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>>566242093hello
once my game receives a playable state (still far away at this point) would uploading it to an expo help or will people just steal my tilesets and stuff?
You told me that my trailer is boring, shit, too long (5 minutes).So I made a shorter, action packed, 2 minute trailer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW4QzwUWn_0Is it good now?Will I become rich now?
ui design makes me lose the will to live
>>566242269Im just going to speak from my lizard brain.Theres no drama.Why am I driving?Would be better if I was running away from somthing.No explosions?Drive on the other side of the road into traffic, see how many people you can dodge.Do no hesi streaks.Make this a 30 second tiktok short with some hardstyle while you weave in traffic.
>>566242269Where is the game?You just showed mechanics (and basic racing).Go olay GTA right now and try to figure out why it is fun. Sure, driving mechanics is a big part of it, but players need something to actually do with those mechanics.
>>566242759This, unironcially made a game that would get mogged by anything made in the 90s
I hate this cycle>Make progress on something>Feel like a fucking million dollars>Next morning, fall into deep depressive state that's only fixed when I make more progressI'm literally stuck in an obsessive loop
>>566243291ai provides no satisfying results nor satisfying process
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>>566243303Better than getting stuck in eternal nothing doing
AI Chads we owe everything to based Gaben - the truest visionary and savior of gaming, dog bless.
Lock on camera drift works for the most part, how're you?
>>566244436i made this game
>>566244436I like seeing your progress anon. Its really starting to shape up.
>>566244591Thank you!
>>566244421>Donate 20 million dollars to open AI>Advise them for years>Get into hardware again after the first steam machine failed>Tell people to use AI and that they shouldn't try worry about the consequences, whatever they may be>ready to launch second steam machine>Open AI buys up 50% of the global supply of memory and ruins the launch
>>566243620when your game is actually fun it doesn't matter
>>566244698Don't speak for me, I'm ashamed
>>566244804Gabe sees AI as the next jump in tech; anyone who isn't selfish is thrilled with how AI is going.
i am only interested in 1 type of game. multiplayer complex systems game. best example is Space Station 13. it has to either be 2d topdown or 3d first person only. preferably 3d first person only but those are very rare.
>>566245175and somehow, despite 120,000+ games on steam, only like 20 of these have ever been made.
>>566244804>checks Bank of Steam for it's take on thisall according to keikaku momentthere's no actual business reason to get into hardware for them, the BoS reason though is to trick more people into leaving money in their Steam wallets.... which is what anyone wanting to purchase any hardware is required to do to be in their new queue system which was enacted because of "supply issues".
Yesterday I ate donuts to celebrate finishing the tutorial after 8 days (100% time overrun), and then I spent the rest of the day working on a couple of edge cases. Serves me right for celebrating too soon. I'm now leaning toward not having the tutorial at all, and instead having a simple explanation of controls and letting the player figure it out. It was good enough for my previous games.The next few days I'll be working on some belated bugfix updates for said games.143 days left until I need to have a job. I owe 15 hours to my game.
>>566242520Good insight.>Drive on the other side of the road into traffic, see how many people you can dodge.ok>Do no hesi streaks.What?>Make this a 30 second tiktok short with some hardstyle while you weave in traffic.I already made some shortshttps://www.youtube.com/@Krzysztof-c3b8s/shortsBut your idea to drive on the wrong side of highway is good.I could also drive with truck and destroy cars.I could add police and make police chases.>>566242759No game yet.GTA? I planned this as GTA at first but I want to downscale into racing+highway game, then I want a sequel like a GTA with cities and missions.
Do you participate in thev3expo.com ?Am I supposed to send only a trailer OR 10 sec clip or BOTH? I have sent both. Is this illegal? Do I need a lawyer now?
how much does it cost to commission art assets? suppose its a low fidelity 3D game, with maps, props, weapons, characters. is it worth trudging through months of blender to do this myself for a meh result, or should i just fork up a few thousand and focus on the programming/design side of things? this shit took me like 2 hours. id love to get something similar to peripeteia but i feel like a moron at every stage after the geometry modelling
>>566245910imagine if every movie where ak47 is on screen they made one from scratch instead of just buying a prop
>>566194871Turns out most anons can't tell what's going to do well. I don't like giving feedback on demo day because they don't want to hear the truth. If you are hellbent on finishing and shipping a game that was doomed from the start and nobody could stop you then that's on you. It's good to be able to dedicate yourself to a project and take it across the finish line but I really wish you guys spent more time prototyping and figuring out what sort of games make sense to make for you.
>>566245910You might consider buying/pirating synty models and texturing them yourself.
>>566245609nta but I wouldn't wait to work up to a more interesting game. if you have ideas to make the game more fun and compelling and "viral" you should add them yesterday
>>566246041obviously modelling is faster and you can re-use the same asset. also the art style needs to be consistent between assets, risky if you need to change artists for whatever reason.
>>566246324The reason is that "GTA" game, even 2D, takes a lot of time and effort to finish. Even GTA 1 was made by a big team. This is why I want smaller game but with some "GTA" features, this is why I keep the highway mode in game. Maybe I will add cops and some shit to do on the highway, but I don't want cities and missions in this game...I need to earn some cash on first game so the second game ("GTA" game) can be made with more than one person, I need to outsource some shit, graphic artists etc.
>>566245910With each one you make it will get easier. 2 hours doesn't even sound that bad though it is clearly unfinished. Could work for a top down game but not an fps. Making 3d games is a lot of work. It comes down to the question of do you wanna do that work yourself or pay someone else to do it for you. It is not cheap.
>>566246396the ak47 is so common that you can get it in any level of detail. don't hold yourself to standards that big studios don't hold themselves to. you'll have all the time to commission all models to be perfectly consistent when you pass 50k wishlists.
Figuring out how to make my game look graphically acceptable is actually harder than coding it. It's all placeholder assets right now.
>>566245883v3expo has about 4k views each edition. Is that much?
>>566242254>>566242254>>566242254
>>566247874For example this is what my game looks like right now. Completely indecipherable placeholder assets that nobody can even tell what's going on, despite the code already having quite advanced systems. First, it's fully multiplayer, and those objects with wireframes around them are pilotable motherships that can carry many players inside them while moving, and those other objects are space stations and a "biodome" terrain, each having NPCs with varying behaviors like hostile, fleeing, wander, etc. Typical first person combat. Ability creator. Item creator.
>>566247874it is always the hard part unless you're an experienced artist with multiple games behind you
>>566246167It's not most anons, it's most people. And people in general. As another anon said, if you were good enough to get a 60% good stocks, u'll be a millionaire in no time.I give out my pure unfiltered (maybe shitty) opinion on dd because it's also a good training for myself. You can see a shitty game, and think it's shitty for a number of reasons... But sitting down and write up a concise statement of the hows and whys of your opinion does take time and effortAlso there is big difference when you are judging a game the dev is making to fuck around and build up skills, and a game he wanna sell and escape the wagecage
>>566245609>https://www.youtube.com/@Krzysztof-c3b8s/shortsMore lizard brainwhats with the really awkward name at the bottom?No music?No memes?Didn't turn on the police light onceGod is the engine sound boring, i want to hear the pop of an exhaustDo we just drive around for hours and somtimes get hit?Aghhh the green grass is annoying my eyesThings dont even fall off the car when you get hitYou dont drive any slower and your engine does not sound differentLeak petrol on the ground, explode already damnI want to hear cops on the phone as we chase someone. I want choppers to fly by as we see a suspectI want to see a news overlay as I weave through traffic and escape the policeI want to feel like a demon.No one is honking as i put them and their family in mortal danger? NFS did this why not this game>No hesigetting as close as possible to other cars as you weave by through traffic
>>566248212The end goal is to create almost a ripoff of Warhammer 40K's "The Warp" including "Voidships" to travel through it. "Space" settings are so tired and lame, The Warp is an upgrade to "space" in every way.
>>566245883You get one or the other
>>566244340As someone who’s experienced both, this is decidedly worse
>>566248518>whats with the really awkward name at the bottom?Destructor2D? It's the name of the game, I want people to see it so they come to steam page and wishlist.>No music?I don't know where to get music with public domain license. The one I use for trailer requires attribution somewhere. Maybe I could just paste attribution in description of the shorts video?>No memes?On a video? Should I put?>Didn't turn on the police light onceNot implemented yet, will implement.>Do we just drive around for hours and somtimes get hit?In a highway mode, yes. What gameplay should I add to highway mode?>Aghhh the green grass is annoying my eyesYes need to add some other shit, the map is empty.>Things dont even fall off the car when you get hit>You dont drive any slower and your engine does not sound different>Leak petrol on the ground, explode already damn>I want to hear cops on the phone as we chase someone.>I want choppers to fly by as we see a suspect>I want to see a news overlay as I weave through traffic and escape the police>I want to feel like a demon.ok
>>566249353I'm gonna use your gameplay clip not the trailer alright?
>>566249507>I'm gonna use your gameplay clip not the trailer alright?No! I want the trailer. I made 2 minute trailer specially for the expo! I had 5 minute trailer and worked hard on 2 minute trailer.I though you are supposed to submit trailer and the clip.
>>566249957NTA but if it's that "short" trailer you have on your YouTube that's a hard watch right now because it's just two minutes of some car crashing into things from like 50 feet in the air. The game is a little under baked at the moment and you'd want to make a good first impression.
>>566249353My nigga its a youtube short use whatever music you like no one will care. As long as its not a trailer.Remove the Destructor2D its goofy. Maybe at the end, maybe in the comments but remove it from the screen its just harming the viewing experience.If you want to promote a game through shorts and videos I dont want to actually see your game. I want to be entertained and then maybe ill see the game.The gameplay looks too boring for my adhd zoomer mind. >In a highway mode, yes. What gameplay should I add to highway mode?No hesi, that is the most popular kind of gameplay for this type of map.Add drunk driving. Let me ride a tank and flattern a family of five in their station wagon, whilst cops try to stop me.Add screen effects when i actually reach higher speeds.I want to be a menace to my fellow citizens.
>>566250248Yes but the v3expo is only once per year. I would prefer to have people watch this trailer even if it has flaws. One year later it will be too late, the game might already ship to Early Access.
>>566250565Brother pay someone to make you a better trailer then this is ass
>>566250951>>566243291these are bloody beautifulnever stop make them
>>566250257>My nigga its a youtube short use whatever music you like no one will care. As long as its not a trailer.okay gonna steal some music, but with free to use license>Remove the Destructor2D its goofy. Maybe at the end, maybe in the comments but remove it from the screen its just harming the viewing experience.>If you want to promote a game through shorts and videos I dont want to actually see your game. I want to be entertained and then maybe ill see the game.Right, I should put it only at the end of video. But I already prepared many shorts with the logo on the video, I will have to upload them first. New shorts I will make with the logo only at the end.>The gameplay looks too boring for my adhd zoomer mind. I am old and I designed the game for myself first, not audience and not zoomers. But I can add more exciting game modes.>No hesi, that is the most popular kind of gameplay for this type of map.I didn't know, I don't play video games.>Let me ride a tank and flattern a family of five in their station wagon, whilst cops try to stop me.I will consider this. But remember there is no city in the game, only highway. Will it be fine on highway?>Add screen effects when i actually reach higher speeds.Camera shaking? Or else?
>>566250951The other pirate should be /gedg/
Done
>>566250651Wtf? Where'd you get this picture of me?
>>566251285Go on tiktok search up "BP" music.Then make a meme edit about dodging 25 max cars.or somthing else. make sure to include 25 max somehow.Instant millionaire.
>>566251734AI Chads just keep winning
You are sending a gameplay clip or a trailer to the show right? Here's what you can expect from us right now (plus more!): https://youtu.be/zcJqrrPSaNc You can send your gameplay clips here: https://forms.gle/aS3ej9UkHY6BwtCj9 Or send your trailers here: https://forms.gle/LusfAPZSakxZcEPSA by May 23rd.
Is AI good enough to produce sound effects & music yet?
>>566252349only if you got the money to pay, you aren't poor right?
>>566252315Trailer song? I like the vibes here
>>566252349Been good enough for a while. Yasuke Simulator had an AI generated soundtrack and its sitting at 97% positive with 1900 reviews.
>>566252527If you have to pay, how is it better than just purchasing the sound effects?
>>566252679one is made especially for your game, the other isn't
>>566252580Which AI can I use then?And is it free? Yeah I'm poor.
>>566252349for sound effects its goodthe music is produces is pure slop imo, but if its just background music maybe nobody will care
>>566252580>Yasuke Simulator had an AI generated soundtrack and its sitting at 97% positive with 1900 reviews.
I gotta do some real life shit but I really don't wanna bother. I have already been putting it off a couple days. I wish I could hide away in my apartment deving all the time.
>>566252315I sent both by accident. I don't understand English.Do you send email if you picked the game to be in the expo?
>>566252580meme games pop off if they gain traction on social mediapih would be hardstuck 7 reviews 40% positive if the developer wasn't spamming videos
>>566252528Emilia by Rcavenue>>566253783I'll respond to you with an email (since that's what you sent) when I actually download it
>>566253952Thanks, I sent as Uncle btw.
>upload trailer to youtube>0 views>upload some shitty youtube shorts>thousands of views>check stats>it's all third world jungle monkey asians on their mobile phones>they don't even visit the steam pageit's over
i only have fun with gamedev when i'm creating assets or building new systemsactually finishing games is hard ass boring ass stressful ass navy seal discipline required ass workthe first 20% of a project is infinitely more enjoyable than the remaining 80%
>>566254108link?
>>566254108thousands of views on shortform content is nothing, thirdies are the seeding round for your videos to see if they should be pushed to westernersgotta optimize your content for higher retentionstudy this guy to learn better video formulation strategieshttps://www.youtube.com/@zackdfilms/shorts
>>566254262>link?https://studio.youtube.com/Here are the stats!
>>566254441thanks, I got aids from looking at the thumbnails on that page
>>566254451screenshot the stats twin
>>566248303I've only spend 3 or so days on this project give me a critique please
>>566254542if it works it worksstudy the foundational concepts and expand upon them if you want better strategies to existstudy this guy if you want more direct indie dev exampleshttps://www.youtube.com/@Vedinad/shortslong story short there's no way to promote your game on social media without giving in to the slop algorithms, your only other option is to slowly build a discord community by sending keys to content creators who play similar games, metal garden did this
>>566254062All right and just so we're on the same page You're the guy that sent in the car game right? The top down car game?
>>566254834Yeah
>>566254441>thousands of views on shortform content is nothing, thirdies are the seeding round for your videos to see if they should be pushed to westernersI was happy that there are some views until I saw it's all from monkeys. Not even second world like brazilians but worse.>gotta optimize your content for higher retentionI will learn.But I am posting gameplay videos from my game. Most short/tiktoks are not about video games.>>566254551>screenshot the stats twinNo, you first.
>>566254968>brazilians>not monkeys????
Why haven't you done the moral thing and restricted sale of your game in ruZZia yet?
>>566254834No.>>566254873Troll.
>>566255108if anything Id restrict my sales to israel
>>566254968>I am posting gameplay videos from my gamethis is difficult, i suggest trying to put a "hook" at the start of the video, give the viewer context of the upcoming content so they have something to look forward toit's very hard for people to watch videos without understanding what's next, people need something explicit to look forward to or they'll scroll to the next videomr beast mastered this technique, despite his videos being lowest common denominator slop he is excellent at formulating his content for high retention rates, he proposes something interesting and then simply makes you wait for it to happenthe foundation of content retention from what i've seen is the proposition of inevitable rewardas for the specific details of the content, exactly what you'll put in your video to make people care, that depends entirely on your gamebut the basis of it is, as early as possible, conjuring the desire in the viewer's mind for them to eventually witness something interesting in your videoview this guy's shorts and sort by popular, his best videos did a great job of thishttps://www.youtube.com/@BeanJuiceStudios/shorts
>>566255108making your game cost more in shekelstan is pretty based
>>566255483Youtube is banned in my country, can you post it here instead?
>>566255146Then what game did you submit anon?
>>566255612https://streamable.com/g6raqr
>>566255217>if anything Id restrict my sales to israelIf you will boycott Israel then Cuckmerica will ban your product in Cuckmerica, they will also ban you from their platforms.I am not joking, you can find info about this online.>>566255483>this is difficult, i suggest trying to put a "hook" at the start of the video, give the viewer context of the upcoming content so they have something to look forward toCould be a text of what is going to happen?
>>5662557322.1m views on shorts, 79k likes, 363 commentshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3198680/Puttler/>>566255863>Could be a text of what is going to happen?yes, this actually works better than spoken words because reading is faster than listeningmost popular indie promo videos i've seen start off with some sort of text context illustrating the reason the viewer would be interested in the contentthere are examples of popular videos that did not do this but you basically have 3-5 seconds at the start of each video to grab attention before people scroll away, text is the most efficient method of communicating this proposition
despite these theories, success is still never guaranteedif you want money your best bet is getting a job and accepting the fact you're a wageslave like the rest of the population
>>566256207If you use AI well you will succeed, period.
>>566256263>Succeed >Less than 100 reviews Lol. Lmao even
>>566256207>if you want money your best bet is getting a job and accepting the fact you're a wageslave like the rest of the populationI steal money from the gubmint and live in parents house, I don't need to work. So I might just make a game in free time, why not?
>>566256424it is a seed of hope
>>566256498i don't have this option, no welfare, i wish you success
>>566256207I'm unemployable so I have no choice
>>566256639Are you American?
>>566256863he's r*ssian
>>566252315buy another ad
>>566257264Don't worry I got two more queued up for this weekend.
>>566254108how are you getting 0 views on a trailer? it should be your most viewed because it picks up all the passive views from your store page's video embed.
>>566257393gonna have to upgrade the meme to "buy a dozen ads" for special boys like you
So I looked at Godot a bit and did the dodge the creeps mini tutorial.I understand what's going on with the code, but I couldn't replicate it on my own because I have no idea what keys and node specific functions exist in godot.Is there some way in godot itself how to check what's available on a node type? I guess it would be good to learn about the common nodes as the next step, any good projects or resources for that?
>>566257393stop bypassing my adblock
>>566257554I am talking about youtube. On steam, probably some people did watch the trailer.
>>566247983Send me your tilesets, I'll keep it safe.
What I don't understand is why /agdg/ believes raising the Steam fee is gonna fix Steam. It wont, because the promotion algorithm is shit and only promotes the same highest earning 50 games on rotation. The user navigation on the store is also shit, and trying to find games in a genre you like is impossible because the UX is so shit and janky. Plus, the sloppening has already happened, so the store is already ruined in that regard.It's almost as if anons here do not want to see the underlying issue and are only trying to treat the symptoms.
>>566257665By the time the show airs I probably will have bought about that many. Better make it two dozen then
>>566256263>>566256516why haven't you made a game with AI then?
>>566257836see people think Apple's walled garden is more insidious but i think objectively Steam's metrics blackhole is far far worse. you can send metrics in but they will take any measure possible to prevent metrics leaking out.... literally every other storepage will just embed a video and let you keep your views.
>>566254647Dud games need to be played.From that webm I don't even understand if your xcom squad is moving on their own or you are inputting commands.My evergreen tip is to think what's fun about your game, and what makes it different.
>>566258510>Steam's metrics blackhole is far far worse. you can send metrics in but they will take any measure possible to prevent metrics leaking out.... literally every other storepage will just embed a video and let you keep your views.why would valve gabencunt do this? are they trying to compete with a video hosting site? for what purpose?
>>566258404>trying to find games in a genre you like is impossible because the UX is so shit and jankyAlright, what do you expect then?
>>566258404i've seen them spit out the near exact same remedy hundreds of times over the last decade. you'd think at some point they'd get wise to the fact that there's been no attempt to fix the problem because it's not considered a problem by the policy makers.
>>566258404The goal with increasing the fee is to effectively ban turd worlders from submitting games. There's no reason to allow them on the platform.The current slop in steam is nothing compared to the upcoming wave of AI slop.>>566258838Nta but I'd expect tags to mean something. Devs tag their games in nonsense ways which makes them largely useless when searching for games. Honestly steam should lower the visibility of a poorly tagged game and prompt the dev to fix those tags.
>>566258816>for what purpose?*consults the oracle*this theory exists because it literally every problem fits snugly into the theories answer.
>566258510>566258816>566259000>nogam replying to himself againlmao
>>566258609They are moving by themself but if that not obvious perhaps theres more i could do
>zukjeet now quotes the posts instead of replying to them directly to avoid getting humiliated again
>>566259119this you?
>>566256424Can I see your game with more than 100 Mr. Lud?
>>566258510>and let you keep your views.Why do you even care about that? Are you grasping for the potential ad revenue from your game's trailer? Jesus christ you people are low.
>>566258979>The goal with increasing the fee is to effectively ban turd worlders from submitting games. There's no reason to allow them on the platform.and how is this going to fix the deluge of shit ALREADY on the platform? how is it going to fix the dogshit algorithm and the storefront UI making it deliberately impossible to find the games you want? hardly anyone searches for games on steam itself>Honestly steam should lower the visibility of a poorly tagged game and prompt the dev to fix those tags.either you're a disingenous shill or a genuine retard. are you not aware that steam users can also vandalize the tags of a game?
If you're art fag, you can make a successful game very easily.
>566259219>same reaction every timelmao
>>566259525how?
>>566258505every single game i have ever worked on used 100% ai generated code
>>566259439less slop in new releases = more organic discovery
>>566258510>>566258816>>566259000and to state this even more plainly (for precisely >>566259119 who clearly wants to understand it and make it broadly known)by taking over video deployment for their store, they prevent devs paying $100 to get whatever minimal amount of steam users browse new products from benefiting the views (and thus metrics and thus algorithm support for futher views) to direct;y prevent contributing to any virtuous cycle for their products so that they do not personally contribute to their store's products having middleing outcomes, anything that isn't a massive success is more profitable to them as a complete flop. server costs of running their own youtube is paid for by each game that doesn't reach it's monthly threshold or direct rrecoup threshold.
>>566260078>more organic discoveryhow exactly do you imagine that, when the algorithm already prefers already established titles? the discovery queue won't show you a game that is older than 5 months unless it made like a trillion dollars. and browsing the store outside of the DQ is even worse because most of the "top spots" are also only for the top earning games, not new releases.the newest releases tab is purposefully hidden away and an ass to get to. valve won't change that shit even if they raise the entrance fee
>>566259396>why do you even care about your game getting attention?it's the same reason Valve pays you 2cents per post, attention underpins the entire market.no one can give money to something they don't know exists.
>>566260345more people scrolling new releases because there's less garbage cluttering it up
>gamedev youtuber starts saying you need to have daily prayer time and a build a direct connection to god to stop doomscrolling and make progress
>>566260471you really know nothing about UX design and/or are incredibly retarded
>>566260442Why would Valve want their own service to work independently from other services like Youtube, which are outside their control and could potentially be slow or down for certain people?Think googs, think. Of all the things you've complained about, whining about Steam having their own videos instead of linking to youtube this is by far the most retarded I've seen. You're actually becoming more senile with each passing day, what a sad state of affairs for a game developer who was in aggy during the golden age.
>>566260627that's how people used to find new games
>>566260671>whining about Steam having their own videos instead of linking to youtube this is by far the most retarded I've seen
Is the anon still making the Ancient Greek political sim / battle commander game with DOS graphics? That was kino
>>566260627NTA but that's literally what I do every day, I open up steam and I look at New Releases, but only at the ones shown on the first page, I don't dig further than that. It's how I found a lot of hidden gems.
>>566260671name a single way that steam lets activity escape to other platforms in the same way that other platforms send activity to steam and i'll reconsider my "metrics blackhole" statement
>>566259525How?
>>566257742look up the node type in the godot docs. in general the godot docs are excellent
>>566260903>anecdotal evidencedo you understand that you are an incredibly small minority of steam users? or gamers in general? the overwhelming majority of gamers do not do this.
>>566260139>>566260345you're right, gogem. but do you believe any other billionaire would do a better job than gaben - or, worse yet, do you believe things would be better if two or more billionaires were competing instead of it being a monopoly?honest questions
>>566260835no, he project hopped to a game set in Mycenaean Greece with ZX Spectrum graphics
>>566261009>name a single way that steam lets activity escape to other platforms in the same way that other platforms send activity to steam and i'll reconsider my "metrics blackhole" statementSure, here you go.
>>566259821Do the Blizzard way.1) Take a popular game2) Polish it until it looks better than the original3) Dumb down & casualize the mechanicNow sell million copies.
>watch branno's vid on his flop>he fails to identify that the art is what turns away 99.999% of potential customers how can he be blind to it to that extent? this game could have done decently if it had some art that sold the gameplay bumping into blocks to destroy them is also a choice that's uhh maybe not something I would have done
>>566261292Part of the reason why it works is because all of these get also ported to consoles where most of the casual/gamer dad types who will play it all. As an indie solo dev you're not getting into the console market.
>competition is worse than a monopolyholy fuck this place is absolutely moronic. i wouldn't be surprised if you fags were communists or something as well.
>>566259949>every single game i have ever worked on>i have ever worked onnice choice of words to hide that you have never released anything or if you did it flopped big time
>>566261174you don't need the majority to do it for it to be useful to you as a developer
>>566261242>tiny icons that are deliberately tucked far away from the purchase button, ensuring that very few users actually notice these tabsneed i remind you that valve fought tooth and nail to curb the practice of indie devs putting visible discord/xitter links in the description of their games?
>>566261582what do you hope to accomplish by posting this
>>566261192we can just stop making billionaires (parasites) that is an option.
>>566261192it is practically a miracle that gaben isn't outright malicious towards gamers or devs being in the position that he is with the wealth that he possesses things could be better but they could be so much worse
So does nobody post progress here anymore? Just three guys arguing about AI?Demo Day just ended and I barely see anyone actually discussing games or progress
>>566261787are you the same retard as this one? >>566260702because you clearly fundamentally misunderstand the problem, or you are a disingenous shill. i don't know which one is worse.
>>566261242why you got the twitter link twice? was there an itch link or something on visit the website they insisted you remove?
>>566261859what do you hope to accomplish by repeatedly posting the same picture of the same 100% AI driven development game that got 50 reviews and looks like total shitit really isn't the argument in favor of AI that you think it is
people used to browse new releases until it was flooded with slop
>>566261895i mean, yeah, we could, but they're already in power and rushing to consolidate it even morei root for the world but man shits tough
>>566259525hoW?
>>566262040no I'm a different retard but also one who's found some great games through randomly browsing steam and it would be a lot more enjoyable to do so if the amount of slop was cut down it might be a small subset of users who do it but those sorts of people are arguably ones who are more likely to buy games which makes them more valuable than the average user who only looks at the front page and only buys what his favorite games media or youtuber tells him to buy
>>566261983I have no progress, in the last days I didn't work on game but tried to market Steam coming soon page, but failed.Do I need to improve my product and try to market it again?
>>566262415relying on an exceedingly small minority of users that have an even worse purchasing power than the majority is not the smartest of strategies
>>566262236the billionaire class (who have the strongest class solidarity of all, they meetup regularly for bonding and scheming) said very plainly to us what their goals are. they are powerful but also retarded enough to just say this shit. if we can just be less retarded than and stay aware of what their goals are we can quite easily crab them instead of one another. a parasite without a host is just dead.
larp
Ludstatus?
>>566262071Did I name a single way that lets activity escape to other platforms? Yes or no? Are you going to reconsider your "statement"? Of course not, kek. Someone needs to put this senile old man in a retirement home.>>566261832>tiny icons that are deliberately tucked far away from the purchase buttonYeah cause people only look at the purchase button, they don't scroll down to read reviews. Retard.You don't have to "remind me anything" or bring up other unrelated topics, does this answer the question googs asked, yes or no?
>>566262807as an indie dev you're not making games for the majority
>>566262954im reconsidering, but first what was originally in the [Visit the Website] link?
>>566263043he's making the next minecraft bro
>>566261983I've been working on boring stuff I'm afraid. Nothing fun to show off yet >_<
>>566262820you know what you're totally right but you know you have the power to make things better for everyone if you took it upon yourself to dispose of some of those parasites
>>566261473>As an indie solo dev you're not getting into the console marketRetard bro...
>>566263215Elaborate.
>>566262954>Yeah cause people only look at the purchase button, they don't scroll down to read reviewsi get that in india they don't have good UX courses but there is a reason why all websites have all their buttons and widgets as bright, noticable and big as possible.
>>566263335nice
>>566263451Thanks fellow Chad.
>>566263084That's really irrelevant, but fine I'll answer. Hover over "Visit the Website" and then hover over "X". You'll notice the first one is actually a "twitter" URL (which was there originally) and the second one is an "X" url. You have games on steam, so you should know this by now, but if you want to have the special "X" icon on your social links, you need to choose it from the list when adding it. Twitter is no longer there once Elon bought it, and it's been replaced with X. >>566263284>every single button on every single page has equal importance, that's why they all need to be bright and colorful Not even Youtube or Twitter does this you retard, who are you kidding.
Blue Prince dev
>>566263043arguably """indie""" devs target the majority while AAA devs target a minority of whales.and it makes sense because those whales are the ones expecting an ever increasing technical achievement for the 2-3 genres of the exact same game they buy over and over.whereas the majority of people who arent "gamers" are open to novel experiences.
Luddites and vibecoders belong to the same camp. The true Chads architecture and write the low level details themselves and delegate the boring, manual and tedious tasks to AI.
>>566263692my steam game sold 500 copies, how about yours?
>>566259000This isn't some conspiracy, this is how every organization on earth works. The middleman gambles with your deposits.
>>566263786gogem you forgot to take your meds
>hadn't worked on my game for a month>it was a mess>last night I fixed the issues that were making me hate the project>faith restoredMaybe we're all gonna make it after all.
>>566263272Publisher is a thing.
>>566263806How long have you worked on it? Remember that most success stories in this general started with a flop >Cosmic Call -> Wasteland Bites >Dungeon Watches ->Guns and Nuns There's also Marnix finally hitting gold after several failed attempts.
>>566264424>success>Guns and Nunslol
>>566264498500+ reviews seems successful. What would you consider a success?
>>566264552Risk of Rain
>>566264595Wow. Go big or go home with you, huh? What motivates you to aim so high?
How many views do you have on steam page, youtube videos, how many wishlists on steam?
>>566264424>There's also Marnix finally hitting gold after several failed attempts.The only gold they have is the color of their review score
>>566264695I want to be a big shot like Hopoo, but I will not sellout like him.
>>566264779That's a large goal. I believe in you. Work hard, and you can accomplish it. Good luck.
Et voila
>>566264731kek
>>566265003I made this
someone on twitter wants to make me a moba map for free
>>566264731check againhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3907940/MMO98/
>>566265159nice
>>566263924i am certain that it is not legal to fuck around with escrow funds as a private company although which exact law is being broken im not sure....something something fiduciary duty, breach of trust, something in corporate law that all the courts of Delaware know fully.cryptobro rugpullers wouldn't be on FBI watchlists if it were legal.
>>566261983I ran out of money so I'm occupied with securing additional resources to fund the progress of my game.
how can I find team members?were a 2 man team, one coder, I do the art, marketing, creative aspects and were going to hire someone for the music when were nearly finished.ideally we'd have another coder, because our current coder is kind of slow at times.
>>566264695I want gaben to send me chocolates at christmas.There is a tipping-point where Steam considers your game worth promoting, falling short of that critical point but still claiming that you 'succeeded' is cope. Maybe the amount of money you get from a 300 review game is life changing in the third world, but you can live in Iraq and still afford to have a house and a family while being a taxi driver. Here in the west you have to be in the top 10% of earners to afford to buy a basic family home, we have real first world problems that can only be solved with big money and that means being successful enough on Steam where Steam itself decides your game is worth showing to people on the platform. 300 reviews is just some nice bonus spending money, it's not even enough to live on for long enough to make another game.
>>566265382Valve has an army of professional elite accountants and lawyers that figure out ways to do it "legally".
>>566243291
>>566265338Weird, it shows as mixed on their developer page
>>566265861ludthief
Im pretty sure my game will be a success if we get to release it as I envisioned. It has all the ingredients for success.Also my "g" key doesnt work properly anymore..
>>566265931We used to steal art. And it was art.Nowadays clankers steal art, churn it through a meatgrinder into an indistinguishable paste and pretend to call the result "art".
>>566250651thank god I kept most of my hair
>>566265674yeah i dont think it's legal even with the help of their lawyers which is why they have no interest in becoming a public company (and if the shills views on the matter can be considered a reflection of their views, are actively hostile towards the prospect of going public).there's alof of benefits to a public company (as all of the founders being benefactors of microsoft know full well) but the downside would be having to open up their financials to public scrutiny, big problem for a company that is just a collection of scams taped together.
>>566265650>300 reviews is just some nice bonus spending money, it's not even enough to live on for long enough to make another game.The solution is to steal gubmint money, investing in crypto and stock markets, make money in scammy ways while spending little.Then you can make a game as a hobby or do whatever else you want.
>waaah steam only pushes succesful gamesThis is what 0 marketing does to a motherfucker
>>566266124The downside of going public is that you turn the product into some dogshit just ramp up quarterly reports to satisfy the share holders. Once you go public, your product just goes downhill so we'd have even worse predatory practices on Steam.
>>566266138>This is what 0 marketing does to a motherfuckerHow to do marketing? My trailer on youtube has 0 views.
>>566265650If money is so important to you, why choose to make games? Isn't indie dev one of the least profitable pursuits? It only makes sense to make games if you love making games. There are much better ways to get rich, in my opinion.
>>566266024I hope to god this is ironic
>(and if the shills views on the matter can be considered a reflection of their views, are actively hostile towards the prospect of going public)yeah see like this shill >>566266263 claiming the most predatory game store could somehow get worse if they were legally mandated to show their financials as public companies are
>>566266308>There are much better ways to get rich, in my opinion.Such as? These days the only way to get rich is pretty much to be rich in the first place. Money makes money. Otherwise only things are like indie gaming, scamming people, doing degenerate Kick shit for social media etc.
>>566265993>Im pretty sure my game will be a success if we get to release it as I envisioned.See that's the problem. You might realize that the way you envisioned the game requires you to spend 10 years of manwork on it, which you can't afford, so you have to compromise on some points. Sometimes more than you can bear. And the end result is a bad game. And you know it's a bad game, no amount of feedback can help you because you know exactly all its flaws and how you pretty much had to cut off away limbs and important parts of its body just to fit it through the release door.
>>566266529You’re kinda proving his point desu. A lot of gamedevs tunnel vision so hard on “make game -> get rich” that they never look at literally any other skill with better risk/reward. If your goal is stable money, there’s boring shit like software dev, enterprise IT, cybersecurity, trades, CAD, finance, sales, whatever. None of those have the “0 income for 4 years then pray Steam algorithm notices you” problem. Indie games are basically like trying to become a musician or streamer now: survivorship bias everywhere. Doesn’t mean don’t make games, just don’t pretend it’s the rational wealth-maxxing path unless you’re already cracked at marketing or got lucky timing.
>>566266320Sorry, son, your NFT just got copy-pasted.
>>566266690its a doable project thougheverbeiti dont think we'll have to cut off anything, i tried to keep it as simple as possible. but I do have more complicated DLCs planned, that may or may not happen in my lifetime
my game's fun!
Anyone else just rub the back of their penis head with a few fingers while flaccid while gamedevving 24/7?I like being constantly stimmed and making proggers at the same time.
>>566266768Fuck off to reddit you actually subhuman
>>566266263reminder that apple and google are public companys and the actual largest software stores in the market and set the industry standard for the store's cut which they both have at 15%
>>566266723>If your goal is stable money, there’s boring shit like software dev, enterprise IT, cybersecurity, trades, CAD, finance, sales, whatever.Not in the current job market unless you can get a job through means of nepotism which likely means that you already have sufficient funds. The only job here that actually really could be a path to making stable good income for anyone is trades/blue collar work but you will basically work yourself to death and not feel like being alive.
>>566266308>Isn't indie dev one of the least profitable pursuits?It doesn't really matter at this point, I'm a minimalist lifer and during covid my rent went up 30% and my food expenses doubled while my salary increased a total of 10%. If you're being devalued out of existing might as well do something that's fun and doesn't eat away your years for nothing.
>>566266872People online massively overdoomer the job market. Yeah it sucks compared to 2019 and entry level white collar is oversaturated as hell, but acting like every programmer/accountant/IT guy only got there through nepotism is cope too. The difference is those fields at least have an actual salary floor and predictable progression instead of the Steam casino where you can spend 5 years making $800 total. Trades absolutely wreck your body if you’re doing hardcore physical labor forever, but so does sitting in a chair stressmaxxing over wishlists and algorithm updates until 3 AM. Most people who actually get financially stable do it through boring incremental gains, not hitting jackpot careers.
>>566266304Scrap that first trailer you made its probably shit, make a trailer that displays your game' hooks and snipe down youtubers that might like your game because they play games adjacent to yours and send them the trailer.
>>566266820Just buy a flat micro chastity cage and attach a vibrator to it
>>566266872Exactly, nothing legal is worth anything today. DO NOT WORK!It's better to scam or do illegal shit and go to prison for one year while keeping the scammed money. And you might not even go to prison.
>>566266132>just act like a thirdworld welfare parasite and then you can make games until one day the money runs out and you get a right-wing government that deports you or sends you to a work camp!No thanks Rajesh.Also wagiedevs out-dev neetdevs because neetdevs spend most of their time and energy staving off the crushing depression induced by their low social status and lack of romantic prospects.>>566266308I already make money with my well-paying job. I just have a clear idea of what being successful on Steam actually involves.
>>566267041Not a big fan of vibrators. Is the chastity cage still worth it, though? What material?
>>566266961>People online massively overdoomer the job market.I've been unemployed since November and cannot get a single job offer since despite having worked in software dev for over 9 years. The job market is fucked. I even tried to apply to a bunch of retail jobs in my area as a last resort and got ghosted by almost all of them except one. The job market is brutal.>but acting like every programmer/accountant/IT guy only got there through nepotism is cope too.I'm not saying that they got into it through nepotism, I'm saying that the only way to get in *right* now is. People who got into these jobs through normal means did so before the job market got fucked. Likely pre-covid.
nofap will save you
>>566266304A video on youtube isn't marketing bro. Who do you think that video is being shown to? Have you actually paid to have your game in front of anyone? Have you made any click-bait videos on tiktok or youtube shorts? That's "marketing".
>>566267046Why is he moonwalking towards the exit?
>>566267075>Exactly, nothing legal is worth anything today. DO NOT WORK!When >90% of jobs pay below the minimum required to cover rent, bills, food and other basic expenses and the remaining jobs are unavailable to most people unless you know someone to get you a job, then yes, why would working be worth it?Like realistically, what's your occupation? How much do you make? What are your monthly basic expenses (rent, bills, food, gas, payments, clothes, hygiene products etc)?
>>5662671539 years experience and still getting filtered is exactly why people are blackpilled on tech right now, so I get it. But I still think “only nepotism works now” is overstating it. What happened is the industry went from infinite zero-interest-rate hiring to companies realizing they overhired, so now everybody from juniors to seniors is dogpiling the same openings. Retail ghosting tech workers is also a meme at this point because managers assume you’ll instantly leave. The market’s bad, but bad markets aren’t permanent. The bigger issue is that a lot of people built their worldview around “learn to code = guaranteed middle class forever” and now they’re finding out software is just another cyclical industry, not some protected class.
>>566267246He threesixted then walked out
>>566267143Don't buy one it was a joke. I had a stainless steel flat one when I was caught by the sissy hypno mindvirus. My cock is unironically too big and kept breaking free of the cage though so it didn't work.
Today I have an interview with Ubisoft, any tips?
>>566267536tell them youre ubiquitously soft
>>566266989>Scrap that first trailer you made its probably shit, make a trailer that displays your game' hooks and snipe down youtubers that might like your game because they play games adjacent to yours and send them the trailer.But what will they do with the trailer?>>566267076>and lack of romantic prospects.People that are working also don't have romantic prospects, maybe with prostitutes. The dating market is destroyed just like the job market.
>>566267307>The bigger issue is that a lot of people built their worldview around “learn to code = guaranteed middle class forever” and now they’re finding out software is just another cyclical industry, not some protected class.They built their worldview around 'learn to code' and then imported a billion thirdworlders who also learned to code. The moment we get a non-pozzed right-wing government that kicks out all the brownoids, conditions for workers in every field will improve vastly
this guy let doomer psyops ruin his mindfederal agencies are fucking with your brain bro just get out there and do shit
All you need to get a job at Microsoft is to-I'm not gonna say the joke it's too obvious and you already know the rest.
>>566267536Tell them you hate the toxic players that keep sabotaging their games and we should use AI to replace the players altogether.
>>566267737Even if you believe immigration hurts wages, that still doesn’t magically make indie gamedev a rational backup plan. You’re talking like the choices are “become millionaire indie dev” or “eternal wagie damnation,” when most people who end up okay financially just live normal lives with stable income, realistic expectations, and long-term planning. The whole “get rich and escape neo-serfdom” mindset is what pushes people into ultra-volatile paths in the first place. Making games is fine if you actually enjoy it, but treating Steam like a lottery ticket that’s supposed to save you from modern life is how people end up burning years chasing a jackpot instead of building something sustainable.
>>566265993>Also my "g" key doesnt work properly anymore..If the problem is that the rubber dome is torn you can pop the g and some less essential key out and swap the domes I've been doing this for 10 years and it probably saved me a fortune compared to when I'd just buy a new keyboard
>>566268102Nigga a new keyboard costs like $10-20 how cheap are you?
>>566268319he's probably from a poor country
>>566267206>A video on youtube isn't marketing bro. Who do you think that video is being shown to?Gamers?>Have you actually paid to have your game in front of anyone?No because the game is not for sale, I only collect wishlists, so it would be a waste to spend money on paid ads. I will buy ads when the game is available for buying.>Have you made any click-bait videos on tiktok or youtube shorts?I made shorts with gameplay, but no success.
>>566268380>>566268319I'm from Monaco
>>566267301>Like realistically, what's your occupation? How much do you make? What are your monthly basic expenses (rent, bills, food, gas, payments, clothes, hygiene products etc)?Is that a question?I don't have a job, I take money from the gubmint and I spend less than they give me. But I don't need to rent I live in parents house. If I was homeless I would rent a room in shared apartment.I do not have expenses except food and bills like electricity. I do not buy computers and mobile phones, no cars, no shit. DO NOT CONSUME.
>>566268480Is that a Mexican dish?
>>566268480wtf bro
>>566268715Ok honestly I thought you were just being ironic and pulling my chain when you agreed with me that you shouldn't work, but we're on the same page.
parasitemaxxers getting real uppity round here
>>566267737Remember guys. If we do the one thing I want, all our problems will be fixed and there will be no downsides.
I don't really give a shit about the AI wars but I am curious, is there a single successful game with AI art?
>>566268905>picb-but we do work - on our indie games, right?
>>566269117Why would you care what a worthless communist thinks?
>>566268949if only we could compete with the shadow societies running the world from behind closed doors
>>566269258Tell me about one shadow society
Be humble.
>>566269463Benchod
>>566264552it's 600 reviews and that's like 18k sales (at an average of 30 sales per review) for reference. At 8 bucks for discounts that's like 100k after steam cut. 1 game like this per year is decent in most US states.
>>566269463you say that because you got mogged
>>566269635>100k after steam cutsee >>566264595bro wants to make $100,000,000
>>566269104There are, the same few titles get parroted a few times, and they usually try to deny that they have AI art. Void War is one example.There was a game that released really early on in AI that got 'decent' sales, perhaps because it was unique being one of the first games. Can't remember the name though, it was extremely forgettable.You'll also see some AAA games get mentioned because they've no doubt got AI going on somewhere, since corpos are all trying to push AI into everything regardless of if it helps or not. Usually this AI isn't visible though, unless they fuck up and accidentally leave in placeholders. Civ 7 has AI on loading screens, I believe? It got a lot of backlash, and I wouldn't say the success of a game like that depends on whether or not they use AI.There isn't a single /agdg/ game that we know uses AI and is successful, however.
>>566269635>Copies sold: 16.6k (11.8k - 21.3k)>Gross revenue: $114.1k ($81.3k - $146.9k)That's between $39k USD on the low end and $71k on the high end after both the Gaben tax and the government tax. Also you can't bank on every game you release getting there, some games will be flops even coming from the same dev.
>>566269238>Why would you care what a worthless communist thinks?a-anon I am a communist myself>>566269635You think you can make a game with 600 reviews in one year as a solo dev? And you think you can repeat that every year? And always have a success with no flop? Impossible.
>>566269686>game deletedwhy does every single comic feel like they simply swapped the words "luddite" with "AI user", considering that shit like>lmao I deleted your entire projectis something that only AI does?
>>566270028
alright I know you fuckers lurk herewhats the deal with all the samefagging and seething over Motorslice on /v/
>sit at home making games all day>make 3x federal min wagediogenes-esqueis this not the dream
>>566267425I am not into sissy shit/ gay stuff in general, but I want my pp to feel snug. I'll do some research on stainless steel cock cages, thanks forf the suggestion anon.
Does this look juicy?
gamercattle>"WE LOVE YOUR GAME!"gamercattle after seeing anita sarkeesian in the credits>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I FUCKING HATE YOUR DEI WOKE SJW PIECE OF SHIT GAME!!"just kill them all already
>>56626995916k is one estimation and also it's so far anon, 1 month after release, you need to pull up what the game will do for more sales. probably looking at 20k-25k sales during it's first year.>>566270001>You think you can make a game with 600 reviews in one year as a solo dev? And you think you can repeat that every year? And always have a success with no flop? Impossible.Not consistently but every decent game you make keeps making money at least 1 year after release. You need to bundle up and keep doing minimal work and participating in sales.
>>566268078>that still doesn’t magically make indie gamedev a rational backup plan.I do gamedev as a hobby, because it's fun and because I've always done it. It's one of the few things where working away on something on my own can potentially bring lifechanging amounts of money, I treat that as a nice bonus. So it's a better use of my time than painting WH40k models or some other non-monetizable hobby. In the meantime I'm in the rat race with everyone else.>>566268949This but unironically. Deport foreigners, lock up criminals, hang liberals, remove the vote from women. All of our problems are self-inflicted.
>>566270667>Deport foreigners, lock up criminals, hang liberals, remove the vote from women.ordo ab chao-maxxing
>>566270492they hated xim because xhe spoke the truth
I'm going to start setting up the new rig now. Let's hope nothing too bad happens.
>>566271093are you inventing a computer?
>>566270492It's funny if only because its such a non-forced error.Imagine having so much ill-will surrounding you where everything you touch turns to shit and you have the audacity to call yourself a consultant. Nigga hire me as a consultant and I'll just tell you "don't hire retarded foids to give their shit opinions on your videogame thanks that'll be a million dollars"
>>566270563>You need to bundle up and keep doing minimal work and participating in sales.look up "diminishing returns" mr. imbecile
>>566270667>I do gamedev as a hobby,Problem is, dev requires a lot of time to get a game done. Hyperbole, you can't build a pyramid for "hobby".Of course, if you don't mind releasing microgames, or releaseing once per decade, there is no problem.
How do i see how many followers I have on steam? I'm looking at steamdb for my own game. That can't be the only way.
>>566270492games journalists>"We Love your game!"games journalists after learning your game has 2 genders and no homosexual relations>Noooooooooo I fucking hate chud fasc neo nazi devs! I fucking hate greasy gamers!reap and sow bitch
>>566271295>>566271381Why not give up?
>>566271476Post one game with only 2 genders made in the last year.
>>566271420>How do i see how many followers I have on steam? I'm looking at steamdb for my own game. That can't be the only way."that'll be $100 tip + 30% cut until the day you die" said gabencunt
>>566271295You're a fucking retard, of course it makes less the more time it sits in the store, how does that refute what I'm saying? You make more games and those pile up so you still have some minimum income each year. This is why I post less and less here, it's full of "but I did have breakfast this morning" people.
>>566271381>focused on the outputI don't think you understand what a hobby is or why people do them.
>>566271625Doing bundles is stupid, you are wasting precious money.
>>566271625>work 100x times more than a wagie for 100x less returnsclearly you are a genius
>>566271698>>566269831he's just another get rich quick gambler, no point in arguing
>>566271625You make more games? But when you will be 40 year old you won't be able to make games anymore because of dementia. How are you going to retire at 40?
>>566270492if I put "Adolf Hitler" into the credits of my game, what do you think would happen?
>>566271568The latest example I could find in my library of 2 genders no homo was Mount & Blade 2 Bannerlord which went out of early 4 years ago
>>566271698Dev is not a hobby because it's too hard, and involves too many skillsGardening, painting and similar things are hobbies. Developing a commercial product, doing marketing, counting reviews and revenue it's called a job.A young mind could also be fooled, but an hobby it's rarely something you perform for external gratification. Making a painting and being satisfied of your skill is enough; if you have to make a photo, post it on socials with an enpiring quote to make you feel that same feeling, you are not doing an hobby but a performance for external validation.
>>566271568Any game that has body type A and B in the character creator.My gender is A. my pronouns are aa/aaa
>>566271420You don't need to know that number.
>Dev is not a hobby because it's too hard, and involves too many skills
>>566272382Wow it's Friday, I have some time off...I'll code something! This seems like funOr spam social media with the same three images and video I already posted a month agoFun Fun Fun
>>566272551you're wasting your time being here
>>566272347>Dev is not a hobby because it's too hard, and involves too many skillsMust suck to not be a polymath. Can't relate.
>>566271119Yeah. Im setting up windows slop right now. Then ill carry all of the software over. Everything should be setup by this afternoon where I can dev. Only worry is my X account since they can be fucking gay with some shit.
>>566272776>windowsyou people never learn.
>>566273083The jap engines i use don't support it
Is an 80k remote a good deal for a junior game developer? I'm still waiting on a couple of other companies to come back, but this one's deadline is Monday, and I'm scared of not accepting it on time and the others either rejecting me or offering less.
>you don't understand, part of the FUN of cooking is building your own oven, your knives and forks; of course you need to raise eggs into chickens; famr your grain and make flour; buy and keep cows for your milk... And then you can start thinking about making a cake>wouldn't this require most of your day?>what? What are you, a noob? It's an hobby dude. This is my hobby!
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>>566272347>>566272551I developed my game for 15+ years without a single post in social media.Now I posted it a few times and it flopped on social media (or the jews shadowbanned me).Not planning to stop developing though. But I might adjust what I am going to implement now based on feedback from 4chan.
>>566273194It's a good thing you don't have to invent your computer, peripherals, game engines and other software, or the internet. You can just sit down and make game whenever you want.
>>566273245watch me do it, cunt
>>566273194>go to premium restaurant>they just use store-bought bread
>>566273186>junior game developer
>>566261895>we can just stop making billionaires (parasites) that is an option.agreed
I'm goin to open up a restaurant!>did you ever worked into this sector?Worked? What? Lmao, it's an hobby for me>Ah, do you like to cook?Probably, never cooked before. but I've been eating in restaurants all my life. I've bought some books about it, and I have a tube list of tutorials>... You know that running a restaurant is an hard job, with a high degree of failure?Dude who cares! It's an HOBBY. And if my restaurant fails, I'll make another one, and another one...
>>566273194enginedevs catching strays
>>566273954this guy killed everyone who had glasses because he thought they were intellectuals and he wanted all his underlings to be stupid so they wouldn't oppose him
>>566274037Try to think of a better analogy.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2109340/Pixel_Game_Engine/wake up babe.New no code game engine is released, chuds.
>>566274231why are glasses associated with smarts?
meanwhile people smarter than both of us are programming game engines from scratch for fun after their 9-5 jobs as senior software engineersit's okay to get mogged sometimes man just keep working and you'll become more competent over timetry to be more patient, it helps out tremendously
>>566274236Ye showing how much mental illness is spread in this community it's not very cool
>>566274383>meanwhile people smarter than both of us are programming game engines from scratch for fun after their 9-5 jobs as senior software engineerslol no
>>566274263>game engine soundtrack dlc packtop lol
>>566274383meanwhile gabencunt earns trillions of dollars doing jack shit by just stealing 30% from every indie dev....
>>566274383>20 years for handmade heroBe
>>566274436>pooplisher monopoly moneygrim...
>>566274383 good coder != good gameEven carmak bombed
too much cope
>>566274806What is just the right amount of cope?
>>566275126yeah
>>566274383a guy here cooks for like 50 people twice a day, is releasing multiple games right now and also codes a game engine for fun
>>566275126conceding your incompetence to a lack of maturity
>I will win because my speed is superior
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>>566275936>sides in orbitI'm humbled.
>>566271568Every single AAA game with character creator besides maybe cyberpunk if you consider cuntboys and futas as separate genders.
>>566276242>cuntboyswhat is that?
>>566275936AI chuds are now just mocking enginedevs
>>566275936"AI" """Chad""""
>>566276434Mutant luddite chickens
>>566276295You know how futas are mtf trannies but idealised? Cuntboys are the opposite, men with vaginas.
>>566276564wish i was illiterate
Bros...
>mfw I just realize I can use the harness technique not just for retopo off a mesh but when modelling off a reference.
trying trimsheets for simple landscapes>>566277035whats the harness technique?
work / wagecucking = it's over, job market is toastedreleasing steam indie game = it's over, market is flooded with AI slop and shit, you won't make itdating market = it's oversummary: it's over!
>>566277704https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCdhkLUCV8A
>>566276564>You know how futas are mtf trannies but idealised?I don't because i'm not a weird mentally ill third world esl freak
>>566276564>>566276242/d/ here, making posts like this will derail an entire /d/ thread and make it crash and burn, possibly destroying even multiple threads.Futa specifically refers to having both parts. However, many people have used it to cover shemales and those with ambiguous sex, which really pisses off people who cry if a character doesn't have a vagina.Basically, cuntboys are the inverse of a shemale. Futa aren't quite in-between because it's a feminine character but I've seen a rare usage of the term "male-hermaphrodite" to cover the male version of it.I try to keep my characters ambiguous for these sorts of reasons. Let people believe what they want.
>>566278532those are weeb terms made up terms for trannies.
>>566265638>because our current coder is kind of slow at times.>2 man teamThe reality is that you gotta ditch that guy and find a better one. Every team member you add massively increases the level of success you need to find to be sustainable as a team.
Which types of fantasy races are worth adding as playable? I've been thinking about it recently and trying to come up with which fantasies or aesthetics are preffered by players. Humans or a human equivalent is a given as they're the most popular race, and having some beautiful idealized sexy human variants like elves or humans with animal ears is probably also worth it since they can reuse the same mesh with minor tweaks and are popular. Some big buff race like orcs might be worth it due to the power fantasy they provide but making them actually stand out takes a little effort in making a unique model. A short race like gnomes or goblins might also be worth it. Anything that's even less human shaped and would require completely different animations and rigs feel like they would never be worth the effort because they just won't be popular enough. It would be good if there was some scientific research listing the most popular races or fantasies in a variety of different RPGs and comparing them.
>>566279447When considering which fantasy races to include as playable options in your game, it’s important to balance player preferences, design feasibility, and the uniqueness of each race.While specific scientific research might not be easily accessible, many surveys and studies within gaming communities (like those conducted by game developers or publishers) often report on player preferences. Popular gaming platforms like Reddit, forums, or gaming magazines can provide anecdotal evidence and trends.Ultimately, your selections should contribute to diverse gameplay experiences while catering to popular aesthetics. Continuously engaging with your audience and collecting feedback can also help you assess which fantasy races resonate most with your player base. Adding layers of depth, both in lore and gameplay mechanics, will help make even less common races appealing.
>shota game allowed on steamWhat's the deal with getting porn games onto steam, just hope the steamie reviewing your game isn't the malding troon who rejects anything with flat-chested women?
>>566279692Steam has specific guidelines and policies regarding the distribution of adult content, including games with sexual themes or nudity. While some adult games are allowed on the platform, they must comply with Steam's rules, which include avoiding explicit sexual content or depictions of nudity that are deemed pornographic.The review process for games can sometimes seem subjective, as it relies on the judgment of the reviewers. Developers often express concerns about inconsistencies in how games are approved or rejected based on content, including themes related to the portrayal of characters. It’s important for developers to thoroughly review the guidelines and present their games in a way that aligns with Steam’s policies to increase the chances of approval.If you're a developer of adult-themed content and want to distribute your game on Steam, it's essential to understand these guidelines clearly and possibly seek feedback from the community to gauge how your game might be received.
>>566278762They predate the modern cognition of trannies.
>>566279692Ignore the AI spammer, basically you just have to make sure their appearance is very "adult-coded", essentially no short women
>>566278532A big problem is that even porn dev here are mostly clueless about their tagsLike for this dev every sort of cheating was ntr, and I had to explain to him the difference.Not even fucking coomers are cultured anymore
>>566265650>Here in the westI need about 15k€/y after taxes to support my current lifestyle in a first world country that's at the peak of living standards and that's not that hard to reach if you can push out a game or two every yearOf course in the long term it would be nice to be making more
>Sony recorded a $560 million loss for their fourth quarter of the 2025 fiscal year, reportedly due to a loss of player momentum in Marathon alongside underperformance of other Bungie titlesHoly fuck.
>>566245910Peripeteia did eventually get two dedicated art guys who made various environmental and weapon models, but initially all of the models, levels, and textures were made by one dev. His work started off rough and improved as he went along, with worse earlier models being replaced over time with better ones. The important thing wasn't getting the art perfect initially, but having something there to work with in the meantime and improve upon later.There is another important part: for every current ingame map besides Memorial Tower, he used a BSP level editor (in his case, Hammer++) instead of taking the usual slopdev path of Blender or ProBuilder. BSP level editors have a way better workflow for mid to low-fidelity game maps, and the results feel more authentic because the level geometry is literally shaped by the dev tools. You should consider learning one alongside Blender. Even if it's an extra tool to learn, the producitivity boost is absolutely worth it.It might help if you look at the original /v/3 trailer and maybe some old demos (there's archived versions on the Internet Archive, GameJolt, and IndieGala) to get some idea of what the devs initially worked with. The game's development process obviously had a lot of problems, but how the devs made assets was not one of them.
>>566281534they should hire me as a lead game designer
Hello /agdg/, can you recommend any videos on 3D level design?Most of the videos I watch about gamedev turn out to be made by nodev charlatans. They sometimes can be helpful regardless, but when it comes to an abstract topic like this I'm skeptical of how useful the advice will be.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/327490/RTS_Creator/Have anyone used this?
>>566282637My honest advice is to look up stuff from outside videogames for inspiration.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGQeLsVvI0A good resource for 3D levels is obstacle racing.3D games are basically obstacle races.Watch shit like ninja warrior to learn how to design them.A good advice is to learn about pacing in storytelling and music.
>>566282671can you read the reviews?
>>566283234the negative reviews seem to imply is not a plug and play tool like rpg maker.the positive reviews imply the tool is functional but require effort, like a real engine.
>>566267307Where I'm from the situation has been for many years now that all the open positions for tech are looking for 5+ years of experience with a job description of you needing to do the work of 5 people alone and you're paid like you are an intern
which has damaged the game industry the most?1. steam opens the floodgates and becomes a monopoly2. modern engines with asset marketplaces3. lootboxes, gambling, gacha4. AI
Had time to make some nice progress today. I modelled and textured a table and chair. Implemented a basic camera and started to play around with the look and feel of the game.The next big task is to create an enemy character to shoot at.
>>566264424>>566264552>>566264731>>566269635in the exact same way that a (minor) hit can follow a flop, a flop can follow a hit (see: Surface Breaker)just because someone gets lucky doesn't mean they can get lucky every time. It also doesn't help that Wasteland Bites and Guns n Nuns are both flavor-of-the-week and have no unique value or staying power so they can't bank on having lucrative tails like some other (more real) games. Sadly for them they have already overmarketed and reached most of their total addressable market so there's not even opportunity for much expansion99% of our local devs don't actually gain any advantage out of experience. Most of them just do blind shooting and two or three of them get lucky every year. They can't replicated it because it was never skill in the first place.
>>566283721>2. modern engines with asset marketplaces
>>566269104>>566269941Honestly Void War's usage of AI is such a nothing burger. They got some portraits and made them look like pixel art and it's such a small part of the game. I bet there's a bunch of games pulling similar things when it comes to static images like that. I can't name any game that made major use of AI generated assets be it 2d or 3d. AI for 2d animation still seems quite shit and the 3d models still got some ways to go. Maybe there's some poorly selling games out there already. I'd be interested to see them. I've been meaning to try the 3d generation stuff as I've seen there's been some advancements in topology and even UVing. It's just that I'm currently making a 2d game so figuring out that 3d gen stuff has felt like an unnecessary distraction.
>>566241525progress, deeper hair customization
>>566284045I mean there's not that much of an increase in quality from dungeon watchers to guns and nuns and from cosmic call to wasteland bites
>>566283626there's plenty of reviews saying it's a dead abandoned buggy software
>>566284045>a flop can follow a hit (see: Surface Breaker)his previous game was a lesser flop but a flop still
>>566284656ok.how bout unity.Are there rpg maker like frameworks on unity?
>>566282637You're better off learning a bit about architecture and maybe landscaping. They cover the same stuff level design does, but in a more holistic way that help you more deeply understand what you're making. Level design videos, on the other hand, are from no-life bugmen who see levels as a bunch of boxes to arbitrarily decorate and slap Disney theme park design techniques onto.
>>566284045the usual turn of events is that their newfound success will make them cocky and sloppy. love to see it
>>566284860There are some made on Godothttps://store.steampowered.com/app/498310/
>>566274293because staring at a thing up close to your face all day ruins your eyesight before computer screens the thing people were staring at were books and people who read a lot of books knew more than more people
>>566285171my issue with rpg in a box is that it uses a shitty voxel system instead of just loading a glb.
>>566284593But from 30 reviews to 500 in a week there is a difference
>>566285613I don't think the move is>dev something every six months. sometimes you will get some sales; sometimes notAt that point let's go to play black jack
>>566279447The better question to ask is how much extra asset work do you need to do for each new race added. Depending on the game it might not be worth having any.
>>566282410I don't see why people hate on ProBuilder. You can use it in a very similar manner to oldschool editors.
>>566282637Level design is built upon your1. Main game mechanics2. The flow you want to have3. The storyin this order.But looking at real architecture, examining their "textures" and compositions helps. Try to break down the building into pieces e.g. pillars, windows, doors, leaps, beams, corners...Also, build around important set pieces like a puzzle or whatever you have.
>>566282637I have some pictures I've saved
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maybe im just a 500iq genius or years of playing vidya has prepared me for this but level design just comes so naturally to me
more like 500 pounds
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>>566287190someone's a little jelly
yeah ur fat stomach
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>>566283721kids growing up on mobile games
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>>566287861based chad
>>566281534I still keep thinking Marathon is that game that flopped ultra hard and instantly shut down but it isn't I guess because I keep hearing about it
>>566283721>>566284176unity pretty much destroyed everything with their prefab bullshit
>>566288182Mate, it has 7k players and made $150m while it cost $600m to develop. No matter how much people are talking about it, or how long it stays online, it's still a $450m loss - for an AAA caliber corporation this is as massive of a flop as it gets.
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>>566288340>vertex painted mess cost $600mhow on earth was that game so expensive to develop?
What is this type of desperation called?
>>566288939https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0feZjsVt1w
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>>566289697
So who's really into interior decoration?
>>566284969Yeah, I'm getting the impression it's not something you can "learn" in the way I was trying to, I thought there might exist some straightforward process to follow like with visual art.You and >>566286734 both mentioned architecture which is interesting. I thought it was Jon Blow's autistic complaints about video game buildings being unrealistic that compelled him to hire architects to work on The Witness, but maybe it makes more sense than I realised. I wonder if it's good enough to just copy real life buildings because architecture feels outside my wheelhouse, but I'll try watching some videos on the subject anyway.>>566286814Saved these, thank you. My game basically only has coloured blocks and lighting so these are particularly helpful ideas to think about.
>Epic has it where it cannot detect already existing installs on a drive, you actively have to reinstall the engine for shit to fucking workThe fuck
>>566290012I'm not, but I appreciate the infographics. You never know when cross-discipline design knowledge will come in handy.>>566289896Thanks for posting.
>>566288340>7k players and made $150meach player spends an average of $21500? woah
>>566281534You would never see flops this big before digital, what did retailers know that the publishers didn't?
>marathon charts invaded the threadPlz no. Wtf.
>>566291654It's not for a lack of trying. The vg market wasn't that big on ps2 era and before.But you still have that ET bullshit that killed US vidya
>>566290873in bigger studios, the devs often visit real places and take a lot of pictures for reference and often end up modeling something e.g. silent hill f https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOy7DYvm3GM>I'll try watching some videos on the subject anyway.my personal favorite is architectural digesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL7BECNn-RIyou can also use google maps street viewbut in the end, games are all just fake, so elongating corridors, making rooms bigger etc. is most likely necessary for your game
>>566292071>end up modeling something... one to one from that real location
>>566289624It's called Geoff Keighley envy
>>566289624why did you crop the likes and reposts?
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>566293045gesundheit
>>566289624someone tell this bagel negro that emotes and hashtags are out of style
i'm gonna skip the unreal reinstall for today
Add waifus to your game.
>>566293552Why are you so obsessed with this game?
>>566293552That’s not helpful
if you haven't made it yet you never will.
>>566293669Who wouldn’t be?
Success breeds jealousy.
>>566291184>still uses unreal lmaogine
>flyer for new grocery store in my area>flip through it>they are using ai for the meat section
>>566293791Close to being true. I'd say if you can't release your game by the end of the year or at least early next year just give up now. Its too late.
>>566292071>e.g. silent hill fThat's awesome, I can see why they were inspired by those houses next to the canal. I'm gonna collect pictures of my favourite buildings and natural places as a starting point.
So, which will it be, SKELETONMAN, or SKIN(less)MAN!?https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3646460/view/664987110632064205
>>566292071NTA but this is kind of what I do
When will /agdg/ have it's MOTORSLICE moment?
>>566293552it's so funny that a they/them retard is complaining about a tranny self-insert
>>566294048and that is the easy part, the release still needs to be profitable it still needs A LOT of players. Something none of you will ever have. At best you might have a few people play it for a few minutes if you give away keys, they wont pay for it either.It's time to give up on gamedev.
>>566292724How could anyone be envious of Geoff
>>566294452I wish that could be me
>>566284045>It also doesn't help that Wasteland Bites and Guns n Nuns are both flavor-of-the-week and have no unique value or staying power so they can't bank on having lucrative tails like some other (more real) games. Sadly for them they have already overmarketed and reached most of their total addressable market so there's not even opportunity for much expansionFINALLY a bastard bitch punjab said this. you put it perfectly. those games are FOTM and are not gonna have a "long tail". and any further sales will just grow as diminishing returns. and there's no guarantees the next projects will be a better or at least equal success, it's likely they'll do worse (although probably not a total 0 review flop)
>>566294523>does nothing >gets millions of dollars
>>566294363Your autism is an inspiration. I wish I had that flavor of autism. Some day I hope to dedicate all my time on my Daggerfall-like.
>>566294498>>566294048>>566293791jeetnig samefag
>>566284045This is why you gotta do unique
>>566294452>what is guns and nuns?
>>566293552I did that and my game still flopped biggly and I remain in poverty and the only people who talk about my game are chart posters to remind me of my failure
I wanna scream at my existence.
wew won
Why do my trailers have 0 views on youtube?What if the jews are conspiring against me and shadowbanning on their platforms? They know my 4chan posting history so they have good reasons to ban me.
>>566295814Where do you promote it
>>566296013I've been a part of every V3
>>566295814try replacing the lolis with adult women
>>566295814>are conspiring against me and shadowbanning on their platforms? yes children gatekept from everyone (the main reason why markiplier and pewdiepie popped off)
>>566295814link it
>>566294452my game will be like motorslice but with lolis so expect a lot of tranny seethe
I don’t want anything besides happiness
>>566296013>Where do you promote itI have to promote it? I thought youtube will show it to people based on title, description, tags etc.But I did post it in few places, on 4chan and on reddit. Where else?>>566296484>try replacing the lolis with adult womenI didn't add lolis yet (but I plan to), do you think the jews know my plans in advance?
What is with you freaks and infatuation with little girls?
>>566295781cheers!
>>566287861I wish I got money for working on my game like that
>>566295814make shorts for better visibility
>>566298091they were rejected from every other corner of the internet
>>566298241>make shorts for better visibilityI made shorts but people just watch them on phones on youtube app and there is ZERO traffic coming to the trailer, they just keep scrolling shorts, not coming to trailer!!! FUCKING ZOOMERINOS
Seeing Nuns and Duns and Motorslice success makes me more confident in my game.
>>566298259it is quite sad that we can't seem to reject them hard enough that they understand to fuck off
The urge to scream is understandable
>>566298960i blame jannies doing nothing when i report them
>>566295814>>566298513Your trailer has failed because you didn't put sexy lolitas in it.
I'm gonna work on sound effects this weekend.
>>566295814did you properly do your video SEO?
>>566299473>I'm gonna work on sound effects this weekend.I steal sound effects from youtube videos.>>566299749>did you properly do your video SEO?How do you do that?I did put some tags in the tag section but I don't know if they are correct tags.
>>566292896>1 like >0 retweetsIt's a save face tactic
>>566300145nigga its 2026, the algo does not need tags nor is it persuaded by themwhat's your channel looking like? is it just the trailer? if so that's your problem right there
just link it and get a cold dose of reality
I added weapon swap to the game
>>566300818nice proggy nunCHAD
>>566298801I'm starting to feel like I need an anime girl to boost potential sales of my game
stop bit crushing your sounds
>>566284549Did you model all of this yourself or are you using assets?
>>566300557>nigga its 2026, the algo does not need tags nor is it persuaded by themThen how do they know what is inside video? If it doesn't need tags, why it's 0 views? It can't be that shit, impossible.>what's your channel looking like? is it just the trailer? if so that's your problem right thereTrailer and few youtube shorts with the game.What else is supposed to be there? Porn?
>>566300818How the fuck wasn't that a feature from the start?
>>566299473how was your test?
>>566301653There's still a couple of hours left until it starts.
>>566300818add race swap
>>566301347you are living in the AI age and you think the algo needs tags to know what your video is? c'mon manevery channel has a "score" and the score, along with user compatiblity dictates whether or not your vids get rec'd to a userevery time a user gets rec'd a video from you and they choose not to click it, your score tanksthat's why channels focus so much on one thing, and when they don't algo says BUH BYEvery very standard stuff for social media sites in 2026in your case your channel is new with low content so it has a low score. totally expected
>>566300818Side question for u: your players give a fuck about points? I dunno if implementing them at all or not
>Walks into classroom, all the aggies are hollering.>"Ahem">Everyone still just goofing around and screaming>Unzips pants. Cock flops out onto my desk.>Desk breaks in half from weight of my enormous hog.>Aggydaggy suddenly silent as everyone looks at me.Thank you for your attention. Let's begin today by sharing your progress with the class. Michael, you're up first.
progress:last of the clothing assets I needed done, just need to do the small sprite versions.
>>566302127>in your case your channel is new with low content so it has a low score. totally expectedWhat I can do about this? I had to start a new channel.Also the thumbnails for the trailer are bad and youtube doesn't let me change them, when I tried to confirm my phone number it refused to send SMS to the number.When I posted a shitty trailer of my another game, about 15 years ago, it got thousands of view, on empty youtube channel.
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>>566302057and what are you doing here instead of studying?
>>566302624Good work Michael. Jon, you're next.
if ai replaces all jobs, doesn't that mean it doesn't matter what you do now? it means you can do whatever you want, because it will all be replaced anyways. and if not this or next year, then in 5-10 years. and doing something new than ai doesnt replace, just to have a job for a few years, isn't even worth it.so thinking long-term basically means doing what you want, right now. cause this will be the future.and if there's no neetbux, then it means "everything is equally hard to make money with" anyways. therefore do what you want, because it will be hard to make money with everything in the future. at least you'll have the advantage that you like what you are doing.
can someone share that "side projects to main project" meme please? also post your current gamedev ost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t31sszhAWhk
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>>566302832if we don't get neetbux then you will need a garden and a gun
>>566302832>so thinking long-term basically means doing what you want, right now. cause this will be the future.I am doing this my whole life.>and if there's no neetbux,But there is, I am collecting it.
>>566302886gamedev osthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgPIN7mA6g
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>>566302141They care about points if reaching an amount will unlock something new in the game, like a weapon or a map.They can also care about points if the game have a leaderboards, people like to compete.
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>>566301343they're vroid
>>566302886https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bW71FyVfIMIt helps me stay motivated to listen to something that pumps me up a tad
my brain can't come up with normal games. it always has to be some sandbox world where you can destroy and build everything and loot everything and craft stuff and alter the world and you have many systems working together like weather, light, temperature, npc needs, plant growth, day-night-cycle etc. etc.this is probably why i have such a hard time with game dev. i can't comprehend how to make a fun game with a static map. i'm just not used to that way of thinking, unless it's a competitive online shooter.
>>566304375sounds like you should make a competitive online shooter with a sandbox world
>>566304375>his idea is to make the real worldwow so creative
>>566304375I'm so glad I have never played or enjoyed those types of games.
>>566278069Thanks for wasting everyone's time
>>566302886this one?
Bedabots got like four new pieces of fan art during this Q&A session alone!
>>566300145the algo of youtube needs a video and channel properly configured with their SEO to promote the channels and recommend videos.>But how do I learn SEOthere's books and youtube tutorials on it.The youtube game is to research what keywords people use to search your topic, then do SEO to rank on that search.
>>566305005neatI got some sorta limbus company crossover fanart this time around
>>566303851>not number 1 on his own game>a bocchi issuicide fuel
>>566305218>The youtube game is to research what keywords people use to search your topic, then do SEO to rank on that search.But how I do this? By putting this keywords into video title and description?
Minecraft meets Skyrim.
>50 games are released per day on Steam>nearly all of those are much better than yours and still fail miserably.it's time to give up on gamedev
>>566305823that anon is retarded no one is going to search to find your trailer
>>566305863but how many of those games are loli games?
lmao i wasn't prepared how complicated it is to play a video on a 3D plane in unreal.i have to make a mediaplayer, then the mediaplayer also maps to a texture target file. then you have to use that texture file in a material. then you have to make a blueprint that takes the mediaplayer and "play source", but somehow when you call "play source" you have to manually select the video file again, which is weird cause the mediaplayer file is for the specific video. and then you put that material on the plane and run the blueprint of course to play the source. and then you also have to separate the audiofile from the video manually and also manually play the audio file at the same time.this is fucking retarded.
>>566305863most of those games are shovelware. My games are gourmet works of art.
give gamers what they want
>>566302886https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0OBF83rL-8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1enSUZ-A-HM
>>566305823just look up some youtube course on keyword research, ASO and SEO.put something like youtube keyword research 2026 course or youtube/twitter SEO 2026.
youtube is useless, they hide all videos from search results unless its super popular. some autist could be making 150 iq videos right now, but youtube shits on him because he isn't a charismatic youtuber personality.
>>566306682>using youtube instead of AIretard alert
>>566306771is the bot broken?
>>566306020>My games are gourmet works of art.lets see one
>>566306889
>>566306682how is youtube algo gonna promote your video if it doesn't have the metadata that shows what the video is about?
>>566307004nvm you are just retarded
>>566307078you ludlost
>>566307117im not a luddite, your response just made no sense retard
i find project zomboid without zombies fascinating. with zombies you settle down really fast and build a base, just anywhere where you can sledgehammer the stairs and be safe.but when you play peaceful, you just drive around endlessly looking for a nice location and you never find "the best place".why do i find that fascinating? cause you can't really loot/build unless you have a place where you store/build everything. so you have to settle down somewhere first, and then you can loot the world bringing it all to one place and build that place up.now imagine that "base" is your game. once you settle down on a game you can spend day after day building that game up, you can bring everything you learn into that game. all assets you find or buy you can bring into that game.but first, you need to settle down, before that you just roam the map with a fully packed van and you have to leave all the nice loot behind, because you have no more space to store it.the thing about settling down is: you have to accept all the shitty cons of the place you settle down on. otherwise you'll constantly think the grass is greener and move again and again and again. which leads to another big problem: a fatigue caused by starting from scratch over and over again. at some point the brain refuses to care, because it knows you'll leave again anyways. it's probably similar to people who quit dating after they were left many times before. they stop investing, because they do not believe that the commitment is real.
>>566306771ACKTUALLY when you search trough youtbe you're still using AI so the retard alert applies with AI usage as well thoeverbeit
>Be shilled that Chat gpt and gemini and LLM and Difussion methods are like concious and soul and qlia and shit and they're the antichrist archontic portal demons>Look up inside>High school recursive math on paralel videogame calculator that just do backpropagation equation on an optimization high school caculus slope problem to do a gausian inverse filter on a noise picture and a autocomplete word2word bubble predictor
>>566305863i don't chase the market. i lead it
>>566307021same way it auto removes for copyright strikes or no no words or whatever NWO bullshitor auto adds chapters and shit like it does now
>>566307646lmao that gif. a girl once sent it to me when i said something nice to her.
>>566307793the algo plays on logic rules and math.gotta learn how to use it in your favour.
>>566307646Not that I believe they're conscious but you're not gonna get to know a person by dissecting their brain either
>>566307826>said something nicewas it actually nice or "obviously trying really hard to get you naked" nice
>>566307826women are evil, what would you expect
>>566307646Here's a tip : people are fucking with you and hiding messages to eachother in the mental illnessYou're beginning to Echo the Void Pattern and Feel the Flame, Witness!
>>566307948It really isn't that complicated. The algorithm is looking to maximize watchtime so every video in your feed needs to count. It won't recommend shit at random if the viewer in question typically doesn't click on random shit.
>>566308056>their brain>Is just a massive matrix tree graph operation
>>566307646Its a glorified search engine. If you were good at concocting Google searches back in the day when their search engine actually worked, then you will be good at working with llms.
>>566308230well, i was genuine, but it felt like she constantly interpreted it as me trying hard. i think she has severe problems with her self-worth.
How many times per day do you masturbate during gamedev?
>>566303851Ty dud. Congrats again for your success
>>566309017i had a hyper-productive friend who fapped 2-3 times a day. it's the main reason i never believed in nofap, because that dude works like crazy.
>>566308230>game where you drink 45 pints in around two hours
the flow zone might be a useless concept, because real life is not a video game and you can't just "adjust the difficulty level". it's a main problem of all science: it always expects lab conditions.therefore i must assume that trying to find the "flow zone" is a fallacy, because it might not even exist in real life. you have to find an approach where you get stuff done without being in flow
>>566310056>real life is not a video game and you can't just "adjust the difficulty level"Yes you can, it's called ambition, if you want to play on easy mode you lower your ambitions. Of course resources scale down when you do but that's typical
how you do make your dream game, when every 3 months your "dream game" is something different? sometimes it's an mmorpg, sometimes it's a zombie game, sometimes it's a medieval village sim, sometimes it's an erotic rpg, sometimes it's a space travel game...
>>566310056>real lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpFEv1-mAo
>>566307793some women hate to be considered attractive or sexy, and they make themselves ugly on purpose, I don't know if it's low self-esteem, immaturity or something else
>>566310535man his point is valid, but people need to stop overusing the word "narcissist". by their use of the word every single human being is a narcissist and therefore the term becomes absolutely useless.
>>566310518My dream game is the same game since 15+ years.
>>566310535Gabe understands games just about better than anyone
>>566310813He didn't use the word narcissist he used the phrase narcissistic injury
>>566310813Narcissism is not a binary trait. It's a gradient and everyone lies somewhere on the spectrum, many noticeably further along than others.
at this point i label 100% of my ideas as unrealistic projects. even fairly-scoped 2D projects. i'm not willing to start working on another abandonware anymore...i haven't found a solution yet. cause hobbydeving dead projects isn't something that motivates me. learning also doesn't motivate me anymore.
>>566310518My dream game is just more Thief, not even with better graphics or bigger levels or anything, just more Thief with Stephen Russell as the voice actor
why does everything have to be on a fucking spectrum, why can't something just be binary
>>566311381Because they're afraid to be wrong
what if you don't choose your game, but the game chooses you? if so, how would you notice which game chose you?i mean, you didn't choose your country, your parents, your genes, your body, your language, your species, your human era etc. etc.so why do we assume we choose our game?
>>566311673only top tier artists like myself get "chosen"its not something that happens to mortals, instead they have to cope with their "judgement" or "market research" or w/e stupid shit
>>566311673Choosing implies order and determinism, I like to think there is no such thing as original thoughts, ideas, and beliefs and what we do is conceptualize something from a shared pool of human knowledge. And when we create we do our best to realize a vision that is already perfect in the realm of ideas.
>>566307646>>566308574I'm not buying that it's just an enhanced autocomplete
>>566312302creatures that waste time reading the "thinking" text are subhuman
>>566312484>anon trying to cope with his dyslexia and gnat-level attention span calling his intellectual superiors subhuman
>>566309017All of them.
daily reminder that the hentai virus will kill tons of people but also we will be in lockdowns again so everyone will be insideit will be another indie game boom
>>566313726another lockdown would be so fucking kino, the santavirus isn't as spreadable though, very obvious symptoms and isn't airborne so very unlikely it'll reach the same level as covid
>>566311673What this guy >>566311971 saidtrying to emulate exceptional creators is extremely unproductive for the bottom 90% of cattle. You have to spec into normie skills like work ethic, networking, and raw productive output
agdg discord is down, can I hang out here?
>>566310994Back in the day maybe but Artifact flopped for reasons that were obvious to anyone who had even the slightest understanding of what DCCG players wanted.
>recoil rushprogress - made the axe kick bigger, faster, and have more active frames to make it more forgiving and feel better. based on DD68 feedback.Animation chad feedback welcome.antiprogress - found a bug with moving platforms where walking into a wall while the platform slides out from under you makes you shoot down along the wall.fuck it were calling it movement tech, its not a bug its a feature!
>>566313869you know you can just stay at home, right?
>>566314292For me and a lot of people it was the first time everyone turned into people like us
>>566311673It chose... poorly
>>566314419I remember my ex girlfriend who dumped me 5 years before the lockdowns texted me when the lockdowns started like>you've been training for this your entire life!
>zoomers have nostalgia for lockdownsholy fucking dystopia
>>566314765just the natural born NEETs
>>566314765I have nostalgia for the neetbux I got during the lockdown
>>566314765I'm a millennial thono I don't have a game yet I keep hopping...
>>566307646https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
I am a shut in neet and got covid 3 times thanks to family visiting on my birthday three years in a row. Happy birthday anon open your present, it's covid!
how can bastard bitch say this? in 2012 i could not put my game on steam bloody benchod
>>566315048people who don't get sunlight get sick much more often
if i'd have spent the last 10 years with nothing but having fun all day, i'd be in the same position as right now. which makes me wonder if that's even true, or if having fun would have lead me to actually making money somehow. because denying myself to have fun definitely didn't lead anywhere.
>>566315123Industry peaked well before 2012, silly Blow.
Steam not telling you if people who deleted their wishlist played your demo or not is the most useless thing about the site
>>566315685i never wishlisted a game in my life. i buy it if i want to play it. most of my buy decisions are like "is this better or similar than my favorite games?"
>>566315189I take vitamin d pills daily
>>566316407kek'd out loud, good one anon
>>566315406What is having fun to you?
>>566316608having fun is when i do something without worrying if it's beneficial to my finances.
>>566316508The sunlight here is extremely dangerous. highest rates of UV radiation in the world
>>566316838oh, well that's what happens when you steal other people's lands you don't belong in
>tfw will never have a gamedev gf and during lockdown we make the most kino game full of love ever made together
>>566316986but those people he stole it from were also stealing it and murdering eachother for the land, white people had just as much right to at as the rest of them
>>566317067they aren't like in the animes brother
>>566316986My ancestors were prisoners sent here against their will. I can't afford to go back, yet.
>>566317067Bokube literally had this
In my experience women only hinder your endeavors and ruin your enjoyment in game dev, even if it’s just a hobby not a financial risk
>>566317484then the sun is your birthright
>>566317484are big scary spiders finding their way into your house actually a problem in australia?
>>566314270How many frames is your main character?
>>566317963Not a big problem. But you gotta check your gumboots before you put them on
>>566314270Wp.>you could axe kick turrets all alongFuck you dud, I could have cleared lvl4 with that tech
>>566241525Having to go back to re-engineer some shit, because I made some stupid assumptions from my renderware days and brought them forward into Unreal.My level models are cooked as a single humongous static mesh, with the assumption being that faces that are self-occluded in the model would be culled by a vis pass, but nooooo. Unreal only does render culling PER OBJECT / MESH, and will not cull faces within said mesh, even when pointed directly away from frustum.So I'm cooking up a new workflow to use instances on a provided base mesh to generate the level geometry, using PCG system. So far so good on columns, easy enough. Having a tougher time with getting a good edge detect for walls. May just have to slightly modify the base mesh to have known quantities for some tris extruded from edge. After that, some testing to ensure the new render culling is working correctly, and performance should go through the roof. Ideally this will work on a particularly well endowed non-flying toaster.
>>566317067a drawslave you can have sex with...
Angry
how do you make a fishing game fun?
>>566320406Hello Marcipu
>>566302886
>>566320632I've given up completely on having a main project, I just don't enjoy the stress of needed everything to be perfect so it doesn't flop. I don't even need the money so I live in a perpetual state of side project nirvana
>>56631855830 frames right now for the rough. im an art-let and im putting off detailed sprites for now but i have a few design ideas kicking around>>566319227yeah i probably need to add some level gimmick to try and teach people this is a thing. kicking the turrets is probably a lot harder on the current itch build since the hitbox is smaller and has less active frames
>>566320406Give the fish guns
>>566321081Since you game is pretty curraaazy you should aim for 60, and meme about it in your marketing
>>566320632If your having fun that's what's important anon
>>566320406The fish try and fish you back
>>566321783Meant for >>566320830
>>566320406Make it so you're fishing with big tiddy tomboys and thicc femboys
>>566306370>>566304848thanks
>>566320406Fishing with money on a fishing line in jewyork
>>566321081>im an art-letDisagree, your animations flow nicely and are satisfying even at a low frame rate. At the very least you have good fundementals
>Finally sold another copy
>>566323679Fishing for braphogs with mcdonalds burgers...You can view all your braphogs in your aquarium and feed them to get even bigger and brappier
>>566320406Make them really big fishmonster hunter sized beasts
Going to remake a bunch fo really simple games from 1970 but in raylib and with HD graphics, as an exercise to figure out how to code a game engine in raylib and nim.
>>566326149cris you should be using a no-code or low-code tool like gdevelop
I thought AI would be the missing piece for Cris but evidently nothing can break the Cris cycle.
>>566326382>>566326607my end goal is to make a cave story like pixel, but I think I really enjoy how raylib can create 3MB binaries.most other engines generate binaries that are over 100MB.
>>566300818nunchad delivering once more
>>566326841Cave Story is 137MB
>>566326841I have never seen you post a cave story likeAlso, pixel probably just had the skills he picked up from deving at night after his jap wageslave job, so there's no need to romanticize the process
I ACED MY TEST LETS FUCKING GOOOOOONOW I CAN DEV IN PEACE (until next week's test)
this is considered "game-ready" by artists now, thanks to nanite. better make all your games with nanite or you wont be able to use any assets anymore.
>>566269941I mean, there's some big projects with skeletons in their closets but they really don't like when you talk about them and acknowledge that they're on 4chan =)
i know it's a lot to ask for, but can anybody download the .blend file for this and tell me if the rig is absolutely broken or if i'm just too retarded to use blender correctly?https://www.fab.com/listings/4c7b0092-b1ce-4fd5-807d-5ca11c875819
>>566328473oh yeah we jumped the shark a while ago every single model character and asset is 1m+
Why don't we do a month long /agdg/ gamejam?
>>566329091we used to pretend to do that all the time
>>566327867I've made 2D fighters.to be honest, I'm not so into metroidvanias or action platformers as I am to 2D action rpgs or 2D fighters.
>>566328473I don't use pbrslop
>>566328649I'm not home right now so I can't.Rig could be broken due to incorrect Blender version.
>>566329271Then you should friggin make one bro. Why make what you don't like?
>>566329091you wanna work with these people?
i get angry everytime i have to use blueprints, it feels like a humiliation ritual.
>>566329446Expedition 33 was made entirely in Blueprints without a single line of code.
>>566329446I imagine myself in clown makeup every time I start neatly arranging nodes to remove clutter>>566329550now I think even less of blueprints kek
>>566329446then don't use themor shouldn't have picked unreal
>>5663293912D fighters are very complex to code.Besides, I also want to remake lesser know NES games like pocoyo and excitebike like with kof 13 graphics.
>>566329446I love blueprints so much, I don't care I'm not a real coder, I can finally make games in a way that makes sense to my stupid retard brain.
>>566329550>without a single line of code>look inside>lines of code everywhere
>>566306370can someone dump the other main/side project memes pls
>>566329446What's a blueprint
Is there a reason DD69 is 4 months away instead of 2?>Next: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-69It's usually every 2 months and hosted by Blue9fairy, but not this one.
i think the biggest mindfuck about gamedev is that a game always start with a 3D model of a human, with animations. and that means the start of all gamedev is basically instantly the endboss of art. because humans are the hardest thing to model and animate.
>>566330501
>>566330568>hosted by sexo69
>>566330743kek
>>566330568>DD69 is 4 months awayThe fuck. I've been ripped off.>and hosted by Blue9fairy, but not this one.I guess some joker wanted to steal the 69 meme number but fucked up the date? Do we have a DD 68.5 or something?
>>566330634just stoner nodev thoughts
>>566330209You're a real coder. Its just another programming language that's easier to digest. If programming is a pill blueprints are a pill wrapped in cheese.
>>566242269>release date 2028
>>566245609>>566242269You should find some police chase videos with horrible crash endings and re-create them in your game. Then put the audio over them. Will do numbers on shorts.
>>566246547i bet i could make a 2d GTA game in a couple of months
>>566331448Real coders are using Claude and Codex now thoughbeit
>>566330634You remind me of this retard I unfortunately added on discord, he kept leading me on that he wanted to make a game with me and all he did was hold me hostage listening to all hes shit ideas for a game.
>>566332358Sorry...
>>566332187There is no such thing as coding anymore, it's just prompting now. Learning to code is about as useful as learning assembly.
>>566332187>Real coders are using Claude and Codex now thoughbeitUh brother you reek of curry
>>566241525should i include an anime girl in my game? it seems to improve marketability a lotits a first person perspective tho
what is the topic of your game?
>still playing with blueprint noodle boxes and manually writing code instead of commanding your ai slave nigger while playing ps2 and eating tendiesKEK UNEMPLOYED IDEACHADS WILL NEVER STOP WINNING
>>566333043post a screenshot of the game then ask the question wtf man?
>>566330568Oh, that means I have way more time to make it good!
https://youtu.be/7hAR1ppYPJQ?si=E8gKmCL6Q_SVfGSm&t=238
>>566333267>60yo man wearing cartoon soi shirt
>>566332187>thoughbeit
Made a chartflow peudo UML about my pong architecture.
>only 103 wishlists todayit may be over for me, traction has already slowed to a crawl
>>566329446You do not really have to use it that much if you do not want to. Most of your code can be in C++, and you can use blueprints only for small details.
>>566333267I love Tim Cain he's cute :3
>>566333102Divine Individualism.
>>566333458Sure bro
>>566333102a certain group of individuals destroying the faith of another group
i'll never understand why everybody is a programmer nowadays, yet i have never met a single programmer in real life. actually sometimes i believe we live in a simulation, because so many people own cars and houses yet i can't comprehend what job they are working exactly. i just cannot comprehend what all those people are doing for money. a town has over like 70k people, i don't know what jobs they do all day. i understand that there's some jobs we all know, the classics basically, but if i try to make an estimation only like 2-3k people could be in those "normal classic jobs", there aren't 100 barbers in a town. there aren't 100 doctors. there aren't 1000 cashiers.
>>566333836Yes, this is the Sims but bigger.
>>566333836>posts in a gamedev thread>shocked that programming is frequently discussedfell out of the shopping cart one too many times as a kid?
>>566333745and yours?
as i get older i just want to play simpler games
>>566333836They drilled it into kids heads during the obama days that you needed to be a programmer or you'd be left behind. So a lot of those kids learned programming. That's why I did and some of my friends did for the same reason. Then when those kids grew up and got out of college they pulled the rug out and flooded the country with H1bs and now AI >_<
>>566333836>yet i have never met a single programmer in real life.That's because you're a loser and a failure at life who never goes outside to interact with anyone unless your single mother drags you somewhere.
I've been shopping this idea for a setting around and just wanted to get some opinions: Basically its post-apocalyptic cyberpunk world, where these giant corporations take over after a boom in neural net tech in the 90s and keep the world stuck in the sort or aesthetics of that era of cyberpunk fiction using larger models, but then as the companies grew they start getting into violent conflicts, the workers feeling exploited and the system overall started to collapse.this led to what's called "The Crash" which left the corps destroyed and the world in ruins. now one of the safest places is this giant tower arcology that they built and the survivors are fighting over control of that tower. The player is an artificially made human, manufactured by the Corps to be basically a drone. So the main thrust of this game is the player making decisions based on whether they think our ablilty to rationalize or empathize make us human while deciding the fate of the Tower. The game itself will be an ImSim RPG eith the key feature being the NPC and factions system that acts agentically to other factions, NPC, and the world according to their needs and ideologies. I just think maybe there's not enough here. I have pillars written out for this and those are a bit messy too.
>>566334068Kind of same. I still want to make more complex games though, so my gamedev mind seems to be lagging my gamer mind
>>566334182Didn't read. Start with Pong, faggot.
>>566334162calm down incel chud, stop ringing my door bell
>>566334324I started with missile command. This is a long term project I've been thinking about among others
>>566333102Clawing your way out of the mud with your brothers and sisters in arms with illusions of a better life sold to you by the powers that be to manipulate you for their own interests
>>566334037Post the graph
>>566334482Post your missile command?
>>566334654it doesn't have today
>>566333102I'm between games atm
name one game idea that doesn't include any humans.
It's over
>>566334669To be perfectly honesty its only like 90% done.
>>566334842Pong.
maybe managing expectations with gamedev is so hard, because other things are easier to get into. i can start learning to play piano and just in 6 months i can already be playing really good-sounding tunes. in gamedev it takes way longer to know everything it takes to even just make a basic game.ofc mastering music also takes a lifetime, but your initial results are way faster.also playing some simple, but nice sounding piano tune to other people is instantly rewarding. showing your shitty platformer to people is something nobody cares about.
>>56633496790% done might as well be 0% done. A game that you cannot release and let other people play might as well not exist at all. That last 10% can easily end up taking 90% of development time.
>>566335203unsubscribe
>>566334968post your pong game
Is this really what Gamers crave?
make a new one sissy
the greatest thing about this thread is that i can keep posting and posting and that one faggot who always throws a tantrum about my posts can't make me stop.
>>566335206Yeah ill need to finish it but why would i post it to be judged here. I already know im not that good yet and I dont know what anons can tell me that I might not know
>>566335748Please don't bully zukjeet
>one word post makes him seethe
>>566336141i was talking about you lol. you faggot are the most cliche incel chud i've ever seen and it always makes me smile when you get angry, because you can't make me stop posting lol.
>>566336409>>566336409>>566336409New thread!
