Fine I'll do it myself you retards. >Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-25-2026-update.121766/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/
Have a good game today, /dlg/!
>>562029234Cums from anal
Sex with Venator
i lost my first game of the night and i know its because i didnt pick victor
i think billy is the most honest character in the game
>>562029341
Where are the Silver buffs? I DEMAND Silver buffs.
>>562029234>AI slop OPplease kys
>>562029234Threadlocked: >>561984362
What's the most games you will play in a day to avoid tilting?
Man, I just LOVE! playing against Mcginnis and Doorman, I hope EVERYONE (yes, every single person) in this thread gets to enjoy the same experience I just had.I'm going to pray for every anon ITT to play against Mcginnis & Doorman! blessings to all of you!
Who the fuck is Eskayy?I need a quick rundown.
>>562029463always stop after the third loss.
>>562029463You mean lose in a day? For me it's two in a row then I play brool or a different game.
>>562029502eternus tranny that looks more or less chopped depending on the picsells lewd cosplay picsplayed overwatch too or somethingstreaming right now if you want to watch
silver sisters...
>>562029728isn't her bf some fat guy that's kinda wholesome tho
>>562029823>her
>>562029760bro he just dosnt know how to play silver sivler is the strongest hero in the game just leanr to play
>>562029728This guy boosted metro to eternus is EU btw
>Enemy warden types EZ early>They lose immediately after>The cope string beginsIs there anything as delicious as this?
arcane surge kind of feels like a placebo item
>>562029441Too bad
I can't believe anons would rather choose a stinky dog over a cute rich vampire
>>562029463I don't really tilt unless it's one of my friends playing retarded when I know they can do betterI played years of solo ADcarry on league, this is a walk in the park
>>5620299971 stam, 15 ability duration, and 12 range and 20 spirit power for 1600
>>562029982That anon's "what your main says about you" list is becoming too accurate
>>562029463depends of the matches if i get really tilted i blow some bubbles in the woods and go back
>>562029079i make my own builds cause i'm not a bitch
>>562029879metro gettin the high status tranny bussy
Who should play Silver in the future live action film?
>>562030127HAHAHAHAHA
>>562030151What list
>>562030439Your mom
>ivy T3 tether + heroic aura + healing tempo>team is moving at hyperspeedThis is very funny
Hoodwink added to Deadlock when
>>562030812rape hoodwink (violently)
haze literally has 0 counters
I might have to drop Pocket. The best the hero can do is minorly inconvenience a couple of heroes per ult and hopefully slip away after. His spirit damage scaling is laughably weak and he dies to a stiff breeze at any point of the game.
QuestionCan doorman put up a door in the baroness? That is, if he put up a door, and an enemy Sinclair used his own ult against him, could he put the other door down and escape?Has anyone tested this? I can't since none of my friends are interested in DL
>>562031457Why does he start with -15 spirit res?
>>562031528Holdover from when he was the only mobile hero
>>562031603thanks yoshit
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGET OUT OF MY FUCKING GAMES
>>562031457>bro just build Glocket
is there any hero in the game that can rush a 6400 item and not be trolling
>>562031663>NOOOOOOO WHY DIDN'T YOU BUILD FOUR ACTIVE ITEMS TO ENABLE MY HARD CARRY SKILLS AAAAAAAAA
>>562031487no, there were some glitches that let him put one on an edge of the capsule around the baroness though
>>562031748every character should buy egg -> t4 item
I think im just gonna play a bunch of abrams for the forseeable future bros. If im behind im just gonna rush cursed relic
C&C
is it just a rite of passage that every retarded mcginnis player thinks they can solo midboss way too early, waste a shitload of time, and die
>>562031080metal skin and plated armor>b-butdispel magic and spellbreaker are the same thing get used to it, and those two are good against wraith, gun infernus, warden and any m1gger you come acrossthe issue is most bullet resist items are bruiser/tank oriented, imagine an item that gave you 18% resist and also lowered the target damage and also increased your damage on them, oh wait that's EE
>>562032309defensive items aren't counters. they're baits and you lose out because you have no damage. you only buy defensive if you're in the lead to avoid throwing it, if you're behind you go pure damage
I've just had the most "free loss of the day" game I've ever had.Mina would literally just W+M1 without a hint of fear into 1v6s. And then would just keep walking straight at them as she's getting shot to pieces. Like a goddamn bot, but why would you even bot this game when there's no hats dropping yet?I thought it's someone playing his first video game ever, but the guy has five pages of matches. The majority fairly normal but some just astounding like these. I thought it's maybe a smurf trying to keep the rank down, but no. I dunno, maybe he lets his 5 year old kid play on his account because I've never seen anything that bad.Props for the Trophy Hunter though, cherry on top.
>>562031813FUCK OFF PAIGE
>>562032467>double meme collector gameunlucky
>>562032467>trophy hunter minayou should be allowed to use cult sac on "players" like these
>>562031663that's my girl
>>562032467could be a literally mentally retarded person
>aislop OP>aislop game>aislop teammatesshit game
>>562032405metal skin unironically is for haze, or it at least buys you time to run and catch up unless they buy curse and you know they won'tyou want to buy one single item and negate all the feeding you did? you'll still need to play the game unfortunately, open a video if you don't want to do that
>>562032610shivbros what the fuck were we cooking here
>>562032610I kneel.
>>562032715it's not bad. BUT you'll probably be around half health by the time you activate it AND you're forced to scatter, allowing her team to pick you off. so her ult always gets value
>>562032405>he doesn't buy counter spell/dispel magicholy seekerGAWD
>>562032610>mina and silver smurfingthese characters have something in common but i dont wanna say it due to fear of rousing the 'cord....
>>562032884idiot. with this mystic reverb imbued upon my pillow, I can deal 150 more damage and HEAL 70 of that damage back!
so did we ever figure out what the 600mb update was...?
>>562032884both seem mandatory every game but im too retarded for counterspell
despite the buffs, I still never see Holliday in my games
>>562033057Something to do with the JO in the game
>>562033105>despite the buffskek
>>562033105the buffs really weren't anythingslight CD buff on crackshot and a buff that requries teammates to read patch notes and play as if they were you for a split second
>silver player with that effeminate passive aggressive uptalk on coms complaning that a mina can dive them under tower
how do i play in the north american servers?
>>562033106is this a fucking jo mama set up
>>562033337you will play with russians and you will like it
>>562033105>despite the buffssis...
>>562033426No it's referencing the jungle objectives in the game
>Haze player>Schizo micromanaging every player on the team>Has the most deaths because he keeps trying to steal the enemy sinners and gets clapped>Rages at everyone else when we loseWhy people like this?
- Graves: Jar of Dead T2 no longer grants +4s Duration- Graves: Jar of Dead T3 changed from "+2 Deadheads and Deadheads apply Essence Theft" to "+2 Deadheads and +4s Duration"- Graves: Essence Theft T3 changed from "+1 tether and improved targeting angle" to "Your summons now apply Essence Theft"heres your update bro
>>562033057Pre-patch for jungle update.Like implementing the code for changes without actually putting them in to see if anything break before full implementation.
>>562033607surely she'll drop back to A-tier now right?
>>562033106when are we getting the JOI update
dog they just shot Graves in the legs
>no mirage changes what is this idiot doing
>>562029760>>562029860Yeah why doesn't he have handsJust gotta have hands bro
>>562034030>>562032610
>>562034053Now THAT is handsless
>>562033337cs2 server picker
>>562033607effective changes:>no longer have the a shitty ricochet that cost 5AP>zombies can now apply essence thefti thought they were supposed to nerf her, wtf?
>Try to start a game>Sent back to lobby>"Rejoin or you abandon">Rejoin>Sent back to lobby>Keeps happeningWhat the fuck happened with the patch
I guess Mirage is balanced exactly how they want him to be
link notes
why do they WANT this game to be so unbalanced? like this isn't even a case of "oh lets make everyone overpowered so the field is even", they just arbitrarily make certain characters game ruining rape machines and refuse to fix them
>>562034602>>562033607That's it
How important is "+1 tether and improved targeting angle" ive never played this nigger character
>no mirage hotfixLMAO
every loss ever>feeding retard doesn't understand what the fuck is even happening
>>562034325The game you're trying to join hasn't updated and is playing on an older version, please revert the update to join.Oh you didn't have time to do that? Enjoy low prio you fucking griefer.
>>562034896yoshitnigger has no idea what he is doing
>>562033607this reads like an overall buff LMAO what is this retard fucking doing
>>562034696i only play when my friends are on now. i've essentially retired until things get flipped
>>562034696im still unsure if this is all limit testing or they are just genuinely retarded
Her skulls losing essence theft by default definitely feels like they took a baseball bat to her kneecaps, they barely tickle now in the early game.
>>562035363Probably a bit of both, this is a closed alpha but Icefrog has done some stupid shit before
>patch built specifically for one heroHas this ever happened before
>>562033607>now when i say i want +1 tether back, people won't be able to tell whether i'm a horrid gravesfag or an honest ivy enjoyerGOD DAMN IT
>finally find a doorman build that does damage>2 games in a row get a designated drifter feeder that loses us the game because he does nothing but feed all game and it goes to 45+ minutes because his ult is constantly stalling fightsgenuinely considering banning drifter just so i don't have to get him on my team
>>562033607isn't this just a buff to gun graves since she builds ricochet lmfao
>>562035553cyka bliad shut mouth whore i best drifter
I love playing like a big dumb gorilla in brawl
>>562029341Calm down Mina!
it may sound backwards-- but (movement EXPLOITS aside), because mechanics and macro matter so little in this game, the hero power seems to dominate. in no other moba would you see ~4 heroes at 60% winrate. ive said before: but 53-55% WR on a hero in dota meant the patch was FUCKED. think sniper at his peak
>>562033607600mb for this?
>>562035641any sniper tips?
>>562035432>early game>tier 3 ability upgradeare you retarded?
>>562030812>>562030927Yiff in hell, tourist cancer
>>562035631Why do so many slavs play drifter?))
>>562035631to be fair to the second one, our billy also died 18 times so it wasn't all himascendant V game btw
>>562035876Bloodseeker
>>562033607>Summoner Graves now has a massive AP tax, genuinely wants to max all 4 of her abilities>Gun Graves is only slightly nerfedWhat are we doing here bro
I find Graves so obnoxious to play against
>>562035851dota players aren't tourists, they're refugees
why does yoshi always have to give compensation buffs when nerfing an S tier hero?
>>562035849>graves player>spouting it like a fact without even playing a match yetyes
>>562035876I think they just enjoy blood themed gorilla characters, like Bloodcyka in Dota
>>562035753i barely remember... 1 level of shrapnel then take aim + headshot. you could probably just make treads, wraith bands and a mask of madness, then dominate
>playing game>shooting enemy, enemy will die in 2 more seconds of sustained dps>allied doorman ults the enemy to save himhonestly debating on whether doormen or rem hurt the team more
>>562030812Soon hopefully
>try to play gun Shiv in street brool thinking it could be fun>do literally nothingsorry team
>>562035553>killing humans on doormanits so much better to vex them
>>562036000It's not a compensation buff if you've actually played the hero and understand how her abilities work, it's a slap on the wrist to the build people are crying about and a kick in the teeth to the one that was causing way fewer problems.
Where's the panties Mina mod that gets posted here sometimes?
>>562035602The reading comprehension of this general is so fucking bad, so many of you are actual mouthbreathers
These Graves buffs aren't enough
They should add Marci instead
>this is the state of the game until maykekaroo, cant wait to watch the numbers fall
>Drifter & doorman ult now parriable with counterspell>Graves root take 5 seconds to setup, can be melee to move the hands away>Graves ult takes 10 seconds to setup, but it will give her a speed boost once it's up, a light melee can stop it in the growing process. >Graves skulls only target what she is directly shooting at, if she throws it at a zombie it dies and she gets a buff, if thrown at a trooper it become a zombie trooper>Graves zombies take 0.5 seconds longer to explode but their aoe is a bit larger.There is the attempt to lessen the cancer a bit
>>562036395why would they port a character that would mog the fuck out of Mina Silver Graves combined
>>562036409the game has had dogshit balancing past the six new heroes being launched and i thought the game would consistently die out the way it did with the drifter/mina/billy update but somehow deadlock keeps having the same consistently high player numbers so i don't fucking know lol
>>562036460drifter ult is already counterspell-able so im not even going to read the rest of your suggestions
im mindbroke to be honest
>>562036460>mirage not mentioned once againAHHHH I CANT FUCKING STAND IT ANYMORE NIGGERMAN SAVE ME PLEASE
>>562036460Genuine retard
>>562036495That would be Hoodwink
>"improved tethering angle" completely removed from her kitSo they just unfixed her targeting as a nerf?
>>562036593Honestly a shame the enemy has to even be on Grave's screen to be locked onto
>>562036593wtf does this even do when the tether hits everything
>>562035876>unwashed murderhoboself-insert
>Read through general>People dont understand how dead M1 graves is nowlolRicochet effected both tethers before thats WHY it was good. No reason to pick this stupid bitch any more.
>>562036593It doesn't have a second tether anymore so it's just the basic angle now Kind of a shame, I think nerfing her skulls would be enough but she is probably back to D-tier now
When is it normal to leave your lane and start roaming?
you grave downplay niggers are unbearable
>>562036869You take their guardian/they take urs and ur getting raped in the process
>>562035641Macro barely matters because of schmoovement, everyone is omnipresent at higher ranks. So the only contest is of hero inherent power stat and wealth check.
>>562036883Alright calm down you toenail
I won't be satisfied until Graves is removed
>>562036937Had a Silver partner leave lane minute 5 even when we had killed the opposing duo multiple times died zero and had the enemy guardian on 50% without saying anything.
>>562036779No man the hero wasn't literally only good when fighting more than one hero. You still spam on hit effects. Ricochet gets moved back a purchase or two to after you have more of those and you don't rape team fights to death anymore, her gun build is still good. Meanwhile hero spirit build is worse early, worse mid, and only comes online late, where it already fell off.
Graves should be like one of those SSB joke characters if we want healthy game balance
>>562037120Her gimmick was cleaving down team fights bro, not everyone needs to be a 1v1 hero. Now she is just a weak M1 hero for people who can't aim.
>>562037192>>562037069>>562036883CopeAndSneed
>>562037119thats kind of normal too, guardians matter less than preventing ur other teammates from feeding imo. And Silver really benefits from roaming early, probably should have said something tho. Always be aware of a teammate leaving around 5 minutes because of buffs
>>562036170NTAI don't play her, what does this change do to her gameplan?
>>562037294>>562037242
Insider here. Here's a leak for one of the upcoming heroes.The in game files refer to them as Angel. The green arm makes me think that it might be related to oathkeeper. They have an ability called 'Frittata', so I'm assuming it might be Ixian language like Itani lo Sanh.
>99% of the cancer ruining the game are the newer heroes addedamazing
>>562037381Thanks.Here's a cute raccoon, I hope it's enough for payment.
>>562037502Infernus and Dynamo are OGs thoughbeit
>>562036740Back then her second tether would have the same hitbox as the first one, so it was pretty useless since enemies had to be almost on top of each other for it to latch. Then they updated it so on T3, both tethers would have a wider "cone" which was a bit ridiculous since you could hit two people almost on opposing sides (combined with ricochet and neutral creeps it was easy to hit everyone in the screen)Then they removed the second tether along with the wider cone
>cart abrams to walker and kill him>he falls for it again>he falls for it yet again
There's a zombie on your lawn
Oracle is the worst. Absolutely the worst teammates, hands down. Complete metaslaves. Will not do anything that interrupts their farm cycle.
Shiv M2 should use 5 ammo and deal 5x damage debate me on this
>2 is still good with echo shard, especially in team fights or mid>1 is still is good>4 completely unchanged>Only real big nerf is the removal of the second tether which makes farming a little more annoying so ricochet needs to be bought sooner rather than laterNot a big loss. Don't hate the changes, anyone who says she's dead or shit are just coping and elo fodder.
>>562037786I have some thoughts on this subject.
>>562037786It should use all your ammo and do your damage X ammo count so you can potentially hit someone with a 3k damage gun nuke
Once Mina gets a taste of werewolf's blood there is no coming back for her. It makes her head spin, she simply loses control. Silver's boiling blood makes Mina addicted. Despite being a lowly muttits like a delicacy. The added alcohol doesn't help either. There is just nothing better for Mina anymore than Silver's blood. At some point I point Mina realizes she can't live without it. And the beckoning scent of lowly mutts blood is all she wants. How embarassing, she, a vampire of a high society and exquisite taste, got addicted to some lowly stinky dog.
>>5620379975/10 you use "lowly" too much
>>562037846Let it ride
>>562035538>honest>ivyIf shitters weren't bitching about doorman still they'd have that gargoyle hung by jumper cables
>>562037997Proofread next time you stupid ass retard
>Graves, Rem, Victor, Drifterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3r5fCZH9Y
>>562037997
my fog removal configs no longer work...
>>562037502and mirage
>>562038329Same with my fag removal configs, as you're still here.
>>562038187every pellet from alt fire applies bleed and EE and does 1 million damage... or no deal
>>562037814I don't like skull essence theft being moved to the tether but maybe people start running her as more of a hybrid instead of mainly spirit or gun. Her gun build is worse but not gutted, don't think she's back to being the worst hero in the game or even in the lower half of the cast.
>Venator broooooling during lane>Dies 4 times>Goes to jungle for the next 20 minutes>Lowest net worth on the teamWhy are m1retards allergic to just farming?
>Patch only focuses on Graves>Barely changes herYoshi I kneel.
>>562038390got his ass
>>562038483Let me guess, you needed the solo side lane over ur m1gger carry?
>>562038397Best I can do for you is the bleed and 1 million damage, I'm trying to run a business here
How is Mirage still getting away with it
>>562038575Your right, EE is too fucking busted >>562038613maybe yoshit imagines he is some kind of hard to play super rewarding for high level play character and not what he actually is, or he just dgaf
>>562038613Hero kit is boring and weak in pubs, instead of reworking it just buff everything across the board so metaslaves will pick him up solely for the win.
Geist should be immune to Rem's nap, anytime he tries to nap with her she should be disgusted by the little rat nigger and swat him away
sex mode when
if they dont buff victor there will be serious consequences
>>562029234Dimb gay niggers at valve really made the aimbot character op. Fuck you valve!!!!!
>>562038560I was bouncing back and forth between the other lanes ganking but nice try m1sissy.
>>562038859im honestly surprised yoshi didnt bend to the victards and just revert his 2 to cleanse and do nothing else to him so we would be in an even worse hell for the next month
>Tiny is a rock monster that doesn't know his origins>Ivy is a rock monster that doesn't know her originsquality writing valve
I WILL NOT FAIL NASHALLAH
>>562038991>tfw tienes una cuenta pendiente
>WinGet to enjoy the feeling of a team working together and the rewards of improving your skill>LoseGet to have relaxed matches against more equally skilled opponents as you hone your craftAre MOBAs just a win win in disguise? Is this the best genre ever created?
>>562038991>Legion Commander is black and a woman>Wraith is black and a womanWow these guys really are creatively bankrupt huh
>>562032028Its really quite refreshing to see people take to goldengravesHero shooters tend to have, let's be honest, extremely fucking gay and degenerate fan bases, and Deadlock isn't exactly breaking the tradition, but so many people getting invested in a cute ship between a young boy and a young girl despite everything is nice to see
>>562039125This is not how deadlock works however
>>562038728>anytime he tries to nap with herGeist is a wealthy aristocrat. If Rem tries to nap with her he's getting molested.
>>562039265Doesn't she want to be BUNDA'd by Abrams?
Do you guys use hold or double tap to alt cast?
>>562039364Hold
>>562037864Only if he's blown back stupidly far and is stunned if he hits a wall.
>>562037997it’s canon since gooks love to eat dogs
placing my nose right up to silver's cookie and taking a big whiff of the strong doggy musk before making out with it
>>562039076troonicorn down
>>562038991ivy knows her origins though she just doesnt know what to do being an ageless magic being in new york that did nothing besides killing pendejos for 20 years
>>562038991tfw no quarry to settle
>>562038506her gun literally has half the dps now
Character that shoots a water gun and has a shock thing attached to his hand and is maybe a clown when
>>562039691She doesn't know her origins but she doesn't care, it's really a subtle social commentary on the modern amerigolem, a hispanic american mystery meat hybrid, indifferent to the past and the future, only fit for a gun and following orders right here and now.
>>562039907... against multiple targets.
>3 minute queueGraves killed this game
>>562039907You're retarded
Alright, that's it, I'm done, which Marvel Rivals champ are we playing?
>>562040143Scarlett Witch
>>562040143Symmetra
>>562040143the ice woman that gets fucked by dogs
>>562039932she knows she was a statue, what kind of statue, when she gained sentience, remembers everything from waking up to nowshe just doesn't know the how
>doorman on my team>don't have the only strong on the other team (that didn't buy unstoppable or anything btw) permaulted>he did carted the graves to our base ONCE tho (it didn't kill her)
>>562040143mantis (sex with)
>>562040143Darius
>>562040143Moira
>>562040294Only with this mod
>>562039162Hot and cold once again proving itself to be the best ship dynamic
>>562040252Origin as in who made her, what is her purpose etc. Yes she has eyes and know what a gargoyle is, no one said otherwise. Are you American per-chance.
This fucking doorman was such a weirdo. Played against and with him a few times, he always buys this same build, and he literally will not use bells. This was a 30 minute game and he had 5k damage. He only pushes people under walkers and ults, thats his entire gameplay. Also he ended the game with an unhached egg, not the first time i've seen him do it either
>>562040561based
>>562039076>7k networth down>enemy has rejuv>tries to 1v1 one of the strongest 1v1 heroes over half of games are played by people at or below this skill levelthink about that the next time you see someone give a balance opinion
>watching alchemist game>the guy goes to base to buy>stares at the shop for 10 seconds deciding what to buy while he's there instead of already knowing what to buy on the waygoddamn all this downtime I'm seeing is making me feel suffocated
>>562040549>Origin as in who made herShe has no reason to care, she already has her family she loves, she directly expresses this opinion >what is her purposeWith relation to your prior point of who made her, she HAS none and she knows it, she was a statue put on a church and nothing else. She is a transient creature seeking purpose nowI dislike Americans as much as the next civilized being, but you are going out of your way looking for subtext where there isn't anyIn this single instance I would actually say obsessed is an accurate word for you
>>562031663>when you queue random and get Paige in an oracle lobby
>>562039595You think it stays the same in her human form?
>>562039932why do people count spain as like the single bad european country
>>562040286but what if it DID kill her bro? think of all the reddit updoots!!!!111!!
>>562040561Wish I got Doorman players who did this, instead they have the same damage number with 0 assists and can never actually pull off the walker cart combo.
THE WOLF IS AT YOUR DOOR
>>562041161Yes I genuinely thought Deadlock had right natsoc political subtext as it is a very anti-dei heavy game. (btw this is also tongue in cheek)Basically she knows she is alive and when she started living, that's hardly knowing your origins. The end.
>>562041251yes she has other wolf like properties as a human, she definitely has a soft puffy cookie down there
just played an abrams game to fill that victor gap and hes so much better it feels awful
I AM ONE WITH THE CURRENT
>here's you're gun rem, bro
>>562041539I'd let her in
>>562033607So split shot doesn't work with her now either? I assume this was to nerf richochet double dipping
>>562039981>>562040041yes, so late game she will do half the damage she used to do in teamfights........unless the damage of her 2 streams is put into the single stream?
>>562041676I look and perform like this
So not only did they revert Graves and her gun to what they were before but they left her necromancer abilities worse than they were before? A classic move.
>>562041967Just dont let him get that farmed? what are we doing here
>>562042057It was based on an actual game some guy had with release Venator where the ult could one shot anyone.
>>562040561Honestly wouldnt surprise me if anti bell cancer is how you're expected to play him nowNo scaling till T3 is so annoyingly bad
>>562041891>yes, so late game she will do half the damage she used to do in teamfightsCorrect. But that has nothing to do with her gun's raw DPS, rather the fact that it now only shoots one target instead of two.Deal with it Gravesfag, you could already hit the whole team by buying ricosplit anyway
I swear the game keeps trying to put me in the worst matches it possibly can.> Get Dynamo> Team has four supports and the two carries are useless> Get Haze> Entire enemy team are either tanks or can remove fixate, get locked down and die because they can out-live anything until the very end of the gameI just can't win, even when I win I barely do anything.
>>562033607>>562041891I would prefer ricochet be unbuyable for Graves than have her T3 gun neutered like this. It feels awful, I can't farm half as efficiently in the midgame any more. Damage and lifesteal gone in midgame and lategame fights. None of her other abilities are reliable like the gun was. Time to put Graves aside for a while and play useful heroes..
>>562042249>time to check the tierlist and queue the next highest win rate herokek
https://vocaroo.com/1fUFunpsZmapI'm making a theme for mina, I wanted it to have a vibe of like 1950's commercial shopping mall music mixed with some vampire spooky shit. Is this a good direction? where should i take it from here?
>>562042320Not everyone plays or thinks like you do, some of us play to have fun. Enjoy your misery
>>562042207ok so I'm right. gun graves now does HALF the damage she does in late game teamfights. she is back to D tier
>>562042249>Nooo I have to engage with game mechanics like every other characterOh, the horror
I havent touched doorman in like a week is he still fun
What happened to mirage?
>>562042498>Graves is the only character that lets you bypass game mechanicsI want all newfags to be restricted from posting.
>>562042540He does no damage but can kidnap people under walker still.
I thlammed my penith in my tome
>>562042584gay sex with drifter happened
>>562042475You're right in your vague, loose definition of the word, sure. You can accept my concession.Nonetheless, you'll just have to fucking deal with it nerd lmao
why even play victor...
Imagine how difficult it must be for a regular human male to get a girlfriend in the deadlock universe. You have to compete with 8ft tall brick shithouse Ubermensch demon men and heterochromitic handsome zombies.
>>562042370yea
>>562042797Regular human women would have the same problem when there's demon chicks, vampire stacies and werewolf gigastacies around every cornerClearly the conclusion we can make from this is that regular human men were meant for regular human women
>>562042605I guess tankbuster util doorman is back on the menu
>gungraves gutted>summoner graves rapedwhat does she do now? put down a big wall you can jump over?
>>562042818yeah what
haze is missing
>>562042919What if ixians take multiple wives
>>562042632i just realized nashala is blushing too
>>562043014Then they should have opened their portal up in saudia arabia instead of america, and they can fuck off there now
>>562042987She has more duration on skulls now... I think?
>>562042987hopefully not even that soon
>>562042987she needs to be a little weak at all times because her design is so braindead statchecky
>>562043097the ones destroyed in one hit?
>>562042987if you get hit by a zomby you lose 45% damage and 15% spirit res i guess
>>562043063Mormons
>>562043013Haze is RIGHT there!
>>562043154Just parry bro, free kill
>>562042195I mean there's an argument to be made, one of the thigns that made Gunman really strong was that you didn't need to level bell at all, meaning you reached your door and cart powerspikes a lot faster while still dealing good damage. The problem with not leveling bell at all is that your lane is going to be severely worse, and you also lose out on a lot of solo kill potential, even if you push them under your walker. There might be an angle to explore here, but its not exactly what this guy was doing. 5k damage is just bad, doesn't matter if he had 13 assists.
>>562042993i like the direction it's going in so far
>>562029234New map when?
Why isn't Fleetfoot core on Shiv
Who's worse?The doorman tard who only does 1 trickOr the retards that keep falling for it?
Is there a certain timing window for the calico light melee out of her 2? Feel like sometimes it comes out super delayed
>>562043820SHEEEEEEESH
TIME TO LET OUT THE BEAST>*bites you for 200 damage*>*tail whacks you cutely*>*mauls you for 30,000 damage because you're too retarded to counterbuy*AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>562043912I only have 2000 health tho
>>562043820No...
>>562043912>*spams bunny hex and kicks your ass in wolf form*
>>562043912
>>562043820
how it feels to hard carry from behind and win against cancerous fed heros (I'll prolong 100 lost matches chasing this high)
>>562043912We don't buy the Silvertroon downplay narrative anymore here sorry.
>>562044040Hex on ult Silver should make her into a Werebunny
>>562044373But Retardanon... That's an upplayer...
>>562044753Didn't even read the post I'll be honest.
to whoever said you can shoot rem when he's latched onto someonefuck you, you can't
>>562044856Trolllled
>>562043912>30,000 damageYou don't need that many zeroes after the decimal point
>>562037192>like one of those SSB joke charactersG&W is a high A tier in ultimate rn.
>metal skin op ez gamesays the 20k ahead person against noone building gun
>graves's passive is bugged>goddammit yoshi>die and it still doesn't work>mfw when it's different nowFUCCCKKKKK>>562041967I just read the notes now and it's over for the gungrave overdose build, spirit is the only way you get to build her now probably, I'll try to see if rushing root and ricochet will help since the passive is fucking useless now and she has the worst gun damage and scaling in the game, also her farm game is probably dogshit now since you can't get enough deadheads back from the jungle to spend them on the jungle
>>562045272ahahahahhahah this and the victard nerfs man this is too great
>gun Geist on my team>she goes fucking 16 kills to 1 death>it took the entire team dogpiling her to kill her on that single deathGun Geist builders.... I kneel....
So when is Pocket getting fixed to "he"
>>562045456Pocket is the frog
>>562045363source
>>562045456as soon as xhey lose the -15 spirit res
>>562043136>statchecky+50000 riot games(tm) social credits
>>562045659its welwraith, dunno if the fag every uploaded it publicly but I scrape his shitcord every few months
>>562044808The fucking state of Silver upplayers lmao...
>Having the time of my life on doorman>Teammates are braindead mongoloids that no matter HOW MUCH IN FAVOR YOU MAKE THE FIGHT FIND A WAY TO DO DUMB SHIT AND LOSE ITHehe so that's why I took a break
>>562044856I hear some abilities can hit him like vindicta ult
>>562045456pocket is a hermaphrodite that's why people call it they
ngl the nerfs should of went to Kelvin
>>562046054and mirage and dynamo lane rape stomp and EE
>>562046054this but Mirage
>>562045347I played her before the buffs I'll play her after the nerfs i don't care desu, it's just a question of how to make her viable, gungraves might still be salvageable in the same way gun ivy is where it's not ideal, infact it crumbles under pressure but it's viable, I'm unironically considering the egg and building semi support early to mid game because her damage is already negligible. If worse comes to worse I'll just cave to yoshi's demands and build full summoner
>IN HERE>CHRIST IS KING What did he mean by this?
>>562045272>>562045347See >>562040041
>>562045347i complain but im still playing victor even castrated as he is
so let me get this straight: we had a character that was a splitpushing menace that scaled their power based upon how many people show up to stop them, but had a chance to die 1v1 due to the nature of the abilities used, who was then buffed to splitpush even harder while also now having immense teamfight value because of how much cc and damage they can shit out with echo shard and refresher and when finally nerfed it only hit the playstyle that was less oppressive while the more oppressive playstyle is still around to stay at a 55%+ winrate?
>>562045363>good art gets ruined by shitty retarded coomer artstylemany such cases
>>562045456never. it's social commentary on how wmaf hapas are mentally ill, just like how all the blacks are criminals
This is the optimal Seven damage graph my team made IMMENSE amounts of space for me
>>562046538>I wanted to see geist holding her fat sweaty titties but you made it too horny man!
>>562045363just..........build silence
>>562046418Hope you don't like any low winrate heroes they'll do this to them next.
>>562046418This is just Icefrogs M.O., the changes to Graves is just him trying a different way to shift the way Graves plays.
>>562046418the more oppresive was gun, and gun has 50% less damage now. so graves should be decent but not op if going summoner build
Geists ult should not be instant
>75 minute game>One of our teammates disconnected around the 50-ish minute mark>LostKind of disappointed but I think I'd rather have this than a steamroll 30 minute loss honestly, really wish that guy didn't DC we probably would have won.
mashallah where could mohammed and kareen be hiding
>>562047528what was he waiting for
>>562047598he was using healing rite looking at the wall for some reason
>>562047528kek
>>562047659he had 8/10 hp as mo, 1 scorn heals the same as an entire rite
todays games:3 won where i got haze2 lost where i didnt get haze and enemy had haze
>>562047753Nigga replying like he's Mo and not the infernusWho knows what was going on in his mind lil guppy
>>562047598the prayer call to use magic carpet
>>562043664Doorman. He’s cancer to the game and should be removed
>>562043275https://vocaroo.com/17Aub7lr9aRtwhat about now? does the key change sound right?
item that gives air control and decreased gravity when
>>562047913lol'd
>Haze is cumming for them!uh ok then
>>562047980idk now it kind of sounds like retro rpg music
One more rank until Eternus and then I can drop this game until it gets more major updates.
>>562048587its % based so you can just quit now and when open beta comes out you'll be eternus
>>562045456Once they give him an actual nerf (never).
big fan of doing this every single time i get mid
>help lane partner kill the enemy 10 times in the first 10 minutes>proceeds to suck all game with only one extra kill and goes negative
Mina Ha... easy on the blood...
>>562048863>parries late and proceeds to get ruthlessly fistedbeen there
>>562049082brrrraaaaaaap
>>562048863wait a minute
>>562048863VERY fast dicter moving at incredible hihg speed
>>562049082plapping this EXACT mina
>>562049391Think of your vows, Venator!
>>562048863every time i try something like this, my laner leaves for the sideshop
>Paige. You possess the courage of Pendragon, and the selflessness of Galahad.holy fucking cringe...............
>>562048863that haze is retarded just sleep the enemy and leave
>>562049739I'd like to pendraggin my nuts across her face.
>>562049739The support sissy lines are the worst>0/10 REM YOU ARE WHOLESOME CHUNGUS!
>>562049792She took fixation first, she doesn't have dagger.
You're my employee of the month Michael
Bloodfeeding with Mina Ha!
ANDREEEEW, SHOPPING CARTS EVERYWHERE APPLAUD YOU FOR PLACING THEM IN THEIR RIGHTFUL SPACE
>>562048340whats the vibe i should go fo with it? im having trouble with this one ngl
>>562049923oh i see
mina is too much of a chud to be attractive
>>562050050NO ONE RECYCLES PLASTIC AND CARDBOARD QUITE LIKE YOU, GAAARYYYY......
ABRAMS, MAY MANY BIG CUMS ARRIVE TO YOUR PENIS
What's the plan boss?
THE MILK HAS EXPIRED ONCE MORE...
IVY... SUMMON THE HIDDEN KING AND NATURALIZATION WILL BE YOURS
Graves status? LMAO time to learn a new hero
why do so many paradox builds have toxic bullets? i thought her gun didn't apply it that well
>>562047528You could actually hit his nose like that. At least it worked for me when he was hiding behind the banner next to a guardian
Toxic bullets on pocket, yay or nay?
>>562050448it's less about it being good on paradox and more about toxic bullets just being strong as fuck.I still think there are better options for paradox but it's still a strong item to have especially with how valuable anti heal is.
Joooseeeeph, you look like a good Joe...
If you arent building toxic bullets and silence wave on every character u are trolling!
does abrams' penis size scale to his body, or does he still have a 5 - 7 inch, which would look small in comparison to how large he is
>>5620510673.5 + 1cm per boon lvl
>>562051067consult the tier list
>>562051067why would you say that
>be Oracle 3>decide to play a match with my Emissary friend>duo queue>the enemy team is a 6-stack with 4 level 0 accounts with 6 games played all with each other and mysteriously amazingly good movement and macro play and an obvious aimbotter>our team has a 0/31/0 Kelvin in 21 minutesWhelp, uninstalled this trash game.Enjoy your dumpster fire that will likely go the way of Artifact if they don't get a handle on this idiocy.
how much longer til metro comes out as trans? lil white nigga sweet as a sugar plum
>>562051420See you tomorrow!
>>562051067Ixian men have larger penises on average compared to the human male's
>Apollo going 1-5 buying counterspell versus Abrams minute 15The raped, but also is this normal archon behavior.
>>562051451ace in the pocket, wont be used til he desperately needs a reputation reset
>>562051067Its big enough to fuck silver in wolf form, so its gotta be like 9 inches and really wide
>>562051664its the best item in the game
>>562051664>is this normal archon behavior.they just follow their build guides left to right unless you ran into a actual free thinker in which case he jus new
game feels like it ranks you up easier than it ranks you down. If you get an unlucky win streak you'll be stuck in the rape train for a while until your rank drops again.
Even with these nerfs Graves is not even close to balanced.
>>562051995you expect change by yoshi to fix problem? shame on you
>>562051995These are slap on the wrist nerfs because people are complaining about her a lot. The character, like most of the last 6 added (besides Venator) are simply not good or healthy designs for the game going forward.
>>562052086>things I say when I'm a fucking windowlicking retard
>>562051995If she ends up getting juggled by russians trying to rape each other again this wednesday, you'll see more nerfs.
>>562051727>silver in wolf formZAMNNN abrams got to hit all THIS?
>>562052236Anon, I think you forgot to attach your list! lol!
>>562052283yes, silver has canonically fucked abrams
>>562052086Celeste is alright too.Silver & Apollo suffers from early game success, lack of utility later in the game. Which is fine in theory but usually that means the most kill chasing egomaniac niggers pick them, especially Apollo. Also while Apollo gives of the impression of skill it's a really braindead playstyle also.Rem enables the steal everything playstyle which also is annoying in matchmaking.Graves is autopilotSometimes it really feels like the devs have no clue what they're doing. Until now it's made somewhat sense but this shit is just stupid. It's a moba movement shooter hybrid, but a lot of these heroes just kill the movement shooter part.
>>562052479*pegged
>>562052505>Sometimes it really feels like the devs have no clue what they're doing
>>562052505I agree with everything you said except about Celeste, she is incredibly obnoxious to play against and is basically everything wrong with Apollo, but she scales even better.>>562052236Graves player spoted
ONLY phantom 3 and up players can reply after this post.
With the current balance you should be able to avoid 3 heroes
>>562029473>Mcginnis & Doormathese are my two mains & they both take infinitely more skill than m1ggers
>>562052641How about you get a button that doesn't do anything, best we can do. Small indie studio.
>>562052641A draft mode is necessary to counteract how unpleasant it is to play against retard-proof characters like Graves, Celeste, Apollo, Wraith, and Rem without hard counters to them.
>>562051858>game feels like it ranks you up easier than it ranks you down.precisely, the devs are desperate to inflate the amount of people in higher ranks, its virtually impossible to actually significantly rank down, oh whats that you lost 3 games in a row and went down from rank 6 to 5? here, have a pity win, ooh you are back up again!
>>562052690Clearly theyre focusing on the Risk of Rain mode now, everything else is an afterthought
>>562052641>>562052727Graves was nerfed to the ground tho
goodnight everyone i am going to bed very sad thinking about victor
I'm eternus btw
>before>if you wanted value you had to hit skillshots (charged arrow even if the hitbox was ridiculous you still had to hit it for example and kinetic carbine)>now>game is riddled with AoE free escapes and press one button to nuke everything with no effort needed made an auto aim literally play itself character strong for no reasonwhy did they shift so hard?
>>562052748Might be for the best, 6v6 will be the least popular game mode once they add one or two more + however many more months of these horrendous balance patches and god forbid another batch of new characters
>>562052815>56% winrate>60% pickrate>nerfedsure buddy
Deadlock just isn't the same after Victor got butchered
>>562052841me too lol
>>562052856>why did they shift so hard?They need more characters who are different. Imagine if you were forced to design 100 characters, you'd have a easy time on maybe 10-20 unique ones before things start getting lazy/difficult.
>>562052856>We heard how much players love kelvin beam and the auto aim of haze ult and so we made a gun to reflect that!
I'm initiate btw
Where is my slutty bunnysuit mod for Mo and Krill
>>562052942heh fucking pisslow idiott. SeekerGAWD
>>562052815You don't know what being truly nerfed is like, friend
>>562052869Nigger the nerf has just dropped you're no different then silverfags crying about buffs
>>562052929There are hundreds of characters from different mobas they could've picked, fuck it just take the support/shooter cast from battlerite a good portion they could port over with different names and artstyle obviously.
>>562052942We know. Now be a good little pillow princess for me.
>>562052892im glad someone else understands
>it's the "the only guy with the mic tries to be the captain of the team but no one listens to him so we lose" episode
>>562052990Silver is a hero that just has to be bad for the health of the game. She shouldn't be allowed to be good.
silver is real bros
Where is my slutty bunnysuit mod for Dynamo
Kinda crazy how new heroes are taking precedent over old ones like Holliday legit feels like she's unfinished and then you compare her with the new characters shouldnt they focus on unfinished characters like Sinclair and Holliday instead of releasing new annoying ones?
>>562053118buff Pocket
>>562053046>They could just make lazy slopWow thanks for the suggestion
Doormanbros, how are we doing today?
>Shut down Graves 0-2 in lane>She gets ult>Ults behind tower on cd >Gets my tower and there is nothing I can doPretty fun.
>>562053181i wouldn't ask for that, pocket is only a few buffs away from re-entering pro meta and getting raped again.
>>562053203Better than expected
>>562053208Have you tried shooting the zombies
>>562053252maybe ur right anon. I got raped by an apollo and was hasty with my words
Is there any lane worse than Graves + Rem? I'm actually curious >have to deal with zombies, skulls super buffed troopers AND two people all trying to kill you there cant be a worse lane than this can there?
>>562053118I'm that guy and usually people listens, though it helps if you want people to go mid to give reasoning behind calls "they're 3 dead" or "no dynamo ult", if that doesn't work you gotta start calling out individually and if that doesn't then you gotta let go and go full retard with the team.
in nomine patris, et filii, et spiritus sancti>misses all 3 shots
>>562053320Any two m1ggers if you're playing a close range hero.
why the fuck is there no blademail? that would solve many probme
>>562053320vindicta + wardenbebop + anyonekelvin + anyone
>>562053320Doorman + Vindicta is easily my most dreaded lane combo
>>562053191>le necromancer summoner is peak originalityThey're not even doing anything new here just cancer shit that only works in sp games or top down mobas. Battlerite is a really good game to be inspired by because there is no mana but it's a moba, so it shares a lot of philosophy with deadlock.
>>562053320Any combination of two spirit nukers.
>>562053396There is, it's just shit. Probably the worst item in the game.
>>562053446>>562053418Is there reason for Vindicta? I know the flying is annoying but surely that cant be it?
>>562053472it just needs a T4 upgrade :)
>>562053320Lash + apollo on a side line while playing pocket
>>562053534The Warden combo is because if he successfuly traps you you're stuck in place long enough for Vindicta to get a guaranteed snipe on you
>>562053534vindicta can tether to help the warden cage if you see both of them together
>>562053534A lot of heroes have no way to punish her for it and she'll out-trade their guns with the buffed damage from flight.
>>562029473It probably won't happen to me, since I'm usually the McGinnis
>>562053607also this is actually extreme rape tech if you have bros you want to rape together with btw
>>562029760>top kills, damage, healing on losing team despite horrendous farm and itemizationThe downplay continues, most carried hero in the game
>fighting geist>have her low, she's using cover>don't get close because her ult is up and I'm not a retard>warn celeste next to me not to dive her because her ult is up>look away for a few seconds to shoot troopers>"I AM REBORN">celeste_death_scream.oggI need to stop avoiding Geist and just start queueing her instead because I have to deal with this shit every other game man
>>562053451Dude this is pathetic. Does graves play like the Necromancer from Diablo 2?>Hurr just port heroes from other games because I need more slop now
>>562053148omg... she's me
all my games looked like this tonight.
>>562053758add to that >have a DOT on her
>>562053793i've seen enough, nerf random ume musume character
Worst thing that can happen to you in this game is one of your characters getting buffed.
Buying Mina expensive gifts!Taking Mina out to expensive restaurants! Feeding Mina a pint of your own blood every month!Marrying Mina so you can do this for the rest of your life!
>>562053793>>562053846Why the fuck does this have have so many Umamusume mods
>Graves>Rem>Mikuginnis>Doorman>Kelvin>VictorIs this the team comp to make someone kill themselves?
>>562053962there's one guy who dedicates himself to porting umas to every game he plays.
>>562053961I want Mina to become my sugar mommy
>>562053320Vin Ivy as Mo and Krill
I dont care if silver is OP or UPI just thinks shes a lame hero. Lame to play. Lame design. Lame Lore. Lame ass ugly out of place ass POS of a hero
>>562054310don't forget she also stinks and is poor
>>562053279Doorman gun is shit.
>>562053823I had Spirit Burn by then because between her, the billy, and the rem, it was that kind of game. She wasn't quite low enough for it to get her dead thoughShe ran into a jungle veil and I was smart enough not to walk into that shit, unfortunately Celeste was notShe's just an obnoxious hero to fight because she has insane sustain and if you get her low she'll instantly reverse the situation, and if you stay out of her ult range odds are some greedy retard will dive her and give it to her for freeI know she's not the strongest hero in the game but she's the one that annoys me the most to fight
>threads so dead this is the op. >troon discussionnot beating the sar shill allegations
>>562054425This thread has been terrorized by troon shipping and spamming their headcanon for weeks if you know a janny or some shit please ask them to clean this shit up it's abhorrent.
>>562053758>fighting geist as sinclair>walk up to her and just stand in front of her when she's low>sucks me>copy her and suck her back>bolt herI love em dude sinclair could stay the same and I wouldnt even complain desu
>>562054425Mina, Paige, Silver and Celeste were all mistakes
>>562054167Heh You'd be her blood sugar daddy
>>562054389Vindicky players owe me this pov.
i want to tear out mina's throat with my teeth, i would surely not have to eat for a good few days after i've salted and prepared her corpse like a particularly stringy piece of jerky
>Killing blows with Killing Blow doesn't build or maintain ragenice game deadtards
>>562049082>The one time tarakanovich doesn't add a cute little cock Disappointing.
>>562055172Drifter...
>>562053693*dispels magic*
>>562055239He stops being angry after killing people retard.
>>562055346you and your lane partner both going to rush dispel magic?you still get to enjoy tether into cuck cage into dying until you get those 3200 souls
>>562054310Well, I'll have to make up for your shit taste by loving her more thenI love her fun role, I love her model, I love her lore and her character, I think she's perfectWhat NOW faggot
>>562055471>laning stage*buys monster rounds, pushes wave, refuses to trade at all and runs off doing boxes and small camps*
>>562055471we both bought egg
Why the fuck werent Apollo, Vindicta and Celeste nerfedApollo literally can not be killed if he presses 3 and aims in random direction
>>562055627unkillable but also does no damage
I WON'T FALTER!
>>562055627he falls off late game so yoshi thinks that makes it okay for him to rape you in lane, enjoy it for the next month
One thing i find very exhausting about laning is the timings. I know the timings, i know there's a camp at 2, buff at 5, another camp at 6, sinners at 8, and i want to be able to do these things as soon as possible, but i'm dependent on my lane partner knowing what they're doing, knowing when we need to hard push the wave, knowing not to take a horrible trade just before objectives spawn, knowing that i'm not going to be there so they don't push wave and also don't overextend. I basically need to say literally everything i'm going to do on the microphone constantly to make sure my teammate doesn't kill themselves, and very often they just get pissed at me for doing it, but what the fuck other choice do i have?
>>562055721>muffled FACE ME AND DIE>this comes out of veil
>>562055721I'm so tired of the bunnysuits desu, where are the regular ass shirtless mods
>>562055732It's a horrible design choice in general to have like 80% of the cast fall off lategame. "Spirit meta" my ass, the fate of the game is decided on which team gets the fed m1gger carries
>>562055627>ApolloWhat does he even do>VindictaFine>CelesteGut this faggot hero why did they rebuff her movement
A lot of the heroes I like have been nerfed to be either lose their independence, or be total shit
>>562055810Fully nude Abhrams with floppy cock and balls physics came out today as well
>>562055823>>Apollo>What does he even doA good Apollo rapes lane then goes to gank other lanes but is on a countdown to finish the game before 30 minutes
>>562055771I just use the various voice lines in game "I'll be right back" "going to shop" "pull back", also if it's a cancer lane like graves mirage I let them know I'll just shove till I get ult in text chat.If they're too retarded to pick up on that then that's life.
This is a Graves buff, she maxes 3 anyways so her Jar is online faster. This also helps split pushing because towers will eat the resistance debuff.
>>562053208>doesn't buy monster roundsKill yourself retard
>>562055627>Apollohe is cucked to spirit damage and falls off too hard, luckily yoshi is buffing what little weapon damage he has on his kit, but he is still one dimensional. I expect him at some point to get split scaling on stuff.>VindictaShe actually was buffed into being a attractive option again only recently, why complain.>Celestecan do whatever the fuck she wants thanks to barrier and movement, im not exactly sure what you can do outside of release a competing character to her
>>562055627Press slowing hex.
>>562053320Dyanmo + bebop/lashThey can sync up their ults
>>562055627>presses one button in lane phase>deals 300 damage to you and flies backwards for a free escape
>>562055819This is just by design. Dota has always had a very dnd-esque approach to magic vs physical, where magic damage characters are better early to mid, but then late in the game are mostly about crowd control and utility, while physical damage dealers just become damage-dealing gods. Gun is always going to have the better carries.
>>562056042>im not exactly sure what you can doIncrease her gravity and reduce her air control. It's cool she has unique movement but she shouldn't effectively have a movement ability up at all times. And then cut the numbers on her abilities again. Maybe take the silence on her shield and put it on the T2 upgrade for it so she isn't as ridiculously privileged.
>>562056129I can't wait until Lash and Bebop get actual zipline conversations
>>562055627>VindictaJust buy 6 anvils, no I'm not joking
>two characters have a rivalry>this means they're gay for each other>two characters are close friends>gay>two characters hate each other>gayHate modern fandoms
>>562056265>modern
>>562055810Bunnysuit slop is supposed to appeal to straight men, not gay men.
>>562056265You are not ready for the sheer amount of Graves x Mina enemies into lovers yuri that is going to flood the community once they get voice interactions
>>562056265weird how 99% of these ships come from a specific race of people just noticing a pattern here
It's time for men
>>562056405I wouldn't call Americans a race, or even human.
>>562056265>modernshippers have existed since at least the 60s, just look at the women who would make spock and kirk gay for each other
>>562056459Me in the middle
>>562056265>character has established she likes men because she's gotten two divorces and wants her tubes tied so she can be coomed in >erm she's actually gay tho????
not even key player after doing this, fuckkkkkk
>>562056649mvp system heavily favors objective damage
>>562056593thats lash u idiot
>>562056265Thankfully they're just a loud minority that gets bullied into suicide.Weak ah niggas
>>562056619Ermmmm bisexuality is a thing, chud????
>>562056265Faggots are 1-5% of the population yet feel the need to project their sexuality to the entire world. >b-but womenywnbaw
love seeing the silhouette of silver's cute tail through walls when she's on my team
>>562056742I dont get that shit>character is 100% straight>no they must be bisexual>they've shown no interest in the same gender but they just ARElike ship all you want but when they treat that shit like fact and demand the devs/people change it to fit their deranged ships is where it crosses a line (see the Steven Universe fandom)
Can vampires get preggers?
is seven the most honest character in the game?
>>562057002according to twilight ye
everyone shut the fuck up and post cute rems
I'm shitlow support, learning the gameIn lane phase, my general calculus is only get in fights if we have a health advantage and I have cooldowns ready. If I'm low, and/or if I don't have skills or actives ready I am simply not going to engage.The most common criticism I get across all my heroes is that I end up just watching my lane partner lose fights because I'm not going to go in if it's likely I die doing it. Is this a healthy reflex? Is there a point at which I am simply griefing my teammates by trying to play too safe?
>>562056714I guess that's fair then, I gave up on the towers after I died twice during lane and started farming, during mid to late game I just started killing everyone with grenades and the beam lolNew players just don't know how to deal with Kelvin it seems
>>562057064Nobody cares about fucking twilight.Vampires are undead. They dont breed
Why do so many vtubers play this game?
>>562057052It's actually Billy. An 800 item is all you need to counter him and he doesn't have guaranteed stun like Abrams
>>562057175Why can't undead breed?
>>562057181Deadlock is the current thing so that's where all the viewers are
>>562057219Because the whole point is they reproduce through blood like a disease. They are an abomination that perverts that natural order
>>562056927no... silver........
>get my main for 22 games in a row>carry my last game really hard>matchmaking now decides to put me on my low prio hero i have a 30% winrate on>our team is equally as bad, we are 0-22 kills 15min in>take the ban so our team can all leave>lobby was 3 numbers higher than my own rankwhat is this fucking matchmaking man
>>562057273But that's the fun part, deadlock barely HAS any viewers or interest on twitch.
>>562057124Don't think in accordance to your hp necessarily (though that matters in not dying) but think in according to lane pressure. Laning is about killing the enemy guardian and making sure yours survive. Or at least getting enough souls to start roaming.
>>5620573361/23 is good odds. Whats your fucking specific problem? Maybe you should be able to play more than 1 hero?
>>562057124You got a fucking gun, a punch and parry. You obviously wanna go in to press your buttons but you can also engage without them.
>>562056725I'm literally Lash
>>562057175If vampires can pee and poo they can breed because that implies normal bodily functions so yes vampires CAN get pregnant zombies cant tho
>>562057336deserved for being a onetrick
>>562056649>kelvinyou simply do not deserve the MVP
>>562057520>If vampires can pee and pooThey can't. Who said they could? They are literally magic you dingus
>>562057002only by werewolves with alcohol addictions
>>562057124So this is the mentality of my lane partner that stands at guardian while our minions push in and I get both of them low
>>562057515small worldi love u so much
>>562057425i have an 85% pickrate on my mainif the game wanted me to diversify it should forcibly do it more often or don't do it at all. this awkward middle ground where i get a different hero every ~30 games is retardedi would have gladly waited another 15 minutes in queue if i could get my mainbut regardless why am i in a higher rank lobby if the game knows i'm absolutely shit at the hero
Vampire bats defecate and urinate while feeding so if Mina or Drifter took a bite out of you they'd shit their pants at the same time
>>562057374its 22nd on twitch right now with none of the big streamers online
>>562057684Not the games fault you need to be handrailed into getting good. Show some foresight next time
Alright, explain why I should buy thisIt just seems pointless and you're better off just getting a good yellow + green separately
>>562057690Vampire bats aren't vampires. They are real life animals beholden to biology
>>562057397To give some tips you can follow instead of being a passive cuck:When you get ult that's usually a power spike that can result in a kill, especially if you get it first before enemy lane.At minute 6 you can fast zip line so it's worth making a risky play because you can come back fast and not lose tower.If lane is shoved to their tower it's easier to harass them as you have time to recover hp should things go south.Some matchups you just wanna shove lane others it's better to dive enemy constantly, if you're playing Apollo you need to constantly attack in lane phase for example.
>>562057786It's better than extra regen in lane if you can aim, or if you dont need to aim (graves)
>>562057869Vampires turn into vampire bats
was a 600mb patch to nerf her really worth it
>>562057786>its better to get 2 items instead of 1
>>562057786You shouldn't>>562057869Then explain why they're called VAMPIRE batsCheckmate I accept your concession in advance
>>562056265retard
>>562058064Cocksucker
>>562057782when the game gives me the same hero for 50+ games in a row multiple times clearly their system is not working as intended
>>562058064Signing your posts is against the rules.
>>562058013Because they drink blood. The vampire myths existed long before science got off its ass and started naming things.Vampire bat is just the common name for a few different species of bats that drink blood. It's the name plebs use to describe them, not a proper scientific label.Like a Wolf Spider isn't anything like a wolf is it?
>>562057786If you can aim well and time your shots for whenever it's up 50hp every 5 seconds is basically a permanent 10hp/s which is more then abrams can even do, the problem is that it's hard>gravesIt's way easier now but you need to get close, which if you have low hp is a problem, in an early game fight it's a nice 50~100 extra hp each fight that can help you not die
>>562058114Oh if only you could I dunno, prioritize a different hero? >THE GAME GAVE ME THE CHARACTER I ASKED FOR? WTF IS THIS?
>>562058198>Like a Wolf Spider isn't anything like a wolf is it?It SHOULD beImagine if we got a werewolfspider instead of just a werewolf
>>562058285the game should give low prio heroes more often
>>562056589He's retarded>>562056619>wants her tubes tied so she can be coomed inThat's not why she wants to tie her tubes secondary-kun, and bold of you to assume cannon means shit, just look at the coom mods where giest has big boobas, no one cares about the cannon, and justifiably so, if someone started REEEEEing because the female bunnysuit mods are not cannon I'd call them a faggot
>>562058247>more then>>562058434>giest>cannon>cannon
Why is arguing with women and trannies such a fool's errand, why can't they just understand no one wants to see their high school tumblr shipping, the population of anonymous imageboards has to be 80+% male surely.
The tiny patches that exist only to nerf a single hero tells me someone on the dev team got their shit rocked and had a hissy fit.
>It's another game Graves and Rem game>It's another melee Venator chunks you for half HP with one combo game >It's another Shiv forces you to buy dispel otherwise a few knives just kill you game>It's another your team has no teamfight ults but the enemy team has Seven and Dynamo game>It's another Mirage or Wraith doing literally anything on the enemy team gameIs this the most miserable state this game has been in? Even frenzy Yamato / Warden and OG Shiv meta was better than this
>>562058756youre a projecting retard
>>562058735>Guys you'd better not do this thing I'm telling you upsets me and takes no effort on your part, I swear I'm going to fucking melt down and I can't do anything to stop you so you'd better not
>>562058836You're*
>>562058434why is this dumbass comparing canon voicelines to mods where did you even get mods from shippers are legit mentally ill you call out their ships and they go batshit
>>562058756Gravestards deserve nothing nice
>>562058861That's not my point at all but thank you for proving that you're a hylic.
The amount of insults that get thrown around in this general seem to skyrocket late at night, it must be thirdie hours.
>>562058756Reddit was spamming Spongebob memes about her so they rushed out an emergency patch.
>>562058434>secondaryeat shit mr faggot i've been playing this game since 2024 there was no shipping nonsense the best you had was Ivy there was no "WAS GEIST ACTUALLY LE GAY FOR LE PARADOX????" nonsense go eat shit
>>562058991eu does tend to be more toxic...
>>562058991Worse than that. It's Australian hours
>>562058991na does tend to be more toxic...
I hate internet fags so much as a fag it's unreal
>>562058861kek
>>562057745>6k viewersyeah like I said, nothing
sa does tend to be more toxic...
>>562058823Flying meta when vindicta was even more OP and talon was viable
i like giest because you can just stand there and tank a walker its really fair and fun and makes me happy to play the game
>>562059296>giest>>562058531
I ship my mouth with silver's puffy cookie
antarctica does tend to be more toxic...
>>562059296Lady Geist GODS owned your ass
I'm a seeker and vent my feelings about the game here.
>>562059337Throat cancer :(
Bring back Solo lanes
Why does Abrams basically get Victor's aura except with no downsides
>>562058823>doesn't know how to counter buyyou deserve to suffer
I'm Eternus 6 and play in DLNS and vent my feelings about the game here.
>>562059434we know goober
>>562059360I'm also trans btw
>>562059434you'll get em next time goober
>>562059479And before you ask YES my favorite hero is Silver.
>>562059434We know metro
>>562059434Please continue first picking Silver Goober she clearly deserves it!
>>56205933741% yourself as soon as possible tranny
>>562059428>Oh you have any problem with the game? Just counterbuy bro!Biggest midwit response, there are hard and soft counters, and some heroes require more counters than other, is that difficult for your subhuman mutt self to grasp?
>>562059401Creatively bankrupt, genuinely
Just got 1.2k words done on my Silver smutFinished up with the sex scene now, barring another editing passOr at least the human half of it anyway
its called deadlock because it will be dead when valve abandons it like overlords and artifact and the servers will be permanently locked
>>562059884gonna be sad when it happens in 60 years
>>562059884This but with Marathon
>>562059884This but Rivals
so is graves good or bad now
>>562060101She's _____
>>562060101BadThrow pick
They should make it so Doorman is deathly afraid of Maurice
This is just a reminder that I am the KING of Deadlock!
Why is she so fucking useless? Every time she's on my team, we lose. Every time she's on the enemy team, they lose.
>>562060342Being constantly bullied is getting to her, she's losing her edgeBe kinder please
>LIFTINGHow do you respond without sounding mad?
is Holliday the most useless character? I have never seen her in a game in ages
>>562060342She's a early/mid game tempo hero so if you don't dominate hard with her you auto-lose by the end game. Like the big issue in the late game is that the carries are scary enough to oneshot you before you can trigger wolf form.
>>562059401It's even more grim for Warden, his entire ult is just Abram's AoE lifestealThey used to be even more comparable when Abrams lifesteal was a more powerful cone
>>562060342She's used to taking on common crooks. Her getting the shit beat out of her once she's in the big leagues is sadly in character.
>>562060551Don't worry they'll rework her soon and everyone will hate her and she'll get nerfed into uselessness again.
>>562060554>She's a early/mid game tempo hero so if you don't dominate hard with her you auto-lose by the end game. What a retarded fucking concept
>>562060509just counterspell it unc
russians shouldn't be allowed to play this game
>>562060684In a more balanced meta it could maybe work, but all games nowadays tend to go 30+ minutes so hypercarry players are automatically favoured (except victor who got took out back and shot lmao)The comeback mechanics are way too strong as well but we aren't ready to talk about that.
>>562060864>The comeback mechanics are way too strong as wellI don't think I agree50k+ blowouts feel so common
>>562060607many such cases! imo they should just make her barrels actually scale better late in the game
fun fact: haze's ult lasts 11 seconds and metal skin lasts 4 secondsdo the math
>>562060980Even pro-er tip: you don't have to keep standing in haze ult after metal skin wears off
>>562060980Anvil takes 1.5s
>>562061036PHANTOM STRIKE
So what are our thoughts on the pve map?
>>562061108Damn, to think she spent 6.4k on an item you can counter with a 3.2k Warp StoneNot your problem though, right? Or... is it still? Because you didn't buy it?
>>562060342Played her since day 1. She used to be OP when she released, but she was fairly balanced in mid February. After the big shakeup patch she's straight up a throw pick. Not only because they nerfed her, but also because they buffed almost everyone else. I don't play her anymore because it feels like devs are abusing her and people don't understand how hard she is to play now compared to the vast majority of the cast.
>>562061174mite b fun
>>562061174Boring meme shit but then again I played brawl for 3 games and dropped it afterwards so I'm biased.Just of the opinion that they should focus on the main game mode before anything else.
>>562061230no, because haze will start ult where you're standing, you need warp stone to make distance, and then you can just phantom strike to close the distance again, killing the person
>>562061174Feels too small to be a risk of rain clone
>>562061292Oh, so you sold your metal skin you bought earlier?OK yeah that is your problem then
NERF HAZEThis character is only played by smurfs and aimhackers
i just buy cursed relic on haze i have yet to meet someone who lives through it
>>562061416tales from archon
>>562060342Dumb mutt is only good for shipping now
killing silver gives me immense sexual gratification, to the point where I now associate violence on canines with sexual pleasure. also I main rem
>>562061574gay
>>562061574straight
>>562061574Third worlder post
>>562061517>Dumb mutt is only good for shipping nowAre you going to post proof of that? Because I'm not seeing it.
APRIL REMODEL UPDATE??????
Why are all deadlock arts just yuri?
>>562061718>he doesn't know
>>562061770>>562061718Its in may
>>562061694Turn off the sfw mode my guy
>>562061767too many tumblroids
>>562061767Cause it's hot
Valve goes to hawaii in aprilSo they either drop it tbe first week or in may
>>562062014Why do they all go to hawaiiwhat are they doing on the island
>>562062069training
>>562061174what is it even going to be? wave defense?
>>562061174What are the chances they are gonna turn it into MvM 2?
They should just rework jar of skulls into something less irritating and the Graves would be fine.
>>56206225499%
>>562062263how about they remove graves from the game? along with apollo, rem, celeste, mginnis, victor, wraith, calico, and haze?
>>562062321You're hired.
>>562062268Can’t wait to get kicked from the lobby because I used non-meta/broken character
what did I do to deserve ruskie teammates
>>562062321Were buffing all these heroes and removing Silver
>>562062423Who are you kidding?Russians are way better at the game than you, europoor
>>562062469
>this current meta will be the same for a whole 'notha monthget comfy anons
>The "people" known for cheating are way better than youYeah so are the chinese
Are they cheating in the pro scene too?Why there is no full euro team?LMAOOOO
>>562062514sex with whatever that is
if you dont rape your lane as bebop then your sticky bombs may aswell not exist for the next 30 minutes, they need some sort of extra thing on them rather than pure damage
>>562062491>Russians are way better at the game than you, europoorTHEN WHY DID WE LOSE WHY DID WE LOSE IF THEY'RE SO GOOD? WHY DID WE LOSE YOU FUCK FUCKING CUNT WHY? THEY'RE SO GOOD? SOOOOOOO GOOD? WHY DID THEIR LADY GEIST GO FUCKING 59K SOULS BY 20 MINS YOU WINDBAG CUNT FUCK WHY? WHY DID WE LOSE? ONE OF THEM WAS A FUCKING GRAVES FOR FUCKSAKES. A GRAVES. AND WE STILL LOST? THEIR FUCKING MCGINNIS HAD 20K MORE SOULS THAN THAT GRAVES. SO WHY'D WE FUCKING LOSE? THEY'RE BETTER THAN ME RIGHT? WHY COULDN'T 5 OF THEM FUCKING WIN THIS ONE, SINGLE, FUCKING MATCH FOR ME? CUNT. CUNT. CUNT.
I'm currently on a break from working, shitting on a toilet. I open the thread from yesterday just to see people thinking some other agitated guy was me kekIt fills me with joy to see my impact on anons in here. Livin' rent free, love it. Proud like a father.>t.Gorth (your favourite Graves schizo) xoxo
>>562062883meds
Russians are like 95% of the Dota players, probably the same with DEI-lock, so if you ban russians the game dies
>>562062883>the raped after virtually experiencing the BRC(big russian cock)
>>562063104WE GOT RAPED. WE. AS IN ME, MYSELF, AND THE RUSSIANS. CUNT >>562062975FUCK OFF
>>562063129meds. now.
the dota patch is fucking tragic give us icefrog back you thugs
>>562063225jus wait till icefrog gives us our next dota2 character reference, a black man who only communicates by screaming named marky to join pocket, ivy, and bebop
>>562062505We should seriously check Valve for a canine abuse.They straight up bully Silver since March
do girls play deadlock? what's the ratio like?
Wait the new schizo is still ragin'. I should create an avenger type team for us. I gotta go back to working now but I'm keen to see if he goes full out later on.Graves schizo out
>>562063129>>562062883So satisfying to see europoors getting gaped not only IRL by Muhammads but also by Russians on the internet
how come only some of the boxes respawn after 2 minutes?
>>562063416Well, someone has to keep the bitch in check.If they didn't do it, who would?
>>562063534yes, but all the girls are generally at the bottom end of the ranking so idk how common they actually are.
>>562063534>women>playing moba games
>>562063702I have seen women in high phantom and ascendant
>women playing video games Nobody tell him that was a troon with a voice changer
>>562063774there is plenty of actual bait for regular women in this game, like mina, rem, victor, and paige
How the god damn fuck does anybody struggle against graves skulls?Takes less than a second to kill them all, even quicker with riccochet. The rest of her kit is way more annoying
>>562063871I know, I've played with a couple in phantom before. One of them complimented me 1v1ing a mina as pre-qol calico. I said nothing in response.
>>562064021The stupid are also the loudest
>>562063534Yesterday I had to deal with a Brazilian woman trying to give orders on mic, very unusual and embarrassing
Nerf the aimbot hero
>>562064021you don't, the skulls have a shit interaction with kelvin beam and some other stuff though.they also can float downwards from elevation and be just outside of the melee hitbox hitting youecho 1 is actually the graves support build core though
>>562064246co-op vs bots, right? RIGHT?
>>562055550I mean. If one never mentally developed past age 13 then sure, i could see how one could think that.Maybe a little sad but ultimately pointless to argue with the developmentally disabled.
>>562063671>If they didn't do it, who would?Holliday
>>562064547>HollidayThat nerfed bitch couldn't keep a 300 ping BR sinclair main in check
>yeah every hero has to aim except this one>also her abilities are pretty strong
>>562064547Who was in the wrong here?
>>562064510I would accept your concession but you didn't even have the dignity to admit you were providing oneI win
>>562064885SOMEONE TURN THAT WOLF INTO A RUG!!!!!
>>562064801>change it to bebop laserok i fixed it you can hire me icefrog
>>562062850I think they need to remove it's stupid hit scaling that never amounts to more than like 15 stacks and add some kind of better effect. Like if it hits 2 or more heroes ground them.
>>562062850They need to give him back self cast bombs, just make it so he can't have 2 on himself at once. Have the first one drop off when he places a second, or straight forbid him casting when self targetedThey added the bomb dropping mechanic anyway.
>>562064295Unironically a bad player leaving just makes the game easier, I've felt this multiple times beforeLess feeding, souls distributed across less people means you scale fasterIf you can ever wrangle 9 people for it, I've found that 3v6 games turn the 3 players into raidbosses if they don't have boots feeding free kills to the team with 6 playersI think if valve added vote kicking a lot of lobbies would see their teams vote kicking people that have negative KDAs at the ten minute mark and playing from there
>>562065130>I think if valve added vote kicking a lot of lobbies would see their teams vote kicking people that have negative KDAs at the ten minute mark and playing from thereFirst 10 minutes barely matter unless they are 0/10 or some shit. Many cases where I've gone from 0/4 to carrying the game.
>>562065130there is a video of 3 pros versus like 6 eternus 1 players but i didn't watch to see if they won.solo lane income is really strong
>>562065130bad player>>562065383good player
>>562064937Honey, this isn't gonna work out well for you
>>562064867holliday cause she is smaller and weaker her and silver should eat her
>>562065687hot
>>562065383>First 10 minutes barely matterIdk why people say this so confidently, they matter a lotWhen I look at the top of my screen and realize there's a 0/7/0 Mina laning with a 0/6/0 Celeste, and then a hyperfed Sinclair of all fucking things comes to my lane and instantly kills the vindicta laning with me with a 15k soul lead vexing bolt and now I'm laning against 3 people, I don't really feel like those 10 minutes didn't matterEspecially not when I see the Mina spending the rest of the game eating all the farm just to die instantly to ganks and drop huge bags for the enemyIf the first ten minutes don't matter why wouldn't you just go AFK for them?
>>562065941>First 10 minutes barely matter...>...unless they are 0/10 or some shit.
>>562065941Good team wins, bad team loses. Good player can make comeback from negative lane, bad player can't carry with positive lane. You were in the bad team and would be unlikely to win even if that lane fed less.
>>562066196There is ALWAYS someone going 0/7, in every fucking gameI've genuinely won matches in 13 minutes because the most retarded man alive ran it down dying almost as quick as physically possibleAnd I've lost in 18 minutes because I look two lanes over and realize I got the retard that towerdives full health people to shoot someone at 1/3rd hp behind the guardian0/7 is pretty normal
>>562066326I managed to drag that match out to 61 minutes if I remember it right but no amount of effort on my part could overcome the enemy team having a 60k soul lead because we had 3 feedersBut yeah, I'm mostly on about this because I had a 3/5 seven(which isn't even that bad but whatever) ragequit after literally everyone on the team spammed "Retreat" while running from a teamfight and his dumbass stayed.And it took me like 5 minutes to even notice the D/C because the match just went that much more smoothly after losing him.
>>562066418>>562066648Such is shitlow. You need some luck with team mates to win.
the teammate RNG is so brutal in this game I just focus on learning heroes and trying to enjoy myself
>>562065941A lot depends on what exactly happened, which is why you can generally afford to be hyperaggresive in first two minutes because even if you die the enemy gets fuck all and it's easy to get the money back and it's a good way to feel out how good your enemy is. If you die three times to a guy nearly instantly and then kill him once at ten minutes, you're actually ahead on money, assuming you managed to not die more during the laning phase against a guy who has like 600 souls over you.If you keep dying through the entire lane, missing waves, not keeping up pressure and allowing the enemy to farm freely while you're doing fuck all, it starts becoming a huge problem.
This ends now!>teammate scream>teammate scream>teammate scream>teammate scream>Haze needs to be contained!
I kinda like the change to graves gun t3, she is like moving debuffer and i didn't play gun anyway, I really need a true minion hero and she is now the closest thing
You fuckers are LAY-ZYNew:>>562067460>>562067460>>562067460
>>562067013>If you die three times to a guy nearly instantly and then kill him once at ten minutes, you're actually ahead on moneyNot reallyAssuming you somehow died 3 times in the first second, and then killed the other guy you'd get about 737 souls for a kill at 10 minutes while each of their three kills nets them 250 for 750 altogetherAnd that's not really accounting for the time you're spending on a respawning or attacking them instead of getting last hits, falling even more behindAnd ofc once they have an entire items worth of a lead on you it's easy for them to creep further ahead by stealing your farm and sinnersI'm not saying you can't come back from a bad laning phase, I'm just saying the phase of the game does matter
>>562067851You're forgetting the killstreak bounty.
>>562035637>Sam and MaxHoly based
>>562053165the initial wave of hero labs characters are flopsits as simple as that
