>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/post-226950>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>561096112
Is Mirage good yet?I'm guessing no
>>561126446geist bomb sucks and paradox bomb is nigger tier
Sex with Venator
ayo chat, the 1234eigners getting nerfed situation is insane! W M1ggers in the chat
NERF HAZE ULT BOTS
people have been whining about bullet dance since 2024
>>561125698>>561126475saving and using this build to gigatilt retards like you in the future
They have Metal Skin!
>>561126637>>561126652maybe haze is just not a well designed hero?idkyou can be shitting on her all game and the moment this retarded bitch gets unstoppable you lose the game
We’ve looped back to complaining about Haze now? Really? Is it 2024?
>>561126743devs have already proven they don't care about the ""pro"" scene with the silver changes and haze is a nigger hero in every rank except """pro"""
>>561126695the only shit part of haze is that her debuff applies even if she's in max weapon falloff range, and that's only an issue for like 3 minutes at the start of the match rarely
>>561126743Can't wait for the rerun of Sky Talon whining
don't let the shitters know that metal skin lasts as long as unstop
>>561125379I remember the CoD general crying that it was impossible to get over a 1KD and win/loss, saying they had perfected the algorithm, while I had like 2+ in both. Marvel Rivals is also funny when people cry how rigged it is because oh, wow, you mean the game that does everything it can to boost players up, giving more points for wins than losses and shields to prevent losses that also regularly shoves people back to smurf on low ranks and has no placement matches has really volatile matchmaking? Oh, and this game also has a role system where each role is essential, with different skill sets required, and you might need to swap characters multiple times in a match but there's no queue for it so people can be forced to play shit they have no experience with in order to create a viable team comp and one tricks can completely fuck their team if they get countered? Man, there truly is no other explanation than it being rigged when you get bad matches in a game like that. It can't possibly just be that the matchmaking is genuinely dogshit and they make no attempts to hide the many faults with it.
Sex with Abrams
Seven and Haze the two heroes that exposes L > R buyers for not buying counter items and just following their public build order been like that since the game came out btw
>>561126891nice try unfortunately>mercurial magnum>tesla bullets
>>561126743This general is always ready to seethe about M1 characters.
>>561126892Anon, it was already proven Eomm exists with patents and whatnot. There is no need to deny it anymore.
>>561126967I accept your concession.
This game is literally just matchmaking rng unless youre willing to play a m1gger and farm in losing games. Every game is just some utter retard doing their best to ruin the game whether it's feeding or building the dumbest shit imaginable. I had a seven not build improved spirit and went bullet lifesteal cultist sacrifice and mystic slow. How fucking bad can you be
>>561126942I've seen many buy toxic bullets too, all the procs do a shitload of damage since she buy spirit anyway.>>561127019Nta, forgot to add that part. But you go on ahead.
>>561126942spirit resilience is 1/3 the cost of those
>>561127056>This game is literally just matchmaking rngTo reiterate, every game with matchmaking is matchmaking rng. It's simply impossible for it to be otherwise and you have to understand it, accept it, and deal with it.
>NOOO DONT TRY NEW STATS JUST FOLLOW #1 HERO BUILD CARRY 59% WINRATE BUILD STOP EXPERIMENTING!will you shut up already
>>561127056>I had a seven not build improved spiritwhat's the point when mystic slow also gives the 1.6k investment?
>>561126967You're right. None of that other stuff matters. The MM would be perfect if they just got rid of the boogeyman algorithm. Don't use your brain for two seconds and think about the many blatant flaws right in front of you that they're not even trying to hide. Don't complain about them and potentially get things improved at all because they made a patent so it doesn't matter.
>>561127146Flat damage? We were stomping lane then he decides to go 0 damage and then the enemies built damage then we lost lane cause he had literally all his money spent on worthless garbage instead of items that secured the enemies I brought down from 100% to 10%. I would have won the lane 1v2 if he wanst sucking up the money and feeding and making me think I had a human being in my lane
>>561127160
>there are ""people"" unironically whining about graves summoning ""infinite"" zombies "now">they unironically whine about the root>they also whine about the skulls and want her gun to be nerfed again despite being the worst gun in the gameI know i shouldn't expect more from normies but i hope that none of these retards feedback goes to ice frog, they want to nerf all of the already bad parts about her kit more and then nerf everything else on top of that even though she was literally one of the worst characters in the game, people literally treat her like she's hitler even though she has non of the bullshit of other kits like wraith&seven's absurd late mid and early game damage, or insane sustain like abrams or M&K, and she's not lane hitler like apollo with an early execute and 20 dashes early game with fat hitboxes, she doesn't even have i-frames or range or even stamina literally her entire kit from her gun to her skulls to her zombies is counterd by dashing back. It's hopefully just a loud minority, some people I've seen actually liked the buffs
>>561126695Haze's biggest issue is her being just boring. Her tooltip and lore suggest a stealthy assassin with a nightmare theme and then in game she's an M1 bot with an OW ripoff ult. She deserves a full blown rework.
>>561126942>my humble return fire
12 LOSSES in row today nice!!
>>561126695>you can be shitting on her all game and the moment this retarded bitch gets unstoppable you lose the gameTHISHOW DO YOU ONLY DO 4K GUN DAMAGE IN A 50 MINUTE MATCH BUT DO 93K PLAYER DAMAGE JUST WITH ULTBUILD FOR
>>561126695Not really the range isn't too big, she can't kill your entire team in one go and metal skin rapes her>inb4 my team is badwelcome to mobas>>561127460I mean, mid game she usually goes to the enemy jungle, while being invisible, sleeps someone and then rapes them before hiding any evidence and fucking off so that's kindof stealthy
Sex with Silver
>>561127509>>my humble placebo
>tfw it took me this long to realize that drifter is literally bloodseeker + night stalkerbros... am I possibly retarded?
>>561126504Calm down Mina!
Is Vyper bad ? I never see her played but I loooove her dialogue so much
Mirage is op again and all is good in the world
>Mirage>Kit has nothing to do with mirages or illusions?
>>561127067seriously though how is toxic bullets not a 6400 item or nerfed to shit?i regularly see it doing more than actual gun or ability damageshit is fucking insane
>>561128004No she's just ugly so no one plays her.
>>561128004If you can aim and they can't counter build you'll win since you practically have infinite ammo>>561128031It's cause he's aladin
>>561128004y'know they loved this in philly
>>561126925calm down lady giest
>holliday>kit has nothing to do with vacations
>>561127858yes you're a fake dotard and yoshicefrog is disappoint.
>seven>only has four abilities
>Ivy>Made out of stone
Graves belongs to Victor btw.Apollo-timmies eat your heart out
>doorman>you can't tip him
>graves>only summons one grave
>grey talon>bird is green
>mina>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>calico>sphinx cat
>>561128758>Graves belongs to Victor btw.Based, ship has potential>Apollo-timmies eat your heart outBased×2, apollo is such a fucking faggot both in gameplay and lore
>pocket>briefcase
>hidden king>he's the size of a building and glowing
>abrams>not an m1 hero
>archmother>is not an arch>has no kids
>>561129005>>has no kids
>>561128004If she doesn't win lane and snowball she sucks and she's not enough of a lane rapist to make that reliable.
>>561127795They hated him because he told the truth
>werewolves are weak against silver >Silver is self destructive
https://files.catbox.moe/cvzg42.webm>just buy metal skin bro just walk out
>>561129631yeah? they didn't
>>561129631a mcginnis dying like a retard to this then getting mad enough to go into the replay and make a webm is the funniest shit
>>561129631Yes, that is indeed the playNotably, neither of those two did thatWhich one were you, anon?
We all agree that Hidden King is the Reddit patron and that /dlg/ is is an Archmother thread, right?
>>561129791Both of these nu-patrons are reddit, I'm Amber Hand for life.
it's crazy just how dogshit yamato feels right now despite not getting many changes beyond a bugfix/nerfit's like she's a patch behind damage wise
>>561129695the rem bought metal skin and popped it while sleeping on mc ginnis
>>561129631>These are the players crying about HazeI love when anons give me visual proof that I'm arguing with dogshit retards.
>>561129908ok then tell me exactly how the mcginnis was meant to get out of this situation without dying
>>561129791/dlg/ is venator pilled and want both patrons dead
>>561129908Haze has almost 55% wr on eternus right nowPost rank right now, I dare you
>>561129850bro the bugfix she got actually nerfed her
>>561129631I don't see how the Rem couldn't have just jumped into McGinnis and she just dash jump away. Like no one was even sleep darted there.
>>561129947>get yourself into a stupid position>you get killed for it>erm literally nothing i could do absolutely nothing
>>561129947wall lol?
just ward her jungle
>>561129859yeah and he also didn't die and got away so it doesn't change the equasion
>>561129965Are you retarded or did you literally not read the sentence.Either way it wasn't anything massive so she shouldn't really feel like this, it must be just not being good overall and then the health changes
do people realise you can just walk away from bullet dance?
>>561129791I like hidden king, he looks cute and shy
>Silver's abilities now affected by range increaseToo bad she's so short on the slots she can't afford to get items that would increase the range of her abilities
Undeniable trufs
>>561130080both
>>561130081>just walk away>clip shows someone trying to walk away and dying twice
>>561129947>Land your wall to block her>Actually try to escape instead of dashing once then turning around to try and fight the actively ulting Haze with a big soul lead
My Hero? Honest and requires skill.Your "hero"? Broken and braindead.Any questions?
these are the same arguments people made against viktor and yet he got nerfed into the ground this patch
>>561130267i'd argue haze is even more braindead than viktor
>>561130127Trophy collector on every hero
>>561130267I don't think Victor got nerfed because retards refused to not stand in his ult. In fact, didn't they buff the range on it?
>>561130194>>561130267A: samefagB: retardhe stood there and ate that shit and had terrible movementPLEASE tell me neither the rem nor the miku were you
>>561130070because the haze doesn't know how to fight without ult, she would actively avoid fighting until it was up>>561130364aura>>561130372it's a fucking 2 stamina character, what movement do you expect?
>>561130443>it's a fucking 2 stamina character, what movement do you expect?YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>561130267id be happy if victor was nerfed until the point where picking him was an auto-loss and got you banned for a month
MY MCG$ STOCKS ARE TANKING!!! QUICK, GET THE SILVERFAGS TO RUN DIVERSION TACTICS
I know people gravitate towards stronger heros but I'm literally going up against 6 man top tier comps almost every game now, it's crazy how stacked it feels considering it's random.
>>561130490>every character has to build stamina mastery to play the game correctly
>>561128004Her gimmick is being a spirit gun hybrid but Wraith just does that better so there's not much reason to play Vyper unless you just fuck with her particular toolkit for some reason
how do you make Paige's dragon "bounce"
>>561130443>what movement do you expect?Literally anything more than dashing once before turning around to try and fight. You are genuinely delusional if you think you did all you could in that situation.
>>561130583Hmmmm if you are having trouble against the hero who you need to just get out of the circle away from, yeah maybe you should buy some fucking movement itemsOh my god, the miku actually was you, wasn't it? That's fucking pathetic dude
>they finally buffed the heroes I play>so burned out by the march 6 patch that I don't want to play anymore
>>561130642ok smart guy then how the fuck are you going to defend against this in the pit? you know, where you have to stand to defend your patron?
i an so godfamn tired of laning against the faggot prince of ixia
>>561127460trueher 3 should be like a skill shot where you shoot really fast
>>561128004She is supposed to get pickoffs early and transition to kind of a secondary carry. But she is squishy, low range and kind of hard to pilot. Also characters like Wraith that scale better got a lot better early so Vyper feels like a gimmick. Considering she didn't get touched in the balance patches I expect her to get reworked within a few months.
This game still needs a proper healslut character to bring in the female audience
>>561130719>how the fuck are you going to defend against this in the pit?If the enemy Haze is hard carrying so hard that she's in your base eating your patron and you still don't have any items to shut her down you deserve to loseIt's as simple as that, either build around the biggest threats you face, be a bigger threat(clearly not happening by then), or eat shit and die
>>561130719Well in this goalpost-moving hypothetical you're probably going to have to>concede some ground until unstoppable is gone>metal skin to buy time>plated armour to tank morePick one or more of the aboveYou might even have to be picking another target and killing them, or just barraging her from a distance so she has to back shortly while someone else tanks, or try cutting her farm off earlierThere's a great deal of things you could try instead of crying about how you're too retarded to buy mobility items like stamina mastery and warp stone to get away from a haze while you're overextending on her side of the map and trying to manfight in her bullet dance like a toolIt's baffling the kinds of complaints we see in this general. Fucking incredible, a guy bitching that their haze isn't doing anything but bullet dancing. As in literally just bullet dance and unstoppable, no curse or slowing hex or anything to ACTUALLY stop him escaping, and he's still shrieking about it
ugh i don't want to build counter items why can't all the others heroes get nerfed
>>561130443>because the haze doesn't know how to fight without ult, she would actively avoid fighting until it was upoh wow, he played around his cooldowns? like you're supposed to on every character, in every game? what a retard, avoiding fighting without ult
>ban x hero>queue game>enemy team gets the banned herowhat is the point?
thoughts on this gun/melee bebop build
>>561131036Just wait for the inevitable Deadlock copycat from Riot
had some retarded dynamo feed lane with lash and vindicta and he refused to buy knockdown when I told him to even after killing said vindicta with itIf youre here, fuck you
>>561130956motherfucker how do you think they got fed in the first place? they got their first kill 21 minutes in, they weren't carrying. they just got boosted with their ult build when the game transitioned to team fights >>561131037ult builds should be discouraged, if your entire value is just pressing 4 then you don't deserve to play this game in the first place
>>561130931all the egirls are playing mina and melting in my games after going 0/6 on celeste
>>5611311100/10
>>561130931My friend group has three women that play, and they seem to choose characters based on aesthetic rather than mechanics.Most popular characters for them were Celeste, Billy, Drifter, and Doorman. The one that plays the most is OBSESSED with Drifter.They all thought Paige was too much of a basic bitch, and ironically the Victor verdict is that he's too blatantly pandering.I don't really think women care to be a healslut even when playing with their BF, they just want a character design they find appealing and will try to figure out the character's mechanics almost as a secondary motive.
>>561131062There are 12 people in the lobby but only 2 bans per game. It's better than nothing, if barely. Hopefully the roster will soon be big enough where Yoshi is going to give us an actual draft.
any suggestions for practicing how to land Sinclair bolts?
>>561131026again we are at the viktor problem of the only counter is buying multiple curses >pop metal skin>pray to god i don't get melted in the 3 seconds between my metal skin ending and haze's unstoppable ending>curse haze>haze pops refresher>another player has to also curse haze again
>>561131248>aim bolt at them>they dash to avoid it >redirect to them middash unavoidable
>>561131336Just keep shifting the goalposts over to some new faggotry to get mad about then, I don't give a fuckYou could have solved this death if you bought one or two mobility items, warp stone would have been goodNow shut the fuck up RETARD
>>561131208why
>>561131418this isn't even my death
>>561131236>draft(nta) maybe i am a casualfag but i don't want drafti don't feel like putting up with classics such as>"WAAAAAAHHHHHH MY PICK GOT BANNED I'M GONNA THRRROOOOOOOOOOWWW">"WHYYYYYYYYYY DID YOU PICK X WE NEEEEEEEEEEEEED Y">"NO NO NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I CAN'T PICK Y YOUUUU NEED TO GO Y">"WHYYYYY IS NOBODY PICKING Z FOR MY W"and other forms of faggotry that i probably missed etc etc so on so forth you get the ideai just want to ensure that i get to play one of the characters in my roster and that nobody spergs out about itif that means i'm put in the shitpit where their team gets all the cc aids heroes so be it
>>561130719>"Okay, my example is shit and I'm a retard but what about this specific situation where the fed Haze is assaulting my base forcing me to fight and I still haven't bought counter items? Character looks kinda silly here, huh?"idk maybe your team can just focus down the carry that barely has any resistances themselves
>>561130267>nerfed into the ground>went from 56% wr to 53%bohoo nigga, he's only slightly less of an instant win pick, the tragedy.
>>561131418>the entire team now needs to buy stamina mastery, metal skin, curses, and warp stone just to counter one hero on the enemy teamyou know you are asking a lot of a random team of solos
>>561130130WrongThose who only dislike the status quo because they aren't on top belong to archmother Hidden king is more like complete change of rulesPocket or wraith are 100 percent archmother
>ask teammate to help me dive>they say "im oom" and don't help me?????
>>561131130>they got their first kill 21 minutes inYou lost to a retarded Haze that fed until 22 minutes into the match and ultbotted? This isn't an issue with the game or the character man, this is a skill issue. Maybe you can argue they got fed by your teammates and then they became a problem for you too but the point is someone somewhere lost to someone who sucks at the game.>ult builds should be discouragedThey already are lolThere are a lot of items for countering someone who's over reliant on their ult, which is why ult builds only tend to work in low elo. And I mean REALLY low elo, like even by Alchemist people will atleast start to toss in a knockdown or some shit if they notice the enemy Seven bought refresher.
>>561131621they were out of mana
genuinely how do you get hit with victors ult aura it just you enough time to just shift out lmao xD
>>561131130>ult builds should be discouragedFull ult build is inherently discouraged by the simple fact that even you literally said the Haze was out of the game every time she used it. The Haze was not fighting for as long as you even after killing you. If you bought ANYTHING to let you get away then that was almost as good as killing the Haze.
>enduring speed reduces the mspd penalty when you're shootingI didn't know that.
how do you stop vindicta from being 800 meters in the air
>>561129791Hidden Kang has the better intro song and I like being able to hide in the trucks.
>>561131805knockdown you stupid fucking retard
>>561131805Knock her up.
>>561131805KnockdownPhantom StrikeTake cover so it doesn't mean anything when she's just floating up there on her own
>>561131130>ult builds should be discouragedanon are you not paying attention to the patch notes? they deliberately turned haze into an ultbot by nerfing everything else about her except giving her back +1 targets on ult. pocket also got turned into an ultbot. the devs want ultbot characters to be a thing
>>561131847Take cover is only good early game, just do the needful and buy the counters
>>561131151feeding on a character that takes skill is more respectful than healslutting desu
>>561131836>>561131842>>561131847nta but i play vin and now that i can parry in the air i can safely say you will need more than one knockdown
The better I get at this game and the higher rank I acquire the more I hate it.
>>561131852>haze is only an ultbotI was going to give you another multiple line argument but you're clearly just being retarded on purposeRevolting behaviour you disgusting emissary, last (You) you're getting from me
>>561131805play bebop and be her 13th reason why
>>561131836>>561131842>>561131847its street brawl so i dont have knockdown>>561132053bebop is lame
>>561132051parzelion jonjon and renon agree that she's just an ultbot now and you'll never reach their rank sweetie
>>561132141who who and who? are you unable to come up with an opinion of your own?
I play Haze like a Drifter with invis.
>>561132304>Seekerbro exposes xirselfOh no no no...
>>561132141I don't trust JonJon after his Geist performance.
>matchmaking puts me into an arcanist 1 vs alchemist match>our team completely rapes theminstead of fixing shit like this they're buffing celeste and apollo
>>561132413There is zero difference between arcanist and alchemist little chudyou are shitelo.
is oracle pisslow, shitlow, or cumlow
Why did they murder Victor?
DUH DAWKNESS CUMS FO'YOU
>>561132413>arcanist 1 vs alchemist 5That's placebo levels of elo difference
>>561132457i wasn't implying i was arcanist
>>561132531How do I play this fucker after he got omega nerfed?
is mo and krill actually bad or is just everyone who plays them trash
>>561132471Is elo hell where all the newish but decent players and old but dogshit players end up.I climbed out of it but I had to spam pre nerf victor. Now I'm in ascendant and a 50/50 agent.
>>561132576nerfed? him getting stacks for his 3 is the biggest buff he could've gotten, he's great
>wolf form pops, about to dive in>bebop (ally) fucking grabs me and ults, stealing like 4 kills i could have gottenFUCKING CLANKERS!!!!!!!!!
>>561132576He's the best ult bot in the game, second to now top of the list Mirage
>>561132361phantom but i'll give you another chance, why can't you come up with your own opinions?
>>561132576>omega nerfedHe's a solid A tier though. >How do I playGet your cores and start violating them in their own jungle.
here's your victor build
>still owning games unannounced
>>561132576>nerfedyou were never good at drifta
What exactly is it that Seven does that has him consistently at the top of Eternus winrates
Wonder why they're still pussyfooting around Mirage and Sheev when it's clear the characters need a complete rework. I don't think they've been balanced for a single patch ever since they released.
>>561132792I accept your concession.
>>561132883ball lightning wave clear and FREE tesla bullets for jungle farming
>>561132883Farms fast and has easy to use abilities
>>561132883Loadsa damage
ze city is my playground
>>561132897>sheevfuck off tv
>>561132838>And other tales from Seeker
>>561132926>>561133042>>561133043It's weird though because I swear Seven does fuck all in all the games I'm in with him, but he's got a high winrate in my tier too (Oracle)
>>561132883>What exactly is it that Seven does that has him consistently at the top of Eternus winratesA little bit of everything, in my opinion. He's just strong-ish if not outright strong at every point in the game. Like I'm not sure if he'd say he's the best at anything, but he's got good clear, good skirmishing, good teamfighting, good sieging. The only thing I'd say he's not terribly good at is playing from behind and making a comeback, and even then his tools still give him options for trying that reasonably well
>>561130754Same i hate that fag, bully him late game as revenge
Paige is the most honest character.
Mirage is op what the fuck
>>561132583Mo and Krill is deceptively easy but has more depth than you'd expect so it attracts people who play fairly brainlessly and then fail to live up to the character's potential as a dive tankThough they did get nerfed yesterday so that doesn't help
>>561133193
enter my ice dome
>>561133193LOL
>>561133305
>>561131805knockdown, lash ult, bebop hook, ivy stone form, holliday lasso, dynamos singularity if you can jump there, fucking seven stun, haze's sleepy knife and rem's naptime
YEAH I DONT FIGHT FAIR
>>561132883>lots of damage>ball lightning is half a lane's length when he gets expansion that persists forever, shits out damage and doesn't care about spell breaker>I win teamfight button ult that often heals him to full>aoe on click knockdown>fast farm, built in steroids
>>561127323Too many people playing this game get very mad when they have to play against certain characters differently than they do others. >T. Silverfag
>>561132576>nerfedHis passive now works without the conditional if you ult and he gets stacks just by being near a kill wdym?? I swear it feels like half the thread doesn't play the game
>>561133457Sadly trueAs evidenced by the guy in this very thread crying about Haze ult
who do i actually buy glass cannon on
Uh oh m1ggers getting uppity again kek
>>561133513Paige
majestic leap should be on a 1 second cooldown
I party queued from Oracle to Ascendant. I will play solo queue and grief your games unless I'm on my main, and even then it's a 50/50.I do not feel even a speck of remorse.
>>561132883Shit ton of damage on 2 of his normal abilities 1 of which is a charged ability so he can literally spam a shit ton of damage, his gun is pretty fucking good on top of that and he has a free hard CC stun on his 3rd basic ability making his kit fucking broken, not to fucking mention the size of these things, you don't have to aim the balls at all and the stun is a point and click one that late game can stun the entire enemy team for 2 fucking seconds, more if you get duration extender, all of this is topped off with an ult that is an instant DIE button for the enemy team that forces them to run indoors which helps your team position better
>>561129850You might just be bad at her or not building correctly, she's very strong after the buffs
what would be good characters for someone like me who grew up on valve's FPS's like TF2 and L4D2as characters, I'm drawn towards Ivy and Rem, but idk if they'd actually be good for meHeavy main btw
>>561126435
What is krill supposed to be
>>561133753racist
>>561133753le monkey faec
>>561133726Billy
>>561133513Anyone who doesn't tank, like vindicta i guess, don't buy it on silver or the like though
>binding vinny 4 to m2 feels great>don't have an open key for zooming inMan
>>561133753Sun wukong
>>561133604who actually buys this shit, it has no passive stats and is unusable in fights with the 5 second interrupt cooldown
>>561133839fun havers
>>561133823Yeah, it's CSGO all over again.
>>561133596What about Sinclair?
>>561133726My werewolf wife and my chud son
>>561133513Warden since his shield and ulti offset the health loss at that point.
>>5611339535 inches
3 passive with 1 active ability hero when? preferably a skeleton looking fella who is a monarch
>>561133596
>>561134247What about Sinclair? (Savannah)
>>561134086Will be too boring. Expect 1 more auto aim character max
>>561133596>no remso big he doesn't even fit on the chart...
when can i play as a jungle mob
>>561133726>Heavymikuginns has a gun like heavy's and abilities like the engineer, give her a try
Cute squirrel hero when
I really dislike the style of "balancing" this game has, where they make one character absurdly annoying for a few weeks and then to compensate, instead of tuning it down they choose another character to make even more annoying, rinse and repeat every "balance" patch.
>>5611342715 inches
>>561134350I'd prefer a rabbit
Why is the most honest character a thief?
The first Celeste win was hitting Ritualist IAfter that i have been getting nothing but turbo retards every team either leaving or going 0/1231232 in first microsecond on enemy lane.Fix your fucking retarded matchmaking Yoshi.
>>561134419this is just every modern live service
>>561134493what if the goop in her head took the form of a penis haha
>>561134521>loses 8 times in a row>"none of these were my fault"
>>561134419supposedly valve balancing is making everything op, but so far how deadlock has been going is that take three characters at random and turn them into 70% winrate 'no fun allowed' niggers, and then another poor sod gets their kit completely gutted, everything that makes them interesting gets removed, and they will let that fucker sink into 40% winrate, rinse and repeat
>>561134350That's the first skin for rem
I know Icefrog made this shit game so we have to call the playable characters heroes but what is heroic about the Duriftah? Calico? Doorman? etc.
does anyone know what causes my lane partner, graves, to tilt 6 mins in the match and get less kills than our silver? new bug introduced in this patch?
>>561133596Mo would be tiny, humans are relatively well endowed mammals. idk what krill is supposed to be but he'd likely be below 2-4 on the chart.>bebop+viscous
>>561134570nta but clearly you havent played enough
why do we have to call them heroes? i don't, am i going to get banned?
silverbros...
>>561134864krill looks like some kind of capuchin monkey, definitely some sort of new-world primate. for certain he's not an old-world great ape.
>>561134521The only way I'm able to get wins anymore as a m1gger is to queue stuff I've never played before like Dynamo.
>>561134934woah you can't just call my nigga krill a monkey
>>561134921Silver needs buffs...
>>561134813The character attracts low IQ and/or child players due to her being easy mode, it's taken into account when balancing her.
>>561134990we're all monkeys, my friend. you will ALWAYS be a great ape, you will NEVER be a non-simian.
While in laning phase, your character should shout "IM RELOADING" whenever you reload so your teammate knows not to do anything stupid and vice versa
>>561134921>runs away the entire fight while paige and graves clean housepathetic, though that bebop hook was fucked up
>>561135085Don't know what's so "great" about being human, Orang Utans are much greater.
>>561134813meta niggers chasing the "op" hero not knowing graves is shit and super weak in lane until at least 30 minutes into the game
I already RQ from a game on an alt account after making it just to avoid a ban on main. I think this dogshit game is not for me. Gonna play better games, peace
uninstalling this game
>>561135357good luck with your temper tantrums
>>561135357You're extremely high estrogen and low testosterone.
>>561134921Bebop saved your lie you ingrate
macroing is gay i should be able to go to a in game atm pay 5 dollars and jump up to 20k souls instantly
>>561135357Good.
>>561135475Why? Because I cannot deal with niggers in this game?
>uninstalling now>not uninstalling when wraith and calico were meta
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>>561135540Because you act like a histrionic woman.
>>561135645I just have standards.
>>561135475>>561135645This.
hide graves autist posts, he'll ask for you to give him another invite code after he makes another account after having his daily melty
>>561135675Obviously not for yourself if you behave this way.
>>561134419The game is in alpha. They are probably just making shit op to experiment at this point. Like they probably never intended calico to be op permanently, but making her op for a while can give useful data
>>561135819I'm not UTC +2, it's just winter time
>>561135675You apply your standards to others rather than yourself, that is not something men do.
>>561135942You might be true but you gotta agree this game is simply garbage. You cannot be a blind valve troon like the others.
Reminder to not feed the schizo. Ignore him and he'll go away since you are giving him the attention his parents never did.
>>561135357>wahhhhhhhh>wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>561136093go away like your chopped off cock, you tranny freak?
>>561135819He's in utc +4 throughverbeitum.
>>561135871>"They are probably just making shit op to experiment at this point.">inb4 they keep this same pattern going when the game actually comes out
>>561136093Fair, but it's kinda fun since it seems so genuine.
>>561134921Pretty sure you were gonna get shredded if bebop didn’t hook you>seven stunned>4 enemies >under guardian >Mina ulting
Reminder that half the movement "tech" are literal bugs that will get fixed and removed. Don't waste time learning them
I love spamming skulls and zombies, gun graves just doesn't hit as much as 20 skulls and 5 zombies chasing sissy venator who tried to jump me
>>561136252It might be funny for a bit but trust me it get olds fast. Best to stop before it gets out of control.
>>561126435Hey bros I finished my first week of Basic and we get to use our phones now. I have some questions I NEED answered because I've been cut off from the world for days>Have they unfucked the "buff EVERYONE" patch>Have they reverted the Sinners nerf that makes them dogshit for anyone not Rem>Has Yoshi been dragged out of Valve HQ and torn apart alive by an angry crowd yet>Did we get that Mina x Pocket fic from that writefag yet>Have we nuked Iran or what
>>561136215They will to an extent, but it won't be as unstable as it is now.We have over a decades worth of dota 2 patch notes for reference. If you don't know what to expect from valves balancing policy already then you are retarded or an actual child
>>561136413Thank you for dying for israel goy
>>561136413victor got decapitated and turned into a hotdogthe others got a slap on the wrist
>>561133513Any gun build>>561133813The benefits pretty solidly outweigh the downside of less HP. Especially if your K/D is good enough to start building fire rate stacks.
>>561136343like what? any examples?
>>561136517I'm a poor nigger from a poor nigger town, the moment I get my Free College[TM] I'm getting the fuck out lol>>561136534Thank you God, may Victor get turned into a D-tier shitter pick
>>561136620NTA but (((mantling))) is just mindless crouch-tapping when climbing a ledge to get a speed boost
>>561134921thats why she got buffed, people learned that you just need to fucking kite her during lult
>>561136695Victor was always d tier ok even when he was over 55% winrate
>>561136413>Mina x Pocket ficwe got it and its tranny romanceslop
>>561130130Vindicta should be hidden king
>>561136836stop NOOTICING, the s-tiers must be allowed to reign supreme forever
So who should I be one tricking this patch? Apollo or Geist?Ascendant btw
how do you build graves now? the deathy build seems awful
>>561136936Billy
>>561136856Theres literally nothing wrong with romance thoughdoughloughbeight
The Lich is an ugly bastard grooming Graves.
>>561136986>have opportunity to write deep dick plapping with mina's cleanshaved gook pussy and leglock mating press insemination>write gay weddingtumblrtrannies get the rope
>>561136856>Doesn't like Romance.You're the porn addicted tranny.
>>561136986>thoughdoughloughbeight???I don't get why troons are so troubled by the word "though"
>>561136413>Have they unfucked the "buff EVERYONE" patchPartly>Have they reverted the Sinners nerf that makes them dogshit for anyone not RemSinners have never been dogshit>Has Yoshi been dragged out of Valve HQ and torn apart alive by an angry crowd yetHe's fled to his island for refuge>Did we get that Mina x Pocket fic from that writefag yetYes, it's pretty good even if shorthttps://archiveofourown()org/works/81240351>Have we nuked Iran or whatNot my problem since I'm not a burger, except for how you niggers are fucking my fuel prices up fuck you retards>>561136856>>561137047Romance isn't tranny fuck you fag
>>561137042Unironically isn't the Lich female
>>561128031Jinn are Arabian, murder Scarabs are more Egyptian associated, could've been called Khamsin or some shit for the tornado stuff
>>561137042>haha I’m a girl lich I swear. You’re really mature for your age. You should be my apprentice
uhhhh pulse grenade's ready btw
>>561137136p sure it's always mentioned as female yeah
Why does nobody get Phantom Strike on Yamato? feels like it should be really good on her.
>>561137180UHH SWAP'S NOT READY
All of you obsessing about Graves makes me feel like a cuck. Why are meta slaves like this?
>if you write the most tumblrfoid romanceslop fanfic ever made by a 4chuddy writefag you are a TRANNY>REAL writeGODS write jerkoff material
>>561137042ugly hag*
>>561137242the funny thing is the anon who wrote the mina fic unironically has a tumblr
>>561137242sorry bro impregnating and falling in love with a women? That's trannyism. Now watching a women be fucked by a pack of feral dogs while wearing a chastity cage? Real Straight men do that. *This post was fact checked by REAL AMERICAN patriots
>>561137242It's the other way around>MenPrefer romance because historically men can't ensure their partner's kid is actually really his. Emotional attachment is a way to prevent getting cucked when a man was hunting or at war>FemaleAs long as she's loyal she can be SURE of the identity of her kid's father when she gets preggers. So females prefer raunchy shit
Fixing a trainwreck woman and marrying her is what real men do (also she's a werewolf)
>>561137242Troons cant reproduce so """romance"" is everything for themNormies (guys and girls both) can reproduce, thus preferring smut
>>561137242An experienced writefag knows there's no point to writing jerkoff material that doesn't have romance in it as wellThe divine truth is that every other porn medium is just better than writefaggotry in all ways, except for the ability to get the audience invested in the characters and the emotions they feel and the consequences they end up receiving. You can't just write 'dick goes into pussy over and over' and have that be as hot as actually seeing it, it doesn't fucking work. You NEED to focus on the feelings
>>561137487>>561137569/pol/'s best evolutionary psychologists are active dee el gee posters I seebtw which board mains which hero?>/a/Yamato 100%, she's ugly but weebs will see a 0/10 nip and get sweaty anyway
>>561137569romance guarantees fidelity therfore your own blood being passed on, sex is just sex and it goes away after an orgasm.
>>561137658wouldn't she be /jp/ since she actually talk japanese?
>>561137658polGODS only play apollo, the tradcath RIGHTFVL HEIR of a magical ethnostate that is fighting an epic war against the Amerigolem Empire
>>561137551This guy knows
My goal for this patch: make melee Shiv work with a 50%+ winrate.
>>561137695Yamato would post on /jp/ but /a/ would play Yamato, does that make sense
>>561137761yam would be /int/ since that's where the good JP thread is. Really she would hate social media since shes a traditionalist from almost 100 years ago.
>>561137551how can i fix silver if i can't even fix myself...
>>561137896>100 years agoBro She's A Neon Prime Leftover, She's From Neo-Tokyo 100 Years In The Future
>>561138020馬鹿が
>Retarded Celeste going 2/9 accusing his team of being AI and intentionally setting him up for bad fightsSome people just get mindbroken by MOBAs it would seem
>>561138012Sometimes people need help fixing each otherGiving and receiving patience and trust is one of the most life-affirming things possible, the kind of thing that really makes you want to tryAnd miracles only start happening when you try
>>561136558>The benefits pretty solidly outweigh the downside of less HP.Not if you're a frontliner or a tank imo, but I'll try it and report back later
>>561138012Helping someone else is the best way to help yourself.
since when does disarming hex last for 5 years
>>561138012have you tried applying yourself?
yay im able to play mina wo inting in my rank now it was tough as fuck the first 10 rounds or so
>>561138113Celeste could easily be right without context. Likely they're just in low prioQ and tilted.>>561138219How many times do we need to say this, this is an icefrog game, tan as a role does not exist their are only tany characters but there are no true tanks that can just absorb damage while doing little to non themselves.
i keep losing brosi'm outfarming my carries by running around doing boxes
>>561135563>when wraith and calico were metayesterday, today, tomorrow
>>561138275Good job, I had a 20% wr the first fifty games on her then she cliced and I shot up to 51%
>>561138331its brawl metato win you have to fight
>>561137732AH TRIED TO BE NICE
I actually fucking hate shiv and I hope he gets a full visual and voice over rework
>>561138390the stats are still pretty atrociousrly fun hero though, shes so much better since the patch, consistent ult, being able to zoom out and zoom in multiple times and keep floating i streamed to some friends yday to show em deadlock and they all called her vampire mary poppins
Apollo is such a cancer>Use knockdown on him>He just parries it and leaves>Use slowing hex on him>He just parries it or any of the bullets used after its applied and gets away
>>561138275she does take a while to get used to, my first matches were like 30% win rate but now i'm overall 60% win rate over 200 games on her
am I boosted
>>561138664needs a complete rework of his hitboxes and stats, his character shouldn't be so gay and lame mechanically.
>>561138487yeah hes too ugly for everyone to be calling him handsome
>>5611387586 7!!!!
>>561138694>60%wr>MinaHow the fuck do you deal with teams that refused to end prior to the lategame changes+stacks all focusing you and only you? Or do you duo/stack in which case it doesn't matter.>>561138758Everyone is boosted now, including low eternus.
characters that need a full gameplay rework>haze>wraith>infernus>vindicta>venator>warden>vyper>drifter>mirage
>>561138331>outfarming my carriesMaybe stop doing that, retard? Being a 10k up dynamo isn't fucking useful. It makes everything harder for your team >can't get comeback souls because inflated support faggot has a soul lead>can't get comeback urn>actively takes farm away from carriesIf you can't carry, being in a soul doesn't help your team
>>561138331>>561138331There is a shitty aspect of mobas where if you want to actually win and climb ranks you are forced into playing certain meta characters. This is why I only play Street Ball. I just like Holliday and don't want to get yelled at for Qing her. >>561138487Yeah I don't like his model or his voice either. Or his kit.>>561138520>vampire Mary PoppinsI kekked
>>561138787They don't call him handsome (except Wivy). They just like his hair.
>>561138835>How the fuck do you deal with teams that refused to end prior to the lategame changes+stacks all focusing you and only youi probably just lost those desu or relied on the team having another carry coming online late
>>561137551You just know silver has unknowingly taken raw creampies (anal too) by people of all walks of life after her many stints at the barThe only reason she hasn't gotten pregnant or stds is because shes a werewolf
>>561138915whats wrong with drifter?
>>561138915What's wrong with venator+drifter?
>>561138487U are brown I fear
>>561138998shiv looks more like a monkey than most brownoids though
>>561138937frieren burger
>>561128004she's fun but takes way more effort and initiative than other bullet heroes
>>561138948What a disgusting bitch! Eww what a stinky mangy mutt whore!!!
>>561138946>relied on the team having another carry coming online lateThat never happend for me but I'm in shitter rank, maybe I got reported for smurfing idk I'll double check the math on my games played. 60% is Impressive honestly with how popular she is and how she is the default focus every game. My Geist wr % was like 70% now hovering around 68% but that's because even if you get focused / have a horrid lane you can always fall back on being tanky.
>heading to lane with like three waves of creeps for sine sweet farm and janny duty>support uses zip speed boost to get there before meAt what rank does this stop?
>>561139049>juan piece
>>561128758Stay mad unc
>>561138948This is appealing to silver waifufags though.
hmm feels weird for silver but okay
>>561138948Not canon.
>>561139176when u stop brooling mid and start catching waves before they hit the walker so ur support doesnt have to janny all game
>pick graves>sit in the lane i spawned in for 30 minutes>never get to join teamfights or go to any other lane for 30 minutesdoes this ever change?
how people can find silver hot with that accent is beyond me, can she give it to holliday or something
>>561139176Idk why do people care about lane creeps it's not a big deal, stealing camps is a niggermove though. And as the other anon pointed out the support is probably just on lane janny auto pilot for the last 30 minutes watching another retard run solo into the enemy jungle on the minimap
>can play shiv every time no problem>gets his stamina back>now only get him half the timefairweather faggots
>>561139318clear the lane metafag chasing nigger janny
>>561137732>>561138431>Paradox asks me "what the fuck is your build Shiv" (melee lifesteal + extra health + rebuttal + spirit strike + close quarters)>end up with the most dmg on my teamTIME TO BRING OUT THE BIG GUNS
>>561139278>all in burst character >item that does damage and keeps people in your burst
i unironically find shiv to be hot
>>561139476You cant expect the silvertroons to think in this way anon
Valve needs to add a fucking Nuclear War alarm siren sound and a BIG ASS sign saying "STAY IN PATRON AREA TO MAKE IT IMMORTAL" when they get to 2nd phase because the amount of people who don't fucking know that is insane holy shit. Fucking Oracles don't realize that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf8GGfWZw5Q
>>561139278>Best active item in the game>Also does damage>Also prevents people from retaliating when bola'duh
>>561139278He's right. That item + your combo gives you instant ult. Though, you should prioritize express shot first.
>>561139376The accent is cute
i just had a 51 minute match and we lost because our team forced a mid fight while paige chipped at our shrines. i think i might kill myself today.
>>561139776>Getting backdoor'd by Paige
Paradox accent is so cute
I want to give Vyper fentanyl are irreversibly alter the trajectory of her life
>>561139940she's also a big dork which is cute
>>561139278They've made her scale with spirit more, I wonder how far you can take that
Victor/Wraith status after changes? I haven't been able to play yet but they look significant
>>561140007Spiritual overflow is a core item on Silver now
AWOOOOOOOOOmidgame silver so fun
>>561140121no cap?
Silver is just a normified Vyper
>>561140162ong frfr
Venator's voice makes me throb
>>561140151how did that parry stun you here? you used your leap?
Silver's model looks like unfinished garbage. Her head is too big for her body and her texture look placeholder-tier.Also her animations are shit
>>561139730Replace Graves with Vinny and you're based.
>>561140396Most people melee when the leap lands as it's free damage, against people that are retarded or very good it's a mistake
Skin mod enjoyers will be raped harder than you can imagine once paid skins drop, script and cheat users will never be punished
>>561140396yeah i melee while leaping
>>561140501>free damage>could easily get you 100 to zero if they are good or using scriptsyeah no thanks
>>561140652Exactly, it's a mistake unless you confirm that they won't react parry first
>see silver on enemy brawl team>keep rerolling for knockdown>bonus points if she complains about perma stuns in all chat
>>561139413Relax he's not even playing any of the actual carries you sperg.
>>561140857>she
>>561139776I am boycotting 6v6 until the balance improves. I don't really enjoy playing Victor and am tired of being forced to.
CHOMPED>>561140642calico didn't parry it here i believe, that was a habitual parry i got parried to lmao
>>561140893Silver's a woman, anon.
I'm about to get cancer
Are any of the public Vinny builds good?
dey cun tie tuh fide back, buht id won mattuh
>>561141041metro's
Is icefrog really working on thisThese patches are nonsense
>>561141024Pocket seems chill
>>561141121yoshi is icefrog
>melee damage increases doesn't increase silver's wolf m1sDumb and lame
Does Return Fire proc your bullet effects?
>lose 80% of my matches as Gravesyou guys said she was incredibly OP now...did /dlg/ lie to me again?
>>561141226No, just every gun damage item
>>561141024>complaining about abrams in the big '26
>>561141274shes pretty good
Fuck the metaslaves that are only playing Graves now
>>561141507sorry anon if you played her before back of the line make way for the cockroaches
>>561141507>moba character gets a big buff>people start playing it sensational, never happened before
Remove rebuttal
>>561141667this and also spellbreaker and silencer
>>561140007I think there is some precedent to building more spirit on Silver than what we've seenAside from Silence Wave which is a staple, Spirit Snatch and Superior Duration are pretty good value on her, but I don't think she's good with too much purple since you end up having to drop important items with too much investment
hello i am new why does warden sound like a pansy when dying? if i was him id die in a manlier way
they should make the ghouls squishier and deal less damage but make every ability summon a ghoul at tier 3
>>561141667>>561141725what characters do you play
>>561141856Billy
>>561141820Duration is a nice buy since it buffs her debuffs (bola and tail). With duration her tail disarm is something stupid like 4 seconds.
>celeste ulti now works on mobsthe fuck is the point??????????????
Vore hero when
crushing fists should be buffed
>>561142050>now
>>561142070quantum entanglement is kina vore if you think about it
>>561142050NOT MY BEST WORK
>>561126743Heroes that revolve around warpstoning into the middle of a teamfight and pressing 4 to win the game instantly are pretty gay.Other than fixation you could remove the rest of Haze's kit and it'd barely effect her at most ranks.It'd be neat if she was a more focused assassin character and didn't have a hyper wide AOE defining her play so much. It's way more fun to use her smoke bombs and sleep daggers to disable and dick around jumping someone on the edge of a fight and murdering them before their team has even realised what's going on.
>>561142050celeste ult is disproportionally reliant on the enemy team being shitters and having that one retard actively pass the ball to some guy in the backline who's resting at 1 hp
>>561127107Sick I can reduce the incoming 3x my healthbar of damage down to like 2x my healthbar.I'm sure no one on the enemy team would build any items that shred spirit resistance either, considering that almost every hero on the enemy team will be spirit damage.
Holy fuck I was going crazy playing mina before this patch, the ult literally did nothing before and It was driving me insane.
do i need to be able to schmove to play celeste?
>>561126743the hero itself isn't that bad really, its fine imo, but the playerbase is genuinely the most subhuman chaste in the game and if i could line up every single haze main and have them shot the game would instant improve, so i will always bm that character and its subhuman playerbase
>>561142365Are you trans?
>>561142423no but people irl think i'm gay
>>561142365not really, you're just naturally floaty so just strafe around in the air when in a teamfight and people will miss all their shit on you
The Victor nerf sucks ass cause its moving him in the wrong direction.>oooo he lifesteals a little lessHim being hard to kill isn't the problem, its him being hard to kill while also murdering all your team by standing near you cause he smells like an MTG player.>bro just buy X itemObviously doesn't work reliably because he was still pulling a near 60% WR in every rank except Eternus. Fucking him over required too much coordination, timing, and because of the ult you generally had to do it twice in a row. And hope the enemy team doesn't do anything while you're fighting the raid boss.Trying to nerf his lifesteal I feel like is the wrong idea, I actually wouldn't mind if he had boosted lifesteal. It should be his damage that is low so he's an annoying tanky character that disrupts, but can be avoided and his team focused down around him.
>>561143058post it on dah fourms
>>561142237It does a lot of damage and disrupts the fuck out of pubs.
>Silver went from D teir to C tierGreat job Yoshi. >He will nerf her in the next patch
Ahem. Dynamo is a shit hero and I hope that he eats a nerf so bad that his winrate hits 0%.I hate playing with a Dynamo, or my team or on their's. Everytime I see the fatfuck I want to alt-F4.
>>561138219>Not if you're a frontliner or a tank imoFirst thingTank isn't a solid role in this game and locking yourself in the mindset of "I'm an X character I do X" is a bad idea. Abrams design encourages tanking, sure, but for many people the meta with him is using mobility/stealth items to be an assassin that jumps people for cheap and easy damage.Obviously characters have things their abilities are catered to but ultimately your build is almost as if not more important than the character you play. You can play support haze, melee rem, and gun apollo. Nothing in the game stops this and some of these may surprise you in their effectiveness despite seeming memey.So if you build gun on a "tank" character, Glass Cannon is a good pick. Hell, I don't see why you WOULDN'T take it on Billy, it does everything he'd want.Second thingA lot of your sustain in this game comes down to lifesteal from damage, so doing more damage means more lifesteal means dying less. This is part of why a support Ivy is so strong, because she can heal the fuck out of her team by shooting people harder, ontop of normal healing methods like items.Third minor thingYou may not be aware but weapon damage as a stat affects melee damage too, so if you're spamming melees as a bruiser glass cannon still improves your damage output.All of this said, I wouldn't recommend it on a non-gun build because if most of your damage isn't coming from your weapon why tf would you take an item that cripples you to boost it.
>>561143293not really anymore, and this never happend with people who played dota2 since they knew it was lich ult. It's only good when they're forced to be grouped like an obj or are very low that it one shots them.
I can't tell if drifter's honest or not
>>561143593The camera perspective in dota makes lich ult a lot less powerful.
>>561142365Arguably yes, her movement is a majority of her strength, if you don't use it properly you're kind of wasting a lot of her potential
>>561143593>not really anymoreI still have plenty of teams lose their shit when the ball starts bouncing and all scatter blindly. Even more so when there's two of them.It's really hard to track who the ball is actually on.
>>561143679>>561143738fair points, though I don't think it needs nerfs when her other three abilities are why she is so broken. Hell her 3 could be her only good ability and she would still see play.
>seraphim wings on Apollo
Why is Celeste a tatood up whore.
apollo geist sex
>>561143996BASED>>561143995testers complained her design was boring afaik same reason they gave her a jacket.
>Doorman's 1 is nerfed unless you get the 5>Doors got range nerfed both basekit and because stupid cunts like Paige could build range items and make their bullshit kits even more retard proof>cart is worthless until 5>ult can be countered by warp stone even if you do knockdown slowing hex before itHe's kind of shit early game and doesn't scale for shit late game, I'm legit confused what the devs want players to do as him
>>561143845I don't think it needs nerfed, it just felt like you were calling it a shit ult.It does it's job well.
>>561143638Drifter's a slot machine that he gets to eat enough people to snowballHe's hoping he lanes against people retarded enough to dive so hard they count as isolated when he shits on them
>>561144092I'm just tired of hearing people complain about it when it's the fairest thing in her kit.
>>561144051Apparently icefrog wants us to be a hotel bot at this point that lays down a swamp of slow and then jerks off in a corner.
>>561144051Focus lens as an entire player on your team
>>561143638>gets free permanent damage just for being nearby when someone diesThis is not honest
>>561144048is there a pic of her original look?
>>561144189It didn't USED to be, and I'm glad they removed the refund.That sort of thing should be on less impactful ults or ones harder to aim, like I couldn't complain too much if Paradox had that.
>>561138935>just let the entire enemy team have a souls advantage on yours bro
>>561144051They kneejerk nerfed him because everyone was crying about him which seems to have been done without any regard for their universal spirit nerfs so maybe they'll buff him again in a few weeks.
i generally like new models but i prefer how more mature old geist face looked, new one feels kinda anime
>AAAAAAAHHHHHH NOOOOO REEEEEE GRAVES IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING OVERPOWERED>mfw she's literally the exact same and still weak as fuck and still free souls early game, mid game and late game
>>561131597pocket's entire thing is institutionally changing things for the better and they only ever invoke their family name in pursuit of that goal?
>>561140448Because it is. She was the last hero out of her batchThey even updated her model like a week later with a few 3d scars but she still has mostly 2d scars.Wolf has shit ton of model clipping. If you compare her to Graves which is arguably the most polished model, she looks much worse but not as bad as Holliday for example.And of course there are shit tons of placeholder animations. Animations also lack the detail. Personally I wish her ears and tail in human would emote more.
when are they fixing the matchmaking all my eternus friends are quitting
>>5611445984lane generally had a bit less cartoony vibe which was interesting to me
>>561144598old geist wasn't a looker but the new geist is objectively ugly as fuck
>>561144598Are these the bogandoff twins?
so what do i build on ivy now
>>561127056>and mystic slowthis isn't even bad on seven. he has permanent surge. cultist sacrifice is dog shit though and bullet lifesteals obviously trolling. I wouldn't personally build improved spirit on him. I would go surge of power because you want to stick to people and get toxic bullets off.
>>561144803ok nevermind i got paradox lol
>>561143996Geist and Celeste doubleteaming Pocket and Apollo
so who's dick do i have to chop off to get this fucking toxic bullets faggotry nerfed
>>561144601She's noticeably better but it isn't a huge jump, you're at least not basically throwing picking her. Unfortunately I don't think rushing wall T3 is that good even though it's fun, especially once you have echo shard.
>>561142365Yeah. She's a m1gger pretending to be a spirit hero though so you have to aim while schmooving.
>>561134921that bebop is the only reason you lived past a third of that clip
>>561129850>yamato downplayersyou get unstoppable for free fuck yourself
>>561144598Nu-Geist looks like she gives a mean vacuum blowjob.
>>561143638100% not honest, you are supposed to just stack % hp bleed, his bleed stack with toxic
... wait, people LIKE Mina?
>>561134247she's ROCK hard
>>561144192How many bells can you stack now? Imagine trying to take midboss and there is unremovable bells waiting to bust
>>561144817>bullet lifesteals obviously trollingIt's actually a component for Leech, and if you also get Spirit Lifesteal they both countOr he could have been going for both Leech and Infuser, not unreasonable on SevenCultist Sacrifice is a little weird(And it boggles my mind they decided to nerf it's ability range in their sweeping changes) but it's not like Seven doesn't want ability range and weapon damage.Really none of this sounds unreasonable on Seven, the generic spirit boosting line of items is usually the last thing I get on him because other spirit items give me investment and do shit I want
Is Doorman the new pro jail hero? You basically have to heavily invest in either utility or spirit nuking and both are shit compared to what any other heroes have to offer, it feels like the door was a cool gimmick but because of that ability they have to keep everything else gutted, meanwhile toons like Celeste and Ivy still run the game with no nerfs or even buffs. Fuck Valve
>>561145245>people
>spam warden since january>now i queue warden, billy, shiv and mina
>>561134570I'm eternus 1 and losing like 75% of my games the past few days. It's just literally always some dumb nigger runs it down with his duo and they feed 15 kills in lane and then after they lose their walker at 7m they come quad stack on whatever lane I'm sitting on and leech souls so I can never possibly farm enough to counter what they've just done and now the enemy carry is double my networth and they end the game at 15m. You think I'm exaggerating? Pic related.
>>561144051it makes no sense to me because even after the initial set of buffs, while he was undoubtedly strong he still peaked at 51% wr and had no good performance in ''pro'' play either so he was clearly just annoying at best, and then they decided to double nerf and break his kneecaps in the following 2 patches while other characters that were far bigger offenders like fucking Ivy and wraith get away with a slap on the wrist. and seven ofcourse is allowed to remain a fool-proof easy win carry for yet another patch.The speed at which they nerf certain characters the moment they stop being a 40% wr throw pick compared to meta characters that have been OP for the better part of the year shows that Yoshi likes to play favorites.I just wish they'd get rid of the fountain doors and actually buff the rest of his kit.
>>561134247Is this preferred length, or depth, or length?
>>561144947They keep buffing max health on everyone so it'll always be good.Same reason why drifter's 2 is so fucking good now. Doesn't matter if everyone has 8% more max health or whatever when drifter just removes about almost 40% of it in one ability cast.
Gravesbros… I’m thinking we are so back
>>561140912it's so depressing that they took this nigger out back and shot him in the head with a permanent 30% anti heal built in just because shitters at low mmr were getting raped because they refuse to buy any.>Silencer makes him unable to press buttons, every bullet rapes his spirit damage by 25% permanently>Inhibitor rapes all his damage by 30% and 40% anti heal>Crippling Headshot applies a fucking 15 second debuff with every single headshot that rapes his resists and 35% anti heal>Healbane on persistent damage aoe was good, think ivy/geist/para etc>NAH LETS BUILD NONE OF THIS, VICTORS OP BECAUSE I HAVE NO UTILITY IN MY BUILD
>>561145573Length of their first time partner
>>561145358Easily 6. Technically about 7 without shenanigans.
>>561145672You could build all of these and Victor was still op, he should get nerfed even harder.
>>561141240No. It used to. It was hilarious on seven because you'd just run at people with power surge up and delete entire teams because it would be proccing surge on every single bullets they fired AT every single person that fired at you. All for the low low price of 1200.
>>561145672I don't get this 'he was only good at low tier!' and 'he's easily countered!' meme when we have the stats to show that at Eternus he still had a 56% winrate.
>>561145672>shitters at low MMRHe was raping up to low Eternus shut the fuck up Vicnigger.If you struggled you're just shit at the game, he's the easiest win in the roster.
>>561145672>Shitters at low MMRHe was high WR in every rank though?>Bro if you spend 9600 souls and focus him down with multiple players and a bunch of utility he dies thoughThat's what tanks do and the value they provide though, he has inherent value just by existing and basically can't be ganked, can take tons of space, and has freefarm when the game is stall heavy right now. He's probably shit / shittier now but let's not pretend it wasn't undeserved
>victor niggers whining that they can no longer tap aura and then stink entire teams to death (with 0 aim) because they didn't buy 50k worth of counter items so that they can have more debuffs than a victor can dispel with his built in multi charge magic dispel that also heals a shitload and gives MS
>>561145364>Or he could have been going for both Leech and Infuser, not unreasonable on SevenI honestly don't think he has the slots for both. Like what would you give up here?
>>561126435Honestly I think movement in deadlock would be fine if they got rid of janky "unintended" movement tech specifically shit like doing diagonal air dashes is always better, corner boosting etc.
>We need to keep Ivy untouched and buff Billy, Abrams, and Celeste, and give Wraith a slap on the wristIs Yoshi actually no joke retarded
At least now Silver can easily overpower Mina...
>>561145724
>>561146004They haven't really buffed billy though but they should
>>561145989Leave your feedback in the forum. Most of the active players are movement trannies that enjoy abusing bugs to get away from people. The more people that complain about it the better
>>561144598kys reddit tranny
>>561145813>>561145836>>561145876The nerf genuinely did not even put him at 50%He's pretty reasonably balanced now
silver was overbuffed, shes getting nerfed again next patch, mark my words
>>561145760Wrong>>561145813You can literally echo shard ivy and he just dies in a 4.2s stun window with any focus from your team. I've bad news for you. Even Eternus players don't respect him and counter build. So many L->R retards.>>561145836I don't even play Victor. I play against them at high MMR and never struggled. Shit players exist at eternus too.>>561145876I think it just puts him at a point where he's unable to seriously rely on lifesteal now
>have the most player damage in the game>have the highest kill count>loseSo like, what the fuck is the rest of my team doing in games like this? Is this not space created? Have I not created a wealth of opportunity for the rest of them to stop being retarded useless fucking fodder?
>there are unironic Victor downplayers in this very threadReally makes you think
>>561146009This should lead to vore.
>>561145909The amount of victor downplayers is hilarious. I checked the discord and they're all having a meltdown. I bet they're like 2 ranks above where they should be and will lose constantly now hahah
Heavy Bullets + Frenzy so strong on Shiv though. Stop stacking up green and purps
>>5611454690 denies in eternus?
>>561146131She's still bad and needs more buffs.
>>561146069Billy is one of the strongest heroes in the game though?
>>561146004They've been nerfing Ivy constantly since patch what the fuck are you smoking? Swear some people have derangement with that hero. She can have completely unviable spirit and gun builds, be relegated to being a worse support bitch than paige and people will still say she's OP. Then when she's actually given competitive spirit builds (guns still dead) people pretend like it's the worst thing to ever happen to the game.
If you're not playing Seven and your wr is higher than 50% you deserve to get nerfed tbqh
>>561146324any more and she'll become insta pick ban in pro which will make yoshi gut her even more, is that what you want?
>>561145909Brother they nuked his aura alreadyFunny you don't have a valid complaint because you refuse to deviate from your left to right build.
>>561146345People unironically downplay Ivy still? Were you one of the retards calling Ivy shit when she was the strongest M1 in the game?
>>561146004Tell me right now why abrams didn't deserve some emergency buffs after raping him into 48% wr
>>561146291Is it surprising? Yamato/Warden bullet velocity isn't great. They're playing into a graves which just auto aims souls. Then there's the fact they're just anally prolapsing the graves/drifter. They probably weren't on the lane to have souls even pop up half the time.
>>561146330Isn't he like 45% winrate
I have a powerplay idea for silver>egg has channeling time now>chase enemy down and drive them into a corner and transform into wolf form>start eating the egg in front of them
I can definitely feel the spirit ratio buff on 1, but maxing 3 then 1 still take priority over 2
>>561146526Shiv was shit WR at the peak of Shiv meta
>>561146489>listen bro it's okay that all these heroes nuke a third of your HP instantly on a super low CD if you don't build three sources of resist items>is that a fucking ivy doing 200 dps before resists? AIIIIYYYEEEEEE
>>561146624Yeah and billy has shit wr in the peak of billy barely being picked meta
>>561144598Ideally we need something inbetween the two, it's like they went too far in the complete oposite direction.>Eyebrows are fine>Eyes are fine if a bit too styleised>cheeks are just different from the original>lips are crushed>chin is crushedJust revert back to her old gaulo-germanic jawline, make the lips a tiny bit wider but not as wide as the old lips and have her yes just slightly more open though this might just be the frame the screenshot was taken and they could be fine.While I do think her hair is fine most people hate it so maybe just give her Jessica Rabit's hair style; still blonde of course. @hotpoo
Is the game bugged? Why sometimes i have abilities just fucking locked?
>>561146687You disingenuous nigger Ivy also has a 600 spirit nuke stun that perfectly facilitates you sitting in the kudzu for 80 years.
>>561146687>The chain CC hero with perma buffs, full map control on low CC, heals out the ass, and a good gun is bad because well... I GET BURSTED DOWN BY OTHER HEROES SOMETIMES
>>561146807That scaling literally just got nerfed by 30%. Do you even play the game?
>>561144368oh yeah the refund was always bullshit, not defending that.
>>561146892>and a good gunwill never stop laughing at you faggots. you don't even play, literally.OH MAN IVY JUST LEVELLED UP HER GUN DAMAGE JUST WENT UP BY A MASSIVE... 0.08 HPdeluded fucking retard.
>>561146687oh god it's an actual troonvy downplayer
>>561131805It used to be knockdown but now that she can parry while flying she can literally just grab counterspellyou need more than 1 knockdown and good luck getting another teammate to buy one
I am really happy about the Graves changes. It was of great dissapointment that a necromancer character really only had one viable build (gun) and the only way to summon was with her ult while the skulls died easily + her 2 being gutted. I wrote a feedback on the forums asking for them to make her more of a necromancer than a poor man's m1. It didn't get any views but I did my partmy dream was to play victor + graves and that's all I did last night with my duoThank you for reading my blog
>>561146242>Stop stacking up green and purpsNo.
>>561147042>build counterspell? I think not! I'm going to continue crying about this extremely projected stun chaining me thoughrofl you're so fucking shit
>>561132883insane wave/jungle clear, insane objective damage, when he gets unstoppable and/or refresher and ults on patron fight he basically stops the enemy team from being able to contest
>>561145914>what would you give up here?Lightning scroll, Echo shard, or Titanic magazine could all be dropped for more sustain pretty reasonably if someone wanted toYou may call me a madman but I can take or leave Rapid Recharge on Seven, it's nice on him but despite his balls having charges it never felt like a necessityAlso not related to your original question but this build never upgrades the extra spirit and I unironically consider that item kinda dogshit compared to just buying a different spirit scaling item entirely to build up investment, I only get it when I'm working towards Boundless SpiritAnd also I would prefer fleetfoot to the enduring speed line, and would want to get cooldown reduction to replace one of the 3 things I listed
don't tell graves players this but the real pro build is to focus on spirit and heroic aura and your 1
>>561139278credit where it's due, Eido's silver build is not bad. Silence Wave is an insanely good item on a lot of heroes and especially on silverhe's right about the ult charge on it btwI think with the recent changes that more of her skills increase with range, I can see her building ballistic enchantment and/or cultist now
>>561147785soul
>>561147075>my dream was to play victor + graves and that's all I did last night with my duosounds homosexual but good for you anon
why the fuck is nearly every ability in this god forsaken game some 5 billion aoe unmissable faggotry that does 999 niggerillion damage
>35% penalty to all damage>a bunch of chargesI feel so powerful completely gimping everyone
>>561128995underrated
>>561147942spiritsissies cant into aiming
>>561147942most characters have a grenade type ability as their 1, and with the item shop you can usually use 20,000 souls to turn it into a nuke.It's often not the optimal way to play the character.
>>561147258Oh extra spirit upgrades into surge of power. Rapid Recharge isn't hugely necessary but it's some fun build I came up with where you can spam balls and huge stuns. You could trade titanic for fleetfoot sure, enables slides for ammo. I just figured since I was getting surge of power anyways I could leave it. I was going T3 ball T3 surge T3 static charge (with echo shard timing). I'd actually tried this build out with surge of power and boundless both but it involved ditching lightning scroll, which I don't really care for anyways. But the Mystic Slow seemed pretty sick considering surge is just always up. I really wanted to stick with the echo shard. But dropping surge for boundless and titanic for fleetfoot could work. Then if I was dropping enduring speed I could take CDR.tl;dr titanic -> fleetfootsurge -> boundlessenduring speed -> CDRI'd probably really wanna consider infuser way earlier here though considering I'd be at only 3200 vit investment for a long ass time otherwise. I'd probably pick up a casual monster rounds first thing in lane too.
I can never tell when i procced toxic bullets, the little bubble icon above their head is too small for me to see if its full or not
>>561148131People get into this weird mindset where they assume their abilities should be their main damage source and you get people whining that wardens alchemical flask does ass damage, because they're too stupid to see the benefit of a 100% uptime halved damage and fire rate on anyone you choose
straight up not having fun with the game anymore i'll come back to it in 6 months with the new patch
>>561148320It's doing spirit damage over time. You'd see that through walls ticking away. Also pretty sure toxic bullets visibly shows a massive blood trail on the floor when it procs. Some heroes have a fucking rough time applying it ngl.
>>561148320You can tell if they start bleeding but granted that's not an easy task to do when there's a billion things happening at once
>>561148326alchemical flask is so spammable it has decent damage regardless
>>561148365new patch in 2 weeks bro, were in for another slap on the wrist of all the meta charcters, a celeste buff, and a complete change to a characters identity that no one asked for and no one at valve thought through at all (most of which will be reverted in the emergency patch 3 days later)
im so glad they buffed graves so this braindead nigger can throw out her jar of skulls and they instantly do 1k damage with barely any spirit investment!yoshi is so fucking good at balancing this game man
>>561148326I mean it's the same with people who flat out refuse to build anti heal, inhibitor, shred etc. Like they don't immediately see weapon damage or spirit power go up a massive chunk so they assume it's worthless.
>>561148568you can buy these items, or play the characters these items are a must buy against and just keep stacking damage
>>561148493>and a complete change to a characters identityI hate what they did with Ivy. I preferred what she was doing before. All she needed was like a +0.25s buff to stun duration. We got more than that and none of it was necessary. I fear they're gonna overcorrect and make her unplayable in the future.
>>561148326What if I play Lash doe, his gun is dogshit no matter how many items you buy
Will they revert the victor nerf
>>561148742revert and in the same patch buff something else in his kit, yeah
>>561148441The damage is worse than Seven's ball(Technically scales better but there's no reasonable game where a seven builds less spirit than a warden) without ticking rapidly, so it is in-fact assBut that's fine because like I said you don't use flask for damage you use it to shut someone down while you M1 them to deathThe damage is just nice for proccing on-spirit-damage effects
>>561148678I fear they're gonna overcorrect and make her unplayable in the future.
>>561148320It makes a sound when it procs.
So is the game going to get worse at it's current rate or is someone who actually knows how to balance a game going to step in?because im 99% sure the current devs are fucking braindead retards
I hate playing warden because he's such an unfun walking fridge pressing W but it's the only m1gga I'm familiar with and it's only a matter of time before some abrams or victor gets another free win because we don't have a gun character
>>561148998yesnoyeah seems like it
>>561148929I fear they're gonna overcorrect and make her unplayable in the future.
>>561148694Honestly gun lash could probably workIt wouldn't be as good as spirit lash but nothing really stops you from doing the same thing gunpollo players do and using your abilities primarily for movement while just shooting people
What if the leaked PvE mode is just having to shoot a giant monkey on top of a building before it rips mina in half
>>561149081good to know
>>561144051They want you to stop playing him until they figure out a rework.
>>561149179I've seen gun rems rape people. It has everything to do with people just being like "uh you're a support character I'm not giving you farm priority" so you'd literally never see it outside of low-mid MMR despite it unironically being good.
>>561149250How long will Holliday, Sinclair, and other neglected character mains keep up this cope?
>>561148970i cant fucking hear or see anything during a 6v6 teamfight man
mo and krill are an actual sub human character
Let's see who still standing
>>561145538>I just wish they'd get rid of the fountain doors and actually buff the rest of his kit.That's the actual problem, yes. Walkers are whatever but pulling someone all the way in mid boss into your spawn is just fucking braindead. Might as well be fountain hooking people with chen. Except that took way more skill than vacuum webbing someone into a cart door and then closing it.
>>561149370Buy counterspell
>>561149208i would simply let it rip her in half!
They should give Mina a more satisfying gun to shoot. Fuck kinda gun character is she when her gun doesn't feel good to shoot
>>561149301People forget that every character in this game has a gun and it's not like you're only allowed to build gun if you have abilities like Haze or Vyper that directly buff itAny character in the game can always just fucking shoot people, and if you entire team has enough spirit damage that the enemy is building spirit res, just fucking shooting them means another damage source they have to weigh in their builds.
Just looked up what they did to TechiesDamn, fucked up. Completely butchered their kit. That's what they're gonna do to Doornigga.
Fun fucking game Valve 18 kill streak Victor because retarded subhuman niggers Mo and Niggerpollo kept feeding i hope their mothers die the most painful drawn out colon cancer death possible.
Graves and Apollo BOTH belong to Venator btw
>>561149535shes not a gun charbut i agree, it feels sooo bad to use, i think its the weird ass weak sounding sound effect + the fact that its a 1911 wo hitscan, i hate the sound so much even tho mina is my most played char now
>>561149547The best part is you just have AP rounds and you completely invalidate bullet resistance anyways.
>>561149568Ur cursed relic vro?
>>561149568This could be alchemist or eternus. The matchmaking is fucked. Games should theoretically be way closer the higher rank you go because surely people would make less mistakes to exploit and be less susceptible to shit like smurfing etc. But there's still just straight up braindead ascendant 1 retards with 50.1% winrates being thrown into eternus 6 lobbies and getting raped.
>>561149568doorchad tried his hardest to carry this elo agent of a team
>>561134247>Paige>2-4 inchessissies go in the Cursed Chastity cage
>>561149728>DUDE JUST BUY AN ITEM AGAINST 20/0 VICTOR AND MINA LMAO JUST ONE ITEM BROYour mother tried to abort you 100 times and failed and this is the result, fucking kill yourself nigger.
>>561149852Ur spirit burn vro?
>>561149791>doorcuck sits back spamming bells off cooldown from complete safety while his team gets raped on the frontlinebut it's okay because he got 2 kills in 40 minutes.
>>561149568>0 healing on victorHuh?
>>561134247>blacks>5-7 inchestry again yt boi
>>561150059this patch is bugged as fuck, skills dont work or you cant fucking use them, damage doesnt show up, midboss wasn't taking damage for hours before they patched it
is there a setting to show who's talking in vc i cannot tell at all
>>5611499652 kills and only 2 deaths while also doing double the damage of anyone else and somehow being competitive on souls with the enemy team with a team like that? yeah that's pretty damn impressive.
I don't understand the vitality changeis overall health averaging higher or lower?
>>561149965He had the most damage on his team and the least deaths with no greensHonestly his gameplay was probably quite impressive
>>561150290ask again in 2 weeks
>>561150381surely somebody understands the change
>guy leaves 10 minutes in>match will not be scoredi'm so tired of this retarded fucking game
>>561149370WE HAVE YOU NOW
>>561150059Happens with Geist too, self-damage is counted against your healing. If you mouse over the stat you can see the totals for healing and self-damage separately.
>>561145691Rock hard rn imagining Ivy barely understanding the concept of sex before getting reamed by a 12 inch summer sausage
As a long time dota player I'm honestly shocked how many people here are such drama queens about balance in this game. A game still in alpha.Are you balance sobbers all from overwatch and lol or something?
>haze keeps slaughtering team with ult>no one buys metal skin im the only one who has bought it>at one point she killed four people with one fucking ultJUST BUY METAL SKIN PLEASE WHY CANT YOU JUST FATHOM THERE IS AN ITEM THAT MAKES YOU IMMUNE TO BULLETS FUCKING BUY IT
>>561150618>as a dota player i am accustomed to eating shitgratz i guess?
>>561150618Shut up we bitched about antimage back then too
>>561150660>>561150685Looks like I struck a nerve there lads. I'll take that as a confirmation
>>561150618>Are you balance sobbers all from overwatch and lol or something?I feel like plenty could be from Dota or League too, it hardly matters.This sort of mental illness isn't specific to any single game, it comes from being a whiny little comp player that tries to find the excuse to blame anything but themselves for failure.
>>561150618dotards are also content with eating slop and getting 1 patch per year and maybe 1 hero if they're lucky so no one cares nigger.
how a game looks when no one buys counter items and just follows a L > R build only one who bought knockdown and metal skin btw
>>561150818They existed in dota, but the concentration here is noticeably higher and more dramatic.Maybe thats just what the kids are these days
>>561150951why did u crop out the rank and the thing that shows us which player u are
>try deadlock>get called slurs non stop>feel euphoric when winning>feel like shit when getting snowballed>uninstallI just don't get the appeal. It feels like a hard drug. Is that why? That I'm wise enough to know that this game is like crack to addicts and I know better to invest my time and consequently the withdrawal? The few highs when you snowball don't seem worth it to me when other half of the time you are getting stomped after 30 minutes of you playing the game; especially where you can't just leave the moment you stop having fun.
>>561150290>>561150381All it means if that vitality investment benefits you more if you have high base HP to begin with.
>>561150951metal skin won't save you
>>561137242It's the opposite.
>>561151021Because it was irrelevant im Paradox on the enemy team and it was Arcanist how does that change literally anything?
>>561151028The highs feel higher when the lows feel lower.Most mp games that normies actually play smooths that all out to a flat line that anybody with taste or intelligence soon gets bored of.
>>561150774>Looks like I struck a nerve there lads.You literally post nonstop on twitter if you're saying this
>>561151119I like to see everything >it was Arcanistshould have stay down here with us SeekerGAWDS
>>561150818What is it with people just accepting things being shit when it comes to valve and then ignoring every single problem a game has by either coping or rewriting history. Christ I'm seeing this the most with the fags who used to play dota where eating shit was considered fine dining.
>>561150994No, it's just that dota 2 is a dead game anywhere outside of russia so you won't see it as much because there's no one out there to whine anyway.the dota 2 thread is almost 2 days old and it's not even 400 posts in. dotards are not some higher iq playerbase, anyone that's still playing dota 2 is a stockholm syndrome addicted retard that hates themselves because that's the only way you'd stay in that russian infested hellhole.
>>561151261I haven't logged in to twitter for over 5 years anon. Why would I? It's even worse than 4chan.
I bought metal skin and they cursed relic meWhat now
>>561151409curse them first
>>561151403Nigga dota2 is like 15 years old and for most of that time /d2g/ was nowhere near this buckbroken by icefrogs antics as this place has been over 2
some lanes are just impossible to win i swear like how are you suppose to win a lane with dynamo apollo exactly?
Yoshi wants to know if Silver players are happy
>>561151571you play to not feed
>>561151502Well maybe you should've been there during one of the many sniper highground metas or when the game turned into a BROOLING meta or when midas was bugged for 3 weeks straight and dropping it reset its cooldown or the many other retarded periods of dota 2. you just need to take off your rose tinted glasses.
My game was a stable 60 before Old Gods and now is at a whopping 15 to 20 FPS after one match or during hectic fights.
>>561151571Yes, but if you play with the knowledge that your lane is gonna get fucked, you can greatly minimize the damage if you play right.It's likely your team has a similarly favourable lane elsewhere and if you lose less than another enemy lane and don't let the enemy in your lane snowball on kills then you are at a net positive for your team.
>>561151773>It's likely your team has a similarly favourable lane elsewhere
>>561141274>Graves>GoodShe's the worst character in the game.Not even being facetious.People say she's OP because she's also the most annoying character in the game and it's like being obnoxious to deal with and doing psychic damage tto anyone she fights is part of her balancing.
>>561151571no one cares if you lose your tower in 2 minutesjust play safely and even if you still lose, it's better to lose with 0 deaths than try hard with 5 deaths
>>561151857
>>561141274>>561141325>>561151857graves got better but not by much, the winning play now is to focus less on gun and more on spirit and echo sharding your 1 for maximum skulls>b-but the skulls die all the enemies instakill the skulls!they don't for me lol
>>561151947True. If I know I'm getting stomped either due to a bad match up or a godlike player I just buy monster rounds, regen then do my best to clear waves.
>>561151647Of course dotards complained about various things however, the victim complex on display here since old gods new blood at least is noticeably more pathetic and dare I say, performative.
>>561152087>dare I say, performative.faggot lel
>>561152031wasn't haze like third? what the hell happened she didn't even get touched
Why can't you get Goose Egg in Brawl?
>>561152238Her ult build is disgusting for anyone that isn't the top 1% of players.
>>561152087the only performative thing in this thread is the clownyou
>>561152238>victor nerf>spirit nerf in general>squishy character health nerf
these devs will never actually nerf apollo fucking why
>>561152238She was good already and other characters got nerfed, so she goes up.
>>561152402>>victor nerf""""""""nerf"""""""
>>561152031Gotta give it roughly 6 more hours for an accurate accounting of the changes, anon.
THANK YOU for giving me a million gun items in brool as a sinclair I feel very validated
>>561152353>>561152237How many "i'm uninstalling the game" posts have you made here? Be honest
>>561152476(((Victor)))
>>561152513Not in my timezone
>>561152476Holy Seeker, Batman...Victor got fucking nuked from orbit.He currently has a 47% win rate at eternus, and a 41% win rate at eternus 6.
thanks yoshi for this based game im having a good time
>>561152705Timezone has nothing to do with it, anon. They dropped the patch 19 hours ago, and you've gotta give it an additional hour for the matches that were already started when they dropped it. You've got 6 hours of the old balance worth of matches in your dataset.
Its so obvious they want to make this game as brainless as possible anyone notice that every skillshot or anything that takes an inch of actual skill like aiming kinetic carbine or crackshot are just awful abilities meanwhile AoE/Auto target stuff are completely broken?
>>561152767ur cursed relic vro?
Shiv's knives has to be the most underwhelming ability in the game now that they changed the beetles. You just throw them and sit there like a cuck waiting for their health to slowly go down. It's not even like Infernus where you shoot at them with your passive plus toxic bullets and decimate your enemies. No, you just throw a little knife that doesn't even do impact damage and pray that the fight lasts long enough that it makes a difference.
>>561152898dude we shit on paige and celeste players like every goddamn thread
>>561152898>Its so obvious they want to make this game as brainless as possible anyoneNo, that's not even remotely obvious but it may be them realizing that their game is too complicated since a good majority of players don't know how to actually play the fucking game
>>561152964No, it feels fine. Good even
>>561151857Insane gaslighting by easy mode Gravesfags with their instantly shitting out one million exploding NPCs and a the fucking wall that grabs you even when you try to doublejump it.
>>561152440Revenge on the furries and waifufags who didn't vote for him.
>>561152767deserved for mystic shot tankbuster
>>561153113No I hate graves and I think her kit just needs to be reworked.
>>561152964Except after a few items the second you hit two knives you force someone to cower behind their guardian
Support bros our response?
>>561152767>feed apollo>he stompswowee
>Bro i fucking love playing against Graves! I wish she was op so this braindead fucking 0 skill required hero could run all over me with 0 thoughts required in their peanut fucking brains!things that nobody ever said or wantedthink it's time to put this game down until they learn to do their jobs
>>561153702no sorry apollo is a retarded character fed or not
why is there still no surrender option? who wants to play a 40 minute stomp?
>>561152991>dude we shit on paige and celeste players like every goddamn threadWho's 'we'? You mean m1gger tourists? They should go back to ow/rivals/cs btw.
>celeste buffs>abrams buffs>dynamo buffsyeah i think i'll play next patch
How common is it to use cheats for parries?
>>561154129Common but not as common as people say
>>561151621Still just a big easy and predictable target to kill.
>>561154129very uncommon. honestly haven't seen cheaters in a while, used to be really bad at some pointst. ascendant-eternus
>>561154070people who throw around tourist atp are tourists themselves. Stay in your lane
>>561154129Extremely common. Same for confirm/denies. There's usually at least one person doing it in literally every match in Oracle+.
Why all the bitching about Graves? I've faced a few ever since the patch and felt basically nothing changed in the way I faced them.>A WHOLE TWO UNDEAD CRAWL TOWARDS YOU WHEN YOU GET CAUGHT BY HER WALLGet real.
Are the servers shitting themselves for you too?t. EU
>>561154269yeah the buffs were nice but not enough to move the needle. mostly its just the split on her 3 finally working properly, feels really good.
did calico get nerfed that hard that people are going gun
>>561154253I'm a new player and played against a Silver that perfectly denied all my creeps. It felt like they either were cheating or I was placed against someone 100x higher than my rank.
copy that
>>561154315yes every day since apollo release at least one match gets unplayable at times with everyone else in the game chat also complaining about the servers
holy shit this guy carried us hard
I fucking hate bebop's gun, its impossible to hit things unless they are slowed by 90% and out of staminaI dont have this issue with other automatic guns where you track on your target
>>561154483if you're new it's likely you just played against someone who actually tried to deny for once
>Nerf Victor's LIFESTEAL not his healing, meaning the damage that made him heal that much and put him as top damage in any match he won is still there, meaning any other healing source is the same as before>Aaaaaah Victor died again you just had to buy healbane aaaah
>Ivy does almost twice my healing with nothing but t4 heal booster while I healmaxx???
games are so incredibly stompy in one way or the other there is some fuckery going onalso is paiges bookwyrm bugged or some shit? i touch it for a fraction of a second when its flying out and lose at least 300 hp when the damage log shows 10x damage instances, meanwhile viscous 15s cd "nuke" does 200 dmg with heavy investment
Jacket skin for Billy when?
>>561155009damage log is bugged
>>561154483Smurfing is also extremely common. Check the recently played with steam menu and look for account levels. It's not uncommon for there to be 4-6 level 0 accounts with under 30 matches played in every match below Oracle.Literally all of those are smurfs.The matchmaker is so absolutely fucked that it regularly puts Eternus players in Oracle/Phantom lobbies so a massive percentage of the high end players are smurfing, currently.
>>561154714what the fuck
How did Riot figure out balance and matchmaking but Valve fucking cant with multiple online games?
>>561155009the damage log is showing complete nonsense 80% of the time, just ignore it
what spirit nuker for newfag?
>>561154714well they DO call him the GOAT
>>561155104idk about balance but matchmaking riot has always had better and its not close, idk why valve can't figure it out
>>561155104>Riot>figure out balance>and matchmakingI must be out of the loop
>>561155069That's what I hate as a new player, its impossible for me to know if I'm really really bad or if the matchmaking is just really bad.Like yeah I know I don't know how to jungle properly, routes for boxes how all heroes work etc. But had one match just now where it felt like the entire team was coordinated sweats that was all in VC while ours were all bad players.
cool now i can never get silver because she got buffed fucking AIIEEEEE
>>561155192league of legends matchmaking is top notch, you basically never see people out of their depth except of course w smurfs which quickly get correctedin valve mm its always a fuckin chaos stew
>>561154483Unironically, I don't want to sound like a dick, but you're just fucking up if even a cheating Silver can consistently deny you. You have an advantage when confirming so they literally can't deny if you're ready on top of Silver's fire rate making it awkward. They probably just realized you weren't good at confirming. Try practicing it a little bit while in queue.
>>561154253>Same for confirm/deniesfor real?idk if it's ping, instability, framerate, cheats, or what... but i can unload a full magazine on an orb and the enemy still confirms/denies perfectly
>>561155104>Riot figure out balance
>>561155243Check the recently played with. I guarantee there are a number of level 0 accounts on the enemy team. You can then check their match history by going to the match recap screen, clicking the down arrow next to their name on the team tab, and clicking the view profile option. I guarantee they'll have less than 3 pages of matches.
>>561155009>>561155056>>561155117interestingly you can check the damage log when you're alive. i think if you press tab you have your character's head icon on the right side of the screen, and clicking that one seems to show the damage pretty accurately. it's the post-death log that is completely fucked
>>561143509Bitch about it sissy lol
>>561155243people even smurf in streetbrawlgame is populated by a lot of russians and these people just fucking love to cheat, but valve wont contain them in their own dedicated server
>>561154514Actual ugliest design in the game
>>561155383I hear the pop and see the hit marker but they still steal at times I think it's weird server shit unless the enemy is denying literally everything
>>561143509>lane against him>oops he has an escape a heal and a stun oh and his ult sucks you ini just love how any lane with dynamo in it you should just give up as lost
>>561155314must be why League is the number one game of people whining about their teams
>>561155383There are aimbots that exist PURELY for orbs, sbd they're exceedingly common. Very east to sus out too. Ever notice that guy who's still denying your creep orbs in the middle of a fight at 20 minutes? He's using one of the confirm/deny bots.
>>561155314This is true maybe in bronce
>>561155569MOBA niggas will always whine about their teams is part of the genredeadlock rn u genuinely have archon lvl players in eternus 6 tho
SENDING BEETLES
we don't have enough vindicta porn
>>561155646genuinely not. people just dont understand how bad archon players really are
>>561150290They simultaneously increased base health gain. Overall it's slight buff to heroes with higher health (Abrahams, Mo & Krill, Bebop) and a nerf to low health heroes (Rem, Mina etc.).
LAUNCHING SCARABS
>>561154825h-holy moly...
>greena ha has gone from 4k health at max boons+investment to 3k:(I only played two or three games on her and I get target nerfed fucking greasy lizard fuck I hate him I hate him I hate him
ENDURING STRIKE
>>561155815you climb no matter what if you just keep spamming games thats the problemits the same in league btw but its much much much slower
>>561155104>thinking riot balancing is good for even a momentyou are WHIPPED
>>561155969that's not true though
>>561155104Because matchmaking is mathematically the most complicated shit in games possible. You cannot compare a player to every other player or looking a single match would clog all the servers. It's all about proper optimization, prediction and cutting corners that still make it feel fair.
>>561156035its definitely true, mmr gains are way higher than mmr loss, its impossible to derank in deadlock, my rank literally just keeps going up even on loss streaks
>>561156126it literally doesn't work this way for the vast majority
TORNADO!!!1!1!!1!!!!!!!!!!!
>>561156270>>561156270>>561156270>>561156270
>>561156126where's that photo of the 20% WR doorman foid
The game would be infinitely easier to balance if they removed boons and boon-scaling.>BUT HOW WOULD PEOPLE GET MORE GUN DAMAGE OR SPIRIT DAMAGE OR HEALTH ORItems and jars, tranny.
>>561154269>Why all the bitching about Graves?Graves is just annoying to fight against.Doesn't matter how powerful she is.
>>561148929>>561149160Feel like this will happen to everyone that got buffed.
>>561129631just.....wall jump and take height......
