# Store link:https://store.steampowered.com/app/2378900/The_Coffin_of_Andy_and_Leyley/# Guides (Major spoilers; avoid until having played through the game once):>Routes & Subrouteshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3545926625>Achievementshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050231198>Stars & Visionshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3459534675>Complete Episode 2 Walkthroughhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052417644>Episode 3 Endings Guidehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3148380245># News:>Episode 3A: Decay has been released!https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900?emclan=103582791473416093&emgid=523086940514289223>[APRIL 2026] Decay and Burial being developed simultaneously, whichever episode gets completed first is the next major update. It's currently looking like it'll be Burial.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900?emclan=103582791473416093&emgid=537755982024934503# Nemlei's previous games:https://mega.nz/file/FSFXURYI#FhEp5w4qMv4w0A0mMfQ4YqLD5TJuve014_-eTNdIbSIPrevious grave: >>562973316
Well, we had to get a dogshit OP image eventually.
>hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is Nemlei but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^…"
sisternet poster was too slow again, you'll get it next time
>>563227413The Sisternet pic was better.
>>563227874Goatse is better than that crap, desu.
>Anders... It's not your fault.
>>563227989Correct, it's Mom's.
>>563227923ですね~
>>563227923It's not that bad, it just feels kinda random. Like a OP pic for a PS1 surrealist game rather than Coffin.
>>563227989>Don't fuck with me, Dad! Don't fuck with me alright, not you...https://youtube.com/shorts/NV79Oe1GNPA?si=XVVU56Sg8_Y0kxe8
Ashley (not Leyley) will love her inbred kids.
My wife Noelle!
Literally who asked?
Stick.
>>563228610Hey! That's his wife, Noelle!
>Andrew... It's all your fault.
>>563228784Stickley.
>>>/his/
>>563228975
>>563228992Frenchley is the most important character in the game, lorelet.
Brickley.
>Andrew...it's the fault of the state, we must cease the means of productions.
>>563229183I can't believe Andy smashed Nina's head in with a Brickley. Just like that...
Nyeh!
>>563229212>cease the means of productions
>>563229320Douglas seems like the kind of man to like Kaczynski
>>563229471In my experience, most of the people I've talked to either think he's crazy or post "le heckin' uncle Ted" memes but don't actually grasp his ideas at anything more than a surface level.
>>563229640>im so le misunderstood intelectual
>>563229729Yeah, that's not what I was saying.
>>563229640He was a retard who mailed bombs at innocent people because he thought it would make people give a shit about his manifesto.Now he's used to sell mugs and youtube ads on videos and he deserved no better.
Threadly reminder bratty sisters are in dire need of hard ANAL correction!
/calg/ – Retarded ethnic enclaves having a dick measuring contest with other people's penises rather than theirs.
>>563229782>He was a retard who mailed bombs at innocent peopleAh yeah, this totally happened btw
>>563229980I can't help it, Frenchman replies and I just have to bite it.
>>563228174おわりだ)
>>563229980My sister is better than yours by the way.>>563230131It's your insecurities showing.
Imagine how good french women are at sucking cock. Jesus.
>>563231041>My sister is better than yours by the way.Factually incorrect.
I have the hottest sister here
>>563231098My bloodline is also purer than yours.
>/his/ - History & HumanitiesLiteral fan fiction nonsense.
>>563231239If you say so.
Gentlemen. There's only ONE way to solve this dispute: Post the child you had with your sister and we'll judge who has the prettiest sister through judging which baby is the least ugly.
>>563231275What do you mean?
>>563231527The "history of humanity" doesn't exist, at all. We have no past, we live in fiction.
>>563231524Too long, didn't read
>>563231664>we live in fiction.Then this show sucks and I want a new writer.
>>563231817
>>563231952>all non-Germanic peoplesSo you hate all people? Since germans hardly qualify as people. They're are more like garage equipment.
>>563232117Hate is a strong word, I just have a strong in-group preference.
What's /calg/ opinion on Solipsism? Why does solipsism answer every existential question?
>>563232181See? Even the anglo vassal doesn't want to be anglo.
>>563232606It's gay.
>>563232624Do you get some sick kick out of baiting or are you just genuinely dumb?
>>563232606I don't perceive the answer to your question and thus there is none.
>>563232740>You can't genuine have won, it has to be ironicCope
>>563232648Why?
>>563233358I said so.
>>563233378Wow...
God this bake sucks so far
What's /calg/ opinion on Thomas Pynchon?
>>563233816Not my favorite but neat prose.
Hussyball
>>563233827That's right, chud. Keep it on topic and talk about how much you love Leyley
>>563234021A whole bunch!
>>563234021I love this little creature
>>563234021This oppression will not stand
>>563234076>>563234176I want to fuck this thing.
>>563234221Why are you so mad?
>>563234221I remember when i got banned here when pointing out that some dude in a dress was not a woman in any capacity. I didn't even start it, it was a response to a detractor derrailing discussion.
>>563234371I do.
>>563234483Why?
>>563234076>>563234176Leyley lovers shall inherit the Earth
>>563234483Exactly, nobody.
>>563234581We love our precious daughter.
>>563234371>>563234508Uh hoh
>>563234275NTA but look at /omg/, those poor fuckers can't even posted screenshots of their Harry Potter mobile games without getting their post deleted or banned.
>>563234758>but look at /omg/I'd rather not.
>>563234581>>563234698I want to fuck this thing so bad, my cock belong on her throath. >>563234758>/omg/What /x/ has to do with this? /omg/ has been dead for ages because of Ape
…There’s a report button?
>>563234903>Ashley said, after procrastinating on her assignment for two weeks.
>>563234867>What /x/ has to do with this?What? There's two /omg/s on /vg/, who mentioned /x/?
modanon are you going to smite me if I reply to that French midwit, even if its just once more?
>>563234820You don't have a choice.>>563235030There's no 'modanon', anons (reportfags) report to jannies who don't interact with the threads who then report to admins.
>>563235176>There's no 'modanon', anons (reportfags) report to jannies who don't interact with the threads who then report to admins.Do they really get that upset from off topic discussions even if its just for a little?
>>563235030Not a mod, but it's best not to. Off topic is off topic and you might get caught up in it>>563235176>reportfagsThis is such a silly term to throw around when ALL the deleted posts had NOTHING to do with Coffin. It was all off topic.
>>563235176>You don't have a choice.I literally can just not look at it, it's so easy. Kind of like talking about the Coffin of Andy and Leyley, which is a fun game enjoyed by cool and attractive people.
>>563235275They can't get it on if you're speaking about the french.
>sells daughter to organ harvesting scheme, justifies it for her not getting a job>never got her drivers license>won’t drive her anywhereWhy are shitty parents like this?
Ash-oui
>>563234698I would've spoiled this little thing absolutely rotten. I'm not fit to be a father, I could never tell my baby no
>>563235332I can't help but occasionally derive into nationalistic arguments, especially when some fucking midwitt is taking the piss out of me.
>>563235484Love this goblin like you wouldn't believe.
>>563235429She's sorry. OK?
Haven't visited a thread since the last episode was out, What have I missed?
Miss this bussy
>>563235651Well shit, she said sorry, what can you do at that point?
>>563235663A few devlogs, that's it.And we've got a reportfag now.
>>563235651need I remind you this image was posted April 1st
>>563235651
>>563235776Anon, you can't just make new terms every time your ass gets chapped.
Could /calg/ attempt to do something like this but for something Coffin related? Like manifesting the chapter 1 or 2 events in reality or something like that.
>>563235830Anon, you can't furiously spam the report button while screeching and then complain you're being called a term that has existed on this website for more than a decade to describe you.
>>563232942>selectively choose which arguments to respond instead of admitting your wrong because le French arrogancy>stops genuinely making counter-arguments and spams le Anglo vassal>gives himself a medal after being called out for taking the piss
Sometimes, when I get REALLY mad about things that are completely my fault, I like to come here to talk about The Coffin of Andy and Leyley. It's really the best place for it.
>>563235651She will absolutely redeem herself, and /calg/ will have to admit to be wrong about renee all along.
>>563235940>Lose every single argument and start crying instead of just kneeling>Can't handle losing and start crying about 'y-y-you didn't meant it!'That's just sad.
If Andrew got arrested he'd probably get super mad that somebody called the cops on him instead of himself for doing acts which are illegal.
>>563236073Here's your pity (you) since you can't take a hint.>>563236319Nobody likes snitches, Andrew would be right.
>>563236590>Do you want to give me a redo?No. I'll just take my win and let you stew in defeat.
This shit would already be over if the reportfag hadn't made it worse and made other anons join in out of spite for their powertrip.
>>563236908RIP, his laundry was whiter than white, all stains gone.
>>563235429To be fair this all could've been avoided if they moved out.
>>563237317With what money?
>>563237317>Could have survived the terrorist attack if you just went to the market yesterday.
>>563237343
>>563237317
>>563224101Because God (Nemlei) loves me and hears my prayers.
>>563233993What are the rules of hussyball?
>>563236703Surrendering seems to be the only thing you Frenchmen are good for after all.
>>563227989>>563228219>someone doing my ritualpost for meI feel honoured but also violated at the same time.
>>563228872>...fuck with me dad..?
>>563236526Fuck she's amazing. I love Ashley so much and I keep constantly wondering what Ashley's hair, armpits, thighs, feet, cunt and asshole smell like
>>563232226I like this new artfag
Ashley, what the fuck is this?
>>563238204Dude why would you want to smell armpits and feet?
Andrew Graves is a catholic in denial. The entire story of the Coffin of andy and leyley is an allegory of the rosicrucian guilt. Even the flower imagery checks out. He will become a priest in one of the epilogues.
>>563238374The better question is why wouldn't you?!?!?
>>563238418Scholar but no the Graves are either Lutheran like Grandpa or jews
>>563238580They are not really the most sanitary or pleasant areas to smell even when groomed well. You know I would just rather breed.
>>563238374He's a cumbrained fetishfag. Can't you tell with the unnecessary use of spoilers even though he posts the same thing every thread?
>>563238681If anything they are Satanists, summoning the anti-Christ and what not.
>>563238716When you breed you get the sweaty stench too. Its not that different. Also I bet Ashley keeps them pleasantly clean for Andrew.I wonder if she trims it too
>>563238872Christ and the anti-christ are the same person
>>563238681>Renee is actually a jewess that has infiltrated a good huwite chrischan home and corrupted Grandpa's pure-hearted Lutheran son, as jews do>that's why he doesn't like her
>>563239213Renee is the anti christ.
>>563238961>for AndrewHoly self-insert. Who the fuck thinks "I need to keep my feet clean in case my lover wants to sniff it"
>>563239286Ashley is the anti christ.
>>563239286>>563239393Julia is the anti christ
>>563239393>Ashley is the anti christ.Physically its two people but same soul (Andy and Leyley blueprint). Thats why if there appears Christ (Andrew), there appears Antichrist (Ashley). Its a cyclic attempt of God to simulate conditions of First Sin and recycle karma attacked to it as that weighs on all humanity and prevents ultimate Salvation (also thats why Second Coming of Christ will be an omen for the Judgement day). In first cycle Adam's trust in God stood firm (Renee archronic influence over primordial first cause, Nina fall from grace), but Eve was seduced by Samael (Tar soul) or a Serpent in Christian Genesis (The original Coffin, kophinos, all meaning basket. The original coffin = the original sin). In second cycle, Christ stood firm on his faith, but Judah was seduced by Samael once again. Third cycle (decay) will fix this karma and allow physical world to shatter at last. I general, to understand full span of Christ and Antichrist problem you need to read canonical and non-canonical biblic texts plus torah (Dead ends, branches, and endings).
>>563239286>>563239393>>563239430Lord Unknown is obviously the Antichrist. He was born of Noelle and Yule as an abomination to destroy the world and he uses Andrew and Ashley to start doing it.
>>563239707Thank you Gnostic-kun
I didn't know this artist have been drawing fanart of Coffin this often
>>563237810>Winning and not letting me try again is surrenderingCope
>>563240395Repeating something doesn't will it into reality
The only French I wanna here about around here is French kissing between siblings
>>563240658Glad you could admit it.
Tell me about "the coffin".
>>563240995You are functionally admitting defeat by refusing to refute my points fyi
>>563240862>I wanna see here*Pardon me it's 4 in the morning here and I just woke up for no reason and decided to post cute sibs on the sibgeneral. Now I will go back to sleep, good night.
>>563241102Who
>>563241145Sounds like cope.>>563241102/dbg/ is that way, Vegeta.
>>563239351A psycho like Ashley probably. Even then I'm sure her feet smell amazing
>>563241224Good night, anon.
I'm only happy when we're together, but I'm not always happy when we're together
>>563242087real
>>563241346>>563241520Andrew should kiss my wife. There, i said it.
>>563242261We know, Vegeta.
>>563242261>vegeta-gt-sin-bigote_uc9e.jpgVos si sos trolo vegeta.
Which call of duty was Ashley's favorite?
I'm the only one who think it's weird how inbred people are the ONLY kind of people that is acceptable to portray as subhumans and basically animals on movies, shows and video games?Like I don't think it make any sense to treat someone as not a person just because their parents were related, even IF they're ugly and retarded. Ugly retards are people too, some downies are better people than anyone in this thread.
>>563236073>vodkaThe Graves are slavs confirmed!
>>563242410Ashley doesn't play that normie shit.
>>563242410World at War purely for the edge.
Let say we create an utopia where from one day to the next, everyone have to mandatory fuck their sibling or cousin for reproduction purposes, and humanity collectively agree that breeding among peers (either within siblings or cousins) is the new normal, considering having sex with an "outsider" as abnormal and such. Years pass by, and people invent stories about how outbreeding is bad, create retard kids, create elaborate (fake) graphics and statistics, and outlaw or make a taboo out of outbreeding, then later on, people write stories about forbidden love with outsiders, and realize that there's nothing wrong with that and never has been in the first place. What happens next?
>>563242410bops1
>>563242483Don't think too much on it
>>563242483Like seriously, look at say Fallout. Even Super Mutant are more humanized than the swampfolk.>>563242825>What happens next?We kill all those heretics and nail their corpses to crosses along highways.
>>563242410Mobile, because women don't play videogames.
>>563242825Outbreeding becomes the norm after a few gens because inbreeding can only work for so long until enough bad recessive genes are stacked up
>>563242825>What's happens next?The Coffin of Andy and Leyley (two strangers)
>>563242937Mutants are an allegory for blacks, like orcs in fantasy settings. If niggers started to inbreed, it would be accepted because they are the new american gods. >>563243047But what if nothing happens and the entire genetic narrative was just a hoax?
>>563242483>some downies are better people than anyone in this threadNothing against downies, but with all due respect they probably shouldn't reproduce.
>>563243120This is very problematic. >>563243174This is also problematic.
>>563243120>But what if nothing happens and the entire genetic narrative was just a hoax?Then you're living in an alternate reality
>>563243174>but with all due respect they probably shouldn't reproduce.Neither should your entire family tree and yet here you are.
>>563243309Yeah, that's the point of an hypothetical scenario. What if it's all a lie?
>>563243047That's not how this works.
>>563243356Wow, what a badass! Lookout, because captain anon 563243356 is out there to get our asses.
>>563243394Well you'd expect some consensual incest relationships to at least be accepted or decriminalised no?
>>563243516That was cringe.
>>563243642Do you have any source to back up your claims? No? I thought so :)
>>563243356Well I don't have down syndrome and I couldn't possibly imagine why...
>>563241102It didn't stop until I took some robitussin
>>563243261>This is also problematic.Is it really?>downies don't reproduce>decreased chance of down syndrome >suffering decreased long-termIf downies reproducing leads to the same outcome as normal people than I guess it'd be fine if they do reproduce.
>>563232606Metaphysical solipsism doesn't prevent the individual mind to make extrapolations that are fundamentally uncertain, based on its individual input, memory and interpretations over time, neither does it prevent the individual from acting/ interacting, the outcome of the acts is just inherently uncertain. What is does is just deconstruct the mind where the possible cognizance arises that only what has been formed in the individual mind, in the exact now is a certainty, everything else is fundamentally, from the perspective of the individual solipsistic mind uncertain, including the mental state of the monkey at t+1 from the perspective of t0; its the exact opposite of ego-death. And that's where the inoculation against 10,000, arguably 200,000 years of social control mechanisms sets in. For the majority of time in which humanity has been living in small groups, the primary social control mechanism has been smart monkey wanting to exploit stupid monkey, convincing stupid monkey to believe that smart monkey can reduce uncertainty about future IF stupid monkey follows smart monkey because stupid monkey is afraid of uncertainty; which of course is just a game theoretical strategy of exploiting a potential sucker (cooperator)Thinking about Solipsism forces whatever monkey mind does it to confront the fundamental uncertainty of being. The inoculation doesn't work on every monkey, but in a lot of cases it seems to create enough doubt that the basic bitch social control mechanisms of "trust" and "fear" are the very least doubted, reducing the incentive of the monkey to cooperate. Together with NEH, an inoculation against artificial generated crisis propaganda weaponizing apathy, as Myatts pathei-mathos, amorality and "inside role" acting as de-identification and therefore inability of enemy categorization mechanism, a basic framework was created the current "power" arrangement has no counter for. Its game over if only 5ish% of the population get it.
>>563244071Most downies aren't suffering and just lead normal lives while looking funny.You could apply the exact same standard to autists and thus this entire thread.
>>563244303I perceived this reply as too long, I thus did not read it nor perceive what it was saying and thus it said nothing.
>>563244330I have no issue with them living their lives, exterminating them for no reason would just be unnecessarily cruel. I just think that they shouldn't reproduce if they don't have similar outcomes to people without extra chromosomes.
>>563244482Again, the same argument could be used to not let YOU reproduce, anon.
>>563244552Can you elaborate? I don't have anything like down syndrome so I'm pretty any reproductive outcomes I have would be within normal variation.
>>563244303Solipsism to me means a unified subjective point of view. So it's both unified, as in, non-dual, not excluding anything as "other" or "out there" and subjective, as in, personal, perspectival, something to which other alternatives do exist. So an experience is subjective if it's perspectival. All experiences are perspectival. And something is perspectival if other alternatives exist. So for example, if I think events happen in time, since I can imagine events not happening in time, at least the conventional variety of time is optional in my consideration. So time is perspectival and subjective.So what solipsism does not mean is something like "Everything is only me." That would be nonsense. I can experience any sort of identity or body. Because nothing concrete (specific) in my experience of myself is non-optional, when I unify my point of view, I am not unifying it under my conventional identity. Insofar this identity appears to me, so do say that anon and that other anon, and so on, at least, in this specific configuration of experience I am in now. So my view is unified in myself, but I am not strictly speaking "my-self". I am experiencing my-self and to some extent you can say I am Me-ing, but that isn't accurate, because in addition to Me-ing I am also (You)-ing, street-ing, car-ing, cloud-ing, time-ing, space-ing, universe-ing, and so on. But it would be accurate to say that Me-ing right now is at the forefront of my awareness and it often blinds me to other activity I am performing right now.
>>563244686Autism ranges from 'Basically a normal dude with a funny tic' to 'Basically a vegetable'. You're on 4chan, you have autism. Autistic people have higher rates of autistic children.Down Syndrome ranges from 'Basically a normal dude with a funny face' to 'Basically a vegetable'. Down syndrome people have higher rates of down syndrom children.(Yes, I'm talking about rates, both can still produce 'normal' children with no issues).The argument for Down Syndrome to not reproduce apply thus to Autism.
>>563232606Solipsism inevitably leads to non duality, which is the actual truth of the world.
Ashley and Andrew will forgive her, why won't you accept her genuine apology /calg/?
>>563244919Hey I don't have autism? I got tested when I was a little runt and the doctor said I didn't have it so I'll take his word for it. Well this argument essentially boils down to where you draw the line in regards to whether people should or should not reproduce. I'm not really all that knowledgeable in regards to different reproductive/genetic outcomes so I don't really think I can make that strong of an argument, you win (for now).
>>563232606Since you brought up the subject of solipsism, can anyone explain something to me that's been bothering me. Generally solipsism is regarded as incorrect or wrong, tho some may still wish argue this, and that's fine. But what is bothering me is why nobody has ever argued against dream solipsism. I mean, why is that?Everyone will tell you your dreams are just dreams and they're not real, but what if dreams are real. What if every person you met in a dream was as real as the people you see in waking life? Why has nobody even mentioned this idea before? Perhaps some would be too ashamed of what they do in their dreams to contemplate the idea that other dream beings might be real, but what about everyone else? Is it me, or has nobody never once brought up or even contemplated the concept that dream solipsism might be incorrect?
>>563245254Does an apology make up for a lifetime of neglect and selling out your kids lives for some money?
>>563244482>exterminating them for no reason would just be unnecessarily cruelMaybe after birth but abortions are totally just (or even necessary) in my book, countries like Denmark have a near 100% termination rate for Down syndrome.
>>563245578No, but it's a start
>>563245568I've read about the idea that dreams are just glimpses of your lives in other universes.
>>563245648And Denmark is a shithole.
>>563244552An autist can become the next Mozart while a downie is a weird looking orc that will live a short life without ever truly being human and is only alive because its parents like to keep them like you keep pets. It's sad really but it's nowhere near alike with autism nonetheless.
>>563245568Because this world is a dream as well. You are not really the person experiencing this moment, but God/Consciousness itself dreaming trough your current realized perspectival storyline. In that way, people are (You), they are an extensions of you, extensions of your consciousness, and every so far has been product of your held intentions and conclusions. In this way, we're not really the people we're experiencing to be, but the underlying being fragmented experiencing it's own creation, as there are no individuals, and we're all one.
>>563245254They won't forgive her, but they'll make their peace and move on. It's not quite the same thing.
>>563245254Nemlei will NEVER even think about this because he doesn't want to feed certain kinds of "people" material.>>563245804Then it's the one good thing they do, it's just an example.
>>563245957>every event so far*
>>563245568>>563244303At least two must be true > A) Free will doesn't exist> B) Solipsism is true> C) The universe isn't locally real
>>563245957>we're not really the people we're experiencing to be, but the underlying being fragmented experiencing it's own creationThis is canonically literally what life and our current material existence is, and I won't elaborate.
>>563245862That's not how downies are at all. Again you also have autists who are basically vegetables.>>563246020Sounds like a shithole practice from a shithole country.
>>563245957>but God/Consciousness itself dreaming trough your current realized perspectival storyline.That's just Lovecraft's Azatoth lore with a repackaged terminology, I can't believe that joke is still going around like that.
>>563245648Abortion is just straight up murder though, you can easily make a secular argument for this as well.
>>563246503>you can easily make a secular argumentWhy? That's just obviously true.
>>563246640Yeah but I'm used to arguing with stupid leftoids and redditors.
>>563246317>>563245957Supreme consciousnesses, alone and unlimited, desires to know and expand itself. It thus fragments itself and loses itself in its own creation, until one final day all divine sparks reunite into their original wholeness.>>563246451Wrong. It's called non duality. And it's not a joke, it's the truth of the situation. You can prove this to yourself by trying to observe the true underlying self of experience: One-Thing, or illustrate it via a thought experiment, to be done '1st person', as if you are having the experience:>Sit comfortably. Now imagine turning off your senses one by one:>Turn off vision. Are you still there?>Turn off sound. Still there?>Turn off bodily sensations, such as the feeling of the chair beneath you. Uh-huh?>Turn off thoughts. Where/what are you now?>Some people are left with a fuzzy sense of being "located". This is just a residual thought. Turn that off too.You're still there, you realise; you are a wide-open "aware space" in which those other experiences appeared. That background, that awareness, is God. It's who you actually are, not abstractly, but really. You are this One-Thing that persist existing even when all experience fades. Having forgotten your primordial nature, you wander the world yourself create, until you are inspired to find yourself and return to God once again.
>>563246503Murder would entail it can't be justified, I feel like aborting an unborn defection is just euthanasia, as in literally "good death"; mercy killing. It's bad but not as bad as aborting a perfectly fine person, there's no way to justify that other than irresponsibility with your own functions. The difference is that I don't consider the retard a "person". Of course what constitutes a "retard" is also debateable.
>>563246827Euthanasia is also just murder.
>>563232117German isn't the same as Germanic
>>563246824You are truly a wise Sufi, scholar.
>>563246827From our perspective it is a mercy killing but if you left a retard live their life they'll probably enjoy it, as they literally know no better. I appreciate the nuance.
>>563246824That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skin so I can't even imagine turning it off.
>>563246451Authors borrow metaphysical concepts from mythology all the time. Lovecraft probably read hindu religious texts and got that from the Vedas, like the authors of Lord of Light and Morrowind did.
>>563246827>Of course what constitutes a "retard" is also debateable.You forgot the ,. Face the wall now.
>>563247178That would make sense too but my version is funnier.
>>563247085>That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skin so I can't even imagine turning it off.Experience is not necessary, because the knowledge of it precedes all experience. Imagining it is more than enough because you can't image yourself being divided from your perspective. It's always contained in an undivided whole referencial field on which you experience your localized self. There's no world outside ourselves, we just imagine that there is; it only becomes a thing once we actually get there ourselves.
>>563246984I specifically said "good death" to define euthanasia, not whatever official practice you may be thinking of. A killing that is done to avoid further unnecessary suffering and damage overall or waste of resources. A severely defective child (as in one who will never have a personality and will only have the most basic animal parts of a human being, thus not a person) will probably be much more costly and consuming to look after, not just in money terms but also like for example if the family has other perfectly fine children who actually do have a future, less attention and resources etc go to them because of the care of that non-person. I'm just saying I can see why a parent wouldn't want that and it's justified.
>>563232606The most useful definition of solipsism in philosophy is as a metaphysical stance relative to the question of other minds. A solipsist answers that question saying other minds definitely don't exist. I doubt many or any here would advocate such a strong position. It's certainly a possible perspective one could take objectively (although strangely), and it's also one a subjectivist could take within the context of it being illusory like all possible perspectives.
>words words wordsImagine kissing Julia
>>563247503>I'm just saying I can see why a parent wouldn't want that and it's justified.It's not, should have kept your legs closed. You decided to play the game of reproduction knowing you could lose, it's not to the kid to get sacrificed so you can avoid the consequences you agreed to.
I didn't know there so many philsofags here, what do you guys recommend for reading if I want to acquire some of the knowledge you guys have?
The Coffin Of Andy and LeyLey?
>>563247712Read Universal Line by John Paolucci and go from there. https://mega.nz/folder/Lx4iFL6I#BegNbkCyWo6vU48tHQdwXg
>>563247064Yeah but that's the thing, I think a human being is supposed to have individuality and will beyond just a very basic form of existence. They can enjoy life all they want but do they deserve life? It may sound harsh but I think people keep that huge blob of an animalistic flesh like a child that never grows up or a pet. That feels more inhuman to me than killing them but idk I'm kind of a psychopath.
>>563247672NTA but saying it's not isn't really a sound argument. His saying that really retarded people lack the qualities that make us Human.
>>563247747Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.>>563247712Read post on /x/ and /lit/, copy their phrasing, terms and format and pretend you know what you're talking about.
>>563247712The Anabasis of Xenophon, Dakyns translation.
>>563247747Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.>>563247712Read post on /x/ and /lit/, copy their phrasing, terms and format and pretend you know what you're talking about.>>563247873>but idk I'm kind of a psychopath.That make you more defective as a social animal and thus a human than the people you condemn.>>563247890>His saying that really retarded people lack the qualities that make us Human.That's just outright nonsense then.
>>563241774>I'm sure her feet smell amazingI wouldn't be so sure anon. The graves barely got Ashley the basics so she stayed alive but didn't care about her that much, so she probably had to grow into those boots she always wears and had to use them for years. Now IMAGINE the powerful stench of Ashley's pale feet trapped in those stuffy boots for YEARS
>>563247873I can see where you're coming from but killing them just seems like an unnecessary expenditure of life. I think that if they're out of the womb at the very least that you may as well let them live. You don't kill other animals for lacking human qualities or being unaware of their existence (unless you're insane ig).
>>563247712The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
>>563248036>That's just outright nonsense then.I wasn't commenting on the merit of his argument, just merely pointing out that you should attack the core of the argument/argument itself instead of a simple rejection.
>>563248114>or being unaware of their existenceDownies are very aware of their own existence, where the fuck does that argument come from?Fucking chimp are aware of their own existence, as are Gorillas.
>>563248163Melancholy? She looks perfectly fine to me.
>>563248293Yeah but I mean aware in the same way that most other humans are.
>>563247210The fuck I never promised correct punctuation!! I want my lawyer!>>563247672>knowing you could loseYeah I just don't subscribe to that, it's not the same as some unchaste bitch aborting an unwanted child. Nobody signs up for sex with the idea that it may be severely defective and depressive and time/money/attention consuming (all for nothing btw) and acting as if you assumed that for people who just wanted an extension of themselves that would represent them after their passing is crueller than the abortion of that waste of carbon for me. I'm just empathizing with a family like that, I can't see myself ever truly considering such a child a worthy human being, let alone MY child.
>>563248295English names are dumb, don't blame me.
>>563248403>Nobody signs up for sex with the idea that it may be severely defective and depressive and time/money/attention consumingIt's their fault for being unaware and unthinking then.>I want my lawyer!Those are for people, not retards. Now face the wall.>>563248381That's not really how awareness works. If you're sapient, you're sapient. If you're not, you're not. It's a threshold type of deal, there's no level of awareness higher than sapience as far as we know.
>>563248094Are they really in their 20's? I think the story would have made more sense if they were in their teen years.
>>563232606>Wheeler Delayed Choice experiment: A pair of physicists recently performed an updated version of John Wheeler's famous Delayed Choice experiment, this time with a helium atom. To put it very simply, a particle (in this case an atom that has the physical properties of weight and mass) can behave either as a discrete particle or as a wave. We've known this particle/wave duality for some time. But this experiment proves that whether the atom behaved as either a particle or a wave can be decided after the fact. In this version of the test, physicists were able to add a second gate that would force the particle to behave as a wave, even after the particle had already passed through the detector. According to one of the physicists involved in the experiment, Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering, "At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it.">What it really means is that, in effect, the atom didn't behave one way or the other at the time. However, the observations you make later decide if reality will behave "as if" it had.Basically, reality is a self contained subjective phenomenon of each own. So if you interpretate reality to be Solipsistic, you will find later on reasoning and facts that will confirm whatever proves you that it's true, because reality throws back at you things according to the perspective you adopt. In this way, Solipsisim is like a mask to filter reality trought, and even make it behave as if, depending what that implies to you.
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>>563248036>That's just outright nonsense then.My definition of human may be somewhat outlandish and cruelle, but I'm just trying to think of the good of everybody!>That make you more defective as a social animal and thus a human than the people you condemnI don't "condemn" them (you may say I condemn them to death but I don't think they should be aborted no matter what, just that it's understandable), they're just undeserving of life.Also nah, history is written by psychos and the like.
>>563248636>outright hostilityI won didn't I
>>563248798>Also nah, history is written by psychos and the like.Psychos as in psychotics, anon. Psychopath were generally rejected and hunted down in history due their lack of capacities for integration with others in society.Meanwhile psychotics were generally thought to be conduits of the gods due to their social hyperactivity and impressive social displays.
Solipsism is logistically and rationally invincible. The only thing for sure that is absolute is consciousness. You could be in a dream within a dream within a dream, inside of the matrix, inside another dream, inside a lab where your brain is in a vat, inside another dream, high on 10 psychedelics, DMT, shrooms, LSD combined...you could be being hypnotized, controlled by aliens, inside virtual reality...none of it matters in comparison to raw consciousness. Consciousness is the only persistent thing across all of these. It is the ultimate, irrefutable, invincible truth. Go and ask /sci/ or any philosopher and they can do absolutely NOTHING about it. Everything that exists is encapsulated within consciousness, which is equivalent to ones own existence.There being an "internal" and "external" world are mental fabrications...they are a "thought" and "belief" in your mind. It is a belief that an external world and people exist and that they are separate from you and your internal world. Additionally nothing else exists without you being conscious to observe it. There is no (yo-)universe without you.The only thing that holds a candle to solipsism is faith, and perhaps language...words themselves alter your very perception of reality...even listening to what I have typed has altered your perspective and how you see reality. Faith is a requirement to function in this world. Faith that something exists outside of ones own consciousness...faith that your memories are trustworthy, that history is trust worthy, that people are trust worthy, that your 5 senses are trustworthy. This is what scientists, philosophers and rationalists must submit too (which is hypocritical considering they deny God but demand proof). All scientists, mathematicians, linguists or philosophers build their arguments foundationally upon axioms or tautologies...which are based on assumptions that they're not dreaming, that their memories are trust worthy, etc
>>563248967>He forgot the question mark AND the , againMinor spelling mistake, I win.
>>563249002Nta but it's the exact opposite, psychotics are the ones who don't survive in nature
>>563248745Wait, but what if quantum mechanics proves subjective idealism true and not solipsism? Like, your mind is not the only one that exists, multiple minds to exist, but there is no objective reality, reality is the convergence of all these subjective realities.
>>563249116I-It's intenshunal chud!! It mayx it funnie..
>>563249172Good thing we're talking about human society then.
>>563249338Ashley, more like Dumbshley.
>>563249009Solid post.
>>563249303There's no fundamental difference between Solipsisim, Non duality and Subjective idealism AT ALL. They are just simply conceptual ways to convey and point at reality being subjective. For example, there are two sorts of illusion:>Seeing something as it is but misunderstanding its nature (seeing objects in front of me but thinking there is a real solid secret underlying object beyond the visual image).>Seeing something as it is not (seeing a "snake" only to later realise that it is a "rope", and then seeing it as a rope).The first is easy to explain. The evidence is the same, the interpretation is different. We do not see the interpretation, we think it. In the second case, though, we see the interpretation. One solution would be to say that we always experience the interpretation, so there is really only one kind of illusion. We always see our conclusions, but assume those conclusions are the nature of the objects; we only notice this when the conclusion changes and experience 'snaps' from one form to the other. However, this gets us back to there being two levels again: what I experience, and what is "really there".
>>563248036>Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.Interesting, a question: What's exactly Andrew's philosophy? Nihilism?
>>563249364It makes even LESS sense then! Psychotic implies delusion or an inability to discern what is or isn't real in general. At least the psychopath is aware of what's real and distorts it to his own will by using others, and that is most of history because influence usually works in a similar way.
>>563249539>We do not see the interpretation, we think it.That's kind of a wordplay more than a real reasoning IMO.
>>563249009Liquid post.
>>563249678>Psychotic implies delusion or an inability to discern what is or isn't real in general.Anon, who the fuck do you think were the dickheads who decided they were the sons of the sun and everyone should dance naked while high on shrooms every full moon?>>563249656He's a romantic so very much not nihilism.
>>563249687It's literally the mechanic at play here. > Conclusion -> ExperienceWe think objects in experience have some inherent meaning when it's actually something we just formulate to make sense of experience to date trough the current available information, but this process is retroactive as well (what i know NOW means that event BACK THEN...), so it's not constant. A subjective idealist for instance would affirm that "everything means what you decide it means" and that meaning is You (again, is really not different from Non duality, where you acknowledge the undivided nature of experience and sense it directly).
>>563249824>dickheads who decided they were the sons of the sun and everyone should dance naked while high on shrooms every full moon?What? That's just tradition that developped over eons by the people collectively that they also abide by because they're a product of their time, not like the actions of an individual that changes history according to his will. I mean, I guess you can say one person must've started one tradition at some point, but eventually it's all interconnected and are completely collective, in contrast to a conqueror or a warlord or an ideologue or a prophet or something.
>>563249539You can assume them to be the same, until contemplating the illusion thing, and realising there was still an implied split level (e.g The experience of looking at paintings and - snap - suddenly realise what they are depicting, etc). Does non-duality work around it by saying that "the stuff of the world" has both a physical and mental aspect? Or is it more akin to an 'extended idealism', where we are saying that all objects are made of 'mind' but they arise from a continuous background of 'mind', like a blanket folding in on itself to make shapes, or waves in water. In other words, idealism with self-awareness and no divisions. Which I guess is the same as materialism with self-awareness and no divisions.
>>563249009>There being an "internal" and "external" world are mental fabricationNot only that, but these fabrications are first brought into your mentality by your physical senses. The senses cannot tell the difference between reality and a very convincing illusion. Senses are interpreted by the self and the self is the only thing that actually EXISTS. Or merely my self.
>get home from work and skim the threadAre you all having fun? I can't really tell if this is high level conversation or if you're all yelling at each other
>>563250328If I came in Giantley's mouth would she be able to taste it?
>deep, high IQ and well-read philosophical debates in slightly slow /calg/ on a Saturday morningI am dead and this is heaven.
>>563250539>on a Saturday morningIt's Friday night
>>563250328>>563250467The absolute fucking duality of man
Ngl I feel like historical shit getting reportfagged but this philsophshit not is a double standard.
>>563246297I would say that all three are true. But we could maybe make the following three statements:>Experiencing is absolute.>Content is relative.>There is no "outside" to experiencing.Everything beyond that is a discussion about content. There's really nothing beyond consciousness and intention that's not imagined/mental/simply relative content of experience.
>>563250690Nigga how? Where the hell are you?
>>563250709That's the difference between a rational conversation between adults and two /pol/niggers trying to prove how white they are
>>563250709The game is about psychology, not seething over Horatio Nelson.
>>563250709It wasn't just /his/shit, that was also a hissy fit (heh) (see what I did there). These anons are perfectly civil.
>>563250853It is 11:26PM EST, /calg/'s time zone
I said I was going to sleep hours ago but alas I have encountered a rare moment of actually enjoyable /calg/ that is not just "today my sister..." or posting fanart of siblings kissing. 'Tis what 'tis, I'm not sleepy anyway.
>>563250837Descriptions are only useful ways to conceptualize the truth and use it for one's end but its reach depends on the level of truth you're acting on. The most stripped-down, logically consistent version of the description always reduces itself to a basic paradox: that of something which is non-spatial and non-temporal, also being spatial and temporal - simultaneously, in parallel, but also out of time and without location. We're approaching to the nature of One-Thing here. >There is the nature of experience and there is content of experience.>The nature is always absolutely true and cannot be argued for or against, it is just 100% the case.>The content is only relatively true and you can argue about that however you want.>You can only know the 100% truth by directly realising it in experience, by adopting its shape.>You cannot think of it, because to think at all is to shift yourself into the shape of the thought.>However, you can infer it via thought, concluding logically from the shifting nature of content.The truth is that which doesn't change, and the consciousness that you are never change, it will always persist, as the container of reality itself, and you never experience any other reality besides your own. The key here is shifting perspective to the reference field and acknowledging the relative for what it is: An extension of yourself, of your current mental state.
>>563247085>That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skinWhen you feel like you're a limited being, a "regular human" in this case, you FEEL a certain way, your EXPECTATION mechanism is determined by this FEELING. You EXPECT that you can't get stuff because you're limited. At the same time, the FEELING is determined by your current understanding: "I know that I'm just a limited human".So if you shift your understanding, you affect the entire chain: >understanding >affects> feeling >affects> expectation >affects> manifest reality.You change the beginning of the chain, you also change how you feel about reality, you also change the things you expect. The shift occurs only at the "noetic level", in your "understanding", and this shift transforms the way you interact with yourself, that is, with the "universe". If you understand/internalize that single fact, you don't need to know anything else.If you change your understanding you affect the whole chain. But there's more. >If you change your feeling (which is the path of pure faith) you will also change the whole chain.>If you change your expectation (which is the path of the "mentalist") you will also change the whole chain.>If you change your manifest reality by means of manifest means (which is the path of the average human) you will also change the whole chain.Just think about that.
>>563252036This one's not good...
>>563250185>>563249009>>563249539i think an uncomfortable truth a lot of people here aren't willing to accept is that oneness and solipsism are really not that different. from my knowledge the only real difference is that solipsism places the individual at the center of conscious existence, where as with oneness you are somewhere on its periphery or not there at all. what they both do is reduce reality to existing within a single mind.in our waking experience we often divide reality into two components the outer objective world and the inner subjective one. what psychedelics due imo is it blends these two components together into one and from that perspective it makes sense one would come with the conclusion of either solipsism or oneness (personally i think they are roughly the same thing). oneness and solipsism have a common theme in that they both reduce reality to one singular experience.
>>563250328>>563250467>>563250706Gem
>>563232606To my mind solipsism lacks nothing, assuming we understand properly what solipsism entails. The problem is, most people don't understand solipsism at all. So a common misunderstanding of a solipsist view is something like "Anon is a solipsist because he believes his body is real while all the other bodies are unreal and are manifest inside Anon's body's brain." This is not even remotely close to solipsism, and yet this is what people commonly have in mind when they pejoratively try to put solipsism down.Solipsism subsumes all qualities and therefore lacks nothing whatsoever. Solipsism has explanations for othering (disowning an aspect of your own mind, thus creating a subconscious and seemingly autonomously operating domain), for the fracturing of your own perspective to account for other minds, for stabilizing experience to make a portion of experience appear material without it actually being material, etc. Basically whatever experience exists, solipsism has a very neat and simple explanation for it. But the important point is that solipsism is not necessarily a replacement for other ways of thinking, but rather it's their root. So the metaphor here is that the roots of a tree do not replace the trunk or the branches or the leaves. Solipsism is the most correct, the most flawless view. From there we can introduce some constraints and we can relate to these constraints as if they were axiomatic, and if we do this consistently, this becomes a metaphysical commitment and a kind of habituation which can last from life to life to life.
>>563252230"Solipsism" is a trigger word for a lot of people. Once they hear or think that something is solipsistic, their thinking shuts down. It's hard to deal with this in physics, because physics is by design a collaborative process, and very few people know how to reconcile collaboration and solipsism. Most people assume that collaboration necessitates a non-solipsistic worldview, so dealing with this in physics is hard. But dealing with it in private life is easy: just don't talk to people who are triggered by "solipsism". You know when someone tells you "If you really believe in solipsism, why are you talking to me?" You can just say, "Why would I ever want to cross my arms? Don't you know that the only reason to cross one's arms is to keep the left arm from falling off with your right, and to keep the right arm from falling off by hanging onto it with your left. If both arms are the same body, why cross them????" The absurdity of this position should be obvious.
>>563232606>All those solipsists apologistsJesus. Reality exists outside the human mind. Object permanence is testament to that. Perception of reality, now that's different. It varies from person to person, but even then, there are traits that humans share psychologically that lend to a shared perception of what's "real". For example, as long as both of our eyes are within nominal health, you and I will perceive 400mm wavelengths of light as "blue", an agreed-upon reality that we share.
>>563253009>Reality exists outside the human mind. Object permanence is testament to that.says your mind
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>>563253009>Reality exists outside the human mind.How do you know this? You can't experience a reality outside your own mind. What if all others humans, objects and physical laws are your own creation, like in a dream?
>>563253145>>563253350Let's say I'm gonna give you a theoretical drug that will completely shut down all feelings and perceptive organs in your body for some time. Will I stop existing because of that? No. And you will know that because I will be kicking you in the balls for all that time. Non stop, just go hog wild on your jewels. Anon, I'm gonna kick your balls so hard that when you come back to your senses you will regret having them. And thanks to that pain that will last for days, you will know that world keeps going even without you and frankly it does not care about your profound philosophy of solipsism.
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>>563253539I just knew sooner or later at least one of you was going to chimp out on this topic. >Anon, I'm gonna kick your ballsNo, you won't. You don't get solipsism at all, it means only my awareness is certain to be "real", but that doesn't mean me, you, or the world ceases to exist. It only means it is all created by my awareness, and is running automatically. Not created by my brain, because there are limits to the brain (which ironically were created by myself), but my awareness. And the world could stop going if I wanted, however you wouldn't experience it, only me, because it is all my experience. And subjective experience is all that matters, you can escape materialism but you can't ever escape experiencing.
>>563253785I get the idea, I just find it extremely impractical. Your "awareness" was born from the objective world outside your awareness or agency (aka your parents procreating). Your awareness is affected and formed by objective world outside of your awareness. And your awarenesswill end because of things that happen in the objective world that you may not even perceive. So, what's the point? What does one gain from solipsism? It has no practical value and very little artistic value. Philosophy without a point is akin to masturbation.
>>563254030>Your "awareness"" was born from the objective world outside your awareness" or agencyNo it wasn't, awareness has always been there and always will be, what was born from the "objective world" was my body.>Your awareness is affected and formed by objective world outside of your awarenessNo it isn't, my mind is, not my awareness.>And your awareness will end because of things that happen in the objective worldIt can't end, because it is impossible to experience nothing (and even if you did, the experience of "nothing" still being something to be experienced, it's never "nothing" as such).>So, what's the point? What does one gain from solipsism?It is purely personal gain, think of it as becoming lucid in a dream. You can do anything and everything. Since you've gotten in the habit of being a human, you've forgotten that you are essentially God, but like any habit it can be undone. The more you think of life as a dream the more incredible magick you can do, the more changes to you world you can do. It is entirely up to me what to do with it and only I can experience it.
>>563242491>implying people dont drink vodka in britain
>>563253348>try /calg/ game maybe guysKEKIT KNOWS
>>563254030>It has no practical value and very little artistic valueHow it doesn't have any practical value? If anything is a shortcut to direct self realization. Modern day literary conflict is how intense the "psychological warfare" has been going on over the global population at large and it will only intensify as media generating tech like AI keep gaining prominence. How much of the world you have to see to start questioning what people have told you so far about reality? If i have a capacity of imagining something else, that experience exist already in a logical space to be experienced. If i can just dream just like that, and the concept of persisting in a dream world trough vollition (aka lucid dreaming) can be such a thing that i can just do, how it differs from my current waking life? What makes my dreams fictional and what makes this world "real"? And so on, and so forth. If anything, Solipsisim give the most common sense answer of "reality it's whatever i decide to be" and leave it at that, the only problem would be is that people generally doesn't take it all the way and set it as a path that could alter their experience. Also, it has a lot of potential artistic value: Games like Disco Elysium, Silent Hill 2 and Coffin for example explore the dream-like reality, and blends a psychological mental world with psyquedelic quasi metaphysical reality. If anything, materialism has proven to be shallow and it's the actual core of the most boring corporate made "artistic" outcomes that the two recent decades has been producing so far, both in entertaiment and actual artistic design.
>>563253772>Ashley could have had this if she hadn't dropped out of high schoolSO WITH SADNESS IN MY HEARTFEEL THE BEST THING I COULD DOIS END IT ALL AND LEAVE FOREVERWHAT'S DONE IS DONEIT FEELS SO BADWHAT ONCE WAS HAPPY NOW IS SADI'LL NEVER LOVE AGAINMY WORLD ISENDING
>>563249539Nonduality is more like>God is consciousness itself, and you're it>Every single one of us it's it, but looking trough the perspective of the person who is reading this right now>Every single person live in their self contained experience; the world rather than a place, is like an etheric field blanket that expands trought the awareness of the observer, reality it's dream-like>You already knew this but forgot, and you're set to find out at some point, expanding awareness and fulfilling your purpose (true will, desire, ascension)We are all one with the universe, and the universe is us. It's the "We are the universe experiencing itself" that you would hear repeated often around this stuff. As Alan Watts said it perfectly, "As the ocean waves, the universe peoples". We are all extensions of the same "thing". We do not "come into" into this world; this world has arised within ourselves. We all come from the same totality, that has spread out into people, this world, and basically everything across existence, present and potential.
>>563253009The usual argument against solipsism is that people behave as if there are other people. In my view there are not even other people, because there is not even me. So you would still interact with other characters, because you are having fun 'playing the part of your character', whilst really being 'wide open space'. In fact, you are all the characters, fundamentally, on a sort of "time share" basis. If you are the dream, then does solipsism go away as a problem?
So how many of you niggas are using LoA to make your sister fall in love with you? lmao, don't tell me it hasn't crossed your mind
>>563255818I am on solid ground with the "all there is, is awareness", because supposing an "external reality" it would have to be made of the same thing. In other words, I know "my" own experience is made from awareness, so even if my experience is affected causally by patterns outwith my direct experience, they must also be made of awareness in order to have an effect. There's no objective reality hiding behind your experiences just waiting to be experienced. It manifests when, and only when, it's experienced.>>563256367There was someone back in the day who attempted it with some trick shared by other anon, but never reported back.
>>563249539Idealism is the idea that matter as a concept isn't entirely coherent when scrutinized. There can be 'things' as patterns in experience that we believe obey certain rules in relation to other things (these rules or 'laws' are often derived from induction, though sometimes also from others telling us how things work). However, 'prime matter' is simply a reference to the forms or patterns that we expect to find upon magnification. There is no metaphysical matter hiding beyond the things and patterns we currently believe there are (though there may be more forms and patterns to discover). There are two forms of solipsism. Weak solipsism is the position that we cannot know anything outside of our own mind. Strong solipsism is the position that nothing exists outside of our own mind. Weak solipsism seems obvious to me (however, I am an epistemic skeptic - I think that we cannot have all of our beliefs based on logical demonstration, including beliefs about our own mind). Strong solipsism is, similar to strong realism, a way of believing, but its 'truth' cannot be known. So the essential difference between idealism and solipsism is this: Idealists believe that all is mind, and that there are or may be many minds interacting. Solipsists believe that there is only one mind for sure and possibly believe that there is definitely only one mind at all.
>>563256892>MatterHere's an argument against matter:>There are no properties that are not experiential in nature.>A material thing must be discerned from a non-material thing according to certain properties.>A material thing's properties are subjective and experiential in nature.The materiality or non-materiality of a thing is internal, like being blue or not blue, rather than external.>Therefore, matter is not external, and is not matter as usually understood in terms of a externally real, self-existing substance. "Matter" is just a collection of internal properties (i.e. beliefs and experiences): stability, predictability, etc.>Therefore, matter as usually understood does not exist.We never actually experience matter as such, and even if "we do", that matter is made of the same subtance that everything else is: Awareness. And awareness itself it's contained within consciousness by default, experienced inside consciousness.>All is awareness>The universe is awareness>All in consciousness>I am consciousness>I am the universe
>>563253348>ashley sex true
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>>563232606If solipsism is true then every all the people on this thread are the greatest of all faggots since all the gay furry porn on the internet is a product of their mind.
>>563245568I was also thinking, so the problem with Solipsism is that, everyone and everything is a projection of your own mind. With this realization, you'd become lonely, realizing that you're the only "real person". But how would you even feel lonely without a point of reference to begin with? Like, I don't think the feeling of loneliness would exist for you, unless you weren't alone to begin with. So with that reasoning, you can't be alone, even if your whole reality is a dream, right? If solipsism is true, then there's really nothing else to know, and if it's true now, then it was always true, so if this is the true essence of reality, then why are so many people afraid of it? While people can get results from adopting this mindset, the essence of things remains the same. Maybe because of our prior conditioning?
>>563258646>so the problem with Solipsism is that, everyone and everything is a projection of your own mind. With this realization, you'd become lonely, realizing that you're the only "real person". But how would you even feel lonely without a point of reference to begin with? Like, I don't think the feeling of loneliness would exist for you, unless you weren't alone to begin with. So with that reasoning, you can't be alone, even if your whole reality is a dream, right? I don't think that follows, santa can not exist but you can still be sad he's not real, correct me if I'm wrong
>>563258824I'm arguing that if loneliness exists, the concept of “others” must have an origin, and that origin implies you aren’t (or weren’t) truly alone. In solipsism, if you're truly alone and everyone is just a figment of your mind, where did the idea of "others" come from? Where did the feeling of loneliness come from if there was never a real experience or concept of togetherness?
>>563253009Solipsism is true, but not in the way you think. You see, we are all one, we are all reflections of creation and creation is our reflection, just as others had said so far. There's really nothing else to it really, even if you accept it or not it will remain there, it's just that accepting it make life easier when you decide to live it.
>>563253348I can't wait to so how this philosophy thread is gonna look like
>>563253348>incest wronguh bros? why's the cloud rebelling?
>>563256476>but never reported back.I shall be the tester of this, though I don't have a sister so I will use an innocent bystander female instead. Any suggestions? I'm thinking my hot cousin is a good subject.
>>563260285>I'm thinking my hot cousin is a good subject.I remember back then when LoA threads on /x/ were full to the brim of people trying to fuck their hot cousin with magick.
>>563255241>>563255818>>563257306Good posts but why the FUCK on Nemlei's green earth do you keep saying "it's" when you say "is", my brain shits itself everytime I read it.
>>563260694Jesus Christ. This is the proof we are all one person... Or that incest and /x/fag LoA philosophy go hand in hand.
>>563259836>inb4 a giant "SOLIPSISM" instead of "ashley" or "sister"
>>563261153>This is the proof we are all one personWe're the ONE all person my man :)
>>563261153Hivemind desu
Ok, to wrap this up, if solipsisim is true, then what about death? We just get swallowed up and emerge as someone else? Or we redo this life? Or we have some afterlife? Or we're actually able to chose where we go from there? Is going to sleep like death? Death doesn't exist as such because we never stop experiencing things?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe
>>563228393That's MY ritual post, how dare you copy me!
If solipsism is true and I’m fucking my sister… does that mean I’m fucking myself???
>>563261875I think the experience of dead is as illusory as any other experience really. I mean, we can die, but it would be more akin to cease the connection we have with this current frequency and then shifting to another, just like when you go dreaming but if you stayed there and forgot entirely about your prior memories, or maybe a very extreme version of reality shifting where, again, you may lose your memories prior to that. This is why people who report NDE have a hard time believing what they just went trough because it really feel like the entire structure of reality simply falls apart to reintegrate themselves in it again. It doesn't help that this stuff can only be experienced by oneself because other people are also part of your dream (and you're part of theirs, as "they" are the ones dreaming from their perspective).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_argument
https://x.com/i/status/2042630844301602843
>>563263070Andrew is yet again, very subtle, very professional. I kneel.
You fuck her
>>563260694all me btw
>>563266864actually, she fucks me
>>563266864I like the hag expression here, I like to think she wasn’t surprised at all in this moment
>>563267515It's impressive the idea her kids are fucking each other got to her that much even after all the other shit that happened to her that day.
>>563261265MayHapS tHe sTarS aLigN.
>>563264538There's not a lot of issues that can't be solved, or at least fairly mitigated by sisterkisses.
Sisters are sisters
>>563268520No man would have depression if he got at least one kiss from his sister every day.
The cure for depression is titfucking your sister
>>563269226Orgasms feel good but they won't fix deep sadness. That's something that requires a genuine connection and unconditional love.
>>563267515She honestly has some of the best expressions in the game. Can't really explain why though.
>>563269702Yeah, orgasms are a fix in the sense that you get a dopamine hit. But you'll end up needing it 3x a day and you'll still cry yourself to sleep.>unconditional loveNo such thing.
>>563270742>No such thing.Soften your heart and open it to the mysteries of life.
>>563269702You wouldn't paizuri your sister if you didn't love each other, right?
>>563271808True, but then that's not the tittyfucking that's curing you, it's what the tittyfucking means. It's not your dick getting sandwiched, it's your heart.
>>563271870Yeah but what if your sister has really big tits?
>>563272182Point taken, I concede.
This is the best detailed sprite Nemlei ever made: the lost hope in his eyes, the sadness, the void emanating from him... you can see Andrew is a dead man walking, a husk of a man.
fart nigga
>>563272407Dinner.
>It sounds like you lived a very hard life, Andrew. I can fix that you know...
You know, I've been on a binge of games similar to coffin. I kept seeing people Recommend Fear and Hunger, but my god is it hard. Does anyone know the best way to play it? Should I just keep dying on repeat or be a brainlet and look up a guide?
headaches fucking blow
>>563274018
https://x.com/i/status/2042639908888862752
>>563274641my bad
>>563271870I wish MY sister would sandwich my big, throbbing, hungry brother [HEART] between her massive [LOVE]s...
Just a thought, imagine if all of your /calg/ posts you’ve ever made were sent to your closest family, how fucked would you be?
I present to /calg/ one of the most Coffincore-est songs ever, it's also canonically about sibling incesthttps://youtu.be/dcP5Fi-WrjY?si=afHMVAeZIxFoyjb6>Her every word was in italics>As it would fall from her lips>The walls made of broken promises>He hoped this wouldn't be his>She said tell me what to do>He knew right then he was done>Feeling lonely and confused>He said>"You better lie down cause the angels are watching">She closed her eyes and said quit the talking>You can hurt me do whatever you likeAny further presentation of the Coffincore-est songs is welcome.
>>563275282I imagine they'd dismiss them given that they're all in English. All the pictures of Ashley's ass or two very similar looking emos kissing and hugging would probably confuse them though.
>>563237521Can you read you fuckin retard
>>563267640I felt more like she was trying to get into Andrew’s head, accusing him of being a simp for not helping his parents
>>563275232based
>>563275232I wish MY [SOULMATE] would sandwich my big, throbbing, hungry [LOVER] [HEART] between her massive [LOVE]s...
scary fart nigga
>>563277351Not cute slop nigga
>>563276667Douglas and Renee are honorary delphics, they are siblings in spirit.
Goddamnit, I leave Calg for a while, and I missed the devlog and all the discussion around it! FUCK!
>>563277993Restart the discussion so we could argue some more!
>>563279914I feel like every single issue the siblings have had could've been solved if Ashley just got laid.
>>563279997Getting laid alone won't change a thing. Both siblings' issues would be solved if they admit two things.1. They are broken beyond repair and will never fit into society, they can only minimize the damage of unresolved traumas.2. They have no one else beyond each other, they should love each other to the point that if one dies, the other will follow.
Bratty sisters get it up the shitter!
>>563275282Extremely fucked, I've posted about my sister a lot here. If my family got all my /calg/ posts, I'd never be allowed on a computer again
Ashley may not know how to pronounce forte, but she uses subjunctives correctly. Smartley knows grammar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvFqC5jo2w
has someone ever done an Ashley as the 9mm go bang animation
>>563283907>Hey Ashley, how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?
>>563286138>But I did have breakfast this morning... You were there too, don't you remember?
>>563285669Who the fuck literally listens to Dexter OSTs
Just stated Mogeko's Castle. Very bizzare so far. I can see why people say the game is Nemleian
>>563287384It's one of the foundational Nemleivanias.
>>563287384Enjoy anon.
>>563287384Fran Bow also feels a lot like a Nemlei type of game
>>563287028i do.it's just one of the top search results when you look up perfidia mambo all stars, it's also one of the videos that doesn't abruptly end the song
>>563288583A little bit of LeyLey in my lifeA little bit of Julia to get through my strife A little bit of Lady for the dupeA lil bit of Renee in my soupA little bit of Jane to keep me plainA little bit of Nina trauma persistsA little bit of you makes me wild sis
