old >>561392232
the same nillers are still at it i shoulda known
grim lick status?
>>561875404More importantly, people don’t want to answer the same questions we’ve been answering for a decade now (In a solved game mind you)
>>561875742Drafted to EYERANGg no re
M&M status?
>>561876637I like it
Zoomers are rejecting mega servers. Maybe there's still hope for Classic Ploos.
The Alex hate/mockery accounts are ran by Alex himself. There is no DMCA’s taking place. He just understands how to generate controversy by taking all the videos down and writing a small (lie) post that says Alex is DMCAing the account. It’s theater and you’re the audience.Put the videos back up, Alex
You guys I found a reddit account and it sounds just like Alex! … OH MY HECKIN GOD THE ACCOUNT JUST GOT SET TO PRIVATE! ALEX IS HERE! IT WAS ALEX!
al*x we all know you are back to toilet, might as well stream it
>>561876637doa with eq legends on the horizon
Is Xayru a blizzard plant? He gets excited over the lamest shit and always tries to have an epic reaction anything WoW related. He seems super fake
>>561878056>another p2w d*ybreak serverlol
>1fp
>>561877452alex didnt know how blinds worked until a couple years ago. he is not smart enough to pull anything like that off
>>561877365They only benefit RMTers and third worlders who have a financial interest in the game. Putting everyone on the same server just means they're able to sell to a wider playerbase.Removing boosting and GDKP forces these thirdworlders into the overworld to generate items to sell for gold.Limiting the amount of layers to save on costs just means fewer thirdworlders are required to hunker down all of the lucrative farming spots and overworld spawn points.Inability to farm the overworld as a regular player means people move to instance farming/raw gold farming (Stratholme, ZF, etc.).This causes inflation as there is now more gold circulating the economy without any real sink.Blizzard could literally fix this overnight but they refuse to do so. Hell, they could fix 2 or 3 major issues with one simple change. They don't even need to touch RMTers and botters directly, just make it so they don't have any reason to continue playing but of course, that's not in the shareholder's best interests since they generate $ through their subscriptions.Anyone saying Classic+ will be good is fucking braindead.
>30 minutes in queue>get put in this shitfest
>>561879213Queues are 1min long in White man servers and regions
Honest thoughts on Tauren players?
>>561881990furries
>>561881990chads doubly so if female tauren
>>561878191Any big WoW content creator is guaranteed to be a plant
>>561881990They're either ok or extremely annoying, no inbetween
>>561881990trash players, no exceptions
>>561875217cute jaher
>>561878191>He seems super fakeall semi+ popular ecelebs are you stupid child. They're WORKING A JOB AND YOU PAY THEM
>thinking Blizzard cares about some irrelevant shitskin
Reminder that boosties are low life faggots that ruined classic and made it pay to win
>>561877365zoomers are lazy pay to win faggots that bought boosts and ruined classic. I can't tell you how many times they ruined the fucking game because they did. I'm not playing the game because of the boost. That's how much they have fucking destroyed it. THey should be lynched.
>>561888121no, those are the "i have 10 kids and 4 jobs" boomers. zoomers dont buy boosts
YUCK
>>561888283Nope.. zoomers who are like "i have to work at mcdonalds I dont have time to level" exist and buy boosts. I talk to them. Most are not over the age of 30 in this game. Or they are just lazy garbage NEETs. THis community is young, not old. They are lying. This community is young. Just a bunch of lazy entitled retail players. The retail mentality has completely taken over this game. I don't understand why they come to classic and pollute it with their cash shops and real world trading? I get that they are too lazy to ever have jobs or careers and so this translates to every bit of their lives, but they just destroy everything they touch. Why couldn't people just leave classic alone with no changes? WHy must they demand pay to win?
>>561888720>whitebased?
>>561889215NO you stupid tranny, the point is if you have children you dont belong in WoW.... go take care of your family instead of using them for stream donations.... what a fucking terrible parent. Gamer dads are the worst humans on the internet.
>>561879213these are rough but sometimes you find a little gem where you actually manage to overcome the deficit and win the bg
>>561888720i was really confused because i thought holypalaswe was gay like actually, but this is a different streamer
Boosties should be banned from the game permanently. I should buy a bunch of bots and use them to auto ban every boostie I see.
>>561889971true
Im going to buy 10 boosts just to make you retards seetheYou can thank me later when they issue another tbc because of good profits
>>561890235No you are just a cocksucker with no integrity or work ethic and you are absolute dogshit at this game. Go back to retail, classic has already been ruined forever. I hope you have an awful life.
>>561890235can you buy me a boost instead
>>561890564>t. The retard in pve greens in my bgs
>>561881990peak retards but a joy to play with
>>561881990>shaman, hunterbased>druid, hunterneutral>warrior, huntercringe
>>561891715male draenei post
RETAIL players ruined classic. If you have ever logged into retail, you don't deserve to log into classic. Classic is full of fake players who are retail players. They all buy boosts. They all buy gold. They all are the toxic parsers who ruined everything. Parsing wasn't even a thing in vanilla. Literally everyone of these players are from retail. They all are a bunch of gear score boosties.
>>561892421ive never played female or male draenei
Classic fanbase in 2019 would have never stood for player boosts. Where are they now? Why did you all let retail players destroy your game? You sat down and became lazy. Now the the insane run the asylum.
*enters thread*salute your Warlord boosties
>>561878234thats what "old school mmo players" actually want. otherwise theyd just go play p99
>>561893838fake warlord you didnt do the real grind
discord status?
>>561893838>2.7k gear scoreExplain yourself
>>561893838stick item level up your noob ass. literally means nothing in TBC.
>its another demon auchenai crypts grouplovely
>>561893838cry about getting banned from discord for forever
yo are they doing classic plus or whatever any time soon? any updates on that shit?i played the first stage of SoD and it was pretty slick but i've just been checking back every couple of months to see what's in the pipeline
>>561895958You have mental illness dude... classic plus is going to be shit boostie pay to win retail garbage
Cryboom is bybooming again
>>561896060i guess it depends on what you mentally view "classic plus" as. i imagine an OSRS model where there's active development and input from community. sod had neat ideas and i wish i had played more of it. re-re-releasing the same expansion again is retarded. i've played it already over and over and so has everyone else.
>>561896168STOP CALLING ME THAT WORD
Niller byboom wellness check
>>561896324I dont understand how people think OSRS and WoW can learn from eachother... OSRS has the same problem... they ruined the game and made it pay to win with bonds (just like wow token). They added an auction house (grand exchange) over 10 years ago and destroyed the trade and community. Runescape players, unlike wow players, actually enjoy the grind and the world. They make things efficient, but a runescape player grinds 1-60 every week while wow players cry and demand boosts. WoW is a casual game compared to runescape. It's also more mechanically difficult in many ways. Pking at the highest level is more difficult. Stakes are higher because you can actually lose your items. Games are nothing like eachother. But people get wrong about vertial and horizontal progression. Runescape is not horizontal progression, it is even more vertical than WoW. You are constantly replacing end game items with every new update. I've been playing the game since 2001 and I've never had a skill in 99 anything. WoW streamers give you all the wrong impression of what runescape is.
So are women who play this game mentally ill? I randomly met a woman who helped me through some questing and we ended up voice chatting on discord. >before I joined vc and she was doing the talking she was acting non chalant >gets humbled when she realized im not a simp >surprisingly not fat>gamer femcel but on the cute side>cries that she is too late for her to have children because she is 26 >crying that no one will impregnate her but doesn’t want kids either>doesnt even know what add ons really are >we talk until 3am >tell her i have to go to bed>she gets sad >tell her we quest tommorow >ghost me the next day Are gamer girls insane? It’s my first time meeting one but gives bpd vibes
im sure that happened lil bro
>>561896836You get what you deserve for talking to women.... I hate women in my games. I don't want to listen to them in comms. I don't' want them in my guild. I dont want them in my raid. If they claim to be women, they are probably lying anyway. If they sound like women, they are probably trannies or use voice changer in discord.
>>561897159>You get what you deserve for talking to womenThis is true but i was lonely last night and when i heard her voice on dc I instantly got insane drive to just talk to her. She also helped me with some hard quest as she was 20 levels above me.>If they sound like women, they are probably trannies or use voice changer in discord.Nah she send me a pic no way she wasn't a foid, but yeah i'm never trusting these hoes again
>>561897463You are insufferable, just kys you pathetic weakling. This is why wow players are weak boosties, you have no willpower. No testosterone. You are limp dick faggots that love to simp.
>>561897692I mog you faggot
>>561897910Bro, I was playing WoW when you were still sucking your mother's tit back in real TBC. I could kill you with my bare hands. Zoomers are weak. I challenge you to arm wrestle sometime and prove my point.
>>561896815>WoW streamersmy best friend has been playing rs since we were in middle school. 20 something years? multi 99s on a character and has tried to get me into osrs multiple times and i just can't get into it. and i've had him play 1-60 classic. so i'm not coming at it from a strictly outside looking in thing. i think you're being disingenuous if what you say about your experience is true, and that you cannot see how wow could use that model. or even PARTS of that model. the worst thing wow can do is just tread water. i think they're basically at the end of the rope with classic. warlords classic is nuts, frankly. or what, they start another parallel server and do classic to mop progression again?there would have to be a line of sustained development to keep classic going. and i hope that they keep it going. osrs proved that you can "fork" it. that's the thing i'm talking about.
>>561898079Fuck off retail faggot.... this is a classic thread... take your mop and warlords somewhere else
>>561898002Zoomers don't even know about this general retard, I was playing tbc when it came out and i also bench 2pl8 for reps and friday i did 1pl8 ohp for 8 reps. Also that bitch wanted my dick, she was saying my voice was deep and shit. > You are limp dick faggots that love to simp.I must admit that I got tempted because of nofap and no porn for 29 days but I didn't really simp, but i do regret going past my bed time for that foid
>>561898348This thread is full of zoomers... the person who calls us "nillers" is a retail zoomer. The trannies that make this thread are retail zoomers. The MoP players are retail zoomers. The boosties in TBC are retail zoomers. The game is full of gen Z.
>>561898532>The game is full of gen Z.even the foid who helped me is gen z so you have a point
>>561898532lil bro inventing adversaries in his mind
What went wrong?
>>561898996No it's literally the truth. Zoomers have no honor, no work ethic, no souls. They walk around in real life as zombies. I've had to train them on the job, they are fucking worthless. They all have just enough money though to spend on video games, particularly boosts and wow subscriptions. They live with their parents but that's what they spend their allowance on. They then call you poor if you don't buy the boosts. These are the worst players. They were young players with older siblings that played wow back in the day and whatnot. They always wanted to feel included, but never wanted to work for it. They are ruining classic wow trying to live what they never got to live because they were really young and dumb back then. I know their type. I've seen them in guilds from 2019-2022. Most these players NEVER played classic. Most of them are wrath or cata babies. Most are under the age of millennials.
>>561878191Toxic positivity - it's the mind of the retail player
>>561899264preach
Whats unc yappin now ?
>>561899151They thought they were going to compete with tbc anni kekGame flopped
>>561900763but games are not even in the same market
>>561899264you sound like a huge whiny faggot
Should I level in outland with FELGAURD? I tried destro but I'm oom after 2 mobs
>>561900867You sound like an offended zoomer with no argument, go back to your shallow achievement, boostie
>>561900860It is a wow/eq clone, how is it not in the same market man?
Alexensual won...He fucking won...
>>561901490everquest is nothing like WoW. WoW is not an old school MMO. Completely different games. WoW is a casual formula. Most WoW players hate graphics from games before it.
Lag?
>in 2019 we had a new thread every hour>in 2026 we barely have one per weekfresh is needed
>>561901534
>>561900910Drain tanking with a felchad is the absolute peak of the warlock leveling experience.
>>561901534He's 5'0", what did he win?
>>561904195its 5'3'' you virgin! ya know! these virgins! you are banned from my chat!
>>561895596banned from nightslayer cord on my alt account...bros... this is the end...
>>561904452yeah they are super cucks they banned me for telling a pally he was a shitter for trying to do kara without being uncrushable
>>561904452
>>561896324you are a fucking dumbass desuosrs is a sandbox game that's just about grinding skills to 99 that's meant to take forever, wow is a themepark game about gear grinding and naxx gear is already gamebreaking so you literally can't add anything "new" that wouldn't be just sidegrades or catch up gear and nobody would care about that crap because they can just do naxx for better gear
>>561904652
>>561904867
Only Sneedvun can save anni
>>561904025I shall respec and give it a go, thanks
>>561905054can't you just learn how to behave?
I would like wrath fresh, no jannies, no sub cost, no p2w tbqh
>>561905306there were countless retail lite pserfs just like that that the same 300 people played and quit after clearing nunaxx once
grimlic has a right to defend himself
why's alex not streaming?
>>561905691he's playing anni on the dl
>>561905765why doesn't he stream it?
>>561905873Why the fuck do you care? You people need to stop having parasocial relationships with streamers. Stop watching them. They fucking ruin every single online game they touch. If Alex wants real respect from me, he will never stream again and just be a gamer. But no, he thinks he's above gamers just like every streamer.
>>561906171why are you so defensive, alex?
>>561904840why come BT gear better than naxx gear???
why do people care about gdkp? just don't participate if you don't like it. it's not a zero sum game.
>>561906328so you want classic+ to raise the level cap to 70?we already have tbc for that
>>561906487The people who care about them can't get into groups because of them.
>>561906487It's literally pay to win because that gold is from gold sellers. Stop acting ignorant of this fact. But it's just as bad as blizzard boosts. GDKP would be okay but we all know nobody farms the gold they use to spend in them. All of it is built to accommodate wow tokens/real world trading. Same with mage boosting. It would be okay but none of those people farm the gold they use to pay for it.
>>561906487stay in era or p*nda thirdie shitskinanni is PVRE
>>561904840There's tons of gaps in gear that could be filled in between mc and naxx. Also people absolutely would do a post-naxx raid for sidegrades and meme spec loot.
In the end, why did she pot?
>>561906328Because people have 10 extra levels to compensate for the gear being better. Also resilience
>>561906790Sounds extremely gay. if I'm going to play a version of vanilla with naxx and MC in the game anyway, why not play plain old vanilla? They introduced sideways gear in vanilla, it's called tier 2.5.
>>561906605i think the level number is irrelevant. i'd want classic+ to be a thing that continues indefinitely. when i say "classic +" i'm meaning a design-style that is distinct from how modern wow is. classic+ would be a thing rebuilt from base principles. you use the core of what classic is and continue to iterate on it.if you were level 60 and could do BT and get BT gear, it's better than naxx gear so it doesn't make sense for this anon to say>>561904840>you literally can't add anything "new" that wouldn't be just sidegradesbecause you can and i gave an example of it. you couldn't imagine additional tiers of content?do you just want to do fresh original wow vanilla over and over again? i want to see what can be done with the bones of original wow. sod was a move in the right direction and i hope they do more of that. it doesn't have to be a permanent forever thing but i had more fun in sod than in another vanilla wipe.
>>561907141> why not play plain old vanilla?because this vanilla would have more stuff in it.
>>561907239you are retarded indeed, you can't get a game in the design-style of classic when there are no devs left who can make that style of game anymoresod was classic+
>>561907239But levels are not irrelevant. It's literally the scaling system of wow lol. Level 60 is overpowered in tier 3. DPS already one shot people. Healers can heal endlessly. Tanks are brick walls. You literally have to add levels to make classic+ new and fresh. It has to be a substitute expansion to TBC to work. >>561907342vanilla does not need more stuff. The whole point of classic+ is people don't like TBC and want a different expansion.
>>561907449we have multiple blueprints of what classic+ could look like which basically hit the intended design that people desire, they're just private servers like turtle or epochSoD was just not classic+, to begin with it was a season which is completely antithetical to a classic mmo so it fails from the very very start
>>561907239no you literally can't make new tiers without raising the level cap and that's why post naxx raids were cancelled.we already have tbc and we don't need another
>>561907649>troondleliteral retail lite funserver that has nothing to do with classic like design>pochielol, LMAO even
>>561906664they don't have friends? or a guild? just don't engage with it.>>561906721i guess i'm in a minority because i always play the AH. i flip shit and always have gold. but even then, i don't give a shit if you bought all your epics from getting your hand held through raids. who gives a shit? that's the fun part of the game. boosted to max level and then carried through dungeons and raids-- that's the game. you just skipped the game.but then again, if i'm a 60 paladin or whatever and you pay me to carry you through scarlet monastery or whatever, why is that a problem? why is it any different? i think you police the root problem, which is botting and gold selling. police it harder and punish buyers hard.but there's a profit incentive for blizz to have bots because they pay for subs. in an ideal world it's a solvable problem. it's the same reason we don't have in game GMs.
>>561907649None of that was what people invisioned for classic+. Classic+ discussion began by CLASSIC players in 2019/2020. We did not want to go to TBC because that was the beginning of retail and world pvp died with flying mounts. However, most of the players are TBC/Wrath/cata babies who prefer that game so nobody agreed with classic+ discussion at the time. But that's the truth of it. Classic+ was a parallel expansion that was to take us a different path than TBC completely.
>>561907559>The whole point of classic+ is people don't like TBC and want a different expansion.If you want an expansion and don't like TBC then the solution would be to ask for a fixed TBC. An expansion to vanilla that isn't TBC or WoTLK doesn't make sense, karazhan and outland were originally supposed to be post-naxx content. If you want a better TBC than ask for a better TBC, not an expansion that has a completely different outland and karazhan for no reason.
>>561907806>they don't have friends? or a guild? just don't engage with it.The people complaining about it the most are randoms that refuse to join guilds. They like the idea of being able to join an SR run whenever they see one going on in trade chat. Yes, you can do this with GDKP too but they're turbo casuals so they have neither the gold nor skill to join those kinds of raids.If GDKPs are a thing, then they always become the most common type of pug raid.
>>561875217pay rents
>>561908000You seriously lack vision
>>561907806People buying gear in raids and buying boosts make me so angry and breaks my immersion so much that I dont even want to play on the same server as them. I think that everyone who has anything end game should have to earn it. Its the only way to have the classic experience as it was. You dont have time to level? Too bad, you are a casual leveler. Dont have time to raid? Too bad you are a casual dungeon runner. What made vanilla TBC great as well as vanilla vanilla, is that people were not able to all have the best things. Only the sweats did.
>>561908140you are an useless idea guy
Can Sneedvun save Classic+ ... ?
>>561908140ok then lets add the cut content from vanilla into the game and that will be vanilla+oh wait they already did that it's called the burning crusade
>>561908000Many of us did not like TBC or Wrath. We might be a minority but that's me man. These expansions completely set in stone how world of warcraft has always been and it will never change until you break that formula. Who gives a shit about WC3 lore? Those games in retrospect were not that good. They were kind of weird from a writing perspective. WoW is just made up shit as they go along.
>>561908213>Its the only way to have the classic experience as it wasThat's not possible without making the raids so difficult that only a small percentage of the playerbase could complete them. Also a total information blackout.
sodomy was fun for like 2 weeks, classic+ would be the same (or worse)
>>561908058>If GDKPs are a thing, then they always become the most common type of pug raid.outside of communities, yes. if you're fully stacked in naxx gear, you're just raidlogging lockouts. maybe there's some other system that could be designed in so that it doesn't feel that way. but gdkp is a "solution" in that you have "reason" to do trivial content: you get gold for it.then again, i'd rather do it in progression. i'd rather struggle with my friends and progress through the content. i guess in an ideal world there would be no place for GDKP. not because it's banned but because people don't want to do it. geared raiders don't want to run them, and antisocial gear-chasers don't exist.you ought to engage in the social structures of the game. that's the "massively multiplayer" part. the game is not hard. but there are "wrong" ways to play it.
>>561908294did you think I'm a fucking blizzard programmer here in disguise or something? all of this shit is just ideas, spackerwhy do you think everything must eternally go 'up' in power, do you never consider for a moment that we could go sideways, backwards, add things in the beginning and the middle? do you think additional content should only ever be added at the end?>>561908386you're still lacking vision and have no concept of anything different than the 'correct' path because you have intense autism
>>561908547>from a writing perspective Blizzard is not gonna retcon the entire story of multiple expansions and you're retarded for believing there's any chance of that happening.
>>561908578If that's true then why do people demand boosts and buy gold? If they could not boost or buy gold, all end game would be substantially more rare. They argue it takes no skill to achieve those things, well fine. But they take effort and dedication. You take away friction with a blizstore and friction with a bot economy, and people skip that. Well now everything is inflated and meaningless because everyone has it because they didn't have to put in effort for it.
>>561908754Jagex did thoughbelt
>>561908754What do you mean? blizzard has retconned their lore with every single game release in their history. It was B tier schlock and nobody cares but maybe a few retail roleplayers. You gonna tell me that modern retail wow follows the story of warcraft games? You are lying to yourself.
>>561908852They also let men wear dresses and let you choose tranny pronouns at char creation
>>561908709>dude it's like...the vision man...The game is 23 years old. Every single inch of the world has already been explored in post-vanilla expansions. >>561908823>If that's true then why do people demand boosts and buy gold? Because it saves time you stupid nigger. You seriously think that people are literally incapable of farming gold and reaching level cap? You think that people never cleared naxx because they couldn't figure out how to hit level 60? Did you even play back then?
>>561909013is your classic toon bodytype 1 or 2?
>>561909059Yes I believe they would quit and they are incapable of farming. They are lazy. If you dont have the time, you dont belong in world of warcraft. Imagine joining a hobby which you want to put no effort or work into it and expect to compete at the top level? It's crazy and entitled players like you are why we are here with boosts and gold buying economies. Yes there were tons of people in vanilla who never got level 60 because they did not dedicate themselves to doing so.
>>561909059>Every single inch of the world has already been explored in post-vanilla expansions. that's first of all simply just not truesecondly you can go back to the parts they have 'explored' and do it differently, like azshara not becoming a goblin joke zone in cataclysm and having content that was more in tune with the spirit of the original gameyou could also just make new shit up, there's a new lair in blasted lands, because you can just make things up that stay sensible to the world's feel
>>561909236Most people who hit 60 did not even get past BWL. If you did not play back then then shut the fuck up.
>>561908706I personally wouldn't give a shit if GDKPs didn't exist if the cost of everything wasn't such a massive barrier to minmax my character. Back in 2019-2022, I used GDKPs as a means to farm gold.I didn't play anni vanilla because I knew how fucking bad it was going to be since I neither had the time nor patience to handfarm gold and I didn't want to buy gold because spending $ on a game just doesn't sit right with me.But as a player who wishes to minmax, no GDKP is a massive kick in the balls when Blizzard refuses to do anything about botters, RMTers and third worlders hogging all of the camping spots 24/7. I feel people like me have been personally fucked the hardest because there's no other way to generating gold. I don't have time to farm, I want the best enchants/gems/consumables and I won't buy gold.I can't farm because the reasons mentioned above. The best enchants/gems/consumes all cost an arm and a leg due to inflation and RMT. I won't buy gold because it's wrong, would kill my motivation to continue playing and I don't want to risk my 20 year old account.
>>561909365Why should you have the best things if you aren't willing to put in the effort for them? Distinction is what makes the game interesting.
>>561909337Because they were too lazy to form groups and raid. They didn't want to put in the effort to get good. You shut the fuck up. I played vanilla. Did you? I doubt so the way you defend boosts and act like it's trivial. Every one of your opinions was against everything classic no changes players wanted. You are the fake, not me.
>>561909458>Why should you have the best things if you aren't willing to put in the effort for them? Distinction is what makes the game interesting.Because no one is doing that. The majority of people in my guild are circumventing that "effort" by buying gold.
>>561909512>I played vanilla.no you didn't. you're probably a zoomer too.
>>561909609Because your guild members are lazy, entitled players. If they were real ones they would never buy boosts or gold. They have no integrity for a 19 year old solved version of the game. Yet they say "where did classic go"
>>561909609Which should be purged from the game
>>561872676>>561885078Thanks lads. Had half an hour there tonight and got 4.
>>561909706>neet calling other people lazy
>>561909706>>561909708Okay, so what should I do here? What can I possibly do when Blizzard refuses to make the changes necessary for players like me to have fun. They won't do anything about RMT and they won't do anything about the botters/third worlders blocking me from farming.
>>561909661I'm over 35 and I was on dethecus server. I raided Nax up until 4 horsemen before TBC. What about you?
>>561909869lol nobody who raided back then would say that the raids were easy
>>561909864You stop playing the game or play it on private servers which do a better job at banning these people even if they are dodgy themselves, no worse than Blizzard are.
>Retoilet tourists and thirdies will ruin Classic Ploos
>>561909978>Just stop playingGreat advice. Would work just as well as me telling you to stop posting in this general despite you not even playing this game anymore.
>>561909864You make a stand and quit the game, You put your money where your mouth is. But you don't. Instead you DEFEND blizzard and the gold buyers. You shame people who call out the game and want real classic. You defend the very people who ruin the game. You should be shaming guilds and players but instead you join them and encourage the behavior. ALL OF YOU signal blizzard that what they do is correct because you keep buying boosts and tokens and mounts and buying retail.
>>561909194I don't know what that means you just choose man or woman
>>561909512>Every one of your opinions was against everything classic no changes players wanted.this is just bad faith.run em concurrently. who gives a shit. if you want to do 1-60 the exact same way again, go for it. if you find that comfortable and love it, great. blizz should always have standard vanilla available. but that doesn't preclude the existence of a parallel "classic with changes" version.
what a lively thread, already 2 days worth of previous thread and it's been a few hours!
>>561896836is this real?
>>561909945I didn't say they were easy... I'm defending the fact that everyone didn't have all the shit. Having tier 3 made you a G. The biggest barrier of entry was not skill though, it was preparation and effort. It was farming pots and gold for repairs.
>>561910251@Grok
>>561910110They aren't providing you with the service that by your own admission you're wanting.You should obviously stop paying for that product until they give you what you want, and seek it out elsewhere.
>>561910139liar
>>561910078>Retoilet tourists and thirdies will ruin Classic PloosThat's the crazy thing, it doesn't even have to be like this. If they just added badges to raids and a bag that has consumes or trade materials, they'd fix a handful of issues immediately.>Bag with consumes/materials insidePeople instantly start running heroics enmasse. The price of consumes drops drastically. Tanks have a reason to do heroics again after not needing anymore gear. More people start leveling characters since it isn't a major drag to have more than one character. The list goes on.
<villains>
>>561910124>>561910336There are no other servers that are worth playing to me.
>>561910336>the people who have skin in the game should leave instead of trying to change it
>>561910192The person arguing in bad faith is you. You want the game to be better but you support garbage like boosts and buying gold. Until you fix this problem with yourself, you will never find real classic.
>>561910315>Having tier 3 made you a GBecause raids were too difficult for the average player, not because they couldn't figure out how to farm gold. Your idea is vanilla is derived from classic where the game is solved and everyone plays 100% perfectly at all times, not the actual vanilla where guilds would constantly fall apart because they would get stonewalled at certain bosses while wiping for hours every week.
>>561910507Then enjoy your pay to win circus full of assholes where every group is transactional. You want a real classic game? Don't play with these players. You are not prepared to go all the way and face the real problem.
>>561910580i don't have my tripcode on sorry.boosts are bad buying gold is bad. there should be a nochanges vanilla and also classic +.i can see no reason why not to do this. if you don't like one, play the other.
>>561910365im gonna be honest i think herbalism/mining should be either completely removed or given to everyone so all the nodes are always claimed in any future version of the game, if they aren't going to get a handle on bots, or understand that a megaserver with 8 layers cannot fuel a server economy, then there's no other way, have mats drop some other way>>561910513this isn't a democracy, blizzard aren't going to suddenly grow a backbone and start enforcing the rules, they've not been doing it for 7 years in classic, they aren't going to suddenly start now. I agree that the entire culture of the game needs a sharp fucking turn but it's very obvious that the lack of enforcement against rule breaking is basically the biggest reason that it continuesif you actually punished people for wrongdoing, people would stop.
>>561910715I play on a low pop server hardcore without a guild and I’m content. (Nek’tosh eu)
al*x status?
>>561910742You will never have a classic+ with boosts. The fact that there is a 58 boost is proof of that. They will milk the profit and there is nothing you can do about it. Stop playing blizzard wow. You probably should give up on this game altogether. The same people who voted on that survey are the people buying boosts in TBC.
>>561910937you will never NOT have classic+ with boosts**
>>561910752>if they aren't going to get a handle on bots, or understand that a megaserver with 8 layers cannot fuel a server economy, then there's no other way, have mats drop some other wayPeople refuse to understand this. I made a post on the classic+ project thing that and it was downvoted like crazy. You literally cannot compete with third worlders whose sole purpose of playing this game is to generate gold to sell. As a minmaxer, I literally cannot compete.>Required to have two crafting professions, blacksmithing and engineeringI would be forced to level an alt to have mining and herbalism.On top of that, every third world gold farmer has epic flying. So not only do I have to get epic flying on a second character, I could never raid on it because the game has literal BIS items come from having crafting professions.
We need an official statement from alex about his status.
>>561910752there are business reasons for why they do it how they do it. boosts make money. botted subs make money. enforcement costs money.on paper they would lose money by being more strict and the potential downstream benefits of enforcement are abstract and not obvious.i do actually believe that if there was a huge community push to check blizzard on this stuff, it would result in changes.however, "the community" is so disparate and decentralized, this could not manifest in reality. but, if like 90% of all players just hammered blizzard about it, somehow, i could see how that would force them into action.in theory yes in reality no
Are there good money farms in Tbc that aren't primals? Or is it primals all the way down?
>>561901631The game takes from eq and wowAre you acting retarded or ?
>>561901631fucking retard
>>561911129You can compete you just are too fucking lazy. But the issue here is not giving you a WoW token. The issue is blizzard doing their job and banning bots. But they don't even give you customer service. Now the bots use the report system to get YOU banned with auto ban AI systems. Now you the player are the victim of the bot mafia. So ask yourself, if blizzard has put you in this situation. Why the fuck are you giving blizzard your money? STOP PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. But instead they will bring out the token and you will say THANK YOU DADDY BLIZZARD and get down on your knees and then attack people who say tokens are bad. The truth is blizzard and this game is evil and you should just walk away.
>>561904373Him saying he is 5'3" means he is 5'1" on a good day
>>561911485what's wrong with you? just have a discussion.
>>561911371>>561911440You are in fact a retard. WoW is a casual game. The fact that you can just die and have no penalty and walk to your corpse and have all your stuff makes it a casual game. Everquest is full of systems that would make all of you filtered.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/darkspear-dash-wows-first-official-pride-event-coming-in-patch-12-0-5-380974https://www.wowhead.com/news/darkspear-dash-wows-first-official-pride-event-coming-in-patch-12-0-5-380974OH NO NO NO NO ON RETOILET TROONS AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>561911561No I'm speaking the truth, you just dont want to hear it. You are delusional and hopeful. And willing to give blizzard your money because you are a simp.
>>561911371wow is entirely based upon instaces and m&m is entirely based on not having any instancesThe games couldn't be more different if they tried
>>561911634i think you're too young to understand what people are talking about when they say that wow is an eq clone.
>>561911774Can't wait for classic+ from these people!
>>561911843Cope more you hopeless nerd
>>561912071Cope with what exactly?
>>561911906Go ahead and explain how WoW is an EQ clone, I'll wait. Anyone who played ANY MMO before WoW knows that no game was like WoW. WoW is a casualized version of every old school MMO.
i could imagine a classic+ which is good. and i could believe that people exist who would be able to create it.i think a lot of the issue surrounding discussion of classic+ is that people have different models in their head as to what it would be, and those conflict with each other.what would it mean to you? what is important about it? what would the future of it look like?
>>561912196Mazed rats need their fix
Hood status?
>>561912169All of the stuff you think of as "standard theme park mmo" things were just everquest. When WoW came out it wasn't "oh this is an mmo", it was "this is everquest but easier and casualized". It was a very specific type of mmo that only everquest really did.
>>561912196Classic+ is niller, but retoilet as well.I hope you understand
>>561912196>MOUNTIES, MOGGIES, CHEEVIOS, NIGGERS AND GAY PARADES>B-BUT IT HAS TO SAY CLASSIC ON THE LAUNCHER
imagine wow but items are all tradeable and when you die your items go on the floor for anyone to take and if your killed in pvp your killer gets 60 seconds to pick up your crap
>>561912558No you are a wrong. It's painfully obvious you never played everquest. You also are a retard repeating what I already said about it being casualized you stupid fucking faggot. All MMOs before wow were old school MMOs. Everquest was gay anyway and SWG was way better.
>>561912842>>561912953imagine if all of the mechanics you come to associate with mmos were not standard mmo mechanics but were instead specific to one game and games that copied that one game were considered clones of that game until clones of that game became a sub-genre that dominated the market
>>561913052Are you unable to read? I've said in every post that MMOs before wow were old school MMOs... because all the MMO mechanics today people associate with WoW. All those mechanics before WoW were different. That's why WoW killed all those games.
>>561912196First off, Blizzard needs to clearly state which version of Classic they're trying to model Classic+ for. Because Classic+ vanilla would be an entirely different game if they did Classic+ WOTLK.
alex fuck off you never played swg as a 12 year old, put the m&m streams in the bag.
the booming has been worse lately. what gives?
>>561913189Every MMO was not about grinding to max level and then doing dungeons and raids. The aggro mechanics are copied from everquest, it was not some kind of standard thing that mmos had.
>>561913397>classic+ wotlkAhahahahahaha
>>561913397>Classic+ WOTLKneat concept
>>561913529No, the agro mechanics are in every game what are you talking about? You get close to monster, monster attacks....
>>561913692>You get close to monster, monster attacks....No, the tank uses his special aggro ability to keep the monster attacking him because the rest of the group will wipe otherwise.
WOTLK is a dogshit expansion. Imagine wanting to do discount Naxx and cheevos.... death knights are fucking gay as well. I will never play wrath again and it's further proof that this game peaked in vanilla. Anyone who disagrees was a literal child when this game came out.
>>561913865>vanilla peaked in everquest, anyone who disagrees was a literal child when eq came outThis is how you sound unc, wotlk is peak wow
>>561913865The reason you like vanilla is because you remember the times when people were still sociable and nice. We're never getting that again so building off vanilla makes 0 sense when it would make literally no one happy. Vanilla doesn't have the updated systems to make classes have rotations where they hit more than 1 button and you won't get the social aspect of vanilla.
>>56191386540 man naxx sucks. you can have practically half your raid asleep at the wheel and pull it off.cheevos are fun. i like checking off the boxes and getting a title for world events, or otherwise just tracking my stats.dk is fun thematically and mechanically. spellsword is a cool archetype.video games are for children.
Classic Plus needs a pride month
>>561914153rotations are not in the spirit of Classic so they don't belong in C+
>>561914137>>561914153>>561914164found the children. Yall like wrath because you are casuals and fucking suck.
>>561914374classic is more casual than wrath
>>561914320Anyone who uses the term rotations is a retail boostie just like words such as gear score. They always give themselves away by using their meta terms.
>>561914529They are also the main audience for classic+
>>561914446You are a retard. Madseasonshow has done several hours of documentaries proving you are wrong and showing how casual TBC and Wrath are.
>>561914446Kungen disagrees with you thoughever
>>561914675>Using Flipflopseason as your basis for argumentThis is not helping your case. The dude has quit WoW more times than any other person.
>>561914675my anecdote is more relevant than your regurgitated youtuber opinion.
>>561914817Because you faggots destroyed the game with boosts and your retail mentality. Mad Season did more for classic than all of you combined. He made documentaries specifically calling you out and shaming you. That's why you dont like him.
door dasher status?
>>561914948Griftseason did anything but grift? How so
>>561915029He made videos about classic before it launched and there was no game to play. He was one of the OGs.
>name dropping literal whosNot a good look sempai
>>561914675>>561914948>farming for a few hours every week so you can speedrun through every raid in 4 hours is "hardcore"vanilla was only hardcore when nobody had any idea what the fuck they were doing so guilds would take months to progress through something like aq40
>>561915598Yet that part of the game filters you with modern computers and information and you cope and pretend it doesn't. Seems to me that Blizzard was in the right.
>>561914675if tbc is so casual, why do people bitch about having to do attunements even for alts?
>>561915851>Yet that part of the game filters youIs this some kind of schizo thing where you think i'm some namefag you know? I cleared everything in classic with my guild. It's not hard.
>>561915901Because TBC is full of lazy, entitled retail players. I've repeated this several times in this thread already. They demand boosts, they demand buying gold, they demand increased loot, they demand everything that is retail mentality. The retail mentality is asking blizzard to fix things like a liberal democrat. It's about making the game accommodate the few, like a liberal democrat. The reason why TBC is not pre-nerf. The reason why TBC has lvl 58 boosts. The reason why they took away attunements. Is because the players are entitled lazy retail players.
>>561916075you are literally a child that's younger than the game you're trying to talk about
>>561916075are these "retail players" in the room with us?
>>561915976Then why do you cope for boosts and the casualization of the game if you are able to do all that? TBC was a casualization of the game. They spit on everyone who raided naxx by resetting the game in hellfire peninsula. You take it for granted right now and accept it as the blizzard model, but it was not popular when it came out if you were a veteran. You felt like they wasted your time and let casuals begin to buy vendor epics. Casuals could buy vendor pvp gear. Casuals could raid with 10 people instead of 40. Real OGs remember how controversial all that was.
>>56191618135, how about you? I was a teenager raiding naxx. Yet most adults were unable to.
>>561916278>They spit on everyone who raided naxx Less than 1% of the playerbase. >>561916416>I was a teenager raiding naxx.You are a teenager right now. What you believe vanilla was like and what vanilla was actually like are two different things.
>>561916568No you are the literal teenager. I was 16 when I bought wow. I was 18 when I played TBC. You think you understood vanilla but you dont. You have a wrong perception, because you are faking being there.
>>561916568casual ass bitch, you were never in vanilla. You don't underwstand the reset because you were not one of those 1%ers. You were one of the NOOBS in vanilla.
>>561916729>You think you understood vanilla but you dont.lol you think the reason why people couldn't do naxx was because of consumable grinding?
>>561917034It was everything, yall were terrible. Didn't know how to farm. Didn't know how to make any money. You were unable to farm for several hours, you just wanted to raid log and you showed up with no pots. You bought the cheap enchants. Well turns out you can't do naxx without pots. They made the game easy for you to begin raiding in TBC and wrath. But you are so casual that you dont realize it. Sure retail is hard mechanically... but they made everything accessible. Accessibility was the barrier.
>>561917372wait ok so how the fuck do you think it went? if you had mana potions you cleared the raid in a night?
>>561917582No you would clear the bosses you have progressed through the previous week and keep practicing on the boss you can't beat. Patchwork for example took a week or two of just wiping until we could beat it. There were always healers and people who didn't get consumables. All the old raids were carried by players who prepared. You didn't have to have world buffs or flasks on everyone. We didn't give a shit about parsing or whatever retail mentality likes these days, but it was about having greater mana pots for every boss encounter. Trust me, people would show up to naxx raid and have no money for repairs even. They would only log in to raid. They would not farm. This is why raids got stuck. NO effort was put into it. The difference today is most your modern classic players buy that gold from gold sellers, thus the barrier is skipped because of pay to win.
is 15% shadow dmg with demon sac really worth it over shadowfury?trying to come up with a fun dungeon build and just cant justify spending so much on dud talents just to get to demon sac + not picking shadowfuryis 15% on SoC really that big of a deal?
>>561918258ok so why did it take 77 days for the best players to clear bwl? because they didn't farm enough consumables?
>unc is still going 3 hours laterimpressive
>>561918440Depends. Will the people you're playing with care? That's really the only thing that matters. If you're worried about not getting invited because you're underperforming, then yes, you need demon sac. If you're just casually doing heroics and pugging kara then it doesn't matter.
>>561918440No, as a tank, I'd much rather you have shadowfury.
>>561918465What are you asking? Less resources, bosses were not completely solved, older computers, ect... Same problem as naxx but smaller scale. People who walked into BWL and sucked and didn't work for enchants and consumables. My guild took several weeks of entire weekends just wiping on neph until we could get him.
>>561918602never underestimate a nillers ability to cry relentlessly about things normal people dont give a shit about
>>561918440improved imp + shadowfury is way better for dungeons than 15% dmg on seed (which will rip aggro even naked) and sb
the hardest part of 40 man raiding was getting 40 people on the same schedule if you can run that you can run a business
>>561919458true i dont envy raid organizers. even 25 looks like a chore
>>561904373>>561911526I thought him being short was a meme. Didn't realise he's literally dwarf tier.
>>561911634I miss the tension of old school mmorpgs like that desu. It really heightened the senses leaving a safe zone.
>>561919790I think it's only a chore in the current meta where everything has to be optimized and everyone wants to set up PUGs. If you have a tight group of 40-50 regulars in a guild, raid leader only has to show up. The problem is keeping guilds alive to replace quitters and leavers. Most guilds die because of lack of recruitment. But that's an issue with every version of the game.
Jahy status?
Pride month status?
>>561898532im 34 and call nillers niller all the time, though
>>561929431
>>561929431>more people than sw/org in classici thought no one played retoilet
>>561929431>these are the "people" buying boosts in tbc anni
>>561929431>omg dont call it trannymog
>replying to your post on cd
>>561929431>dat indirect toilet seetheholy
>>561930237>doesnt deny itkwab
>>561929431>Fags are funding Classic ploosbased
>>561929431anyone who plays retail is gay... and people think that classic+ will be any different....
>he still expects cope+ to be good when it would be made by the same people who made retail badis it autism?
>>561929431it should be for centaurs only
>>561929806Gays invade our space and ruin classic because they are insufferable
>>561929431>Another humiliation ritual for retoilets
How hilarious would it be if Blizzard straight up took all of Turtle's ideas?
>the latest cope is now to blame the results of your own terrible community on a completely different and unrelated terrible community who likely doesn't even play classic
>1fmd5
>>561931049Yet these are retail players that login every retail expansion since classic (other than maybe stay safe).
>>561930848they steal a lot of ideas from ascension so...
>>561930848what ideas? all their "custom content" is just unreleased content from vanilla. mt hyjal, stormwind vault, karazan crypt etc were all unreleased dungeons made before wow launched in 2004
>>561929712>in classicWay to let us know you dont even play the game
gray parsing furfag in full meltdown mode
>Blizzard pretty much destroyed old players nostalgia with classic releases.Blame it on the players for asking for too much and never being satisfied>I WANT ERA! *Era is a barren desert from day 1 to this day*>I WANT FRESH BUT WITH NO WORLD BUFFS *SoM releases, dies in a month*>I WANTFRESH *Wrath releases with fresh servers. empty after a month*>I WANT HARDCORE *dies at lvl 15 and watches streamers playing it now*>I WANT CLASSIC PLOOS *SoD releases, massive hype, died fast because players kept asking for new updates and changes every single month*>I WANT FRESH AGAIN *anniversary, never took off*>I WANT HC AGAIN *dies at lvl 15 and watches streamers playing it now*>I WANT FRESH AGAIN (They are here)All of this happened in 3 years
>>561932134disingenuous post, Era is thriving
>>561931847i do play it, thoughever. im playing it right now even
>>561932134These are not classic no changes players asking this. No classic players asked for any of these modes. Nobody even asked for boosts in 2021 but blizzard fucked it up anyway. Stop trying to cope and blame classic players, faggot.
>filtering images just to view them anyways
Vanilla fans are not playing on blizzard servers
>>561932707What vanilla private servers are there? I don't want to play turtle wow with a bunch of modded content. If I'm playing private I want it vanilla as fuck.
>>561932856alexcraft is in the works. trust the plan sisters
>>561932856Kronos, May 9th. Fresh. Untouched, unforgiving, and true to the spirit of Azeroth as it once was. No nigger shit. No shitskins.
>>561932707>>561933935uhmm but you need a fee to filter the thirdies
>>561935503dw the thirdies are all playing cl*ssic and selling gold
>>561935503not all brown people are bots, some just like to play. I would take a brown person over a gold buying boostie any day.
>>561933935>kronos>no thirdy nignogs
>>5619336088 debuff slots!?
Schizocraft in the works. Conversations are happening.
>>561937932progressive itemization is worth it desusend the FRESH
>>561937932>Conversations are happening.
>>561937932>world buffs>8 debuffs at launchAlso why are some people so autistic about dire maul? It doesn't make any other dungeon obsolete or allow you to skip anything. Most people weren't 60 when it came out so it's not like you're missing out on the "authentic experience".
>>561939351gold inflation
>>561939351maybe because it wasnt out on launch
>>561939470Then nerf the lasher farming.>>561939540A lot of things were different at launch that nobody gives a shit about because it makes the game worse.
>>561939351>why is thing that wasnt at launch originally isnt at launch???jesus christ nigger go buy more paid boosts retoilet faggot
>>561939603#nochangesB*TCH
So, i need nature and frost res gear (no leather pieces exist for bears), and a warlock with fire res gear, to clear sscI wont be able to pug this shit huh? Or is phase 2 nerfed to the ground
>>561939716>>561939734>honor system at launch even though it was released after dire maul>dungeons will be 5-man instead of 10-manretoilet funserver garbage. are you casuals really gonna play this?
>retail out of nowhere
>>561939990yes. i explained it all here >>561938098
>>561940093>too scared to respond directly to a postEmbarrassing.
>Arms warriors can move while casting slam on TurtleWhat the fuck.
pride month status?
>>561940141stole it from retail
>>561939825>So, i need nature and frost res gear (no leather pieces exist for bearsNo, your paladin will have frost gear. Your bear or warrior will use nature gear. Your paladin will also have fire gear for Leotheras.
>>561940093>that insta seethe replyoof
>>561940218It doesn't even reset your swing timer. What a fucking joke.
channel deletion imminent. where did it all go wrong, alex sisters?
>>561940401who even is the guy in the front
>>561940243Cant i get fire res and tank that as bear?
>>561940446some pedophile iirc
>>561940472Maybe? The reason most guilds use a paladin is because they can eventually bubble off stacks once they get too high.
>>561939990Yes beats classic
sorry, druids and paladins belong healing
>no changes!>e-except these changes
>>561941062name them
>>561941062volumes have never been more spoken
wrath made disney bloat. this caused the pixar to happening on ghibli toilet
>>561941697It was a bad expansion if you think about it. Cool for fighting arthas, that's it.
People are so fucking cowardly, bros. Apparently heroic dungeons are too hard for people and they only ever want an easy ride with the "perfect" group.
>>561940446The one man with a breeder fetish worse than alex
>>561916729>>561916416Do Nillers really?https://youtu.be/WVcGetkUynI?si=wbsQQmFd3Yp2VTZC
>>561940703How do locks remove stacks?
>>561940601Why hasn't the big brown one been cancelled for his friendship with Asmonhitlerberg yet?
>>561909820>made 80g/hour lmao.
>>561933608kangaroo pets for hunters?
Just copy Pochie
>>561958950Imagine getting so mad over dying in a game with no death penalty
>>561958950>I HAD TO RUN BACK FOR 1 MINUTE ON THIS PVP SERVER I CHOSE TO PLAY ON AAAAAAAAAAAH IM CRASHING OUTlol.
>>561958950>no xp loss>no gear loss>no naked humiliation ritual run>no pitch black night>graveyard less than 1 minute away>gps minimap pinpointing the location>ghost so no risks at all>dares to cry about itThey don't call them wowbabbies for nuthin'
hellooooo everybody
>>561961718Hi sis
lol
last day of M&M playtest
>>561945709I'm fine with meme group (obviously no "DPS" warriors or shit like this included) but they should have some ok gear and also enchanted + gemmed.If I see your gorillion gs with empty or white sockets and no enchants I immediately know you're an ultimate shitter.Thanks god wow armory exists so I can check everyone that whispers me before inviting them.
Enough of your eceleb discussion. Now it's time for you to answer my very important question about TBC.Do I want gavel or stormcaller for prot pala? The only difference is attack speed.Google is shit and guides are shit, I need professional opinion from fellow /vg/ns
>>561908547I’ve given wrath a couple tries, raided in multiple tiers. I can see why people like it, but it’s not for me.On the other hand I have given TBC three chances now and I’ve hated it every time. Once back at original release, then in 2020, and this last release. I even played in the OG beta test.Most I can do is hit level cap, by the time I hit lvl 65 I’m ready for the game to end. It’s so fucking boring.The expansion feels incredibly grindy. You are grinding so that you can grind so that you can grind. There is seemingly no end to it, you’re just constantly swapping hamster wheels. In never ending rat race with tens of thousands of other spergs.In vanilla all you really need to worry about is hitting lvl cap and snagging some prebis on your last few levels of that journey. Then you can start raiding and the game slows down. You’re chilling or completing what ever personal goals you might have or are making ends meet. Flying kills wpvp, not that it would be any good because rogue is an S+ tier class in tbc. Mages can steal spells for some retarded reason.The zones feel devoid of purpose past leveling, they are big and seemingly empty, they are soulless.I wouldn’t know what the raid scene looks like because I’ve never made it that far. I’m either too bored or too burned out by then.Worst expansion in WoW history.
>>561951147They don't, they just wear max fire resist and the fight ends before the stacks get too high or they just high roll RNG and naturally fall off due to lucky resists. The reason people stopped using warlocks is because they're threatcapped. Searing pain only does so much threat and it's not nearly enough to let your DPS go full ape mode without throttling.
>>561875217Got my epic ground training finally. How cooked am I?
Just pugged Kara as a resto druid, the shammy was sniping all my heals, is that ok? I felt quite obsolete. Then I did heroic OH and a bis boomkin was doing 600 dps. Then I did heroic mechanar and a feral was doing 550 dps. I don't even see bear tanks desu. So that settles it: druid is a big meme. Wotlk waiting room I guess
>>561968439how do you avoid sniping heals as a shaman? asking genuinely, trying to learn more about resto shaman and i dont want to be a douche.
>>561899264They're the generation that would rather watch someone play video games than play video games themselves. That is all the information you need to know to understand their intelligence, work ethic and social ability.
What did he mean by this?
>>561911440He's absolutely right you absolute retard. Wow has always been considered the most casual friendly MMORPG. That's why it became so popular, it's normie tier.
>>561911906I think your too young to have any idea about what your talking about. If you died in EQ you lost experience. Like experience that might have taken you days to get. You seriously have no frame of reference how much more punishing original MMO's were.
>>561912196The soul of Blizzard that created the classic trilogy is long dead. Anything they make for classic+ will be inferior but the majority of wow players will probably like it because the majority of wow players are tourists from retail. They already tipped their hand at how inept they were with SoD. It was absolute retail slop and the masses loved it.
>>561968567You can't. Resto shaman is the heroic class for pve in wow tbc. It does everything. I thought I could compete as a tree, but nope, it's kinda pathetic. 4 months wasted I guess. I'll just level up a warlock now
>>561913865Based.
>>561914153>We're never getting that again so building off vanilla makes 0 sense when it would make literally no one happy.Play hardcore. It's the only version of classic that is absolutely like that.
>>561914675Literally who?
>>561969798>Play hardcore. It's the only version of classic that is absolutely like that.No thanks, I don't think I will. Playing a game version where one disconnect means hundreds of hours of work gets invalidated? Fuck no. I tried hardcore in Diablo 3, never again.
>>561916075I disagree, retailers might demand some of those things. But Blizzard has created a need for boosting and buying gold by shortening the timeline. If they gave it original timeline then the demand for those services would go down. Most people aren't going to no life several characters from 0-70 in a years time.
Retail won btw
>>561970042>>561970042not him but i love hardcore.that said i don't disagree, it sucks ass sometimes. i died to a d/c at 59th and was extremely butthurt.
>>561930848It's pretty clear that's their intention. They sent a C&D to nostalrius and within a year they released their own version of Vanilla WoW.They started a lawsuit with Turtlewow you can bet your ass there will be a Classic+ announcement this Blizzcon and they will probably have it become available 1st quarter (absolutely will have early access for more $$.) This is where they will finally start separating the subscriptions so they can finally raise the price of subs to $30 a month without forcing it (because they know they'd lose a bunch of subs if they did.) Better for them to track what people are willing to pay for and which version to spend more money on.
Won what? A glaad award? About damn time
>>561970794does turtle have playable ogres?thats all i fucking want in classic+.i'm a gigantic loser.
>>561931705Wrong. Sur the zones/dungeons were part of the plan but there was literally nothing Blizzard had made for it. I personally made it to Mt. Hyjal during Vanilla's first run thanks to a dude showing me how you could wall climb into it. There wasn't a whole lot to look at besides the zone's features and there certainly wasn't an unfinished dungeon. I still remember their being roadblock signs placed around several areas you walked around (as in under construction.) Little stuff like that made me realize how fun it must have been to work for that place. Even when no one was supposed to see it they put stuff down for flair for the other developers.
Is there any expectation of knowing what I'm doing tanking the dragon flight dungeons at low level?
>>561945709It's because players today have mythic + mentality. They have to be fast and perfect or else they can't level up. They don't understand it's about forming a group to beat something hard for the sake of overcoming hardship and of course to get good loot. I ran a group last night on plain settings for Sethekk halls and we wiped like 4 times. Only one person left and by the time the instance was over I had a hard time leaving group because I bonded with them all. We joked, we learned new things and had a good time despite losing several times. Deciding to stay together to get it done is the kind of stuff I play the game for.
>>561893838>3-9 in arenaTrue AV high cucklord indeed
>>561971648>making friendsLOL
>>561970942Absolute Chad mentality. Ogres should have been a playable race since Vanilla and I was extremely sad when I saw they didn't have them and I can't believe that even now (even after WoD which would have been the perfect time to add them) they still don't have these dudes as a playable race. I want a Lock Ogre so fucking bad bro. I've never played turtle WoW so I'm not sure but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
>>561972031I always thought implementing a gimmick for ogres specifically would be cool. Like having two heads would allow you to cast a spell with one head then have the other head change the spell while you're mid cast.For example, left head casts frostbolt, you then have 2 secs to cast something with the right head, either making it hit harder for single target or splitting the frostbolt so it becomes a cleave.It was interesting but then I realized Blizzard would never want to do something like that again after horde shamans and vanilla paladins.
>>561972550Would be cool for race specialty and could see it as something added during Vanilla's time but they wouldn't do something like that now. I loved playing Cho'Gall in HoTs was fitting gameplay.
>>561970042I only play when I want to level. I don't really care about hitting 60, that's just a bonus. I play to take in the vibes from the player base because they are immaculate. No bigger rush than running an instance and there's an O SHIT pull. The feeling you get when someone dies in your group, It's a crazy feeling you don't get playing anything else.
>Durn el Hambrierto
>horde only LGBTBBQ+ event called darkspear dashRetoilet really trying to win the GLAAD and gayming awards this year huh. Classic won as usual
I quit classic 2024 december. Should I start again? Is it over? Posting quick OC at the same time.
retail wonalexensual won
>>561911526he is 6'3''
>>561911526>lets see how much this 5'3 is in VVhite man's measurements>160cmAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAA
>>561875217If they end up doing Classic+ (probably going to be announced formally this Blizzcon), the great debate is really going to be focused on class changes. What does /wcg/ think of this? Should Warriors and Rogues maybe be nerfed a bit? Should Paladins get Crusader Strike? The biggest problem from 2019 Classic was that basically everyone rolled either a warrior, rogue, or a priest. Those 3 classes were the only ones people played and I feel like that's not very fun. I want to see some Warlocks or Shamans running around.
>>561978932I want vanilla with tbc class design and talents, also with 71 points. There, game is balanced and fun, all classes are useful
>>561978932They're going to use WOTLK as a base, there's no question about it so this won't even be an issue.
>>561978932just use tbc as a template and go from there like pochie didvanilla is too unbalanced to salvage and wotlk is just retail lite
>>561980091Here's the problem with TBC as a base. The classes in TBC are "viable" and all they really require is number tuning. For example, to make an elemental shaman worth bringing all expansion all they would have to do is make totem of wrath raid wide so that it now provides 3% spellhit and crit to the entire raid. The real problem is how fucking unfun most casters are in TBC. No one wants to play Classic+ where a warlock spams seed or shadowbolt. No one wants to play boomkin where you only press starfire, or mage where you only press arcane blast.WOTLK as a base fixes all this and it cuts out 99% of the work of having to re-balance classes. All that would be left is number tuning.
seems like you just want to play retoilet, it's right there, go and play it
It's too late to level up a warlock now, right?
I've started noticing that zoomers call people "gamers" when they actually know how to play their class.Oh shit, we pulled too much, we survive, "you guys are gamers".
things that need to happen before a true classic plus can be accomplishedbringing the world back into warcraftbringing the monsters back into memoriesbringing the sensual back into alexbringing the fashy back into freshy
>>561984906plus gay centaurs
>>561985042blud thinks about gay npcs in retoilet more than actual retoilet players
>>561980580they should just take pieces from when each class was the "most fun" to play. like hot streak mage is probably the best design for firemage, full stop. that ought to be the version in classic.
>>561986461Instant pyroblasts isn't classic according to several retards in this thread.
>>561986551i don't care if it's classic or not. it's fun and thematically interesting. not everything from future wow = bad and not everything from classic wow = good.
Ret pally dungeon grind is so fucking cancerous.>you're ret, so no one wants you anyway>unlike most other sets, pally dungeon set only drops in heroic>so your gear sucks and your class sucks>other paladins ruin it for everyone else by leaving dungeons early when they dont get what they want, so now everyone hates you for no reason>only 1 ret in raids because lol pallies suck
>>561987173>unlike most other sets, pally dungeon set only drops in heroicWhich set?
>>561987292Doomplate
>>561987350As a ret? Why would you even want that garbage? The majority of your pre raid pieces come from quests and the other half is crafted.
>>561987502Tell me why its garbage.
>>561981002If you no-life you could probably get one to max by end of April. Relaxed, probably end of May. From there you still have about six months before the xpac is done.
>>561987624Because you can literally craft something in a fraction of the time that's equal to or greater than the DPS gain from using Doomplate.
>>561987754Like what
>>561987829https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/guide/classes/paladin/retribution/dps-bis-gear-pve-pre-raid
>>561987894Collective autism ruined this game. I'm not wearing leather. Some of the other stuff I can make. Lionheart + Crusader + Doomplate + Trinket is 740 AP. What is bad about that?
>>561988729>I'm not wearing leather.Stay retarded then, even after I gave you the answers. You're literally part of the reason why people don't want to invite ret paladins to anything.
>>561988729>I'm not wearing leatherim sure youll change your mind when the ssc leather belt drops
>>561988832>autistic faggot gets made I won't play the way he wants me to>somehow I'm the problem
>>561988729the game is really easy, it's not worth losing sleep over bullshit like that. i mean honestly you could probably jump into raids the second you ding 70 in quest greens.
>>561988929I've done pretty well in greens. I'm mostly in dungeon blues now. I don't really want to raid though, cause they'll make me do shit I don't want to do in a game thats supposed to be fun, like tell me what fucking gear im supposed to wear, and what addons I am forced to use. Game is so fucking ez and every person I meet is an absolute dogshit whiner about the most mundane things.
>>561989116>cause they'll make me do shit I don't want to do in a game thats supposed to be fun, like tell me what fucking gear im supposed to wear, and what addons I am forced to use>every person I meet is an absolute dogshit whiner about the most mundane things.If this is bait, well done.
>>561989218>you can't do anything you want to do, only I can tell you what to do
>>561989116nah just join a guild. i take it a bit more seriously than that but there are plenty of 30's and 40's self-labeled "dad guilds" where they really don't. expect to wipe on easy encounters but if you don't want to take it seriously, other people also are not going to take it seriously.
>>561989327You're the moron complaining about not getting invited to groups lol. You can do whatever you want, just don't expect people to bend over backwards for some low brow mongoloid that can't read a simple chart to figure out what's best.
>>561989476That isn't my problem, kiddo.
>>561989393One day maybe. Finding people that want to play like I play is hard though cause most people sweat and get angry at the dumbest shit. I finished a heroic Bot group the other day, no deaths, tank mentioned something about practicing seal twisting, I said I don't use addons, everyone in the party immediately started crying about it like it was a huge problem. "This is why never ret". Fucking insane.
id rather be his cryboomer than your retoilet
>>561980580tons of people do play casters in tbc thougheverrotations are inherently not classic
>>561990078Shadow priest exists in TBC, just like how warrior exists in vanilla. Some specs are just outliers that do have rotations.
>>561990046>Finding people that want to play like I play is hard though cause most people sweat and get angry at the dumbest shit.i think you'd be surprised. take chances on it. a lot of people are more accommodating than you'd expect and they tend to congregate with similar minded people. if nothing else, it's nice to have people you can chat shit with while logged in, or who can help you put a dungeon group together or craft some shit for you. the social aspect of the game is probably the best part.
>>561990661He comes off as a spastic retard so it's no wonder he doesn't have a guild or a group of friends willing to put up with his bullshit. He's the type of retard that tries to play ret in vanilla and wonders why everyone hates his guts.
>>561991058and since dual spec exists there's literally no reason not to just tank for your shitty dps gear
>>561991058i'd say that most of the people playing a re-rerelease of a game from nearly 20 years ago are probably spastic autistic retards
>>561991058Lol you are such a raging faggot over nothing.
>2016>He is still playing wow classic with changes as an obese acne ridden low testosterone male
>>561992572most people aren't obese and acne ridden anon. Why are you in this thread if youre not playing classic?
>>561875217My God is the God of DreamsSomeone here is being called to repentWe must purify ourselves before God's son for his holy blood is the key to our salvationCast off the shackles that Blizzard has laid upon you in the form of World of Warcraft and be set freeGet away from the internet as much as possible for it only drags us down into the depths of temptation and sinIf you fail, keep tryingI love you allGod Bless You
>>561995557post a video of you going to Church
>>561990213STOP SAYING ROTATIONS. It's the gayest fucking term that has ever come out of retail player mouths.
>>561970187Of course you disagree you are a lazy piece of shit boostie. I spent the entirety of yesterday outlining why players like you are the worst. Go back to toilet, bitch. Go buy another boostie you fucking paypig goyim. Swipe that card you fucking pig.
classic plus needs a pride month event
>>561994738>most people aren't obeseMos people don't play worlo, fattie.
>>561996993For horde only ofcourse, like retoilet. Alliance chads and stacies frown upon such crap
I called boosties so many names in hellfire peninsula that now my account is silenced
>>561996551It's funny because rotations is a vanllla-wrath term. Once Cata launched, rotations were killed and every class got a priority system.
>>561998158That's why wrath is retail
I'm bored, I wanted to play more
>>561998476If rotation is a vanilla-wrath term then wrath is classic and retail doesn't really start until cata.
>put shadow bolt to 10 different keys>push them in orderthere, you now have a rotation
>>561999037>make addon that randomly makes one of the buttons glowthere, you now also a have a priority system
Wotlk is the best classic expansion.
>>561999342>retail lite>classic
>>561999342wotlk is the last time the game is fun
Vanilla was the only time they had a vision for the game, everything else is blizzard doing whatever players tell them to do.
>>561999342The class balance and talents were perfect, but northrend sucks, I don't want to play snow levels forever
>>561999342Only thematic-wise and the fact that is has 10 man raiding. Otherwise, no.
>>562000237yep flying toilets were a mistake, as was abandoning azeroth content to rot
>>561996969I've been playing WoW since 2005 and chances are, I'm much older than you. I have a level 68 priest I level from fresh and a huntard at level 17. I don't do boosts. I do however, have a working brain and understand why boosts are in demand and how Blizzard has engineered a fake need for boosts, gold and time. Go outside and touch grass child. You might learn to think critically rather than rage at people who agree with your sentiment but not with your theory. Most people didn't want boost to be a thing until Blizzard practically forced it for more money, this is a fact.
>>562001024did you copy this from reddit, formatting and all? pretty good ragebait i guess but a bit too obvious
>>562001098>ermmm...reddit o algoconcession accepted
>>562000653The talents were so perfect and bloated that they shaved off 80% of the perfect talents the next expac
>>562001024Bullshit, you are a lying sniveling boostie. You are a lazy unemployed millennial at that. Also you are probably fat as fuck. You are unable to admit any fault of blizzard or wow classic with every change. YOU are the reason why classic has died a thousand deaths. And your wow paypig programming kicks in anytime someone argues against it. You defend the same company that you act like you are above. You are the reason we have the WoW we have today.
Whats the price of enchants atm
>>562001851everything
I played warmane too long to enjoy wotlk again It's C+ or nothing for me now
>>562001851Cost me 300 gold to enchant 7 to all resists on my resist cloakWho the fuck came up with this recipe, i would like to know
>>562002423why is the icon a naked loli?
>>562002482its actually a 9yo boy
I need some help with cliqueIsnt this suppose to be healing the friendly target? It keeps casting on me instead. The friendly target obviously works.
Only 1 bonus primal might in 8 days of transmuting. What a load of shit.
>>562001662Achievements weren't a thing until a while into playing but here is my main from 2004: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/wargrin/achievements/legacy/player-vs-player.I am a millennial that's true. Also fat as fuck. I work a 40 hour a week job in an office and I own a house with my wife. I don't defend the company? As a matter of fact I'm saying their shitty money grubbing mentality is why classic is getting retail-afied not the other way around. I don't think it's the players nearly as much as I think it's their shitty choice of money over players.
>>561875217Ok I'm getting the itch again, what should I play? Midnight? Classic? Twow?I like tanking, and would like to eventually be a MT, as I was a MT all through out WotLK and it was the most fun for me.
>>562003295just hire an indian to play for you at that point
>>562003602great tipbtw it happens with a macro, too
>>562003769NTA, but on retail you can play using only 1 button now apparently.
>>562003458>>562001662Probably the best way to prove it on my account is the netherwelp, it's from TBC collectors edition.
>>562003295retoilet is waiting for yout
>>562003917>>562004080hey faggots, it's not working on retail either
>>562003295>male drannyVOLVMES
>>562003565classic unless youre trans then the other 2 are equally good
>>562000653>northrend suckshttps://youtu.be/85JLNFc4eT4?si=4IQWHDJPef-89j3ohow can you say it sucks when the music and areas are kino like this. pvre vrill.
>>562002164>7 to all resistsHAHAHAHA what a useless enchant, for both pve and pvp there are much better enchants. what a moron.
>>562005597pure r*ddit more like
i hate wotlk because every boss has annoying rp and makes you stand there doing nothing for 100 years
Reminder to just post this anytime someone tries to dispute the classic trilogy.
>>561995669Matthew 16:4
>>562006423no... this isnt possible kung fu panda is the best version of the game. EVER.
>>562006423>>562006637cata ruined the hype for mop and I will die on that hillfucking dogshit expansion
>>562006725You died for nothing furfag, everyone can see that the kung fu panda has no clothes
>>562003458>>562004058I don't even have to click on the link, the fact that you tried this hard to prove to me I believe you lol
Make sure you buy your wowTM cast iron skillet...
>>562005597There's nothing to remember about Northrend. I can remember all the zones from vanilla and TBC. But I can never picture in my mind Northrend zones. Why is that? Dalaran is the only thing and it's in an empty useless zone. Other than that you have repackaged raids from vanilla. You have a boring raid with dwarf tanks. Then you have ice crown and most of Arthas' henchmen are bugs. I never even like Arthas as a deathknight in Warcraft 3. He went from cool paladin in that game to cringelord with a bunch of bugs in his army. BORING. Deathknight is a shit class. It's just a warlock in plate. Prove me wrong.
>>562007987Yeah I'm not reading all that, have a (You).
>>562008165>t. wrath baby
>>562007825i bet the food prepared on that makes even the frogs gay
What's with the three letter names so many people have?
>>562007825sweet I can have demonic runes cast cancer on my scrambled eggs
>>562008526im not sure why people would name a wow character like that but when i was a teen i wanted to change my online identity but didnt want to come up with a new name so i just removed all the vowels
>>562006441I'm a Christian church-goer but i'm struggling with wow. i need to quit
>>562007987ICC always felt like a disappointment. It's 2 hallways, then you go outside to go on a fucking ship for some reason, then you go back inside and it's a smaller naxx. Boring.
only naxx and ulduar were any good, might aswell quit after ulduar hard modes are cleared
>>562009707wotlk naxx is stinky
>>562009564Also in warcraft 3 northrend looked really small and the lich king was in a cave or something. Then when Arthas becomes the king it blows the top of the mountain off or something? The thing is northrend in WC3 looks nothing like WoW version.
>>562010336the easy launch raid is a tradition I like, mc is fun after hitting 60 and so is kara after hitting 70. naxx is likewise a good raid for it since there's a lot of bosses, but if you're sick of it from 'nilla then yeah I guess I can see that too
>>562010503all of the continents they added to the game are really supposed to be 2 zone islands
>>562010570yeah thats true nobody was supposed to remember or even know about naxx when they re-released it
The problem with WoW after blackwing lair and another reason why I think BWL is peak content is the simple fact that everything stops being high fantasy. AQ, Naxx, and TBC are all weird. Game is always weird after BWL. Even Illidan and Arthas were weird. Warcraft 3 was weird. Just pause and think how convoluted the story is then compare it with real literature like LOTR.
>>562013029its because it went to kalimdor
>>562013029you think it's peak because it's the last raid where you don't need to do mechanics
>>562013029what about everything other than the raids you retard?
>>562016008there are tons of mechanics in BWL but I don't play this game to be dark souls... I play it to be an RPG. Nobody likes sweaty mechanics. That's for retoilets.
>>562013029If you're playing WOW and think WC3 is weird, you shouldn't have been playing WOW at all. The whole game series at least up until Cata, arguably up until Legion, is based almost entirely off of Warcraft 3.
>>562017852And warcraft 3 is a weird game... and nobody plays wow for the lore unless you play retail or something. Blizzard never made another RTS. WC3 is shit. That's why games like Age of Empires are better RTS.
>>562017797you can only ignore the mechanics because people can brute force them nowadays. you couldn't ignore them back in the day
>>562017797they cant understand that because they dont know what an rpg is they only know discord+leaderboards
>>562007987Oh fuck off, this is just you playing like 50 characters in Vanilla and dungeon grinding through WOTLK once back when it was new. WOTLK and TBC are completely memorable, especially WOTLK. Vanilla has some shit zones, forgettable even. Stone Talon, Thousand Needles, Azhara, Searing Gorge, and a few that suck but are slightly memorable like Desolace, Blasted Lands, or Swamp of Sorrows. Tanaris also, which some people like to glaze for some reason. Absolutely none of those zones holds a candle to any WOTLK zone, minus maybe crystalsong forest/dalaran. You really have to compare like Loch Modan to like Borean Tundra to make such a ridiculous claim.
>>562018604Why do you space your posts like that? are you a downie or something? Atleast stop pressing enter before you even start replying to a person holy shit>>562018806Grifting for another game
>>562017797>AQ40 and Naxx have sweaty mechanicsLmao, the shit nillers say.
>>562018056> And warcraft 3 is a weird game... and nobody plays wow for the lorePeople used to, until the game got popular and people who had no understanding of the lore began populating it. That's why Cata is basically a nonsensical reskin of Vanilla with modern mechanics. It wasn't made for Warcraft Fans in mind, just WOW fans. > Blizzard never made another RTS.Starcraft 2, which is way more fun than Age of Empires. > WC3 is shit.What a bizarre statement, WC3 is an okay game and a good game for world building. I think WC2 is better as an RTS fan, but if you're into RPG-light then WC3 is serviceable. > That's why games like Age of Empires are better RTS.lol get out of here. If Age of Empires is so great then how come there hasn't been a new age of empires? Just re-releasing AoE 2 for the same handful of nerds for the last 20 years. Their AoE 1 is full of multiplayer bugs, and they closed down online servers for AoE3. The RTS genre is dead outside of WC3/SC1/2/AoE2 and arguably C&C RA2. All old games, all with Blizzard leading the pack.
aq40 is simply not fun and ugly also the gear is ugly
>>562019937>the first raid you can't afk through>wtf this sucks
>>562019408You realize that there are probably more people playing AoE2 than all blizzard RTS combined right?
>>562002106Same a sadly blizzard classic+ will still just be a worse version of warmane
>>562021320you cant afk in any raid... even molten core you can die if you don't pay attention and baron always results in deaths no matter how easy people say it is
>>562021490>taking that statement literallyi think you might actually be autistic
>>562021585well then why do people say stupid shit all the time as if to feel superior about playing harder raids? As if anyone gives a shit?
>>562021729Some people don't like it when a game is too easy.
>>562021798then go play retail or mop
>>562021320idk i think if you start falling asleep during trash the raid might suck
>>562021873people want it to be as hard as it was when it was new
>>562022000if you make it 8 raid debuff slots and take away the patches that were not in vanilla upon release that changed talents then it's exactly how it was in vanilla. Not that it will be hard for you now but that's how it was and that's how I like it. Simple as.
>>562022235it wouldn't be hard because people are better at the game then they were back then.
>>562022405Don't care, go play something else
>>562022534why do you want the game to be easy?
>>562021320well every classic raid is ez so unless you want to tell me aq is so hard its fun we can look at the rest of the raid and judge thatand guess what? it sucks
>nobody i know wants to touch arena this time>guildies only do the monday 5v5 shittbc is a big stinker when it comes to pvp
>>562021361Cope
>>562022803classic rated pvp has been a cancerous shitshow since the first tbc rerun, this is why people asking for rated pvp in classic+ are braindead retards
>>562022803>>562027051tbc is extra shitty bcuz there is so much rng and it takes 20mins to finish a 2v2
I just can't fathom why the TBCCA is so popular. I don't understand. I mean, there has to be some kind of a mistake! None in my friends list play it anymore and the ex-guilds I've been occassionally stalking it at the discord are not raiding or only got 5 sign-ups and called it quits. And this thread is as slow as ever. But it's all anecdotal of course.Ok I admit it, I wanted it to do poorly but the number of raiders just keeps increasing. I mean, it doesn't affect me personally and I really shouldn't care anyway since that's cringe loser shit but I really wanted to gloat.
>>562030587sorry but pandas just werent that great
>>562016008volumes
>>562024618>AI overview>>562022557Because WoW is not a game for skill in any way. You want PvP? Play DOTA or LOL. You want boss mechanics? Play POE or Diablo or some shit. Neither require the backdrop of an open world.
when will wow get a loli race like all the other eastern mmos
>>562030587Most people on my friends from the first years of classic have not even logged into their blizzard accounts in months or years. It's mostly retail players I think.
>>562035701we have vulpera
>>562035613>the way the game used to be? that never happenedraids like naxx used to be considered extremely difficult
when does druid get fun?
>>562039991it doesn't
Fuck whoever decided to put water elementals in water. I fucking hate having to swim to hit these fucks while farming primal water.
>>561984906trvth nvke
What they need to do is ban third worlders from using the game as a means to earn a living.
I have an idea... how about Blizzard fire all it's people, especially the women and start over. They them make a new MMORPG and get that Metzen guy to draw the art because that's apparently all he's good for. How about they innovate make the new best MMORPG?
>pre nerf heroics but post nerf raids>heroic dungeons are hitting harder than the raids >this TBC life span will be even shorter than the original TBC length>consumable costs are even higher than they were at the end of the last run of TBCMy favorite expansion I have no actual will to play again because its turned into seasonal garbage. If I don't turbo speed run or fucking boost, by the time I get to max level we'll be at Sunwell and people will be posting about WOTLK waiting room.
>>562045047bro you can hit 60 in no time with the nerfs to xp needed from the tbc prepatch and 60-70 will take you probably a weeks worth of playtime
>>562044748Bro .... Metzen just approved the gay pride month on retoilet ... He's just not the same guy anymore...
>>562044748project TITAN.....
>>562045235Which is why he shouldn't be in charge of anything but drawing assignments >>562045352anything made by this company will be trash with their current employees
>>562044748Ex Blizzar employees just revealed their game and it looks like copy pasted open world crafting slop
we need to bring the world back into world of warcraft
>>562047892is this real?
>>562047892i wish i lived in a cuckshed tbqh instead i have to share a house with my retarded sisters
>>562045624Then why is it that any project by ex bl*zzard has beens always ends up as a total failure?Almost as if bl*zzard was never good but the 13 years old (You) was an easily impressed child with low standards.
>>562048443>NOOOOOO WILDSTAR WAS LE HECKING GOOD I SWEAR
>>562047892Shed idea is based but being this much of a cuck pushover in your own home ain't, the fuck is wrong with modern men
>>562047892Kek bet the kid is a mutt
>>562049162Step child is for sure
>>561878436>Blizzard could literally fix this overnight but they refuse to do so. Hell, they could fix 2 or 3 major issues with one simple change.I'm sorry I think I'm retarded. What is the change they need to implement to fix this?
The toilet crusade flopped and bigly at that, should we drop these nonsense seasonal servers with giga nerfed content already or what?
alex status?
>>5620515525'0 and back on the grind
>>562051625surely he'd realize by now that gains won't get manlets pussy?
>>562051760Not everyone cares how tall you are, but the funny thing is those people won't care how fit you are either unless you're obese, so just stream for us alex
Jahy should start streaming
I'd simp
wrath when?
wr*th is still playable on the retoilet
>>562044078Get some water breathing pots?
>>562005962B-but the streamurs hyped me for p2 res gear...
hardcore launch was peak 2bh...
>>562048443Stop bullshitting, you don't need 60 year old boomers to make a game. Do you actually think the trannies working at blizzard are worth a damn. They are all DEI hires at blizzard.
>>561996551nobody else than you thinks it means anything else than "what to press next to do most damage", not "circular repeating pattern of buttons to fall asleep to" (despite most of the classic era specs being literally that)
>>562056821Okay retard, tell me where the competent people can be found then. Hint: they don't fucking exists or they are making real games instead of mnos.
>just bring back Metzen "calling it warcraft was a meanie poopoohead thing to do"
How do I get away from warriors as ele sham once they've charged and hamstrunged? Or is just impossible until wotlk when you get hex and roots
>>562064673Frost shock/earthbind totem + wolf form + run around pillar hugging it
>>562044748How about you pipe down and keep supporting World of LGBTcraft, cucky.
WELLTHE YEARS KEEP COMING AND THEY DON’T STOP COMING
Everything in TBC is too damn expensive
No its not
Yes it is
The economy is fucked because of gold buyers so you might aswell buy gold too. Can't even gather herbs or ore because of bots. It's either endlessly farm elementals for shit gold like a 3rd worlder or buy gold.
JUST BUY MY GOLD OK !?!?!?
>SEVEN versions of WoW>none of them are goodHow did we reach this point?>Retail (shit)>Vanilla (dead/shit)>Cata Classic (soon to be WoD Classic (dead/shit))>SoD (literally dead)>Hardcore Classic (shit after you've done it once)>Anniversary realms (shit/toxic/botted)>Remixes (currently inactive, to return with Shadowlands Remix (lol) soon)
>>562067737>>562069438Oil, 2x elixir and food cost like 30-40 gold to raid, is literally 2 dailies. You don't need to enchant every piece and have every epic gem, raids are easy. People are completely insane man
>>562070484you forgot that sod is shit too
>>562070946It's too dead to even engage with and tell one way or the other, but yes
>>561968439Restoration druid needs consistent large amounts of incoming raid damage for its heal over times to do more than get a few ticks here and there.Its strengths are also that the raid doesn't need to be stacked in order for the HoTs to get the maximum potential, which doesn't matter in 10 mans because there is plenty of room for the raid to be much more condensed.Having played wotlk, cataclysm and now mop the "problem" of the low incoming raid damage is multiplied by the fact that there are discipline priests (wotlk, cata, mop) and prot paladins (mop) who simply absorb all the low raid damage there is leaving the restoration druid with nothing to heal.I cannot comment on how the healing works in Warlords of Draenor just yet, it is my understanding that the discipline priest still has a lesser way to put in more absorbs, healers won't be topping the raiders with one spell allowing your HoTs to consinstently tick and there will be more raid damage.When this does get fixed I believe is in legion where discipline changes to a sort of atonement based "ramp-up" healer and the raid encounters are some of the hardest this game has ever seen.
>>562070939You're right, but gem prices etc are still silly. Nearly 400g for 3 blue level healing gems.
>>561892421male draenei have terrible racials so my only conclusion to this is that you got raped in the game
I didn't understand why people would buy the chang gold, but after TBC anniversary?Yeah, I can understand why people want to spend as little time as possible dealing with these people getting gear.You're still in Bobby Kotick's maze but at least you've avoided getting cancer.
>>561972031Timbermaw for Alliance, Ogres for Horde, this is how it always should have been and ended.
>>562072318chinese farmer pet>nihao peter 10cent legend nihao
some Alliance players genuinely believe that the game would be better if the Alliance was just variations on a human, I don't understand this creatively bankrupt way of thinking. The reason people like Tauren so much is that they actually tried to make a fantasy race that wasn't diluted trash.
Some of my best gayming memories happened playing paymane (formerly molten) .... I've played classico since 2019 and it doesn't compare, people are just shitty and every interaction feels like a transaction...
>>562073461Nice doompostWhere can i buy gold from you, sir?
I wish I could boil alive every single gamer in the world who thinks they're an elite gamer
>>562074184you can buy Edgemaster's Troonguards from me but it'll cost you two gold caps
Nosneedjerome
>>562074184the only thing I have learnt from this game is that people will tread on you if you have what they want without hesitation and that they'll use that to show it off for 5 seconds before they get bored of it or that bankstanding requires some other thing
>>562071571Thanks for your post friend, I'm already gearing up as a bear too
>>561916075>wanting to attune with these "people" you are out of your mind
the best cope in these threads is that you're ever going to get a non-toxic playerbase back.They could add everything you ever wanted in Classic Plus and the playerbase is going to ruin it, unless Blizzard decides to say, no, we're going to stop pretending to make retail an e-sport, you're going to have the same people doing mythic+ sharing the sub.
>>562049297https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=226405/damaged-undermine-supply-crateThe idea is to add a bag similar to the undermine supply crate they added in SoD.You would purchase it with badges of justice. This would fix:1) People not doing heroics after they get their 2-3 badge items2) Create a secondary source for trade materials that is not dependent on layers and cannot be hardcamped by bots and third world gold farmers3) Reduce the price/cost of consumablesAs it is right now, farming the overworld is completely impossible with all of the botters/third world gold farmers running around on epic flying.Most players at this point are not running gathering professions.People are instead forced into raw gold farming like Strath or ZF. GDKPs prior to their ban was exactly what the undermine real system was except you were trading your time for gold instead of raw materials.With the badge supply crate, you're doing the same thing but in reverse. You are trading your time for raw materials and that will always be better than gold since the price of materials will generally only ever go up past a certain point of a servers lifespan.
>>562076523this does nothing to address the problem that is the endgame revolving around gear cycles rather than fun.
>>562076626You can't change that without massively overhauling the game as a whole. The whole point of my post was to fix easy shit that the playerbase is suffering right now.Your issue can more or less be fixed by adding a TBC era server.
>>562076829I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is the exact reason why pre-patch TBC is the peak of the game and could've ended there, at some point the gear cycle needs to end and at some point you want to be able to play around with your class without having to spend another year getting parts of the gear together.
Fuck Rupture. Is this the worst ability in this game?
>>562077397Rupture as combat ?
>>562077318You are insane in the membrane if you think prepatch is better than just plain nillerIts fun for a week tho (as a novelty after long periods of niller)
>>562077318>but this is the exact reason why pre-patch TBC is the peak of the gameAnni would've been infinitely more interesting if they started on pre-patch. It also fixes a bunch of issues with consume stacking. My only issue is that some classes are basically unfinished and the meta would still be warrior stacking.
If you played retoilet in the last 5 years your account should be ineligible to play Classic plus
they will use wrath of the sneed king as a base for ploos
You retards really fucked up by letting them call it "Classic+" instead of what it's supposed to be, "Vanilla+"
I'm gay btw
>pov: you are a ret chad
>>562080869Perfect, nobody wants to play world of warrior craft
>GDKP is ... LE BAD and pay to p2w!!>How does it affect you though?>IT JUST DOES OK?!!!
>my favourite dbm korean voicepack just got updated
>>562082028You are still doing discord gdkp, yet you seethe
>>562082028I don't pug but the reason I have gathered is that they're not getting invited into raids. In their ideal world they would log on whenever, get invited into a raid group with good players and get a shot at the best loot. They think that banning GKDP moves the pug culture closer to that ideal.
No matter what blizzard do, thirdies will find a way to make a living wage playing this trash
>>562082831Im quitting if i cant clear t5 with pugs as i do t4 content
>>562082976sorry ive been trying to find a job for at least a year now but no one is hiring a 36 yo with 0 job experience
>>562082976I fucking hate it. All of anni vanilla and TBCs economic issues stems from these fucking cretins and Blizzard's laissez faire attitude towards them and gold buyers.
>>562082028best part of the ban is you dumb niggers having routine melties over it
>>562077881ask yourself why you crave the gear cycle that badly, why do you need the maze to exist
Ok so why is warlock supposed to be the best DPS in single target and AOE throughout TBC and wotlk, while also being top tier in PvP too and it's easy as fuck to level up with tons of utility?
>>562084798fire mage is betterferal is better
pick one>1. your raid is full of male nelves, male draenei and female dwarves, the raid is taken at a much slower pace, but it's not difficult to defeat because WoW The Burning Crusade isn't hard and they patched M'uru anyway; you get your loot.>2. your raid is full of female orcs, the raid goes by at lightning pace, you are forced to join a Discord, your raid is streamed without your consent and you do not get any loot.
>>562084489Its because i am a failure at life and im having fun pugguing bbc
>>562084798The only way to get people to play warlock.
>>562085537They used to be the one button shadow bolt rotation class in old tbcWhy did blizz give them dopamine hits with sneed this go around?
>>562084924fire mage is not even a spec in tbc
is it just me or nosneedjerome's videos are literally AI?
>>562073898Same. Only played for a couple years but made some good friends and have many good memories wpvping with the crew being hunted all over the map by the top ally pvp guild. Loved my bis arp feral.
>>562085784boomers being too trash to do aoe tanking is not blizzards fault
>>562077881gaymers start getting nervous after a month of pre-patch because everyone has the same PVP gear set, and it quickly becomes apparent who is good at the game, what meta is broken and who the poopsockers who ruined WoW by requesting endless copy paste raids with gear tuned +1 stamina are
>your raid is streamed without your consentis this the new normal? because its happened three times to me so far and its really bizarre. I don't like being recorded for someones elses shitty content without knowing.
>>56208640799% of the players dont even care or know about the "broken meta" or whatever you are on about; they just want the expac to release so they can click on hellboar poop already
>>562086517too bad for you then, but I very much doubt any random pug raid stream has more than double digit of viewers at best
>>562086517You know what to do
>>562086517>I don't like being recorded for someones elses shitty content without knowing.Why?
>>562058938You STILL defend blizz trannies... that's why you consume SHIT for games. You are a paypig for trannies. Why are you such a gay faggot? If you give blizzard money, you are support tranny games. Blizzard is a tranny company.
>>562086517uh well you see I'm the best gamer on the server and ackshually you're just a jester to press buttons for my stream
>>562087253not seeing any solutions though, where are they going to hire those magical non tranny devs that can make a good mmorpg?
>>562086794so why would it matter if gear cycles ended? the truth is that blizzard wants you in the maze so that you continuously forget and are reminded of for a day what relevant gear is like
>>562087591The solution is to stop buying blizzard games you dumb fuck. Stop playing this fucking game until they make a new one because they lose customers. But you have no willpower.
>>562087706actually I am not currently subbed thoughbelt
Moonglade is unfinished but it has charm, Azshara would be nice if the cliff holes didn't feel like rape. They should've just filled in the zones like this, could've taken maybe a week to do each unvisitable zone, not hard.
>>562088281how is Moonglade unfinished thoughever?it's a hangout place for dudus, it doesn't need some soulless questhub
>>562087661Blizz just wants you to play the gameYou choose to make it a maze, nigger
>>562088486I mean it seems a bit undeveloped outside the town, they should've done more for this, idc if it costed a tier, this is the one thing Legion did right, dudu hangout, hunter hangout, paladin hangout
>>562088281Moonglade is for druids, nothing more. Azshara is finished I bet you just never quest there.
>>562089135>implying 99.9% with an active sub aren't tempted by gear cycles naive comment, that's the WHOLE game, even with professions
>>562089319And what a game it is !
>>562089378if gear cycles were profession only it would be kino, but raid logging is not
>>562089135Blizzard is a greedy fucking company that can't even hire customer support while their AI system fails to ban the correct people and is used by the bot farmers to punish you.. and blizzard does nothing. Blizzards customer service is designed to abuse you, the person playing the game.
absorbs are just a cancerous mechanic
>>562089708Never had problems with their customer support
>>562089657If you dont have anything fun to do other than raidlog play something else
>Playing ret and hella geared>Farming some primals>Twist a mob and one shot it>Thirdies always ask "how you do that"It'd be endearing if they weren't fucking up the game.
>>562090036there is no customer support, dumbass.. just automated systems. Whatever experience you had is gone. Now bot mafias get you banned and there's nothing you can do about it. They will /who people in strat just to report them.
blizzard and wow is an astronomically shit company and all of your lives will only worse until you unsub and stop buying a single game from blizzard. Stop playing classic. Stop playing hearthstone. Stop playing it all. You addicts are their paypigs and that's why the quality of their games is bad. They think you are too stupid and won't stop. They treat you like drug addicts. Actual fiends, niggers who are homeless. That is what they think of you.
>>562092367Kk will do just 2 more weeks0
>>562092367Aren't you playing a Blizzard game?
>>562092614No i've quit and you will always be less than human until you do the same. Nobody cares about what blizzard does to wow because you are all addicts. You are lowlifes. You need to stop playing and giving them money. Anyone who is not addicted to this game agrees. That's why you hide the fact that you play wow from friends and family. Because you know it's a bad company and doesn't deserve money, but you are guilty. You feel shame about your addiction and the fact that you have no willpower or self esteem.
>>562092819>Sits in this thread spamming 24/7 about Blizzard despite not even playing any of their gamesAnd we're the addicted ones, lmao.
>>562093679No, you are the pathetic one. You give blizzard money. Think about how stupid you are for that. Think really carefully. You support a company that fucking hates you. You support a company that sells boosts and cash shop slop. You support a company that has gay pride parades in-game. You support a company that turned all the characters in their game into furries. You support a company that makes billions and can't afford customer service. Think about how stupid and pathetic you are. Why don't you have any self respect?
>>562094252Take it easy unc, before you have an aneurysm.
>>562094321No because you don't get it. You still cope and won't admit anything wrong with you. It must be your parents or lack thereof that spoiled you, I dunno, but you need to fucking own up to the fact that you play a dogshit game and that you are it's pathetic worm of a paypig.
>>562094454It's not that big of a deal. If you just walk away from your computer for like 20 mins, you'll realize that it's nothing worth getting this worked up over.
>>562094676I'm not getting worked up. I'm speaking truth. Truth you can't take.
I'm level 51, I thought BGs would finally become active at this level, do I really have to wait another 9? what gives, I thought boosties were queueing
>>562095095There are no battlegrounds. At level 70 people gain honor by riding their mount back and forth between two towers for the world pvp minigame but they dont pvp. They just riding the mount between them. PVP is dead. Also arenas are dying already. People playing on a PVP server and don't actually pvp. Alliance and horde just walk right past you peacefully 90% of the time. I shit you not. The players playing this game are so low testosterone. They are all a bunch of limp wristed fags.
>>562095418ngl I feel like an idiot because all I wanted to do was have fun doing BGs, I'm on Alliance and I thought the queues would be faster but there's nothing
>>562096090Welcome to TBC Anniversary. People dont play BGs because they don't give the most honor. It's very simple. People don't want to play the game. If you play in a BG you are not min maxing therefore wasting your time in their minds. They boost and min max their raids and dungeons so that they can save 35 seconds per run. Welcome to the worst and most toxic community WoW has ever seen.
Mentally ill samefag doomer
>>562077397Ummm sweaty you're supposed to expose armor for your superior fury BVLL
remember all of those pvp videos?remember all of those machinima videos?remember all of those webcomics?that all happened in just 3 years. where is the classic version
>>562100465The classic version is some 20 seconds shorts of some shitskin with his mouth open "reacting" to manufactured deaths on hardcore
>>562100465there is more hype on youtube around classic than anything during vanilla
>>562100628
>>562100628I still cannot believe that Blizzard didn't remove the Petrification potion from the game, none of those Hardcore deaths counted.
>>562100465Everyone is minmaxxing and having their 20th character boosted through SM so they can blast through every raid Nobody PVPs except gankers No one who plays classic is creative in any way shape or form, much less an artist.
>>562103848People now live their lives like that, ofc that mentality will be brought to wow too. Heroic dungeons are the testament of that, people play shit like mage or rogue and never cc a mob, they just want to Speedrun and cleave with pallys doing mass pull with divine shit. As for pvp, I blame blizzard too, the honor gain for BGs is stupid.
Layers are cancer. Blizzard are literally battery farming their pay piggies.
>>562104668No point in sheeping... tanks just break the sheep and aoe...
High Warlord...oh that's a High Warlord...oh that's a High Warlord... oh that's another
>>562104668Resilience ruined pvp. The resilience stat should only be active in arena or battlegrounds.
Can you guys believe that /wowg/ is actually malding more than this thread for once?
>>562108481what happened
>>562109451Horde only pride event
>>562111707>horde onlyblizzard knows their audience well
>>562111707why do horde get everything
>>562112168blood elves are like 70% of retoilets playerbase
>questing in barrens>party up with random i see also questing because i suck and cant kill some packs easy>they ask for my disc so we add and voice chat>its a tranny>one of those extra mentally ill onesbased off their profile description>leave call, dm them "ywnbaw", and left the troon to die to a pack of centaurs
>>562112769Gods work. You have to prepare these mentally ill freaks for the real world that people wont play pretend with their bullshit.
>wtb [Punta de escudo de acero vil] plz
>>562111195hat and hoodie: indoorsm&m playtime: 0using discord as his personal twitter: achieveduber career: decimated by rising gas prices
>>562113546>using discord as his personal twitter: achieveda-any examples?
>>562112484the other 30% are void elves pretending to be high elves
>>562113627just go join it and read them yourself
>>562112769looks like no one else in the thread is going to say it but you are the faggot for having Discord on your computer in the first place.
>>562113902I'm banned
>>562114086>not having a burner accountyou are like a baby
>>562112769this story made me sick do people really need to voice chat all the time
>>562114176my burner is also banned
>>562109451The new xpac's first raid was just beaten and the cutscene afterwards was Xal'atath laughing and smirking while Sylvanus makes a grand reappearance
>>562114760This is 100% accurate btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_N6jbquCmQ
>>562114249Can't think of anything worse than having to talk to wow spergs through my computer after a long day having to talk to my annoying as fuck colleagues
>>562114760Shadowlands lore guys still employed?Kek
goonbros where we at?
AH prices on alot of gear is dropping like a stone past few days
tbc anniversary is so dead you can't even camp lowbies
>>562116868im just trying to kill these murlocs bruh go camp the people at lakeshire
having friends to do heroics with sucks so bad. it's basically costing me millions because I could be charging for my tanking services.
>>562118454Nothing worse than a bunch of shitter friends
>>562118454You are the problem. Imagine charging people to play the game with you...
>>562119552Would you tardwrangle for free? Because that's what leading heroics is like these days. I've had multiple warlocks show up to a H BF without seduction trained for their succubi.
>>562120154If you dont like it dont play. Selling dungeon services is against the rules in anniversary.
HOOD STATUS?
rogues are so gayonly ever played a rogue when I was a gay retard teenager 20 years ago
>>562120883rogue is fun to lvl if you dont rush but its pretty gay at endgame yea
>>562120771indoors
>>562120883Rogue is great for ganking people like you because they live and feed off your anger
I want to trade some gold from EU Horde Spineshatter to EU Alliance Thunderstrike, how the f do I go about this now theyve banned it officially? Cant find any forums or discords just googling
>>562121550I dunno but I hope you get banned doing so
>>562121768>>562121768>>562121768>>562121768
