>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/04-30-2026-update.129989/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>567067292
Sex with Venator
>victor needs to farm 30 minutes to be onlineHELP ME REDDIT HELP ME ICEFROG IM BEING RAPED>victor can ignore enemies all together and start afk pressing W at walkers at 8 minutes after his 4.8k gun spikethis is good interactive gameplay, actually
Pull. Back.
add a female ixian already
Mina players. They owe me sex.
>play support>team sucks and I lose>play carry>do what I'm supposed to and winWhy do niggas even play carries if they suck at the game?
Paige players owe me sex>>567157757Plap pig...
Circleslop needs to be toned down significantly for release, nobodys gonna want to play a game where the team with the most circle-shaped abilities wins every teamfight
>Win 3 in a row>Rank doesn't go up>Lose once>DerankHuh? Thank you Yoshi.
>random paige>my team is uncarryable>keep them in the game for 40 minutes anyway>yoshi doesn't derank me because they detected I was the only sentient player on my teamThank you Yoshi.
Get that ass death slammed.
It's time for you guys to concede you can't just call everything you don't like slop.
>>567158787Circleslop predates Deadlock, and League of Legends for that matter. That trend started in DOTA.
>>567158787uh oh the slopanon thinks his sloposts have weight
geists bomb 5AP should just stick a DoT on everyone that gets hit for the full damage, one circleslop spell too many
>"circle slop"legitimately the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life
>pick silver>win>pick silver again>loseDEADTARDS??????????
>>567159482clearly you haven't heard NA comms
>>567159518I don't use comms
>>567159482Impossible; everybody hears themselves talk from time to time.
>>567159735that makes no fucking sense
>>567159482
>>567159798
retard
THEY'RE GONNA REGRET MAKIN' ME MAD>*transforms and heals back up to 500 hp*>*leaps out of the fight*>*lands in s+ tier*>*ziplines to base*AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>567159798ESL, or just kinda dim? You should be thankful that deadlock rewards players with hands as well as brains.
>my teammate Mina keeps poking her passive on minions all the way back so I gotta push foward to collect souls>securing/deying souls is almost impossible thanks to the Graves on the other side and her infuriatingly retarded gun>mfw almost 2k soul gap on lane before minute 6 without any of us 4 dyingI'd rather have explosive diarrhea for 2 days straight again than to endure this cancerous early game ever
>>567160057Weird question, but why does every (((pro))) meme on about her 1's current health damage?For context billy has something similar on his maxxed out 2 and no one gives a shit. (His is even better since its max health, not current health, alongside being on a 10 second CD if you hit)
it doesn't really make sense to me how wraith deals no damage when she's on my team but she's a rapist on the enemy team
>>567161595Every carry player is a boosted, subhuman monogloid that can only function by playing the most OP broken shit ever thats why.
>>567161158we don't sign our posts here
>>567161395>>my teammate Mina keeps poking her passive on minions all the way back so I gotta push foward to collect soulsThis drives me fucking insane man, especially when they're low on health and it's only a detriment to them and they murder creeps from the furthest distance possible, you even get mongoloids who will be on 20% health, kill the healing creep from across the lane, and then walk away to run boxes or some shit with no healing rite and no extra regen
They need to bring back the lines with the profanity. It wasn't like it was overused or anything, I think there were only 3 lines total but with such small changes we lost so much>Someone stun that fucking robot.>You're in the big leagues now, bitch!>Shut the fuck up.
>>567162597Removing welcome to the big leagues bitch was awful, added to Lash. Generally speaking the character interactions are pretty decent compared to a lot of modern slop.>Savannah: Can we please pretend to like each other for 60 minutes?>Henry: I'm gonna be optimistic and say... "sure". I think most nu-writers would've interjected some witty quip but they keep it grounded. Not every line needs to try being funny.
>its another "0/5 teammate buys trophy collector as second item" episode
>>567162597who said those voicelines? I'd like to hear them I know Holliday said the last
>>567157242Calm down Mina!
>>567164331Both of them were Lash
>>567164473thanks
>>567161551>why do pros discuss the elements that make the strongest character in the game since she was introduced strong, while ignoring the hero that dies instantly to parryIt is a mystery
>>567164565>strongest character in the gameThat's my wife alright
>>567164204my L->R says it's op
That FOV shit legit needs to get banned. It's disgusting that there are """"pro""" players who play in DNS streaming with this cheat.
>0/3 bebop rushes echo shardits over.
>>567164565You're talking to a silverfag, it doesn't matter what proof you bring up they'll either reply sarcastically or cry about her needing infinite stamina and 50%/50% resists for the entire duration of her ult. We've been over this already and i just wish they'd shut up for once so we can have a peaceful thread, not that, that will ever happen unfortunately
>>567165262>Spirit Geist>Spirit Bebop>Spirit Lash>Spirit DrifterSigns you're going to lose
>>567165362>>Spirit DrifterYou can win with this one if the Drifter knows what he's doing BUT 90% only knows the youtube ritualist meme build where all they do is become a markbot. The Toxic Bullets Spirit Drifter is still an underground /dlg/ build.
>>567165362Qrd on why spirit giest is bad?
>>567165329ThisShe's literally unbeatable
>>567165591The bomb is the worst part of her kit for anything outside of seekerThe average player isn't going to standstill to the bombAlso the more spirit she gets, the more damage she deals to herselfMeanwhile she has gun items like Beserker that are perfect for her since you can keep it up 24/7TL:DR you shouldn't build spirit besides getting radiant regen
>>567165271You can just roll parry normally, dont have to IAD any more you filthy movement tranny. Your advantages are slowly being removed. Fuck you.
>>567161551Because all of Billy's other abilities have better T3 upgrades and Silver gets to 1 for 17% current health as damage, transform, and then 1 again for both melee damage and 10% missing health as damage.
>>567165591>way less damage than gun>still have to stay close and shoot a lot like a gun character if you want to have impact>if you go full bomb memes you are just playing dynamo without black hole
>>567162597Why did you let me know they censored it. Fuckin woke cunts m8
DEADLOCK IS UNDER ATTACK BY THE WOKE LEFT
>>567165719most movement techs are easy to do, but corner boosting is what divides the population. if they remove that consider schoovement dead
>>567165591Spirit geist is fine, good even, but you need to at least get berserker it's just too much damage to leave on the table. Then get k-dash for your 4.8k and youre good.
>>567165836If the game was made in Asia maybe.
>>567165862most people that say "spirit giest" aren't talking about buying green items and shoving peoples shit in with blood shards they are talking about being a useless soul vacuum by throwing bombs from 100 yards away
>>567165719you didn't have to actually hit a real IAD to do a moving parry. that shit had zero mechanical execution requirementthe sole and exclusive benefit of an IAD is not getting airdragged at the end. that's itIAD should be bufferable though
toime to drink oop
>>567166317toime ta see what yuh penis loogs lige
>>567166138i thought spirit geist was just sucking people off with the two
Is there a move speed cap?
Why is she so OP?You know who I'm talking about.
geist just goes around sucking people off yeswhere do you think she got her money from
>>567165854to this day i still forget which one's a cornerboost and which ones an edgeboost
Haze is Missing
Kind of wish they'd just flat out remove the heal on kill for Rake, Mina's kit is already pretty saturated and the free burst healing in lane or even during fights just feels like too much
Buff Graves gun dps and autoaim range.
i just fought against a curse assassin haze. fucking nigger legit has no counterplay
the crackshot build...finally worked...
>>567169292Its OP as shit>Invis into Sleep Dagger into Ult + Slowing hex/Curse/WarpstoneThe only thing keeping haze back is haze players treating her like a carry instead of a pick hero.
>>567169551>bought cooldownfucking finallyi prefer going for enchanter's emblem + compress cooldown which is already enough to lower the amount of headshots required for crackshot to regen. tcd then is just a bonus slotlock upgrade for later. also add active reload or titanic mag in there for 1600 so you can actually proc endless crackshots since she has no ammo by default and a very long reload time
>>567169551Kdash is quite good for it.
>infernus gets to 98% HP>dashes away to base in 0.1 nanosecond
freezing dem! :D*did 70% of your hp with 0 spirit items*
>play against a victor and celeste lane as graves, half my team is inting>we dog walk the victor since he's a retard and runs at the tower because his ult is a free rejuv + slow + stamina farmer + stun>the game ends with victor having most damage/obj damage/healing and only 6 deathsThis is fucking bullshit, yoshi needs to nerf this shit or make it work like sion's passive where it still counts as a fucking kill, this piece of shit died like 16 or 20 times yet he gets to get away with most of them, he also can just run at you and at your walker and there's 0 counterplay because you killing him is a part of his gameplan, you did NOTHING of value if you kill him because fuck you>inb4 his ult is on CD now at least70 FUCKING seconds, it's lower then graves ult which does jack shit while being breakable, ffs it's lower then seven's ult and that guy bought the CD item, obviously we would've stood a chance if shiv did any damage(19k, second lowest in the lobby was 36k ffs) and if lash landed any of his ults but victor's ult is still bullshit, they really need to change the CD on dome of these ults
>>567172014retard
>>567169551not enough shred desu
gunslop killed deadlock
doorman is so fun no wonder he gets banned he just circumvents all the annoying nonsense>YOU WILL BE JUD-Baronessed>RUN FOR YOUR PITIFU-Majestic Leap into baronessed>IN HERE I A-Baronessed>LETS SEE YOU STIL-Baronessed
is mercurial magnum the single strongest m1 item right now?feels like every time i get it my damage skyrockets, no matter the hero
>>567172214Faggot
>>567172685In ideal scenarios glass cannon with some stacks is the best
>>567172685how? if you're going full m1 build you probably don't have much spirit power, in which case the extra spirit damage per bullet you get from merc mag is less than a 3200 gun item like point blank. sure if you have boundless spirit it'll do decent damage but it'll get spirit resisted anyway
>>567172014yeah the game is being pushed into just being moronic brainless gameplay which sucks no more skillshots or anything just big bursts of spam and literal walk forward and kill everything mechanics
>>567172980to clarify, yes for wraith it's obviously one of her core items. i think it's a bit overrated on warden but still good. but it's definitely not the strongest item on haze, mirage or venator for example
>>567172405Doorman is really fun until you hit the point every sapient player on the enemy team has indomitable and unstoppable.Then you tend to fall off a cliff, since your kit is incredibly reliant on CC and now you're not allowed any.
>>567173587indomitable is fine just buy silence wave against them it'll eat the indomitable and then you ult or cart them its really not that good of an item
>>567173626It's stats are also ass, seems l ike a trap item.
qing up for some shiv games.
>>567173626Well yeah either of them on their own is fine, the problem is that if you play Doorman too well they buy both and now you have to hope your team can punish them enough for having bought two T4 counters for you specifically.If they just have Indomitable you get it out of them with silence wave or some other instant CC.If they just have Unstoppable you can try to catch them before they pop it or even just get used to instantly hitting them with cursed relic.If they have both, Indomitable stops you from getting them before they can pop Unstoppable.
would indom be op if it could block curse too?
>>567174074no, you can already counterspell curse and good players will just use slowing hex or something to proc it than curse you.
>>567174074It can as far as I knowI think Indomitable's an okay item, fills a niche that I kind of felt was missing which is "Counterspell but shittier and automatic".So Counterspell is still a superior item if you can see shit coming but Indomitable still has the niche of stopping the shit you don't see.
>>567174465I just realised it's just Linkins but with shitty stats and not only point and click spells.
>>567172014It's really sad how gun Victor is brainless as fuck and deals insane amounts of damage, even compared to his spirit variant, because when he's spirit you need to farm a fuckton and be wise in the fights you pick Unironically graves takes more skill than this shit because she folds like paper, needing good position and with her mediocre numbers you have to be good to get any value out of her, at least in phantom I'm a Victorfag and it's immensely depressing to see THE spirit character turned into gunslop with a retarded ult and people defending this shit because >It's more fun than farming the whole game and doing damage earlierMaybe it's me being an autistic retard but I like when carries need to farm a lot to deal damage and are defenseless during early/mid game
>>567167269essentially yes, you're roughly capped to ~800 u/s. that's a soft speed limit, so there's contexts where you can exceed it, but generally that's the limit and various drag penalties will pull your speed down below it (like aidrag from airdashing or normal slide friction)shit like ziplaunches (which are niche/inconsistent, not the same as zipdashing) can send your ass flying much faster and for longer due to ziplines giving you ~2s of no drag penalty when crouching off>>567172685probably not, consult your damage graphs to see what it's doing for youbut it adds spirit damage based on your _base_ bullet damage, which is something that exclusively scales with boons (and spirit if you're grey talon).it also needs decent spirit invest to get that number up, and that scaling is still pretty rough when compared to orange options. also it's spirit damage, and spirit res is core in like 90% of games. there's no AP rounds equivalent for spirit damagegrabbing lucky shot for the ~60% more damage is probably way more valuable for most heroes in most situations.like for warden, max boons, lucky shot as part of 16k gun invest is adding about +42 damage on average. whereas merc mag as part of 16k spirit (with boundless) is adding +30 spirit damage. you have to be a wraith/warden type for it to even be close
>>567175059thanks anon
>>567161551Because they ignore the math and facts, the %hp damage slam fire deals is objectively negligible.
>>567174984gunslop being meta is so fucking boring everyone is gun celeste victor these are the spirit heros and they're building gun its so fucking stupid
>>567172980>>567173254>>567175059Seeker-kun...
>>567175742retard
>>567175407The sad part is that it's not even necessarily a gunslop meta but a hybrid one, a lot of the gun characters still build purples because they all have spirit scaling. Then you have cancer like curse/slowing haze raping you Idk I still play the game because nothing hits like it but since the march 6 patch, every update I've been having less and less fun. Last one in particular feels very bad now, the thropy collector change is unironically dogshit; the mova aspect of the game seems to be gone, and in its place constant brawling has taken hold and retarded strategies like gun Victor raping your shrines and walkers needing at least 2-3 people to bring him down
>>567176129To add into this as I'm already complaining like a bitchThe meta slaves are personally one of the things I hate the most. Scarcely I see Geist, Dashfernus, Venator and others that were meta, now replaced by Victor, Doorman and Mina in every single match, no exceptions. I have Victor banned and it has no effect whatsoever. It's always the same characters over and over again and this isn't even ascendant/eternus
>>567176129>>567176331Unironically the solution is to throw a paltry amount of spirit resist into a whole bunch of early itemsJust like that, gunsheeps will see the "massive sweeping nerfs" and be completely dissuaded from going hybrid, while spiritfags won't really be punished very much at all
any tips for how to play sinclair? i want to learn how to play this badboy as i hate my wife
>>567176578i've heard enoughnerf toxic and siphon by another 5%
>>567172014>league playerpost discarded
is it dogshit macro day or something? everyone is just giving away walkers for free
>>567176806>gun victor is good for the game :)/dlg/ is dead.
>>567176882can you explain why it's bad without resorting to "only a hero with a designated gun passive should be buying gun"?
Victor's ult shouldn't go off if he's silenced or cursed.
>>567177138victor's ult should be an active ability, not a passive when he dies. so its counterable with disables but has the upside of being an on-demand large slowing AoE that can stun everyone for 4 seconds
>>567176882I don't think any m1gger deleting any objective in under 2 seconds is good for the game. Victor isn't even that fast at doing it compared to others.There's just less risk due to the 2 healthbars. And your Venator or Wraith inting into objectives and throwing their lives away over and overagain throws the game because you actually need them to win fights.
>>567175742high level alchemist analysis as alwaysif you're building this shit on someone who doesn't already build spirit you're lowkirkenuinely throwing
Walkers shouldn't gain resistance the more enemy players are nearby.You should be encouraged to group for a walker push, not just send a single person to pick it in 2 seconds while you BRAWL in the centre of the map.
>>567158435Paige would not play Minecraft she would be a Stardew Valley thottie
when are they buffing silver...
Paige canonically ____s horses.
>>567177586Next patch, the devs know she's weak as they have the stats unlike influencers and "pros" pretending her slamfire % hp damage matters.
>instant queue pop>completely rape the enemy teamheh... guess it's me they've chosen to deliver your forced loss... nothing personnel, kids....
>>567177046>can you explain why it's bad without resorting to "only a hero with a designated gun passive should be buying gun"?54.90%>>567177138Victor's should work the sams way it does now, but get 2 things, one a massive fucking CD like giest, and two it counts as a death in his KDA and gives souls/trophy stacks to the enemies, because as is Victor can genuinely run it down and still win
>>567177875>54%i guess spirit dynamo is bad for the game toonotably, victor has never been an issue when he built spirit items, and people never complained
Paige's 3 should disable parrying when you get hit so you can actually play melee Paige, why else give her melee attacks spirit scaling?
>>567178581paige should have autoaim healing beam secondary attack
>"upgrade" from a failing 3080 card to a 5070>get 200 fps most of the time but during big team fights where there's lots of effects drops to 100, never happened on my 3080Don't fall for the xx70 card meme. Get an xx80 minimum. And yeah, I've followed optimization guides. Could this just be an issue that will be fixed when Deadlock gets dedicated driver updates or does the 5070 just suck?
Sometimes when I feel bad I queue brawl as Mina and ass rape pubbies for a few hours...
>play a new character>everyone is dogshit for some reason and we're getting stomped 24/7>hop on my main>everyone suddenly is playing like they have a mouse and keyboardCan they just remove hero MMR already? Jesus fuck.
r8 h8>no bootsI just like schmovement and 90% of my vinny games are 3+ anvils (staggered for counterspell)+two people diving me constantly.>why no improved spiritno space, I like my actives and cdr. It's an experiment though I'll need to see how it feels in a real game.>>567179551Isn't she bad in Brool technically?
>>567176789please....
>>567179643>play green arrowfree win>play red arrowunwinnable nightmare hellscape
>>567176789I don't play that hero because despite a somewhat high skill floor and theoretically interesting kit I find him too boring to get over the hump of being new on him. I also ran down too many games doing melee sinclair memes and the games are giga aids if I queue him
>>567179821I mean she's only a brool rapist if you know how to abuse her by rake maxxing. Everyone builds bites and ult when they should be imbuing their rake first then building out spirit damage late.
whats the point of parrying if you can just bait heavy melee then heavy melee at me after
>>567180392>babby's first 50/50
>>567180174Brool is where I realised "wait a minute, you don't need a single point in LB's to do damage..." I tried it in the normal mode and felt amazing there too.
>>567180479it's a 100/0 in the one that heavy melees first's favor
>>567180541are you being mind controlled? if you don't expect them to commit, don't parry, punish. that's what makes it a 50/50and if you don't want to play the 50/50, stay out of melee range
>>567180473She showers once a month, tops
>>567180673huh yeah that's true, i guess i just have parry ingrained as muscle memory now
>celeste is talking shit all game >gets hooked>someone pauses>he abandons right afterkekaroo
>>567176789Step 1 is understanding that you are not a carry in the usual sense, you will never top the damage or be a killing machine like other characters, so building for things like bolt(past Rapid Recharge) or hexmelee is stupidUsually you need to identify big ults like Death Slam or Singularity to steal and then build around that with items like Warp Stone or Majestic Leap, if they have no particularly useful ults your fallback is Echo Shard hexSinclair is really high effort most of the time because you are highly pressured both to steal ults before/during a fight without getting picked, and then actually using your shit effectivelySome builds list things like Veil Walker or Magic Carpet to more easily grab ults from the backline, but with good positioning and movement you can normally get away with a defensively pre-positioned Assistant to blink to
>>567170619>titanic magdamn anon you're a beast never realised just how good titanic mag would be on holliday
>>567180473Guess the 72 hour deodorant ran out
>>567179821Why counterspell core instead of optional defensive? Also Stam Mastery seems like total trash.
>ranks recalculate after not touching standard for a month>knocked down to alchemistI have returned to the realm of fun
>>567176789Some general tips for Sinclair Ult Portion-First of all identify the team comp if your lane has good ults to steal fine try to swap into a lane that has good ults like Seven or Dynamo -To play Sinclair you need to know kinda about people's kit since you'll (probably) be building spirit never steal ults like Venator's or Haze's with Ults there are some gotchas like for example if you steal Kelvin's Dome and then dome him and THEN he domes your dome will be gone another trick ult is Mina's Mina's ult sucks to copy because you dont get the benefits from Love BitesBolt Portion-Your bread and butter for like 40% of the game then it falls off hard but it still does a lot of damage-Sinclair is actually a REALLY good objective breaker because you can assistant shoot a bolt into the air and because the damage scales with distance you can bring it down and nuke walkers you can also do the same for people shoot it in the air redirect it to themRabbit Portion-Don't sleep on the rabbit its really REALLY good remember you can't stop channeling ults with it so turning haze into a rabbit isn't gonna do anything rather punch the shit out of them than shoot them since they can't parry (unless they parry RIGHT before turning into a rabbit-Rabbit is also good for stealing mid boss you'll have greater expansion so in team fights you can potentially turn 4 people into rabbits
>>567179821>no Enduring Sneed>Quicksilver Reload>Stamina Mastery>CooldownAside from those it looks good
>>567180036>>567179886>>567176789>>567181504if i hex someone during parry animation do they keep parrying?
>>567181630yep but its a really tight window you'd need to rabbit and then in that split second that the aura is on the ground if they're parrying they'll still be parrying
>>567177440She'd exclusively play old japanese VNs
i love victor
>>567182461spirit or gun
>>567182668Always spirit fuck that gunslop I fucking hate it so much bro it's so soulless
>>567181506Alright I removed my personal preferences for movement autism and active spam. Also thoughts on spellslinger?
What's the meta gun vic build?
>>567182793you're good sir
Diviner's kevlar shouldn't have a cooldown
>>567183156who even buys that anymore
>>567183239No one because it has a cooldown
first three shiv games have been on point. My macro is pristine. Ranking is still weird to me. I ranked up 2 divisions in like 3 games. Seems like my hidden MMR is higher than my ranked MMR and I make crazy gains? Does somebody know how this works? I dont get why we cant just see our MMR number like in Dota. Probably cuz they are tweaking the ranked mechanics and it will become public later.
>>567182819Spellslinger seems kind of weird since you'll need to spam a few Assassinates to get full stacks, Burst Fire and Blood Tribute gives more than enough fire rate and if mag size is a problem Titanic Mag is unironically a pretty good buy on her in my opinion
>watch a eternus vid of someone playing against victor>victor has a 7× killstreak because every time he dies and it's on a 70s cooldown so lol, lmao, good luck getting him in-between ultsAt this point i genuinely don't know what yoshi is doing, when are they coming back from hawaii?
>>567183364nigga the cooldown is 40 secondsany ult that is lower than that is one where letting them proc diviner's every use would be retarded
>>567184358It should proc on every cast of Vindicta's ult :)
>>567184245anon are you dullthe patch that buffed victor was after their hawaii vacation it was two weeks ago
>>567184612>anon are you dullNo I'm special>after their hawaii vacationI thought they were still in hawaii, well since they're back how come they're not balancing the game?
>>567183962Yeah fair.
>>567183239Pocket for the ability duration, also Mirage because lol I just global teleported on your ass with a 2k barrier
>>567184841they did two weeks ago and they don't usually shit out patches more often than thatthey also hold off on balance patches when they think that they can get a content update out soon, which is rumored
>>567184612There's no proof they came back.
>>567185172Just like there's no proof they threw the leakers in a volcano, i have something i wanna show you anon GABE NEWELL SAYS HI!
>>567185713weirdly enough, this is the most realistic gore I've ever seen in any media before, although the guy getting shot didn't really sell it that well so it balances out
I finally won a game on shiv! My record is now 3 wins and 9 losses.their team had a DC
Is there a good Geist build that doesn't use kinetic dash? I hate kinetic dash as an item, it's so awkward to use when you actually need to use it.
>>567179309your cpu sucks
>>567186158he's deceptively hard.
>>567186751Nah it was fine with my previous card so not a CPU issue, plus this is my CPU:Processor 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900KF, 3187 Mhz, 16 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
>>567186901Yeah he's kicking my ass. But he's fun so I'll keep trying to get better...
>>567186901The problem imo is landing knives while you and the enemy are both moving, if you can do that consistently then you'll rape everyone
Haze needs to be nerfed. The silence on top of her ult is just too much, or they need to cut the radius in half
>>567187739the thing i hate about haze is that you can destroy her in lane she'll go farm and then come back later and just annihilate everyone so gay
Guys I need your opinion, should I rebind my right mouse button to crouch? Like all my instincts tell me that I should have ADS on right click but I feel like sliding is so much more common and I could probably just bind ADS to my side buttons
>>567187739I mean think about it this way, how many other heroes can kill almost anyone from full health with their ult alone?Haze can. Her ult is insane, and then it also prevents you from doing anything on top of that
>>567187817Literaly had a game yesterday she was 0/10 for a good amount of the game and we kept ganking her but she still farmed and did a lot of damage
Is binding crouch to right click a good idea for Vyper? What do the pros do?Feels weird fighting my muscle memory
any yamato players? whats the point of her 3's tier 1 upgrade that gives +30% melee damage for a whopping 4 seconds (not increased by Superior Duration)
>>567188479synergises well when you ult because you cant be stunned whne you ult so you can just punch the shit out of people
>>567186485I don't think so, it provides way too many important things at a time>4.8k gun, stamina, fire rate and mag size all from one itemIt's pretty much perfect aside from the activation requirement, nothing else really comes close aside from Active Reload which I think is a shitty item overall
>>567188479uhhh melee? weave in some light melees. you bought spirit strike/snatch anyway
>gun has literally every imaginable modifier item to ludicrous percents>spirit range and duration is highly limitedgoddamnit give me the 100% range/duration items already and I dint care if they come with a downside I wanna make some gimmick builds like eternal night drifter or giga orb seven
>>567189050Snatch already triggered from your 2, you now used your 3 and have a 4 second window to get some melees in and if the enemy is above initiate 1, they will know that you will want to get some melees because of the buff so they just parry randomly in those 4 secondsIt's an upgrade very out of place, should be on her 2 as tier 5 upgrade and buffed to 50% melee damage and 8 second duration
>>567189394You'd be surprised how many people don't parry Yamato during her ult because she's Unstoppable, and people definitely don't consider that t1 upgrade if they are parryingIt's definitely an odd upgrade because it's pretty much inconsequential, you could genuinely remove it and make it give nothing and her winrate would stay the same
Point Blank or Weighted Shots
>>567188479it lasts for 4 seconds and has a 5 second cooldown? and it literally is increased by duration
>>567189050>weave in some light meleesANON NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>567190064
>>567190064your hero?the enemy heroes?stage of the game?your rank?
I've played dozens of matches, and have never once parried anyoneI'm a parry virgin
>>567190064Pretty much universally Pröööh Shots these days because it also does a dash slow, I think only Pocket might prefer Point Blank
>>567190064Both
well i guess that ends my winstreak
Free me from work all I want is to play graves like a retard
>>567188020i bound my right click to jump (mainly to lower the tension in my aim when zooming + shooting) and after like a week or two the muscle memory became 100% locked in. so there's that if you're concerned. you will 100% fuck it up for a bit though. and you will definitely play worse during the period where you have to consciously think about your binds. but our brains are plastic, you'll be good.a lot of people put crouch on their side mouse buttons. i was raised on the source engine though so i keep it on ctrl, my pinky finger was molded for this by endless crouch jumps
>>567190835One day we will be free
>>567190869>>567188221
>>567190064i fucking HATE weighted shots. god it makes me feel so slow. even with stam mastery, any time i have to walk it's like i have cinderblocks tied around my ankles. i hate that it's objectively a great item on venator. fuck my big fat chud lifei'm about to start buying enduring speed + stam mastery as my green 4.8k. i know it's throwing, i don't CARE anymore
>reach Ascendant>'people' still just follow their L>R and don't buy Slowing Hex against Pocket/Mina/Infernus teamsThis vexes me
She's in.
>>567191330Enduring Speed is a staple item on Venator though, but Stam Mastery might be throwing
>>567191771i don't knoooow, stam mastery feels preeeeetttyyy goooodi have pretty solid movement and it feels pretty impactful in terms of pace
thanks based yoshi
>haven't played vyper in a billion years and only have 50 games on her>is still rated as my highest skill hero >recently had a 15 game loss streak that's fucked up my MMR>queue is 5 minutes I can already tell Yoshi is cooking me the most dogshit game known to man
>>567190818yeah, picking Holiday is griefing
>>567193306>finally get a game>guy on my team instantly DCsI'm scared
>>567192357Stam Mastery is pretty much never bad but I think I would rather have Spirit Resilience for my 4.8k usually
>EVERYTIME i almost rank up to arcanist i get the most horrendous games everthis isnt random
>>567192363Thank you for convincing me to not soloQ now that my duo is gone.
>>567190064Point blank is better at close range(melee heroes and graves) since it gives more damage. The slow is just a bonus that proccs immediately even from a stray bullet Weighted Shots is better for slowing targets harder(dash slow) IF you can build it up, it also gives you debuff resistance which helps against certain enemies, the problem with it is that it cripples your mobility too so on some heroes(graves) it's harder to justify unless you have stamina mastery, buying the un-upgraded tier 2 version is also an option since it has the slow without the debuffs to your movment
>>567191404I'm honestly just going to change all my builds to have two actives minimum, ideallly three or even four. I find the utility of them far more impactful than boundless in the outcome of games.
>>567190526low IQ post
>>567191404I'm on a 6 game loss streak and falling fast in Phantom. Game vs Lash/Mina/Dynamo/Celeste on the other team I was the sole owner of slowing hex, and counterspell. And we had a Paige with 0 actives. I fucking hate this worse than Oracle.
I CANT GET OUT OF FUCKING ALCHEMIST
>half of all spirit heroes are unplayable garbage compared to almost all gun heroes, since the strongest gun heroes can stomp with little to no effort while spirit heroes have to do some EE + Spirit Rend + Toxic Bullets bullshit and go gun-oriented anywayThanks Yoshi. Really love this patch, Yoshi.
>1/9 paradox tell me to stop copying bebop ult its shit copy graves instead>after mowing down 3 people with it>with max ult, boundless, EE, scroll, 260 spirit
>haze>venator>dynamo>mina>doorman>apollooh yeah, it's GETTING RAPED time
>>567194564Feels good to be a hardstuck Oracle I just stomping noobs all day.
>>567194723just spam one-trick haze right now, it's how I got out of alchemist for a split secondshe is balls to the walls busted currently, so don't listen to the eternus players calling her b tier or whatever the fuck
>>567186158ive gone on a huge loss streak since starting to learn him past week but im now 38 in 64 on a 7 game winning streak climbed up 3 divisions and its so much fun bros. I love SHIV!!!!
>>567195820She's B tier**Against players that know what they are doing so not 98% of the ladder
>Wraith fucking cries and shits their pants about needing side line>Yeah have it nobody cares dude>Never shows up to fights>Isn't even top farm over me roaming and killing on silver>game runs 40 minutes dude is 2 and fucking 8>we lose and on the screen he did 11k damage on WRAITHAm I being punished here? Was it because I didnt give any change to thst homeless guy? Please explain
mod link for this?https://files.catbox.moe/2sviny.mp4
>>567195820i was this close to coming out of alchemist and then >>567192363happened
>>567196302>retards like this will type "ez" after playing the most meta characters with cheatsI hate this dogshit game
>>567196171Swapping lanes loses games. I feel very anecdotally certain that that the matchmaker puts people against eachother in lanes for a reason. More often than not swapping just puts the worst player on your team against their best player and thats usually gg
I think one of my favourite things in this game is getting shit talked by carry players for playing 'brainless support builds' as if constantly fighting and making space is somehow less mentally stimulating than afking in the jungle for 25-35 minutes and then shooting midboss and some buildings.
nice matchmaking
>>567196598>check inside meta>it's all m1ggerswhat's the point of even going spirit anymore if you're not mina, dynamo or apollo
>>567196707silver is so strong...
>>567196691get so much shit as doorman for low kills etc when im the only one buying actives like relic pushing them away from team fights ulting haze/billy etc etc like the scoreboard isnt everything but kda bitches will never get that
>>567164204>proceeds to run it the fuck down all game trying to chase stacksI'm a trophy collector enjoyer, it does absolutely have merit. Often times I'll get 5-6k out of it and it'll basically afford me another t3 item at least while being a great item for roaming. But you can't just be shit at the game and then buy one. You have to actually be staying alive and picking people.
>>567196864If you're playing doorman with relic AND cd reducing your ult, and your team can't capitalize on that then they are just shit
I am so alone i will probably die alone. I don't know how to make friends. Every interaction I have with people feels like i am just annoying them. I failed as a human being anyway matchmaking still sucks
>>567197051In Deadlock you can hold the T key to talk over your microphone to your team.
>guy buys trophy collector second item>proceeds to go 0 8 1-_-
>>567197178bro my L->R said to buy it
>>567197327if valve removed the public build feature would people be shittier or would they get better?
>>567197634people would just follow builds online which would end up being even more strictly L->R like in league and dotaat least public builds have the OPTION to categorize and add notes for the people that want to learn
>>567197051Same, it's depressing>anyway matchmaking still sucksI don't mind the matchmaking, I'm more annoyed with how unbalanced some heroes are, mina gets 3 I-frames to dodge literally everything she can ever want to dodge, a gun that nukes people with a spirit burst and an ult on a low cooldown that fires a 100 bats each dealing damage + 1% of your current HP while also silencing you, genuinely what the fuck is this shit?
HOLLLLLLD!!!!!
>>567188221after fully just embracing ctrl as crouch, i now slide on every hero like vyper. if youre use to crouching with ctrl, just keep practicing and palying. no point in making it right click, shes not apollo
>>567197051SameMatchmaking will always be shit, but it's especially shit in it's current state because there just aren't enough people to actually fill the ranks out
Why isn't there a Mercy character yet?
i hate that fucking redskin savage
>>567198087>All 4 of Apollo's abilities allow him to move/escape>This includes a built in counterspell that stuns
>>567198734mercy, i res mercy? or mercy, hold left click to heal and right click to amp? because yoshi frog will never add a res hero or hasn't thought up one yet but prob thinks its cancer with the rejuv/aegis and victor/skeletonking
>>567188221Ive got dash, crouch, and parry on my mouse's thumb buttons personally
>>567199002I want a pacifist character in the game. I'm sure there are a lot of other people as well who want to play Deadlock but are waiting for a Mercy clone to be added.
>>567198848Bruh slowing hex
>>567198243Why can Apollo hold his ult forever anyways?
is mystic burst's 40 bonus damage the maximum after charge up or the minimum?
>>567199208power creep
>>567199276maximum after charge up
>>567199183with the amount that current """supports""" that are in the game, they can do so much. are you expecting him to place a hero that just stands there? evading fights is just a natural thing for a support style and with how much goes on in the game, being a "pacifist" hero made by icefrog doesn't exist, closest is WW but in the end, all dota heroes and soon to be deadlock heroes will fall into "supports strong". again, i doubt youll get a hero that does nothing and is called a support like lucio, youre more likely to see support heroes with even more complex abilities
>>567191404some people are at their rank because of their aimsome people because of strategy, teamwork and shotcallingsome because they spam meta heroessome because of other mechanicsand some because they are perfectly average at everything
>>567199183>>567199591
>>567199183Please no. Hero shooter supports are fucking braindead "hold left/right click to heal while the people in front of you actually play the game"
>all 6 enemies buy curse>constantly finding isolated teammates, non-stop 1v2's, 1v3's and 1v4's as they appear out of nowhere, back to back curses, knockdowns and slowing hexes>check statlockers and steam profiles after game>they were solo, none of them appeared in each other's friend list or previous matches>their other matches had completely normal statshow the fuck could eu archon solos have this level of coordination
>>567199870Even Overwatch has moved away from that shit
>my team>silver venator calico sinclair>their team>dynamo haze apollo wraithwow this is soooo random haha! this is sooooo random!
>>567199865okay great example of pacifist hero but he came after icefrog made by the b team with his approval.
what's the most important skill for a support player to have
>>567200067all supports for valve fall into "utility" which can be a swiss army knife to anything they can think up for that kit.
>>567199183>Deadlock but i'm not obligated to participate in any teamfights or shoot or cast abilitiesthis is why i get mad at Morales players in HotS because they fart around all game thinking healing beam is their only job
>>567199959>sinclair gets dynamo ult with half the cooldownI don't see the problem
>>567191404>Enemy Drifter and Haze are both beyond fed and shredding everybody that comes into sight of them>30 minutes in, our Apollo says on mic "some bullet resist would be nice">I'm the only one with disarming hex and metal skin (as Mirage), our Paige has no form of CC whatsoever, only purple damage items. I can't exactly do shit with one hex against two people >Apollo has juggernaut>Nobody else on my team has any counter items or CC>Ascendant 1 game
>>567200304sadly you dont have the health of dynamo so go ahead and dynamo ult while haze blows you up
>>567196707>11k damage hazehow
>>567195996Good work ShivGOD. I had the same experience with Celeste, I think I was like 3-10 or something disgusting like that when I started learning her, but eventually I started winning and now I think I'm pretty good with her. I'm hoping I get better at Shiv too but man eating all the losses at the beginning is painful...
wish we culd upgrade into a version of the brawl omniring thing, but it would be perma imbued locked in your invo so cant sell, can only buy/upgrade into ONE lego in standard. something weird like that idk, they would be op, might need to stay in brool and would overshadow the Agh's if it ever arrives
>>567196614Yep, only possible when the teams are very balanced.
>play Ivy, masterfully save teammates out of position, buy counter items, form ganks>no commends everfuck these ungrateful shits
>>567200878I hate Ivy and I'm not commending you for playing "Do Everything" the support.
>>567199959youre complaining about having a venator and sinclair on your team?
>>567200964compared to dynamo apollo haze? yes? I wouldnt complain if apollo and haze were idk abrams and bebop or something but all of them together? Yes
>>567200946>"Do Everything" the supportI don't play Dynamo though.
>Teammate calls out for urn run>Good call>Spergs on mic because the nearest teammate did not teleport onto it in .01 secondI will now throw the match
>>567199002>because yoshi frog will never add a res heroVictor>bu-Victor in his current state is cancerous, especially with items like resilience and refresher, which are not needed anyways because his ult is on a 70s cooldown
>>567200474>erm the haze will do 3000 damage uninterrupted while your team does nothing to stop her or to kill the people you've caughtSo in this Sinclair scenario either my team is retarded or I'm retardedly trying to 3v1 with Dynamo ult which exists entirely for teamfighting.In either scenario a 1000 health difference is the least of my problems.
>>567201275>erm the haze will do 3000 damage uninterrupted while your team does nothing to stop her or to kill the people you've caughtliterally yes
>>567201240chill bro if you read, im refrencing that victor/skeleton king is a res hero.
>buy counterspell>victor dies with ult>hehe, little does he know i can countersp->mistime it and get stunned>three times across two matches I hate being retarded
>>567199959Silver and venator are not bad, sinclair is entirely dependant on the skill of his player so he's probably bad, calico is just a dogshit mosquito unless she's ahead by 5~10 kills and even then mina would fo more with that
>>567201707im so bad with CS I just but indomitable
>>567201707>I hate being retardedSame, though i just bought spirit resilience and tried my hardest to carry the most retarded team on earth.
>>567201863I like the concept of indom but I swear I never have it when I need it, it always got proc'd by some random shit ten seconds ago before a fight even started
>>567200067Awareness and communicating that awareness to the rest of the team. Then being effective in picking up the right utility for the needs of the game. Then being good at movement so you don't eat shit when you're focused.
>Skulls have 20 HP> + 1.3 hp per boon(so max is +45.5 hp for 65.5 hp total)I knew the skulls were squishy but why exactly do they have so little health that a fucking light melee early game can break them late game? I thought they'd at least have like a 100 hp or something like that
>>567186158shiv is broken overpowered bullshit, enjoy it while it lasts faggot
I really love how wraith can melt a walker in 5 seconds before 12 minutes no thats cool
>>567200878most people don't engage with commends during the game. and they mostly don't give a fuck about clicking commends on the scoreboard either unless they won. it's literally as dumb as if I commend 5 people I will get 5 commends back. if I don't commend anyone, I probably won't get commends. I could be like 8-4-25 on a support ivy and people won't commend until I've commended first. I think they just forget about the system or don't care enough unless a 'like back' prompt comes up on their screen.
>>567203060Not when I play him! One of those losses was to a gun rem btw
>I am an anti-social autistic nigger, what game shall I play>Singeplayer? No>1v1 Multiplayer? No>Coop game? No>Highly competitive team based 6v6? YES. YES THIS IS FOR ME!!!
>>567196768Counterspell being OP doesn't help things either.
>hooks you from across the map and kills you instantly while being a gun carry, pick hero, and tanknow that the dust has settled and everyone thinks he is S tier, why was he even considered the "worst hero" for so long?
>>567203223Were you muted? Lmao why are you seething here about it
>>567202972because they fucking hurt and are a nuisance to take out while Graves is sucking on you with her hand
>>567203229Because everything built spirit on him, the devs wanted you to build spirit on him too so him becoming a gun carry was unexpected
Thank you yoshi for putting vyper and wraith in this game they are so much fun to play against. Primary gun characters that can also shit out massive spirit damage is so much fun,
>>567203639wraith is fine. vyper is like apollo fucking just flying everywhere impossible to hit. cancer heros
Why are deadlock characters called "heroes"?
Add a Jewish hero already
>>567203751>wraith is fine.Her massive range teleport isn't
>>567203849You're right, we should call them "chocolates" moving forward.
I am an anti-social autistic nigger, what game shall I playSingeplayer? No1v1 Multiplayer? NoCoop game? NoHighly competitive team based 6v6? YES. YES THIS IS FOR ME!!!No arrow because I say this
>>567203849i'd imagine it's used in more of a superhuman light, rather than being virtuous
>>567202127yeah like speaking personally if I notice someones got indom I'm running at them and popping silence wave or something before a fight kicks off so they won't have it in the fight. and I will get my utility back before they do.
>Deadlock>Highly competitive Yeah in like 10% of games. The other 90% are decided by which side gets the Russian Abrams that runs it down all game
>>567204423That makes sense actually
>>567203849because thats the default title for chracters in mobas
>>567204321I'm not anti social nor a nigger but I am probably autistic because I put thousands of hours into games I like. I do find most of the community to be anti social though. Like I genuinely don't know how to make friends on this game. >Do really well in lane>Do really well in mid game>Great communication, good atmosphere>Win the game>Add them up to see if they'd like to play some more>Invite rejected
>your silver sire i know its your rank up game but please enjoy
>>567205080did you enjoy the free win thanks to S+++lver?
>>567205080>>567205152what the fuck is wrong with silver players how do you get 7.3k damage and no he didnt dc he was present for the entire match
>>567205346the hero is S+++ and a free win and plays itself you know
>no hero MMRthis company is a joke
>>567202972Have you ever played the original Doom? The industry found out pretty early on that swarms of flying skulls with unnecessarily bloated HP are not much fun.
>>567202972>>567203471https://files.catbox.moe/wzvhlf.mp4Here's an example of graves doing 5 trillion damage, yoshi should nerf her again she's clearly still overpowered.
>>567205834thats mo just being stupid as usual
>>567205080>>567205346Secondarybait character, Silver players are the lowest skill and develop delusions of her being weak because they can't perform with the most pushed kit in the game. Anyone who calls themselves a "silver main" is almost certain to be dogshit, whereas a competent player who happens to play Silver will demolish every lobby.
>>567205976Extreme cope from upplayers that don't actually play the game
>>567203751>wraith is fine.Stop ban evading metro you fucking homosexual>best teleport get out of jail for free card in the game>infinite ammo>an overtuned charge ability that does everything from healing to damage to armour shread to slowing while also have a 1 second charge cooldown allowing her to spam throw 6 cards at once at point plank range>one of the hardest CC ults so your victim can't run while you shot him with your infinite ammo gunYeah truly a fine and balanced hero
>>567205834Was hoping for a source filmmaker video of her sucking her opponent to be honest
What is it about this character that attracts the worst trannies known to man?>Puppygirl Lilith she/her #transrights>0/12
>>567206279The hero is really bad but the trannies pretend it's S+++ tier for some reason.
>>567206147Extreme cope from downplayers desperate to explain away their constant failure with a character who has been pick/ban for the best players since her release.>>567206279>furry>TRANSformation>"hot mess""wow she's literally me!!!! OwO"
>>567206279>Tomboy wolfgirl that TRANSforms into her true self>Alcoholic>Dysfunctional
>silver upplaying discordtroons invading againIt's so tiresome
>>567205834it's the video where Mo takes his entire healthbar in exchange for a sinners isn't it
>tankbuster is bad
>>567205708there is hero mmr though
>>567206630>>567206442Shalom, Rabbi Silverberg.
>>567205834>>567206685it isimagine almost dying over 400 souls and calling it a win
>>567205834>misses the scorn>tanks the sinner damage including some extra from the light melee and the rem pillow >graves still can't secure the kill even after fully applying her passive Mentally dominated, at that point you should just DC and pick a real hero lmao
>>567206962No and skill players are just living in the moment, never afraid of consequences. Didn't even know graves was there.
>>567206838Get new material, tranny. No one is buying your upplaying, everyone knows Silver is mediocre at best.
I want to play non-supports but it's scary because I do shit and people yell at me help how do I deal with this
>gun doorman is op you just need to hit your shots broyawn
>>567207046True!
>>567206962He would've died if it wasn't the weakest two heroes in the game pathetically trying to gank him, he knew that too.
>>567207108Turn off voice and chat comms, it's not like any of it is useful information anyway
You should be able to set a slight preference for gun or spirit items when you load into a streetbrawl match
>>567207531
>>567207531It's already there in the background, brool isn't fully random https://statlocker.gg/items/brawl
>>567207849Well yeah, the problem is when I'm playing bebop and want to try gun and the game gives me 2 gun items the entire match (high velocity and escalating resilience)
what was the point of nerfing lifesteal again? the t2 items were already not great but now you are throwing if you buy them
>>567207193>>567205834At that point you should just uninstall the game
How the hell do you measure skill in this game? It can't be by how many games you've won, because the matchmaking is so fucked that even if you perform well, you're never guaranteed a win because you could be teamed up with feeders and up against smurfs. What's the standard?
>Two games back to back of the enemy having DynamoHow has this nigga not been hotfixed alreadyAlso billy bros do you have any tips for dealing with faster heroes? I always feel like a fat fucking chud who can never chase people
>>567208553Phantom strike
>>567206279It's funny you say that. I just had this game.
>>567208787did you enjoy being carried by silver the strongest S+++ hero in the game?
>>567208882yeah nigga I think I messed up my drawers n shiet
>>567208787I hope you gave a big fat updoot to Silver, she carried your ass
>>567157242yuo cant keep posting this. venator is just a MAN with limited sexiness whereas silver or paigr or mina or silver are GIRLS with unlimited sexiness
>>567209085YES SIR!
>>567209192Venator is unlimited sexiness
I've had a big loss streak and went down from ascendant 4 to 2Whenever I'm having a good game and winning lane, one of the lanes feeds over and over constantly dying and I feel like there's nothing I can do, should I try ganking more? not sure what I can do
>>567199208It has to wind up for 3 seconds anyway
>>567209293wrong + your gay
>>567209192Don't care
>my cat meows at me>go to hold down C to cancel the game>queue pops in the middle of the progression bar for cancellingplease forgive me catto...>>567209306if it's any consolation they were probably too retarded to freeze waves in the first place meaning you probably were never gonna get a successful gank in anyway. if they were smart enough to freeze and communicate they wouldn't have fed to begin with.
Trying to learn heroes feels like a humiliation ritual. When are we getting Unranked back?
>>567209659you get lower ranked games on new heroes dude
>>567206716Yeah good one
what the fuck do i build as ivy i can't win shit unless i rolfstomp the lane and go 10/0
>1v1 a seven as holliday>stomp him>1v1 him again 2 mins later>he stomps megod i fucking love how strong items are in this shit "skill" game
They need to nerf ult cooldowns across the board, at least if they're gonna keep the bullshit ults with no easy counterplay
>just eternal darkness every 40 seconds pissing everyone offwas funny also another shit silver guess its shit silver saturday
>>567210272i would honestly prefer they just nerf ults themselves, nerfing cooldowns would just lead to people waiting longer to initiate so they can still spam 10+ ults every team fightalso maybe make it so your ult cooldown doesnt tick down while you're dead
>>567210167Some items are worth way more on other heroes because of unbalanced scaling. The same 10% damage on a silver vs a pocket for instance will be worth over 20% for the pocket, literally making him technically have double souls over a silver.
>>567210485>also maybe make it so your ult cooldown doesnt tick down while you're deadwow so the feeder i have on my team will be even less useful got it
>>567210485>i would honestly prefer they just nerf ults themselves, nerfing cooldowns would just lead to people waiting longer to initiate so they can still spam 10+ ults every team fightEither way i don't want broken shit spammed every fight.>also maybe make it so your ult cooldown doesnt tick down while you're deadThat sounds horrible desu
I play Deadlock like this
what are some interesting things i can do besides die when the enemy silver turns into a wolf and walks at me holding mouse1
>>567210485>nerfing cooldowns would just lead to people waiting longer to initiate so they can still spam 10+ ults every team fightWhich provides more opportunities for picks and ganks because there's a little more downtime and less brooling. Also a significant downside to using ults in those skirmishes.
>>567210141>we have silver at home
>>567211171bro your disarming sex?
>Ready to be a menace to society, baby!
I will never leave seeker/alchemist rankI am bad at every character I playShit at aimingShit at movementEven if I win, it's because someone carried me, not because I did goodI want to kill myself
>>567211498just play graves and become a macro god
IN HEREIAM KING!
>>567211171hide on a rope or use almost literally any active in the optional section of your left to right build
>>567211498I started in initiate, I'm now in phantom, I would do everything to go back to the initiate-alchemist range, phantom is miserable (how do you like getting an Eternus streamer and his Discord buddies being on the enemy team while you're just a bunch of solos?)
What's even the intended gameplay to deal with Kelvin? Moving out of the way isn't it because all his shit slows, he combat regens like crazy because his grenade is a heal AND damage AND a slow, his ult is a health reset and an isolation mechanic, and he can just bounce from bad fights by using his frozone shit
>>567211890knockdown deletes 2 of his abilities
>Help me deliiiver this thing
>>567211945Not the good two tho
I fucking love Cursed Artifact so much>Lash tries to ult, drop him out of the sky>Bebop fires his laser, cut the power>Mina unleashes her bats, clip her wings>Dynamo singularity, turn him off
>>567211890Shoot him until he dies
>>567212284b-but my -10% damage...
>>567211171If you're a damage rapist(wraith, seven haze etc) and you guys have equal souls fight it outotherwise If you have 3200 souls buy a disarming hex to stop her for 4 seconds before she resumes raping you, in these 4 seconds try to run or fight depending the situation
hell yeah
>>567212768pisslo
>>567212768solo or party? also how many games played?
>>567212910I have unironically been called this by an e4 player before>>567212963solo support 2k games. it's rough.
>>567212435Thankfully that doesn't mean much when I'm playing Rem.Here's a pillow.
>>567213018Thanks Rem
>>567213009>solo supportyou are insane, fuck that shit
>>567211339i forgot to mention i only play street brawl so i get no disarm actives in 50% of games
>>567213126I have my cat to support me after games so it's okay.
>>567213215Calicoposter is playing her as support? No wonder you were having trouble
>>567203515>the character that has historically been built as a gun character>the character with 2 gun amps built into his kit>they were surprised by him being a gun carry
I don't think focus lens is making it to the final product
>hmm today I will play Paige, that sounds fun>literally zero agency>no one on the team to play around>watch teammates get raped all game before dying myself with all cds/actives on cooldownIs Paige support even playable in coloured ranks or do I need to do gun memes if I'm soloQ? Every loss it keeps getting worse, my paige mmr is so far below my normal mmr I have no idea what the fuck I can even do since teammates are clearly very new/hardstucks.
>>567213352Nah I mean my actual cat
>>567213454dota has had orchid for over a decade now broit's now going anywhere
>>567214152orchid is actually useful
I mean, they could just buff towers to deal any amount of damage. It's just a shame they're so damn afraid of dotards whining and crying about it.
Towers actually deal too much damage.
>VICTOR IS ON ME HELP HELPi have no idea who "me" is
>>567213454>>567214152>>567214231>they don't know about the focus lens haze combo
>>567214546>one character means it's a good item
>>567213454the frog will probably release nullifier soon as well making it very good
>>567213506Your first priority whenever you play support anything is to identify who can carry the game and go enable them as best you can. Rusted Barrel + High Velocity Rounds is a fast track to just auto win a lane. You shield yourself and play for aggressive trades while they're barreled. You need a hex in this meta so learn to land roots without knockdown. You need divine barrier, hex, curse, rescue beam. You can just hard save someones ass with this DB RB and just make their duels braindead easy with hex curse. They won't be able to run away and they'll be cursed so they don't get to play the game either. And then they'll die. Hold your ult for countering big ults (think seven, lash, dynamo), get good at arcing the ult into fliers. You can practise and get a feel in the sandbox. Try stay mostly hidden so you're not an obvious target. At minimum buy an extra stamina so you can juke. Stamina Mastery is basically core on her but it can wait until you get all 4 actives up.Paige offers a lot to a team in the way of bumping team HP, mass stuns, gun buffs, CC. If your team truly sucks oh well. But just remember you could've been playing any other support and probably dealt with the same woes. Unfortunately games just suck sometimes.
is it normal for mina to do 924 damage in lane
>>567214456The actual problem is that a casual monster rounds lets you not give a singular fuck about NPC damage. Towers should be responsive and hit hard enough that it makes sense to need barriers/sustain to dive. Being able to just dive in and just parry stun it is so dumb desu. It really just dumbs down the game.
>>567214807that's like 3 procs of love bite lol
>>567214807>3 lane terrorists and paradox
>>567214642it also makes dynamo ult a 100% kill guarantee but that one hasn't caught on yet
>>567214924eternus 3 lobby average btw
>>567214807Yes, but only on my team.
>>567215040Literal bot
>>567214807That matchup is aids for Mina.
>>567215224mina literally is one of the strongest laners in the game
>Yamato Smurf duoing at the same timeGames like this have finally made me realize that rank means jack shit.How much of a sad cunt do you have to be to do this shit in a closed alpha get a hobby man
>>567214515>BRO HES ONE BRO HES ONE
For all the worst metas this game had I think it's Shiv 1st then every single time victor is meta it's 2nd for sure and then haze ultbot. What is this though? 3 times in a row that yoshit nerfs victor and not even a month later instantly makes him braindead hold w broken again? You have to kill this braindead nigger holding w at you 3 THREE fucking times if they get rejuv.
>>567215350If she can actually build her items and isn't perma poaked low against a character that can point and click execute yeah she's strong. Should've roamed but she made the mistake of staying in this lost lane.
>>567215503>Crying about Victor and not DynamoNot saying he isn't aids but every game right now feels like its decided by who has dynamo on their team.
>waaa I don't want to take shrines because we only have 1 lane pushed upI fucking hate this mindset. Can these people get the fuck out of my lobbies?
>Nooo dude the matchmaking is fine they fixed it and stuff bro just keep grinding and you'll go up in rank!
>>567215350>>567215224>VyperIf the whore isn't braindead it's an autowin for vyper, every single attempt at trading from mina allows vyper to simply hold m1 on her and easily chunk 200-300 health... And then comes lethal venom damage.
>>567215789um ur playing the S+++ tier hero how are you not solo winning?
>>567213376>bomb, hook so you can bomb, punch so you can send them back to their team with the bomb>and THE highest spirit DPS ult in the gameThe only reason they have damage amp on him, lash and others is because in the early days of deadlock they wanted heroes to have multiple playstyle with every hero having shit like that, like the old dynamo teleport which reloaded ammo and gave everyone fire rate and gun damage
>>567215789>0 obj damagethink you're the problem here
>>567215638True, but it's both. If there is no dynamo it's decided by which team has victor and if he's doing gun or not ofc. I'm just tired of complaining about dynamo, it's clear it's a pet char of one of the troondevs.
>>567215789It's literally this simple.>Does game think you're good at X with up arrow?>play that hero>Does game think you're bad at X with down arrow?>don't play that heroAnd if you already did this and it's still unplayable find a duo or stop bitching. This is asuming you are even good at the game, and judging by the fact you are unironicly intiate I guarantee you are not.
having victor on your team doesn't even feel good now>its a wallbreaker meaning the rest of your team needs to splitpush, but in low elo no one does that so he just dies over and over again without getting any objectives>its a spirit meaning you just lose because most L>R builds have at least 1 antiheal component anywaysi dont know how he has the 3rd highest win rate
>>567215789>initiate>warden and mina's nameskinojust missing "thinkpad nipple gaming/aimer"
>>567215789>those stats on SSSilverlmao>>567215875Because shitver mains are mentally retarded and the worst players in the game
I really hate this game sometimes.Like this is the only, and I mean the ONLY game I've played, out of the literal thousands of games I've played in my life-time, that discourages you from having any free-time, or break time from playing it.Go afk during a match because you're on the phone, or you have to help someone for a second? "Get kicked, and then banned, because fuck you."It's so retarded to have my whole day revolve around long hour matches, be off for only 2 minutes, and then get banned because even though I'M ALCHEMIST, the game thinks I'm trolling or some shit.It seriously pisses me off even more that this can be circumvented by using an autoclicker, so the system that's designed to "catch" afkers that ruin lobbies? Doesn't even fucking work.Welcome to: "It's either extremely shit or extremely good: the game"
>>567215040>>567215206
>>567215856the mina should be able to win trades if she can hit a lovebite + rake when the vyper slides close to herbut yeah in low elo i doubt a mina is landing any shots on a sliding vyper
>>567215015>combining an item that silences with an ult that stuns for the same amount of time
some days you just get one of those teams, you know?
>>567215224>>567215350>>567215856you're supposed to play like a TOTAL bitch against vyper for like 4 minutes because rake lovebites is non negotiable and you can only dodge lethal venom with bats...
>>567216263never happened to me and I straight up go afk to spite my teammates for fun sometimesskill issue I guess
>>567214895I suggested instead of needing to parry tower, you have to heavy melee it, which opens up possibility for counter play. Hell, even as they are now, you could parry and enemy and the tower still won't do jack shit to harm them. There's zero risk to any tower dives
I really need to stop playing this game on the weekend.
>>567216008>>567216046>>567216261Yeah keep gaslighting me you NIGGER TRANNIES for not trying in a game or being low rank when my teammate in lane is 0/17. I'm definitely the problem though and not the fact that 3 "people" on that team are subhumans who will do zero communication and just run down lane and spam feeding the enemy on cooldownAnyways I know you retards are never sincere the game is just broken and not worth playing right now, especially for a new player, hopefully patch soon and not in like 6 months of dead silence
>>567216008People say this like you're supposed to take a scoreline like 5-30 and run it the fuck down into guardians or walkers that are permanently being defended by fed carries. Like is this ironic shitposting or?
>>567216591strickly soloQ SOOON TM>>567216620I've won games going 0/17I've won games with people going 0/17Unironicly GitGud
>>567216087Gun build, that's how his winrate is retarded.>>567216325It's a much more skill and focus intensive trade for mina than for vyper, and as mina retreats vyper will just keep shooting with her 1.6 reload time while mina has to hide and wait for cooldowns.
>>567216087wallbreaker (gun) victor is a fucking monster in low elo what are you talking about. you can solo their shrines before 20 mins unless the entire enemy team hard focuses on you which doesn't happen in low elo unless it's a 6stack/smurfs somehow managing to lead the droolers to gang up on you
>>567216620people can carry with 0/17 on their teamyou are literally playing the best character in the game and still complain
>>567216620lol chimp out typical silver player
>>567216008you worship obj damage like it's your godobviously not everyone's going to go 32k obj damage every fucking game, especially if someone's playing support
>>567216620Uh oh, Rabbi Silverberg is going full Samson Option!
Shrines are more important than the walkers change my mind, protip you can't.Walkers are also more aids to fight over 6v6 and more likely to wipe your team.
>>567216840who said 32k obj damage you telling me he didnt shoot the guardian not a single time not even one tick of damage? sounds like a him problem then sounds like all he did was brool with his dumb team instead of playing for objectives
>>567217008>who said 32k obj damage you telling me he didnt shoot the guardian not a single time not even one tick of damage?In a hard losing game? Yes, that's normal. Guarantee he is a gorilla nigger but his OBJ damage isn't the problem.
>>567216620Btw I'm on EU and I don't think amerifats understand the level of non-existent communication in EU games, if you think being active with callouts will help think again, most people don't even type anything or speak decent english for the whole game and on top of that russians are a whole tier of ESL of their own on that>>567216714>>567216808>>567216912Hope Yoshi sees this xistersI don't play or want to carry btw and I started playing 2 weeks ago. Actually I'd rather my team deservedly lose for that performance even if I could carry them to victory. I report anyone that goes 0/10 or more deaths at the end of my games. Get these niggers out of my planet.
People talk about removing parries but they really should remove fucking soul urnsUseless mechanic that is always used by enemy team and never by my teammatesAnytime I actually try to deliver/contest it, entire enemy team rapes me while my team farms jungle
>>567216840Objective damage wins the game. Objective damage is more important.
>>567217138>pic reldo women really make faces like that during sex? i'm a 34 year old incel so i wouldn't know
>>567217190only with black guys
>>567217127>I don't play or want to carry btw and I started playing 2 weeks ago. Actually I'd rather my team deservedly lose for that performance even if I could carry them to victoryPure unalderated cope, if you didn't care you wouldn't have posted the image bitching in the thread in the first place.>>567217190No unless you ask her too.
>>567217190it's a sleep fetish SFM pic
>>567217121>in a hard losing gameso why does the "le beboppppp" that he's whining about have the most obj damage? probably because he was getting killed trying to push objectives instead of him who was I guarantee you trying to BROOL with his team and then running away when they get killed
>>567217002I've seen more and more people just dive shrines and completely ignore base guardians
>>567217190only with blue guys
>>567217127>Btw I'm on EUshould have said so immediately, europoors are notorious for being shitters in this gameEven their "pro" teams are full of russians that are miles better than any europoor
yeah let me just push lane up to walker real qui->3 people show up out of nowhere to rape me (no one was around to ping them beforehand)>getting slowing hex'd, point blank'd, warden 3'd>>BRO YOU'RE FEEDING STOP FEEDING BRO>this repeatedly happens and I go 0/8 without any obj damageI tried to get le obj damage, what dafuq happened?!!!???!?!?!!
>>567217008>>567217121I INTENTIONALLY didn't do shit in that game in case I had to reiterate. As in I purposefully did the bare minimum to not get flagged as a dc'er or leaver by sitting in fountain. Why bother? If you get a 0/10 feeder at 10 mins in at my rank the game is over. 90% of games like that you can predict who will win or lose by then. The rest of the match is a waste of time for the losing side after that.If you played MOBAs before you know that is the case for most of the genre, actually Deadlock could use a good surrender button, and I say this as a LoL hater.>>567217307Glazers are the only ones coping here. I never said I was good. I am bad as indicated by my rank. 2 weeks into this game, how could I be "good"? You are coping if you think this game is playable. Simple as. This is not debatable
>>567217554you never push walkers if you don't know where 2+ enemies are on the map
>>567217138Parries are fine as a mechanic, but they need to fix the netcode around them. Also melee needs huge buffs, right now all melee items are throw items
Sad lonely silver intiate(You)
>dynamo is on enemy team>losethank you nigger yoshi uninstalling this trash till he gets gutted
>>567217571and there it is LMAO every SINGLE time>I HATE my teammates yes I THREW the game and didnt try but ummm its THEIR FAULTlmao everytime with you people
>>567217554>>567217643just play victor and you can solo a walker that's being defended by all 6 enemies
At this point I don't even care if they nerf Victor back to being an useless bastard I hate this gunslop so much it goes completely against the core identity of the character
>>567200878Most people are on their phone watching youtube shorts or lighting up a bowl as the game ends. Dont take it personally chud
remove guns from the game
>>567217960unironically gun meta in general goes against the core identity of deadlock
Silver players not beating the allegations
>>567217960he's also the first character that doesn't have to shoot or damage enemies to win. i didn't think the game could go lower than autoaim graves but i'm always suprised at valve's ingenuity
>>567217190only with dogs
>>567217554>>567217813>>567217837You are right. And matchmaking is broken on top of thatYet "Just world fallacy" Valve fanboys are here ITT telling me it's my fault for the 3 feeders on my team. Honestly, this is why being a "gamer" will always be loser behavior. Intensely unserious individuals. Guarantee if your criticism goes anywhere beyond saying 1 character is OP the default response will be "get good", or if you will, "just world fallacy" for videogames.
>all melee items are undeniably throw items and a waste of souls except if you're calico or billy>utility items are a waste of souls because the only way to survive long enough to make space is with resists>oh, what's that? crippling headshot paired with APR paired with toxic bullets paired with EE paired with siphon bullets?>sorry your resists are totally fucking meaningless lolalso>rework matchmaking scoring system somewhat>now everybody is forced to play a carry instead of a support, since matchmaking now determines your mmr on solo performance>now everybody buys gun>now gun is so good that spirit characters are forced to buy gun tooFucking. GRIM. How are the redditroons and forumfags still playing this game without having a total sperg-out about it? Why is it just us having to point out all this faggoty-ass bullshit?
>>567218146Genuinely does anyone even have fun with m1ggery bullshit besides fpsfags
>silver player>pisslo>euromutt>whiny bitchliteral subhuman, hope Russia nukes them all
>>567217138the only time you would ever make that face is at the dentist if a fly lands on your forehead
>>567218663what about this face?
>>567218257>make damage resist items for your game>make anti-resists that effectively destroy pre-existing resist items>no anti-anti-resist or ways to reduce the anti-resist debuffsreally makes ya think
we're complaining about armour piercing rounds now...
>>567216415Unhide your rank you pussy
I'm eternus btw
>>567219173Sorry to hear that
>>567219084>we're complaining about M1GGER item?yes
>>567218949I'm sorry but anti-anti resist would make shit way too complicatedyou'll just have to accept when you've been outbought, and go for shit that hurts their fire-rate or damage
>>567219181what's your total level on runescape?
>WE NEED ANTI-ANTI RESIST ITEM!!!!!11!>Inhibitor, juggernaut, supressor, rusted barrel, disarming hex, cursed relic???
Okay but seriously how are people dying 10+ times a game? Just had a Paradox who went 3-13 and a Seven who was 7-15 in the same game. It's genuinely baffling to me (Oracle V btw)
>>567220031retard
>>567219113how
>>567220245>t. averages 0 obj damage
>>567220245new players who just push out a lane and have 0 gamesense
>get subhuman rusnig on team>loseWhy are these "people" allowed to play with humans?
>>567220245JUST TRUST THE MATCHMAKING YOU FUCKING CHUD. YOU COULD HAVE DONE MORE ANYWAY. GET GOOD!
>>567220421>>567220578I too can throw insults around that mean nothing
>>567219113Half the people in that match are alch/arc
>>567220670retarded faggot
>>567220245>>567220421>>567220578>>567220670>>567220726retards
aw fuck the discord cabal is raiding again to shit up the thread
>>567219894my iron rn
>>567217369It makes so much of an impact and it sets me off when shitters don't understand that and want to kill every walker and every base guardian before daring to touch a shrine.You can just int them at 17 minutes even if the enemy team isn't paying attention.
>>567220913retard
>>567221304why the base has 0 defense vexes me
>>567217369>dive shrine>do damage>shrine is protected so 80% of the damage gets absorbed>entire enemy team is picrel now surrounding me
>Enemy doorman playing capture build>Being a nigger>Catches someone and commends them>They end up losingCongratz on being a useless nigger.I seriously do not understand why people play that , it doesn't win games.
>>567221304>>567221478whats funny is that chazm discovered this months ago and is only being brought up now lmao
>>567221562the joe chuck effect
>>567221562>it doesnt win gameswho cares its fun
>>567221562>bmnigger gets what they deservelove to see it
>>567220637>the matchmakinglately its felt like I'm getting some real sacks of shit and i'm playing against the same guys who would be on both the enemy team and my team if it was last weeki'm talking people who clearly don't belong anywhere near me and end up somehow going nearly 20 deaths like jobbers while i'm sitting at a average or positive scoreline because its where I actually belong
>>567221698some tiktok fatty with a nigger wife?
Reloading should be like twice, maybe three times as slow as it currently is. This would have several important effects for game balance:>makes melee much more important which makes parrying more important>enables the devs to give gun builds actually good scaling, bullet damage per boon can go way up, weapon damage on orange items can go way up>turns guns from DPS to burst damage but in a way that has distinct advantages and tradeoffs from ability spamming (much better engagement range, reliant on aim and cover)>gives graves a unique identity again by giving her a very high dps short range brawler style that actually is fun and engaging
Was trying out billy. Is it normal for the entire enemy team to focus on you in a team fight?
how do you play celeste? i need new characters to play with that are carries/sidelaners but i hate m1
>>567222935frontliners get bullied my man
>>567222957Celeste is an m1gger you just also mash 3 a lot
>>567222957take jungle farm to starve your carry and never run urn. once you get 1k unsecured souls push the mid walker solo
>>567223024aieeeeeee is everything a fucking m1???
>>567222935take off frontliners if you want to rank up, no one fucking walks in this game no matter how much you communicate
Another game another Victor player declaring their trans identity immediately as the game starts.
>>567223024celeste has a shit gun, wot?
is this a normal amount of damage for haze to do in lane
Fuck metaslave niggers for flaming me on rushing magic carpet after laning is done. If I have to help fight flying faggots or go help a team fight after pushing a wave and you fuckers are ontop of builds, im buying magic carpet.
>>567223204or you could just learn movement and rotate to anywhere on the map within 10 seconds
>>567223284no
>>567223284not even eternus players can rotate that fast, no?
>>567223170Seeker III has spoken
>>567220245In oracle? Probably just being mad. Anyone at that elo can calm down and realize when they're broke as fuck and shouldn't take fights, but they have a huge ego and feel like them being 0-6 isn't their fault so they keep taking fights and dying. The fastest way to guarantee someone around that elo will start inting is to just criticize how they're playing, that's like a 84% chance of them running it down and having double digit deaths by the 2nd midboss fight.
>>567223174>sub 20k damage haze in a 36 minute gameGrim
>>567220987very nice
>>567223778I remember when this nigger kelvin started criticizing me for feeding, even though our whole team was getting rapedguess what his kda and obj damage was in the end?his was 0/8, 0 obj damagemine was, 12/5, 12k obj damageI remember that it was early lane phase that he started doing that shit. Made me mute him instantly so he wouldn't throw off my mental in the long term
>>567222935Frontliners suck donkey dick right now unless you're shiv, and yeah its very common. My suggestion is to build colossusBilly is in a very weak state right now since you just explode without your ult up
>>567223420lol you're just a noob
>>567224172>viscous with SM and the lash itemOk now do that with vindicta and graves
How would you fix Rem?
>>567224172lmao wtf a viscous gonna do anywhere
>>567224601make him cuter :)
On every rem player's life, the matchmaking patch will come before the end of the day
>>567224513>Majestic Leap>"The Lash Item"Holy shitter
>>567224995It's not meta, but it's fun.
Retard... RETARD... RETARAARD... RETAAARD..... REEETAAARD.... RETAAAAAAAAAARD
>>567225135It's incredible how easily some people are angered.
delete indomitable from the fucking game
>>567222957>how do you play celeste?You don't have to build her M1, it's good but not necessary. The alternative is being an ultbot. Her shield is OP, get in their faces and silence them, spam ults on cooldown in teamfights
>obvious premade smurf comp with pocket, lash and dynamo after I win 5 games for a single rank up>lose and rank downmy team and I didnt even do bad either but ofcourse -rank
>>567222957how to play celeste:>hop around like retard with shield on>dump big circles on other retards for amp>cone them>shoot them while doing all of this>also your ult bounceswhich means>EE - repeated hits>spellslinger - wowee we casting so gun fire good so fast reload yeah
>>567215939yes i know nothing i said is wrong though. they also buffed his gun before people started getting gun on him
>>567224601whats there to fix?he is perfect as is!
>>567218253>Just world fallacyThis thread is just full of people who always assume you're the shitter. It doesn't even matter if you show them a screenshot like this. I'm matching the damage on a support build of my carry heroes late game. My haze barely did 10k more damage than a support in 50 minutes. Like they're just terrible sometimes.
>>567224601rem's shota cloaca...
>>567218257>>all melee items are undeniably throw items and a waste of souls except if you're calico or billyIt's because they raped the cooldown on them and made them less fun. Melee Charge was fun when it doubled your reserve ammo on a cooldown.
Is mina just one of those characters thats always strong on the enemy team but never on yours?
>>567224172niggas post shit like this and say movements fine
>>567219173account buyer bracket btw. even yoshi knows it.
>>567224172Eskay
>>567220625idk, I'd easily play like 8 games a day if I knew I didn't have to deal with russians.
who /onlybrawls/ here
just had a 3-12 haze brag that they are eternus on their main and this is their 9th account after flaming us for not carrying them, this is in mid green rank btw
>>567226690I've been playing less and less but when I do play. I rush Trophy Collector and roam. I don't give a fuck about my lane partner I play to brawl and make my teammates angry.
>mirage builds this>does nothing>ask why he isn't building ricochet inhibitor into a team full of m1s that want to get close (vyper, wraith, venator)>tells me "I don't have to win every game to count towards my 70% winrate">look him up>he's some low ascendant who plays in phantom games 90% of the time>for some reason he's in an eternus lobby trying to ego eternus players being exasperated that we don't know him acting like he's famous or some shitit's insane to me that someone will see success at the most dog shit brackets and proceed to think they're like pro grade. win rates can be so deceiving. 55% winrate at eternus > 70% winrate at phantomincredible yoshi ty
>>567221568I realised almost as soon as I started playing that shrines were important and should be rushed more, but no one in matches would listen to me.
>>567221568haven't seen chazm since 2024. I miss the old times when the community was smaller.>>567224172>using the most egregious example imaginableyeah let me just be viscous.
>>567224172>the amount of retards who took this seriouslywell played
>>567223420no stam no item time from side to mid is 7 seconds with no real movement techs even
solo queue frontline is pain
>>567227003speaking of mirage, how are you supposed to build him?do you focus on stacking as much djinn marks as possible ordo you spam 3 alongside mercurial magnum and surge of power?
>Paige starts flaming our sidelaner minute 15 for not having a lot of player damage (Presumebly using one of those cheat mods)This is why a lot of stats are hidden till the end game screen holy shit it creates retardation
>>567223165
>>567227249solo queue support is the same thing. if you don't have an active team that wants to pick people you just feel helpless for 20 minutes.
Is stamina mastery a must on billy? Feel like I run out of stamina and can't near all these troon hoppers flying about in the sky.
>playing rem with relic, lens and knockdown with duration extender>teammates still cant kill the fucker when I can lock them down for nearly 10 seconds
>>567223165I will now start doing this.
Selam alaykum, who is the most halal hero i can main?
>>567227281yep I've had a retarded russian try flame me on a support build before. like bro I have hex knockdown nova trophy collector what the fuck damage do you think I should be doing. I'm literally interrupting ults stunning and hexing people for us to pick and healing us through AOE slop why do they imagine I should also be doing all the damage in the world?
>>567227623stamina mastery is a must on all characters
It's literally impossible to beat a dynamo+lash team if they aren't actual drooling retards.
>>567227623Stamina mastery should be removed from the game.
>nerf movement>nerf parry>make map 2x biggerI just saved deadlock
>>567227251You can build him for fun (spirit) or boring m1.
>5 wins 11 loses in last 16 matches
another one for my collection
>>567227341why ypipo be like this
>>567227891>>nerf movementremove stamina mastery and debuff reducer from the game and replace it with a 1600 stamina proc item that gives 10% bullet 10% spirit and 20% debuff resistance for 7 seconds.
>>567228001Ugly
>>567227935>You can build him for fun (spirit) or boring m1.which is which
Think they just need to remove everything.
https://www.twitch.tv/deathslameventsLeviathan vs Lowkey W (silver is banned)
>>567227281it's always paige too. and sometimes the paige is permanently jungling/sidelaning then bitching about x player having less souls
What is the support role in this game?
>cornerboosting walljumping paige in alchemist gamesI have no idea how this works but I know of it and I think if the game detects you doing this you should be sent to oracle minimum
>>567228640normally id be happy and basedjacking that theres a victor now i just feel empty inside
>>567228695should have taken the farm dipshitinstead of chasing bebop around the jungle for 5 minutes achieving nothing
>>567228819Its fucking cringe I agreeI want my pure spirit carry backHe was fair, honest and a minion until 40k soulsNow you just have gun victor stat checking people and solo taking walkers
>>567228819victor has made it back into comp
>>567228819>>567229071trans hands wrote these posts
>>567229214another one mindbroke by spirit victor
>>567229071Just... Play spirit Victor?
>i love victor! i wish he was good!>victor is good but you have to aim your gun instead of turn on your 3 and hold W at people>NOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>567229071My guy is acting like farmslop spirit Victor still isn't a thing
>>567210058health nova -> rescue beam -> vortex web -> echo shard
>Climb up from initiate to emissary over 400 hours>These FAGGOT ASS rank changes have made me drop down to arcanist, and am slowly approaching alchemistFUCK THIS ASSFAGGOTS GAMEYEAH I LOVE MY WINS MATTERING NOTHING AND MY LOSSES RANKING ME DOWN
>>567229354>>567229402it isnt because its easy to counter and compared to gunslop theres 0 value, especially because games nowadays have a lot of fights and being 5v6 is more of a disadvantage than before
>>567229071>Victor>HonestThis emo fag should be removed from the game outright
Alchemist retard hereI get that aura victor self sustain has been butchered... so why not just go damagemaxxing aura and let Jumpstart and revive, sometimes double revive sustain you?I like, I get it, you can't really keep up with aura heal anymore... so why not just kill them with your aura of suffering instead?This is the build I come up with and has been working for me at lower levels, nothing about gunslop
>>567229681I'm not going to play until they fix this
>>567228324>>You can build him for fun (spirit) or boring m1.>which is whichscarabs are spirit and fun, marks are boring and m1
>get placed into a team with a 5 stack against a 6 stack>game is instantly losthow the FUCK is this nigger shit allowed if you stack kill yourself
>>567229930Gun is just better since it both scales better and takes less souls to come online.Spirit Victor has been a joke awhile since they gutted his spirit scaling on his 3 (Remember when it used to be 1.1? those were the days).
>>5672300435 stacks should fucking kill themselves. how hard is it to find a 6th player?
>>567228640>(silver is banned)And why would I watch this?
>>567230137Ah.Yeah I kinda get it, tho I still prefer Spirit Victor because getting Aura to level 2 + Mystic Slow shuts down so many agile players.And honestly I find gunslop to be lame regardless. I will enjoy myself then until I reach higher ranks.
>>567230010>scarabs are spirit and fun,scarabs kind of suck though, dont they?you can only apply one scarab per person and it doesnt do that much damage
>>567229359according to statlocker I'm top 5% accuracy and top 1% accuracy on victor compared to even eternus playersMy aim isn't even that good
Vyper on enemy team:>Adderall addicted spastic that constantly slides and rapes you instantly, it doesn't matter how many disarmings/slowings/metal skins you have if they all last a few seconds and she's 20/4 and your other teammates have straw for brainsYour team's Vyper:>Doesn't even slide, with how fast Vyper's firerate is this guy will spend more time reloading and meleeing than actually shooting
>>567228794I'm in ritualist and I movementgape every trog in my lobbies. I would kill for the game to just identify me as a sweat and put me in oracle.
>>567230587>35% damage reduction is le bad
>>567229930if you wanted to kill with spirit you'd go echo shard + every other purple imbue on pain battery
>>567230587read escalating exposure
>>567229752>spirit victor is super easy to countergenuinely asking, how? i'm still at the elo where every single victor builds spirit and they rape the lobby
>>567231078It's a victorfag coping don't listen to him.
>>567231078Any m1 with Inhibitor or CripplingM1 heroes in general shred him and I'm telling you right now victor players in your elo aren't building metal skin
>>567230992i dont follow
>>567231078just buy one of curse, focus lens and crippling headshot and shoot him
>>567231190Scarabs tick escalating exposure up to a high number, improving damage of your teammates and your marks.
>>567231190scarabs proc escalating exposure dealing over 1000 damage with one scarab
>>567231164okay that's good to know, thanks>cripplingi don't think i've bought this item a single time, i guess i should start>>567231365curse griefs my damage though... i buy it anyway if the game has devolved to the point where if we don't kill this fucking victor right now it's GGs, but by that time i find it's usually already over. i've tried using Decay but i don't think it worked very well
>>567231078since he can't purge debuffs anymore just having a m1gger applying aids worksi play graves and can rape spirit victor in phantom lobbies buying inhibitor, toxic bullets and positioning better than himmetal skin isn't a very good counter because on-hit effects still apply and the game is rampant with hybrid damageeshift is good and helps him live for a while, but m1 can still rape himsilence is also really good. any sort of cc and he foldsand honestly there's so much aoe in this game with almost every m1 buying rico that focusing him will still damage and apply debuffs to his team mates
>get the annual urge to play haze due to liking the crypto-fascist fed aesthetic>character actually takes zero skill and isn't funAnd I'll fall for it again in another three months
>>567231461>improving damage of your teammates
>>567231365>just spend 19200 souls to counter this one hero for 3.5 seconds brogood advice seekergawd
>>567231572I try Mina once in a while only to get bored of how braindead she is to play
>>567231632eslgod I kneel
>>567231572I don't play Haze but I heard she's only boring if you play her as an ultbot, she's fun if you play her as an assassin roamer. Try switching your playstyle
>>567231618Every good m1gger plays hybrid so they're doing a lot of spirit damage as well which escalating amps.
>escalating exposure + radiant regen mirage scarabs>escalating exposure + radiant regen drifter marksfew know these forbidden techniques...
I've never seen it, but should Mirage players consider Decay? Spirit Mirage already gets EE and they love their faggot scarabs, seems like a natural match.
>even pros have finally realized venator was over valued shitter M1
>>567231932Turns out being pure gun sucks and all the other "m1ggers" are actually hybrids, and that AOEslop > aim
>>567231756im not sure how this is a relevant response to that reply
>my mina going 5-12 while the enemy team builds literally ZERO silences or hexesHOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW
>>567231932>>567232083Have trap do pure damage, make all his pure damage abilities scale off spirit. There he's cancer you're welcome no need to thank me.
>>567232293Even OP characters will have beyond boosted zero skill retards playing them. People somehow manage to feed on Victor for example
>all the old gods heroes got nerfed into being near useless >the previous batch of 6 heroes are stronger than ever What did Valve mean by this
>>567232083bullet resist actually fucks him hard too because he doesnt get access to easy shit like bullet resist shredder. hollow point is mis and weakening headshot with a shit gun spread sucks. his kit makes it seem like he wants to be close but then they gave him a shit health pool especially when glass canon is basically required on the hero
>>567228748giwtwmI bet celeste's throbbing horse cock is so muskyI'd be on my knees and worshipping it so fast
>>567231932How long until they figure out that Silver is overrated?
https://www.twitch.tv/oses7KINO
>>567231479>i don't think i've bought this item a single time, i guess i should startheadshot items sound scary on paper but then you realize they only really ask one headshot every 8 seconds or so at worst
>>567232532when a new non-gimmick tank releases
>>567232532Literally the only reason "pros" glaze Silver is because her bola cucks movement, that's the reason she gets picked every single night shift game
>>567232473>the previous batch of 6 heroes are stronger than everENTER
>>567232532when movement stops being strong and having a tanky diving frontliner that shits out damage isn't useful.
>>567232816Blasted should make him immune to parries>b b but that would be OP!!!No it wouldn't. Just don't stand in melee range, how are you so bad at movement and positioning?
>>567232816>Not even built in unstoppable was enough to make Billy viable because other older heroes got powercrept much harder
M1 mirage is unironically more fun than scarab spam, which is just like shiv knife spam, but worse
>>567232816>>567233089Billy would be good if quick melee parry stun wasn't as punishing.
>>567233068>Character who's entire gimmick is getting infinite ammo through melees can be countered without any items at all>Meanwhile Wraith has infinite ammo as a T3 and the best escape ability in the game
I hate playing as Kelvin.
>>567233068Something like parries blocking damage but instead of stunning, it'd reduce the duration of blasted would be interesting It'd make parries still good against Billies but it wouldn't completely shut down half of his kit
You niggas are retarded. Seeker general.
>>567233068I support this idea if only because it'll slowly soften people up on the idea that parries should just be removed once they realize that the guy whose entire gimmick is spamming light melees can still be balanced without parries.
>>567220245I died 27 times on drifter and won. It aint no thang baby. Got stacked too
RETTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAARD
>>567220245Because keeping up on sovls and being at the right fight at the right time is all that matters.
>>567233068Objectively speaking Billy has the easiest and cheapest counter item in the game that completely shuts him down for 800 soulsNo other hero is gutted like this, its funny as fuck.
Paradox bomb spam is... le bad???
>>567233887Melee is the most honest playstyle. We are the most oppressed playerbase.
>superior duration>refresherHow viable is this on Drifter?
>>567234114its based really
>>567222935yes, going 4/8/10 is a good statline unironicly.
>>567233887Rebuttal is so stacked it's insane. >parries now give +30% damage (on top of the built in 25% from parries) and heal>if you miss a parry you can try again in 2 seconds since it reduces the cooldown for failed parries>even if you take damage it still gives melee resist >all this for 800Imagine if this built into counterspell, 100% pick rate overnight
I don't get how anyone gets kills as Paige, I always end with an obscene amount of assists and like, maybe 2 or 3 kills.
>>567234380You need the spirit nuker build
>>567234302They need to hard rework the item if they ever add more melee heroes since this alone turns them into frauds.You could make a good argument this should be 3200 just for the effects and ITS 8. 0. 0. FUCKING SOULSI don't think you can name a single 800 item that so many overloaded stats and effects on it.
>>567234114add arcane surge to thatme and my mates did this on april fools>drifter 6 stack>arcane surge + duration extender + refresher>LIGHTS OUTalso extender effects mark too. you can get crazy heals from mark + radiant regen
>>567233624>Seeker general.Silver general, you mean.
>>567232524b-based!?
>>567233624We SeekerGAWDS run this shit fr
>dev: oh what's that? Seven is still the strongest hero in the game for 100+ weeks now?>lol
im a seekergawd
>>567234796It's wild how much impact he has in every single game cause only 10% of games ever end before 25 minutes
Had a decent billy game there actually felt like a menace, was hard not to get into a prolonged fight in the middle of the enemies jungle. I think I will continue playing him.
Why is it that people believe a full on melee hero would be unbalanceable, besides melee being complete and utter dogshit right now and parries being busted?
Being a shitlow Billy player and running into a new player that cannot into parries is like finding oil in your backyard
>>567235191Because uhh I have to use my counterspell parry on the meleeGAWD instead of the AOEslop or the ult
>>567235191The counter would be double jumping and you know for a fact WHITE PEOPLE can't jump like us blacks.
>>567234881you should learn the triple melee tech for t3 camps billy bro he can actually farm t3 camps really fast early with blasted
>>567157063is that dale
>>567235359why don't people do this vs wolf silver then, the SSSS character?
>>567235401he has to pay allimony for his daughter now
>>567235191They would need high mobility which people hate to fight and would have to be extremely tanky or deal shit loads of damage (or take the shiv route and be both). Things people already hate combined with a system that's already horribly designed. As much as I like the idea of a melee character, it'd probably just be a direct port of Iron Fist from Rivals.
>>567235492We climb ropes, because trannies cannot into rope climbing LOL
What's a fun m1gger haze build that isn't ultbot?
>>567235731Doesn't exist (Renon's Gun Haze).
>>567233370uhh every version of mirage is m1
>>567235632anthropoid*
>>567235638That doesn't really sound any different than any of the heroes from the last two batches honestly. They're all an unique sort of obnoxious and disgusting to play against.>it'd probably just be a direct port of Iron Fist from Rivals.I'd take that honestly. Or the Thing. You could just port a lot of kits to deadlock and have a bunch of fun with them. Sinclair would be a thousand times funner if he had Rubick's ult instead.
So whats the deal with Metro?
I have given up on playing m1ggers and trying and failing to be a carry, instead I will be playing Mo and Krill
>>567235915lolcow
>>567235915tuned into his stream this morning for the first time and passed out while he was bitching at chatI woke up an hour and a half later to him bitching about the same thing
>watching an e6 shiv povwhy is he allowed to do that
>victor plays like a pussy and farms for 20 mins>solo carries and wins us the gamewhat a toxic char design
>>567235791>Doesn't existFUG>Renon's Gun Hazety
>>567234302Also + 75 hp
>>567236074This games dead on arrival, the movement troons have taken over. It's another Gunz the duel in waiting.
>>567235638>>567235903>Fists are m1 slashesClosest we have to that is Silver (unfortunately they're gun attacks and not melee ones)>Counters fliersClosest we have is Apollo, or anybody with phantom StrikeThat being said, I would fucking love an Iron Fist analogue
>>567236074he had to spend every single ability and item he had into doing that tbf. as always the most obnoxious thing about shiv is his fucking passive. they could keep the rage bit and delete the defered damage and he'd be a thousand times less annoying
>>567236074the skillshot ult was actually a mega buff funny how it turned out
>>567236273its even funnier given that shiv players were screeching about how he's dead and overnerfed now when they changed it
>>567236314I mean it stopped my shitter playstyle of being teamfight lasthit janny.
>>567235965>>567236068Did he really call himself the face of deadlock?
>>567234536It's unironically better statted and has a better effect than most 1600 items and some 3200 items, and there's not a single 3200 counter item that does its job as good as rebuttal. Genuinely disgusting item.
>>567236268then he'll just die nearly instantly
>>567234536>I don't think you can name a single 800 item that so many overloaded stats and effects on it.Rusted Barrel is a pretty good contender.>yeah bro what if suppressor but better and half the cost>give the enemy m1 terminal AIDS trying to shoot anything
>>567236074Shmoovment + 2 movment abilities, the funny part is that apollo has 4 movment abilities so he can do more then that shit, celeste gets an inherent -100% gravity and 4 stamina so again, she can do what shiv did without even wasting ult, not to mention mina.Honestly any character with infinite movment needs to have their damage nuked across the board, you shouldn't be allowed to go everywhere and anywhere while having infinite health and infinite damage, it will kill the game
another GREAT fucking team...
>>567236490let's be real though, that's only because shiv players are boosted retards who position like shit all the time>WTF WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T 1V4 THE ENEMY IN JUNGLE 15M IN FOR 30S
>>567236490maybe he should if you have 4 fucking people chasing you like that. honestly nothing about his design says he's as tanky as he actually is, he's a skinny bozo that you'd think would be ALL about mobility and quickly getting in and out considering he's called SHIV and moves like the king at all times
>>567236074>gets stuck on fence
>>567236873EVERYONE GET IN THE CAR WE ARE LEAVING THIS TOWN NOW!!! AHHH WHAT THE IMPOSSIBLE ⁉THIS ISN'T THE CAR NOOO NOOO OHH‼YER DED!
>>567236685i was the calico lol your a noob
>>567236074
>>567236273>I TRIED TO BE NICE>Runs away
>>567236685rem is shit in solo queue just play dynamo he's literally rem but better>infinite range stomps that rape everything as opposed to small aoe pillows that also do less damage and have worse debuffs>quantum entanglement to iframe your entire team away from any sort of bullshit instead of trying to hope to god your retarded ape team mates give you any value out of tag along>massive max HP % heal on a low cooldown for sustaining your team through fights instead of awkwardly fucking around waiting 4s for regen to tick before swapping to another mate>massive 4.5s stuns that just auto win games if you land on even 2 people>he gets to do this twice>meanwhile your epic sleep ult will repeatedly result in an entire team being woke up 0.1s later because aoe fucking everywherebasically the only worthwhile thing he does better than dynamo is risk free map pressure but that comes at the price of giving double souls on each minion so if you just do it passively you're unironically accelerating the enemy carry's farm 2x. you have to do it right before a fight so they have any chance of doing something.
>>567236741I will never forget a Shiv bitching at me for pushing (and killing) all 3 enemy walkers as Seven, instead of joining his retarded brools in the enemy jungle
>>567233942it's le bad as much as the enemy team is le goodspirit damage is already pennies on the dollar, and her bombs are stupid easy to avoid/escape as long as you're paying a modicum of attentionbombadox is kinda like if Victor had to fucking root himself to use Aura of Suffering, which i don't have to explain why that isn't great
>>567236074this is why these fags hate Doorman btw
>>567236074>me 1v4 while a wave crashes into base and my teammates are dying under walker in a 2v1so nothing changes even in e6 huh
>>567237387fair, but thing is, i fucking hate dynamo also rem is fun when played like a rat>>567237054everyone is a ”pro” when they get fed hard by dumb shitters
>>567237567kek
>>567237387Don't forget that Rem is squishy as fuck, meanwhile Dynamo has the second highest HP pool in the game, and Kelvin has the third highest, both of them are "supports" btw, and yet only Mohammed is beating them out in tankyness
>>567237198>Oh god, not again... >AWOOOOO>Heals for 500 HP>Leaps away
I'M DOING IT!
>>567237667dynamo and kelvin have great escapes too and are really risky to engage with despite their hp pool because of their ult and they also have heals and an ability that can deal a ton of damagegenuinely why are they so fucking tanky
>>567237865https://vocaroo.com/1dMwHWjYTXQY
There is nothing more humiliating than a Sinclair mogging you with your own ult
>>567238109>>567238109
>>567237445I remember being flamed for taking a walker on a split push before instead of turning upto the urn fight. Like do people just forget walkers give item slots? It's the whole 'urn are limited walkers are forever' argument and that's all well and good but the amount of time a waves shoved into walker is also fucking limited and it seems exceptionally retarded to flame someone for doing something that helps the entire team out.
>>567236261>unfortunately they scale well and aren't locked to only significantly improving with three itemsoh no muh semantics, not true melee!!!
>>567232143The reply didn't make any sense then.
>>567236562Funny thing when against nigfernus and or mina as celeste, buy supressor and rusted barrel, you literally sit on their faces kek. Nigfernus will just dash away like a nigger though.
