last thread lasted almost 2 weeks bwos

lets shoot for three

the BIGGEST and the most IMPORTANTEST question in ALL of maplestory:::::

23 dom -> 22 sup -> 23 -> sup -> 22 sos
or
24 dom -> 23 sup -> 22 sos
??????????

>>562528391
there's a reddit post for this, like someone actually did the math idk google it

The first option.

>>562528391
25 dom

>>562528391
22 dom > 21 sup> tap sup to 22> transfer to sos> tap sos

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Would /msg/ pay the 5k meso?

i can draw my own

Inkwell, hear our voice. Listen to our cries. We need no less than one thousand frags per week on heroic. Obtainable through daily check-ins. Otherwise the server will die as it's unsustainable.
- The Heroic GMS Community

Oh yeah? Prove you can draw it.

>You cannot change the Legion Preset because there's been a change to a Legion Member. Please rearrange the Legion members of present number #
no there hasn't + kys

Frag distribution is fine. Maybe, MAYBE they could make the drop rate a bit more generous for grinding.
Play the game.

(it's not fine)

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>"burst" class
>main attack and set ups are already over a third of the damage
>"burst" skill is less than 10%
i hate fusion so much, just delete this already
they better in the summer remaster

>>562536016
Lol go tell anyone in maple official discord or reddit to grind 14 hrs per week for 1k frags and they'll fucking lynch your ass for being an autist.

Spoken like degenerate daily story gamers. Play. The. Game.
What, you expect symbols to be done in a month too?

delete dpm classes

Symbols get boosted by events and are handed out generously. Pretty much the opposite of frags.

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my house kinda packed

trash the christmas stuff. you're 3 months late already

I've had the christmas house up for like 2 years now
if there was saved presets I'd be more likely to switch
speaking of who is gonna use the saitama house

Or he's 7-8 months early. Ever thought of that? Maybe he's nordic where its practically winter all year long.

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my father's lineage is norwegian, I do be fairly viking ish, (god tier beard genes) but I'm in Texas where we shut down when it gets below freezing like God intended
its only saturday and im like done with all my boss mules snoozefest

Least you arent Finnish, or worse, Swedish. Least the fins have a charm to their autism and make decent vidya.

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my summer car and unreal world are very good finnish games I've enjoyed
perkele

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my boyfriend is norwegian, is being gay also in their genes?

seanigs on a finnish vpn be like yeah im a european nordic from texas

I've known two schmucks from Norway and they were both bi curious at one point, so id say maybe to some extent.

More resistance reworks when. I wanna play blaster but I also like having functioning wrists.

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So how is a new players supposed to pick a class? Im looking at class showcases and all of them look the same because the entire screen is filled with bullshit and xboxheuge numbers. Is there like a detailed class breakdown anywhere that I can read?

>>562543447
you pick one that looks cool and you play it and if it plays like shit you pick another and you repeat until you find your main

>>562543706
Yeah that's kind of what I was expecting. Unfortunately I have heard that the two classes I sorta wanted to play (Evan and Mechanic) are apparently not very good.

>>562543829
you want to make an evan sooner or later anyway but yeah prob dont main either of those two

>>562543829
Right now Ren/Bowmaster/Hayato/Kanna are FOTM/meta. Some good classes are Mo Xuan, Sia, and Lynn. Everything else is a tier below and requires double the investment to kill the same bosses.

>>562544019
I actually had one a long time ago, but that character is apparently deleted for some reason. The only characters left on my account are two lvl 100 Zero's, which is pretty baffling. I don't know why I would ever make two of those.

>>562544072
Thanks

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Make a kanna! It has the best class mascot in the game.

i want to be at the boardroom where someone pitched kanna's yuri harem and the executives approved it

Thats why I made my kanna a dude.

>>562543447
you end up having to raise them all to at least 260 anyways due to legion, so

>>562543829
i haven't gotten mechanic to 5th yet but it seems decent for mobbing at least, but yeah definitely don't invest in an evan unless they magically revamp it down the line to make it not suck ass and not obtuse and retarded as fuck to play

>>562543829
I have a 620M bowmaster friend soloing ckalos with the same clear time as a 750M CP evan guildie. Definitely do not touch that shit class with a mile long pole.

is kanna fun

>>562548475
I don't trust reg clears

>>562549342
Reboot clears are literally the same thing but with CP scaled differently.

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>>562549158
Depends on what you consider "fun". Kanna's playstyle is basically one button for both burst and mini burst + spam four keys for 90% of your burst damage. Then off burst is just softly shooting out toilet paper and tapping one or two skills every 20s.

old wh was ass to play, idc if its burst was "better"

This, I know a 290 wh and looking at him play old wh made me question his sanity for sticking with that shit for so long

it was 1/10th as tedious as doing evan's shit is while doing 1000x the damage

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For a new player what would you suggest between Sia and Kanna? I think I like Sia's aesthetics better but apparently Kanna is the stronger class.

>>562556087
kanna purely because it's a jms class and will get more support than sia

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>>562556220
>jms

>>562556350
it's another region's baby, as opposed to our region's baby, which routinely gets left at the bottom of the pool

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>>562556087
>didn't even get hexa until MONTHS after everyone else did
It's okay now, but for literally any other future patch where mass class revamps happen, who knows how long you will have to wait.

>>562556087
they're both pretty strong, sia is a little more complicated to play and more front-loaded in 6th job
>>562556220
she's chinese now

>>562544072
>bowmaster and ren
>meta

>>562563327
>>562556625
>>562556220
Im still poking around through the classes. The ones I'm interested in are Sia, Lara, Kanna, Ren, Adele, and Archmage. Adele seems very popular.

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>Lara

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>>562564417
>Sia
Wouldn't recommend as a first main since it's a GMS class.
>Lara
Better now but not that strong
>Kanna
OP now, will probably still be okay after the inevitable power creep
>Ren
Okay.
>Adele
Okay.
>I/L or F/P
I/L is always fucking bugged and F/P might as well not exist because they nuked its damage off the face of the earth.

dont tell him to play adele wtf

>>562564417
Adele was a class that was super hyped and overpowered when it came out and a lot of people came back to the game at that time and started playing her which is why she is so dis proportionally popular.
She's a fun class but I wasn't really a fan of how you have to upkeep hunting decree all the time. Visually the class looks fantastic and it's pretty satisfying to pull of the noble summons into aether bloom combo. There's a lot more nuance into getting good at adele than most classes despite her being not that difficult to start with.

>>562563764
>GODmaster
>not the king of the meta hill

bm is overrated shit

>>562564417
>Sia
is really good but it's a maplestory m class so it's waiting on content from that game which makes it unstable in terms of updates. GMS is willing to hold every class back to wait for Sia balance updates though based on recent events so it's less unstable then it sounds
>Lara
Would recommend as a beginner main
>Kanna
Currently giga broken but the strategy from GMS seems to just be updating around the TMS classes (Kanna, Hayato, Mo, Lynn) instead of buffing them with everyone else so they'll probably come down
>Ren
Probably the best beginner main overall, good and rewards fundamentals without being too boring long term like bowmaster
>Adele
There's a lot of Adele's for historical reasons but she actually has a pretty decent skill floor and weird micro. A lot of them are kinda bad wouldn't recommend as a beginner main
>I/L
It's fine? I remember they all hated playing this class but now idk it's supposed to be good now
>F/P
idk it's kind of a balance roller-coaster

>>562564417
lynn is better than lara, havent bothered to touch my kanna or hayato since the revamp yet, adele sucks ass, explorer mages that arent bishop suck ass

Adele is fine, but definitely not a class i'd play first.
Once you get used to more advanced characters, she's decent. I love her aesthetic.
It's hard to pick a third legion champ between her and aran.

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main lara rn

I'm making a lala for cw3.
Who's with me?

again, it really doesn't matter because they will have to make every class for links and legion anyways, and in that process they will find the classes that they like

>>562565247
>Ren
>Okay
Lol it's literally the best class in the game. Some of you don't want to get exposed so hard.

shitters not knowing how to do chip doesn't make hurricane classes broken

Their survivability is what makes them top classes not chip damage. They get to play the game without following any rules, which makes them the fastest weekly boss clearers even at low CP.

>>562566831
>>562567295
>>562566625
>>562567412
>>562565548
>>562565247
Alright, I'm thinking I'll probably go with Lara or Kanna then. Thanks for the help. What type of server do you recommend?

i live in scania and enjoy it very much

>>562569529
If you are a whale then interactive, otherwise just pick heroic which is the actual game everyone plays.

>>562565247
hexa frozen orb is not bugged

>>562569193
bowmaster survivability tools are fake as fuck and ren link+heal does basically nothing out of ctene

the heroic guy hates himself and everyone else all he does is complain about how he doesnt want to play and will never make it despite playing for three years
modern updates keep making the interactive experience better and better because its the only one that exists in the server where we get our updates from

>>562569529
Heroic if you wanna ironman it.
Interactive if you wanna trade.
You can still group in heroic, there's just no trading, among other shit like scrolling and bpots (server gives you extra final damage to compensate). Both have their ups and downs.
Though these days, most just go heroic, including myself.
Personally, nothing wrong with going either.

>they get to play the game without following any rules
Everyone has fountain. Self hp sustain isn't unique to it (BM/Hayato/Kanna all have it). Damage reduction becomes less valuable for later bosses since they either do chip damage where the 6% doesn't even matter, or fuck up your run anyway if you get hit by that attack.
Ren isn't even top dpm in kms until much later when the ring change comes AFTER hecate. wtf are you talking about

>>562570040
yeah yeah we all know you are trying to advertise your frenzy dealer. The actual maple is balanced around having a large player base to keep the meso market rate healthy which GMS interactive does not have the players for.
The actual maple is also balanced around magic wand which interactive also doesn't have (yet heroic pretty much does lol lmao)
>>562570274
If anything Shade is the class that doesn't follow the rules since not only does he have access to stupidly strong on demand healing, but debuff immunity is stupidly good against some bosses. That P3 limbo grab that fucks people over? yeah for some reason that grab is considered a debuff so you can just face tank that attack without getting thrown around the arena as shade. Same for white/black curse in black mage, strings in vhilla etc.

Fountain is irrelevant and situational. Rens self sustain is better than every other class with it. Damage reduction is still great on later bosses to survive chip damage. Not being top DPM doesn't mean anything since its the fastest boss clearer currently. It'll be even more broken during the ring change. The only class more OP right now is the remastered Hayato.

bro is talking about the real end game of doing cslime

anon is embarrassing xirself again

fountain is a more relevant tool to ren in fights where hp death matters than the rest of it's own kit, stop the larp right now

it's not getting nerfed any time soon you don't have to defend a broken busted ass class like your life depends on it lilbro

the real classes with cheater sustain are like lynn bishop shade zero and mihile, ren and bm arguably aren't even top 7 in this regard which is kinda embarrassing to say. you can just say it's for the hurricane lil bro we all know that's why

CW1 was 99% bowmaster
CW2 was 99% ren
They're the top 2 classes right now for a reason. The only embarrassing thing is saying they're somehow not.

bowmaster was played because of mirages making them braindead easy bossers.
Ren was played because they gave you so many freebies with her event that made the whole experience significantly easier compared to playing any other class

you got a billion rewards for making a ren in the ren event and bowmaster stuff actually does something in ctene on top of just being piss easy. neither were particularly strong in either

besides being busted OP yeah they are not particularly strong, just stronger than every other class in the game

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>the most bandwagoned classes for a server that you could use to both grind and clear ctenebris easily are the top class because they were the most bandwagoned

this probably makes a lot of sense if you only play ctene

until they make pitched useless ctene is still the most relevant part of the game

well i dont have hands for anything bigger than hseren and even then i die out half the time
hyperion

you should be required to beat hseren to be allowed to post here

hyperion chads fucked my mom with their hands now im stuck in scania paying $500 per week

this is the plasma heart line
you need a plasma heart to post after this point

this is a solo prog line
you need to be solo prog to post after this point

the twitch clip where the bros say if you joined hyperion you probably want to kill yourself at this point please

I'm like 80-90% sure I could do ekaling on my 150 cum powered main, but i think i'd need gskills and apparently that means I didn't beat the boss if I use gskills.

this guy keeps making more and more excuses lmao

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>until they make pitched useless ctene is still the most relevant part of the game
Nobody tell this guy that they are trying to push whales to the brilliant set already with the release of the new face accessory and second ring. He's gonna freak out.

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>>562573848

brilliant will never replace pitched with those stats lmao

it already kinda has

its only +5 all stat and +5 atk more than pitched, literally needs to be buffed to be relevant

I've been playing reboot since 2019 and it's been almost 7 years now. I'm still struggling to get much progress on pitched items ( one last bh in storage, cfe is 18, dreamy just hit 21 after 5 years of no drops/booms ), and as one of the earlier grandis boss clearers I have managed to get all my eternals to 22 after 38 booms. Meanwhile I know people who've been playing like half the time, are at 10 set with 22+ stars, and have multiple 23/24s on their eternals while being late to a lot of the grandis bosses.

I think the thing that made me really depressed was when my friend- who has played for around 2 years at the time- hit a 23 slime ring prior to the 30 star sf change in like 20 spares, while I never hit mine after 90 booms. In the end, I settled for 24 post change after booming 12 more thereafter but it still haunts me knowing that I probably won't be seeing that 1 additional star anywhere in the near future.

The crazy part is that there are people who've been playing since reboot was first released and are still struggling to get past 7 set pitched.

It really is just RNG at the end of the day.

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I too use my pitched at 0 stars and never touch it in fear of booming.

It's cause the game is balanced around kms where you can buy your gear and the retarded 'go west' devs don't do jack shit to help except maybe throw some scraps in the form of pities which take several months for just 1 fucking piece. For what? In fear of people progressing to the meat of the game over at grandis? Ctene is how old again?
Also I'd drink with that 4 int hero.

wait so the game is balanced around interacting oh my god

gms reg != kms reg

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>>562573434
hi!!!!

stinkwell cant even fix frags being untradable
that was done in kms for the sole purpose of sending a massive middle finger to reboot (or else both wonky and changsup would've been ninja'd by reggas) but had no reason for it to come to heroic
but it's been like 3 goddamn years now yet inkwell doesnt care

Interactive might actually become playable after level 300 when frenzy and BoD stop working.

getting out of ctene takes like 0 time and having pitched or not doesn't even really become a thing that could stop you until maybe limbo

>>562576095
post your plasma heart

why does blud think plasma heart is something hard to get

its not why dont you have one

yu no rike ride or die?
rat about rento gearu?
prease buy more vaccu petto

it's not that's the joke

another class pookaj self own

you spent over $30000 on interactive to buy gear lol

Chang seop gives free perm vac pet and shared cash shop, what the fuck does inkwell give us?

im f2p on reg and i have a plasma heart ermmmm more excuses bro?

stinkwell gives us star specks, and then nerfs them after realizing it takes months for a single restore instead of years

f2p with 25* star items yeah right lmao your some dumbass henehoe that pay2wins just like benny

if your only cope is imagining me as a p2w because no one can possibly get a plasma heart without being paypigging then really that says more about you than anyone else

dude is pushing 40, give him a break
it's all he has

the guy that posted their clear a while ago was on hyperion btw

not a cope because im right benny, nisu, and gotese are all pay2win shitters

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>>562573617
dozo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TONQzX7DGlw

>>562577450
Still better than you at this game

when he gets his pity meso plasma heart im gonna laugh at him even harder

>being a shitter that needs a plasma heart to progress
I'll be fine with my Total Control after soloing Xlot while you are hardstuck on ekaling because you have no bulers.

Conceptually, reboot is just Solo Self Found, and so long as trade limitations between different players are maintained, I don't see any issues loosening restrictions on item movement within an account.
Absolab and Arcane boxes were a step in the right direction, I don't know why they're being so retarded about fragments etc

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You only need one vac pet for either reg or reboot, and the sad part is that it's generally a required purchase unless you hate yourself while grinding. Luckily, our lord and savior Lil Snow only costs 70b, which isn't too bad if you've already used the challenger world jump start to reach hseren funding and acquire most of your drop gear.

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70bil wao it took me 3 weeks to make that

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you can't understand the mind of a gook dev

trying to flex prog you havent done yet the goyim have gone insane

>two bulers on will mission (libbing before crown)
>one buler on lucid mission (libbing this month)
>three bulers around magnus/lotus missions (lib around crown)
>already have two libbed characters
Any cuckworlder is like 2 years behind me already.

I need unrestricted storage on reboot so I can transfer my growing collection of android sexdolls around

Dajdaddy got the whole thread sneedin

>Roll a -4s cd hat w/ usable third line on a class that doesn't really need it
fug

Hyperion is victorious

>solo prog
>look inside
>i have mules libbing
not really

i mean i also do public parties on my mules so it wasnt really solo anyway but

Solo libbed on main and ren+hatato. Yeaah I do parties in mules but it's so rare it's like once every 2 months, still mainly solo libbing them.

basedkadaj, rank 1 solo prog Hyperion

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still cant skip this shit

>>562580564
all classes are cd hat classes now

just did seren champ mission on my ren

there is already destiny libbed ren, better luck next time

is that supposed to mean something to me

GODmaster is #1
always has been
always will be
simple as

if you get accepted into the beta what are you gonna do? i was thinking of making to 2nd job then henehoeing

i only know one beta in hes in hyperion
ZING haha jk jk

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if i was a gamer that liked monsetr collection i might go like do my legion pq today to try and snipe some of those new monsters but desu wa ne i trained for 4 hours today and capped all my especias and dont feel like it rn
maybe ill get to it

happy easter to everyone who can either do ~33T damage per minute over 30 minutes (enough to defeat a ~1Q hp boss) or isn't rude about not being able to do so

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having sex with my bunny wife ren for bunny day (after church of course)

>>562603954
Finding a maplewife

>>562602920
waht the heck is talesrunner

If Ren was nerfed a little bit I think it would be a more fair class. Otherwise it feels too easy/boring to play.

On the topic of strong classes, any suggestions for CW3? Newer player and hoping to turn my CW3 char into a new main. Instinctively, bucc is a high contender since that was my main back in the olden days but I know it changed a lot. It looks fun now though with high mobility and one of my favorite effects - aura damage. I just know it's been strong lately and worried about any incoming nerfs. I like a lot of mages too so I was considering remaking one of them (IL, Sia or Lynn). Generally I favor more interesting mechanics than simplicity like Sia's constellation but kind of hate that in 5th job you just pop a cd and single cast most of them.
I guess the better question, can we expect based I n KMS data which classes are strong in CW3? That would probably help me decide since I ultimately dont have a lot of time nor hands so getting carryd by my class is unfortunately something I rely on.

>>562620416
what if all the female characters are just dudes behind the screen...

>>562631309
Then we have a bro marriage

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this is how i find out goby is no longer in the game?

>>562631559
eh? those guys are good pink crystals, they're in the deep sea gorge or w/e and they drop a ton of 110 loot

>>562632661
unsearchable on the world map

>>562632782
searching for shit on the world map is gay and retarded and doesn't work a lot of the time and it pisses me off a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!
go to aquarium on the world map, and then check the left-most path that leads to Pianus

>>562633840
wtffffffffffffff

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>>562630914
to get challenger in cw3 requires killing the new season boss kai, normal mode and hard mode, normal mode being about hvhilla tier and hard mode being about hseren tier. kai drops frags, meso, chance of pitched and hard has 2 kalos eternal pieces and a chance to drop a limbo eternal box/kalos box
kai being giga important to cw3 means the class tier list is based on who is good against kai
so who is good against kai?, well burst classes are the pick this go around
kai is a 20 minute boss fight and his unique mechanic when you pass his tests your 2min cooldowns are reset giving you the amount of bursts you would normally have in a 30min fight but nowhere near the dpm time you would have
this is what heavily favors burst in kai
so hayato and kanna are the easy picks as they are mostly burst
I personally am doing lynn for cw3 as I want a high level kitted out in eternals lynn
I have already made my cute duky copycat anime swordswoman on main world so
kai is really good to getting to him asap is best which is why im coping inkwell will give us genesis pass again, if not its gonna be 3 months instead of 1 month to get to kai

https://www.mmobomb.com/an-exclusive-interview-inkwell-about-maplestory-classic-world-his-vision
>I think the important question would be ‘Why did we start Classic World?’ If you think about Classic World, we already have it. Like, there were private servers, and on MapleStory Worlds — our own platform — we have Artale. If you look at that, there’s no need for us to create Classic World. So why did I want to create Classic World? It is that the current GMS is very modernized. There’s a lot of content. There’s a learning curve for new players. So I was thinking, how can I reduce that content? If I did another Big Bang 2, there would be players who wouldn’t like that at all. So I was thinking, ‘How can we simplify MapleStory and make it more simple and accessible to others?’ When I thought about it, we already have all these Classic World type games already. So we don’t need to do it exactly the same. But also have some quality of life changes and change any inconveniences that we had in the original Maplestory, like improve upon those but still keep it Classic.
we could've got big bang 2 but we got classic instead...it's not fair bros

im just gonna filter classic world

classic w0rld

inkwell knows current game is dying and no one new wants to join in lol so they are making classic to attract new players

mechaberry is going to kill the game, you can go 285-290 if you buy the $150 pass

>>562634885
>buy the $150 pass
what the fuck

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that would be the momentum pass, there were 3 released in kms, there was one in each patch of the crown update totaling 3 momentum passes at $50 each
these are the rewards, all 3 passes is roughly enough to go from 290-293

Inkwell put his hands out. One symbolized Classic World, the other Modern MapleStory. He drew an invisible line between them, signifying the Big Bang, and posed a question “What if there’s no Big Bang?”
>“Do you remember the NPC Manji? We didn’t get the chance to talk about his story. Do you remember the Hero’s Gladius? What happened to Chief Stan in Henesys?”
>“What if the Black Mage didn’t die? I think it might be very interesting.”

kek oinkwell thinks nyuple is a mistake

>>562634470
cIassic worId

momentum pass is making fragtoona stocks go up
would be the perfect padding to all the exp we get

>>562634113
Thank you for the info! Maybe I'll go Lynn actually because I really liked her kit even pre 5th job, was going to burn some tickets tk get her to 210 but idk. I got tired of my hayato after 210 personally and Kanna is aight but not being able to do any damage in between bursts feels bad

using filters is such redditor behavior

what is unc yappin about

talking like a faggot zoomer is such redditor behavior

>legendary especia chest on 278 mule
>gives more exp than a transcendent pot
It's kinda insane how much time you can get/save from treasure boxes. Literally 5-6 hours worth of training in a single box.

>>562640884
fr fr

unc is seething now
kek

>>562637778
>not being able to do damage in between bursts feels bad
You would be surprised how much of a benefit that is in much harder bosses. DPM players have to suffer through trying to attack and dodge everything while kanna can mostly afk because you got most of your 2 minute damage off already.

im playing bucc next cw

If erel is out it's erel time otherwise I'm locking lynn

erel isn't out, time to lock in that beast tamer forest child

I was gonna do Sia but they nerfed her lazy farming
Might go Kanna or Xenon

i'm trusting the plan, erel will be out for cw3

>logged in
>checked in
That's enough Maple for today. Don't want to fall into FOMO and grind out the chests.

>want to grind
>fz bot is full (what the fuck)
>close maple insted

another L for the interactive folk
though i can't imagine how cancerous fz would be on heroic with no trading

i should learn adv this weekend

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there's no way this actually worked lmao
reddit was right, always thank nexon, inkwell and maplestory

the secret is staying #humble, this is true

i went to speep and spept past reset and wasted an hour of goddess blessing time
why would the jews do this to me

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kms population numbers

I demand 1000 fraggies daily for free. Game's gonna die with classic anyway, so you might as well.

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I still haven't gotten a BM badge after all these years.

blaze wizard needs to able to also flash jump during orbital flame for mobbing, or get a new main mobbing skill, because its really fucking clunky right now compared to ren and wh

you literally just unpress flash jump and repress it's a free input you bum. it's like ren teleport attack

>>562677834
all jumps need to just be unified already, warriors having to waste a hotkey on being able to upjump is retarded, mages not being able to forward jump is fucking asinine, stop this retarded shit already, wizet

Kind of sad that this is the last Challenge World. Seems like Koreans have challenge world fatigue and they won't be putting in any more. No gene pass makes it an easy skip for me.

honestly your first character should just be a dawn warrior or at least some cygnus just to get your empress blessing maxed right away and dawn warrior is at least braindead at bossing
avoid mihile at all costs though, fucking dogshit class

complaining about having teleport in favor of foward fucking flash jump what are we even posting here anymore

I'll only play cw3 if they turn on the Erda weekly double dip and fragtroona

cool more eternals for everyone else

You already get free 22* challenge gear for clearing elucid

that's not an eternal

teleport sucks ass, having flash jump is a million times better

the entire point of getting pseudo 22 absos is bringing you TO the eternal piece content btw if you aren't doing that then it's just another overspec ctene mule

Heroic CW was so packed theres no burning anywhere for daily gamers or f2p grinders that you basically need mvp red/black to not fall behind.

you werent there

that's wrong

Yeah I was and it was a whalefest. The chat was filled with rolling pssbs nonstop for a week straight. 60 channels with no burning on any of them because people who bought the battle pass on day 1 before reset got enough vouchers and mag pots to skip 250-260 and start doing grandis mp/hm/high burning maps in burnium. This put people near 265 and they had to get some chest drops to hit 265. By end of week 1 everyone was 270 from the sauna tickets/vouchers in battle pass and high burning maps in Arcus. Anyone who wasn't MVP Red/Black was just hitting 260 as daily gamers or 265 as f2p grinders. By end of week 2 there was lvl 275 whales with plat medal because they got 20% fd from levels to clear ctene bosses.
A lot of little different things from being a paid player add up and pretty much push them beyond what any non payer can achieve.

may i see your medal

people had emerald day 2 bro what are we saying. talking about platinum like it mattered when emerald was literally free once people learned what rentals did.
highkey the only time burning was notably bad was cernium but just getting into arcus kinda fast the distribution immediately cleared up and that held into the rest of the maps after that.

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its rude to ask without showing mine first my b heres mine
make sure to include a timestamp of some kind please!!

The differences start compounding and you're suddenly not a week behind but two by week 3, by week 4 whales were 280 and there was no burning in odium or shangrila so that puts everyone a month behind them and the gap kept growing until 285 when whales had enough and by then no one f2p was around.

wait but i thought maple wasn't a race

okay what does this have to do with you logging in to get your eternal pieces and cool medal besides you having an inferiority complex though

It feels like ass to play when others are progressing faster simply because they payed up.

they're progressing because they're training and you are not

No, they're paying for sauna to level up. Buying battle passes to get an advantage. And paying for MVP Red/Black. There was not many grinders among the 20 or so MVP red/blacks in my guild.

idk i just log in and do my little dance i'm not really concerned about people ahead of me as long as i'm making progress towards my own goals

Yeah because reg CW is dead as shit and you don't have the same problem as Heroic with meso market/auction house.

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you didnt even come to cw you just wasted your hyper burn in hyperion and fed it exp tickets and then dropped it and are wondering why you dont have hexa

i was heroic cw

I was on a different character on cw2. Besides the whales, it was weird as fuck seeing 60 channels with NOT A SINGLE BURNING in ALL of burnium/cernium. Ive checked every channel among the 26 or so maps. Shit was weird enough that I'd rather not be hardstuck due to whales eating all the burning...

tried adversary for the first time on my cadena and I got put through a blender but it was fun.

I want CW ranks
japan got CW ranks
why did inkwell take this from us

cant implement because of heroic
small indie team with no funding please understand and buy more mvp blacks

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0-4 train for an hour while i wait to be let out of sugar's cock cage
5-9 cum first

i got my i trained today award and my peepee is jorked and as a bonus my buddy bosses are done
lg lifes good maybe tomorrow ill do my culverts

me on the right (behind the carrot)

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i hope we get her event this summer

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>>562710382

so what specifically makes lynn broken and must play

Part of the new TMS design philosophy which goes against KMS. KMS classes are designed with a downside and an upside basically some burst class will not have good dpm/DPS or some dpm/class will not have good burst, Ren is kind of on the extreme spectrum of this design as it's flaws and upsides aren't that pronounced buut..TMS is a way more casual experience and so their remaster of classes comes with no downsides. At no point playing Lynn do you get the feeling of "being down" because her main attack has fuckhuge range and does good dpm. She only needs to max one hexa m1 to be effective and do 90% of it's damage. Offers better support and has better dpm than bishop at lower CP. Many endgame parties take a Lynn that's 100-150mil cp lower and it outdamages most non TMS dps classes while also giving a +30Fd buff every 1min

say what now, the region that gave us Frenzy and BoD has no idea how to balance their shit?

Everyone expected it to get nerfed, but turns out TMS is just going to turn any class they remaster into a powerhouse and keep it that way, so Lynn is the next best class to bandwagon for cw3.

Imagine how funny it would be if when KMS increases the level cap past 300 and then all the TMS classes are locked to level 300 only kinda like how cygnus knights couldn't go past 120

Awaken hasn't been 1 min cd and the limit for non-self buffed FD has been 65 for quite some time already, but yeah Lynn isn't in that bad a position especially with the self 30 buff being pretty nice.

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>>562726063

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Extreme Von Leon where you need to free the souls of Little Dead Kids to build up Ifia's Love and shoot a heart beam (w/ interact key) to lower Von Leon's 'Rage' gauge because if it caps out you get booted from the instance
and also he has a p2 where he glows red and has a lot of really gaudy particle effects around him and has an even more aggressive
but also he has a p3 where he turns back into a human and just pulls out a sword and it's actually harder than fighting him as a lion

hire me nexon

lynn is the outlier if anything, mo xuan is nothing amazing, nor were kanna and hayato and beast tamer

never play a class just because it is too strong
sooner or later it will be curbstomped

Bring me back to those days where NW was the top class in everything and everyone called them faggots for being tier whores and DW was below it and got called crayon eaters. You only had to worry about a couple of outliers like Bucc/Hero/WA after that and the rest were all equally shit. No one could've expected the shit we got now is just more gay and like uh idk even more gay than before like lick a niggas turd out his ass gay like TMS classes being rank SSS and gay like Ren and Bowman is gay and SS rank and then there's like top 10 KMS class gays that are S rank and everything else is A/B which is also really gay. We didn't know how good we had it bros.

Nothing has changed, only the people at the top.

but if gms accidentally breaks it during a random update, doesn't it mean it will take forever to fix?

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kmst common core skill details coming this week on april 9th
non-kms 3rd common skills would be twilight bloom for hayato/kanna and the destiny of might wheel skill thingy for lynn/moxuan I think
who else excited to wait 4 months for non-kms to get their thing

Was Wonki actually better than Changseop as a tophead of KMS? He made Seren, Kalos, and Kaling.

Would be nicer if we could switch between any class hexa that we need. Would like a black and red birdy on my Kain. The change of Guided Arrow to their respective class colors was pretty good I would say.

>>562746064
Wonki saved maplestory with 5th job and reboot, but he clearly got lost in the sauce after that and couldn't really follow up properly. Chang Seop just took the foundation he set up and improved upon it.
>seren kalos and kaling
These are clearly transitional bosses with them still figuring out how to design future bosses. Seren and kalos in particular are quite obnoxious with their mechanics which is why they have both received massive nerfs over time.

HP Bloat is what makes the bosses unfun due to their mechanics just being death traps you run into because you're pressured to move and do damage. Imo all grandis bosses could use a 50% hp cut at this point so they are more accessible to a broader population. Once you kill these bosses once it's like the whole illusion of difficulty goes away which makes me wonder. The difficulty seems artificial and only due to the time constraints and HP bloats which makes the fights unfun to do weekly. If they cut the HP in half nothing would change except we would waste less time inside. It's basically torture made to get people to pay up.

only nu-wh got a unique guided arrow color though? and that color sucks

>>562745965
Doesn't seem that exciting for like 80% of the class types there, since most of these seem to be only moderately useful utility skills. Freud's Wisdom in particular being up only every other burst is a particular sore spot. Sengoku having % dmg reduction and crit dmg is pretty nice though, even if they only decide to buff the damage reduction.

No it's because the bosses are designed around learning unique mechanics and once you understand those mechanics properly it gets a lot easier. It has nothing to do with their hp

me kain have red n black arrow

It only seems easier these days because of power creep. If you do something like a 5mil CP hdamien you can still lose some lives even knowing all the mechanics simply due to it being an hp sponge.

The mechanics are easy to learn but the pressure from being time-limited and knowing safe patterns that won't mess up your burst due to HP bloat is what makes the bosses hard. If the mechanics were hard then we wouldn't be able to just deathbomb through phases instead of doing mechanics. It's obviously all hp bloat and limited time acting as the primary difficulty changers. Being over spec for bosses proves this as all the difficulty is gone.

spoken like someone who hasn't even entered grandis yet lmao

>>562747823
I'm hoping they cook pretty hard with the common skills, they can literally slap a passive on them and have it be whatever they want
lots of ppl were like what they gonna do to these trash skills for m3/m4 and they cooked pretty good with a lot of those by just adding some passive to them
but yeah it is a fairly wide spread of skills between them, blitz could do way more dmg or something else entirely like more dmg reduction
arcana overdrive who knows
bird more burst probably
shadow walker idk
pirate flag is a party buff, wonder if it'll become more relevant
chickens might just get giga bursty
several door skills on there like anima, will it be more survivability focused or just straight up passive dmg
but yeah freuds is absolutely the most interesting one

The bosses are interchangeable my retard friend, I could say Jupiter and it would still apply. There is a fundamental flaw in the boss design of modern and that is that you are forced to stop attacking and do mechanics which isn't FUN in an ACTION GAME. To beat the boss you to play in the most unfun way possible and be super safe and be at the mechanic 5 seconds before it happens to not miss in grandis bossing which just isn't fun. It kills the momentum and pacing of the fight and makes it seem like a chore instead of a challenge, something you are forced to do rather than choosing to do it on your own for fun.

>>562748903
any class who gets more utility over damage will complain no matter what

If you want bosses that are literal target dummies then go play classic
>jupiter
>forced to stop attacking and do mechanics
LMAO

Bosses could be more aggressive like Magnus. If you made Magnus the same HP as Xlotus and 380% def, gave it 5 lives cap, that shit would be again one of the hardest bosses in the game.

>random unfair bullshit is in fact, random and unfair
great observation

Just goes to prove my point the difficulty is not mechanical but it's all due to stat bloat and time-consuming mechanics for gay babies.

ok then go play something else instead of shitting up the thread with your dogshit diarrhea tier takes

Go stand in Wills corner like a punished child every week Lol. Who finds this shit mechanically challenging or fun besides mentally stunted gay babies Lmao

>modern
Will is almost a decade old boss, why don't you go follow your own advice and stop posting here

why we gotta kill these unc ass bossslop with tests every week cuh i just wanna dps niggas down

Nexon devs are real fucking dumb honestly. Instead of nerfing boss mechanics and doing a class balance roulette they could just add 5-10 mins extra to the boss timer and make it so more people can do mincuts if they have the hands for it. Instead we're in balancing hell right now for what seems like a decade. Being forced to run decade old bosses multiple times weekly loses it's lustre quite quickly.

seren nerfs are in the pipeline please wait warmly

Frags and mystical senpai cards are still relegated to be battle pass bait with no hope of any frag pity for daily heroics in sight. I'm starting to agree with Inkwell that Big Bang was a mistake.

isn't it weird that mystical frontier the senpai card system thingy doesn't give out blue cards

My only hopium left is that summer patch will get Fragtoona and we can max out hexa on our mains otherwise it's over I think I'll just wait for frag pity.

gimme:
pitched box drops in addition to pitched drops
ssf every sunday
blue cards back in the familiar shop for those who refuse to subject themselves to rng upgrading
pity requirements to be less draconian
frags drop from bosses and better frag drop rate on farm

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we heard you so we are now diluting the pool and instead of pitched you get a nice lvl 2 health cut ring

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Familiar cards will never be given for free because the entire purpose behind them is to milk the absolute living fuck out of whales trying to optimize it. Reboot not getting it consistently outside of inkwell's note rewards is just an additional fuck you.

or you could just grind

it's just an endless cycle of complaining that things are locked behind playing the game you don't want to learn a boss you don't want to grind for grindable drops why are you even on heroic dog just to grind ctene and get "rewarded"

Yeah I guess that works too. I got a double boss familiar on a mule that way, but realistically the chance of that was something on the order of 1/70 * 1/150 or something around there so it's something that is done for the long run. I wouldn't have been able to tolerate that in general for two other cards, so the last couple interactive card sales at least got me two other 2l senpaitachi.

classic world will anally rape numaple btw in case anyone was wondering

classic won't get you 110 boss senpaitachi tho i fear

i'm about to anally rape terry ifykwim

This thread is unreadable because you weirdos refuse to put in the post numbers of who you're replying to. Don't tell me it's "culture" or not needed, this is done no where else on the site and it makes the thread an ugly, unreadable dump.

Fix yourselves you freaks.

i can't believe i've gaslit myself into preferring old warrior upjump
the new one is too scuffed for me, and apparently that's just the standard upjump

i don't mind if you wanna join the nkalos run with struggle cp but you gotta at least do machines man you can't wait out death timer anymore this aint darknell

kalos sounds like a giant pain in the dick

kalos isn't nearly as bad as before back when the bombs were still rng and the devices had hitboxes larger than what they were visually

it's not that bad but it's easily the run where i want to hurt other people the most in a party

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My first hseren party made me nuke the entire party and start from scratch after a month of wanting to strangle others. At least by the time I started a ckalos party I learned that I needed to filter out retards / handicapped players long before they were put on the party.

Can you fuckers reply to each other, fucks sake

just solo everything
there, no need for dealing with other humans acting the scoundrel

562774728
best i can do

What if I want to make friend though

that's what i thought guilds were for
that and g skills, mostly g skills

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>last boss on my last mule
>hwill
>55mil ren asks if I duo
did I ruin this bunny boy's day

It's still better for me to party for the cookies where I'm at

that 55 cum powered bunny fren can easily do it himself

he'll figure it out

the red basedjaks holding their breath but its me whenever somepony says that they're on their 49285th xlotus kill without a tc drop and i want to tell them that they should just buy one

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what pirate do you like

>>562781502
to play? bucc
to fuck? buster
to marry and love? sair

>>562781502
Thunder Breaker

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>>562781502

>>562781502
bucc

>30 brights in saitama gets me... still epic
>30 bonus brights gets legendary
lmao this game is so fucking stupid

it's just a numbers game
the number happen to be rigged

why does blud think people should cater to his specific flavor of illiterate retardation?

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>start training
>get really sleepy 30 minutes in
>finish my 2 hours because i am sugar's strongest soldier
>go for a nap
>suddenly fine

It's going to take Nexon 5 more years to realize all they need to do is add 5-10 mins more to the boss timer instead of nerfing or buffing shit out the ass. The solution is right there in front of them but they are blind to it. We are in for some dark times ahead.

>why are they making gameplay changes to make things more fun to play instead of changing every clear threshold for no reason
it's a mystery

normalization is the death of fun

They need to cut boss HP in Nkalos and Elaling by about 30-50% and make them 45min-1hr for me to consider them fun

seren p1 is not fun. having more time to hide like a pussy waiting for my burst wouldn't make it more fun either. situations being better thought out would, though. p simple

like i already see through this, it's "the change should be further enabling me to run away by making the timer less strict" i don't care just react to dog nigga

If people have the hands for it and a damage for a mincut, why should they be limited by something like a timer? It's peak anti-fun. Let us PLAY THE GAME YA GODDAM GOOK BAST@@@@@@@@@@@RDS

this probably makes a lot of sense if you've never actually gone to 29:55 before

it makes sense to me and ive gone to 29:59 before, 5 extra mins would just make it more fun

nah i know you don't get it because you're still doing the time thing instead of getting it's about uptime like we did when people were larping osms clears.

will is fucking ass
>crack floor means to get hit
>get hit and die

time is truly the only enemy not the bosses themselves

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giga goon man hours

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lynn being the best class is fine but I won't elaborate on why and will leave it as an exercise to the reader

COME BACK ONLINE, ROYALS
I WANNA LEVEL MY ICE LIGHTNING MAGE

royals has been shut down
we are truly in the end times

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Hypegodrion bros it's boss time who up

i just picked up a fraggie

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is this u

next cw is with anni/summer update?

>>562840530
i hope

reddit says classic codes are being sent out now and aren't tied to your account

are f2ps not expected to make bossing mules in reg unless they're stinky neets
like wow all my free cubes go to my main and that's not enough, and if i siphon resources to give to another character then i might as well be stopping all progress on my main altogether

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I have three bossing mules outside of my main and can at least say that the strongest mule is far more profitable than all the ctene spam on the other two just because of the two tc's I have gotten since I started soloing xlotus on it. Also in an hfa party on it so the moment medal drops that would take my other mules a collective 100 weeks before break even. So basically just make as many mules as you can tolerate and focus on fewer if you don't have the bandwidth.

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I have 7 bossing mules outside of my main and yeah higher tier bosses are more profitable, its why I intend to get my legion champs to xlotus solo tier
ctene to black mage/hard seren solo is the first leap I do on boss mules, trying to do the leap to normal kalos/normal adversary on my legion champs currently
It has greatly improved my income and cube production for sure, I think its been very helpful for being able to just funnel resources to the project im working on
figuring out how to go from ctene gear to higher gear efficiently is the tricky part, might just start doing 18* pitched before too long
im swapping out cra to kalos eternals on legion champs currently to push them towards eternal production

I guess trying to farm cubes is ultimately trying to solve a different issue. I have some buddies that instead of trying to spam ctene just abuse cra and nlomien to spam faster runs with tradable drop gear across dozens of mules to generate ~40~60 solids per week. I'm not a big fan of that though, and that feels like it would burn you out much faster than just doing the ctene clear runs on a few 80~100M cum mules.

You never stop running hlomiem,hluwill,ctene weekly even on strong legion champs so it doesn't really matter what you choose. From ctene to hseren/BM is like 150+ bil so you'll never break even unless you plan to play for the next 10 years.

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my strongest mule but not my highest level mule(that's renny at 284) is my bishop currently
I don't think it does take 150bil unless ur just buying all ur gear I guess
most of the cost is just starforcing and all my mules don't have anything above 18*
I don't keep track of the opportunity cost of cubes on gear
bishy ctene is a joke its 1 burst, ascents kill everything lower, bishy is xlotus solo tier just needs some levels, its hseren is 10mins
making it eternals to replace 15% unique cra and giving it the plasma heart in crown + hecate I think will be enough to start running xlotus solo at 285?

On heroic it takes about 6 months to raise an nlomien buler to hlomien-hluwill-ctene. Income goes from 1.4bil to 2.5bil to 3.3bil to 4.5bil. No reason to push past ctene/BM solo unless you really like playing that class and bored of your main. It's hard to get them senpai cards and hexas besides the inkwell handouts which is like a 70% FD boost.

>>562867845
Pretty sure the lower end of the xlotus solo cum power is like 300M. When I started doing 28 minute xlotus solos hseren took me 5 minutes total.

>>562857897
They're not, only people who were at maplecon/the pc cafe test are getting them. The emails are all curated to "start on the 14th" and reference taking part in past events.
Regular codes probably won't go out till the 10th or maybe even later.
People are already datamining though which is fucking hilarious.

Mules on reg are pointless overall since you don't make good weekly income from boss crystals.

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>>562867845
oh I was gonna talk about the main thing being upgrading w/s/e bpot to leg on these mules being the major difference between them and ctene mules
my mains at a weird point where everything bpot wise I have thats at leg is like 2l and I'm happy with and everything else is 2l epic still and I need to tier it, but I dont really get enough bonus brights at a time to want to do that really
so I'm kinda just doing mule w/s/e instead
just slowly swap to buying new gear on main with leg bpot I suppose and give my old stuff to night walker, but when I get like the 20 cubes from checkin type stuff I should try to tier my badge or something I suppose

yeah over here you can break through the wall with hexa and familiars
ideally my bishop is doing nlimbo party before too long
>>562868376
the cut gets lower and lower with more hexa stuff added but yeah right now its bare min cut if my bishy was 290, my cut is 79% at 282 and im missing 19.63% fd from not being higher level
of course this is without event buffs but gains coming soon for my bishop is my LC4 renny becoming a seren champ, bishop getting kalos eternals, hecate coming out and gaining about 7% fd from that, carcion symbol from 285 + plasma heart upgrade
still probably a fairly rough run so I might need to do a lil more we'll see
its not all about the boss crystals now its also about the whisper crystals, it all adds up I'm having fun and progging so I'll keep at it

Yeah it does take 150+bil for a comfortable mule to push past ctene. You're not supposed to be basing mules around mincuts since it's inefficient to run weekly.

I think the current frag rate is mostly fine for the current skills we have. Finishing 6th job in 2 years without extreme grind is reasonable when 7th job isn't coming out until like level 325 and 2.5-5 years from now (let's just say 2030). However, GMS hasn't gotten two of the most expensive skills that are either out or about to be out in KMS, there's still one more of the most expensive skills and FOUR of the second most expensive skills coming, on top of 3 more HEXA stats (God forbid optimizing them). That would probably at least double the amount of time it would take to max out the skills, and it actually gets worse from there.
Challenger World, generally speaking, will probably get your character well into 6th job content no matter how you progress. I've been doing mostly dailystory on my Ren and will probably hit 283 by the time I have to transfer it out. And the summer update will only make this worse, with new Monster Park, increased Extreme EXP, Mechaberry making 290+ take less time, you're just going to be grinding less overall. The dramatic increase in frag requirements and dramatic decrease in grinding time in which to get frags will get insanely worse. This isn't just going to be a Heroic problem either, Interactive's frag market relies Frenzy rate drops. Between normal players being pushed to 300 where Frenzy doesn't work and botters abusing it there's probably going to be some problems like the Limina Mafia (enjoy having every Geardrak map occupied).
Unfortunately, I don't have a tremendously good solution to the Interactive problem aside from more events giving out selectors instead of energy. But fortunately Heroic has a few additional solutions that can reduce some of the future problems. While the lack of frag income is a problem, this is exacerbated by the Legion Champion system (and to an extent the large number of boss mules GMS requires). Being able to put some frags into storage would help, and there's precedent for which specifically.

Benny still doesn't understand anything about the game and is just pay2winning.

>>562869680
yea nah im not trying to do mincuts weekly for sure, but powercreep never stops
there will surely be higher legion champ missions don't you think?
it doesnt feel like I spent 150bil on these mules but I do it in lil chunks so maybe it is around there I can't be certain but it kinda just feels like ur making shit up
70-100bil buys me a new very nice pitched upgrade for main, 22* 5l type stuff
either way I gotta head off for the afternoon its big bro's birthday and we're watching the new mario movie

>>562869817
I think the frag rate is fine if it wasn't per fucking account like holy shit if they're afraid of someone doing the daily on every character and moving it to their main just make it untradeable

There's only one common node left and two main hexa nodes not four btw so 6th job is ending by the end of this year.

>>562869817
Firstly don't expect the frags you currently have to suddenly be able to be put in storage, that shit will never happen. Second, looking at which sources are meant to be for the account and which are meant for characters is a good place to start. Obviously all drops should be able to be put into storage, and the same can be said for the ones from the weekly. While the current Guild Castle would be per-character, there's upcoming changes that make it per-account. Several event selectors make the energy tradable, but not all of them so it would be in a case by case basis. Similarly, character creation/remaster events and anything limited to single characters like passes or the upcoming (and excellent source of frags, seriously that will probably become a standard amount going forward) Lucid event will likely be untradable. All Epic Dungeon frags will probably be character locked, as that's the general design intention of the rewards there. As for Mystic Frontier I assume it's meant to be completely tradable in Interactive but I haven't checked so I could be wrong. I think that covers about every source, so aside from more Lucid event tier frag drops (seriously it's like 800 or something) this is the best we can hope for. Maybe next Twenteena type event will focus on frags instead of EXP, given the glut of EXP we'll be getting already.

>>562870060
Next time mention your weekly crystal income in your post for each mule alongside it, it's no more than 1-2bil per week on something you spend 150bil+ on.

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>>562870147
Please tell me how many nodes there are on the upper left segment of the Hexa Matrix, then tell me how many of those cores are currently in the game.

>next Twenteena type event
insane cope
the state of a mapler introduced to crack

>>562871601
I prefaced it with a "maybe", when it comes to GMS genuinely who fucking knows. Maybe it's that clover event that everyone loved even though it was super P2W but never came back, maybe it's something generous from TMS or MSEA but not all the MSEA stuff because it's a misery server where you can't trade frags, maybe it's that pass we got in this event and when Sia dropped that honestly has too fucking much going on. And maybe, just maybe, we'll actually get the free perm vac pet for the anniversary next year, I know I'd be more likely to pay a subscription without a 100 dollar purchase up front (in actuality I'll just be trying to play the Meso Market best I can).