St. Patrick's Day Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/post-220287>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>560610337
Sex with Venator
They should buff Silver.
Girls exchanging fluids with girls
REWORK GRAVES 1 OR 3MAKE HER A SPIRIT CASTER NOT AN M1 WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE A GOOD 2 AND ULT
>browsing deadlock reddit for fanart>see this post>month old account and this is their ONLY postI'd bet you ¥100 that this is Mikaels on an alt being a narcissistic attention whore (PLEASE DONT FORGET ME!!!)
Fun game there Valve.
>>560661517real schizo hours
Is it me or is Holliday the character played by the sweatiest people? (maybe tied with Calico)
Vibe coded this tier list
>>560661517Aren't you bringing even more attention to him by posting about it?
>>560661734that's MikaelS samefagging dude
>>560661684Holiday takes more skill than you can comprehend just to be barely competentNone of her skills are forgiving at all
The black woman of Valve unoriginality. These are two different characters.
>>560661517Cheating aimbot nigger btw
>>560661504they should give her a big dumb ghoul as ult or one of her abilities and then you can shoot it with your m1 to heal it and steer it around with your mouse
>ganking the enemy Victor together>ulting at midboss or patron together>having unfinished models and effects togetherHaze + Seven OTP!There is NO better couple in Deadlock!
>>560661504>bro can't figure out the most balanced and honest characterNGMI
Genuinely what THE FUCK are you supposed to do in this scenario? This is a "balanced game"? Decades of Dota 2 developing experience led to this? Is Yoshi a fucking subhuman nigger retard or what?
All my games today have been lost due to the enemy team simply having more broken characters. Draft mode when?
>>560662409stop playing dogshitplay dynamo
>>560662249I know how to play her I just wish she was better in a different way.>>560662047I liked the old leak that had one of her (non ult) skills as a single larger ghoul.
>>560662603>just be a subhuman nigger meta slave
>>560647390Just revert her to her state before the big patch, she was completely fine and balanced
>>560662249You did not reply to me here >>560660919
>>560662669>how do I win :(>play good character>but :(your choice
>>560662409>no counterspell>no knockdown>no unstoppable>no silencing waveyou could not feed for one...
>>560662409You got pooped on, what you were supposed to do is not get pooped on
>>560662848retarded nigger, items literally do not matter if they are all fucking fed and are bullshit meta heroes that become unkillable machines if they happen to be just 100 souls ahead
>>560662409>melee venator against a bunch of people who either beat you in melee or will never be in range to get shotgun stunnedskill issue desu
>>560661087Why have some said gun geist is better than spirit? pumping up her bomb's damage is just the most viable path.
>>560662848Every player on your team can buy all of those and Calico/Victor still win.
>>560662409>rem item
she's so useless
>>560662939>>560663014>>560662848>just don't get matched against bullshit unbalanced 60% winrate nigger babboon nigga monkey subhuman vantablack nigger mandingo lips bitch hero
>>560662409>play meme build>lose
>>560662409This is my team when I play Rem
>>560663032Gun + 2 makes her absurdly good in 1v1sI don't do it because I hate her gun but I fully understand why
>>560663032Geist works as a hybrid nigga
>>560663032Bombs look good on a scoreboard but don't win games outside of brawl
>>560662409This is literally me the moment i climb to new league/rank. I go from Arcanist 6 to Ritualist I or something and get blasted with a game like this and get bumped down 2 ranks. It's retarded as fuck.
The soulful "I play who I have fun with :)"VSThe soulless "I play the black characters because theyre op rn and I'm spiritually black"
>>560662989>items literally do not matter if they are all fucking fedthats why i said dont feed nigger. learn to read.>unkillable machines if they happen to be just 100 souls aheadi know youre retarded but jesus you should uninstall. try cocomelon.>>560663063>Every player on your team can buy all of those and Calico/Victor still win.items do require some skill, but then its just a skill issue. calico and vic cant do their bullshit when silenced. for vic, id suggest just getting an inhibitor. if you really want me to be pedantic, get curse.all of this is mute because in the future ill just say draft better. GAME IS IN ALPHA
>>560663185>>560663269He was just kill stealing in lane basically. Complete meme build and did nothing.
>>560663276>>560663338>>560663376What is a good build to lean more on her gun then?
>>560663475the game has been in "alpha" for 2 years you dumb nigger but keep spreading your ass cheeks for yoshi and the retard dev team to fuck you
>>560663202You know you can actually choose the items you're building AFTER you get into the game, it's a really helpful feature because sometimes you don't want to buy certain items after seeing who you're facing. Hope this tip helps you in your future endeavors!
>>560663202wow another person that cant fucking read.>I SHOULD BE ABLE TO QUEUE INTO ANYTHING AND NOT PLAY AROUND THEM OR CHANGE MY BUILD AT ALL REEEEEEEtry cocomelon. more your speed. faggot.
>>560663475i'd love to see you win that game you moronic faggot
>>560661719Ivy absolutely creates chaos>Get vacuum webbed into ult into kudzu double stunAAAAAAAAA
>>560663578Max 2 + healing tempo + frenzy
>>560663578Look at what the NS niggas do but basically you get tanky and gun and abuse 100% berserker max stack uptime so you're impossible to fight without getting grouped on
>>560662409>not even bullshit calico build
>>560663768>you see i would simply buy four cc items and use my zero damage to kill them while they are debuffed for 2.5s oh wait I'm dead again
>>560663652
Amazing how melee items went from niche to a throw on all but like 2-3 characters now.
>play Ivy>Good m1gger on my team>win>play ivy>No m1iggers on my team>losesimple as
The devs are adverse to roles and categorization for the roster, but I think you should be able to sort by what type of gun each character has as it still determines a bit about their playstyle.
>>560663998it was cool that you could pick up melee items on amyone to make an early game power curve
>>560664167The sad part about it is you don't even need them to be a good m1gger you just need them to be remotely sentient to dick on the person you just double stunned for four seconds. Now unfortunately that's too much to ask from some retards in this game.
>>560664494Yeah I'm sorry that's bullshit they 100% balance characters towards specific rolls and builds.
>>560663768>some faggot crying after feeding all game in a tough matchup>give some options to at least try and win>ITLL NEVER WORKguess youre right. maybe you should cry some more about it. in fact, maybe uninstall and never play again because its so upsetting for you. make sure to change your diaper.>>560663890>give 4 options and tell them not to feed>WOW YOU WANT ME TO BUY ALL 4 ITEMS!?!?!cocomelon or a gallon of bleach. either or.
>>560664576they will deny it over and over, and say that anyone can play any role
>>560664679>0.08 bullet damage growthyou can build spirit ivy, melee ivy and support ivy. gun requires so much investment that you could just be raping on any gun character in half the time.
>>560664494>you should be able to sort by what type of gun each character hasi really like that. you should post it on the forums.
>>560662409what the hell are you trying to do with that build, man
remember when characters used to have multiple viable builds instead of being balanced around 1 singular build like league?
>launch game>realize there's STILL no cool battle nun in the game yet>exit gameit's like they want this game to fail
>>560663269Deserved for that rem buildThe worst part isn't even the fact he lost with egg still in his inventory
>>560665084There will probably be one at some point.
>>560664679who's they and where can I get them to deny questions? I see people infer intentions from the devs or speak on their behalf but never the devs saying it. I wish they would do what even terrible balance teams likw Hunt Showdown's do and include a rationale or goal with the changes
>>560665014Nope that was never true, you were just a shitter back then playing in pisslow
>>560664793Ivy was actually a great example of them not actually wanting free builds. They didn't want her as damage, but support, so they nuked her spirit, then they nuked her gun and she was shit at everything for a bit, then eventually they bit the bullet and overhauled her a little to get what we have now.
matchmaking is getting even to my dotard friends, I dont expect a single random to carry but I expect them to not lose the game in the first 10 minutes. How are so many people consistently hard losing lane outside of going against someone 3 divisions higher or your lane partner griefing.>just lane janny and kite out when you see 1 of 3 hitlers your other lanes madeno, the only time I can remember the game being worse was when people insisted on double dipping just being part of the game now.
>>560664638anime retarded subhuman nigger lmao>b-buy items :nerd_emoji:yes so i can do even less damage and they are stunned for 0.5s and take no damage and kill us all latersubhuman nigger
>>560665084>battle nun>cool
>>560665264traditional deadlock:>spirit ivy VIABLE>gun ivy VIABLE>tank ivy VIABLE>punch ivy VIABLEmodern deadlock:>you vil play ze support ivy and you vil be happy!
>>560664793>character gutted for not playing like how devs intended thanks for proving my point
>>560664638>>560663475>>560662848post game id you retarded monkey, let's see you play against that matchup faggot
>>560665084Sorry best I can do for you is nun Paige skin in a year.
>>560665582Wrong, back then only gun ivy was viable, you were just a shitter playing in pisslow
>>560665582In "Traditional deadlock" no one knew wtf was going on, so you could get away with anything
>>560665582anon you have spoken the truth, ready yourself for combat
>>560665084surely there is a femVenator skin mod
>>560662409>that Rem buildholy shit
>>560663186she gets better 200 games in, trust. Plus don't trust builds for this character. She's so bad and her pickrate is so low that there is actually something to be gained by making your own build. Everyone defaults to barrel spam because they either can't let go of the time when her barrels were broken or fell for the "she's literally donkey kong" meme. she actually has the tools to be good with mixed damage that can't be fully countered by a single (non-curse) item.
>>560665014>>560665582m1 carry paradox... home...
Is it just me or do McGinnis turrets feel even worse now despite being buffed?>>560664793Ivy was viable as each type of build and the devs nerfed her each time because they wanted you to play support on her.
I feel useless as Bebop the moment I don't have at least a teammate next to me. But when there's an enemy Bebop chasing me, they always deal insane amounts of damage on their own.
Remember Ivy randomly having lower melee damage until 2 patches ago for no reason
The player variety in this game needs work you either get in a game with chill dudes or the fags who think chud is a insult.
>>560666148I'll trade you the constant m1 mains talking shit and seething every game
>>560666137>for no reasonSelf expose, it was an old nerf from when her stoneform stun garunteed a heavy melee
>>560665820im trying to not lose faith here
>¡Despegar!>I am not finished yet!
>>560663032Bomb is literally >do the most most hero damage >lose
>>560666667>i GOT this.
it's crazy the amount of people in high ranks that complain about bebop while also refusing to get dispel and/or counterspell
>>560666336Yeah we'd never let a character guarantee a heavy melee, that'd be crazy.
>one sided stop game >multiple team mates with 9+ deaths>look up profiles of enemy team>multiple obvious smurfs/bought accounts
>>560666845thank you for using Sasha's boosting servicesomeone paid 10k RUB for this
>>560665679funny how that retard shut his mouth once you asked for proof lmaogame is unbalanced shit because Yoshi has no idea what the fuck he's doing
>>560665776yeah and the minute people "solve" the game it becomes dogshitmany such cases!
>>560666954Proof of what. How does asking someone for a match ID of a game they didn't play in make any sense.
>eat shit the entire game>doesn't matter because we have a Wraith on our team and she can 1v6 because they used all their CCs on meI like to think I enabled our victory but I know I am simply bad at this game
>>560667097>n-nigga just b-buy meme items against this unwinnable match against most busted heroes in the game>n-no i won't post a match where i turn a losing game around with good items b-because i just won't ok?????????
This nigga is mind broken and asking for an ID of a match he was the one playing
>>560666667>gets Knockdowned the microsecond she enters my field of viewNot on my watch pendejo
>>560667537she flies at Mach 2 and can still stone form on top of you before it goes offyou WILL get your pelvis crushed
Should I buy the frost thing or slow hex on shiv?
>>560667712Nobody said loving a gargoyle would be easy
>>560662409Late, but you're a retard who deserves to lose. Melee ven is not a thing he literally has one of the best guns in the game. Toxic bullets and slowing hex would have shut down their whole team alone.
why does the minion build even exist for graves? if you are not going m1gger graves you are throwing
>>560668097People pick her wanting to be a necromancer rather than a vacuum
>>560667712>stone form is now on cooldown leaving her with no escape or damageAll part of my master planActually just forcing her to cancel flight to prevent unavoidable objective damage is usually my intention
>>560668097I want a NECROMANCERnot another variety of M1Jesus christ they need to rework her 1 or 3 into actual spirit damage skills. She needs a low CD nuke like a bomb or something.
Abrams won’t stop coming!
>>560668491AAAAAAAAARGH!https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/voicelines?voiceline=atlas_use_power4_09_alt_01.mp3
unfortunately all my posts on the forums begging for graves skill reworks/spirit viability have 0 views
>>560668071Pros buy mostly melee now actually. And it's good to do early for jungle farming.
Is this correct?>early gamefirst 10 minutes of game>mid game10 - 20 minutes into game>late game20+ minutes into game
Just buff graves gun damage to be equal to like warden or something.
>>560666516I've been making/tweaking my own build since the start of the new 6 heroes update, and I am getting close to 50% wins on Holli (including the losses I had playing barrel spam builds when I first played her). I at least want to get a respectable winrate in pisslow (archon) before trying to sell people on my holliday playstyle
>>560668910I'd extend late to 30 minutes
#RAPEYOSHI
>>560668097you are suppose to build gun early and build spirit late
>>560668949FUCK OFFFFF THATS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANT
>>560667725>post buildSorry I was at lunch, I don't follow a set path, I buy regen in lane based on matchup, into improved spirit and mystic vuln, then usually tesla, after that it's fully situational. Like I said the generally good items you want to definitely get>toxic>burstfire or fleet>inhibitor>ricochetInbetween those I get greens. Stam mastery, defensive items/reactive barrier or spirit shielding if needed, purple counter items. Skill max order is 1 point in skulls for the slow upgrade, max tombstone, max suck, max skulls, max wall. General play style is agression in lane knowing you out trade or out heal most people, mantle slide onto them use dashes to get out while they fight off the skulls. Move to mid game you farm the wave, drop tomestone, rotate or jungle and repeat looking for kills/ walker opportunities. You're good for the urn too either pushing lane to make space for it to come in or dropping in your lane then running it yourself to the otherside of the map. Extreme luxury items are shit like echo shard, spirit burn, leech, all after you upgrade to EE and capacitor. Don't sleep on strong rundown items like hunters aura or juggernaut if your team needs a frontline btw
>>560667160>Try to do a little bit of farming>Just push a wave off walker>3 enemies show up>Double digit deaths>Carries are getting free farm >They don't even have anyone that scales of camping me like Mosifar and Kareem Honestly I just put on an episode of kitchen nightmares and wait for the free win.
>>560668071>Toxic bullets and slowing hex would have shut down their whole team alone.lmaooooo this is the delusion of average dlg-tard
>>560668842Yea leave it to the pros nigger. I've never seen a melee ven win a single game. You aren't a coordinated 6 stack using the shotgun to choke objectives. You're a shitty initiate player losing to Victor
>>560668910You should start building late game items around 20min but actual late game is more like 30+
>>560668686>0 viewsdon't you get 1 view from yourself when you first make it? if that's not the case then at least 1 dev saw my post...
>>560669030Actually no everyone just builds more gun debuffs late. The only spirit people build or her is CD & duration.
>>560661517I remember the aimbot yes, most inorganic aim I've seen in a while.
>>560668686yoshi prints out all suggestions and hero ideas to a little wall of shame nook in the valve office
>>560668910late is 30 mins, early is maybe 9
>>560668612keep scrolling down, it gets even better
>>560669328No I had the default 1 I just don’t count it.
>>560669585ok, so the devs only looked at my other post sperging out about a single gloat portrait.
>>560669793shoulda been nicer lil gup
>>560669543desperation voice lines are too soulful for 2015+11
Which schizomovement tricks do you personally think should be removed or altered?
Haze is RIGHT here!
Is there any hope for a Grey Talon rework at this point in development? I hate that his bow is just a gun reskin with a clip rather than a fucking high damage single shot bow and it sucks since conceptually playing the old as fuck bow using Native American legend is cool, but i hate that you either build him into a bullet hose making the bow seem silly, or you rely on spamming one ability all game and hope people are too retarded to buy spirit resistance
>>560669973That one where you get an extra jump if you're character is airborne and next to a wall, I think it's called wall-jumping or something
>>560669973holiday riding on 1 mm of a ledge near urn drop off because I cant figure out how to do it
>>560669973Diagonal dashing being faster is stupidEdge boosting is dumb but whateverGetting off the zipline should have the same momentum regardless of button
>>560669973Ledge sliding is why 90% of the 4stamina gang are so oppressive across the whole map, remove it and suddenly rotations take twice the time and hyper mobile assassin aren't an auto win.
>>560669973they already removed all of them
>>560670060
>>560669973None. Removing movement that isn't bugged(like super slides and anything involving mouse wheel) is retarded. Skill expression is number 1 priority in the game.>>560670121Every character can do this btw she just has it easier
>>560669938Nta but I legit love when I'm at low health and hit them with a hotel visit and this plays https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/voicelines?voiceline=doorman_desperation_power4_01.mp3
Who put that there
>>560670109It's called walljump, it can be glitched to do edgeboosts and cornerboosts. Which give a lot of forward or upwards momentum.
>>560670319Remodel isn't a rework, I doubt any of those characters will get a significant kit change besides maybe Sinclair getting different spells between male/female form.
All these bebop builds made me start bomb and obsess over getting stacks but turns out the hook hero works better if you focus on the hook
>>560670519None of those heroes received changes in the last major balance update so reworks might be on the table
>>560669973Not complex but I'll say that infinite ammo while sliding has been a dumb and annoying idea from the start.
>>560670319Oh shit I didn't know this was a thing going on. Time to dump my votes into Chief FirewaterAnd maybe a couple for Yamato since her ayylmao look when she's just supposed to be a Japanese person rather than a cryptid is a bit silly
>>560670634>bebopThe bombing and stacks is the fun way, but his regular tank heal off uppercut and hook is probably the most useful one.Gun bebop also isn't super terrible if your team is lacking gun damage.
>>560670335>Removing movement that isn't buggedA lot of the movement techs are arguably bugs. Or at least untintended interactions.Whether that creates the game environment the developers want, or is positive is a different situation to talk about.A lot of the movement techs are super unintuitive or awkward to execute because they're just unintended, compressing the skill gap on them wouldn't actually ruin anything except maybe for people that put 1000 hours into learning some of them.
>>560669016>50% winrateman...
>there are retards ITT unironically defending Victor, Wraith and CalicoLMAOOOO
>>560670950Victor and Calico need to be gutted, their counters are not intuitive especially when they're often too farmed for counter-items to matter
Venator ult voice line is pure SEX
>>560670950I was about to ask you what the fuck was wrong with Victor but then remembered I was thinking of VenatorFuck Frankenstein, that fucking faggot character. Hyper carries are gay and lame in this
>>560661087I am so serious they need to revert this fucking patchevery game is fucking VICTOR IVY WRAITH DOORMAN CALICOI am so fucking tired of it
>>560671101>counters are not intuitive>heal tank>buy antiheal>movement spam>buy antimovement???
>>560670950The answer is obvious and simple, and it's insane that we still haven't had it happen.Victor should be disruptive and difficult to kill but not largely impactful on his own, so the ideal play is to kill his team around him.Instead he is just disruptive, difficult to kill and does infinity damage by holding W and getting you in stink cloud range.
>>560671101>"dude if you just bought Toxic Bullets he would melt, this is totally Yoshi intended design! doesn't matter he's 20k ahead!">t. some fucking subhuman retard who survived a curbstomping from his mothercase in point:>>560664638>>560663475>>560662848
>>560670885They're intended because we've had the source engine and have known about them for years. The majority of movement tech in this game can be learned in an hour, and put to use in real games immediately. The only things you can't immediately grasp is the route memorization for specific tech. There's nothing else complex in the game, period.
hitting mina shots is so fucking hard in lane due to the low fire rate, any mina 1tricks with suggestions? buy rapid early?
>>560671279Healbane and Slowing Hex aren't gonna matter when they're 10k souls ahead of every other player
i love victor so much
>>560661913Holliday is literally braindead easy the moment you figure out you press melee on your faggot barrels dont need to learn movement because jump pads give you free movement + air controlbarrels have the size of half the map and do stupid damagelasso ult is impossible to miss if you're not a retard that keeps trying to fling it at max range like it's a bebop hooklasso ult is basically a free kill if your team isn't retarded
>>560671345>They're intended because we've had the source engine and have known about them for yearsThere's a difference between intended feature and accepted quirk that becomes a feature.No one intended instant air dashes, wall jumping into vents etc.
>>560671446>lasso ult is basically a free kill if your team isn't retardedThe team is retarded in 90% of matches below ascendant.
>it's been an hour and this ritualist retard is still seething at better players for telling him his build is retarded and you can manage calico, victor, with good itemization>he never mentions Seven(highest winrate hero in the game) because he's a brainwashed reddit ape who only regurgitates information rather than using critical thinkingThis is why you lose to those heros, not just because your build is shit, but because you're incapable of seeing your own faults
>>560671250Calling Doorman on the same tier as the rest of them is a bit disingenuous considering he already got his bells dialed back again
Silver Silver Silver Silver Silver Silver Silver Silver Silver
>>560671758>he struggles with sevenlol just buy the anvillmao evenhow is getting killed by seven even real nigga ha ha hajust drop an anvil on his head
holy fuck this dumb nigger character wraith is fucking retarded
IN HERE, *I* AM KING.
>>560671758Seven is an honest hero, Victor and Calico are dishonest, any questions?
>>560671964Yea, post your rank
Holy fuck, fuck doorman cringe ass tower boy character. If you play doorman you are a certified nigger. Never thought my hatred for Mina and Bebop would be outlasted by this faggot.
What the fuck did I do to deserve thisthe game took 38 minutes to end
>>560672054Enjoy your stay!
>>560671758have you considered all these hitler characters being on the same team and thus yolu now have to itemize for all of them?kill yourself>>560671786yeah the problem was totally his bells and not his faggot ult that gives him free unstoppable and resets the CD to 13 seconds if you dont escapeon heroes with low stam or no movement abilities you need to buy warp stone to get out of it he can also just slowing hex knockdown ult you so you don't get out anyway
>>560672131Have you considered I'm 5 rank divisions away from you and have played against similar or worst drafts. Your seething means nothing to me because you don't understand the fundamentals of the game to begin with. You're like a retarded child losing at rock paper scissors because you only know 1 move.
>>560665516this games not for you. go watch cocomelon or play overwatch.>>560665679>"UNLESS YOU PLAY THE EXACT SAME COMP...">refuses to buy a single counter item OR not feedgo play overwatch>>>560666954>haha he didnt insta respondbecause i was playing the game faggot. thank CHRIST you dont.>>560671318>refuse to buy counter items>refuse to not feedoverwatch. im probably replying to the same person multiple times, but idk. probably cries about marathon too LOL!like at the end of the day, the player in that game hard fed and nobody even attempted to buy counters. what is there to discuss?!?!RUNNING IT DOWN AND BUYING THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER BUILD EVERY GAME IS A SKILL ISSUE GET GOOD
>>560672057You post tumblr fanfics. >>560672131I legit went out of my way to camp the last doorman I faced and this fucker tried to buy cheat death to stop me. Every time I killed him I teabagged him relentlessly Total Doorman Death.
>>560672131And what is the rest of my team doing as he blows 3 cooldowns on me?
>>560671403like the pistol shoots 2 bullets per minuteit feels so bad to use, imo mina would feel so much better if they made it so it shot 2x faster and love bites took 2x longer to charge
>>560672319Im not even that retarded melee venator, you're a tremendous faggot if you think the state of the game is okay at all regardless of if you falsely believe these characters can reliably be countered, consider they are fucking unfun to go against and you should drop yourself off the nearest bridge (remember to do a flip)
>>560671792Uh, Silver? Why are you looking at me like that?
>>560672429I hate tumblr fanfics, I only post 4chan fanfics
>>560672054>completely immune to CCnot when casting only after casting>no one else can do thisthat describes almost every ult in the game, and half of the abilities.>>560672131>on heroes with low stam or no movement abilities you need to buy warp stone to get out of itYou want dispel to clear any slow on you, you should have dispel anyway because it invalidates like a dozen characters and items.If you have 1 stam left when you get into the hotel you can escape very easily. Escaping with no stamina is a bit harder, warpstone makes it easy.You can parry the damage with counterspell, if you have any ability which gives you iframes you can dodge it as well.It's honestly very easy to get out and the 10 second cooldown is a meme that just stomps low ELOs who don't know how to get out.
Counters this and that aside spirit Seven is pretty braindeadLike even without his ult he just goes>Orbs lmao
>>560671403hit your shots, love bites builds up when you're closer mina always builds quicksilver reload on rake
>>560672619>doorman downplayer
>Seven>Geist>ParadoxI just throw shit out and my team wins every fight
>>560672131>items can invalidate their whole schtick>refuse to buy a single one>comparing to hitleryour post is not only gay and retarded. it is also deeply antisemitic. i have reported your post. enjoy your ban, -karma, and prison time (antisemitism is a federal crime).
>>560672557>reddit tier humorGo away nigger. >>560672619The point is delete Mina, Bebop and Doorman from the game all are nigger tier characters.
>Play into a doorfaggot and wolf laneJust spamming shit at us>The rest of their rage quits because our Mo and Krilliam is shitting on themPerfectly balanced as all things should be.
>be OP hero>get to live out your power fantasy building the items of your dreams while every cuck has to build healbane slowing hex curse to halt a mere fraction of your powerfeels soooo good
>>560672778I accept your concession
>>560672743He's useful, you're just dumb if you can't get out of the hotel.It's mostly countered by just normal movement items, you should have stamina mastery and or enduring anyway.
Is it spelt Morice or Maurice
So according to Deathy's podcast the strong heroes right now are Mo/Krill, Calico, Viscous, Ivy, Wraith. The OP ones are Mo/Krill and Wraith.Do you guys agree?
>>560672787>humorHE DOESN'T KNOW
>>560672863>be op hero>Get executed from 20% health
>>560672863Using your logic Haze is OP because I get 4 people minimum buying metal skin against me. >>560673027>furfaggotNot helping against the fanfic tumblr allegations nigger faggot.
>>560672652i have no problem aiming on wraith or some shit venatorbut this slow ass pistol takes me out every time, i can barely hit with it, maybe mina just isn't for me i guess
>>560673007I don't care what ecelebs think
>>560672619if you counterspell his ult's damage he still gets the CD reset and can still hit you with cart into wall stun after you get out (which is what you should be saving counterspell for)there was nothing wrong with his ult before. If there is anything that should be kept imo, it's the -1 stam, but move it to tier 3remove unstoppable, remove cooldown reset
>>560673007Nigga get yo whack ass out of here
bro you dont get it bro your latescaling character that needs certain items to be playable? bro you dont need those items instead buy 16k souls worth of counterbuild items bro what do you mean they will still oneshot you because theyre are fucking 16k souls above you bro its just really not that complicatedoh your 5 other teammates built to actually do something in the game? guess you arent able to stunlock one of the 4 retard broken characters running around in the game and you just lose every teamfight!oracle btw
>>560673007Wraith is definitely over tuned at least with infinite ammo on 3. That at least needs to get changed.Mohammud and Kareem are very team dependent. If their team doesn't help them get free stats from the ult they can very easily fall off at 20 minutes. Only really op in coordinated lobbies.
>>560673118Not my problemI accept your concession
>>560673229the need for counter items is a bandaid for poor balanceif heroes absolutely 100% require buying counter items for them not to become lobby admin every game, that is a failure of balance
>>560672906i accept you conceding you did nothing, suck cocks, shit in the road, and wipe your ass with your bare hands.
>>560673460your concession status: accepted
>Drifter has that hunter pounce dash animation>ult gives a bunch of sprint speedthey should instead give drifter unlimited stamina for the duration, since you can't attack during dashes it's not like it would be that OP.@grok crosspost this to the forums
>>560669973remove everything that isn't a baseline dash/slide/hopremove air drift bs and make it neutral air controlremove infinite ammo while sliding
Burst damage is too high.Healing is too high.The only hitpoints that matter are your last 600 cause being sneezed on will deal at least 600 damage.Too many characters have a get out of jail for free card in their kit or a form of invulnerability.
Why do you faggots want Doorman to be a shitty gimmick character again lmao
just got done jerking off to abrams
stop calling each other slurs
>>560673654Unfathomably based and true.
>>560673654I agree with all of this except slide infinite ammo, I think that's fine
>>560673425>I am a gay retard who eats poo pooYou could've just said that from the beginning.
>>560673708Have you seen the amount of Silver posters in the general? Think you'll find the answer there
>>560673725same but victor will go for a third time tonight
I asked Grok to tier these for me. Ranked based on the person most likely to play them. Note he mentioned tranny tier was slim but said this>(Still slim here—newer ones like Rem/Celeste lean supportive/normal, Graves/Silver pull feral/edgy but not quite bottom. These are the most "alternative" rhythm/magic/stealth niche mains who stand out as eccentric.)Did he get it right or is he a retarded nigger
>>560674027I hate both equally, buff haze though my beloved.
>>560674027An excellent point
If I notice you can't get out of the hotel I'm sending you to it on cooldown for the rest of the match until you learn.
>>560673979You are mad because I am right
>>560673708>>560674027>doorman downplayersHis ult is way too strong. Stripping stamina is retarded, being forced to take slowing hex or anvils in with you is retarded, circumventing COUNTER SPELL is retarded. Anyone saying otherwise is a doornigger abuser and should be shot and killed. He can keep EITHER>the stam removalOR>the stun(now affected by counterspell)The CC immunity and reset need to be removed, period
>>560674273>You are mad because I am right(you)
>dash jumping>mantle sliding>flibbity flopping>corner boosting>chungus deluxing>air strafing>butt blastingAm I missing any?
I'm a doornigger but I actually wouldn't mind the hotel cleansing the target. This is not a falseflag.
another game, another time MY victor is crying faggot 3/12 and vindicta is 0/10 but when I face them and they're on some other lane they get 20/0 in first 5 minutes for FUCKS sake you NIGGERS VALVE FIX YOUR MATCHMAKING
>>560674412Thank [You]
>>560674412I am a Mina and Silver main and I look like that
finally a game where every1 does well
>>560674350I think you're just too used to Hotel Guest being a wet fart you could just ignore and are now experiencing growing pains(anally from being gaped).Thank you for the seethe though, it's why I play him after all.
>>560674748Doesn't look like the other team didAre you really happy with that? That's boring
>>560674042based, godspeed king.
>>560674094>Did he get it right or is he a retarded niggerask him that too bro
Victor cannot BOTH be a lategame hypercarry and an unkillable tank, he can be one or the other if this game wants to have any semblance of balance, he has a 55% winrate in eternus btw so it's not just a shitlow problem
>>560674973I'll be back to this post after next weeks patch guts him
I am not sure if I should be looking at the damage stats after the game, but there is seriously something wrong with how I play. I am constantly behind in damage compared to the other peopleJust how aggressive should I be?Early game is quite simple, but anything that comes after that is a complete shit show for meI just can't micromanage lanes, jungle/roof and looking out for fightsAlso I am never picking fight 1v1, is that a mistake?I am too overwhelmed by things going on I can't do anything right
SOMEONE HELP ME KILL ABRAMS
>>560675075UR GODDAMN RIGHT IM HAPPY ABOUT THATevery single match i have lately is i do poorly = we win anyway, i do well = we lose, the matchmaking feels like the most antifun shit ever cause thats how you have antifun in a moba, winning when i feel like i didn't earn it and losing when i feel like i should have wona game where i have a good match and a win is a good one at this point idgaf how well the enemies didmm changes can't come soon enough
>>560674094Holiday required years of source movement tech training, women don't play her
>>560675262>mina abuser complaining about unfair matchmakingYou deserve fuck that character.
>>560675130Okay? This is a very one sided relationship, after this I won't think about you at all.
>>560675262Nah that's boringGlad you're happy though I guess
>>560675530>I won't thinkAverage doorman player
>>560675419I have seem some transwomen play her (because I highly doubt the person named puppygirl Lilith she/her who is jumping around in the air like a monkey is a real woman)
>>560675262Why does he look like Joker here
>>560675130hi, yoshi herewe're giving him back the bonus cart damage he had before the nerf :^)
>>560674973How are you leveling? Three points on bell is basically mandatory, do you put three points on ult too? I've been trying a ton of different leveling orders and i just can't figure out which one i actually like the best
What the hell do you devn do against a fed silver? I bought disarming hex and it did fuck all
when do you buy spiritual overflow over spellslinger? does it just depend on your cd length? (more spam = spellslinger, less spam = spiritual overflow)
>>560675748DRIFTERDRIFTERBROTHER OF THE JOKER
How do I make enemy Graves game absolutely miserable?What should I be buying?I hate that bitch and anyone that plays her
Should you try to swap lanes to enemies you have a good match up against? Or should you try to lane against whoever so that you practice playing at a disadvantage?
>>560675814>metal skin>resist shred>cc and slow>more stamina and movementYou've got tons of options for itemization, but you've also gotta focus her down when she tries to go in so she can't stay inIf she and her team are already ahead and your team won't co-ordinate to actually just hit her, it's probably too far gone
>>560675185Your pathing is wrong if you can't efficiently farm you should always have a plan in mind when you go around the map. 1v1s are mostly just a stat check, if you have more souls than the other guy and he is stepping up you can stomp him. Box routes are also important and you need to know them to make most of the jungle.
>>560675494i have to try my ass off on mina to not feed compared to almost every other char desu, she might be annoying but shes not easy or a free win
>>560675998The only case for buying overflow I can think of is Wraith and maybe Infernoid
>>560675185which characters are you playing?i don't think there's anything wrong with not picking 1v1 but it's very character reliant. i primarily play victor/ivy/seven so i either afk farm or roam around with ult if you play something like calico, mina, drifter etc you really want to look for kills if you have time i recommend watching someone decent playing characters you like, you can learn a lot from it (at least in my experinece)
>>560676080Lane swapping in this game can be a clusterfuck because lanes are mmr-based, so you can end up in a lane that has someone who is much better than you, or abandon your team's designated shitter on a lane you were supposed to be on. I think at least in soloqueue you should only swap lanes if you're on some absolutely unwinnable diabolic matchup like Graves vs Bebop or something
silver is op as fuck nerf this shithuman form is too strong
>>560676261>3 free i frames>free floaty verticality that you can kite nearly the whole roster with>low cd braindead ult that ensures you win every 1v1>oh you are low on health, don't worry bro just rake a t1 and get all your health back then run it down againYour character is braindead easy and spirit meta makes her better than any m1 equivalent.
>>560676523lol she's trash bro
>>560676523I agree! But buff her wolf form in return. Bring back the baseline resists.
>>560675814Literally, UNIRONICALLY, WORKS EVERY TIMEdash jump into her and over her head. you should be able to do it twice and it's much harder to track you doing a 180 than a straight line away. If you know she's about to don the yiff suit, back up towards a wall so the second time you do it you can wall jump and juke her vertically too. After she realizes she wasted her time she'll try to retreat and you can kill her
A fine addition to my collection.
>>560675804I'm addicted to the cartsI live by the cartsI die by the cartsI'll leave lane with bell t2, door, Cart t2, ult then rush cart T3 and usually I follow that with door focus and go around stealing stuff. I dont have any cement comments on whether to go bell or hotel guest max first, though with items like slowing hex and knockdown and you probably building transcend cooldown lategame I feel more inclined to go towards hotel guest.Bell nukes are fine but idk I feel like they're pretty niche compared to what you can pull off with his hotel
>>560675262You should be focusing on your own performance. If you're doing well, it was a good match. I would rather lose a game where i played well than win a game where i did nothing
How are people playing this game? I can't download it via steam
>>560676078me when i eat the little bird bastard
>>560676979I'M DOING IT
>>560676084>>560675814Metal skin and stamina mastery, if you are out of stamina just pop metal skin and walk away until your stamina regens nad then just jump away. Silver can do literally nothing.
>>560676159>Your pathing is wrongyeah, pretty much this, I noticed I don't farm jungle much because I am paranoid of getting jumpedI am only getting boxes and lane creepsAre there any vids on the pathing or that's something that I will learn eventually the more I play?>>560676442The only ones that I am playing is mainly Abrams and sometimes Calico, I don't dare to jump on other characters because I know I will ruin the game for my teamWatching someone play is not doing it for me, I will not be able to replicate their movement anyway
>>560676583>3 free i frames2 for most of the game but true, in exchange for having 2000 max hp>floating vertical thats p good yeah>ult that ensures you win every 1v1????not at all>just rake a t1 and get health backyeah thats great, but again, the tradeoff of having 2k max hpi don't only play mina i play every char but am learning her rn, shes top 5 hardest chars, try being 10k souls ahead on mina vs 10k souls on wraithyou have to paly sooo care to not int your lead and start being a creep, on wraith u spam 1 and m1 to nuke everything effortlesslyits a hard char
>>560676979You record a tiktok and tag valve doing the truffle shuffle and they will dm you a download link
>>560675804>3 points in bell>MandatoryNow that impact is required again (and they removed the explosion on impact) the T3 bell is worse than ever. You should 2 bell, 2 ult, max door, max cart and finally max bell. T3 door is so fucking broken for split pushing or just ensuring you get out of every encounter safely there is zero reason not to max it first. Yes it is better than short CD hotel on failure to exit. Yes it is better than any levels in cart at all. It's completely busted and could be nerfed.
>>560677076Midknight youtube.
Someone should draw Holliday eating her vegetables before fighting Da Troubadour
>>560665629I didn't disagree with you.
>>560677225Thanks
>>560676979Invite via steam
Graves is strong and im tired of pretending shes not, no one has time in a teamfight to chase the fucking tombsdtone to kill it, no one does that, why does it take 2 hits? and by the time u do the 2nd hit a zombie comes out and she blasts u for free
>>560675804Depends on your team but I don't like building Doorman to do damage. Usually no one counter buys so I focus on disables and accept the pos 6 life.
Why i suddenly see Gun Rem's everywhere? Did some retarded streamer do it recently?
>>560677603Just walk away dumb nigga
>>560671403you're supposed to get like kinetic dash mystic burst qsr and you win trades with rake
>>560677143Mina has>Strong early game and is a lane bully ensuring you can snowball and get a lead>30 second ult that silences and is unironically the best pick ability in the game>i frames that invalidate shit like bebop bomb of all things >Stupid lifesteal >m-muh 2k hpDoesn't matter at all when you can kite virtually every character in the game
>it's another episode of "the game is decided by who gets Wraith"
>>560675814>disarmYou should have bought slowing hex instead.
>>560677217I dont think it's very wise to focus door instead of spending 800 on expansion or even a greater expansion upgrade. Along with bonuses from items like knockdown you get more than enough range I feel.Leveling cart late is such a waste since early/mid is the best time to have it since that's before people start getting unstoppable whether it's on their skills or just the item straight up so you're an ult denying machine.Plus early people dont have too many greens so it's a death sentence to anyone you stun in a bad spot during an early brool.
>>560671958tell the devs to remove the stam disable and remove joker cards.
>>560677603you might be actually the dumbest nigger alive if you have problems against Gravesshe is Z tier right now, that's just how trash the hero is
>>560677782>just kitesame logic as >just counter for victor easier said than done, in practice you get raped and punshed for a single misstep, and the ult is unreliable as fuck, does 0 dmg from range, and of course if you don't have a teammate to kill w the silence ur basically a supportshes strong not sayin shes not but about 50% of the cast is better if u wanna win games rn
>>560676084>>560676708>>560677029>>560677879noted
>>560678180Also anti-heal, don't forget about anti-healIf you can get that shit on her before she gets into wolf form she'll just shit her pants and die, because her emergency heal when she wolfs out suddenly becomes an emergency nothing instead
>>560674094I'm gay and I play Ivy.
>>560674549you should more or less say this on the forum too. I've dropped the hammer on more than a few occasions on forums giving examples and shit. they need to hear how hard the AI matchmaking is failing so they can fire the faggot that implemented it to begin with.
>>560678004>Character win rate dips 0.002% below 50%>This hero is Z-tier now
>850 hours in the game>Somehow still archonJust end my shit bro.
>>560678004Wow such Z tier
The true Greena Haaaaaa pill is that you don't need many greens, but you should get colossus.
sex with eskay
>afk farm for 30 minutes>join the brooling because you're now unkillablewho am i
>>560678581/dlg/s finest complaining about graves>b-b-but look at the win rateKys stupid russian nigger
>>560679187Haze
>>560679187The Loathsome Stinktor
>>560679294She's strong not my fault you can't slide while holding m1 and press 2 buttons every tf
>this is the new updatekek'd
>>560677679>Gun RemIts not great, but its better than pillows into a ton of spirit resistance when the matchmaking doles out high amounts of spirit damage characters into their team.Rem is supplementary as a character anyways.
>>560679187Wraith, Seven, Victor, Infernus, and Haze
something feels off about the game today..
>>560679773wait nvm is this just the rating change notification? I had that shit turned off
>>560679428Thanks for proving my point
>>560679773>brother just outed himself as an Oraclet
w-was heroic aura changed? I thought it gave bullet res
Is toxic bullets just ass on paraslut? it's so annoying to proc it.
>>560680196I have a 90 winrate anon
Every Vindicta is using cheats until proven otherwise.
>>560680215it does
I like the golden egg cause it gives me something to do with money in the hour long games.
>>560679824>The other team has 4 of these characters and they won lane
>>560680348Is wiffing all my ult charges not proof enough
>>560680378its a good item, money and items were so disjointed from jungle stats until it got added.
>Get to Ritualist I>Instantly get 5 matches in a row of Eternus smurfs going 20/0 in every fucking lane and dominating the game and dumping me back to Arcanist IV or something.
mina... ha
>>560680215But not to you retard. Read it
>>560680342So?
>>560680348I swear, bro. 5/5 games where someone was on Vindicta, they were cheating. I can always tell by how ridiculous my HP depletes in laning phase.
>>560680503>whiff my charges>enemy team becomes confident and aggressively push past waves>my whiffs were a ruse >:)
>>560680758it does give to you
>>560680348you know a vindicta is cheating when they have top objective damage as well. it's like they can't help themselves but rape so hard they actually get to exist next to a walker.
>>560680869This, but infernus, ivy, and mcginnis who auto toggle first 10 minutes and only desperately turns it back on when losing
>>560680758You must be feeling REALLY stupid right now.
>>560680869Haunt just does a shitton of damage even if you miss half of your shots
>>560681067no one is hopping on ivy to toggle bro get fucking real her bullet growth is 0.08
>>560681067>Pause game>"Hold on I gotta enable my cheats"
Doorman this, silver that. How is anyone okay with this nigger ivy ganking lanes every 40 seconds 5 minutes into every match? And she only gets more annoying as the game goes on, she can chain CC you for like 6 straight seconds by the 15 minute mark. Yoshi ruined this character.
>>560681137>Hauntmeant Flight
The most insulting part of his nerfs was the fact Valve felt comfortable taking 40% of the damage off his gun in one update so he has no fallback axis to scale on.>Needs to shoot you for 10 consecutive seconds for his burst damage>Burst is tied to cooldown instead of fire rate (harder to scale)>Extremely vulnerable to counter items as a result because he doesn't even get a pity partial cashout if you instantly dispel his debuff at 4 stacks>Gun investment on him past Ricochet is basically wasted because his base damage is so lowPlaying Mirage is pure suffering now holy fuck.
>>560681257agreedin order from most to least annoying OP characters rn are:>ivy>calico>doorfaggot>victor>wraith
>>560670319Warden's an awkward situation. His problem is his voice/personality doesn't fit his character model. If you give him a new model people will hate the loss of london bobby tf2 soldier, but I imagine plenty will also complain about the loss of his voice/personality if they change that instead. It almost feels like he should be split into two characters.
>>560681257Yoshi revived the character, now you get to re-experience another era of ivy brother
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>>560681257>>560681519>>560681560*stuns you*haha sucker
>OP as fuck but no one cares because he's so profoundly honestHow does he do it?
>>560681554>Warden's an awkward situation.He is, if you've seen the weird partial attempt they made at remodeling him a while back they wanted to make him look more mystical and edgy.I'm not exactly sure how a militant alchemist vigilante is supposed to look
>>560672349If you avoid getting a cookie cutter build in order to counter a player then aren't you then going to use anymore because you're no longer using the cookie cutter build?
>>560681508>Valve felt comfortable taking 40% of the damage off his gun in one updatewelcome to ivy's life except several times over
>>560675262>every single match i have lately is i do poorly = we win anyway, i do well = we loseYeah I'm stuck in that same pattern too, I just have to assume there's some MMR fuckery because whenever I stomp my lane my team ends up having complete dead weight players that exist just to feed.
>>560681759>use anymorelose anyway* fuck me
>>560681579his vtuber avatar is too small I can still see the game
>>560681579TWO moles?
>>560681257>yeah bro just get superior duration echo shard arctic blast by 15mcongratulations you now have literally no other items>every 40 secondswow that's crazy it's 65 seconds but you have 38.5% CDR 5m in!!
>>560681717a simple kit with no gimmicksalso ultrafast farming speed allows you to get online way faster than other heroes
>>560681717you can counter everything he do
>buy counterspell/dispel magic>enemy team is now playing 5v6just delete bebop from the game, its so sad watching him echo shard bomb and both just get dispelled
>>560675130NTA but I'm gonna screencap this and call you a faggot next week when Doorman doesn't get a hotel nerf and continues to punish you for buying without any forethought, set your watch and wallet on it
>hit enemy with my lash>he stops existing in my team's memory so they don't shoot him at allwhat the fuck?
>>560682253and then he instead attaches bombs to allies
>>560682253They need to make gunbop viable. It was more skillful and was more about landing your hooks and having good tracking
for anyone else that plays victor, how much damage aura deals on an average game? i'm looking at my stats and aura only beats pain battery around the 30+ minute mark and even then it's close to PBi really wonder how they will nerf him
>>560681840You know the funny thing is that Ivy still has more weapon damage than Mirage by nearly 1.5x. That's how bad Mirage's gun was BEFORE they took another 40% off.
>>560671432Stop posting this image>>560671446>complaining that somehow Holliday is too goodAnon, please. Collect yourself. >barrels have the size of half the map and do stupid damagelasso ult is impossible to miss if you're not a retard that keeps trying to fling it at max range like it's a bebop hooklasso ult is basically a free kill if your team isn't retardedAll of this is 180 degree inverted from the truth.
>>560682050By the time you actually get to the other lane and finish ganking, it's literally halfway back to being back up. Don't try being sneaky you triple nigger, I've played this character.>superior duration by 15 minsYeah?>arctic blast on ivyHoly pisslow, god I hate ivyniggers.
>>560682334you can still counterspell the explosion even if its on his allies
>>560682782>from the experts who played ivy oncekek
>>560682379You could say this about most characters.>Doorman pre-buff is about using your doors to pressure opponents with your gun from difficult angles>Doorman post-buff throws bell and aims at bell to hit the whole lane
>>5606758043 on cart, 2 on everything else. 3 on ult is an absolute meme, 3 on doors is a bit moot because of spirit scaling or you're building a meme vortex web a team into the penis explosion chamber build, 3 on bells is cool and gives me demoman flashbacks of blindly killing somebody unintentionally with a sticky you placed 2 control points back, but it's just a nice quality of life rather than a necessity
>>560682768>Stop posting this imageno
>>560682891>implying you need to invest even double digit games into a CC bot to know how to play itAbout what I'd expect from an ivy player
>>560683007There's something wrong with your brain.
>>560682923>3 on doors is a bit moot because of spirit scalingYou only get spirit scaling with 3 on doors
>>560683049I chuckccept your sneedcession lmao>i played this character once, don't try and trick me!!!lmaoooooooo
>>560683074yeah i love gore
>>560682349When is the deadlock merch dropping?
>>560683673Two more weeks
>>560683673Silicon mold Abrams dicks for everyone
My team literally always sucks. It's fucking insane. I got maybe 2-3 matches with competent people.
>>560682440FOR THE DJINNAUUUUGHHHHHHHHHH
>play 3 games>win 3 gamesok I should just log off and end on a high note...UNLESS>play 3 games>lose 3 gamesok I'm not going to suffer any longer, I'm logging off...UNLESS>repeatI fucking hate mobas.
>>560683925Have you tried just not having an addictive personality?
Thanks Valve for always pairing me with the most retarded niggers imaginable.Before someone says "git gud", purely by statistics i should have gotten more wins.
be honest if this game was made by any company other than valve people would take one look at wraith, calico, mcginnis, and paige (fat) and say it was concord slop and no one would play it
>>560682440So what you're saying is Gun Ivy is viable still?
>>560684490yeah but then they would look at mina butthole and say based chungus 100%
When the enemy team plays Mo and Krill they're unkillable. When I play Mo and Krill they tear through my health like paper.
>>560683851>>560684490Me: unga/Team? BUNGA!
>>560684383>team is always retarded>only constant between these teams is (you)based retard
they really need to fix the matchmaking, niggas who are retarded/noobs are always on the same team lmao
>>560684383I genuinely think Ven is the hardest m1 "carry" in the game to win with soloQ due to his large hitbox, lack of escapes, reliance on positioning, and the jankiness of his combo.
>>560598234rem is unironically a low winrate because mouth breathing monkeys just build pure damage on him while stealing their teams sinners
>>560684746Statistically, by pure logic, even 1 consistently shit player shouldn't be able to get so many loses because he would eventually get a carry team if the matchmaking was truly fair.
>play shiv>watch the health bar of the guy who fled tick down to zerofeels just as good as his ult
>>560684803>VenNo, he is piss easy to win with and he is online from the start of the match. He just isn't super overwhelming in a visible way unless there is a severe skill discrepancy.
Street Brawl legendary balance is kinda sillyTwo Frostbite Charms are not comparable to even one Prism Blast
>>560672054>use my counter spell when the Doorman is sprinting up to me>9/10 times he wastes his ultwoah>buy any sort of spirit defense>bells do 20 damagewoaha
>>560685074Also it seems it does full damage against objs so you can do like 9k damage on the enemy walker and there is literally nothing they can do to you
>>560684803Who's the easiest?
>want to watch stream when eating>literally zero soloQ's of a decent rankpic related
>>560685330wraith, just escape and powerfarm
>>560685330Haze. She's strong as fuck in soloQ and you can always R I C E HARD if team is passive. Use the ABL build.
>>560684803Mirage is harder imo but Ven is on the tougher side.
Do we know what the Warden redesign will be?
>>560685330Haze probably has the lowest risk gameplan for matchmaking, you just farm, and only come out when you need to beat someone back down or its time to wrap things up. The ult is even good for this purpose.
>>560685696NEVER SHOW FEARNO MATTER THE ODDS
>>560685635>NadoNot even close lol, his gun feels weird I'll give you that and you don't have an ult with some teams depending on their skill level.
>>560685330Wraith or Haze. Wraith has a get out of jail free card with the teleport, it has INSANE range and basically no cooldown later in the game, especially if you build any cooldown reduction or Witchmail. Her skills do not require any skill to use at all, you just lift someone with the ult and spam all your cards at them while shooting them to death.Haze is just really braindead easy to play since her passive is another generic 'shoot someone to do more damage to them' except it stacks at any range with no falloff.
>>560682768Holliday downplayers are all delusional trannies
>>560683851yeah this is why I stopped playingIts gotten worse since the patchits worse when the lane opponents are actually good and your lane partner is a retard that doesnt help you out or dives in without you
Are all Venator players worthless subhuman filth?I haven't seen one single Venator in my past 50 games who has contributed meaningfully, either on my team or the enemy team.
>>560685696hopefully they inject some skill into his kit.
>>560686265No, but he unfortunately attracts the absolute worst playerbase by being a macho m1.
Why don't jungle camps scale in souls as the game goes on?
>Playing a standard game where no one talks in VC>15 minutes into the game and foid on Rem says something in VC>3 people IMMEDIATELY start talking, making call-outs and making jokes to appease the foid through out the entire gameSo this is the power of foid...
>>560685793The reworks he got recently definitely made him easier but imo his kit is still the most complicated to get max value out of compared to the other M1s. Ven's kit is extremely intuitive, he's just slow as balls and his ult is a skillshot which naturally scales up his difficulty a bit. Meanwhile Mirage badly badly relies on his team compared to other M1 carries. You can't just afk farm and run down the enemy after your build comes online, he needs to stay alive for a long time in prolonged teamfights to maximize damage. Just ask yourself, would you really recommend Venator to a complete beginner before Mirage?
I haven't seen a single other person use this item ever, and the few times i've used it on Lash and M&K my teammates said it's a throw item. What makes it bad?
>>560686532They do, but only a little bit.
>>560686732I'm talking about skilled elo, but yeah Ven is simpler than mirage and easier to pick up. He becomes hard as fuck when the enemy team recognise your name and focus you everygame though.
>>560686782It's fun and you're not supposed to have fun
>>560686782My friend keeps insisting this thing is good for Abrams ult for some reason
>>560686782Only very specific heroes want it, and it just is generally not as good as phantom strike or warp stone since those two are instant.It's pretty funny if there are faggot flying heroes and Celeste on the enemy team though, you can just fly up to them and ult them as Mo
>>560685957>Haze is just really braindead easy to play since her passive is another generic 'shoot someone to do more damage to them' except it stacks at any range with no falloff.I tried playing Haze but I was terrible with her.
>>560686893Oh yeah fair enough, I'd agree with that. I feel safer on Mirage in soloq than when I'm Ven for sure. I wouldn't change him though, it's cool that he's got a low skill floor but is deceptively tricky to use at higher elos.
Flopping tranny deadcock.
I went 8-2 on this yamato build including a game where I got mvp so there's probably something to 2/melee build after all - but I'm sure there's problems with this build I don't understand because I don't know any of the math behind items and power spikes and all that shit, I just kinda build shit and try to hit breakpoints
>>560687154life before celeste and apollo and graves was so beautiful
>>560686117If you have trouble countering Holliday I can't wait til you learn Calico and Wraith exist
>>560684542More viable than gun Mirage that's for certain.
>>560686782It's not a throw item, it's just so fucking niche and there are way better items to pick up. Now return fire is a fucking throw item, if you buy that over metal skin or just res or any other active I'm reporting you.Anyway, heroes it's okay on.>Se7en>MnK>BebopI'd say only time you can't really go it would be eternus but every other shitshow rank it literally doesn't matter unless you know your good and your teammates are bad and you *need* to deadlift the game.
>>560686583simps do be like that
>>560687284Life before Rem was nice. Back then we only had Victor as the 60% winrate menace. Billy being OP looks so quaint now.
>>560687384I see sinclairs buy it all the time so they can fly over to graves, teleport back to their clone to get away, and pop gravestones every 30s
>>560687154>>560687284>>560687530The 6 August heroes have more aura than the February ones
>>560687150the god of shitlow
>>560687612Priest is an honourary Sixer. Quoting the bible while on a killstreak is too much fun for the seethe it causes.
>>560686975Use Magic Carpet while you're hovering in Abrams ult
>Phantom Strike -> Abrams Charge -> Knockdown active -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee -> Heavy Melee
starting to think graves is only good if you're a full item ahead of whoever you're fighting because you sure aren't getting anything done if you're even or god forbid losing
>>560687579Those were the only ones I knew off the top my head but yeah Sinclair is another.
>>560687384Return fire was purely a "You can tell haze genuinely thinks she deserves to ult" itemYou could murder Haze with her own ult with it
>>560687612meaningless reddit word
>>560687918*cancels ult*It must be viable since I see it in some high mmr builds but I think it's genuinely the worst item in the game
>>560688057>redditmore like tiktok or xitter, reddit is a millenial site.
>>560688092>AI slop fagGo away
>>560688092>Haze in an amerikiniNot only based and pure sexo but canon as fuck too. Boner overwrites my hate for ai slop.
Can you guys rate my Graves build? It's mostly based on FaxFox but I changed some things I didn't like about that
>>560688302AI is here to stay, pissboy
Melee should not cancel Magic Carpet
If the game really is going in this direction where you can only win and climb if you are playing the meta slave "free win" raid boss characters then it will quickly die.
>>560687809GARFIELD YOU HAVE A PARRY BUTTON
>>560687658all the games were in oracle 3-4>just because it's higher then 75% of the players doesn't mean it's shitlo because it's not eternuspost your rank or shut up lol
>>560688424graves is a throw pick
>>560688463It's LITERALLY always been like that you newfag.
>>560686782without huge round balls you're not aerodynamic enough to take advantage of it
>>560688658People in this general think Oracle isn't a good rank because of retarded reasons. Basically anything above Archon means you are better than around 50-60% of the playerbase which factually makes you a good player.
>>560688668Well I'm still in phantom so I don't have to worry about that
when are they nerfing wraith holy shit its impossible to win the lane if shes there against you
>>560689010Infernus is worse
>Silver was slightly strong and could solo 3 people if they were panicking during her ult.>Nerf basically instantly within few days after Redditors cried.>Calico, Wraith and Victor dominate every match they are in unless played by absolute fucking retards.>Yoshi: Hm.... i think i'll let them go at it for 2 months, need more feedback....This game is being made by retards.
>>560689208nah mate infernus actually has to aim at you to kill you so its fair play to himwraiths fucking cards are just insane, they seem absolutely impossible to dodge and the damage is fucking nuts
>>560688832This should theoretically be true, and in any other game this would be a case of slightly above-average players being self-deprecating calling their rank shit, but in this case it's because the ranking system is actually broken. People have placed in oracle with negative win-losses on brand new accounts.
>>560688832archon isn't the top of the bell curve is it? seems wrong
>>560688302>>560688370>tfw never noticedThe fingers are a dead giveaway too, I'm sorry.
What do I build on Abrams
>>560689389>Mo and Krill vs Infernus
>>560688832Bro it really isn't due to the new players swarming it, game skill varies so much. I'm breezing through it, at the current rate I'll be eternus by next batch unless Yosh unfucks ranks.t. LITERAL FORMER SEEKER
>>560689997maybe mo should cool it with the hamburgers...
>>560688832Archon is the new average skill rank desu, we really need another rank reset.
>if I ban Victor, I get Calico>if I ban Calico, I get Victor,>sometimes, no matter who I ban, I get bothIt's getting really tiresome. These cunts don't even pick Wraith because they'd need to aim and that's too much work apparently
>Wraith can just shoot creeps to build her cards and spam them to nuke you down>Infernus has to shoot you directly to explode you, but it only takes about one or two seconds to build up>Mirage has to shoot you for 10 consecutive seconds or he deals no damage>Valve thought Mirage was the strongest one here
>>560690435Oracle feels like "I know how to aim!" or "I abuse six stacks!" the rank, so many macrolet aimfags here and mechanically challenged players that have no idea how to play soloQ games.
okay then
I can macro but can't aim
>>560689296Yea I'm thinking Yoshi needs to issue a strong apology to Silver and her community. Peak Silver was nothing compared to current Calico and Victor.
>>560690743Graves who sidelaned or cracked Haze?
>>560682440Wow! Silver op.
>>560690570Before the giant player influx, there was simply a rank barrier somewhere in there where everyone knows how to play on a basic level but you could only climb when you were more accurate at dealing damage.Its probably somewhere in eternus now.
>>560690819Won a game with a female MnK who could macro but had some godawful mechanics. Carried by a stack I asume but atleast she knew what to do.
Does Venator go to Novus Ordo, TLM, or Eastern rites?
If you got into the game with the second hero batch you have no right to talk about ranks.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PLAY AND BUILD MIRAGE THIS PATCH.Also should you hold off on shooting fast and just shoot to build marks and not waste ammo?
>>560691125I think eternus is unironicly where old ranked is concentrated and every other rank is just what old seeker use to be.
>>560691208novus ordo doesn't exist yet and he is irish so traditional rites
>>560681735>I'm not exactly sure how a militant alchemist vigilante is supposed to look
>>560688609is that a new kind of lasagna, John?
>>560690881calico who just did a lot of stuff I guess
>>560687809I miss when I could do that as abrams.
>>560691631Oh yeah boxxx maxxxing is really strong on her inbetween perma ganking.
just masturbated to mina ha
>>560686782All stats this item gives can be gotten elsewhere for cheaper, and the only actual use of it is mogged by your everygame autobuy stamina mastery and schmoovement. Also anvil.
>>560691828I want to but I still want to queue and a good wank makes me sleepy.
>>560690570Oracle is the home of Eternus and Ascendant runoff, faggots who can't hang at their rank and just want to punch down.It's like 2 per game on average.>Lets check the steam profile of this really good player, wanna see their hours!>5+ games owned badge>90 hours in deadlock>Level 0Hmm.. geee... they must be really gifted!
>>560691383you hope the rest of your team carries while you solo farm and build your 40k soul spirit nuke
>>560691383I played with a good mirage a while ago I'll find his build since all the public ones are shit.
>base is naked>tell graves to shove green before she comes to enemy base>she doesn't>lose to creepsreportable. griefing.
>>560691383>>560692470535399 Try this or the Osses7/Elysium one.
>>560691383>HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PLAY AND BUILD MIRAGE THIS PATCH.You don't. He now has no fallback damage outside Djinn's Mark which means he gets ultramogged by Dispel Magic.
>>560691391Your right because all my friends who were archon jumped to ascendant/eternus with the influx. I was seeker before suddenly sky rocketing to archon after the new player wave hit.
>>560693097yeah sounds about right. Hopefully it gets reverted.It won't #RAPEYOSHI
Is Mirage supposed to try and tickle people from across the map and hope they hang around long enough to get five stacks?
>>560693396R I C E HARD until items, maybe win lane if the enemy is incompetent.
>eternus 6: pisshigh>eternus 1-5: pisslow>everything else: russian
>>560693582trvke nvke..... nwo yuo svv....
>>560691524Warden is a random dude, not a member of magical not-SS that exists solely as a part of long ass 4d chess planuniforms have to have meaning
Celeste is unironically underpowered right now
tried the main mode and it's much worse than marvel rivals>can't surrender if theres a feeder so locked in for 50+ minutes (i just afk now so at least the enemies can end faster)>shitton of cc, can't even tell whats going on>if enemy carry gets fed early game its impossible to winbrawl mode is decent though
>>560694035>>can't surrender>oh no, this game doesn't give me a free dildo and shove it up my ass!!!? BAAAAAAAAAAD
>>560694028This. Graves and Celeste literally need buffs.
>>560694035this is anti brawl propaganda
Analysis of the probability of Austro-Hungary still existing in Deadlock>WW2 happened in some capacity as evidenced by the play South Pacific and formation of the CIA out of need for intelligence organization in the USA>Soviet Empire is either formed from Soviet Union or Russian Tsardom, led by resurrected Catherine, Rasputin still around. >Deadlock uses ChatGPT procured Hungarian algorithm, not Austro-Hungarian algorithm>Astral Planes opening before 1900 meant shakeup of early 20th century was probably entirely changed in nature >resurrection, divination, necromancy, and communicating with the dead mean Ferdinand would still be aroundThus I believe it more likely than not that Austro-Hungary is still a thing in Deadlock
arcanist shitter hereIf you have dynamo, rem, or ivy on your team its almost a guaranteed lossthe only good support is paige
anyone got the meta build for each heroi need da build numbers i need to just auto queue items and auto buy them when i happen to walk next to a shop because i am borderline illiterate and sub 80 iq
>>560694213>the only good support is paigenot in this patch, she's C tier at best, needs buffs asap
>>560694205why there 2 austrias
>>560693396Yes but they also can't be too far away or he won't build stacks xddddAlso hope they didn't get Spellbreaker or Dispel Magic or have enough awareness to go for cover after getting shot for 6 consecutive seconds.
ivy players that do the jungle and push lanes while leveling tether first deserve to be publicly hanged and humiliated like the retarded peasants they are
>>560694028bro your schmovement?
>>560694178Graves got knee jerked nerf real hard for no real reason other than "it was annoying to play against" and I'm not even a graves player but I feel bad for you guys.
i want Paige to support me with her pouty lips
>>560694028A lot of times the ball does no fucking damage
>>560694028Celeste will forever be shit because she's balanced on you being good at movement. Every Celest at low ranks is a free win because they are on the ground 90% of the time instead of air strafing.
Is there a way to have different crosshairs for each character? Not talking about the themed ones, just want separate crosshairs for the characters I play.
>>560694821No, post on the forums and I'll bump it.
i want Paige's pouty lips as a crosshair
>camp side lane>teammate complains about me camping side lane>keep doing it>winMy average Graves game
i cant play victor anymore its making me too horny and unable to pay any attention
how has there still not been a patch to nerf viscous? I wish I could get paid to sit on my ass and do nothing like valve employees do
>>560695429i am a viscous enjoyer and even i think his puddle punch can get hilariously too large
>>560694992 (cont)It's funny checking reddit and seeing people call her a bad splitpusherYou can throw your skulls down to splitpush for you without even being in danger, it's so easy
what aspects of the game can you heavily abuse vs low ranks... im new and i want to bully my fellow noobs and im willing to practice whatever
>>560695818farming effectivelybasic movementthe parry button
>>560694925I'm counting on you anon.
is Fortitude a trap item?
>>560696297Yeah
>>560695818Play characters that scale late game, usually a gun carry like Haze or Infernus. Even if you lose lane, if the game is 30 minutes + you can recover and become the carry again.That being said, you really should play a variety of characters as a fresh install to learn these matchups, what *not* to do before you try to steamroll.
MANDATORY PURCHASES>MirageMagic carpet>SevenElectric bullets>Mina, DrifterVampiric burst
i eat rems for breakfast
>>560696297Depends on the character. If you're playing a backline or roamer it's really good
>>560696475>sevenlightning scroll>wardenalchemical fire
The best part of Street Brawl is fighting the same 4 heroes every single game, then getting sick of it and playing a real match to fight the same 6 heroes.
>>560696573>backlineEither M1gging, spirit nooker or support = there is ALWAYS something more worth building>roamerNot a role. Everyone is a roamer if you know rotations and movement
>>560696719yeah
>>560696719Why is Vyper there instead of Ivy?
>>560694490yeah bro an auto aim character should be as good as m1 characters who need to aim when she builds gun that's healthy for the game bro :)
>>560696826Ivy was too busy sucking cocks to join the ritual
>>560696795why is ivy so plappable?
i found i can sprint and slide w/ fleetfoot + sprint boots fast enough for infinite ammo on silver... is this practical/worthwhile?>>560695945>>560696387thanksand yea i have seven as my 2nd highest priority pick because he seems retard proof
>>560696719>black paigeexcellent taste
>>560661934voiced by debra wilson ™
Anyone want to queue together?
>>560697015sorry cant queue with pisslow :(
>>560696475>paigebad dragon dildo
>>560697130I'm in the process of ranking back up but okay.
DELETE PUDDLE PUNCH OH MY GODTHIS IS THE MOST UNFAIR FUCKING ABILITYTHERE IS ZERO RISK OR DOWNSIDES IT'S THE FREEST FUCKING ABILITY
>>560696475>vyler>toxic bullets>abrams>crushing fists>infernus>the item that lets you throw a pool of fire>dynamo>vortex grenade
>>560697243devman are sneednoidiggerchuddyboyocels
>>560686782Bebop benefits a lot from it, can position into hooks, ulting or escape,
Really dislike Vindicta's new design, both to play as and against.
magic carpet paradox... think about it
>>560696856they nerfed every part of her kit besides gun so the only viable way to play her now is building gun
>>560697256>vylerWhich hero is this
>>560696876>sprint bootsnot really because you'll lose your sprint speed as soon as you attack an enemy hero, doing the same with generic MS boosts is very useful on any M1 hero thought
>>560691828what's so funny
here's your sidelane, bro!
>>560686782
i think a reasonable buff to graves would be to not have her ult gravestone show on the minimap honestly
>>560697383>Lackluster but otherwise decent hero for dedicated aimgod M1ggers>Change her ult for no reason>Everyone says it's a bad idea and will make her weaker>No revert>It's a bad idea and she gets weaker>Dedicated M1ggee players evacuate to Venator>"Wtf why isn't anyone playing Vindicta anymore">Give her a bunch of random retard changes>Gives the long range marksman hero a shotgun abilityYoshi needs to be strapped to a cross and then have his four limbs struck with iron rods
>>560686782just another casualty of wall-jumping movementrannies
>>560697015>back when I played dota2 I joined a stack of d2g members>weakest mental group ive ever played with>the second anything went wrong they started screaming and raging >were also turbobadNever again.
>>560697618magic carpet stocks rising
Mirages that buy Magic Carpet should receive +50% Weapon Damage
>>560697618you don't even need that you can just look up and place it on weird geometry that's impossible/hard to reach since the range is pretty high
Any other Drifter mains that stopped maining him after this patch? I seriously can't get over how fucking abysmal his early game is.
>Do well as Bebop (Got lucky on lane)>5 man stack start following me around like puppies as if I'm supposed to initiate shit and give out callsI'm not used to this feel
Just won the final fight of a long game by diving the backline as Sinclair and keeping the full build Mcniggis cced for like 10 seconds with bunny and Cursed RelicI feel good about this
>>560697904Unironically he could get +100% weapon dmg from it and he would still struggle with dealing damage because his base is so low.
>>560697904It'd be funny if he had a discount on it or something
>team has lower souls so we get the comeback urn>enemy makes it their life mission to keep the urn in their base>comeback because every fight was a 6v5 since there was one enemy in the base at all timesDamn I finally got the 50% agent in the other team
>>560697679Vin wasn't really an m1 character, they just made her that way by giving a bizarre emphasis on her gun damage for some reason.With no oranges she already deals heavy damage, with oranges she deal so much fucking damage that you can't exist in her LOS beyond the 5 seconds of metal skin. on the other hand holding m1 at people miles away is boring af, while actually sniping people with her ult isn't even important anymore.I don't know what kind of fantasy they are going for with this character sincerely.
>>560696297no it's amazing if you actually move around the map with it.
>>560697256>>abrams>>crushing fists
>>560698210>Seven gets cheaper capacitor>Kelvin gets cheaper arctic blast>Infernus gets cheaper spirit burn
Ok, how do you even deal with a team that has Lash, Seven and Apollo? we killed their entire team 3 times after Lash ulted lmao
took em out
>>560697243rebuttal
>>560696297>Item that permanently removes your need to ever go back to baseIt is quickly becoming a staple in most of my builds
>>560698391Do literally anything to not get lash ulted (unstoppable, counterspell, warp stone out of his LOS, don't fight in open areas when lash has ult up)Unfortunately most people are utterly incapable of doing this
>>560698391spellbreaker
>>560698525yeah that works really great in training mode when you're staring at a viscous botin a teamfight, not so much
>>560698476>Here's that soulful character interactions I was telling you about
>>560698629you get a ton of free healing with almost no CD in a teamfight actually, but I bet you've never bought it before
>ivy player bitching about CCGargoylefags deserve nothing
nice job
>>560698629>in a teamfight, not so muchyeah in a teamfight you just hope you aren't the guy who is gonna get juggled by the 10 punches while trying to fight the other guys.I think the only realistic counterplay is to just position yourself higher than viscous or on weird terrain so the targeting gets janky/annoying for him.
>>560697696you guys are too anti social
>>560698942I will once again assert you have never bought a rebuttal to deal with viscous before. it neuters him enough where I don't bother playing punch viscous at higher elos. just buy the counter item
>>560691383He is so easy to play when you fully understand mark. He has 16 ammo right? Just 1 shot = mark 1. Hell thats 1 ammo. Just waiting 2 seconds you shoot again. Thats 2 fucking marks already with 2 ammo. Rinse repeat and weave that into other targets then suddendly youre fucking shadow demon from dota on crack
I've been climbing a lot on melee venator this patch, surprised not many people are complaining about him. I guess there are a few other characters that are slightly more egregious and they get all the heat instead. Hope they don't nerf him even though it'd be deserved, it's been a lot of fun.
>Rem/Calico/Victor/Apollo all on the enemy teamfine I won't have fun this match
Orthodox Christian hero when
Literally every single game of street brawl for the last three days has had a shiv in it, and they deal 5 billion damage with knives and dash and are completely invincible by round 3. It doesn't matter how much valve nerfs him, this fucking character will always be broken
>>560699030retard
>>560699669Youre dead!
The irony.
>>560699664When we get our first turkish hero
>>560699669Shivbros... we eatin good!
>>560662848I look like this. I also don't buy counterspell, knockdown, unstoppable, or silencing wave.
I'LL CARVE EM UP
>>560697130Like it or not you WILL have Oracle teammates in your Ascendant lobby.
Started playing Rem for the first time and it's so much more relaxing than playing characters. When we lose it's literally not even my fault.
lady geist in brawl is completely fucking broken, literal braindead character
Is Shiv kinda weak in lane or is this a skill issue on my part?
>>560699812My fedora nearly fell off from how hard I laughed, put a warning next time, xir.
>>560700009>ShivHe is about average-high on lane oppressiveness, so yeah its probably a skill issue.
more relaxing than playing carries*
>>560700074>average-highWhere's the list?
I.... am the reaper's handmaiden
>>560700152>handmaidenyet we all know she is not technically a maiden....
>eating leafy green (items)YUCK!>eating darcy grave's assholeYUM!
>>560700113In my head, I just find myself able to oppress a bit more than maybe 60% of the characters easily on shiv in the laning phase.But I guess it depends on your item decisions too.
>>560699030you are retarded and your hero will get nerfed and you will go back to working at mcdonalds
>>560700242I build for BLEED and poke in lane, not too aggressive
When I'm in the middle of a fight I like to stop all my momentum just to deal with a viscous punch while bullets penetrate my sternum
Isn't dash Shiv still better than knife Shiv? Dash Shiv has all the AOE lifesteal while knife is really only single-target and has an ult-like cooldown waiting for all the knives to recharge, plus countered by Dispel
>guy keeps using heavy melee to last hit creeps>parry and kill him>this keeps happening>he's 0/6 by the time the laning phase is over>kill him one more time solo>he dcsSmartest Callico abuser
>>560700571hahahano
>>560700436you try rushing coldfront yet?Also you try out mystic shot/close quarters/resto shot?Bleed is fun but you only get the giant mileage if you nab EE early enough that it catches people in a weird spot on their items.
>>560696856Aimslopping isn't even a novel skill, and the lack of participating in the aimslop ritual is far less of a bonus that you imagine it to be.
>>560700475>mfw melee resist is one of the cheapest inmates you can buy>mfw rebuttal is 800 souls>mfw no one understands target priority after gigafeedingand i can play viscous safely knowing no one will counter buy
We used to do a lot of inhouses back in the day. Also when did people start shitting on yoshi instead of icefrog
>>560700740>Also you try out mystic shot/close quarters/resto shotive been running a build with no oranges and delaying coldfront a while so I can get torment pulse/decay. Should I be getting coldfront early generally?
>>560700587Calico and Wraith players may actually be lower IQ than Haze mains.
Ngl Mystic Shot on Doorman feels way nicer than Opening Shots
>get victor on my team three times>three different players>all of them go some worthless gun buildHuh, guess that's why he's not 75% winrate
>>560700873>Should I be getting coldfront early generallyTry it, characters with dash hit abilities get a lot of mileage out of early cold front since the health amounts are still shit when it comes into play.Both Calico and Shiv normally abuse it down to it being the 2nd item.
>>560698369He hits people real hard
>4 people misplay and lose a 50 minute game because of itlong game>dude that sounds like he's 40 starts throwing tantrum and acting like child while flaming the entire teamSome people just aren't built for holding L's man.
all the pros and masters if they ever delete carries from the game
>>560689843did you look at the beer can because that shit is actually heinous
>>560701093will try thanks
Deaths in laning phase do not matter but losing the lane early is a big deal...
>>560701261you can't delete carries because it's a food chainthe new carries would just be whatever semi-carries we have now
>>560701417>oh no my first walker that has 0 health and resistances is going to be destroyed!!!>what will I do when enemy team gets one more slot at 10 minutes????!
>>560677435sex
>>560701608it gives 4k souls and you lose a ton of safe space retard
>>560701417separating the two is just a cope from people trying to convince themselves that they are in control, or from youtubers trying to sell you their guides. It's a resource management game and growth is exponential, so of course advantages give you advantages while disadvantages give you disadvantages. The consequences don't have to be permanent since there are (some) comeback mechanics but the entire point of the entire genre is having more resources than the enemy, so yeah.
>>560694432One is Hungary and the other is full.
Why did Deadlock flop?
>>560701591I'm just tired of carries and the awful balancing in general.I was watching this video in the hopes of getting better but 2/3 of it is just "pick le carry lol oh and also try to push I guess but anyways I'll keep talking about carries".It's all just so cynical and soulless.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxKzmvJy_VY
>>560694205Ok but why does the map look AI generated
does anyone know how to fix no valid captcha on desktop? is it OSIC related shit or what
>>560701980Not enough pornography.
>>560701980ugly cyberpunk aesthetic
>>56070198490% of videos like this are just clickbait for retards who think there is a get rich quick scheme to climb up.
>>560701984>HERE'S HOW TO CLIMB OUT OF DEADLOCK ELO HELL>uses abrams for his thumbnailThe character with a 48% winrate?
Why is this game even called Deadlock?The names has literally nothing to do with the setting or gameplay. It should be called something like "Defense of the League of the Heroes of the Patrons"
>>560701984Pick a support, buy counter items, turn the enemy carry off, hope your carry can press 4.Just be happy playing the game :)
Is Radiant Regen a meme on Shiv?
>>560702427>The names has literally nothing to do with the setting or gameplay.>Patrons are in a deadlock on who descends onto earth and are attracting people to fight for them via wishes.
Buff Venator's base MS
doorman players are SCUM
>>560702694I always bm them when I win
>>560702694For your impudence I curse you to 4 vacations to the hotel.
How are you suppose to push against full time lane janny like Paige who paint floor green ahead of minion path
>>560702694>doormani'm pretty sure celeste is actually enabling people to deliberately torture players with poor mechanical skills right now
>>560702758Lany janny as well until she gives up or has to go help in a teamfight.
>>560702758Rape her
>>560702427>icefrog back in 2019 enters a pub with his homies for some dota after a day of cidital>it becomes a 60min slog fest>one of his buddies shouts "bro were just in a DEADLOCK">icefrogs eyes go wide open and replies to his buddy "youre a fucking genius"
>+1 stamina in wolf>slightly scaling resistances in wolf>default move speed in wolf +2, t2 upgrade gives +2 instead of +4.There you go, no Silver is a balanced B tier character.
>>560702694Ah, checking in I see.
>>560701608basically what >>560701707 saideven losing a guardian is a big deal
>>560702694this but viscucks
>>560702837>janny as paige.. alone>enemy drifter always shows up and dives guardians/walkerAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE
>>560703075>self-armor>place 3 where standing>jump around like a tard and spam ping wheel/scream on mic
>OH GOD NOT AGAIN
>2 key players die>It is 4 v 6>tell them not to fight>team decides to fight>2 players on our team die>2 key players re spawn (me being one of them) after enemy takes our shrines>proceed to rape the enemy team>we winWhy exactly do people alwayyyyys fight at a disadvantage? I don't understand it at all. Just let them have shrines, its not the end of the fucking world.
Is there like a DPS build for Mo & Krill?
A lot of characters seem to get fucked as soon as you drop knockout on them, yet. No one want to buy knockout
watched a haze kinda teleport away mid ult, what the fuck was that? she just zoomed by after being in place for a second
Is glass cannon a trap? I buy it a lot on pick heroes like Haze and Drifter and it serves me really well, at least up through Archon.
>>560703461I buy it on gay talon
>>560701980flopping tranny deadcock...
>>560703439Torment PulseAlchemy fireSpiritmaxxingTake it or leave it
>>560703461I buy it on Doorman because it's not like I'm gonna die
>>560703271LMAOOOOO
>>560703461>Is glass cannon a trap?No, if you are already mowing down people and have no problems that really threaten you.Might as well kill them even faster.
graves fucking sucks, I'm never picking this wack hero again
does this game have the worst matchmaking of any game in existence? my grey talon didn't even try to kill lane creeps at all, he was literally worse than an AI bot
if Sinclair's ult works like Rubick that can also steal normal skills, which normal skill would be good to steal? Sand Blast?
>>560703806>average victor player iq
>>560703806so you stood still in base?
>>560703461In lobbies with triple digit IQs glass cannon will never work on hazeShe gets deleted by competent playersThe item is good but not recommended on ultra squishy characters unless your whole team is already snowballing I guess
>>560703806Josh of the Jungle type of guy
>>560703461If they're kicking your ass don't get it, if you're 20/4 get it
Silver's musky rainforest...
>trying to listen out for heartbeats as Drifter>"DRIFTER, YOUR HAND IS FELT ACROSS-"SHUT THE FUCK UP CUNTAlso:>use my ult and catch only one person, figure it's a safe gank>two fucking people collapse on him literal seconds after I initiateWhat, did the ult just not feel like finding those cunts? Christ.
Thought on echo shard McGinnis wall
Bring back echo shart cast time
Hnnnggg... Victor... you're so fat from all the souls you've eaten... hnnnnggg I would love to rub your belly...
>>560704327I play Victor and I look like this
>>560704327Paige…
>>560703075my favorite thing to do as drifter desu
>>560704327Lash...
>>560704152I do it. Used to put it on the turrets but max wall gives you two. Just make sure to delete the first one
>>560704327feeder paige…
>>560704327Abrams...
>>560703075i would never let my Paige lane alone...
I like playing vyper but she's just not enough, you sneak a cheeky kill here and there in lane sliding and dropping venom but you're just delaying getting inevitably outclassed by any other m1ggaa poison grenade and not a dagger to help clear creeps without a bazillion investment would be welcome
>makes you seethe
>>560704671Every character that didnt get a big update last patch is a throw pick rn
>>560703461ENTER >>560687809
That vampire brat should know her place
The day I learn heavy melee damage is not that higher than light melee is the day I become better person
>>560704761Thats literally just vyper.
I have over 200 games as Doorman and i feel like i was good at him at some point, i've been in the top 10 Doorman leaderboard for my region but the more i play the more shit i feel i'm becoming. I keep not knowing what the fuck to do with the chracter, am i supposed to bellmax and spam damage? Am i supposed to run around attempting kidnapping? Am i supposed to splipush all game? Nothing feels like enough, i don't feel like i'm actually having a meaningful impact on my games
>>560702914>slightly scaling resistances in ultThis but for viscous
>>560705031:)
They could revert all nerfs to Silver and she'd still be mid tier at best.
>>560705063I max bell these days, the zoning and damage on lane is just too hard to pass on
>>560705167Troons wont be happy until Silver is back to day 1 form + some buffs
>>560705167fuuuck bait me harder anon
>>560705278>>560705290Keep seething, troons.
What are the spawn rules for camps and boxes?
>doing sinners (paradox)>teammate opens VC to tell me that "my character shouldn't pick sinners"huh?
>>560705586Who was he playing?
what is this random orange dragon in a circle that sometimes appears over my hero?
>>560705630Venator
>>560705681fortitude, its a snake
Who should I be building the 3 melee items on?
>>560705740calico
Parrying a puddle punch should stun Viscous like a regular melee would.
CHECK CHANGELOG WTF YOSHI
>>560704806silver the brat tamer
>>560705962who is pregnant
>max bomb>max cat>dash in>knockout>bomb>wonwowzer...
>got mvp on hollidayFeels good bros
>>560705740da driftah
>padding my shiv winrate with street broolhehehe
>>560705068>It's funny because I'm invici- AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEThey've got to revert the resistances man.
>>560704671I feel like armor piercing rounds + ult is actually insane lategameLike its an instant cast hard cc ability and you can easily kill someone during it's duration with a high dps buildThey can't even build bullet res to counter it
Remove
is there any T4 actually worth buying
>>560705167Silver should be removed from the game and replaced with slork.
>>560705740Billy
>>560706459Phantom Strike against vindicta, because it is the only way to interact with her
>buy rescue beam>save teammate from being raped>he goes back in the fight with 10% hpfuck this shit
This game reminds me of bloons tower defense. After 10 minutes the screen jbecomes a mess of special effects filling the screen
every time you kill hideout abrams 1 year of your life gets taken from you
>>560704806>>560705976Local brat not so tough after being bitten by a werewolf
>>560706536>have to buy expensive shit to even have a chance with a girl what did Yoshi mean by this?
I think a good number of heroes are held hostage by their retarded "lead designers" and if those people don't go they'll be shit long enough for people to get attached to their shit identity ie Chen and not want it changed. There's such a vast difference between how logical some heroes are put together versus these weirdass outliers
>>560703921yeah I afk if there is more than a single feeder on my team
>>560707075BASED BASED BASED
Characters who play themselves should be nerfed into the ground
just had a sidelane feed a venator 10 kills in lane and then one of them got on the mic in the nerdiest voice ever and flamed us for not helping him
>>560707028Now say this in non schizo speak with as few buzz words as possible.
>>560706926>no character who is literally me who's patron wish is to have a chance with a girl
>>560704050Just one whiff would send anyone into a frenzy
>>560706547clearly he should be the healslut and you should be the carry
When do you buy and how long do you keep rebuttal?
>>560706714me everytime i see a mina in game
inhouseH1RW1H1RW1H1RW1
>>560707306"I like some hero designs but I don't like the others and the devs are therefore retarded"
They've really lost the plot with balancing and, somehow, matchmaking simultaneously.The amount of "stimulus" thrown out has made ASC into the new emissary. Crazy how they've made the game *less* fun versus 2024 - even at peak Shiv hitler. I'm just not having any fun anymore. The changes they make are non-sensical - they pull a massive reworking patch for 90% of the characters in the game and end up making Wraith/Calico/Victor/etc into Mussolini - meanwhile Mirage drops to a *sub-40%* wr.Baffling. I don't think the devs can figure out how to actually balance a "3D moba" with this many moving parts long-term.
>>560706536Why don't knock her down
>>560703461Just seems like a win harder/throw hard item. I never go it because I can't guarantee teammates will be useful and it's not worth the risk. Maybe good buy on soloQ paradox gun carry since she has high base HP.
>>560707028>me no rike hero>BAD DESIGGERS FIRE INSTANTLY>JUST RIKE DOTA FIRE FRIRE FIRE
>>560707671She can buy counterspell and parry it now
>>560707709>>560707709>>560707709
>>560707740>>560707856How embarassing
>>560705740Mina.>>560707740I thought this was a match but it's just the gay numbers meme isn't it?
>>560707306I don tok tat a big numba heroes be not free but e be some pipo keep e na dey go long too far na be bad chen not want changed. E some hero be logical but some be very bad strangers
>>560707425playing sup made my 67 (no pun intended) winrate turn into 50, so you're right
>>560707890>>560707894
