>>559981912
Rift Wizard is Mina if she trve rogvelike.

>>560026936
Doesn't this objectively say that people who don't believe snopes or use reddit are in the right since they don't believe the faked video and correctly understood it's a real mi-go?

>>560033275
player sight range is 121x121 or so, you can see 60 tiles on either side of you
but it's been a while since I've counted

>>560055883
The dev team recognizes Balatro as a roguelike. Just how much is author intent worth, compared to the actual contents of the game?

>>560086347
Yes, but in the same way that a fictional universe where aliens built the pyramids and the Earth is 6,000 years old would "mean people who don't believe snopes" are right

They're right in that universe, where the fantastical and supernatural exist purely because the writers said so.

If I write a loredump where videos of Deep Ones are written off as AI fakes that doesn't mean you should start believing every video you see about Cthulhu and Hyperborean White Boys

>>560052874
it might be better to pick up a much more basic roguelike first so you can get the fact that using diagonals is required drilled into your head, but the hard part of cataclysm is the crafting and item system so it doesn't really matter

>>560087498
Better turn off that fucking diagonal distance simulation fag shit too.

>>560087859
amen brother, squarelos forever

>>560089164
Oh, no, I actually hate the squarelos
I just also don't like the way it interacts with reach and time

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>>560081738
Here's your melee build bro. Say something nice about it.

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>>560081738

I remember the squarelos vs circlelos wars of the early 2010s...
a better time
>>560089998
the diagonal distance shit and squarelos are intrinsically linked, they're the same thing

>>560093240
No, no, I know that
I know that the LOS "shape" changes based on if you're calculating diagonal distance with math or as 1

I like the round shape LOS. I don't like the range interactions, mechanically. I like the IDEA of the range calcs, but I much prefer to PLAY where diagonal is the same as cardinal

I'm a barbielike in a barbielikeworld

One must imagine Mina happy

>>560103837
The gods favor those who sacrifice all in the name of knowledge.

>>560104593
gods are pricks fuck them

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Trannyclysm is a tranny game now? wtf?

>>560107060
>now

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Oh nyoh

>>560108549
Ouch.

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>>560107539
Always was

i will get raped by mina

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Shame, but I don't really have an outfit for it.

>>560108549
>dying to THIS boss
Shameful display.

>>560108549
>LGBTQ flag color monster
>TRANS-fix you
Uh ... Achra confirmed a roguelike

>>560118218
Gomen

>>560131750
can trans people pay with that 20 pound bill or does jk rowdy burn them when they handle it

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lol. Ok that's seriously gonna be my last Worm run forever...
....Until I run into another summonslop prestige that doesn't give me a convenient way into specing ball lightning, or stepping a lot. I'll just avoid all of them for a long time I guess.

Today I learned that Angra from Achra is named after Zoroastrian Satan. I sort of thought it was just a "lmao he angry" kind of deal.

>>560134651
Most of the god names are taken from mythology or history. A bunch of the prestige classes too.

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>>560087028
NTA but the way that you write in a roundabout manner is so confusing that I genuinely can't tell what you are actually saying or if it even has anything to do with the post you are replying to.

>>560134651
>>560135871
Achra itself is named after Jewish mystical shit.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/361900/jewish/Kelipot-and-Sitra-Achra.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qlippoth
>The realm of evil is called Sitra Achra (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: סִטְרָא אַחְרָא, romanized: siṭrā ʾaḥrā, lit.'the Other Side') in Kabbalistic texts.

>>560136362
Thanks for the (you)
I'm concerned that if I call anon a little chudlet conspiracy theorist trying to justify his "I was right all along" extremist viewpoints on an internet forum he'll be upset.

I think it's pretty clear to anyone with a working brain that "if aliens existed, ignoring Snopes would be based and smart and cool" is a retarded cope. "IF" they existed, yeah.
Dumbass.
They fuckin don't, obviously.
This is a game about not just the improbable but utterly impossible.

It's not "saying anything" at all, no matter how desperate you are to own the redditfags and snopes readers.

>>560107060
>you need tinder to light almost anything on fire

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>>560138089
meds

>>560139370
nah, he's right, even if he's sperging hard

>>560139453
How can you tell he's right if nothing he is saying makes any coherent sense at all?

>>560138089
>They fuckin don't, obviously.
Prove it inb4 muh fallacy muh burden of proof etc etc reddit nonsense

>talk about CDDA
>a tranny magically appears and starts violently dilating all over the walls
it's like poetry, it rhymes

a rogue bump in the night

>>560139736
Your mom sucked me off good and hard (through my jorts) last night
And I don't think a kind and loving god would've allowed something that fuckin sexy to happen

I just boughted Siralim Ultimate off Rutracker. Is it a roguelike?

>>560151217
Not even close, and it's not even a very good game (I'd even go so far as to say it's barely a game at all.) It's closer to a time-wasting trinket, like an auto-battler or an idler. Almost no gameplay, it's just setting up your little automatic-win machine, and it either works or it doesn't.

Yeah there were some huge Siralim fans in the thread a while back that tricked me into trying it out. Direly tedious gameplay and progression.
It's certainly interesting that it exists, semi-unique and somewhat creative. But it's on the same level banal, tepid and uninspired

it's honestly amazing how long this general has endured

>>560154894
Yeah, there's hardly any huge tits in here

Someone commission big mina tits

>>560153905
Its a collect-athlon game and a "Build experiment" second, repetitive yeah and the artstyle is something

guess i'll play some cataclysm

thinking of trying stone soup again. runs i've won were

>human hedge wizard, 3 rune
>minotaur fighter, axe and shield, 3 rune
>human conjurer, 15 rune + 1 zig
>human fighter, sword and shield, 15 rune + 1 zig

I have very boring taste but kind of want to mix it up, any recommendations

>>560158872
Play a better game like FrogComposband

>>560158872
Vinestalker Gladiator or Fighter of Usk. Short blades to trigger bite more often and to take advantage of Usks paralysis and confusion.

>>560159716
Do you still try to meme it up with Stealth?

>>560159909
Yeah, you have +3 apt I think. Wear medium armor and you can get decent stealth score still plus stabbing damage (which you get a lot of) is calculated using both weapon skill and stealth so get a fair bit of it. Would wear ringmail early then aim for fire or ice dragon armor or a good artifact.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gyxzFPzcO0

>>560160953
>crystalform even on paragon
Anon you have a problem

CDDA needs just one more thing to be feature complete: urinating and defecation, with crafting included. Imagine freezing a shit javelin in a freezer, filling a condom up with poop and freezing it overnight to make a crap cudgel, or sustaining an entire base of survivors slaving endlessly in the fields on your behalf with nothing but pee soup. Let me reconfigure fire trucks to fire from a tank of my warm aged piss. Construct an entire wizard's manse 18 z levels tall out of nothing but my own hardened beef and broccoli fueled festering fecal fondue.

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>>560160953
You are doing it wrong.

>>560167267
How else do you propose I do a mostly pure ant army run on C32? I'm not even sure if it's possible, unironically. I think I'm gonna need lots of backup from other types of summons if I attempt it again. Formus might genuinely be the worst god in the game.
>ants summon on game turn
>prayers refresh on... when your ant kills something (lol)
>when an adjacent ally is damaged by an enemy (might as well say when you breakdance backwards on a pile of glass during a lunar eclipse)
>double your ants once a floor (all die in 1 second of fighting a boss)
This is why I chose crystalform. To slow shit down and speed up my ant farm.

>>560168240
Forest mask does the same thing as crystal form for summoner builds, entangle strips speed.

>>560168184
Nicely done. I thought about doing a berserker but chose imp last second for the flexibility bonus. Although I gotta say that Imp + crystalform is actually insane; the game legit turns into fireworks.

>>560168769
I'll have to try that at some point since it sounds fun but not on a summoner though.
I'd say berserk is key to the antcentric kind of build.

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>>560168769
>>560169296
Woops, forgot this.
This was my team in action btw.

>>560151810
That exact description describes Path of Achra so it's a roguelike then?

>>560170113
Path of Achra's barely a roguelike
>translator's note: "barely" means "it is, but I'm going to pretend like it isn't." Antonym of "Practically"

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>>560168240
Just because it's the ant god doesn't mean you need to build around ants, anon. Here's a briar mage projective link build I slapped together in two minutes just now. Used Formus prayer 1 to get an army on entrance, prayer 2 to buff them and summon more. I straight up forgot to take sustain, literally my only healing was from leveling vigor. My main hand was completely irrelevant to the build, I used it solely because it had a range of 2 so I could be lazy and just tab towards enemies while staying in prayer 2 trigger range.

>>560170113
Only retards like Path of Achra

>>560151810
So Achra fans will love it?

>>560174271
>>560174926
Achra is legitimately a roguelike and is also fun. It's unintuitive and unbalanced, but this is true of every single game in the genre that isn't called Rift Wizards. The art is nice, the mechanics and (scant) writing are highly polished, the enemies are challenging without being total horseshit (mostly), it has a surprising amount of gameplay variety, and the short length makes it accessible in a way that most rogues can't match - and it does this without sacrificing build depth or difficulty.
It's not the GOAT roguelike or anything, but it's very good at being what it's trying to be.

>>560175560
>every single game in the genre
A bold and sweeping statement, one which I find hard to credit

>>560175560
>implying RW is balanced

>>560175795
Being unintuitive and unbalanced is a feature that is inherent to RNG-derived gameplay loops.

>>560176947
Nah, you can balance around it

I just understood the joke behind the book named "Self Esteem for Dummies" in CDDA

>>560175560
Whats wrong with rift wizard

>>560180118
Explain

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>dungeon crawling
>turn based combat
>random loot and shit
NGL chat, this feels a lot like a roguelike.

>>560182227
Pretty sure it's saying the opposite and Rift Wizard is intuitive and balanced

Anyone ever have problems connecting batteries in 0.H DDA?
I'm squatting at a house, in a room with a window leading to a section of a roof, where I placed some solar panels. I had a number of large storage batteries (50k each) placed next to each other, with the intent of swapping some of them in and out of the grid for use in my car. That way, the capacities of each battery got added, and then I just connected the solar array to the batteries. It worked. But then I had a few outings and noticed that my freezer and fridge kept getting toggled off. None of the batteries ever dipped below 40%, all of them are yellow integrity and above. Reading internet discussions, I've come to the conclusion that the appliances "run out" of power when the batteries leave the reality bubble and thus stop supplying power while the appliances are still in range of the bubble. So I figured I'd rearrange my entire room: place a battery in each corner and put the appliances in the middle. But I cannot properly connect the batteries to each other so that their capacities in the power grid would get added, for some reason. For example, say I have two batteries some distance from each other. I connect some appliances to one of them. The appliances show as drawing power from that battery. Now I connect the batteries to each other using a cord. Now inspecting both batteries shows the appliance power draw. But their capacities both show 50k. If I place them right next to each other, it is the expected 100k.
I have also tried using the house wiring. Half the room's walls don't have wiring, but I tested on one wall which did, and it didn't work. I also tried it this way: connected the batteries to the wall wiring, and then connected the wall wirings directly using a cord. Same behavior: the input from the solar cells and the power draw from appliances is correct, so there IS a connection, but the capacities are still shown as 50k when the number should be 100k for two batteries. Any ideas?

>>560184730
>problems
>in DDA?
Yeah, but I solved them by playing BN instead

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>>560180118
the joke is that it's a reference to a real book

hulk punched me into the wall of this lab so hard that the concrete wall broke, revealing the rebar cage

serpent is a really hard mutation line, I think it needs higher tier armor for the feet, and an upper-body only survivor armor that doesn't suck

anyone play anything on steamdeck or any other handheld pcs/devices? i will be without a pc(and probably net) for atleast a year so i would like to load up on fun. i haven't played anything seriously in years so i am probably missing out on a lot of major releases.

>>560190779
I thought everyone knew it's a real book and there's no joke?

It's over

>>560196056
How can it be over when I'm stimming like crazy RN?

>>560174035
"Making use of the ant god" is different from "building around ants" though
I don't want to use the ant god, I want to use the ants.

May as well play Eresh or Ikshana.

>>560191124
No but I can imagine the main issue being the controls

bossbabylike

Elona is a soulslike

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WHY IS THE DEV MAKING THE FEMALE UNITS HOT

>>560214729
How?

>>560190779
Is ...for dummies an outdated reference these days, do they still print those?

>>560233659
We make do with wikihow memes.

>>560215049
Interesting shift in the art style. I wonder if they're still 2 frame bobbleheads.

>>560238383
The short video on steam shows they have abit more animation i think?

demon is pretty good but im suprised it does not have megaten style demon fusion . The party AI is pretty impressive for this genre.

>>560245129
Added to the 'acklog.

Hey what happened to UnRealWorld's site? It's been down for days

>>560251071
Works on my machine

>>560251364
Actually yeah I just tried it with a VPN and it worked
Weird

>>560190779
>>560182974
>>560233659
I know about those books, I mean it just hit me that the idea of a "For Dummies" book, where the title inherently mocks the reader, is hilarious given that it's for Self Esteem of all things, because nothing builds self esteem like being insulted

drooling retard here, is there any way to update C:BN without deleting my current character/world or should I always roll a new one when updating?

I wonder if Achra dev is a based /x/ schizo mystic or if all the language used in his game is Anno Evangelion style salad symbolism for the sake of it.
He has VIII of Pentacles at his itch page, he must be fun (or just Jewish)

>>560255002
I think he said he just googles words

>>560255002
I feel like you don't write nonsense poetry and base your setting and artstyle off of Egypt, Kabbalah, and Lovecraft shit without being a little bit schizo.

>>560256306
or correctly use Minor Arcana on your itch page
you're right
he's Jewish
possibly with Polish roots even
totally a schizolike /x/phile

>>560256306
>odds play siralim
Dont

>>560256306
>Evens play Achra
You are now playing a Morlock Zealot of Eris. Have fun.

>>560245129
Demon is fun, but I have no idea how to git gud at it. It always kicked the shit out of me with no obvious error on my part.

>>559970642
Brogue

>>559970642
Cogmind

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um
I think I accidentally unlocked the super secret hard mode of Achra? WTF happened this run?

>>560268762
I dont get it, i see nothing out of the ordinary here

>>560268991
>>560268991
This is triple my record damage dealt, and close to double my damage taken. The final boss took like a hundred turns of us gruelingly dueling and healing back and forth. I guess this is just the typical Gallus run?

>>560269232
Oh i didnt saw those, good job anon!

>>560269232
Is that the Death king? He could have been healing from his allies dying. And if you have 63 STR he can't kill you because STR gives Death resist.

>>560260578
it feels pretty easy to me so far. what part are you getting your ass kicked at?

Death to gachas

i'm gonna play adom because i've had it on steam for a decade.

>>560268762
Why does the game bother displaying healing received? Like yeah no shit I healed about the same as damage taken, otherwise I'd be dead.

>>560278815
I feel like a RL gacha would do numbers, maybe. IDK, I don't give a fuck because they are cancer and I hope everyone into them is perma banned on this site.

I'm kinda enjoying Siralim Ultimate. Anything with build autism makes me stim.

WazHack

>>560280221
It shows you how bigly divine interventions carried your dumb ass

>>560282635
The elements from traditional roguelikes that can be made palatable to a wider audience are what you see in roguelites. A lot of popular games already have a "roguelike" mode by which they usually mean a separate game mode with procgen maps, pick 3 things gameplay, and run based meta-progression. Traditional roguelikes are too harsh and you can't sell like a SSR Nethack class with busted features without fucking up the whole game. More importantly there's basically nowhere to put social/multiplayer features

There's things like that one gacha that's basically Slay the Spire but even then you can feel how they sit weirdly with each other

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wtf

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lizard sisters its over
this game is super janky for some reason. like the fps drops when moving.

>>560290595
F

>>560290064
>run based meta-progression
Isn't a roguelike element

>>560291902
NTA but elaborate or shut the fuck up, I'm tired of this snippity posting style where some faggot says a couple words without explaining anything further, learn how to hold a conversation.

>>560282635
eramegaten has a gacha system

monster catchers are quite good for gacha type systems. I feel like visting the velvet room feels like a gacha sometimes.

>>560291902
But it is an extremely common roguelite "patch" to the genre, because most people used to modern games don't like feeling that they completely wasted their time on a run they lost, hence why a bunch of roguelites have you slowly unlock the full content of the game

>>560292483
Can you name a major roguelike that has it? None of the classics do, it originates in modern roguelites. As this guy says: >>560293102

>>560293437
TOME lets you unlock classes and races. I quite like that about it. current cata dda experimentals also have certain starts locked behind getting achievements.

>>560294252
are the weird mini dungeons in Demon inspired by Tome or inspired by another game?

>>560294252
Sure, but those are barely roguelikes ;-)

>>560290064
You could make the gacha rolls be for starting characters. Like the free character gets to pick race and a starter class, while a common might be be a specific race/class with a decent bonus item or something, and the SSR is a big titty cat girl who starts with an advanced class from level 1 (imagine the game has class branching as part of leveling) and at least one item that would define a run if you found it on the floor. These characters would be consumable, if you die you lose a stock of it; you might make the higher rarity characters come with multiple stocks, while lower rarity ones are single use.

This creates a system where whales can pig out to "Reduce variance" while the remaining 99% of the playerbase can enjoy relatively cheap pulls (since they're all consumable) and a functional roguelike.

As for the social/multiplayer features, ghosts could be one way of doing it, if you get a reward for every time your ghost kills a player. It would especially please the piggies every time one of their dead waifus makes a wagie seethe for ending the run... but it might also make piggy mad to die to an early ghost. You could alternatively just do what dcss servers do and have ranked leader-boards where different completion stats are measured, which paypiggies will naturally have an advantage in to justify their spending.

The only truly difficult part of making a roguelike gacha is finding a way to make sure enough fanservice is on screen at any given time.

gacha games only work on gooning
If you aren't making goonlikes you should not make a gacha

tell me your dream roguelike idea so I can craete it

>>560295056
I want to make a superhero roguelike, sort of like a tile-based cousin of the Freedom Force games. I have plans for it but sadly I have too many coding projects that I need to tend to already.

I do love this thing though:
https://lonespelunker.itch.io/trash-80-rogue

>>560295056
final fantasy roguelike but using the brave/HP system from dissidia ( and its opera omnia gacha which was a turn based game instead of a fighter) as a core mechanic, possibly with both brave and faith + HP, for compelling single unit combat.

Just a good ass fantasy game - hopefully something with a more interesting dungeon. Too many empty dungeon rooms where the place u stand does not matter much. Lot of modern TTRPGs have 'end your turn next to a wall, wall run two spaces' type mechanics that feel good.

>>560294605
If you removed the P2W aspect and just made a normal roguelike this I'd pay 20 dollars for it.
Make it so you have to pick between 3 random classes/characters out of the pool you've unlocked, too.

>>560290595
>fps
>turn based tile based
shiggydiggy