The Hot Topic Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/post-217955>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>559962135
Revert Ivy
>wolf form is trash and nerfs you >reduce its cooldown Did Silver really need this additional nerf?
>>559994940They gonna revert her all right, revert her into the fucking soil where she belongs
support coded characters shouldn't have a good gun cry about it
>>559994883
>>559994883I love this thing, it's beautiful
paradox is fucking thick m8
Genuinely how are there people that still think Silver is op?Nigga just kite her are you standing still or what?I suck at movement and I just jump around and avoid her, you just parkour for a little bit and you're fine.
Calico getting free souls is bullshit no matter how you put it. At least Vindicta had to land a skillshit. All this black kween needs to do is spamming a braindead close range ability.
Guys do full-on gun firerate builds even exist? I wanna try to max the shit out of the firerate just for fun. Maybe I'll try it on ivy
I have tried every realistic combination of items and found only a single way to (almost) guarantee a failure to checkout on someone with Enduring Speed that enters with 2-3 stamina.>Level 3 Bell + Cold Front Shit tier, only works against mouth breathing retards or people with zero stamina and no movement abilities or items>Level 3 Bell + Mystic Reverb + Cold Front + Duration The disjointed slow on MR does good work but the item is dog shit on Doorman now that his Bell damage is split in half again and it still isnt enough to make the hotel reliable>Level 3 Bell + Arctic Blast + Mystic Slow + Spirit Burn to keep Mystic Slow appliedThe -12% dash distance on mystic slow just isnt enough and its too expensive to realistically add another item. Also takes too long to come online.>Level 3 Bell + Cold Front + Slowing Hex + DurationSlowing Hex duration is too short, it ends up running out right before you get to the point where you'd want to dash jump so its useless.All failures. Adding Knockdown on top of all this shit could ensure they don't get out but that's simply too many buttons to press every time I want to ult someone.>NO Bell + Cold Front + Slowing Hex + Superior DurationFunnily enough this is the most reliable combo i've found. Theyll get to the ledge faster because theres no bell slow so slowing hex will still be active, meaning they'll more than likely try to jump over while their dash distance is still nerfed. This alone is enough most of the time and if they still get out after this they probably know what theyre doing and will get out no matter what. Adding Vortex Web should make it even most consistent but Vortex is on a 42 second CD so you cant chain it.However, anyone with Superior Stamina, Warp Stone, Dispel Magic or some kind of movement ability still gets out for free. If they have a +1 Stamina item they might too.In conclusion, simple is best, level 3 Hotel is a gimmick but still fun and Level 3 Bell SUCKS DICK
>>559995153Yeah, that's literally what Wraith and Haze are for
is the game playable now after the patch?
>>559995108She probably has a forest under her pits and crotch and hairy legs
>>559995192your anchor madame?
>>559995252Holy fuck IMAGINE the smell
>>559995192bro, i'm sorry but this ult based builds are all tik tok memes. building around ult or trying to guarantee it is a wasted effort for fuck all result. it's just not worth it and the payout is shit.tier 3 ult is quite literally a meme and should be treated as such, complete waste of items. just treat your ult as the banish it is and nothing more.
>>559995205But i'm not thinking about a good build, i mean purely buying items for their firerate increase only for shit and giggles
>>559995192You talk about keeping it simple but why don't you just Slowing Hex + Knockdown them?>>559995343I seeWell you'd still want to play proc-based heroes like Wraith and Haze and Infernig then anyway
Told you they'd reverse Lash's throw scaling. Intern mistake, I bet.
>>559995251This. I have to wageslave, but I wanna know if the game is back to being playable or if I'm still going to see the same 3-5 broken characters every match.
I barely even felt the HP increase.
The tether nerf is actually the funniest line in the patch.Ivy's gun is fucking worthless and halving the values solo doesn't do anything. You always 2 point Thorns and max Stone Form+ult first for the added scaling.
when is dooby streaming this again?
>>559995083Calico is fine because there's still attractive white/hapa characters in the game
>>559995430worse. its social media outcry
>>559995124Some "people" suffer from Silver derangement syndrome, we call them silvertrannies.
>>559995506Calico's design fucking sucks. Not even unique. Should have made her voodoo with a creole accent and looking like Calypso from Pirates. Drifter shouldn't have a creole accent cause that's too overplayed from True Blood.
>>559995451They are forcing you to play support by halfing the buffs by going solo. That, and nerfing the shit out of her gun. I guess there's a group of vocal trannies who want Ivy to be only viable on support/spirit.
>>559995406>why don't you just Slowing Hex + Knockdown them?The knockdown doesnt make up for losing the slow on cold front and the slow on bell isnt enough on its own.I'd buy knockdown too if I wasnt so lazy, adding knockdown is too much work and increases the mental stack making it more likely ill fuck up the order. Bell>Shoot Bell>Knockdown>Cold Front>Slowing Hex>Ult is too much. Maybe ill just make an autohotkey script or something.
>>559995127I feel like the whole concept made more sense for Vin mechanically, Vin is kind of a support hybrid and is really bad at farming and pushing, getting souls from snipes made so she's able to spend time sniping and supporting, like a built-in trophy collector.Calico is a duelist assassin already very efficient at farming and she can access the tunnels for even more farming, it isn't compensating for any weakness in her kit, she's just getting overly rewarded for just doing her job. On a 4 second cooldown ability that is practically impossible to miss.
I trust this guy because he constantly shits on that Metro guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4hryMJzHXs
>>559995710Her gun build hasn't existed for a while so I mostly just find it goofy.This change would have zero effect on her practical performance
>>559995108My overnerfed wife
Been playing a lot of brawl to work on my fighting skills. I'm good at other shooters where being aggresive helps you win but here its a whole different ball game. How should I be thinking when playing a dps character? If I start going aggressive I just feed sometimes, if I start playing too careful I don't do damage.
>Fed and carrying as Billy>Only positive KD on team, everyone else is shit like 2/4 or whatever>But I'm 12/0 and carry every teamfight>Lag spike, I disconnect and reconnect>Get the bug where you reconnect into a game but the black loading screen with spinning Deadlock symbol stays>Quit and reconnect again>>>Not a single teammate paused>Instead they managed to fight 5v6 two or three times while I was gone for less than two minutes>Fall behind and it becomes uncarryable and we loseHoly fuck this is the worst I've felt playing this game ever. Nobody paused? Nobody notices the 12/0 Billy is gone? Entire team full of NPCs? Nonsentient unconscious fucking daydreaming sleepwalking golem who hit Oracle 6 and don't know to pause when the only performing player on the team is reconnecting? Undeveloped brains that can't grasp cause-and-effect and decide to suicide 5v6 multiple times because daddy isn't around to hold their hand and tell them not to run into traffic? I was already carrying these freaks for free, all we needed was just ONE of the FIVE other people on my team to tap P while I was loading back in and they still couldn't do it. They can lose lane, they can wander around in empty jungle and get caught, they can take bad fights and require me to run over to rescue them but they CAN'T pause the fucking gameI'm so fucking mad these fucking niggers niggers niggers NIGGERS are in my Oracle lobby, this isn't shitlow anymore how are these fucking NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER FUCKING NIGGERS!!!! NIGGER FUCK!!!!!!
>>559995924I'm praying to god that some brain damaged (((pro))) first picks her again and runs it down to 1k+ people watching
>>559995949(me)>How should I be thinking when playing a dps character?Forgot to mention in the normal mode.
>>559996001kino melty
>>559995917Yeah, and now with the whole health buff her guns feels even more useless than ever
>>559996001This is unironically what the White Man's Burden felt like on a national scale jsyk
Objectives are fucking tissue paperYoshi you doublenigger double their HP and tell people to push instead of jerking off on boxes in an alley
>>559996001Maybe they thought you ragequit and just wanted to get it over with...
>>559996029Uuhhh if she gets picked in pro games it means she's good though it doesn't matter if she has 0 winrate only that she gets picked
>>559996120no we need green walker to go from full hp to 2/3 hp from a single creep wave :)
>>559996108Come to think of it, the HP buff was a Siphon Bullets buff
Why aren't the lines colored with something that represents left or right? Green and yellow means nothing...
>>559996029Silver Shift is going to be a lot less funny if there's no Silver in it...
>>559996064>>559996110The fucked up thing is while I was gone we managed to lose the two walkers we had (blue and green) and when I came back I still tried my best to carry so the game went on another 25 minutes until we got choked out by a two item slot difference because the ENEMY had THEIR blue and green walkers while OUR Grey Talon, 1/12 wonderchild that he is, did nothing but run into teamfights and die first instead of PUSHING A FUCKING LANE because this game is full of NIGGERS!>>559996151Maybe they should get their lives over with and fucking kill themselves
>>559995710Hot take but I wish every character was viable in every way by itemization and that developers didn't force characters in their specific baby pens for drooling retards.
>>559996120Soon there will be a patch where after the one shrine is down, the game will start ddosing the losing team.
>>559996120the irony is that this punishes jungleniggers. Maybe play at a better elo
>>559996329Unironically there's no feeling worse than being a good lanejanny all match keeping Yellow/Green walkers at full hp for 30 min and then you die a single time and in 50 secs your team manages to lose both of them
>very long game>at some point realize I'm sitting on almost 20k souls>hit B wondering what the fuck is going on>we didn't take the last walker so I have no slot>queue stuck on one item instead of buying the 7+ upgrades for like 15 minutesBros... I'm gonna kill myself but for real this time...
>buff everyones damage(except for some chars)>game becomes too bursty>buff everyones hpSo........when are they going back to those left behind? What are these retards even doing anymore. It wasn't enough that Vyper and Holliday didn't get shit they also got nerfed today
We are so back
>>559996001You know you can pause before leaving right? I do it when I start getting memory leak freezes.
they gotta rework crackshot already
>>559996454HAHAHAHAHAHA sorry i'm laughing at m1ggers expense. They really should've buff spirit res instead of hp
>>559996454Instead of reducing overtuned numbers everyone is tankier which for sure doesn't create a miriad of other problems!
>>559996268Left=L=Lemon=YellowRight=R=Recycle=GreenCenter=C=Cyan=Blue
>>559996494kino
>>559996510>Sorry chuddy you were already carrying the whole team running around putting out fires all over the place but expecting golem to do ANYTHING to help such as pausing while you're disconnected is a failureWorthless niggershit mindset, you should kill yourself
>ivy went to a fun support to become other boring spirit buildder >yoshi decide to nerf her for reasons
Yoshi must be dragged out into the streets naked and screaming, covered in pitch, and set aflame atop a big bonfire.
>>559996268Because the colors flip depending on the side?
>>559996623
QUIT BUFFING THE EGG
>>559996753Ivy is literally top tier right now as both spirit and gun. Simply learn how to play the game and don't rely on "being support" to hide being bad.
>>559996342I don't think that's possible to pull off, especially with 38 unique characters. That said, idk why the devs have an hard-on for spirit. Doing a full gun build is pretty much unviable on most characters
>>559995575Why would you call them something that's likely used as an insult towards people that like Silver when they clearly don't?
>>559996856No I need to be able to turn 800 souls into 4000 souls with no downside >:(
what is the point of Witchmail?
god damnit
>>559996858i'm so sick and tired of all these niggertrannies complaining about ivy being bad when she's quite literally top tier and is top tier and will remain top tier, are all these whiners fucking retards that just stand still and buy healing beam and healing nova?
>>559996342a lot of them are
>on loading screen>press escape>enemy has>doorman>geist>wraith>mo>apollo>pocketgenuinley going to kill myself
>>559996890Silver enjoyers aren't deranged trannies, that's why.
>>559996915Permanent S1 uptime on purplegreen Abrams
>>559996915To tank everything and have infinite abilities. I use it on Yamato.
>>559996976Yeah they're even worse. Troglodytes.
>>559996858Her gun is ok, but with her recent gun nerfs and abilities buffs, you'd be stupid for going full gun since she just can't dish enough damage with it alone, which you could do a long time ago
>>559996959>mo*and Krill.
>>559996703kek hope you lose even more games retardbro
>demolished Victor in lane, he's 0 7 at 15 minutes >still almost solo carries his team becoming a 1v6 machine that only lost because his team got blown up instantly each fightWhat a fun and balanced character
>>559996302Yea I don't give a shit if there isn't Silver in a matchWatching these overconfident midwit eternus retards fumble and fail with their "SECRET OP TOP PICK" Silver pick and the following cope is funny to me.
>>559996931Building for fuckhuge AOE damage is boring and requires zero skill to play and when players aren't challenged they get boredSimple as
gay sex with apollo
I'm Archon 2. t. Geist main
>>559997098Did anyone buy Silencer, Crippling Headshot, or Inhibitor?
>deals half damage to objectives>2% less damage amp per pulse>does not slow and trivial to leave before amp builds up>scaling slashed in half if not leveled>won't even heal you on swapGenuinely what is the point of this skill if you're not going bombdox? It's not even worth the time it takes to throw if you're going gun and could be clicking heads instead. Completely dead button.
>play ivy>"I AM FULLY CHARGED">tether teammate>healing tempo heals them to full
>>559997251>Get behind me, doctor!
>rem is using his ultimate on creeps>he's a twitch streamer Why would anyone watch a retard playing Deadlock?
Anyone else feel like they're a real loser with this patch? My winrate is literally sub 20% since it hit. It's actually unbelievable how much worse the game is for me now
>>559997241Yeah, multiple people did
>>559997336if i pick victor i win if i get anyone else i lose
>>559997247Full gun Paradox doesn't exist anon
>>559997336>doesn't adapt to meta>muh wrbro your having a blast?
>>559997065>>559997196The 2 giving you fire rate, bullet lifesteal, and movement speed, at 100% uptime on T3, means that gun is MORE than viable. I'm not even sure what you could be arguing against here.
>>559997098>what do you mean I managed to beat one of the worst laners in the game with my doorman/celeste/mina/mcginnis/ect but then he became strong during the late game where he's scaled to become strong!?!?t. Literal Imbecile
so far the ratio is one fun game, three cbt with a clear MM dinsfuction and two one sided stomps where I felt nothing. A sniper character like vindicta was a fucking mistake too
>>559997409Did people like, shoot him, once they had the items? His healing gets chunked to something like 15%.
I only play Silver, Holliday, Yamato and Sinclair
>>559997605Yeah it took 5 people to bring him down
>>559997336I'm still winning games with fucking Graves on Oracle so it's fine I guess
>>559997570>seething about vindKEEEEEEEK bro your anvil?
>>559997672If you make his healing 15% or whatever it is, he should go down quite quickly. So either people didn't buy the items, they didn't shoot him, or people were having really bad accuracy.
>>559997662I can't bring myself to play Silver after they shitcanned her, it feels so anemic and miserable. Now I'm Billypilled.
>>559996623But which color is left and right changes based on your team.What I'm really surprised they haven't done is made left and right blue and yellow since those two colors correspond to the team colors. Then you could say as a rule that the team's color lane is always right and the other is always left or something like that. This also means if the devs ever want to give increasing advantages on the troopers on each team's right lane to help games end you could say "the team's color lane gets an increasing advantage over the course of the game" to make it easy to remember.
>>559997774debuff removed
>>559997289JHA!
I only play Drifter and Mina Ha
I'm better than all of you, I only play Ivy.And I don't play Ivy anymore either, now.
>>559997826Yea I play Silver a lot less now, it's a lot of effort for fuckall and I don't feel like I make any impact with my ult, it's really only a cleanup ult for fights that are already won.
>>559997826You could get better at the game, and then she would feel better to play. Billy is still overtuned so you're just sticking with the better characters instead of getting better in general.
>>559997513Read the latest patch bruv it's even worse than before because before you could activate it if you needed it yourself now you get half the benefits when alone
>>559997492I don't play one of the three characters that determines who wins, no.
It hasn't even been a weak and I already miss the bruiser meta
>>559997997A shit hero is shit regardless of how good you are.
>>559998102they must have 100% wr then... right?
>>559997997Billy is worse than Silver right now
>>559997997>silver upplayer>billy upplayerHmm
>>559998216He's weaker by a lot but not even close lolThat's assuming the enemy doesn't buy rebuttal. If they do then yeah you're just a useless meat shield.
I've only been brooling and having much more fun (unless they have a Paige with alchemical fire) than drawn out matches I know are doomed.
>>559998182No, because the broken characters are not always on the same team. Having Ivy doesn't matter when Calico went 10/0 in lane and hit critical mass first.
>>559997513How hard it is to understand the damage scaling itself was nerfed to shit? Even with her firerate buff on her 2, it still doesn't counteract the fact she does little damage. If you look at what the meta is on her, it's not her gun. It's all skewed on support and area denial
>Calico, Doorman, Wraith, Celeste, and Victor thrown into the dumpsterWho do I play now then?
AAAAAAAAAAA I'M NOOKING I'M FUCKIIGN NOOOOKING I'M NOOOOOKINGGG
Is it true that Miss Holiday uses her lasso on stray shotas and brings them to her ''Sheriff's Office'' to ''interrogate'' them
Valve should partner with /dlg/ and link steam accounts to 4chan so that every post showed the posters rank.
>>559998434THE MAGNIFICENT SINCLAIR
>>559998064100% uptime means she has gone from a great split pusher, to a split pushing god. The 3 is on a 15s cooldown for 13% max HP heal, the 4 is a 44s cooldown, and the 1 is good even without much investment. And her 3 also has a x2.8 spirit investment. So with just a little spirit investment, it's already insane.
>>559998434Don't tel anyone, but Mirage is _fun_
Holliday, my beloved
>Mirage gets nerfed to the point of having the worst winrate of any character ever>I see him 10x as muchExplain this. Always on my team btw
>>559998536silvertrannies in shambles44% wr at initiate 50% wr at eternus
>>559998536It's not even that tough to guess based on who they think is unplayable or who is OP.
They should just neuter Slam Fire and Bolas and make Wolf form busted again.
>>559998564>do everything>loseI love this nigga
>>559998664That's me, I have all the bottom tier winrate characters on rotation to tank my rank back to ritualist (currently oracle). Sorry lil' bro.
>>559998529Fake news
>>559998772Yuritroons are always painfully cringe
>>559998573Or... you just pick Doorman.
>>559998772trans folx really find this hilarious
Belly rubs for our buffed girl!they should give her +1 Stamina in wolf, it doesn't make sense that she only has 2
I don't even feel bad about my loss streak back into upper Phantom. My only reward for being in Ascendant is being struck by the OCE curse and fighting the top 3 players in the region
>>559998918>spoilersOther way around tbdesu
Can't wait to watch teams first picking Silver and letting the opponent pick wraith and calico on night shift
>>559998929the higher your MMR and the more likely you are to be matched against a stack of eternus I'm good
what are these devs thinking with calico's bonus soul shit?like can you even pin this on "its an alpha bro!!">hurr durr what will happen if we give the snowbally assassin extra souls when she kills someone????wow real mystery there guys
NightShift Derangement Syndrome
>>559999027hmm maybe they want to reward that playstyle and make her snowball-y instead of mid tier early into falling off quickly late
Wraith got barely nerfed? She's still a menace
>>559998847The most prominent changes for him was the 4, as bell spam has always been the way to play him. He doesn't control the match as much as Ivy. He's quite good of course, but Ivy is the better option for splitpushing.
>>559999027its the black woman of valve unoriginality buff
>>559998796>>559998865>Nooooo you must only like MY flavor of degeneracy here! Grow up nigga
>>559997208Sorry old manIn real life the goth girl gets the twink
>>559999158>>Nooooo you must only like MY flavor of degeneracy here!This but unironically transbians GTFO.
I'm just not having fun with this patch no matter who I play. I hate the super high damage super low TTK.
Which female character is more likely to rape little boys?
Let's go for a two-fer. Don't even think black Wraith is that bad honestly though.
what makes sinclair so OP?
>>559999405>no hands in pocketsBlack Wraith is superior
>>559998702>every poster pretending silver is strong is alchemist or lowerHmm
How can people be complaining about doorman nerfs when he was shitting out 400 damage bombs by minute 5 of the match
>>559999502>not OP = unplayable
>>559999405I do question the how often non-white characters have the moniker Wraith >Marvel>Apex>Now DeadlockA wraith is an British death spirit, how do playing cards even relate?
>>559998716Her human kit isn't even that good, it's just better than wolf which says more about how shit her ult is.
>the game is forcing yoori on meSAVE ME GABEN!
They add an evil shota hero in the future but he gets hard countered by Mina and Paige
>>559999672Mina and Paige would get bodied by a shota hero. He'd be hard countered by Geist and Paradox.
when are they getting added?
>>559999589>irrelevant schizoid replyDerangement in full swing.
What if Vindicta was green?
>>559999491Yeah this is the requester's AI reference so it's meant to have the hands in the pockets and the puppet arms.>>559999610As soon as I saw her, with the puppet arms, and the telekinesis ult, I said, why didn't they name her Geppetto?
>>559999748>Nightshift Derangement Syndrome projection
>the victor "nerfs" only affected his early game>victor already basically didn't have an early gameWhy bother nerfing him then?
>>559999589We're talking about Silver, a hero that's never been OP.
>>559999735Your Mo & Krill sir?
>>559999735They get buffs if they detect the word "nigger" in the chat.
>>559999316Phew! Good thing I'm a straight man who loves you women then, so I'll stay
>>559999852>victor already basically didn't have an early gamehe did this patch though
>>559996959>>559997083it's ok they were bad and couldn't take advantage of how broken thier charaters actually are. >I played viper and actually won. I'm now up to 4 wins and 12 losses of my most recent 16 games!
>>559999770warcraft nelves vs orcs
>>559999869>Mo & Krill & Bo & Frill & Co & Trill
>>559999870Tinkers more like TIGGERS
>>559995124they’re retarded and don’t want to learn how to play, so they go on the discord to scream SILVER OP after failing to ego 1v1 the wolf for the 10th time in a row
>>559999856yet silvertrannies cry like its unplayable because its not OP
>>559999896>yurifag>straight
>>559999896>I'm a straight man who loves you
>>559997092>Give me a free rideYou should kill yourself
>>559999856Absolutely delusional.
>>559999303yuri-coded post
>>559999896>>559999660>>559999158At least post a good Silver ship
>>560000028Silvertrannies pretend she's good or even OP despite reality proving them wrong, normal people like me want her to be average like she was before the nerfs.
There is no one stopping me from commissioning a fanart of Silver getting plowed by Dean Winchester
>>560000057Jesus said we should love everyone equally
>>559999580Bro your spirit resist?
my first e1 game
>>560000074When exactly was she overpowered? Back when she almost had a slightly above average winrate? Why are you upplaying her?
>>560000228stop disassociating with your tranny character that literally transforms, silvertranny. Makes you seem more delusional than you already are KEK
>>559996858>>559996931I mean support ivy is fine >>560000369You're doing it wrong if you aren't playing an initiator though.
-10% damage penalty is really small specially compared for 90souls/min
>>559999464having high value ults on a short cooldown and nuking people for 1-2k with bolts
>>560000493You're mentally ill.
>>560000532INGRID SEXINGRID SEEEEEEEEEEEEX
What ever happened to the Minafags?
>>560000373It was right around where they had their ult intact, ult was really low cooldown, and they'd just buffed her damage on human form so it was braindead easy to just whip out an ult every 30 seconds and walk all over teams unless they bought like 4 CC items to deal with you. Really all that needed to be nerfed was uptime. Increase CD to 90s. Job done.
>>560000582they got bored of her
You sure think about trannies a lot. You are practically obsessed with them. I won't be surprised if you also jerk off to them.
>>560000574i bought 2 eggs a match and got 5k from them
>>560000369Share the build sis, I need to step up my Ivy game.
>>559998434>have to use one full neuron now instead of half>dumpsteredBoosted shitters are playing a completely different game.
>>560000565>>559998981KEEEK fucking owned. go transform and cry more about nightshift, silvertranny
>>560000659I only jerk off to futa because that's an actual woman's body. Trannies don't compare to that in like 99% of circumstances. You're basically fucked if you didn't win the genetic lottery as a tranny. Sure you can pass if you put in all that effort but it's just to look like an ugly girl. Not him by the way.
>>560000373Oh yeah winrates! Shiv and Mina are also F tier right? Or you can put aside the mones and realize that people are shit at playing the game and winrate does not reflect a character being good. Shitters who don't even get one creep camp, or only do L->R on a default build, with no counter items, are not indicative of a character's power.
>leave sinners and camps for other players who know how to actually play>decide to be done with that, hit so many enemy and friendly sinners, hitting every camp i see while pushing lanes and go for boxes>still end up lowest soulsIM DONEIVE HAD ITFROM THIS POINT ON IM A PERMANENT LANE JANNYIM ONLY LEAVING MY LANE WHEN WE PUSH UP TO THEIR SHRINE AND ONLY TO TAKE ANOTHERMY PATH OF BEING A GIANT RANGED CREEP IS TRUE AND RIGHTEOUSFUCK TEAMFIGHTSFUCK JUNGLINGmidboss is okay actuallyAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>560000703Build ID is 278787
>>560000868you probably end up losing the temporary souls u have by dying
>>560000373When she could dive you as soon as she got her ult and facetank your guardian while raping you to death>BRO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET HER TAKE THE GUARDIAN BRO
>>559995251 I love this patch personally.Calico and Wraith are gross though, I won't ever play them. Also I had a game this morning with a Victor complaining about matchmaking because we were losing. He was tied for most deaths, had the least souls on the team, and was overall the worst player on the team. That is now how I imagine 90% of people who complain about the games they're playing
>>560000632I'm loyle to my wife
>>560000838A hero that's actually op will have a high winrate regardless of shit players.
>get kicked from match>wont let me rejoin>gonna get a temp banFucking retarded
>>560000868Post full image
>>560001028Not really because you have Victor at something like 60% because low-tier players do not buy counter items.
>silver upplayers proving they are deranged once more Why are they like this?
>>560001057saving you from this shitgame
>>560000868OH GOD NOT AGAIN>turns into a melee creep>heals for 200>leaps away
>>560000181that hug looks really comfy
>>560001025>>560000632minafags don't even cry as much as silvertrannies and mina is performing way worse
>>560001142>victor downplayerAh now it makes sense.
>>560001008>>BRO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET HER TAKE THE GUARDIAN BROPeople still say this about Victor and Walkers.
>>560001008unironically yes, she goes melee only and you don’t have to buy any items to press the S key or climb up a rope. She won’t be taking the guardian as soon as she gets ult because it will still have high damage resist that early. If your guardian is already low enough that silver can kill it as soon as her ult is up you have been basically AFKing and deserve to lose lane. Only retards complain about silver.
>>560001225>reduced cooldown on ultDid she really deserve this nerf?
>>560001008Most of the cast can and frequently does dive guardians.QQ more
>>560000836Futa is trannyThere are no chicks with dicks, there are only dudes with fake tits. You're a tranny loving faggot.
>>560001008Huh guess Graves is OP this patch didn't know that
>>560001240And she's still very strong as well. Again, this is an issue with shit players. Her 1 allows her to immediately get enemy T1 creep camps right when they spawn, and heal from it. Her 3 now procs in 5 shots. 4 is a silence with no investment, procs your 3, and is a movement ability.
>>560001630She's kind of shit though.
What's that, Doorman main? You miss your 400 damage bells? The power can still be yours, if you wish to truly learn it, that is.
>>560001630>silvertranny trying to justify anything but facts and logic
>>560001545Wait what? Grave sure as hell isn't face tanking a guardian or killing you while doing it. You really gotta fuck up to get killed by graves while guardians still exist.
>>560001775Is it better to shoot the bolts directly at enemies and try to track them or shoot them upwards and then redirect down
>heroes that are weak?>they're actually good you're just bad at the game >heroes that are too strong? >they're actually bad you're just bad at the game What kind of mental illness causes this?
I think Mina is fine right now. Wraith/Calico/Doorman are so badly overturned that it’s hard to say where other characters are balance wise, the game revolves around these frauds.
>>560001859shoot above them and wait for them to panic dash
>>560001826Silvertrannies downplay Silver and say she's useless, get your terms straight. I'm saying Silver is still quite strong, just below Abrams and Shiv now. I'm also saying Mina is quite strong and the people who play her are not good.
>Yoshi really thought "-10s cd on Fire Scarabs" would undo this
>>560001856She gets free guardian the second she gets ult and all you can do is either run away or die.
>>560001630stfu dumbass you're not good enough at the game to judge whats strong or not if literally ascendant + players are underperforming on them per the statsmina is shit at winning games rnofc so is silver
>>559995949Please respond
>>560002006I don’t take your balance comments seriously because you spam the word tranny everywhere, it is indicative of mental illness
>>560000838Okay let's go by Silver's winrate for tournament tranniesHere she is, right on page 2, on EU she's at 46.7% winrate and a staggering 2.94 KDAhttps://www.deadfrag.com/events/deadlock-night-shift-eu/heroes?page=2Let's take a look at NA, the supposed better region>18.2% winrate>1.62 KDAhttps://www.deadfrag.com/events/deadlock-night-shift-na/heroes?page=2
>>560001889I will fully admit what characters are very strong with little counterplay, and vice versa. Wraith, Ivy, Calico, and Mo and Krill have very little counterplay. Graves, Holliday, Dynamo, and Bebop are not in a good state.
>>560002006>I'm also saying Mina is quite strong and the people who play her are not good.even one trick eido is not playing that shit. Link us your game then
Gonna start learning Gay Talon. Is it better to build for his 1 or should I give the owl drone strike build a try?
>>560002006Silvertrannies are the ones that upplay Silver instead of admitting she's trash.
>>559995949>>560002078you need to be super aggressive in lane in this game regardless, pepper enemies with your shots whenever you can, take melee fights if they want them, unless your lane partner is passive, in which case react accordingly and don't go too ham, if you fall behind go into farm until bounce back mode, if the enemies don't fight push em to tower and use the time to take ur small camp/boxes/sometimes gankbasically it just comes down to play the game enough until u get a natural feel for this stuff, you need to grind out normal matches and see what works
>>560002151I refuse to buy knockdown for IvyWhat the fuck Ivy is able to fly all around us...
>just give up your guardian, they literally don't matter>don't bother contesting the walker play safe man>let them take the base guardians fight in base>the shrines don't even matter bro, we can farm in base its fine>it's only tier 1 patron my dude, still winnable>okay look i know the games over, but just don't requeue can't lose if you're not in a game!
>>560002124I said it once to define what "silvertrannies" are cause he called me one.>>560002190That's not true at all. They've always downplayed Silver because they want to keep using an overtuned character without recourse.
>>560002190stop disassociating with your tranny character that literally transforms, silvertranny. Makes you seem more delusional than you already are KEK
>>560002265Look bro just don't push that walker. I know we're 2v1 and the other 5 enemies are on the opposite side of the map distracted by our team kiting them but we should actually back up and jungle.>Somehow loses our walker on that side of the map a minute later
>>560002069You do know that you can shoot the ghouls, right? Early game they die very fast and move slow. What is this, wood league?Maybe if you're playing against Graves and a top tier fed Calico that is true.
>>560002365nta but how mentally ill do you have to be to equate a werewolf transforming to a wolf with some trans lgbtqazislq+ shit get a grip
>>560002265Guardians and the laning phase of this game is probably the least consequential of any moba I’ve ever played
>>560002427>>560000565>nta>only has the same mentally ill projectionyet you have no response to >>560002190 uh huh...
>>560002460That's cause you don't understand map control and are playing in a bracket where players have no clue what to do with leads and games go to 40m anyways.
>>560002306>>560002365Silvertrannies have upplayed Silver since the day she released despite her never being particularly strong. They're just bad at the game. >>560002427Trannies are retarded like that, they're delusional enough to think they're another sex, obsessively insisting that random fictional characters are "transcoded" or refusing to accept that a hero isn't as overpowered as they think is another effect of their mental illness.
>>560002174I don't watch him but I looked it up and he played Mina two days ago. I'll even link his tier list from yesterday since you're the one that brought him up. Note the Silver and victor placements.
>>560002586????i like silver but its a fact shes trash rnhow is that relatedshes a flashy character and ritualist shitters (most of the deadlock discord for example) can't comprehend not fighting her while ult is up, so if you ask in the discord chat they'll say she was the most broken thing this game has ever seen, its a completely different mentality vs people that can actually somewhat play this game, i genuinely don't even know how to balance silver because shitters will always cry about wolf form being able to beat em 1v1 no matter what
>>560002725This is legit revisionist history on both accounts. First, she was top tier in the last patch with little recourse. Second, trannies constantly said she was bad, "but I still love playing her teehee," even within last patch.
>>560002726>Victor below fucking MirageHow do people downplay this bad yet say Silver is high-tier when they both have the same alleged counterplay?
>hurr how do I counter a stoveThis is unironically how Silver upplayers think.
they should make vindicta's assassinate a passive that executes people below a certain threshold if you land a headshot.also make her gun more like silvers and make her m2 scope in like how her ult currently does.
>>560002725dude what are u smoking, people calling silver OP aren't silver enjoyers/players, they're the ones that got shat on by her wolf formpeople never upplay their own mainbesides, pre nerf I think silver was bordering on too strong, however that changed when they decided to overbuff all the rest of the old cast, even with no changes she would go from borderline too strong to just average rn, with no changesit seems the balance team balances chars in a vacuum which is pretty strange to me but idk
>>560000582im still herenew patch has royally fucked up my timings in lane, i can't use rake nearly as aggressively as i used to since it's also my small camp instaclear. i've walked into small camp room several times just mashing 1 because i still have 2s+ on the cooldownthe 3rd retreat is unironically nice. using retreat offensively allowed you to never need t mag if you know how to manage your ammo properly, but now you can use it that way even earlier. i like it.love bites feels like a wet fart now pre-toxic bullets. it still hurts but it's not as threatening in lane. i fully admit it was oppressive in lane.im basically buying counterspell/heroic/remover every game now because doorman tourists that were abusing him immediately post-patch would just buy slowing hex and hotel me off-cooldown as a default combo for everyone.. my movement is decent and i've escaped even with hex on multiple times, but it's still a pain in the assher midgame feels stronger, her late game feels REALLY bad, especially going into shit like mcginnis or wraith that will easily outscale you or kill your movement for free.i use slightly modified cosmetical build but it's just modified to have green options on main page without having to go into shop pages for themoverall, rough patch. was running a 50-52% winrate prior to this patch with about 350 games played. now at 48%. im trying other heroes while still having her high prio. played vindicta/lash/kelvin when i started playing in 2024. vindicta back in my roster after rework, trying warden and venator as well. venator needs gun buffs unironically. he feels middling as a gun carry, not great or bad. also, viscous punch build is turbo aids btw and if you use it, you should kys. it's not celeste's daggers and has the best displacement attached to it in game, so i don't know why it's being treated like daggers, and when the choice is "buy rebuttal in lieu of rite, and don't miss a parry" or "die", it feels terrible to play against.
>>560002882>she was top tier in the last patch with little recourseLMAO literally the easiest hero in the game to counter
>>560002150Silver upplayers conveniently ignore this lmao
>Valve's idea of a hooker that identifies with American culture is a LoL rip off of Blitzcrank and not a lot lizard?
>>560002961It's some retard or troll who calls people who hate silver "silvertrannies"
>>560002961>it seems the balance team balances chars in a vacuumalso much like how rn apollo is still good, and still played at every ELO, but no one even complains about him because the 6-7 old heroes that were overbuffed are raping all lobbies, apollo is basically average in comparison>>560003189>people who hate silver "silvertrannies"that's just confusing
>Yamato ults>nobody says "And a ching chong ding dong to you too lady"This game is so unrealistic
Why haven't they buffed graves gun
>>560002726>I'm also saying Mina is quite strong and the people who play her are not good.>he played Mina two days ago>entire tier below Silverso is eido not good or wrong about mina being a tier below silver?
>>560003312Needs an alt-fire like Yamato's bomb thing. Any flying character fucks her up.
>>560003116riot does not have a monopoly on stretch-arm-extendo-fingers robots, and bebop's model is still completely unchanged from his neon prime version.
>>560002961>people calling silver OP aren't silver enjoyers/playersCorrect, they're silvertrannies upplaying Silver because they're too retarded to counter her. They're the subhuman retards that I've seen insist that a female character is "trans" for no reason, just like trannies do all the time, therefore they are silvertrannies. They upplay her because they're too retarded to climb ropes or walk away from the melee character.Pre nerf Silver was perfectly fine, higher cooldown or slower build up on ult was the only nerf she realistically "needed".
>barely nerf wraith and calico>random buffs to seven and warden for no reasonare they retarded?
>>560003279lash should say this
>>560003372I accept your concession.
>silvertrannies are upplaying>silvertrannies are downplayingAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>560003372Out of the two, wrong. But in the sense that people who main a character always have bias.
>>560003116bebop may be many things but he is not a whore
>>559999502Wouldn't it be the other way around? Silver's winrate has always been over 50% at like eternus and only goes under 50 at low ranks.
>>560003507>>560003531this will make you very angry KEK
>>560003425>higher cooldown or slower build up on ult was the only nerf she realistically "needed"true desu, the balance seem not only balances in a vacuum but seems very all or nothinglike either change a lot of shit at once or don't touch itidk if this is dota balance or what but its not very good, every time when u change half the cast at once u should consider how it impacts the other half of the characters not just nerf them too while ur at it as if the game didn't changethey could have left all the new heroes as is, and still the ones lobby raping would be calico/wraith/visc/doorman etc rn
Holy kek we actually won this one, Inspermus carried us, and Drifter told me I have shitty items
>>560003682Nerf Silver
>>560003604People at high rank know that high winrate heroes are actually bad, all you need to do is buy counter items. That's why Victor is bad in eternus despite being like 55% winrate.
There's a new update. 500mb. Where to see the logs?
>Take 40% of a character's gun damage away>"Hmm I wonder why they suck now. They must need another 10s cd on their worst ability"
>>560003449the buffs in question>Seven: Lightning Ball charge time reduced from 8s to 7s>Seven: Storm Cloud T3 increases speed from +3m to +4m>Warden: Last Stand Bullet and Spirit Resist while channeling reduced from 60% to 50%>Warden: Last Stand T3 now also increases Bullet and Spirit Resist while channeling by +30%waow
I wish Graves was good...
>>560003756>Victor is bad in eternus
>>559999405Where can someone get this mod
>>560003372Also, to be clear, I think Silver should be A, below Shiv and Abrams. She's definitely not as good as them now. Billy is S, and Mo and Krill are top tier.
>>560002006>>560002174>>560002726>>560003372someone posted a video of sanya_sniper playing mina and getting absolutely fucking dumpstered by a victormina is complete fucking trash and isn't even remotely strong even in the hands of pro esports gaymers with far better aim and gamesense than anyone in /dlg/
>>560003859Yes, just buy counter items. Silver is overpowered though despite never having a winrate that high in any rank.
>>560003861Not out yet, just requested on Gamebanana currently. You can get a white Calico on gamebanana now though. Use the Deadlock Mod Manager cause it's a huge pain to apply skins the other way.
>>560003803Don't see any, might just be a bugfix/undocumented changes
>>560003859McSlampig chads...
>>560003995Already got that one along with removing Celeste tattoos, mods are slowly healing the game
>>560003803https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/22296650/
>>560003991a char with 57% wr isn't bad it means they win 57% of matches they're in, even in eternuswhich is hugeidk how you measure balance in ur dumbass head but its not accurate to how real data works, victor rn is OP in all ELO
>>560003840they are buffs and the point is why? they were fine before this
>hero that has been garbage for months finally gets buffs (doorman)>gets to be playable for 1 week>gets nerfed instantly even though his winrate is literally 50% becasue of whiners on redditThis same shit would happen in Dota all the time fuck me man I just want to play a utlity character that isnt paige/ivy
>>560002150Those same stats also say Abrams has a 36.7% winrate. Do you think he's weak? It's almost like there's not a lot of competition and each region has one clearly standout team that shits on everybody else so when the underdogs always get first pick over the reigning champions they'll naturally grab the strongest characters and tank their winrates.
>open /dlg/>the same retards day in day out screeching about how victor is underpowered and easily countered despite him being a menace in the highest level of games and having one of the highest winrate percentages in said highest level of games>these same retards are probably the same ones downplaying calico, downplaying wraith, downplaying doorman and upplaying silver, upplaying shiv, upplaying graves, upplaying mina etc.starting to get tired of this
>Moss and grass around the map>Hollidays gun sounds chunkier and more satisfying>Paradox bomb gets bass boosted and sounds betterWhat other changes didn't make it into the patch notes?
>>560004063LOL, I got the Celeste tattoo removal too. I don't think black Wraith is even that bad, but they should do something where you can see the puppet arms better. Best part of her model.
>>560004091>milimetric changes to seven>warden still explodes after channelingstfu nigger
Is there a mod that can turn Lady Geist into ALEXIS FAWX or someone like her?
But you guys told me icefrog patches were always crazy buffs so everyone is OP. Why so many nerfs all of a sudden?
>>560003991You people are either retarded or dishonest to the point that you're deluded
>>560003756yeah they're so bad they only win 55+% of the time even in eternus 4+
>>560003695It's not Dota balance, Dota balance is shit like >+5 movespeed >spell 1 +15 damage To 90% of heroes and >spell 1 and 2 merged >new spell>old third spell is now ultimate >old ult us now 3rd spell >-5 movespeed To the rest
>>560003991>"just buy counter items bro"Do you retards not understand the character is one of the tankiest chars in the game, the character has 3 debuff removers whenever he wants and if you go through all that he has a second fucking life. The character will just outscale anyone in the game and now he has a fairly good early game to pair that up with. Other than just getting a better draft there is very little you can do if you can't end the game at 20 mins which against good players should be impossible.
>>560004107sorry but getting forever doored is the most annoying shit in the universe, doorman should be nerfed into the dirt
i just played metro's gun victor build and this shit was ass, i felt like a lamer version of wraithokay, it was actually pretty good, but i still felt like a weaker wraith and lost to a wraithso spirit build is still the go to?
>>560004246everyone has their identity which makes it OP by design. you think Mirage teleporting around the map won't be OP at some point? now go back to league where they enforce lane swap detection
>>559997875>debuff removerSo you're not only seething about vindicta, but a shit one too.
the victor posters and victor defenders are 50% ritualists ragebaiting and 50% trannies masquerading as women, easily the most annoying fanbase and way more retarded than ivyfags and silverfags
>>560004364you could say that about more than half the characters in the roster if thats how you feel just stop playing
>>560004445at best you just put ballistic on his aura with fleetfoot and otherwise run spirit.
>>560004480>you think Mirage teleporting around the map won't be OP at some point?Honestly yesMap is too small for it to be effectiveDouble so if you can just play Celeste/Ivy/Calico and zoom around the map.
>>560004071>>560004274>>560004330I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of pretending Silver was overpowered while heroes can have over 55% winrate and still be "bad" because of le counter items. Silver was good, not "shitcan this hero NOW" overpowered.
>>560004509no the only thing comparable is mo & skill, and at least I can pretend my team will save me and he doesn't have his ult on permanent uptime
>>560004445>i just played metro's gun victor build and this shit was assThat's what you get for listening to a pedophile lmao
>>560004526the metro build u genuinely had wraith tier damage and fire rate on the nail gun shit was ridiculous, but end of the day she has infinite ammo u don'tspirit is far more braindead to play
Wraith Warden or Graves?
Victor's primary job should be tanking, not going palpatine on the enemy team.
>>560004213No, nothing great for her yet. There is an autistic anime horse gacha game guy that made a skin for every girl, but it's an anime horse girl. Geist does have a simple "no shawl" skin which really improves her model though, imo.
>>5600044454.8k gun early is pretty common now, anything more than that is retarded
>>560004667well metro is retarded so don't put it past him to unironically think you build the obvious spirit carry as gun. probably goes spirit on his haze too.
>>560004636Fuck GravesMarry WardenKill Wraith
I think paradox's ult should be re-adjusted to 15 meters range and a little longer cooldown. It's ridiculous as is, I have to spend 1 stamina to dash away and every minute or so and it's really ruining my lane. On top of that it's absurd that she can just nuke you across the entire lane for 90 damage every 20 seconds, and then there is her wall, unbelievable that she can just stand there behind it for 5 seconds and I can do nothing about it.
for anyone that buys the egg is there a start for it or just sell when it has a high value 2k?>>560004164no one downplays the first three you mentionedi want graves to be buffed she's dogshitdont care about shiv and mina>>560004445the most you can do out of hybrid is cult sac and kinect dash (zzerial's build)
>>560004793>unbelievable that she can just stand there behind it for 5 seconds and I can do nothing about it.Wow, she can stand still for 5 seconds. Riveting
>>559999770>What ifWhat do you mean, greendicta is realI play her all the time
>>560000362It's 5 minutes in
>>560003854pedophile
>>560004667>>560004761the build was this simply out dpsd by the wraith
>>560004193>Moss and grass around the mapwhere the fuck are you seeing grass and moss? I've been playing all morning and I have not seen any difference.
>>560004330Silencer and Inhibitor are really key for neutralizing Victor. Silencer can't really be removed since it's just one bullet to reapply it. Same with Crippling Headshot really. Inhibitor can be removed at the highest buildup, but it'll be reapplied quite quickly with high fire-rate characters.
>>560004193Geist's gun sounds like a cap gun now.
>>560004597>Silver was good, not "shitcan this hero NOW" overpowered.Yea that's true
>>560005014
>>560004193>>560005025the moss and grass is an ivy bug i'm pretty sure, the kudzu bombs remain visually for some reason
>>560005014if you went 13-11 the builds clearly shit
>trying out paige>lane partner is calicothat felt dirtyasshole didnt even help me then it turned out he was black so it made sense
>>560005167metro rly likes this blood tribute shit btwits on all his m1 buildsthe health drain is small but sometimes forget to toggle that shit off
>>560004210>buffs but i will act like they arentget raped negro, this are buffs and unnecessary at that
Here's a little tip:If there's a debate over whether or not a character is too strong and if they needed to be nerfed, then it likely didn't need to be nerfed, especially when nothing concrete backs up the pro-nerf argument
>>560005167this is shrimply engagement bait by metro, I will not give him what he wants and get upset
>Another day of waifu fag tourists madling about patchie Can you sliver fags crawl back to overwatch or rivals? I hate reading these wood elo posts of sliver fags pretending to know what balance is when they only got into the game a month ago kek.
>>560005178I see. The only bug I had is arenas in the middle of each lane were covered in like glowing pink shit. Like there was a shader missing or something.
>graves goes for boxes 24/7 leaving me alone in laneyeah man great strategy let victor and seven have complete dominance
>Ruins lane by not doing anything and only self-casting plot armor, therefore i'm fucked anytime I go in as lash and need to play mega passively... as lash...>feeds the rest of the gameGod I fucking hate Paige players man.
>zerggy: "yeah puddle punch is really strong now, and whiffing a parry feels bad especially when on ping">vegas: 3 straight minutes of on-stream rant autistic screeching + "git gud" + "he's the only character that gets nerfed the longer a patch goes on" + "just buy rebuttal and parry 5 times" + "im not saying this to ego"this "pro scene" is a fucking joke lmao
>>559996443>>queue
>>560005554This game having a "pro scene" is a joke, by the time this game officially releases it will be completely different and have a lot more characters. The "pros" now will likely by top level pub stars while actual pros will dumpster them, just like Dota
>>560005453>Seven player trying to talkThis nigga is boosted.
Mid Boss has arrived!
>be wagie with long commute>only able to play a few matches a night>can't get into a flow with the heroes I like when you play w different ones once each then have to sleepkill me
>>560005535>graves trying to lane against fucking victor and seveni don't blame the graves for going boxes i would do the same
personally i'm really enjoying playing against victor every single game, it's really really fun.
>>560005885Bröl bröter
>>560005554Goo players are the most shameless fuckers alive what else is new
>>560006005This has always been the case tho
>>560005751these chat bubbles where more sovlful...i can really hear lash saying that, not with the new ones tho.
>>560005014>>560005167It's just not worth it compared to his spirit builds right now, especially since pain battery hits like a truck.
>>560005885just play brawl
>>560005716early e-sports scenes in games like this always end up being the case of people getting in early and streaming, then when they can't hang at the top levels of competition anymore they simply stream fulltime and make $10k a day>>560006067that's victor players thougheverbeit
>>560006113what the fuck are you on about the chat bubbles are almost exactly the same fucking thing except now they're color coded and have a character icon on them you dumb fucking autistic nigger
>>560006289>of people getting in early and streamingpretty genius, if i was good enough to be E6 i'd 100% do the same, people will watch just for seeing E6 gameplay
>>560005554>those guys>prosLOL
Why does a golem built for working in a scrap yard have a big ass hyper beam
>>560006446i mean that's assuming you have top tier skills and/or a good personality or whatever, for every xqc that makes it big there's 1000 other former e-sports faggots that end up streaming to 10 viewers making $2 a month before they inevitably fuck off from the internet
>>560006756>Bebop! You are not a gun!
this general is even more gay than all the threads on >>>/lgbt/ combined wtf is wrong with you faggots?
Cute!
>>559999405I had an idea of white Wraith wearing dark red instead of dark purple and and being hearts suit themed, but this is also good.
>>560005554Vegas is right. Only "pro" that shits on other creators so he's automatically the best.
even with the hotfixes it feels like every game there's at least one character on the enemy team that is just a fun black hole that kills any enjoyment you might have had with the match
>let's see here victor got NERFED, calico got NERFED, wraith got NERFED, mcginnis got NERFED so that means they'll be bad now right?lollmaonice "nerfs"
>>560007150>last 24 hours
>>560006959>gay>lgbt boardnah that's exclusively a tranny board. gays don't want to associate with those grooming freaks.
This general is so brainwashed by winrate percentages. I'm sure someone's onetrick vindicta or grey talon would farm most of the people posting winrates.
>>560007532grey talons a dishonest nigger character that takes no brain to play
>>560007505Yeah this is a thread for MEN who either want other MEN or want to impregnate WOMEN
>>560007532you get farmed by victor and calico every game lil gup
>>560007532Actually no one plays the game they just come here to complain.
>>560005167i thought of this while showering so i don't know how good it is, but if i were to do gunslop it'd probably be something like this. granted i have 0 idea how to build for m1 because i can't aim so idk what are the powerspike itemsi fail to see the purpose of gun for victor because none of his abilities have any synergy with it, the ult t1 is good but it's on cooldown so if you go in to shot people they will just melt youspirit is just more fun, idk what metro was thinking with that build. blood tribute is such a meme item and frenzy reads to me like an essential item for gun victor
>>560007150Those characters are not called "Silver", so they don't get properly nerfed
>>560007616true as long as the men and women are animals
>passive tether still gives 2m move speed even if solophew
Stake aids Vindicta is back and better, but people haven't noticed apparently
Fortitude still a meme?
>>560007868What is stake aids vindicta
>>560004920
>>560007841Do you even like playing nu ivy
Will some mina fag report a bug, mercurial magnum fire rate buff goes away when she uses sanguine retreat.
is Calico still turbo Hitler?
>>560008124You stake them twice while vomiting a billion resist shred in an aoeReally good if your team has their monitors turned on
>>560005716Dota had years of esports (if primative) before dota 2.Many big dota 1 players were big in dota 2, including multiple TI winners.There was also a lot that didn't make the transition well though
hmmm... i'll play overwatch as sojourn, ashe, mercy and juno until they fix deadlock and nerf all the op dogshit
>>560008145if you think the fucking WALL is OP in lane you are genuinely delusional
>>560008178vanilla ivy with mod slots was cool as fuck, i had like 60% winrate
>>560008225I swore never to report a bug ever again after the cool kids super secret playtest was leaked. I will instead hoard and exploit.
>>560008225It's so random too, sometimes it goes away sometimes it doesn't.
>>560008282enjoy your 14 day chat ban when you use the voice commands too many times in the middle of a team fight
>>560008282BACK TO SHIELD HEAL POKESLOP, BLIZZTRANNY
>>560002726These steam niggers never put their mains in S tier, even when they're destroying ladder.
>>560008570They always put their mains in B tier to be safe.
>>560008570Fully agree, they really can't help but be biased.
>>560003695>idk if this is dota balance or what but its not very goodIts dota balance on crack, because its an alpha of an unfinished game and the developers are obviously still experimenting.You want a more stable game then don't play an alpha
I carry as Geist. AMA
>>560008243I see, interesting
>hooks you>attaches a 200 damage bomb to you>it explodes, dealing 100 damage because of resistances>you heal it back up in 3 seconds>now does nothing for the next 23 seconds till the next hookhow the fuck to we fix bebop
>shield heal pokeslobro, your paige?
>>560008814What tier do you put her in
>>560008897Shitbot's WR would tank to 40% if everyone just fought him instead of running away when he blows everything
>>560008921>brown Velma
>>560008897>attaches a 200 damage bomb to you>it explodes, dealing 100 damage because of resistances>you heal it back up in 3 secondshow does it feel being a lying disingenious nigger subhuman?
>>560008921>black velmatells me all about you for actually saving this slop
>>560008946Absolute top. Number one hero, she's the main character. Like literally.
>>560008805how is this an alphaits clearly a betagame's almost finishedfew more months of open beta and its probably releasing
yup, Calico is still ass cancer
>>560009016nta but lmfao youre right>attaches bomb>I counterspell and hos entire kit ceases to function outside of being a hookbot.>lolThink he's getting an overhaul too honestly
>>560008897Rework remove bomb give him some identity as supporting hook man rather than all over the place guy that gets shutdown by counterbuy
Bullet Resist Shredder needs an upgrade for my debuff maxing build
Reading these threads makes me wonder if you really play the game at all, because Graves is so OP and no-one's talking about it.
>>560008805>alphaTired of this lie. They (and (YOU)) can't hide behind it anymore. Not since Old Gods. That is a named update. Might as well be 1.0.
>>560009343whats the idea for this build? i was thinking about an aidsmaxxing build as well
>>560008000Takes too long to activate.
Idea for a bebop reworkUppercut replaced with proximity explosives: bebop can place an explosive on the ground that detonates when an enemy enters the aoeDisarming taser trap: places an electric trap that disarms the enemy when they enter the aoeCriticality: bebop's batteries overcharge, he explodes doing massive damage and killing himselfRemote explosives: bebop places a bomb that can be remote detonated
>>560009384Trash like she should be now.Fuck that character and let her always be a bad baby mode for people to move on from
Give wolf form 5% innate res + 15% res on first boon
>>560009230He can kick you away for a reason
>>560009431its more of a cope, they think the game will change substantially before release while current ver is basically how release will beall thats missing is updating the old models and map fluff, and jungle rework, all doable within 6 months max
>>560009230>there's a larger chance his hook + uppercut combo gets reworked instead of trashing his fucking scaling bomb that does nothing half the time
>>560009537celois
>>560009471Fuck off nigger that hero was deleted for a reason. No one likes mines and traps nor playing around them. Ruining a whole match for the other players just because (((You))) want to have "fun" is retarded.
>>560009384>because Graves is so OP and no-one's talking about it.way to out yourself as an initiate seekerjust walk away niggajust social distance yourself niggathe zombies take 2 hits and they die the skulls instapop if you breathe in their directionher gun does fuckall for damage even if she builds for it
>>560009384She is the weakest hero in the game right now lol
Paradox swap should just be targetted instead of a projectile. They can nerf damage if they really want to compensate
>>560009672KEK this guy got hostaged into a 2hr dota match
>>560008178it can be a bit boring at times but ya
>>560009384I like it when she feeds me free 500 souls worth of ghouls.
Looks like the buffs weren't enough for me to be able to do damage as Doorman.
>>560009672TrvkeIt's a character for sadistic third worlder filth
>>560009537We're making sloppy joes
>>560009434It's not a carry build but if you have innate lockdown+debuffs, you can get Alch fire, healbane, slowing bullets, and a bunch of slow/resist shred debuffs on spirit damage and anyone you hit just turns into shit for your team to clean up if they can't dispel. I think it's more practical than trying to support with healing, though Rescue Beam is handy since you'll usually have expansion too.
Towers are so weak right now, feels like taking a teamfight while a lane is pushed means you are basically losing a tower and you always need to lanejanny because of course nobody else in the team will do it.
>>560009892allahuakbar, welcome to iran, goy
>>560009384She got some minuscule nerfs after coming out so all the easy mode shitters have been crying like bitches since then. There is no other character as oppressive in lane.
>>560009384Seeker retard >>560009761Initiate retard>>560009494Doesn't even play the game because Graves is harder to play than over half the cast.
>>560009892Playing against techies was mental 4d chess. You try to bait him into blowing up an illusion, you can try to outplay him by blinking out of the aoe the moment you heard him trigger them.Or you can just be an mmrlet like you and facetank them, die and cry about how he's imba
>>560010069>Doesn't even play the game because Graves is harder to play than over half the cast.turn on your monitor and plug in your mouse, retard
>>560010029>lane oppressionCalico? Victor?
Any other Radiatn Regeneration enjoyers? I build it right after Torment Pulse on Celeste and it feels amazing right now
>>560010069>Graves is harder to play than over half the castyour post was lookin respectable until thisalchemist retard
>>560010198>victor>oppressive in lanePick one.
>>560010069I will listen to your opinion if you explain to me what makes the swap better than bebops hook
>>560010308Its a sleeper hit on Spirit Abrams. I never see anyone use it though.
>>560010396It do damage
>>560010308I like it on Yamato, experimenting with maxxing her 3 with it
>>560009936Particularly funny on Vinny since you force them to buy dispel and unstoppable to escape the two stakes and like 40% shred, and your fire covers an entire city block with the range buff on flight
>>560010480See the caveat of my post then
>>560010178Don't get pissy because I'm right. She's a melee ranged hero who only has 3 abilities, 2 of which you have little to no control over, 2 stamina, the worst hard CC in the game, unless you're doing zone denial, and(probably) the longest reload time. She's too difficult for most people to win with outside of the lowest MMR brackets. >>560010110>cry about how he's imbaNo one ever thought techies was too strong. He's the antithesis of fun. If he's on your team you're playing a man down. If you're against him you're playing for an hour just to win. Having a characters whole identity be "annoying" will never be something people want in the game. Coupled with the fact that it's always spics and russians playing him and you have double the reason to rework.
>>560010526run 3maxx yamato with witchmail and only spam 3 so every witchmail proc hits the 3
Thank you Yoshi for giving back Lash some of his power.
>>560010630Rem is designed to be annoying althobeit dingaling
>>560010630KEEEEK its the shitter who doesn't know how to counter techies and think graves is hard to pilot. Being a weak hero is not the same as difficult to play
>>560010396It's not better at all wdym. Bebop is a disgusting hero who doesn't need to exist. Paradox doesn't need her ability targeted because if it was you would be guaranteed a kill every time it's up. Throwing a bomb and wall at your feet then flicking up and mashing would be a kill on a 60 second CD. When bebop hooks you you're not guaranteed to die. You can debuff removal or counter spell. Targeted CC has no place in this game period, things like Doormans new ult or Krill ult can be removed too. >>560010319Close I'm asc 2 Paradox one trick
>>560011042>one trickso you're brain damagedno wonder you think graves is hard to play
>>560011042I like Bebop as a character (style, backstory, voice acting) but his kit needs to be completely reworked
I only Brawl as the moba mode is actually way too boring.
>>560005924it'd make sense if we were losing lane hard but we got a kill at like min 3 and then he was still going to get boxes
>>560011136HE EXPOSED HIMSELF LMAO CAN'T EVEN HOLD M1 OR SUMMON AUTO ATTACKING ZOMBIES SKULLS
>>560011136She's objectively harder to play than over a dozen characters. All you've done is seethe and say "NOOOO YOU'RE WRONG BUT I'M A RETARDED TRANNY WHO CAN'T SAY WHY"
>>560011357she's objectively not
>>559998702Actually my win rate on Silver is 35%
>>560011203Glad someone is saying it. PVE mode is so boring. Dotards will be mad but Brawl is the real deadlock and you can't change my mind.
This last hotfix deleted all my builds...
>>560011357its completely braindead to play the skulls/zombies play themselves and there's no aim requiredall u have to do is slide around and hold m1elaborating why feels really retarded when its obvious graves is a beginner characterstop trolling
I was running straight towards bebop, shooting at him and then he hooked me and I died, they need to rework his entire kit now
graves is easy to play, underpowered and should get buffed
graves should have bugger tits, that's her buff
Give Graves back Zeus's ult and move tombstone to 3
>wraith is still stupid opFUCKING WHY
i havent been following anything or reading any patch notes but the game feels shit after the last patch
every streamer is as insufferable as this general.
>>560011810stop being racist, chud
>>560011810and calico and doorman and mcginnis literally nothing changed
>>560011543Reductionist argument. You can say you just have to "slide around and hold M1" about half of the cast. Graves still had a penalty for not aiming and she can't headshot. Try again.
>>560011661TRVTH>>560011728NVKE
>>559999735The Boss will be them instead of yakuza, God willing
>>560011905That only applies to vyper
this piggy guy has a cute accentkinda need a scandi gf or femboy bf
>>560011839only vegas and metro. you're self exposing
How the hell do you kill No&Skill in lane? They have so much health from minute one that unless the player is a legitimate retard, you can’t deal enough damage with a normal hero
>>560010069>because Graves is harder to play than over half the cast.Almost but not quite
>>560008897Let him put a bomb on himself again, but only one.If he echo shards another 1 then the first one drops to the ground.
retards in here think micro difficulty = macro difficulty
>>560004107>Doorman can only be good if he can throw 400 damage bells every 15 seconds 5 minutes into the gameFuck off
>wraith gets 3,200 worth of slowing hex for free with her ult>and it's also a forced movement>and a ministunmake it make sense?
>>560012056Kill their lane partner instead
>>560010308I'm kinda liking it on tanky mirage
>lets ruin the game with gay british jews!
I like venator’s laugh when you set a trap
>>560012075Move Haze, Wraith and Seven to easierMove Ivy to harder
>>560011942Man Peaky Blinders is a complete mental K.O. for cultureless spics isn't it? That is perfect.
>>560012226>>560011879understood?
im so tired of people not shooting the lasso'd enemy im so tired ofi t
>>560011453I'll go further and say they need to add deathmatch. No items all level 1 all skills unlocked.
>>560012286Also for rusnigs
>>560011042If that's your preferred design philosophy that makes sense, but as you mention there are several other targetted cc ults already in the game
>>560012336use your mic
>>560012270wraith is just overtuned, her cards pretty much require line of sight the entire travel time and she still needs to aim at least unless she cucks you with her ult
Yo can Gun Spy get a teensy crumb of a buff please YOSHIGOD? Please big dawg?
I had a really bad day at work if I get leavers again in my team im gonna lose it
>>560012270They're harder because they require consistent headshots to do damage, maybe not wraith but my opinion is prebuff. I only play spirit ivy so I'm biased you just lob 5 kudzu into the ground and alch fire to delete the enemy team >>560012225People downplaying the baroness in favor of the bell is crazy to me. 10 second CD ult that stuns you rapes your stamina removes you from the team fight, isn't affected by counter spell and auto kills 2 stam heros is insane to me.
give us FFA and a special map for it
>>560012378May I suggest the following:>Payload mode>12k soul cap>may buy and sell as desired in shop
>>560011357Truth.She's only difficult when you are not paying attention to her or what she's doing. The minute you do she's essentially a free kill. No escape abilities. 2 out of 4 of her abilities are destructible with melee or gunfire. She's slow and her M1 is the shortest max range in the game. Its not even exceptionally powerful. The trade off instead is the lock on. If a Graves drops a tombstone on a lane you can actually just shoot the zombies for free souls.
>>560012545man deadlock is NOTHING like gunzweirdest comparison ever
>>560012493>auto kills 2 stam herosbro your stamina mastery?
>entire team of russians and eastern europeans who cant stop arguing dont help and just play TDM starts shitting on me for every single thing i dodisconnected i'll take the penalty fuck that firewall russia
>>560012607You were cooking until soul cap. 12k is literally not enough to enjoy the game make it 25k
>>560012487>employedWhy are you playing PVE mode at all?
>>560012607ah yes just what we need, another TF2!
>>560012696it's obviously nothing like it but it's the closest modern game to that f2p tps era with gunz s4 league
>>560012545Based>>560012696Cringe take, more games should strive to be like Gunz
Paradox went from doing nothing to actually obliterating people and no one is talking about it.
>>56001273420k is fine too, that would be max 3 t4 items that's a good idea.
>>560012487I highly recommend street brawl after work.
Slows should disable stamina usage, I'm really tired of "slowing" someone and they just dash/slide away like nothing happend.
>>560012784Yes.
>>560012839>>560012797gunz was cool but it was one of those fun to talk about games but no one actually played it, kinda like titanfallin gunz's case it was because the skill floor was too high no one enjoyed playing that shit unless u were a movement sperg
>>560010198>CalicoI'm talking about characters not obvious developer oversights.>VictorHe's definitely better than downplayers say but still not as bad as Graves shitting out a million zombies near your guardian.
>>560012974i'd rather just play TF2
>>560012784Exactly! Just make TF2 w/deadlock movement and items. That would be super fun
>zero in-houses
>>560012883since there's zero MM or ranking, many matches feel just outright unwinnable/uncarryable
>>560013010Deadlock movement tho
>>560010887Your retarded style of expression is not making a good case for Techies.
>>560012893Seeker opinion. Stamina usage should NEVER be disabled period. It's a core mechanic of the game and as soon as Yoshit started removing player agency the game started feeling alot worse. Slowing hex reducing dash disatance is retarded. Having 3 characters that turn off your stamina is retarded. Having characters that remove your stamina is RETARDED. At least he started undoing some of it but then he gave doornigger the ability instead.
>>560012883nta but I just can't enjoy street brawl at all, I get it's supposed to be casual but it's too dependent on item RNG and hero picks to be fun
>>560012989>fun to talk about games but no one actually played it, kinda like titanfallI played ijji and LG gunz you literal double nigger.
>>560012607First to three points Getting a point increases your cap by 4k and the enemy cap by 6k
i'd take a fed victor over calico any day what an annoying cunt jesus christ
>>560013065>there's zero mmYou literally play in your own bracket. I've asked in around 6 matches what rank people are and they're always asc-phantom
what lane is the most "do nothing" lane? by that i mean which lane enemies would result in the lane where the optimal plan is to play the game as little as possible
>>560013308Any lane with Rem in
Slows are stupid because when everyone buys sprint boots and it's upgrade thats a permanent resist to slow effects. What's the point
yes i main mina and graves exclusively whilst using gooner modsyes my favorite game was the specialists
>>560013308there's no such thing in deadlock, there's no lane roles, they play the same
>>560013065But they're over quickly instead of having to wait to lose for half an hour past it is obvious.
>>560012336stop diving in and lassoing people out of my range then
>>560013308Any combination of No&Skill, Kelvin, Rem, and Miku
>>560013135now realize how aids it would be to do any objective like that with all of the AOE spam concentrated into one spot
>>560013308i just came back from a bepop/calico enemy lane and did nothing early gameim victor my lane partner was rem that maxed pillow first and didn't use 3 to push instead stole our sinners
>>560013176Nah, fuck mobilitynigsI buy slowing hex every game just to rape you
>>560013275based on what statlocker shows, that is definitely not the case
>>560013308>by that i mean which lane enemies would result in the lane where the optimal plan is to play the game as little as possiblecalicovictorwraithinfernusvindictagray talonrempaige
>>560013229Great idea. I would play the shit out of this mode. Also quick respawns likenin TF2. Like 10-15 seconds max.
>>560012147Micro difficulty makes macro difficulty harder because you have to also focus on the former while a character with no micro difficulty can focus exclusively on macro. The two are not separate. A Graves player can be lasering you down while looking at their minimap and thinking about their next move. A Mina player cannot.
>>560012893>>560013176
>>560013552an item that you can miss. wraith gets that for free with her ult that's just a unit target.
>>560013308McGinnis and WraithYour game plan is to die fewer than 10 times while they push your walker by 8 minutes.
>>560012075>cunnyshe is basically a hag
>>560012893Nigger. Why not be better at the game instead of requiring your enemies to be disabled for you. >>560013513I agree with this. Apollo should start with zero stamina.
>>560012001they are all boring and constantly complain.
>>560013541Kek niggers ITT really upplay how hard Graves magnets you have to track still retard you can miss and lose ammo. Her gun actually has bugs that need fixed too. Where it will shoot, but not drain ammo or do damage and animation lock still.
I just want a character where their bullets passively deal spirit damage at all times. I don't care how little the damage is.
>>560012893Slows are just very inconsistent in general. They should all do the same shit: slow movement speed, lower dash and jump distance and cause you to be heavier/more gravity. I also feel like slow should slow your stamina regen, not stop it.
glad to see that Cass managed to land another leading role after New Vegas. I know times have been harsh on her
>>560013429I think it would be fun as long as respawn timers were low enough
>>560013824That's literally Mina.
>>560013842What did you mean by this
>>560013824That's literally Vindicta
>>559999870MOI OWN FOOKING HORSE A RACIST
>>560013914Mina does a big burst and her spirit damage goes on cd if you land enough hits.>>560013965On a cd even if it's a fake one almost equal to the duration.
>>560013176This. Wraith's stamina disable is completely absurd.
>>560014007just get cdr and duration on seven
>>560013541Who do you think has it harder, Graves trying to push while Calico could be anywhere or Calico walking up to the lane and assassinating her?
when are they adding new sprays?
>>560012449if they dont hear the loud ass lasso and voice line why would that help?
>/dlg/ will say Capacitor isn't good because you can miss the projectile before turning around and saying Crippling Headshot is busted because you can just hit the head 100% of the time if you're not bad
BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
>>560013935it's just literally the same archetype
>>560010308I use it to proc healing tempo on Vin and use it as a (costy) alternative to burst fire, pretty fun, love the sound effect.
>>560012871even though they nerfed the fuck out of her?
bunnymaxxing magician full of greensthink about it
>>560014203you communicate that you're going in beforehand, autist. That is how teamwork works
>>560013824no and die
>>559952313Had a bug where enemy Drifter managed to teleport behind me to the hotel and we had a little fight but when it kicked me out he stayed behind and was stuck there until he killed himself.
>>560014385SUCH A LOVELY PLAAAAAACE~
>>560013842Leave Sergeant Angua the fuck alone
>/dlg/ keeps saying that Seven is OP>Yoshi buffs him
>>560014105That's a cooldown ability and two items I don't want to buy on my brain-off gunnigger.
>>560014620He already had the highest winrate in literally all ranks
Haze is Missing
>>560014620Knockdown.
>>560014365I miss melee magician
>>560014747>he thinks Seven's ult is what he needs to worry aboutconfirmed Alchemist
>>560014740another success for the secret Seven Discord cabal.
>spend 30-60 minutes against wraith and calico knowing I'm going to lose>or spend <10 minutes dealing with area denial spam
>Like playing Haze because she is the most aim intensive hero in the game>She was good for one patch one time so now she is dogshit forever from how buckbroken everyone was over that one patch
When are they adding enhanced items to normal deadlock?
>>560014671Just put a weight on the power surge key so it's used automatically
>>560014997Streetbrawl is so bad with how much they buffed lingering AoEs, every match is Ivy, Geist, Paradox, Paige deleting every minion the fucking attosecond they land on the ground it's so aids
>>560013176>muh agencyhero shooter mentalityget chainstunned and gang banged you dumb whore. it's a strategy team game not a spectacle fighter
>>560015029once they add the objective that allows you to enhance a random item
>>560015029never hopefullyI want Dotards OUT of this game
>>560015029next update
>>560015020>she is the most aim intensive hero in the gamethat would be vindictaevery single thing in deadlock has super generous hitboxesexcept vindicta ultthat shits bullet is the size of a rice grain, requires you to be hyper accurate to make it work, idk how vindictas do it, i find her the hardest to play hero
>>560015079they need a map specifically for brawl and actually put an effort in rebalancing aoe skills for that mode
>>560014995How do I join?I've been a Seven Main for just over 1.5 years, and have over 1,000 games played on him..
>>560015204>idk how vindictas do it10 thousand hours playing snipers in other games, aimhacks, or both
>>560013824mirage
>>560015204And Vindicta has to work that hard for damage other heroes get for free
>>560015029>Sinners Sacrifice now has a true RNG jackpot system>jackpot randomly enhances an item in your inventory>the limit of enhanced items in your inventory is X>super secret ultra jackpot is a legendary item
>>560015020People complain about spirit patches but actively loathe gun patches
>>560015504>game is good when i can just mash buttons and have damage happen>game is bad when i have to use a skill i should have developed playing shooters for the last 20 yearshate these faggots
>>560015569correct fuck m1ggers
>>560015569point and click is less interactive and less deep than abilitiessorry, it's true
>>560015020I know this applies to a lot of characters, but Haze is literally only good if you're carrying the game, she is completely dogshit if you're 4/12 like the average Haze I get in my games
>>560015504I actually quite dislike spirit burn and escalating exposure
>>560015204>idk how vindictas do it, i find her the hardest to play heroyou just go for bodyshotsheadshot is only a 20% increase rather than a 2x-3x multiplier like snipers in a lot of other games
>>560015020>Every M1 item gets nerfed into oblivion forever because of it>Silver came out as the worst hero in the game because she was balanced around having Kinetic Dash buff at all times for infinite ammo and 30% bonus fire rate
>>560015569Go back to cs/cod/rivals/ow/valorant
M1GGERS SEETHING1234CHADS EATING GOOD
whats with the holliday bounce pad bug if you're on a bridge or something instead of putting it infront of you it'll put it in the air in front of you so it floats its gotten me killed so much
>>560015697I want a game that doesn't have retard quick TTK that is purely based on reaction time rather than prolonged aim testing.
>>560015569They will also describe it as point-and-click when they have a very difficult time doing just that. Crippling Headshot requires a headshot and maybe people who think Victor is so bad can't achieve that.
>>560015686Uuhhh silver was actually op on release stop downplaying
>>560015684>you just go for bodyshotsmakes sensei tried her like 2-3 times and i found it very hard to play or figure out, meanwhile i can play literally every other hero okaybut yes i was trying to wait for charge + go for headshots the hitbox is brutal, venator ult in comparison, the bolt feels huge, easy to headshot with it
- Celeste: Shining Wonder no longer refunds half cooldown on missit's over
>>560015758its pretty annoying
>>560015641>point and click is less interactivethen why do 3/4ths of the spirit characters have a point and click ability that instantly renders you unable to play the game
>>560015181qrd on wanting to slam a piano on rem a dotard thing
>>560015759Go back to aimlab/kovaaks UNIRONICALLY THOUGH AND STAY THERE
>>560015569It's probably because spirit defense is much more effective than bullet defense>Alright, all I need is counterspell and spirit resilience, I'm good!>HOLY SHIT I NEED METAL SKIN (LASTS 3 SECONDS) BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER BULLET RESIST ITEMS DON'T DO SHIT
>>560015417I played him before the patch. I would have continued playing him if he was in literally any other position but they literally took 40% of his gun damage away.
>>560013390I think gooner mods are for faggots but you get a pass purely because specialists was fun as fuck.
>>560015686silverfags have to make everything about themselves
>play first ever game with graves>carry for the first time everYeah, she's retardproof alright
Is building the T3 for Graves' spirit hand power even worth getting before last? It feels very finicky for the additional target to lock on an enemy
>>560015758That's not a bug she places it a set distance in front of her and it doesn't account for verticality. You can place it on walls or drop it off ledges this way, if you're standing on the bridge turn 90 degrees and place it, you have perfect air control anyway
>>560015686muh winrate
What is the geist succ build vegas is talkin about
>>560015967rapid recharge and max succthat's it
>>560015807Even if you believe this, Silver was genuinely the worst hero in the game on release. She got like 2 waves of emergency buffs which is what led to "good" Silver.
>>560015867>tierlists introduce S tier to seperate the cream of the crop from the others>but now every fucking tier list just stops at D tier and now we have to split S into seperate S brackets like S+ or S++This shit is such a fucking petpeeve of mine.
>>560015686>Silver came out as the worst hero in the game because she was balanced around having Kinetic Dash buff at all times for infinite ammo and 30% bonus fire rateThis must be why my friend is completely dogshit as this character because I tell him constantly to dash jump for ammo and he just gets mad and tells me I'm backseating him
>>560015808yeah just wait for someone to start glowing purple and charge up a bodyshotit takes a little while to figure out what threshold it'll actually kill at but now that it doesn't need to last hit it's a lot more generous in that regard>>560015820good that shit was completely unnecessaryt. celeste player
>>560015967probably just standard berserker radreg spelllinger built with life drain maxed earlier and a charge item
Everyone crying over m1 heroes are just sour grapes aimlets lol
>>560015967you spam succ which is moderately garbage in this spirit instagib patchit's only good if the fight lasts for more than 3 seconds, which is a rarity nowadays
>>560015867>tfw on a 4 game winstreak with him they're gonna turbo buff him and I'm going to feel like a god
guys why do i have to aim in the shooter...
>>560015820Now if only they nerf Doorman's ult too, that thing was already on a 1 minute cooldown if you stacked cooldown reductions, who thought it was a good idea to cast it twice in 10 seconds?
>Viscous punch already nerfedIt's over.Well, at least I had fun for a few days.
>>560015865>an item that reflects bullets to the attacker>an item that makes you immune to bullets>loads of bullet resist options>an item that gives a chance to completely avoid a bullet and an even greater chance to ignore its effects:-|
>>560015032But that doesn't even work until I have 3 points in the ability.What's the console command for using an ability. Might actually try it.
>>560016140at least theres counters to m1, metal skin or disarmstheres no counter to movement shit in this game, slowing hex? lol, lasts 2 secs>inb4 CCcc is the universal counter to everything by definition
Last night, a friend I've been playing with casually for a while told me that he doesn't know how to reliably dash jump and he needs to get around to practicing it.
>OWlets want spirit gone>Dotards want to A moveneither group belongs in this game
>>560016220because it was insanely strong and took literally 0 effort while the counterplay was perfectly parrying every single punch (if viscous misses one you're shit out of luck even though it's his fuck up lol)
>>560014671>Oh woe is me I have to push 1 button every 25 seconds to make my bullets shiny
everyone likes fighting calico yippe!
>>560014228>capacitor>Only have 1 projectile on a cooldown.>cripple headshot>Only need 1 bullet to hit the head out of a mag size of 20-50 from a burst/automatic gunIt's not hard to imagine.
>>560016226>the lowest winrate items in the game >the one (1) functional anti gun item >it costs 6k:)?
we need a taunt hero/item that forces m1ggers to attack you and kill themself on blademail
>>560014228>Crippling Headshot is busted because you can just hit the head 100% of the time if you're not badI only have to land a single heatshot and I have 100 rounds in the mag.
>>560016315Yes.
I'm testing out an Abrams life drain build, should ballistic enchantment and mystic expansion both be on his 1 for range, or just one of them?
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/#post-220287OP isn't up to date
>>560016304>because it was insanely strongYes? It was fun and you could actually punch m1ggers to death.
>>560014152>Ignoring the example given to instead choose a busted top-tier characterSure, that's not disingenuous at all. Who do you think is harder to play and get value out of, Mina or Graves?
>>560016140>>560016192You lost. No one likes cheating aim trainer trannies. Your haze got turned into an ultbot. Get fucked.
>>560016469go play victor if you want the game to play itself then, slobbering retard
can we please get a 'I'VE LASSOED THEM SHOOT THEM' voiceline how come everyone shoots when the fat fucking redditor sucks everyone in but when you lasso someone they do dick
>>560016338>>560016404>Lands the last oneWhat now genius?
>>560016304okay I will go back to my 2k+ max AOE per cast splatter build then!
>>560016536Turn your mic on.
>>560016526But Victor can't punch m1ggers to death, seething retard.What is the counterplay to Haze or Wraith shooting you in the head? Why can't I parry it like you can parry Viscous punch?
>Base Guardians HP reduced from 5500 to 4000dude, why? they were already paper? xd
>>560016553>12s debuff durationby the time your gun has reloaded the enemy is still affected and then you can immediately reapply it again, resetting the timer
>>560016518What? Just replace Calico with Mina they're both assassins and can rape Graves in a solo lane
>>560016637>What is the counterplay to Haze or Wraith shooting you in the head?Movement. Disarming hex, not being in the line of sight. It's more difficult to consistently track someone than to stack 3 range upgrades on punch and having it hit basically 100% of the time.
>>560016536Screech KILL THEM into your mic like a deranged baboonAlso make sure your allies are actually nearby before doing thisPeople shoot Dynamo's ult because he comes with a built in call out sound
>>560015865Metal skin is 5 seconds, no timing or anything required, where gun characters literally aren't allowed to play the game against you. How is this less of a counter than counterspell?
>>560015997You're simply wrong there. She got massively nerfed like 2 days after release. Then she was dogshit, eventually got buffed and became pretty good again (still weaker than release Silver though), and now she's nerfed into irrelevance again.
>>560016676>By the time your gun has reloadedYou are dead because a 1234gger hit you with their planet-sized aoe attacks.
>>560016637Non-ult Haze is the most difficult character to get value from in Deadlock.
>>560016641stop brooling and play objectives
>>560016220This shit pisses me off. All they had to do was fix how his goo punch interacted with items but in the same rebalance patch they also made its area fucking massive and now instead of reverting the range they decrease the damage of an ability that does not deal as much damage as other similar skills and that most importantly can be parried unlike most other abilities in the game.On top of that his resistance reductions on ultimate feel dismal. I don't mind the other changes to his skills.
>>560016226Are we pretending Return Fire isn't a waste of 1600 petrodollars? Might as well buy two eggs.
>>560016637>counterplay to Haze or Wraith shooting you in the head?metal skin + return fire
Any good new player guides? I played a few bot matches, which were easily won, but I have no idea what I was doing or if I was doing it right.
>>560016891just do what we did and learn on the job while getting flamed by your team and spammed with "ez" from opponents
>>560016536>"WRANGLIN' 'EM">"SHOOT 'EM BEFORE THEY ESCAPE!">"YER COMIN' WITH ME"do these not play for the rest of ypur team i legit don't remember the last time i had a holliday teammate
>>560016891deathy on youtube
>>560016721>>560016810>Movement>not being in the line of sight>metal skinYou could say the same about Viscous punch, yet for seething retard it's "counterplay was perfectly parrying every single punch".Now it's just nerfed and not fun again.
>>560016637no one wants to accept m1 counters victor hard>b-but metal skin>b-but X and Ym1 counters victor
>>560016806Return fire might be a waste if you buy it on a squishy like mina or holliday who shouldn't be standing there getting peppered like that in the first place
>/dlg/ says Metal Skin isn't sufficient against M1 because it "only" lasts 3 seconds>Then turns around and says Counterspell blocking a single ability (if you time it lmao most of this general is initiate 2) stops all of 1234
>>560016891Start heading into matches, it'll be fine. Try to kill the creep camps on their side, as that's more value, if you have the opportunity. As you are moving around, just try to get some boxes. Don't bother with stuff like boxing routes or anything like that yet. At least slide or jump after dashing and you're already better than many players, lol.
>>560016806make it have a T4 upgrade: Reflect Fire
>>560015020Sorry, spiritfags have meltdowns when guns characters are even just decent because they can't aim and just walk in straight lines letting people shoot them in the face.
>>560017007you can still punch people out of position/juggle them into your teamyou just can't instagib a carry by yourself anymoreI say this as a Viscous enjoyer
https://vocaroo.com/1jjDwEVudLlhdoes this fit for lash? what should i add to it
>>560017084Generally spirit damage comes with cooldowns
>>560016806I loke return fire but aknolwedge it's a dogshit non-itemit's okay on burst brawlers like mirage and abrams that want to get you to an hp threshold so they can delete you
>>560017141So do all the active items M1 heroes buy.
>>560017141Generally there are a million skills a second and damage ticks in the midst of a fight.
>>560017007I could say the same, but none of that is as effective against puddle punch as it is against aiming, because again, puddle punch is 10x easier to use effectively than just aiming lol.
>>560017139>audioanon is backbasedhas a feel as if Lash was an FF boss
>>560016698So you think Graves is much more cerebral because she can die for solo pushing a lane while an assassin is missing?
Just bought another egg
>>560017270press the f key on your keyboard
>>560017270>puddle punch is 10x easier to use effectively than just aiming lol.Let me guess. You don't play Viscous.Imagine being so retarded you think ability with cooldown, animation and delay is easier than just point and click.
I think trying to make gun Holliday work just isnt working I should just accept that she's just a lasso jump pad bot
>mfw im playing Abrams and the enemy parrys for no reasonLets see what these fist can do
>>560017358Nah I think Graves is harder to play because you need to take into account how squishy and vulnerable you are while Mina can just come up and rape you get fed and stomp teamfights. Minas gameplan is easier than Graves
>>560017254You don't need those to shoot. And you don't need to waste them on a metal skin cd.
Which characters should I buy egg on?
>>560017473Well seeing as you're complaining about it getting nerfed when his gun is just as strong, yeah, it probably is easier, aimlet. Fucking lol
>>560017525Seven, Victor, and Supports.That's it.
>>560017518>Push Metal Skin after they Vamp Burst/Fury TranceWhat now genius?
>>560017525all of them
>>560017473Do you really think covering a huge area in a hitbox is more skillful?
>>560017525Everyone
>>560017560>probably So I guessed right. You are just butthurt someone punched you to death.
>>560017130YesAnd make that reflect 100% damage instantly
>>560016806>>560017183it might actually not be complete dog shit anymore. it used to shoot back at the current location of the person shooting and could miss if they were fast enough. now it actually just reflects the damage directly so it's more reliable.
>>560017601wrongcheck the replays in eternuseveryone buys the eggy without exceptions
>>560017497>parry hitsI kill him>parry missesDash jump slide away no punishment. Abrahams is only good when he perma stuns you
>>560017497>They heavy>I parry>They flick 360 degrees and punch awayThis is dumb.
>>560017628I accept your concession.
>>560017650I am, and then I picked up Viscous myself and did the exact same thing with zero effort. it's almost like people dislike when retards are disproportionately rewarded for being retarded.
>>560017475>>560012464Gun Spy is weak rn needs a little love especially compared to how strong Calico and Wraith are now. I hope this shit doesn't devolve into Bliztard flavor of the month balancing (it already is)
>>560017859this is why you always react to a heavy with a heavy
>>560017898I knew you couldn't be serious, appreciate you being willing to admit it.
>>560017525
>>560017139>he's backKeep em coming I love these.>what should I add?A drop with three bell chimes ala his ult before a big crescendo>melody fades>DING DING DING>boom from kettledrums>big crescendo
when and how do I counter fed heros chat? I buy spirit resist stuff for spirit heros but billy was insanely fed for example and I didnt know what to get. I bought curse but it didnt do much also what do I buy if they go metal skin? I play haze
>>560017606Why not simply shoot them until they have to use it if you're so worried about your cds? It's not like they can afford to wait for them.
>>560017952>they flick away and immediately parryhehnothing personnellity NIGGER
>40 minute matches are either unwinnable after 20 min>or a single mistake at 40 minutes makes you lose the match despite being ahead surely there is a moba on the market that has fixed this
>>560018123>chatcringe mpt amsweromg
Are there any mods that make Holliday make Bing Bing wahoo noises
>>560018123>I play hazePick a different hero, she's dogshit this patch and will be for the foreseeable future.>BillyRebuttal and pray you win the rock paper scissors
viscous is based because he makes retards madjust parry retardjust punch the cube back towards your team retard
>>560017859Yes, you are dumb for wasting parry on an obvious fake out. Pro-tip: if it's coming from in front of you it's not a sincere punch.
>>560018246>have to waste a slot on a single 800 item for the entire match just to deal with one character
>>560018246>just parry retardthe problem is that viscous can just bait the parry either intentionally or not by just missing the puddle punchyou don't have time to think "is this going to actually hit me" you just have to push the button, and if you guess wrong he gets a free punch on you from a million miles away, unlike the inherent balance in actual heavy punches that you have to be up their ass to do it
>>560018191>fuck up>get punished for itnothing to fix. become a better player.>>560018246>just parry one of 5 punches any of which could be an intentional miss to make you miss parry so they can chain you afterwards>just punch the cu->*cancel cube*>*parry*
>>560018246>just punch the cube when viscous can cancel it to parry and frag your goofy ass
>>560018380>early game>make mistakes, barely punished>late game>make a single mistake, even if it was a teammate, lose the entire match you've invested 40 minutes intokill yourself
>>560018463>>make mistakes, barely punishedyes being entire items behind is 'barely punishing'. maybe in your retard bracket.
>>560018327you don't>>560018364>>560018380>>560018418out fucking skilled
>>560018463you have no idea what you're talking aboutthe game has to end. you'd be seething endlessly about 2 hour long games if respawns never scaled updumb retard
>>560018191Its a feature of the basic game concept and is why I don't care for Moba's.
>>560018463Escalapting risks are the entire fucking point of having levels and economy
>>560018125>Shoot them without using items>They 1234 and explode youHMMM
>560018525
>>560018327>but it's okay when you have to waste 3200 for metal skin or disarm to deal with one character thoughbeit
>>560018463Mistakes means you get punished and this applies to all competitive games, you could be having the most perfect chess game of your life but all it takes is 1 mistake for it to be a lost game.
>>559994883I propose a game mode:>Street Brawl except fixed soul allocation at the beginning of each roundThen hopefully no one would queue 6s ever again.
>>560017141Is that why when I counterspell the building Celeste drops on me she can immediately use it 4 more times?
>Beboptard tries to not throw the laning phase by greeding for bomb stacks at level 1 (impossible challenge)
>>560018014>>560018014
>>560018380>>just punch the cu->>*cancel cube*>>*parry*nta but i baited a viscous into doing this three times consecutively the other day it was hystericali wasn't even playing a melee character i just wanted them out of the cube earlier
>>560018965they should make his punch scale infinitely instead of bombs
>>560018997Isn't Celeste an actual unicorn or somethingShe's probably older
>>560017859>They flick 360 degrees and punch awayAnon...
>>560018965>>560019110They should just scrap the fucking bombs and laser altogether, have him be a melee hook character
>>560018191>>560018463Dota doesn't have this problem because of fortify and buybacks, and also base structures being tougher.The situation sucks in Deadlock because not only do you not have these mechanics, pushing the base is insanely easy, because the neutral game state is that both teams have their strongest structures (walkers) destroyed.Base guardians in Deadlock are so insanely weak it's not even funny. Most m1ggers can solopush them through backdoor protection whereas in Dota you're not going through backdoor protection unless you're a 6slotted agi carry.
Why is it that M1ggers are not only generally bad at the game, but also always the biggest whiners and flamers in voice?
>>560015686>>560016034>because she was balanced around having Kinetic Dash buffThis is also the reason she has 2 stamina btw
Why does Yoshi make objectives weaker every patch Walkers are going to be dropping on the second trooper wave in a year
>>560018997Warden might be younger. It's never specified that he was alive during last maelstrom, jsut that his parents were
i'm actually pretty happy with the game right now, nothing feels particularly powerful since the last quick patch today
>>560014995the rizzler got a gyat
>>560018997uoooooohhhhh 130 year old Geist seducing 20 year olds...
>>560018525>viscous misses>i've been outplayed
>>560017316>has a feel as if Lash was an FF bossi feel like that's fitting considering what he thinks of himself>>560018096https://vocaroo.com/13vLfIXIs4RQis this what you had in mind?
i WANT them tah BURNN
>Im gonna to change the world
>>560027854Retard he says>I want to change the world
>>560018997Is there a slimegirl mod for viscous?
Ivy has stink lines now and shares it with other people
