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YOU WILL TELL ME HOW TO BUILD AROUND THIS
>>567566527that will be 29.99 plus tip
>>567567889sent :)NOW TELL ME
>>567566527here you gohttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=path+of+exile+2+faridun+impaler+build+new+best+hindi
Ngl I do have to give TalkativeTri props for really abusing and proving the importance of first mover advantage and 'content' saturation. This guy is the pinnacle of clickbait except even less entertaining because he doesn't engage in anything actually interesting. He is quite possibly the worst content creator I have ever seen, just in terms of pure entertainment of output.Yet he has a minor following and a couple of hundred consistent watchers on Twitch, along with official recognition from GGG.
>either the game is good or I get to doompostI win no matter what
do you guys think Facebreaker "added" damage will apply to shockwave totem?
comparison is the thief of joy
>>567568175He unironically won.
zaccie is having a melty in alk's discordDo not make fun of HIS game
>>567570457post it
Thinking this will be a league launch worth taking time off for. Torn between taking two or three days
>>567570907Just him seething about his vision of how theres 1000 runes but the "shit ones dont drop in maps"
do not do temple in 0.5it will not be worth ithigh end crafters will not overpay for the corruption currency that will be in short supply
>>567571003post it
>>567571072I will do only expedition. It looks very fun
I'm playing Forza Horizon 6
Is there a third ascendancy trial yet?
I literally just started PoE2. What did boss DPS look like before CoC Comet? Were people hitting the same numbers in other ways? Were builds more varied?
>>567571646>before
>>567571507Same, unfortunately it's too popular so the online services have been fucked since the plebs were allowed in
I sincerely don't get the complaint about rune bloat, just don't pick up the shit ones, its literally not a problem
>>567572181>20% more damage against bleeding enemies if you have a power charge>20% more damage against frozen enemies if you have a frenzy charge>20% more damage against pinned enemies if you have an endurance chargex1000There's probably like 10 in actual fact.
>>567572417d4 directly calling this shit out
>>567572586uhhhh BASED department?
>>567572586niGGGers, your response?
>>567572586holy shitpoo2 BTFO
>>567572586Still not as bad as poe2 because poe2's items' wordswordswords degenerate into "20% more damage if you are using it with an approved combo".
Literally no one is interested in 0.5?How big is this league going to flop?
>>567568674Probably not, given they're both replacements for "normal" damage investment.
>>567572586this is actually kinda based if real
>>567572867Unique ShieldName: Glorpshitto's Tub300EVGrants level 18 Brown Brew10% DeflectionYou cannot sprintEnemies in your presence are intimidatedYour mana flask is now filled with tubwaterBrown Brew:Requires unarmedCosts 5 mana flask chargesThrow your tubwater at the enemy to deal x to y chaos damage and inflict enshittification on hit
>>567573589it's the mythic unique item you get for doing the secret cow level that was introduced in the latest patch. I know it's real because this is my screenshot from the item in my inventory
why did they nerf Concoctions and Hexblast into the ground? they weren't even overpowered, just playable
>>567573589https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/item/the-cow-kings-crown-2537754
YOU MANIPULATIVE WHORE
>>567574026buttercuckie
>>567573992They didn't comply with the vision.You will do the combos.
>>567573992They were being used, and the niche they were supposed to fill was not being used
>>567570457KWABLet him know that 17 is laughing at him.
>>567573867You forgot (cannot modify the skills of minions)
>>567573992poe2 does not allow cheating
>he is a jingakh
I am a jingakh
whats a jingakh
jingakh stole my bike
>>567572014I'm just making liveries
you fight like a dekarah
>>567572586>Jonathan taking notes
>jing-ACK!
Does anyone know how the rune upgrades to Ezomyte uniques into what I assume are Kalguur ones will work?
>>567576560Jonathan knows
>46 more poops until patch notes >203 more poops until league launch
Is it normal for GGG to announce and showcase a league a whole month before the release
>>567577017They were very worried since the d4 expansion pretty much fixed all issues with the gameSo they needed to act quickly to remind their talents what happens when they don't jump (They get blacklisted)
>>567577017yes, they're normally retarded
>>567577017bro they COOKED so hard with this update jonnyboi finna gonna tease out everything for 3 weeks on innocence no kappa #ad
>>567573992For Hexblast at least, its intended play dynamic got turned inside-out by Blasphemy so instead of a "chunky" payoff you need to setup it was just spammed for bulk clear with fuckstupid damage. I'd have used a scalar instead of a hard conditional so the Blasphemy interaction gets a reasonable clear skill but the people following The Vision get the choking.
Hopesissies are going to EXPLODE the second the patch notes come out. I can't wait.
>>567577703Which version of the patch notes?
>>567573992they have no idea how to design spellsit's so sad to see all spells slowly succumb to the enshittification that is the vision™
>>567577703>drop phat patch notes into the tub>watch people make builds>pre-emptively nerf every interesting interaction they can think of>they thank you and ask for more
>>567577703I'll explode with happiness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDK3gIYfK_0we are here btw
>>567568175Tri being a bumbling moron actually works out for me because it ends up with him being too retarded and lacking any real knowledge about the game to formulate any retarded selfish questions for when they invite him to interviews which forces him to ask questions that people tell him to ask as opposed to other subhuman content creators who treat the interviews as some kind of personal Q&A and asking things only relevant to them.
>>567578794>UHMMMM DON'T YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF BAD FOR HARDCORE SSF PLAYERS????
>>567578860Absolutely fucking insufferable faggot with his faggy voice always turns the interviews into a balance discussion where he tries to convince them not to change things he likes or to change things that HE wants to change.
>>567577017Typically a teaser is 3 weeks before and the full announcement is 2 weeks beforehand, this time it seems to be an additional week. I suppose it makes sense if this is supposed to be the "big" patch that everyone wanted but that's pretty far from the reality of the matter, I feel as if no one cared too much for THIS level of endgame rework, porting Breach2 without a full league and the Atlas quests are nice but I don't think everyone wanted a full on extra pinnacle boss per league content before the full game was out. That's more than Poe1 gets
>>567578860It's funny that Jonathan wanted a full on gauntlet before the game releases and yet he consistently makes defenses dogshit
>>567577017Well every other time they've been able to fit all the relevant info into their livestream, but seeing how they did a 2.5 hr live stream, a 2.5 hr long QA and after, and like 4 interviews, and still didnt get to stuffNo its not particularly normal
>>567580115thats because he wants a game where you have to use skill rather than just farming up enough defense to tank everything
>>567580506>Use skill>80% of bosses will take an eternity or instakill you because you couldn't farm up 25% ms boots and physically don't have enough movespeed to dodge unless bowcuckingHmmm
>>567580716>movespeed to dodge?????
>>567580981lets see a webm of you doing arbitor fire circles and hallways with 0 ms
>>567579998>The loudest whining was about the endgame not being fleshed out>GGG fleshes out the endgame>"Weeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll we didn't really care about the endgame being updated and you gave us players too much, it just feels.... like a waste ya know?"insufferable
>>567581409>80% of bosses are arbiter>doesnt have 25% ms by arbiter????????????????????????
>>567579998>but I don't think everyone wanted a full on extra pinnacle boss per league content before the full game was outwhat the fuck are you on about? the endgame was barren, this patch gives people everything they've been asking for in that regard. and then some, to say the least
>>567581591>makes a shit endgame to begin with for no reason at all
>>567582176Yeah the game is unfinished, generally people with brains understood it wasn't going to be perfect day 1, or day 300.
we should all go back to planetside 2 until the new league starts
>>567582280PoE 2 has been in development for 7 yearsAnd PoE has been out for way longer>Oh sorry guys, we have to remake this thing we all knew would be terrible but didn't think you'd hate it
>>567582374you're being intentionally dishonest or you're retarded. poe2 endgame was not in development for 7 years. they've said all work was put into campaign/classes/etc and that they shifted to make an endgame 6 months before what was planned to be a beta but turned into early access. i'm not the biggest poe2 OR early access fan but i can't stand niggers like you who willingly partake in an incomplete product, willingly feeding yourself false or incomplete info, then you bitch about said conditions and stipulations. literal mongoloid IQ
>>567582374It was incomplete and now it's potentially complete, redesigned and fleshed out based on what players asked for and whatever else they could come up with based off of now being able to focus solely on remaking the endgame.Stop whining about literally everything, you are insufferable.
>>567582527>niGGGer employee meltyIts okay zaccie. Play in your shit tub
>>567581591The loudest whining was more about slow content drip and bad balance imo, but if you feel that it's more about endgame I'll believe you.
>>567582602>schizobabblei accept your concession
>b2b reddit spacing replies
>reddit spacingnewfag. term was created just to make retards like you out yourself
>>567582527This isn't true. Chris had seen 2's atlas while he was still working at GGG. He confirmed this in the interview with Jonathan.
Most of the people complaining about PoE2 are poorfags that can't afford early access
>>567583101>This isn't trueit's from jonathan's mouth so take it up with him. he explicitly said there was no functioning endgame and they realized people would hate an unfinished campaign so they hard shifted. i can only imagine both are true to some extent; i.e., the atlas was prototyped and developed but they had no functional mechanics ported over or any bosses made etc
I'm playing poo2 for the "first time" so my feedback is genuine: the game is good but I hate that I can't just one shot shit mobs, the combat requires too much inputsand also the endgame is terrible, the atlas is dumb and unnecessarily cluttered, I need to think before sloting a map and starting a map which is not how path of exile is supposed to be, they need to add a button that simplify the atlas without all the convoluted graphicsthe endgame needs a dumb npc like kirac with a simple and defined questline that brings you from acts to red mapsbut the game is not bad, the gem system needs an upgrade to make players stronger idk, add a new support slot, something
>>567582751No, the loudest whining was that the game was literally just a campaign and everything beyond that was as shallow as a sink. That doesn't mean there wasn't whine spam over everything else, but trying to pretend that the lack of an endgame wasn't issue #1 is you being disingenuous. We won't know until we play it whether it's good or not but it's obvious they put a fuckton of work into it because it's what the game needed more than anything else.
>>567583212This was debunked by them doing free weekends every release and numbers not going up
>>567583259>I hate that I can't just one shot shit mobsThe game is not for you then
>>567583259>I need to think before sloting a map and starting a map which is not how path of exile is supposed to beYou're right, it's better, this is what PoE2 should be, a video game and not a mindless second monitor game.
>>567583259>the game is good but I hate that I can't just one shot shit mobs, the combat requires too much inputsyou're never going to like it then. poe2 is intentionally trying to not be the game you're asking for
>>567583427It adds nothing to the game and you just know it's GGG fellating themselves over how the atlas feels le tangible because you have to interact with it in this awful and clunky fashion.
>>567583424>>567583632You guys aren't one-shotting trash mobs and are as shit as a brand new player? Jesus... The self-reports are wild.
>>567583660>It adds nothing to the gamePersonally I genuinely dislike the design of PoE1's atlas where you just pick the most optimal map for your farm strat and run it 100x. I understand I'm in the minority here because I also find many PoE1 map layouts to be horrendous and generally prefer the bigger and more open layouts of 2.
>>567583212Frog posters are feds
>>567583791Yes, we don't one-shot trash mobs here in /poeg/
>>567583660It adds a lot to the game, the atlas is now an adventure where you get to choose which way to go and where to explore. You can control a certain amount of what happens (map mods) but you cannot control everything, this means that you yourself have to think, plan, and strategize instead of just chuck the same map and scarabs into the machine 900 times in a row. There's a level of excitement that comes from the exploration factor, clearing the fog of war to see what's beyond that next mountain range, that's the shit right there.You got filtered, it's ok to admit that.
>>567583791>i copied a build off my favorite strimmer :)we know
>>567583953>reddit spacing>le filtered copeSorry, it adds nothing to the game and just ruins the flow of mapping.
>>567583886I don't even use any kind of AoE, I kill every mob individually
>redditor posting paragraphs to defend their shit gameHas to be a ggg employee
>>567584203>reddit spacingnewfag, go back or lurk moar
>>567584318Zaggie not sending his best.
Assuming Life recovery rate applies to the flask chest, I played around on a shaman build and (without lord of the wild) got something like 300% inc damage, decent attack speed, zealot's Oath, 300% ES and Armor while shapeshifted, something like 250% effective flask effect between all the modifiers, 36% damage as extra, +3 max res, and decent enough raw armor applies to elemental and about 5 jewel slots.Still feels bad giving up your whole chest in theory for 1000+ Regen, and Amazon can get much more value out of this even without dipping into building zealot's because of the MoM hybrid build and more options for weapons as well as less pathing needed for the flask effect, but there's a lot on the tree. Maybe it'd be possible to leverage bear's built in armor and to mitigate having a weak chest? Damage feels a bit sketchy still without lord of the wilds but with bonded runes, lord of the wilds, and slightly better pathing I think it's possible to get somewhere. Surprisingly it isn't really that big of a investment to go to Oasis for the 30% more, and I think I might get more value dropping all the shapeshifting nodes since they're not particularly efficient sources of damage. But idk. At the end of the day it isn't crit and it won't be easily to scale crit like this, and while Oracle might be a better choice because of the hidden passives I'm not entirely sold on the idea of this must investment for only a thousand-ish life regen. MoM Amazon though? I can see that working out pretty damn well but I don't like playing Amazon because of the spear skills
>>567584318>paragraph shitting on game: =)>paragraph liking game= =(why are you even in a place for discussion of a game if this is how you think
Im not reading that dawg
>>567584785Path of Exile 2 Game of the Year Edition would make you kill yourself
>>567584775I dont need a paragraph to shit on poe2I can just change an e to an o
>>567584949bro flexing his double digit iq
>>567584949newfag zoomies are so unfunny it's unreal
>>567584696>don't like playing Amazon because of the spear skillsYou don't have to use spears with amazons
>>567585012>>567585021>hopesissies literally can't come up with a defence for poo2
>>567584775As opposed to getting super defensive over any bit of criticism and telling people they're shit, poor and filtered despite them obviously having to play the game to even have the knowledge to critique it. If you want a hugbox, reddit is waiting for you.
>>567585093I want a hugbox?
I could use a hug fr ngl
>>567585049I don't know what else to grab, I guess you can run crit on literally anything but the current choices, save for unarmed, spells, QS, or talismans don't really do it for me. And I'd rather not do spells again. I wouldn't mind playing giving spears another try but if it's just twister and lightning spear I don't imagine it'll be very fun
>>567585071>muh tribalism>>567585093>reads anon's rebuttal>cries because at the end of it he got insultedsounds like you're the one who needs a hugbox fagtron. that irony is probably lost on you
>>567585278If you're going to complain about people spiteful and negative while acting in the same petulant fashion, you need to look in the mirror, retard.
>>567585341>completely misses the pointas expected of an ESL
PoE1poo2Simple as
>>567585434you literally posted "no u" and then responded to my post with "ESL." Nigger, YOU are the issue.
>>567584203The only thing it ruins is boring people wanting to be boring, that's it.
>>567583843Do you mean Freds? My name is Fred
>>567585607>you literally posted "no u"i "literally" did not. if you're going to be gay AND this retarded can you stop talking to me now
>>567585689You did though>>567585615Non-sequitur
Geonor's GreatswordGrants skill [Manipulative Whore] 20% more damage to women
>>567585861quote me then
>>567586067>you're the one who needs a hugboxThe post is right there.
>>567586142>>you literally said no u>posts me not saying those wordsinteresting
SAAYYY ITSAY IT RIGHT NOW
>>567586218Poo2
>>567586198>I'm just pretending to be retarded
>>567585861>I want to run the same map 100 times in a row>not boringYou can either close the thread and go play a game you do have fun in or you can keep this thread open for the next 4 years whining daily about a game that does something you don't personally find fun and crying your eyes out that people don't agree with you.
>want to play poop2>remember sekhemas and ultimatum>no longer want to play poop2thank you poop2
>>567586218One tub, two poos.
>>567586308>doesn't understand the definitions of words he uses>this makes me retardedi'm teaching you a lesson on words here but i suppose you are more ESL than i thought
>>567586428Keep going, retard.>>567586402I have fun in Poo 2. I'm not the one getting upset over people disagreeing with me and demanding people make positive posts about the game like a fucking vagina.
>>567586410They really do suck. I mean its doable but its more like gritting your teeth and getting it done because you have to rather than enjoyable
>>567586425Are these an upgrade from Tubbed Trousers?
>poop 1 players cant handle easy ascendancy challengesunless its the last one they are easy and no different than poop 1
>>567586586You're mischaracterizing what happened in this thread, don'tcha think? To my eye people were having perfectly normal disagreements until the >this guy that likes the game is surely a GGG employee/redditorAnd you've been sperging out since because someone called out the hypocrisy. Nobody said negative posts aren't allowed or only positive ones are. I see it as taking issue with coming here to only cry and then crying harder when others aren't crying like you.But you do you I guess. You guys type and argue like you're 16.
>>567586826Neither of us mentioned difficulty. Its not a case of them being too hard, but not fun, a chore to get done.
>>567586848>this guy that likes the game is surely a GGG employee/redditorI didn't make those posts, moron. Stop replying to me.
>>567586952What makes them more tedious than lab? Trial of chaos in particular is insanely easy, straightforward, and quick if your build doesn't suck.
Two sleepies before patch notes, what's the plan?
>>567586952>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE JUST A BRAINDEAD EASY HALLWAY AND GIVEN TO ME WITH NO CHALLENGEI like that theres SOME challenge in 2. Poo 1 is literally just given to you for free because nothing in poo 1 even fucking matters until late mapsPoop 1 has rotten the mind of ARPGs and I will never forgive chris for turning it into cookie clicker
you always know poop2's leaguestart is rolling around because the 2jeets start defending slopkhemas and shartimatum
>>567587096Again, its nothing to with the difficulty or challenge. Are you legitimately retarded?
>>567586826the poo2 ascendancy trials are so easy honestly, it is surprising how badly it filters people. makes you realise just how low skill the average complainer is. In 0.4 I did my 1st, 3rd and 4th ascendancies in trial of the sekhemas as a 100% bear form druid and it wasn't even difficult. Yet you have people screeching how hard it is when they're playing casters/rangers which trivialize it completely
>>567587032This is what I do. I just wait until I can steamroll ToC, buy some trialmaster frags and get the cancer over with in one foul swoop. I will not engage with Sekhemas though. That shit is beyond boring.
>>567587226Then what is it? You've been asked but you refuse to elaborate, so people are left to make the only assumptions that are logical.
>>567587385he is saying they are too tedious/grindy and are boring as a result. Tedious != Hard. If you still need it explained further then I am afraid your retardation is terminal
>you have to enjoy this thing or you're shit!>brought to you by the same posters who can't one-shot trash mobsKEKAROO
>>567587385I quite clearly stated "its not fun" to do them. Its nothing to do with how hard or easy they are, but that the porcess of it is not enjoyable. Like doing laundry or vacuuming, these are not fun tasks, but they are not difficult. If someone says they don't enjoy doing the dishes, you wouldn't assume thats because they struggle with the dfficulty of the task. Your assumption is retarded, so I have to assume you are retarded.
>>567587226poop 1s trial is LITERALLY nothing. The traps are pointless, the mechanics are pointless cause you oneshot the boss anyways on all ascendancies and even the final one is easyPoo 2 having some that takes effort is too tedious for the average poo 1 because they want it to not matter and the ascendancy to be handed to youjust admit you like slop. Just admit you like turning your brain off and blasting through one of the most braindead easy campaigns ever. Oh but the moment anything takes effort and suddenly NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JUST GIVE IT TO ME AIIIIIEEEEEE I JUST WANT ARPGS TO BE INSTANT REWARDS AND NO EFFORTKill yourself poop 1 jeet. You are the reason why poop 1 turned to shit and why ARPGS turned into Diablo fucking 4. Dont ever touch a game that takes any effort cause youll cry for it to be braindead for your small jeet brain
>>567587692DON'T SUGARCOAT IT
>>567587692I never mentioned anything about poo1. Its not a comparison, I'm judging it as it is in poo2 by itself. You're not worthconversing with any more.
Why is there a 2s of my character decelerating after using sprint? It's fucking SHIT!!!
>>567587692Lab trials were once kinda hard in PoE, but they got powercrept out of mattering. The same thing will happen in Poo 2 and already somewhat has.
>>567587559What about them is tedious? As said before, trial of chaos is insanely fast and straightforward. How is it more tedious than lab? >>567587656>it's not funWhat is not fun about them though? That's what you keep being asked and you're sperging out at the mere notion people want to know what your specific criticism is. I'm just curious how you could find chaos "tedious" or what makes it unfun to you. I make my assumption about difficulty because it seems to anger you while you refuse to elaborate on why you find these things so "not fun"
>>567587967they've been powercrept since 0.2, you need to have a truly dogshit build to not completely faceroll them
>>567587972What makes talking to you not fun? Who knows, its just the way it is
>>567588058Probably because you're not used to having actual discussion and people challenging you on your opinions and reasoning>still not elaboratingNot beating the shitter allegations anytime soon, lil man.
It's a shame Oracle's hidden passive tree is druid side only, it has a ridiculous bow wheel
What is the choccy milk of PoE?
>>567587972I'm someone who farms ToC in leagues, but the flow of ToC is fucking awful. Having to take a platform and run from room-to-room isn't compelling or fun and makes me miss PoE's Ultimatum.
>>567588153>Having to [...] run from room-to-room isn't compelling or funYou do you I guess but I like actually playing my vidya
>>567588135I don't think it needs elaborating. Its not fun, end of. Detailed analysis of that is unneccessary. I question why you seem to angry that someone has critcized an element of the game?
>>567588258>passive-aggressive faggotryI gave my earnest feedback as someone who likes ToC and that was the best response you could muster? No wonder conversation is so fruitless and pitiful on here.
>>567587938you can end it with a dodge roll
>>567588153What even is there to farm? And what build are you usually running for it?
>>567588281>I don't think it needs elaboratingIt doesn't "need" elaborating, but if you simply throw out vague statements then people are going to assume your reasoning is poor. Which is clearly the case.>debate is now being madFirst time on the internet? Oh please.
it's so funny how simply mentioning poop2's ascension mechanics is like a shortcut to an instant 2jeet meldown, it must be really stressful having to shill for that garbage
>>567588425Any build that has a little bit of tank works fine. Hateforge and Adorned drop from Trialmaster and Soul Cores used to be good money, but GGG raped them. Divine Orb rewards are more common than you'd think.
>>567588415>earnest feedback>i hate moving room to roomyou're why yellow paint exists
Anyone wanna join my guild? Playing with a couple of anons here on launch. If you're interesting give me the name of one of your characters.
aint no way poop2 players are pretending they like the ultimatum elevators now
>>567588484Its just the way I feel about it, it doesn't need reasoning, I don't need to explain anyhting to you. But someone saying something is not fun or they don't like it doesn't lead to a logical leap of "its too hard" like you were flipping on about. It is easy, but I still don't like doing it. Why does that make you mad?Do you enjoy doing laundry? If not why? Its just fucking boring, who cares why, its just that feeling you get when you have to do something that you don't like doing, "fuck sake I have to do the fucking trials again".
>>567588783Sekhemas rooms flow much better. How much time do you actually play the game vs waiting for a platform and then traversing from room to room? If you run it for a few hours, you'll realize how bad it is.
>>567588416I WANT MY CHARACTER TO BE RESPONSIVEFUCK JONATROON EVERYTHING IS CLUNKY
There is a build in D4 right now that is basically just blade vortex and all you have to do is teleport around. If people want that comfy gameplay, why not just play D4?
>>567588869>it doesn't need reasoning, I don't need to explain anyhting to youIt also doesn't need to be posted here. But it was. So people asked for the reasoning. You could easily just tell us why you find trial of chaos unfun, but you instead choose to write 5 different paragraphs over the course of half an hour defending your right to vaguepost/vibepost. Literally takes more effort to do what you're doing now than to play trial of chaos. That you're so defensive over this almost guarantees people were right in their assumptions, you know.
Honestly, just give me a super overpowered extremely easy to set up build in the patch notes. I don't even want balance this patch. Just make me Superman and let me see the new shit without effort. Because it isn't worth the squeeze otherwise.
>>567589170>average poo1 player mentality
>>567587096>I like that theres SOME challenge in 2.keep outing yourself shitter lmao
>>567589070I could explain it, but I'm deliberately not. You're reacting like a woman right now, or a retard. Either way you're a defending a shit mechanic and raging at someone criticizing it. Why won't you explain why you are so mad about it people not liking the trials? Whats your logical reasoning for being triggered emotionally by someone else's opinion?
>>567589204poop 1 players literally want everything handed to them. Theres a reason poop 1 players had a meltie when people wanted poop 2 to take a bit of effort
>>567588974That Spiritborn build is kino, but PoE 2 is faster than D4. I played D4 for like ten days and then ran a few maps with my Spark CoC Comet build and the difference was night and day. Do you even play D4? The mobs in Torment 12 and Pit level 125 are tanky AF and you need a broken build to one-shot them. T10 Mephisto is harder than any boss in Poo 2.
>>567589351>poop 1 players literally want everything handed to themthe worst thing about it is that they are like this yet act like they aren't. They'll play HCSSF and then bitch about the game being too stingy with loot with too many one shots.
>>567589204>>567589351 PoE has way harder content at the higher-end that requires way more effort and knowledge than anything in PoE 2.
>>567589321>replying to me means you're mad>asking you why you hate X means I must love XI dunno anon, you're the one who sounds womanly here. I'm asking very simple and rational questions and you're sperging out and constantly deflecting or calling me angry. My posts aren't even particularly antagonistic. Are you done crying yet or do I get more guaranteed (You)s from the guy who totally doesn't care?
>>567589662This is how I see this "discussion":>couple of people say they don't like a thing>hah you're an idiots its easy>we never said it was too hard, we said we don't like it>explain yourself! explain it now!>shut the fuck upand with that, I am out. Stay mad faget
>>567589643>WELL THE GAME MIGHT BE BABY BRAINDEAD TIER BUT AT LEAST ALL THE CHALLENGE IS AT THE VERY VERY VERY VERY END Wow....poop 1 players really got me there
It's crazy how poe2 shills are still pretending the game is difficult, at least in poe1 you can't stunlock fucking bosses lmao
>>567589767The game is only easy because we've played for a decade and know everything about it. The same thing will happen to PoE 2 and already has.
>Requires Waystone (Tier 16) or higher (on every map shown)Man, this does not inspire confidence in Logbook content.
>>567589498>spark coc comet
Actual honest opinion: It's weird how many of you talk about poe 1 or poe 2's difficulty given that none of you have actually made your own builds, basically the only thing that might pose any hurdle at all in a ARPG
>>567589874bro even a retard like forsen who barely knows the series and never made it to endgame got to poe 1 endgame on hardcore very easily. Meanwhile he has hundreds of attempts on poo 2 and still has only gotten to beginning of act 3Poo 2 is WAAAAY harder than poo 1 if a retard streamer can clear hardcore poo 1 in a few attempts
>>567570908I took a week.
>>567589748That's not what happened at all tho.>"trials in poe2 suck ass" >"why?">"they're tedious">"what makes toc more tedious than lab?">anon proceeds to sperg out for an hour about how nobody is entilted an answer and how people asking him are buttmad>oh btw he's totally not a shitter who is mad cuz bad (he keeps posting angrily about this so he REALLY wants you to know this)>now he runs awayBye, stay mad cuz bad I guess idk
>arpgkeks unironically think their gearcheck genre has any challenge lollmao
>>567589958I went into poe2 completely blind, made my own build on the fly and managed to kill arbiter, it's not hard to do and it's not special to make your own build. It is however autistic to study every single interaction in the game to come up with something broken that ruins all enjoyment.
>>567589958i've freestyled my leaguestart every single league in poe2 so far
That guy was right, the trials do suck everybody agrees
>>567590052To be fair, forsen couldn't see because his dog was fucking barking
>>567590253wouldn't be much of a trial if it was a cakewalk like izzy
>>567590253Sekhemas is fun, interesting gameplay, balance of buffs and debuffs, plotting your course, opening chests for loot is cool.Chaos is garbage, only debuffs, room types are obnoxious, most rewards suck, and the bosses were fucked for a while.
>>567590052When did he finish POE1 campaign?
>>567589879uh maybe dont use a t16 logbook if you dont want the areas to be t16 then
>>567590253sanctum as a trial is unironically 10x better than lab and i will die on this hill. you guys are low attention span shitters.
>>567590052damn I didn't know forsen went 7/7 on poo1
>>567590052Is this bait or are you actually this retarded? PoE 2's campaign has less pressure on resistances and most dangerous moves are telegraphed. I've never bothered with HC in PoE so I won't speak on that, but I can make it to Act 3 with ease in SSFHC on PoE 2.
I think trials are retarded. You're forcing me to do content I don't want to do. That's bad game design. People like what you have to do to obtain voidstones because the content is fun. Nobody likes trials.
>>567590358They're easy, they just suck
>>567590358Your boy, Alk, died to Izaro in Merc league
>>567589958I have never used a build guide for PoE 2 and it's been relatively easy. It took me maybe 50 hours in total to get a proper sense for the new character development compared to PoE 1, but it's not exactly a difficult game. RNG and time is all it takes to succeed.
>>567590468>PoE 2's campaign has less pressure on resistancesPoE1 campaign has pressure on resistances? lol, lmao
>>567590253sugmas is actually 100% fine, it has boons and its own progression system to ease you in to itchaos is so dogshit its actually insaneelevators, rip-tier mods, awful shit like carrying soul cores and escorting a fucking rockAND the bosses are complete fucking BS, even worse with all the modifiers though damn just talking about chaos pisses me off they need to fucking nuke it from orbit
>>567588863I'd join a poegish guild as long as people are not complete schizos and don't interact much
chaos is better than sugma actually
I enjoyed sanctum so much I ran it as my main endgame activity in 0.3, it's just fun.
>>567590604toc and lab are shit. suggamas is kino. tota will probably suck ass.
>AND the bosses are complete fucking BSthe truth slips through the cracks
>>567590593>saying retarded shit>lol, lmaoTruly the worst type of poster. GGG has spoken on how they've purposely designed and balanced the campaign to have lesser pressure on resistances in PoE 2. I think they've said they don't even expect you to be res-capped in T1 maps.
>>567590747They've been nerfed but they were ridiculous, even discounting that point chaos is still not fun to run.
>>567589958It is pretty baffling to me that >90% of players just copy builds basically step-by-step. It's like playing Minecraft and all you ever make is just stuff from youtube builds tutorials. It's even weirder in Path of Exile 1 where the actual gameplay doesn't vary that much. People will play a dozen ranged attack builds that play exactly the same league after league and not even bother with even thinking about how to build them. What's the point???
>>567590604I still can't believe they haven't nerfed volatile orbs or whatever it's called. That shit is an instant brick and will delete 10k plus ES characters like nothing even if you go full-sweat trying to out-mechanic it.
>>567590787You can easily hit maps in poe1 while never once even looking at your resistances
>>567590604the more things in the game shitters "cant" do the better. just means skillful players get to reap the rewards of valuable drops
Its funny how the doomtards that pretend that poo 2 is easy when called out slowly start to admit that the game is hard through buzzwords like CHEAP or TEDIOUSDoomtards are just poo 1 players that are bad at poo 2. Even Jonatroon admitted new players were better than poo 1 players at poo 2
>>567590964Volatiles aren't particularly hard to dodge. What are you on about?
>>567591024Sure, you can do that with 50 deaths in the campaign. We're talking about HC though.
if you don't think poe2 campaign has less pressure on resistances/gear you really are a moron that simply doesn't play the gamesin poo2 all you need to beat the campaign is upgrade your weapon at lvl 16 and then at lvl 30
>>567590861i get tornado bird does alot of phys damage and deletes evasion and ES builds (aka facetankers and zoomy builds), but the other two were never even remotely difficult
>>567591097>>I've never bothered with HC in PoE so I won't speak on that>We're talking about HC thoughYou kind of self-owned yourself brother.
oh yeah and to get 4th lab from chaos you need to get rng drops from doing 10 roundsits so garbage how dogshit chaos is>567591038its not about not being able to do trial of chaos it's that it's the most slog filled vision tub retard humiliation turd to ever existretard
>>567591089This is why when you ask people for specific reasoning on why they think something is bad they refuse to give it.>rip-tier mods>AND the bosses are complete fucking BSBut the truth will always reveal itself.
>she benchcrafts resistances onto her level 28 body armorrofl
>>567591192You're arguing something that is completely nonsensical and you know it.
>chaos sucks because the mods are ripping>EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING RIGHT NOW, GIVE ME A FULL 1000 WORD ESSAY WITH SOURCES AND VIDEO TAPE YOURSELF RUNNING IT ALSO exhausting ass nigga
>>567591213>rngso you dont play the game or keep up with it, got it.
>>567591158Large bird would spawn the chasing drippy orb and that would delete people in conjunction with the other aoes and stage hazards you might have active. The Chimera wasn't bad, just a test of patience. Tornado bird was insane though, it felt like he was doing 5x the damage of everything else in there.
>>567591408Thats pretty much how zaccie types and replies to people btw
Reminder that zizaran died to the monkey twice in a row during a league launch but people will pretend that poo 1 is harder than poo 2
>>567591364all poowunners who can only play 1 button builds btw
>>567591408I don't mind the rippy mods. These guys don't even run ToC and then pretend that they love it because they are so defensive about the game and that's hilarious in itself.
>>567591451I wish I got paid kiwibucks to sit on 4chan all day and defend a half baked video game
>>567591480you lost trannyyour game is turning more and more into poo1 with every patch
>>567591474The monkey and the sprint function are filters, they serve a honorable purpose.
>trial of chaos mods are rippingSays fucking who? No way you guys are this bad
It's funny to me poeggers keep saying shit "build" when what they actually mean is shit "skill"t. swapped from firebolt to bonestorm and went from 400 DPS to 4500
>>567591537He's said how much he earns and its not very good.Like $80k NZD salary but puts in 30+ hours of overtime every week
hey remember when 0.4 completely flopped until someone found a farm that shit out more tinks than affliction juicing
>>567591553>Have to push the payload>Step away from it for a split second and it plays the animation to land>Step under it and it plays the animation to float>Takes a moment before resuming>Has a tiny fucking activation area>Combine this with any mod that requires dodging and you are constantly rolling out of range and having to go through the animation processes again and again>Doing it with the invincible ghost is a headacheYou are focusing on one single line of text among a dozen explaining why chaos sucks ass.
I usually skip sugma and just do chaos in campaign unless I get a massive power spike from my first two ascendancy pointssanctum was such a garbage league I really don't want to bother with it ever again.
>>567591429you know you can press space bar and dodge boss abilities right?god i cant wait for all the new pinnacle bosses to hard filter poe1 players
>>567591325Trialmaster is probably easier than the Birdnado bro. That's great balance and you can't criticize that unless you're a shitter or something.
no one here works are ggg you schizo, this thread has too much good and accurate feedback for ggg to read and improve the game, which they obviously don't do so they don't come here
>>567591762I don't think you know the boss or the mechanic in question, but it's ok, the conversation is beyond your paygrade.
>>567591762Nah the Torando bird has retarded tracking when he goes into the air to do his combo, the tornado isn't even the most annoying move he has. His slam is almost instant sometimes
chaos mods are finejust don't take that one, or that one, or that other one, no no no NEVER take that one, you can take like maybe ONE level of that but if you take another then you'll probably instantly die or lose, that one is fine as long as you don't get the trial that makes you shove crystals up your ass, but the trial that makes you shove crystals up your ass shows up like 9/10 on 10 round runs and that mod also makes one of the specific bosses impossible to hit anyway
>>567591745The only thing nice thing I'll say about Sekhemas is that it's not as bad as Sanctum. That shit is ASS>>567591795'VKE
>>567591795zaccie literally confirmed he browses here a while ago in alks discord retard
>>567591905All forms of Sanctum sucks ass.
>>567591715>You are focusing on one single line of text among a dozen explaining why chaos sucks ass.Meanwhile you just posted the first real criticism that isn't "the bosses are hard" or "the mods make it too hard". I agree with your criticism too, in fact I have my own. I just don't think lab is anything special or particularly fun so I don't have a hateboner for chaos/sugma. I think they're fine and can be improved, pretty simple. Idk why it's always got to be one extreme or the other with you niggers.
TotA will fix this
i dont like sanctum either but do you guys really think lab is fun? i think it's boring as fug. chaos is whatever, i don't see it as annoying but wouldn't say it's awesome. i dunno how you could find lab significantly better than either
>>567591850nah people just have bad builds and get stunned by a hit and stunlocked to death because they have no stun threshold.its not hard to dodge if you are point blank or far away - mid range you are in the sweet spot for tracking + aoe to stomp you.
>>567592103I like lab because Izaro is cool
>>567592103izaro has the best voice acting in poe1
>>567592158i wish i were that easily entertained. not even kidding
>>567591870>Every single defense archetype except for genuinely raw hitpool damage reduction and instaclear gets nullified by one mod in the pool>have to roll between the one mod that bricks your run and the two other mods that just make the entire thing horribly unfun (heart stun, ghost, volatile, totems) constantlyIt's the mixture of having to do fucking TF2 objectives while getting assraped by bullshit that makes it unfun
>>567591965>you just posted the first real criticism>>567590604>elevators>rip-tier mods>soul cores>escorting you are painfully autistic zaccieis this why poo2 sucks so much? you're all just terminally autistic and laser focus on small things?
>>567591965they should add global meta progression to toc, its too fucking boring as is. or cut all the downtime between trials. it reminds me of delve in the worst way.
>>567592103I think the favor people have for lab comes from it being really predictable and linear in campaign and uber lab being balanced around endgame power levels from a decade ago
>>567591965ToC just feels like the ultimate timewaster despite it being faster than Sekhemas. The shitty guide/fetch quests, the timer not going down when you instaslaughter mobs like it does in Sekhemas and the janky platforms that don't activate half the time when you press the button yet somehow decide to raise up the second you roll off of it to reactivate it just feels like the game is spitting in your face. That doesn't even touch on the mods making everything harder each room while Sekhemas can be steamrolly as fuck in the other direction.
>>567592237>poe1 players when they have to pay attention to something besides holding right click
If you think someone is being insufferable, you SHOULDN'T reply to them.You're just pushing positive reinforcement of bad habits by treating them like people.
>>567592251>trial of chaos is bad because I sit on an elevator for 3 seconds and died because I picked a bad mod for my buildI don't like the escort myself, as I said, but the rest of these are "git gud" non-issues. >you're a GGG employee if you do anything but shit on poo2 nonstopBack in my day on 4channel people actually talked about video games, lil zoomzoom
40 hours until patch notesHopes? Fears? Predictions?
>>567592565Why do you defend bad design, man? Like I get that you're trying to humble brag about how good you are at the game. You're a god gamer. Now let's address what's not working to improve the game.
>>567592282>I think people like lab because it's easy and straightforwardyea no shit that's why we're clowning on them
>>567592647actually trials need to be harder
>>567592565It's hard to fathom that somebody who isn't personally invested into the development of the game would be so defensive and standoffish on a mongolian basket-weaving forum.
>>567592565once again you autistic fuck, it's not a matter of skill or being good at chaos, it's a matter of subjective torturesekhema you are playing the game, you are given options, bonuses and curses, you have agencychaos is running around doing SLOGGY humiliation rituals while picking the version of AIDS that is least likely to kill youstop replying: I have to tell you this so that you understand to not reply to my post because you're so fucking autistic you wouldn't understand it
>>567592616>Hopes?all crutchbuilds nerfed>Fears?they let some tranny shit scrape by unscathed >Predictions?see: Fears
>>567590393I think during setllers league, look up forsen plays poe1, he died in lab to bleed
>>567585213*hug*t. poo1 player
>>567592647Thing you dislike != bad designYour opinions aren't objective. Neither are mine. I haven't even said I like trial of chaos. I've even criticized it myself. You just assume I like it because your low IQ monkey brain can't think beyond first order effects. We aren't really necessarily in disagreement on whether trials are good or not. We're in a meta disagreement on what makes them bad (or not).
>>567592749I don't care if they're harder, I just don't want them to take 30 min to complete per attempt.
>>567592616BM getting raped. Chronomancer being so generically strong that everyone just swaps to that instead.
>>567587692>leddit>______>spacing>______>lol
>>567592917>Thing you dislike != bad designyet you seem to think people who don't like chaos = bad, unskilled players
>>567592917You're attacking me for the very first post I made in this thread. Don't assume you're talking to the same Anon.
>>567591965Like the other anon said, even though Chaos is faster it's just not fun for me. My general opinions were >>567590369. Sanctum feels like im playing a game within a game, it's not difficult by any means but it's an enjoyable experience to route my way through it. If I get bad mods I can change my plans, redirect my path, have choices to make that mean something. Chaos feels like an early access version of what it should be, like the other league mechanics before 0.5 revamped them.
You don't have to explain why you don't like things, and the only people who would care so much are people who are personally offended for some reason. The only reason i can think of why you would be so insistent on demanding explanation or you're bad at the game is that you're personally involved in the development.
>>567592965>swapsCan't swap to an Ascendancy on another character, my dude.
>>567592828>defensiveOver? What am I defending exactly? I'm simply having discussion. Do you question people who negatively post all thread what their motives and "investments" are? Seems a little hypocritical of you, anon. >>567592854>"it's not a matter of it being hard">all of his criticisms are about difficultyEven in this very post all you're doing is using synonyms for "difficult" attached to everything you dislike. "The mods are too hard, the bosses are too hard, all the aids kills you and it's all too hard"Anon if you want people to stop telling you that you're mad cuz bad maybe you should stop complaining about how hard something is.>inb4 he replies again despite announcing his departure
>>567592953playing the wrong game mate
>>567593029>yet you seem to think people who don't like chaos = bad, unskilled playersNot at all, I never said this and even protested against this idea earlier in the thread. I think there are many valid criticisms of both trials. But when you post direct criticisms that are "the mods are too hard" and "the bosses/rooms kill me" then it is literally a skill issue.
Has to be replying to himself at this point, lmao.
>>567591364this is unironically because every build in poe 1 is broken and only this one build in poe 2 is broken
>>567593108>I don't like bananas>why? why don't you like bananas? is it because they're too hard for you to eat? You suck at eating bananas>no i just don't like them...>bananas are great, you suck at bananas. You fucking suck. I bet you love apples yeah because theyre so easy, you fucking bitch>...turns out that guy worked at a banana factory
>rippy mods>complaining about the fuckin bird>it takes 30 minutes to complete trial of chaosthis explains so much about you guys holy moly
i think dissent with people regarding the development of poe 1 and poe 2 should be kept to one single word reply and nothing else and we all know exactly what word it should be
TUB
>>567593457>>567593504
I'm a new player in act 6 as witch and I keep getting 1 shot constantly. Is this expected or is my gear shit, or am I expected to use a bunch of buff skills? I don't really want to look up a build guide, that's not fun at first, just want to know if I'm expected to be squishy
>>567593457skilllessness
retard
>>567593437>need to fight trialmaster for the last 2 ascendancy points>forced to run 3rd trial repeatedly for the fragments to unlock the fight>the fragments don't have equal drop rates>trialmaster fight inherits all the rippy modsI'd rather pay a 3rd worlder 1 div to get the last trial taxi
ngl the trials are really easy nowadays...
>>567591916well if that's true then FSR 3.1.5 or FSR 4.1 update better be there in the patch notes
>>567593457Poe 1 is irrelevant at this point
>>567593728The new game doesn't even have 100k more players LMAO
>>567593684how much ai did you use to make a post so incorrect?
>>567593695Laundry is easy too, still don't like doing it
>>567593545Your gear is probably shit.End of Act 5, you lose 30% Fire, Cold, Lightning, and Chaos Res.Start of Act 6 is filled with dudes who do Fire damage and some who do ice damage that falls on your head.I am also not kidding when I say at this point you are expected to have 75% Fire, Cold, and Lightning res.So if those 3 aren't capped, go to your Hideout and see if you can cap them out using the Crafting Bench.
>>567593728both poos are irrelevant lmao D4 completely raped them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzyNUTiYCoEXPLODE EVERYTHING
>>567593684>trialmaster inherits the modsit has literally never worked this way, you're thinking about poe1
>>567593824You suck at doing laundry. Folding things too hard for you?
>>567593946NTA but why would you do a woman's job?
FOLD ISSUE
>>567593936You fell for bait, my dude.That's not even the most ridiculous thing he posted.
>>567593684>fragmentsit literally tells you what fragment you get on the item you put in retard>forced to rungiga retard
>>567593986You know why
>>567593684highest IQ poo2 trial hater
I wonder if people actually die to Trialmaster. If only we had a developer that lurked here in charge of monster balancing that would have those stats...
My tub runneth over...
why should a mandatory part of a build be hard to achieve
The trials are like different games within a game. Its same as why I didn't like tmeple, it takes you out of the game to play some other shit thats not the same game. I don't want to play that game, i want to play the other game, but its making me play a different game to play the game I want to play
>>567594278because it feels good to triumph over a difficult challenge, even more if the reward is big
>me hating trials isn't about them being hard!>the next hour of the thread is people bitching about trial of chaos mods and bosseslove this general like you wouldn't believe man
tedious not hard
this wouldn't happen if they pursue the 2 campaign 1 game announcement
>>567594278You aren't entitled to ascendancy points, lil poop.>>567594346I made plenty of points as to why it feels bad to play in direct comparison to the other trial.
when are they gonna start forcing you to do the last ascendency in trials of chaos so people stop doing the easy ass sekhmas
>n-n-n-n-no I mean TEDIOUS not HARD>continues to whine about the bird killing himkeep posting i'm loving it
>>567594337I don't find them particualrly difficult, and it doesn't feel good to me when I've done them, its more like a sense of relief that that shit is over with for now and I can get back to playing the actual game.
poe2 now has t 17 maps btw
>>567594419imagined tedium comes from comparing to poe1,
>>567594483raped
This is just from the campaignThe whole island expedition thing is just re used assets
>>567594615you just described all of poe1 and poe2
>>567594615Anon, they're maps. No shit they're reused campaign assets.
>>567594570I don't even play poop1 and find the poe 2 trials tedious, explain that
Anyone wanna join my guild and play on launch day?
>>567594615We've got Sherlock fucking Holmes over here boys.
>>567594570comparing the good game to the bad game is the thief of joy
>>567594772Are we in call together and jerking it
>>567594435In certain respects The Rock is a harder fight than Aztecguy
>>567594754i dont know what instant gratification slop you play, but replace poe1 with that.
>>567594789>>567594749>>567594715I want NEW stuff when they're introducing island hopping give me actual new shit Jonathan even says many new biomes yet all im seeing is the same shit
I have no dog in the fight you guys are having, but as someone relatively new to poe1 I find lab much more tedious than trial of sughmaz. Some of you have probably done lab so long or played poe1 so long you don't feel it. Idk about chaos I never do it
>>567594816yeah but with my other friends too
>>567594878sekhmas at least feels interesting even if it is cancerlab is just wasting your time
>>567594615THRILLST
>crafting benchcheating bench ruined poe1 for me, made it too easy, need anything? just slap it on had to wait for ruthless to fix itgood that they're not just copying it over
>>567594847I don't want instant gratification. I would argue against any kind of campaign skip for instance, and I laugh at people in chat asking for carries. I will do the trials myself or not at all, but still, I'd rather it was something else. I don't know what, I'm not a game designer. I like poe 2 in general but not that part of it. i don't mind having to do something for an ascendancy. Scrap the current trials and try something else instead bro. Maybe just through trial and error you might make it less shitty in that department.
I just like playing games
>>567593826thanks man, I bumped up my resistances and the game is actually playable again
>>567595037>cheating
>>567594878>never do itThis is how most of the community feels about ToC which is all that needs to be said.
>>567594525>she still believes ggg's trailersheya, "Or Higher" was just a mistake from our end and should not have been showing. Tier 16 is still the highest tier for maps.
reminder if you trivialize content with some tranny build then your opinion on it is worthless
>>567595174yes, that's the purest form of cheating in an arpg, getting to put modifiers on items without having to fight or kill anything
when will they add uber bosses in poe2
>>567595460>reminder if you win at a game your opinion is worthless
>>567595460The entire point is to solve the game to the point where it becomes easy. Maybe an ARPG isn't the genre for you?
>>567595460This is true>>567595526If something is meta and OP its by accident and you are playing in an unintended way
this is the worst general in vg, nobody discuss the game, it's full of shit flinging like it's a jeet festival
>>567595526>>567595610sorry I should rephraseyour opinion on it's difficulty is worthless
you were unintended and an accident :)
>>567595660I never once said it was difficult. Tedious, yes. Not dificult.
>>567595630>game where you can do ANYTHING buildwise>unintended
>>567595659>he doesn't know about /xivg/not even close. gacha and mmo generals are pure aids
>>567595526>>567595610the crying when pinnacles dont die in 0.5 seconds and you actually have to learn bosses is going to be astronomical
>>567595674That is actually true, my mother used to say it
>>567595273why put "t16 or higher" in multiple trailers if t17s arent real
>>567595787PoE 2 already has way more power creep than poe 1 so what does it matterThe base game isn't fun and the tree is dog shit
>>567595787I have never once complained about difficulty. It's slow and tedious - not difficult. Just because something takes a while to do doesn't mean that it's HARD.
>>567595861That is the definition of hard
>>567595713It is unintended, otherwise why would they nerf things? Some things and interactions were unintentionally too powerful. If you were using them, you were basically cheating.
>>567595659You could make a decent argument for being in the bottom 50%, but only someone who hasn't actually looked at the threads here could hold this opinion. It's nowhere close to the worst general on the board. For one, it has more than two posters in it who treat the place as a personal schizoblog.
>>567595883Nah, overcoming challenges through clever use of game mechanics - that's what it's all about. Something taking 2 minutes instead of 30 seconds doesn't make it difficult. You've already proven to understand the mechanics, so now you're just sitting there on repeat while the bosses cycle through their abilities. Let's not pretend that comes with a lot of utilized brainpower.
>>567595883retard
>>567595659I'm tired of this memego browse a gacha general for a few minutes and you'll want to blow your brains out
>>567595991>anon boots up vidya game>"i'll choose anon must die difficulty">enemies do 3x damage, anon does 0.5x damage>"this isn't harder it's just more tedious"retard
>>567595861im currently hard
just look at kulemak complaints to see how retarded people are when they cant instakill a boss.the only mechanic is 'drop the fire away from the boss' and people just stand in it and complain the dot does too much damage
>>567596104If you know the mechanics enough, it's really just number bloat instead of meaningful difficulty.
I swear some poe players won't be happy until the game is vampire survivors with crafting
>>567595991What makes it hard is getting it down to 30 seconds. It's only taking 2 minutes because you are bad at the gameThey could make a hard to complete game, but it would have no players and the studio would close.
>>567596239It seems like a lot of you have never played any other games
>>567596193Mechanical knowledge isn't the only thing that contributes to "difficulty".A boss has the same mechanics but one shots you instead of taking 100 hits to kill you. That's a harder boss. You're playing semantics and doing it poorly.
>>567596218true and this is why cookie of clicker 1 players should be made fun of so this never happens.
>>567596285Nice rebuttal, that really addressed the discussion
>>567596104As the other anon said - if you know the mechanics it's easy.
>>567596291I'm saying that's a bad and lazy form of difficulty. Real difficulty done by competent devs would introduce new moves, faster skill speed, etc..
>>567591474how does that prove anything?man finds game he has 100 hours in harder than one he has 10000 hours in, news at eleven
>>567596193its the difference between autobattling and actually using game mechanics, dont be retarded
>Looking up builds to see what people were playing in 0.4>Most of them are using a skill like whirling slash for movementgod please smite this garbage holy fuck people actually play like this
>>567596239I agree that getting it down to 30 sec is part of the skillset, but not really relevant to the rest of the post.
>>567596415PoE is the harder game though. PoE 2 was made to onboard new players and plays as such.
>>567596536its not anymore0.5s bloat is absolutely gonna destroy every onboarding the game had
how much longer until patch notes?
>>567596558Yep, they got all the new players that they could and most already bailed so it's back to catering to their actual playerbase.
>>567596536
>>567596536poo1 is a pure knowledge check with little gameplay skillpoo2 is still a knowledge check, but with some focus on player skill especially campaign through T1-15
>>567596438You're retarded. It's not one or the other. Both have their place and can be leveraged to make a game harder. Number bloat can be bad just like OHKO mechanic bloat can be bad. Everything has its place. You don't disagree, you just don't like numbers.
poe1 is an rpg with rpg mechanics and simplistic combatpoo2 is a failed version of dark souls with a worse crafting system than dark souls too
>>567596438they learned from poe1 NOT to do this because its bullshit.prime example: maven - normal scissor attack does literally nothinguber turns off all recovery for 10 seconds and you probably die.you literally learn fights wrong in poe1they cant do that when the gameplay loop is - learn mechanics with infinite portals on normal into actual fight with 1 portal uber.
PoE 2 invented boss mechanics and moving out of the way of their moves. Before PoE 2, we all just sat there facetanking every boss and mob.
>>567596609they barely tried though
>>567596784>dodging boss attacks makes your game dark soulst. retard that never played dark souls>crafting system>dark soulsnigger hwat? see above
Bosses should take a bit of time to kill. With knowledge and a good build you should be able to reduce the time. I just think the difference between a slow kill and a fast kill needs flattening.
I want to breed Lily and you cant stop me
>>567596923this desu
I want to say I'm so glad you fucking retards aren't developers but zaccie is in here so....
>>567596984biology stopped you before it began, homo
I'll never forgive you fags for crying about 0.1 bosses being too hard and getting them nerfed. You're never ever ever allowed to complain about bosses in any capacity until you atone for that sin.
>>567586425has anyone ever made a shit build work? there was a helmet too but you throw the poop so slowly
>>567596984does she... you know...?
>>567597072no boss got nerfed, we just got actual crafting which let everyone get absurd gear
>>567597072WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LEVEL 20 MOBS KILLED ME ON FLOOR 1WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I TOOK 50 AFFLICTIONS AND NOW ZAROKH BEAT MEinb4 people unironically think afflictions are rngDONT PICK PATHS THAT LEAVE NO OPTIONS
>>567596923In practice this means either flattening the difference between good items / skills and bad ones, a good build and a bad one. Or artifically making the bosses impossible to be trivialized by builds way stronger than others.
>>567597264probably. you can drop a level 94 version of that unique that outclasses class skills.
>>567597334many bosses were giga nerfed from 0.1 to now
>>567597317>does she... you know...?anal? exclusively
>>567596984That's going to be a difficult endeavor seeing as he has a penis and testicles.
>untested game gets balanced>you ruined the gameRemember the stats from 0.2 that showed like 60% of deaths in maps were from that volatile plant rare mod.
>>567597448uh no, they were buffed if anything. maybe show what you think is a nerf to any boss.
>>567597383Its impossible to balance in this game, the differences are too extreme. IMO a perfectly maxed build should be doing about 50% more than an inexperienced slapped together build, but people like being able to make OP shit that trivializes things so I don't think htey would like my version of things anyway.
>>567597993wrong and I cbf trawling patch notes to post examplesmost bosses are significantly weaker vs 0.1 versionsmonke, colossus, all of A3 hp nerfs, zarokh taken out back, simulacrumall not to mention you now have infinite attempts to learn most of thembosses are easier now in most ways
crazy how the quest is to speak with dannig and there's no indication at all where can I find him
>poo general still crying that poo 2 is too hard while also saying its easykek poo 1 and D3/4 really made these ARPG "fans" used to eating braindead shit for years
>>567595474however it costs currency so you do have to fight and kill stuff so you're wrong :)
>>567598537oh you were talking about 'bosses' and not pinnacle bosses.>infinite attempts to learnthats the entire gameplay loop in poe2, they are designed to BE learned so you can work up to 1 portal maps/bosses
>>567598726>zarokh and simulacrum are not pinnacle bosseskyou asked for examples I gave some. go compared 0.1 bosses to 0.4 and post examples where they are stronger
>>567598846>arbiter>higher area level>heals to full on transition>now deals increased damage
>>567599772pinnacles had their HP cut in half
>>567597072thisbosses felt rewarding instead of falling over like cardboard
>>567599976the infinite try forms sure, the actual fights were unchanged
>>567600123>the actual fights were unchanged>whole difficulty tier removedwhy are people in this thread obsessed with confidently posting blatantly wrong shit
>>567600050retard, losing the entire citadel map or 3 divs worth of keys on 1 death was infuriating
>>567600123no, even the highest tiers had their hp nerfed by a massive margin
It was a nerf in the sense that it was made lower but Mark said the bosses were never intended to have that much HP and there was some bug making them have double HP
>CRAZIEST 0.5 BUILD LATE GAME SHREDDER!!!>Look inside patch notes>Nerfed into the groundMany such cases...
>>567600525play a nerfed build, pussy
>>567600278not what im talking about at all
>>567597339the average IQ of a poe 2 player is in the 85 range, please understand.
>>567600278you don't sayan entire MAP or three DIVS worth of keys?holy shit sissyfor just ONE death?that's brutal
>poo1 player complaining poo2 is too hardtale as old as time
>getting upset at patch notes before they even dropped
Why do (YOU) care whats nerfed in a single player game.. you are playing for fun right?
poo 1 fags finding imaginary things to get mad about poo 2
>>567600818>confusing hard with tedious and boringmany such cases
>poo 1This is the most raped thing you could say. You're literally parroting your rapist.
>>567601069sometimes they nerf fun skills to the point of being unusable
>>567601286>poo 1 fags think about being raped when poo 2 CHADS say the phraseKEEEK
jrv raped you btw
>>567601141>coping because the word "hard" hurts his egoSad!
poo1 sucks but ruthless redeems it
>>567601473DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEEMDO NOT REDEEM THE RUTHLESS
>>567601403>rollslop = hard>still confused and copingmany more such casesAlso, idk where you got the idea that poo1 is hard btw, i never said that, its just more fun to play.
Honestly just calling PoE "Poo" would be funnier, but you guys have zero sense of humor. Poo 2 rolls off the tongue and is fun to say. Poowun has no flow to it.
>>567601571>he's spamming rolls and still dying to easy bossespoo1 players refuse to stop embarrassing themselves kek
So does this shit increase bleed chance or not?
>>567601713Yes (you can see if you alt click incisiion)
>>567601713>we're simplifying DoT's>adds some retarded mechanic that everyone ignoresAt least it's not as tubby as flammability.
>>567601713Each stack of incision causes 10% chance to be bled on hit. So at 10 stacks you have 100% chance for your next hit to bleed
>>567601703>poo2 is le bad
>>567601817isn't it the same exact thing as flammability
>>567601571>its just more fun to play.Factual statement. A new generation of PoE players might prefer the second game, but we all know that's because of Diablo brains.
Can I WASD with a shotgun or grenade launcher in poe 1? no well fuck you then
>>567601848Any reason to prefer this to bleed III?
>>567602016it's not a mandatory stat, but I guess in theory, yes.
>>567602553No idea, ive never played bleed, i just know how to google things
>can't move while attacking>can't attack and move on completely different axiispoo2 gameplay clears poo1 and it's not even close. you only think otherwise because you're addicted to blinking and charging/slamming everywhere at 100mph
>>567602681Your blade vortex sis? Your rf?
>>567601572twopoopers largely come from D4 and WoW, so please be patient with them.
>still fucking 9 days awayThe wait is fucking killing me bros, I guess I will try to 40/40 Mirage until then. Is kinetic fusillage still the most brainless build or did something else pop up in the meantime?
>>567602962minion pact bv
>>567602681poo2's move-while-attack is actually counterintuitively bad for the fact that you get slowed by 80% during that attack, so instead of poe 1 and its delightful movement skills and microsecond-long attack animations due to your hyperscaled cast or attack speed, you basically play poe 2 combat at -80% speed because you're always attacking or casting and getting gaped by that movement penalty. it's why builds that either passively kill things, move forward when you use an attack, or use rhoa mount are the only relevant builds for serious endgame farmers in poo2.
>>567603004>minion pact bvThis is the answer. If you're curious about a build, check out my char: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/Kraxiloth-7346/KraxilothIf you need a way to earn currency, just do Nightmare Maps with zero mods using Scarab of the Dextral and Sinistral. Easy 30+ div per hour. Godspeed!
>>567603184>being able to move at full speed while attacking>intuitivepoe2 should have a default accuracy penalty for attacking while moving, currently player accuracy may as well not be a stat,prove me wrong, you can't etc
>>567602880i like to actually play my game not AFK in glorified cookie clicker>>567603184>it's hyper fast so it's goodsee above. i like actually playing the game i boot up
>>567603004>>567603205ok, will check it out
>>567603205wait, those 2 scarabs actually work together? I guess Mark is more retarded than i give him credit for
>>567602553I think you're meant to use two skills, one with Incision and Bleed IV, one with Bleed III. just like the point of flammability is to use one skill that applies smaller hits and/or burning ground to get 100% ignite chance then use something like Perfect Strike.
>wait you can combine those 2 rare scarabs in order to run a scoured mapretard
>>567603635Yeah, they work. Because of that you can run the cheapest Nightmare Maps in town and just sell the boss drops. You average about 2/3 of a Div per run. At least when I still played, not sure if inflation has cucked the economy too hard.
are there any good poe2 youtube channels or are they all slop
>>567604057All good PoE1 channels make good PoE2 content.
>>567604057no>>567604151all 0 of them
>>567604057https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqoUPdtf9s
>>567604057Prada is pretty good for builds and GuyThatDies for campaign trooning. Besides that, it's just shills making the most milquetoast content.
>play hc>get character to 90+>t15 maps going well>try for a gigajuiced t16(t17)>die to an 8+ stack essence mobthis has happened to me at least 4 times this league
please.. stop the madness
>>567604176Thank you for agreeing with me
>>567603384It's fast which makes it smooth which makes it feel good to play. What you enjoy is being kicked in the balls and told you're a stupid little sissy faggot, which is why you like playing poo2, which you play the wrong way anyway because you think there aren't hyper fast endgame farmers in it. there are and that's what all the actual twopoopers play except for you because you're a coping, seething low IQ masochist.
>>567604057crimsoncasts small number of videos are pretty good
>>567604057Gl1tch3d is really underrated, i dont think most ppl will enjoy his topics, but when he doesnt do build videos he's very good
They need to do something about the way uniques can have varying level requirements due to the attached skill. What the fuck good does a lvl 79 req lifesprig do me?
>>567604360>all this projecting over being made fun of for enjoying cookie clickerlike i said i enjoy actually playing my game. you would click an auto button as if this were a gacha if the game gave you the option to do it and autofarm a mageblood. you have no soul. no whimsy. no human element inside of you. you're a creature i only tolerate interacting with to feel superior because you're that easy to belittle
>>567604360bodied that freak
>>567603904>>567603635even with no mods nightmare map bosses can be a pain to run unless you're pretty invested in your build already, and the maps are not cheap themselves. personally I recommend something easier like black barya and coin farming (spam white t16s, run to the mirage and check for either a coin or rust wish, if none leave map, otherwise run the mirage and get the item) chances of barya (3 divs at the time I was playing) are about 7% with another 1% for him to show up outside the mirage randomly, chances for coin (0.5 divs) are probably similar, but it's super fast and costs like 3c per map to run, or if you don't mind picking up 70 items per map, depending on the price of cloister scarabs you can do stacked deck farming + ritual with 5x of those. I was making 1.5 to 2 divs per map doing cloister farming with rituals, spamming blood vessels on every ritual. the stackies would net you about 0.8 divs per map and between 5-7 (you get 1-3 in the mirage too) blood filled vessels would be another 0.5 to 1 div depending slightly on how many creatures you trapped in them.
>>567604634They just need to make it so that you can craft/downgrade the level of uniques and everything would be fine.
>>567604634pretty sure that stuff is just to fill out the drop poola low-level unique martial weapon is almost always just as useless.
>>567604730What you enjoy is pretending you're hard by playing what you falsely believe to be a slow, plodding, "difficult" game. You are wrong and retarded on all counts.
>>567604304>stacked essence monsters as in poe1 so in poe2
>>567604634Don't forget boss uniques having set ilvl from the set zone lvl and not being able to reach lvl20 on their implicit
>>567604859nobody said anything about player skill or game difficulty. you're self-reporting, anon. try not to project so much; it reveals more than you think.
>>567604907So basically you're seething and dilating because someone objectively destroyed your admittedly subjective opinion.
>>567604360>its fast and smooth which reduces the amount of decisions I have to make while playing which means I can devote my attention to watching Netflixnothing wrong with it, but not every game has to be like that
>>567604878martial weapons have their own issues that need to be addressed but goddamn this thing helped me zoom through the entire campaign whenever i died in hc
>>567605064>not every game has to be like thatIn fact very few games are like that, but this game franchise and the arpg genre are, so you need to fuck off and stop complaining about other people's niche that wasn't created for you.
>>567605054>buzzword saladsilly 2016 tourist, you don't fit in
>>567600818the really funny thing is that 99% of the people complaining about difficulty in these threads are softcore players.
>shitposting troon is a /leftypol/tard who complains about mean buzzwords when it gets called out for being wrong and gaydidn't they already do this episode a hundred times before.
>>567605217D1 and to a large extent D2 weren't like that at all and ggg have been very clear what their influences are. the vast majority of gaming companies avoid any kind of difficulty like the actual plague, and are very much going for basic stimulation (like speed) and removing any friction because they're scared of teenaged gamers screeching and shooting up a school. so ggg's attitude is refreshing and imho should be protected.I'm not >>567604907 btw
I think poo1 is harder than poo2. Poo1 floods the game with a fuckton of monsters so there are way too many moments where it feels like you randomly died for no reason at all. Poo2 feels way more honest in that regard so hc in poo2 feels overall more enjoyable.
>>567605474>random death>difficultyjust play poe2 and roll a d6 every hour.if you roll a 1 delete your character. great design.
>>567605474It's the other way around, POE2 is harder because there are a lot of must-dodge abilities, while your character has less mobility, and it takes just one 1mm misstep on a random citadel boss or arbiter.All the "died randomly for no reason" are actually pretty explainable and often avoidable once you understand the game well enough, but it takes some trial and error to take stock of all dangerous things.
>>567605217>ARPGs are netflix gamesthe only way you could possibly think this is if you started playing ARPGs very recently
I heard they are adding Chayula fight in poe2How hard will the fight be and which mechanic would have access to the fight? Or will he be an Arbiter-like global boss?I rememeber the cyclone attack from poe1, I hope it comes there
>start playing d2>cant run cause out of staminashit game tbqfhf
>>567605585whenever I come back to a league I am struck immediately by how much more getting rusty gets me killed in poe2. only other genre where not playing for a while feels like as much of a factor is RTS. it's a good thing.
>>567605574planning around big hits and playing around avoidable deaths is part of the appeal of hc, yes.If you die it's almost always avoidable.
>>567605704>I heard they are adding Chayula fight in poe2You heard wrong, he's gonna be a friendly NPC most likely.>How hard will the fight be and which mechanic would have access to the fight? Wild guess but to talk to him/awaken him you'll probably have to finish the entire Breach questline and kill It that Was Esh/Tul then Xesht.I think there's genuinely 0 chance they added him as a boss but it would be cool if I'm wrong.
>>567605768>hmm will i fix the issue with my gearing choices like you're supposed to do in every game in this genre (stamina potion)>or will i stay retarded and complain online
>>567605813>hcYou mean logoutcore? People literally pausing and logging out like pussies? At that point you might as well just play softcore.
>>567605813the person i replied to said poe1 was harder because you could die randomly.now you're saying it's about planning for big hits and death being avoidable which is the fucking opposite lol
>>567605439>D2 weren't like that at allD2 defined the genre and it absolutely was like that. You were probably a small child who couldn't even beat act 1 when it came out so you don't know what the online community and endgame play at large was actually like, but the endgame for every non-utility character was teleporting around and clearing screens, either with a sorc or an enigma. Nobody has actively played D1 since 1997 so nobody cares what it was like. >ggg's influences>ggg's attitude>difficulty and frictionMuch like your childhood with D2, I don't think you've gotten very far into PoE 2, because it is neither difficult nor slow in the endgame. People are still warping around with shit like blink temporalis still in the game, skill speed stacked twisters, aoe stacked whirling assaulters, CoC comet builds, herald of ice sparkers shattering multi screens, rhoa mounted bowcucks, etc. did you even snake your temple this league?
>>567605850>use a consumbale to moveshit design bruh, why can't i zoom around at 100 miles per hour one shotting everything like every arpg
>>567605850if stamina or stamina potions were in poe2 all the streamers would be constantly bitching about them.
>>567605641I've been playing them for longer than you've been alive, zooms, and they've always been about the loot and build making, not about the gameplay. The entire point of diablo-likes always been to make the gameplay as trivial as possible so you could kill as fast and efficiently as possible and find more and more loot.
>>567605923>D2 defined the genre and it absolutely was like thatpoe2 isn't like that in endgame eitehr lol it gets pretty zoomybecause you're not arguing in good faith you don't care that d2 was slow at the start just like poe2. you complain about only the annoying aspect of the game that annoys you and remember only the validating aspect of the game that validated you. I'm sure you're going to play poe2 anyway so this is just a waste of your time but w/e
>>567605923Blink temporalis is significantly slower than your average 0 investment-into-speed frostblink of wintry blast. None of the other builds you mentioned are particularly fast outside of rhoa. You didn't even mention the fast builds we had during 0.3 so I can only assume you are larping. Also people were not enigger teleporting everywhere when D2 first came out lol
>>567606002it's funny though, sprinting in PoE2 is essentially the same, you just don't need to refill it but to go fast you HAVE to keep pressing it. the difference is that in Diablo 2 you only need stamina potions like the first two acts, it's not an issue later in the game
Entering POEological dead zone. Adding report to databank.
>>567606204>sprinting in PoE2 is essentially the samethat's exactly my point lmao: people complain about it constantly. I'm saying d2 isn't held up to an equivalent standard of criticism because most of the people whining about poe in these threads are 4chan analytics blizzard shills. >you only need stamina potions like the first two actsoh well people never complain about poe2 for things in early game xD
are there any skills that drain hp like RF in poe2?
>>567606407yes
>>567606448what's the skill?
I think its cool of GGG to provide two different games for different kinds of players :) Obviously poe 2 is much better than the first, but at least those who like that kind of thing have something to play too.
>>567606495savage fury
>>567606497i agree. i respect ggg for having such a large, solid, consistent playerbase in poe1 and still taking the risk of completely losing them by developing poe2 in a very different and more controlled way. no AAA dev could ever dream of doing something like that and succeeding
>>567606497stop making me angry
>>567606101Do you just play act 1 over and over or something? I'm arguing from a position of an endgamer, which you've apparently never experienced because you don't seem to know basic things about this or any other arpg.
d2 has seriously got to be the biggest "I will pretend I played this" game ever next to planescape. the things I see people say about it so confidently are... interesting
>summr starting instantly with 30°C / high 60s°F for weeks on endCome the fuck on man
>>567582280It's been almost 2 yrs>>567582527Just because its a beta doesn't mean its excused from criticism. Beta in the traditional sense used to be feature complete software releases with needed bug testing. Current ea practices are a complete scam
>>567606497It's "better" as a standalone game, and way worse as a sequel to PoE.
>>567606598>no AAA dev could ever dream of doing something like thatthey probably could. ggg made the arguments for poe2 based on elden ring being mega-successful. big corporations are just not set up to make creative decisions, the incentive is always to copy something proven.
>>567583304Yes everything including build making, the passive tree, itemization, crafting etc. Adding a bunch of old recycled content from poe1 doesn't make poe2 a new and interesting game in its own right
>>567606735I only played it in 2015 after poe1 and what blew my mind was how shit the potion system is. like, ggg
>>567606779>tfw it's still 15°C here
>>567606847i mean technically they could, but realistically something like that could never happen today due to ballooning AAA costs and the need for publisher/funding oversight. like you said, creative decisions (and risk) are tossed in favor of copying tried and true formulas. we can all have our complaints about poe in whichever ways we please, but GGG does and has the capability to do things very few devs have. and they will clearly flex that and just try shit. people are very underappreciative of this imo
>>567606735have you considered that you're projecting, which is why you, from a position of no first hand experience, think everyone else is always wrong when they talk about it.
>>567606831fubgun tried warrior with angormus coaching him last night. the effect was to immediately out him as a complete shitter.
Sex with Servi
>>567606779>high 60s°Fthat's perfect temps, though 30c is 86f which i agree is pretty soggy, but in the states we all have central air so it's no big deal.
>>567607030>fubgunsomeone post the merveil cave cliplmao
>>567587032Waiting out a dozen doors, loading screens and frozen screen animations with the little magical floaty fag animation the trial master does every fucking trial is enough to make me vomit. Same with jumping down busses and having to stomach crawling off the floor etc etc. This game is riddled with normienigger action sequence slop
>>567607023i've never considered that, no, because I still own my d2 battle chest and play it multiple times per year every single year for almost 3 decades now
>>567606497they're both the same game for the same kind of player. the difference is that slogshitters don't play poe 1 because "it's too fast for my slow brain" and don't make it to endgame in poe 2 either so they think it's a different game.
>>567606831leftover whining from 0.1 (even though mace was stronk then, too). armor was made godlike with armor to ele/chaos nodes + conversion and nobody says a thing about it. my melee bear in 0.4 was invincible
>memory tears were a beta test for poe2>astrolabes were a beta test for poe2>new breach and the tree were a beta test for poe2makes you wonder what other poe1 mechanics were a beta test for poe2 that they ended up rejectingidols obviously memory strands?
>>567607105asala needs to take wardrobe tips from servi.
>>567607270astrolabes are literally just a reskin of the ancient elder/shaper influence system from before PoE 2 was even conceptualized.
>>567587032>Trial of chaosmost of the complaining about that is you don't really get a chance to practice against the bosses until endgame where they are all a pushover because of gear scaling.
>>567607354visuals are the only thing they have in common. its the opposite of a reskin
>>567607270Idols were the best idea and they scrapped that one?
>>567607572apart from the atlas visuals providing you a checklist of maps to run, there is zero actual gameplay difference between running an astrogaped map and a normal map. the only actual addition is the loot room at the end of the checklist.
>>567607270>memory tearsshould have been in poe1 years before and just called "quests" like they will be in 0.5.
Can't wait for the new poe2 league so i can spend 8 hours playing a terrible game in the hopes it gets good at level 70>>567583259>the game is good but I hate that I can't just one shot shit mobs, the combat requires too much inputsThis is the correct take, it's tiresome. It's like that YIIK game, where everything is some little mini game you've got to push some shit to deal damage. PoE1 got it right where the white mobs are a gimmie and bosses you pay attention, gave the game a good tempo.
>>567607674have you actually played the endgame in 3.28? astrolabes make a mechanic significantly more rewarding to the point where for many mechanics, the most efficient way to run them is to first clear the edges of the astrolabe. for example for breach you use a separate atlas tree which doesnt have synthesised stability and which has breach blocked, resulting in a single breach spawn. you run a map with no scarabs, open the breach, clear it to complete the shaped region objective and leave. do that for like 3 maps and then run the actual map with rolled maps and bloodlines + risk scarabs. its cancer to do, very poe2 coded
>>567606976I want that>>567607117>central airYeah about that we europoors are FUCKEDI hate gaming in summerFuck sake i was looking forward to poe2
>>567607982the combat in this game reminds me of They Are Billions
just noticed the mirage challenge set when used on women characters, they've naked breasts, they do jiggle when shooting arrows
do i really need to go grind 36 challenges in a dead league now
>>567608901Why would you do that? Ive played poe for 12 years and never finished any challenges
>>567607270Heist. Its when they introduced the new UI with the npc portrait.
>>567606339>most of the people whining about poe in these threads are 4chan analytics blizzard shills.Are these analytics blizzard shills in the room with us right now?
>everyone arguing back and forth about what build is the best to league start with>what will get nerfed>what will get buffedlet me spare you the trouble, all the best builds that you've league started in 0.4 will still be the best builds to start with in 0.5stop this shit, it's cringe
>>567609938>all the best builds that you've league started in 0.4 will still be the best builds to start with in 0.5what if they get nerfed though
>>567608061astrolabes "rewards" are marginal and RNG. i did 36 challenges including the one where you have to run like 90 astrolabed maps and I didn't notice a difference in profit of any of my atlas strats for those types of 'labes at all. i'm not going to autistically minmax astrogapes by creating several different fatlas trees and running them in a specific cascading order, and none of that is gameplay changing anyway it's just a layer of "potential" juice with RNG for the spreadsheet 'tismos.
ALL CLASSES BUFFED!
>>567608940>never finished any challengesyou've never beat act 5? you've never interacted with any new league mechanics?
>>567610293I mean ive accidently completed them but ive never paid attention to them or gone out of my way to complete them. What i meant was 36/40 or 40/40 challenges
>>567610149>running half your maps unjuiced on a shit layout isnt gameplay changingvery wise, challengetourist-sama
>>567610354man you must feel very silly for not having all the cool FREE mtx that they give away for these basic challenges. do you just not like playing the game or something?
>>567610116they won't cuz ggg said they will not do a lot of balancingexpect only the extreme outliers in end game to be gutted cuz niGGGers are incapable of toning down something, they just straight up kill iteverything else will be exactly the same, that's why I think this league will have the lowest retention
>>567610447>ggg said they will not do a lot of balancingevery time they say that they do a ton of balancing and nerfs
>>567610364god I had repressed the memory already and completely forgot they made you run a bunch of different shitty maps. if there wasn't a "challenge" to do them I wouldn't have used assholegapes at all. what a shitty mechanic.
>>567610397Not him but I have the same relationship to challenges. I just kind of stopped using mtx over the years.
>VAAL CIVILIZATION WAS INSANELY SMART AND DEVELOPED>every building is a maze>literally anyone of "vaal blood" can activate time machine>human sacrifice>literally build towns on swampsWho writes this shit?
ALL BUILDS BUFFERED
i do feel vindicated when i dislike something and see it ported over to poe2 a few months laternow that i think about it, mirage will most likely end up in poe2 as well with its worthless chests and varashtas long ass animations for spawning in and opening the mirage
Doing a ssfhc run what do I roll? (Not playing past campaign)No druid already tested out all those builds
>>567611049>>literally build towns on swampsconquering nature to build a thriving empire is a sign of an intelligent and developed civilization thobeet
>>567611060Genuinly what is with GGG's obession about making us CLICK pointless shit in league mechanics
>>567611127Permafrost + frag rounds witchhunter
>>567611049they literally drained entire swamps to build the towns, not their fault the swamp came back after
>>567611220I refuse to crossbowcuck
How do i search for one handed weapons with highest phys damage on poe2 trade site? All i get is DPS shit, i want to find which one handed is best for new huntress ascendancy
>>567611465Click on the damage range, not on dps
>>567611465You click the 'physical damage' and it will sort by highest physical
>>567611579>>567611595I set 10 div max to filter out higher end stuff and for some reason this spear is above mjolnir which obviously has more damage.Dunno what i am doing wrong
>>567611898The spear with quality will be higher than the mjollnir
>>567611049They're Aztecs, you're shit talking Aztecs pal. The next time you want to shit talk Aztecs, just think that those guys built your ford f150 buddy
>>567611049>every building is a mazeto be fair, ancient high cultures were prone to get lost in the maze meta of the times
>>567611049aztec stuff is kino they were bad shit crazy irl so if they got anything like a time machine it would be powered with human sacrifice because thats all those crazy bastards did 24/7
it was the mayans you absolute animals, the mayans died to the floods their civilization was already decimated when the spaniards arrived
same shit
>le brown people are all the sameTired of ignorant rightoids thinking they're superior in any way to others
the karuis did nothing wrong
>>567612735bro how am I gonna feel superior if I don't base my identity on something out of my control? My actual accomplishments? lmao
>YOU BIGOT>YOU SHOULD KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN >THIS TRIBE OF BROWN SAVAGES THAT SACRIFICED HUMANS TO PLEASE GODS >AND >THAT OTHER TRIBE OF BROWN SAVAGES THAT SACRIFICED HUMANS TO PLEASE GODS.
>>567612735Haha, yea, I understand where you're coming from lil buddy. I'd be mad too if a superior civilization cared so little about me and mine that they confused us with every other brown civilization within 1000 miles (or years)
not beating the "poo 2 players are brown savages" allegation
>>567612819tavukai quite literally did something wrong and even his own god admonished him >This is not de way
if there isnt 160 affixes on gear atm and ggg is adding 160 runes doesnt that mean new affixes are being added for the rune sockets that are new compared to base gear affixes? we know of the unique gear affixes rune socket and alloys that make chronmancy affix rolling but what im saying is does that mean new affixes are added to base gear also or is it just the sockets section?
>>567612480The Mayans died because of droughts, retard. Literally the exact opposite of a flood.
The PoE1 10000 hour addicts have loudly spammed from early access release to convince GGG that this game should work exactly the same with cookie clicker gameplay. I really hope they stick to their vision and not make the game completely devolve into that.
>>567613207The vision died the moment they let players roll through monsters, sorry.
>>567613207raped
Why did the POE2 universe settle on everything being Aztec themed? Seems like GGG pigeonholed themselves.
>>567613089still, ggg is referencing the mayans in this stupid game, not the aztecs
>pretending to be cookie clicker schizo for thread engagementlol
>>567613380its a reddit comment lil pup
>>567613207Vision has never changed, many people simply didn't understand it from the start. High-cost endgame builds are designed to be fast and powerful. Slow combat is only for story and early endgame. Poe 1 used to be the same way until people completely solved the game.
>>567613496jonathan has said this every goddamn time he is asked as well he just says he wants it to take a bit longer in poe2 to reach this point
I still haven't solved the game
>>567596536t. poe2ourist hereI was onboarded during third edict by fubgun and played LA deadeyeam I about to be filtered by POINT 5?????
honestly ice shot deadeye is so much fun to play than twisters.just right click screen explodes, no gay combo required, no spinning in places getting ass raped by jumping gorillas, no using ice tipped + barrage to do relevant damagesimple and effective and the single target is sooooo much better and simple to set up
0.5 hype status?
>>567613289>they let people roll through monsterswtf, is this true? so shitty..at least I still have ruthless
>>567613721no hype, try again for 3.29 in ~2-3 months
>>567613670You'll be fine. The endgame is more than likely going to be more difficult with all the new atlas strats though.
>>567613846>3.29 in ~2-3 monthsAnon....
>>567613807the whole concept for WASD and casting while moving and a bunch of other shit they added (restricted movement skills, easy CC mechanics) was built with players needing to position carefully in mind.now that we don't, the game feels needlessly slow and restrictive in terms of movement skills.imo they should've kept rolling like it was in early 0.1 but given every class a solid movement skill that doesn't feel shit to use.Now we're stuck in the limbo between rollslop and "POE1 but totally not POE1 and twisted into whatever as long as it's not exactly POE1"
>voices>mageblood>that new olroth legacy rune>meta crafting runesBro, 0.5 is gonna be wild for endgame minmaxing, plus they nerf the temple shit so prices will be normal
>>567614091>magabloodit's going to be the saddest thing in the world
>>567613670no if this isnt bait, that faggots post you replied to is bait, poe2s base systems are made for new players, the rune sockets for example are itemized version of a thing called a crafting bench in poe1 which makes it easier for new players to fix their gear, 160 runes is for depth of crafting with this system for players that go into endgame. you are going to copy a streamer anyway so i wouldnt worry about things you will learn as you go along and eventually make your own build
>>567613207poe2 has already surpassed poe1 in that regard with every endgame build having 1 single button to pressin 0.5 they are turning atlas progression into an incremental game where you get enough points to click every nodethe vision died a long time ago
>>567614164good.
>>567614091>prices will be normal
This is what the game will devolve into if you let POO1 slot machinists influence the discource
>>567614189>he's a faggot who is wrong and posted bait>proceeds to agree with the original postSome of you guys are inexplicably stupid.
>>567614292T r v k e
>>567614091>0.5 is gonna be wild for endgame minmaxingtheres nothing to minmax a character forin 0.4 you could already easily make a character that can carry a 6 man party in a temple with 1000%+ effectiveness, now thats gone and the power creep is even worse
Poe2 is so fucking abysmally bad brosIf i had known poe1 beta was the best the game was ever going to be i would’ve played more of it but i was so fucking busy with uni at the time(and it was mostly useless anyway since i’ve made most of my money gambling)
>>567614292Kino plus SOVLWe're slowly getting there.
>>567614303no he meant the gameplay as poe1 is a cookie clicker 1 shot the screen from act 1 that was his response it has nothing to do with what i said >>567614381>easily well when you have a mechanic that shits out 10k divs per run i would presume getting gear is pretty easy
>>567614292Kino and requires an insane amount of investmentIt’s cool that a game allows that if you put the effort in
If I like a single click of an ability chaining for aoe, very visible and enjoyable, and a different click for single target, what would suit me best?Just a direction of what would be usable that I can start researching.
>>567614517Ice shot and Snipe
>>567614292at least then we'd get a ruthless mode without all the whining sissies
starting to enjoy the game now, it's alright, you just have to make peace with mapping being slower, the game isn't bad because it isn't filled with terrible content like blight and ultimatum yet, but eventually it'll have those and then the game will be way too slow and they'll have to change something
>>567613436i don't paste every comment from here into google to see if it's from reddit. if you want to post obvious reddit comments they need to be at least two long paragraphs full of passive aggression and stepping around egg shells.
>>567614687All these newfags complaining about PoE 2 speed are Post legion tourists. They werent here when the game launched, PoE 1 was an actual game once upon a time and not simply a cookie clicker
>THE HECKING TEMPLE RUINED THE HECKING ECONOMYenjoy uniques actually costing money, retards
>>567614598I forgot, you can freeze bosses right?
>>567613496>Slow combat is only for story and early endgame.and retarded shitters who can't afford a real build. anyone saying something similar to "i like the intentionally slow gameplay that makes you think" is outing themselves as a shitter.
>>567614687>you just have to make peace with mapping being slowernot really, it's just that speed isn't as accessible as "use shield charge with momentum and frostblink", you have to build for it.look into stuff like speed wyvern, self-chill, cocaine bear, twister builds that move with whirling slash etc, and of course Temporalis when you have mirrors. there's a lot of ultrafast builds and they are totally competitive with poe1 speeds if not faster, they just have a higher barrier of entry and you have to work to speed up your char.
>>567614753What changed with Legion
>>567614873Nothing, people were zooming before maps were even a thing. Look up some spark gameplay from ten years ago.>>567614830Yes.
>>567614292>you can't enjoy the last month of a league after putting all your currency into one build
>>567614861those faster builds still feel like shit, at least the ones i triedif you spam blink with temporalis you get fucking heavy stunned because it randomly makes you start sprinting + the blink has a fixed distance and a cast time when you arrive
>>567614687i play poe1 and d2 and i love poe2 its like the two of them merged with better graphics
>>567615116goy im crine.....
>>567615116>those faster builds still feel like shit, at least the ones i triedDepends what you play, those self-chill wolves are pretty easy on inputs.>if you spam blink with temporalis you get fucking heavy stunned because it randomly makes you start sprinting + the blink has a fixed distance and a cast time when you arrivePeople use a script for this. I've kinda trained myself to let go off the button very early and cast to break the sprint, but it's a legitimate issue that should be addressed.This doesn't really happen when you play a high-end oracle/bloodmage though, there won't be anything to heavystun you.
>>567614091voices is anti-hype because it's a forced buy for every buildI don't think PoE has ever had something like that
>>567615690you can say that about voices in poe1
>>567615829Retard
>>567615829what?
>>567615886>>567615930what are you confused by? both give you power both have similar rolls for multiple jewel slots, the only difference is passive skills, ggg have obviously tested this for poe2 and deemed passive skills not needed, it will be a late endgame thing mark himself said lucky or rich to get it so its going to be rare and expensive probably in the same range of voices prices in poe1 so to say its a forced buy for every build is retarded most people wont even get the currency or get lucky to get this for their builds
>>567616182I agree with that other guy, you are retarded or don't know what PoE1 Voices is
>>567616182poe1 voices is not an unconditional power increase
>>567614813leagues that shit out rare uniques are good because it makes them cost less for everyone. leagues that shit out raw currency are bad because it makes everything cost more for anyone not autistically minmaxing that one kind of content, which is 95% of the playerbase.
Almost no build would say no to a 1 passive voices on poo1
>>567616383>>567616401i stand by what i said you are both retards who cant read
>>567616469You're compare a jewel that costs a mirror to something that gives a free jewel(one of the best scalers of damage in PoE 2 right now) at its lowest tier. Please, stop.
>>5676165041p voices is not an auto include in poe1, its a niche item that doesnt automatically outperform rare larges clusters even the min roll of voices is an auto include in poe2 because its a free jewel socket>>567616469wrong
>>567616621comparing*
>>567616701>1p voices is not an auto include in poe1, its a niche item that doesnt automatically outperform rare larges clusters
>>567616701Almost no buildTheres extreeeemly few exceptions
>>5676164691 passive voices are several mirrors each, I doubt 2 socket voices in PoE2 are going to be as rare as 1 passive voices
>>567616927My guess is 2 passive voices in poe 2 will be several hundred divs, similar cost to a rakiatas flow4 passive voices easily several mirrors
>>567617036Rakiata's was only that expensive because of the Temple. It wasn't nearly that expensive in 0.3 and it's not nearly as rare as even a 3 jewel voices.
>>567617118How the f do you know the rarity of voices? It certainly wont be anywhere near as common as in poe 1
What is a starter I can transition (ywnbaw) into a sim farmer that will also be decent at expedition?
>>567616780>>567616824voices is only good in poe1 if you are stacking adorned jewels or a specific cluster notable refracting fog lets you make really good 12p and 8p large clusters that are better than voices on most builds
>>567587692This is all true. But they should still REMOVE both the trails and replace it with a real challange. Not some league mechanic minigame bullshit they have now.
>>567617235Retard
I want to play a spellcaster (elemental) but then I open the skill gem list and I see that every spell is boring dogshit. Why GGG? Why must I plant max?
>>567617251>>567617508This is too funny unironicallyYou really have no idea how good 1 passive voices are in poe 1, and just assume because you rarely see it in builds it must be because its only used in adorned builds
>>567617645including an image of that troglodyte is really giving the game away
You can't roll through breakables
>>567617645You were wrong about the rarity of Rakiata's and I'm in agreement with you that 3 jewel Voices is going to be super expensive. You just want to argue and of course, you're an annoying Trifaggot. It makes complete sense now.
>>567617645He's not wrong that the majority of 1p voices usecases are adorned and cluser jewel notable stacking though.That's literally the vast majority of builds.Yes, there are enough unique jewels now that it would make sense to use 1p voices on a build that doesn't use adorned/cluster jewel passive stacking. But it would be a fucking questionable investment.Post 1 pob that doesn't use adorned or notable cluster jewel stacking through rare jewels or megalos, but has 1p voices.
>>567617645feel free to prove me wronglink a character that doesnt use medium clusters or adorned and that would be improved with a 1p voicesspoiler: you cant
>>567614292People will actually pretend this is fun for more than 1 map.
Bro is going to go on the hunt of his life for some ssf player that lucked into a 1p voices just to slot in some random jewels because they can and call it a meta build
i wanna play poo2 ssf already.... ggg so slow
>>567614292this is what adhd autists want, fast dopamine in form of screenwide explosions
>>567617854https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/spoonpoe-7019/DoooooGoSpoon?i=3&search=items%3DVoices%26sort%3Ddps
People will actually pretend this is fun for more than 1 map.
>>567618275more fun than poe1 imo
>>567618275was this a sheepfarmer stream?
I want an option to turn every act in campaign into act 1.No, not because it's short or has better gameplay or anything. Act 1 is superior to the other acts because it's dark. When you play an ARPG in a dark area, you, the player, lighten everything up with your skills. It's pretty.
>>567618275Wow 1damage per minute
>>567618275Now that is some combat full of meaning.
>>567616182>most people wont even get the currency or get lucky to get this for their buildsfor a max sock voices, sure, but even a low roll minimum voices is now a mandatory buy on every build because it's literally just a free jewel socket for likely not much currency.
>>567618202would be better with 2 8p large clusters instead of 1p voices + putting a jewel in a cluster socket good effort though
>>567618202>>567617787This is precisely what I meant by questionable investment. He dumped oodles of money into that 1p (or dropped it) and that build can't do almost any serious valdo. Probably has 3 digit deaths regardless of the investment.
>>567618275that looks 1000x more fun than mindlessly zoom-zooming around and everything melting
I would rather play the same end game with swords and axes than play a different end game with the same skills.
>>567618568>t.gamerdad
>>567618275surely nobody is actually this shit at videogames and then comes here to complain about the game
>>567618674This is what Poo 2 players want. Why would they complain about this genre-revolutionizing gameplay?
>>567618462not really megalomaniacs for example are great, timeless jewels etc it just depends on what you need >>567618521>>567618536you said show it and i did cope and sneed fellow redditors
>>567618275Cinema
H A R D
>>567618747what the fuck are you even saying, retarded bot. I'm saying whoever is playing in that webm could have killed the boss in 5 seconds if he knew how to play bear (not hard)
>>567618747are those players in the room with you right now, or are you just a butthurt poo 1 player who feels insecure about people hating his cookie clicker game?
6 more poopies until patch notes
>>567618825Paid shill
>>567618854Killing bosses in five seconds is bad for the game though. He's playing PoE 2 how the devs envisioned. Why does that upset you so much?
L M A O
I'm gonna play path of diablo 2 while I wait for poop2 0.5What am I in for? Will I like it?
>>567618883Your hat made me hungry
>>567618760>you said show it and i didPrecisely, to make a point, anticipating that you would post a weak pob (for the investment), and I made that point. My contribution to the discussion has been made and is informative.
>>567619014looks like one day someone will find him hanged somewhere
>>567619014Where's his pastor's partner?
I once killed that time ascendancy boss in about 45 minutes with my own build.That felt like an achievement in my gaming history. No other rpg has me felt that weight before.
>>567618875So you don't want difficult bosses and slowed-down gameplay? Make up your mind, retard.
>>567619014He looks like someone who'll get cancelled one day for inappropriate behaviour with minors
>>567619014I've literally never seen him actually play PoEHe's always in front of the camera
>>567619137>1.1 billion is weak >one point one billion
>>567619192you are a mentally ill manchild that can only think in extremes. nobody gives a shit about what you think, retard.
if i want to roll, i play rolling games (soulsborne)if i want to farm, i play farming games (d2/poe1)if i want to vomit, i play bad games (poe2)
>>567618883Not for big boys>>567576994
How tanky is fire bear? I just want to be a bear and walk around while everything around me burns.
>>567619393 Friendly reminder that Mark said the average 2dad takes over a minute on each boss which lines up with the gameplay that was posted. Seethe, sweetie. They are probably having more fun with the game than you.
>>567619351It's just a jerkoff pob that hasn't gained any real power after it hit 50m and can't handle the hardest content in the game despite having an investment level proportional to builds that can.
are we going trade or ssfbtw in the path of exile 2 0.5 return of the ancients league
>>567619613It's a good league for trade because there'll be very coveted things to farm spread across different content.Finding some autismo specific unique to smelt with runes and then do that multiple times to account for multiple attempts might be sneedy.Imo it's a good trade league, but SSF has not gotten worse.
>>567619613Softcore trade baybay!!!
>>567618275Hell yeah brother
>ggg employees are now samefaggingit's going to be complete nigger dogshit isn't it
>>5676195971.1 billion and proved wrong >>567619613SSF until i reach a ceiling in crafting then grinding currency for mirror gear
>>567619172Zarokh is one of the coolest bosses in the gameFacing him blind in 0.1 with the soundtrack firing on all cylinders and then they start weaving the lab motif in, it was kino
>>567620034>>567620034>>567620034next map
>>567619872>1.1 billion and proved wronghttps://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/miragehc/character/Glukrired-6110/BEERRCRY?i=0&search=items%3DHowlcrack%26sort%3DdpsOk so this build is objectively stronger since it has 2b, right?You're stupid even for a spammer of random anime reaction image that doesn't even match the tone of your post or anything in the discussion. That's basically troon behaviour.
>>567619351its a clown character that gets bricked by a ton of map mods, cant click altars and dies constantlyyou can tell its not a serious character because he has that damage against marked enemy wheel instead of es on killthe only point of the character is to have big number and flaunt wealth, at least that seems to be working
>>567619541Very tanky especially if you are smith of kitava
>>567619613Trade on launch and SSF when it's bored me.
>>567618760>it just depends on what you needand what every build will "need" is more FREE jewel sockets.
>>567611049>every building is a mazeYou say that like modern buildings and cities are intelligently laid out>>567614687>terrible content>blightFuck up pleb
