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This thread will be better.
comparison is the thief of joy
let's not shit on this thread this time around, hopefully ggg will give us more content to talk about
>>566595565No seriously, what is Tri's business? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to flame
>>566599169What the Mageblood doing?
>>566599218
>>566599332iirc he works at a digital marketing firm, to no ones surprise i'm sure.
Decided to try out how self cast comet (highest damage spell in the game btw) feels in early progression+3 staff with good other stats, full ele/cold dps treeFully unleashed cast doesn't even kill a rare without frost wall comboBosses require like 10 rotationsMeanwhile any attack build 2-shots all the bosses at this point (end of act 3 / start of act4)I don't feel so good
I hate how weak poe2 skills feel, how slow the combat is, the support gems are so weird too, full of drawbacks
>>566599736green arrow up, save me!
>>566599523You need to infuse it and also multihit with cascade.It won't hit hard with 1 cast unless you really build for that (crit/ailments, stacking gain as extra etc).>Meanwhile any attack build 2-shots all the bosses at this point (end of act 3 / start of act4)The frequency at which you can shit out comets is much higher than the frequency at which you can shit out attacks.
>>566599736My 0.1 gemmy legionnaire did not have this problem...
>cool shield skillwoah nice I can finally pl...>tied to some nigger tier uniquenvm
>>566599736Have you tried playing Spark?
>>566599809Do you think that Gemling will be good this league? considering that the new kalguuran gems exist..
>>566600075No.
PoE2 melee should be like devil may cry/dynasty warriors fusionWhen you equip a sword you should feel like you are obliterating everything with combos of fast slashes and cleaves and thrusts wrecking everything on screen knocking it around to make up for standing in puddles and being hit by projectilesThis 1995 combat of walking up to mob and performing your stupid dinky swing or having to resort to marvel captain america hulk slam smash shit every single time is cringeI better not see duelist just be a jobber who throws his sword or stabs his sword in ground to make earthquakes or summons swords from the sky or gay dumb non power fantasy shit like this. If you're choosing to play with a sword you want to see blood spraying, you want to see your blade on your character actively colliding with shit as it dies and splatters. You don't want to point your sword at the enemy like a want and have them avada kedavra explode. This is homosexual.GGG need to hire some tencent asians or reach out to platinum games or some asian consultancy dev for their combat system and do it from scratch and fuck off whoevers making so many bad melee combat decisions at the company. All of the mace skills are mega boring combat animation wise. Not even one attack is fun and kinetic. It's all earth bender shit.
Its crazy how many skills are tied to uniques now. It's very McDonalds Happy Meal toy coded
>>566600075Gemling got gutted beyond recognition, unless they buff the ascendancy back, I doubt.
poo2 is weird idk if I should choose a skill first and then an ascension that complements it or the other way around
>>566600075isnt it ironic how gemling has nodes specifically tied to colors of gems and making attributes easier to meet and the new gems have 0 attribute requirements nor do they fill colors.
>>566599729extremely real and based take
>>566599791>The frequency at which you can shit out comets is much higher than the frequency at which you can shit out attacks.Self cast? No, not with mandatory +1 second cast time on the gem.Also again: campaign test, no coc, no "crit/ailments, stacking gain as extra", vanilla experience as intended by JonathanAnd i'm using it infused, it's just that bad.
>>566599791>build for that>in campaign
>>566599848You won’t be playing it, which means I’ll be able to play it, which is great
Are there any viable stat stacker builds still floating around, or Jonathan gutted them all after the rapening of 0.1?
>>566600204>When you equip a sword you should feel like you are obliterating everything with combos of fast slashes and cleaves and thrusts wrecking everything on screen knocking it around to make up for standing in puddles and being hit by projectilesSorry, the best we can do is +2.5 second attack timeAlso cyclone is probably gonna be a skill on a 10-20 phys damage unique
>see last thread over 900 replies>maybe they teased something>it's just faggots being faggotsclassic
>>566599729
>>566600620>viable>stat stackerDon't use these in the same sentence.
>>566600620Stat stacking is still strong, just not as absurd as it used to be.
>>566600693https://youtu.be/jsp5NFH5714?si=CEMPNjBFzDP88V-c
poop2 bad
>>566600620>stat stackerI hate these faggots so much in poe1 and 2it's unreal
>>566600470>Self cast?No, not self-cast, but you made an arbitrary limitation, self-cast is not the only form of casting.>no coc, no "crit/ailments, stacking gain as extra"why not? also you have invocations, unleash staves etc.triggered comet spam already comes online in a4.
Idk how to feel about tying cool skills to endgame uniques. On a surface level it seems like a kneejerk reaction to the uniques are boring argument but even past that you're forcing me to play fucking shield wall or rolling slam or whatever for 30h before I get the chance to play what I want. Why not make it a gem and make the shield something that has obvious synergy with it like SST with Emperor's Vigilance. Idk they've shown willingness to expand on concepts like that in PoE1 like making Trauma support so hopefully they do so here as well.
>>566600204>Play melee>The good builds are just you shooting lasers/explosionsIt will be like that.
>>566600945you'll collect your exotic weapons every season and like it
JONATROON
>meleefags
>>566600845>I hate these faggots so much in poe1 and 2>it's unrealWhy?
>>566601060But you can have the same net effect of killing everything on screen, but stylish and physical. Make your character do some bullshit where they dart around hte screen 10 times in a second doing some anime slashes that death by a thousand cuts kill everything.Let you do sword cleaves that actually lunge and push you through everything and slash in a wide huge arc that hits everything on screen with some kinda like extra blade force but things immediately touching your sword get obliterated or whateverI'm fine with some amount of aoe if it still feels like my main hit is connecting and doing real shit and its fun and im not just repeating the same cringe flea bounce animation all over the screen. I fucking hate the way leap slam and sunder look, I hate rolling slam and how needlessly slow it is when the same kind of attack exists in other games like nioh and its fast and brutal and feels nicethey have like a different brain when they design ranger skills like ok so it shoots a zillion lightning bolts from the arrows and it ricochetes and destroys whole screen.Then when they design a melee skill they're like oh no it can't be too wide of a hitbox, that might be useful and hit enemies you wanna hit, let's make sure when you're standing right infront of 2 zombies with your weapon you miss one of them
GGG employee
>>566600945Yeah I feel like they've got it backwards. This is the sort of thing you do once people are getting bored of the default options not before the default options are even in. There is still no build that I want to play in this game that you can play with just the standard uncut gems and rare weapons. Everything fun relies on some endgame farm that you have to do with some miserable bullshit. They should be focusing on implementing the remaining weapons before doing this stuff.
>NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN THEY HAVE FIREARMS IN THE YE OLDEN TIMES?We literally time travel and open portals into new dimensions.
2 won.
>>566600945It's just a continuation of the skills in the ascendanciesGGG is clearly doing all this for more casual players. It’s very easy to get people interested with skills like these, and it kills two birds with one stone: it’s quite simple to build an unusual build around these items, and it gives all those people who only play one character in the league a reason to create another one and play for longer. It’s literally a chase for items aimed at casual players who might not have that much time to play.
>>566601552wtf is this true?
hey jonathan thanks for coming on my youtube channelbtw when i was boss we never missed a schedule and didnt scope creep, in comparison to now where you miss schedules and extended leagues for months
>>566600945It's a good idea, it's just that POE2 is not the right base for that good idea, because it doesn't have a big enough pool of skill gems.Eventually when the game has more gems, it will feel better.I'm only worried that it will actually not have enough gems for like a decade.On a semi-related topic, it's weird to me that POE2 has no trans gems. The game would be perfect for that. Like having Sunder that doesn't break armour and does more damage, or having those jump+shoot arrow skills that don't jump.The "similar skill with modified mechanics" approach would both make the game richer for players, and it wouldn't require them to do a ton of new animations and stuff.
>>566601316missing enemies has no place in an arpg
>>566601681>SunderI meant armour breaker but not like anyone even knows the difference kek, they both suck.
>>566601176It's the most boring scaling vector in the game with the most cookie cutter itemisation and making things that scale off stats not broken with 4k+ of it means that it has to be worthless for every other build. You're deleting vast swathes of design space so people can ctrl c and ctrl v their builds.
>>566601667Yes it's confirmed I saw it on youtube
>>566601681>On a semi-related topic, it's weird to me that POE2 has no trans gems.please for the love of god keep the troons to the first game
>>566601339They are finally reducing the maze layouts? Neat.
talkativetri mpreg
>>566600945It is obvious that Shield Throw/Bash are coming with Duelist/Swords. The only reason it is getting added now is because they have the shield throw animation finished and then they attached a slam to it. I think the shield is fine because I am 99.42% sure that Shield Throw will just be a skill in 1.0. It will either be attached to the shield in a new shield type, or it will just be a gem. I am leaning towards them just being on a new class of shield. Shield Crush might be a gem though.
I like the campaignI like runesI like sekhemas
>>566602162Other than Act 3 I find the campaign fun even after like 10 characters.
>>566602162vased
>>566601339ALL MAPS BUFFED
Any poe2 build thats decent with some gearing, but can reach autistic highs the more you invest?
>>566601947Troon gems are great, it's just the lab farming that's cringe.
>>566602203Act 3 would be great if it was split into two or removed a couple zones from it before you travel to the past
>>566602089>reducing
>>566599169Basically done with D4. First time pushing endgame (T12, pit is boring, 2/3 bosses left at T12). The game being so casual actually made me crave a deeper ARPG. I have like 50hrs in PoE but barely mapped. How is this game? I hear any build can clear endgame, kinda wanted to play as Spearman that uses wind and lightning.
>>566602203Act 3 is on the border between greatness and utter garbage. It could be absolutely enjoyable, but it isn't.
*block ur path*did you just say something bad about poe2, chud?
Really wish mace had some lightning skills. I wanna live the Thor fantasy and Mjolnir is just trash in 2.
>>566602554The original was good but they deleted it to "upgrade" it to PoE 2 and many of us found it to actually be a downgrade in many ways. They've been improving it since but it's got a long way to go.
>>566602632retard
>>566602341Oracle wyvern takes off pretty early due to wyvern being basically broken, and has truly gigantic scaling potential because of Oracle nodes and jewels.https://youtu.be/xZabdwO2vY4this is the best I can spoonfeed you with rn, you can use it as a base to pick up the core scaling and various tech.GuyThatDies should have an easy campaign guide for wyvern.
>>566602584bros... are /ourguys/ rue, jung and darkee becoming irrelevant?
>>566602584jesus this has to be ironic thumbnail or is their editor taking the piss?
>>566602763Holy kino, thanks Anon!
>>566602142trvke
>>566601339They seriously need to unfuck Act3 hard.
>>566601339Actually midwit, the "layouts" is just a minor part of making your runs better, know what to do, what to get, what gives what is more important in the long run, hell, the best time on witch gets stucks in some maps on tier 3 but since he is a beast on other parts of making his run faster he uses the loss of time as a way to get time in the long run.
>>566602763Zaccie here, wyvern is dead on 0.5 patch notes.
I hope they show us the Kalguran skills in one of the teasers, because to be honest, I’ve no idea what to do with them at the moment.
>>566602763>crit build with 32% crit and 265% multi>armor es hybrid instead of pure esI get he is going over it in the guide but holy fuck what a bad setup
>>566603367armour es is good
>>566603430as a build going top right next to ci and es?it's not you're an idiot
benis
>>566603290what about the oil grenade + incinerate combo?
bagina :DDDDD
>>566601780Blame GGG for having no clue how to balance a game. They deleted every other way to power a build but stacking can't be nerfed that much because stacking items are supposed to work and medium investment and getting 4k strength or 15 power charges is an anomalyChris LOVED overpowered chase items with ultra rare drop rates but SURPRISE! He also designed his stupid ass game around player trading so everyone has access to those broken items and they define the optimal power level as a resultAnd guess what? They had one chance to fix this in PoE 2 and the blew it. Because Chris may suck at game design, but Jonathan is completely fucking clueless at it and just badly copies what Chris did without even understanding it, and his brand new mechanics are even worse
>>566603603The game being heavily built around trade is the most genius thing Chris ever did
>>566603513Unerfed, we are touching only things that are popular, Crossbow is mostly untouched EXCEPT for the Last Lament that will get double tapped because tryharders are using it on the offhand to have a good single target skill
>>566603603retard
>>566603717>UnerfedIt's literally bugged because there's no way this intentional interaction
>>566603826retard
>people will run the same map layout given the choice!!!and? why is that a bad thing?
>>566603502you're retarded if you think I'm gonna look at a video
behead ssfniggers
>>566603870stop having fun
>>566603870If it becomes the optimal strategy everyone but uber autists will burn out.
>>566603870Because I spent millions of tokens having Claude create all these maps for you to play, and it would be a complete waste if you ignored most of them.
>>566603890(you) lost, shitcrow
>>566603992look at the item in OPs image that you will never own
>>566603870same reason why it would be a bad thing to let any item go into any slot on your character
>>566603870Another problem solved by the 3-dev team on PoE1, you want to run the same layout? Well, your endgame juice will run out faster because its a RNG which map will consume.I just can't, I think that PoE2 has too many retarded devs that don't play this game enough giving their opinions that end making the game worst at the long run, lets put in perspective:What we got since PoE2 launched on PoE1:>a way to target weapon craft with breach>fixed melee skills against ranged skills>healthiest ascendancy distribution ever>new endgame for everyone, for the blaster, casual and hardcore players
>>566604117Will you give the reason?
>>566604117That sounds like a great idea actuallyLet's do that
>>566602685Should I hop to the game and see what I can do with my build idea or just wait for reset? It will be a very basic monk with spear and evasion armor.
>>5666043530.5 is still weeks away. go for it.
>>566604117I wonder what the best item to stack like this would be. Some combo of unique chests?
The shield skill looks cool. A lot of effort for a unique with unique animations and skills. The shield is massive on tul or esh or whoever. It'd be cool if it was massive on the player, shields feel small but maybe i haven't been paying attention
>>566602763>takes off pretty early due to wyvern being basically brokenthere's no shot GGG will leave oil barrage as it is currentlythat interaction is for sure getting nerfed
>>566604117what?
>>566604503Boots.Gotta go fast.
>>56660450310 bows
>>566604552Already nerfed, it was too much fun, we added a +1.5 second animation for the second part to make it more realistic.
>>566605046When it flys back to you, you have to catch it and it uses your accuracy rating, if you fail to catch it you're heavy stunnedHire me Johnathan
>>566604503belts
>>566604552My only problem is that if we can make it chain/fork/multiple projectiles, if yes, its a fun skill because you can use in any class, if not, its warrior garbage.
>Just saw the newsYep, 2 won.
>>566600945>why are GGG a bunch of stupid niggers?because
>all new skills are exclusive to uniquesWhy? I don't get it, just launch "white coloured" skills that can be used in any weapons THEN the unique modifies the skill to fun, for example I would love to have a shield throw on PoE2, but its exclusive to a unique and limited because it was melee and slam tags.
What's the best way to farm alts for recombing?I've been running Tujen and gambling jewelry to sell with the gold, but I wonder if there's a better way
>>566605530Who cares what you think?
>>566604564firebreath also works fine on that build. wyvern wouldn't be shit even if oil barrage was removed wholesale, you'd just have a slightly shittier campaign.
>>566605530I mean they did launch a bunch of white colored skills at the same time, nothing wrong with some uniques adding skills too
>>566605995wherethe kalguran skills?are those new or just slightly modified existing skills?
>>566606065reminds me of transmuted shit from 1 but we'll see i guess
>>566606065New. They’ve shown a few so far
>>566606159ohmore combo shitdon't care, sorry
>>566605743Div cards.Society's remorse, a sea of blue, and acclimitisation.
>>566606219Your problem
>>566605919Well believe or not I'm the demograph that GGG wanats to sell their product, I have a influential PoE channel in persian that gathers 2 milion views in the weeks after launch, so yeah, I can end GGG carreer at the middle east at any time if they don't cather to my needs.ALSO, I want a Loli with skimp clothing to pick my shards/currency.
What's wrong with equipment skills? It's just an added level of consideration for your build.
>>566606396Equip this!!!
>>566606396Equipment really doesn't have a place in a modern ARPG. The joy is supposed to come from the progression of your CHARACTER not the items you happen to wear.
>>566606357wow, GGG better listen to this guy and add sexy lolis to save poe
>>566606243I'll run my strat on some maps with those cards then, cheers
>>566606672Ensure that you don't have them filtered.
>>566606659Most retarded poster in this thread right now and that's an achievement.
>>566606974Poo2 doesn't even have achievements
>>566606659genius
Palsteron: >0.5 is probably better than the last 3 years of PoE 1 leagues we had. They seriously cooked with this one
>he is a jingakh
>>566607284FUARK doomers btfo.
>>566607284Who cares what he has to say?
>>566607379>implying you aren't
>>566607284
>>566607284>last 3 years of PoE 1 leaguesisn't that like just two leagues or some shit kek
>>566607453Whose opinion should I care about then? Yes, content creators are important and valid to POE.
>>566607634Mine
The thing with 0.5 is that the endgame is by no means "fixed".It is merely streamlined (made easier) with deterministic league mechanic quest progression, which wasn't much of an issue in the first place, people bitching about not finding citadels and the like simply weren't playing much to begin with.They also added a shitton of content, which is cool, but I don't see how this helps the endgame. Anyone who really disliked the endgame is not gonna like it much more now.
>>566607724Who gives a fuck about finding citadels other than SSF cucks?
>>566607724This, niggers are getting dupped on this one, can't wait for the same people that said that "0.5 is goated" saying that is shit and the same boring ass endgame after 1 or 2 months of league launch.
>>566607724They’re fixing it not for people who hate Poe 2, but for people who like Poe 2 but simply found the endgame lacking.
Reminder that Fubgun has already admitted he finds PoE 2 more enjoyable to play than PoE 1, despite him glazing PoE 1 all the time, it's not as fun for him compared to PoE 2
>>566607724Well supposedly crafting is ez modo in poo2 so as long as you can keep playing the game loop of farming to craft and crafting to boss and bossing to farm and farming to boss and bossing to craft and crafting to boss it should be fine.The only thing that will kill it is breaks in the loop where you farm and can't boss or you craft and can't farm.
Unless they heavily nerf ES I think I'm going to roll disciple of varashta sorc again.Really fun active minion play style and I've never felt so tanky on hardcore, especially with the es > armor node.>>566607724if the new atlas isn't a step in the right direction for you then what you're after is a complete copy-paste of poe 1's atlas which they clearly don't want to do, making you not the target audience. Fortress is more or less that now anyway. Also you're doing a post mortem on something that you've only seen in a reveal which is kind of retarded.
I have no idea what to build as my league starter. Throw me some ideas
honestly can't wait to watch quin be miserable for 1-2 weeks before he quits again
>>566608075Zaccie here, avoid the pure int/dex part of the tree, it will be a bloodbath there, we have some surprises on the pure STR part of the tree and the int is getting gutted a little but we have some new toys.
poop of excrement 2?GOOEY consistencyOVERPOWERING stench!make sure to never install!
>>566607970if you only werent a stupid streamer excrement eater, you would realize they will shill anything that brings in views and clicks. and so it happens nobody will watch him play poe1 when poe2 fresh league is out.
>>566608075lightning arrow spirit walker is a no brainer (in both senses of the term)
>>566607970>POE1 LEAGUE IS ABOUT TO GO OFF>THIS POOP STREAMER SAID THAT POE 1 IS BETTER THAN POE 2>POE 2 LEAGUE IS ABOUT TO GO OFF>THIS POOP STREAMER SAID THAT POE 2 IS BETTER THAN POE 1That's why the only good POOP streamer is ben, he says that PoE2 is shite with near poe 1 or poe2 league launches.
>>566607914>but for people who like Poe 2 but simply found the endgame lacking.What's there now, that was previously lacking? Please don't answer "challenges".>>566608069>if the new atlas isn't a step in the right direction for youFrankly it's not my own opinion here that's relevant, I've actually been totally fine with the POE2 endgame already, I'm just trying to gather insights from those who had issues with it.My question is really what's NEW about it>league mechanic quests are streamlined>more items, bosses and content added (good thing, but this isn't a fundamental change, it's just polish)it feels like the exact same atlas, just enriched, so I feel like it's not appropriate to talk about a huge endgame rework. this isn't a rework, the core function is identical.
Imagine rubbing the tip of your penis against Alva's smelly hairy armpits after a intense exploration of the Vaal Ruins... Holy shit bros...
>>566608545you poofters will do anything except having actual sex with women
>>566602832ruetard lol
>>566601339Actually the only announced change to Poopy 2 that I'm genuinely excited for.The only reason Fubgun shills PoE 2 is because there's a knowledge moat that doesn't exist for PoE 1. In PoE 1 he can't outfarm anyone because it's a solved game.
I honestly can't understand not being able to enjoy both games.Is this third world and/or poor neet behaviour? Nothing else makes sense. They even offset leagues so you can bounce between both without burning out. Could NOT be me.
>>566602584genuinely good people and talkative soi
>>566608856>Holy shit! Two poos!
poopee of peepoo
I think 0.5 looks fun
>>566609067not being able to do anything besides piss and shit yourself with verbal diarrhea means that I've won. Bigly.
>>566609165it does for me, but i also skipped 0.3 and 0.4, as i usually do with poe1 leagues
>>566608498>What's there now, that was previously lacking? Progression.
>>566609165Fuck you
>>566608498>What's there now, that was previously lacking?Multi-map goals beyond just pathing. Now that the league mechanics create zones of influence and do cool shit like the ritual boss stacking, there's more continuity to each session than just aimless wandering. Well, in theory anyway. We'll see how it actually feels but that's targeting the main weakness that was there for me.
>>566609243Calm down I was only joking.You can't post the perfect setup and have me not take it.It's wonderful that people can find joy so easily.Miracles happen every day.I too would like to say thank you to grinding gear games and path of exile for always being excellent.God bless.
cringe
>>566608856I only have time for D4(GOAT) and PoE2
>>566609608I don't make concessions with poop posters, you're all equally worthless to me.
tub
wtf is thisThis is just act 3
>>566609856the fracture is insanely strong but it requires a combo so clear speed with it is still sort of slow.
>Oh howdy y'all grab yourself a drink
>>566609948so you're saying it's balanced?
>>566610120Hydrating until league launch
>>566610120
==Exilecon darkroom registration is open on THAT website==Remember that using any type of electronic device in the vicinity will result in permaban.
What happened to TFT?
kys faggot
>>566610131yeah, actually. It's one of the better examples of combo skills done right.Hoping varashta isn't on their radar for 0.5. High damage, high defences. Really good build.
>new unique shield gives 900 armor>GGG said that is nerfing the amount of defences on some itemsArmourstacker bros... I feel like getting 50k armour without heavy investment is dead...
>>566610429they should do the same thing with melee, you should get paid with retarded damage for daring to stand in melee range
>>566610386You would be surprised how many exiles put their wifes to be ironed out on the darkroom.
>>566610120I fucking HEAR IT
>>566610480>Game is still in its "nerf everything" phaseSo glad D4 outgrew this. Enjoy, poocucks.
>>566609948It’s probably not the fastest, but I’m not really sure it should one-shot rare mobs at this stage. It deals more damage with that single explosion than with all the cooldowns on the sand guy, who I also thought was pretty strong.What surprised me most was just how good all these djinn abilities feel.
>>566610570no I wouldn't
>>566609165>>566609289thishaven't played since 0.3 and I can't wait for 0.5didn't play keepers so mirage was a banger
How good is the shield build anyway? I've only seen quin meme shit, but I'm tempted by the new unique. Honestly kinda shitty that they're gating all the new interesting skills behind endgame uniques.
heard there was a new trailerswords status?
>yama the WHITE can be your slave in 0.5.0what did jonathon mean by this?
The grenade launcher seems OP
How do we feel about a bunch of cool skills likely being locked behind rare endgame uniques?
>>566611340>costs 20div in a poverty league in you're path
>be cArn_>the melee guy>unaware of how ridiculously strong earthshatter st isI swear to God all these streamers/youtubers are just fucking grifters
>>566611478variety is good
>>566611478variety is bad
>can't play anything that causes burning ground>can't play anything that causes chilled ground or frost wall explosions>forever forced to play lightning because of potato pcI wish video games had actual settings again that did something for your fps
>>566611490>poverty leaguelmao you're huffing paint nigga, you'll be able to make 20d in 2 hours just doing Atziri rush
>>566611478These are my thoughts
>>566611539This. Diversity is PoE 2's strength!
>>566611158its just leap slam with a different animation and you need to do shit with ice crystals + limited damage due to shield.looks cool but effectively just going to be bad
>>566611529I probably have the most hours of POE2 earthshatter out of anyone and I would never recommend that shit to anyone because it's buggy and the assrape levels of DPS isn't something other skills fail to get anyway.Pretty much every death I had during abyss league was due to being blocked by geography+an abyss pit and being unable to make earthshatter go off and re-activate my leech. And fighting the colossus or skeleton bosses makes me wanna cry, not because it's impossible, but because I have to aim like a CS player to make sure that the rocks don't bug out.
>>566611665>he thinks Vaal Temple isn't being sextuple-tapped into oblivion.
>>566611665>thinks temple wont have any changes beyond snake nerf>thinks he'll be able to get a beacon every mapmmmm paint
>>566611816>most hours on es out of any player>still doesn't understand es is used for st onlykeep going anon, one day you won't be this retarded
>>566611745>act1 is filled with browns in a western land>act 2 is filled with jeets and a blind vitiligo woman>act 3 is filled with indigenous niggers>act 4 is filled with dancing indigenous niggersWhere are the grifters? PoE2 is so woke that is painful.
>>566611838I'd sextuple tap Atziri if you're catching the drift that I'm putting down, know what I'm saying?
>>566611681>known RMTurd fuckbum loves itWow, who'da thunk it?
>>566611478Kinda ass since uniques are harder to obtain than skill gems and people can gouge and manipulate them.Makes it a lot harder to lock in on your character build early in your characters development so you're stuck playing something transient that you don't actually want to play.Hate it when arpgs do this. I don't want to play a fucking bow character every time I pick ranger.
>>566612035I don't get it
>>566611838The Vaal Temple is literally getting buffed (the Atziri rewards room, which already wasn't shabby) and they're adding more reward rooms. The temple is gonna slap when the entire server isn't doing it.>>566611870Just check temple-exclusive loot prices on day 3 of the league. It's gonna be Betrayal 2.0, something that only a few people are running optimally, with items that are forever in high demand.
>I don't want to do X>I don't want to use Y>I don't want tooooooooLiteral baby tantrums
>>566612314I don't want to read your trash posts.
>>566612314Let's if "baby tantrums" are wrong when 0.5 launches with sub 200k players because everyone thinks that the game is still ass.
>>566611478I like it but it sucks not being able to just know who drops that, go there and farm.
>>566611954those are single target situations, and he's 100% right
>>566611954I literally gave you 2 "st" (kill yourself blizzshit) scenarios where earthshatter sucks cock.Go log in to your ES character and do a Hidden Grotto right now.
>>566611838the goal is to make all the league mechanics roughly equal, no?
>>566612448We already know for a bunch of them though.People are gonna spam Deli for RF staff.
ES sucks for st no cap
>>566611478you only think they're only cool because they're locked behind endgame uniques, retardif you could get them at level 1 you'd stop playing to complain about them being bad here within 30 seconds.
I wish Periphery was a spear, not a bow. You know, the weapon that actually uses all ele types. I don't wanna play LA.
what is you're favorite stat, poeg??in, st or de?
>>566612878increased damage
>>566612793You can use periphery as your single target bow and use your spear as your main weaponI already eyed elemental sundering for single targethttps://poe2db.tw/us/Elemental_SunderingPut this down on a boss, then just swap to a bow skill with periphery to spam elemental ailments
>>566612878Life, for berryboy.
was PoE2 a mistake? it's literally just becoming the same game, same design problems, and mistakes, same gameplayI guess PoE still existing is okay to not alienate boomers who don't like change
>>566612971So PoE 2 has>better graphics>better music>better combat>better campaign>better movement controls>better bosses>better versions of PoE 1 mechanicsWhy exactly would I be playing PoE 1 again?
>>566613064you wouldn't
>>566613064Swords.
>>566613064>niggers have to wait 5 seconds to get 2 exalted from a strongbox>better version of PoE1 mechanics
>>566613064something about not wanting to run suboptimal map layouts idk
>>566613064Many people are saying this
>>566613235True
>>566613064>better graphicsThey could've updated PoE 1>musicCould've added it to PoE 1>better combatIt's literally the same>better campaignCould've added it to PoE 1>better movement controlsCould've implemented it to Poe 1>bossessee above>mechanicssee above
0.5 uniques be like
>>566613235>>566613273I'm even saying this in this post. see? "this". I just said this.
>Giving a frogtard any attentionQuadruple retard.
>>566612878only stat that does anything is minion levels
frogKINGS own /poeg/
>>566613616many are saying this
>>566612878Shivers
>>566613616Even me?
>>566613064
Temple just needs to be removed from the fucking game
>>566613982yep
>>566613616whats a frog-build going to look like in 0.5?
i hate poe and poe 2
I like poe and poe2
>>566614540not many are saying this
Let's say I want to move the delve mana mod to a different ring and fracture it, is there a way to do this while making it impossible to lose the mod?I know you can do something like this on armour, but is there a way to do it for rings too?
>>566614610literally how? they are total opposites in nearly every meaningful way
>>566615121imagine liking two different things
>>566611478Good, it gives me a reason other than power or utility to get uniques or build around them, i do hope there is a ezo/kalguraan unique with minion stats on it for my build in 0.5
>>566615182I can't
>>566615447
I like poe ruthless and poe 2
>>566603186what in act 3 do you think needs changed? i can think of a few off the top of my head1. canals drastically shortened or removed2. waypoint directly after napuatzi3. using portal in the past takes you directly to the normal camp instead of making you walk through 4 loading screens every time.4. bigger and better-shaped arena for the big fat stinky incest boss.
maces could be fun if they were at least 50% more faster
>>566615590They would lost their ompf and power fantasy then
>>566615538personally i just hate the map before apex of filthwhat a miserable place.also i would make canals like 4 rooms long but with a shit ton of enemies all piling in on waves so it actually FEELS different
i wonder if you can determine what the socket is on rings from the breach tree
>>566615530Finally someone gives the correct answer
>>566615683don't care nigger, I wanna have fun
>poe 1>poe 2>d2r>diablo 3>diablo 4>grim dawn>last epoch>ghost lore >tq2 eventually it’s a good time to be an arpg fan bros
>>566615856based
>>566615856The only one of these even remotely interesting right now is Diablo 4 with LoH.
>>566615590play abyss lich, prada uses boneshatter as a movement skill he has that much attack speed
>>566615819why not play quarterstaff or spear if you want a fast melee
>>566615590no, a 2h mace should have a massive bonus to AOE, to match the bullshit bonuses extra projectile some bows/crosbows get
>>566615819I have fun smashing enemies with big chunky slower hits. If you want to have fun being faster just use swords, daggers, and claws instead of shitting all over our maces.
>>566615964>qtboring skills>spearno one plays melee spears anon
>>566616061retard
>>566615856why are arpgs all fantasy? where’s like steampunk or scifi? does the ascent count?
I play SSF in trade league to use the currency exchange and not trade
Dr Pooper.
>>566616331>to [trade] and not tradehmm...
>>566616154R E T A R D>>566616284sci-fi sucksGrim Dawn is steampunk
>>566615740>4 rooms long but with a shit ton of enemies all piling in on waveslike you're opening the floodgates of enemies. i like it.
Breach Tree should only give Rings, its thematic >>566616384yes
I play SSF in SSF league
its so strange to see this place defend poe2 so much. its like reading the d4 forums.
>>566616898Go back then?
>>566616898Reddit might be more suiting for you
I play trade leagues and I almost never trade, but I like to have the flexibility
>>566615039First thing to find out is if that is prefix or suffix rarity, or both.If it's suffix this might be easy, if it's prefix this requires some gamba.
>>566615856i'm looking forward to Darkhaven, too. some of the big hitters of D2 working on it, including phil shenk and eric schaefer.
>>566617116i play what i like to call solo sell-found, where i play trade league and sell shit for currency to craft my own gear. i only buy 1 or 2 items a league, usually some obscure-but-rare unique i need for some shitty homebrew i'm working on.
>>566617164The mana mod is an isolated prefix
>>566604147>a way to target weapon craft with breachno you didn't
I didn't think I'd like the simplification of the map items in Mirage, but it might actually be my favorite change of the league.
>>566615856>>566616284What about 40K Inquisitor?
>>566616898>defendsaying the most retarded takes on poe2 design are retarded is just common sense.
>>566616284sci-fi is hard to do deep, complex itemization for because it's basically all guns; you end up with something like borderlands.
>>566600204>Attack speed: 80% of base
>>566618036>it's basically all gunswhy do you think that? sci-fi is made up. you can make up anything you like.Dune for example, does not have this problem. neither does warhammer, or lancer
>>566611478Gay as fuck. Insult to injury. Not only is the campaign long as FUCK but you can't even play your build during it
>>566602554PoE2 is fun and the big update on the 29th is the perfect excuse to start playing. Spears are really strong.
>>566618319ohhh nooo its just like poe1 where you also pick a leveling build to 90 and then swap to your actual build
>>566618592noooooo rolling magma is le kino its le different
>>566618592it takes less time to get to 90 in poe 1, and is more fun
>>566618762Takes like 9 hours to get to level 80 in poe 2, maybe 12 hours to get to level 90
>>566618762its about the same amount of time>poe1 more fun to levelnow you're just lying
>>566618592No it's not. You CAN play most builds way before 90 in PoE1. Some people choose not to do that because they're autistic and care more about finishing campaign 30 minutes faster than having fun.
who the fuck swaps at 90
>>566607724>mandatory 3 hour onboarding quest before you're allowed to actually get loot from your chosen mechanicIf anything the changes make things worse
>>566599169DOG SHIT OF EXILE 1NO CONTENT OF EXILE 1DOG SHIT OF EXILE 2BLOATED BEFORE 1.0 OF EXILE 2
>>56661921490 is day 1 or 2? big deal?
what build would she play?
>>566619813vfos
>>566619005yea 9 hours starting from maps, AFTER the 20 hours campaign slog.
>>566619943LmaoIts okay if you're a shitter just dont assume the rest of us are
>>566619725to get to 90 quickly you either have to have a build capable of doing at least low reds, or you have to grind white maps for 15 hours. in either case you're a fucking retard if you aren't even playing your "real build" by that point.
>>566617329Been researching this for half an hour and idk.I think this will involve beast locking a regal prefix you can knock out with a crafted mod but I don't know if this works in 3.26+ because it's saying exclusives don't inflate the mod pool.People do this with essences I think but I can't find anything written on it.Sorry.
Dads are complaining about the campaign again
they should seriously nerf shield wall
>>566620278Thanks for looking into it at least - I have a decent grasp on most other ways of crafting, but the recombinator still fucks me up, especially after they changed itI'll see if I can figure something out, I'd hate to lose the mod
>>566620735>he doesnt know
>>566619813whatever fubgun tells me to
>>566620735i agree, buff shield charge though
Who the fuck is Destin? Why does he get interviews every league?
assuming i want to play the new wardsissy skills:how do i stay alive?2700 armor brass dome converts into 900 ward, so even stacking high defense on gear you would only have like 2k ward with no armor or evasion and die in one hit
I always struck me as strange how in poe2, all the conventional feminine women are only to be found in act 1, and the rest of the game is plagued with with unlikable masculine dykes or quirky retards. The men on the other hand are either absolutely bland, or, like Doryani, completely feminized. The fucking bog witches are cuter than almost all female npcs just because they show a bit of personality when they decide to team up against the players mid-fight, or when the fire witch falls off her broom, stumbling across the floor.
>>566622259Stalking panther on amazon, i already know im going brass dome ward version
I play for she
>>566622259that just made me think about CI + shit like bypass ES nodes, that wouldnt instantly kill you now, i do hope they nerf ES either way
>Man, the crafting bench is so stinky lol. I bet I, Jonathan Rogers, could do away with such an inelegant system in my new game, Poop of Excrement 2>Ah yes, 400 runes that do the same thing but now clutter your inventory. Wonderful.People don't hate on Jonathan enough and I mean that genuinely.
you failed again, loser shill
>>566613306>couldvebut wasnt and never will bepoo1 lost
>>566622606bench is soulless thoughbeit
I think Jonathan is doing a good job desu
>>566622324nigga a2 has>Asala (a fucking bimbo)>Risu (built for breeding)>Balbala (gilf)>snakewomen
>>566622694Soulless is a better alternative to outright dishonesty by forcing players to buy tabs to not get drowned in 6 gorrilion runes
>>566622606retard
>>566622259They said that there will be runes and other sources of Ward, so you can probably get a decent amount. Keep in mind there WILL be a unique from this league that is gonna forge into a fatty ward item or buff ward in some way.
>>566622439Thats a man
>>566623190SOFT
>>566623190HARD
>>566620278>>566620949Doesn't look like there's too much to do on a ringThe reason you can do it on armour is that you can essence e.g. Evasion rating onto an ES base, but the evasion mod won't be an essence oneFrom what I can see, there's no way to put a mod that will fill the slot but won't be able to be present on the final item, on rings at leastI was going to try the PoE2 style recomb, but the best odds I could get was 50%If I just do 2x 1p items I at least get a 66% chance for the mod to survive, and a 50/50 for it to pick the right base
>>566622727>Asala masculine dyke>Risu cute voice, but designed after followers of the desert pig-demon allah, straight into the trash>Balbalamasculine dyke>enemy npcsthat was my previous point. the monsters that are there for the player to kill emanate more cuteness than the friendly hag or masculine female npcs ever could. poe2 seems to know only two type of npcs: women that act like men, and utterly retarded men. whoever wrote this shit made sure to create npcs that are insufferable.
>>566623608>masculine dykethis nigga sees a single strong eyebrow and his brain instantly goes to faggotrylook inward
>>566623608retard
>>566622606This game is meant to be containment. If you want to spend half your time sorting your inventory and the other half buying items because none will drop, this is the game for you.
Just started practicing campaign in PoE 2 again and i forgot how fucking ugly poe 1 is in comparison to PoE 2
>>566623190While not exactly mpreg, it would not surprise me if they found pieces of an infant inside him.
>>566624609
>>566624552>If you want to spend half your time sorting your inventory and the other half buying items because none will droppeak arpg gameplay tbqfh
>>566623991That's a nice assumption you got there, but I see a woman acting like a masculine dyke. Sorry that you're blind.>>566624061>seething at the truthalways happens when you call dogshit design out.
>>566625197retard
>>566624061>>566625369retard
brownoid /v/ tranny got lost
>>566625412retard
>>566625369>>566625412>>566624061>>566623034retard
>>566625442retard
>call out dogshit npc design and point out how unlikable they are>immediate tranny meltdownI'm gonna remember that in the future
>>566625798>>566625805genius
why did Chris leave ggg? was he just tired of all the bullshit? how big was his bag from Tencent?
>>566625805retard
its over for niGGGers
D4 won bigly
>>566626692poe 2 endgame will make you want to play the game endlesslyd4 endgame makes you want to end the game because it's so derivative and boring LOL
since we are talking about NPCs, has a4 any interesting ones, like, at all?
>>566627785Meeting the expedition squad again is coolI like the sharkfin soup lady too
Well... what about hte other game (PoE1)? Any news? Dates? Teasers?
>>566628208retard
>>566622259tiddys
>>566623190idgi
>>566628208EOS announcement at exilecon
>>566628070for some reason I thought you referred to the cauldron keeper in apex of filth and I agreed with you for a second
>>566628208nobody gives a shit about that old and busted beta anymore
>>566628208Check back 5 months later.
Playing poe2, trying to do my own build of like a necromancer witch. Do minions get bonuses from my stats like +% to fire damage if i use the arsonist command ability, or is it only specifically the Allies/Minions/Command modifier that helps with damage?
I'm already dreading running 2's campaign again on a fresh character
>>566628625finally
>>566628752No, unless it says minion then it doesn't affect your minions.
>>566628752I have no idea how anything works in this game, I just equip yellow items and then rightclick red npc. I have 2000 hours so far.
>>566599332Digital marketing for poe2
>>566602763Oracle is complete doesn't. Wyvern on a ritualist or amazon mogs it completely
What will 0.5’s trade league breaking exploit be that sends leddit up in flames?
>>566603430Literally the worst defense per gggs metrics
>rue live for 8 minutes>bitched about too many socketables, bitched about cool skills tied to uniques, bitched about handcannon being immersive breaking in a medieval video gameGenuinly why does he even stream the game that he clearly hates so much? Just stick to PoE 1 and forget PoE 2 exists. Like what is your problem why make yourself unhappy playing something you dislike
>>566606396It's the opposite of unique design that all9ws interesting playstyles or interactions. Like set items, uniques with a skill built in occupy a space of "you must wear this to do this". It's inflexible and boring and doesn't act as a puzzle piece like other unique items that alter playstyle
>>566602584poe2ers really aren't sending their best...
>>566610480They said the were buffing armour and evasion retardbro
>>566630194worst equipment base*If you're doing pure ES with armor you're insanely tanky, but you're generally stacking as much ES as possible and then adding in armor some other way.
>>566630628Armour and evasion doesnt need buff, life needs buffWhy are they so retarded
>>566630389Bro u should tell him that he needs to hear it from a friend
>>566630690it doesnt though, stop standing in slams
>>566631042Nobody dies to slams, people die to some bullshit like after death effects while you're lootingES doesnt care since they all go CI
I haven't been playing poe2 very long, is the stuttering normal? I'm pretty sure it's not my hardware framedropping.
>>566599736Half skills need a minor buff. Half skills need a rework/design pass.They shouldn't have caved on letting you use the same supports across different skills; they just needed to fill out the Support gems as well as refining/buffing the ones they did have.I really am bummed they copped out on all their actual good ideas just because they were too half baked for EA and it was easier to scrap em than to follow through and make em work.It's such a shit feeling because i swear the dev build is years ahead of the EA build, they're just holding shit back so they can have more content for league after league and sell more packs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtCtwtP1W4>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtCtwtP1W4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtCtwtP1W4>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtCtwtP1W4ITS FUCKING UPPPPP!!!!!
>>566631194nobody dies to death effects in poe2, you are conflating poe1's shit SC zdefense builds that go so fast they run into offscreen shit
>>566631412thank you zz raaan
I have not once touched Hive Breach.
>reheated STRUCTURED bloat slopooohh thank you jonathan
Bros what are our thoughts on tri's emo cut? Should he go back to his dorkier look?
>>566600204I just want a martial class, can be fists or swords, that plays a bit like Absolver. Where each skill ends in a stance and that stance changes how the each skill works.
>>566632059Nah he looks legit hard rn. I wouldnt wanna meet him on the street at night the way he looks rn
>>566631412he's just going over the announcement, wtf zizatroon
uhhh someone explain how to do the temple
EA is great if you want your game to garner no attention at all. "New league" means nothing to normalfags. They only jump when they hear "new expansion". I know because I'm a semi-normalfag, an eternal tourist if you will, and after I was done with poe1, not a single new league brought me back, because in my head, "new league" means "some new mechanic we stapled on top of the game that nobody really cares about besides gaining currency from it".Blizzard, may their souls burn forever in hell, do at least this one thing right: Gameplay expansions are important events. The next PoE2 league will not bring any big players numbers because GGG will just casually drop it like it's another minor patch, you can quote me on that.
>>566600218The two Palm of the Dreamer Uniques are pretty bad. But i think it's the general issue of creating walking skills that just do the work for you, like the bear skill or the druid skill that just cover the screen in projectiles. Uniques having skills would be fine if they were just interesting skills and not goofy shit.
>>566632291to be fair, most people wouldn't to want to meet him at all
>>566630690They said they view es as a defense type internally not as a health pool. Legit that is what they said. They want to bring the other defense types up to it before buffing lifeYes they are retarded
>>566632350All good g, but why dont you post that in the d4 general instead
>>566600236Skill first if you're a newb. Ascendancy first if you fuck.
>>566632492Heh
>>566632497And they are mostly right, the only thing that elevates ES where it is now is the fact that it got overly strong recovery options. If it's gone, things will change drasticallyIt's mechanically a "defense" too already. Any "reduced defense" mods apply to ES, but not life
melee spear buffed 0.5?
>>566600426To spend the resources to make a combat system like that would gut the resources they put into the rest of the game. There's a reason those games are very Arcade-y and everything outside of the fighting system is bare-bones.It wouldn't work, you tards. And Dynasty Warriors is ass.
>>566632795Spears are just swords on sticks so no
>>566623608>AsalaBuilt for domination loss porn>RisuBuilt for handholding>BalbalaBuilt for rape>AlvaBuilt for all 3
>>566632330>build to architect for good rooms/atziri unlock>build to those rooms for loot
>>566632826great headcanon
>>566632743why did they reduce "you have no energy shield" in sekemas to only be -50% but keeping armor and ev at -100%
so how does the spirit walker taming trait actually work? can you have 1 rare + 1 boss or is just one of either?also fuck this drip feeding of info. cant even plan ahead decently because they are holding off on showing tree changes and uniques.
>>566633092The guy you replied to will have some nonsense response to this complete takedown. They arent treated the same
>>566633009>AlvaI cannot imagine what kind of testosterone-deprived man would write dream up such a deranged """person"""
>>566612971PoE2 is only really a mistake because of GGG falling into the same fucking pitfall everytime they push out new content>dude what if PoE1 content, but le SLOWAnd it's fucking terrible everytime. I like the new animations, the graphics are great, I like that the campaign actually has things to do. I don't like that everything feels like it's running on molasses on purpose and that it's just Blue Life again but those last two are pretty easy to remedy without compromising the game's identity.Also buff ground loot if it's supposed to be important, ground loot is still worthless
>>566622324>a1Normal town >a2Schizo slave traction city>a3Retarded archeologists going to die in a jungleNormal women only being in a1 makes sense to me
>>566601681The game does need 1 or 2 skills added at every tier and the supports need serious design pass/overhauls as well as a big fat handful of more supports, but not too much more than that.It's like w/ the Runes, we don't need over a hundred more of chatgpt slop; we need the ones we have to be designed more intentionally.
>>566633251too be fair, i didnt even read, i just saw ev, es and armor being talked about
>>566632507because I have not and will never play corpohomo nu-blizzard games. despite all its flaws, I think PoE is a better game than anything blizzard has shat out in the last 2 decades.
>>566633591You literally admited to having played PoE 1 once and then dipped, and you arent interested in leagues
>>566633485>we don't need over a hundred more of chatgpt slopwhen it comes to skills, I'd take that. it's better to have too many than too few.
>>566633345the problem is not that these people aren't normal - they are either uninteresting or insufferable. if your NPC is about presenting an objectively retarded culture as normal, then your writer has no idea what he's doing and should be replaced. if your NPC is just a boring plank, then you should consider firing your writers and just save money by making the NPC mute.no matter how you look at it - if your NPCs are unlikeable retards, you are breaking immersion, making the experience less interesting, and making it easier for players to disengage from your game and never pick it up again.
>>566634051Oh, yeah, that's true. I hated basically all the npcs and it didn't even register to me because I've hated the npcs in near every game I've played the last few years
>>566602848They are marketing directly to their core audience. What don't you understand?
>>566633263>psychotic aztec-descended cutie kleptoShe's perfect.
>>566633485ggg have learned what not to do from poe1.>more skills every tieryou do not need to add a bunch of bloat like poe1 did. we do not need 30 different flavors of autoattack, its why the basic attacks in poe2 are all 'good'>runesretard
>ggg have learned what not to do from poe1.
>destroy mjolners until you get 3 +4 to lightning skills runes>put those runes into 3 socketed mjolner>+16 to all lightning skillsThere is no way this shit wont be broken
>>566607724This. I was expecting an actual overhaul of the endgame/atlas, not doubling down. Like i didn't expect them to just trash the pieces, but implement them much more creatively than... this shit. They should have gone w/ the Charts idea some dude had from the forums and built off that base.
>>566633730>You literally admited to having played PoE 1 onceWrong. I played it from closed beta up until the new campaign release. I'm not interested in "new mechanic slapped on top of the game to make it wider". I'm not saying I'm not interested in leagues, I'm saying that the whole leagues thing is every effective at hiding content from the public eye. "New league" means literally nothing to most people. "New expansion" tells every normalfag exactly what they need to know: new fucking content, and a lot of that hopefully.
>>566634889it's ok for high investment strategies to be broken
The Cannon crossbow is going to be absolute niggershit because your single target damage is going to tank without Rapid Shot.
>>566634991I dont care that you played the game a decade ago. Go tell it to the d4 general
I decided to give PoE 2 a try. Reached the third Ascendancy trial and saw that I had to do 3 floors of Sanctum. I uninstalled :)Fuck that game.
>>566635105nigga no one uses rapid shot on grenade builds, and you can weaponswap to a second crossbow anyway
>>566635142just pay for a carry like you do maven every league
>>566635183>exilecon approaches>all streamers go full glaze mode to avoid getting the blacklist treatment
>>566635272i dont play poo1
>>566635272You can out-dps Maven. The Sanctum stuff is just pure bullshit. A roguelike bullet hell in my ARPG? Fuck that. I will never give my time and money to GGG with that game. I'll stick with PoE 1, thank you very much.
>>566635139No, I won't.
>>566635326boring tool
>>566635389glad we agree, stay in poe1
>>566635142>>566635389poe2 sanctum is piss easy compared to 1. casually getting a 50+ div drop from doing your ascendancy is just the cherry on top.
>>566635183when will him pretending to be a woman go away
>>566635512baby is mad respectable human wont touch his toy made out of shit? you gonna cry little baby? you gonna cry because i dont want to play with your toy made out of shit? please dont cry.
>>566635686>>566635697Okay. Have fun with that. No sweat off my brow. Poo2 fanboys wanted me to give it a try. I did. It sucks. Poo2 should frankly just have been a completely new game and/or franchise. It has nothing to do with Path of Exile or The Vision at all.
>>566634532>ggg have learned what not to do from poe1.Right, like melee being bad and ranged skills being-wait wait, no, we mean like ascendancy trials being a massive pain in the-hold on, no, surely we mean minion builds being absolute dogshit where you use a bomb-centric specter and everything else is-nononono wait, maybe they finally realized that ballista totems are kind of awfu-but SURELY they've done something about every hating dogshit map layouts and oneshots and-
>>566634889>this rune type has a limit of one per character
>>566635849I did not want you to play PoE2. You wanted to play it, and then you got cucked by sanctum, making you pull up 4chan with a sweaty brow and complain about it.
>>566636027Joke's on you. I completed it. Found it tedious and pointless. Then I uninstalled.
>>566635858melee is the strongest at all points in the gametrials are absurdly easythere are a large variety of insanely good minionsballistas are one of the best ways to use grenadesoneshots are a skill issue>map layoutsi think we already established you have never played poe2, so feel free to keep enjoying running strand the rest of your life.
>>566636184>melee is the strongest at all points in the game
>>566636184Hi Pirate.
>>566636184>ballistas are one of the best ways to use grenadesGo try to play Ballistas the way GGG intended (Tactician) and come back and realize just how fucking god awful the playstyle and damage is
>>566636184>melee is the strongest at all points in the game>trials are absurdly easy>there are a large variety of insanely good minions>ballistas are one of the best ways to use grenades
>>566636084>Found it tedious and pointlessgood thing you quit now, you would have likely killed yourself if you ever reached endgame of any ARPG. enjoy your freedom, mate.
>>566636184Many are saying this
>>566636395played a basically grenade only build exactly that and completely slaughtered everything, so you are incorrect
>>566636425I have 8000 hours in PoE 1 and enjoy it very much. I have forgot more about the game than you will ever learn.
Rue says reverse chill bow is the best build in the game, is he right? I couldnt find any guide for it
>>566636084doing ultimatum instead would have been too difficult 4 u :)
>>566636643no need to flaunt your retardation so openly after you were given the benefit of the doubt.
>>566636574>grenade onlyThat isn't the way its sold. At all. GGG wants you to take the dogshit notable that makes it so you need to attack for the ballistas to attack (defeating the point of autonomous damage), then slot one of every reasonable totem you can muster, only to reward you with 250k dps on a good day. You could quintuple the damage of Siege Ballista and Artillery Ballista and it'd still be worse than just shooting things with le funny chain lightning shotgun. For reference, slotting Oil Grenade and shooting something with Incendiary Rounds deals like 1m dps in SSF gear.
>>566636643>same map same build>for 8000 hours>enjoys itwell obviously you hate poe2 you are completely mazed
>>566636702Eat up.
>>566636395tactician levelling builds all recommend using ballista as well. the fact that they keep doing damage while you dodge makes up for any DPS shortcomings.
>>566636184>melee is the strongest at all points in the gamejonathan is that you
>>566636815what does that have to do with the post saying ballista is bad
>>566636818Kek
>>566636643I think you have 8000 hours pretending to have played video games on social media, adding up to a total of 16000c
>>566637007You just got shut down so bad that you have to resort to personal attacks to try and save face. Enjoy Poo2. It's built for the likes of you, D4 tourists.
>>566636653Probably polcirkeln spiral volley deadeye. Old 0.1 build but you put on asphyxia's wrath and the reverse chill chest.
>>566636974Because the only real use for a ballista is a hit build cheating out grenades with Mortar Launcher and that is about as much a 'Ballista Build' as a Sorceress is a 'Minion build' because she uses SRS at level 10.
>>566637129maybe dont be personally retarded and you wont get personally attacked
if you cant post an item you own worth at least 1 mirror you shouldn't be allowed to post itt
>>566637214Bla bla bla bla.. Anything else?
>>566637202>thinking ggg is going to allow you to just put totems down and kill stuff for you with no support from youAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHHA retard
>>566637241also items outside of ssf dont count for obvious reasons. you go first I wait
>use Kalguuran reforging to make new Breach shield into a Buckler>blow up Ice Tipped-Arrows Crystals with it for FREE cdsI will now play this league
>>566637343that playstyle is retarded.
>>566637343>Whoa whoa whoa, you tooled your passive tree, skills, ascendancy, and weapon around totems and expected them to DO SOMETHING???Totems also need to be placed, need significant investment into placement speed to not be 300x slower than a regular build, and need investment into survivability so they don't implode when a boss uses a basic attack. I'd agree that a build with autonomous damage (like brands) should deal less than a build that requires you to go in, but the issue stands that taking the node that specifically nullifies that and forces you to shoot before the totems can shoot just renders you into a regular crossbowtard, but now you also have to place down totems (with all the downsides) and still generally deal less damage than any fucking ape using Shockburst Rounds.Now sit down and shut up, pajeet, you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>566637129>personal attacksdon't be dismissive of what you do for a living bro. if you can feed your 14 indonesian kids with that money any reasonable person would support you doing it.
(You) farmers are awake, I see. People that don't even play the game(s) think their opinion matters at all.
>>566637650holy fucking trvke
>>566637201How did you reverse chill pre 0.4? Did you just have to get hit by enemies
>>566637202If that sorceress uses SRS at level 90 and they contributed the majority of the build's damage, then yeah it would be a minion build.
>>566637202how much attacking is a minion player allowed to do before they stop being a minion player?
>think about playing some poe2 spear shit>remember what a slow piece of shit my character is for the first 90 levelsyeah.. no
>>566637650>boohoo stuff has to be invested in to be goodyou seem to be complaining about the whole PREMISE of game balance.
>>566638130On the other hand that's pretty much every character
Totems should be weaker than pure melee, they have to pay the safety-tax.
>>566637938>>566638067No mortar is dealing 'the majority of the builds damage' lmao. Even then, people STILL fire their greandes themselves, they just let it use Cluster because Cluster is genuinely fucking worthless and they might as well let something else do it. They even throw Conc Effect on it because it isn't clearing fuckall and only helps during bossing. Also, even with the boost, it maybe fires off two clusters. You're telling me thats a 'ballista build'? Placing down one that does a supplemental fucking thing and ceases to exist? Do you niggers even play the game? Do you use crossbows?>>566638208This nigger gets told a skill is bad and starts seething. Hes right, Jonathan. Seethe about it.
Rue shitting on kinetic fusillade and Lolcohol and Snoo (for shilling Twisters) right now
>there are people unironically trying to make totem builds stronger than self cast builds
>>566638208Just admit you got blown out by someone that actually plays the game, dude.
>>566636395>>566636574>>566636815>GGG wants you to take the dogshit notable that makes it so you need to attack for ballistas to attackNo, you really can just run them raw. That said, totems slow and clunky to run since only the grenade totem actually pops out damage. Compared to the ballista totem in PoE1, this playstyle is just kind of ass to play even on a good day. Great defense and DPS cause of stun nodes, infinite reservations, other good buffs, but it's quite a slog.
>>566638381what about screen wide ranged spells... why do those get to be stronger than melee?
>game balance>comet 27%
>>566638208You lost
>>566614368https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAjxlTVgloE
>>566638653>You can just run them rawlollmao, even
>>566633076Retard>>566633128Retard>>566633092Because GGG is staffed by Retards.
>>566622259Defiance of Destiny
>>566638971n-no, no no, this doesn't count, ballistas are actually good, they're good, people just don't know how good they are i swear
>>566637925You didn't.
>>566638971>look people arent playing old skills in an early access league where the only new thing is new skills!retard, show numbers for 0.3
okay okay okay hear me outwe design an ascendancy node that makes you stand still leaving you completely vulnerable to cracked zerglings, I mean white mobs, degens and any sort of aoe damage, and get this, you get to clear in your close radius every half a second or so 1 (one) mob at a time. retards will POG out in the reveal joanthan!
>>566639261>old skillsLike comet?
>>566639375>not pretending
>>566639261So Comet and Spark aren't going to be used at all, right? Because those are old skills? If I go check, they won't be each sitting at 20% use?
pathfinder. chill/slow immunity, 50% less movement speed penalty, stun immunity while sprinting, additional skill points, 80% elemental damage reduction once you have a lot of evasion. ok now tell me why this is a bad ascendency. give me your thesis.
>>566639375There aren't any comet builds, they're all CoC builds.
>>566639541Because concoctions are no longer cool and poison is a meme archetype
What am I supposed to do for 2.5 weeks
If Mortar Ballista is actually a Totem build, then CoComet is actually self-casting. Sorry, chuds, I don't make the rules. >>566639554>they're all CoC buildsAnd as we all know, CoC is a brand new thing that wasn't in during 0.1, right?
>>566622156I still have no fucking clue but he's the best GGG interviewer so far, simply by being a reasonable adult and not an autistic manchild. So i am fine with him getting an interview every league launch.
>>566639651what does meme archetype even mean you can also just pick the additional skill points. thats going to be the play anyway with how strong voices are. you dont sound very convincing. your take is shit.
>>566639375GOTTEM
>>566639375bodied that freak.
>>566639541It's probably what I'm doing and I'm gonna try to do some sort of dot build. Maybe run and gun incinerate.
>>566638652I'm not the same person he was talking to
>>566624609Many are thinking this.
>>566639654learn to poop in a plastic bottle without spilling, report results and progress
>>566639681ggg are probably going to nerf coc more, and are considering how to rework grenades so they aren't one of the only speedrunning builds but bad endgame.
>>566625926Everyone of the OGs got their bag when 10c bought em out.Chris was just the only one who recognized his baby isn't his baby anymore and stepped away to have time to gestate his own baby again and hope this time it doesn't become too compromised by outside voices.He didn't want to be Company CEO, he wanted to be Lead Dev. GGG simply became too big for what he wanted from the remainder of his Professional Working Years.
>>566640341so chris is basically a megalomaniacal control freak. interesting
do people not realize all the new runes arent global drops? you're only getting them if you specifically go do expeditions in the ocean.
>>566640591>league specific dropsbloat
>>566630389Because he decided to become a slave to the algorhythm. So he has to keep up the dance w his audience.He has to farm for engagement as much as possible or he is as good as DEAD.dance monkey, dance!
>>566640591this league there'll be an encounter every mapnext league it'll go core and it'll be possible for them to spawn randomly in a map if you use any irradiated tablets, like any league.
haven't played since 0.1, whats the potential lazy minion build for 0.5? i had witch with like 18 skeletons and 25k ES and it was comfy
>>566640795pohx.net
>>566630389the poor streamers have 3 weeks to fill
Is there any build as fun as D4 Lunatic Warlock in PoE2?
>>566640292>and are considering how to rework grenades so they aren't one of the only speedrunning builds but bad endgame.No longer works with multiproj. Now only works with 'additional grenades' which you can only get on crossbows and on that one node in the tree that comes with a downside. That node gets buffed to +2 to compensate, but now you are basically forced into investing in that and the reduced fuse node.>But thats so hamfistedAbout as hamfisted as the keyword cancer that exists in the Martial Artist and Wildspeaker Ascendancies.Spit on Rangerniggers on the way out for good measure.
>>566640549That's quite the retarded extrapolation to make. Please stop.
>>566640756in the campaign yes, in maps they are limited to the ocean only.
>>566640865is he one of us minionchads now or is it raven related? i'm more of a kripp type of guy myself...
>>566640341I am really curious, but also worried about his new project. "From the creator/visionary of ..." is one of the biggest death sentences of a game in the industry.
>>566631317It's their shitty networking code. The server configurations are sometimes/oftentimes ass too. But i am pretty sure the constant stuttering is GGG incompetence. Remember everything is vibecoded first and only fixed maybe sometime later.
>>566632492Many are agreeing with this.
>>566640981source?
>>566632350Many are saying this guy is a retard.
>>566632795Got buffed in 0.4, i don't see why it wouldn't get another balance pass for 0.5
Melee should do at least 2x damage compared to ranged and 5x compared to shit like minions or totems.
>>566641921It does
>>566607379
Yo, i am thinking about giving GGG some moni because i enjoyed playing ssf bear. But all current supporter packs are kinda lame imo.Can you post some good supporter packs (in your opinion) that you purchased so i would know what a baseline for quality is.
30 new maps is a underrated huge update, also i think that when you get the fragment for the new tower boss 1st edict thing once you recomplete it each time it should reset the special maps inside the walls and randomise what you get
>>566641921correct.
>>566641982I didn't realize comet was a melee skill.
Is revealing the entire map of a grand heist a waste of time?
>>566641992>30 new maps>all of them are miles long mazes>you know what, fuck it, prison is an actual map now together with the slowing tide
If they are going to bring all the mechanics from PoE to Poo2, why not just upgrade the first game and run with it instead of wasting millions on the "new" development?
>>566642156retard
>>566642156genius
>>566642151retard
>>566642156they borrowed poe1 as placeholders because its better to have poo than nothing. now all the poe1 remnants are gone and poe2 is its own game.
>>566642149CoC is an outlier
So what's going to happen to Arbiter? Gone forever?
>>566642156midwit
>>566642567Backported to PoE1.
>>566642567most of the 'old' bosses are now effectively guardian level bosses like black star/infinite hunger
>>566642853They always wereI still remember Ventrua going into Zarokh in day 2 of 0.1 with SRS and killing him in 2 seconds
>>566641119Don't expect too much. It's like a decade away from being released and will probably be pretty fucking hardcore.>Chris was balance guy>Jonathan was ideas guyExpect some autistic ruthless d2 experience.
>>566641185That explains a lot. I might unironically switch to d4 if it keeps being this bad. I didn't blow $500 more than I needed to on this computer to avoid framedrops just for the game to force them on me
>>566642549I didn't realize spark was a melee skill.
>>566643194Spark does shit damage. It just has coverage
>>566643184retard
>>566643096thats not even a boss
>>566601316>ke your character do some bullshit where they dart around hte screen 10 times in a second doing some anime slashes that death by a thousand cuts kill everything.They already made Flicker Strike, which WAS a good build. AIUI, it's still up to par, but because GGG cut the autocombo niggawipes it fell off HARD.>Let you do sword cleaves that actually lunge and push you through everything and slash in a wide huge arcPretty sure Rake does that.>but things immediately touching your sword get obliterated or whateverSomewhat already a thing with how some of the Slams work.>Then when they design a melee skill they're like oh no it can't be too wide of a hitbox, that might be useful and hit enemies you wanna hit, let's make sure when you're standing right infront of 2 zombies with your weapon you miss one of themBecause it's a Strike, which are designated "single-target". There's implicit, keystone, and support options to give them a bit of spash.
>>566642156what is poe 4.0 patch, retard
>>566643270Probably, 1% lows make me seethe like nothing else.
>>566643272I mention zarokh but he did it for all bosses, maybe arbiter took a bit longerAnd that was before they nerfed all bosses HP by half
>>566643184Submit bug reports as often as you can over all the bullshit that chafes your experience. They can definitely make optimizations/improvements, but they need to know what's fucked up and have as much data as possible surrounding it in order to fix it. EA is a good time because they're actually trying to allocate resources to these kinds of issues.
evens and i will flush 0.5 before hentaivirus kills me
>>566643719Bro shield wall has been fucked for like 3 leagues now doing 10x damage its supposed toThey dont care about bugs
>>566644045yeah thats cool except they are taking the next half a year and doing only balance so expect everything out of line to get annihilated
>d4 is in the humble bundle
>>566644470>it's realwhat the fuck lmao
Remember when science was important in the PoE universe? Now? It's all magic, demons and magic.
>>566644045Have you submitted a detailed bug report on the matter? When and how many?
>>566644470d4sissies...we're losing
>>566644470Battle net keys are free. Costs blizz nothing and they jew people out of $40 for the expansion locking them into the battle net ecosystem
>>566644640retard, cadigan is literally a robot
>>566644640what are you talking about? the entire game is based around science gone wrong
>>566644654stay humble bro
>>566644640lorelet
>>566644640>Remember when science was important in the PoE universe?No? It's always been mostly magic, even the tech stuff is magic flavored.
>>566644640>first act>archeology-themed endboss>second act>giant vehicle themed endboss>third act>giant robot end boss>fourth act>mutated guy who touched an ancient weapon designed by scientistswhat was your point again?
>>566644640I love science!
>>566644809the entire game ***was*** based around science gone wrongThat's why I made my post, I liked PoE for that too
>>566644045What's the bug with shield wall?
>>566645231retard
>>566644470Is it a dollar? Because i might check it out before 0.5 if so. I ain't payin a single maga cent if it ain't thobeit.i'm broke af and jdimsa
>>566644640Its legit funny how science is a trigger word for rightoids now. I’m gonna incorporate the word more often
>>566645209>game repeatedly bonks you over the head about the dangers of science>wth? I love science!?Redditniggers, everybody.
>>566645231last time I checked, the game is still about that>some god creates a beast>scientists use beast to create magic>entire world gets fuckeddid I miss some new development in the lore?
nukkklear hellfire upon disunited $$nake$$ of amerikkka
>>566645552It's a trigger when it's used to mean something else. Both sides pull that shit constantly. Different wings of the same shitbird.retard.
>>566645632gvke
>>566645552YWNBAWand thats true science
>>566645393No, 14 for the bundle, $8 if there's a coupon. You're locked into ActiBlizz's battle net with it though.
>>566640952>mfw all additional proj mods become 'X% surpassing chance to fire an additional grenade'>mfw incendiary shot + oil grenade is going to get gutted
>>566632743If they make energy shield recovery worse it impacts gameplay flow. The way they want to balance it will just be annoying to play around
>>566646286>>mfw incendiary shot + oil grenade is going to get gutteddidn't someone here post a webm of them on day 2 like oneshotting a t15 boss with oil grenade + 1 incin shotgun blast? obviously that isnt staying
I have an idea for improving player engagement and retention:Why not introduce key characters from PoE in the same way that Genshin Impact introduces the Eleven Harbingers and the Seven Mages?Video related, the Harbingers : https://youtu.be/nNQi0o1b9vE?si=Er0UzIX-9Gp7OciX&t=22Pic related, the Mages (it was hilarious)Imagine if they did that for the different bosses?
why would anyone get upset at op shit getting nerfed? im puzzled
>>566646393>EStards when they actually have a downside to their defense and have to play the gameAHHHHHHHHHHHHHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECHRIS SAVE MEEEEEEEE
Reddit is complaining about the large amount coming into the game, theres like 20 threads about it right now
>>566646475Found it
>>566646510Been the same retarded mentality for years in PoE1. The answer is people are shit at the game
>>566646510/poeg/ seethes and cries about every little thing, it's some childhood trauma shit
>>566646674This is fine and working as intended
>>566646510poo1sissies are literal babies
>>566646674this guy was a visionary considering that the incinerate + oil ground cancer didn't start until like a month later
>>566645231the game was originally about being washed up on a beach and not trying to figure out why there were monster all over the place.
>>566646814>visionary>used the ignite grenade with the ignite skillits even funnier that no one caught on instantly when they read the change to oil grenade and realize that adding like 150% of a 330% weapon damage skill as straight DPS was retarded the second a skill that makes the ignite go 300% faster was added into the mix.
>>566646501the entire appeal of genshin is the lore and characters and musicpoe players don't care for that shit, they just want to blast maps and minmax
>>566622063The 0.4 changes were sidegrade, trading damage for axing base-CD, which takes away the blunt single-target chonking skill from the Shield roster for a "proper" mainhand-agnostic Travel skill.>>566622259It seems like it's supposed to be an addon rather than primary defense, so your "main" survivability "should be" one of the standard three then you fuck around with trimming it for Ward until you find out. I expect "pure" Ward builds to be locked behind long-tail Unique enablers (Heroic Tragedy comes to mind) or Pinnacle-unlocked Ascendancy nodes.>>566632136Chances are you'll be able to emulate it off some comboslop builder-spender gameplay.>>566632826I'm pretty sure all the needed functions are already present, it'd just be annoying on animation blending and tuning the timings with the binning of existing work being An Issue easily avoided by just cordoning it off to one type. Seriously, we even have interrupts!>>566641921Melee's problem isn't that it lacks the DPS to clear, Warriors were doing retarded bossing in 0.1, it's that the DPS comes out in slow narrow chunks instead of all over the fucking place constantly as "efficiency" demands. Though I personally have juiced Earthquake's Aftershock to wipe whites and sometimes blues from almost the entire screen on t15 maps.
>>566646617Maybe, just maybe, armor should be better instead of ES being worse?
>>566647427retard
>>566645931Shin Megami Tensei V and Base D4 for 14 bucks is worth it imo
>>566647383Shield charge was absolute kino for poison, one BIG hit and then proliferate through the pack while the cooldown recharged, had nice indirect synergy with poisons not being easily stackable too
>>566638208Investing completely into something only for it still to be shit isn't balanced
Patch notes will kill the hype
>>566647427sorry bro, no more facetanking 10k slams for you and cheating the game
>>566647985this, but only if nerfs aren't severe enough
>>566647757its not. not even if they pay me to play it. its not worth it. in fact I would pay you money to uninstall d4.
>>566647757yeah, I almost went for it too before I noticed it was a battlenet key not a steam one.
>>566647994but that's what blue life and es/ev do?
>fubcels are going lightning arrow deadeye again in 0.5
>>566648408did you expect something different
>>566648408nah poison arrow pathfinder. la deadeye is so 2000 and late, unc.
>>566648249im pretty sure even with a steam version you need a battle net account for d4>>566648124is it that bad?
>>566648363>i cheated early access balancing so thats what the developers intended!hey you had multiple patches to get good, now you'll be forced to learn bosses for once
>>566646617I just think waiting around for es recharge sounds fucking retarded, and I've never played an es build in poo2. I just want life builds to be able to reach similar hit pools for armour to feel meaningful against larger hits and for evasion to be reliable enough to prevent double or triple taps if you play well.
>>566648530is it that bad? its worse
>>566648408kek no fucking way
0.5 is going to be the biggest patch in PoE history (both games) and you’re dooming?
>>566648530You do need an account but you don't need their awful launcherI'm on linux so it would actually be an issue for me. I think I'd have to use the launcher through lutris or something
>>566648624sounds like its time to start using the tools the game provides to slow enemies and stop them from interrupting your es recharge. there's even a spirit gem that starts your recharge!>larger hitslarge hits are meant to be avoided, adapt or die.
>>566648851ARE WE HARD?
>no cat girl in PoE
>>566648990I'm not saying the game doesn't give you tools, I'm saying the design feels like shit. There's a difference between being able to do something, like play a slow pseudo turn based "arpg", and wanting to. If the gameplay devolves to a point where you literally have to build around temp chains just to get breathing room, or stop your progression mid map to wait out recharge, I would simply not play the game because that sounds fucking retarded
>>566648990Also, notice how you shifted the goalpost from "larger", to "large"? I didn't say that you nigger. Larger being a relative term in comparison to smaller hits, not an absolute term referring to slams or something. Stop being disingenuous
>>566649541so you're a lazy fuck that wants poe1 and hangs on to any vestige of it in poe2glad you retards are finally getting filtered out
>>566649708so you're just wrong/have never played armor then because armor is already insane against everything in the game except slams
>>566649250>gingerthat's likely a catboy
>>566649849I literally said none of that, are you fucking retarded? Is that all you have is strawmanning about poe1? You have poe1 derangement syndrome bro
>>566649987its good when it doesnt matter and its bad when it matters. great mechanic indeed. is stick with my ghost shroud and 80+% evasion. thank you tho at least you tried lol
so im thinking ci es stacking right side something. armor is cooked
>>566650072retard
>>566649987no it isn't. It's only good on titan when you can stack a fuckton of it and forgo having any sort of dps>>566650148i accept your concession
>>566647427The issue is the way the two combine causing absurdly convoluted breakpoint math to have them similarly viable separately without the combination neutering the chip-damage constraint ES is supposed to have on the cheap.>>566647920...Ffuuuck I missed that, I was trying to mix Ignites and Bleeds.>>566647994AIUI, that's still going to be a thing, the catch is that the window to recharge is going to be longer so you can't ignore them as often.>>566648624>I just think waiting around for es recharge sounds fucking retardedYou don't "wait around", you use more cautious damage sources. Hence why Wyvern gives both recharge improvement and projectiles. Which would be REALLY helped by having a gap-building Travel skill like Disengage.>I just want life builds to be able to reach similar hit pools for armour to feel meaningful against larger hitsThat is an output of autistic breakpoint math on Strength stacking and DR, and so terribly sensitive to long-tail optimization, and so an utter pain in the ass to balance without turning most content into a joke for the high-rollers.>and for evasion to be reliable enough to prevent double or triple taps if you play well.Careful Consideration, Wind Dancer, and Window of Opportunity and their interaction with Deflect indicate how; if you play well, you don't get multi-tapped in the first place because you Evade most and the first to get through almost certainly gets a sizable chunk of damage reduction. You DO actually try to avoid enemy attacks, right?
>>566650087>ghost shroudnobody tell him
>ghost shrouddoes this poo1sissy know
>>566601339>(This is a buff)
>>566650307still not nerfed. no mention of nerfs, no datamined nerfs, no nerfs mentioned in the q&a with ziggyd, no reddit posts, no forum posts. tell me what? TELL ME WHAT?
>>566650038pointy fingers means girl in the comic/anime world
>>566650373>no nerfs mentioned in q&auhoh he really doesnt know
>>566650209retard
>>566650373>no mention of nerfsanon, I...
>>566601339Can you explain to me like I'm a retard?
>>566650238>You don't "wait around"I never said you did, this was in the context of them nerfing recovery over nerfing ES values. IF underscore IF - recovery were to be nerfed to the extent that waiting was a gameplay element then this would be an unwelcome way to balance>output of autistic breakpointno not really. It is very easy to get one shot in juiced content. The kind of gameplay that arises in end game isn't the sort of rock paper scissor goose stepping shit that GGG envision. You blow shit up and occasionally a stray projectile or aoe fucks you in the ass. If this happens to an ES build, it is meaningless. Neither armour nor EV have answers to the actual gameplay in high tier content because the gameplay itself devolves - a problem they didn't fail to rectify and made worse since 0.1
>>566650498>>566650560you guys are joking. I wont even bother looking it up. its not real.
>>566650591Don't bother """"practicing"""" since they're changing the map layouts.
>>566650708retard
>>566650072at least im not cheating to stomach playing a game i hate. really just leave now so you dont have to post 1000 times after patch notes are out about how ES is dead and they ruined the game for you.
>>566650418yes, and I'm talking about the actual cat
if you're nothing without ES then you shouldn't have ES at all.
0.4 was dead in the water until someone found the temple bugNOBODY wants to play the vision
>he doesn't know
>>566650942I dont play ES and I don't play poo2. Just commenting on what I see as complete design flaws in the game and reasons why its' shit>>566650871your concession was already accepted. No need to continue seething. Any further contact will be disregarded as tranny cope
>>566651201retard
>>566651304you lost tranny
>>566651201>0.4 endgame still being borrowed from poe1>nobody wanted to play poe1correct
>>566651289retard
Don't worry guys, they'll nerf ES and replace it with ward. Now everyone gets to have an extra health bar.
>>566651289>i dont play uh yeah that was obvious retard
>>566651317Yep, time to put poe2 players in the fucking ovens
>>566651562>yfw when they imagined ward, an extra affix tax as a bandaid to the health pool issue.lmao. What's even funnier is it's easier to use as an ES build since all they care about are defense mods
>>566651698poe1 players were trooning out long before poe2 existed
>>566652116This. In my experience PoE 2 players are quite right wing unlike the poe 1 audience
>>566652116like ds_lily?
>>566652116I have more things in common with "troons" than right wing conservative bigots who think videogames causes violence.
Why does pooe fail so hard at summon builds
>>566651317kek is that webm real?
>>566652284no more like the poe1 darling boobiesquisher who said he wanted chris wilson to gape his anus (he actually said this)
>>566652284like tytytrooner
>>566652346>I have more things in common with "troons"of course you do, you're a troon yourself. now leave the thread and ack yourself.
>>566652284poe1 had some og trannies like demi and theuberelite, they were trannymaxxing before it was cool.
>>566650708>I never said you did, this was in the context of them nerfing recovery over nerfing ES values.The point is that even if they made it base five second start of recharge, you don't actually wait for the recharge to start to keep moving, you just get out longer-range options to play safer.>no not really. It is very easy to get one shot in juiced content.Because of the autistic breakpoints involved, because of how pushing Life interacts with armor and evasion diminishing returns, which is downstream of a whole bunch of skill and itemization interactions. Juiced content is a long tail only a tiny margin of the playerbase pushes into, it CAN'T be what the numbers on these scaling functions are tuned to without utterly ruining the difficulty curve the entire rest of the game works off of. You'd need far more troublesome to wrangle higher-order polynomial functions painstakingly tuning multiple plateaus to tiers of play that need every single new mechanic carefully considered for impacts on. Things devolving in the long tail is simply onerous to avoid in a content-accretion design philosophy.
>>566652348because no arpg does summoning rightdiablo 2 was especially hilarious, because at first the game allowed you to run around with 60+ skeletons who would all die when a boss sneezed at them.
>>566652394is he actually trans/femboy now? I cant tell if its him memeing it up to 11.
>>566652779He's wearing the troonsocks, it's already over for him>memeing it upIt's never a meme.
>>566652875I understand that. At some point you cant really call a dildo up your ass a "meme"
>>566652926mmmpf
behave or you're not getting a poe1 league this july
kys zaccie
>>566653337god i hope so
>>566653337Imagine the /poeg/ melty if they took all PoE1 devs off to make sure 2 has a stronger 1.0 launch
>>566653568>not even the poo1 gigachad devs can save the dumbster fire that is poo2many know this, including Mark and Jonatron
>dumbster
>>566653568PoE1 will become obsolete when PoE2 1.0 launches, because adding content to PoE1 would undermine the world-building of PoE2.For now, this works because the new content in PoE1 (post-PoE2 beta) serves to explain the storylines of PoE2. This helps fill in the gaps in the story.The official canon game (the present) remains PoE1. But when PoE2 1.0 is released, PoE1 will be a thing of the past, and you don’t add elements to the past unless you want to ruin the universe of the present.In conclusion, I think PoE1 will be shut down (or, at best, completely abandoned) once PoE2 is officially launched.
>>566654438I believe PoE2 should branch out completely, have some nods to PoE1 in the game but not continually porting same unique, same skill, same characters, same league mechanics, same crafting mechanics this just makes no sense. It feels like we can see the next 5 years of PoE2 because it will just be a process of getting things from PoE1 into PoE2.As an example, Breach is amazing, we all love breach, but I don't think Breach should exist in PoE2. PoE2 should have a different league mechanic that is entirely its own. This is for ALL of the league mechanics we currently have in the game.
>>566654438i mean we already are living it, the past 5 years of poe1 have literally just been testing for poe2 mechanics.
POE1... is dead... *dies*
>>566654659Man, imagine naming your child POE1.
>>566654549poe2 will be getting it's own, brand new, leagues post release, only the EA leagues are poe1 sequels you retard
>>566652386Smokie?
>>566654824allie
>>566652640>Juiced content is a long tail only a tiny margin of the playerbase pushes intoNo it isn't. Getting to t15 maps in poo2 is trivial. If the content exists, it isn't "autistic minmax" it should be balanced just the same as the rest of the game. This is just fucking cope
>>566650238>200% armor applies to eli and 33% applies to chaosBut how much of this is it actually mitigating?
I haven't played poe1 since poe2 came out
>>566655047do the math retard
>>566655014if you actually believe this why havent you been whining about it in poe1 the past decade?
>>566651317I laff everytime
>>566652284ds_lily is a tradwife
>>566655241Same
>>566655241me but unironically
>>566655670I wasn't being ironic
>>566655241I haven't played poe2 since poe2 came out
>>566655530the long blink really fits
>>566655241>missing out on free mtx for poe2poe1 is pretty boring but i still get a few days out of it getting 40/40
>>566651317I'm so glad that weeb autist spotted this cause nobody in the gdq thread noticed it at the time
>>566650038All of them have pretty fat cheeks
>>566655461Because the two games are balanced entirely differently and the expectations were that GGG wasn't repeating the same mistakes? You can autistically minmax defense to a far higher degree in poe1 and content balloons far more out of control. The scaling between T1 and T15 maps in poe2 is miniscule by comparison so the fact that even in these early stages when the baseline of content is so easy, and health and damage values are manageable still has these balance issues is an extremely telling sign to their incapability as developers. How is it that you think the game won't further devolve if at this stage the balance is still this far off? You are aware of the difference in boss damage and health numbers between the two games right? That poe2 was to have numbers crunched by design? What fucking happened retard?
>>566655812so you've never played it
>>566655241
poo1 fucking sucks
>>566655954might be because they've been adding things and not balancing when they'd have to redo shit. oh wait now they're done and taking the next half year to balance so you're retarded.
>>566655014"Juicing" is not merely "t15 maps", it's "stuff five overlapping mechanics into a full-mod t16".
I have nothing left. poe 2 died and its not coming back. i will now order rope from temu to hang myself
>>566656652They didn't add a single vertical piece of content you idiot. Are you fucking high?
that gay ass temple shit is going away in 0.5, right?
>>566656854retard
>>566656840they added 160 runes chud
thats a quick incel
>>566656652>pretending armour was in a better spot in 0.1real retard hours here
>>566656854temple is still in but the thing where you spend 100 hours building a snake of the best rooms is gone
>>566656840they're adding multiple stronger bosses, all maps are getting 'effectiveness', and a ton of egregious shit is getting nerfedhow is that not vertical? is it because they didnt increase map tier numbers? do you need the number on you map to say 17?
i need something else to say 17...
>>566656773If you were serious about it, you'd get the high quality stuff and not half ass it.
>>566657109thank goodness
Nofap until the ds_lily league launch cosplay
>>566657125IS THAT IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING NIGGER? HMMM?
uh oh melty
>>566657412yes, im testing it right now
>>566656378>minioncucks get nerfed for martial/spellcaster sinslove to see it
at least its not politicslop
Bros, someone help me out here, if a monster has 10000% increased effectiveness, how much more defense do i need?
>>566657585Does the picture say anything about monster damage?
>>566657698No that was my question. >>566657125does the 'effectiveness' theyre adding mean my defenses need to be better? I'm confused?
>>566657327I can't hold on....
>>566658050high effectiveness in a juiced map on a build that doesn't do insane damage will be a death sentence, you will be swarmed and die regardless of how much damage they do.
runes
>>566652701Grim dawn has nice summoning.So does Dins curse/legacy.
>>566658220oh okay so the damage isn't being scaled, and this doesn't impact defense values. thanks for conceding
>>566658428uh sis? a monster that lives longer does more total damage. simple math.
>>566658985NTA, but AIUI if your clearspeed falls low enough that getting mobbed is a concern then you simply shouldn't be doing the content.
>>566659078sir we are talking about monster effectiveness, what does artificial intelligence or the user interface of the game have to do with it?
>>566659308The contraction is of "As I understand it".
>>566659452>>566659452>>566659452>>566659452new
I bought poe2 this last weekend and been playing through itThe amount of asset reuse in this campaign is actually crazy. I've noticed like 5 reskins of the 'gorilla' type monster, starting with those crocodile things in act1. So many enemies just feel like reskins its actually quite staggering, before act1 is even over they're already reskinning things. It's actually heinous.Then I notice that each character animates the exact same, not like poe1 where they have very different vibe, like how witch stands with the weapons compared to marauder, it seems like absolutely none of that is in poe2.Idk the game looks graphically nice but it feels mega anti soul at the same time. Playing as witch or merc or whatever just feels like playing the same exact character but with a different visual skin. You'd expect them each to dodge kinda differently or run with a different gait or stand in a different pose but it's all literally identical.idk the reuse here is crazy for a game that's taking nearly 10 years to make, legit don't see why it's taken this long to make this. I'm really not that blown away compared to poe1.Another point is the UI is horribly mish mash, like a mix of graphic design. Some of it looks like 1998 web css and some looks like 2005 bubble gel and some looks like 2010 vector modern. Whole UI is a mess and that's including playing on controller, things are just all over the place.Game feels like an alpha version to me just from an outside perspective first diving in, not even a beta. It feels like everything is 'just' working, not even polished.So in saying this, why are more characters/genders/weapons in the game? What are 200 people actually doing? 5 guys with knowhow nowawadays can output something on a similar level imo.
>>566659458you dont just get to make up abbreviations because you are lazy
>>566658331what exactly was so nice about grim dawn summoning? I vaguely remember that they did the thing with skeleton summons having better gear the stronger they got, and that they would mix weirdly, were you would get either melee, ranged or magic skeletons by chance. whole thing got topped with some other, beefier summons, which in turn wasn't so much different to poe or d2. anyways, I think summon builds are fundamentally flawed in arpgs because they all just auto attack while you occasionally cast a buff/debuff. the idea behind having minion in an arpg comes from the RTS sector. games like magic&mayhem (pic related) tried to do that, where you played a summoner and had to manage life, mana and spells, many of them minion spells, and you controlled the entire game like an rts. that control scheme doesn't work in a fast paced games though, so now we are stuck with those awkward auto-follow auto-attack minions that barely ever die and deal slow damage.
finally upgraded my talisman as SSF bear>+~40% more damageFeels good
>>566651317would've been funny if the rope didn't break
>>566659865>what exactly was so nice about grim dawn summoningI liked that they had both player scaling and summon scaling pets, so you can build it either as a pet build or as a side thing. Melee with a few guardians of empyrion is really cool.There's also a decent variety of damage modifiers on all the pets so you can convert their damage type for synergies. That's baseline in GD and you can do that with everything of course, but still makes it feel nice for build variety.Having a pet command function goes a long way though GD's is a bit flaky and most modern ARPGs have started having that.You can actually get a fairly respectable amount of damage out of the skeletons. You have a balancing act between tank and damage, but you can invest in making it easier to resummon them so you can let them die without them dying so quickly that it feels silly.Numbers are there, I don't think its quite D2 off the charts numbers but still decent numbers.Really I guess it just comes down to how is just so damn generous when it comes to build variety. Its something that minions in particular always get fucked on because devs are usually shit scared of minions being good. The only thing its really lacking is the 'I just want one really really strong skeleton". I hope they do something for that in the expansion. Maybe an MI that lets you turn skeles into player scaling pets, gives them some obscene total damage mod, but limits you to one of them. Well I suppose that would be the servant of og'napash, grim dawn actually has quite a lot of gear that gives you a unique summon spell aside from the necro summoning
>>566647351>genshin>lore>musicKEKAROOOOOOOOO!KEKYPOOWWW!LELAROOOO EVEN!!
>>566659656>The amount of asset reuse in this campaign is actually crazy.oh boy, just wait until the endgamethe entire endgame is an asset flip, both from the campaign and poe1
>>566633263>It's been months since I've had a bath!
I wanna roll lightning spear but i dont wanna play ranger/huntress
>>566635183harvestsissies still haven't gone away thobeit. they're still here in poopgeneral doomcucking themselves daily.
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