I bought poe2 this last weekend and been playing through it

The amount of asset reuse in this campaign is actually crazy. I've noticed like 5 reskins of the 'gorilla' type monster, starting with those crocodile things in act1.
So many enemies just feel like reskins its actually quite staggering, before act1 is even over they're already reskinning things. It's actually heinous.

Then I notice that each character animates the exact same, not like poe1 where they have very different vibe, like how witch stands with the weapons compared to marauder, it seems like absolutely none of that is in poe2.

Idk the game looks graphically nice but it feels mega anti soul at the same time.
Playing as witch or merc or whatever just feels like playing the same exact character but with a different visual skin.
You'd expect them each to dodge kinda differently or run with a different gait or stand in a different pose but it's all literally identical.
idk the reuse here is crazy for a game that's taking nearly 10 years to make, legit don't see why it's taken this long to make this. I'm really not that blown away compared to poe1.

Another point is the UI is horribly mish mash, like a mix of graphic design. Some of it looks like 1998 web css and some looks like 2005 bubble gel and some looks like 2010 vector modern.
Whole UI is a mess and that's including playing on controller, things are just all over the place.

Game feels like an alpha version to me just from an outside perspective first diving in, not even a beta. It feels like everything is 'just' working, not even polished.

So in saying this, why are more characters/genders/weapons in the game?
What are 200 people actually doing? 5 guys with knowhow nowawadays can output something on a similar level imo.

talkativetri mpreg

>>566659864
buy more mtx, goy

>>566659864
>5 guys with knowhow nowawadays can output something on a similar level
where are those 5 guys and why don't they do it?

I bought d4 this last weekend and been playing through it

The amount of asset reuse in this campaign is actually crazy. I've noticed like 5 reskins of the 'demon' type monster, starting with those 'zombie' things in act1.
So many enemies just feel like reskins its actually quite staggering, before act1 is even over they're already reskinning things. It's actually heinous.

Then I notice that each streamer animates the exact same, not like d3 where they have very different vibe, like how sorcerer stands with the weapons compared to barbarian, it seems like absolutely none of that is in d4.

Idk the game looks graphically nice but it feels mega anti soul at the same time.
Playing as sorc or barb or whatever just feels like playing the same exact character but with a different visual skin.
You'd expect them each to dodge kinda differently or run with a different gait or stand in a different pose but it's all literally identical.
idk the reuse here is crazy for a game that's taking nearly 50 years to make, legit don't see why it's taken this long to make this. I'm really not that blown away compared to d3.

Another point is the UI is horribly mish mash, like a mix of graphic design. Some of it looks like 1998 web css and some looks like 2005 bubble gel and some looks like 2010 vector modern.
Whole UI is a mess and that's including playing on controller, things are just all over the place.

Game feels like an alpha version to me just from an outside perspective first diving in, not even a beta. It feels like everything is 'just' working, not even polished.

So in saying this, why are more characters/genders/weapons in the game?
What are 20000 people actually doing? 1 guy with knowhow nowawadays can output something on a similar level imo.

>>566660575
last epoch sir!!

Does it matter what class I choose or can I just build a freeform character and be effective. I've played Fate and Diablo but didn't like how restrictive the classes felt in Diablo.

I socket my Left Arm of the Forbidden One rune into my gloves

>>566660604
Doesn't work in D4's case, goy, but nice try. In d4 the characters truly are all unique and not just a visual skin, they each have their own animation style, movement, attacking, standing etc.
D4 UI is also all cohesive in the same style to the same quality and consistancy with the same fonts and colouring etc.

D4 does reuse monsters like crazy though. But those monsters are more interesting than any single monster in poe2 because they actually do stuff instead of just run forward and die.

>>566660767
the classes determine your starting position on the tree and which ascendancy classes you can choose
everything else is freeform

wow the d4 player outed himself immediately
well now we know whos shitting up the threads

>>566660821
damn that's crazy. D4 sounds like a really good game. I should go to its general and see how it is over there

>>566660767
It determines two things, where you start on the passive tree and what ascendancies you have access to. The tree starting position is mildly important but not a killer, the ascendancy choices are very important.

>>566660970
I'm an arpg lover bro and D4 and no rest and poe2 all do things good I can recognise where they do good things. PoE2 however compared to both of those feels like the buggy alpha game

>>566660575
They did during poe1, then 4 left GGG

>>566657125
>all maps are getting 'effectiveness'
Where did they actually talk about this? I know 0.4 added effectiveness based on tier and that they said they wanted to add effectiveness to the tree, but I don't remember hearing about it in the 0.5 reveal/Q&A

>>566661260
during poe1, you got bangers like tempest league

>>566661428
>bangers like tempest league

>>566661286
effectiveness is replacing rarity
monster rarity is replacing rare/magic monsters

Honestly I've never had an issue with map layouts nor finding the objective to complete a map. My only issues were not enough interesting nodes on the atlas that made running maps fun (new tablets suck) and the fact that there isn't a noticeable difficulty gap between waystone tiers.

You could probably come out of the campaign for the very first time and jump right into t9 maps and not have an issue.

Literally no one, not one person has posted a pob of these supposed tanky armor characters that achieve similar phys max hits and dps to spellcasters. Not one

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>>566661589
Looks like there are still rarity mods but some add effectiveness instead. Was hoping for more control on speccing into only effectiveness

>>566661824
>muh hecking phys max hiterino

comparison is the thief of joy

>>566661824
whyt would there be a pob comparing armor to cheaters?

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Hey guys, weird question for you all.
Do you want our thread to participate in /vg/'s divegrass league (VGL)?
Basically its memes from the thread battling in football vs other generals on /vg/. Imagine Chris Willson scoring a goal or Sniped player making an assist or Retard missing a penalty.
I am ready to take technical parts on myself but do you want to participate? We only need a good will and list of players.

>>566662350
retard

>>566661824
because you think an armor build is 5 pieces of armor and not an actual build.
people will hype up es and ignore the fact that half the tree is dedicated to es, eva, deflect, recovery, and almost every prefix is defensive, and 3 defensive auras.

No matter what game, the character that can have the best maneuverability is the best character, no matter what. I knew the second they added WASD and move while shooting that no one would ever top ranger in this game. The monsters move in a way that is very linear, they don't strafe etc, yet the player can.

The fact that you can circle turn strafe shoot enemies while shooting them in the side means that ranger is just mechanically S tier. Warrior plays exactly like Diablo 1/2 but with some more visual flair. The wasd barely helps him because the melee attacks are so rooted and have no motion, and the ones that do your motion is very rigid.
There's a reason why in souls games to shoot a bow and arrow or cast magic your character had to stand still, whereas melee had loads of movement and motion to the attacks. It's an autobalance against playstyles that can hit from ranged vs close.

Giving the ranged character the ability to however move while attacking just breaks everything around them.
Ontop of this, not giving the melee characters the ability to move while attacking not only doesn't let them break even with ranged, but impairs them dramatically compared.
Even if mace could move while attacking it still wouldn't be even parity with the same thing but shooting shit from a distance. The fact you can't even do this says warrior is perma D tier.

I don't care how many speedrunners can aoe stomp explode with warrior and blast through maps. It's still mechanically D tier and unfun to play, and if they ever add pvp to PoE2 I don't think a single warrior would ever win against even a bad ranger.

>>566662350
>/poeg/ memes
>shitcrows
>bald fucking retard
>tub of shit
>retard
>7 challenges
>gmp ed
what are even poeg memes

>>566662350
rigged slop

>>566662630
sir most es builds just take jewel sockets

>>566662869
newfag

>>566662885
sure they do.

>>566662869
>jonatroon
>ds_lily
>rwds_larry
>no swords

>>566663150
>>jonatroon
literally a tub
>>ds_lily
forced
>>rwds_larry
forced
>>no swords
not even a meme
>>566663013
retard

>>566663150
i was away for most of the year, is the "raped 17" guy still around?

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>>566662869
Doomers
TWO GAMES ONE POO
Sniped
Rate my build
Poe~ (that anime girls who are saying poe)
beachlink

>>566663039
still haven't shown me a good armour build

>>566662862
post this again after the next few balance patches, ranged will not survive in its current state.

>nobody mentioning FREE????
newfags, all of you

>>566663409
>beachlink
cant believe that i forgot about beachlink, i spent like 30 minutes giggling nonstop when it happened

>>566662630
that is even MORE true of armour, who all go shield wall because their entire passive tree is fucking armour nodes.

>>566662350
I'd watch and even contribute to model creation. Would be fun during mid league downtime

>>566662350
Prove you aren't a merc btw

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>>566664182
retard

>>566663659
>another retard talking like he knows anything
shield wall builds barely take half an armor wheel

>>566663467
Oh is that why they're adding guns and bazookas to the game before swords?

It's not that they 'don't care' about melee.
It's not that they 'don't like' melee.
They HATE melee. They HATE that their game has to have it. They want so badly to make a twinstick shooter. They threw the melee we have in the game to tide people over, but they made you play as a unga bunga negro man to punish players.


They finally will add white guy with swords but they'll also add duel wield one hand magnum 'crossbows' at the same time.

I wanna roll lightning spear but i dont wanna play ranger/huntress.

>>566663659
kind of my point, when it comes to es builds people completely gloss over the fact that they are investing an insane amount into defense.
with armor builds you act like anything more than a life flask is too much investment and it's a deadly sin to use any kind of layered defense.

>>566664407
>swordschizo
well everything makes sense now

>>566664457
I tried LS in 0.4 but hated the frenzy charge generation I was expected to do.

>>566664407
>duel wield one hand magnum 'crossbows'
well that is something i didn't know i needed but now can't live without

>>566664518
swords ARE melee combat. Maces are not melee combat, they are environment damage, aoe. They are spellcasters larping as fighters. Calling him "Warrior" was salt in the wound.

PoE2 does not have melee combat in the game currently, and the devs releasing both INT and both DEX characters before anyone else is a clear indicator of the developers own bias, they didn't work on characters agnostically and evenly, they focused all the golden years of poe2 dev on those caster/ranged characters.

PoE2 was announced with Ranger as the gameplay example.
It was then re announced, again, with Ranger as the example this time using crossbows and spears (hint - spears are the most 'ranged' melee weapon).

Ranger is the main character of the game, they're even right in the middle of the screen at character select.

>>566664468
The tree is bad on the south side and doesn't lend itself to good pathing and defense options. There's one wheel that grants universal armour applies to elemental damage, two really shitty notables for armour no one wants to take (strength requirement is added to armour lmao), and the rest are specific to an element. Compound this with the fact that mace builds have shit damage, no attack speed, and no way to scal straight damage or crit, and you have a weak class that is slow, and doesn't have options. Nearly every "decent" shield wall build tops out at half a million dps, have at most an 8k phys max hit, and all are using that gay ass surround helm. The entire southern hemisphere of the tree is poorly conceived with shit nodes that pigeon hole you into wearing a stupid fucking evasion hat that shouldn't even exist, and yet they nerfed block, giants blood, and refuse to add life on the tree or make armour have better point investment. They also gaped and raped being able to invest into regen

>>566664407
retard

>>566664838
no shit, remember the leak

>>566659864
>Another point is the UI is horribly mish mash, like a mix of graphic design. Some of it looks like 1998 web css and some looks like 2005 bubble gel and some looks like 2010 vector modern.
This is just nonsense. Post screenshots and point out the parts that are 1998 web design and which parts are 2005 bubble gel.

>and all are using that gay ass surround helm
why the fuck are poo1sissies talking when they arent even playing the game lmao

why is most of poe2 just taking things from poe1 but making them retarded then spending a lot of time and effort slapping band-aids on things to fix it

>>566665365
cope your way out of this one you little shit
>https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal?skills=Shield+Wall&sort=dps

>>566665830
DELETE THIS NYOW

>>566662350
im not gay
sorry

>>566665017
>wearing a stupid fucking evasion hat
isn't that what es builds do with subterfuge mask?

They still didn't nerf the surround cap or what

>>566666461
They don't nerf anything mid league because the gigaspergs will send pipebombs to ggg hq

>>566666587
Wasn't this the meta all the way back in 0.3? Maybe I'm misremembering

>>566666461
They did, you need 1 monster always now

>>566666787
you can't get it below 1 now, it still works it just isn't nearly as useful.

>>566665017
Mark literally said they are increasing the amount of armor/evasion on base items, are buffing it on the passive tree (whether it makes it into 0.5 or not we don't know), and are also looking to add more armor vs elemental on the tree in different areas, especially in the Armor/EV areas and Armor/ES areas.

Mark said that in their testing players had more armor/ev than they did in practice, and that was mainly due to the passive tree not having enough (or good enough) support.

>>566666461
Yes it is nerfed. You cannot be constantly surrounded while running around, and I believe they even nerfed the surrounded passives. You can get it to 1 enemy counts as being surrounded, but that means no more MS while moving around the map, or attack speed, and you just kind of randomly gain and lose it as you are in combat.

>>566661260
POE1 in the first years looked like shit (both technically and in art design), played like shit at a basic game feel level, and had very little content in comparison to POE2 right now. Its merit was that it was made by people who knew exactly what game they wanted to make, what its strength was, and the niche they wanted to fill.

I have zero doubt that those people would make a better ARPG than POE2 given the same resources, but that has literally nothing to do with anything that this retard >>566659864 is whining about.
The idea that POE2 is worse than POE1 at a similar stage because of a lack of sheer content, or lack of AAA polish, is the exact opposite of reality.

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To this day i still dont understand the reason for ethereal armor in D2 why would i want it if i cant repair it?

>>566667567
Better base stats and mercs don't care about durability so you can just give it to them.

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Neat

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>>566667638
if its a merc only thing then why make uniques out of them?

>>566667641
heghunder :DDDDD

>>566667721
It's not a merc only thing, you can put it on until it breaks and I'm not sure why you think Mercs can't use uniques. Eth Reaper's is a very common thing to use as well as that Andy mask.

>>566667525
even if they had todays resources it would have still taken them years to figure out what they turned the game and genre into.
they just stumbled through the dark and did what they did out of necessity to keep players invested, it wasn't until late 2015/early 2016 that they actually figured out what the game needed to be. and then it took them several years to finetune it.

Templar is coming in the 'drop' because why else is there a full runic system, the new templar is going to use it.

>>566667139
Yes, and the fact that maces are dogshit

>ARPGs with sword:
Diablo
Diablo 2
Diablo 3
Diablo 4
Diablo Immortal
Path of Exile
Grim Dawn
Torchlight
Torchlight 2
Torchlight 3
Torchligh Infinite
Hero Siege
Hero Siege 2
Titan Quest
Titan Quest 2
Undecember
Last Epoch
Sacred
Sacred 2
Victor Vran
The Incredibles Adventures of Van Helsing
Dungeon Siege
Dungeon Siege 2
Dungeon Siege 3
Fate
Fate 2
Fate 3
Fate 4
Wolcen
Bard's Tale
Darkstone
Divine Divinity
Nox
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2
Exanima
Minecraft
The Ascent

>ARPGs without sword
Path of Exile 2

>>566667721
>d2r
>cheating inventory and cube
fuck off retard

>>566668313
retard

>bad arpgs:
Diablo
Diablo 2
Diablo 3
Diablo 4
Diablo Immortal
Path of Exile
Grim Dawn
Torchlight
Torchlight 2
Torchlight 3
Torchligh Infinite
Hero Siege
Hero Siege 2
Titan Quest
Titan Quest 2
Undecember
Last Epoch
Sacred
Sacred 2
Victor Vran
The Incredibles Adventures of Van Helsing
Dungeon Siege
Dungeon Siege 2
Dungeon Siege 3
Fate
Fate 2
Fate 3
Fate 4
Wolcen
Bard's Tale
Darkstone
Divine Divinity
Nox
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2
Exanima
Minecraft
The Ascent

>good arpgs
Path of Exile 2

What did Belton say about the reveal

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>>566668736
You are just mad at how big my inventory and cube is tell your girl to stop knocking my portal

>>566668871
I think so too!

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Im going to duo poe2 0.5 with an old friend

whats a good comp? 2 warriors?

>>566668650
I've only played 11 of these. Darkstone makes me nostalgic and probably had the first version of CoC but it plays pretty badly, you can send you character halfway across the map and it will path there automatically though which is neat

>>566669030
any comp is fine. The game is super easy so just play what you find fun

>>566667641
How many wombgifts? I'm at a few hundred and best belt I got was a T3

>>566662350
poeg has no culture or thread memes it’s just bots replying to each other with stock phrases ad infinitum

>>566669227
>poe1 streamer abandons poe1 and shuns the poe1 community
many such cases

>>566669227
Prepare for deepthroating like this until exilecon ends btw.

I will not let the tourists try to gaslight me into believing poe1 was better at the start than what we have now. I was there in open beta. It wasn't a bad game, but the game as a whole is better today and it took them a fuckton of time to get here.

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a lil business lesson for you guys

>>566669928
>Took them a decade to get there
>Flip the table and then start over while barely learning anything from that decade
4 more years.

>>566669030
I agree with what the other anon said but one of you playing druid or sorc would give the other loads of tools to combo with

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>>566662350
add furina as a player for poeg

>>566669928
If you were there at the start you'd know that the friction was the reason people liked it over d3. Sure stuff like predictive networking and just overall less content was bad, but the nu-gamer that just wants all gems immediately, only plays softcore, and wants to immediately jump into T16s should just go back to Diablo.

>>566669930
you're missing people who won't play the game even when they put swords in because GGG waited too long to do it

>>566669227
>tranny
'nuff said

Think I’m going to skip the patch notes and start witch hunter for the 5th time in a row

people will play whatever their favourite streamer tells them to play

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>>566669720
I'm here but i don't like poe2 so i'm not making anything

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>>566670351
>people who won't play the game even when they put swords in because GGG waited too long to do it

>>566669930
everyone knows what is going to happen in a few months.
>hooooooolllllly GGG COOKED!
>this is why ggg are goated
>no other company can hold a candle to ggg
>ten reasons why jonathan is king chungus
>a d4 players honest review
>blizzard could learn a thing or two
then 2 weeks into 1.0
>did ggg bite off more than they can chew?
>is xyz in a good spot? should they buff abc?
>ten reasons why jonathan is no longer king chungus
>will diablo 5 dethrone poe2?

>>566669712
I wasn't counting but I think this was an item level 84 one.

>>566670597
Cyclebros... I'm pretty sure you can just look at these people's catalogues and see the very same thing happening again and again.

>will diablo 5 dethrone poe2?
d4 is already mogging poe2 blud

>>566670520
retard

>>566670597
>>566670823
the crazy thing is that this happened for ten straight years of PoE's growth

>>566660876
Poe2 your class decides what you have access to because you can't path through the center anymore.
I tried doing a minion build on merc. It was horrid.

>>566670919
retard

Might as well call D4 as D5 itself, due to how much content it has. I don't need to pull up a database wiki or a trade window just to play the game lmoa, and I can easily share my 10B damage build because we aren't competing with drops etc due to the purpose built RMT market that corrupts everything at the root.

0.5 should be a SSF league only, it would enrage everyone except chads.

>>566668464
Maces are fine. They can clear every bit of content in the game.
>BUT BOWS BUT FUBGUN BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT
No one cares lil gup. Stop worrying about what faggots on twitch are doing. The game is currently so fucking easy and power crept that the hardest content in the game is doable with basic mace attacks.
>BUT THEY'RE NOT FUN!
Damn fucking right. The slow, strong attacks in video games are never fucking fun. Maces in PoE1 are not fun either, but slams were so grossly overpowered everyone played them.

>>566671263
every league is a SSF league
t. ssfbtw

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>>566670919
the difference in pathing to the complete other side from your starting zone is only 2 points longer than in poe 1, only real buildcrafters know this though. Everyone who complains about the poe 2 tree being too large is literally this child

>>566671586
'vke

Bait used to be believable

>>566671724
retard

>>566668650
seems like swords are irrelevant to an arpg's success or failure.

>>566671586
In PoE 1 you could pick up loads of useful stuff along the way like Life nodes. In PoE 2, you have to make your way through the entire tree just for a single grenade and a few other bits and pieces

>>566671450
Slams in 1 are more so fun because of many different sources of explosions that don't rely on retarded shit like "overkill damage" on a terrible herald, as well as warcries actually being cool

>herald of ash
>terrible
poo1sissies outing themselves as terrible yet again

>>566671909
>life nodes
>useful
umm my life is blue thanks

>>566671948
the slams in the 0.5 reveal looked more fun than any mace skill i've ever seen in poe1.

I’m not sure if anyone’s posted this here yet, but in the Q&A it was mentioned that several classes will have secret abilities that you can unlock by talking to Dreamer and the others.

>>566671909
this is also wrong because people ALREADY path around the tree because jewel nodes are in the middle of stat nodes, which are way better than life nodes which not all poe 1 builds even need

the kalguran skills really do not make a lick of sense when we are hurting desperately for skill as it is

>>566672232
Why?

Personally, I think:
>PoE2's tree is good.. in terms of pathing and visuals
>PoE2's tree is bad in terms of what it offers and where it is offered
Shit like almost the entire Warrior section, half the Merc section, most Shapeshift nodes, and all sorts of other less-extreme examples all over the rest of the tree.
Plus the whole "you are not allowed to invest in HP even though ES can" bullshit.

remember that time when they said you know what but then did you know what instead

TRVTHNVKE:
energy shield is a defence, you dont die if it hits 0, you die if your life hits 0

>>566659864
>2005 bubble gel
ignoring the rest of your post to just say this aesthetic was pure kinosovl and it is a shame that it got abandoned

>>566672519
i die when i play more than 3 microseconds of slog of bloatxile 2

>>566672410
i don't want to go back to ~150% inc life on the tree, i would rather they solve it elsewhere.

>>566672709
>slog of bloatxile 2
hopesissies will never recover from this

>>566672720
Sure, but they'd have to delete ES nodes first.

>>566672410
I really don’t think there’s any point in over-analysing the passive tree at this time
Feedback is important, of course, but some people take it a bit too personally. I mean, 0.5 is going to have 400+ new nodes and probably loads of changes to the existing ones, and we literally know nothing about it.

>>566672891
nwm it says atlas tree nodes. I'm an idiot.

talkativetri mpreg

I really want them to make tornado good. I tried super hard to get a decent build going last league with it and it just fucking sucked.

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>was going to start a game since we got 3 weeks
>2 days later I aint started shit

I kinda just don't think the passive tree is that important in poe 1 which is the weirdest part. Like yeah it is "important" but a bad tree and a good tree are only marginally different in poe 1 while gear is still 99% of a player's power. I've made more meaningful changes to a poe 2 build through the passive tree than I have in poe 1, aside from choosing which cluster jewel to use.

>>566672410
clearly we just need more mechanics
waiter, waiter! more mechanics please!
ward! dissolution! guard! we need more defense mechanics on the tree! and make sure they all have really convoluted tooltips! at least 1000 characters each!

>>566673181
the tree in poe1 has gotten less and less important as the game evolved, clusters and masteries were the final nails in the coffin.

>>566672891
>Feedback is important
They actively ignore feedback at every turn and do whatever the fuck they want. It has been this way in PoE1 for over a decade. PoE2 0.1 was this way, carefully organized in a way to imply it's the community's fault they moved back to "patches once in a while with a lot* of changes" when it was 100% them doing things wrong to cause such a result.
People "take it personally" (they aren't, they're just being aggressive) cause nothing else gains any traction to cause change and improvement.
>>566673029
Lmao.

At any rate, some things will improve this patch and some things will worsen. Some things which are obviously bad will be neglected, some will be buffed ever so slightly (still shit and obviously shit), some will receive a tangible buff, but be ignored by the community because they remember it being shit and it's still worse than (meta), and some will be buffed into the meta.
And similarly, some OP stuff will get dumpstered, some will be deleted entirely, some will receive a slap on the wrist, and some will be totally ignored.
That's how it always is.
Cause they're not trying to make a good game. It's all in the name of money over all else and they hate their userbase.

>>566673083
I have one but I got to endgame and its a snoozefest so I quit
show build you were using

I draw one card and place a rune in attack stance and end my turn

What the hell is Effectiveness

>>566673353
better than old ass poe 1 when it was just stack life on the left side, and don't get hit on the right side.

Is anyone actually excited about having to do Ascendancy trials for their characters each league? Out of all the things you need to do with a new season, is it even on the list of things you look forward to? For me it's literally the thing I dread the most. More than endless maps, more than a 50 hour campaign, more than getting no loot, more than slow movement speed etc..

PoE 1 and 2 are similar in name only. First game is an ARPG. Second is just slop made in an attempt to reach a (((modern))) audience. In fact I will not ever accept an opinion from a PoE 2 player at all unless they're a veteran of the first game.

I don't get the crafting bench complaints, did poowunnies think instead of GGG making all these new runes they would just... put them in the crafting bench for free? They would still need to bloat it up with new currencies.

>>566673438
retard

>>566673749
AI post? Bot post? Forum post you copied and pasted?

>>566673749
i like sekhemas but not chaos

>>566673749
I actually quite like Sanctum PoE2.
Unlike in PoE1, it's actually well-designed and not a miserable slog prior to getting all your OP Relics and in PoE2, you can farm your first run as many times as needed to beat it, getting Relics along the way and eventually pushing over.
Trial of Chaos is irredeemable though.

>>566673438
>Cause they're not trying to make a good game. It's all in the name of money over all else and they hate their userbase.
Then you’ve probably never played a game that genuinely hates its player base. GGG are angels compared to what you get from your average MMO, let alone a free-to-play one.

>>566673749
if you're still getting filtered at this point, it might be terminal brain damage

I have doomsissy fatigue

>>566673891
I just happen to write better than you. Some of us didn't rot our brain with TikTok and YouTube Shorts, so we're able to write properly without having to sound like a Gen Z twat.

sekhemanuts

>>566673981
theres a rune for that :)

>>566673805
They don't want to think and they don't want to play the game. Bench crafting allows them to go to one station and use generic orbs to upgrade gear, quick, easy, boring. Me no think number go UP green arrow GOOD. It's the same reason why they complain about the campaign, atlas map, and map layouts among other things.

ngl I don't think I have had a single issue with the trials since 0.3. The player is so insanely overpowered nowadays. Lab is way more annoying with the clunky layouts.

>>566673935
>not a miserable slog
Why would they have people run through 3 full floors for Sekhemas just to get it done? That's like what? 30 minutes per attempt? Misery thy name is GGG.

>>566674129
it's 15min for 4 floors lmao

>>566674206
On your first char per league and not your specialized farmer once you're done with everything at level 95+?

>>566674129
i would rather that than sharting around campaign zones doing mini trails and then dealing with gold doors in the lab.

>>566673749
>>566673997
Ok, if it's a real post then >>566673942 you have legitimate skill issues at work. Ascendancy trials are extremely easy and cannot be failed, you also don't NEED your ascendancy immediately so if you do find it difficult you can wait a few levels and then do it, it's extremely braindead content. So no, I don't mind doing them and in fact do look forward to it.

In general though I would echo this anons sentiment >>566673914, I find Sekhemas to be enjoyable content as it's a balance between picking positive traits, balancing negatives, and choosing your route through. Chaos is fucking awful beyond the initial ascend as it's only piling on negatives.

>>566673749
trial of the sekhemas are fine and even fun sometimes because im not trash at the game

labs are infinitely more retarded and annoying

>>566673638
except es is just blue life so you have 1 option that is superior in every single way and then a bunch of shitty gimmick options like deflection and 50% block/active block
so meanwhile blue life enjoyers can scale their hp to the fucking moon and then invest in other stuff like mana taken before life and resists and shit after
so instead of
>left side stack lift, right side stack dont get hit
now we have
>top side stack es, bottom side LMFAO roll a good ascendancy or fuck off

cool, thanks zaccie! epic!!!

3 floor runs are Map level.
At that point, you're clearing floor 1 in under 5m if you're actually worried about "wasting" your time.

>use beyond scarab of resurgence
>go in mirage
>get only one boss
N

>>566674287
just press sprint

What happens to the game if there is too much "bloat"? Like actually, how would it negatively affect the game if there was too much stuff in it? Is this not already the case with PoE 1 and people like that it has a bunch of stuff?

>>566674129
yeah i definitely would rather look up lab layouts on my web browser and run through 99% of the mobs and wait for traps looking for keys to locked doors

im retarded btw

>>566674315
I mean it doesn't have to be one way or the other. They had a unique opportunity to do it right this time.

>ju-ju-just buy honor resistance relic
>on your first ascendency run
>during early league

>>566674441
>What happens to the game if there is too much "bloat"?
only tubbed mazies want to play it
see poe1

>>566674287
Your first character should have no issues completing it, the hardest floor is probably the lever "maze" and if you struggle with that then you might want to quit video games.

>>566674504
>he needs honor resistance to run the first trial
>he gets hit a single time in the first trial
turn on your monitor next time

can't you buy a barya that's right before the very last boss if you don't like running the sekhema trials

>>566674504
you don't need a single relic lil gup

>>566674504
>I am retarded and struggle with X content
>Should I get gud?
>Should I wuss out and buy an honor relic or two to help?
>No, I know what I'll do..
>I'll cry about it, that's what I'll do

>>566674330
>>566673942
I'm not getting filtered. I completed the trials just fine, but the main issue is that they're not fun, interesting or challenging. They're tedious for the sake of being tedious. A single floor would be just fine for the trial, but 3 or 4? That's just mental illness at that point. What are you proving? That you can sit through some type of roguelike bullethell in an ARPG?

I daresay that the length of the tutorial variants of Sanctum and Ultimatum had the perfect length. You got to do the thing, fight the boss and if you succeeded you were allowed to progress your character.

Finally I really don't like the RNG aspect of how rooms play out. In the tutorial version the layout is the same for all players, which is fine. In number 3 and 4 it's completely RNG, which is BS.

>>566674441
that depends on whether the bloat is optional or if it feels mandatory. adding more and more shit that you "need" to do feels bad for further characters.

>>566674806
Explain to the class how you find an ARPG adding in a roguelike style mode, one that you only have to complete in tutorial mode, to the game is a bad idea.

Then explain how labs in poe1 are better designed and a more enjoyable use of your time.

>>566674804
>He is trading rather than SSF
NGMI

>>566674806
>I completed the trials just fine
> roguelike bullethell
>I really don't like the RNG
lol

>>566674953
do you think someone who curls up into a ball and cries at the idea of having to run a few floors of trials of the sekhemas is capable of handling SSF in this or any game?

>>566674806
retard

>>566674938
I never said labs were better (but they are). With PoE 2 we had a unique opportunity to do it right. Instead character progression is locked beyond genre breaking trials that doesn't train you in any meaningful way to be a better player for the endgame. People have said this before, but I'll gladly parrot it; if you can clear all maps and pinnacle bosses with your build, but risk failing due to Honour or whatever else they introduce - what is being tested? Honestly? Is your build defective because it can't do that one, specialized type of (as you said) optional content? Or is the content itself bad in the sense that it doesn't really do what it set out to do?

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HCSSF btw

>>566675179
>we
who is this we you are talking about, because so far it's about 5-1 in favor of "we" liking trials

>>566675179
>what is being tested?
your iq

>>566674806
poe1 made players soft
we needed ggg to bring us back to HARD

>>566675179
>People have said this before
they said it 10 years ago about the lab
>traps have no business being in an ARPG

>>566675292
I greatly enjoy the concept of running a shop in video games, async trade hit me right in the fun bone and I fucking love putting things up for sale and watching people show up to buy them.

>>566675292
vased, shitcrow tradies stay mad

>>566665318
item tooltips are 98 CSS, all the buttons in the UI are apple gel bubble gradient design, other league stuff is more modern 2d vector style, in poe2's case the hud is 3D and looks modeled but the 2D ui inventory etc next to it looks like photoshop photobash

PoE2 UI is indeed fuck ugly

>>566671586
I just did a rando check and it was 36 for poe2 vs 27 for poe1 if you take the highways from the bottom of the tree to the minion bonuses near the top.
Of course highways are for black people and I always took the route from champion through the center for the life cluster and necromantic aegis

the simple fact is that PoE1 being a spreadsheet zoomer ADHD autist fiesta of ranged builds teleporting around maps mashing one button at max range for hundreds of hours was pure undiluted slop and PoE2 was completely right to alter the approach to combat. Only Poo1troons try to pretend the change in direction is unwarranted or bad.

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>>566675309
We all know this isn't the first time you've heard this type of criticism. Bandwagon fallacy won't help you save face here, mate.
>>566675339
>STAY HARD
pic rel.
>>566675350
They were talking about trannies. No, but seriously - it doesn't have to be one way or the other. Sanctum and Ultimatum being bad doesn't mean that Labs is good.

>>566675493
Woops I meant from the starting location at the bottom*
Not literally the bottom of the tree.

>>566675567
I don't know man, if this is how you want to waste your day enjoy it.

26 challenges complete
fucking doryani's being 50 div
I'm pretty bored, not sure I'll bother for 36

>>566675530
go play grim yawn if you want a slow shitty game, retarded faggot anon.

>>566675623
You don't know about David Goggins? Man.. You really do live in a bubble.

>>566675567
retard

>>566671948
I'm sorry man, but no. People just got used to playing slams because they were the meta way to progress quickly. Tons of damage multipliers that were straight up better than nearly everything else. You pair that shipping/gambling, genesis tree, etc and you can get a good axe/mace for minimal effort.

Yes, there is an innate satisfaction and 'fun' to feeling overpowered. I will also say that I do believe maces/slams in PoE1 are much better than PoE2, but ultimately maces aren't some horribly forgotten archetype that GGG secretly hates and they secretly hate melee and secretly hate you. The numbers need adjusting, the warrior part of the tree needs adjusting, but they're not dogshit.

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>>566675709
I'll play PoE2

>>566675709
notice how the wounded troon doesn't actually offer a counterargument or any real defense of the state of Poo1, he merely lets his (likely HRT-affected) emotions spew out insults in his dysphoric rage.

Very very disgusting.

>>566675709
GD is not slow at all when you use dpyes for WASD
I play like GD melee like those meme doom 4 webms where they're jumping around and switching weapons constantly.

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>new metacrafting runes
>can't be removed or replaced
these are dead on arrival

>>566675530
trvke
>>566675709
pvke

>>566672720
Dude. They can't if ES is on the tree. They described it like this and it is all for nothing because of ES

>Mark/Jonathan said he did not like people having to path to a minimal amount of life on the tree and thought it made character building less interesting
>They wanted to have more interesting defensive nodes
>They say "With no life on the tree, we no longer have to worry about trying to balance around some players investing in 200% life and some investing in 100%. We can balance monster damage accordingly!"
>Except players now can have 100-200% ES on the tree and have like 4-5x the EHP of life builds

>>566675876
I hate this wiki shit
>can roll chronomancy modifiers
>doesn't say which
>cannot be removed or replaced so you can't mess around
Why not just fucking write which modifiers it can roll down if you press alt? Retarded ass game making you tab out to a wiki

is WASD movement actually enjoyable?
i heard people hyping it up and it seems totally odd to use in a game like PoE.

>>566675876
>put rune in item
>roll affix you want
>recomb to different base
>fracture affix
>finish craft

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>>566676027
its called patch notes they have not been put out yet nor has anything been datamined learn to listen

>>566675876
I disagree. I think that a rune you put in and cannot remove is a great idea. The issue with that rune is that the mods they showed off don't seem great.

>>566676140
you cant recomb mods onto bases that cannot roll them (and they cant without the chronomancy rune)

>>566676021
Dude.
They lie constantly.
They say "we wanna give players more freedom by removing mandatory life nodes."
They mean "we want players to be more likely to die."
And there has to be an exception (ES) because it is expected. If they deleted ES scaling, people would riot nonstop in a way they can't control.

>>566676128
It helps with carpal tunnel syndrome. Beyond that it's very much subjective if you like it or not. I personally think it makes my character look retarded when it moves, but at the same time it gives me a few other options for positioning that I don't get with just the cursor.

Try both and use whatever you like.

>>566675685
The armor looks pretty cool in PoE2, but you're referring to the map, right? Yeah I think I had to pay like 15 divs for mine when I did 36.

>>566676128
play xbow and enjoy playing top down view doom

>>566676168
are you implying they will write down what modifiers it can roll ingame on release? First time playing or what?

>>566676128
Depends on what you prefer, personally I couldn't play the game without it. I love being able to move and use skills at the same time through two different means of input.

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i cant fucking wait 3 weeks i want to play my SSFHC ethical true melee shield slammer NOW!

>>566675740
>It just needs adjusting
Warrior needs maybe a thousand more life or armor needs to actually pull more weight

>>566676198
you can't recomb a veiled affix or an essence mod onto a different base?

>>566674072
Yeah, the Sugma trial is absurdly easy now. It has been so nerfed that I played a T H O R N S warrior in 0.3 and I effortlessly cleared it. I mean I literally had to get hit to deal damage and I ended the final boss at like 80% honor.

>>566676298
basically this
mechanically its slightly less smooth than mouse movement but the mountain of options for actual combat inputs just puts it far ahead, i dont see how you can go back once you're used to it

>>566676140
>>566676198
Wouldn't fracturing keep the mod? It seems like retarded levels of gambling though

>>566676345
its not the same thing

You're gonna have to source all those Q&As, cause the wiki disagrees.
>Non-native natural modifiers (NNN):
>Attempting to transfer a modifier that cannot exist on the opposite input item's base type that would result in an "illegal item" will cause the success chance for that side to become 0%. This can be due to base type ineligibility (e.g. energy shield modifiers on a pure armour base type) or due to insufficient item level (e.g. a modifier requiring Level 80 to roll on an item level 78 base type). The displayed chance for success automatically accounts for this.

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Save some for tomorrow. Good night poeg

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Just finished the campaign in Diablo IV and honestly I think people were way too hard on the story. It's probably the best story ever told in an ARPG.

Lilith is probably the best villain Blizzard has written in years because she actually has understandable motivations instead of just “evil demon wants world domination.” The cutscenes were insanely good, the atmosphere felt dark again like old Diablo, and the whole journey across Sanctuary actually felt hopeless and oppressive in a good way.

Act 6 especially was peak. The descent into Hell looked incredible and the music/art direction carried hard. Donan, Lorath, Neyrelle — all way more memorable than most ARPG side characters usually are.

Also credit where it’s due: the game nails that feeling of being a tiny survivor in a world that’s already lost. The church politics, the cults, the miserable villages — it all sells the setting perfectly.

PoE2's campaign is very lacking in comparison.

>>566676128
Yes. WASD or Controller is the only way to play. I cannot imagine playing PoE2 on mouse movement.
I love PoE1 and I have to admit that I really wish it had WASD now. I obviously play it every league and am used to mouse on it, but dude trust me. WASD or Controller.

>>566675685
you could grind doryanis yourself. it's a 16% drop from the vaal delve boss. it took me about 4 hours to get it in SSF, or you could just grind black baryas and coins for like an hour to get 50 divs on trade.

>>566676510
they are explict affixes not implicit, there is no reason you wouldn't be able to recomb them or fracture them.

>>566676298
It made me realize how archaic the genre is and how hard the games in it are sticking to objectively worse mechanics just for traditions sake. I don't even like PoE2 a lot but I can literally not list a single reason for an ARPG to not have WASD movement

>>566676307
I wonder if there will be any more teasers, given that both the shield and the grenade launcher were teased in the announcement/website

>>566662350
yeah, put 17 in the team

>>566675862
You didn't offer an argument to begin with. All you have is seething rage and name calling at the perfection of PoE 1, and a desperate cope that a slower, worse game is actually better because you've already sunk cost into it or something. The only response to vermin like you is insults in kind. You're a garbage person and nobody cares about your garbage opinions.

>>566676128
I hate it, coming from poe1 and MOBAs, but that's just personal preference. Objectively speaking it's probably better since certain skills would be difficult to use otherwise.

>>566676128
i played a thousand hours on controller and tried to swap to wasd
couldn't do it

>>566675685
either delve or do rin else just buy the map or a party slot

Is there any way to test POE2's network connection? I've never had problems with a game other than this one but I was getting freezes all over the aztec pyramid area and even worse inside the pyramid area with the sun thing.

Wall of text coming. Sorry to those of you who thinks this is AI, but I'm writing to vent: 8100 hours in PoE1 and PoE2 genuinely feels like a different genre wearing PoE's skin. This isn't about difficulty either. I've done RL1 runs in Elden Ring, pushed Masters in Apex, completed difficult precision games etc. I like challenging games when the challenge fits the genre. PoE2 doesn't feel challenging to me nearly as much as it feels tedious. Everything is deliberately slowed down. Huge maps, backtracking, slower progression, slower combat, and mandatory Ascendancy trials that feel completely disconnected from the rest of the game. Sanctum especially makes no sense as mandatory progression. If a build can clear high tier maps and pinnacle bosses but still gets punished by Honour mechanics, then the trial is testing a niche minigame rather than overall character progression. Ascendancy is supposed to help builds come online. Instead it feels like one of the hardest checks in the game for some archetypes. And after 200+ hours the main thing I keep coming back to is that PoE1 rewarded mastery differently. The more knowledge you gained, the more momentum you gained. Eventually your builds transcended the friction. PoE2 feels almost afraid of letting the player reach that point. "One game, two campaigns" honestly feels absurd in retrospect because these games barely play alike anymore.

>>566677664
you probably have a shitty CPU

>>566677668
retard

>>566662350
>Tub of shit
>BFR
>anime spam faggotry
>retard
4chan's /poeg/ is cringe and gay, russian 2ch /poeg/ is much better for meme potential.

>>566677668
thanks for the reddit gold, kind stranger!

>>566677719
I've got a 9700x, it's been pretty good for a year now. No other game has given me issues like this.

>>566677847
fr fr bussin on god bet

>>566677664
connection quality is usually way worse late in the league

>>566677664
press f1 to see the performance overlay

>>566678362
Thanks

If your IQ is below 150, I don't want to hear your opinion on anything related to Path of Exile.

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Why do redditors eat this shit up? It's always this same guy.

>>566678778
sorry you'll have to settle for my 99.6th percentile IQ instead

>>566678994
A better question is; why the fuck are you on Reddit to look for those posts in the first place?

>>566678994
Those redditors huh?
By the way what do you think using reddit makes you?

>>566678778
Uncle Ted was 160 and would have HATED path of tubshitting

ted kaczynski was a midwit

>>566677668
>Let me open with my 25k hours worth of achievements in gaming
>My opinions is this
Didn't read. You're the same as a blue haired woman with a lifetime addiction to SSRIs telling me how I should think. you're too ill to be taken seriously

>>566678994
I genuinely never liked that meme. I have no idea who that mexican guy is, but I don't find the shrill laughing to be very funny.

>>566659864
>Then I notice that each character animates the exact same, not like poe1 where they have very different vibe, like how witch stands with the weapons compared to marauder, it seems like absolutely none of that is in poe2.
GGG talked about this, if they want to do new animations for a new skill in PoE1 they have to do an individual animation for each of the characters because they are all rigged differently or something along those lines. They changed it in PoE2 to streamline the process of animating, so now, in theory, they can do more unique animations for skills.

>The amount of asset reuse in this campaign is actually crazy.
"Asset reusing" is like the whole philosophy of GGG, it's to churn out content faster, snow areas in PoE1 are Sand areas re-painted white (or maybe the other way around I don't remember), there's a whole section about this in the GDC talk that Chris made way back.

There seems to be a large overlap between hating Poe 2 and being a third worlder or unemployed. Curious!

>>566677668
>level one elden ring runs
stopped reading this reddit post here

I've tried multiple times but I just can't enjoy poop2. It's such a fucking slog, I can't make it through 1 act before having to take a break. Everything is just slow boring and ascendancies are all just inferior to poop1.

>>566680342
F I L T E R E D

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>kill a wolf
>it drops 37 gold, a rune, and a two-handed mace

>>566680342
me except poe1 is the slog because its so boring

>>566680342
retard

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>>566680590
>hit a statue with a hammer
>it starts bleeding

Don't forget: Graphics are inherently anti-soul.
The less high-fidelity a game looks, the more implicit soul it has.

>>566680590
>kill a fully armored knight enemy who has a sick weapon
>drops 2 currency orbs and a jewel
>can see his armor and weapon right there but it's not lootable

>>566680313
Why? If the argument was to introduce game difficulty, level 1 runs in souls games are the definition of difficult compared to a softcore ARPG playthrough.
>muh reddit
At some point you have to realize that this is a non-argument. You have an opportunity to reach beyond the "retard"-posting that goes on here. You don't have to be edgy, man.

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>>566680509
Definitely

>>566680761
Building is much more rewarding in that game

>>566680785
Explain how?

>>566677668
The game is awful, so many issues and terrible practices that if any other dev did them they would be raked over the coals for it. Can't believe there's regulars in these threads defending this dogshit, almost as bad as the cock sucking redditors.

>>566680952
retard

>>566681002
retard

i havent played since poo2 launch and the new league info looks pretty appealing. are there any good resources out there other than just reading every patch notes that would help catch me up on all of the content since release?

>>566680872
how does a game gain explicit soul then?

>>566681002
uh yeah we know pob is more fun than poe1, thats why its bad

>>566665365
You know damn fucking well the bottom of the tree has literal JACK shit nothing for weapon damage nodes, the retarded helmet doesnt even do anything interesting its SOLE purpose it "turn on the bottom part of the tree"

>>566680952
rattling off challenge runs completed in other games speaks to a lack of confidence the writer has in their argument. how good you are at a game or games in general has no bearing on whether or not you like the pacing of PoE2.

>>566681214
Lol no. Had to be there. It's like PoE 1 now, you missed the thread now you have to use some youtubeslop build

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>>566681349
>Implying people don't pob in poo2

>>566681725
NTA but people qualify their statements all the time because if they don't the first thing someone will say is "skill issue" or "git gud". Qualifying your statement to show that you are actually capable shows that you are not coming from a place of inability but actually talking about game design issues.

You knew this already though.

>>566674938
labs are at least shorter, and don't rely on a secondary defense mechanism that bypasses your build in order to complete them

>>566681725
I see what you mean. It's not intended as a bragging thing, but rather to dismantle the whole "the game is meant to be difficult" argument. I don't find it difficult, I find it tedious. Big difference. It's not exactly easy to get a proper discussion going on here about anything either. Most posts are met with "retard" and other drive-by meme replies.

>>566681893
retard

>>566681726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbRZsTqyT2E
watching this as the first YT result i found shruge