>>560040253
Goku's wife is so hot

Any new fangame or fangame that updated?

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>>560040658
Find old games you never played before and play them instead.

Will Xeno Trunks ascend to godhood as Chronoa's G.O.D. Of Time? If so, do you think that's a chapter 4 decision or a XV3 decision? Now that Super and Daima are done they can work some of that lore in with our worrying about getting retconned by a later story arc.

>>560040253
Kissing that tummy and thighs.

>>560040832
this, play the legend

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I… I like Attack of the Saiyans…

>>560043835
No need to feel ashamed. Heard it's a good game. I like Legacy of Goku 2.

>>560043835
I wish this got sequels.

>>560044093
I wish someone would do a mega hack of all those games into 1 one (because that would make LoG1 a little less shitty).

>>560043835
that's nothing to be ashamed of anon, the only shame is that they never made the sequel

>>560044093
It’s a pretty good entry level RPG. It kind of plays like Super Mario RPG with the timed hit/guard mechanic.

>>560040832
That's just a railgun game

>>560043835
We need more turn based DB stuff.
A DB Disgaea would be great.

>>560043835
Maybe if Nintendo lets Monolith out of the Xenoblade mines. Though, I dunno if Nintendo has ever published an anime game outside of the Jump Stars games.

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>>560040140
Damn I can't believe my seethe over SCQ got me "dedicated guy that people remember" status. I guess I can go check in since I haven't in a while

Oh god what the fuck is any of this, why are they fighting Doctor Doom in the tournament of power holy shit give me a bit to read through this

>>560046509
>Oh god what the fuck is any of this, why are they fighting Doctor Doom in the tournament of power
Wait, what? And what is that pic?

>>560046632
I have no idea what that is, I assume the filename is the context but it really doesn't help. Chilli is the name of one of their many many kids if I recall.

>>560046738
>Chilli is the name of one of their many many kids if I recall.
Their kids have anorexia?

>>560041079
Could you imagine if that's how XV2 ends and XV3 begins? With the GoD of Time destroying the now non-canon timeline of 1 and 2 to establish 3?

>Wait, you can revive the dead? How does it work?” Plastic Man asks him, turning to Freeza with sudden interest
I am taking psychic damage every time I see some fuckass marvel or DC character in this quest. At least I better get something funny at least

>>560046963
Pretty sure they know how to bring back people in DC anyway

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>The preparations complete, everyone gathered, and the plan laid out, the time had come! With Rimuru being the last to arrive, showing his newfound strength and awakening as a Dragon Slime, the Seventh Universe's team was ready. Karn, Meloka, Chaya, Chilli, Caulifla, Freeza, Cooler, Captain Ginyu, Plastic man, and now Rimuru, all ten fighters were gathered
U7's team, by the way. I guess this seething over caulifla to the point where they made their own daughter caulifla to "own" canon caulifla finally paid off

>>560047564
>Two random crossover character just because

>>560047871
>just because
Anon I wish I was you right now you don't know how deep this autistic rabbit hole goes, pretty much every decently popular comic or anime propperty you can think of has been put into this quest. I have had to sit through Karn fight off Xenomorphs, the Covenant, the Empire, and Amazo

>>560047991
>I have had to sit through Karn fight off Xenomorphs
Could be fun in a way I guess, kinda like that one fan game where Bardock just clear a xenomorph planet.
>the Covenant, the Empire, and Amazo
Why tho?
>Karn
Who? The Warhammer dude?

>>560047564
>Their Caulifla is Nappa with a wig

>>560048330
Karn is the protagonist of this quest an OC donut steel saiyan that has a stand and has the legendary super saiyan status and knows how to do jedi lightsaber fighting with a ki blade because yoda taught him (absolutely evil btw, frieza is the godfather to their children)

>>560048505
>knows how to do jedi lightsaber fighting with a ki blade because yoda taught him
What's even the point of that? Seriously, it's not like jedi lightsaber fighting is all that insane by DB standards.
At least stands come with special abilities and the LSSJ shit (which isn't a real thing in-universe outside the Z Broly movies) is classic 'My OC is OP' shit but the jedi stuff is so random.

>>560048981
Everything is scaled to dragonball levels of bullshit in this setting. It's been awhile but if I recall the Arbiter had something akin to namek frieza's powerlevel

>>560049121
Even if scaled, Jedi Lightsaber fighting would really not be different from any other way anyone else fights.

>>560049328
Don't shoot the messenger man I don't write the quest, it just works I guess. Though to be fair people did vote to learn that jedi stuff. He also has a halo gravity hammer for some reason. A lot of this random bullshit (that isn't all the cross setting stuff, the QM did that himself) is due to it being a quest and people just wanting to collect a bunch of random shit

>>560046509
I mean not "dedicated" but you definitely followed along longer than I did.

>>560046963
>>560047564
>>560048505
>>560049897
But now I remember why I fell off, damn.

>>560050067
But anon you GOTTA see the exciting climax where Supreme Instinct Karn and Black Frieza fight Doctor Doom (The Hulk and Thor were also on u6's team along with a smattering of normal u6 dudes like Caulifla and Hit)

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>>560029180
>>560029476
They don't want Hunter x Hunter Dragon Ball, they want DnD Dragon Ball. They want different "classes" of characters (power, healers, magic, regenerators, science...). They want stupid science power to take over the simplistic (in their mind) nature of martial arts, Ki, self cultivation. When you know about this you understand every bad writing choice behind DBM and why Goku/Vegeta must be left behind as relics of a simpler past.

>>560050323
I won't pretend like there isn't an audience for that kind of thing, but damn is it just not me.

>>560049897
>Don't shoot the messenger man
Oh, I wasn't accusing you, I was just saying it was a weird decision.
>>560050671
>they want DnD Dragon Ball.
Very true. With a smidge of capeshit too in how powers are classified and hierarchized.

>>560050671
>why Goku/Vegeta must be left behind as relics of a simpler past.
Mostly Goku tho. Vegeta's sci fi elements spare him a lot of the shit Goku goes through, which is why he's not in 99% of the other universes.

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>>560052728
That's true but "Vegeta" here is still relevant given how horribly he got treated in his own chapter just so Bra could get there and use her Kaikai Instant Transmission© (she's Teleporter class) and Fusion Techniques© (Fusion buff) to steal the show.

Pic very related. This is so cringeworthy.

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>>560040528
His wife's friend is even hotter.

>>560052980
>That's true but "Vegeta" here is still relevant given how horribly he got treated in his own chapter
True but that was Main / Canon Vegeta and he generally fare a lot better in the other universes, meanwhile Goku is treated like shit no matter the universe
>Pic related
God, this is such a capeshit 'ability-based team up / combo'.

>>560053010
Damn, that edit is insanely good.

>>560053010
For some reason they made Erasa look more buff than Videl

>>560053951
A combination of grok imagine & nano banana pro.

>>560055636
>nano banana pro.
Don't know what that is but impressive

>>560055006
Well she is super saiyan.

show you your best female super saiyan designs in their normal hair and their spiked up hair I'm legitimately curious on what people visualize

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>>560059407
I may not like saiyan conquerer quest but they do get some decent art comissioned. Super saiyan version of their Caulifla
>>560047564
compared to the base here

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>>560040140
Nothing recently, Tuffle Quest is still on hiatus but we're supposedly having something start up again some time this year.

>>560047564
>>560047991
>>560048505
>>560050323
You know I gotta say that like, even as someone that's usually pretty fine with some crossover shenanigans (I've been an avid player of Super Robot Wars since 3 got translated), there's something about just shoving all that together that feels "off" to me in a way I can't fully articulate. Like I see all of that and start going "wait, why?" It honestly shouldn't bother me that much and yet it does somehow. Maybe because it's such a hodgepodge of different things that just have that "we threw it in because it was cool" thing to it even where it barely makes that much of a difference.

Tuffle Quest has its fair share of kitchen sink stuff in there too but I guess a lot of it leans on adaptation of material rather than just shoving a thing in there as-is. Plus a good chunk of the "important" crossover stuff Kato adds in tends to be from other things Toriyama worked on, like Sandland, or Kajika, or the Galactic Patrol series, or Dragon Quest, or Chrono Trigger, etc. Those that aren't directly related to Toriyama stuff tend to have some alterations to them to make them "fit in" better as part of something more established in Dragon Ball.

>>560064078
As a fellow super robot wars fag, that's a celebration of the genre made by people who know mecha extremely well. Saiyan conquerer quest is not a celebration of any of the series that are in it, they are just additional action figures to throw against the main character for the sake of stuff to do. That is why it feels off. It's straight up just straight white noise filler so there's stuff to do in this wacky space setting.

>>560040832
I'm playing (nodded) ape escape 3 as we speak

>>560064078
>(I've been an avid player of Super Robot Wars since 3 got translated)
The difference is that SRW is good and make sense.

>>560064078
>>560064583
DB should get a rep in the next SRW.

>>560064301
Yeah that's probably the kicker to it. Super Robot Wars is something frequently written by those that absolutely adore the featured series in their respective games, putting in that effort to make many of the characters involved actually play off each other. Y, the most recent game in the series, had a LOT of really good crossover moments, like Domon training Shinn, or Kallen and Allenby trying to cheer on Mirage, or fucking GODZILLA being hyped up as an actual endgame threat and playing into a lot of the backstory elements with Reideen and Combattler and more.

>>560064583
I mean they can absolutely have their hit or miss moments, but I'd say the games are always very passionate, even the weird ones like Neo.

>>560065015
I think a full tactics Dragon Ball game on its own would be a lot of fun. Something in the vein of Touhou's Fantasy Maiden Wars.

You know, I just realized that Neva was using the Red-Eye Namekian form in Daima.

>>560065417
>I mean they can absolutely have their hit or miss moments
I assure you, Mightgaine 3 years in a row and nothing but Shin Getter Robo was an artistic choice.

>>560064350
ape escape has mods?

>>560066387
texture mods

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>>560065765
>Red-Eye Namekian
Interesting...

>>560066089
I do still love Armageddon, but I cannot tell you how relieved I was to have Arc in in Y instead.

>>560064078
I think I can get why it feels off to you. SRW is a series where you have all these different mecha shows still all treated as important and willing to fight together against some big threats, sometimes with big villain teamups in response. SCQ is a series where the crossover series involved are secondary to the main Quest OCs. I haven't played Tuffle Quest but what I've heard from you and the others that have brought it up, it sounds like Kato falls into the former camp.

>>560065417
>full tactics Dragon Ball game on its own would be a lot of fun. Something in the vein of Touhou's Fantasy Maiden Wars.
I would play the hell out of something like that.

>>560067693
I wouldn't say the crossover series are purely secondary to the quest OCs moreso in the sense that they're purely secondary to dragonball. Everything in here has to be in service of or compatible with dragonball and it causes jarring things to happen because a lot of settings aren't meant to really work with dragonball. There's just no real vision, really. Nothing like the Laplace incident destroying zero requiem. Doctor Doom is just here because he is .

>>560066990
Namekbros... we're jobbers...

>>560067921
I might believe that but seeing something like >>560047564 and >>560046509 makes me feel that there's a degree of even Dragon Ball stuff playing second fiddle to the OCs. Not in the same way as something like Multiverse but still. Chronoa getting so villainized also rubs me the wrong way.

>>560067994
He beat BEWD at some point

>>560069047
This feels schizophrenic to say but Saiyan Conquerer quest and Tuffle quests feel like two sides of the same coin, a time capsule of the dragonball zeitgeist around the time of the return of dragonball with BoG, Tuffle quest leans more towards the multiverse side of things where it mostly just sticks with the OG and tries to extend that, whereas SCQ carries a lot of the heavy spite that was around super at the time and it shows with their xenoverse antagonism and desire to shit on caulifla.

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>>560067994
To be fair, since Neva's not a fighter himself, he mostly used his Red-Eye form to buff other people up like Goku and the Tamagamis.

from a purely practical standpoint do you think DBO could ever be remade? Like from the stance of do you think MMOs are a dead genre as far as making new ones go?

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>>560070595
DBO Battle Royale
DBO Roblox
DBO Fallout 76
DBO Kart

>>560053010
Gohan should’ve got with Erasa instead of Videl.

>>560070924
seeing something reference black water mist arc is like seeing a cryptid in the wild

>>560070595
Just make it an open world, MMO version of Xenoverse, and have it where up to 100 players can PvP at the same time, ToP-style.

>>560071291
>Open world
>in current year

>>560067693
>>560067921
I guess that tracks. Like I said, when Kato adds in things that aren't directly related to Dragon Ball, they tend to have some kind of adaptation. Like towards the end of TQ Kai we ended up on a robot planet displaced from Universe 3 that was clearly based on Cybertron (because she's a big Transformers nerd) but it wasn't literally "You meet Optimus Prime and go fight Megatron with the Autobots" but instead a bunch of different things that are inspired by but not the same as certain characters (an example, there was one thing based on Rampage from Beast Wars, but it was rendered effectively Immortal through experiments with Destron Gas/Energy), and they make clear reference to things from U3 but also have connections to some of the Quest's OC plotline stuff.

>>560067921
>Nothing like the Laplace incident destroying zero requiem.
Kaguya will never forgive Mineva. She found the one person she dislikes more than Suzaku.

>>560069597
You know it's funny, while Kato's on record saying she disliked GT even less after last rewatching it, she doesn't really try to shit on it when adapting its arcs. If anything the whole Black Star Dragon Ball and Baby arc of the Quest might be one of the better arcs as a whole. Giru was treated surprisingly well and came across as kinda endearing, Rildo was shown pretty consistently as a big threat that kept coming back even stronger and more skilled, Baby's conquest of Earth had a lot more to it and the gauntlet battle against him really played into him as an actually smart villain that would set everything he could in his favor, Vegeta getting Super Saiyan 4 is treated as a big character development moment, etc. Honestly even before (and again after) that she clearly has a soft spot for GT (and I guess technically Xeno) Pan, having her show up a couple times with the Time Patrol and not trying to downplay her or make her into some kind of jobber (I remember Maple being amazed at just how strong Pan actually was).

>>560071291
Isn't that more of a battle royale than an MMO?

>>560072152
/v/ contrarians don't speak for the majority.

>>560072226
>Honestly even before (and again after) that she clearly has a soft spot for GT (and I guess technically Xeno) Pan, having her show up a couple times with the Time Patrol and not trying to downplay her or make her into some kind of jobber (I remember Maple being amazed at just how strong Pan actually was).
Based. Sure as fuck better than how something like Multiverse treats its Pan(s).

>>560073225
To be fair I can't fully blame multiverse for treating Pan like shit. There's simply a universal law that all Dragonball works must treat Pan like shit. It's the law.

>>560073343
I guess Kato is on the run from the Dragon Ball fanwork police then, kek

>>560073482
what do you think the hiatus was for?

>>560073343
>>560073482
>>560073520
This explains a lot

>>560073520
KEK

>>560066089
>Mightgaine 3 years in a row
Mightgaine was based tho.

Anyone that unironically appreciates GT Pan is worthy of some respect in my book.

>>560065417
>>560067693
There's a lot of genres DB could go for. CRPG, Musou and Vampire Survivor-like are 3 other contenders for 'would be cool but will never happen'.

>>560074260
My brain is in a weird spot with pan. I heavily dislike all the shade fanworks give her, but I also don't really care for her that much? She just never has this super duper cool moment that sticks in your mind and makes you want to shill her. Like Tien has the shin kikoho and yamcha has spirit ball but pan never even got her defining moment. I want her to be a star but It feels harder to muster the effort to agendapost for pan, you know?

>>560074194
By T it was definitely wearing out its welcome. I'm glad we got some other Braves in its place, even if Da-Garn really should have been base game material instead of DLC in Y.

>>560074443
I'm just glad GaiGaiGar got to finish up its stuff with hakaioh and all that. Hopefully Dagowon gets in next game and I think that'd be everyone?

>>560074546
That, Fighbird, and Goldran I think. I still want Exkaiser in mainline personally.

>>560074427
she wasn't allowed to do anything cool because Toei didn't want her to upstage or save Goku in any way. their series bible for GT stated Goku HAD to be the hero no matter what. Not just because he's the protagonist of the series, but also because they were worried the audience wouldn't like Goku having to rely on a girl. The closest we get to her being important is when she pulls Goku out of golden ape.

>>560074851
Given that these are the same guys who made the "goku must always save the day no matter how contrived it is" dragonball movies it doesn't shock me whatsoever. But like man how little confidence do you have in your main character to think he can be upstaged by his grand daughter?

>>560074427
I don't mind her not being "big" in fanworks but I tire of those that act like she was the Scrappy Doo of the series or exists solely so she can job and Gohan can get angry and power up.

>>560075058
the DB audience was 8 year old boys back then, it was a reasonable assumption that 8-9 year old Japanese boys in the 90s would be weird about their hero and idol getting saved by a girl.

>>560075187
Surely the biggest chunk of the GT audience were people watching from Z and given how long that was running they'd have to be 12 at the very least, possibly thirteen?

>>560075368
GT was made for new audiences in mind. holdovers from Z weren't part of the consideration; at the time they viewed it the same way PreCure or Pokemon is viewed now, where one generation ages out and stops watching and a new one comes in and needs a good place to pick up the series. it wasn't really expected for someone to watch the whole thing from start to finish.

>>560072229
Only the PvP, and only the players want it to be. You can still have 1v1s or 3v3 matches like before. Maybe even multi-team matches too, like 4v4v4v4.

>>560075802
That's... stupid. Why would it lean so hard into nostalgia with turning Goku into a kid again?

>>560075126
The funniest thing to me about fanworks like multiverse is treating pan getting super saiyan like it's a momentous occasion as if super saiyan isn't the most basic ass powerup that no one's valued since buu saga. I was gonna make a joke here about comparing it to someone getting an early powerup in a late point in a different shounen but I realize I dont read enough shounen to make this joke, so just fill in the blank
>>560076104
I guess it was an attempt to create a "new" pilaf saga for both the parents watching and the new generation of kids or something

>>560076104
the intent was a 'new beginning'. it's why Goku doesn't just look like a kid, he acts like one as well.

>>560076206
This is probably also what they were trying again with Daima, right? A new thing to get young kids into dragonball.

>>560076318
I believe they said exactly that in the prerelease runup.

>>560076496
Genuinely wonder if it worked with the target demographic. There's so much shitposting about Daima being a flop or not but I'm unironically curious if Toei's second go around of trying this was successful or not

>>560076606
doubtful. it didn't work for GT and that was before the primary demographic for DB was 30 year old manchildren (which is why they dropped the black star ball search for Baby) so there were a lot more kids watching back then. these days it's all adults, who hated the infantile nonsense of Daima.

>>560074306
Dragon Ball Musou would be another fantastic game idea.

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>>560050671
>they want DnD Dragon Ball
Ever since other anons mentioned that, the completely clunky dialogue in pic related started to make sense.

>>560050671
the Cell Saga and its consequences...

Huh. Dragon Ball Fusions has mods. I didn't know that.
https://videogamemods.com/mods?game=dragon-ball-fusions

>>560082129
Damn, I didn't know either

Bump

>>560072226
>Like towards the end of TQ Kai we ended up on a robot planet displaced from Universe 3 that was clearly based on Cybertron (because she's a big Transformers nerd) but it wasn't literally "You meet Optimus Prime and go fight Megatron with the Autobots" but instead a bunch of different things that are inspired by but not the same as certain characters
That's probably a better way to go about it. Or at the very least that shows some mutual understanding of the series involved in that crossover, and an attempt to meld them instead of just smashing action figures together, like throwing in Halo factions and just upping the power levels so they end up something that wont immediately get pasted in a fight.

>>560090268
Amusingly, Tuffle Quest actually did do a Halo reference in its last thread for Kai. One of the experiments Towa was working on deep in the Demon Realm involved an artificial ring world with a Tree of Might planted in it, something that was being tested in the second layer of the Demon Realm (where Demon Realm Namek resides) on some of the planets there, able to deploy its roots out from the ring and into a planet to drain it dry for the Tree of Might. Effectively it'd provide them as many fruits as they wanted if brought to completion, enhanced with Demon Realm energy like Towa did for Turles and Slug in XV2. We destroyed it as one of our last big parts of the thread, even getting a chance to use Forced Spirit Fission on the tree to return the stolen energy to the worlds it consumed in its first few trial runs, though with some consequences to the victory.

>>560071038
>Literalwho vs The CHAMP's daughter
Hell NO!

>>560071038
>town bicycle vs the untouched maiden

>>560092074
See I can get behind something like that, it's not just "okay you're at a Halo ring now, stop the bad guys from firing them" or "start mopping up Covenant forces" or whatever.

>>560094746
Videl is not the town bicycle anon

I also forgot to state it yesterday, but narratively I think the biggest issue with SCQ is its attempt to square the circle of the fact that the MC is actively genociding species in order to sell to other people, but they also try to make him not a bad guy for this? Like several heroic characters dont just outright revile him for this and in a general sense no one seems to care about the fact that he works for frieza. Its just kind of odd and makes everything be viewed through this weird bizzaro lens

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>There was a cool Dragon Ball RPG that goes all the way to the Buu arc with neat 2D spritework
>only for old Japanese phones
mfw

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Kinda late to this and kinda not the place but people (mostly in twitter) still get confused by "SS Rage Trunks" being refered to as just SS/SS2 Trunks and people need to get that's how they always called the form.
>no, it's SS Rage it's official!
No, the term "Super Saiyan Ikari" is official yeah, ikari being the same word used for Broly's wrathful state (so we should really call it "SSW" or "SSA" from wrath or anger or something to tell it apart from Rosé btw) but it refers exclusively to the berserker-like Trunks with blank eyes right after getting his power up. THAT's what Heroes labelled as "Super Saiyan Ikari - Trunks: Future", only that. When Trunks regains full control of himself he's no longer called like that because he's not in that angry state, that's what the label refers to, not to Trunks' new power up, but to his angry self. That's why you get figurines of the guy with his new hairdo and yellow-blue energy that call him just SS, or why his units in Dokkan or Legends say "rage" when his eyes blank but not later, that's why Sparking Zero only has Super!Trunks in base and "SS". They aren't trying to memoryhole the form for how dumb it was like some people say, it's even dumber, it's just that the form never had an actual name, people want to believe "rage" refers to a new form because it's the only half logial way made Trunks went from being one-shot by SS3 Goku to wrestling with SSR Black in the anime but as far Toei goes it's just some power up Trunks got that made his hair different and that's it, sometimes it's labelled as "Super Saiyan", sometimes as "Super Saiyan 2", but officially it's not really a new form, at least not a named one.

>>560105615
man was trunks' super saiyan 2 hair always that massive

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>>560105615
For the record let's take a look at the other "pseudo form" from the anime. Toei came up with SSGSSE/SSBE after what it seems to be a plot point from Toriyama about Vegeta powering up to stay relevant after Goku's first taste of UI, which one version depicts as this Super Vegeta-like form and the other as another aura change for Blue, either due to this discrepancy or to how similar Evo is to Blue (sometimes Evo isn't even depicted with a darker blue color) there are a few rare instances where official media has called the form just SSGSS/SSB. But most of media still label that Super Vegeta-like form as SSGSSE/SSBE and Toei's own art book and conceptual art for the anime represents it as such, as new Vegeta, "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolved"
Now compare it to Trunks' label. They didn't even bother referring to him as a SS at all, you got "Vegeta Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolved", you got "Hakaishin Toppo", you got "Jiren (Full Power)", you got "Ribrianne (Giant Form)", you got "Goku Ultra Instinct", you got "Goku Black Super Saiyan Rosé", you got "Merged Zamasu" and "Infinite Zamasu", you got "Vegetto" and "Vegetto Blue", but Trunks? Just "Future Trunks". The fuckers didn't care, they just made SS/SS2 Trunks get a pseudo-Blue state without official name or acknowledgment, they aren't erasing SS Rage because SS Rage never existed, in their minds Trunks gets a power up and spends an episode full of rage, but he's not like that after that episode or when he beats Zamasu, that's just SS/2 Trunks and the way he got that strong and different looking is because it would have been hella funny I guess

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>>560105679
It's really inconsistent

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>>560105679
>>560106538
they just did whatever they wanted with it, like SS grade 2 making his hair grow for no reason (besides "we don't want to design short hair SS grade 2 Trunks")

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>>560107146
you sure that's not grade 3? It looks a lot closer to that

>>560107313
yeah that's it, i got confused woah i'm just like them

>>560107146
His shirt should have definitely broke there

>>560107986
Bulma just made his shirt out of the same material they make pants out of. That or it's a woman's shirt.

>>560108053
he does seem to make a habit of wearing bulma's clothes...

Goku right after he comes out of the time chamber is such an odd character. Has he ever been this much of a vaugeposting asshole before or since? Like there's basically no reason for him to be so insanely noncommital and flippant to everyone on Kami's lookout but he just explains nothing and leaves. It's very bizzare

>>560114214
He saw the sparks of Gohan's SSJ2 but didn't want to spoil it because that could kill the chance of it happening, as Gohan wasn't supposed to be aware of it.

>>560114796
If super saiyan 2 was that fickle it feels odd he'd be so casually confident Gohan easily has this in the bag. Like Goku has not a shadow of a doubt that Gohan would do anything but clobber cell so it feels odd that he would actually not be confident Gohan would be able to access it except for specific conditions. He also just kind of up and told Gohan the plan right before he was gonna fight cell anyways so i'm not sure if it was that.

Goku doesn't even so much as reassure the other fighters or even Gohan that he has a plan, they all ASSUME he has a plan because he's so confident but he doesn't even say that much. It's bizarre.

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>>560115018
>he'd be so casually confident Gohan easily has this in the bag
It's a facade.

That said he had FAITH in Gohan as a father has faith in his son, but it wasn't simple rational confidence.

>>560117223
if he wasn't 100% confident in Gohan he really should've just talked to someone about it so at least the other fighters can work out their own plans if shit goes south. But since he didn't do that everyone just had to blindly hope he knew what he was doing. Like sure it was only nine days and that's not a lot of time but there could've been SOMETHING

>>560117372
I mean he was the one making the plans in that arc, it's not like anyone is going to be anywhere near as effective as he is. If he can't see any victory path that isn't Gohan then there probably isn't one, this is still a series about having the bigger dick and Gohan had the biggest one

>>560117482
Weren't Piccolo and vegeta largely the plan guys for most of it? Goku isn't even in large parts of the arc.

>>560117223
>Our only hope to beat Cell, is the power inside Gohan
The amount of people that have read this line and have no idea what Toriyama meant by it is astonishing.

>>560117603
No, everyone is basically useless until Goku comes back and tells them about the room. And then he develops the best training program. He also does the planning in the Buu arc.

>>560117895
I mean to be fair him telling them about the room was less him being a good planner and more he was just the only guy who ever knew about the room.

>>560118021
Also true, but there's this constant motif of "let's wait for Goku" and Goku returning and pulling out the team of stasis

>>560118187
They weren't actually waiting for Goku when he pops in to suggest time chamber stuff, though. They were brain storming ideas on how to take out cell and were in the middle of flying to his assumed next target.

>>560118285
Yeah they're not helpless but they really do keep saying "let's regroup and wait for Goku" whenever they have to commit to something. Which makes sense, they're not stupid themselves.

Also I was wrong, Piccolo also knew about the time chamber by that point. Though I assume he just didn't think it was necesscary becasue by that point he assumed he could handle the androids and was in the middle of looking for cell to deal with that problem.
>>560118432
I don't actually remember them doing that very much at all during Androids saga. As mentioned right before Goku shows up they're proactively trying to deal with the threat themslves and even before that Piccolo was also proactive in trying to get to fuse with kami to also deal with it. Krillin and Tien sure but Piccolo seemed to almost always have some kind of plan in the works.

>>560114214
>Has he ever been this much of a vaugeposting asshole before or since?
The closest thing to that is him hiding his powers for no particular reason.
>Never let anyone know he can fly during the 23rd tournament, so it comes as a suprise to not just Piccolo, but also his friends
>Somehow got SSBKK without letting Vegeta know, while training with him for 3 years
But otherwise, no. Goku vagueposting only makes sense once you realize he's acting like that for meta reasons, just so everyone else is surprised alongside the reader. Trunks in early androids saga is the same.
>Only claims the androids are super strong
>Doesn't mention they can steal energy (For 19/20)/Have infinite stamina (For 17/18)
>Doesn't mention they don't have ki to be sensed
Just like Goku, Trunks' vagueness only makes sense once you realize this is for meta reasons, because it's a lot more dramatic for someone to say "Oh shit they don't have ki, we can't sense them!" than Trunks info dumping that they don't have ki.

I hope the remake erase all the toei forms

>>560070595
I think MMOs are a dead genre these days. Takes too much effort (for companies) and too little payout (for companies). I think Xenoverse's multiplayer is fine for online play. Just expand on it. You have standard stages for quick play. Just a few missions with friends to fight certain bosses. Maybe put in another type that's a bit longer, that gives exploration a bit of a focus. You can pick up temporary items to help during a fight. Kinda like Breakers but not really. Make it feel like you're "dungeon crawling" but with DBZ.

>>560123916
Nice armpits

>>560114796
>He saw the sparks of Gohan's SSJ2
Manolo please, toei filler isn't, has never been and will never be canon

>>560124317
Oh yeah? Explain Olibu's statue in the manga then.

>>560122753
>Doesn't mention they can steal energy (For 19/20)
He never fought them (or even knew about them, possibly)
>Have infinite stamina (For 17/18)
I mean, the issue was their strength, their stamina was just a nice small bonus but they really needed to get stronger than them, that's about it.
>Doesn't mention they don't have ki to be sensed
You can assume it seems obvious to him because he never had to search for them. If anything they were the ones hiding. The "no ki, no sensing" part only became relevant when they were fighting 19/20 who he didn't know about

>>560123916
Baby, why do you keep bodyjacking women?

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>>560124317
Oh is that so? Evidence seems contrary, however.

>>560124832
That's Kamin, and Oren too I guess.

>>560124482
>doesn't know the difference between canonizing a character or concept and the original non-canon media being canon
Broly and Paragus are canon. Broly and Paragus luring Goku and the others to "New Vegeta" and that stuff from the movie isn't.
Olibu is canon. Goku getting into a dead people tournament along Olibu and fighting a Piccolo clone isn't.
Gogeta is canon. An oni messing the afterlife and dead Goku and dead Vegeta forming dead Gogeta isn't.

>>560124942
Ahem >>560125183
In your own pic you see Leek, Bardock's canon partner from DB Minus. Toyotaro even says that his idea is that the way they lost communication with Tooma's group was another clue on Freeza eliminating the saiyans that fueled Bardock's suspicions, that alone contradicts the special you are trying to imply it was canonized here.
And that pic isn't even canon per se anyway, it's Toyotaro's special series of monthly drawings with an idea he has, doesn't mean it's actually a canon, as it's not in the series proper. In fact the idea behind those drawings is precisely "characters that haven't appeared in the Super manga"

>>560125628
>"characters that haven't appeared in the Super manga
Which means they exist but he hasn't found the appropriate window to put them in. That's still canonizing anime only characters.

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>>560129731
>"this character doesn't appear" means it's canon for sure!
You are a fucking retard, man.

>>560129924
We already have Red Porunga which is a literal copy of Ultimate Shenron, so might as well.

>>560125628
>>560129731
>>560129924
It's an Omake, it has no meaning on the actual story.

>>560123916
Is it gay to have sex with Oren if he’s in Kale’s body?

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>>560130952
Very

Bardock's old crew show up in the DBS Broly movie so it doesn't really matter what Toyo drew

>>560131580
Trunks is so lucky.

>>560132038
>show up in the DBS Broly movie
... and aren't working with Bardock which contradicts the non-canon OVA too, which is the point here.

If there were a hypothetical dragonball racing game would you prefer them to be in vehicles or them to just be flying/ running around on their own?

>>560134242
actual karts, the appeal of it is that they should all be on an equal footing. same reason why Sonic drives a kart in the Sonic kart games.

>>560134368
you say it as if every other fighting game doesn't have a magic plot device to make them all equal, I don't see why a racer cant have that either.

>>560134492
suspension of disbelief. they're fighting games, they're about fighting. they have to physically fight. kart racers are deliberately emulating Mario Kart and therefore need karts; it's part of the aesthetic. imagine a sports game without sports uniforms.

>>560134695
I don't really think it'd bother me that much if the mario characters were wearing their normal clothes during their games desu. It's not like sonic characters just standing around naked bothered me during the mario sonic olympic games games.

>>560134898
it bothered enough people that Nintendo went out of their way to design sports outfits for them in the later games.

>>560134024
>the non-canon OVA
That's been referenced in the CANON manga. Which is far more canon than a movie where Toei execs begged Toriyama to include Broly and Gogeta.

>>560138971
>That's been
... retconned by Toriyama whether you like it or not.

>>560106381
Giant Ribrianne looks like a gigantimax Pokemon before they existed.

>>560130952
Oren was the one who possessed Caulifla, not Kale, was he not?

>>560142510
Movie (manga) Bardock was still in this year's popularity poll so not really

>>560156051
That's the funny part
No matter how much canon purists will try to replace OGdock, he will never be replaced and eclipse TORIdock
Just like how Zly is still more popular than SUPERly and gets shilled but you don't see the same amount of shilling for SUPERly. Zly just recently got a SH figuarts for DB's 40th anniversary

>>560166797
I prefer toeidock but think super broly is better. Zly just isn't really interesting to watch fight. Seeing a guy beat the shit out of everyone with no way to fight back gets boring

>>560166919
This. I can maybe accept the idea that TARZANly isn't that interesting because he didn't get enough development and a simple super evil asshole like Zly might be better but TARZANly had the vastly better fights

>>560167048
I think second coming improved things a bit with the family kamehameha being an actual push and pull moment but the original broly movie is straight ASS. There's no way in hell the writers genuinely thought that the addition of piccolo and fucking vegeta were a genuine escalation of the fight, because they weren't and didn't matter. Nothing in the 30 or so minutes of that fight actually mattered. It was just filler until broly gets onepunched and dies.

>>560167643
Second coming is less bad but still kinda bad. DBS Broly actually has lots of back and forth and his berserk fighting style really gets to shine because he's not just 1000% invulnerable until the very last punch, he actually FIGHTS these guys

>>560168813
we need her BACK in sparking zero and then a thicc mod like panzy got too

>>560169506
inshallah the new season will include our ox princess

>>560168813
Very nice job, anon.

with Toriyama dead and likely never having a solid ending arc It's all but set in stone that
Toei Broly and Bardock will take priority over Toriyama's versions
GT Super saiyan 4 will take priority over toriyama super saiyan 4

Do you know why? because they are popular and make money, canon means nothing only money

>>560170520
Super broly is pretty popular though. Not as popular as Zly but much more popular comparatively than superdock or daima4

>>560170520
toriyama's versions of things will always take priority when both are implemented, simply because it's toriyama's version
they'll put in the more popular toei stuff first sure (see gekishin squadra), but in cases like SZ where both are in you can bet your ass they're gonna be promoting superly over Zly

>>560170520
Good. They're better than Toriyama's versions.

>>560170520
Good thing Toei Broly, Toei Bardock and GT didn't make 1/10th of what DBS Broly and Daima made so they'll prioritize the superior versions.

>>560171063
...In the opinion of people who like eating shit.

>>560170653
>Not as popular as Zly
DBS Broly is the most popular DB movie by a lot and Z Broly's movies aren't even top 5, Super Broly is massively more popular than Z Broly.
Most people haven't even seen the Z movies.

>>560171778
I don't think we should take the movies made 30 years ago as a strict metric. Everyone in this fandom knows who broly is and likes the guy, though they're mainly exposed to him via videogames and fandom osmosis. This is largely true for stuff like ss4 gogeta too.

>>560170868
>(see gekishin squadra)
Toppo confirmed more popular than Z Broly.

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>>560171959
you know what i mean anon don't you get cheeky with me

>>560171891
Everyone know who Super Broly is and like the guy too, the difference is they actually watched his movie and liked it, that's a pretty good metric IMO.
Video games alone < Their actual movies + the video games.
Also the consensus around Z Broly is pretty mixed and sometime negative.

>>560172134
>Also the consensus around Z Broly is pretty mixed and sometime negative.
Is it? I and a couple of other anons in here have started to dislike him but from what i've seen in a general sense the sentiment of broly is overwhelmingly positive. He's just the cool luchador heel dude and that's all most people care about. Though, as you say most people haven't actually watched the movie in the last decade if at all, but that's true of dragonball in a general sense.

>>560172134
>Also the consensus around Z Broly is pretty mixed and sometime negative.
I still remember people relentlessly shitting on Z Broly.

>>560172270
I don't know if the discourse has changed but last time I checked a few years back, a lot of people thought of Broly as the annoying ridiculously buff dude with no character or even lines beyond screaming 'Kakarot!'.
Same back when TFS did the Broly movie with people repeating 'He's a giant baby!' or whatever lines there was in their video.

Pretty sure Z Broly was popular in the 2000s. Kids found him cool.

>>560172405
These days i've seen push back against that citing the first movie where he's allowed to emote a lot more and quip a bunch. My problem of Z broly being a boring fighter is still there but people seem much more concerned about arguing about how DEEP his first movie z broly is because actually he's not mad about goku crying it just reminds him of being stabbed, or something.

>>560172857
>but people seem much more concerned about arguing about how DEEP his first movie z broly is because actually he's not mad about goku crying it just reminds him of being stabbed, or something.
It's funny because neither side watched the movie. The whole crying thing (and stabbing) is completely unrelated to why Broly target Goku, he just does it cause Goku is the strongest of the group and that make Broly's saiyan blood boil enough to break the mind control, that's all.
The crying thing is just there to establish the theme of Goku overcoming Broly despite being a nobody, first making him cry as a baby and then beating him as an adult.

>>560173329
desu I do wonder about where the crying connection even comes from? Is it some sort of interview thing or is it just people making shit up like the thought that Broly grows infinitely stronger.

>>560173329
personally i blame it on broly 2 making him into a walking KAKAROT machine, i mean fuck just look at gekishin squadra, they took that version of him instead of going for the quipping monstrous beast he was in the first movie presumably just because that's the most recognised version of Zly

>>560173471
>desu I do wonder about where the crying connection even comes from?
It's a headcanon that come from a headcanon where they think Goku just 'reopened' Broly's stab wound from when he was a baby to defeat him.
So they extrapolate from that headcanon to be like 'When Broly remember Goku crying as a baby just before being defeated, it's him associating Goku's scrying with getting stabbed'.
>>560173625
Very true. Which is weird because Second Coming has him be a lot less dominant than in the first movie so it doesn't fit as well with the 'power is maximum' schizophrenia around him.

>>560174080
wtf the broly crying thing has been headcanon all along? What is with the insane amount of headcanon around this guy he's half people making shit up

>>560174169
>wtf the broly crying thing has been headcanon all along?
Yup, at no point it's said or shown he even remember the crying thing until Goku defeats him and that was clearly just to drive the 'Goku, born a weakling, overcome the Legendary Super Saiyan, born stronger than everyone else' point home, by associating Goku making Broly cry as a baby with Goku defeating him as an adult. That's literally it.

>>560174314
The broly that exists within the minds of fans and the broly that actually exists in the movie are two whole ass different people. How did this even happen.

>>560175107
>How did this even happen.
People knowing DB without ever watching it, most people only watching them as young kids and internet telephone games (And translation issues obviously).

A fairly similar problem, a lot of the people that glaze GT know it from the videogames, not the anime. It's why you have people making up shit about the Gogeta vs. Omega fight, or the Goku vs. Baby fights, because they remember filling in the blanks and the cool moments from the videogames, not the actual fights in the show itself.

>>560179131
People being in denial that SSJ4 sucked in the Baby Saga is hilarious. Dude literally just walked around doing nothing until the bad guy powered up and sent him running.

>>560173471
>desu I do wonder about where the crying connection even comes from?
Second coming had Goten crying, which awakened Broly, which is something Budokai 3 sort of referenced in the beginning of Broly's story mode. This on top of Broly only saying "Kakarot" in Second Coming and a few games (Like Budokai 3 again) made people think Broly only ever was a villain obsessed with Goku. Cooler suffers something similar. In games so many on his lines are about Freeza, which has made fans think Cooler is nothing but villain with inferiority complex to Freeza, when he didn't talk about Freeza that much in his movie (And in M6's case, didn't mention Freeza at all).

>is it just people making shit up like the thought that Broly grows infinitely stronger.
That one is DB fans not knowing what "overflowing" means.

>>560173625
>they took that version of him instead of going for the quipping monstrous beast he was in the first movie presumably just because that's the most recognised version of Zly
Which's weird because his moveset takes after both movies. His finisher is even the memetic lariat he used on Vegeta in M8.

>>560174080
>so it doesn't fit as well with the 'power is maximum' schizophrenia around him.
Video games are somewhat to blame for this. Budokai 3's intro was really, really popular back then, and they needed Gogeta to kill Broly in it, and Broly is the only villain to be hyped that much. Broly's own story mode has an alternate route where he's capable of killing a SS3 Goku, and he can be Buu saga's final boss in alternate versions of Goku's, and Vegeta's routes (Maybe Gohan's too?). Broly in general is a lot more powerful in games than the movies present him as, likely because of Koyama's statements. IIRC, Ultimate Tenkaichi had power levels past Namek saga, and Broly's was just below Omega's.

I wish Jiren looked cooler for what he is.

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>>560180248
What should he look like? Maybe normal ears? Some hair? What's up with all these hole ears anyways.

>>560171778
>Super Broly is massively more popular than Z Broly.
Nope, he's not
Just because DBS Broly raked in tons of money doesn't make Super!Broly himself more popular Z!Broly. Especially when Bandai and Bamco are still shilling him up to this day
Besides he's still leeching off of Z!Broly's popularity. That "Broly" you see in Super is just Broly in name and skin only

>>560181681
>More people seeing his movie and liking him doesn't make him more popular because two companies are using his popularity to make money
It's exactly what it does exactly.
>>560181614
>What's up with all these hole ears anyways.
That's how Toriyama think alien ears should be like. Like how demons have pointy ears.

>>560171470
More like Bandai will still prioritize Toei Bardock, Toei Broly and even Grand Turd because they actually makes money where it really matters lol
I'm talking about the toys and DB is pretty much a toyetic franchise which is why you have characters pop out new forms. DB makes most of its revenue from toys
And if sales don't do well, they'll always go back to nostalgia pandering and milk out Toei Bardock, Toei Broly and GT (only SSJ4)
Sales >>> the opinion of canon purists
Money talks

>>560182539
>they actually makes money where it really matters
I don't think 'nowhere' matters tho since they make less money on every level.

>>560182539
>Money talks
Yup, Daima and DBS Broly separately making more than GT, the Z Broly movies and the Bardock special talks really loudly.

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>>560182721
Not really lol
Broly's box office is peanuts to DB's toy sales aka the real moneymaker of this franchise
Vidyas too which is why you see GT SSJ4 pop up so often
Even when Toriyama gives his own twist to old ideas people still prefer the originals lmao

>>560184089
>Broly's box office is peanuts to DB's toy sales aka the real moneymaker of this franchise
Good thing those aren't related to Z Broly and Super Broly is a best seller there too.

>>560184089
>Okay, Super Broly made more money but if you compare it to the entire franchise's revenue, it's smaller!
The fact the only thing you could find that made more money than Super Broly was literally every toy ever sold by DB alone shows that you're wrong.

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osu!

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>>560184396
More like DBS Broly is a bestseller because of Z Broly lol
When they actually need money they go to Z Broly

>>560184089
>Picture show Daima showing up the most and DBS Broly is repped twice by Gogeta and Broly while Z Broly is repped once and GT only once too

>>560184596
Glad you could admit DBS Broly is the best seller there.
Which is why his movie is more successful than Z Broly's and he continue to be more successful in every metric.
Nobody care about your headcanon about situations that never happened.

>>560184589
You're right, instead of arguing over salesfaggotry, we should talk about Girlku.

Personally? I would not fuck Girlku.

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>>560184727
Thanks to the nostalgia of Z Broly yes lol
Toys make more money for DB than movies ever do and is the reason why DB even outsold Gundam lol

Sorry you have to cope

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>>560184820
That's okay, we know who would.

>>560184921
Weird how that supposed Nostalgia doesn't result in Z Broly's movie getting any more view or making any more money.
>You have to cope with me trying to change the topic to toy sales in general because Z Broly can't compete
That's pathetic.

>>560184921
So Super Broly makes more than Zly.

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>>560185035
Nice cope trying to compare a 1993 anime movie that only came out in Japan when DB wasn't even out yet overseas to a 2018 movie where DB is mainstream lol
Besides Z Broly made $21m in Japan alone. Super Broly didn't make much in Japan. Only $34m there and $31m dom lmao
>>560185232
Not according to toy sales
And toy sales >>> box office
See >>560184596
And Z Broly sells more than Super Broly lol. Also gets featured more in vidyas than Super Broly

>>560186551
>See things that say nothing about Z Broly selling anything
So Super Broly makes more.

>>560186420
>>560186551
saw that

>>560186551
>How dare you compare the two things we're comparing?! Z Broly never stood a chance! You're coping!
Sorry the Z non-canon movie you never watched wasn't as successful as you thought compared to the one that's actual good and people like.

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>>560186853
Only because Super Broly came out when anime already became mainstream so your cope doesn't work on me lmao
It barely made more money than Z Broly in Japan anyways. Only $34m there and that was with Toriyama's seal of approval lol
OP Stampede made $48m and that was filler btw
>>560186907
Yeah pic was of shitty quality
>>560186941
$21 million dollars btw
Japan alone and didn't need to mass release worldwide lol
Also sells more toys as the icing on the cake lol

>>560187553
Say lol more, it'll totally change you admitted I was right and you were wrong.

>>560187553
>$21 million dollars btw
So Super Broly made more.
Also it says 'worldwide' on your screenshot.

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>>560187781
Nah, I'm right
And you're wrong
>>560187898
From Wikipedia too btw lol
Same page just scroll down and read

>>560188408
pull tail pull tail pull tail pull tail pull tail

>>560188408
Grandpa Gohan was so lucky.

>>560188154
Yet you admitted Super Broly make more, how weird.

>>560188154
>This adds to a total of
So it's the worldwide number.

Anyone got that "kill toyopaco" video

>>560195709
>wait until Genkidamatsuri
-[You're here]-
>wait until Battle Hour
>wait until Jump Festa
>wait until Moro arc starts airing
>wait until Moro arc ends
>wait until Granolah arc starts airing
>wait until Granolah arc ends
He's already DED.

fusions 2

>>560204256
Working on it.

>>560204256
They'll add Gohanks and Karoly to Gekishin eventually.

>>560218730
Gohan, Goku and Z Broly

>>560218730
good morning chrono

I wish Gokhan was real.

>>560229260
Sex with Kamin and Oren.

>>560229260
Hugs with Hatchiyack.

Cum in kamin

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I don't care if you're a guy get in Caulifla's body.

>>560233591
Is that gay or not, I can't tell

>>560191212
See >>560187553
>Only because Super Broly came out when anime already became mainstream so your cope doesn't work on me lmao
>>560191975
Read again lol
>In Japan, the film sold 3.5 million tickets and grossed ¥2.33 billion ($21 million).
Z Broly made all of his money in Japan alone
That .7 out of the 21m is the 600k from America and a little some from Mexico
It all don't matter though box office is peanuts to DB, they make all their cash from toys and vidyas where Z Broly is invincible under the sun lol

Is it true that CC2 only makes anime games to fund their original projects and that shitty storm connections game, the Daima DLCs they half assed, and Kimetsu 2 are the last anime games they’re making?

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>>560233158
Rebuilding the Tuffle empire with Kamin.

Something that i've always wondered is how many times in this series has Broly actually been meaningfully harmed? Like including basically all media? Most of the time in Heroes he's just pushed into a dimensional crack or something and not actually really damaged. Even in something like Second Coming the family kamehameha merely pushes him. Is that one punch in the first movie the only time broly's actually been hurt by a person?

>>560240157
Yeah, just that punch. Broly, at least Z Broly's entire shtick is no selling everything.

>>560241023
the collective power of a bunch of half dead z fighters beats gogeta, I guess. Something else i've always been skeptical on is the claim that Broly destroys a galaxy based on the graphic of South Galaxy dissapearing. Because like, doesn't the movie take place in South Galaxy? we straight up see Goku IT to a planet broly's razed in south galaxy and it's still there, just devastated.

>>560233778
Only if either of you makes it gay

>>560241238
Yes, South Galaxy was still aroukd for Goku to teleport to, but its planets were devastated. Further proof that powerscaling dumbasses don't actually watch the media they argue over.

>>560233967
>See me admitting you're right and fake laughing to hide the tears
Good job finally admitting the truth.

>>560233967
>That .7 out of the 21m is the 600k from America and a little some from Mexico
So 21m is the worldwide and number and DBS Broly made more both in Japan and worldwide.
>>560243260
>accuse people of not watching
>didn't watch the movie and see the galaxy LITERALLY being destroyed on screen
Kill yourself.

>>560247158
>>didn't watch the movie and see the galaxy LITERALLY being destroyed on screen
Well yes that's the dillema, we see a graphic of south galaxy slowly kind of fading out, but also the movie straight up takes place in south galaxy and we even see an intact planet that he only just razed. Even the "plot" half is having paragus send vegeta on a wild goose chase around south galaxy looking for the guy

>>560241238
>>560243260
It's your turn to have unsupported headcanon, even the dudes who made the movies confirmed that yes, he did destroy a galaxy. That's literally THE thing the movie state unambiguously as possible.
Anything else like 'Oh, he just 'devastated' the planets without destroying them' is just as much of a headcanon as 'Oh, Broly was reminded of being stabbed by Goku crying'.

>>560247429
>Anything else like 'Oh, he just 'devastated' the planets without destroying them' is just as much of a headcanon
That's not a headcanon, though. We straight up see Goku teleport to one of said planets when he's trying to track Broly's Ki. Hence the confusion.

>>560247380
>but also the movie straight up takes place in south galaxy
It's not because you destroy a galaxy that the place itself disappear and the south galaxy is multiple galaxies anyway.
You can blow up a galaxy and still have a few straggling planets, like when Freeza blow up Namek and there are still chunks flying in space.
>Even the "plot" half is having paragus send vegeta on a wild goose chase
Didn't he just invite them to his 'New Vegeta'? The plot was to kill him there, not travel anywhere else.

>>560247614
>Didn't he just invite them to his 'New Vegeta'? The plot was to kill him there, not travel anywhere else.
Paragus did do that, but also stalled him out in this convoluted plan by sending him on a wild goose chase around space looking for broly around in order to try and get him destroyed by a meteor that was coming for the planet. Which like realistically by that point surely they could've just destroyed said meteor but idk man broly has a weird plot/

>>560247823
>Which like realistically by that point surely they could've just destroyed said meteor but idk man broly has a weird plot/
The idea was probably they'd die in space from the planet being destroyed before they realize a meteor is hitting the planet.

>>560247930
it was a pretty obvious meteor and you could see it from around the area where they were staying given paragus' escape pod was just around the castle.

>>560248069
Never said it was a GOOD idea

Not gonna lie, a DB TTRPG could be fun.

>>560246314
I like the idea of Marron also being a dwarf as she gets older

>>560247158
>>560247429
>>560247614
The movie POINTS OUT that Broly had attacked and devastated those planets, that's why Goku could teleport to them. This isn't headcanon.

>>560250259
And then when Broly actually 'attack' a planet on screen, he one shot it with a casual ki blast.

>>560249713
Consider: shortstack Marron

>>560250524
I don't think anyone's arguing that broly is incapable of destroying planets, just that he demonstrably did not to some of them

>>560250524
And? That's irrelevant to what is being said. There are still planets in South Galaxy, ones Goku could teleport to because Broly attacked them directly. That means Broly wiping out the galaxy isn't as absolute as the opening suggested.

>>560250682
The point is that those planets were clearly planets he attacked under Paragus's order vs destroying the galaxy when the control slipped. Thus New Vegeta is damaged with slaves instead of dust and how they have soldiers.

>>560250980
I mean we see what happens when paragus' control slips and broly going legendary super saiyan didn't immediately destroy the place they were.

>>560250950
>And?
And it's very relavant that when Broly actually attack a planet, it becomes dust instantly and casual, there's no 'devastation'.
>suggested
Weird way to say 'Unambiguously showed and confirmed', you're just trying to make something super simple complicated. Broly is shown destroying a galaxy, Broly is meant to have destroyed a galaxy so he did destroy a galaxy. Anything else is mental gymnastics or just being obtuse.

>>560250980
>vs destroying the galaxy when the control slipped.
This is headcanon, and contradicted by the fact that Goku TELEPORTED TO A PLANET IN SOUTH GALAXY THAT BROLY ATTACKED. It can't BE THERE if the GALAXY IS GONE.

>>560251096
Yeah cause he wanted to kill Goku and co and torment the people there, they still say he was gonna destroy everything if not stopped now and he was getting continuously more unhinged and destructive as his power overflowed.

>>560251137
How is a planet IN SOUTH GALAXY still actually there if THE GALAXY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DESTROYED?

>>560251298
>and he was getting continuously more unhinged and destructive as his power overflowed.
No? Are we wrapping back around to the headcanon of broly's power growing because that was never established to be a thing. He wasn't even growing more unhinged or anything he's pretty consistent since the start of the fight till the end.

This is exactly why powerscalers should never be taken seriously. They do not watch the things they argue about.

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>>560251176
>THIS TREE CAN'T BE THERE IF THE PLANET IS GONE!!!!! NAMEK DIDN'T BLOW UP!!! THE MOVIE IS HEADCANON!!!!!
This is how retarded you're sounding.
Take a deep breath and watch the movie for once.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jEiiT5RDo

>>560250590
imagine getting manhandled by her tiny body

>>560251551
Anon, the PLANET IS THERE. Goku TELEPORTED THERE because BROLY ATTACKED IT. Fucks sake, are you being this obtuse on purpose?

>>560251545
>You are not accepting my headcanon?! HOW DARE YOU?! T-t-that m-m-make you a p-p-powerscaler!!!!! W-w-watch the m-m-movie!
You mean that movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jEiiT5RDo
Now kneel and say sorry.

>>560251705
>Anon, THE TREE IS THERE, Freeza IS THERE because HE BLEW NAMEK UP
You're still being retarded.
>It is obtuse to ease your eyes and ears
I am sorry your headcanon schizophrenia actually hit something that's unambiguously in the movie.

>>560251421
>Are we wrapping back around to the headcanon
No, we're addressing YOUR headcanon right now.
>because that was never established to be a thing.
Good thing I'm talking about when Broly's power overflowed and he clearly was losing control of it and screaming because of it. A scene in the movie. The one you didn't watch.

>>560251361
Same way a crumb of a chunk of Namek can still be there after it blew up or there are small crumbs left over after you eat something.

>>560252062
Anon I did watch the movie. His power overflowing is a fairly minor thing that just kind of devesates the planet and then they just kind of move on. Like it's not really signifying a particular change or escalation in the fight it just kind of happens. If anything it's just used to spread out all the fighters so piccolo can come in with senzus to start the next stage of the fight (nothing really changed but we can pretend like it's the next stage)

You keep circling around the problem of there being a contradiction between the two things shown on screen. A planet Broky attacked and devastated in South Galaxy is still there even though the opening shows stars in that galaxy going dark, Goku teleported to it directly. This is the heart of the matter.

>>560252197
That's not even remotely the same thing. You're justifying it with flimsy headcanon. Do you even remember WHY Goku can teleport to that planet?

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>>560251580
Based and hot.

>>560252215
It signify a pretty big change in Broly's control of himself and his power, he clearly lose control as the fight goes on, thus the outburst.

>>560252638
I just watched the movie the other day and I don't remember him getting any more particuarly unhinged or unstable as the fight went on? he was a cruel asshole from the beginning and remained a cruel asshole till the end. Like this isn't brought up or highlighted as "oh no broly is a time bomb that can blow up and kill us all" he just goes back to punching people and that's that.

>>560252445
>You're using basic logic instead of following my headcanon. Just stop watching the movie and ignore what is shown and what the characters repeat 50 times
Nah, I don't think I will.
>>560252295
A few straggler planets aren't a contradiction, same way the chunks of Namek don't contradict the planet got blown up.
A planet to a galaxy is smaller than dust is to us.

>>560252638
At what point does Broly actually lose control? Because he is very much in control for the vast majority of it, even when attacking Paragus.

>>560252765
The entire movie is Broly's escalating rampage, anon. He start calm and mind control, the control start slipping more and more until he break through it, does his shit with his actual personality until his power overflow and just spill out everywhere and we have no indication that'd be a one off event.
Broly isn't a time bomb because he's gonna destroy anything regardless of his power overflowing or not tho.

>>560252791
The issue is that it can't be a straggler planet because Broly had to explicitly be there in order for Goku to use IT to teleport to that planet.
>>560252993
But again that's just not true, there's no change between broly's demeanor before or after the "my power is growing, overflowing" moment. Like do you have an actual example of this supposed personality shift?

>>560252805
The one where he goes 'my ki is overflowing' and goes apeshit for a bit. That didn't look controlled at all.

>>560253108
>The issue is that it can't be a straggler planet because Broly had to explicitly be there in order for Goku to use IT to teleport to that planet.
The movie never follow IT rules, just look at Metal Cooler and Goku fighting within IT.
>>560253108
I didn't say his personality shifted, I said his control slipped because his ki overflowed. Broly is a murderous asshole either way.
And how is that not true? The entire movie is based on Broly rampaging more and more until he goes LSSJ, dunk on everyone, has his power overflow, dunk even more and then get one shotted.

>>560252791
They aren't straggler planets, they are ones Broly attacked directly, his evergy was still there for Goku to sense. I will even use your own logic in this: picture this, Namek is shown to blow up. But then when King Cold arrives we don't see rubble, we see a planet still intact, just thoroughly devastated and in ruin. This is the contradiction.

>>560253108
>The issue is that it can't be a straggler planet because Broly had to explicitly be there
I mean, Broly explicitly wasn't there in the end, he was with Paragus and wearing the crown that kept him docile.
Maybe he left traces of ki after Paragus made him conquer the planet? But that's not how IT works either.

>>560253362
okay so you didn't actually watch the movie, you're just filling in things with your headcanon
Goku locked on to the energy he could sense and teleported there

>>560253362
His power overflowing happened extremely early on in the fight though, anon. The way you're phrasing it is as if Broly was slipping more and more as the fight went on when really that only happened when the fight just started and then never again after piccolo, then vegeta came in, then everyone eats shit.

anybody got the name of that movie with the live action chiaotsu getting folded and stuffed in a pot?

>>560253431
>I will use your logic: picture *something completely unrelated to your logic at all*
No, my logic is the exact same as what actually happened, there's no extrapolation. The galaxy was destroyed and there's still a few planets, just like Namek was destroyed and there's still a few chunks.

So this is the power of powerscaling... you don't have to even watch the thing, you can just make claims and force others to prove you wrong

>>560253575
>Goku locked on to the energy he could sense and teleported there
And that's not how IT works because there need to be a person there and Broly wasn't so no, the movie doesn't follow IT rules
>You didn't watch the movie because you keep mentioned stuff that happened in the movie and stuff people said in the movie
You're the one arguing with what's shown on screen BTW.

>>560253832
>Powerscaling is when a movie says stuff that make me cry and force me to screech at people who dare point out it
>I PROVED THE MOVIE!
Calm down, click on that link and start crying again: >>560251732

>>560240157
>Even in something like Second Coming the family kamehameha merely pushes him.
Well, the sun killed him. Aside from that, we have Budokai 3's intro where Gogeta quickly kills him, he loses in the alternate route of Goku's, Vegeta's and Gohan's alternate story modes, and he loses to SS3 Vegeta in one of the RB games (As a SS3 himself). He typically loses fights, but doesn't really get harmed in video games.

>This argument
I think I'll go with what King Kai had to on the topic.
>>560254027
He has a scratched up state in the games just like everyone else at least.

>>560254027
>Well, the sun killed him
Ye, I prefaced it as in a person explicitly harming him as opposed to a third party doing it like the sun so he can save face. I was looking for something explicitly like Goku's punch at the end of the first broly movie. Which those examples you gave work for

>>560253683
You can't still have "a few chunks" if you were actually there to ruin the planet and somehow its still intact. Here, I'll make this even easier for you:

Picture Cell winning, he kills Gohan with his Kamehameha, it shows him hit the sun and it explodes and destroys the Solar System. But then you see Babidi and Dabura show up on Earth and Earth looks like what it does in the Future with the Androids or Black, and not a rubble pile. Would you agree that there is a contradiction between these two things shown?

>>560254805
>if you were actually there to ruin the planet and somehow its still intact.
The planet is the chunk, retard. A galaxy isn't a planet.
>Picture this absolute nonsense that's not even close to what you said
Anon, missing 1/7 of your target vs having 0.000001% of your target damaged but not destroyed are completely different.

>>560254805
blowing up the sun wouldn't necessarily destroy earth as a planet. it would kill all complex life on the planet, plunge it into eternal frozen darkness, and send it loose into space, but the actual physical rock would probably still exist along with the decaying remnants of human creation on it. there'd probably even still be oceans and some geothermic life subsisting on the sea floor for a while, because the Earth even without the sun would still have an atmosphere and a functional inner core+mantle. it would be a frozen pitch black rock dotted with the occasional volcano.

>>560253989
You didn't even watch the Broly fight, you're going off internet statements, not what's shown in the movie

>>560255402
>not what's shown in the movie
You mean like the galaxy being shown getting destroyed in the movie as I've shown?
Weird how what I say and show is in the movie but your cope isn't.

>This argument is still going
That's what happens when you don't listen to King Kai.