Why was Alicesoft so enamored with the FM Towns back in the day?

Hannies should be shipped by the thousands to be crushed by giant hydraulic presses.

>>566123237
Honestly? Upgrade.
Both endings respect Ludo as being unkillable. X goes the extra length of actually solving the fundamental problem of Ludo’s existence. Ludo is essentially just a kid playing rough with his toys. And if you met with Ho raga and watched Am’s third meal ticket in X both suggest to Crook that the chaos of the continent is the result of Ludo’s motherless behaviour.
How do you correct a kid who’s being a bit too naughty with his roughhousing? You call his parents and in effect that’s what crook does.
And there’s also the fact that there’s nothing inherently wrong or inconsistent with X’s happily ever after. Rance has been making the world better through his misdeeds since 01

>>566132632
My clay is so dense that the press would break first

>>566132894
Ludo was lame as fuck in kichi

>>566132894
I have never particularly cared about Ludo so is probably one of the reasons I don't care about the 2nd part. It's always been one of the least interesting parts of the lore of the series.

>>566134489
I'm not gonna call Part 2 a masterpiece but it was kinda fun to explore the world, the changed characters, Rancelets and so on. The gameplay sucked, and yeah while the Ludo deal is interesting, Ludo himself was not. I agree with that anon and I think X overall is great, and think it is an upgrade over KR. But I prefer KR's general personality and if KR was a bigger game with better gameplay I'd prefer it over X.

>>566134489
If you're talking about the lack of part 1 characters then I agree. Still a good ending though

Hey guys, I'm trying to get mill's adult form in kichikuou Rance. Your supposed to get several start of turn events and bring mill to the fountain of youth in the curse dungeon right? Asuka has already learnt his charged skill but I still can't get the adult form. Am I missing something?

>>566139379
If Milli is sick, that also locks out the adult event I believe, so it could be that.

>turning token loli into adult
Blasphemy i like ranceges but this aint it

>>566139904
By that you mean it's PERMANENTLY locked out or do I have to wait for milli to get better?

>>566140185
She cannot be sick for it to work, she has to either be cured or dead. I think it works if she's dead from what I recall anyway.

>>566140347
>I should have just left milli to die.
FUCK. what a waste of time. At least I've recruited aristotles and lelyukov in the meantime.

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I'm hungry.

>>566140531
>the moment milli comes back the fountain works
Alright, Kill milli as soon as she arrives. got it.

>>566148991
Milli always makes the fountain in my pants work

>>566148991
>murdering a young girl's sister so you can fuck her
That sounds like some kind of Chinese court drama

>>566155342
Not just to fuck her, I'm murdering her because Mill's ghosts and by extension Mill herself are apparently the best unit in the whole game.

>>566155567
What for real? I though she was ass on my first playthrough any tips on making her stronger?

>>566155567
It’s an easy game without it

>>566155567
>>566156832
Mill is already super strong without making her big as long as you get her through her early levels properly. Once she gets around 250 soldiers and isn't at risk of getting commander sniped, you can pretty much grind her in a dungeon as much as you like and she'll become unkillable in real combat

>>566156832
Mill's phantoms have 10 attack and 20 defence each. For comparison, Lelyukov, whom you'll find noticeably tanky, has 7 defence. Oh, and also Milli's phantoms fully refresh per turn. The only downside is her miniscule troop number in child form and the fact that you can only increase her troop size via leveling up which can be done with dungeon grinding + autoclicker
To get her adult form as fast as possible, you want to deploy her with Asuka as soon as you can, and make sure to eliminate anything that can generate a start of turn event. Noticeable examples:
Deploying Rick and Leila causing Rick's confession(you'll want to kill Leila anyway for the sake of getting Hanny king)
Not levying south causing mokomoko's start of turn event
You'll know your on the right track once Asuka has temporarily disappeared. Once he's back and you can use his charge attack, that's the sign to bring Mill to the youth fountain(in the uncurse dungeon, you'll need to bring merim)
Make sure to kill Milli btw, if she's sick you get locked out of Milli's adult form
>>566157050
I did make it pretty far without her but I still want her
>>566157190
I know. I just got her this turn

>>566131714
who dis qt

>>566157936
Do you even need to do the Asuka thing? I didn't think that was necessary.
>I know. I just got her this turn
All I was saying is that you don't have to get her adult form for her to be good, you only need to be a bit patient.

>>566158718
>Do you even need to do the Asuka thing? I didn't think that was necessary
If you mean to get her adult form, yeah its part of the questline. At least that's what it says on the wiki
>All I was saying is that you don't have to get her adult form for her to be good, you only need to be a bit patient.
True. I'm a bit too conservative with deploying my units

>>566157936
And also, don't use mercs. You'll get a guarenteed start of turn event where they announce they're leaving you

>>566158930
I double checked the wiki, and it doesn't say anything about needing to do the Asuka events to get adult Mill like I thought. It just says that you can't do it if the Asuka events are started or Milli is in the hospital. If you never deploy Asuka and Mill together to trigger the events, you can avoid that time waste entirely.

>>566160454
Seriously? I should check that on a new playthrough. That's an embarrassing amount of wasted time if true.

>>566155567
Nah bro just put Rick and Leila alongside Merim and repeat until they become very strong. Heard haurein's old man is decent too but I never properly used him.

>>566165478
Barres is the best

>>566165478
>>566165667
Leazas saikyou

Is there any eroge with a monogamous male protagonist? Maybe it let you pick the girl like a VN, but you're stuck with only one.

>>566165997
Plenty

>>566166082
Which one?

>>566165997
I'm pretty sure harem endings are actually the rare kind, not the other way around. At least when it comes to commercial VNs.

>>566166452
Most moege

>>566165997
Fate and Tsukihime.

>inb4 the harem endings
It's complicated, okay.

>>566167230
>>566167959
>>566168524
I was thinking about eroges with actual gameplay, not just visual novels.

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>>566169862
There's baldr sky and raging loop. Leaning more towards baldr sky

>>566169862
The percentage of "actual gameplay" eroge which aren't nukige is probably not very high.

>>566174939
Where'd you get that picture of me?

Why are we still raping

>>566181136
Rape is a man's soul

>>566182396
Heh, I'd rape to that!

>>566190882
Crook actually looks way better like that.
Need art like this in DSR when you fuse them.

Who is the strongest apostle in Rance? Caesar?

>>566197937
Rance

>>566197937
Probably Little. Gigai is really strong but I can't see him putting a scratch on Little even without the invincibility field. But Little doesn't really do anything on its own so maybe that doesn't count. Galtia's insects are also super strong but they can't really exist independently from him either.

Part 2 is awesome cause El is literally me

>>566197937
From what I've played (everything up to Quest) probably gay fire bird.

Part 2 is mediocre in large part because El is literally me.

Part 2 was a few H-scenes away from the highest tier of kino.

Considering Rance's reaction to the idea of Sill getting groped by Chaos, what would have happened if she received the Crook treatment?

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Time to play donuts donuts

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That sex scene was a bit too long for my taste.

>>566214315
Seems the feeling is mutual

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The sprites are incredibly good. I want a Rance game with the same quality. Despite being a lolifag, Gyokai draws the best breasts of any of the Alicesoft games I have played.

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I like all the different poses. They didn't need to go all the way with them like that. I guess that's the advantage of having a smaller cast.

So, how should I organize my days between dungeons and pimping? Is there a time limit?

>>566209392
DK ending

>>566209392
Suicidal Alice rush

>>566217934
>>566215782
It's really just because gyokai went insane with drawing+coloring everything himself
How alicesoft didn't pay a gorillion yen to retain this guy I'll never know

>>566219074
If there was an overall time limit, I never hit it. Except, later on when the game gives you a dungeon-related objective and it involves one of the heroines in some way, you need to do it immediately if you're trying to avoid those character's bad ends.

Your priority most days is usually based on your item/money situation. With pimping, don't worry about wearing out girls, you won't likely have enough birth control or mental-boosting items to keep them from breaking and you can always get more. Later on you'll want both permanently good talent and some random girls for matchups. A few of the unique talents can also be really useful. For dungeons, you'll eventually be prioritizing repeating a couple of them to get weapon upgrades (the most RNG-heavy and grindiest part of the game by far).

>>566215782
I really liked the attack animations, in particular.

>>566214315
I liked that the H scenes in Dohna were longer than I'm used to in Alicesoft games, it made it feasible to actually use them.

>>566221942
Is there a defense/pass turn button? I swear I can't find it.
I guess the random girls are infinite, right?

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Not a fan of characters having sex with the protagonist before the events of the game.

>>566222664
>Is there a defense/pass turn button? I swear I can't find it.
There's an infinite use item that does 10 damage, that's the closest to a 'skip turn'.
>I guess the random girls are infinite, right?
Yeah. But, you do want a couple permanent ones with great stats, or regular pimping will never be very profitable. The idea is to use the traits clients pass on to your girls along with items to accomplish this.

>>566223329
You're in luck then, because All 4 other heroines besides Porno and Kirakira start out as virgins.

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She looks a bit too young even compared to Porno... My king would not approve of it.
>>566223710
>There's an infinite use item that does 10 damage, that's the closest to a 'skip turn'.
I saw it but that's enough to kill the girl.
>All 4 other heroines besides Porno and Kirakira start out as virgins.

I knew about that before playing the game, it's just a bit disappointing the we don't get to see their first time together.
I'm going to call it a day. It's unfair how good this game look. So far the story hasn't really grabbed my attention, but I like the idea of a group of friends with a common goal in a modern setting. I would have liked to see how the band formed from scratch. I'm looking forward to meeting the next girls, I like what I've seen on the cover. I'm not a big fan of Kirakira and Antenna. They made Porno based on everything I dislike on a female character lol. Pretty sure she's the most popular one, or at least the most iconic. In any case, the combat is fun and if anything else, the visuals alone make the game worth playing.

>>566228470
Kikuchiyo is the most popular

>>566229248
The one with dark hair? Just by looking at the cover I can tell she has the best design.

>>566229861
Yes

>>566229861
They call her Kanami Black

If Redo of Healer could become a scandalous anime sensation, then why couldn't Rance? Besides nobody being willing to finance such a project...

>>566223329
Why, though? I don't have strong opinions on the matter but I'm curious as to what is it about that that bothers you.

>>566235340
Nvm I'm blind lol
>>566228470

As someone who haven't played the game, it looks incredible, but I'm still not exactly sure whether I can get behind the premise of pimping women...Rance is a lot less morally grey, and that's saying something.

Instead of "The Fall of Leazas" 03 should have been titled "Leazas Gets Briefly Occupied Before Being Liberated By a Tank and a Guy In a Green Tracksuit"

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i got it

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>>566235904
With how queasy some people are at the idea of the brothel+human-trafficking elements, I'm curious how Daiakuji would be received if there was a full EN tl available.

>>566212729
I fapped to the inui despair scenes then got sad that it was the best ones out of the special talents

>>566235904
the pimping minigame if you ignore the special talent is really just an obnoxious roadblock to prevent you from rushing the story.
I loved daiakuji for the brothel segments and dohna dohna really disappointed me with how shallow it is.
>>566239358
People would probably squeal, but good thing they have an alternative which is pretty hilarious where you open a hamburger franchise and send prisoners there as permanent laborers.

>>566239358
It's not that I would ever moralfag about it because it's not like a work of fiction is forbidden from having morally questionable characters, but past a certain point it just doesn't feel good to play as when the protagonists that you control and your own values are at odds that harshly for that long. What makes Rance work is that 90 percent of the time you are on the same wavelength as him, so the other 10 percent sort of gets a pass.

>>566232964
It would be neat seeing a random Rance OVA. Sort of like how the Sand Guardian one did it.

>>566248393
Maybe we'll see one when the Steam version and X English release rake in the money. Assuming Alicesoft lasts that long of course.

>>566248481
You truly think X will make large enough of a splash in the west that Japan will take notice of it, at least financially? I don't think we are a consideration to them at all unless we're talking about the big dogs like Square Enix.

>>566217934
The protagonist looks like such a dork standing next to all the other, better designed and dressed characters.

>>566252798
They don't think about us, but they'll gladly take our money when their current source of income is some 100k-400k yen per month on their live service game. The games being on Steam wiil net far more than that, and they could do something fun with the money.

>>566235340
It's like starting a game blind vs playing new game plus. The first time between two characters tends to be the most interesting.
>>566235904
Morally speaking, Kuma and company are ten times worse than Rance. The human trafficking thing is too shallow for me to feel bad for the girls, although I wish it were different. The random girls' designs are amazing, so it feels like a waste to pimp them out. I don't get the appeal of watching cute girls getting violated in cruel ways.

>>566254349
Would be pretty funny if gaijin bucks ended up being the thing that jolted Alicesoft back into this side of existence from death's door.

>>566256056
Yeah, suffering of that sort for me is only acceptable when it serves a narrative purpose to characterize villains as villains and to get the player upset enough to care about defeating them. People who actually get off on those kinds of scenes scare me...

>>566256121
>>566256826
If its some random npc then I might give it a try. A character I’ve bonded to? No thanks

>>566257857
If I took her ears off, would she die?

Where did you guys download 1.04 rance x, i would rather use improved ai mtl patch if there is even a difference.

>>566264297
https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/Rance_X:Update_Patches
You need to install them in order. smallest to biggest.

>>566265508
Ty

Don't kill me but dohna dohna reminds me of Persona 5

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>>566265508
I only remember installing 1.04 and I have 7 CP already. Do I have to restart all over from 0CP again if I reinstall all the patches the correct way?

>>566267302
I don't think installing patches resets your data, no.

>>566266628
It's like P5 if all the doujins about it were canon.

>>566268861
Now that I think about it, virtually every girl in Persona 5 had some kind of NTR plotline. No wonder all the doujinshi are cuckshit.

>>566270287
>protagonist canonically fucks every single girl in his circle
Persona 3 wins again

>>566270962
Even the robot. Especially the robutt.

>>566270962
P3 is the best one by far, but I hate that new remake. Not all remakes can be like 01 and 03.

>>566271839
Yeah I didn't touch the remake either
One listen to the butchered soundtrack and I was like nope

>>566271839
There are some nice aspects of it like adding the nightime scenes with the party members, but some of the other stuff is so wrong that it makes me want to throttle someone. Even just in the intro to the game, they fuck up the pacing and intrigue from the original.

>>566272105
For me the nightime scenes were just the characters repeating their gimmicks over and over. I couldn't go pass the third month, they sucked all the edge and atmosphere out of it.
Btw I like how P3 is the most explicit about the MC having sex with the girls. They should sell the license to old Alicesoft.

>>566273328
One can't help but wonder how close the P3 MC got to getting Nice Boat'd.

>>566272105
Yeah, the original is my favourite game of all time and I didn't touch the remake either, mostly because the atmosphere that made me like the original so much went poof completely. As you said, the prologue and especially the cutscene with Thanatos might just be the most egregious example. The original is incredible. The remake's version is like a wet fart.

This is rather nitpicky and a bit of a weird complaint but I also don't like how conventionally attractive they made Aigis in the remake. When I played the OG I thought she was supposed to be sort of like a doll, very "perfect" but rather uncanny if you look at her from too close for too long. The remake completely removes the uncanny valley factor and just turns her into a kawaii robot girl.

>>566257857
why does she have kuma ears if her name is korako?

>>566274446
Because you play easy modo

>>566274283
>the original is my favourite game of all time
NTA but same

>>566274649
I am the anon and same.
>>566274446
Her name is Kumako though?

For me it's Gotcha Force

I want Rance as the protagonist Persona 6. When is that fucking game coming out, anyway? Rance X, Red Garden, P6...we used to get a new Final Fantasy like every second year and now it's completely normal if a franchise doesn't release a single major entry for half a decade or more.

>>566276301
Devs and more importantly investors bought into the triple A every object needs to have 100000 polygons meme, as well as the next gen game engine meme, and have to spend 10s of millions on both as well as an inordinate amount of time communing with indians about outsourcing.

>>566276301
>When is that fucking game coming out, anyway?
Judging by the quality of modern Atlus games, hopefully never.
Most JRPG franchises are dead at this point.

What Arcana would Rance's girls and friends be?

>>566277782
>Sill
Lovers
>Lia
Devil, then Empress
>Feliss
Tower
>Magic
Hanged Man
>Shizuka
Magician, then Death
>Sheila
Wheel of Fortune
>Miracle
Emperor
>Sen
Chariot
>Isoroku
Temperance
>Tilde
High Priestess
>Pastel
Justice
>Mouri
Devil
>Kanami
Fool, then Judgment

>>566256826
That's never quite the done job of making me angry and motivated. What does is just getting looked down on, really. Play VenusBlood Frontier. The beginning scene is to me the epitome of this. I swear no AAA game ever got me so mad and pumped up. I beat the entire game explicitly for the purpose of beating and raping everybody in that scene.

>>566277782
Rance is obviously the Fool
Maria is the Magician
Crook is the High Priestess
Lia is the Empress
Patton is The Emperor
Hornet is the Hierophant
Shelia is the Lovers
Shizuka is the Chariot
Urza is the Strength
Hubert is the Hermit
Feliss is the Wheel of Fortune
Rick is the Justice
Sen is the Hanged Man
Lia is the Death
Isoroku is the Temperance
Feb is the Devil
Feliss is the Tower
Reset is the Star
Rizna is the Moon
Sill is the Sun
Silky is the Judgment
Miracle is the World

>>566256056
Morality is very far from a concrete thing, but Rance has definitely hurt tens of thousands in VI, along with the innocents he's personally killed and raped. Maybe his occasional and often unintentional heroism makes up for it but he's still got a lot on the other side of the scale. I don't remember Nayuta's good deeds that well but their bad ones shouldn't even compare to Rance's.

>>566287007
Rance brought freedom and democracy to Zeth

>>566287007
Zeth completely had it coming. Every npc, be it second class or mage was an ass prior to the great purge and I do not fault Rance for not giving the slightest shit about any of it.

>>566287007
The wars in Rance VI killed thousands and left tens of thousands more displaced, but on the other hand, if that didn't happen they'd all have been genocided by the monster army a few years later. In comparison the so-called "Camilla Dark" was like a fun little vacation.

>>566282490
You have Feliss twice there, and neither times as The Devil

Though I think the Arcana that best suits her is The Hanged Man since that one is supposed to be about being trapped in a difficult predicament that seems impossible to escape.

>>566267431
Oh yeah I just remembered that I used the copy of Rance X from the 35th anniversary box. Does anyone know if it came pre installed with patches or not? Because I tried to launch the Updater program but it said that it couldn't detect my game and suggested that I may not have installed the game. Is there a specific way to use it? The readme file attached isn't helping much

>>566282490
I think the other anon has it right, Sill should either be Lovers for being Rance's moral compass and also the voice of emotions he can't express towards other characters, or The Star for being an infinite fountain of hope.

>>566289085
Feliss isn't the Devil outside of being a literal devil.
>The Tower Arcana is commonly associated to overly arrogant, prejudiced and authoritarian organizations, which walk to their own ironic demise. Furthermore, it is also more generically used as an omen of doom and disaster
I stand by my placement of The Tower as the first anon who answered.

>>566277782
Rance is the fool (El fits better)
Shizuka is the magician
Sill is the priestess
Sheila is the empress
Patton is the emperor
Gandhi is the hierophant
Lia is the lovers
Sen is the chariot
Sanakia is the justice
Maria is the hermit
Copandon is the wheel of fortune
Rick is the strength
Dark Rance is the hanged man
Miracle is death
Crook is temperance
Feliss is the devil
Pastel is the tower
Urza is the star
Kanami is the moon
Rizna is the sun
Hornet is the judgment

The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate. Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope.

Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed.

>>566291250
Rance would be a natural persona user because he's true to his inner self.
His persona would probably be that giant penis demon. That or some kind of robot chick that transforms into a motorcycle.

>>566290346
Milli or Lia are the most Devil-like characters.

>>566289585
The lovers isn't really about romantic love but rather of resolve in choosing, the sun fits her more, don't see how the star fits her at all since I don't see her bringing hope too many people outside of Rance.

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>>566291564
Giant penis demon...you're thinking of Mara.

I think Cú Chulainn would suit him, unironically. He's by far the closest thing in our world's mythology to Rance and if we are going by the rules of 3, 4 and 5 then non-Wild Cards cannot have personas which don't match their sex.

>>566291667
Sill is obviously The Lover. That's the card of duality, union, partner, soulmate, all that kind of stuff. Additionally, I dont think she fits the priestess here at all. >>566290635 That's supposed to be either the sensuous, alluring archetype or have religious overtones, like a shrine maiden or oracle, or generally a highly intuitive woman. Also, the Sun signifies peace with one's circumstances which I don't think Rizna.

>>566292139
>non-Wild Cards cannot have personas which don't match their sex.
I feel like this would come up, he'd complain over and over that it's a dude, and whine until he somehow forces the persona to become a hot girl instead. Like he awakens his persona before a fight with some bad guy and he says "nah I don't wanna fight with some dude" and gives up even though everyone will die if he doesn't

Priestess is MALICE

>>566292605
Not that anon but I thought the Lovers was about inner emotional harmony, being perceptive in how others are feeling, and also intuitive wisdom. It doesn't have much to do with love directly, just like Death is more about a radical transformation or a paradigm shift rather than literal death.

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The semen demon

>>566292605
I'm a basic bitch. For me shy girls who can heal are The Priestess and preppy popular girls are The Lovers.

>>566293335
>The Lovers signifies perfect union, harmony, love and attraction. The Lovers can represent finding the balance within oneself, learning to understand oneself and what they value in life.
Intuition is more of the priestess' thing

>>566293809
Witch hats are the fucking best

>>566293957
Yukiko and Makoto are neither shy nor unpopular.

>>566294598
Yukiko is definitely shy, however maybe modest and submissive are better ways to describe them, at least pre-awakening. Also the Priestess personas/demons tend to be fragile healers, although Makoto is more like a paladin.

>>566297634
Yukiko isn't shy, she's just reserved, as the japanese believe women ought to be. Being a yamato nadeshiko is like her entire aesthetic.

>>566297634
*laughs for 20 minutes straight*

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>>566131714
Just started chapter 2... does it get better? Am really thinking about dropping it. Will the MC stop thinking about sex 99% of the time? Will the girls have better character building?...
I liked the world building and it seems like it got some real potential, but I can't manage bad characters just for it... art and music and gameplay are whatever for me.
The only other Alice soft I played was Dohna Dohna, I 100% the story stuff but didn't like it at all... I kept pushing myself to finish it because some reviews and randoms told me it get better... a mistake I don't want to do here if it doesn't really get better at all.

>>566297817
>Being a yamato nadeshiko is like her entire aesthetic
I know, but two things can be right at the same time.

>>566300360
Those are some interesting complaints... Do you not like eroge, or do you just prefer a lot of plot to go with it? If Alicesoft doesn't hit the sweet spot for you, you probably should go for VNs honestly, where the sex is more like in movies. It doesn't sound like you're gonna like Rance either.

>>566300360
My man, go play the start of Rance 01 and if that doesn't go over with you, then I don't think there's anything else to be said.

>>566300360
You should try Rance 01. It's very short and easy to get into. Don't expect a lot of character building though. Alicesoft games are more about the world building and dark humor.

>>566300360
>Will the MC stop thinking about sex 99% of the time?
Are you a woman? That's just what the inside of a man's head looks like.

>>566301623
>do you just prefer a lot of plot to go with it
This! I do read VNs, I know that Alicesoft is a big part of the industry so I thought about reading one work from thim yearly, last year was Dohna Dohna and this year was this... but I think dropping it now after spending less than 10 hours in it is a the move. Will try with them again next year I think? Hopefully I will one year hit the right spot and see their best works, but it will be for sure not Rance.
>>566302461
>>566302870
>Ranclop
Sorry, but I 100% know that I will not like it, every single time I see Rance online I cringe. Don't think I can handle playing anything with him as the MC.
>>566304174
I am a black man, which are the most "lustful" but I don't think about sex like that. There is a time and a place for everything, but this MC was pretty much thinking about it in a very disturbing way.

I wanna do Maris in the butt.

>>566304493
If you can't appreciate the most soulful character in the medium, I will repeat then, I don't think there's anything else to be said.
>>566306343
Is that Quest scene with Lia anal? I can't recall.

>>566306343
Why? She poops from there

>>566306924
It's the ultimate act of feminine submission. There's no place more intimate that a woman can give a man than her asshole. The Japanese have long known about this inseparability of the asshole and the soul, hence that grim bit of folklore about kappas tearing the souls from their victim's bodies through their assholes.

>>566307910
Any oji-san off the streets can make a girl excrete her soul from her anus, according to the doujinshi I've been reading.

>>566307910
>t. Kunihiko Ikuhara

>>566308140
The unfathomable powers of analomancy are certainly not to be underestimated. It's not surprising in the least that those in the know would try to raise awareness about its dangerousness.

>>566308425
I never saw Utena...

>>566308846
It's better that way, although I was thinking about Sarazanmai.

Where and how did Mill get her eidolons?

>>566309605
She was born with that skill

Do anons think an actual idealistic gigachad would make for a good eroge protagonist, or would he be too boring?. I'm of the opinion that they should at least work better than in regular media, and there are a few examples in media, even though they are fewer in number nowadays. But cases like Rance might be more entertaining. even though he is definitely not idealistic, because he fails in some accounts:
>does things the viewer might find disagreeable, even putting morality aside, for example, harming cute girls
>is simply not a moral being, at all, and more of a barbarian
>fails a fair amount of times, and looks pathetic while he does so
>is often recognized in-universe for what he is, Barres and Lia aside.
>even though he gets away with a lot, by the end, a good chunk of the world hates him.

>>566310559
>and there are a few examples in media
And these examples are?

>>566310559
Rance works exactly because he gets shat on by the writing almost as much as he shits on others.

An idealized gigachad would be both boring and cringy in that wish fulfillment kind of way.

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>>566304493
go back and watch shonenslop you retarded nigger.

>>566311221
His armor looks like one of those Michael Bay Transformers cars.

>>566310559
What type of gigachad are we talking about?
Harlock?
Conan?
Either way works. There are plenty of more "standard" eroge protags, and a Harlock or Conan wouldn't be any worse than a Shirou Emiya.
But Rance is uniquely interesting because of his flaws, mostly his moral ones.
>>566311098
I don't think it would necessarily be boring or cringy, but certainly a lot less unique. Rance strikes a perfect balance that's somewhere in between Leisure Suit Larry and Conan.

>>566310869
Think 80s action movie leads, isekai protags (when they're not the fag type), Superman, and so on. It's not a set in stone deal, how they are treated by the writing and universe is a bit more important than their actual characteristics.

>>566311098
I think perfect characters have been made interesting before, a bit like how flat character arcs can work. However if the scope of the story is too large I think they quickly become uninteresting and the world surrounding them becomes much more important. This is definitely not the case for Rance.

>>566221942
>I liked that the H scenes in Dohna were longer than I'm used to in Alicesoft games, it made it feasible to actually use them.
Play any Beat game.

>>566239847
I think there's a brothel minigame in one of the Alice Cottage disks or something.

Where did you guys learn all of this Tarot stuff?

>>566313950
Search engine plus boredom

>>566313950
Persona and Jojo's

>>566314541
>>566314228
>Not Shin Yoshida

>>566313950
Jojo

>>566314847
How? The only card the manga explains is The Star.

>>566315078
Made me read about them.

>>566313950
Persona, mostly.

There are side quests in those games called S-links which usually center on the story of a character who exemplify something about the symbolism of the arcana in question, or rather more like, they start out exemplifying the vices of those arcanas and you try to steer them towards exemplifying the virtues instead. Chariot in the upright position means determination, but in the reversed position it signifies recklessness or impulsiveness and insensitivity. Hermit in the upright position means a thirst for knowledge of the self and the outside world, in the reverse it means being an antisocial recluse. And so on.

>>566304493
Let me guess, the VNs you read are slop like Muv-Luv and Doki Doki? Rance and Big Bang were the only real good series to come out of Alicesoft. If you think Rance is slop and you won't give it a chance just move on. You'll find nothing here that satisfies your particular taste.

Also ever since I know a bit about the Tarot I always roll my eyes when TV shows or movies try to present Death as THE ominous card when the card that you should actually fear is The Tower, the designated card of calamity and misfortune.

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>>566315820
Muv Luv was enjoyable though

>>566304493
>>566300360
ABDUUULL
Go back in your container general /vn/ schizo

>>566316923
Definitely not. As someone who forced themselves to read all three the only "good thing" about it was the historical background and aliens. The characters were flat and one-sided, dialogue repetitive, and main character insufferable. Even the twist with the heroine is obvious and retarded. If you liked it you have no taste. Baby's first VN with shallow story.

The real /m/ VN of choice is Demonbane

>>566317406
I enjoyed extra and unlimited. Yea takeru is a bitch which is why i prefer extra. The way you rou read and digest the story is different than mine. I already forgot and ignored what i felt reading alternative.

>>566312097
As a Fate primary I think I could make a pretty solid case for Shirou not being a bad protag, but it's not really the kind of case that one can make to people that haven't read the VN.

>>566313539
idk if i'm thinking of the same one but there was a school brothel minidisk that dohna dohna basically copied the minigame completely from.

>>566318591
Nta but he''s a bit insufferable but too docile for niwas' liking. Shiki would be better.

>>566315820
No, he’s way worse than that, he only like KEY games and one Yuri VN (flowers), he’s one of the worst schizo of /vn/ recently he started playing nukige purely to complain about them and to praise KEY in comparison.
How do we know it him?
His way of writing is really easy to recognize

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>>566319284
>His way of writing is really easy to recognize
Thank God I'm an esl. This shit don't happen to me

>>566319284
Havent been to that shithole in forever but is it dulljeet?

>>566319880
Yeah, it Dull

8===D @O@

>>566316416
Death meaning the end of something major but also a new beginning is neat symbolism.
>>566318591
I really hated him initially when I watched Deen Stay Night. They make him out to be the biggest shounen retard imaginable. He's a good character though, and Fate would've been only empty chuuni without him.

>>566318850
Was it good?

>>566313950
Tokyo Ghoul... Wait, why do the japs know so much about an early modern European fortune telling set of cards?

>>566321095
not really there was like 3 cgs, the only interesting part was someone modding in medusa into the brothel so girls who get picked by her become crippled and mentally broken.

>>566315804
This. Mostly the wiki and this scene
https://youtu.be/pxSkc8ICLr0

According to AI:
0 - The Fool: Rance
I - The Magician: Maria Custard
II - The High Priestess: Shizuka Masou
III - The Empress: Lia Leazas
IV - The Emperor: Patton Misnarge
V - The Hierophant: Crook Mofus
VI - The Lovers: Sill Plain
VII - The Chariot: Rick Addison
VIII - Strength: Kenshin Uesugi
IX - The Hermit: King Dragon
X - Wheel of Fortune: Copandon Dott
XI - Justice: Leila Grecni
XII - The Hanged Man: Kentou Kanami
XIII - Death: Kayblis
XIV - Temperance: Sel Catchgolf
XV - The Devil: Hornet
XVI - The Tower: Miki Tsuki
XVII - The Star: Kouhime
XVIII - The Moon: Satella
XIX - The Sun: Magic The Gandhi
XX - Judgment: Ariosto
XXI - The World: Dark Rance

>>566324787
No

>>566324787
You know, that's not even bad except Dark Rance, Hornet, and Magic who I find exceptionally funny.

>>566326401
Hornet is probably just because she is the Demon King's daughter.

I feel like the Fool could work with either
Rance,Arios or Kayblis

>>566327080
Technically it works with El the most.

>>566326401
Must refer to the sunlight reflecting off her forehead.

>>566330517
You could roast an ant colony with that

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I feel bad when they give a personality to the random sluts. Why would I want to pimp them?!

>>566335623
Justice for Tsuina

Voltage abilities are pretty cool. I would play a donuts donuts fighting game.

>>566289275
Check top left and click version

>>566310559
Could work as a joke here and there.

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First girl that appeals to me.

>>566311098
>An idealized gigachad would be both boring and cringy in that wish fulfillment kind of way.
Yet Conan short stories brvtally mog anything written today
Curious

I guess the baby means I'm going to lose her soon.

I've recommended it here briefly before but I reckon a lot of niwas would like the Flashman series.

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>>566342746
Pic related

>>566327080
Arios and Kayblis would be the Reversed fool arcana.

>>566311538
Demon lord Rance has the coolest armour out of all the demon lords

>>566342919
You can technically keep her around if you have a lot of good mental traits but yeah it's basically a death sentence

>>566338506
It says 1.04 but since one should install all of the updates cumulatively, I'm not sure if it has the 1.01 and 1.02 updates

>>566342919
>>566342746
No she is fine. Use her as a cannon fodder to protect your girls from clients that give bad attributes.

>>566352292
the face of justice

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Best girl spotted?

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>>566287007
Rance might rape a girl in the spot, but he doesn't kidnap her and pimp her out to old men for money until she ends up mentally broken or pregnant.

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Her jimiko look was better

>>566353321
her sister

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Does Lia realise who the number one threat for Rance's seed is?

>>566346397
Check Menu
And see if there's option of あらすじ

If there is, you should be fine

>>566355802
>Number One Threat
>Doesn't have Rancelet after Part 2

>>566357972
Nagi counts

>>566357972
We get the zero-nuance, in your face confession as compensation and that's good enough

>>566359343
Not counting that
Like an actual Rancelet

>>566360207
Only for the beat wars collab (which is set after X) ignoring that

And if you say collab doesn't counts,
Q&A from Orion, stated that Rance irked and regretted his action after finding out her circumstances and won't ever touch her again

>>566324787
Death should be Death-ko and Athena should be the Fool.

>>566360464
she's young enough to give him more.

>>566360912
Read >>566360661

>>566360661
>Only for the beat wars collab (which is set after X) ignoring that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L9Spq7Kcps
In the main story that seems to be the case but in her character story she outright admits she trusts rance and even smiles at him while he laughs. No idea what you mean
>Q&A from Orion
source? Not to mention that's inconsistent even if it's true. They literally fuck in a changing room in the beat gacha
https://mega.nz/folder/BBozmQQY#mndiwo57bJA-EnjRAU5r8A

>>566361047
Yeah nah

>>566360661
Why is Rance so gay

>>566361059
The Beat Wars took place in between Part 2 and Hanihon X SS during new year
So it's Interquel and things can changes

The Q&A is the most recent thing
https://x.com/ORION_PROJECT/status/2027884838976688627?s=20

It's a follow up question to someone question about if Shizuka will have a kid
And Orion answered...
She basically gonna open/revealed her circumstances first to Rance

Which led to recent answer by Orion

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>>566361381
>The Beat Wars took place in between Part 2 and Hanihon X SS during new year
Sound convenient.
Also for the picrel:
>if
>もし
Orion only confirmed Rance's reaction, not that Shizuka ever divulged her circumstances. This also doesn't change that Shizuka still lovehates Rance, rather than just hate.

>>566355127
What is the in-universe explanation for the phantom thief outfits being so slutty?

>>566361650
>Shizuka ever divulged her circumstances.

I forgot to put the question from long ago
https://x.com/ORION_PROJECT/status/1231458029637259265?s=20

>>566361650
if anything, Shizuka knows Rance draws the line at incest, so seeing as she never plays this card to get him off her back in beat gacha, this means she still wants the nakadashi
>>566361773
Now this is just Orion making things snnoying. You said that beat gacha takes place between part 2 and Hanihon X, with this tweet asking about the END of part 2. So, now there's inconsistencies, with these following outcomes i can think of
>可能性
1. Shizuka never did tell Rance about their relationship
2. Shizuka did tell Rance, but he doesn't give a crap.

Keep in mind that Orion himself says that these are just what he thinks and not canon.

Shizuka always had daddy issues so it probably makes her want it more.

>>566363453
>flat and bony in comparison to her friends
>no dad
>sees rance play with reset
>the very next game makes it so she is the size of reset and obtains genes to grow up with thick thighs and big tits

>>566361718
They're distracting.

>>566362070
>You said that beat gacha takes place between part 2 and Hanihon X
Yes
Characters like Rance, Sill, Nagi/Shizuka, Satella, Rizna and Silky came after the series ended

終了後 here means After Part 2 but not immediate
It can happened whenever not right after/immediately after

>>566362161
When Orion answered with what he thinks,
He usually add 織音設定
It's basically his HeadCanon

If it doesn't have 織音設定, that means the answer is approved by Alicesoft

Basically,
織音設定 (Orion Setting) = Orion Headcanon, Alicesoft are allowed to debunk/Ignore this statement
If Orion doesn't 織設定 = It's official (Japan doesn't have Canon as a term so they referred to something as 公式/Koushiki which translated as Official)

>>566364358
>If it doesn't have 織音設定, that means the answer is approved by Alicesoft
Stated by whom?

>>566364358
I was around for this every single year and he's always been consistent that its all what he thinks.

>>566364715
ラフ画集の解説などで度々散見される、スタッフの織音氏の「個人的な設定」の事。世界観構成担当の一員でもある氏のコメントなのでそのまま公式と思いがちだが、必ずしも他のスタッフと諮って決定している訳ではない・即興性が強い・ラフ絵を描く際の指針的なメモ・絵も含めて設定原案の一環・後日の設定変更等、様々な事情によりこの段階では公式設定として定まってはいない。

中には誤認や最近の正史シリーズの設定を度外視して語られている独自解釈もある為、基本的にデザインを起こす際のイメージ的な物、他の設定と競合しない場合は公式、ぐらいに捉えておくのが無難と思われる。

JP Wiki is very trustworthy resources compared to the English one

>>566364985
>Since he is also a member in charge of world-building, it is easy to assume that his comments are official, but they are not necessarily decided in consultation with other staff members... are subject to change . Due to various circumstances, they are not established as official settings at this stage.

Seems like headcanon to me.

That said Feliss drowning ants is as canonical as it gets.

>>566364985
>ぐらいに捉えておくのが無難と思われる。
That's still an assumption from a fan's mouth.

>>566365245
This is about 織音設定 one
https://seesaawiki.jp/rance-world-note/d/%BF%A5%B2%BB%C0%DF%C4%EA

The easiest way to know is how Tada and Orion 設定 defined the power scaling for the demon king

Orion 設定 actually gave in depths of how each demon king have it's pros and cons, how it affected the overall ranking

HOWEVER, in Tada version
The demon king strength is based on the numbering so 1,2,3 is obviously strong (ssulal upscale) 4,5,6 and so on
So buton is at the bottom

https://x.com/i/status/1761042478579503401
https://x.com/i/status/1761048306258760147

>如何せん歴史の長い作品な事もあって、織音氏が関わらない部分でも矛盾は存在しているのであまり細かく気にしない方がいいかもしれない。

>>566357706
I do not have it do I?
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>>566241331
I can see what you mean. But there is a part of me that enjoy seeing characters who I'm polar opposites to in everywhere. They're like an anomaly to be studied in my eyes.

>>566253150
That was kinda the point.

>>566361718
Distraction. If they are looking at their body they won't look at their faces. I don't know why not use a mask like reasonable people. I would have preferred if the costumes were modests. This is an eroge, they are going to take their clothes anyway.

>>566365781
This part is also true
Like how X ignored some 01/03 for some reason

>>566375887
*some Part in 01/03

While the whole thing should matter in Nagi's case, I don't see why it should affect Shizuka. It's like a Father no longer fucking his wife just because she got a kidney transplant from their daughter.

>>566369471
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Rance would have killed them violently for messing with girls this young.

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Kek, this is one of my favorite books.

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>>566380631
right in Rance's prime age range

>>566377704
Yeah that anon was weirdly insistent on Shizuka apparently no longer loving Rance or Rance giving up on fucking over something so trivial. The first person Rance though of fucking while in demon lord form was Shizuka.

>>566381146
They look closer to Alfra than Patty

>>566382801
The fact we never had any Alfra h scene is one of the biggest shame of the series

If there was a Rance 06, Rance would have fucked Karma and had to restrain himself around Alfra.

If there were a Rance 06, I would beat up and fuck Sanakia 50 times in a row.

>>566385179
He did actually have to restrain himself when Karma assaulted him IIRC

I would fuck

>>566381494
>The first person Rance though of fucking while in demon lord form was Shizuka

Yeah that's after he discovered Shizuka can negate his impulse
During the recap in RA13, he stumbled upon her and felt something different afterwards
Thus gaining the mistress title because he keep chasing her

Even Kumiko from TT1, retroactively in Beat Wars collab acknowledged this

Also,
The game doesn't make it clear (they just said, they acted like Hirami Lemons replacement but that's it) but Incest Blood/Blood Related can negate the impulse effect of Demon Lord
Something about being very Pure

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>>566388053
"I thought the name sounds familiar but could it be...?
You two are the rumored "Archfiend's Mistress" Masou-san and Nagi-san?"

>>566388229
1 more note,
I actually forgot when she heard the name but it's probably when she's still a kid so 7 years before TT1

>>566385179
Rance is a decent man

>>566388229
>>566388053
Funny that Shizuka becomes world famous as Rance's mistress

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>game introduces 10/10 jimiko
>makes her too dumb
>ruins her perfect jimiko aesthetics with a slutty glassesless outfit
>sex scene jumps into the middle of the action, skipping the set up and foreplay
I'll never forgive Alicesoft for this.

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>>566377996
How about now?
https://catbox.moe/heibrn.jpg
https://catbox.moe/82zxvr.jpg
Also, people unironically discussing what happens in part 2 is making me a tad bit sad

>404'd immediately
kekypow

Oh I named the files incorrectly
https://files.catbox.moe/heibrn.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/82zxvr.jpg

>>566394595
Menu supposed to be translated if you want 1.04 mtl patch

>>566388053
>The game doesn't make it clear (they just said, they acted like Hirami Lemons replacement but that's it) but Incest Blood/Blood Related can negate the impulse effect of Demon Lord
Something about being very Pure
Source? If true, this is hilarious. Turns out all you need to dull the demon lord's impulses was a healthy amount of incest

>>566396294
https://files.catbox.moe/ztk2w8.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/sqcad6.jpg

Also. It's been a week already. I'm ready to try the guide you made
>>565613079

>>566394595
Ok it's there
あらすじ bottom left

You should be good

>>566397138
https://x.com/ORION_PROJECT/status/1231329669380620288?s=20