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>Previous Thread
>>563747519
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We just need a happy medium where we keep Casual Matchmaking but also add in team-switching, ad-hoc connections, and the map timer.
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>no inclusion of kog
abandon thread
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>>563961002
no, we don't, we need quickplay back
valve is retarded and casual is never going to work
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>>563961002
YEP.
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>>563961097
I was about to make one but he beat me to it, I'll wait until the next OP
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>didn’t add kogasatopia (contrary to the wishes expressed by the marketplace of ideas)
shit thread
you’ve just lost yourself a poster
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>>563961265
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>>563961317
>anti kog is a feralfaggot
ew
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>>563961265
rq
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What should the next OP be?
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>>563961441
>>563961228
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>>563961441
Sniper’s kangaroo wife
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>>563961265
>contrary to the wishes expressed by the marketplace of ideas)
what marketplace of ideas? you?
the rest of us said no, deal with it
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>>563961441
it should be the medic, because i love the medic

>>563961710
you said bo!!! I saw that!!!!!!!! *laughs at you, but not in way because we all make mistakes. *
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valve bring back 45 minute timers
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>>563961563
>>563961710
lol
who's "us" btw?
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>>563961441
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>>563961810
non shartoid/kogasisters
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3 NIGAS
ON CART
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>>563961762
>>563961810
minor spelling mistake, haha!
kog is still never going back in the OP, deal with it
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>>563962124
its ok pal, i fucked up when i made fun of you here too >>563961762
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Did Zesty win yet?
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>>563961248
I apologize for missing the timeframe as well, I was still waking up
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>>563961810
>who's "us" btw?
Read the last thread, you're in the minority.
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I am reminded of time Engineer kill my entire team
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>>563962383
shoves wrench down throat...
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>gloating about kog not being in the op
So anti kog posters are drama queens, what a surprise
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>563962519
sister... its the other way around kogasissies cant seem to stop effeminately complaining!
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>>563962519
>gloating
looks to me more like the kogsisters started crying immediately and are the real drama queens for not getting what they wanted
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>>563962519
>excluding a 4chan server from the OP
pretty much
meanwhile redditway is still there
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>>563962707
>a 4chan server
lol
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>>563962519
imo Kogasatopia is much closer to /tf2g/ culturally than the Party Van is. I think it would be a good idea to add it to the OP. The whiners simply dislike the people on the server but it's not a good reason to exclude it.
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>koga is more 4chan the the literal server that existed vg did
^this tranny is smoking not just dick i fear
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Now that the dust has settled, what do we think about the latest in Zesty Entertainment?
What's next for the Z-man?
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>>563962770
>free banter and sprays
your point being?
try doing the same thing on castaway and see how fast you're getting muted/kicked
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>>563962860
>The whiners simply dislike the people on the server but it's not a good reason to exclude it.
it is a valid reason to exclude it when they have a history of shitting up the thread because it's there
the problem is they can't just treat it as a server, it's their whole personality
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>>563961097
>>563961265
I already said it before, we won't be adding kog to the server list. This is final and i will not negotiate with sharty fags.
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>>563962639
Implying it won't be the other way around if it happens
When we get kog in the op you'll probably mass report it and make another thread out of spite, which no one has done here
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>>563962991
>What's next for the Z-man?
probably more matchmaking whining vids
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get in konata we're going camping
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>>563962991
>What's next for the Z-man?
quckplay vid is next
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>>563963026
who is we?
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>>563963041
holy shit you have no self awareness, the exact same shit applies to you
you immediately started telling people to leave this thread
>>563961097
>>563961265
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>>563963319
Those other posts aren't me + what I said still applies.
Get over it, how much of a baby are you to have "protecting the op" as your whole personality
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>>563963041
>When we get
You mean
>When I make an early thread to force it in there because I can't handle being told no
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>>563962860
kogasa is both active daily and 4chan adjacent, the only real argument that people have against it is 3 year old dead drama that no one cares about
>>563963026
again, who's "we"?
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>>563963546
>how much of a baby are you to have "protecting the op" as your whole personality
yeah, literally zero self awareness
how much of a baby are you to have "complain about not getting what I want" as your entire personality
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>>563963132
nice, finally
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>>563963683
This
>>563963732
>regurgitates what I said
Done.
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>>563963132
Oh hell yeah, will join when i get home
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>>563962991
I think this trvke is going to bring about a massive reckoning for the people at Valve and they will be forced to give into the revolutionary demands... by increasing map timers.
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>prefer to wear no cosmetics because the vanilla characters just look better
>medics just assume i'm a noob and ignore me even if i'm top scoring
what do...
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>>563964807
acquire taste idk
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>>563964874
i already did that's why i sold all my cosmetics
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It CANNOT take this long to check that MvM maps work dawg
What's that wigga Eric doing
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>>563965459
gooning to miss pauling
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GET ON KONATA
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>>563965648
i'm not transgendered, so no thank you.
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the trans mafia wants you in their servers so they can blackmail you later.
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>>563965703
name 1 non trans server
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>>563965892
konata dot tf
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>>563965459
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1824#event-24048397080
3 weeks ago he merged a bunch of bug fixes for Spy disguises so there should at least be patch notes soon™
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>>563965892
Tribe of Judah

>>563966203
he asked non-trans; not most.
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Scout giving a weak elastic rope lecture to shupos
This is peak TF2 content
Also, Nozomi already fell in love with a random kid on the island and tried to propose marriage, but it turns out that you have to put kid characters into the age o matic and make them adults for them to get married, which I didn't want to do with Nozomi
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>>563966230
No spawn outlines fix for the Spy yet?
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>>563966312
cute
>spoiler
based
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>>563966280
>Tribe of Judah
christ i hope this is a real server. this would be the funniest shit ever
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Thoughts on classified now that the dust has settled? Did le server verdiciation really kill the game?
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>>563972224
their oc guns killed the game i just wanted to play vanilla tf2
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>>563972224
the novelty wearing off killed it more than anything
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>>563972224
every normal person left post server verification and what you’re left with is these losers, creeps, and weirdos who want to lynch zesty jesus
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>>563972224
A verified system on paper doesn't sound bad, it just guarantees the server isn't malicious to players. Except for the hate speech rule (which is hard to enforce unless you have a dedicated mod team for your server), the other requirements are pretty much what you'd expect from a TF2 server (no cheating, no VIP perks, no admin abuse, etc...)
What I dislike is that they lied and give preferential treatment to verified servers which pretty much forces all servers to get verified if they want traffic. They're bumped to the top of the browser and are now advertised on their website (with more changes planned as the lead dev said)
They should remove all preferential treatment and just have a popup for unverified servers that says that they can't guarantee the quality of the experience, like we already have in TF2 for 25+ servers
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The Z-EMPEROR is live
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zesty
is
live
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>>563970238
oh its real son, its real
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>>563974937
>>563974952
omg hell yeah sisters
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I have decided I am going to grow a pony tail and get jeffrey dahmer glasses. I want to be just llke zesty
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>>563974952
>>563974937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go7jzjyv38Y
>not linking to his BBQ (Bring Back Quickplay) stream
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>CS2
> over 1 million players according to valve
>tf2
>50k-60thousand players
what explains this massive differential
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>>563976798
one has a functional ranked competitive mode and receives balance patches
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Babe, wake up! The Soldier's version of the Fore-Head Slice taunt just dropped!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3708997299
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>>563975304
hahahahahaha
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>>563977228
oh, that's gore of my comfort character...
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>>563977228
Nothing bad will happen by adding this, nope, nothing at all...
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>>563976798
Competitive is the future of gaming. Casual shooters like tf2 are an anachronism, a relic of a bygone era where people played games to have fun.
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>THIRD TRVKE CONFIRMED!!!
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>>563978795
what is it gonna be about?
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>>563979034
paizuri with lulu
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Got banned on Castaway for no reason. Fuck this gay earth.
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>>563979147
called gabber lithuanian?
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>Zesty read this post >>563951336
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>>563979275
Not to his face.
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>>563979147
same, but for sprays
i don't know why it's so hard for a non raped server to exist
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>>563979389
Dice, people don't like looking at loli porn.
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>>563979539
they don't seem to have a problem with my shota porn spray
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>>563979539
well, I do
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>>563979619
>>563979735
Revolting sprays are a good enough reason.
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>>563979735
Romanians are not people.
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>>563979539
>Dice
what?
>people don't like looking at loli porn
incredibly wrong
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Zesty, please say “Bitcoin” on stream.
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Polymarket: Will Valve bring back quickplay to TF2 by 2028?
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>remove all the maps no one plays
But I like banana bay :(
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Im telling you the biggest matchmaking defenders are the 2fort dwellers. It stands that they have the biggest reason to hate the 45 minute timer.
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>>563980153
Yellow Dice was the guy spammed loli porn on castaway
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>>563981281
no nigga
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>>563965459
mvm maps are not just the map, you also have to worry about missions. you have to balance robot spawns and money so players get a decent challenge that's also not just a repeat of missions they've seen before.
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>Late 1960s
>Leyendecker-inspired
>New Mexican desert
>Americana
>Rustic/Industrial
>Spyware
>The Incredibles-coded
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Only steers and queers live in Texas. And you don't look much like a steer to me.
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>>563983068
actually im a queer and my fursona is a steer
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>>563979034
baby making sex with lulu
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mge medals…
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https://charmstf.framer.website/
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e…etto…

updetto?
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>>563979878
oh, just realized you started schizo'ing
no idea who Yellow Dice is
>>563979831
maybe on reddittopia mate
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>>563984328
Reddittopia doesn't have sprays enabled retard
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>>563979539
Loads of trannies here love lolis what are you going on about
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>>563984402
exactly
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>>563984328
Yellow Dice is a Romanian pedophile who got banned from numerous tf2 servers because of his gross loli sprays. Even Kogasatopia told him to fuck off.
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>>563984024
eh, some of the charms in cs are neat, I wouldn't be completely against this
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https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/?changeid=35294531
>yesterday
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I'm very confident that 5 years from now, there will be an entire generation of sisters who will cite floor cleaning products as the reason they fucking died
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>>563984510
that's a lie, kog is the only server which lets yellow dice play, hence why it is the most 4chan
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>>563984510
retard, bant/kog is the only server who doesn't complain about my hat kid sprays for one hour looking at you castaway
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>>563984024
one of these should be decalable so I can have my waifu on my guns
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>>563986170
explain
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How to #FixTF2
>completely update the matchmaking system and cumbersome menus
>remove half of the halloween and christmas maps
>remove horrible maps that nobody likes or plays like penguin peak and demolition
>remove the vaccinator, dead ringer, and short circuit
>remove sniper
>improve the in-game tutorial
>give every player an untradable strange weapon of their choice

...and just like that, the game is way healthier
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>>563989007
Uncle Dane almost killed his sister by giving her floor cleaning product as "apple juice"
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>>563989393
i 100% support this
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>>563963274
the majority
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>>563989393
That's all slop and seething, fixing TF2 is as simple as updating it again with the Heavy Update we were promised.
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>>563966312
cute
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>>563989393
TRVKE
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>>563979147
what'd you do or what reason did they give?
you must have pissed someone off
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I see 2fortchomo is still trying to spread misinformation about castaway here. Do not be fooled by his nonsense. He and his buddies have been attempting to kill castaway for over a year in order to divert traffic to agartha.
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I don't care for TF2 social politics.
>mfw loading into a one-sided casual game only to disconnect seconds later
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>>563991793
go advertise your reddit server somewhere else, no one cares about your discord youtuber drama
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>tf2g when youtube drama is about: Zesty -- :)
>tf2g when youtube drama is about literally anyone else -- :(
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Would you say that engineer is the least reactive class? Which class is most pro-active
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>>563993574
neither are true though? drama is universally disliked, a number of people here simply agree with zj
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>>563994106
what do you mean by "reactive"?
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>>563984024
Charms is literally jingling keys, most goyim cosmetic item to be popularised in the past decade, not even paid sprays are as laughable addition as them
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>>563994106
I would say Heavy.
>try to track a fast one: bombarded
>tunnel vision while shooting: stabbed
>forgot to check a gate: trapped
>peek from a doorway while revved up: headshot
>eating a sandwich: someone caught up to you already
If only there was a weapon that allow me to stay mobile and initiate silently but alas, I'm unable to dismiss my tasty lunchbox items. Woe is me.
Do you think Valve would remove movement speed penalty of Tomislav while revved up? Maybe remove slower fire rate too while they're at it?
I don't mind it though, I just scored a godlike KS twice against fresh installed F2Ps. Life is good.
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I've forgotten how much fun the scottish resistence can be. While not at all a practical weapon it's satisfying to set up elaborate defensive networks and even do fakeouts with them.
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>>563994106
what? unless you're turtling, engineer might be the MOST reactive class
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>>564000212
blaze sexo
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>>564000212
You don’t get as many points with the Scottish Resistance as you do with the stock SBL, so it’s harder to tell that you’re contributing to the team.
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Kill pyros. Behead pyros with the eyelander. Roundhouse kick a pyro onto the control point. Slamdunk a gibus pyro into the trash. Crucify filthy pyro mains. Deficate into a pyros sandvich. Launch pyros into a buzzsaw. Stiryfry pyros in a wok. Toss pyros in front of active sentry guns. Urinate into a pyros gasstank. Judo throw pyros into a woodchipper. Twist pyros heads off. Report pyros to Valve. Karate chop pyros in half. Curbstomb pregnant pyros. Trap pyros in the underworld. Dump pyros into the trash compactor. Liquify pyros into a vat of acid. Eat pyros. Dissect pyros. Exterminate pyros in MGE. Stomp on pyros skull with the mantreads. Make pyros check'em. Cremate pyros with the degreaser. Lobotomize pyros. Mandatory trade bans for pyros. Crush pyros into a paste. Drown pyros in jarate. Vapourize pyros with a pomson. Spawn camp pyros. Kick a pyro from your mvm lobby. Shark pyros from hat drops. Feed pyros to alligators. Slice pyros open with the half-zatoichi.
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>>564000470
That's alright, I still try to play objectively and make good use of my primary so it's bit of a balancing act. That being said one can't deny the satisfaction of slowly dragging your crosshair along a line of stickies and watching them explode.
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He's so perfect bros
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>>564000482
i dont like my rockets getting airblasted either but relax
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>>564000470
why doesn’t she just use the gunslinger
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>>564000212
>>564000854
baby making sex with blaze and amy
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>>564000482
Fuck pyros. Get head from pyros. Fuck a pyro on the control point. Slamdunk your cock into her. Cum inside filthy pyro cunts. Have the pyro make you a sandvich after. Launch sperm into pyros. Fry pyros' brains with sex. Toss a pyro's salad. Urinate into a pyro's mouth (she's into it). Judo throw pyros onto a bed. Twist pyros' nipples. Report your love for pyros to Valve. Split pyros' legs in half. Impregnate pyros. Get trapped into sex by demon pyros from the underworld. Dump sperm into a pyro cum dumpster. Submerge pyros into a vat of cum. Eat pyros' pussies. Dissect pyros' clothes off. Dominate pyros after defeating them in MGE. Slap pyro's face during sex with the Hot Hand. Make pyros suck'em. Cream inside pyros' holes. Lobotomize pyros into sex slaves. Mandatory slut training for pyros. Give pyros your love paste. Drown pyros in mad milk. Whip pyros' asses with a disciplinary action. Camp in the same tent with pyros. Invite a pyro to your mvm lobby. Give pyros your hat drops in exchange for sex. Fuck pyros like an alligator. Slice pyros' clothes off with the half-zatoichi.
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>>564000212
Baby making sex with amy and blaze
>>564000470
Baby making sex with lilly and rin
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>>564001689
That's what /I/ said
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>>564001540
this butt also shupos yordles olivias and bunnies
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>>564001689
>Anon trying to tradermain his way to providing for his harem's kids
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This game is unfortunately dead in south america. Barely anyone plays, most bots and community servers are empty.
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>>564003874
thank god
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>>564004005
I'm afraid I will have to invade your servers
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>>564002067
Lilly and Rin are cripples so I get disability gibs from the government, it’s not that bad.
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>>564004135
a modern day scarface https://youtu.be/wLf0wgiQa1M
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>>563972224
TF2C new weapons are creatively bankrupt. After they ditch the cut content restoration theme for the weapons (most of them aren't good to begin with), they couldn't think of a single original idea that isn't lame
>Brick - Not Cleaver
>RPG - Easy Bake Rocket Launcher
>Anchor - Mantreads and Market Gardener
>Dual Barrel - Force-a-Nature on Pyro
>Sickle - Underwhelming without Scorch Shot or Detonator
>Cyclops - Halo weapon
>Mine Layer - dogshit idea that only exists due to cronyism (Valve refused to add this to TF2 please add this to TF2C for exposure)
>AA cannon - the only decent weapon
>Chain fists - KGB but you're a spy facestab bait
>Rejuv - Overwatch weapon with Halo bubble shield as Ultimate
>Defib - Worse Crossbow
>Fishwhacker - Not the TF2C team knows what to do with it
>New Watch - Invis watch but fast
There's just no good incentive to play TF2C in a long run to begin with
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>>564006231
the aa cannon sucks balls
stopped reading there
play the game. the minigun is better in literally every possible situation
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>>564004135
https://youtu.be/djT_hBVbmGc?t=101
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>>564006351
It's the only weapon where seeing a demoman at mid range /= retreating.
I still use stock minigun 95% of the time.
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peakino
https://youtu.be/hS7-GO4M2Yw
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>>563960937
this image has a lot to do with tf2. worst op 0/10
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What team fortress 2 class will you be playing when you turn 91?
By that time, I think my reflexes will have deteriorated to the point where soldier is my only viable class.
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>>564006383
loled. And nice song
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>>564009224
Engineer, and when the inevitable Spy arrives and starts sappin' my shit, I will simply close my eyes and accept my fate.
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>dont sit in C&D stabbing the enemy sniper whenever he has respawned
>hangs back and clicks on my entire team
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>>563972508
Damn. What leads to someone becoming this unhinged?
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>>564012556
unemployment and hrt make you crazy
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to whoever posted that funky song last thread fuck you it's been stuck in my head all day
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dead game
dead general
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>>564016371
I've been trying TF2C for 3 hours, and it feels meh. Players either run vanilla stock or their crazy custom server guns. Only new thing I see consistently used is the uber bubble shield.
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>>564016371
sorry. playing pragmata
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>>564016371
baby making sex with honey game
baby making sex with honey general
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>join casual game
>no medics on my team
>they have a god sniper and god pyro
>lose all desire to play
i think it might be finally time for me to cash out on this game
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>>564020324
you should've been fragging with untradeable/uncraftable weapons and cheap outfits from the get-go
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tf2
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>>564022262
sovl
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>>564022262
Milkers
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>>564022262
this reeks of deviantart
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detonator
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>>564023407
my penis inside oppailivia
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>>564023857
this but kyojiri olivia
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>>564023857
>>564023950
this but both
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>>564024025
ever-expanding harem of olivia variations
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>>564022673
>Matsu_sensei
I haven't read that name in a long time.
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>>564025048
How about this name?
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>>564023407
detonating inside >>564022673
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she sticky on my bomb till I launcher.
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>>564022262
why is the femscout flat :(
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>zoomers do not know what tomboys are
jesus wept
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>>564027450
Tomboys are supposed to have tits.
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uber ready~
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>>564027496
Not always.
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>>564027581
What kind of “tomboys” are you into man. I got bad news for you..
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>>564027496
They do and she does; A-cups. You just can't see them because of the hoodie.
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>>564027450
zoomers can't even define what a woman is
please understand
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>>564027697
Bro not all women are born with big tits, I hate to break it to you
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good night world
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>>564028910
good night rape bear
i mean good rape teri bear
i mean rape good i mean teri rape i mean
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>>564027697
flat tomboys are fine, they all have fat thighs anyway
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tomboy thread
tomboy game
tomboy general
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>>564025048
wow those are nice boobies
thank you for sharing
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>doomscrolling
>see a youtube short of some guy playing spy on harvest
>he's at the top of the house stairs on harvest, camping the hp & ammo pack
>dude headshots a disguised DR spy coming up the stairs
>enemy spy goes for a trickstab
>dude doesn't even move his mouse, just strafes to the left one centimeter and pokes and somehow it's a backstab on the approaching spy
I've been playing on and off for like 15 fucking years and I still don't know how people pull this shit off
I'd also grab the clip but I lost it, it was some youtube short called something super generic like "what is tf2 even about" by some channel who I swear was called like kingtoretta or toretta king, but for whatever reason the search filter won't let you select multiple things at a time, like "shorts" and "upload date"
can't even check my history because I was in incognito mode
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>>564037208
>I've been playing on and off for like 15 fucking years and I still don't know how people pull this shit off
Abusing TF2's interp settings, auto backstab scripts, and wonky hitboxes
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>>564039148
you can tell if someone's fucked with their intep from their PoV, that wasn't it
if it was a script it would've been obvious
I understand fully how the hitboxes work and the melee hit registration works, maybe even how that backstab worked, it just never works for me when logically it should, if clips like that are anything to go by
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give me stock enginner maps. I got a ks wrench and i wanna see it shine. thanks tf2g
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>>564043031
look up the top 25 most popular maps and pick the ones that aren't ctf or koth
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>>564043538
thanks!
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>>564043031
Imo Dustbowl and Goldrush are the most Engineer-friendly maps and sentries are too powerful on these maps.
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>>564045332
>sentries are too powerful
lol scunts be seething
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>>564045634
>get sick of shooting the floor
>decide to play scout
>sentries everywhere
>back to shooting the floor and also the sentries
damn right i'm going to seethe
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>>564043031
the early maps are good like dustbowl and goldrush. later maps were designed for the wrangler which makes them less fun to play as engineer because you're shoehorned into using it or else theres not good spots
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=let6D4WZs2A
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>>564045634
Sentries are a massive pain in the ass, even if you mostly play demoman and soldier. If the enemy team has 2 or 3 engineers with a decent team backing them up, that can usually be gg. Co-ordinating a push is vasty more difficult and demanding compared to how spammable, tanky, and effortless the power of multiple level 2 or 3's are. Even if you've managed to get a really solid push into a single nest, your momentum will die very quickly if it isn't followed up upon. And sentries are a huge ammo and health sink, so pushing against multiple engineers is always easier said than done. TF2 heavily favors defending, which is why payload and capture the flag are notorious for engineer stacking. And engineer in KOTH and payload race is universally hated for slowing the game down and making the experience highly unpleasant. Once you see items like the wrangler, short circuit, and rescue ranger, you can pretty much guarantee there will be no joy in the server. Engineer and sniper are the biggest problem childs of TF2 balancing, and the game is vasty better when their presence is minimal.
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>>564045634
The biggest problem is the Wranger. Even Zesty said the Wrangler is OP and he almost never complains about unlocks.
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>>564060013
>he almost never complains about unlocks
He's always seething about the Vaccinator and Short Circuit tho. How many times has he disabled them from his servers now?
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>>564060262
>another anti-vax groyper
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>>564060013
Is that you anon? You have a cute butt.
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The fuck you mean -31 damage?!?! This vacc healing motherfucker just took a point-blank random-crit execution like it was NOTHING!! A NOTHING!!!!
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>>564060262
I think the Vaccinator is fine, the weapon serves its purpose of punishing people for spamming one type of damage. Even if it might be a little too good it works fine conceptually. That's honestly more important than being perfectly balanced.
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dih spencer
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>>564060984
She is the girl in that image!
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>>564061574
>cartoon face
>realistic feet

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/7/7a/Scout_jeers11.wav
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>>564060993
they’re having fun :)
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>>564060993
Did he shave himself bald for this?
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After all, why not?
Why shouldn't I consider hat descriptions as canon?
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dead game
dead general
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>The men in his unit called him 'The Bavarian Butcher'
What men?
What unit?
Why Bavarian?
Why Butcher?
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One thing that no one really brings up is how b4nny never changes his name despite his high profile as the best tf2 player. Every other tf2ber changes their in game name to retain some semblance of anonymity. Is it because that you can't really focus b4nny while it's easy to ruin any other run of the mill tf2ber video?
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>>564072097
>What men?
The other 8
>What unit?
The Team Fortress unit
>Why Bavarian?
Metonym of him being German
>Why Butcher?
He dissects people, often chopping off body parts
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konata sunday
join now
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>>564060262
>disabling beyond annoying weapons
based
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>cheater with a medic that only heals him

hate this shit
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>>564077492
Lmao get raped
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did i imagine it or was Mr Paladin a confirmed discord groomer?
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>>564079117
probably mixing him up with someone else he is just a cool dad, last I heard he went a bit right wing on twitter and then bought a van and fucked off from gaming
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G'day all, Mr. Paladin here.
Today we're gonna look at how to stairstab as Spy.
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I have yet to see any actual good arguments in favor of this matchmaking system that isn’t just contrarianism from people who have Zesty rent free in their heads.
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>>564061505
smart aryan
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>>564081198
Other spy mains hate him for some reason.
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>>564079117
>he’s a groomer even though I have literally no fucking evidence
hi drew
slandering innocent people again aren’t we
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>>564082202
Average spymain
>Terminally online
>Obsessed with anime (aka pixels on a screen)
>Most likely virgin
>Only knows Kunai and DR
>Has to get frags to prove something
Mr. CHADladin
>Married
>Has kids
>Gaming is just a pastime
>Plays around with all of Spy's unlocks
>Quit to spend more time with his family
He reminds them of what a failure they are
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>>564082264
>illiterate pajeet didn’t even bother to read the sentence properly
imagine
my
shock
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>>564082748
>Most likely virgin
wrong since all spy mains were raped as children
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>>564045884
>decide to play scout
That's where you made the mistake. There are really very few occasions where you can counter a Sentry directly as Scout. Best option is diverting your attention on Spy and escorting your teammate to see if that's your Spy who can sap it or an enemy.
When Sentry is placed right around the corner I guess you can make a run for it when its muzzle turned way past behind the corner on idle mode or peek shot it if it's far enough from the wall. But knowing when to do either is just a gamble until you can pinpoint their position and live long enough to take cover to have a gander at it.
You have Bonk to bypass such issue but it's worthless when Sentry is placed high up or it's guarded by a Pyro or anyone else that is smart enough to block your path.
You can also use Bonk to block the Sentry fire while a power class shoots at it but that require some team work and you won't find that in pubs.

>shooting the floor with soldier
>not directly hitting by leading the shot proper
Practice, anon.
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>>564082928
I read the sentence properly and it’s essentially you trying to get us to cancel Mr paladin for no reason, randomly accusing him of being a groomer without evidence. Take a long walk off of pl_pier.
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>>564079117
We are not your personal army faggot. What are you, trying to cancel him while giving yourself plausible deniability and using anonymity as a weapon? You’re definitely one of those troonporium freaks seething at mr paladin for being a straight, married man.
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How it FEELS to play Medic, The MvM update and the Heavy update waiting to see who will release first be like:
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>>5640602620
>zesty haters aren't contrarians
>"OMG HE DISABLED THE VACCINATOR!? EVERYONE'S FAVORITE WEAPON?! HE IS SUCH A HYPOCRITE, I THOUGHT HIS SERVER WAS VANILLA AM I RIGHT? GUYS HE IS A HYPOCRITE LOOK, LOOK"
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someone's upset
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>>564082748
Mr. Paladin
>watch his videos and it's obvious that some randoms especially ignore him in a pub game while their overall game sense look sharper than that
>if other team is that bad as shown in the video at countering a Spy, all of his videos supposed to end with a complete steamroll but that's not what happens
>possible that he invites his followers and friends in a game to place them at enemy team
>whenever the opportunity arises they just turn their backs on him for him to score
>he abused DR constantly before nerf, now he uses every equipment because he got criticized for it heavily and nerf happened
I have a feeling that other Spy-mains also have the same impression and hate the guy.
I get that he doesn't take it too seriously, and other Spy mains are unhinged. Yet, I dare you to go into a pub game as a new Spy player and achieve a fraction of what Paladin did in the videos. You have to understand it's not because you completely suck, it's because pub players are not your friends to present you a free score.
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that someone is you
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starykrow was both better and more entertaining
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>>564084365
Really doubt a second heavy update will ever release, even thought they said that there's a highly likely chance that both classes might get an update the wording was changed in the Jungle Inferno Day 3 update page to say that it's not gonna be both.
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maybe on adhd retard world
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>>564082957
all tf2 players were raped as children*
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>>564087209
haha I wish
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ok but why are there no vanilla servers that disable sniper
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>>564079117
>start babbling outta nowhere
Why do you troons do this shit
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>>564087310
what an odd thing to say
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>>564087372
i kinda want one that forces all snipers onto the sleeper and removes the sleeper's headshots
should probably also disable jarate
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updeeto is out
check steam
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>>564088941
you lying sluts
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HOLY SHIT ITS HERE
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GIVE ME THE JUNGLE INFERNO AND IRON CURTAIN STRANGIFIERS NOW NOW NOW NOWWWW
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>only way to get a strange dragon's fury is the aussie
valve is a bunch of greedy jews
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>>564089551
why is she jerking off an invisible Spy?
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Quickplay is coming this summer. I can feel in me bones and in me souls
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>>564089674
either that's the le tranger or the spy is PACKIN
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zesty is getting mathematically debunked by a master statistician.
https://www.youtube.com/live/BX4nDQD1riw
it’s not looking good bros
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>zesty jesus’s last video was full of bad math and misdirection
oh no zestysisters, not like this
https://www.youtube.com/live/BX4nDQD1riw
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>>564090836
>>564090868
Why does this not feel like a coincidence
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>>564090934
there are many emporium members active on /tf2g/. A way to identify them is to see if they seethe about ourguy ZJ or suddenly bring up vipes unprompted.
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GRRRRRRRR ZESTY BETRAYED US!
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>>564091284
So they coordinate against Tf2g but they can’t coordinate properly enough and so now there’s sus activity?
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>>564090836
>>564090868
fraudsty keksus kektardfagbros... we got too cocky... quickplay flopped fucking massively!!! aryanmaking won...
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/tf2g/'s 9/11
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>>564090836
>>564090868
buy an ad
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>>564090836
>he said he still liked the video and it was interesting data
fug, here i was hoping for him to destroy this fag once and for all...
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>the reason it takes months to do these videos is because I need to make every argument air tig- ACK!
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>>564090836
>>564090868
>I didn’t start playing the game until well after Jungle Inferno
don’t listen to this moron
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!!!
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zesty game
zesty general
don’t like it? leave
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>>564090868
>>564090836
>zesty in the chat
It's showtime!
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It's over.
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of course the p value is gonna be high when you have only 5 gamemodes
sure it's not scientifically rigorous but who gives a shit
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>>564093306
>hard math doesn't count because you started playing a video game after a certain point
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>>563962221
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>>564093651
this but unironically
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>the cope begins
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>>564093651
I’m pretty sure there’s a term in stats that can explain this unironically
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>dude hop in a call I have it all here
OH NO NO NO
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the only math that I need is the following:
Zesty's opinion > people who disagree with zesty

No need for proof either, it's an axiom.
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is this worse than the cuck stuff? is it actually over for zesty?
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The Quickplay dream...is dead...
The Emporium...are our new masters...
Long live...Casual...
All hail...King Jill...
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>>564094370
TRVKE! HAIL ZESTY!
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>>564094469
True. Buying HRT right now to support our sisters.
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yeah I don’t think zesty can recover. his whole thing was being a scientist and he got absolutely btfo by maths and logic
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i have never been more embarrassed to be a zesty glazer than right now.
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>he's mostly correct BUT no concrete proof, the stream
>makes understanding "Ooh!" sound the moment ZJ starts explaining himself
That's it? That's your deboonk?
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>>564094061
>i had better arguments, i just didn’t make them in my video because… i just didn’t, okay?!?!
>you can’t criticize my point on the arguments i did make though because… just don’t, please
>sh-sh-shut it down! shut down the stream RIGHT NOW!!!
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>>564094370
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the troonporium is not sending their best...
stop breaking my sound urls, fuckhead
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>>564071947
baby making sex with sticks game
baby making sex with sticks general
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>they are having a friendly chat
>they agree on many things
Oh nono non o noononononno
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emporium sisters... it's OVER.
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>>563979318
i like this post
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Zesty Brethern we cant be toppled.
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so basically
>zesty's methodology is flawed because he reduced it to 5 data points giving the correlation a p value of .16
fair enough, not exactly rigorous
>so I just added back in all the noise and got a p value so small the computer thinks it's zero
oh he doesn't know what he's talking about
a p value that's that small should immediately set off alarm bells in your head
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this wasn't the zesty annihilation i was hoping for
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TRVKE status?
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>>564082202
(no zey don't)
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the greatest trick p*ros ever pulled was convincing the world that airblast is better than the short circuit
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the greatest trick eng*neers ever pulled was convincing the world that the short circuit is better than airblast
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the greatest trick femp*ros ever pulled was making my dick disappear (inside her)
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most of the skill in aiming is having the confidence to take the shot. if your hand is unsure and nervous, you will lose.
other people are better at the game than me and frequently beat me 1v1 because they have more game sense and confidence than I do
how do I get better?
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>That one nigga that gave himself a MvM deflector minigun mogging both
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how would you fix the vita-saw?
literally a gas passer/sandman tier item. it’s not even a fun bad weapon it just sucks
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>>564095542
Shuposister you have more in common with your troonporium cousins than you realize
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>>564101801
give it +10 health and +10% bullet res so you're immune to quickscopes, then give it +30% blast vulnerability to make you more vulnerable to soldier bombing
OR
give it the ability to quickly heal your teammates by injecting them with some of your ubercharge, in exchange for -50% damage
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>>564101801
all damage taken is added to melee damage
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>>564006351
its good against corner peeking soldiers and demos
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>>564096554
yeah it's setting off the zesty is a fraud alarm
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>>564101801
The problem with the whole "retain your ubercharge" concept is it has to compete with the Ubersaw which literally gives you free uber in 4 hits.
No one used the Vitasaw when it was a passive 20% retained. No one uses it now where it's even worse that you have to work for it.
They need to give it something that isn't covered by other weapons. Something like "increases damage resistance the more organs you have" OR "increases attack damage the more organs you have" so going out of your way to stab people rewards you with something else.
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>>564104880
>No one used the Vitasaw when it was a passive 20% retained.
it was the meta in comp (in leagues where it wasn't banned) because starting with 20% uber is a massive advantage there and dying as medic is reasonably common enough that it was worth it
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>>564105189
Okay then let me rephrase it as "99% of players didn't use it"
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>>564090836
>>564095126
>>564096031
Zesty always wins because he is just a normal American guy while the antis are mentally ill European trannies
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>>564101801
revert it back to how it was, there was literally no problems with it. if you were getting rolled and dying a lot before you could pop uber, it helped you get your uber back up faster. from what i remember, literally the only reason it got nerfed was because compfags were complaining that they had to ban it, because otherwise the team that used it was always inherently at an advantage, and it messed up their calculations of when the enemy medic had uber
>enemy med's been alive for 47 seconds judging by the timer we have to push NOW NOW NOW or else they're gonna push we have to go NOW! *shits pants*
...and then it got nerfed and compfags still don't use it, ruining an already somewhat unpopular item item for everyone and making it literally why-tier
>>564104880
>No one used the Vitasaw when it was a passive 20% retained
people did, and i'm not talking about compfags
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>>564104880
I would say, make it the Boil Remover from advanced weaponiser, and keep the organ harvesting bit as just a visual on-kill effect.
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>>564107914
see
>>564105305
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>>564104849
...Because you don't realize that anon's saying the accuser doesn't know what he's talking about, not zesty. The accuser even realized he was wrong during the stream when zesty explained the data in more detail
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>>564108285
Zesty was debunked. Accept it.
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>>564101801
To me it's not broken nor need a fix. The issue of Vita-saw that it can not really benefit the Medic without any bonus about uber rate.
It's meant to be used in a suicidal rush in tandem with Overdose on Offense, else you need to equip Kritzkrieg with it in Defense like a mad man you are. Equipping all of them together is not advised.
Simply put it's a gamble for high risk, where you can be pressured and out-matched but if you gain ground and covered well enough, you'll reap the rewards even if you fall once before.
I fear that when you try to fix it, you might end up making it viable for comps and I doubt anyone want to read that chapter all over again.

>sandman
Could have some uses but very niche. Able to tag and slow threatening targets like Phlog Pyro, Demoknight and Medics that are close to full Uber. Those still not worth the loss of 15 maximum health when Natascha do that for free.
I sent a mail to Valve and asked them to change things around about this weapon if they see fit. I doubt they will though, not because they don't read e-mails but developers usually have a vision and await players to see it no matter how convoluted it is.
I'm on board with it having a direct buff or Guillotine having changed to synergize or something.
>gas passer
It's not bad if you pair it with Axtinguisher. Run up to the cloud and point downward near them while airblasting to pin them in the gas cloud and practice crouch swings.
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>>564108102
see >>564107914
>people did, and i'm not talking about compfags
it had way more than a 1% pick rate. sorry i can't go back in time and gather the exact info, but i was actually there. the ubersaw was always the better pick, but the vitasaw was at least a viable alternative that myself and many others (more than 1%) ended up using
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>>564107914
>revert it back to how it was, there was literally no problems with it.
aside from the issue of "it's only useful if you're dying constantly, which is going to be made more likely because this thing reduces your health by 10"
plus getting 20% uber in a non-competitive game is easy enough that you're basically just gimping yourself by making yourself more vulnerable for no reason. this isn't like comp where a 20% uber diff will make or break the game.
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>>564108285
cope
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>>564108545
I don't care about arguing semantics, it was a hyperbole. The Ubersaw was still the weapon the vast majority of players used which was my point.
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564108426
You are so objectively wrong, you're gonna have to waste a reply to get another (You) from me.
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>>564109203
yes, like I said, the ubersaw was better, but it wasn't the only choice back then. now it's either the ubersaw or the bust of hippocrates since everything else is a meme-tier choice
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Do not worry. Quick play is coming and so am I oooooooooumpf
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>>564109898
This has been debunked.
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anime
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>>564108764
>aside from the issue of "it's only useful if you're dying constantly
as opposed to how it is right now, to where it's only useful if you're dying constantly AND landing melee hits on the enemy team, which will make you die even more often?
>which is going to be made more likely because this thing reduces your health by 10
losing 10 health on medic doesn't change any meaningful breakpoints (it doesn't even change any afaik), it just makes you weaker vs sustained damage, which is a decent enough tradeoff imo. it's like the pain train in practice, only a dmg vulnerability of 6.67% instead of 10%
>plus getting 20% uber in a non-competitive game is easy enough
so what? the vitasaw let you get it back faster than if you didn't have it equipped, and if you had no opportunities to use the ubersaw. the gimping you speak of was minimal unless you were standing out in the open getting mowed down by heavies or other forms of sustained dmg. an advantage is an advantage, it doesn't need to be "comp-viable" to be worth using
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>>564101801
Revert it.
Ubersaw overshadows everything else by a lot regardless. Valve should just revert Vita-Saw and then makes all non-Ubersaw unlocks straight upgrade with zero downside.
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I feel like the only interesting videos TF2 still produces are the ZJ rants
We truly hit rock bottom in terms of content.
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>>564109561
It wasn't the only choice, but 9 out of 10 Medics you would see in pubs were using the Ubersaw or the Amputator (since it had the set bonus with the Crossbow at the time). You only saw people using the Vitasaw if they were prone to dying a lot, since the 20% retained only matters if A. you die, and B. you're not good enough to get at least 1 Ubersaw stab to get the immediate 25% (simply turning around and spychecking is likely to get you this).
Trust me I used the Vitasaw too when I was new to the game before I got better and realized the Ubersaw and Amputator were both more useful. That being said, I'm not arguing against its original form being way more viable and useful than is right now, just that for years I hardly saw anybody using the Vitasaw before Valve killed it in 2017.
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Didn’t most medics use the solemn vow or was it “recently” buffed? Because I never play compshit or use my mic yet i cannot deny that the solemn vow offers more utility than any alternative, and so I always have it equipped. It’s nice being able to see enemy health and the occasional enemy medic uber percentage so I can pick injured opponents off with the crossbow.
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>>564111757
Solemn Vow increased in popularity simply from them killing the Vitasaw and soft nerfing the Amputator (you have to keep it out to get the extra health regen, vs when was a passive set bonus before)
But, it was always a moderately useful pick if you communicate with your team or go for picks like you said
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>>564111314
I agree with pretty much everything here, I just think its value as a noob cushion that made dying less punishing for them is understated
>>564111757
The VS getting gutted in 2017 was a soft buff for the SV
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>>564110097
yeah well I just rebunked it
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>>564110527
67
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go back to being banned, faggot
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There should be a medi gun where you have a much longer beam. I was thinking about this today. Medic is very limited by range, and I think this would give him much more flexible positioning and the ability to dodge splash damage or focus fire better. It seems like Valve only adds medi guns that directly change the uber, so I don't know what the uber would be.
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Get your nasty little beam off of me
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>>564114325
I should make this a mod
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>>564114480
there is one
it's called the crusader's crossbow
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make the vita-saw steal 10 max health on hit
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Just delete the Vita Saw from the game? Literally no one would care. Its whole concept is that it's a bootleg from Bioshock, so the organ harvesting thing can't be removed. It's just a soulless stupid item, remove it.
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>>564072616
other comp players will sometimes change their name, its just a matter of whether you want the attention or not. b4nny clearly does. it doesn't really matter whether or not you can focus them since other high tier players will name change and still dominate
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retarded newdfag is retarded
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>newdfag
lmao
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>>564115690
>newdfag
nudefag? lewd
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organ harvesting is a stupid mechanic because it’s hard to think of an upside that could possibly compete with +25% uber on hit. what could be more impactful than gaining full uber after killing a clueless noob?
The vitasaw is the dumbest and lamest weapon in the game and has no reason to exist. Nobody uses it, it’s not mechanically interesting, it’s completely outclassed by every melee alternative. If they removed it tomorrow literally nobody would care.
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anti-vitasawkeks seething, love to see it
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revert the vita saw to how it was and make it retain 50% uber
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how many kills does your strange vita-saw have
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174
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how long have you had that strange vita-saw
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>>564117738
this but 25-33%
old vitasaw was good conceptually, it was a buffer for a what-if scenario
nu vitasaw is ass conceptually because you don't get the bonus unless you plan on killing yourself martyrdom-style
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174
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or, here's a thought:
how about just don't die as the class meant to keep your team alive
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kog time
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>>564121551
joining
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>>564100249
no pyro player has ever said that airblast is better than the short circuit
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>be medic
>equip vita-saw
>pocket dies
>rush into someone for scoring melee hits
>die anyway as that's your last ditch effort
>respawn with extra uber rate if you succeed
What's the issue?
>you died before pocket "because" 10 health loss?
>pocket didn't cover you when he could have
You didn't position or took cover properly
>backstabbed or sniped?
That 10 health wouldn't save you anyway.
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>>564115578
>b4nny clearly does
I've fragged him 5 years apart and in both clips he still has the same name.
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>join kog
>full of cringe blue archive and touhou fans talking about porn while tryharding
0/10
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>>564128971
I don't know what you were expecting, they're full of discord groomers and grooming victims
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>>564129087
you're right, i'm going back to uncletopia and kitty pound where the people are nice and interested in me
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>>564129087
Kogasatopia is good if you stay away from the discord and steam group. I don’t know anything about those people, it’s just a fun place to frag.
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>>564129338
..so it's only good when it's empty?
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>>564129338
You still have to put up with those kinds of people on the server
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>>564129638
true, it really hurts my feelings when i have to mute people to enjoy the game, wish vaultf4 servers didn't die since they have better rules :/
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Notice how the second you criticize Koggy they immediately deflect from it
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>>564129979
i just saw some low iq person say it has groomers without evidence, but yeah they suck because they are stupid weebs
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>>564130306
>without evidence
Dude the old admin literally had to step down because he was caught grooming kids
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I played this game for 6 years and got my first market garden today. I would like to thank the map cp_steel for being the site of my accomplishment, and I would like to congratulate the RED Pyro for standing still while I pencil jumped towards him.
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idk how people get market gardens. when i see them do it both in game and in footage, it's like they have extended melee range
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>>564130824
I tried many times to garden people in the past to no avail. It’s almost impossible to actually kill people who are consciously aware of your presence and know how to run away and shoot you.
You’re basically playing spy, but in the air. No idea how people get good at this.
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>>564128971
>full of BA and 2houchads
wtf
joining now
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yikes
just got banned from kogasatopia. we can’t allow them in the op, we just can’t.
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practice on tr walkway
start gardening stationary bots and work your way up in difficulty
turn on fakelag at various amounts to get a feel for lag
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>>564131153
Practice as anon said. Also inputs are a little complex to pull it off at first time but after getting used to it, it becomes a reflex.
You need to get good at rocket jumping first. You need to have a good feeling of steering and estimating the distance between you and the target to recognize if you need a further boost (a second rocket jump) or tap backward to slow down. Remember you need to aim for slightly behind of a target that is moving for landing, so you have to steer properly and get ready to change direction to track. For being sure, try crouching as you descend and locked in to avoid colliding with the target if you miscalculate the space needed, that should give you small leeway for mistake. If you happen to collide directly, you either fucked up completely or have a very small frame to let go off crouch and bunny hop for extending.
Can I suggest an infamous youtuber's video series here? Soundsmith done shit ton of informative videos about it, but first thing you need to learn is how to properly rocket jump because without it you might as well never attempt it.
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When is Quickplay coming back?
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>>564132070
tr walkway practice is terrible, don't their hitboxes lag super far away from their models in motion due to the nature of the walkway being a giant push_trigger?
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>>564133809
two more weeks
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>>564133809
2 weeks
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>>564135340
2 weeks of yordle ravaging
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>>564135340
baby making sex with poppy lulu and vex
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>>564133210
thanks man
Do you have any advice for what I should set my mouse sensitivity and DPI to for rocket jumping? What settings do you use?
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>>564126121
he clearly does want attention and its why he doesn't change his name
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>>564134208
melee uses the collision box and isnt affected by animations
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what would every tf2 merc’s ssbm main be
what would every ssbm fighter’s tf2 main be
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>>564137518
Heavy would be King Dedede
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>>564137518
scout -> fox
pyro -> jigglypuff
soldier -> captain falcon
demo -> link
heavy -> ganondorf
engi -> samus
medic -> is it too cheap to say doctor mario?
sniper -> falco
spy -> kirby
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>>564136624
My current mouse sucks but at my old mouse I generally went with 800dpi and 2.5 sens. I don't have skill for too complicated stuff but this setting usually does it. Remember, dpi can go higher but sensitivity can not be too slow or too fast.
Second youtuber I suggest you to watch would be Optivex. Watch how he scores and track airshots with flicks.
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>>564137752
i feel like engi would be more so drawn to mr. game & watch
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>>564137752
demo would play peach to spam turnips and maybe get a bomb
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>>564137518
Scout: Fox
Soldier: Samus
Pyro: Bowser
Demo: Link
Heavy: Donkey Kong
Engineer: Ice Climber
Medic: Dr. Mario
Sniper: Falco
Spy: Kirby

>>564137721
He said Melee
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>>564138724
I don't care that I was wrong.
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>>564137119
that doesn't change what i said
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>>564137518
Fox- scout
Falco- sniper
Jigglypuff- medic
Shiek- spy
Captain Falcon- soldier
Link- sniper
Young Link- sniper
Kirby- heavy
Pikachu- scout
Pichu- scout
Ness- scout
Zelda- demoman
Samus- engineer
Bowser- heavy
Donkey Kong- heavy
Peach- medic
Ice climbers- engineer
Ganondorf- heavy
Marth- demoman
Roy- pyro
Yoshi- pyro
Mario- scout
Dr. Mario- medic
Mr. Game and Watch- spy
Mewtwo- engineer
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sleepy game
sleepy general
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>>564142889
busy trying to pick up chicks in /sthg/
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>>564136624
I've heard contradicting advice. I've heard advice to both go as high or as low as possible as long as you have control of your mouse. both pieces of advice coming from invite players.
Personally I'd just recommend sticking to a sens you're comfortable with, doesn't matter what

soundsmith and optivex are both overrated imo. If you want to see an actually good trolldier I'd recommend erk. Seeing erk play trolldier is the only thing that made it click in my mind how to actually play it. ie jumping high vs staying as low as possible for the spoon
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>>564142889
busy trying to pick up my sister in /calg/
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>>564134208
Someone made a fixed walkway recently that no longer pushes the bots but has them actually moving, surprised it took so long
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3664662069
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>>564114480
New Medi Gun: Booster Shot

40% longer beam range
Medic receives 25% overheal when healing people
30% slower ubercharge build rate
uber: uncapped overheal
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>>564139862
Kirby would be Spy because his whole thing is copying people
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71itTjnpxN0
so now that the dust has settled, what caused his newest vid to flop?
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>>564158090
>106k views in 2 days
>124k subs
Looks good to me
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>>564158090
>100k+ views in less than 48 hours
>flop
pick one
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>>564158090
I'll watch this video someday
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get put into a balanced game challenge (impossible)
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>>564158090
Doesn't look like a flop to me
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>>564130824
DO NOT TOUCH THE CROUCH KEY if you try to do short distance rocket jump, very useful if you try to kill an enemy close to you or at a location with low ceiling.
Don't do high rocket jump all the time, do some mixup
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Happy 420 bros. I'm doing gimmick/meme playstyles right now and somehow still doing better than 70% of my team.
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Gee, maybe cause the majority of the playerbase is so fucking awful
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>>564158090
it was debunked within a day unfortunately
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>>564169434
I guess it's settled then. Matchmaking is a perfect system and should never be improved.
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>>564158090
it was debunked by Gabber years ago, payload is only seen as the best by stats because of matchmaking rules makes it the only mode that last longer than a few minutes
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>>564158090
>100k views
That's not a "flop" in terms of viewership. But the real question is if joshie will listen to this video.
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>>564158090
IMO my only thing with Zesty is that the "movement" he wants to start really should just be a general attempt to encourage players to go back to community servers. Valve is never going to touch this game again by Zesty's own admission, as even the bot problem was only fixed because of a bored contractor who had the time.
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Business idea: some chinese upstart makes a tf2 clone and we finally abadon this abandoned game
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>>564174313
I thought that was what Last Flag was for.
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>>564173992
>the bot problem was only fixed because of a bored contractor who had the time
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>>564169434
I already told you that I rebunked the video
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Wasn't Big Earner on the war paint list? Did I dream that? I could have sword that was a thing
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>>564174998
>>564113468
>>564095542
>>564088941
>>564017986
>>563967194
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The only sniper rifle that seems to be of any worth besides default is the Hitman's Heatmaker. Everything else is either a straight downgrade with stats that sound good but in actuality don't do anything for you.
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>>564176420
the bazaar bargain is basically a direct upgrade in casual
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>>564176758
It's a pubstomping weapon only though, against any half-decent team if you're dominating they're gonna throw Jihad Scouts and Jihad Spies at you so by the time you get enough heads to be close to default's ramp up speed you'll die again.
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>>564175691
that's a big shupo...
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>>564176870
Who's "they"? The RED team Strategic Committee?
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>>564177438
>The RED team Strategic Committee?
Also known as "the guys who get sick of getting quickscoped so they switch to Scout to get you to switch off of Sniper so they can play the game again."
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>>564168417
I played with bison only and had 3 kills at maximum in 5 rounds and somehow I wasn't kicked in any of them
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>>564177973
>bison only
You had your Team Captain on, right?
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>>564178889
And named myself accordingly
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I'm gonna hoard a bunch of shit hats with god tier effects
and god tier hats with shit effects
just in case they ever decide to adapt Dota 2's unusual system
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>>564180271
>he STILL thinks this game is going to get updated
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control points but everyone has to play as engineer and you can only use the pistol
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>>564129338
>tried koga
>fragged for 6 hours while freely typing shit in chat
what's this whole discord shit supposed to be about?
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>>564181882
with or without gunslinger?
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He’s right you know.
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>>564175691
What are you doing with my shupos
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>>564184983
yeah but he's dead so, who's the sucker now?
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Happy 420 gamers. What TFtubers do you think smoke the dank herb?

By the way I found some really cool images >>>/c/4448115
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>>564184983
where’s your precious so-crates now?
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konata hours
join nao
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Are any subclasses actually viable or they all just memes for bored mains?
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they're just some dumb fun
except some people think demoknight is op for some reason
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>>564188879
The only subclasses I have interest in are Gunspy, Demoknight (I don't like using stickies), Attack Engie, and I guess whatever version of Medic uses the crossbow which I'm also just told not using the crossbow is throwing.
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I was sleeping on Big Earner far too long, jeez, this thing is fucking demented
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>>564189097
It's only throwing if you're playing in a league because it's too good
in casual just freeball and use whatever
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I wish Konata would jerk my invisible dong
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(Voice) Konata: You are so small! Is funny to me!
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>>564194924
That’s my fetish so please keep going
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>>564184983
>strong minds discuss quickplay and it's return
>average minds discuss the mym update
>weak minds discuss zesty jesus
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>>564195429
>weak minds discuss zesty jesus
Yes finally someone gets it
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>>564174313
It's over a decade too late for that.
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strong minds discuss anime
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>>564196289
strong minds discuss the ideas presented by zesty jesus' trvkes
average minds discuss the events on r/tf2 shutting down zesty discussion
weak minds obsess over zesty jesus as a person and seethe relentlessly
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strong minds discuss pornography starring your mother
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bottom of the barrel minds post images of that stupid paper bear
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>>564197886
Is a cat okay to post?
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>spy is one of the only proper kunai users in media because he just fucking stabs you with it instead of throwing it
You think that historical accuracy was intentional or just a happy accident
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>>564198564
happy accident, but now i've remembered the players that renamed their Kunai to "Naruto's Kunai XD"
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Japan’s "Last Ninja" Explains The Spy's Conniver's Kunai (10:49)
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coo nigh
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I cooked every weapon from TF2 in traditional Japanese way (10:52)
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featuring Zesty (he cooks Short Circuit and Vaccinator)
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vaccinator > stock > kritz > quick
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>>564199919
They should buff the quickfix to make the uber let the class’s base speed get turned to the medic’s at least, aka speed increasing or reducing items would still apply so demoknights are even faster and it would fuck with soldier’s muscle memories, but hey you get to walk slightly faster while revved up and get to the battlements at a normal pace for heavy, also scout doesn’t get faster and nor does spy fuck you
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new video essay on the tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBDI4Iav104
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>>564200407
stupid idea.
>dude just let heavy get to mid for free
I can tell you don’t play the game if you think this is a good idea.
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>>564198414
yes
egg making sex with meowscarada
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>>564200619
You have to waste an entire ubercharge on that to make him get there
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>>564200619
>requires you to use uber
>>>for free
niggas just be saying shit
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where the fuck would spy get a kunai he lives in new mexico
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>>564200801
>>564200619
Aka this effect is only while ubered, not the basic one, shit like the scottsman skullcutter’s speed down applies after the default speed set too, for whatever jank that will spawn
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quick-fix is the strongest medi gun but you're not ready for this conversation
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spy wouldn’t use a kunai because they were originally farming tools not intended for combative use. they were used by peasants who weren’t allowed to own actual weaponry.
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>>564201198
Them being farming tools is why they were used as makeshift knives because they were sharp and less questionworthy of why you had it, aka somewhat of a stealth weapon, but more in using a shovel to kill somebody than a sniper rifle way
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>>564200952
He just read the words “make class move fast as medic” and assumed the rest kek
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>>564201196
alright, i got my lotion
make your pitiful argument
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>>564202198
it’s banned in 6s.
I rest my case.
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soldier wouldn't use a shovel or a pickaxe because they were originally work tools not intended to combative use.
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>>564202518
Shovels were used in world war 1 for combative use. You lost.
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>>564202489
theory-y has debunked this argument
https://youtu.be/HXnpeZTqeaw
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>>564202518
I have seen quite a few people murdered with pickaxes and shovels, one has a pointy and less pointy end and the other is a blade on a stick thats flat
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>>564203136
zesty debunked theory-y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANGfzJIK8Xo
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>>564169434
it wasn't tho
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>>564171446
that's one of the main talking points that the video is about, you didn't even watch it
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>>564177545
if you're quickscoping, the bazaar bargain's downside never comes into effect
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>>564203545
why would anyone watch a video
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>>564202518
id wager far more people have been killed by pickaxes and shovels than with kunais
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StW60xZjjjU
/tf2g/ in a nutshell
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>>564204160
sex with ragatha
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Why do people think the vaccinator is hard to use when it grants you the most effective uptime and highest survivability while also punishing you the least for dying thanks to its more consistently available but less impactful ubercharges
it’s not hard to cycle through damage resistances or crossbow your pocket to grant them a massive burst heal on top of having a resistance bubble.
if anything it’s the lowest iq medigun thanks to its drastically increased survivability and your improved effective health when bubbling a teammate. You can be pretty braindead and make huge positional mistakes that you’ll inevitably survive from, when other mediguns would demand you to play more proactively and surf incoming damage to avoid death.
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>>564200954
retard moment
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rude
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>>564204990
give spy the half-zatoichi
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>>564205343
would actually make more sense on him than soldier
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>>564205678
but then the haiku wouldn’t work
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>>564131153
Playing against capable players can get extremely frustrating even after 1000s of gardens, but you'll still hit those mlg gaymer clips occasionally, like this killstreak I got on the zesty serb.
Like the other anon, I too recommend watching erk's and neon's stuff to get a grasp on short-hops, bhops and other wacky tech
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holy shit
https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=247188
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>>564205859
write a different haiku
we have the technology
it's not difficult
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why did zesty say it's been a year since the MVM update announcement
its only been 10 months
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crazy how pyro's matchups are so universally bad that even his "good" ones are bad if the other player isn't a retard
>scout can just sit outside of your flamethrower's range
>demo can just detonate his stickies in the air so you can't reflect them
>soldier can just jump away if you hit all of your reflects
>spy can just redisguise to make the afterburn visuals disappear so you can't track him while invisible
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>>564206029
your first line has six syllables
it’s only supposed to have a five
change “different” to “new” and you’ll get across the same meaning while also adhering to the format
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>>564206115
he's not very smart and even lies like in his latest video which was debunked
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whenever you are doing matchups you have to assume both players are of equal skill
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>>564206115
god forbid a nigga rounds up
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>>564206623
this is an incorrect assumption, i always have greater skill
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i garantee that everyone who says the pyro is bad would let him dryhump them
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>>564206485
umm actually it's 7
but yeah I was thinking about putting that in the 7 spot but forgor to update it after I moved it
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>>564206432
is that last one true? changing disguises while cloaked and on fire removes afterburn flicker?
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>>564206858
>him
no way fag
her, on the other hand...
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The "best" pyros are the ones who just reflect/bodyguard their team and spam scorch/detonators
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>>564207301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnWsTZoFrOw
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Around 5 hours on medic now and 10 hours in the game in total. Still feel like a total noob. Any tips for someone who wants to main medic? A friend got me into this game and he has like 6k hours. I want to impress him but I genuinely just fucking suck
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>>564207537
Also!! I noticed in YouTube video people have like completely different HUDs than I have and I don't understand how they did that???
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>>564207686
read our OP
>>563960937
>HUDs: https://gamebanana.com/mods/cats/1644 | https://tf2huds.dev/
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>>564207770
Oh lol thanks
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>>564206858
nuh uh i want to be pyro and dryhump people
but unironically he's pretty much universally agreed to be the second worst class in the game behind spy
he's supposed to be an offense/support hybrid but his damage his bad, inconsistent, and has way too little range, while his support basically amounts to reflecting projectiles away from your engie's nest (which is just done better by the short circuit) and airblasting away ubered players
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Engineer weapon that increases metal given from packs and scrap and shit but decreases dispenser metal, also 100 more metal so you can build 3 dispensers
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>>564184983
You're telling me the trannies talking about zesty all day are retards?
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>>564207537
Pro tips for Medic:

-Scout, Soldier, and Demoman are really strong and mobile, so you don't need to heal them as much. Try to heal high priority teammates like Heavy and Engineer.
-If you see another Medic healing someone, heal them too. This means they're the best player and you're helping them.
-Once you've healed someone to full HP, stop healing them. It's a waste of time to heal people at full HP.
-The Quick-Fix is a really cool and underrated weapon that lets you do your job better for no downsides!
-You can heal lots of people with the amputator taunt, try doing it whenever you can
-Don't try to focus on healing lots of people, try to stick with 1 or 2 people.
-Medic can kill people too! Equip the syringe guns for the best results
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>>564208424
So about the quick fix I have a question I noticed the overheal is lower on it than on the default weapon and, so I thought it might be kind of bad, because I noticed I can't heal anyone at the same time anyway and usually stick to like 2 people. Also is the uber different there? I felt like it was less good, but maybe idk.
I got a really coold headset with the crossbow before! Is the syringe gun better?
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>>564206115
>what is rounding up for the sake of brevity
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>>564209504
1 year and 10 months are both 2 syllables what ity are you breving
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>>564208424
You can taste the bitterness of the compie that wrote this
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>>564209752
>1 year and 10 months
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>2 years
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see how much shorter two years is?
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>>564209997
oh okay so you're trolling
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Why Grifter Jesus Is Using Exaggerated Language As A PROPAGANDISTIC Scare Tactic (Featuring SolarLight) (12:35:18)
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>>564207537
Well step 1 is just play more. Like most multiplayer games, tf2 is just chock full of stuff - you'll spend a lot of time losing to things you didn't even know were possible. You can read the official wiki and watch the demonstration videos to get an idea of all the different weapons, but how they're actually used in practice will mostly come from experience.
Anyway, the most basic tenet of medic is to not die. Unless you have like 4 medics on your team, you can safely assume that your life is more valuable than any of your teammates'. When you're starting out, focus more on checking your surroundings for enemies than trying to be sure that everyone around you is fully overhealed (don't worry if your teammates yell at you for not healing them enough because they will still yell at you even if you do). You don't have to keep your heal beam on your target once it's active, so look around and be aware. Whenever you have downtime, heal everyone up. There's a faster heal rate for people that have been out of combat for a few seconds, so spread the heals around when pressure is low.
Don't follow an idiot into a bunch of enemies if you don't have your ubercharge ready, let him just go die on his own. Similarly, don't bother trying to go ahead and convince some clueless retard to come along, his brain is going to shut down right when you need him to kill somebody.

tf2's default settings suck, look up a settings guide

don't buy weapons from the store, use an external website like scrap.tf to exchange the item drops you get for the ones you want
(if you want to get everything at once you can buy a single mann co key and trade that for all of the weapons, buying the key will also give you the premium-sized backpack so that you can actually hold all of those items)

look up medic guides on youtube for weapon-specific stuff and advanced stuff like airstrafing
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>>564210076
say "1 year and 10 months" out loud, then say "2 years" dumbass
which has more syllables? you get the same idea across in less words by rounding up to two years. how are you this dumb? do you never talk to people irl?
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>>564207537
>I want to impress him
From experience, please don't try to do this. People with many hours in the game often have high expectations for Medics and playing the class can be stressful, even by yourself, if you're new because everyone is out for you. If you still insist on it, this is the best advice I can offer:
-Position such that whoever you're healing is between you and the enemy
-You are more important than your teammates. If they decide to charge in, don't feel obliged to follow them
-Turn around for no reason every couple of seconds. Do this on every class, but it's good to get used to it on medic where the heal beam will keep going even if you look away
-It's better to uber and get nothing out of it than to die
-You can kill people with your melee weapon and will often crit because of the game's crit chance mechanics
-Healbuff your team. This means overhealing people so they have an overheal on them even after you remove your medigun from them
-Use your mouse to look around alot, don't just rely on WASD
-Your movement abilities will be good when you first start playing the game, then worsen, then get better after a few thousand hours. This is unavoidable, but once you have a bit more practise you can try shortcutting it by observing how F2P jose.gonzales.2018@goatse.de moves; coming to a stop for no reason, moving forward when he shouldn't etc. You can probably ignore this point for now
-If a Spy is trying to kill you with his melee weapon, do not run towards him. Make him come to you, or walk backwards
-Ensure you have the heal beam toggle option selected so you don't have to keep holding down M1
-Play the game to have fun, the outcome of the match doesn't matter
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You want the MvM update to be done in 10 months? How can you expect me to finish the MvM update in 2 years? I'm insulted that you think this artistry could be finished in a mere 3 years.
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Give the heavy that robots gun that shoots the rockets out of the air and then immediately abandon all support for the game
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For some reason today I ended up playing the old Unreal Tournament tutorial from 1999, and it's honestly way better at instructing than most modern shooters (despite still being extremely simple). Like it outright says "good players are always moving, so don't stand still". I can't imagine any game in the last 20 years saying that in-game. Also it has boobs.
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this thread was especially shitty
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>>564211881
i blame zesty jesus
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HAHAHA it will be HILARIOUS when "B-Bringbuckquickplah!!!" Fails to even organise anything or accomplish anything
You are lucky to even get a mvm update
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>>564211461
boobs are a 20th-century fetish
people haven’t been into boobs in over 20 years
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>>564204990
Top right reminded me of this.
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>>564211978
meds. now.
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>>564207537
-get the crusader's crossbow. craft it, have your friend gift it to you, buy it (most if not all weapons are literal pennies). get good and used to the projectile. healing people from a distance increases your usefulness on medic. you can bow people high up in spots or across the map. you trade your syringe gun and damage for it but you're a fucking medic, you're supposed to heal. if you have good enough teammates or get good enough at movement and dodging, you dont need the syringe gun. you can "arrow tank" classes like the heavy when they're fighting by continuously shooting them with crossbows while they're fighting and losing health. doing this heals them much faster than just using the medigun. works for any class but typically a heavy is the best because he will be stationary and can deal a lot of damage.
-use kritz or uber the most. these two mediguns will do the most good for a team on average. quick fix and vaccinator are fun and there's a time to try them out but the most amount of work will get done with the aforementioned mediguns. heal your friend the most and use the uber and kritz on him because you'll likely be talking in a VC while you play and you can coordinate popping way better. Kritz is ideally used on a demo, heavy, or soldier because of the damage they can output. a really good demo with kritz can wipe out an entire team with his 12 explosive projectiles easily.
-avoid going out into the open or bad positioned spots to save yourself from getting sniped or easily killed by other classes. like some other replies have said, your life is the most valuable and you need to know when to retreat, move somewhere else, etc.
-have 90 fov. goes for all classes but being able to see more helps a lot especially on medic where you need to have a lot of game sense and the ability to spot things such as spies or other incoming threats.
-play around corners and out of sight and let your healed target do the work when it comes to defending
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the best part about tf2 is that all the characters are dudes going at it until someone finishes (without any women)
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does valve realize if comp mode gave out an australium equivalent every rank up it would be 1000x more popular
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>>564212828
why would they want it to be popular without it costing people money to play
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>>564213001
more popular = more customers
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>>564213193
more customers of what
comp mode doesn't sell anything different from casual mode
if anything, fewer people per server = fewer walking advertisements for gaudy cosmetics
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>>564203680
I'm saying this from the perspective of an average-at-best skilled sniper.
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>>564212828
It doesn't matter if you're a comp player or a normal person, Valve comp is the punchline to a joke to literally everyone.
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>>564213685
it currently doesn't sell players on anything different but it could if valve wasn't retarded. class limits, weapon bans, an improved map pool, better matchmaking, a proper rewards system, etc. would pool many players in.
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>>564173992
nope, keeping the angry mob angry at the immovable object forever is the end goal. zesty is a lot of things but he's not a complete idiot, he knows he has one of the loudest voices in the community and a highly devoted fanbase, it would be downright easy and simple for him to make a handful of zestopia servers that run a handpicked selection of maps with old server rules. but then that fixes the problem for the small amount of people who care about it and is an admission that this quickplay drum he's been pounding on for the past year and a half is completely pointless. think of how many more videos he can squeeze out of this udder before it finally dries up, what that last flag sponsorship was just to fund his bionicle collection? this has always been the plan, keep his ravenous fanbase angry and pointing the fingers at an entity that will never so much as acknowledge their existence and ask for something they're very obviously never going to do so he can keep raking in shitloads of money from videos, sponsorships, and stream donations. it's a classic grift and the fact that his shittarded fans are too blind with hero worship to see it is exactly why by the time anyone calls him out on it, he'll be laughing his way to the bank and going to find some new grift.
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The emporium is not sending their best
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>>564215114
...riiiiight. ooorrr maybe he actually genuinely cares about the core gameplay/matchmaking unlike the other 'wholesome' tf2bers who pump out fotm community gamemode slop and wants to inform 100ks of people on valve's blatant neglect of the game and pave the way to small changes to improve the state of the game? hosting a community server does not fix any of the game's major problems at all.
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>>564215664
>we want to play the game with these specific server settings
>those specific server settings are incredibly easy to apply to any community server you create, and creating community servers has never been more accessible
>community servers do not fix the issue
also you type like a fucking redditor, big surprise for a zesty meatrider
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>ravenous fanbase
People say this all the time but they can never substantiate this claim. When zesty shit on unusualsandwich for his moronic decals video, how many of his “ravenous” fans doxxed him, contacted his employer in an attempt to get him fired, showed up at his house, and sent death threats to his family? None, but all of that happened to zesty when Soundsmith sent his army of underage psychos to do his bidding. Fuck off drew.
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>>564211978
i blame you and idiots like you
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>>564214768
no anon, what does it $$$ SELL $$$
valve hasn't cared about the game outside of moneymaking potential for a decade now
as the company has grown they have lost their soul
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>>564213839
irrelevant
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it’s ok when uncle dane demanded for random crits to be universally removed from casual despite the existence of uncletopia and other community servers with random crits disabled. it just was ok
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>>564215114
>it would be downright easy and simple for him to make a handful of zestopia servers that run a handpicked selection of maps with old server rules
he did tho dummy
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Socrates was right. People with zesty derangement syndrome truly possess weak minds. Why don’t you find fault with his arguments instead of resorting to gay ad hominem attacks?
Because strong minds discuss ideas, and you’re incapable of that.
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>>564215878
>0-2 minute play sessions with imbalanced teams and pubstomps are ok actually, if you don't like it play on furry sex pest topia or uhh......
also by hating zesty you think like a redditor which is 100x worse than typing like a redditor lmfao
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its funny that the Socrates image still gets mileage here even when I don’t spam it anymore
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Zesty Jesus is an idea, and that scares you.
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>Zesty Jesus is an id- wait, what are you doing?
*vacuum sounds*
>NOOO DON'T ANAL VORE ME!!!
*sucks you up into my asshole*
well, i guess that'll do
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>>564216924
Aryan truke
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>>564216147
Random crits are still in and that would have been 1 convar
You are never getting your precious liwle quickpway back valve is not reverting that server system change fuckhead
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>>564216147
actual timeline of events:
>uncle dane hates random crits
>makes a video about it
>valve actually makes a response to the video in the form of an in-game poll that goes nowhere because of course it didn't, it's valve
>uncle dane sees that valve is very obviously not going to do anything as simple as turning a 1 value to a 0 for something this minor and so takes matters into his own hands and makes servers with the ruleset he likes
>the servers still have a good reputation due to their role in letting people play vanilla tf2 during the bot crisis

meanwhile

>zesty has apparently always thought casual is literally unplayable even though he constantly played it and makes years worth of video content never talking about that fact
>then one day chet faliszek goes on one of his patented old man yells at cloud rants talking about quickplay
>immediately afterwards, zesty jesus suddenly and coincidentally gets a brilliant idea of his own because he's the only one who ever thinks for himself in this community
>zesty jesus comes to the conclusion that he can singlehandedly do what muselk, star, and jerma all simultaneously quitting the game over the universally panned release of mym couldn't do and force valve's hand to put an end to casual 10 years after the fact and well after the vast majority of the surviving playerbase has become ambivalent towards its existence like he already was before chet gave him this idea
>unlike dane, zesty is apparently incapable of recognizing that valve will do absolutely nothing because of course they won't, it's valve, we can't even trust these people to add maps and cosmetics that aren't dogshit in the life support updates this game gets, or to change one character in the code to disable crits, but we can trust them to completely revert a 10 year old update
>this path of most resistance is easier than just making a few servers to play tf2 the way you want to play it
>this is absolutely not a grift
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>>564217150
changing map timers/round counts would take even less work
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it’s ok when uncle dane wants to force you to play tf2 to suit his sensibilities (most players at the time were pro-crit, indifferent or simply elected to play on servers without them, this idea that a significant amount of people despised them is an utter myth)
but zesty is an evil grifter for trying to get a universally reviled update reverted (even though everyone was complaining about it as SOON as it went into effect)
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>>564217419
zesty has his own servers and you obviously know that, so what is the point of this post
oh right you just wanted to call him a grifter, stay mad that he is better than you
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>>564217419
>poll that goes nowhere
because a lot of people out there like random crits. literally nobody prefers casual mode to quickplay
>force valve's hand to put an end to casual 10 years after the fact
we forced them to ban bots after ten years, hell they even (briefly) fixed scout's pants colors. implementing longer map timers is totally doable if enough people speak up about it
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so wait… demoknight is better with a controller?!?!
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>>564218040
yeah he has his own servers. he just never talks about them, never advertises them, never pushed them as an alternative during the bot crisis and just spent all of his time whining and complaining about it and also the people who were attempting to do anything about it the entire time never actually getting anything done, and also never presents them as an alternative to casual for the people who want a quickplay ruleset back. it's just a place for him to use tf2 background footage during his streams since that's the only time anyone ever plays on them and he can ban people there for being too good at the game without any pushback this time. the only people who know about them are the most terminally online and devoted of his fans. he advertised last fucking flag more for his viewers than his own servers, where do you think his priorities are?
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you seem obsessed
even if he advertised his servers as an alternative (which he’s done in the past) you would still find something to bitch about. fuck off drew
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>>564218936
>i can't come up with any arguments, so in the magical dream world scenario where zesty did the only reasonable thing, you'd still be mad somehow. also you hate the youtuber i worship so you must be this one guy
you're not beating the terminally online allegations with that one
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>>564219306
>>i can't come up with any arguments
>he can ban people there for being too good at the game without any pushback this time
you are such a boring hypocrite
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>>564207537
Medic is the most powerful class in the game. A team without a medic is weak, and when they get one, it will increase their strength tenfold. He's so strong that even stacking him is powerful. As a result, picking medic is the best thing to do for your team if you are losing.

DO NOT DIE:
>If you die, your team will die quickly afterwards. Tf2 is a game of tug-of-war with hp and damage, and when Medic dies their HP can't keep up anymore and they drop like flies
>Stay away from your patients. You do not need to touch their butts to heal them, you have good range on your medigun so use it to stay away from them. Splash damage kills
>Be constantly spychecking. You do not need to stand still and look at your patients to heal them, you can freely turn around. Medic is one of the best spycheckers in the game for that reason, so always be looking around. Also do not get in melee range of a good spy, just shoot him
>Do not stand in Sniper's sightline. You have 150 hp, so 1 quickscope headshot or a charged bodyshot kills you. Move/strafe/turn like a madman and get to cover
>Do not get close to Pyro. Keep your distance, and if he ignites you, run away to teammates and a medkit
>For Heavy, while you are running away, jump and crouch, his bullets will push you while you're in the air
>Do not get caught out of position by Scout, you are food. Do NOT jump when running from Scout, it makes you easier to hit. Just run and strafe randomly, hope he misses (as a side, your speed matches your patient's speed, and healing a scout can help you run)
>For soldiers, use their explosives to strengthen your jumps, and jump away from them. Same thing for Demo
>always run towards safety (your teammates, your sentry guns, HP packs, dispensers, your spawn)
>as a last resort, KILL. Pull out your melee and just try killing the threat. Crit rate scales with damage done, and that extends to Medic with his heals. Ubersaw can also get you an uber in time
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>>564219720
Healing
>Heal whomever needs to be healed the most. There is no downside to switching patients. If for example you have a burning Scout in front you with 10 hp, and then a Heavy with 150 in safety, and then a Soldier peeking out and shooting at the enemies, you should heal the burning Scout first, the Soldier second, and Heavy last
>Just try to keep people ALIVE, you don't have to heal up everyone fully, sometimes a small heal is enough and you can get back to them later
>"Crit heals". you heal faster if they haven't taken damage in a long time. This is really nice, value crit heals.
>Overhealing. You have the very powerful ability to increase the max health of all the classes in the game. Scout gets as beefy as Soldier, Soldier gets the same HP as heavy, Sniper can no longer be quickscoped by other snipers, Heavy also needs a fully charged headshot to take out, etc.
>In general, overhealing is strong and you should always try to have everyone overhealed. Do not just sit there and overheal 1 person.
>HOWEVER, you charge uber faster by healing hurt teammates, so healing people with missing health is better than overhealing. Gets your uber up much faster
>"Pocketing". A strategy where you mostly heal 1 teammate. This is effective when you have few good players on your team, as focusing on healing the one good player is just better than healing a bunch of noobs. However, pocketing becomes a BAD strategy when the skill level of your teammates is balanced. Only pocket when you should
An important note. You have to give some tough love to your teammates. Give them heals, but make sure you're not giving 1 teammate more heals simply because he's getting hurt all the time. Players see they're getting healed so they just take damage carelessly and then try to "hog" you. Damage is obviously unavoidable in Tf2 but your teammates have a responsibility to avoid it as much as they can. Do not only heal bullet sponge teammates while neglecting everyone else
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>>564219720
crit rate doesn’t scale with healing. it’s only affected by recent damage dealt.
you remember when the medic crits you because you expect to kill him. you don’t remember the times where he hits you for 65 and you meatshot him twice
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>>564220023
Loadout/Mediguns
>Crusader's Crossbow, stock medigun, and ubersaw. That is the loadoat, you can use that for every single game as medic and it will work
>Do not use the syringe guns until you're better and want to mess around with them
>The other melees are decent, but Ubersaw is best
>The only thing you really need to think about is which medigun you want to use. Stock, Kritz, Quickfix, VAC
>Stock is very strong and universally good. Can be used offensively and defensively. I recommend it for new players, use it all the time. However, it takes a long time to charge, is punishing to die with, and takes skill to use its uber properly. Can be countered by good players (airblast, explosive pushback)
>Kritz is very offensively powerful. This offensive power can be used in many scenarios (even well against turtling enemy teams). However, the uber is harder to pull of as you are not immune to damage during, and your patient needs to know how to use it
>Quickfix is very strong in skirmishes and quick faceoffs (KoTH, first point) due to its fast uber. Also good on teams where you need 2 medics but you're the only one.
>Stay away from VAC for now. It's very strong, but it's not a good way to learn medic, and also everyone will hate you. This is something you should go back to later
When you get better you'll learn that every medigun is suited for a different situation and you'll know when to use which, but for now I just say use stock medigun.
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>>564211881
you're right, there's not nearly enough yordles fempyros and olivias

>>564216708
baby making sex with honey
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>>564220236
doesn't medic's melee crit rate increase if his patient deals more damage?
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the solemn vow is better than the ubersaw when you aren’t playing against retards.
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>>564220527
no way, ubersaw too good. Even against decent players there are many times you'll still get melee hits off and get free 25% charge. it's a game changing ability for tf2's strongest class
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>>564220527
trvke. kunai is also awful vs skilled players
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>>563960937
This American boot just kicked your ass back to /bag/!
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>>564221026
in most of my games I don’t get any opportunities to ubersaw and get away with it. guess my mmr is too high and my gamesense is too good for me to voluntarily put myself in 1v1 situations.
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holy shit
https://x.com/ShorKtf2/status/2046271547543814330
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I ain’t clicking that shit nga
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>>564221441
oh shit he ballin
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>>564221220
>I have never ever melee'd anyone with medic before in my life
Had a chuckle. You're playing Medic wayyy too passively/defensively if that's true. It's an okay way to play medic, but not the best way. Medic shouldn't be dying but he shouldn't be playing like a bitch either.
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>>564220487
yes it does, the anon you're replying to doesn't know this or is purposefully in denial
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>>564221441
the bavarian BALLER
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I'm goin' into pubs and I'm playin' some medic
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how do I attract medic gfs
I am a pretty skilled heavy main and often topfrag but the medics would rather uber the gunboats soldiers who rocket jump away at Mach 10 as soon as they’re invulnerable (why do they do this) than actually win the game by ubering me
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>>564222201
Buy unusual or demonstrate in some manner that you are a furry
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>>564222201
buy a gold gun, or if that's too pricey buy a specialized kit for a ~glowing~ gun
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If you want to attract medics, be german
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>>564222201
make yourself as garish looking as possible, it's like birds doing mating dancing
find some cosmetics with huge paint regions and dye yourself a bright color like gold or lime or pink
an unusual can also seal the deal, but it should be a cheap one like a terrorwatt toupee
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>>564222201
This comic has always held true
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>>564222201
Out of the 4 people I befriended in TF2, 3 are women
They mained Pyro, Medic/Sniper and Medic. I main Sniper and Engineer, maybe that would help?
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>>564222562
Will playing in German suffice?
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>>564222824
are we talking real ones, or men pretending to be ones due to untreated mental illness?
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>>564217419
>valve will do absolutely nothing because of course they won't, it's valve
lol
>"Valve won't ban the bots!"
>Valve banned the bots
>"Valve won't give us the seventh comic!"
>Valve published the seventh comic
>"Valve won't unmute F2Ps!"
>Valve unmuted F2Ps
>"Valve won't bring back Quickplay!"
>(You) are here
>Valve brings back Quickplay
lmao
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god I hate those soldiers who rocket jump into the enemy team when I uber them. never ubering a soldier again.
I’d sooner trust the scout with my uber than a floorclicker, at least the scout has a decent chance of accomplishing something with it.
How do soldier mains train for hours every day on jump maps yet lack any form of gamesense whatsoever
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>>564223039
Real women play tf2, though many of them also have untreated mental illnesses.
https://youtu.be/X_ZOV28n7Rw
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every time i uber one of the power classes they just run into the enemy team and dont do anything, or they just fucking sit there and give me the wagie stare
now i almost exclusively uber pyros because theyre so lobotomized that the only thing they know how to do is walk forward and kill, and they end up wiping out half the enemy team and their sentry nests
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>>564223313
i didn't ask
you just wanted an excuse to post this cringe clip you have an autistic fixation on
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>>564223039
All 3 real. One is apparently a lesbian, one is a huge normalfag and the third doesn't play anymore and apparently is a big artist on Twitter. The only time I befriended an alphabet soup person it was very unpleasant and I removed him at the first opportunity I had.
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you literally did ask and I answered while providing video evidence to support my claim
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>>564223541
post their steam ids or gtfo
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Skymin, my beloved...
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She will always be a femscout.
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Venusian was right about fatmagic cheating.
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>>564223083
>valve will remove bad actors taking advantage of non-functional anti-cheat
>valve will finish a comic they started and always intended to finish
>valve will not even fully revert a band-aid patch that muted f2ps change and still require people to authenticate themselves on steam
>valve will not go back on a decision they willingly made 10 years ago that the entirety of the tf2 community despising the update and casual mode couldn't get them to go back on
all of these statements are true and your delusional worship of a youtuber doesn't change that
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>all pyro mains use airblast scripts
>all snipers use aimhax
>all spies have autostab scripts
>20% of everyone else uses some kind of wallhax
old news
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>giving kritz to the sniper guarantees -150 at any distance
>barely anyone does this
Why?
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>>564225140
the sniper has a hidden mechanic where he can do -150 without a kritz uber
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>>564225126
not the case (except spies)
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>>564204160
Pomni x Demoman
Ragatha x Engie
Gangle x Demoman
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>>564225126
everyone does these things (except spies)
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>>564225245
This hidden mechanic of your only works when using a scope and aiming at a specific part of the character (which is flawed because it requires good aim, good timing and the game/the internet not shitting itself)
Not to mention that this certain part of the character can be obscured from the sniper
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>>564205983
https://gamebanana.com/sprays/82065
based sprays
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>>564225726
demoman is for zooble thoughbeit
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tadc and things like it should be banned to /mlp/
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>>564221778
nah the only reason I know about this mechanic was because I ubered our blatant cheating sniper who got 6 kills and I got 6 consecutive crits with my ubersaw
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there's 1 spot left on Zesty's server
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>>564227094
no this is impossible nobody plays on griftyjesus' servers this is a lie it's not possible he just wants ad revenue it's not happening noOO
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>>564188879
demoknight isn't OP but it's really fucking annoying to fight sometimes when you're dealing with a dude that can go scout speed with soldier health and damage resistances (before even talking about the "get the fuck out of there instantly" ability he has on cooldown).
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why do all the tryhard kunai spies use that unsightly straw hat cosmetic. always makes me cringe
at least the 12 year old snipers who use the anger eventually grow out of it. but the kunai sweatlords always use the gay straw hat. do they know that it looks like dogshit and intentionally wear it to piss me off I swear to god they do
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>>564227474
it's japanese themed so it goes with the noh mercy mask and the weeb robe
t. spy who wears that exact loadout
some spies wear the commando-grade weeb hat that's a metal dish on their head with a trailing scarf if they're a paypig, but that's somewhat uncommon
if spies really wanted to piss you off, they wouldn't wear any cosmetics so that they're harder to identify in a crowd and your brain subconsciously filters them out as a f2p, but then your brain consciously recognizes them as a smurf, so you take x2 psychic damage
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women don't play TF2
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do any black women play tf2
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black women don't play anything
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>>564228609
I know one transgender
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>>564228834
das rite
we don't play
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>>564228241
then why is /tf2g/ nothing but images of women
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bagboy ruined tf2
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>>564229052
because TF2 players hate real life women
but love drawn/virtual women
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>>564229158
omega hydrogen truke
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sometimes i feel sad…
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>>564229158
based and ryonapilled
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>>564227265
it was pretty fun. We played Watergate. Some guy kept talking on the mic trying to mimic the announcer.
We ended up winning thanks to a demoman that stole 30 bottles from the other team at the last minute.
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>>564229542
based funhaver
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>watergate has stupid meme announcer
tf2 players: ‘_>’
>pl_embargo has stupid meme announcer
tf2 players: >:(
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i need tf2 fanfiction i can put on my ereader
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>>564229793
old good new bad, glad you understand
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>>564229793
>text to speech voice
SOVL
>twittertranny """""""""""professional""""""""""" VA doing a garbage voice and reading le "wacky" and "witty" lines just so they can get paid and pad their portfolio by claiming they worked with Valve on THE TF2
SOVLLESS

hope that clears things up a bit
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>>564229793
>watergate had a comically shitty text to speech announcer that everyone at the time recognized as the widely known and memed WillFromAfar TTS
>embargo had a cringe OC announcer that clearly had no VA experience
they are not the same
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>>564229158
>>564230473
baby making sex with tristana and poppy
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I am going to go look up moistcavitymap's 20min yordle animation again
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>>564230473
>>564229158
I still don't know what game these sluts are from but I bet they're the only reasons to play it.
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The Embargo announcers are fine.
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i've played tf2 for almost 15 years and i've never played on watergate
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>>564230473
>>564230762
Read what you've done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1j44r4o/my_experience_as_the_embargo_announcer/
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>>564229158
>>564230473
made for tickle torture
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>>564229793
The Embargo announcers are ass.
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playing medic on badwater
https://youtu.be/bw3lU5MX_zI?t=22135
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reposting reddit thread pasta because nobody will click your reddit link counts as spam
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>>564231976
Shup up
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MVM update when :D
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not reading all of that
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>90 seconds apart
[derogatory slur]
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off model slop
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Having a meltdown because the background voice in a video game level isn't the same as the 2039340349340th other times
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>Having a meltdown
yeh we can tell bozo
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Embargo is a really bad map though. Just awful to play on and not fun, style over gamefeel. Watergate is at least stupid fun.
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>>564232208
built for paizuri, hotdogging, and baby making
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pyro buttcrush
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>>564232891
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>>564231465
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this would be WAY better if it had a custom farmer announcer talking in a hillbilly voice and saying funny things
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>>564232646
this. especially when you get into the casino portion with all the robots that carry around hp and ammo kits. that literally just serves to fuck over spies who have to drop their cloak or disguise and kill these things if they want to top up
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>>564233626
...you don't have to kill the robots. all you have to do is touch the health pack.
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>>564233903
maybe they fixed that in a later patch but that's not how it worked on release, i remember trying to get hp or ammo from them and i had to blast them with my revolver. maybe they only do it for one team depending on the cart's progress
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>>564232891
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>>564233476
>rush mode but instead of some random duke it's cowboy johnny (a glowie in disguise) hiring mercenaries to blow up old jenkins' radio towers and stop his terrible talk show that's polluting the airwaves, interfering with top-secret comms, and spreading vile lies about the government
https://youtu.be/aaXui87cF5Y
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>>564234858
god, GTA VI is gonna be so fucking soulless
hell, GTA V was already there
I still remember when I sold some TF2 items to buy the collector's edition of GTA V, just for my reaction to be "ehh... IV is better. and SA is better than both"
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>One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch... and kablooie!
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>>564235168
I sunk thousands of hours into gta online without ever playing the storymode which I had experienced years prior via youtube because I had no plans on buying it and never expected it to be given away for free
I kind of regret it
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>>564235545
Cute!
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can’t believe gta 6 will come out before how it FEELS to play medic
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remember when lazypurple got butthurt and asked that guy to please change the name of his "How it FEELS to play medic" video since lazypurple took way too long to make it and the guy figured he might as well make it instead
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dead game
dead general
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>>564240289
why did you post a blank image? I don't get it
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>>564240289
NO ONE HEARS A WORD
THEY SAY
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>>563960937
I want this as an item.
Puck-o-loka
>30s charge
>restores 150 health
>Player heal 35% of the damage done for 10s
>Alt-fire: Share a puck-o-loka with a friend (Medium Health Kit and 5s speed boost)

Or should it be Cup o loka ? looks similar to a hockey puck
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>>564240946
ah yes, I too want a lunchbox item that completely overshadows all other options
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that gross looking slop didn’t exist in the 1960s
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>>564243074
chocolate and peanut butter didn't exist in the 1960s?
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FACT: if you can't reasonably imagine a cosmetic fitting in a JC Leyendecker illustration it does NOT fit the TF2 artstyle
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but i did eat breakfast this morning
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i don't know who jay z linebacker is so by that logic no cosmetics fit the tf2 artstyle
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>>564240946
>giving Heavy mad milk
Awful.
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Thank you to all anons who replied to me with medic tips. I will now train to become unkillable
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>>564246419
>unkillable
enter: the random crit
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>>564246809
just dodge it little bro
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>>564245403
>>564241295
How would you tweak it? Was aiming for a Sandvich side grade.
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>>564247489
I wouldn't add it at all since all the bases are already firmly covered
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Where's Zesty's second truke
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>>564247489
I simply wouldn’t add in that bullshit
>>564247705
There’s like one or two that would actually be somewhat nice gameplay wise but most lumchbox customs are aids incarnate
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>>564250586
agreed.
i'd rather have shitty lunchbox items fixed before adding new ones, like the steak
>get rid of the dmg taken debuff - locking yourself to melee is already a huge downside
>have it heal like, 50-75 hp so it's not a total waste of a pick if you're on fire or something
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>>564240946
What is this thing called
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>>564251341
looks like an 'overbite' from buc-ee's
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>>564250586
So what would you have changed?
What you do you like yo see anon?
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>>564240946
>see something in my twitter feed
>proceed to see the same thing posted in every discord server
>now here
the venn diagram of the internet is just one circle
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>>564255061
I like chocolate and peanut butter.
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>>564255061
Sucks what Google and social media did to the internet
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>>564251341
reverse search says it's a "Bu-cee's Giant Peanut Butter Cup"
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>>564255061
wake me up when you see a "funny" 4chan screencap on xitter/discord only to go to 4chan and see that the thread is still up
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>>564240946
how about we get the mann bun instead of this slop
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>>564258729
made new thread before going to sleep
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>>564243729
Okay, this doesn't fit then
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>>564258849
EARLY THREAD DO NOT USE
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>>564258415
I bet that by tomorrow this post >>564255061 is going to be on every 4chan greentext repost account
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>>564258415
i did this once but the post was fake
well, the greentext pasta was completely fake, the post it was pasted onto was real
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>>564258993
this general is too good for them to be browsing
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>>564258889
trvke
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>>564258924
I think I'm gonna use it
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reminder to put konata in your post to protect it from 4chan content scrapers
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>>564259382
huh?
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>>564259470
Similar to this.
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>>564258616
I like sub more.

+50% resistance to all damage type for 12 seconds
Eat to gain health.
-50% healing effect
Alt-fire: Share with a friend (medium Health Kit)
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someone make a real thread I'm not using the koga / zesty early thread
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What will the next OP be?
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>>564260261
use this
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>>564260068
seconded I'm getting hit with the post is spam shit
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>>564261350
>>564261350
>>564261350
Real, on time thread
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>>564261375
thanks pally
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>>564258849
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